Police Box in the Junkyard EP 033 - The Doctor Falls: A Masterful Farewell - Police Box in the Junkyard Podcast

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Hello, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Police Box in the Junkyard podcast.
I'm Eric O'Branson, with me in the TARDIS as every time, as I said,
every week. We're not doing this every week, are we? Not yet.
It's Asad Keski and Matthew Kressel. Hello. How are you guys this evening? Good, good.

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Hopefully you're not really in pain but um
that's a well my wallet certainly
is because i've had to buy a new laptop yes yes that was the first utterance
of the new laptop there so yeah absolutely well yeah how are how are things

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going with the two of you anything new I don't know.
Things are pretty good. Nothing much new. Just waiting for Chicago TARDIS and the new season.
Or the new specials, I should say. Yes.
Which all fall on the same weekend. We were just discussing that prior to hitting record here.
But yeah, everything will be at Chicago TARDIS on the eve of the new special coming out.

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So we were hoping that there is some sort of a ability to watch that at the
convention with everyone.
So in the past, they've done that
kind of thing. So I assume they'll put something together if they can.
I guess that's why they're not doing it on the 23rd itself so that they could
do it, I guess, the Saturdays better.

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Yeah, something with the Saturdays, which I mean, traditionally,
that's been their day. I mean, way back to and it seems like and I guess I could be could be right.
I'm not sure when it was airing, when it originally like came back to television
with the Russell Davies and Christopher Eccleston.
But I think it's always done better on Saturdays, hasn't it?

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When they move it away from Saturdays is usually when they start having having issues.
But yeah, Modern Who has generally been on Saturdays dating back to when they
brought it back in 05. And, you know, this isn't the first time an anniversary
special will have aired, you know, on a non-anniversary day.
The Five Doctors famously got aired on the 25th in the UK, but this time we

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will not be having it early.
Yeah, I was going to say that one came out in the US early, right?
We actually got it on the anniversary date and the UK fandom has never forgiven us.
It's the one thing we have. Yeah.
We get all the books and magazines six months late, but they,

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you know, they're holding that against us. Yeah. If we're lucky.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Speaking of that, I think we mentioned last time that we
were going to cover the last portion of the of the comic story,
the 14th Doctor comic story.
And we are not going to be able to do that because the last chapter of it is not yet been released.

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So a couple more weeks and we'll be able to finish that up. So hopefully we'll
get that on next time around or whenever we, you know, get to it.
But that's, we'll finish, hopefully have that finished up.
And I'm not sure it'll be recorded and on the show before the special airs,
but we'll, uh, yeah, shortly after.
Right speaking of yeah the
special i just saw just just like an hour prior

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to getting on the the recording here the new
disney plus trailer which is essentially the trailer we've already
seen with some new branding on it and the announcements of the dates so as you
mentioned the starting on the 25th and then three consecutive saturdays after
that so i think it falls on like the ninth or the second of november and the

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ninth of november i believe are the subsequent two specials.
Well, the 2nd of December and the 9th of December.
December, yes, you're right, absolutely.
You know, wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff. I looked over when I said the 25th
and looked at the 10, 20, yeah, anyway. So I'm time-traveling.
I guess I'm not sure what the second special is about. I mean,

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we know the first one is Star Beast, and we know the third one is the Toymaker,
so what's the second one about?
We're going into the Wild Blue Yunder.
Yeah. And as far as I know, it's not adapted from anything.
It doesn't feature any returning villains or characters as far as we know of, of course.

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Yeah. I assume there will be a lot of just, I don't know, maybe I'm over building
it just knowing that Russell T.
Davies is a better keeper of secrets than either of the other showrunners.
But i'm expecting there to be surprises
and many of them most likely but maybe i'm
wrong maybe i'm building that up too much but i i'm sure
they will be good either way right right yeah yeah we'll find out soon enough

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yes yes we will certainly expect to see some of the toy maker in the first two
specials since he always likes to throw in the things starting in advance whether
it's bad wolf yeah some little whatever teasers throughout yep.
Anything else going on in the world of doctor who that you saw or anything you're

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reading or watching or anything who related or otherwise that is uh noteworthy no still waiting for the
novelization of the zygon invasion inversion
yep so okay yep
still that i have not picked up
any of the new batch of target novelizations yet and i feel like i should i'm

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missing out i think on a couple of those but yeah yeah i've got waters of mars
sitting here i haven't read yet which i'm very much looking forward to and actually
last week i was listening to the latest third doctor Doctor Adventure from Big Finish,
Intelligence for War, which is a very fun and slightly trippy season seven story.
So if you like early Pertwee, I highly recommend it.

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Oh, cool. I do like early bird feed. You should give it a listen to some.
More Big Finish. Yeah. I'm just trying to think if I've done anything other
than watching the show, the couple of shows that we did for this evening in
the past month, I've been kind of Dr. Who light.
It's a Dr. Light month, if you will. I haven't done a whole lot of anything.

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So, yeah. Yeah, they don't really
have a whole lot of the news and happenings. That's really about it.
Disney Plus feature, Disney Plus trailer and some dates.
And the countdown is on to some new Doctor Who finally.
And then we still, fingers crossed, we'll get even more new Who in the spring.

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Right. That's what they keep saying. Yeah.
They've finished the filming, so hopefully. Yeah. And actually just started
filming season two, or well, should he got was second season,
we should say, within the last day or two, they started filming it.
So before the first ones went out. So, yeah, that's a sign of confidence from
somebody with it having not even aired yet.

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Right. Yeah, absolutely. And I know that was one of the promises made by the
new, the new, we call them the new production crew.
But when they came on.
The returning production crew. Yeah, returning production crew.
That we'd get a more regular rotation going again. So, you know,
series every year or so and-

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Hopefully that's going to come to fruition. Sounds like they're trying to get
a lot of it in the can, which is great.
So they can be on every season and we can return to kind of having a regular
TV show schedule, which will be nice since like pretty much everything in the
States is at a standstill production wise still.

