Season 3, Episode 4: Rich Hill, Global Head of Real Estate Strategy at Principal Asset Management, joins the show for a candid deep dive into the state of CRE in 2025, from CMBS and construction lending to the hype around AI data centers.
With over $100B in real estate under management, Rich explains why office isn’t dead, where multifamily pricing is off, and how investors are recalibrating their return expectations.
We discuss:
– Why debt is suddenly back in favor
– What’s fueling (and threatening) the data center boom
– Where office sentiment is quietly shifting
– The truth behind the “housing shortage” narrative
Rich brings clarity to the chaos, offering a rare look at how one of the industry’s largest real estate platforms is navigating 2025.
TOPICS
00:00 – Intro & Birthday Surprise
03:00 – Rich’s Career Path + Joining Principal
06:00 – How Principal Allocates Capital in Today’s Market
10:30 – Debt, Construction Lending, and CMBS Strategy
15:40 – Data Centers, AI Demand, and Market Caution
22:30 – Office Outlook and Why Originations Are Ticking Up
28:00 – Living Strategies, Seniors Housing, and Multifamily Mispricing
33:50 – US vs. Europe: Capital Sentiment and Cross-Border Strategy
39:20 – Tariffs, Onshoring, and Resilient Cash Flows
43:00 – Return Expectations for CRE in 2025 and Beyond
47:00 – Final Thoughts on Alternatives and Outlook
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