September 5, 2024 • 57 mins
Hola, Piloncillos! Hello to everyone catching this on the feed. We're excited to have you join us for a great plática today. Our special guest, Maricela Rosales, will be diving into the topic of embodying your work and how to prevent burnout.
Maricela, a first-gen Latina Chicana from Los Angeles, is a licensed clinical social worker, therapist, coach, and Reiki master. She shares her journey and the importance of reconnecting with nature and cultural wellness practices. During the pandemic, she transitioned to virtual offerings, allowing her to reach a broader audience.
In this episode, Maricela explains the concept of somatic practices, emphasizing the need to integrate the entire being—mind, body, energy, and spirit. We explore the challenges faced by practitioners, the importance of self-care, and the pitfalls of constant consumption without true embodiment.
Join us as we discuss practical steps to connect with your soma, the significance of being present, and how to prevent burnout by truly embodying your work. This episode is a must-listen for anyone in the healing arts or those seeking a more fulfilling and sustainable practice.
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Hola, filoncillos! Hello to everyone that is catching this on the feed.
Happy that you're all joining us here today. We have a great plática organized here for you.
We're going to have Maricela Rosales join us here in a moment,
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and we're going to be really diving into the
topic of embodying your work and how
to prevent burnout and so I'm excited I'm
excited for you all to be here so hope
that you're all doing well let us know in the comments where you are joining
us from can you hear me also by the way hi hi como estas bien bien how are you
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I'm good I'm excited Yeah, me too.
Well so here we have Maricela Rosales
just joined us would you mind giving us a
little bit more information about yourself what you do what your work is about
and also what you're doing for yourself yeah so I'm Maricela Rosales I'm a first
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gen Latina Chicana from Los Angeles California still at
live out here in the Los Angeles area.
I'm in Whittier, practicing in Whittier too.
And I'm professionally, I'm a licensed clinical social worker.
So I'm a licensed therapist and coach, a Reiki master.
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I'm just interested in all things that are like nature and, you know,
reconnecting to like all of the cultural ways of like just bringing wellness into our lives.
Since a pandemic, I've been working remotely, so all of my offers are virtual,
which is nice because I can reach a lot more people.
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For therapy, it's across California, so it doesn't matter where you are.
All the other offerings came to be because with therapy, I can only see people in California.
So with the other offerings, you can be anywhere.
One of the primary ways that I practice comes from finding what I needed to
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heal my anxiety, especially during the pandemic.
So things that I do for me is a lot of working with my body.
So whether that's walking barefoot on the grass, like every morning or being
in the sun, nature walks, but also the somatic practices that I teach my clients,
they're the things I do every single day.
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So moving my body breathing all of
that all of those things so thank you
so much for sharing would you mind expanding a little
bit on the the word in somatic so i think yeah there might be something about
here i don't know yeah or unfamiliar yeah and it's a word i think that's really
popular right now that we are hearing a lot but yeah that's true we may not
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know so the word soma means the living organism.
We tend to hear somatic or soma and think it just means body,
but it actually means the entire organism in its living form.
So it's not just your body. It's also your mind. Your mind is part of your body, right?
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Your mind, your body, your energy, your spirit
it's all of you put together so
somatic work or somatic practices or anything that's
going to bring you back into bringing the entire being of who you are your vessel
back to life feeling alive yeah that's beautiful that's i i didn't know that
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that's what it was referring to specifically the organism which is lovely i
think we forget that we really are our organisms,
we're so disconnected from the,
I guess, even our own lives or the animal body that, you know,
animal body that we all have.
So I think that's great work.
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Let's dive into our topic today because we have, I mean, just we,
for those watching, we met previously and sort of had a little bit of a discussion
what we're going to talk about.
And so this topic really took hold of our conversation. So we have a lot to say.
So I'm excited to dive into this.
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Would you like to, I guess, give
a little bit of a teaser or an
idea of how we even arrived at this topic or why
you think this this topic is important or diving
in even into the word of embodied and what that means
because we're going to be talking a lot about embodiment today and I guess even
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I addressing the people to whom this conversation is pertinent for you know
we have a number of different people on here today and so yeah I want to express
that this how this can be connected. Yes.
And I think when we met, we initially said, let's talk about how we can help
people come back into their bodies.
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And then just even that statement threw us in like 500 different ways, right?
Like, what does that even mean to be in your body?
And I think what we started talking about was just the language that,
and you and I have talked about this a lot, like that psycho speak,
or I don't know how to say it, right?
But these terms, like even somatic, right?
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These terms that are thrown out there and used so much, but we may not necessarily
know exactly what it means.
And then maybe we're like learning things or doing things, but it's not real
deep because we don't have a full understanding of exactly what it is that we're doing, right?
So I think this came from, how do we support those who are supporting others in healing?
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So that they can take care of themselves. They're in their bodies,
but how, like it goes connected, right?
Like how the healer or holder of space, how well they're connected to the medicine
and how they're taking care of themselves is only going to influence how well
they can help someone else.
And if you're the one on the healing side, because I imagine not everybody here
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is a therapist or some type of holder of space, you can be both, right?
So then on the side of receiving also, how embodied, how connected are you?
So maybe if we start with embodiment, you hear that term a lot.
I think one thing I see is missing, like think of the word embodiment and has the word body in there.
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So if you're doing anything and the body is not part of it, it's not even close
to embodiment. Exactly.
So the body is part of it. And let me just read to you just from some of my
studies and the definition that I was given of embodiment is living inside the aliveness of our soma.
You can say it one more time. Yeah, and parime is living inside the aliveness of our soma.
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And remember, soma is your full vessel.
So living inside the aliveness. So that means you can't just go to the workshop or the TikTok.
We talked about this, right? Like, where are people getting info from?
It can't just be the workshop, the book, the podcast, the TikTok person.
And I read it. I have my notes and it's up here.
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Your soma is not just your mind. It's not just consuming through a book or hearing
the podcast or going to the workshop.
It really has to be in all of you.
So embodiment would be that there's this awareness.
It's part of what you're doing. So I can't just learn, right?
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I imagine, I don't want to take swimming lessons from someone who doesn't know how to swim.
Right? But they read all the books and watched all the videos.
Or to learn how to cook from someone that has never been in the kitchen. It's practice.
You know, it's a practice. And we throw around that word too,
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you know, the, oh, our practice.
This is our practice. But are you really practicing?
Are you practicing this in your real life? I think sometimes people,
you know, when sort of when you put on your healer's hat, your therapist hat,
whatever hat that is, like that's the only time that you practice it.
You know, you whatever your tools, your modalities are.
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But, you know, I think once people take off that hat, it's it all goes out the window.
So then we can explore truly how deep is that practice?
If I only think about whatever, whatever the tool is, only when I have that
customer in front of me. Yeah.
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Would you say embodiment is like a, is, is taking practice a step further?
Yes. So it has to be again, so that it's, it's, it's part of who you are.
So if I think of like the work that I do, I'm helping people become somebody different.
Whether it's therapy or coaching, I'm helping them become somebody different.
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It isn't sufficient to say, I have this goal.
I'm going to be an entrepreneur and start my business.
And then I have these three steps, right? Or I'm going to be healed.
I'm not going to be, you know, bothered by this family member anymore.
There's things that you actually have to do so that things change.
We can't just say it, right? So the practice has to be deeper.
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It really is about how am I bringing this into my day-to-day life?
How am I becoming that healer, that therapist?
Like, what does it mean? What does it feel like? How do you move? How do you speak?
How are you actually guiding others? others.
Yeah, I think, I think this is, you know, one of the, one of the things that
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came up in our conversation was that these are the things that you're not told
in grad school, in your training, you know, how does one approach this now,
you know, and how do we remove the shame, you know, out of it,
you know, and then taking that accountability,
you know, really being able to look at ourselves and be like,
okay, you know, actually I'm not embodying this practice, you know,
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I'm not, why am I struggling with this thing that I'm trying to help my clients through?
There's that common phrase, I give great advice, but don't follow my own advice.
How do we, I guess, address it now, whatever level you are in your practice
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and not feel shame about it?
Because at this point in time, pues ya llegamos.
We're here. So what are we going to do about it? So how do we bring it home?
And I think a big part of this, if we look at, so that nobody feels,
so we're not going to blame the person and that you don't feel self-blame.
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I think we have to pull that lens out to really look at systems.
Because if we just think of like just therapy, if we think of the systems of
mental health, they are so broken and we are pushed to practice a certain way.
Okay and so you might be
working for an agency that bombards you
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with work and they just keep piling
it on with no regard to you
as a human how are you doing what support do you need because healing work is
hard you are holding space for people's pain people's trauma like there's no
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way that's not going to affect you, right?
So if there's no room for the individual, we as new therapists,
we are just doing what we're taught.
So we're not taught to take care of ourselves. We're not taught to be in our bodies.
We're taught to learn the modality and then go out there and crank out your sessions.
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So from the very beginning, beginning, we're taught to disconnect from ourselves
in the name of we're helping the community, right?
So yeah, we can't blame ourselves. Like we're just following the pattern that's set there for us.
But I think, you know, for those who are curious or who are like,
I'm tired, this isn't working.
