May 4, 2025 • 56 mins
The Witch Movie Project: Analyzing 'Return to Oz' and 'Hereditary'
Join Just Blane and Courtney in the final episode of The Witch Movie Project as they dive into two cult classics: 'Return to Oz' and 'Hereditary.' They discuss the origins and impact of these films, unique elements, and behind-the-scenes facts, such as the highest body count in 'Return to Oz' and Toni Collette's mesmerizing performance in 'Hereditary.' This episode also explores the recurring themes and symbols related to witches and cults, giving viewers an in-depth look at these nightmarish narratives. Special location: the cemetery where 'Hereditary' was filmed, adding a spooky atmosphere to this insightful discussion.
00:00 Introduction to the Witch Movie Project
01:50 Favorite Witch Movies Discussion
03:42 Return to Oz: A Creepy Classic
06:16 Behind the Scenes of Return to Oz
16:55 Hereditary: A Family Horror
28:26 Exploring Charlie's Abnormalities
29:26 The Iconic Sound of Horror
30:33 Psychological Thrillers vs. Classic Horror
31:53 Annie's Miniature Art and Family Dysfunction
34:12 Charlie's Allergic Reaction and Tragic Accident
38:17 The Supernatural and Cult Elements
47:52 The Climax and Possession
53:11 Final Thoughts and Future Plans
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(00:18):
Alright, howdy folks.
I am Just Blane, Bob Briggs.
You Most of you don't know whoJoe Bob Briggs is, so you sure
as hell don't know who I am.
Right?
But hey, we're having fun, andthis is the Witch Movie Project.
Me and Courtney put this thingtogether about six months ago or so.
Oh yeah.
Started talking aboutthis, and it just happened.
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I got roped in.
She got roped in.
It wasn't hard, because all we didwas really talk about a bunch of witch
movies, and she is Daybreak's local witch.
So it was very easy for me to say, hey.
Would you like to watch some witchmovies and talk about them with me?
Yes.
And that was her answer.
That was it.
That was all it was because wedidn't have to ask much more.
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Now, I got to say though, thatthis was a selfish project of mine,
because this for one is Joe Bob Riggs.
This is my ultimate homage to him.
Best it gets.
Sorry, Joe Bob, if you're watching.
But Joe Bob Riggs is a horror movie host.
He started doing this a long timeago on TNT for MonsterVision.
(01:25):
He's been doing it longer thanmost of us in here have been alive.
Actually, yes, longer thanall of us have been alive.
I just had a look around the room.
But this is something that he's beendoing is basically hosting movies.
So, yes, selfish project of mine.
And I brought her into it becauseI watch these movies anyway.
(01:46):
Don't you?
Like, is this?
Oh, yeah.
I love movies.
So, sign me up.
Now, out of the ones that we didthough, Courtney, which one, which
one, which was your favorite?
That's a hard one.
Now, that's really hard becauseI had favorites that I had
picked when we made our lists.
We did like a master list, right?
All of our favoritewitch movies and stuff.
(02:06):
Some of them didn't even make iton, on the final roster, but, uh, I
had my favorites already picked out.
I was like practical magic.
You can't go wrong, right?
Who loves practical magic?
Woo!
Give me a, give me a woo woo!
Midnight margaritas.
So my favorites, right?
I mean, that's not too horrible, nottoo horror scary, like real tame,
(02:27):
real, um, realistic as far as whatI think witches really are like.
Um, but then I had to watch a bunch ofmovies I was really uncomfortable with.
And then loved them once I watched them.
So now, to pick a favorite wouldbe like, a favorite of which kind?
It's tough because we had, we had,here's the thing, we had family movies in
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there, and we had the scariest of scary.
Now if I had my way, let mego on a little rant here.
If I had my way, you know what wewould have shown tonight, and I
had to get talked out of this byeverybody that there was, but I wanted
to show the autopsy of Jane Doe.
But nah, some people say,ah, she's, she's too naked.
I'm like, no, well, nobody thinks aboutthat because she's getting cut open.
(03:10):
Nobody's thinking about there'sa naked woman on the table.
I would have a show thereand I might still show it.
I'm the one with theremote here, Courtney.
Yeah.
Um, sorry, kids.
Y'all gonna have to closeyour eyes and not watch.
Yeah.
It was a little bit, a little bit too, uh,off the cliff as far as the witch movies
go, and I thought, let's rein it back in.
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And let's pick one that isjust creepy enough to be like,
wait, what is going on here?
And also in the familyfriendly movie genre.
Now, this movie has got ties towitches because it's got one of
the most famous witches, right?
The Wicked Witch.
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The Wicked Witch of the West.
Now, if you haven't seen Return toOz is what we're talking about here.
It says fantasy, action, and adventure.
They forgot to put horror on therebecause this movie is completely
creepy in all kinds of ways.
Now you gotta think about this.
This is made in 1985.
45 plus years after The Wizardof Oz. So for a long time,
(04:19):
somebody get the door please.
So for a long time, this had the recordfor longest years between sequels.
Until another movie came out called Bambi2, which none of you guys saw that either.
But you definitely haven't seen TheReturn to Oz. But you gotta see this.
And me and Courtneystarted talking about it.
We said, why do theyneed to see this movie?
It's tied to witches, but this isthe sequel to Wizard of Oz. And
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soon we've got Wicked coming out.
So we wanted to make sure thateverybody was up to par on
their Wizard of Oz knowledge.
A lot of people thought when this cameout, they were like, oh, this is not good.
Right?
Because they're used to Judy Garland.
I mean, everybody loves theWizard of Oz came out in 1939.
Everybody loves that version, right?
Everybody loves it.
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But it's not as close to the novels.
And a lot of fans of this movielove it because it's a little bit
more close to what L. Frank Baumhad made when he wrote the novels.
And it does combine quite a few of thebooks in the series into one movie.
So.
You kind of have to set asideyour Judy Garland version.
Yeah.
And you have to appreciate this forwhat it is all by itself, right?
(05:30):
Now here's the book here, guys.
I got an original copy of this thing.
You see this?
This has got likelibrary prints and stuff.
This is really, really old.
But you can see right here, thisthing is already creeping me out.
Now I'm going to sit here, we'regoing to read this entire book.
Now,
You said really old.
I'm just kidding, guys.
I'm not going to sit here andmake you read the entire book.
But what I'm going to do is,This movie is set in about 1899.
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So even though it's 40 plus yearsafter the original movie, it's
only 6 months after Dorothy haswent to Oz. In, in, in movie time.
So, you gotta think they'rehere in the 1899, 1900s.
Let me go in and talk aboutthe economy back then.
1800s.
Is that okay, Courtney?
You think I can go off on a rant here?
You can't, you can't not talk about it.
(06:13):
Huh?
No, I'm not gonna talk about that either.
But, the movie Return to Oz. Farooza Bach.
She had to be terrified outof her mind watching, just
being on set the whole time.
It's no reason, no wonder that she haskind of quit acting and disappeared now.
This movie probably still scarred her.
You think this is the one?
This is probably the one outof all the ones that she did.
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But you're right, if you'reexpecting the Judy Garland, Dorothy,
cheery, happy, this ain't it.
So you're allowed to leave now from mylive audience, and you're allowed to
stop watching if you're looking at home.
But what do you think,Courtney, should we start it up?
All right, and what we're gonna doSo let's start the movie But what
we're gonna do is we'll stop the moviedown every once in a while and we'll
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talk for a couple more minutes Butwe're gonna let it run for a while.
Now.
I'm telling you.
I Hope nobody here has nightmares tonight.
You see a lot of crazy stuff in here.
I Mean, they're gonna go to electroshock therapy right out the beginning.
I don't know if we should havekids But let's go see this thing.
Dorothy is crazy
and let's start it up
(07:24):
Now.
People are you?
No, I said we're gonna stop it.
That's what we're here for.
We're still taping a podcast also.
So.
So we're 40 minutes into thismovie and let's just go through
a list here because electroshocktherapy is not the worst thing we've
seen yet, not the weirdest thing.
We've seen a talking chicken, TikTok.
What the hell is TikTok?
(07:46):
Yeah, the original.
The original TikTok.
Yeah.
Let me throw this out there for youthough because I do want to put this out.
Gymnast Michael Sundin.
Actually stood upside down withhis legs bent and backwards
and walked to make Tick Tock.
Oh
wow.
Now Courtney can you, nowCourtney's going to demonstrate
(08:07):
how he did that for us here.
So it says stood upsidedown with his leg backwards.
I'm just telling you now that this is justthe tip of the iceberg of the weirdness.
Now you saw the wheelers, I think theytook the place of the flying monkeys.
I'm not sure, the wheelers are waymore disturbing than flying monkeys.
I didn't find any reference ofwheelers in the, in the books.
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Nah, nah, I think that's somethingthey found out, it's a, they
found a costume at the dump.
You know, they got it outof the scrapyard there.
Cause the wheels look like something offof a stroller or something, I'm not sure.
But
Yeah, it kind of looksfun, I want to try it.
I'm sure you like hold the wheelsin the front with your arms and you
like wheel around it's kind of likerollerblading but with all four limbs.
(08:52):
I think it looks like fun.
I would try it.
Only her.
Only her.
We would make a
gang.
Let me tell you this too.
So, so, I'm going to throw this factout there too because Judy Garland
was 16 years old when she made TheWizard of Oz. Now, Farouz is only 10.
She's 10 years old.
This is her first major movie.
She beat out.
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10, 000 plus people to get this role.
They said there were 600people in Vancouver alone.
Oh, I believe it.
And they saw her and theysaid, yes, this is it.
And I think they nailed it.
I really do.
I think Farooza plays a great Dorothyhere, even though she's six years
younger than our original Dorothy.
Yeah, yeah.
And, um, I would like to point outAunt Em was much younger than the
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original Aunt Em in the 30s film.
Uh, I, I mean, I imagine shewas somewhere in, like, her 50s
or 60s in the original movie.
And then this one was, um, morelike my age, I want to say.
So there are
only two actors that werestill alive from the original.
When this one came out, one ofthem was the main flying monkey.
(09:57):
Maybe he's the one thatsaid, you know what?
No more flying monkeys.
We're not doing that.
So offensive to
me.
Well, let's get back.
Let's get back to the movie.
But before we do, I got to pointout here too, that the violence.
This movie, I believe, hasthe highest body count out
of all the movies we picked.
(10:17):
And we had Blair Witch Project,we had The Witch, Suspiria, maybe
Suspiria beat it, I don't know.
We had a lot of
bodies in Suspiria.
Yeah, what other
movies did we have?
We had quite a few others, but I believethat this one has the highest body count.
You saw a TikTok overthere, he whooped ass.
He just whooped ass.
That gymnast in there, upside down.
Well, let's get back,let's get back at it.
(10:37):
Only
got that house done.
There it is.
There's a lot to unpack here.
Yeah, well, is it just me, or is anyoneelse attracted to Jack Pumpkinhead?
(10:58):
I think he's pretty cute.
I thought he was kind of cute,but that is my husband over there.
So that may be, maybe his wife.
Well,
he's playing Jack tonight.
Jack Skellington, but let's notget it twisted because Tim Burton
definitely took inspiration for JackSkellington from Jack Pumpkinhead.
I mean, it's obvious.
How could you not?
(11:18):
It's, it's the same figure.
Am I right?
Yeah.
You didn't see it.
Now, there's a lot though to unpack.
I want to talk about the gump.
Yeah, okay.
Like,
what the hell is the gump?
It's a
moose, right?
Now, they put
together this bed, some palmfronds, and a gump head.
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Now, palm fronds, that's really, youknow, that's what the leaves are.
That's called fronds.
Yeah.
Now, a gump is not real, though.
But fronds are.
Okay.
I'll believe you.
I think a
gump is a made up fictional characterthat they've made just for this, because
I don't think I've ever run across a gump.
Yeah.
No?
You have somebody?
Oh, Amanda has.
I think I dated somebodywith the last name Gump.
(12:01):
Okay.
That's close enough.
She's come across a
Gump before.
Yeah.
So.
Ryan Forrest.
Oh, wow.
Coincidences all over the place.
So that scene with the Gump and theflying thing, that was one of Walter
Murch's favorite parts to film.
Now Walter Murch was thedirector of this film.
He, now that was also the hardestpart of the movie to film.
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Which makes sense for Walter Murch becausehe got fired from directing this movie
about in the middle, early on, actually,because he was taking so long to film.
Until George Lucas and Steven Spielbergcame to his rescue, literally, and said,
no, no, no, no, no, you got to givethis guy a shot to direct this movie.
(12:46):
That's nice.
So, they put in the work for him,and he came and directed this thing,
and as of Uh, October 31st, 2024.
This is the only movie he has directed.
Oh, wow.
So I don't know if it's scarred himthat bad, if the experience scarred
him that bad, or if he just said, youknow what, it's as good as it gets.
