March 4, 2025 • 33 mins
In this episode, your hosts reflect on the first season of Pop Pedagogy, discussing their favorite moments, teacher portrayals in the media they reviewed, and what elements of season one are staying and which are going . They express excitement for the upcoming season, highlighting new episodes and themes, and encourage listener engagement.
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class dismissed.
Remember how scary your first days at school are.
gonna teach us anything or are we just gonna sit here?
Welcome to Pop Pedagogy.
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Hey, Nicole.
Hey, Melissa.
How are It's good.
How are you?
I'm good, what are you snacking on?
Today I have some leftover manouche from brunch yesterday and I'm excited to eat that.
What is that made of?
I don't think I know.
Manousheh, it's like, I'm sure you've had it.
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It's like the Lebanese kind of pizza, like a flat bread with cheese and like, za'atar ontop.
Okay, okay, okay.
You might have heard the plural.
The plural is manaish.
Maybe.
And the singular is a manushe.
So I only have half.
So I guess I have no manushe.
What are you snacking on?
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that made me hungry now.
just have some dates.
Yeah, I went grocery shopping yesterday and that about like, shoot, I didn't really buysnacks.
I have to like get snack on fruit, which is a snack, but it's not really a snack.
So I'm really
Nice, nice.
But yeah, anyway, how are you feeling about the upcoming season of POP!
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Pedagogy?
We're about to launch season two and we thought that we could use this moment to just, youknow, review a little bit of what we saw on season one, what surprised us, what stood out.
So how are you feeling in general about jumping into season two?
excited.
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We have some really interesting episodes coming up on season two.
And I think that we have some really good input from listeners on, you know, what theyliked from season one.
And even our list of ideas for the future is quite long because, you know, so many peoplewere like, you should watch this or you should watch this.
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So we have a pretty long list of potential future episodes.
But this season we have some really
fun and exciting episodes that I'm really looking forward to.
Yeah, it's really funny how quickly time went by.
was, don't know, I feel like when we started finishing season one felt like so long and sofar into the future.
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And then it's like, should we do a second season?
And it's like, yeah, cool.
And here we are.
So yeah, it's really cool to see things from different points in time.
I enjoy that.
So should we do a quick recap of season one?
Like what are some of the media that we watched and what surprised you the most about, youknow, some of the teachers and or the schools that we cover.
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Yeah, for sure.
So season one, we watched the first episode, we watched the Prisoner of Azkaban, and welooked at Professor Luke Ben and whether or not he was a good teacher.
And I think we concluded he was.
Yeah, we were both pleasantly surprised at how good of a teacher he was, think, likepleasantly surprised, right?
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Like, I mean, you know that the movies that it's a movie that we were going to enjoy andstuff like that.
But we were like, actually, like he had a solid lesson plan and everything, no?
Yeah, yeah, we were super surprised.
I don't know when's the last time I saw that movie, maybe 2005 or whenever it came out.
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And in my head, he was not a great teacher.
He was like very put laying favorites and you know, that kind of stuff.
But then after watching it and like also seeing the other Hogwarts teachers and theirlessons, was like actually, it's like Professor Lupin should be headmaster.
Yeah, he can make a solid logical kind of like activity progression, you know.
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Yeah, like he has a lesson plan.
Like he has an actual lesson plan.
It's very clear he planned his lesson ahead of time.
Whereas like Hagrid's just like, here's the dangerous animal, go play with it.
literally.
We're gonna enjoy this.
you know?
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And Professor Trelawney is just like trauma dumping on children.
I don't know.
Hogwarts is not a premier educational institution.
I'd be interested to see what the other magical schools are like.
If they also just hire, hire Willy Nilly, whoever Dumbledore thinks should be part of theOrder of the Phoenix or, know.
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If any of them actually have like a teaching qualification, that would be nice.
Yeah.
It's been really, I enjoyed during season one, kind of like, know, when we were watchingthese like movies and TV shows and books and stuff like that, it was really fun because we
were like, so immersed in this world and like wondering like, you know, like, are theparents?
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What do the parents think about this?
know, like in the next movie that we watched, Sister Act 2.
it was like that, like it was cool because the world that it was depicting in the movie,you could see a little bit of that, what could be the motivations of parents to have the
kids there, you know, how important education was.
like, then you have, you know, Whoopi Wolbury, Sister Mary Clarence, they're trying tolike, you know, like kind of like embedded into that community or that spirit of community
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and just really channeling, you know, learning opportunities for, for change and kind oflike,
In her own particular style, right?
Yeah, and we really looked at like Sister Mary Clarion's as like the example of a teacherwithout any training just being thrust into like a classroom and you know what that can
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look like because you know she's also not a trained teacher she's a singer.
but she's with Yeah, working with teenagers and she I think because she's got like gritshe like deals with them really well like
She's on their level.
We talked a little bit about that, how she kind of doesn't, she sets up boundaries and shealso champions them to administration.
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I think we also talked about making the kids fundraise to save the school.
That was a bit inappropriate.
Let them fundraise, but don't tell them that if they don't make enough money, their schoolis going away.
Yeah, let them learn ownership of the school, of their learning community, but with a morepositive spin.
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Yeah, yeah.
And I think we saw something similar with El Profe where he did community-based learning.
think he didn't...
I don't know if he put it on the shoulder of the kids to save the school, but he involvedthem in it.
I don't know.
Can you remember if he told them that if they didn't help, the school would go away?
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No, guess it was they were trying to make the school better, but there wasn't I think likea looming risk.
Because I think that happened later, but there was because there was a point where hesends the kids to fundraise and he's also fundraising and he's just like, so passionate
about things like school as a community, but also like physical place.
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remember that that.
I didn't get the sense that he was putting a burden on the kids.
It felt more like he was giving them some ownership and some like helping them to love theschool by making it, making them feel like they were part of it.