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So we have to have something new to watch in the coming year.
Yeah i'm wondering when some new comic books will start appearing
i mean the last comics were the doomsday tie-ins so
but no actual yeah doctor who comics for a while now they kind of hit pause
on all that and i assume it's going to take off again at least the main range

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titan still owns the the contract as far as i'm as far as i know that they are
going to keep doing doctor who comics so i I think they would be,
I can't think of any reason why they would not want to start on the,
you know, a 15 doctor range,
15th doctor range when that kicks off, but we'll see.
They did, they certainly slowed down because you think back like five years

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and remember that there were like seven different series, you know,
some limited and some, some current, but there was, you know,
they were doing a 10th, 11th and 12th doctor regular series they were doing.
And then some offshoots for some of the earlier doctors, like some, some short. Yeah.
Lots of stuff. Go ahead. I was going to say, it got almost Big Finish-esque

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for a while there where I couldn't even keep up with it.
Yeah. That may be what's behind it, too, is that I think there was a feeling
that they kind of oversaturated the market to some extent.
And I think COVID also kind of affecting kind of everything in the comics industry as well.
So, you know, we'll see. Time will tell. It always does.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I just can't imagine they won't be doing something because
they were doing, you know, 13th Doctor. Yeah.
Comic throughout that run and it just it ended and then
there's been not much since except for the doomsday which i
think was a limited series yeah i started with
the best of intentions of following that and i just have haven't so

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yeah i've not followed any of it if it
makes you feel better not even the big finished chunks of it so yeah
shame on me yeah yeah i read
i read the initialed the kickoff short story and then the james goss wrote and
then i read two or three of like the first four hour that doctor who magazine

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put out their comic strips i didn't even get through all through all of those
and it wasn't because i was like disliking it necessarily.
But i will admit it didn't really get its hooks in enough to make
me like really go out and get that next piece of
the puzzle so the the
story that kicks it off is is intriguing enough but the
to follow it up with a kind of mishmash group of comic strips was a weird choice

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as the second entry but yeah anyway yeah someday maybe well it sounds like they
still haven't figured out how to do the the sort of multimedia event thing because
you know thinking back on time lord victorious as
well so maybe they'll figure it out one day but at this point you know they've had two goes and,
this one again i've not read or heard any of it but i've been following some

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of the reviews online and most people have been you know fortunately or unfortunately
fairly scathing about it so and they have been since that first trailer dropped
and i don't know if that first trailer just left a bad taste in some people's
mouths or what right yeah.
It's a bit of a mess, and I'm worried that it's going to put people off of spinoff

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Doctor Who's because we're talking like there's been that talk of there being
spinoffs in the pipe and that they're trying to expand to the Doctor Who universe.
And the two kind of attempts at that, like multimedia spinoff stuff,
both kind of left a bad taste in my mouth just because it's just the first one
was because it was such a mess.

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Mess there were some quality pieces in there but it was
just following it and trying to get a hold of all
of it and then yeah it was just a bit of a mess
it just seems like a terrible idea to have across so
many different media things so i think it's not
this not being a spin-off itself that's a problem it's just the
way it was done just to you know
put out like a series of novels or put it out like a

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comic book miniseries or something consistent that
makes it easier to keep up with things yeah i
mean also for that matter i mean i've seen a lot of
people compare it with shadows of the empire which was the big star wars thing
from the mid 90s and it was like the the big difference
seems to be is that they found a way to tell complete stories in
those media in the different mediums so if you didn't necessarily read the comic

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or didn't play the video game but you read the but you played the comic or what
i read the comic i should say you still followed a story and you know there
was a complete story there and that was the thing i realized you know going
back looking at Time Lord Victorious is that you couldn't follow a complete story.
Just in one media.
And I get the impression that's also been kind of the problem with Doomsday as well.

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I mean, I get annoyed enough with it even in just in like comic books,
like the ones that span multiple titles, even if it's all following one character.
But yeah, so if you have to buy multiple titles that you don't normally get,
it's just annoying. Yeah.
Oh, yeah. Trying to follow like Batman, Superman, even Spider-Man throughout

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the 90s, where it would jump around like the continuity would jump from from
title to title all over the place.
So if you subscribe to one, like, let's say The Amazing Spider-Man is the book
that you subscribe to, you'd be, you know, two, three issues into a storyline.
And all of a sudden, it would jump over to like, the spectacular Spider-Man
is going to have the next chapter. And the next chapter is going to be in like Web of Scarlet Spider.

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And then something like it's like all over the place. And then you run to the
comic book store and dropping more money on.
Yeah. So I learned or I learned early on in my reading of comic books.
So that was not my favorite thing when they, you know, that.
So, of course, it worked. They sold me more comics that I wasn't subscribed to. But still. Yeah.

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Well, we should probably jump into what we're going to be talking about for
this month. And that is the two part.
It's the two-part penultimate adventure for peter capaldi's 12th doctor and
that is world enough and time and the doctor falls promise you won't get me

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killed wait for me doctor,
because of the black hole one end of the ship time is moving faster what are
you doing to them Curing them.
Step away from those doors, you'll bring them back. This was a good place once, but this ship is old.
Everything is dying. We must evolve to survive.

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Music.
So, World Enough in Time originally aired June 24th of 2017.
And, yeah, written by Stephen Moppet, directed by Chicago TARDIS guest this year, Rachel Talloway.
Yeah, so this is a timely one. And hopefully I can get this put together and

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out in time for anyone who might be listening that's going to be at the convention this year. Yes.
Yeah. So I can't believe I just was reading the date back that it has been that
long since this was on. Yeah.
Hard to believe because this still feels pretty new to me.
But episode continued an

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ongoing story arc concerning missy's rehabilitation and the
doctor taking missy on her first adventure and entrusting her
with his two companions they end up on a spaceship that is slowly being sucked
into a black hole that has two different two drastically different time or speed
that time is running i'm trying which I went off of script here and I'm butchering it,

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but I don't have a good short.
I realized that this, I started reading a synopsis that was like three paragraphs
long. I'm like, well, this is too long.
So, so when the, when bill is snatched from the top of the ship,
kind of bridge control room and taken away, they have to find a way to kind of get her back.