It's a really good place to pause and think about what do I need?
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What do I need so that this work can feel fulfilling and sustainable?
And I can actually be a good, healthy guide for the person who's sitting across from you.
I think that's beautiful. I think it's a beautiful place to be.
It's unfortunate that the system, especially when we're talking about more structured
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systems like therapy and those paths,
it's unfortunate that there isn't that support really there or that push push
to take care of the self isn't there.
But I do think it's important and to, I guess, celebrate or acknowledge,
you know, that you're able to come to a point and realize, okay,
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like, I need to do something for myself.
I think the next avenue here, because I, in my practice, I have encountered
a number of different people where like, okay, like I need, I need to, this isn't working.
And, and they're almost at a place where they want to throw the whole, the whole thing out.
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You know, what does it mean? Throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Me and my, my, I always get them wrong anyway, the powders, but you know what I mean?
But they want to throw the baby out and it's valuable. I think all our education,
you know, all the paths that we take are valuable.
And it's not about throwing the whole thing out. So people are now finding themselves
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at a crossroads of, okay, this isn't working.
So what do I do now? So they're seeking outside modalities, now moving into
the spiritual spheres, you know, or reconnecting with the cultural aspects or
looking for a more holistic approach.
But I do think there's so much that gets lost in, in what is currently available.
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It's like a giant, a cheese plate, a cheese plate of like different potentials.
I wanted to say a smoker's, I can't even say it.
So I'm just not gonna try it. yeah that's it that's it it's a smoker whatever
of things that's why i went with cheese plate different options.
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Of different options and so and
i think that's when people are just piling things onto their plate i think we
started to talk about this topic too they're piling these things onto their
plate and and they're taking bits and pieces but they're not fully embodying
that work either so they're they're consuming things and they're back to square
one because when they're like, oh, how come it's not working?
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That's not the issue. The issue isn't necessarily the modality or the path that
you're taking, but whether you're really embodying that work or,
you know, what, how do you feel about that?
Yeah, absolutely. Because it's just same problem, but just a different scenery, right?
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So, yeah, it's not necessarily about the modality. It's more about, am I connected?
Again, it comes back to my, in my body, right?
Can I be in my body? Can I notice when I'm feeling exhausted or overwhelmed?
Can I notice when I'm getting triggered?
Because whoever I'm sitting across, their situation is triggering memories of my own.
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Right? Because that can happen. That's going to happen. Whatever is happening,
are you fully in your body so
that you can notice what's happening so that you're tending to that too?
So it's not just let me keep reading the books and we keep getting more certifications.
Let me also yeah let me learn let me
develop those skills but also simultaneously how am
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I tending to me so I can continue doing
the work and that's the hard part and that's the
piece that I think we need more support around yeah right I I think it's it's
it's beautiful that we can connect with individuals and really use our empathy
and and connect with each other's hearts You know, but I think that's when the work gets heavy,
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because how I think a lot of people don't know how to, I guess,
put that inner boundary and still make that connection, but not bring that home with you.
And I mean, the main topic of this conversation is how do we prevent that burnout?
Because if you're constantly, you know, you're in it, you're in the trenches
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with an individual and, you know, you're you're connecting a heart to heart conversation.
And how do you disconnect? I think a lot of people struggle,
struggle with that and not taking that that home. Yeah.
And that's a whole other, like, that's a whole other platica, right?
But those are the skills that we have to learn.
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It's not just therapy. Because I hear this stuff from, you know,
my clientele is so diverse.
It could be somebody who's doing limpias and who feels overwhelmed.
But there's, because there's pieces missing. So, again, it doesn't matter what you're learning.
It could be anything. We could even pull it out of, you know, the healing arts.
But so if you're just learning the thing and then
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you're jumping into like now i'm offering this thing
but there's disconnection it's going it's
going to disrupt what's happening for you it doesn't matter what
it is right so it could be the limpias and you
might feel like well that's kind of detached i'm just
you know using smoke but there's a whole there's
a whole like you can't just learn that by watching the
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tiktok right and so there there's
things that you have to do so that energetically you
are okay while you are like moving big
stuff from however many people you're serving it could be your tarot it could
be whatever right so it again it's going to come back to like how are you tending
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to you and how much are you in your body and this is hard most Most of society,
while making big assumptions,
everybody I see is disconnected from their body.
Otherwise, I wouldn't have a job, right? That's who comes to me.
And that was me too. We're taught to be in our head and to hustle.
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And there's no room then to notice the butterflies in your stomach or that your
heart's beating fast and pause to wonder, what is my body communicating?
I have to just keep going. And so we get into this habit of being in like,
that's your embodiment.
To be disconnected and be in your head, right?
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So it's a whole lot of work to come back to, can I be here? Can I slow down?
I think too, when you even just hear it and go, it's a whole lot of work.
You know, I think that might, we talked about using these different modalities
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to like, to avoid real emotional work, right?
Right. And the idea of embodiment, returning back to the body is hard.
Like you're saying, it is hard work. But how do we encourage individuals to make that step?
You know, I think first becoming conscious of, yeah, actually,
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I do need to start to embody this more.
You know, I am having issues with the salmodeo cracking or the,
you know, the tarot or, you know, the this therapy session is really making
a toll on me, you know, or even coming to the acknowledgement that when we ask ourselves,
who are we? Where are we?
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Most people will tell you like, oh, where's my soul? My soul is up here.
You know, where where are we really?
And it is disembodied. I think there's people give you all sorts of answers.
So I think one is coming to a place of just acknowledging like,
okay, this is something I need to work on without the shame,
because this is ultimately going to make you a better practitioner.
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You know, healer, whatever, whatever it is that you do.
And it's also going to help you live a more fulfilled life. You know,
that's ultimately what this is about, is that you're not here to sacrifice yourself
and your well-being and the hours of your precious life, you know,
to help someone else. We're not martyrs.
Yeah.
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So maybe you can begin with asking yourself, how do I want to feel?
And not letting your, because your brain is going to pop right in and say,
no, but it can't happen because this and this and this.
We're going to tell our mind right now in a second. We'll address that in a second.
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Right? And just letting yourself, don't let the obstacles pop in right away
because we're not problematic.
Themselves just you dreaming for a little moment how do i want to feel how do i want to be.
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And maybe take a breath there and exhale but really like really like to pause
and and give yourself that space to really think like how do i want to be because
i guarantee that a hundred 100% of the people who are here live and are going
to watch this recording,
no one is going to say, I want to feel frazzled, want to feel like I'm having
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a heart attack six days a week.
You know, like nobody's going to say that, but that's how, that's how we're functioning. Right.
And maybe that's the first place. I don't want to feel like this anymore.
I think there's a lot of people out there that have never known an alternative.
I've never known an alternative and have come into systems, family systems,
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the environment, the societal systems, where we know that this current reality
is so much about go, go, go, consume, consume, consume,
live to work.
So how do it's so hard to change the that mind frame when the rest of the world
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is very much on a contrary path to.
To what, what, where we're trying to be.
So maybe, and what I'm suggesting is you're not even changing the mind frame.
You're not changing jobs.
You're not, you know, uprooting your life. Cause we're moving that right there
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quickly, how quickly we move to the future and problem solving, right.
To simply just right now, acknowledge for yourself how you want to feel.
And if it's, I have no idea because all I know is being frazzled.
Then you can even say, I don't want to feel frazzled.
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Because again, our mind is going to take us to problem solve and all of us are
going to have a thousand reasons why it can't happen.
And so then we stop there, right?
Now, is being in your body going to change society?
No. But what I'm suggesting is that if you're connected to your body,
at least you're going to be able to eventually notice things
like i have to pee and i'm
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gonna go pee yeah right being
hungry being cold the yeah the basics right
because as as like maybe
it sounds dumb or i don't know but these are real things
that help people i like people come to me and these are things i'm helping them
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with because there is no sense sometimes of i contend to myself right right
so yeah i have clients who do not drink water all day long so they don't have to pee,
Or they don't eat all day long, right? Like it's there and we can see it superficially,
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but really there's like some deeper shit happening there.
Like it's not, but I think, you know, even just noticing our body so that we can pause for a moment.
So yeah, I'm not, I don't want to make this about like, you're going to suddenly
be doing the bubble baths and, you know, like that, that is not the route I go.
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Because that's not reality right but
the reality might be i need a sip of water and can
i do that without feeling guilty for pausing for
30 seconds and those are important things they are important foundational like
how can you expect to feel at peace or you know not frazzled you know if your Your basic, basic,
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basic needs aren't aren't being met.
You know, I also encounter, you know, people that aren't in the body or have
that issue or don't even know what they want.
Like the idea of a desire is so foreign to them because they've just gone through
life being unable to to make those choices.
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And they often struggle with this, with, you know, not giving themselves water,
you know, not being able to listen to their, to their basic, to their basic needs.
It's, it's, it's so foundational. Yeah.
And so the deeper work here, kind of going back to one of the earlier questions,
the deeper work here is it would be very superficial or very surface level if we simply think,
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well, learn that somatic practice, those exercises, or do the meditation,
or yeah, I'm going to start drinking more water.
That's very surface level, it's not really addressing probably there's trauma
there and there's deeper stuff there, right?
