Embracing Mabon: The Magic of the Harvest Season w/ Amanda Norr

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Hello and welcome backto Practically Magic.
This is Courtney Pearl, yourhost and your local folk witch.
I have a co -host with me today.
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I'm Amanda Knorr and I am a fourtimes international bestselling
author of some co -authored books.
My first book was Lunar Wisdom andI personally have sold a hundred

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copies of Lunar Wisdom and I wastold by my publisher that only
10 % of self -published authorsever sell that many copies.
B Norr [00:13.509]
I'm Amanda Knorr and I am a fourtimes international bestselling
author of some co -authored books.
My first book was Lunar Wisdom andI personally have sold a hundred
copies of Lunar Wisdom and I wastold by my publisher that only
10 % of self -published authorsever sell that many copies.
So, and then I, yeah, and I'm alsoa professional card reader that
takes the personal development.
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Yay!
Amanda B Norr [00:42.551]
slant in reading the cards, so it'sgot a coaching element and I do, I'm
a certified moon knowledge as well.
So I do moon readings and help peoplework with their astrological chart to
work with the energies of the moon.
I've done that for Courtney and yeah.
Yes,
and then I, yeah, and I'm alsoa professional card reader that
takes the personal development.
Yay!
slant in reading the cards, so it'sgot a coaching element and I do, I'm

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a certified moon knowledge as well.
So I do moon readings and help peoplework with their astrological chart to
work with the energies of the moon.
I've done that for Courtney and yeah.
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so helpful in learning about myselfbecause I often refer to it when I'm
like, let me just ask this question.
Like, why is this happeningand what is going on?

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And I go back to my chart, notthat I can read most of it.
It's very complicated, but I can atleast get some ideas about myself.
It's helped me time and timeagain is what I'm saying.
kind of get a simplified down and dirty,you know, but enough that then you
can go, okay, the moon is doing this.
How does that impact me?
So.
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Yes, helped me so much.

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So here we are.
We've been discovering trueand real magic in the world.
And so we're here toshare it with you today.
And we've each decided to pull a card.
I don't happen to have
I don't
the season of the witch Oracle deckfor Mabon, which is what our topic
of this episode is going to be about.
But no worries, Amanda did.

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provides.
The universe provides.
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So tell us
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So tell us what cardyou pulled for us today.
Amanda
All right, so I pulledthe Harvest Moon card.
I don't know if you can see that.
It's very ominous and beautiful.
talks the Harvest
And it talks the Harvest Moon is thefull moon around the fall equinox.

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So that's gonna be on the 17thand then we'll have the equinox.
And the card is about adaptingand adopting to a slower pace.
Mm -hmm.
Mmm.
which is what we do thistime of year, right?
We're going into fall, thingsare going into hibernation.
So, and then winter comes andso now is not the time to start

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like pushing and doing a lot.
But, and then in that slower pace,it really talked about being guided
to understand our self -care needs.
So maybe one day you needto dance, clothed or not in
your living room and scream.
a different day.
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need to go on a walk.
Maybe you need to go have lunchwith a friend a different day.
Yep.
but it's being in tune, taking thatslower pace and then thinking of what your

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needs are and finding ways to meet them.
that's perfect for thisepisode because that is kind
perfect for this episode becausethat is kind of what we're gonna be.
Perfect.
Yeah.
Yes, listeners, we are here to facilitateand guide you into your descent.
And we're going to circle back onthat too at the end of the episode,
because I have plans to kind ofwrap it up that same message.
And I think it's perfectthat you pulled that card.
I was using the magical Nordicdeck and I pulled the Ace of Wands.
So before we started, we werekind of on this like tarot
a geeking out momentwhere we're talking about
listeners, we are here to facilitateand guide you into your descent.
And we're going to circle back onthat too at the end of the episode,

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because I have plans to kind ofwrap it up that same message.
And I think it's perfectthat you pulled that card.
I was using the magical Nordic
deck.
But
deck and I pulled the Ace of Wands.
So before we started, we werekind of on this like tarot

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a geeking out moment where we'retalking about are ones fire element?
Are they air element?
And I was saying I typically readan air element unless the deck
is, you know, proves otherwise,I guess it depends on the deck.
But for me, I tend to read it moreas the air element, which is the

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mind and communication and thinking.
And
if that
as you were talking about theHarvest Moon, I was actually
just thinking this is for me.
a really great time ofyear to do all my planning.
Kind of my,
and for going into the
don't know, my inwardwork, if that makes sense.

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Just kind of like, let me lay out myschedule, let me lay out my plan for the
winter and for going into the season.
And I kind of like do allthat sort of mental work.
But it actually says onthe card, new adventures.
which I love, because you were talkingabout you going through some new
adventures, hoping, you know, this career.

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Send all the good vibes, but it's gonnastay on the DL till I get a notification.
out if you're going to be takingthis new adventure and all of that.
But a lot of people listeningright now might be in that same
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space where it's like, it's almostlike the start of a new school year is

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kind of a lot of people's new years.
what I was just thinking.
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it kind of depends on yourastrological chart too.
some people, it does feel likenew beginnings for them during the
fall time because they're like,
Yeah, that's what I was just thinking.
Okay, now what?
Like now we're settling into fall,going towards winter, looking ahead.
What

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talking about the Fall
do I want out of this?
Like what's gonna happen for me, right?
kind of addressing and recognizing that
Perfect.
Well, I want to start.
So we're talking about Mabon.
We're talking about the Fall Equinox.
And I want to start withjust kind of addressing and
recognizing that the name Mabon
their ways
was kind of thrown in as like,let's mark this milestone.

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Of course, the ancientancestors and pagans of old,
put
they had their ways of markingcertain times of the year, but it
wasn't until kind of the Wiccantradition that they decided to put it.
you know, with names on it and,
it.
wasn't, necessarily
you know, kind of slap on some names.
Mabon was slapped on.
I'm just going to say it.

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wasn't,
son of
necessarily associated with the Equinox.
mother.
Mordhron meaning
it was a story from Welsh mythology.
Mabon is the son of Mordhron,who is like the great mother.
Mordhron
storyline where King
meaning the great mother andMabon being the great son.
It's kind of a Christ archetype.
sort of storyline whereKing Arthur is involved.

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comes to
is wreaking
look for Mabon because the prophecysays he's the only one that can save the
people from this terrible bore that is
mother first, but
havoc on villages.
King Arthur and the knights ofthe round table, go looking for
all the

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Mabon.
They go to his mother first, buthe was stolen from his mother
when he was only three days old.
Modron
been missing him for
has cried all the riversof the seas and oceans.
She's grieved for her son.
She's been missing him for years.
And here comes this king and he'slike, hey, have you seen your son?
We're kind of looking for him.

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And she's like, of course not.
I've been looking.
She's like, I'm cryingthe tears of the ocean,
would I
I don't know.
Why would I be going
if I have seen him?
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would know if I had him.
So she's like, go ask theBlackbird if for all I care.
Like she kind of flippantlysays it like, you jerk.

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And Arthur goes to the Blackbird,because maybe he doesn't get sarcasm.
I don't know.
But he goes to the Blackbirdand he's like, where is
Arthur goes
Malbon's son of Modron?
And the Blackbird sends him onthis wild goose chase where he's
like, go find the oldest animal.
the Blackbird and
And I'm going to just briefly go throughit, but I will do a storytelling episode

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with this because it's a great story.
But he goes to the stag and the stag
where he's like, go
I don't know.
Go ask the owl.
So they go to the owl andthey're like, I don't know.
Go ask the eagle.
And the eagle says, I don't know.
Go ask the oldest animal,which is the salmon.
And in Celtic folklore, salmonoften represents knowledge.