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And where she's ended up the time, uh.
Much a lot many many many years is passing for
her while they're you know many seconds is only going by as they're starting
to uh yeah countdown so anyway that was a terrible synopsis it doesn't really
do it justice but i figure we'll kind of break it up apart here as we go so
find something better for the second episode i was betrayed by not doing my

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homework on that one there so,
so yeah what do you what do you guys have uh memories of of this one or just
initial reactions to what do you remember about seeing this the first time and
yeah and re-watching this time,
i think it's i think it's just brilliant i mean there are some things i think
that you kind of think might be wrapped up a little more in the second part

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which never actually get addressed but overall it doesn't bother me so much
about it but but overall yeah it's both parts are brilliant,
So I may not have too much to say on this episode other than lots of praise. I'm done. Yeah.

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My main memory of actually watching
this the first time is that I actually watched both parts with my mom.
And my mom is a big horror movie person. And when we saw this,
she was about to go in for her first knee replacement.
Replacement okay so the stuff in the hospital in world enough in time with the future cyber,
cyberman going pain yes hey she genuinely got creeped out and it it became a

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started a running gag that's continued with us to this day that every time she
goes in for surgery she's had her other knee replaced since then as well i keep
going you're this percent you know you're you're You're 25% Cyberman.
Now you're 40% Cyberman.
She's slowly being converted. Yeah. Yeah.
Oh, it is super creepy, those sequences. Yeah. Very sort of skin-crawlingly.

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I mean, it's like, yeah, when the nurse comes in and you realize all she's done
is turned off the volume rather than giving baby indications. It's like, ew.
It's momentous. Nice. Matthew is holding up a Mondasian Cybermen model figure.
Yep. I mean, one can wish that that hadn't been spoiled in the promos.

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Yeah. I know, I know. Yeah, this was one where hashtag DWSR,
the Doctor Who set report people,
really kind of shot us in the foot because they spotted that all the various
Cybermen were out when they were filming on location and put it on the internet.
But the big thing they gave away was John Sim coming back because somebody happened

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to catch a picture of him.
So instead of that being the big surprise, they were forced to announce it in
one of the, I think it was the release trailer at the end of the pilot,
if I remember right, where they had to kind of reveal he was there and fandom
threw up its arms and said, what?
And it turned out that somebody had posted a picture of it on Twitter,
I think it was, and one of the newspapers in the UK spotted it and called up

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the BBC, you know, wanting comment.
And they were like, well, we better get in front of this before somebody reports it. so
yeah that's a bummer because they spent
uh john sim gives a great yeah performance as
this other character that he plays throughout the whole pretty
much the entirety of world enough in time because it's the cliffhanger that
he reveals who he really is and that all

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all of that was you know set up to be a big surprise and then unfortunately
it wasn't allowed to be because of the leak and we all already knew who it was
and the makeup the makeup is good but it's It's not good enough that once you
know John Simms in the episode that you don't know it's him. I mean, it's very much.
I can't remember if I knew that John Simms was going to be in it.

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I mean, I remember that I knew about the Mondasian Cybermen,
but I can't remember if I had run across the news about John Simms.
Yeah, I remember knowing beforehand because I remember when they introduced
this, the character of, what is his name? Razor? Razor.
Razor, yep. TARDIS wiki's letting me down here. They don't even have a cast

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list on this episode page.
But the Razor, I think, is the,
He's kind of the assistant of the nurses, or he's like a maintenance man or
something in one of the hospital units where they're converting all of these
people slowly into Cybermen in the bottom of this ship as they slowly,

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they're kind of slowly choked to death on their own.
They've built a society, they've industrialized, they start to,
you know, basically it's a microcosm of human development since the Industrial Revolution.
You know, they kind of pollute themselves to death and then start converting
themselves into machines,
you know, thus creating Cybermen, giving us a little bit of our genesis of the

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Cybermen part two or three, you know, second or third time we've gotten an official origin story here.
But this one does borrow heavily, I think, from from spare parts, but in a good way.
Like, I don't think it's derivative of of it. But yeah, I mean,
they make a whole point with Capaldi's doctor saying, which I had forgotten
about till I rewatched it about an hour or so ago.

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There's a whole point where he does this whole speech at the beginning of the
Doctor Falls about, you know, Meridus and Planet 14 and parallel evolution.
And it's like, you know, it was a wonderful way of saying the Cybermen are the
Cybermen evolve everywhere.
And all the origin stories, you know, are compatible with one another. It's like, thank you.
Yes. Yeah. They're all true. Yeah. Everything you've heard is true.

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Yeah, just like smartphones and other things.
So does that mean all the Doctor Who magazine comic stories are now canonical,
just like in Night of the Doctor, they sort of made Big Finish canonical with the Eighth Doctor?
Yes, absolutely. Everything's canon.

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I mean, that's Paul Cordell's great quote, everything is canon and nothing is
canon. Yeah, I think that I can't agree. I couldn't agree more.
So, yeah, I think coming back to just we were talking about like there being
some serious, some wonderfully memorable moments in this episode.
You mentioned the pain moment.

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In the hospital and the reveal of
you know what what has happened to bill the reveal of the the johnson
master returning i really love the
opening with missy getting to just having
a great time kind of chewing the
scenery doing her best impression of what she thinks the doctor
is like and it's michelle gomez is absolutely hilarious

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and dialed it up to like 11 in the beginning of
this episode and i loved her throughout her time on
the show anyway but she probably never
made me laugh more than she did in the first 10-15 minutes
of this episode it's really funny and i
just every time we do it and i know the people that are like not big stephen
moffat fans are going to kind of groan but i just miss just some of the the

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great lines and and moments that we get here especially some of the the unsettling
the way he writes the horror stuff in here i just don't feel like we've We've
seen anything like that since the Moffat era,
even though there have been attempts at it and the,
I don't know, the humor and just the wonderful moments of gravitas that he gives us. Yeah, yeah.

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I miss that. I hope they can talk him into writing for the show again.
I don't think they're going to get him back to run the show.
In fact, I was a little on the fence on whether bringing Russell T.
Back was the right move, but-
Since all that's happened already, let's get a couple of Stephen Moffat scripts
through the door again someday. Yeah.
I know that's one of the big rumors that was making the rounds a few months

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ago that's never been confirmed or denied.
So, again, yeah, we'll find out in time, I suppose.
Yeah. Yeah. I hope it's true. The writing is crisp. Capaldi is such a fantastic actor.
I mean, poor Jodie Whittaker. I don't think there's really too many actors,
male or female, who would have, I mean, any actor would have had a tough time

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following up on Peter Capaldi. Yeah.
And Capaldi's probably my favorite modern doctor, post-2005 doctor. I don't know.
I change my mind about things so often I don't like to go on record.
But, yeah, I love everything he does, even in episodes that aren't my favorite.