That makes it inaccessible to even fathom the idea that it's okay to have needs, right?
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So, you know, there's so many levels here.
And I think that's where it can get lost if we feel like, oh yeah,
I heard this one thing helps and I'm just going to do the thing,
but we're doing it on a very topical level. That's why it doesn't work.
Right. I think there's definitely a connection between,
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I feel that a lot of people that go into healing modalities often come from
a past where there's trauma or there's, you know, that need to want to help
others is born from somewhere.
Not only that, but there's also that post-secondary trauma.
I think in regards to this conversation, we're talking about individuals and practitioners,
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preventing that workout or embodying their work, you know, but now they have
these other barriers, you know, or maybe they themselves can't listen to those
basic signals because of their own personal stuff.
So this is also about addressing that, you know, being a practitioner with that
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integrity to do our own personal work before asking that of others. Mm-hmm.
Yeah, because, again, you think about how well can you guide somebody if you
don't know the modality well, if you're not practicing it so much that it's a practice of your own.
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And then, again, that consuming of information can feel good.
Good like you said right if you went
into therapy let's say because of your
own history it's going to feel really good to learn all
these things because you're making sense of oh that's why
right it feels good but
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it can if it if it only stays there now
it just becomes a way to avoid doing your
own work and it looks pretty because
you've got all these certifications meditations right this
can also be on you know the consumer side that
going from thing to
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thing to thing like i'm journaling and
i do the meditation and i go to the yoga and i go to the sound bowl and i go
like i'm going to all the things but i'm not fully present and i'm not fully
like connecting deeply that embodiment work it's just a really pretty way of
avoiding you're avoiding through just keeping busy. Yes.
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Let's tackle that one. I think that that's going to hit home for a lot of people.
I think before we jump into this, I just want to read out some of these comments
because they're really great comments.
And if anybody has any questions or anything that you want to add to the conversation, please do.
Ancestor, our podcast says, this is such truth and I'm so happy that this conversation
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is happening, gracias and he says gracias for having this plática,
thank you for being here we have the millennial matriarch she says snap, so she's snapping.
Sochil says, so beautiful. A drink of water is a 30-second pause for me.
And Ancestor Hour just really loves this conversation. Cara the Bar says, so true.
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So thank you all for the positive feedback. We're so happy that you're here
and that this is connecting with you.
All right. I'm going to – the question – we were talking about the constant consumption.
So we did prepare some questions to sort of guide our conversation.
But it's flowed very organically. So I'm very, very happy about that.
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So the question here was, how can practitioners stay true to their path without
succumbing to the pressures of constant consumption and superficial integration?
And can we also expand on what superficial integration could look like and what
this constant consumption could look like, which you kind of touched upon?
Yeah. So the constant consumption, you know, we use the word consumption just
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because it just fits with where we are as a society, right?
And that can look like going to the conference,
attending the workshops, and then expanding it more into like,
you're listening to all the podcasts, you're on all the TikToks,
you're following all the people on, you know, whatever, YouTube,
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Instagram, and you're just like taking in all this info, the circulos,
the, you know, like you name it taking in taking in taking it which is awesome right we want to learn.
But again, if it just stays there, it's just consumption.
And if you're somebody who wants to or is sharing your wisdom,
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your tools, your medicine, you can look at it this way, too.
Are you hoarding all this wisdom and knowledge and your own skills and medicine, right?
That's a whole different topic. Yeah. Right.
So we can just kind of see like I'm on my phone all the time.
I'm I and I think we can tell ourselves I'm learning, I'm growing, I'm learning.
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Right. I'm taking in all this info. But what are you doing with the info once
once you're bringing that in? Right.
We've got to do something with it. It sounds heavy, to be honest.
You know, thinking about, you know, if here you are, this nucleus and you're attracting.
You know, you're consuming all of this and you just become, I don't know,
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like, how are you channeling?
Yeah, someone said boom, you know, like, how is this going to come out?
You know, there needs to be a channel, like one thing. Yeah.
And I think, you know, a curious question would be, where is this coming from for me?
Why do I feel like I have to take one more course, one more whatever, right? Right.
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I can answer personally for me has like one thing that I have worked on for
many years is self-doubt, finding my own courage. Right.
And or I would feel like, no, I still don't know enough.
And I'm comparing myself to all these other people. I don't know as much as
her. I'm not going to sound like her.
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And so then let me take another course. Let me read another book.
And it really was coming from my own lack of courage.
And believing in myself that I know enough, and I can actually speak about this,
or, or share it with a client.
So let me take in more, let me take in more, right? So I think checking ourselves
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to where is it coming from?
What's making me believe I need more info?
Okay, let's take that and bring it to the other side, where it's a person who
just takes one course, you know, or one one class or reads one book and is like,
OK, you know, I read this book and now now I'm ready to offer it to you all.
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And part of what we talked about, it was having that integrity or that responsibility,
you know, to the craft, you know, truly embodying the work.
This is like full circle, embodying the work before offering it to others,
because even even going to grad school or even going to school like is that
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I guess where when is it enough,
Hmm.
That's a good question. But yes, that's the full other side, right?
You showed up in one workshop, and now you turn around and duplicate it.
And you're not how you're offering the thing, but you don't know what you're doing.
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So that's not good either. Because how are you truly again, you know,
with the healing arts that we're looking at, I think the piece that we really
have to connect to is just how sacred the work is.
And I don't even mean it in a spiritual way, but the responsibility of being
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across from somebody who's in a very vulnerable place and who is looking for
guidance, who's in pain,
who can't, you know, you think of when you're really depressed or suicidal or
so anxious or whatever's happening, you are not in that mindset set to maybe
think super, super clearly.
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You know, you need help and you are turning to someone that you trust,
whether you just met them, right? It's your first time working with a person.
You're turning to someone with so much trust that they're going to guide you
in a way that is going to help you.
That's a huge responsibility.
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And we've got to remind ourselves of that it, and again, not just therapy because,
You know, I have to undo a lot of stuff in my sessions, even in coaching.
People coming in, tell me some horror stories about Reiki sessions,
BIMPYAS, tarot, therapy, coaching, you name it.
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Because this happens.
One TikTok does not equal. You are now skilled enough to share this thing.
And people do that right
so like what is it ego you're like
have such a big desire to to put yourself
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out there but i think that integrity is let me
learn enough so then with respect
with care i can
share this thing yeah i
think it's such a it's such a fine line especially
nowadays of days because information is so widely
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available and you know that
I think that sometimes some of
the more traditional routes that I feel like people feel pressured by not being
able to dedicate as much time or energy and certain things do certain things
still require the same amount of energy that it did like 50 years ago you know
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back when you would do the apprenticeship you would learn
for 20 years and then be able to offer it.
You know, I think the world is moving at such a fast pace where.
Like that it should be faster. And I think to a certain degree,
things can be faster because of the tools and the avenues in which we can learn
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are a lot more streamlined nowadays.
However, it doesn't detract from the idea that you still need to put something into practice.
And that if you can't take that course or that training or that whatever it
is modality that you fell in love with that you would like to offer and take
it home and really practice it before
and really embody it before you even attempt to give it out to others.
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I think that's just like the bare minimum that one should do.
I do think that there are ways in which people can practice these things on
their own and learn on their own, but there does need to be some sort of,
criteria at least you know a standard where you
know then you're able to offer it to someone else because the damage that one
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can cause is it can be irreparable or a lot of work to undo so how do you know
i think we got to do better and hold ourselves personally accountable and.
It's hard because we i think we've all bared witness to this where you know
we have people come into our practices and next thing you know,
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they're offering the same thing, you know, but repackaged or not even repackaged.
Sometimes it's really, really blatant and, and, and that's tough,
you know, and that's, that's the world that we're living in right now.
We have some, we have some, some comments, so I don't know if you want to respond
to that and then go into the comments or vice versa. Yes.
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I think, you know, it's a complicated, there's no one answer or like, just do this thing.
Right. Because I think it's finding that, that middle ground of,
I'm not so terrified that I'm taking, you know, forever to share something because
I don't want to mess it up or I don't feel secure and definitely don't want
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to go the other route of like, right.
So like for anybody watching me here, like there's so much love being poured
into this plática right now, right?
Like I'm sending love to everybody watching and everybody who's going to watch, holding space for you.
But also, you know, if you want to learn that you can contact either one of
us about how you can work with us versus taking the tidbits here and now making it something, right?
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And maybe some of the work there, again, is about kind of checking ourselves,
like what is making me feel that I need to run with this one thing I heard or
this one thing I learned what
is the urgency because it feels that way like there's an urgency of oh I watched
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this thing now let me turn around right but what is the urgency for you where
is the pressure coming from.
And I bet I was gonna say if we go back to the body aspect you know even now
just like Like, you know, just taking that breath and, like,
oh, bringing it back to the body and realizing there isn't pressure.
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You know, there is no, I think people feel that the time is running out.
You know, there isn't enough time to do something.
You know, it's that frazzled energy we talked about earlier.
And we want to do it. We want it now. We want to do it now. Right. So how do we slow down?
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Oh, here we have, we have a big comment.