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So it makes sense.
that he would go, the druids areknown to or believed by historians to
and they're like,
honor the rivers, fish beingsacred, that kind of thing.
So finally, Arthur and the Knightsof Round Table go to the salmon
and say, hey, we're lookingfor Maddabon, son of Maldron.
Have you seen him?

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And he's like,
represents
did you ask his mother?
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sense.
that he would go, the
That's my favorite part.
It's like the Welsh people hada sense of humor, obviously.
so
the rivers, fish beingsacred, that kind of thing.
So
Arthur's like, yeah, we did.
She doesn't know where he is.
And the salmon's like, well, actually Ihave seen light coming from a castle, you

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know, far up the river and I can take you,but I can only take two men at a time.
So you will come with me, King Arthur,and we will bring Mabon back with us.
Okay.
Clearly.
And so that's what happens.
And he is like the savior.
He's like the, you know, the Christ child.
He's the one that comes back tosave the people from the boar.

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So even though Mabon has like littleto nothing to do with this story,
And he
he is the savior and he comes backwith Arthur, which by the way, Arthur
boar.
So even though
is associated with bear in Welsh language.
Arth means bear.
And so there is some relationship to

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perhaps the North Star and the bearin the sky, the constellation, the
bear, just a little history forthose who love that kind of stuff.
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side notes.
Totally
So there you have it.
That's story of Mabon.
And as you can see, doesn't really havea whole lot to do with the Equinox.

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But some traditions have adapted overtime to become just part of something
that we now associate it with.
And some people like Mabon beingpart of the Equinox because it's sort
of a Demeter and Persephone story.
Like when Persephonereturns, spring comes back.

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This is when Perse...
the time of year when Persephone leavesto go to Hades in the underworld.
And so Demeter so aggrieved theloss of her daughter that we get
winter and the dead and Demeterbeing the goddess of harvest.
This is harvest season, right?
So
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yeah, so stories change.

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Stories take on new meaning.
And I kind of like that...
Definitely.
there is sort of an aspect youcan relate it to this time of
year and the descent into winter
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for this time.
So something so super interesting, right?
So as I learned about thewill of the year, right?
And it's kind of more of
of more of a modern

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a modern take on things.
farm.
I
I grew up on a farm.
I married a farmer.
So I have been a farmerfor almost 46 years, right?
And...
until I really started connectingwith the moon and with the cycles
and the seasons, I mean, I alwaysknow it's harvest time, right?
We always harvest the corn in September.

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Like, that's
like the
a thing.
And the thing with Mabon on thewill, when we talk about the whole
will, it's considered like thethird harvest, or I've heard it
called like, which is Thanksgiving.
And it honestly makes more sense to haveThanksgiving in September than November,
harvest.
it's like out,
things are available.
But it's true, and thenlike the third harvest.
it's like out, know, causewe do start harvesting.

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So like the first harvest islike the first of June, right?
Cause you plant everything in the spring.
crops of
the first harvest.
I mean, you end up with threeor four crops of hay and other
things throughout the year.
But then you hit like August time.
That's when you're harvestingthe wheat and things like that.
And then this is the time, right?
Where peaches are on, apples are on.

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Yeah.
Mm
you're gonna start later in the month,you're starting getting more pumpkins
and squashes and things like that.
so, and then I worked at afruit stand for a few years when
my kids were in high school.
So it's really interesting whenyou start actually, not a lot of
people have that experience whereyou're out working in the land.
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Yeah!
so when you actually line that up, andagain, it's for the Northern hemisphere,

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because clearly I have friends inAustralia and they are not the same.
Yeah!
Right?
Yeah.
But it's like, it's, but itis, it's just like reversed.
But that's the, that cycle.
And
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But it's like, it's, but itis, it's just like reversed.
But that's the, that cycle.
And then, and then taking that cycleand applying it to ourselves, right?
Like, so in the spring I'm planting,you know, like during the winter
I was like frozen, you know, andkind of nurturing under the earth.
And then I'm planting myself comespring and then I'm harvesting.
Mm
and then taking that cycle andapplying it to ourselves, right?
Like, so in the spring I'm planting,you know, like during the winter

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I was like frozen, you know, andkind of nurturing under the earth.
And then I'm planting myself comespring and then I'm harvesting.
Mm -hmm.
Yeah.
along the year and now again we'reat this time of year where we're
plucking like kind of like the finalgrowth celebrating that and we're
now slowing down for the winter again

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that
that's that's one thing thathas been interesting for me
because i'm like because it's
Yeah.
Right?
I mean, I go ride in thetractors with my husband.
I would never consider it anactual farming year if we didn't
have a tractor date at least once.
Right.
Where I go buy milkshakes andthen we ride and and whatever.

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only been the last few years where it'slike I actually go outside and I look
in the sky and I pay attention to theground and I'm like more connected.
And it's a whole different perspective.
go ride in the tractors with my husband.
I would never consider it anactual farming year if we didn't
have a tractor date at least once.
Right.
Where I go buy milkshakes andthen we ride and and whatever.
But it's only been the last few yearswhere it's like I actually go outside and
I look in the sky and I pay attention tothe ground and I'm like more connected.
And it's a whole different perspective.
Yeah.
And isn't it interesting?
I mean, as a farmer, I could see howthat directly links you to that cycle,

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that land, you know, acknowledgingthe relationship we have with land.
And that's kind of the journey thatyou and I been on even separately.
So it's fascinating.
We were just talking beforewe started recording about
how we've known each other.
I'm from Box Elder County where
where she lives and we've knowneach other for what, like 20 years?

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It
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Yeah.
And isn't it interesting?
I mean, as a farmer, I could see howthat directly links you to that cycle,
that land, you know, acknowledgingthe relationship we have with land.
And that's kind of the journey thatyou and I been on even separately.
So it's fascinating.
We were just talking beforewe started recording about
how we've known each other.
I'm from Box Elder County where
where she lives and we've knowneach other for what, like 20 years?
It feels like it.
think my daughter's 24 and
yeah.
first or second grade.
She was, yeah, she was young when wewere, yeah, we were dancing together.
She was my dance teacher.
But I, I think it's fascinating thathow many people have shifted from kind
of a traditional Christian dogma orfaith and have adopted sort of a pagan

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spirituality in some sense or another.
I would like to do a wholeepisode about that, just that.
But
For sure.
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we separately kind of did that.
For sure.
We sort of
to a place where we're
to a place where we're
to this
realizing or awakening to this ideathat there's something missing.

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There's something we weren't quiteunderstanding about the natural
world and the spirituality of that.
And we did kind of come to
separately.
Now, like
same kind of concepts separately.
Now, like coming back togetherand being like, you too?
Me too!
Right.
At the same time, like Iwas trying to follow you.
I was like, and like you kind ofpop up on social media because
we've been friends for so long.
And then like and then I'm like, wait, Iwas like, she's studying Mary Magdalene.
Like I just read this bookand I'm starting this thing.
I'm like, my gosh.
And then and then you were likethere was something else you did.
And I was like, wait a minute, what?
And then I did my moon thing and youwere doing like your art processing.
But then like we likekind of crossed those.
And then I'm like
you
feeling this draw like I need to reallyget in to study more Celtic mythology.
time, like I was trying to follow you.

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I was like, and like you kind ofpop up on social media because
we've been friends for so long.
And then like and then I'm like, wait, Iwas like, she's studying Mary Magdalene.
Like I just read this bookand I'm starting this thing.
I'm like, my gosh.
And then
I asked you
and then you were like therewas something else you did.
And I was like, wait a minute, what?
And then I did my moon thing and youwere doing like your art processing.