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It's never been because Peter Capaldi isn't great. Yeah.
I mean, he just got a meaty script here that gave him a lot to do.
I mean, he's got those sort of lighter moments of flippancy,
which I think we tend to forget about in the same way we do with Eccleston's Doctor.
We forget that they had that kind of lighter touch, you know, when they had to have it.
But we remember especially the sort of the grumpiness, but especially sort of

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those moments of pathos and gravitas. You know, he could really bring it that
big, you know, you know, where where I stand is where I fall. That whole speech.
It's become legendary and rightfully so. I mean, just that whole moment is just incredible to watch.
And it is it's sort of a masterclass of how you ought to play the doctor in some ways.

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Not that, you know, anybody I think who's played the part at least officially has done a bad job.
But Capaldi knocked it out of the park on this one.
And yeah, following and also, you know, twice upon a time, for that matter,
which followed these. I mean, it was going to be a hard act to follow,
but I think he went out at his top, and that's kind of rare for a doctor in many ways.

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Yeah, I don't think many other doctors give a monologue like the 12th Doctor does.
Even right in the beginning, there's a little scene about how he wants the Master
to be good because he's kind of the only other person like him in the universe.
So, yeah. Yeah, I know that's a sticking point for a lot of people about this

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episode is the fact that the whole thing is this whole thing and what ends up
happening to Bill and in the dark places that this ends up going is pretty much
because the doctor wants to gamble on Missy.
And in the end, does he make the right call?
I think it depends on how you read the ending of this. But yeah.
I mean, he's not wrong about her.

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I mean, although what happened with the cost is quite heavy for.
Yeah. But I mean, what happened with Bill was, well, that was not really Missy's
fault, surprisingly enough.
Yeah. No, it wasn't. Even if he had.
And I think Missy's version of the Master, she has a really great arc throughout

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the time that she's on the show.
And I think that, I don't think you'd give somebody like the Master redemption
necessarily, but the way they leave the character at the end of it is really
a nice place to leave the character. I wish they would have let it rest a little while on that.
Obviously, the master is going to come back someday, but to have him back as
rapidly as it felt like he was back again in the show and then not even really

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addressing any of any of this,
which, of course, leads to fan theories about how maybe Missy's a later incarnation.
And yeah you know whatever but yeah i
thought it was a really nice way to give the characters some a great arc throughout
this story and and examine especially towards the end of this series examine

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the relationship between the doctor and the master again yeah in a little bit of a different light.
It's interesting watching it this time and kind of being sort of aware of the
whole thing about personal growth and whatnot, too.
We look at Missius as kind of, by the time it's over with, you know,
ready to fight and die at the doctor's side. Not that she gets the chance.

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But then it's like the old version of her quite literally pops up.
And it's like, no, we used to do all these kind of wonderful things.
We used to kill people and turn people into Cybermen and this,
that, and the other. And it's like it's like watching somebody kind of dealing
with their demons in a way sort of, you know, temptation comes along.
And there's moments when it seems like Missy Missy's giving into it.

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Maybe she is. Maybe she isn't. There's some wonderful ambiguity at the start of Dr. Fall.
It's kind of like that crisis the alcoholic has. Like, now that I can't have
a drink, what am I supposed to do for fun? You know? Yes.
Thank you. I was trying to think of a good analogy and you hit it. Thank you.
Yeah. No, I think that's absolutely it. is
she's dealing with that and and then john sims master

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comes and then is the temptation you know he's the face
of temptation i love that they give it him like the classic master goatee
yeah and you know totally changed his character into a much more likable version
of the master or watchable version of the master than he played on the show
yeah yeah i was i always say that about this like earlier master i mean i was
not either i didn't think i liked the master when i first saw the

(30:52):
show and then of course then i went back and the first master i
saw in my watch through was delgado i'm like oh okay i do like
this what i don't know what they were thinking with the john sim character
but yeah there's there's some redemption here the way stephen moffat's written
him i i kind of wish like he had always you know been this character this is
a little older wiser version of this master but yeah he's still very he's still

(31:15):
uh you know maniacal and he has some
of the traits but he just doesn't have that like wacky insanity that
yeah yeah i mean that was kind of the problem
with him under the rtd thing was is that i
mean the master to some extent is always going to be a mirror of the doctor
and they kind of went well hip young doctor you know we've got to have a hip
young master who's got this manic energy to it the problem is is that they ended

(31:38):
up writing the character being over the top right and it just did not suit the
character well and it's again i at the time i always felt kind of bad for john
sim and thinking you know If only he'd gotten a different script,
what could he have done with this? And we have the answer now.
Yeah. And he was amazing in this. Yeah. Yeah. He's, yeah, to,
we'll keep using the same word, but he is brilliant in this.

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And this incarnation of the master, which unfortunately only get here,
is absolutely brilliant as well.
Like I, and I love the double master, like the interplay between him and Missy is fantastic.
And I don't know, the whole thing just puts a big grin on my face. It's a.
Yeah. No, I mean, even. Multi-master story that we got here, so.
Yeah. And even Sasha Dewan, I mean, he's a great actor, but I also didn't like

(32:22):
the more manichee sort of elements that they would give him to be doing. Yeah.
But they allowed him to be sinister, at least. And the problem with Sim is they
never really gave him that chance.
It was always, I've got to be sort of wacky and maniacal. It's almost,
I hate to say comic book villain, but cartoon villain, I think may be a better
description for it. Yeah.

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The only motivation I felt like the John Sim master was given in his initial
run was that he was insane.
So he's going to do insane things. He stared into the schism and he lost his
mind and it didn't really give him much of the character traits of the master
we've come to know throughout the classic series.