Yeah, by making it important, like, like naming that this is important for us to have aschool and then in the adversity hits and they lose everything.
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He's like, okay, no matter what, like we can still gather, we can go to the countryside,this will be our school.
But there's always a kind of effort to make the physical place like cozy and, and, spacefor this kid.
But it was also very interesting how there were no.
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You little girls.
at all at all like my gosh yeah like
Even women, there were like three maybe women in the entire village who
like the love interest and then
the mom of the kid that slapped him.
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Right.
It was like, yeah, and then there was like the absent mom as well, like that sent the kidlike dirty and stuff like that.
That might be it.
I we might be forgetting someone, but that's pretty much it, right?
Like none of the boys even had sisters or anything.
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no.
There's something in the water in that milk.
It's all it's all boys.
But Kantian philosophy is like very famous and he's like a character.
he puts forward a character.
in this, I haven't seen any of his other films, but in this film, I thought he was verycompelling as a passionate educator.
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And I think he's probably, to me, out of the teachers we looked at this season, maybe thebest, one of the best.
I mean, if you put aside the like time period sexism,
of the film.
If you like put that aside, I think his pedagogical approach, his philosophy of educationis probably the best out of the teachers we reviewed.
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Cause it was, it was cool how the movie showed these bits and pieces of his stitching asbeing very much like inquiry based, right?
Like we're looking at, I don't know, what was it?
The lesson that they were covering, like Cristobal Colon and Christopher, arriving like,why did he come?
What did he take?
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And it was, it was like a little funny.
It was quite funny still, but there's this like.
bunch of reflection questions that he sends the kids to work on that are not just focusedon the facts, like, but what happened?
Like the so-whys, right?
And the whys.
That was really, really nice to see.
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And he was also very artistic, like play the piano.
was very into music.
They had their little theme song, you know.
Singing all the time.
had all of these rituals, right?
got the kids to serenade Hortensia for him.
That yes, child labor is...
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Yeah.
Yeah, we talked a little bit about that.
cool.
I think the one teacher that we were both surprised at how shocked we were at her methodswas Miss Honey from Matilda,
Yeah, I think it's kind of like the opposite of the loop in situation where like we had alike such a positive image of Miss Annie as a teacher because she has the vibe like she's
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got the good vibe and she's
It's also like the good teacher versus the bad teacher that is Tronchattoro, a trunchbull.
Yeah, that's, yeah, that was the image that I had of her character.
But you know, upon review, was super trauma bonded to Matilda.
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She did so many inappropriate things that in the real world, she probably could have evenmaybe gone to jail for like taking a kid home with you without telling anybody where
you're taking them.
She let Matilda fight her like a child.
Like Matilda is what?
Six, seven?
Yeah.
I forget how old she is in the movie, but like this is a small child.
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and she's like fighting battles for grown ass adults.
No, yeah, I was just looking at that movie with, I think, know, differently tintedglasses.
And then I even was wondering myself, I was asking myself, like, is this really that bad?
Like, it doesn't, you know, of course, the movie is like really nice, right?
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But yeah, like, if this were a person in the real world and she's taking her students,like her little students just for afternoon tea or whatever, yeah, it's not.
No, that's a huge red flag.
Yeah.
Like the favorite is the, we also talked about, you know, her inability to stand up to theabuse from Trunchbull.
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Where are the other teachers?
Aren't there like...
you know there was possibility to report abuse like she sees abuse Yeah, I'm miss trenchball.
She sees abuse from Matilda's parents and she doesn't take any responsibility to report itShe just thinks I'll just take this child home with me I guess you know so yeah, the world
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of Matilda is quite interesting, but I think like as a metaphor Miss honey and Matilda arevery interesting because they're like
opposites of each other, Like Matilda is very like adultified.
She, the way she speaks, the way she interacts with adults and Miss Honey is like verychildish.
She's like very immature.
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doesn't, you know, so they're like mirrors of each other, which I think is reallyinteresting.
But it, don't think people really reflect on that when they watch Matilda or engage withthe story of Matilda.
They just think like Miss Honey is a sweet teacher.
Matilda is a little girl who has some powers and like
they find each other in the end.
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It's true and it's nice, yeah, like once, like, yeah, like coming to these movies and thismedia, like from, you know, just examining teachers and pedagogies and all of that, it's,
yeah, there's so many more layers, as you're saying.
Yeah, yeah.
And then the last episode we did was on a book called A Deadly Education.
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It's an apt title because the school featured in the book, it's hard to survive it.
A lot of people don't live to graduate from the school, but we really looked at it as likea comparison to what AI and education could become.
Because essentially the school is basically like a magical algorithm that was set up likea hundred years
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prior to the start of the story.
And I thought it was really interesting looking at it from that lens and does it functionas a educational institution?
Because basically the algorithm is a little bit inefficient, I guess.
I don't know what the right word is for how like,
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alive you don't deserve to be in the outside world right like
right.
But because of some malfunctions in like the mechanical system of the school, the monsterscan still get in.
It's still safer than being outside in the real world, but the monsters can still get in.
So basically like everything the kids are learning is not necessarily from the likemagical algorithm that's been set up.
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It's because of experiential learning, guess, essentially and like the hidden...
That they have to fight, yeah.
the hidden curriculum.
And I think it was really interesting too to see how the students interact with each otherand how that affects like their learning outcomes.
although the way this we talked about this in the episode, but the way the school is setup, there aren't like group projects.
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is like very
individualistic as well.
There is no reason for them to work together except that they figured out that, you know,if they combine certain things and it gives them a fair chance.
Right.
that was part of like the curriculum.
It's like outside of the curriculum.
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Yeah, the design is not meant for them to bond or develop those kind of team bonds orcollaborative bonds.
And that was also something that kind of like echoed the way that AI is being applied ineducation.
It's all like about personalized learning and tutoring and all of that.
And the expectation is that, this will be in some cases and in some perspectives, ofcourse, right?