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Kind of a perfectionist, maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe it just took too long because heneeded all the details to be just perfect.
But he, but he got it together, I think.
And what they put out here isdefinitely, It's a cult classic.
Yeah.
Oh, and it's definitely coming back.
You can watch it in movie theaters now.
People bringing it back.
I saw it at Brovies.
We saw a poster for it at Brovieshere in downtown Salt Lake.
So it does, it is coming
up.
(13:27):
Now,
what else do you got to say about thismovie before we wrap this thing up?
If you're
wondering why it's a witch movie,Princess Mambi is actually a witch.
And in the books, in the secondnovel, she is a, um, witch Mambi.
She's like the Wicked Witch of the West.
Uh, clearly.
Taking your heads off.
Switching out heads.
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I mean, that's not somethinga princess would do.
Am I right?
It's witches things.
Witches.
You do that.
Yeah.
You swap out heads I couldswap out heads, I would.
If I could go youngerhead, yep, I'll take it.
I would do it.
Yeah.
So, in the second novel, though, theyhad, uh, it was a orphan boy named
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Tip is the protagonist of that film.
He's the one that makes JackPumpkinhead to scare the witch mambi,
um, like Jack says in this movie.
So, just interesting that theypulled together a lot of things
from the different Oz books.
So, if you're young, you like reading,I might recommend getting the original
series of the Oz books and reading them.
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And if you're older, you enjoy oldernovels, more mature, the Wicked series
is really, really good.
Very mature, but it kind of takesthat whole legend of asthma and the
explanation of why animals talk, andit takes another kind of political
turn with it, and it's really amazing.
(14:55):
It's a great series.
This is the last one ofthe series out of Oz.
I've read all of them.
Uh, Wicked, Son of a Witch, LyingAmong Men, and Watch your mouth,
watch your language there.
Oh, oh, you said Son of a Witch,of a Witch, they're over there.
Those guys over there,they're Sons of Witches.
That's Sons
of Witches over there.
Those Sons of Witches.
Now, you got final thoughts on this movie?
(15:16):
A lot, huh?
A lot of final thoughts, but, uh,first of all, who we did in, uh
The Craft.
The
Craft, I mean, I think to tie itall together, That's, that's my
takeaway is she did an amazing job.
She's just a little girl.
I was a little skeptical at firstbeing like really she's Dorothy.
I don't know about this.
Yeah, I'll give it a shot Watchedit and I was like, I love her.
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She's so cute.
And she really does an amazing job theacting I think she does a great job.
She does.
She's she's she's wonderful.
She's amazing.
She's awesome.
I loved her in this movie Thankyou to the one time and only time
director for making this movie.
Yeah I gotta tell you
though what the real horror is,and this is my final thought, and
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it's Disney's marketing department.
This film was about as well promotedas a county fair and a thunderstorm,
like really it was, like that'swhat it was, and you gotta think it
came out in the 80s, you got neoncolors and pastel and all that, and
then here comes this dark fantasy.
(16:20):
So they really didn't know what thehell to do with it, and It's more Tim
Burton than it was Walt Disney at atime when Tim Burton wasn't around.
Like, he wasn't doingthis kind of stuff yet.
So, I gotta say that's, yeah.
So, on that, the final note forme is this is a cult classic.
It is remembered becauseit dared to be different.
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All you kids, listen.
Dare to be different.
At everything you do because youcan't get any weirder than this, okay?
Thank you guys.
Let's
now it's time that we didn'ttell the people here that this is
actually a double feature and we'regoing to watch Hereditary now.
That's A24's movie, Hereditary.
(17:05):
Um, or did, or did you have otherplans for the Hereditary movie?
Well, actually you're going to haveto meet me at a certain location.
Oh man.
And we'll meet, we'll, yeah, thisone's going to be on location.
I'm a little worried about that.
I'm gonna send you the address.
And I'll meet you there.
We
gotta wear the same clothes?
(17:25):
Are we going straight there?
What's happening?
Oh, we'll see.
That's interesting.
Alright, now I'm a littleworried about this.
So we're not gonna watch Hereditaryhere with the kids and stuff?
Yeah, no.
This one is one I had towatch through my, my fingers.
It's a great
family movie though.
I mean, it's all about family.
It is all about family.
That's true.
Hereditary, yeah.
It's all
about family, but.
Alright, let's get out there and see.
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Courtney, where have you led me to?
Does this look familiar to you at all?
Maybe the cemetery?
I'm a little
concerned.
This looks really familiar.
And you know what though?
As I was driving up, todayit was supposed to be warm.
(18:07):
Sunny?
Closer I got.
It got colder over here.
It got darker.
Yep, I can see like
dark clouds rolled in right over us.
Am I looking at?
This is where they filmed the funeralscene for Hereditary, is it not?
Yeah,
yeah.
Oh my gosh, I got.
We have
a cemetery over here on our other side.
(18:28):
Are we sitting on?
And the view of the mountains.
Are we sitting on bodies?
It's possible.
It's possible.
Oh my
gosh.
With all due respect.
Now we don't want to name wherethis cemetery is, but we do want
to say thank you to them for being,it's beautiful out here, but yeah.
It's no
wonder that they like this location forfilming because the mountains are awesome.
(18:49):
They are.
And I wondered when watching it,because I didn't know, but the mountains
and things, it looked like Colorado.
And I kept thinking maybe theyfilmed this in Colorado, but
I think Ari Aster likes Utah.
Ari Aster really liked Utah right here.
And there's, yeah, likeyou said he had to.
Um, this movie, we tried to find a throughline for Return to Oz and for Hereditary.
(19:14):
And honestly, we just picked thesetwo movies because, I mean, it
was, what, Return to Oz was creepy.
We wanted to do it.
And then we had, uh, Hereditaryand She had never seen Hereditary,
and Novel Daybreak recommendedHereditary, which I don't, honestly,
we shouldn't say that because
An employee at Novel One
(19:35):
of the employees
Recommended Hereditary, so
He's like, I love horror movies, youguys are doing Hereditary, right?
And we're like Uh, well, actually, no,we didn't have it on the list, but we
had to give it a second look, right?
Yeah.
Because, well, let's figureout where this fits in.
And it may have felt like we threwthese two movies at the very end, like,
we wanted them on the list, we wantedto do them, but we weren't sure where
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they fit in, so we threw them together.
But as we were watching Return toOz, Saturday at our live event,
I was like, there's a lot ofheadless stuff going on here.
Yes.
So I think there is a through line.
I think you looked at me at onepoint and you're like, that's it!
And we both looked at each otherbecause we, we said, you know what?
Hereditary's got a lot of differentkinds of headlessness that comes up.
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Now, this movie, if youhaven't seen it, it's,
feel good.
It's a laugh a minute, right?
It's funny.
It's a great flick.
Oh, yeah.
Huh?
Oh, yeah.
Family.
Smile and ear to ear whenyou're watching this movie.
Am I right?
Beautiful, loving family lives ina beautiful mountain range home.
(20:44):
I mean,
it's all fun and games.
Awesome
tree house.
Right.
What more could you ask for?
Great American family.
If your idea of a good time revolvesaround heart palpitations and sweating,
then yes, you'll enjoy this movie.
Yeah.
But it's another A24 filmand it is a miserable watch.
Once again.
Yeah.
Which is a common theme in the A24 movies.
(21:06):
And hey, I mean that inthe best kind of way.
Because.
The atmosphere, everything from thebeginning of this movie is, we're
sitting here, it feels, there'san atmosphere even sitting here.
I mean, we are in a cemetery, so.
Which is where I find a lot ofpeace and comfort, personally.
It is,
it is peaceful out here.
(21:26):
Not, not that part though, not, not,you can already tell in the beginning
of this movie that, You know what?
Did you have some more thoughtson Return to Oz? Because
Well, I will say, so the headless
part.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember, so we kind of showed atthe event the, uh, the little golden
(21:47):
books they had of Return to Oz.
I used to have one when I was a kid.
And, um, this may speak to mymorbid fascination with things.
I don't know.
But I remember beingobsessed with that book.
I remember looking atthe pages so carefully.
The cabinets full of heads.
And then the part where they'rescreaming so they had an illustrated
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version of these heads andthey're like Mouths are open.
I remember staring at that.
I was probably five years old and Iwas just like, what is happening here?
I had never seen the movie, not then.
So I was like, I don't knowwhat this is, but this is not
the Wizard of Oz that I know.
And I'm looking at it real hard and I keptthinking, am I allowed to look at this?
(22:32):
Is this okay?
I'm a kid.
But I was fascinated withthe headless heads and the.
And the princess, Mambi,chasing her with no head.
Oh yeah.
And she's, they're allscreaming, Dorothy Gale!
Dorothy Gale!
It is scary.
A lot of adults there that nightsaid, Yeah, I could never watch
this movie when I was a kid.
I mean, even the kids there, Imean, They had their mouths open.
(22:54):
I saw yours at one point over there.
Yeah, I
took some pictures of my kids.
That
was wild.
What was it, the wheelers got them?
Maybe.
I think it was.
It was the wheelers.
Maybe just the whole, dark,uh, kind of feel of the film
maybe that they had about it.
They were just a little,they were fascinated.
And if you thought that wasdark, it's not as dark as this
one.
No, no.
And I have many people who werelike, Oh yeah, I like horror movies.
(23:16):
And then I mentioned this one andthey're like, Oh, couldn't do that one.
Couldn't watch that.
Now, you know what, this one, it'sgot a weird backstory with the
movie itself because at first itdidn't have the horror elements and
it was just going to be a drama.
And I believe that.
Ari and, and, and whoeverelse involved threw me in.
(23:39):
wrote in the, the demon and stuff.
And you'll get more, we'll get more.
Deep dive
into that.
Yeah.
And so what's the demon's name?
Piamon.
Piamon.
Piamon.
All right.
That's how
I say it.
Piemon.
Piemon.
Piemon.
But this is
right from the beginning.
And, and you have, we did a pumpkin walkand we saw a pumpkin with miniatures
(24:03):
and me and Courtney both were like, Oh,we're not getting close to that thing.
Because the opening shot ofthis is like, it's a miniature
and it's tied into the movie.
Big time later, but it's a miniature andyou, you have a long, long slow zoom and
then there's that cool transition whereit goes to real people walking in and
(24:27):
you got, you got the real stuff going on.
Very symbolic of like, we'regoing into this other world.
This isn't reality exactly,but kind of, I don't know, but
it's so like the miniaturesthemselves throughout the movie.
They're so realistic.
So when it comes and zoomsin and then it comes to life.
(24:48):
Oh, yeah.
The room that we're in it.
Yeah.
A lot of symbol, symbolism going on.
There is, and you know what, I'll tellyou, I'll tell you this right now, we
will not be able to get to all of it.
Yeah.
We will not be able to pull out everysingle symbol because every time I watch
this movie, I guarantee you I've seenthis movie, I've seen it 10 plus times.
My best friend back in, back in, uh,back from Memphis, Derek, he loves
(25:12):
this movie and he's the one that.
Put me onto this the first time andhe said COVID was a hell of a drug.
He watched this movie about12 times during COVID.
But yeah, um, it is, it's,it's an incredible watch.
It's, it's a great watch,but you do notice something
different every single time.
You see it.
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It's almost like if you don't payattention, you won't be scared.
Yeah.
Does
it make sense?
Like if you watch thismovie, you know, that's
true.
My mom is the one who, andshe likes horror movies too.
She's she's all right with that.
But I was like, this is probably ofall the lineup we've had in this.
Series.
This one I was probablythe most freaked out.
This is the one during watching itI was the most freaked out, but uh,
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but I said something to my mom I'mlike, oh my gosh, have you seen this?
And she's like, oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I did see that one.
It's alright.
I didn't really get that scared andI was like, well, did you see this?
And did you see this?
And she goes, Oh, Ididn't notice any of that.
Yeah, see?
I'm like, You weren't paying attention!
You gotta watch it again!
It's very subtle.
There's so many subtle little things.
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And it, it, it is, uh, it,it takes you off guard.
It's a boring watch, ifyou don't pay attention.
I know.
It really is.
It's a boring watch.
And that means, yeah, you've got toreally look at this movie from a different
perspective when you're watching it.
And sure, watch it forwhat it is the first time.
And then when you start thinkingabout stuff, you go back and be
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like, Oh my gosh, they did this.
Ari did all that for a reason.
Like, it was all on purpose.
It's brilliant.
When we're It is brilliant.
The
opening of the movie basicallyis when, uh, Toni Collette, her
mom, in the movie has passed.
And yeah, we'll get to Toni Collette.
But her mom in the movie has passedand they are in this cemetery right
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here where we sit, this mountain rank.
Still a little weirded out.
But!