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It wasn't really there. So he's a little bit of a master in name only.
He's basically the Joker. in some way it's like yeah yeah
he's much more similar to something like that you know
so anyway coming back to this episode yeah
steven moffat's written him i'm sure deliberately very differently
and it's to great success like

(33:26):
i i feel like john sim just does a great job with this i
mean because he i mean he was he's a great actor so there was no question
there it wasn't him that did you know for
sure yeah so definitely made
me happy it's one of the the the highlights of
this episode that has a whole lot of highlights so and yeah so we we get to

(33:46):
the end of world enough in time and the big the big reveal is that uh razor
has been you know the master all along also bill is now a cyberman she's been
converted into yeah one of the original looking cybermen.
And it leaves us yeah in a pretty dark place there and you think oh i don't

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think it could get any darker than this, and then we get the next episode.
I don't know if y'all have ever seen it, but somebody went and took the last
couple of minutes of World Enough in Time and set it in black and white and
brought in Space Adventure, the classic 60s Cybermen theme.
If you've never seen that, I

(34:27):
hope it's still on YouTube, because it is amazing. I have to check it out.
I think one last thing I'll say about Razor is that he's certainly channeling his inner Zathras. yeah,
Yeah, the Razor character, that performance by John Simm is also very good.
I find him. He has a lot of great lines. He's got a lot of great lines.

(34:50):
Yeah. He's got the horror. He'll prepare you for the horror to come.
Yeah, and he just turns into like, you know, they have like a little budding
friendship and it makes the knife in the back at the end of that just even more
like, because I think you as the viewer have started to trust you.
If it hadn't been totally blown by the BBC, have started to trust Razor as well as Bill has.

(35:16):
And yeah, that's when you can feel, I think, like that betrayal is like, oh no. Right.
You played her the whole time. She spent more time with Razor than she really
has with the Doctor. She spent like 10 years or something.
Yeah. A decade or more, yep. Yeah, because the time's running,
like as we mentioned, in in different at different speeds based

(35:38):
on the the gravitational pull of the black hole which you
know a lot of weebly wobbly science there but it's a cool concept yeah
steven steven moffett's a concept person and i love a lot of the stuff he comes
up with even though it might not be scientifically like right sound but you
know i mean this one actually is one of his more scientific sort of based ones
because it's all has to do with uh relativity of what that was It was actually apparently,

(36:02):
if I remember an interview, right, suggested by one of his sons,
who now was a physics student at the time, and came to his dad and said,
you enjoy doing time stuff in Doctor Who.
Here's something that's actually real. And Mothick goes, I'll have some of that. Right. Yeah.
Yeah. I don't know how you could dangle that in front of a writer for Doctor
Who and then not be like, oh, that's a, you know, going to take that one. Right.

(36:25):
Yeah. Yeah, so part two of the episode, it's called The Doctor Falls.
And this one, we pick up right where we left off, essentially.
And yeah, Bill's a Cyberman. We have two masters,
and Nardole and the Doctor are basically training a group of farmers that live

(36:46):
on an advanced level of the ship from the base level that we started at.
But to defend themselves against an coming army of Cybermen that are slowly
blasting their way up through the levels of the ship yeah so this one also same
writer, director, producer and this one aired,

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July 1st of 2017 so.
But yeah, we already touched on some of it.
I don't know why I broke it into two, really, but we were kind of talking about them as a whole.
But yeah, it gets to kind of a...
I don't know if it's the Doctor hitting rock bottom necessarily because he's

(37:29):
done such a good job finding out what he believes his role to play is in not
just the life of his companions and what's going on immediately,
but in in the in general like where where he's gonna leave himself he's come
to a certain he's come to a peace enough that he's gonna let himself go like

(37:51):
he's gonna let himself die here like he's not gonna regenerate he's gonna he's
gonna fall this is where he stands is where he falls and.
Yeah and then i feel like yeah i mean rock bottom might be not quite the but i feel like it's it's a
it's a point of he's kind of lost everything

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and very very suddenly he lost his
friend that he he kind of gambled everything he had
he put everything on black and and thinks he's lost missy
like it was a bad bet and because of that he's lost
his companion right he's lost his friend it's cost her her life or at least
her maybe not life but at least her limb if you say life and limb but because

(38:34):
she's now been converted into a cyberman who's who's still got bill's mind she
still sees herself as she's still conscious as herself she's not been totally taken over by.
I don't know if we used the word nanites in this. I was watching this about
the same time as we did our last The Blood and Steel review.
So that's just stuck in my head. But yeah, before it has quite,

(38:56):
it hasn't taken over her brain yet.
But so she's, she's Bill and another rapper now.
But yeah, this is a more old fashioned way of making Cybermen.
Yes. Yeah. With bone saws and other unpleasant stuff. Yeah.
So I kind of, even when I first saw this, I really kind of wished that they

(39:20):
had brought back the 80s Cybermen as well, since they had different Cybermen,
even with their silly cricket clubs and everything.
But I really like the 80s Cybermen.
Yeah, I feel like since they had so many, they should have just made sure all
of them were represented, even if it was just in the background somewhere.
Just like with the Dalek Parliament, they had Daleks from all over.

(39:42):
Yeah. that 60s I meant the Earthshock
Earthshock Cybermen yeah those are the ones I wanted to see yeah.
It is cool though as as the Cybermen
come up yeah from the bottom of the ship to attack you get different different
waves of them to show us that they have evolved through all of the different

(40:03):
Cybermen that we we know and then we you know get all the way up to the most
recent at this time version of the Cybermen which which essentially is the most
recent too, because when they appeared in the show,
the 13th Doctor's run, they were pretty similar still.
I think they updated the helmets to be more like the Invasion and Revenge style

(40:23):
ones, but the bodies were still very much the 2013 Nightmare in Silver variant.
But yeah, that's the one thing that would have made this better is we needed
more versions of the Cybermen.
Moffat and Chibnall certainly seem to prefer Cybermen to Daleks.
Yeah. They do. Yeah. I do in some way.

(40:46):
I don't know. I like them both. And I don't ever want to see them,
you know, either of them leave. I feel like they have to.
People like to grumble about like, oh, it's going to be another Dalek story.
It's like, of course it is. We got to have one of those. Like,
what are you talking about?
Yeah, I feel the same way about the Cybermen. Yeah, I mean, if they're done
well, and I think that's what always been one of the problems with them on TV

(41:10):
and in audio as well, that you have to do them well.
And when you don't do them well, you know, it becomes a bit of a tedious exercise
and you have to make them kind of threatening and scary. That was one of the
things I loved about this one was it kind of reinforced the creepiness of them as well.
It's easy to think of them as just plain robots. And this one kind of forces

(41:33):
you to kind of go back and do that thing of, oh, my God, it's somebody I know
who's actually in there kind of thing.