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But there is that, you know, like, if...
students are able to get like a personalized tutor and every single one of them isachieving all of these learning milestones.
yeah, teachers are going to be needed, an accessory or whatever.
Or in the best case scenarios, Like teacher does more of the social guidance and thecreativity and all of the things.
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But yeah, like in here it was like, shoot, this could go really wrong if,
left unsupervised in that I
It's quite interesting because the second and the third book go more into how the schoolwas set up and what it was meant to do and what happens after.
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without spoiling anything, the first book is more like setting up the world and showingyou how it works.
And then things happen in the second and third book.
I would be interested to, after you've read the next series, to have like...
maybe a small conversation about what you think about what happens to the school becauseit's quite interesting.
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No spoilers, but yeah, I'd be interested in what happens.
So, okay, so that was season one.
We had some really interesting conversations.
So any listeners who haven't listened to any of those episodes, you should go back andhave a listen because there's some really interesting topics that came up.
And also we created some resources to go along with each episode.
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So not the same amount for each one because like this is what we do in our free time.
But there are some lesson plans based off of what we saw the teachers doing or some for ElProfe, provided some English subtitles that you can upload if you want to watch the
previous recording.
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So there are some resources and we'll be creating more as we go because we're both
open educational advocates and we would love to also see if anyone out there would like tocreate some resources and put them under open licenses and share with us.
You can also put those on the website.
That'd be cool, yeah.
So it's been really cool to just encounter all of these ideas, these concepts throughreflecting on these movies, you know, as we mentioned.
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So what are we, do you want to talk a little bit about what we're keeping from season oneinto season two or what we're doing a little bit differently?
Yeah, sure.
So we kind of always start our episode with saying what we're snacking on because it'snice to snack when you watch a movie.
And so I think we'll keep that.
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It's like a good icebreaker for us to like get into it.
The other things that we're keeping are, you know, I can't remember if we said we're goingto keep the star system.
We said we were gonna lose it.
Yeah, because it was hard to keep track of it, you know?
Yeah, I think it'll be more of a reflection than an assessment.
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It's just, you know, it's just good.
works.
Yeah.
So I don't think we're going to be giving stars or demerits.
We'll just, do like a reflection at the end because also like, I think it's hard for usto, everybody kind of got like either gold stars or keep trying.
I don't think we gave anybody demerits.
We're too nice.
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Maybe we should pick like worst movies, you know, not the worst movies, but like movieswhere teachers are depicted in worse light.
I can't think of anything, but if there's anybody listening who wants to give a suggestionof like, oh, this teacher sucks, you should watch it.
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Yeah, I think we need more of those like really, really bad teachers.
I don't even think this season, maybe we will see some this season.
I think we might.
Okay, so that's it.
So we're keeping our stacks.
We're getting rid of the star system.
We'll just do some reflections at the end.
Is there anything else that we're like significantly keeping or changing from?
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Yeah, we're gonna, just like in season one, we're gonna stick to five, you know, episodeslike movie or movie slash TV shows.
It's going to be just movies and TV shows, right?
Like, so popular.
Yeah, this season we don't have anything else.
just have movies.
So yeah, so we're just focusing on five, just like last season, which was quite manageableand nice to like, yeah, think about what we were reflecting on, what we were watching
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before, yeah, before getting together and chatting about it.
So what makes you the most excited about season two now that we've, you know, gone throughthis review of season one and just kind of, you know.
feeling the excitement?
Is there anything in particular that you're looking forward to?
Yeah, I mean, I think we've got some really fun movies and series to watch this season.
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There's a couple that are cult classics.
So I think that will be fun.
I'm hoping for more listener engagement season two.
So I'd love to hear more feedback.
Or, know, do you like it?
Do you hate it?
What do you think about the teachers that we're depicting or the movies?
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I think that would be super cool.
And I think...
I'm excited to maybe come across some new, like some, how do I want to say it?
Like there's a, there was a couple of times when we were discussing in season one that Iwas like, that's interesting.
I want to learn more about that.
think specifically when we were talking about Miss Honey and we were unsure of likeresources for teachers around not like just trauma, trauma informed teaching, but like
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managing your own trauma as a teacher.
And so like that made me go, actually found some resources on that.
So.
I can link those on the website if anyone's interested because I was also unsure.
I hadn't come across much on like, I had come across a lot on like supporting traumatizedstudents, but not on like if you to
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trauma.
I'm aware of how your own trauma and like, guess like there is some, some, some trainingsare like prejudices and stuff like that.
Right.
But yeah, like how you're very, very deeply personal experiences can impact in your, inyour teaching and the way that you show up with your, with your students.
Yeah.
I remember, I remember we talked about that.
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Yeah, so I'm looking forward to like more moments.
We talk about something that's like, want to know more about that and like go down, godown a rabbit hole because it's always fun.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, I'm excited for the geographical expansion.
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These five episodes of these five movies slash TV shows, because I feel like it reflectsthe effort that we tried to make about, you know, keeping things not so US centric or
Hollywood dominated, which is what a lot of us, you know, have grown up with.
So yeah, so I'm really appreciate.
geographical diversity of this season that's coming up.
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look forward to watching this.
I haven't, I haven't seen, I've only seen like maybe, no, no, no, I've seen like, no, twoand a little bit of these movies slash TV shows.
yeah, thanks for me too.
I've only seen one and like a quarter.
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One and a quarter maybe.
Because like two of them are TV series.
I've seen one episode of each TV series.
And then one of the movies.
The other movies I've never seen.
And like one of them I probably should have...
Yeah, no, I have never seen Dead Poets Society.
I know.
I'm sure I've seen it.
know I'm a but I don't remember it like, you cause it was like when I was a teenager,probably.
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I've seen it.
I have seen clips of it.
I've seen like, of course I've seen the pinnacle, Oh Captain, my captain moment.
Yeah.