Yeah,
they
just kind of feel like it's just kind ofa your good old average old old lady dies
it is and then you get to thefuneral here and there's even subtle
references here because She evensays so many new strange faces here
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Yeah, kind of like wheredid you all come from?
I didn't see any of you in thelast several years and like,
you know, kind of a vibe.
Ever,
yeah, like ever in your entire,in my mom's the whole life.
So who are these people that were here?
First of all, you got these, uh,unsettling, it's an unsettling eulogy
really, like, The whole thing is weird.
It's awkward.
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I've been to funerals.
They're not fun.
They're weird and awkward already.
This one takes it toanother level already.
Yeah.
The people that there's certain facesthat you see later in the movie.
So if you're not paying attention,you'll see like, Oh, these people
that are at this funeral, they kindof give the, the little girl a look,
this one guy, and you see him later.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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So you've got all this stuff alreadysetting up in the beginning opening scene
that appears to be a normal funeral.
Yeah.
It is not.
Uh, it's, Annie is Tony Collette'scharacter, so Annie's mom
is the one that passes away.
Charlie is the daughter, and you alreadysee that she's, she's a little quirky.
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Yeah.
Is that the best way to put it?
Yeah,
yeah.
She's probably, uh, bornwith some abnormalities.
Abnormalities, yep.
And some, um, she talks about, like, uh,they, they, uh, Are short to mention,
like she takes out a candy bar and they'relike, Oh, does that have peanuts in it?
She's got allergies.
I mean, there's things.
That's, that's a really interestingthing that we'll talk about later when
we talk about what may be going onwith the daughter, which is, you know,
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that she's born with some illnesses andsome abnormalities that kind of hint
at maybe there's a connection there.
It does.
And she gives off the vibe.
She's, she's the actorplayed Charlie's girlfriend.
Amazing too because the role for thatis everybody's so good tough, and
it's an incredible performance but Shereally does She she basically embodies.
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I don't want nothing to do with that.
Like it's a weird It's a weird feelingand you see more of that later on.
Uh, Millie Shapiro.
That's who plays charlie Did youknow she had a did you know that?
The sound that is nowHorror, Horror, Iconic.
Yeah.
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She had to perfect that.
She learned how to do that.
Yeah, it reminds me of The Grudge.
It does.
Or like, uh, yeah, I rememberwhen The Grudge came out.
This movie, for some reason, itkept bringing up Grudge vibes.
For, you know, I can'texactly pinpoint why.
But that sound from The Grudge thatwas, and everybody was hearing it.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
And it would creep, itwould like freak us out.
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Um, that became that.
And I swear, the night that wewatched it, The middle of the
night while I was sleeping.
Same.
I swear I heard it.
Same.
And I
guarantee you other people here,I don't know how that happens.
What was that?
But it's wild.
It's that sound effect.
I thought I just heard a deer.
Man, I can't, I'm, I'm,
what are we doing out here in a cemetery?
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It'll be like rightbehind you in your ear.
Yeah, that's brilliant though.
I mean, if you really want to getinto somebody's psyche and be like
the psychological thrillers like thisthat are just, uh, they dig deep,
burrowed into your subconscious.
You know what?
Let me go off on a rant herefor just a minute because
I want to say back in my day,but it's not that I'm not that
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old, but there was a time for us.
Where horror movies at least had thedecency to show you who's gonna get
sliced up and diced up at the beginning.
Like, you knew who it was, but now we'vegot this psychological warfare that Yeah,
it'll stay with you long after.
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Instead of a 90 minute Slash your film.
We know what's gonna happen.
We see it.
We can watch the two minute trailer.
And we see the whole moviein the two minute trailer.
No, no, no, no, no.
You gotta sit here.
And basically we'regetting swindled out there.
We're getting swindled out and we'regetting brought in here like this is
a family drama movie, like I said.
And then the pants scaredoff of us because, man.
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Yeah.
I couldn't have told from thetrailer or from the poster.
I would not be able to look at it and belike, okay, I know what's happening here.
I know who the killer is.
I know what's going to happen.
I would never have been able to do that.
So, past the cemetery, we're atthe, basically, The next little bit
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of the movie and this is where thecreepiness it amps up quite a bit
Yeah,
you got Annie making these tinylittle dollhouses She's getting
I am absolutely fascinated by I went tolike a miniatures museum in chicago one
time They had an exhibit with a like awhole room full of miniature dollhouses
and stuff and I was fascinated Thingsthat are like teeny tiny but look real.
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That was like the most Probably oneof my favorite parts of the movie.
I was like, oh, this is amazing.
Look at this.
She's an artist.
Those things were incredible.
Those little, the miniaturesthey had on set were awesome.
Honestly, the scene later on where itall gets torn up, I go, ooh, I cringed.
I did too.
I was like,
no, but that's, that, that'sindicative of a, a, a mother artist.
You know, you never have time toreally like, Devote to the craft.
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So I really felt for her in that moment.
But yeah, you got to pay attentionto those scenes though, because
each one is like a little clue andit'll narrow in on that and it'll
show you something that's going on.
And you're like, wait, what doesthat have to do with anything?
And you see it throw back.
And it
gets darker and darker.
And basically these are littleshrines that she's building
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towards her family dysfunction.
I think is what it is.
It's like, She's building theselittle things and she knows it in
her head or maybe it's some othersupernatural, whatever's going on.
I thought maybe this
was just her, her artistic expressionand way of like processing grief,
processing what traumatic thingsshe'd experienced in her life.
And, I mean, that's kind of brilliant.
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Which, yeah.
That's you are a connoisseur of thosekind of things, don't you know a lot of
respect for that?
Because that's what we do in, uh, in,uh, integrated processing technique.
Um, the healing work that I do.
I don't necessarily, uh,The way that it works.
It's not with art, but Ihave partnered it with art.
So that people can paint outtheir feelings, emotions and grief
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and you know, whatever heavinessthat they've got going on.
So I had a lot of respect forthat part of the movie thinking,
Oh, she's as morbid as it seems.
Cause I could see the husbandwhen in certain parts, when
certain traumatic things have
happened
and he's like, what are you doing?
What if our son sees this?
You know, he lived through it.
And she's like, She's doing it as ifshe has no problem with it at all.
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Like, it's not traumatic to her.
I think that's kind of amazing.
Even,
the one that really botheredme was the telephone pole.
The telephone pole.
And she was just doing it.
She was painting the blood on the asphalt.
Yeah, and now And I was like,
UGH!
So, so, don't forget aboutPeter, their teenage son.
He's got his own issues.
And he's the one who goesto the party with Charlie.
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Charlie has a reaction because sheeats nuts, something with nuts in it.
Yeah.
The cake has walnuts in it.
The cake.
Yep.
And then.
The, she goes into the, what is that
called?
Hy Hyper something Shock.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
You need an EpiPen.
Basically.
You should have EpiPen and Jo.
Yeah.
They didn't
have an EpiPen
with them.
I dunno.
I
kept shouting that at theTV screen the whole time.
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I'm like, where's your EpiPen?
Yeah.
Really?
She needs it.
You
think you would think somebody hada one or somebody at that party.
But then again, yeah, we, we know thatthis is gonna go off the rails anyway.
Yeah.
And this is where wereally go off the rails.
And if we haven't been creeped outalready, well we get a little gore.
Oh.
It was pretty horrific, that wholescene, driving down the road,
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swerving to not hit the deer.
I was like, I don't thinkI breathed the entire time.
And then when he's sitting in thecar and everybody's just frozen,
it's like prolonged, right?
Like that scene just goes onforever and you're like, no, no, no.
I just remember sitting onmy couch just being like, no,
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he's going to Rearview mirror.
Yeah.
Into the
backseat.
And I was like, no, no,
no.
And he doesn't though.
Like, they,
it's,
I can't imagine, the way that that's madeand filmed, it's, that's more realistic.
Now, this is realistic horror,is what this is, because,
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it hits you right in the feels.
It
does, and you're like,oh, what would I do?
Or, oh, what, what,
I don't, oh, the trauma of livingthrough that, that poor boy.
I just kept thinking, Oh, that poor kid.
And
that's only the beginning of thetrauma in this movie, because
yeah, that's just where it begins.
It is really that that is kind of whereit begins because after that, uh, we,
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we start delving even deeper into justmisery, grief, and we get to see the most,
the performance of Tony Collette from.
The beginning of this movie,all the way, how she goes She's
incredible, isn't she?
Who won the Oscar that year?
(36:33):
Oh, I don't
know.
Exactly.
And Toni Collette should have.
And she didn't even get anomination, I believe, for that.
She's
incredible.
Did you ever see United States of Tara?
I did, yeah.
The TV series that she's in?
Her ability to switchpersonalities, voice, her entire
facial expression, everything.
is incredible and you see thatin this movie a couple of times.
(36:55):
Oh, a lot of times.
She just switches and she's different.
Um, I was trying to dress like her.
I was like, I'm going todress for the movie today.
And then I realized, well,that's just kind of how I
dress all the time, actually.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The way that she's dressedas mom in this movie.
And Toni Collette, I just got to tellyou that we're sitting right here in the
cemetery and this is where All validityfor the Oscars should be buried right here
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because she's not even being nominated.
I don't care about no rules aboutthe, oh, it came out at a certain
time of the year or this and that.
No, no, no, no, no.
She should be an honorary Oscarmember winner for that performance.
But yeah,
go ahead.
That's my
The grief that she's expressing.
I still feel it.
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It's cellular level grief.
If I Just pouring out of her body.
Grieving for her daughter.
If I saw her on the street, Iwould give Toni Collette a hug.
Like I would.
I would be like, Oh my gosh, I am sosorry for what you've been through.
You lost your daughter.
I'm so sorry.
Your mother and then your daughter.
(38:00):
But pay attention to that.
That, um, it's on her necklace inthe funeral scene of her mom, uh, a
necklace pro possibly, you know, weassume was given to her by her mother.
Yeah.
So, that same sigil, that samesymbol, is on the telephone pole.
And,
right?
Let's get into this now.
Let's get into the, to the supernatural,to the, whatever, is it cult?
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What is it?
What's happening here?
I think we're meant tobelieve that this is a coven.
Coven.
That her, she discovers her mother wasa part of, and this woman, uh, that
she meets in the grief counseling.
Uh, she goes and she talksabout her mother's life, and
her brother committing suicide.
Um, and she doesn't, she does say,you have to pay attention, again.
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She says in that scene, um, he wastrying to put people in, in him.
Or something like that.
Oh, yeah.
The quote.
She goes, he committed suicide because,uh, he, they thought he was his brother.
She put voices in him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She put voices in him or put it in him.
You find out
later what that really wasand what was really going on.
Or at least what a lot of theories are.
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I mean, I think that nothing is laidout quite so simple in this movie.
So you have to kind of assumeand piece together the puzzles.
But basically that this coven Iprefer to call it a cult, okay?
Because a coven, to me, issomething lovingly pieced together.
Yes, yes, yes.
(39:25):
Love and light, and I would ratherkeep it that way in my mind.
But this is definitely, um,basically a demon summoning cult
that her mother had been a part of.
And this woman thatshe meets in the movie.
And what they really are doing isthey're trying to revive or to possess
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someone with the demon of Piedmont.
Okay.
Who is a king of hell.
Oh!
He's one of Lucifer's most loyal demons.
Okay.
Of
hell.
This is a real demon.
This is, this is real.
Well,
real.
Well, yeah, but they, I'm, well, we've hadother movies where they've made up stuff.
This is
something that is, is in folklore.
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The Blair Witch was made up.
Yeah.
Like, this is
actually in real.
Yeah, and that sigil isfrom ancient scripts.
Like, that's why it's a little bit like, Ialmost wish it was made up for the movie.
Yeah.
When you're like kind of playingaround with symbols and you know,
you're putting it on the telephone poleand you're putting it in the movie I
feel like you're asking for trouble.
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Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah
Yeah, so You see that symbol throughoutthe whole movie it's like etched
into the attic where the body wasfound Skipping around a little bit.
That's
fine.
We don't have to go in order I wantto talk about the movie just overall
cuz yeah, there's all these symbolsadd up You To what's really going on.
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So, Heman
is a, he's a, uh, king of,one of the kings of Solomon,
from the book of Solomon.
And, um, in like the Greek versionof the book that talks about him.
There's a lot of, like, references of him.
Some mention him with a woman'sface, and some of them don't
mention him with a face at all.
But the pictures that we haveof him, he's riding a camel
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and he has three severed heads.
Okay.
So it's interesting because I wonder,you know, is the sacrifice to Piedmon or
something to do with summoning Piedmonhave to do with three severed heads?
Because by the end ofthe movie, we have three
severed
heads, right?
See, that's what we have you here for.
That kind of insight.
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It's very interesting.
And you see the triangle?
Yes.
the triangle quite a bit.