(42:10):
Or she sees a shadow on the wall. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yes. I mean,
some wonderful directorial touches there as well.
And yeah, Rachel Talalay, I think every time she's been at the helm of the show,
has just delivered an incredible product.
Very, I don't know, cinematic and just wonderful looking episodes of Doctor Who.

(42:31):
You touched on the kind of the, I don't know if you would call it the humanizing
of the cyber web, but coming off of our review of Blood and Steel last time,
I think it was a great place to kind of go right into this episode.
Because I think it touches on some of the same thing, elements of what the process,
if you were to slow that process down to the most painful crawl that you could,

(42:55):
the process of becoming a Cyberman is,
and that's exactly what happens to Bill here.
You get that in the hospital scenes in the first episode where,
you know, you just have these people that are just suffering as evidenced by
the, you know, the turning down the volume of their cries for help.

(43:17):
And so, yeah, it just, I think it adds a whole nother layer of,
like you said, Matthew, it's easier, easy to think of them as like the big steel robots or something.
And now it adds this whole other human element
to it and that you remember that there's a human being inside
of this thing and it's it's only it's only
not in misery because it's turned

(43:39):
that off right somehow so thanks to the handlebars and yes i'd forgotten that
until i was watching it this time and i went oh that's because i guess they
have to explain why they've got the handlebars It's like if you're going to
force an explanation onto it, that's a good one.
It's interesting that you kind of thought, and I kind of would have thought

(44:02):
that the doctor who's running the hospital and doing the cyber conversions might
have a larger role, but he just kind of is pretty incidental to proceedings.
Yeah. Even though you kind of think, oh, this is the... Yeah.
I mean, that's a Moffat thing, too. I mean, you think about some of his scripting,
you know, characters get brought in and, you know, major introductions and everything

(44:24):
else and then just vanish again.
I mean, in this story, for that matter, is it Georgia or whatever his name is?
You know, he gets knocked unconscious by the doctor. They get in the elevator
and we never see him again.
Yeah, that was one of the questions that I had about, like, that's one of the
things that I, like I said, I thought might get wrapped up a little.
The circle might get squared, but nope. Nope.

(44:47):
Yeah on the other hand it's probably just been another
two or three days on the bridge for him so yeah
that's true yeah and i also got the impression like that the cyber conversion
project was larger than just that one doctor like he was just a doctor helming
this one hospital and i thought there were i got the impression there were many

(45:11):
of these places there were many wards in that hospital,
and there were many of those places converting people.
I got the impression that it was something the Master had started the whole,
ball rolling, like you said, to make the entire level into a cyber conversion factory,
before he disguised himself as Razor.

(45:32):
Well, probably having realized he had a bunch of Mondasians sitting there,
and he's like, well, this is where this is going to end up anyways.
I'm just going to give him a nice push. Yeah.
Like, oh, that's who you are. Okay, well, let's get this over with.
I could use this to my advantage somehow.
And that's another one of those moments that Moffat has for the fans,

(45:53):
the buildup into when they, well, okay, this is going back to part one,
but when they say it's Earth, but not Earth, Mondas. Yes. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, lots of good throwbacks in his writing.
I don't know. Every time I watch one, I miss this era of Doctor Who a little bit.

(46:17):
So it was probably the most fun I had watching the show since it came back.
And that's not to say that there's not fantastic stuff in both the Russell T.
Davies era and fewer and farther between.
But I enjoyed some things in the Chris Chibnall era as well.
All but yeah the steven moffat overall

(46:38):
like the the time that he was running the show has definitely been my
my new who at least yeah definitely yeah i
feel like his characterization of the doctor is we talked about this at length
and multiple other places but his characterization the doctor is is more on
on point i like i like the doctor to be a little bit more of an alien a little

(47:00):
bit less of a you know yeah but at the same time I think if you look at the,
if you compare the doctor in,
deep breath it's like his character has changed so much by the time you know
where he's he's good with kids he's you know he's reassuring he's got his speech
about kindness it's like yeah so.

(47:21):
He he pulled off kind of I think what John Nathan Turner was attempting to do
with the sixth doctor just did not the execution was just not there.
But I think that's the idea that they had was that, you know,
an examination of, you know, the doctor's character by the doctor himself.
Like you're coming coming to this, you know, kind of evaluating the character

(47:44):
by having the character evaluating himself.
You know, wonder who am I? And Series 8 leans into that really hard,
like with the, am I a good man thing? And that's kind of the whole- That's the theme of this.
But it certainly continues, and the character continues to grow as he discovers more about himself.

(48:05):
And I do think there's this nice logical through line to there being a moment
where there's the first female doctor comes subsequently to this doctor.
I think it just makes sense.
It's very nicely put together to the point where it starts. That's the last
thing that's nicely put together.
But it makes sense not to be too hard on the 13th Doctor era.

(48:34):
I just feel like, yeah, I don't like to beat up on it because I feel like it's
already a punching bag that gets too many.
Yeah, no comment.
Right, right, right, right. but yeah
so anyway it was a great watch
i i love the end of this like we were saying before
we started recording i feel like we should have done this

(48:56):
as a trilogy and included twice upon a time because it
just feels like it's it's the third chapter to this
story there's a journey that the doctor goes on between these
three and and leaving it off
was a bit of a kind of leaves the third chapter off
of this especially since the you know it kind of cliffhangers right
into it and yep but anyway we'll

(49:18):
leave that for another time do you
guys have any any more thoughts about the episode or
our favorite moments or just anything we
didn't touch on i know that a few of the
things that slightly irked me
about it was that i'm not
sure and obviously this isn't like
a science textbook but the whole thing about the

(49:41):
why they can't go straight up to the bridge didn't quite might hang together
at the end of it because you know this they're presumably still cybermen down
on the lower level so they'll make it up eventually so why couldn't they go to the bridge.

(50:01):
Because you'd have left the people undefended, Asad. You can't leave the people
undefended. Take them all up to the bridge is what I meant.
Abandon, evacuate them to the bridge rather than. They all evacuate to what?
Five levels up. Five levels up, yeah.
And I don't know if it has to do, like, if somebody gets on that elevator and
goes up, I mean, are they going to age five years or what?