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But then like we likekind of crossed those.
And then I'm like
you
feeling this draw like I need to reallyget in to study more Celtic mythology.
That's a lot where my ancestry is.
And then it's like, and thenyou're like, going to Glastonbury.
And then we and then Iasked you about the class.
It's like, then we're takingthis class at the same time.
It's just been so funny.
Mm -hmm.
Yes!
Yes.
And that's kind of, it is so interesting.
And we're not alone.
I mean, that's what's reallyimportant to understand is that
like, that's kind of the group NuriShinkin that we both came a part of.
And we're going to celebrate Mabontogether this weekend at Nuri Shinkin.
But it's, it's a group of women and peoplethat have felt that sense of longing and
maybe even kind of tension in how do we
Mm
decolonize ourselves and understandour place as descendants of
Northern European immigrantswho came here and colonized this
Yes.

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And that's kind of,
of pain and
it is so interesting.
And we're not alone.
I mean, that's what's reallyimportant to understand is that like,
also honor
that's kind of the group NuriShinkin that we both came a part of.
And we're going to celebrate Mabontogether this weekend at Nuri Shinkin.
in
But it's, it's a group of women and peoplethat have felt that sense of longing and

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maybe even kind of tension in how do we
Mm
decolonize ourselves and understand ourplace as descendants of Northern European
immigrants who came here and colonizedthis land and feel the kind of pain and
loss and suffering that that is associatedwith, but also honor this land we live on.

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that
But also we don't really totallybelong in our home motherland either.
Even though that's where ourtraditions and folklore and mythology,
that's where that comes from.
But like if I were to go and justlike immigrate all of a sudden to
Ireland or Scotland, they wouldbe like, you're not Scottish.
You're
You don't belong here either.

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Right.
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know, one of the first Nourishing Canevents that I went to, they were kind
of talking about this idea of we'vealways kind of had one foot on the boat.
Right.
Like we've always felt a little bit like
You're not one of us.
You're a transplant.
Well, we could leave at any timeor this isn't really our land

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[ Well, we could leave at any time orthis isn't really our land and it
really isn't like our stories, ourculture, our folklore are not about
these mountains and these valleys andthese plants that belongs to someone
else who we colonized and pushed out.
But how do we reconcile thatin being able to honor both
the land we live on currently
and where we come from.
Right?
And to add to that, again, farming, right?
I grew up out on a farm.
live on a farm.
that people were here first.
Right?
Like
Finding artifacts and signsthat people were here first.
Right?
Like my cousin used to come homeand he'd find all sorts of different
obsidian and flint arrowheads, thingsthat my husband and I were out hiking.

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We found, you know, an arrowhead,you know, it's like, so we, it's,
so it's always being presentedthat, yeah, we own this land.
to suffer for me
The deed says our name on it,but somebody was here first.
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Right.
Yeah.
So for
And I thought that was interesting whenyou talked about having one foot in the

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boat, because I've not ever felt that.
I've never felt like, I could go thereand connect because I'm so here, but yet
And for me to start this
somebody had to suffer for me to be here.
But then my ancestors hadto suffer to get here and...
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
So for me, it's very liminal.
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Mmm.
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So I have to work with the landI'm on and the plants that I'm on.

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And then I study like the Celtic stuffand I feel like it's liminal and I go in
my head and it's almost like it connects,but it's very otherworldly because
needed.
And
isn't a place that I belong.
And for me to start this journey, mymental health like totally tanked.
to make everything
I didn't want to be here anymore.

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doesn't work.
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then that's where I learnedthat an organization
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And I felt,
isn't where the love is.
I was
That even though I have neighborsand whatever, they, nobody could
love me and give me what I needed.
And all the hoops and all the checklistsand everything that I was taught

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to live by, because that's whereeverything was going to make everything
wonderful, which is just like, no,
then let's add
this doesn't work.
Yeah.
And I felt, I got married whenI was 18 for a whole month.
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So by the time I was 20
Yeah.
Amanda
and I'm living on a family farm, multi-generations, my husband's the fourth

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generation and three generations werefarming together, I always felt like,
okay, like my husband, my father -inand grandpa, they all have more control
over my life and my future than I do.
health tanking and
then let's add a religiousorganization that's all about men.
there's a divine
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, so from the age of 20, I amlike, okay, there's like 20 to 21
men that have more control and sayover my life and what I do than me

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archetype and...
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And so the catalyst was my mentalhealth tanking and then going,
wait a minute, like I was alwaystaught there's a divine feminine.
I was always taught there's a goddess.
Where is she?
Nobody talks about her.
And so I'm like, okay, I'm gonna startlooking into the goddess archetype and...
Wow.
all goddesses, right?
And then when you bring in all themyths and how everything intertwines.

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And then I'm like, okay, I am sickof a man, regardless of who he
is, telling me how to be a womanand how to be a divine feminine.
they want
That doesn't work anymore.
And I think that's why so manyof us are on this journey.
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sure.
men cannot tell us how to be women.
They can tell us howthey want us to be quiet,

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Yeah.
Yeah.
around them to make them happy.
sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But when we start showing upwith our words, we get burned.
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[ Mm -hmm.
Yeah, yeah, which is, mean, and Ilove that you point out because having
grown up as a farmer, I think thatthat gives you such a different edge
on, I already know how it is to havethat relationship with the land or to
even see it as the goddess itself, themother who takes care of me, right?
The mother that's here.
And then like you said, liminal space.
is the mother that I came from andthey can both occupy space in my mind.
And I didn't grow up connecting itwith mother, but I would get frustrated
when people are like, well, the farmersare trying to poison us and whatever.
am like,
they're using a pesticide or
farmers, I've just always knownfarmers do more self care and land
rehab and are paying attention evenif they're using a pesticide or a

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herbicide, which everybody hates.
They're putting more conscious effort intothe earth and the land and preservation
than anybody because their entirelivelihood and survival depends on it.
And a lot of people don't understand that.
And then same with like theanimal husbandry, right?
Because we had a dairy farm,we sold the cows last year.

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My husband was fourthgeneration on the dairy farm.
My grandpa actually had milkcows before he went to sheep.
I grew up with my grandpa having sheep andmy other grandpa owning the woolen mill.
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Yeah.
Mm.
Okay.
Amanda
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Yeah.
Mm.
Okay.
Even with the animals and everyone's like,but the way animals are treated, like
whatever, I'm like, I had 27 years ofcows having better health care than me.

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Yeah,
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Yeah, that
that is so sad and so true.
Amanda B Norr
You know, like they got pregchecked, they got looked at.
I mean, I did have maternity care, youknow, with my pregnancies, but like if
they didn't feel good, they got medicineand we didn't have health insurance.
And so if I didn't feel good, I got to layon the couch and still figure out how to

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feed my kids, get them back and forth andsleep as much as possible and heal because
I wasn't going to get a prescription andI wasn't going to get a doctor visit.
And the cows got checked every year.
So it just, so it wouldget frustrating to me.
Yeah.
But then, yeah, then as this journey, it'slike, well, the land is the mother earth.
And then there's thesovereignty and all that.

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Then it's just like, thisall makes more sense.
yeah, then as this journey, it's like,well, the land is the mother earth.
And then there's thesovereignty and all that.
Then it's just like, thisall makes more sense.
But and so I with the stuff that I dowith farming, I really would like I'm
trying to embody and be that more becauseagain, more farmers are men than women.
But there's actually more women farmersand more women owned farms than there's
ever been to, which is incredible.
Yeah, all the connections.
Amanda B
and so I with the stuff that I do withfarming, I really would like I'm trying
to embody and be that more becauseagain, more farmers are men than women.
But there's actually more women farmersand more women owned farms than there's

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ever been to, which is incredible.
Yeah, all the connections.
And so it's kind of like, okay, let'sshift our minds from even though they're
caring for it and it is a bit of a self-interest, but it's also because they
really love to just work really hardand feed people that they don't know.
I mean, that's literally what it is.
They enjoy what they do and they knowthey're serving the world because

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they're providing food for peoplethat people, if they don't do that,
it's not going to be in the store.
And...
Yeah.
Yeah.
And yet let's shift that themewhere it is more of a mother earth
versus just, you know, it's a whole,it's really interesting to me.
Ride
Yeah.
And that does kind of pull you back.
Like the idea of like

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comes from directly from the earth.
You're able to pull it back into what was
what this harvest season representsfor you, you with a more personal
nature to where the food comesfrom directly from the earth.
You're able to pull it back into what wasthis time of year really like for ancient
people who were like, listen, if we don'tget the food we need, like if we don't
harvest enough, we don't survive winter.