It's in the, in the floor of the grandma'sroom and, um, when the woman, um, that
she meets, uh, has it in her altar space.
When you see it, she's knocking on theoutside and she doesn't get inside, but
you can see the inside of her apartment.
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has the triangle.
That's, uh, representativeof like a conjuring.
So, uh, there's a lot of like littlereferences, those, those words etched
into the wall behind Charlie's bed.
And she even makes thatin the miniatures, right?
Yeah.
She's even like writing that tinylittle, so you have the word satiny.
(42:14):
Which is, uh, basically asummoning word for necromancy,
like, bringing back to life.
Okay.
Um, these are words that, uh,you also hear the woman shouting
at Peter when he's at school.
And she's, like, doing that spell on him.
She's dispelling his spirit from his bodyto make way for Piedmon to To use his
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body, but it's believed a lot of peoplewatching this movie said that Charlie,
the girl, was actually, uh, Piedmont.
Like, she was born with Piedmont'sspirit, um, from this coven, so the
mom had grabbed hold of her, got herclaws in her, as, um, Annie says in
(42:58):
that, uh, One scene, so she's like,my mom had got her claws in Charlie.
She didn't get my son, becausethey were estranged at the time.
Uh
huh.
And I think the grandma, Annie'smother, was trying to possess her son,
and that's why he committed suicide,from trying to put voices in her head.
Inside of him.
That's, that's an amazing
So this cult was actually, you know,just trying to get this demon, They're
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all a cult of this demon, Piedmon, andthey're trying to get him, uh, a body.
Yeah.
But he needs a male body.
A vessel.
He needs a vessel.
He needs to be male.
Charlie ended up being born a female.
So you see that scene in the miniatureswhere she's trying to feed the baby.
You see the mom, like, tryingto breastfeed the baby.
Yes, yes.
She's
like trying to, she was trying todo all of the rituals and summoning
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spells and whatever you want tocall it to, uh, to get the baby
possessed with Piedmon's spirit.
So he, it was successful with Charlie.
Charlie was Piedmon.
And then when she died, whichwas actually planned, hence the
sigil on the telephone pole.
Yeah, absolutely.
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It was like made to happen so that thespirit would be free to then embody Peter.
So the whole thing was gettingPeter ready for him to be possessed.
with this demon.
Wow.
There you go.
Look at this.
Watch the movie first beforeyou listen to all that.
Yeah, because I justspoiled it all for you.
But yeah,
interesting, right?
It's very interesting.
(44:27):
And you've got, you mentioned, uh, thelady that she meets at the grocery store.
Yes.
Now this, this is when,
yes,
this movie, she's fantastic too.
She is.
This movie just keepsdelving off into chaos.
Like, yeah, further, further, furtherinto the darkest holes you can go.
And she meets this lady, and she sayssomething about a seance, basically,
(44:50):
and Tony Collette, Annie, laughs off.
She's like, you can
see your daughter again.
I saw my grandson.
She thought she met her just like griefcounseling, like this grief support group.
Um, when actually she wasn'tpart of that group at all.
She just like showed up, and gother little claws into Annie, and
was like, come on, you can do this.
You can do this with me.
I know it sounds crazy, but you cansummon spirits, and I went to this
(45:12):
seance, and it changed my life.
And, um, I will say, just side note onthat, um, I do believe in mediumship.
I do believe in ethical mediumship.
So anybody that's, uh, you know, tryingto, um, play upon your grief or, uh,
you know, using your grief for, uh, Forearning money, or, um, you know, just
(45:35):
be real cautious and careful with peoplewho claim to be a medium, or who can do
a seance, and contact your loved ones.
First of all, make sure it'sconsensual, and that they're ethical
about it, and, um, that's all I haveto say about that part of the movie.
None of this
Miss, this Miss Cleo stuff.
Remember Miss Cleo?
She made a whole bunch of money,and then came out as a fraud, and
then made a whole bunch more money.
Yeah.
(45:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, don't be there are
certain mediums I think that,um, and I don't even mind mediums
charging for their services.
I just think that people needto be cautious about, you know,
trust your instinct when you meetsomeone who's like, I can contact
your loved ones from beyond and,
you know.
1995! One time payment!
Yeah.
Don't fall for that?
(46:16):
No.
Just, you know, you can feel it whenit's like, I feel good about this
person or I feel kind of like, Ew.
Ew.
Yeah.
So this woman kind of preyed upon her.
She did.
Because she's like, You'regrieving for your daughter.
You can talk to her again.
I promise.
I talked to my grandson.
He was there.
It was PM on the whole time.
Wow.
And then we get the seance scene.
(46:36):
Yeah.
With Annie, Charlie, the dad.
Yeah.
She brings them all in.
She's like, Well, I mean,
Peter.
Peter the son, I guess.
Peter,
yeah.
There's
Yeah, yeah.
This is, in this scene,
it is, and
it's one of those, onceagain, it drags on.
It's like, you're like, Oh my gosh, a lot
of like long pauses and silenceswhere you're like, what is happening?
(46:58):
What's going to happen?
And it just builds the intensity.
They really.
Ari Aster really, we're likea, we're like a catch toy.
He's out there just doing this with us.
Like that's what it is.
The entire movie we're gettingbeat up on, knowing that he can
go in for the kill at any minute,but it just, it's just relentless.
(47:20):
And that scene ends up kind of like itbuilds up and builds up and builds up.
And when Charlie's voicecomes out of her mouth.
Oh, that's wild.
That's
when I'm, I'm talking Oscar worthy.
Oh.
Because she changes from themom, from Annie, into Charlie.
Charlie, right there.
And her voice that comes out of her mouth.
Oh, it's crazy.
But then it kind of falls flat, right?
(47:40):
Yeah.
It doesn't really give you the.
Yeah.
Horror like thing you're waiting for.
Because it kind of teases you.
It does.
Till later.
What happens later?
Oh my gosh, just when it reallyhits the fan, like when the climax
of the movie starts hitting, all Iwant to say is Don't be fooled by
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the action happening in the scene.
Make sure you look around in the shadows.
Pay
attention
to what's going on in the dark becausethere's so much going on that If
you were just watching the action,you'd be like, this is so boring.
Peter is taking forever to get out of bed.
Yep.
That scene, right?
(48:23):
Where he's like, mom?
This is the entire end, the entireclimax, the, the, the pinnacle
here basically was a stage play.
It's, it's everything has got tobe perfect or that doesn't happen.
The entire scene can't happen, right?
Like that's, it had to have beenalmost, well, it definitely was.
(48:43):
It was definitely.
Choreograph, we'll call it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um.
Because everything had to line up.
It's fluid, yeah.
It did.
It had to line up perfectly, orelse none of that could happen.
Walk us through that scene.
Well,
basically Annie, nowpossessed, with Piedmon, okay?
(49:07):
Dad's dead.
Oh yeah.
In a horrific blaze of firethat Annie was trying to avoid.
She was trying to say like, you gottado this, I can't do it, but I, she
was willing to sacrifice her own lifeto destroy the journal, to get, you
know, to end this whole nightmare.
But when she threw it in thefire herself, it wasn't her that
(49:29):
lit on fire, it was her husband.
Yeah.
Right.
And he lights up, he's, he's gone.
And Peter's just waking upfrom his Incident at school,
and he's like looking for her.
She's already there in the room
And it's just there's all kinds of whole
chase happening.
(49:50):
He runs into the attic She'sbanging her head on the attic
door that part freaked me out.
I was like Like that was when I startedwatching through my fingers By that point
when she's like trying to get into theattic and some people asked online they
were like well how does she get intothe attic because he closes the door but
there's people in the attic there's peoplefrom the cult already waiting already in
(50:15):
the attic and so when he turns around whenhe finds the body missing and he turns
around uh she's already up there with him
just intense it's it's scary it'sIt's, so horror movies don't really
scare too many people out there.
There's a lot of people who canreally handle them and watch them
(50:38):
and love them because they can seethrough it and they're like, I get it.
I, this isn't that, no, not this one.
No.
Like this is one that will stick with you.
It will scar you.
Yeah.
A morning.
It will scar you out thereif you watch this movie.
Yeah.
I think it's because itruns through a family.
Yes.
And no one, again, like mostof our movies, a lot of our
movies in this series, we'vesaid, There's no happy ending.
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You don't see them like make it out aliveor you don't see Peter like, you know, in
those old movies when it was like Peter'sthe lone survivor and someone's putting
a blanket around him and he's gettingput in an ambulance and everybody's
like, it's okay, it's gonna be all right.
This is what you want to happen.
Yeah, it does not happen.
The good
old days of horror movies.
They tie things up withneat bloody bow, right?
(51:22):
Basically
the cult wins in this one.
I mean, this is, they, they achievewhat they set out to achieve, which
was to get Pee on a body to inhabit.
And, and that's what happens.
And it
leaves it kind of open like you're,you, I mean, we got, we're sitting
here interpreting the movie andthi and this movie has been out
for a while and people were stillinterpreting different parts of it.
(51:43):
Yeah.
And picking out little pieces andsaying, oh, well wait a minute.
I mean, you, you pulledout the three heads thing.
Like that's amazing.
Yeah.
So the grandma, um,yeah, Charlie, uh, and.
Annie, eventually.
Yep.
Beheads herself.
Yep.
And I think they needed the threeheads in order to conduct the ritual.
To get Pym on there.
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Okay.
It had to be like, their paymentfor, um, conjuring him and
having him come back in a body.
And then it's, and
so the movie ends and And we're left athome still questioning our sanity even
more than I know when we started, right?
Like that's
Yeah, see we're sitting here now.
I'm like Yeah, i'm like what did wesee I mean the movie's incredible
(52:28):
Yeah, this is the only one thatafter the end all of us I watched
all of them with my husband.
We watched them together and by the endof all of them even like suspiria Yeah,
which was real gory at the end thereI turned the TV off, and I was like,
Alright, time to go get ready for bed.
Yeah, I can go, I can sleep
comfortable at night, yeah.
This was the only one that I waslike, Matt said, uh, Oh, I've
(52:49):
already gotten ready for bed, soI'm just gonna head up to bed.
And I was like, You'regonna leave me alone?
You're like,
hang on, turn the lights on, turnthe lights on, keep the lights on.
I
think you should just come with me,and we'll go, and I'll get ready
for bed, and you'll stand there nextto me while I get ready for bed.
And then we'll go upstairstogether, in the dark.
Together.
Yes,
yes.
That's good, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
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This movie, it, it still bothers me now.
Like, it's, what are your final thoughts?
What, do you have anymore points you gotta hit?
I know we could talk about it forever.
We could.
Yeah.
I know.
Um, I do want to point out, Istill want to claim that this
isn't technically a witch movie.
Yes.
I would like to say that becauseI would like to say that.
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This group of people, even though they'reconducting rituals and spells, um, the way
that I like to view and portray a witch,or a pagan, or, uh, someone who, um,
maybe operates in a spirituality closerto mine, uh, this would be more like a
cult than it would be a coven of witches.
(53:50):
So That would be my final thought, ismaybe take that part loosely and enjoy the
movie for the entertainment that it is.
Absolutely.
The miserable entertainmentthat it is, right?
My final thought on this movie isTony Collette, damn it, an Oscar.
Get her one now.
Yep.
That's it.
That's all I got to say about it.
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I'll present
it to her myself.
You know what though?
This is, yeah, right?
We'll get it.
We will make an Oscar.
We'll bring it to her.
And we'll get Toni Collette.
Okay,
Toni.
Reach out.
We got you, girl.
We might as well wrap this wholething up because this is the end.
This is the end of the project,but maybe it's just the end of
season one because I looked.
I looked.
(54:30):
And I saw that they had 167more witch movies on IMDb.
Are you ready to go through some more?
Um, maybe not 167, but for sure,let's, let's work through that list.
We can get season two.
Maybe it'll be something different.
Maybe it'll be something different.
I mean, this first season, itwas only going to be a, well,
(54:52):
at first it was a pipe dream andthen it turned into real stuff.
And then we started watching movies.
And then we ended up with,with Robin Lively herself.
We had Ryan Bartley from, uh,her anime queen out there from,
uh, different movies and stuff.
And then we're here.
This is our guest.
Our final guest is the own location set.
(55:12):
Like we took this thing and ran with it.
Now
it's been a blast.
I want to
hear what other people out there got tosay and what they want to see us do next.
Because I'm thinking, I don't know,maybe we can do some gory movies, you
know, the kinds I like, where the, theyhave a mask on and they got a knife
(55:33):
and you know who it is and that's it.
Yeah, and I will, I will agree with you onthe next time we do a live podcast event.
Yes.
Let's do adults only and we'lldo one of the hardcore ones.
Arc the Clown.
Autopsy of Jane Doe.
The Terrifiers and stuff.
Oh, oh, okay.
We'll do the Autopsy of Jane Doe.