Let me, let me get back to these comments. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Thank you, everyone. We love that this is so engaging.
So I am Daniela says, I think it's about deepening into la medicina.
And then she says, yes, sacred. She likes that you mentioned that word,
the dark side of the industry, the millennial matriarch says,
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I am Daniela says, thank you.
Mariposa Monarca says, we call that roba altares.
Roba altares. When you take one plática or class, then they turn around and sell it.
Roba altares. Wow.
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Daniela says, consumerism. And then we have El Machetero says,
tapping into the indigenous perspective of a day of
a day one is born could ideally situate the
idea of one's true calling in life versus led by
an emotional desire to be a healer yeah
i think that's an interesting comment because there's such
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an appeal and it's the idea of
being a healer or a helper a curandera a
therapist you know the feathers the drums
you know it's so glamorized and
it looks so you know it looks beautiful sure
you know but it's there's so
much more that that goes into it and I
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think people don't see that but how can
they if we spend all our time like social media
you know it's it's a double-edged sword and if
there is in that kind of again it's going to come back to how
connected are you to yourself so that you
can answer for you why am I wanting to do this why am I being called to this
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just because it's the cool thing right now then again it's at a superficial
level right there's a disconnection versus something deeper and that's the personal work.
Yeah absolutely i think i think and machetero like hit the nail on the head
you know with and he's i think he's making reference to the tonali and being tapped into our,
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ourselves you know our true selves before before
all the programming you know before I think
that's why inner inner child work is so so important but
I don't I think those things could really branch off into other like deep latikas
but I hope that this won't be the the last you know I've really enjoyed this
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I think that we're running near the end so I think let's let's bring this home and,
and I guess give people a,
I guess steps, you know, what can they do now? Like now that they can.
Acknowledge you know or see these parts or you
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know or they're coming face to face with this in their own lives you
know what are some things that they can do to start their embodiment
journey or how can they connect with the soma
you know the somatic side of things you know what what steps can they do there's
probably a lot of steps let's make it yeah let's to begin let's make it What
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are some accessible things that people can do?
Obviously, connect with you, healing with Maricela.
I'm going to make sure she's tagged when I put this on the feed.
But how can they start today? What's something that they can do today that can change their day today?
And I wonder if some of it is just taking time to get curious,
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getting curious with yourself, right? Right.
Like what questions maybe came up for you.
And if you, you know, if you are in the healing arts, maybe even kind of getting
curious about like, where am I on this journey?
Right. Where am I on this journey?
Am I feeling challenged in any way? And what are those challenges?
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Do I feel like I have clarity about why I'm doing this work?
Because that's going to help guide your next steps. Right. So maybe clarity
about where you are, where you're feeling challenged.
And I think the somatic piece, it comes more to the who am I and being with myself.
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Where am I in that journey? Where am I right now in connection to me?
Am I a being that lives only here?
That's it, right? Am I afraid of my body?
Is my body a place that doesn't feel safe
like you know there's so many ways to answer that but maybe
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just some self-reflection of where am
I in in relation to myself
and with no
there's no right there's no wrong it just
is and then maybe going back
to that one question of how do I
want to be how do I want to feel not
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jumping to solution of but it can't be done
because that's a different question right but because if if you can at least
identify and it includes I don't know beautiful if you don't know then that's
going to be your step one to try and figure out right.
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And that i feel like that feels good that feels like a good starting place it's
like you have to ask yourself the question first just to to bring it around for full circle,
In the asking, in, I guess, the being able to acknowledge where we are in this
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current moment, how can this help us prevent burnout?
I think a lot of times we think of burnout just as a lot of work being piled
on and we leave the body out of it, the soma, us, the likeness of our vessel.
And I think being able to figure out where we are can give you then a question to look at what you need.
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What do I need so I don't burn out? Maybe you're already burnt out.
And really exploring because I think the first thing for all of us,
including me, when I felt burnt out, I went immediately to the workload,
how much work I had. But there's another layer too.
It's like how your body is feeling, how connected or disconnected you feel from the work, right?
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When it no longer matters, where you feel jaded, even being around people,
like there's so much that has already happened, right?
And so it's going to be so personal to respond to that, but to prevent burnout.
We need not only the balance of that workload,
what people are piling on us but there
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has to be connection back to you so that
you know what you're needing and you're noticing when you've
got to eat when you've got to rest when you just need
time out in nature to decompress when you
need joy when you need pleasure right so
there's so many layers there too but i'm
just gonna tie it all back to you gotta be in your body yeah and
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be connected it's true yeah it's
it's foundational we have one last question here from el machetero he says any
book recommendations as well for those who appreciate the cerebral aspect of
a healing journey i was gonna suggest the body keeps the score but i don't know if you if you
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recommend that book or not because it's a fun it's a really it's a really good
book that does give you know a lot of insight into how trauma impacts the body
and like stressful experiences so that yeah it's a really good book.
Next time I need to think of some good books
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that are written by people of color because I think that's like
my mission right now when we think of somatic practice
the first name or nervous
system the first names that come to mind are like
this author for this book right sorry for
suggesting yeah no no it's a good book it's on
my bookshelf too but then it just reminded me like oh
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let's expand that too how do we bring in some
authors also of color who are
doing the same work so that we can expand that right but
yeah that's a really good book I think that's a really nice place you read in
Makititero's mind he says that he read that and he says any recommendations
from an indigenous perspective you said it so he's like yes yeah and and part
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of this is you know And I think I had shared with you,
I had this idea a few weeks ago of thinking,
where are my teachers that are, you know, nervous systems, somatic teachers
that are women of color, men of color too, but women of color, right?
And there are none. and so the idea popped in because I thought we I need to
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find her and then I don't remember if it was in a dream or something exactly
I think it was in a dream what I heard is you are her.
So I don't know if I am or not but you know I'm going to take that message of
we also need to find our people because this medicine is does not belong to
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that doctor who is not indigenous indigenous,
but that's the name that's going to pop up when you do your research.
This medicine, working with the body, the spirit, the energy,
this is indigenous medicine, but that's not whose names are popping up.
We don't have the names, right? We don't have the book.
And so I think some of this... It's oral tradition, absolutely. Yeah.
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Some of this is bringing it back to, that's why that connection to self is not
coming from a book. Right.
You are the vessel you are the medicine
you are the secret sauce we just need someone
to guide us back and it doesn't have
to be through the traditional routes right
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absolutely i you
know el machetero he's mentioning
that the mascali is a blessing and rejuvenation and
burnout being community as well as
the body absolutely there's a lot of indigenous modalities
that you know even just sitting in a circle the idea of sitting in the circle
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having you know your your your body making that contact with the earth you know
there's there's dansa but those aren't the only answers is you getting yourself
out there you laying in the dirt you connecting with nature or, you know,
being present without your AirPods or,
you know, your phone,
you know, even we go out there and you're like, oh, this is so beautiful. Let me take a picture.
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And, you know, for us, some content creators out here like us,
sometimes we have to, you know, but do we really have to?
So being able to enjoy that and truly just be in the moment.
Oh, so it's going to be presence with, can you still hear me? Yes, yes, yes. Yeah.
Presence with yourself, right? Presence with nature.
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Someone asked me, I think like three clients asked me this yesterday in sessions,
like how do I get my brain to, they wanted some cognitive answer to what we
were talking about being in the body.
And I told them all like, what do I do with my brain when I'm trying to notice my body? I think it was.
And what I said is don't think, don't think.
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Just feel that's some people
don't think just feel so
maybe that's something you can try if you're going
to go for a walk don't pull your phone out just just
feel with your eyes with your ears right your feet on the ground lay on the
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grass all of you got your medicine yes i mean for the record i don't always
take pictures everything but i mentioned yeah Yeah. No, but we do.
Yeah, but we do. And it's, you know, I think that's also part of our, our role in our job.
And if we didn't do those things, you know, would we be sitting here having this conversation?
So there's a time and a place, you know, but we have to practice,
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you know, I see it all the time going on hikes, and there's people with their
radios on and I'm just like, it's defeating the purpose.
You know, someone, last thing, last thing, someone mentioned The Four Agreements
by Don Miguel Ruiz as a potential book.
Wouldn't say necessarily it's about the body but it
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it mentions the body as one of the pillars yeah i mean i'm gonna give you all
a loving little assignment instead of listening to your brain who is right now
urgently saying give me a book to read.
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What if you could very
lovingly tell your brain we're going to try something
different we're not going to
read a book we're not going to listen to another podcast we're
not going to go on tiktok we are just going
to let ourselves feel and go
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outside and either feel the sun on your skin or take
your shoes off and feel the grass the dirt
whatever is accessible to you anything like
use your senses and just see what that's like because
the things that you're wanting to learn through the book your body
is the better teacher it's so
true yeah the book is going to keep you.
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Here she told you who she told you
so we all have some homework we all
have some homework myself included so thank you
so so much for this beautiful conversation for
your time your energy your your wisdom and
people are saying good medicine gracias and when
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you do the dishes do the dishes yeah because
they're saying amazing conversation you did
this so thank you i'm so
come on again sometime and we can yeah we can
talk something else so people are saying they're going to go outside this
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evening they're saying thank you so yes and drink
some water i hear it's going to be really hot out there especially out where
you are so yeah stay stay cool and i'll be posting this on the feed and remember
everybody if you love this conversation like i know you did Give Healing with Maricela a follow.