I have not watched the whole movie.
The only one I've seen is the whole of RAW, which is our first movie we're doing.
So maybe we should talk about what we're doing, what we're doing this season and, um, youknow, when people can expect to, to see episodes, uh, get published.
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the first.
episode we're doing is School of Rock and we'll be asking the question is Mr.
Schneebly teacher or whoever Jack Black's character's name is pretending to be Mr.
Schneebly, is he a good teacher?
And that will be coming out on April 7th.
So this episode's coming out a bit early and the next episode will be published on April7th and then every two weeks we're going to be publishing an episode.
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So after School of Rock, we're doing a Korean drama, which is super exciting, called BlackDog.
And there's a subtitle to that.
What's the subtitle?
Black Dog Life of a Teacher or something like that?
yeah.
I can see it, black dog being a teacher.
Being a teacher, yeah.
So we're going to be doing some...
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story of school teachers showing the actual incidents and happenings they face.
Yeah, and when we were reading the episodes, the snippets of what each episode has andchoosing which episode we're going to look at, it seems like a really interesting series.
might get, after watching one episode, I might get into it and probably finish the series.
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So the episode we're going to be watching and talking about is episode two.
And the snippet says, as the new semester kicks off, Hanyul
becomes overloaded with working for two departments simultaneously.
We've all been there.
At the same time, she quarrels with her curriculum partner, Kim E-Boon, who is known forbeing an oddball.
So that should be a very interesting episode with a lot of probably like experiences wehave all lived as educators.
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It sounds like a very realistic scenario.
So that will be interesting to watch.
Yeah, for sure.
And then the next episode is going to be Dead Poets Society.
No, I'm excited to watch it because it's like, yeah, classic.
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how can I have never seen Dead Poets Society?
So it will put Captain, my captain in context for me.
So that one will be, I think that one will be an interesting one to see if do we reallythink his teaching methods are that good or, you know, for the time period the movie is
set in, because I think it's also set in like what the four thirties or the forties orsomething.
Actually, I don't know much about this movie other than remember.
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Other than that.
Peace.
I don't know, okay, we have to look it up.
We'll have to talk about it.
But anyway, yay.
when the note comes, we'll have the
This tells you like how much we know about this cult classic movie about, you know, aboutinspirational.
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Isn't it?
It's like the blueprint for like teacher and spo kind of movies, right?
Like, so that one would be a good one.
And then after that, we're going to do a series.
It's on Netflix called Arabic.
Al-Rawabi School for Girls.
And we'll be asking, is Al-Rawabi a good school for girls?
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And this series has two seasons now, but we're only going to be watching one episode fromseason one.
The series is really around bullying in schools and what that looks like and how schoolsdeal with it.
So we'll be watching an episode where the administrators try to respond to the bullyingthat's going on and kind of look at how that happens.
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the context of how that's happening and, you know, what we think about how they handle it.
And I think that would be quite an interesting one.
And do you want to say what the last episode is going to be?
Yeah.
So we're gonna, we thought it would be fun to start with like, you know, School of Rock,which is super funny, like a funny movie.
then close up with also like something more on the comedy side.
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And we're going to be watching an episode from Abbott Elementary.
And the question is, is Janine Teigs a good teacher?
And the episode summary says when a new computer program is introduced at AbbottElementary, Janine is excited to finally.
held Barbara out with something.
However, Barbara is reluctant to accept change and finds herself in a tricky situationwhen she decides to lie about her students' results rather than admit defeat.
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yeah, we were thinking it would be nice to look at how teachers respond when newtechnology is integrated in the classroom and all of these nuances about how we are facing
this at tech.
kind of initiatives.
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yeah, it will be funny and it will also, I think, lead to really cool reflections.
just like the Deadly Education book made us think about AI last season, I think this willbe also along those lines.
And that seems to be the whole season.
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That will be it.
Yeah, I think that's a really good episode or series to do as our final episode.
Hopefully it will be funny and show us, know, especially because I think AbbottElementary, I've only ever seen one episode of Abbott Elementary.
I think sometimes it's hard for me to like, I know people are really into that show, but Idon't know, as a teacher sometimes I'm too like involved in like nitpicking whether it's
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realistic or not.
Especially after we started doing these like
reflections.
So sometimes it's hard for me to watch these shows just for fun without being like, youknow, critical.
So I haven't really gotten into Abbott Elementary, but maybe I will after this episode.
Yeah, maybe.
I've also watched a couple of episodes a couple of times, but like very randomly and veryloose.
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I think it's funny.
I mean, like you were saying, you know, like we do this podcast in our free time.
So it has to be something that stays fun for us, like and engaging.
so like, yeah, I want to watch media that is entertaining.
And if it's funny, like even better, right.
Yeah.
And I think this episode particularly will be like, we'll probably like the two of us willbe able to have some interesting commentary on it because a lot of our work together in
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the past has been around helping introduce new technology to teachers.
So I think we'll probably have some cool insights to share around, you know, ourexperiences with that.
But that's, that's it.
That's the recap of season one and what's coming for season two.
So I hope everyone will tune in and engage and share, participate.
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Education is about interaction and contribution and participation.
So yeah, so join us and also let us know what movies you want to see for future seasons.
We have a list, but I think especially like international media and like where we can findit, like not just the name.
that.
Yeah, yeah, like where can we watch that?
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Like is it streaming somewhere?
Is it, yeah, like what platform is it streaming?
Blah, blah, blah.
It's helpful because it's sometimes hard to find things on streaming platforms that arenot Hollywood.
Yeah.
for sure.
anyway, well, thanks for doing season two with me, Melissa.
It's gonna be so much fun.
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Thank you, Nicole.
Thank you for inviting me.
And yeah, we'll be in touch again in a month with the next episode where we'll talk aboutSchool of Rock.
See you there!
Bye, care, bye!
...
class dismissed.