I owe you that, but I feel likewe need a good group of adults.
(55:54):
Yes.
That are into that kind of thing,they can really enjoy it with us.
I'm down.
I think that would be a blast.
I'm down.
We should screen it in a cemetery.
How about that?
Yeah.
Maybe in a morgue.
Ooh.
Anybody out there know a morgue?
We can film the nextlive podcast taping in.
I'd love to do that.
That'd be fun.
Yeah,
reach out.
Yeah, reach
out to us.
Until the end, that's us.
That's it.
Alright, howdy folks.
I am Just Blane, Bob Briggs.
You Most of you don't know whoJoe Bob Briggs is, so you sure
as hell don't know who I am.
Right?
But hey, we're having fun, andthis is the Witch Movie Project.
Me and Courtney put this thingtogether about six months ago or so.
Oh yeah.
Started talking aboutthis, and it just happened.
(00:42):
I got roped in.
She got roped in.
It wasn't hard, because all we didwas really talk about a bunch of witch
movies, and she is Daybreak's local witch.
So it was very easy for me to say, hey.
Would you like to watch some witchmovies and talk about them with me?
Yes.
And that was her answer.
That was it.
That was all it was because wedidn't have to ask much more.
(01:04):
Now, I got to say though, thatthis was a selfish project of mine,
because this for one is Joe Bob Riggs.
This is my ultimate homage to him.
Best it gets.
Sorry, Joe Bob, if you're watching.
But Joe Bob Riggs is a horror movie host.
He started doing this a long timeago on TNT for MonsterVision.
(01:25):
He's been doing it longer thanmost of us in here have been alive.
Actually, yes, longer thanall of us have been alive.
I just had a look around the room.
But this is something that he's beendoing is basically hosting movies.
So, yes, selfish project of mine.
And I brought her into it becauseI watch these movies anyway.
(01:46):
Don't you?
Like, is this?
Oh, yeah.
I love movies.
So, sign me up.
Now, out of the ones that we didthough, Courtney, which one, which
one, which was your favorite?
That's a hard one.
Now, that's really hard becauseI had favorites that I had
picked when we made our lists.
We did like a master list, right?
All of our favoritewitch movies and stuff.
(02:06):
Some of them didn't even make iton, on the final roster, but, uh, I
had my favorites already picked out.
I was like practical magic.
You can't go wrong, right?
Who loves practical magic?
Woo!
Give me a, give me a woo woo!
Midnight margaritas.
So my favorites, right?
I mean, that's not too horrible, nottoo horror scary, like real tame,
(02:27):
real, um, realistic as far as whatI think witches really are like.
Um, but then I had to watch a bunch ofmovies I was really uncomfortable with.
And then loved them once I watched them.
So now, to pick a favorite wouldbe like, a favorite of which kind?
It's tough because we had, we had,here's the thing, we had family movies in
(02:48):
there, and we had the scariest of scary.
Now if I had my way, let mego on a little rant here.
If I had my way, you know what wewould have shown tonight, and I
had to get talked out of this byeverybody that there was, but I wanted
to show the autopsy of Jane Doe.
But nah, some people say,ah, she's, she's too naked.
I'm like, no, well, nobody thinks aboutthat because she's getting cut open.
(03:10):
Nobody's thinking about there'sa naked woman on the table.
I would have a show thereand I might still show it.
I'm the one with theremote here, Courtney.
Yeah.
Um, sorry, kids.
Y'all gonna have to closeyour eyes and not watch.
Yeah.
It was a little bit, a little bit too, uh,off the cliff as far as the witch movies
go, and I thought, let's rein it back in.
(03:31):
And let's pick one that isjust creepy enough to be like,
wait, what is going on here?
And also in the familyfriendly movie genre.
Now, this movie has got ties towitches because it's got one of
the most famous witches, right?
The Wicked Witch.
(03:52):
The Wicked Witch of the West.
Now, if you haven't seen Return toOz is what we're talking about here.
It says fantasy, action, and adventure.
They forgot to put horror on therebecause this movie is completely
creepy in all kinds of ways.
Now you gotta think about this.
This is made in 1985.
45 plus years after The Wizardof Oz. So for a long time,
(04:19):
somebody get the door please.
So for a long time, this had the recordfor longest years between sequels.
Until another movie came out called Bambi2, which none of you guys saw that either.
But you definitely haven't seen TheReturn to Oz. But you gotta see this.
And me and Courtneystarted talking about it.
We said, why do theyneed to see this movie?
It's tied to witches, but this isthe sequel to Wizard of Oz. And
(04:44):
soon we've got Wicked coming out.
So we wanted to make sure thateverybody was up to par on
their Wizard of Oz knowledge.
A lot of people thought when this cameout, they were like, oh, this is not good.
Right?
Because they're used to Judy Garland.
I mean, everybody loves theWizard of Oz came out in 1939.
Everybody loves that version, right?
Everybody loves it.
(05:07):
But it's not as close to the novels.
And a lot of fans of this movielove it because it's a little bit
more close to what L. Frank Baumhad made when he wrote the novels.
And it does combine quite a few of thebooks in the series into one movie.
So.
You kind of have to set asideyour Judy Garland version.
Yeah.
And you have to appreciate this forwhat it is all by itself, right?
(05:30):
Now here's the book here, guys.
I got an original copy of this thing.
You see this?
This has got likelibrary prints and stuff.
This is really, really old.
But you can see right here, thisthing is already creeping me out.
Now I'm going to sit here, we'regoing to read this entire book.
Now,
You said really old.
I'm just kidding, guys.
I'm not going to sit here andmake you read the entire book.
But what I'm going to do is,This movie is set in about 1899.
(05:53):
So even though it's 40 plus yearsafter the original movie, it's
only 6 months after Dorothy haswent to Oz. In, in, in movie time.
So, you gotta think they'rehere in the 1899, 1900s.
Let me go in and talk aboutthe economy back then.
1800s.
Is that okay, Courtney?
You think I can go off on a rant here?
You can't, you can't not talk about it.
(06:13):
Huh?
No, I'm not gonna talk about that either.
But, the movie Return to Oz. Farooza Bach.
She had to be terrified outof her mind watching, just
being on set the whole time.
It's no reason, no wonder that she haskind of quit acting and disappeared now.
This movie probably still scarred her.
You think this is the one?
This is probably the one outof all the ones that she did.
(06:35):
But you're right, if you'reexpecting the Judy Garland, Dorothy,
cheery, happy, this ain't it.
So you're allowed to leave now from mylive audience, and you're allowed to
stop watching if you're looking at home.
But what do you think,Courtney, should we start it up?
All right, and what we're gonna doSo let's start the movie But what
we're gonna do is we'll stop the moviedown every once in a while and we'll
(06:56):
talk for a couple more minutes Butwe're gonna let it run for a while.
Now.
I'm telling you.
I Hope nobody here has nightmares tonight.
You see a lot of crazy stuff in here.
I Mean, they're gonna go to electroshock therapy right out the beginning.
I don't know if we should havekids But let's go see this thing.
Dorothy is crazy
and let's start it up
(07:24):
Now.
People are you?
No, I said we're gonna stop it.
That's what we're here for.
We're still taping a podcast also.
So.
So we're 40 minutes into thismovie and let's just go through
a list here because electroshocktherapy is not the worst thing we've
seen yet, not the weirdest thing.
We've seen a talking chicken, TikTok.
What the hell is TikTok?
(07:46):
Yeah, the original.
The original TikTok.
Yeah.
Let me throw this out there for youthough because I do want to put this out.
Gymnast Michael Sundin.
Actually stood upside down withhis legs bent and backwards
and walked to make Tick Tock.
Oh
wow.
Now Courtney can you, nowCourtney's going to demonstrate
(08:07):
how he did that for us here.
So it says stood upsidedown with his leg backwards.
I'm just telling you now that this is justthe tip of the iceberg of the weirdness.
Now you saw the wheelers, I think theytook the place of the flying monkeys.
I'm not sure, the wheelers are waymore disturbing than flying monkeys.
I didn't find any reference ofwheelers in the, in the books.
(08:29):
Nah, nah, I think that's somethingthey found out, it's a, they
found a costume at the dump.
You know, they got it outof the scrapyard there.
Cause the wheels look like something offof a stroller or something, I'm not sure.
But
Yeah, it kind of looksfun, I want to try it.
I'm sure you like hold the wheelsin the front with your arms and you
like wheel around it's kind of likerollerblading but with all four limbs.
(08:52):
I think it looks like fun.
I would try it.
Only her.
Only her.
We would make a
gang.
Let me tell you this too.
So, so, I'm going to throw this factout there too because Judy Garland
was 16 years old when she made TheWizard of Oz. Now, Farouz is only 10.
She's 10 years old.
This is her first major movie.
She beat out.
(09:12):
10, 000 plus people to get this role.
They said there were 600people in Vancouver alone.
Oh, I believe it.
And they saw her and theysaid, yes, this is it.
And I think they nailed it.
I really do.
I think Farooza plays a great Dorothyhere, even though she's six years
younger than our original Dorothy.
Yeah, yeah.
And, um, I would like to point outAunt Em was much younger than the
(09:36):
original Aunt Em in the 30s film.
Uh, I, I mean, I imagine shewas somewhere in, like, her 50s
or 60s in the original movie.
And then this one was, um, morelike my age, I want to say.
So there are
only two actors that werestill alive from the original.
When this one came out, one ofthem was the main flying monkey.
(09:57):
Maybe he's the one thatsaid, you know what?
No more flying monkeys.
We're not doing that.
So offensive to
me.
Well, let's get back.
Let's get back to the movie.
But before we do, I got to pointout here too, that the violence.
This movie, I believe, hasthe highest body count out
of all the movies we picked.
(10:17):
And we had Blair Witch Project,we had The Witch, Suspiria, maybe
Suspiria beat it, I don't know.
We had a lot of
bodies in Suspiria.
Yeah, what other
movies did we have?
We had quite a few others, but I believethat this one has the highest body count.
You saw a TikTok overthere, he whooped ass.
He just whooped ass.
That gymnast in there, upside down.
Well, let's get back,let's get back at it.
(10:37):
Only
got that house done.
There it is.
There's a lot to unpack here.
Yeah, well, is it just me, or is anyoneelse attracted to Jack Pumpkinhead?
(10:58):
I think he's pretty cute.
I thought he was kind of cute,but that is my husband over there.
So that may be, maybe his wife.
Well,
he's playing Jack tonight.
Jack Skellington, but let's notget it twisted because Tim Burton
definitely took inspiration for JackSkellington from Jack Pumpkinhead.
I mean, it's obvious.
How could you not?
(11:18):
It's, it's the same figure.
Am I right?
Yeah.
You didn't see it.
Now, there's a lot though to unpack.
I want to talk about the gump.
Yeah, okay.
Like,
what the hell is the gump?
It's a
moose, right?
Now, they put
together this bed, some palmfronds, and a gump head.
(11:40):
Now, palm fronds, that's really, youknow, that's what the leaves are.
That's called fronds.
Yeah.
Now, a gump is not real, though.
But fronds are.
Okay.
I'll believe you.
I think a
gump is a made up fictional characterthat they've made just for this, because
I don't think I've ever run across a gump.
Yeah.
No?
You have somebody?
Oh, Amanda has.
I think I dated somebodywith the last name Gump.
(12:01):
Okay.
That's close enough.
She's come across a
Gump before.
Yeah.
So.
Ryan Forrest.
Oh, wow.
Coincidences all over the place.
So that scene with the Gump and theflying thing, that was one of Walter
Murch's favorite parts to film.
Now Walter Murch was thedirector of this film.
He, now that was also the hardestpart of the movie to film.
(12:25):
Which makes sense for Walter Murch becausehe got fired from directing this movie
about in the middle, early on, actually,because he was taking so long to film.
Until George Lucas and Steven Spielbergcame to his rescue, literally, and said,
no, no, no, no, no, you got to givethis guy a shot to direct this movie.
(12:46):
That's nice.
So, they put in the work for him,and he came and directed this thing,
and as of Uh, October 31st, 2024.
This is the only movie he has directed.
Oh, wow.
So I don't know if it's scarred himthat bad, if the experience scarred
him that bad, or if he just said, youknow what, it's as good as it gets.
(13:07):
Kind of a perfectionist, maybe.
Maybe.
Maybe it just took too long because heneeded all the details to be just perfect.
But he, but he got it together, I think.
And what they put out here isdefinitely, It's a cult classic.
Yeah.
Oh, and it's definitely coming back.
You can watch it in movie theaters now.
People bringing it back.
I saw it at Brovies.
We saw a poster for it at Brovieshere in downtown Salt Lake.
So it does, it is coming
up.
(13:27):
Now,
what else do you got to say about thismovie before we wrap this thing up?