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Check out her work. Sign up for her workshops.
She does wonderful work.
There's a reason, you know, I hope that she would be glad.
Thank you. So thank you. Thank you. Have a good day. Bye, piloncillos.
Hola, filoncillos! Hello to everyone that is catching this on the feed.
Happy that you're all joining us here today. We have a great plática organized here for you.
We're going to have Maricela Rosales join us here in a moment,
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and we're going to be really diving into the
topic of embodying your work and how
to prevent burnout and so I'm excited I'm
excited for you all to be here so hope
that you're all doing well let us know in the comments where you are joining
us from can you hear me also by the way hi hi como estas bien bien how are you
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I'm good I'm excited Yeah, me too.
Well so here we have Maricela Rosales
just joined us would you mind giving us a
little bit more information about yourself what you do what your work is about
and also what you're doing for yourself yeah so I'm Maricela Rosales I'm a first
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gen Latina Chicana from Los Angeles California still at
live out here in the Los Angeles area.
I'm in Whittier, practicing in Whittier too.
And I'm professionally, I'm a licensed clinical social worker.
So I'm a licensed therapist and coach, a Reiki master.
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I'm just interested in all things that are like nature and, you know,
reconnecting to like all of the cultural ways of like just bringing wellness into our lives.
Since a pandemic, I've been working remotely, so all of my offers are virtual,
which is nice because I can reach a lot more people.
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For therapy, it's across California, so it doesn't matter where you are.
All the other offerings came to be because with therapy, I can only see people in California.
So with the other offerings, you can be anywhere.
One of the primary ways that I practice comes from finding what I needed to
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heal my anxiety, especially during the pandemic.
So things that I do for me is a lot of working with my body.
So whether that's walking barefoot on the grass, like every morning or being
in the sun, nature walks, but also the somatic practices that I teach my clients,
they're the things I do every single day.
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So moving my body breathing all of
that all of those things so thank you
so much for sharing would you mind expanding a little
bit on the the word in somatic so i think yeah there might be something about
here i don't know yeah or unfamiliar yeah and it's a word i think that's really
popular right now that we are hearing a lot but yeah that's true we may not
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know so the word soma means the living organism.
We tend to hear somatic or soma and think it just means body,
but it actually means the entire organism in its living form.
So it's not just your body. It's also your mind. Your mind is part of your body, right?
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Your mind, your body, your energy, your spirit
it's all of you put together so
somatic work or somatic practices or anything that's
going to bring you back into bringing the entire being of who you are your vessel
back to life feeling alive yeah that's beautiful that's i i didn't know that
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that's what it was referring to specifically the organism which is lovely i
think we forget that we really are our organisms,
we're so disconnected from the,
I guess, even our own lives or the animal body that, you know,
animal body that we all have.
So I think that's great work.
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Let's dive into our topic today because we have, I mean, just we,
for those watching, we met previously and sort of had a little bit of a discussion
what we're going to talk about.
And so this topic really took hold of our conversation. So we have a lot to say.
So I'm excited to dive into this.
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Would you like to, I guess, give
a little bit of a teaser or an
idea of how we even arrived at this topic or why
you think this this topic is important or diving
in even into the word of embodied and what that means
because we're going to be talking a lot about embodiment today and I guess even
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I addressing the people to whom this conversation is pertinent for you know
we have a number of different people on here today and so yeah I want to express
that this how this can be connected. Yes.
And I think when we met, we initially said, let's talk about how we can help
people come back into their bodies.
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And then just even that statement threw us in like 500 different ways, right?
Like, what does that even mean to be in your body?
And I think what we started talking about was just the language that,
and you and I have talked about this a lot, like that psycho speak,
or I don't know how to say it, right?
But these terms, like even somatic, right?
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These terms that are thrown out there and used so much, but we may not necessarily
know exactly what it means.
And then maybe we're like learning things or doing things, but it's not real
deep because we don't have a full understanding of exactly what it is that we're doing, right?
So I think this came from, how do we support those who are supporting others in healing?
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So that they can take care of themselves. They're in their bodies,
but how, like it goes connected, right?
Like how the healer or holder of space, how well they're connected to the medicine
and how they're taking care of themselves is only going to influence how well
they can help someone else.
And if you're the one on the healing side, because I imagine not everybody here
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is a therapist or some type of holder of space, you can be both, right?
So then on the side of receiving also, how embodied, how connected are you?
So maybe if we start with embodiment, you hear that term a lot.
I think one thing I see is missing, like think of the word embodiment and has the word body in there.
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So if you're doing anything and the body is not part of it, it's not even close
to embodiment. Exactly.
So the body is part of it. And let me just read to you just from some of my
studies and the definition that I was given of embodiment is living inside the aliveness of our soma.
You can say it one more time. Yeah, and parime is living inside the aliveness of our soma.
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And remember, soma is your full vessel.
So living inside the aliveness. So that means you can't just go to the workshop or the TikTok.
We talked about this, right? Like, where are people getting info from?
It can't just be the workshop, the book, the podcast, the TikTok person.
And I read it. I have my notes and it's up here.
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Your soma is not just your mind. It's not just consuming through a book or hearing
the podcast or going to the workshop.
It really has to be in all of you.
So embodiment would be that there's this awareness.
It's part of what you're doing. So I can't just learn, right?
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I imagine, I don't want to take swimming lessons from someone who doesn't know how to swim.
Right? But they read all the books and watched all the videos.
Or to learn how to cook from someone that has never been in the kitchen. It's practice.
You know, it's a practice. And we throw around that word too,
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you know, the, oh, our practice.
This is our practice. But are you really practicing?
Are you practicing this in your real life? I think sometimes people,
you know, when sort of when you put on your healer's hat, your therapist hat,
whatever hat that is, like that's the only time that you practice it.
You know, you whatever your tools, your modalities are.
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But, you know, I think once people take off that hat, it's it all goes out the window.
So then we can explore truly how deep is that practice?
If I only think about whatever, whatever the tool is, only when I have that
customer in front of me. Yeah.
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Would you say embodiment is like a, is, is taking practice a step further?
Yes. So it has to be again, so that it's, it's, it's part of who you are.
So if I think of like the work that I do, I'm helping people become somebody different.
Whether it's therapy or coaching, I'm helping them become somebody different.
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It isn't sufficient to say, I have this goal.
I'm going to be an entrepreneur and start my business.
And then I have these three steps, right? Or I'm going to be healed.
I'm not going to be, you know, bothered by this family member anymore.
There's things that you actually have to do so that things change.
We can't just say it, right? So the practice has to be deeper.
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It really is about how am I bringing this into my day-to-day life?
How am I becoming that healer, that therapist?
Like, what does it mean? What does it feel like? How do you move? How do you speak?
How are you actually guiding others? others.
Yeah, I think, I think this is, you know, one of the, one of the things that
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came up in our conversation was that these are the things that you're not told
in grad school, in your training, you know, how does one approach this now,
you know, and how do we remove the shame, you know, out of it,
you know, and then taking that accountability,
you know, really being able to look at ourselves and be like,
okay, you know, actually I'm not embodying this practice, you know,
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I'm not, why am I struggling with this thing that I'm trying to help my clients through?
There's that common phrase, I give great advice, but don't follow my own advice.
How do we, I guess, address it now, whatever level you are in your practice
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and not feel shame about it?
Because at this point in time, pues ya llegamos.
We're here. So what are we going to do about it? So how do we bring it home?
And I think a big part of this, if we look at, so that nobody feels,
so we're not going to blame the person and that you don't feel self-blame.
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I think we have to pull that lens out to really look at systems.
Because if we just think of like just therapy, if we think of the systems of
mental health, they are so broken and we are pushed to practice a certain way.
Okay and so you might be
working for an agency that bombards you
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with work and they just keep piling
it on with no regard to you
as a human how are you doing what support do you need because healing work is
hard you are holding space for people's pain people's trauma like there's no
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way that's not going to affect you, right?
So if there's no room for the individual, we as new therapists,
we are just doing what we're taught.
So we're not taught to take care of ourselves. We're not taught to be in our bodies.
We're taught to learn the modality and then go out there and crank out your sessions.
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So from the very beginning, beginning, we're taught to disconnect from ourselves
in the name of we're helping the community, right?
So yeah, we can't blame ourselves. Like we're just following the pattern that's set there for us.
But I think, you know, for those who are curious or who are like,
I'm tired, this isn't working.
It's a really good place to pause and think about what do I need?
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What do I need so that this work can feel fulfilling and sustainable?
And I can actually be a good, healthy guide for the person who's sitting across from you.
I think that's beautiful. I think it's a beautiful place to be.
It's unfortunate that the system, especially when we're talking about more structured
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systems like therapy and those paths,
it's unfortunate that there isn't that support really there or that push push
to take care of the self isn't there.
But I do think it's important and to, I guess, celebrate or acknowledge,
you know, that you're able to come to a point and realize, okay,
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like, I need to do something for myself.