Remember how scary your first days at school are.
gonna teach us anything or are we just gonna sit here?
Welcome to Pop Pedagogy.
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Hey, Nicole.
Hey, Melissa.
How are It's good.
How are you?
I'm good, what are you snacking on?
Today I have some leftover manouche from brunch yesterday and I'm excited to eat that.
What is that made of?
I don't think I know.
Manousheh, it's like, I'm sure you've had it.
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It's like the Lebanese kind of pizza, like a flat bread with cheese and like, za'atar ontop.
Okay, okay, okay.
You might have heard the plural.
The plural is manaish.
Maybe.
And the singular is a manushe.
So I only have half.
So I guess I have no manushe.
What are you snacking on?
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that made me hungry now.
just have some dates.
Yeah, I went grocery shopping yesterday and that about like, shoot, I didn't really buysnacks.
I have to like get snack on fruit, which is a snack, but it's not really a snack.
So I'm really
Nice, nice.
But yeah, anyway, how are you feeling about the upcoming season of POP!
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Pedagogy?
We're about to launch season two and we thought that we could use this moment to just, youknow, review a little bit of what we saw on season one, what surprised us, what stood out.
So how are you feeling in general about jumping into season two?
excited.
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We have some really interesting episodes coming up on season two.
And I think that we have some really good input from listeners on, you know, what theyliked from season one.
And even our list of ideas for the future is quite long because, you know, so many peoplewere like, you should watch this or you should watch this.
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So we have a pretty long list of potential future episodes.
But this season we have some really
fun and exciting episodes that I'm really looking forward to.
Yeah, it's really funny how quickly time went by.
was, don't know, I feel like when we started finishing season one felt like so long and sofar into the future.
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And then it's like, should we do a second season?
And it's like, yeah, cool.
And here we are.
So yeah, it's really cool to see things from different points in time.
I enjoy that.
So should we do a quick recap of season one?
Like what are some of the media that we watched and what surprised you the most about, youknow, some of the teachers and or the schools that we cover.
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Yeah, for sure.
So season one, we watched the first episode, we watched the Prisoner of Azkaban, and welooked at Professor Luke Ben and whether or not he was a good teacher.
And I think we concluded he was.
Yeah, we were both pleasantly surprised at how good of a teacher he was, think, likepleasantly surprised, right?
(03:27):
Like, I mean, you know that the movies that it's a movie that we were going to enjoy andstuff like that.
But we were like, actually, like he had a solid lesson plan and everything, no?
Yeah, yeah, we were super surprised.
I don't know when's the last time I saw that movie, maybe 2005 or whenever it came out.
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And in my head, he was not a great teacher.
He was like very put laying favorites and you know, that kind of stuff.
But then after watching it and like also seeing the other Hogwarts teachers and theirlessons, was like actually, it's like Professor Lupin should be headmaster.
Yeah, he can make a solid logical kind of like activity progression, you know.
(04:12):
Yeah, like he has a lesson plan.
Like he has an actual lesson plan.
It's very clear he planned his lesson ahead of time.
Whereas like Hagrid's just like, here's the dangerous animal, go play with it.
literally.
We're gonna enjoy this.
you know?
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And Professor Trelawney is just like trauma dumping on children.
I don't know.
Hogwarts is not a premier educational institution.
I'd be interested to see what the other magical schools are like.
If they also just hire, hire Willy Nilly, whoever Dumbledore thinks should be part of theOrder of the Phoenix or, know.
(04:54):
If any of them actually have like a teaching qualification, that would be nice.
Yeah.
It's been really, I enjoyed during season one, kind of like, know, when we were watchingthese like movies and TV shows and books and stuff like that, it was really fun because we
were like, so immersed in this world and like wondering like, you know, like, are theparents?
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What do the parents think about this?
know, like in the next movie that we watched, Sister Act 2.
it was like that, like it was cool because the world that it was depicting in the movie,you could see a little bit of that, what could be the motivations of parents to have the
kids there, you know, how important education was.
like, then you have, you know, Whoopi Wolbury, Sister Mary Clarence, they're trying tolike, you know, like kind of like embedded into that community or that spirit of community
(05:51):
and just really channeling, you know, learning opportunities for, for change and kind oflike,
In her own particular style, right?
Yeah, and we really looked at like Sister Mary Clarion's as like the example of a teacherwithout any training just being thrust into like a classroom and you know what that can
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look like because you know she's also not a trained teacher she's a singer.
but she's with Yeah, working with teenagers and she I think because she's got like gritshe like deals with them really well like
She's on their level.
We talked a little bit about that, how she kind of doesn't, she sets up boundaries and shealso champions them to administration.
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I think we also talked about making the kids fundraise to save the school.
That was a bit inappropriate.
Let them fundraise, but don't tell them that if they don't make enough money, their schoolis going away.
Yeah, let them learn ownership of the school, of their learning community, but with a morepositive spin.
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Yeah, yeah.
And I think we saw something similar with El Profe where he did community-based learning.
think he didn't...
I don't know if he put it on the shoulder of the kids to save the school, but he involvedthem in it.
I don't know.
Can you remember if he told them that if they didn't help, the school would go away?
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No, guess it was they were trying to make the school better, but there wasn't I think likea looming risk.
Because I think that happened later, but there was because there was a point where hesends the kids to fundraise and he's also fundraising and he's just like, so passionate
about things like school as a community, but also like physical place.
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remember that that.
I didn't get the sense that he was putting a burden on the kids.
It felt more like he was giving them some ownership and some like helping them to love theschool by making it, making them feel like they were part of it.
Yeah, by making it important, like, like naming that this is important for us to have aschool and then in the adversity hits and they lose everything.
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He's like, okay, no matter what, like we can still gather, we can go to the countryside,this will be our school.
But there's always a kind of effort to make the physical place like cozy and, and, spacefor this kid.
But it was also very interesting how there were no.