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our children won't survive winter.
So it really kind of puts that intoperspective, even as we talk about, you
know, celebrating this harvest season,understanding it within ourselves, but
also kind of taking a moment to sayphysically, not just in a spiritual or
traditional manner, but physically, thisis what our ancestors would have been.

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So this is when they would have beenmaking offerings to their deities
and doing that spiritual work becausethey would have been like, this is our
Mm
Well, and it's and it'sit's the culmination, right?
It's the third harvest right now.
And so it's the culmination of everything.
And so in those offerings, you're
Well,
countries, that's like why we can get
survival.
it's it's the culmination, right?
It's the third harvest right now.
And so it's the culmination of everything.
And so in those offerings, you'reoffering gratitude because it's what

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you're going to live off of next.
And with the world economy, soeveryone's got different climates.
So as people import and exportcountries, that's like why we can get
survival.
Yeah.
Right.
fresh fruit from Mexico when wecan't grow it in like California

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and all that kind of stuff.
But again, if we're not thinking, we'rethinking spiritually, but we also need
to think land because if we didn't havepeople doing that, we'd go into the
grocery store and have empty shelves.
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something that I had even consideredin like thinking, what are we

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going to talk about with Mabon?
Like what do I want people to understandor take away from understanding what
Mabon is to those of us who practice magicor those of us who are in a spiritual
realm, but also like why it matters tothe world no matter what you believe.
you live.

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Yeah.
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Wherever you live, whateveryou do, you do need to eat.
Wherever you live, whateveryou do, you do need to eat.
We all want food at thegrocery store when we go.
Yeah,
We all want food at the
it's opposite.
So they're planting right now, right?
And we're harvesting and then flip
Yeah, so I
when they're having their Mabon that
but they're harvesting, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.

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in both.
Yeah, so I was thinking like, causewhen we're having our Beltane, right?
We're planting, butthey're harvesting, right?
Yeah.
Ride
yeah.
So the opposite wheels of the year.
And honestly, and this is why NuriSinkin or any kind of group that kind
of just brings forward that whetheryou're using the Wheel of the Year,
the Wiccan calendar, you know, the waythat they set it up or whether you're

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just acknowledging that there's more to
of just brings forward that
mark those occasions throughoutthe year and to, I mean, just
create kind of a mindfulnessaround what is the season about?
What does this mean to me?
And for someone who, from myperspective, was not a farmer,
around what is
dad, we lived on a peach orchard andmy dad took out probably three peach

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trees on accident when we moved intoour house, because he'd fire up the
tractor and he'd be like, whoops.
And he grew up there.
That was his home, his familyhome from when he grew up.
And yeah, we were not farmers.
Let's just say
And he
Not great at the wholeplanting and harvesting.
And I do try, but I think,
Yeah
I sort of wrote it off aslike, that's just not me.

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I'm not good at that until I startedto want that and want like, what
would it be to have a relationshipwith my, even my little suburban
house in a little suburban yard?
What would it be like to know everyplant that grows in my yard and
every, you know, and to like havemy hands in the dirt and have my own

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relationship with this land I live on.
giving it the honor that it deserves andthe relationship it deserves that maybe
some of those people that lived here,the indigenous people that lived on this
land would have done while they createdtheir folklore and stories and mythology
around these mountains, these plants.

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So
on this land
just being able to kind of marrythat idea that yes, I celebrate
and I come from a more...
Celtic ancestry and I try to adaptthat into my life as much as possible.
It is more of a liminalspace because I'm not there.
Those mountains are not here with me.
I have to imagine them.

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And then what do I haveright here in front of me?
That is what I have and marrythose two ideas into just having
relationship with land, right?
have and marry those two
Yeah.
just having relationship
Okay, so I did kind ofwrite down a couple of the
kind of write down
know, ancient traditions, we talkabout kind of during Mabon so that
people who maybe aren't familiarwith it would know what is this?

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Why, what are we talking about?
A lot of the people when they didfestivals would do bonfires as, you
know, for practical reasons, becausethey're probably burning off things,
off things, dead things
dead things and diseased, youknow, plants and whatever excess
things that they had to burn off.
But it was also like a
Amanda B Norr

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And now's the time of the year,depending on where you live, that the
wheat, they're burning their fields.
They're burning the stubble sothat it integrates back into the
ground that they can dig it upand have it ready for spring.
So there's that fire aspect modernly too.
Yes.
Yeah.
The fire.
Yeah.
And then the symbolic death, youknow, fire and rebirths was that
those ashes and that is going tonourish the soil to be able to grow.
You know more about that than I do.
I'm like, nourish the soil.
Here's how I nourish the soil.
I take some of my hair andI'm like, here you go, plants.
Yeah,
for spring.
So there's that fire aspect modernly too.
Yes.
Yeah.
The fire.
Yeah.
And then the symbolic death, youknow, fire and rebirths was that

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those ashes and that is going tonourish the soil to be able to grow.
You know more about that than I do.
I'm like, nourish the soil.
Here's how I nourish the soil.
I take some of my hair andI'm like, here you go, plants.
Yeah, and
and the birdies will go,that's good nesting material.
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want to use it.
It is also like to light the darkbecause we're going into the dark season.

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So it's sort of a symbolic gestureof, you know, even if you were to
be celebrating this time of yearand lighting candles and lighting
something that represents the fire inyour house, you could do it that way.
Like you said, I
It's the Thanksgiving.
Like you said, I think it's an evenbetter time to do a Thanksgiving of like
thanks for the abundance of this harvest.

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I do, I really do.
no gathering.
It had a lot of associationswith the goddess of harvest.
The Celtic goddess of harvestwas Brachycha or Brachyca.
wrong.
was trying to kind
I might be saying it totally wrong.
was trying to kind of put that Welsh,like how would how would a Gaelic purse,

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know, speaking Gaelic say it, but.
Amanda
still have, I downloaded Duolingo, butI, but I haven't put Welsh on there yet.
It's just
I'm doing my best, but whenit comes to actually speaking
it, it's a whole other thing.
porridge.
Yeah.
I can translate a sentence pretty goodby now, but not actually speak it.
But yeah, she was the goddess ofharvest and her name comes from the

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association of mead and harvestingthe barley and the cereal crops in
Northern European time of harvest.
porridge.
Yeah.
being the most commonmeal of the Middle Ages.
This is kind of where thattime of year comes from.

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But how do you personally, like asmore modern neo -pagans, how do you
personally kind of prepare for the season?
So I'm pretty solitary, right?
So the one thing I did was I'm goingto nourishing kin this weekend.
I feel like I live so far awayfrom everything cool, because I'm
up clear at the top end of Utah.
Yeah, I'm closer to Idaho thanI am to Salt Lake, like legit.
And everything cool happens inSalt Lake and Provo, like whatever.
So I usually just kindof do things myself.
the one thing I did was I'm goingto nourishing kin this weekend.

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I feel like I live so far awayfrom everything cool, because I'm
up clear at the top end of Utah.
like Southern Idaho
Yeah,
up there.
Amanda
closer to Idaho than I amto Salt Lake, like legit.
And everything cool happens inSalt Lake and Provo, like whatever.
decks now.
So
So I usually just kindof do things myself.
You'd like Southern Idaho up there.