If you're
wondering why it's a witch movie,Princess Mambi is actually a witch.
And in the books, in the secondnovel, she is a, um, witch Mambi.
She's like the Wicked Witch of the West.
Uh, clearly.
Taking your heads off.
Switching out heads.
(13:48):
I mean, that's not somethinga princess would do.
Am I right?
It's witches things.
Witches.
You do that.
Yeah.
You swap out heads I couldswap out heads, I would.
If I could go youngerhead, yep, I'll take it.
I would do it.
Yeah.
So, in the second novel, though, theyhad, uh, it was a orphan boy named
(14:10):
Tip is the protagonist of that film.
He's the one that makes JackPumpkinhead to scare the witch mambi,
um, like Jack says in this movie.
So, just interesting that theypulled together a lot of things
from the different Oz books.
So, if you're young, you like reading,I might recommend getting the original
series of the Oz books and reading them.
(14:33):
And if you're older, you enjoy oldernovels, more mature, the Wicked series
is really, really good.
Very mature, but it kind of takesthat whole legend of asthma and the
explanation of why animals talk, andit takes another kind of political
turn with it, and it's really amazing.
(14:55):
It's a great series.
This is the last one ofthe series out of Oz.
I've read all of them.
Uh, Wicked, Son of a Witch, LyingAmong Men, and Watch your mouth,
watch your language there.
Oh, oh, you said Son of a Witch,of a Witch, they're over there.
Those guys over there,they're Sons of Witches.
That's Sons
of Witches over there.
Those Sons of Witches.
Now, you got final thoughts on this movie?
(15:16):
A lot, huh?
A lot of final thoughts, but, uh,first of all, who we did in, uh
The Craft.
The
Craft, I mean, I think to tie itall together, That's, that's my
takeaway is she did an amazing job.
She's just a little girl.
I was a little skeptical at firstbeing like really she's Dorothy.
I don't know about this.
Yeah, I'll give it a shot Watchedit and I was like, I love her.
(15:39):
She's so cute.
And she really does an amazing job theacting I think she does a great job.
She does.
She's she's she's wonderful.
She's amazing.
She's awesome.
I loved her in this movie Thankyou to the one time and only time
director for making this movie.
Yeah I gotta tell you
though what the real horror is,and this is my final thought, and
(15:59):
it's Disney's marketing department.
This film was about as well promotedas a county fair and a thunderstorm,
like really it was, like that'swhat it was, and you gotta think it
came out in the 80s, you got neoncolors and pastel and all that, and
then here comes this dark fantasy.
(16:20):
So they really didn't know what thehell to do with it, and It's more Tim
Burton than it was Walt Disney at atime when Tim Burton wasn't around.
Like, he wasn't doingthis kind of stuff yet.
So, I gotta say that's, yeah.
So, on that, the final note forme is this is a cult classic.
It is remembered becauseit dared to be different.
(16:42):
All you kids, listen.
Dare to be different.
At everything you do because youcan't get any weirder than this, okay?
Thank you guys.
Let's
now it's time that we didn'ttell the people here that this is
actually a double feature and we'regoing to watch Hereditary now.
That's A24's movie, Hereditary.
(17:05):
Um, or did, or did you have otherplans for the Hereditary movie?
Well, actually you're going to haveto meet me at a certain location.
Oh man.
And we'll meet, we'll, yeah, thisone's going to be on location.
I'm a little worried about that.
I'm gonna send you the address.
And I'll meet you there.
We
gotta wear the same clothes?
(17:25):
Are we going straight there?
What's happening?
Oh, we'll see.
That's interesting.
Alright, now I'm a littleworried about this.
So we're not gonna watch Hereditaryhere with the kids and stuff?
Yeah, no.
This one is one I had towatch through my, my fingers.
It's a great
family movie though.
I mean, it's all about family.
It is all about family.
That's true.
Hereditary, yeah.
It's all
about family, but.
Alright, let's get out there and see.
(17:45):
Courtney, where have you led me to?
Does this look familiar to you at all?
Maybe the cemetery?
I'm a little
concerned.
This looks really familiar.
And you know what though?
As I was driving up, todayit was supposed to be warm.
(18:07):
Sunny?
Closer I got.
It got colder over here.
It got darker.
Yep, I can see like
dark clouds rolled in right over us.
Am I looking at?
This is where they filmed the funeralscene for Hereditary, is it not?
Yeah,
yeah.
Oh my gosh, I got.
We have
a cemetery over here on our other side.
(18:28):
Are we sitting on?
And the view of the mountains.
Are we sitting on bodies?
It's possible.
It's possible.
Oh my
gosh.
With all due respect.
Now we don't want to name wherethis cemetery is, but we do want
to say thank you to them for being,it's beautiful out here, but yeah.
It's no
wonder that they like this location forfilming because the mountains are awesome.
(18:49):
They are.
And I wondered when watching it,because I didn't know, but the mountains
and things, it looked like Colorado.
And I kept thinking maybe theyfilmed this in Colorado, but
I think Ari Aster likes Utah.
Ari Aster really liked Utah right here.
And there's, yeah, likeyou said he had to.
Um, this movie, we tried to find a throughline for Return to Oz and for Hereditary.
(19:14):
And honestly, we just picked thesetwo movies because, I mean, it
was, what, Return to Oz was creepy.
We wanted to do it.
And then we had, uh, Hereditaryand She had never seen Hereditary,
and Novel Daybreak recommendedHereditary, which I don't, honestly,
we shouldn't say that because
An employee at Novel One
(19:35):
of the employees
Recommended Hereditary, so
He's like, I love horror movies, youguys are doing Hereditary, right?
And we're like Uh, well, actually, no,we didn't have it on the list, but we
had to give it a second look, right?
Yeah.
Because, well, let's figureout where this fits in.
And it may have felt like we threwthese two movies at the very end, like,
we wanted them on the list, we wantedto do them, but we weren't sure where
(19:57):
they fit in, so we threw them together.
But as we were watching Return toOz, Saturday at our live event,
I was like, there's a lot ofheadless stuff going on here.
Yes.
So I think there is a through line.
I think you looked at me at onepoint and you're like, that's it!
And we both looked at each otherbecause we, we said, you know what?
Hereditary's got a lot of differentkinds of headlessness that comes up.
(20:23):
Now, this movie, if youhaven't seen it, it's,
feel good.
It's a laugh a minute, right?
It's funny.
It's a great flick.
Oh, yeah.
Huh?
Oh, yeah.
Family.
Smile and ear to ear whenyou're watching this movie.
Am I right?
Beautiful, loving family lives ina beautiful mountain range home.
(20:44):
I mean,
it's all fun and games.
Awesome
tree house.
Right.
What more could you ask for?
Great American family.
If your idea of a good time revolvesaround heart palpitations and sweating,
then yes, you'll enjoy this movie.
Yeah.
But it's another A24 filmand it is a miserable watch.
Once again.
Yeah.
Which is a common theme in the A24 movies.
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And hey, I mean that inthe best kind of way.
Because.
The atmosphere, everything from thebeginning of this movie is, we're
sitting here, it feels, there'san atmosphere even sitting here.
I mean, we are in a cemetery, so.
Which is where I find a lot ofpeace and comfort, personally.
It is,
it is peaceful out here.
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Not, not that part though, not, not,you can already tell in the beginning
of this movie that, You know what?
Did you have some more thoughtson Return to Oz? Because
Well, I will say, so the headless
part.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember, so we kind of showed atthe event the, uh, the little golden
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books they had of Return to Oz.
I used to have one when I was a kid.
And, um, this may speak to mymorbid fascination with things.
I don't know.
But I remember beingobsessed with that book.
I remember looking atthe pages so carefully.
The cabinets full of heads.
And then the part where they'rescreaming so they had an illustrated
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version of these heads andthey're like Mouths are open.
I remember staring at that.
I was probably five years old and Iwas just like, what is happening here?
I had never seen the movie, not then.
So I was like, I don't knowwhat this is, but this is not
the Wizard of Oz that I know.
And I'm looking at it real hard and I keptthinking, am I allowed to look at this?
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Is this okay?
I'm a kid.
But I was fascinated withthe headless heads and the.
And the princess, Mambi,chasing her with no head.
Oh yeah.
And she's, they're allscreaming, Dorothy Gale!
Dorothy Gale!
It is scary.
A lot of adults there that nightsaid, Yeah, I could never watch
this movie when I was a kid.
I mean, even the kids there, Imean, They had their mouths open.
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I saw yours at one point over there.
Yeah, I
took some pictures of my kids.
That
was wild.
What was it, the wheelers got them?
Maybe.
I think it was.
It was the wheelers.
Maybe just the whole, dark,uh, kind of feel of the film
maybe that they had about it.
They were just a little,they were fascinated.
And if you thought that wasdark, it's not as dark as this
one.
No, no.
And I have many people who werelike, Oh yeah, I like horror movies.
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And then I mentioned this one andthey're like, Oh, couldn't do that one.
Couldn't watch that.
Now, you know what, this one, it'sgot a weird backstory with the
movie itself because at first itdidn't have the horror elements and
it was just going to be a drama.
And I believe that.
Ari and, and, and whoeverelse involved threw me in.
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wrote in the, the demon and stuff.
And you'll get more, we'll get more.
Deep dive
into that.
Yeah.
And so what's the demon's name?
Piamon.
Piamon.
Piamon.
All right.
That's how
I say it.
Piemon.
Piemon.
Piemon.
But this is
right from the beginning.
And, and you have, we did a pumpkin walkand we saw a pumpkin with miniatures
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and me and Courtney both were like, Oh,we're not getting close to that thing.
Because the opening shot ofthis is like, it's a miniature
and it's tied into the movie.
Big time later, but it's a miniature andyou, you have a long, long slow zoom and
then there's that cool transition whereit goes to real people walking in and
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you got, you got the real stuff going on.
Very symbolic of like, we'regoing into this other world.
This isn't reality exactly,but kind of, I don't know, but
it's so like the miniaturesthemselves throughout the movie.
They're so realistic.
So when it comes and zoomsin and then it comes to life.
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Oh, yeah.
The room that we're in it.
Yeah.
A lot of symbol, symbolism going on.
There is, and you know what, I'll tellyou, I'll tell you this right now, we
will not be able to get to all of it.
Yeah.
We will not be able to pull out everysingle symbol because every time I watch
this movie, I guarantee you I've seenthis movie, I've seen it 10 plus times.
My best friend back in, back in, uh,back from Memphis, Derek, he loves
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this movie and he's the one that.
Put me onto this the first time andhe said COVID was a hell of a drug.
He watched this movie about12 times during COVID.
But yeah, um, it is, it's,it's an incredible watch.
It's, it's a great watch,but you do notice something
different every single time.
You see it.
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It's almost like if you don't payattention, you won't be scared.
Yeah.
Does
it make sense?
Like if you watch thismovie, you know, that's
true.
My mom is the one who, andshe likes horror movies too.
She's she's all right with that.
But I was like, this is probably ofall the lineup we've had in this.
Series.
This one I was probablythe most freaked out.
This is the one during watching itI was the most freaked out, but uh,
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but I said something to my mom I'mlike, oh my gosh, have you seen this?
And she's like, oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I did see that one.
It's alright.
I didn't really get that scared andI was like, well, did you see this?
And did you see this?
And she goes, Oh, Ididn't notice any of that.
Yeah, see?
I'm like, You weren't paying attention!
You gotta watch it again!
It's very subtle.
There's so many subtle little things.
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And it, it, it is, uh, it,it takes you off guard.
It's a boring watch, ifyou don't pay attention.
I know.
It really is.
It's a boring watch.
And that means, yeah, you've got toreally look at this movie from a different
perspective when you're watching it.
And sure, watch it forwhat it is the first time.
And then when you start thinkingabout stuff, you go back and be
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like, Oh my gosh, they did this.
Ari did all that for a reason.
Like, it was all on purpose.
It's brilliant.
When we're It is brilliant.
The
opening of the movie basicallyis when, uh, Toni Collette, her
mom, in the movie has passed.
And yeah, we'll get to Toni Collette.
But her mom in the movie has passedand they are in this cemetery right
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here where we sit, this mountain rank.
Still a little weirded out.
But!
Yeah,
they
just kind of feel like it's just kind ofa your good old average old old lady dies
it is and then you get to thefuneral here and there's even subtle
references here because She evensays so many new strange faces here
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Yeah, kind of like wheredid you all come from?
I didn't see any of you in thelast several years and like,
you know, kind of a vibe.
Ever,
yeah, like ever in your entire,in my mom's the whole life.
So who are these people that were here?
First of all, you got these, uh,unsettling, it's an unsettling eulogy
really, like, The whole thing is weird.
It's awkward.
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I've been to funerals.
They're not fun.
They're weird and awkward already.
This one takes it toanother level already.
Yeah.