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You little girls.
at all at all like my gosh yeah like
Even women, there were like three maybe women in the entire village who
like the love interest and then
the mom of the kid that slapped him.
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Right.
It was like, yeah, and then there was like the absent mom as well, like that sent the kidlike dirty and stuff like that.
That might be it.
I we might be forgetting someone, but that's pretty much it, right?
Like none of the boys even had sisters or anything.
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no.
There's something in the water in that milk.
It's all it's all boys.
But Kantian philosophy is like very famous and he's like a character.
he puts forward a character.
in this, I haven't seen any of his other films, but in this film, I thought he was verycompelling as a passionate educator.
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And I think he's probably, to me, out of the teachers we looked at this season, maybe thebest, one of the best.
I mean, if you put aside the like time period sexism,
of the film.
If you like put that aside, I think his pedagogical approach, his philosophy of educationis probably the best out of the teachers we reviewed.
(10:02):
Cause it was, it was cool how the movie showed these bits and pieces of his stitching asbeing very much like inquiry based, right?
Like we're looking at, I don't know, what was it?
The lesson that they were covering, like Cristobal Colon and Christopher, arriving like,why did he come?
What did he take?
(10:23):
And it was, it was like a little funny.
It was quite funny still, but there's this like.
bunch of reflection questions that he sends the kids to work on that are not just focusedon the facts, like, but what happened?
Like the so-whys, right?
And the whys.
That was really, really nice to see.
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And he was also very artistic, like play the piano.
was very into music.
They had their little theme song, you know.
Singing all the time.
had all of these rituals, right?
got the kids to serenade Hortensia for him.
That yes, child labor is...
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Yeah.
Yeah, we talked a little bit about that.
cool.
I think the one teacher that we were both surprised at how shocked we were at her methodswas Miss Honey from Matilda,
Yeah, I think it's kind of like the opposite of the loop in situation where like we had alike such a positive image of Miss Annie as a teacher because she has the vibe like she's
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got the good vibe and she's
It's also like the good teacher versus the bad teacher that is Tronchattoro, a trunchbull.
Yeah, that's, yeah, that was the image that I had of her character.
But you know, upon review, was super trauma bonded to Matilda.
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She did so many inappropriate things that in the real world, she probably could have evenmaybe gone to jail for like taking a kid home with you without telling anybody where
you're taking them.
She let Matilda fight her like a child.
Like Matilda is what?
Six, seven?
Yeah.
I forget how old she is in the movie, but like this is a small child.
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and she's like fighting battles for grown ass adults.
No, yeah, I was just looking at that movie with, I think, know, differently tintedglasses.
And then I even was wondering myself, I was asking myself, like, is this really that bad?
Like, it doesn't, you know, of course, the movie is like really nice, right?
(12:41):
But yeah, like, if this were a person in the real world and she's taking her students,like her little students just for afternoon tea or whatever, yeah, it's not.
No, that's a huge red flag.
Yeah.
Like the favorite is the, we also talked about, you know, her inability to stand up to theabuse from Trunchbull.
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Where are the other teachers?
Aren't there like...
you know there was possibility to report abuse like she sees abuse Yeah, I'm miss trenchball.
She sees abuse from Matilda's parents and she doesn't take any responsibility to report itShe just thinks I'll just take this child home with me I guess you know so yeah, the world
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of Matilda is quite interesting, but I think like as a metaphor Miss honey and Matilda arevery interesting because they're like
opposites of each other, Like Matilda is very like adultified.
She, the way she speaks, the way she interacts with adults and Miss Honey is like verychildish.
She's like very immature.
(13:48):
doesn't, you know, so they're like mirrors of each other, which I think is reallyinteresting.
But it, don't think people really reflect on that when they watch Matilda or engage withthe story of Matilda.
They just think like Miss Honey is a sweet teacher.
Matilda is a little girl who has some powers and like
they find each other in the end.
(14:09):
It's true and it's nice, yeah, like once, like, yeah, like coming to these movies and thismedia, like from, you know, just examining teachers and pedagogies and all of that, it's,
yeah, there's so many more layers, as you're saying.
Yeah, yeah.
And then the last episode we did was on a book called A Deadly Education.
(14:30):
It's an apt title because the school featured in the book, it's hard to survive it.
A lot of people don't live to graduate from the school, but we really looked at it as likea comparison to what AI and education could become.
Because essentially the school is basically like a magical algorithm that was set up likea hundred years
(14:53):
prior to the start of the story.
And I thought it was really interesting looking at it from that lens and does it functionas a educational institution?
Because basically the algorithm is a little bit inefficient, I guess.
I don't know what the right word is for how like,
(15:14):
alive you don't deserve to be in the outside world right like
right.
But because of some malfunctions in like the mechanical system of the school, the monsterscan still get in.
It's still safer than being outside in the real world, but the monsters can still get in.
So basically like everything the kids are learning is not necessarily from the likemagical algorithm that's been set up.
(15:39):
It's because of experiential learning, guess, essentially and like the hidden...
That they have to fight, yeah.
the hidden curriculum.
And I think it was really interesting too to see how the students interact with each otherand how that affects like their learning outcomes.
although the way this we talked about this in the episode, but the way the school is setup, there aren't like group projects.
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is like very
individualistic as well.
There is no reason for them to work together except that they figured out that, you know,if they combine certain things and it gives them a fair chance.
Right.
that was part of like the curriculum.
It's like outside of the curriculum.
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Yeah, the design is not meant for them to bond or develop those kind of team bonds orcollaborative bonds.
And that was also something that kind of like echoed the way that AI is being applied ineducation.
It's all like about personalized learning and tutoring and all of that.
And the expectation is that, this will be in some cases and in some perspectives, ofcourse, right?
(16:45):
But there is that, you know, like, if...
students are able to get like a personalized tutor and every single one of them isachieving all of these learning milestones.
yeah, teachers are going to be needed, an accessory or whatever.