(50:23):
Yeah, I don't know what effect that has upon. pod
maybe you can't go up maybe you can't go up hundreds of
levels at the same time without having some drastic effect on the
other thing that was without being you know enveloped in a cyber suit i don't
know i'm just making stuff up but some of the things i wonder about like whether
they got lost in editing or lost because of time is like for instance they have
a whole bunch of people that are still in the farmhouse and so all we see are

(50:48):
the children being evacuated and And Nardole's love interest.
So what happened to everyone else?
I just assumed that they got evacuated as well. And we just didn't see that. Yeah.
I assume also. I just in TV shows, I have a preference for them wrapping things

(51:09):
up, I guess, with a neat little bow as much as possible.
But again, like I said, we get that moment issues. it's
like it's like with the curse of the black spot where the
one pirate crew person sort of disappears and uh
you know i found out later that it was an editing
thing so yeah okay maybe there's

(51:29):
a director's cut version of this sitting around somewhere that
in 10 15 years time we'll be able to watch like
we can like curse of fendrick say and we can kind of go through
and fix all the continuity and you know not that
there's that many issues with that but i think it was the kind
of thing that would just make because this is a great story and
i think it was just something that would make it that much better yeah i mean

(51:49):
all of my complaints i have seen i seem kind of
churlish because overall the thing is so brilliant so
yeah and yet you're complaining anyway yes
we get closure we get closure when we
have you know we get to see the doctor and nardole
speak we get to see bill and nardole speak we get to see you
know they are they're all doing their their good goodbyes and

(52:10):
and then the doctor tells nardle to
take the people right so i think that that's that's
a moment of closure there you know you go and you take them and
you're going to take them and they're going to be safe and that's good
i'm not sure we need to see it we could have seen a little more than just a
few kids that they had but sure it's yeah i i am assured by that scene between

(52:32):
the doctor and nardle that that everybody made oh yeah yeah certainly i think
that was the The implication, I think, is certainly there. Yeah.
The doctor placed his faith in Nardole to do it. And so, so must we. Yeah.
And that's an interesting thing. I wasn't sure what I thought of that character.

(52:52):
And it's a great, kind of another great thing about this series is throughout
the series, he kind of grew on me to the point where I ended up really enjoying
him as a unconventional companion for sure.
And the yeah the last
moments in here with him are very sweet and
it's yeah lands that in a great place too like for

(53:14):
a series that Steven Moffat admittedly didn't really want to do I feel like
he kind of knocked it out of the park with this one oh series 10 was fantastic
it was like refreshed everything I don't know some of the things just seemed
refreshed and revitalized and is it all Pearl Mackey? maybe?
I don't think it hurts because There's a part of the problem with the Capaldi

(53:37):
era was was Clara and not that Clara was a bad character.
Jenna Coleman was it was a bad actress. Far from it.
But they kept running into the problem of they didn't know what to do with her
after they wrapped up the Impossible Girls storyline, you know, with Name of the Doctor.
And also Jenna Coleman wouldn't commit to actually leaving.
So she keeps getting an exit after an exit after an exit.

(53:58):
It and i have to admit i like the character but by the time
you know hell bent you know she finally goes
flying off in the diner at the end i was like good riddance yeah agreed
she should definitely have left and again like you said jenna
coleman's great clara's great but probably should
have left as initially planned yeah but

(54:19):
it's just something about pearl mackie as well there's a spunkiness there's
an energy to to that performance that she gives throughout her throughout the
entire season But it's fascinating watching her in this as well and her having
to basically do that whole five stages of grief across an episode. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This, it, it will go on to kind of, there's been an old,

(54:46):
a criticism of Steven Moffat that he can never let a character actually die.
And he, he, he does that again with, with Bill, but he sure drags her through
a lot of stuff in the, on the way.
Like that's cause not all, we get a happy, happy ish ending here,
but only after, you know, dragging her through like kind of the worst possible
torture and situation that.

(55:09):
You can imagine with being converted to a Cyberman, then having the Doctor fail
at being able to save her is, like, one of the biggest, like,
because we just all assumed that was going to happen. Right. And, yeah.
Yeah. It's, uh, yeah. And it ends in a tough place, but then,
yeah, she gets swept away into the stars by the pilot from the pilot episode

(55:35):
of the suit, aren't we? Yeah.
Yeah, so her love interest from the first, first episode but we get to revisit
her again though in in twice upon a time yeah just because.
But because stephen moffat can't say goodbye to a character,
well it was here i'm criticizing him i love i
love his stuff and i'm criticizing him but yeah i mean

(55:56):
the only reason twice upon a time happened was because chris jibnall
didn't want to start out with a christmas special right and that led
to some last minute handbrake turns you know
with the ending of this one in fact the opening
scene for world enough in
time was actually shot like the week or two weeks
before the episode went out because they actually filmed that during the open

(56:18):
while they were shooting twice upon a time yeah yeah so yeah so this was to
some extent they had to rework something that already existed but by jove you
know it works and And it's sort of a wonderful whole little thing in its own
right. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
Yeah. Yeah. It does make me sad we're not going to talk about Twice Upon a Time as well.

(56:39):
But we do get to see David Bradley as the first Doctor for just a moment at
the end of The Doctor Falls.
And yeah, I don't know. I remember that being just a really great moment.
And they did manage to keep that a secret.
Yes. which uh you know finally
made up for the the the flub with uh john sim

(56:59):
i guess being on a close and the cyberman and the
yes yeah close sets help with everything
yeah so i remember that being a really exciting moment of like what yes yeah
i i squeed like a little fangirl i am not ashamed i think we all did yeah yeah
and it's very clever that they since they had already done and used them for.

(57:24):
To play William Hartnell. Yeah. And he's gone on to keep playing the parts over
the years with Big Finish.
And for anybody who's not heard those first Doctor Adventures set with him and
the Adventure in Space and Time cast playing Ian, Barbara, and Susan,
those sets are all fantastic. I can't recommend them enough.
I've heard the first set, I believe. But yeah. We reviewed one set. Yeah.