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pull a card.
Like I have, I've got those decks now.
So now I'm like, for this season, Ipull a card and then I'll like pull
several cards throughout that timeand just connect that way for myself.
But it is going outside and I did learnhow, okay, like I'll have to explain this.
I learned how to drivethe swather this year.
The swather is what we use to cut hay.

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Okay?
So it's this nice big machine, it'shuge, big long teeth, you know, that
you just drive back and forth inthe field and cut and it makes the
rows and then the baler comes behindand puts it in the cubes, you know?
Sounds like an allergy -worstnightmare, but alright.
Sounds like an allergy - worstnightmare, but alright.
And I have allergies, crazily enough,they haven't bothered me doing that.
So that's been kind of nice.
And I think that's why I kindof, even though I love doing farm

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things, I backed off a lot becauseof allergies or raising kids.
I am not as talented as my husbandto have a kid in a tractor with
me and then do all the whatevers.
But
Wow.
Okay.
just a lot of those things.
And then I'm just moreintentional about it.
Like when I'm outside and I'm likeon the side of the ditch and I'm like
looking at the crop and just kind ofthinking more of the earth and the
cycle that we're at and being outside.
And I'm like, I'm a crystal person, right?
I go to the crystal shops and spenda lot of money, but it's also really
interesting because I mean, just dumbrocks that are around, but sometimes
I like this rock is like, pick meup and I'll just, you know, hold it.
Yeah.
helped a little bit morewith irrigating this year.

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Okay.
Yeah.
Wow.
Okay.
just a lot of those things.
And then I'm just moreintentional about it.
Like when I'm outside and I'm likeon the side of the ditch and I'm like
looking at the crop and just kind ofthinking more of the earth and the
cycle that we're at and being outside.
And I'm like, I'm a crystal person, right?
I go to the crystal shops and spend a lotof money, but it's also really interesting

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because I mean, just dumb rocks that arearound, but sometimes I like this rock is
like, pick me up and I'll just, you know,
yes, I know all about that.
Amanda B Norr
So and like it's just it's just a rocklike no one's gonna spend any money
on at the crystal shop but it doessomething to me to just ground me or

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live in the mountains
and then because i live in the mountains
changes and whatever.
So for
or around the, you see thecolor changes and whatever.
So for me personally, I just getmore intentional and I like to use
the wheel to just kind of mark itjust so that I can bring that in.
And since I'm pretty much the onlyperson in my family that does it, I kind

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of just have to do it solo and on thequiet or like, I mean, I'll take the
grandkids and like, well, let's go ona hike or, you know, things like that.
So it's
Yeah, and lot of people are practicingsolitary witchcraft too, I mean.
Amanda
of do what I'm drawn to.
I've just really learned to follow myintuition and just to listen to myself.

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So you were talking about my newadventure that I'm hoping for,
and it started back in February.
That's where the intention came.
And I've been building and watchingthis intention and going through
moon cycles and going through theseason cycles, how things have
gone and then listening to myself.
and I had to do likethis very physical thing.

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So I'm like, OK, how do I build muscles?
How do I get endurance?
How do I push my lungs past theircovid scars and all that kind of stuff?
And I'll say I've lostover 30 pounds since March.
yeah, and for me, I justkind of do what I'm drawn to.
I've just really learned to follow myintuition and just to listen to myself.
So you were talking about my newadventure that I'm hoping for,
and it started back in February.
That's where the intention came.
And I've been building and watchingthis intention and going through
moon cycles and going through theseason cycles, how things have
gone and then listening to myself.
and I had to do likethis very physical thing.
So I'm like, OK, how do I build muscles?
How do I get endurance?
How do I push my lungs past theircovid scars and all that kind of stuff?
And I'll say I've lostover 30 pounds since March.
Wow
Wow
Everyone's like, are you on the shot?
Are you doing like this?
And it's literally justevery day I just body.

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What do I need to do today?
How do I need to eat?
I can stand in the kitchen and be like,OK, I need to eat something, but I don't
know what, know, and it's like protein.
We want protein becausewe're building muscles.
so.
that is like ridiculous.
I have a 45 pound vest
Yeah.
Yeah.
of just taking the things that I'veknown and then like because one thing
that I've done and it just everybody'slike, that is like ridiculous.
I have a 45 pound vest because I am ona volunteer fire department and every

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year we have to do it's called thepack test where you wear 45 pounds.
You have to walk three miles and youhave to do it in less than 45 minutes.
So I bought my own vest to kind of juststay active and then my husband has one.
So I put the vest on andthen I put his vest on.
So that's 90 pounds.
And then I just go up and downmy stairs because I was like,
I need strength in my legs.
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Yeah.
And
That's incredible.

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initial first thing I did was, because Iwas like, I don't even know what to do,
was like, can I get down on my knees andstand up without having to grab on things?
So I just did just littlethings to build up.
And I've been doing that all year long.
Yeah.
That's incredible.
amazing.
Amanda

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and then we're at this point.
So it's like.
talk about you and I being partof the collective consciousness.
So I was basically likea couple of months ago.
You know, I had been gainingweight and I had been not mindful
about what I was eating and how Iwas moving and things like that.
But I it wasn't really thatthat kind of sparked it.
was more that listening to your bodyand my body was like, I want to move.

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I want to move.
I want
Mm -hmm.
Like I just kept having this feelingor these, these urges to like run as
fast as I could across a field or justlike, I wanted to go to bed tired, but
not like in a, I'm just tired way, butlike, want to be exhausted physically.

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I want my body to feel tired.
Like that, like when you're walkingDisneyland or something all day
long and you're like, I'm so tired.
Well, and see,
into a
yeah.
Amanda
to be like, because I was like that.
So like in my 20s when I would exercise,I would overtrain and I didn't.
really I'm doing more now than Idid then, but I was always tired.

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Like, I can exercise and make dinnerwas like all I had energy for ever.
And so I was reallyafraid for a long time.
Like I don't, I don'twant to do something.
So I'm always tired.
And then I can't deal with stuff.
But when you talk about running,like I'm going on a walk and then
all of a sudden, like a song wouldhit in my phone and then I'm running
and I am like, why am I running?

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like a song would hit in my
to run.
running and I am like, why am I
sucks.
And my body's like, well,this is what we want to do.
Cause it's going to help.
it's going to help.
Okay.
So I do go on runs
Okay.
So I do go on runs now, but
I don't like it still.
I know, I understand
When my body says, we're running, I'mlike, okay, I guess we're running.

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And then my lungs are like, whoo.
And it's like, but that's buildingthat endurance that I need.
So
and I have heard a lot of,
was
know, kind of mystics and people inthe kind of world and language we speak
that have said that Mabon is a reallygreat time for grounding and embodiment.

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So I'm thinking this is allrelated to the time of year two
of just being able to recognize
know,
I'm doing is just,
understand
or how much of it is, am Ireally listening to my body?
mindful about like what my bodyis asking for, what it needs.
And in my trusting and

(40:30):
Wave
the wisdom of what my body has to offerrather than just being like, I got
to get on a diet and a exercise planand I got to do, you know, all these
things that work for everybody else,
great time for grounding and embodiment.
So I'm thinking this is all relatedto the time of year two of just
being able to recognize how much of
but being more like mindfulabout your own body and your
personal choices and what you do.
ask me, it's like, well, and then if Imuscle test and they just look at me like.

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I get this intuitive thing,like this is what I should do.
And then I'm like, am I sure?
So then I'll muscle test.
I'm like, yes, go do this.
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Norr [40:32.761]
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so when people ask me, it'slike, well, and then if I muscle
test and they just look at me like.
I get this intuitive thing,like this is what I should do.
And then I'm like, am I sure?
So then I'll muscle test.
I'm like, yes, go do this.
Yeah, yeah, the kinesiologymuscle testing is a super, super
powerful, helpful tool in those
that's why I just taught mydaughter, because she had allergies
all as a kid, and we could neverfind the right thing for her.