I think the next avenue here, because I, in my practice, I have encountered
a number of different people where like, okay, like I need, I need to, this isn't working.
And, and they're almost at a place where they want to throw the whole, the whole thing out.
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You know, what does it mean? Throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Me and my, my, I always get them wrong anyway, the powders, but you know what I mean?
But they want to throw the baby out and it's valuable. I think all our education,
you know, all the paths that we take are valuable.
And it's not about throwing the whole thing out. So people are now finding themselves
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at a crossroads of, okay, this isn't working.
So what do I do now? So they're seeking outside modalities, now moving into
the spiritual spheres, you know, or reconnecting with the cultural aspects or
looking for a more holistic approach.
But I do think there's so much that gets lost in, in what is currently available.
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It's like a giant, a cheese plate, a cheese plate of like different potentials.
I wanted to say a smoker's, I can't even say it.
So I'm just not gonna try it. yeah that's it that's it it's a smoker whatever
of things that's why i went with cheese plate different options.
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Of different options and so and
i think that's when people are just piling things onto their plate i think we
started to talk about this topic too they're piling these things onto their
plate and and they're taking bits and pieces but they're not fully embodying
that work either so they're they're consuming things and they're back to square
one because when they're like, oh, how come it's not working?
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That's not the issue. The issue isn't necessarily the modality or the path that
you're taking, but whether you're really embodying that work or,
you know, what, how do you feel about that?
Yeah, absolutely. Because it's just same problem, but just a different scenery, right?
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So, yeah, it's not necessarily about the modality. It's more about, am I connected?
Again, it comes back to my, in my body, right?
Can I be in my body? Can I notice when I'm feeling exhausted or overwhelmed?
Can I notice when I'm getting triggered?
Because whoever I'm sitting across, their situation is triggering memories of my own.
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Right? Because that can happen. That's going to happen. Whatever is happening,
are you fully in your body so
that you can notice what's happening so that you're tending to that too?
So it's not just let me keep reading the books and we keep getting more certifications.
Let me also yeah let me learn let me
develop those skills but also simultaneously how am
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I tending to me so I can continue doing
the work and that's the hard part and that's the
piece that I think we need more support around yeah right I I think it's it's
it's beautiful that we can connect with individuals and really use our empathy
and and connect with each other's hearts You know, but I think that's when the work gets heavy,
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because how I think a lot of people don't know how to, I guess,
put that inner boundary and still make that connection, but not bring that home with you.
And I mean, the main topic of this conversation is how do we prevent that burnout?
Because if you're constantly, you know, you're in it, you're in the trenches
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with an individual and, you know, you're you're connecting a heart to heart conversation.
And how do you disconnect? I think a lot of people struggle,
struggle with that and not taking that that home. Yeah.
And that's a whole other, like, that's a whole other platica, right?
But those are the skills that we have to learn.
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It's not just therapy. Because I hear this stuff from, you know,
my clientele is so diverse.
It could be somebody who's doing limpias and who feels overwhelmed.
But there's, because there's pieces missing. So, again, it doesn't matter what you're learning.
It could be anything. We could even pull it out of, you know, the healing arts.
But so if you're just learning the thing and then
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you're jumping into like now i'm offering this thing
but there's disconnection it's going it's
going to disrupt what's happening for you it doesn't matter what
it is right so it could be the limpias and you
might feel like well that's kind of detached i'm just
you know using smoke but there's a whole there's
a whole like you can't just learn that by watching the
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tiktok right and so there there's
things that you have to do so that energetically you
are okay while you are like moving big
stuff from however many people you're serving it could be your tarot it could
be whatever right so it again it's going to come back to like how are you tending
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to you and how much are you in your body and this is hard most Most of society,
while making big assumptions,
everybody I see is disconnected from their body.
Otherwise, I wouldn't have a job, right? That's who comes to me.
And that was me too. We're taught to be in our head and to hustle.
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And there's no room then to notice the butterflies in your stomach or that your
heart's beating fast and pause to wonder, what is my body communicating?
I have to just keep going. And so we get into this habit of being in like,
that's your embodiment.
To be disconnected and be in your head, right?
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So it's a whole lot of work to come back to, can I be here? Can I slow down?
I think too, when you even just hear it and go, it's a whole lot of work.
You know, I think that might, we talked about using these different modalities
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to like, to avoid real emotional work, right?
Right. And the idea of embodiment, returning back to the body is hard.
Like you're saying, it is hard work. But how do we encourage individuals to make that step?
You know, I think first becoming conscious of, yeah, actually,
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I do need to start to embody this more.
You know, I am having issues with the salmodeo cracking or the,
you know, the tarot or, you know, the this therapy session is really making
a toll on me, you know, or even coming to the acknowledgement that when we ask ourselves,
who are we? Where are we?
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Most people will tell you like, oh, where's my soul? My soul is up here.
You know, where where are we really?
And it is disembodied. I think there's people give you all sorts of answers.
So I think one is coming to a place of just acknowledging like,
okay, this is something I need to work on without the shame,
because this is ultimately going to make you a better practitioner.
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You know, healer, whatever, whatever it is that you do.
And it's also going to help you live a more fulfilled life. You know,
that's ultimately what this is about, is that you're not here to sacrifice yourself
and your well-being and the hours of your precious life, you know,
to help someone else. We're not martyrs.
Yeah.
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So maybe you can begin with asking yourself, how do I want to feel?
And not letting your, because your brain is going to pop right in and say,
no, but it can't happen because this and this and this.
We're going to tell our mind right now in a second. We'll address that in a second.
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Right? And just letting yourself, don't let the obstacles pop in right away
because we're not problematic.
Themselves just you dreaming for a little moment how do i want to feel how do i want to be.
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And maybe take a breath there and exhale but really like really like to pause
and and give yourself that space to really think like how do i want to be because
i guarantee that a hundred 100% of the people who are here live and are going
to watch this recording,
no one is going to say, I want to feel frazzled, want to feel like I'm having
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a heart attack six days a week.
You know, like nobody's going to say that, but that's how, that's how we're functioning. Right.
And maybe that's the first place. I don't want to feel like this anymore.
I think there's a lot of people out there that have never known an alternative.
I've never known an alternative and have come into systems, family systems,
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the environment, the societal systems, where we know that this current reality
is so much about go, go, go, consume, consume, consume,
live to work.
So how do it's so hard to change the that mind frame when the rest of the world
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is very much on a contrary path to.
To what, what, where we're trying to be.
So maybe, and what I'm suggesting is you're not even changing the mind frame.
You're not changing jobs.
You're not, you know, uprooting your life. Cause we're moving that right there
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quickly, how quickly we move to the future and problem solving, right.
To simply just right now, acknowledge for yourself how you want to feel.
And if it's, I have no idea because all I know is being frazzled.
Then you can even say, I don't want to feel frazzled.
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Because again, our mind is going to take us to problem solve and all of us are
going to have a thousand reasons why it can't happen.
And so then we stop there, right?
Now, is being in your body going to change society?
No. But what I'm suggesting is that if you're connected to your body,
at least you're going to be able to eventually notice things
like i have to pee and i'm
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gonna go pee yeah right being
hungry being cold the yeah the basics right
because as as like maybe
it sounds dumb or i don't know but these are real things
that help people i like people come to me and these are things i'm helping them
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with because there is no sense sometimes of i contend to myself right right
so yeah i have clients who do not drink water all day long so they don't have to pee,
Or they don't eat all day long, right? Like it's there and we can see it superficially,
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but really there's like some deeper shit happening there.
Like it's not, but I think, you know, even just noticing our body so that we can pause for a moment.
So yeah, I'm not, I don't want to make this about like, you're going to suddenly
be doing the bubble baths and, you know, like that, that is not the route I go.
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Because that's not reality right but
the reality might be i need a sip of water and can
i do that without feeling guilty for pausing for
30 seconds and those are important things they are important foundational like
how can you expect to feel at peace or you know not frazzled you know if your Your basic, basic,
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basic needs aren't aren't being met.
You know, I also encounter, you know, people that aren't in the body or have
that issue or don't even know what they want.
Like the idea of a desire is so foreign to them because they've just gone through
life being unable to to make those choices.
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And they often struggle with this, with, you know, not giving themselves water,
you know, not being able to listen to their, to their basic, to their basic needs.
It's, it's, it's so foundational. Yeah.
And so the deeper work here, kind of going back to one of the earlier questions,
the deeper work here is it would be very superficial or very surface level if we simply think,
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well, learn that somatic practice, those exercises, or do the meditation,
or yeah, I'm going to start drinking more water.
That's very surface level, it's not really addressing probably there's trauma
there and there's deeper stuff there, right?
That makes it inaccessible to even fathom the idea that it's okay to have needs, right?
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So, you know, there's so many levels here.
And I think that's where it can get lost if we feel like, oh yeah,
I heard this one thing helps and I'm just going to do the thing,
but we're doing it on a very topical level. That's why it doesn't work.
Right. I think there's definitely a connection between,
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I feel that a lot of people that go into healing modalities often come from
a past where there's trauma or there's, you know, that need to want to help
others is born from somewhere.
Not only that, but there's also that post-secondary trauma.