The people that there's certain facesthat you see later in the movie.
So if you're not paying attention,you'll see like, Oh, these people
that are at this funeral, they kindof give the, the little girl a look,
this one guy, and you see him later.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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So you've got all this stuff alreadysetting up in the beginning opening scene
that appears to be a normal funeral.
Yeah.
It is not.
Uh, it's, Annie is Tony Collette'scharacter, so Annie's mom
is the one that passes away.
Charlie is the daughter, and you alreadysee that she's, she's a little quirky.
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Yeah.
Is that the best way to put it?
Yeah,
yeah.
She's probably, uh, bornwith some abnormalities.
Abnormalities, yep.
And some, um, she talks about, like, uh,they, they, uh, Are short to mention,
like she takes out a candy bar and they'relike, Oh, does that have peanuts in it?
She's got allergies.
I mean, there's things.
That's, that's a really interestingthing that we'll talk about later when
we talk about what may be going onwith the daughter, which is, you know,
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that she's born with some illnesses andsome abnormalities that kind of hint
at maybe there's a connection there.
It does.
And she gives off the vibe.
She's, she's the actorplayed Charlie's girlfriend.
Amazing too because the role for thatis everybody's so good tough, and
it's an incredible performance but Shereally does She she basically embodies.
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I don't want nothing to do with that.
Like it's a weird It's a weird feelingand you see more of that later on.
Uh, Millie Shapiro.
That's who plays charlie Did youknow she had a did you know that?
The sound that is nowHorror, Horror, Iconic.
Yeah.
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She had to perfect that.
She learned how to do that.
Yeah, it reminds me of The Grudge.
It does.
Or like, uh, yeah, I rememberwhen The Grudge came out.
This movie, for some reason, itkept bringing up Grudge vibes.
For, you know, I can'texactly pinpoint why.
But that sound from The Grudge thatwas, and everybody was hearing it.
Oh yeah, oh yeah.
And it would creep, itwould like freak us out.
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Um, that became that.
And I swear, the night that wewatched it, The middle of the
night while I was sleeping.
Same.
I swear I heard it.
Same.
And I
guarantee you other people here,I don't know how that happens.
What was that?
But it's wild.
It's that sound effect.
I thought I just heard a deer.
Man, I can't, I'm, I'm,
what are we doing out here in a cemetery?
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It'll be like rightbehind you in your ear.
Yeah, that's brilliant though.
I mean, if you really want to getinto somebody's psyche and be like
the psychological thrillers like thisthat are just, uh, they dig deep,
burrowed into your subconscious.
You know what?
Let me go off on a rant herefor just a minute because
I want to say back in my day,but it's not that I'm not that
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old, but there was a time for us.
Where horror movies at least had thedecency to show you who's gonna get
sliced up and diced up at the beginning.
Like, you knew who it was, but now we'vegot this psychological warfare that Yeah,
it'll stay with you long after.
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Instead of a 90 minute Slash your film.
We know what's gonna happen.
We see it.
We can watch the two minute trailer.
And we see the whole moviein the two minute trailer.
No, no, no, no, no.
You gotta sit here.
And basically we'regetting swindled out there.
We're getting swindled out and we'regetting brought in here like this is
a family drama movie, like I said.
And then the pants scaredoff of us because, man.
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Yeah.
I couldn't have told from thetrailer or from the poster.
I would not be able to look at it and belike, okay, I know what's happening here.
I know who the killer is.
I know what's going to happen.
I would never have been able to do that.
So, past the cemetery, we're atthe, basically, The next little bit
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of the movie and this is where thecreepiness it amps up quite a bit
Yeah,
you got Annie making these tinylittle dollhouses She's getting
I am absolutely fascinated by I went tolike a miniatures museum in chicago one
time They had an exhibit with a like awhole room full of miniature dollhouses
and stuff and I was fascinated Thingsthat are like teeny tiny but look real.
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That was like the most Probably oneof my favorite parts of the movie.
I was like, oh, this is amazing.
Look at this.
She's an artist.
Those things were incredible.
Those little, the miniaturesthey had on set were awesome.
Honestly, the scene later on where itall gets torn up, I go, ooh, I cringed.
I did too.
I was like,
no, but that's, that, that'sindicative of a, a, a mother artist.
You know, you never have time toreally like, Devote to the craft.
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So I really felt for her in that moment.
But yeah, you got to pay attentionto those scenes though, because
each one is like a little clue andit'll narrow in on that and it'll
show you something that's going on.
And you're like, wait, what doesthat have to do with anything?
And you see it throw back.
And it
gets darker and darker.
And basically these are littleshrines that she's building
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towards her family dysfunction.
I think is what it is.
It's like, She's building theselittle things and she knows it in
her head or maybe it's some othersupernatural, whatever's going on.
I thought maybe this
was just her, her artistic expressionand way of like processing grief,
processing what traumatic thingsshe'd experienced in her life.
And, I mean, that's kind of brilliant.
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Which, yeah.
That's you are a connoisseur of thosekind of things, don't you know a lot of
respect for that?
Because that's what we do in, uh, in,uh, integrated processing technique.
Um, the healing work that I do.
I don't necessarily, uh,The way that it works.
It's not with art, but Ihave partnered it with art.
So that people can paint outtheir feelings, emotions and grief
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and you know, whatever heavinessthat they've got going on.
So I had a lot of respect forthat part of the movie thinking,
Oh, she's as morbid as it seems.
Cause I could see the husbandwhen in certain parts, when
certain traumatic things have
happened
and he's like, what are you doing?
What if our son sees this?
You know, he lived through it.
And she's like, She's doing it as ifshe has no problem with it at all.
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Like, it's not traumatic to her.
I think that's kind of amazing.
Even,
the one that really botheredme was the telephone pole.
The telephone pole.
And she was just doing it.
She was painting the blood on the asphalt.
Yeah, and now And I was like,
UGH!
So, so, don't forget aboutPeter, their teenage son.
He's got his own issues.
And he's the one who goesto the party with Charlie.
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Charlie has a reaction because sheeats nuts, something with nuts in it.
Yeah.
The cake has walnuts in it.
The cake.
Yep.
And then.
The, she goes into the, what is that
called?
Hy Hyper something Shock.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
You need an EpiPen.
Basically.
You should have EpiPen and Jo.
Yeah.
They didn't
have an EpiPen
with them.
I dunno.
I
kept shouting that at theTV screen the whole time.
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I'm like, where's your EpiPen?
Yeah.
Really?
She needs it.
You
think you would think somebody hada one or somebody at that party.
But then again, yeah, we, we know thatthis is gonna go off the rails anyway.
Yeah.
And this is where wereally go off the rails.
And if we haven't been creeped outalready, well we get a little gore.
Oh.
It was pretty horrific, that wholescene, driving down the road,
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swerving to not hit the deer.
I was like, I don't thinkI breathed the entire time.
And then when he's sitting in thecar and everybody's just frozen,
it's like prolonged, right?
Like that scene just goes onforever and you're like, no, no, no.
I just remember sitting onmy couch just being like, no,
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he's going to Rearview mirror.
Yeah.
Into the
backseat.
And I was like, no, no,
no.
And he doesn't though.
Like, they,
it's,
I can't imagine, the way that that's madeand filmed, it's, that's more realistic.
Now, this is realistic horror,is what this is, because,
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it hits you right in the feels.
It
does, and you're like,oh, what would I do?
Or, oh, what, what,
I don't, oh, the trauma of livingthrough that, that poor boy.
I just kept thinking, Oh, that poor kid.
And
that's only the beginning of thetrauma in this movie, because
yeah, that's just where it begins.
It is really that that is kind of whereit begins because after that, uh, we,
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we start delving even deeper into justmisery, grief, and we get to see the most,
the performance of Tony Collette from.
The beginning of this movie,all the way, how she goes She's
incredible, isn't she?
Who won the Oscar that year?
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Oh, I don't
know.
Exactly.
And Toni Collette should have.
And she didn't even get anomination, I believe, for that.
She's
incredible.
Did you ever see United States of Tara?
I did, yeah.
The TV series that she's in?
Her ability to switchpersonalities, voice, her entire
facial expression, everything.
is incredible and you see thatin this movie a couple of times.
(36:55):
Oh, a lot of times.
She just switches and she's different.
Um, I was trying to dress like her.
I was like, I'm going todress for the movie today.
And then I realized, well,that's just kind of how I
dress all the time, actually.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The way that she's dressedas mom in this movie.
And Toni Collette, I just got to tellyou that we're sitting right here in the
cemetery and this is where All validityfor the Oscars should be buried right here
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because she's not even being nominated.
I don't care about no rules aboutthe, oh, it came out at a certain
time of the year or this and that.
No, no, no, no, no.
She should be an honorary Oscarmember winner for that performance.
But yeah,
go ahead.
That's my
The grief that she's expressing.
I still feel it.
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It's cellular level grief.
If I Just pouring out of her body.
Grieving for her daughter.
If I saw her on the street, Iwould give Toni Collette a hug.
Like I would.
I would be like, Oh my gosh, I am sosorry for what you've been through.
You lost your daughter.
I'm so sorry.
Your mother and then your daughter.
(38:00):
But pay attention to that.
That, um, it's on her necklace inthe funeral scene of her mom, uh, a
necklace pro possibly, you know, weassume was given to her by her mother.
Yeah.
So, that same sigil, that samesymbol, is on the telephone pole.
And,
right?
Let's get into this now.
Let's get into the, to the supernatural,to the, whatever, is it cult?
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What is it?
What's happening here?
I think we're meant tobelieve that this is a coven.
Coven.
That her, she discovers her mother wasa part of, and this woman, uh, that
she meets in the grief counseling.
Uh, she goes and she talksabout her mother's life, and
her brother committing suicide.
Um, and she doesn't, she does say,you have to pay attention, again.
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She says in that scene, um, he wastrying to put people in, in him.
Or something like that.
Oh, yeah.
The quote.
She goes, he committed suicide because,uh, he, they thought he was his brother.
She put voices in him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
She put voices in him or put it in him.
You find out
later what that really wasand what was really going on.
Or at least what a lot of theories are.
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I mean, I think that nothing is laidout quite so simple in this movie.
So you have to kind of assumeand piece together the puzzles.
But basically that this coven Iprefer to call it a cult, okay?
Because a coven, to me, issomething lovingly pieced together.
Yes, yes, yes.
(39:25):
Love and light, and I would ratherkeep it that way in my mind.
But this is definitely, um,basically a demon summoning cult
that her mother had been a part of.
And this woman thatshe meets in the movie.
And what they really are doing isthey're trying to revive or to possess
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someone with the demon of Piedmont.
Okay.
Who is a king of hell.
Oh!
He's one of Lucifer's most loyal demons.
Okay.
Of
hell.
This is a real demon.
This is, this is real.
Well,
real.
Well, yeah, but they, I'm, well, we've hadother movies where they've made up stuff.
This is
something that is, is in folklore.
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The Blair Witch was made up.
Yeah.
Like, this is
actually in real.
Yeah, and that sigil isfrom ancient scripts.
Like, that's why it's a little bit like, Ialmost wish it was made up for the movie.
Yeah.
When you're like kind of playingaround with symbols and you know,
you're putting it on the telephone poleand you're putting it in the movie I
feel like you're asking for trouble.
(40:27):
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah
Yeah, so You see that symbol throughoutthe whole movie it's like etched
into the attic where the body wasfound Skipping around a little bit.
That's
fine.
We don't have to go in order I wantto talk about the movie just overall
cuz yeah, there's all these symbolsadd up You To what's really going on.
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So, Heman
is a, he's a, uh, king of,one of the kings of Solomon,
from the book of Solomon.
And, um, in like the Greek versionof the book that talks about him.
There's a lot of, like, references of him.
Some mention him with a woman'sface, and some of them don't
mention him with a face at all.
But the pictures that we haveof him, he's riding a camel
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and he has three severed heads.
Okay.
So it's interesting because I wonder,you know, is the sacrifice to Piedmon or
something to do with summoning Piedmonhave to do with three severed heads?
Because by the end ofthe movie, we have three
severed
heads, right?
See, that's what we have you here for.
That kind of insight.
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It's very interesting.
And you see the triangle?
Yes.
the triangle quite a bit.
It's in the, in the floor of the grandma'sroom and, um, when the woman, um, that
she meets, uh, has it in her altar space.
When you see it, she's knocking on theoutside and she doesn't get inside, but
you can see the inside of her apartment.
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has the triangle.
That's, uh, representativeof like a conjuring.
So, uh, there's a lot of like littlereferences, those, those words etched
into the wall behind Charlie's bed.
And she even makes thatin the miniatures, right?
Yeah.
She's even like writing that tinylittle, so you have the word satiny.
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Which is, uh, basically asummoning word for necromancy,
like, bringing back to life.
Okay.