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So we would just lay out the differentmedications and we would just
muscle test which to take and howmuch just to control her allergies.
so even in college, she'd call me, Mom,I need you to muscle test this for me.
I'm driving.
And so was like, okay,like I know it works.
So that's what I do.
so.
So.
Yeah.
always worked very well for me.
worked very well for me.
what's working for me now, I wasdoing what I was told to do before.

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This is the exercise medicine.
This is what you do.
This is how you do it.
And now I'm just like,
today.
I'm eating less.
I
my body feels like this today.
My body feels like this today.
You know,
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Yeah,
want to eat this today.
I'm not hungry today.
I'm eating less.
I want more carbs today.
They're not so evil.
Like, I don't know.
It's just,

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yeah, lot of
the grounding and embodiment, right?
And the land we're on, like go standoutside with your feet on the grass.
and look at
Take a few breaths in thedark and look at the moon.
If you can't see themoon, look at the stars.
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Yes.
Yeah, yeah, even just a couple of
just close your eyes.
you know.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, even just a couple of minutes.
Mm -hmm.
Go inward and then experiencethe environment around you.

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Amanda
Go inward and then experience the
And I guess if you don't have grass andyou can't go to a park, then put some
Epsom salt in your bath and just soak.
Yeah.
that sounds lovely.
Especially, you know, cold season, peopleare getting kind of scratchy throats
and stuff around a lot late around here.
They have a lot of people have I had afriend just tell me this morning when she
was living in Germany, she would go to thedoctor and be like, I'm getting a cold.
getting these things.
She's like, you know, expecting kindof the American response of like, well,
here's a prescription for these things.
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people are getting kind ofscratchy throats and stuff

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around a lot late around here.
They have a lot of people have I had afriend just tell me this morning when she
was living in Germany, she would go to thedoctor and be like, I'm getting a cold.
getting these things.
She's like, you know, expecting kindof the American response of like, well,
here's a prescription for these things.
Well, and school starts,and so you throw them all.
And the German doctor wrote herprescription, gave it to her.

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She took it to the pharmacy or chemistand they were like, yeah, this is an
eucalyptus bath and put together a littlepackage of eucalyptus and epsom salts
and was like, here, go take a bath.
Amanda
sounds so wonderful.
I'm like, that's great.
That's my kind of jam.
Yeah.
So for some of us
I'm like, that's great.
some of
That's my kind of jam.
Yeah.

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So for some of us that are celebratingand some of the things we're going
to be doing at Nourishing Kin that
we do, we're
has helped me adopt that intomy family and what we do,
I've been at
we're going to be making besams.
So for the last, I've been at the last,
four?
Amanda B Norr
my gosh,
you've gone to
Mabons has it been now?

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Three or four?
Yeah, you've been able, causeyou down there, you get to go
Yeah, I'm down there so I can
to go to one.
Yeah.
the online ones, but I've only everbeen able to attend one in -person
one and that was last October.
I know I'm trying to think.
I think this is our third year
we're about to start.
So I've been at every
we're about to start.
So I've been at everyMabon with nursing kin.

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I think that was the veryfirst one we did too.
And for the last twoyears we've done Beesums.
So we make a witch's broom.
We take a bunch of
says third year.
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dried things, leaves, whatever,and we tie them to a stick.
We can put charms on them.
We can decorate it.
The first one I made
I think it says third year.
I actually left there at the campsitebecause I couldn't find it in the dark.

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Oops.
So I didn't get to keep it, but
Wave Media
year and it's been sitting in myhouse all year collecting energy.
I like to use the brooms, especiallyif I buy the scented ones,
cinnamon scented ones and stuff,and I put them over my doorways.
And I use it intentionally forcollecting energy as it comes through

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the door, sweeping energy out.
dear.
you know, when people leave sothat they're kind of cleansed
as they walk through my doorway.
I haven't made one at nourishingkin, I did go and I made one and
it is a hang at my back door.
And then sometimes I just kind of takeit off and I just kind of go around
my house and sweep the air because I'mlike, we got to clear some stuff out.

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Ride The
it works.
Before I even studied anyenergy work whatsoever, did that
Before I
intuitively.
I just started to be like, there issome stagnant yuck in this house.
Everybody's at each other's throats.
Everybody is mad at each other.
So I'm like, we're just going togo around and collect the energy.
And I would pick it like cobwebs outof the corners and just go like this.

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And then we would push it out the door.
now
pick it
I do that with the broom.
But this is a great time, you know, justto create a ritual and there's no, you
know, and fast rule about this, but welike to burn ours in the campfire and
then make a new one so that you have likecleanse the energy of the old year and
welcome the new energy of the new year.

(46:01):
And, you know, kind of aritual of starting over.
A lot of us that have altars in ourhouse, we will take, like you were saying,
pulling cards for the season and thendecorate your altar with those cards.
and some things like wheat and cornand items that kind of represent
this time of year as you're offering

(46:24):
take,
candles to burn, things likethat, certain colors that
remind you of this time of year.
And so that's, you know, not necessarilythat it has to have a direct correlation
to ancient traditions, but just that
candles to
are kind of
the ancestors of our descendants, getto kind of make what we feel is going

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to honor ourselves, honor the goddess,if you so choose, or source, honor
we are kind of
the time of year.
Just honor this place in your life, right?
make what we feel is going
Now, because you are the authorof Lunar Wisdom, this is something
that I've been trying to kind of usemore and more in my healing work,

(47:07):
place in
whether it's for self or for clients.
But I like to think of thisas like the quarter moon phase
of going into the dark moon.
Like
work, whether
this is the time of year that you'regoing into your descent, right?
Like going into
quarter moon phase of going into

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work, if you will.
Mm
the time
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You're just looking at whatis confronting, you know,
going into shadow
be more stressed than
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Yeah.
Yeah.
And most of the shadow work, I alwaysfeel like most of the shadow work will
happen during when the sun is in Scorpio,but we're preparing for that, Right,
Yeah.
right.
Because the moon isn't, orthe sun is in Virgo right now
and it will change and go into

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go into Scorpio.
You know, so.
Sure, yeah,
You know,
yeah.
go into Scorpio.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you can do that in every moon cycle
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go
in just being able to kind of,which is what I've been doing
this past year is just I'm notsuper great at like astrology.
I'm not super knowledgeable about allthe things, but just just being more
aware of like, okay, so we're at thispoint in the moon cycle and and then

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just taking kind of a note of how I feel.
Mm
What's coming up?
Because I've started to notice patterns.
So we are actually, so if we're talkingcurrent moon, right, we're coming along
to the first quarter moon, which, andat each quarter moon is a time to really
be grateful and to kind of assess ifwhat you want's what you really want.

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And you start to kind of haveconflicts around the quarter moons.
Right.
And the first quarter moon hadlot of like external conflicts.
So maybe with people more orlike things outside of you.
And then when you're having the thirdquarter moon, because it's after the full
moon and you're going down again, then
want's what you really want.
internal.

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So, you know, but we're we'reactually coming on to the
first quarter moon right now.
So it's kind of like,
Yes.
Yes.
when this episode releases, we'recoming into this episode is going to
release more closer to the Equinox,which is why I'm recording it now.
So it'll
Yes.
Yes.
when this episode releases, we'recoming into this episode is going to
release more closer to the Equinox,which is why I'm recording it now.
So it'll be coming out after we've had.
Okay, right.
And so it will be after the full moon.