I think in regards to this conversation, we're talking about individuals and practitioners,
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preventing that workout or embodying their work, you know, but now they have
these other barriers, you know, or maybe they themselves can't listen to those
basic signals because of their own personal stuff.
So this is also about addressing that, you know, being a practitioner with that
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integrity to do our own personal work before asking that of others. Mm-hmm.
Yeah, because, again, you think about how well can you guide somebody if you
don't know the modality well, if you're not practicing it so much that it's a practice of your own.
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And then, again, that consuming of information can feel good.
Good like you said right if you went
into therapy let's say because of your
own history it's going to feel really good to learn all
these things because you're making sense of oh that's why
right it feels good but
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it can if it if it only stays there now
it just becomes a way to avoid doing your
own work and it looks pretty because
you've got all these certifications meditations right this
can also be on you know the consumer side that
going from thing to
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thing to thing like i'm journaling and
i do the meditation and i go to the yoga and i go to the sound bowl and i go
like i'm going to all the things but i'm not fully present and i'm not fully
like connecting deeply that embodiment work it's just a really pretty way of
avoiding you're avoiding through just keeping busy. Yes.
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Let's tackle that one. I think that that's going to hit home for a lot of people.
I think before we jump into this, I just want to read out some of these comments
because they're really great comments.
And if anybody has any questions or anything that you want to add to the conversation, please do.
Ancestor, our podcast says, this is such truth and I'm so happy that this conversation
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is happening, gracias and he says gracias for having this plática,
thank you for being here we have the millennial matriarch she says snap, so she's snapping.
Sochil says, so beautiful. A drink of water is a 30-second pause for me.
And Ancestor Hour just really loves this conversation. Cara the Bar says, so true.
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So thank you all for the positive feedback. We're so happy that you're here
and that this is connecting with you.
All right. I'm going to – the question – we were talking about the constant consumption.
So we did prepare some questions to sort of guide our conversation.
But it's flowed very organically. So I'm very, very happy about that.
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So the question here was, how can practitioners stay true to their path without
succumbing to the pressures of constant consumption and superficial integration?
And can we also expand on what superficial integration could look like and what
this constant consumption could look like, which you kind of touched upon?
Yeah. So the constant consumption, you know, we use the word consumption just
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because it just fits with where we are as a society, right?
And that can look like going to the conference,
attending the workshops, and then expanding it more into like,
you're listening to all the podcasts, you're on all the TikToks,
you're following all the people on, you know, whatever, YouTube,
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Instagram, and you're just like taking in all this info, the circulos,
the, you know, like you name it taking in taking in taking it which is awesome right we want to learn.
But again, if it just stays there, it's just consumption.
And if you're somebody who wants to or is sharing your wisdom,
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your tools, your medicine, you can look at it this way, too.
Are you hoarding all this wisdom and knowledge and your own skills and medicine, right?
That's a whole different topic. Yeah. Right.
So we can just kind of see like I'm on my phone all the time.
I'm I and I think we can tell ourselves I'm learning, I'm growing, I'm learning.
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Right. I'm taking in all this info. But what are you doing with the info once
once you're bringing that in? Right.
We've got to do something with it. It sounds heavy, to be honest.
You know, thinking about, you know, if here you are, this nucleus and you're attracting.
You know, you're consuming all of this and you just become, I don't know,
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like, how are you channeling?
Yeah, someone said boom, you know, like, how is this going to come out?
You know, there needs to be a channel, like one thing. Yeah.
And I think, you know, a curious question would be, where is this coming from for me?
Why do I feel like I have to take one more course, one more whatever, right? Right.
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I can answer personally for me has like one thing that I have worked on for
many years is self-doubt, finding my own courage. Right.
And or I would feel like, no, I still don't know enough.
And I'm comparing myself to all these other people. I don't know as much as
her. I'm not going to sound like her.
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And so then let me take another course. Let me read another book.
And it really was coming from my own lack of courage.
And believing in myself that I know enough, and I can actually speak about this,
or, or share it with a client.
So let me take in more, let me take in more, right? So I think checking ourselves
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to where is it coming from?
What's making me believe I need more info?
Okay, let's take that and bring it to the other side, where it's a person who
just takes one course, you know, or one one class or reads one book and is like,
OK, you know, I read this book and now now I'm ready to offer it to you all.
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And part of what we talked about, it was having that integrity or that responsibility,
you know, to the craft, you know, truly embodying the work.
This is like full circle, embodying the work before offering it to others,
because even even going to grad school or even going to school like is that
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I guess where when is it enough,
Hmm.
That's a good question. But yes, that's the full other side, right?
You showed up in one workshop, and now you turn around and duplicate it.
And you're not how you're offering the thing, but you don't know what you're doing.
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So that's not good either. Because how are you truly again, you know,
with the healing arts that we're looking at, I think the piece that we really
have to connect to is just how sacred the work is.
And I don't even mean it in a spiritual way, but the responsibility of being
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across from somebody who's in a very vulnerable place and who is looking for
guidance, who's in pain,
who can't, you know, you think of when you're really depressed or suicidal or
so anxious or whatever's happening, you are not in that mindset set to maybe
think super, super clearly.
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You know, you need help and you are turning to someone that you trust,
whether you just met them, right? It's your first time working with a person.
You're turning to someone with so much trust that they're going to guide you
in a way that is going to help you.
That's a huge responsibility.
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And we've got to remind ourselves of that it, and again, not just therapy because,
You know, I have to undo a lot of stuff in my sessions, even in coaching.
People coming in, tell me some horror stories about Reiki sessions,
BIMPYAS, tarot, therapy, coaching, you name it.
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Because this happens.
One TikTok does not equal. You are now skilled enough to share this thing.
And people do that right
so like what is it ego you're like
have such a big desire to to put yourself
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out there but i think that integrity is let me
learn enough so then with respect
with care i can
share this thing yeah i
think it's such a it's such a fine line especially
nowadays of days because information is so widely
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available and you know that
I think that sometimes some of
the more traditional routes that I feel like people feel pressured by not being
able to dedicate as much time or energy and certain things do certain things
still require the same amount of energy that it did like 50 years ago you know
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back when you would do the apprenticeship you would learn
for 20 years and then be able to offer it.
You know, I think the world is moving at such a fast pace where.
Like that it should be faster. And I think to a certain degree,
things can be faster because of the tools and the avenues in which we can learn
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are a lot more streamlined nowadays.
However, it doesn't detract from the idea that you still need to put something into practice.
And that if you can't take that course or that training or that whatever it
is modality that you fell in love with that you would like to offer and take
it home and really practice it before
and really embody it before you even attempt to give it out to others.
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I think that's just like the bare minimum that one should do.
I do think that there are ways in which people can practice these things on
their own and learn on their own, but there does need to be some sort of,
criteria at least you know a standard where you
know then you're able to offer it to someone else because the damage that one
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can cause is it can be irreparable or a lot of work to undo so how do you know
i think we got to do better and hold ourselves personally accountable and.
It's hard because we i think we've all bared witness to this where you know
we have people come into our practices and next thing you know,
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they're offering the same thing, you know, but repackaged or not even repackaged.
Sometimes it's really, really blatant and, and, and that's tough,
you know, and that's, that's the world that we're living in right now.
We have some, we have some, some comments, so I don't know if you want to respond
to that and then go into the comments or vice versa. Yes.
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I think, you know, it's a complicated, there's no one answer or like, just do this thing.
Right. Because I think it's finding that, that middle ground of,
I'm not so terrified that I'm taking, you know, forever to share something because
I don't want to mess it up or I don't feel secure and definitely don't want
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to go the other route of like, right.
So like for anybody watching me here, like there's so much love being poured
into this plática right now, right?
Like I'm sending love to everybody watching and everybody who's going to watch, holding space for you.
But also, you know, if you want to learn that you can contact either one of
us about how you can work with us versus taking the tidbits here and now making it something, right?
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And maybe some of the work there, again, is about kind of checking ourselves,
like what is making me feel that I need to run with this one thing I heard or
this one thing I learned what
is the urgency because it feels that way like there's an urgency of oh I watched
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this thing now let me turn around right but what is the urgency for you where
is the pressure coming from.
And I bet I was gonna say if we go back to the body aspect you know even now
just like Like, you know, just taking that breath and, like,
oh, bringing it back to the body and realizing there isn't pressure.
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You know, there is no, I think people feel that the time is running out.
You know, there isn't enough time to do something.
You know, it's that frazzled energy we talked about earlier.
And we want to do it. We want it now. We want to do it now. Right. So how do we slow down?
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Oh, here we have, we have a big comment.
Let me, let me get back to these comments. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Thank you, everyone. We love that this is so engaging.
So I am Daniela says, I think it's about deepening into la medicina.
And then she says, yes, sacred. She likes that you mentioned that word,
the dark side of the industry, the millennial matriarch says,
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I am Daniela says, thank you.
Mariposa Monarca says, we call that roba altares.
Roba altares. When you take one plática or class, then they turn around and sell it.
Roba altares. Wow.