Or in the best case scenarios, Like teacher does more of the social guidance and thecreativity and all of the things.
(17:10):
But yeah, like in here it was like, shoot, this could go really wrong if,
left unsupervised in that I
It's quite interesting because the second and the third book go more into how the schoolwas set up and what it was meant to do and what happens after.
(17:33):
without spoiling anything, the first book is more like setting up the world and showingyou how it works.
And then things happen in the second and third book.
I would be interested to, after you've read the next series, to have like...
maybe a small conversation about what you think about what happens to the school becauseit's quite interesting.
(17:59):
No spoilers, but yeah, I'd be interested in what happens.
So, okay, so that was season one.
We had some really interesting conversations.
So any listeners who haven't listened to any of those episodes, you should go back andhave a listen because there's some really interesting topics that came up.
And also we created some resources to go along with each episode.
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So not the same amount for each one because like this is what we do in our free time.
But there are some lesson plans based off of what we saw the teachers doing or some for ElProfe, provided some English subtitles that you can upload if you want to watch the
previous recording.
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So there are some resources and we'll be creating more as we go because we're both
open educational advocates and we would love to also see if anyone out there would like tocreate some resources and put them under open licenses and share with us.
You can also put those on the website.
That'd be cool, yeah.
So it's been really cool to just encounter all of these ideas, these concepts throughreflecting on these movies, you know, as we mentioned.
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So what are we, do you want to talk a little bit about what we're keeping from season oneinto season two or what we're doing a little bit differently?
Yeah, sure.
So we kind of always start our episode with saying what we're snacking on because it'snice to snack when you watch a movie.
And so I think we'll keep that.
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It's like a good icebreaker for us to like get into it.
The other things that we're keeping are, you know, I can't remember if we said we're goingto keep the star system.
We said we were gonna lose it.
Yeah, because it was hard to keep track of it, you know?
Yeah, I think it'll be more of a reflection than an assessment.
(20:02):
It's just, you know, it's just good.
works.
Yeah.
So I don't think we're going to be giving stars or demerits.
We'll just, do like a reflection at the end because also like, I think it's hard for usto, everybody kind of got like either gold stars or keep trying.
I don't think we gave anybody demerits.
We're too nice.
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Maybe we should pick like worst movies, you know, not the worst movies, but like movieswhere teachers are depicted in worse light.
I can't think of anything, but if there's anybody listening who wants to give a suggestionof like, oh, this teacher sucks, you should watch it.
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Yeah, I think we need more of those like really, really bad teachers.
I don't even think this season, maybe we will see some this season.
I think we might.
Okay, so that's it.
So we're keeping our stacks.
We're getting rid of the star system.
We'll just do some reflections at the end.
Is there anything else that we're like significantly keeping or changing from?
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Yeah, we're gonna, just like in season one, we're gonna stick to five, you know, episodeslike movie or movie slash TV shows.
It's going to be just movies and TV shows, right?
Like, so popular.
Yeah, this season we don't have anything else.
just have movies.
So yeah, so we're just focusing on five, just like last season, which was quite manageableand nice to like, yeah, think about what we were reflecting on, what we were watching
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before, yeah, before getting together and chatting about it.
So what makes you the most excited about season two now that we've, you know, gone throughthis review of season one and just kind of, you know.
feeling the excitement?
Is there anything in particular that you're looking forward to?
Yeah, I mean, I think we've got some really fun movies and series to watch this season.
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There's a couple that are cult classics.
So I think that will be fun.
I'm hoping for more listener engagement season two.
So I'd love to hear more feedback.
Or, know, do you like it?
Do you hate it?
What do you think about the teachers that we're depicting or the movies?
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I think that would be super cool.
And I think...
I'm excited to maybe come across some new, like some, how do I want to say it?
Like there's a, there was a couple of times when we were discussing in season one that Iwas like, that's interesting.
I want to learn more about that.
think specifically when we were talking about Miss Honey and we were unsure of likeresources for teachers around not like just trauma, trauma informed teaching, but like
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managing your own trauma as a teacher.
And so like that made me go, actually found some resources on that.
So.
I can link those on the website if anyone's interested because I was also unsure.
I hadn't come across much on like, I had come across a lot on like supporting traumatizedstudents, but not on like if you to
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trauma.
I'm aware of how your own trauma and like, guess like there is some, some, some trainingsare like prejudices and stuff like that.
Right.
But yeah, like how you're very, very deeply personal experiences can impact in your, inyour teaching and the way that you show up with your, with your students.
Yeah.
I remember, I remember we talked about that.
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Yeah, so I'm looking forward to like more moments.
We talk about something that's like, want to know more about that and like go down, godown a rabbit hole because it's always fun.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, I'm excited for the geographical expansion.
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These five episodes of these five movies slash TV shows, because I feel like it reflectsthe effort that we tried to make about, you know, keeping things not so US centric or
Hollywood dominated, which is what a lot of us, you know, have grown up with.
So yeah, so I'm really appreciate.
geographical diversity of this season that's coming up.
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look forward to watching this.
I haven't, I haven't seen, I've only seen like maybe, no, no, no, I've seen like, no, twoand a little bit of these movies slash TV shows.
yeah, thanks for me too.
I've only seen one and like a quarter.
(24:33):
One and a quarter maybe.
Because like two of them are TV series.
I've seen one episode of each TV series.
And then one of the movies.
The other movies I've never seen.
And like one of them I probably should have...
Yeah, no, I have never seen Dead Poets Society.
I know.
I'm sure I've seen it.
know I'm a but I don't remember it like, you cause it was like when I was a teenager,probably.
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I've seen it.
I have seen clips of it.
I've seen like, of course I've seen the pinnacle, Oh Captain, my captain moment.
Yeah.
I have not watched the whole movie.
The only one I've seen is the whole of RAW, which is our first movie we're doing.