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So things will be waning and willbe going internal, which is also
what and that's what we're doing.
Then that's Mabon itself is that
Right.
and going
Yes.
It's sort of like, just like, you know,we have these cycles throughout every
month and we have these cycles of dissent.
We're confronting things.
going through our, you know, confrontationstage can be like difficult because you're

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confronting all those shadows that you'relike, I was really trying to avoid that.
I didn't really want to look at thatpart of myself or things like that.
It also kind of follows thecycle of the Wheel of the Year.
So yeah, like Mabon is kind of thedescent into this is when we're coming
into our dark period, not necessarilydark in a bad way that it's going to be

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that hard, but just like, what does this,you know, time of year mean for you?
For me, it's going to bea lot more rest, I hope.
resting.
I think the thing too iswe want like acceptance.
Because when we talk about shadow workand whatever, when people will talk about
that, it's like, and it's not like thebad parts of you, it's just the parts

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of you that you haven't learned to love.
Amanda
And
Yeah, I love that.
We live in a society that's hustleand push and hustle and push, right?
And as women, it's reallyhard to go, I need to rest.
Like my monthly cycle is waning andI have less energy, I need to rest.
But I still have to go to work, Istill have to take care of my kids,

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I still have to get them to school,I still have to do all these things.
And so this is where we go, okay.
Yeah.
I'm going to love the part ofme that is tired and needs to
rest and is saying no today.
I'm going to love the part of me thatis overly emotional and cannot deal
with this right now because I get tohave a rest and then I'll be okay.

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too is we want like
Yeah.
Yes.
And so when we do shadow work and sowe go in and in Scorpio season, it's
going to be a lot of deep shadow stuffand a lot of ancestral stuff because
that's when the veil is thinner.
But this is the best time now togo, what is it that really I don't
accept about myself that I needto learn to love and work with?
Yes.
Yeah.
And I find,
And so when we do shadow work and sowe go in and in Scorpio season, it's
going to be a lot of deep shadow stuffand a lot of ancestral stuff because
that's when the veil is thinner.
But this is the best time now togo, what is it that really I don't
accept about myself that I needto learn to love and work with?
Yes.
know about

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Yeah.
And I find, I don't know about anybodyelse, audience can write in their
answers here, but I feel like it'sgoing to confront you no matter what.
Like whether you're conscious ofit and saying, I'm noticing this
pattern, I'm noticing, you know, we'recoming into Scorpio and we're doing,
and this is what's going to happen.
I feel like it's going to find away in some way, or form to bring

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itself to you and say, this issomething you need to look at.
Amanda B
Yeah, and
I had that happen
this last weekend.
My husband and I were a little bit ateach other's throats and I was like,
hmm, I'm gonna need to look at that fora second and see why that's happening.
Amanda
happening.
Yes, and it's also okay to say that'sinteresting and I need to look at

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it and I'm really tired right now
thrown in your face
and I will schedule a time to look atit because maybe it gets thrown in your
face and I don't know about you but whenthings get thrown in my face there's
usually multiple and now's not the timeof year they have the bandwidth to solve
everything but to just start taking steps.

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Yeah.
I'm discovering my Pisces self reallyneeds to learn how to say no to things
to learn how
and give myself that opportunity to rest.
And so I feel like when I'mcoming into winter, I used to
dread it so much because I love
so much
the sun being out.
I love long days and warm weather.

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That's all usually beenmy favorite time of year.
But I found myself getting moredepressed this year during spring
because I was kind of like, actually,I loved the opportunity to hibernate.
people were asking me
There's less expectation onme, less people were asking me
for help or what they needed.
And I was able to justkind of take care of me.

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And I adopt a lot of
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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tasks, I guess.
I have the tendency to belike when people are like,
Yeah.
Yeah.
Do you want to be part of this project?
And I'm like, yes.
Do you want to be a part of this project?
And I'm like, absolutely.
Do you want to do this with me?
Yes.
I want to do all the things.

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And then I'm like, wow,I am so overwhelmed.
let anyone down.
So
And I don't want to let anyone down.
So I'm like,
But
doing all the things.
But then who do you end up letting down?
You let yourself down because you'reso exhausted and you're so overwhelmed
and then you're snappy at the peopleyou love the most or the thing
up letting down?
You let yourself down because you'reso exhausted and you're so overwhelmed
and then you're snappy at the peopleyou love the most or the thing that you
really wanted to do to nourish your soul.

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You don't have time to now.
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Exactly.
Yeah.
do.
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Well, that's going to be my lessonthis coming into this next winter.
this next
I will just end with saying, yes,this is this is all part of for
those of us who are in the healingcommunity and use a lot of these
aspects of paganism as healing work.

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Probably the biggest takeaway
That is.
Probably the biggest takeaway Iwant to leave with people is to
take note of what this season feelslike to you in going into descent.
note aspect, the Celticpeople didn't necessarily mark
just as a historical side note aspect,the Celtic people didn't necessarily
mark the equinoxes as much as theydid even some of the more in between.

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Different
We're all a little bit too busyharvesting to really do anything
aspects of paganism from differentcome froms have their own
wasn't necessarily a
experience around it, butCeltic specifically, they were
like, yeah, it's the equinox.
We're all a little bit too busyharvesting to really do anything about it.
So we have work to do.

(55:16):
yeah, like, Osteria and Easter wasn'tnecessarily a time that they would do a
lot of celebrating either because theywere like, we're busy, we're planting.
we
So it was more like Beltane,Kalanbe and Sawin or Kalangeif.
You got work to do.
We
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that marked the
like, we got work to do.
that marked the beginning ofwinter and the beginning of summer.
It was sort of like light halfthe year, dark half of the year,

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an equinox
which is not necessarily an equinox ora solstice, but that's just something
interesting that you might wanna note.
If you're feeling guilty, cause you don'tdo anything special, or you're like,
I don't even really notice that thistime has come and gone, don't worry.
It's,
that's fine.

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to each their own.
Well, that's fine.
Right.
And and then.
And I know and I didn't get to go tothe last to the last nursing kid, but I
know they talked about our own personalastrology and how that affects us.
if you know astrology, if your risingsign is at a different time of the
year, you might be totally opposite.
And that's OK.
So you can follow yourself.
And it's kind of like withthe moon, a lot of women are
celebrate whatever you feel.
to go to the last to the lastnursing kid, but I know they
talked about our own personalastrology and how that affects us.
if you know astrology, if your risingsign is at a different time of the
year, you might be totally opposite.
And that's OK.

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So you can follow yourself.
And it's kind of like withthe moon, a lot of women are
celebrate whatever you feel.
Yeah.
more into tracking and going withtheir own personal monthly cycle.
But if you don't have one anymore,then you go with the moon or, you
know, you just trust yourself.
I'm like in
Trust yourself to do what works for you.

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Honestly, for me, I'm so allover the place because I'm like
in my late 40s, so I don't know
Right, yeah, that's beenme since I was 16, so.
you just do what works and trust yourself.
And then if it didn't work thattime, you felt so bad about it,
you'd just go try something else.
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you just do what works and trust yourself.
Yep.
And if you miss it entirely and don't

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bad about it, you'd justgo try something else.
And honestly, a lot of times, a lot oftimes for me marking the seasons is just
making myself a cup of tea with herbs thatjust feel more aligned with this season.
Like for the summertime, I'd never donelike a sun tea before, which is where
you put the tea in the jar and thenyou will sit it in the sun to steep.

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And I'm so excited.
That's the only thing I did that day.
But I was like, I went out and I put my
Yep.
Yep.
And if you miss it entirelyand don't mark it in any way.
Yeah.
Exactly.
thing out in the morning andthen that afternoon I like out
of the ice and I had my sun tea.
And it was like, I just honored thatit's the longest day of the year and the
sun is shining and crops are growing.
And that was all I did.