Um, these are words that, uh,you also hear the woman shouting
at Peter when he's at school.
And she's, like, doing that spell on him.
She's dispelling his spirit from his bodyto make way for Piedmon to To use his
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body, but it's believed a lot of peoplewatching this movie said that Charlie,
the girl, was actually, uh, Piedmont.
Like, she was born with Piedmont'sspirit, um, from this coven, so the
mom had grabbed hold of her, got herclaws in her, as, um, Annie says in
(42:58):
that, uh, One scene, so she's like,my mom had got her claws in Charlie.
She didn't get my son, becausethey were estranged at the time.
Uh
huh.
And I think the grandma, Annie'smother, was trying to possess her son,
and that's why he committed suicide,from trying to put voices in her head.
Inside of him.
That's, that's an amazing
So this cult was actually, you know,just trying to get this demon, They're
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all a cult of this demon, Piedmon, andthey're trying to get him, uh, a body.
Yeah.
But he needs a male body.
A vessel.
He needs a vessel.
He needs to be male.
Charlie ended up being born a female.
So you see that scene in the miniatureswhere she's trying to feed the baby.
You see the mom, like, tryingto breastfeed the baby.
Yes, yes.
She's
like trying to, she was trying todo all of the rituals and summoning
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spells and whatever you want tocall it to, uh, to get the baby
possessed with Piedmon's spirit.
So he, it was successful with Charlie.
Charlie was Piedmon.
And then when she died, whichwas actually planned, hence the
sigil on the telephone pole.
Yeah, absolutely.
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It was like made to happen so that thespirit would be free to then embody Peter.
So the whole thing was gettingPeter ready for him to be possessed.
with this demon.
Wow.
There you go.
Look at this.
Watch the movie first beforeyou listen to all that.
Yeah, because I justspoiled it all for you.
But yeah,
interesting, right?
It's very interesting.
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And you've got, you mentioned, uh, thelady that she meets at the grocery store.
Yes.
Now this, this is when,
yes,
this movie, she's fantastic too.
She is.
This movie just keepsdelving off into chaos.
Like, yeah, further, further, furtherinto the darkest holes you can go.
And she meets this lady, and she sayssomething about a seance, basically,
(44:50):
and Tony Collette, Annie, laughs off.
She's like, you can
see your daughter again.
I saw my grandson.
She thought she met her just like griefcounseling, like this grief support group.
Um, when actually she wasn'tpart of that group at all.
She just like showed up, and gother little claws into Annie, and
was like, come on, you can do this.
You can do this with me.
I know it sounds crazy, but you cansummon spirits, and I went to this
(45:12):
seance, and it changed my life.
And, um, I will say, just side note onthat, um, I do believe in mediumship.
I do believe in ethical mediumship.
So anybody that's, uh, you know, tryingto, um, play upon your grief or, uh,
you know, using your grief for, uh, Forearning money, or, um, you know, just
(45:35):
be real cautious and careful with peoplewho claim to be a medium, or who can do
a seance, and contact your loved ones.
First of all, make sure it'sconsensual, and that they're ethical
about it, and, um, that's all I haveto say about that part of the movie.
None of this
Miss, this Miss Cleo stuff.
Remember Miss Cleo?
She made a whole bunch of money,and then came out as a fraud, and
then made a whole bunch more money.
Yeah.
(45:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, don't be there are
certain mediums I think that,um, and I don't even mind mediums
charging for their services.
I just think that people needto be cautious about, you know,
trust your instinct when you meetsomeone who's like, I can contact
your loved ones from beyond and,
you know.
1995! One time payment!
Yeah.
Don't fall for that?
(46:16):
No.
Just, you know, you can feel it whenit's like, I feel good about this
person or I feel kind of like, Ew.
Ew.
Yeah.
So this woman kind of preyed upon her.
She did.
Because she's like, You'regrieving for your daughter.
You can talk to her again.
I promise.
I talked to my grandson.
He was there.
It was PM on the whole time.
Wow.
And then we get the seance scene.
(46:36):
Yeah.
With Annie, Charlie, the dad.
Yeah.
She brings them all in.
She's like, Well, I mean,
Peter.
Peter the son, I guess.
Peter,
yeah.
There's
Yeah, yeah.
This is, in this scene,
it is, and
it's one of those, onceagain, it drags on.
It's like, you're like, Oh my gosh, a lot
of like long pauses and silenceswhere you're like, what is happening?
(46:58):
What's going to happen?
And it just builds the intensity.
They really.
Ari Aster really, we're likea, we're like a catch toy.
He's out there just doing this with us.
Like that's what it is.
The entire movie we're gettingbeat up on, knowing that he can
go in for the kill at any minute,but it just, it's just relentless.
(47:20):
And that scene ends up kind of like itbuilds up and builds up and builds up.
And when Charlie's voicecomes out of her mouth.
Oh, that's wild.
That's
when I'm, I'm talking Oscar worthy.
Oh.
Because she changes from themom, from Annie, into Charlie.
Charlie, right there.
And her voice that comes out of her mouth.
Oh, it's crazy.
But then it kind of falls flat, right?
(47:40):
Yeah.
It doesn't really give you the.
Yeah.
Horror like thing you're waiting for.
Because it kind of teases you.
It does.
Till later.
What happens later?
Oh my gosh, just when it reallyhits the fan, like when the climax
of the movie starts hitting, all Iwant to say is Don't be fooled by
(48:02):
the action happening in the scene.
Make sure you look around in the shadows.
Pay
attention
to what's going on in the dark becausethere's so much going on that If
you were just watching the action,you'd be like, this is so boring.
Peter is taking forever to get out of bed.
Yep.
That scene, right?
(48:23):
Where he's like, mom?
This is the entire end, the entireclimax, the, the, the pinnacle
here basically was a stage play.
It's, it's everything has got tobe perfect or that doesn't happen.
The entire scene can't happen, right?
Like that's, it had to have beenalmost, well, it definitely was.
(48:43):
It was definitely.
Choreograph, we'll call it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um.
Because everything had to line up.
It's fluid, yeah.
It did.
It had to line up perfectly, orelse none of that could happen.
Walk us through that scene.
Well,
basically Annie, nowpossessed, with Piedmon, okay?
(49:07):
Dad's dead.
Oh yeah.
In a horrific blaze of firethat Annie was trying to avoid.
She was trying to say like, you gottado this, I can't do it, but I, she
was willing to sacrifice her own lifeto destroy the journal, to get, you
know, to end this whole nightmare.
But when she threw it in thefire herself, it wasn't her that
(49:29):
lit on fire, it was her husband.
Yeah.
Right.
And he lights up, he's, he's gone.
And Peter's just waking upfrom his Incident at school,
and he's like looking for her.
She's already there in the room
And it's just there's all kinds of whole
chase happening.
(49:50):
He runs into the attic She'sbanging her head on the attic
door that part freaked me out.
I was like Like that was when I startedwatching through my fingers By that point
when she's like trying to get into theattic and some people asked online they
were like well how does she get intothe attic because he closes the door but
there's people in the attic there's peoplefrom the cult already waiting already in
(50:15):
the attic and so when he turns around whenhe finds the body missing and he turns
around uh she's already up there with him
just intense it's it's scary it'sIt's, so horror movies don't really
scare too many people out there.
There's a lot of people who canreally handle them and watch them
(50:38):
and love them because they can seethrough it and they're like, I get it.
I, this isn't that, no, not this one.
No.
Like this is one that will stick with you.
It will scar you.
Yeah.
A morning.
It will scar you out thereif you watch this movie.
Yeah.
I think it's because itruns through a family.
Yes.
And no one, again, like mostof our movies, a lot of our
movies in this series, we'vesaid, There's no happy ending.
(51:01):
You don't see them like make it out aliveor you don't see Peter like, you know, in
those old movies when it was like Peter'sthe lone survivor and someone's putting
a blanket around him and he's gettingput in an ambulance and everybody's
like, it's okay, it's gonna be all right.
This is what you want to happen.
Yeah, it does not happen.
The good
old days of horror movies.
They tie things up withneat bloody bow, right?
(51:22):
Basically
the cult wins in this one.
I mean, this is, they, they achievewhat they set out to achieve, which
was to get Pee on a body to inhabit.
And, and that's what happens.
And it
leaves it kind of open like you're,you, I mean, we got, we're sitting
here interpreting the movie andthi and this movie has been out
for a while and people were stillinterpreting different parts of it.
(51:43):
Yeah.
And picking out little pieces andsaying, oh, well wait a minute.
I mean, you, you pulledout the three heads thing.
Like that's amazing.
Yeah.
So the grandma, um,yeah, Charlie, uh, and.
Annie, eventually.
Yep.
Beheads herself.
Yep.
And I think they needed the threeheads in order to conduct the ritual.
To get Pym on there.
(52:04):
Okay.
It had to be like, their paymentfor, um, conjuring him and
having him come back in a body.
And then it's, and
so the movie ends and And we're left athome still questioning our sanity even
more than I know when we started, right?
Like that's
Yeah, see we're sitting here now.
I'm like Yeah, i'm like what did wesee I mean the movie's incredible
(52:28):
Yeah, this is the only one thatafter the end all of us I watched
all of them with my husband.
We watched them together and by the endof all of them even like suspiria Yeah,
which was real gory at the end thereI turned the TV off, and I was like,
Alright, time to go get ready for bed.
Yeah, I can go, I can sleep
comfortable at night, yeah.
This was the only one that I waslike, Matt said, uh, Oh, I've
(52:49):
already gotten ready for bed, soI'm just gonna head up to bed.
And I was like, You'regonna leave me alone?
You're like,
hang on, turn the lights on, turnthe lights on, keep the lights on.
I
think you should just come with me,and we'll go, and I'll get ready
for bed, and you'll stand there nextto me while I get ready for bed.
And then we'll go upstairstogether, in the dark.
Together.
Yes,
yes.
That's good, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
(53:09):
This movie, it, it still bothers me now.
Like, it's, what are your final thoughts?
What, do you have anymore points you gotta hit?
I know we could talk about it forever.
We could.
Yeah.
I know.
Um, I do want to point out, Istill want to claim that this
isn't technically a witch movie.
Yes.
I would like to say that becauseI would like to say that.
(53:29):
This group of people, even though they'reconducting rituals and spells, um, the way
that I like to view and portray a witch,or a pagan, or, uh, someone who, um,
maybe operates in a spirituality closerto mine, uh, this would be more like a
cult than it would be a coven of witches.
(53:50):
So That would be my final thought, ismaybe take that part loosely and enjoy the
movie for the entertainment that it is.
Absolutely.
The miserable entertainmentthat it is, right?
My final thought on this movie isTony Collette, damn it, an Oscar.
Get her one now.
Yep.
That's it.
That's all I got to say about it.
(54:10):
I'll present
it to her myself.
You know what though?
This is, yeah, right?
We'll get it.
We will make an Oscar.
We'll bring it to her.
And we'll get Toni Collette.
Okay,
Toni.
Reach out.
We got you, girl.
We might as well wrap this wholething up because this is the end.
This is the end of the project,but maybe it's just the end of
season one because I looked.
I looked.
(54:30):
And I saw that they had 167more witch movies on IMDb.
Are you ready to go through some more?
Um, maybe not 167, but for sure,let's, let's work through that list.
We can get season two.
Maybe it'll be something different.
Maybe it'll be something different.
I mean, this first season, itwas only going to be a, well,
(54:52):
at first it was a pipe dream andthen it turned into real stuff.
And then we started watching movies.
And then we ended up with,with Robin Lively herself.
We had Ryan Bartley from, uh,her anime queen out there from,
uh, different movies and stuff.
And then we're here.
This is our guest.
Our final guest is the own location set.
(55:12):
Like we took this thing and ran with it.
Now
it's been a blast.
I want to
hear what other people out there got tosay and what they want to see us do next.
Because I'm thinking, I don't know,maybe we can do some gory movies, you
know, the kinds I like, where the, theyhave a mask on and they got a knife
(55:33):
and you know who it is and that's it.
Yeah, and I will, I will agree with you onthe next time we do a live podcast event.
Yes.
Let's do adults only and we'lldo one of the hardcore ones.
Arc the Clown.
Autopsy of Jane Doe.
The Terrifiers and stuff.
Oh, oh, okay.
We'll do the Autopsy of Jane Doe.
I owe you that, but I feel likewe need a good group of adults.
(55:54):
Yes.
That are into that kind of thing,they can really enjoy it with us.
I'm down.
I think that would be a blast.
I'm down.
We should screen it in a cemetery.
How about that?
Yeah.
Maybe in a morgue.
Ooh.
Anybody out there know a morgue?
We can film the nextlive podcast taping in.
I'd love to do that.
That'd be fun.
Yeah,
reach out.
Yeah, reach
out to us.
Until the end, that's us.
That's it.
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