So maybe we should talk about what we're doing, what we're doing this season and, um, youknow, when people can expect to, to see episodes, uh, get published.
(25:29):
the first.
episode we're doing is School of Rock and we'll be asking the question is Mr.
Schneebly teacher or whoever Jack Black's character's name is pretending to be Mr.
Schneebly, is he a good teacher?
And that will be coming out on April 7th.
So this episode's coming out a bit early and the next episode will be published on April7th and then every two weeks we're going to be publishing an episode.
(25:55):
So after School of Rock, we're doing a Korean drama, which is super exciting, called BlackDog.
And there's a subtitle to that.
What's the subtitle?
Black Dog Life of a Teacher or something like that?
yeah.
I can see it, black dog being a teacher.
Being a teacher, yeah.
So we're going to be doing some...
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story of school teachers showing the actual incidents and happenings they face.
Yeah, and when we were reading the episodes, the snippets of what each episode has andchoosing which episode we're going to look at, it seems like a really interesting series.
might get, after watching one episode, I might get into it and probably finish the series.
(26:42):
So the episode we're going to be watching and talking about is episode two.
And the snippet says, as the new semester kicks off, Hanyul
becomes overloaded with working for two departments simultaneously.
We've all been there.
At the same time, she quarrels with her curriculum partner, Kim E-Boon, who is known forbeing an oddball.
So that should be a very interesting episode with a lot of probably like experiences wehave all lived as educators.
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It sounds like a very realistic scenario.
So that will be interesting to watch.
Yeah, for sure.
And then the next episode is going to be Dead Poets Society.
No, I'm excited to watch it because it's like, yeah, classic.
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how can I have never seen Dead Poets Society?
So it will put Captain, my captain in context for me.
So that one will be, I think that one will be an interesting one to see if do we reallythink his teaching methods are that good or, you know, for the time period the movie is
set in, because I think it's also set in like what the four thirties or the forties orsomething.
Actually, I don't know much about this movie other than remember.
(27:50):
Other than that.
Peace.
I don't know, okay, we have to look it up.
We'll have to talk about it.
But anyway, yay.
when the note comes, we'll have the
This tells you like how much we know about this cult classic movie about, you know, aboutinspirational.
(28:12):
Isn't it?
It's like the blueprint for like teacher and spo kind of movies, right?
Like, so that one would be a good one.
And then after that, we're going to do a series.
It's on Netflix called Arabic.
Al-Rawabi School for Girls.
And we'll be asking, is Al-Rawabi a good school for girls?
(28:34):
And this series has two seasons now, but we're only going to be watching one episode fromseason one.
The series is really around bullying in schools and what that looks like and how schoolsdeal with it.
So we'll be watching an episode where the administrators try to respond to the bullyingthat's going on and kind of look at how that happens.
(28:58):
the context of how that's happening and, you know, what we think about how they handle it.
And I think that would be quite an interesting one.
And do you want to say what the last episode is going to be?
Yeah.
So we're gonna, we thought it would be fun to start with like, you know, School of Rock,which is super funny, like a funny movie.
then close up with also like something more on the comedy side.
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And we're going to be watching an episode from Abbott Elementary.
And the question is, is Janine Teigs a good teacher?
And the episode summary says when a new computer program is introduced at AbbottElementary, Janine is excited to finally.
held Barbara out with something.
However, Barbara is reluctant to accept change and finds herself in a tricky situationwhen she decides to lie about her students' results rather than admit defeat.
(29:50):
yeah, we were thinking it would be nice to look at how teachers respond when newtechnology is integrated in the classroom and all of these nuances about how we are facing
this at tech.
kind of initiatives.
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yeah, it will be funny and it will also, I think, lead to really cool reflections.
just like the Deadly Education book made us think about AI last season, I think this willbe also along those lines.
And that seems to be the whole season.
(30:34):
That will be it.
Yeah, I think that's a really good episode or series to do as our final episode.
Hopefully it will be funny and show us, know, especially because I think AbbottElementary, I've only ever seen one episode of Abbott Elementary.
I think sometimes it's hard for me to like, I know people are really into that show, but Idon't know, as a teacher sometimes I'm too like involved in like nitpicking whether it's
(30:58):
realistic or not.
Especially after we started doing these like
reflections.
So sometimes it's hard for me to watch these shows just for fun without being like, youknow, critical.
So I haven't really gotten into Abbott Elementary, but maybe I will after this episode.
Yeah, maybe.
I've also watched a couple of episodes a couple of times, but like very randomly and veryloose.
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I think it's funny.
I mean, like you were saying, you know, like we do this podcast in our free time.
So it has to be something that stays fun for us, like and engaging.
so like, yeah, I want to watch media that is entertaining.
And if it's funny, like even better, right.
Yeah.
And I think this episode particularly will be like, we'll probably like the two of us willbe able to have some interesting commentary on it because a lot of our work together in
(31:50):
the past has been around helping introduce new technology to teachers.
So I think we'll probably have some cool insights to share around, you know, ourexperiences with that.
But that's, that's it.
That's the recap of season one and what's coming for season two.
So I hope everyone will tune in and engage and share, participate.
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Education is about interaction and contribution and participation.
So yeah, so join us and also let us know what movies you want to see for future seasons.
We have a list, but I think especially like international media and like where we can findit, like not just the name.
that.
Yeah, yeah, like where can we watch that?
(32:36):
Like is it streaming somewhere?
Is it, yeah, like what platform is it streaming?
Blah, blah, blah.
It's helpful because it's sometimes hard to find things on streaming platforms that arenot Hollywood.
Yeah.
for sure.
anyway, well, thanks for doing season two with me, Melissa.
It's gonna be so much fun.
(32:57):
Thank you, Nicole.
Thank you for inviting me.
And yeah, we'll be in touch again in a month with the next episode where we'll talk aboutSchool of Rock.
See you there!
Bye, care, bye!
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
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