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Daniela says, consumerism. And then we have El Machetero says,
tapping into the indigenous perspective of a day of
a day one is born could ideally situate the
idea of one's true calling in life versus led by
an emotional desire to be a healer yeah
i think that's an interesting comment because there's such
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an appeal and it's the idea of
being a healer or a helper a curandera a
therapist you know the feathers the drums
you know it's so glamorized and
it looks so you know it looks beautiful sure
you know but it's there's so
much more that that goes into it and I
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think people don't see that but how can
they if we spend all our time like social media
you know it's it's a double-edged sword and if
there is in that kind of again it's going to come back to how
connected are you to yourself so that you
can answer for you why am I wanting to do this why am I being called to this
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just because it's the cool thing right now then again it's at a superficial
level right there's a disconnection versus something deeper and that's the personal work.
Yeah absolutely i think i think and machetero like hit the nail on the head
you know with and he's i think he's making reference to the tonali and being tapped into our,
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ourselves you know our true selves before before
all the programming you know before I think
that's why inner inner child work is so so important but
I don't I think those things could really branch off into other like deep latikas
but I hope that this won't be the the last you know I've really enjoyed this
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I think that we're running near the end so I think let's let's bring this home and,
and I guess give people a,
I guess steps, you know, what can they do now? Like now that they can.
Acknowledge you know or see these parts or you
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know or they're coming face to face with this in their own lives you
know what are some things that they can do to start their embodiment
journey or how can they connect with the soma
you know the somatic side of things you know what what steps can they do there's
probably a lot of steps let's make it yeah let's to begin let's make it What
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are some accessible things that people can do?
Obviously, connect with you, healing with Maricela.
I'm going to make sure she's tagged when I put this on the feed.
But how can they start today? What's something that they can do today that can change their day today?
And I wonder if some of it is just taking time to get curious,
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getting curious with yourself, right? Right.
Like what questions maybe came up for you.
And if you, you know, if you are in the healing arts, maybe even kind of getting
curious about like, where am I on this journey?
Right. Where am I on this journey?
Am I feeling challenged in any way? And what are those challenges?
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Do I feel like I have clarity about why I'm doing this work?
Because that's going to help guide your next steps. Right. So maybe clarity
about where you are, where you're feeling challenged.
And I think the somatic piece, it comes more to the who am I and being with myself.
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Where am I in that journey? Where am I right now in connection to me?
Am I a being that lives only here?
That's it, right? Am I afraid of my body?
Is my body a place that doesn't feel safe
like you know there's so many ways to answer that but maybe
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just some self-reflection of where am
I in in relation to myself
and with no
there's no right there's no wrong it just
is and then maybe going back
to that one question of how do I
want to be how do I want to feel not
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jumping to solution of but it can't be done
because that's a different question right but because if if you can at least
identify and it includes I don't know beautiful if you don't know then that's
going to be your step one to try and figure out right.
(47:06):
And that i feel like that feels good that feels like a good starting place it's
like you have to ask yourself the question first just to to bring it around for full circle,
In the asking, in, I guess, the being able to acknowledge where we are in this
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current moment, how can this help us prevent burnout?
I think a lot of times we think of burnout just as a lot of work being piled
on and we leave the body out of it, the soma, us, the likeness of our vessel.
And I think being able to figure out where we are can give you then a question to look at what you need.
(47:53):
What do I need so I don't burn out? Maybe you're already burnt out.
And really exploring because I think the first thing for all of us,
including me, when I felt burnt out, I went immediately to the workload,
how much work I had. But there's another layer too.
It's like how your body is feeling, how connected or disconnected you feel from the work, right?
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When it no longer matters, where you feel jaded, even being around people,
like there's so much that has already happened, right?
And so it's going to be so personal to respond to that, but to prevent burnout.
We need not only the balance of that workload,
what people are piling on us but there
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has to be connection back to you so that
you know what you're needing and you're noticing when you've
got to eat when you've got to rest when you just need
time out in nature to decompress when you
need joy when you need pleasure right so
there's so many layers there too but i'm
just gonna tie it all back to you gotta be in your body yeah and
(49:00):
be connected it's true yeah it's
it's foundational we have one last question here from el machetero he says any
book recommendations as well for those who appreciate the cerebral aspect of
a healing journey i was gonna suggest the body keeps the score but i don't know if you if you
(49:24):
recommend that book or not because it's a fun it's a really it's a really good
book that does give you know a lot of insight into how trauma impacts the body
and like stressful experiences so that yeah it's a really good book.
Next time I need to think of some good books
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that are written by people of color because I think that's like
my mission right now when we think of somatic practice
the first name or nervous
system the first names that come to mind are like
this author for this book right sorry for
suggesting yeah no no it's a good book it's on
my bookshelf too but then it just reminded me like oh
(50:06):
let's expand that too how do we bring in some
authors also of color who are
doing the same work so that we can expand that right but
yeah that's a really good book I think that's a really nice place you read in
Makititero's mind he says that he read that and he says any recommendations
from an indigenous perspective you said it so he's like yes yeah and and part
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of this is you know And I think I had shared with you,
I had this idea a few weeks ago of thinking,
where are my teachers that are, you know, nervous systems, somatic teachers
that are women of color, men of color too, but women of color, right?
And there are none. and so the idea popped in because I thought we I need to
(50:55):
find her and then I don't remember if it was in a dream or something exactly
I think it was in a dream what I heard is you are her.
So I don't know if I am or not but you know I'm going to take that message of
we also need to find our people because this medicine is does not belong to
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that doctor who is not indigenous indigenous,
but that's the name that's going to pop up when you do your research.
This medicine, working with the body, the spirit, the energy,
this is indigenous medicine, but that's not whose names are popping up.
We don't have the names, right? We don't have the book.
And so I think some of this... It's oral tradition, absolutely. Yeah.
(51:38):
Some of this is bringing it back to, that's why that connection to self is not
coming from a book. Right.
You are the vessel you are the medicine
you are the secret sauce we just need someone
to guide us back and it doesn't have
to be through the traditional routes right
(52:00):
absolutely i you
know el machetero he's mentioning
that the mascali is a blessing and rejuvenation and
burnout being community as well as
the body absolutely there's a lot of indigenous modalities
that you know even just sitting in a circle the idea of sitting in the circle
(52:21):
having you know your your your body making that contact with the earth you know
there's there's dansa but those aren't the only answers is you getting yourself
out there you laying in the dirt you connecting with nature or, you know,
being present without your AirPods or,
you know, your phone,
you know, even we go out there and you're like, oh, this is so beautiful. Let me take a picture.
(52:46):
And, you know, for us, some content creators out here like us,
sometimes we have to, you know, but do we really have to?
So being able to enjoy that and truly just be in the moment.
Oh, so it's going to be presence with, can you still hear me? Yes, yes, yes. Yeah.
Presence with yourself, right? Presence with nature.
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Someone asked me, I think like three clients asked me this yesterday in sessions,
like how do I get my brain to, they wanted some cognitive answer to what we
were talking about being in the body.
And I told them all like, what do I do with my brain when I'm trying to notice my body? I think it was.
And what I said is don't think, don't think.
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Just feel that's some people
don't think just feel so
maybe that's something you can try if you're going
to go for a walk don't pull your phone out just just
feel with your eyes with your ears right your feet on the ground lay on the
(53:54):
grass all of you got your medicine yes i mean for the record i don't always
take pictures everything but i mentioned yeah Yeah. No, but we do.
Yeah, but we do. And it's, you know, I think that's also part of our, our role in our job.
And if we didn't do those things, you know, would we be sitting here having this conversation?
So there's a time and a place, you know, but we have to practice,
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you know, I see it all the time going on hikes, and there's people with their
radios on and I'm just like, it's defeating the purpose.
You know, someone, last thing, last thing, someone mentioned The Four Agreements
by Don Miguel Ruiz as a potential book.
Wouldn't say necessarily it's about the body but it
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it mentions the body as one of the pillars yeah i mean i'm gonna give you all
a loving little assignment instead of listening to your brain who is right now
urgently saying give me a book to read.
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What if you could very
lovingly tell your brain we're going to try something
different we're not going to
read a book we're not going to listen to another podcast we're
not going to go on tiktok we are just going
to let ourselves feel and go
(55:22):
outside and either feel the sun on your skin or take
your shoes off and feel the grass the dirt
whatever is accessible to you anything like
use your senses and just see what that's like because
the things that you're wanting to learn through the book your body
is the better teacher it's so
true yeah the book is going to keep you.
(55:44):
Here she told you who she told you
so we all have some homework we all
have some homework myself included so thank you
so so much for this beautiful conversation for
your time your energy your your wisdom and
people are saying good medicine gracias and when
(56:05):
you do the dishes do the dishes yeah because
they're saying amazing conversation you did
this so thank you i'm so
come on again sometime and we can yeah we can
talk something else so people are saying they're going to go outside this
(56:27):
evening they're saying thank you so yes and drink
some water i hear it's going to be really hot out there especially out where
you are so yeah stay stay cool and i'll be posting this on the feed and remember
everybody if you love this conversation like i know you did Give Healing with Maricela a follow.
(56:51):
Check out her work. Sign up for her workshops.
She does wonderful work.
There's a reason, you know, I hope that she would be glad.
Thank you. So thank you. Thank you. Have a good day. Bye, piloncillos.
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