(57:51):
Was it not the first one? No, it was the fourth.
Fifth i think fourth fourth one okay that's the
one i've heard go listen to the
rest they're amazing yeah i have to confess i was always a
little disappointed that and i can't remember the actor's name but whoever they
brought in to play patrick trutton for like a couple of minutes in an adventure
in time and space that they never then used him for an actual episode oh reese

(58:17):
shearsmith i think is who it was but i think that because there was a lot of criticism of his
Troughton well that's it's the
problem with trying to get somebody to play Patrick Troughton is that Patrick
Patrick Troughton unlike Hartnell where you know we
had interviews and stuff where people could look at him but you could also look
at how he played the doctor and kind of go oh this is who he was Troughton was

(58:39):
such a chameleon that it made it really difficult to kind of do that and Troughton
you know was notoriously interview shy for much of his life okay now so we don't
know who who the real Patrick Troughton was,
unless you knew him personally. Yeah. Like, no.
Yeah. Well, you guys have anything else on these episodes before we start to wind it down here?

(59:04):
No, they're fantastic stuff.
Yeah, I'm glad we got, you know, a good almost an hour here out of,
because sometimes when we all really like something, we're just like, yeah, it's really good.
Yeah. That's enough said, Mike.
Yeah. we need to randomize you to pick something really really bad oh don't don't tempt fate.

(59:27):
Because it may someday do do that
so it just happens to have been on a good run lately
yeah but i mean worst case scenario we
get converted into cyberman right yeah that's right
and then we won't have a little bit of a cyberman disappointed by
anything thing that's right yeah so absolutely
yeah so i guess we'll give this give this thing a grade and i think i'm gonna

(59:52):
be able to predict that we're all we're all gonna be pretty positive on this
one but yeah let's start with you matthew what are final thoughts and great
out of five stars for this one.
Oh, I mean, I reviewed this one at the time in 2017 on Vocal's Futurism pages, both episodes.
And I went back and I looked at those reviews earlier today before I watched this again.

(01:00:16):
And I have to say, I mostly stand by everything I said in 2017.
If anything, my opinion on these two has gone up over time.
And they're Capaldi episodes that, along with Heaven Sent and,
of all things, Empress of Mars, they're probably the Capaldi episodes I come back to the most.
And I think in some ways, it's just sort of a perfect encapsulation of the things

(01:00:40):
that made Capaldi's era what it is.
I've heard him described as the anti-nihilist doctor.
He's people who are sort of aware that the universe is terrible,
but feel like that gives you more reason to stand up and do the right thing
and to be a positive force.
And if there's a doctor who kind of encapsulates that, it's Capaldi in that
final episode and especially that big speech he gives.

(01:01:02):
So some very minor niggles aside, you know, in terms of some stuff that's not
wrapped up with a bow, but I think I will give it a full five stars,
or if I may, I will give it a full five handlebars.
Yes, like it. What about you, Asad? Yeah, no, I mean, you know,
like I said, God had those minor niggles, but those are extremely minor.

(01:01:24):
It's more like looking for something to complain about.
So it's fantastically written, fantastically performed, a whole bunch of memorable
speeches, the always be kind one. And so it's like, yeah, I too,
I think we'll go with a five.
And to be honest, probably also if and when we do Twice Upon a Time,

(01:01:48):
I'll probably also give that five as well.
Yeah. Yeah, no, this is brilliant stuff. I can't praise it enough.
Yeah, I'm right there with you. This rewatching this made me miss...
This this era of doctor who and and yeah like like you said just it's brilliantly written directed,

(01:02:08):
acted like i mean maybe a couple
little nitpicks if you really want to like find something wrong with
it but in general and especially for just general entertainment value it's it's
it's a five star episode i can't like i you know this is what this is right
there up there right up there with the people say like what are the you know
new who episodes what are some of the best ones to watch This is on that list, I think.

(01:02:34):
It's a great send-off for Peter Capaldi. You could kind of tell that it was
meant to be the send-off, even though we get an unintentional third chapter.
But talk about just really great, yeah, you said speeches and just,
I don't, again, I'm not trying to make the Chibnall era into a punching bag,
but I remember when Doctor Who used to be moving in the way that it was in this.

(01:02:58):
And I don't feel like that was accomplished very often, at least,
and throughout the more recent series.
And yeah, I kind of missed that. So I'm hoping I have high hopes for this,
the new series. So we'll see.
But yeah, five, five, five handlebars for me as well.
I think this is a great one. I'm really happy I got to rewatch it.

(01:03:20):
It's probably my third, third time through these and there will be many more
because it's that good of a good of an episode or story.
So here here yeah yeah suddenly leaves uh one more thing for us to do and hopefully
matthew didn't curse us by saying we're gonna get some and that's to see what

(01:03:40):
we're gonna let's check out next time and push the big red button on the machine
we call the randomizer and let's see what it is.
Music.
Next time we're going to be listening to a a
big finish box set the lives of captain jack

(01:04:01):
volume one so this is a it's not
technically part of the torchwood series it's just kind of
one of those worlds of doctor who out there on its own
captain jack harkness series so also
there is a comic strip called petals which is another doctor who adventures
one that i tacked onto this one so we'll see if we can track that down as well

(01:04:24):
but i will track it down hopefully i don't have to spend a lot of money on an
issue again but maybe we can record it live if we can,
figure the technicalities of it out yeah yeah if we can get together at tardis
yeah i mean we can do that so lives of captain jack volume one and pedals i
have probably i can listen to that on on my drive down to Chicago then. Yeah. Yeah.

(01:04:48):
It's probably just about long enough to get a whole box set in, so.
Yeah. I've got a 10, 10 and a half hour drive, but I may listen to it before
we ever, before I ever head up there, so.
Yeah. Well, great. Thank you guys, as always, for joining me.
It's always a pleasure. Always.
Especially watching something like this. Yeah.

(01:05:09):
It's definitely always fun when, and we've had like two in a row of like,
Like, I think just really solidly good stuff.
Like, I feel like that Blood and Steel box set is also just really solidly good stuff. Yeah.
We'll see if the lives of Captain Jack can live up to this.
But I have Big Finish. Big Finish always does great stuff, so hopefully it is.

(01:05:32):
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And let us know your thoughts. If you send us some feedback,

(01:06:16):
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Yeah, other than that, I'm going to sign off. And, yeah, this is the end,

(01:06:37):
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