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[ Yeah.
And that's good enough.
Yeah.
It doesn't have to be elaborate.
And ritual is literally there canbe ritual in just about anything.
And where people are like, I don't havelike time or resources or, know, or
I don't know how to create a ritual.
I think just that make a sun tea onsummer solstice and notice the long day.
That's it.
Just notice it.
Just take note can be a ritual.
So.
a ritual that I have in my phone oneo 'clock on Monday my alarm goes off
and all I do is when it goes off Ijust stop and I take three breaths
and I take three
and exhale that's it
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I love that.
doesn't anything can happen anywhere.
could be anywhere.
And it's just like, OK.

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It just reminds me.
You could set one daily.
I just went with weekly.
Yeah,
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perfect.
Let's start with you.
How can your fans and peoplewho are now new fans of yours,
because they heard you today on our
So with that, I would like to giveus an opportunity to, as we're
closing up, just how to find us.
Let's start with you.
How can your fans and people who are nownew fans of yours, because they heard you

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today on our podcast and said, I want toread all the books this lady has to offer.
Where can they find you and what do
I want to read all the booksthis lady has to offer.
Where can they find youand what do you have?
So, well.
I have Facebook and Instagram as Amanda B.
Noor.
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I have
And then my books arejust under Amanda Noor.
Amanda
But I did the B.
That's like my maidenname slash middle name.

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under Amanda Noor.
But I did the B.
That's like my maidenname slash middle name.
You know?
And so Facebook and Instagram.
then I do, and then onthose, like especially on my
Instagram, I have a link tree.
Mm - hmm.
You know?
And so Facebook and Instagram.
then I do, and then onthose, like especially on my
Instagram, I have a link tree.
Mm -hmm.
And I have it, I mean, I it posted bothplaces and like I share it fairly often.
I've been a little silent on mysocial media is just because I've
been doing a lot of internal stuffand not feeling so out there, but I'm,

(59:41):
Yeah, I get that.
Amanda
there's links on the link tree to all thebooks and they're all in paperback now.
So last month, the fourth onecame out in paperback and the
last three, they're a series.
So I'll talk about that in just a second.
Yeah, I get that.
but there's some links to someother podcasts I've done, some other
interviews and things I've done.
I will link Courtney on there too.

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And I do have a Facebookgroup that's Moonwork with
Amanda that people can be in.
It's kind of quiet, but I try topost things and ask questions there.
And then my services andeverything are linked on.
And so I'm still building.
I'm still growing as a businessperson and so still having to do
real life, not so fun stuff, but

(01:00:25):
Yeah, yeah.
If you're anything like me, those ofus who are like in the mystical world,
the business stuff is the hardest part.
Amanda
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Yes, and then when you're also in thehealing world and you're doing your own
healing, like trying to be out thereto be like, I got to post this thing
and I got to show up at that thing.
Like it's just like, I don't have
since.
So it's like, and it's so exciting.
This is the really pretty, you know,
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Ugh, it's so hard.
now.

(01:00:45):
So right, because I'm working on myfifth book, which is Lunar Magic, and I
have written four sentences in Februaryand I haven't written anything since.
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I'm already intrigued.
it's
I'm ready.
This is the really pretty, you
I saw the cover, that's so
so excited for the companion.
And this is my favorite.

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It was like Christmas morning tosee it, because it's co -authored.
So there's 14 authors in it.
And we all have a different take, butit's like a workbook and I use all of it.
And then when I go back and read mychapter and I'm not really thinking
like these are my words, I willcry and I would be like, my gosh.
And then I was like, I wrote that.
it's, I guess I really neededthis because it really.

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Yes!
Divine inspiration.
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And writing this one, it was magic.
It was like I was in the mood to writeor I wasn't in the mood to write.
But it always seemed like when I wasin the mood to write, the sky was the
same as what was going on the paper.
My feelings were processing.
It was just
series.
So it's
you couldn't have made a better journey.
It was crazy.
So and then my other three books, they'rea series called the Wounded Women series.

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So it's
being, you know,
collective trauma and processingso they can be a bit heavy.
Yeah.
Mm -hmm.
Amanda B Norr [01:01:46.859]
So a chapter at a time and self -care.
The first one was betrayed.
And that one's like the synopsis, I guessis like the sister wound of being, you
know, like, because in our society, inour system, women get at each other,

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then I'm like, well, cool.
I'm
like a pecking order
out how I need to
and there's a, can be a problem there.
And so it's overcoming that, whetherit's your own sister was written
in there, whether it's friends.
Yeah.
Yeah.
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For me, it was hard to writebecause it was just like
have my children, but would
the betrayed of
don't know.
So anyway, so there's that

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my mother figures, not necessarilymy mother, but women being
groomed and taught what I was.
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Yes.
This is the path to follow andthen doing that to my own daughter
and then my daughter breaking freeand then I'm like, well, cool.
I'm so proud of her and then figuring outhow I need to break myself out of that too
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you know.
Yes.
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Like, no, you get married, you havebabies, you do this for your husband.
If, you know, you can have your own thingsas long as it doesn't interfere with him.
And I think it's justlearning how to be a partner.
And I still love my children.
I wouldn't not have my children, butwould I have had them at 18 and 20?
Like, I don't know.

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So anyway, so there's that one.
And so, and my part was really hard towrite, but there was a lot of processing.
Like this stuff was work.
So now I'm trying to get backto magic for Lunar Magic.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Broken.
Yes.
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Then broken
Broken.
Yes.
Amanda B Norr
breaking generational
wound.
And I was like, well, that's hard for me
wound.
feel like I have like the
I was like, well, that's hardfor me because I still feel

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like I have like the best mom.
When my friends are strugglingwith dealing with their moms
and I'm like, I do not compute.
My mom is amazing.
And so for me, I think the motherwound a lot was like, I'm not
as good as a mom as my mom was.
Mm -hmm.
Yes.
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like I
I don't feel like I make mykids feel the way my mom make
me feel or still makes me feel.
so I just talked

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so there's that.
And so I just talked about like thegenerational pass down of worrying.
Like my great grandma, they'relike worried about everything.
My grandma worried about a lot ofthings, but less things than her mom.
And my mom worried about even a lotof things, but less than her mom.
And then I came and I'm like,how can I worry about less and
pass on less to my daughter?

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And then taking family traditions that
Yeah.
Yes.
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I wanted to incorporate everythingbut feeling incapable of it and so
keeping what worked to share with mykids about our family traditions but
being able to let go and make new ones.
So that's that was what I wrote about inthat book and I wrote this amazing poem
in there that everybody really liked likeI'll brag about a little and it and he'd

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written it actually a couple years beforebecause it felt when I wrote it like my
ancestors were singing this song to me
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Yes.
to go in there.
to go in there.
And then the third
And then the third book is burned.
it
about the witch wound.
I'll just read that it's brave and
initially and initially in the subtitle,it talked about the witch wound.
wound.
And I actually am
I'll just read that it's brave andinspiring stories from women who

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have overcome their fears to speaktheir truth and share their wisdom.
Perfect.
Amanda
still the witch wound.
And I actually am chapter one in thatbecause again, I wrote another poem
because just the concept of the book andI wasn't going to contribute to this one.
I was just going to do the other two.
But just
Perfect.
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the processing and I had writtenthis poem and I sent it to my

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friend and she's one publishingit and she's like, we want that.
[ 01:05:19.954]
Yeah.
to be.
And so then they made that chapter oneand then I put a little bit of like
a prose narrative with still what I'mstruggling because I still find myself
in certain groups where I can't speak outfully as myself because it doesn't fit

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with their narrative of society and that
women and killing women for being witches.
And they're usually the elderly and
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very, you know, vulnerable.
But I even see in our society andwe see it on social media and we see
Yeah.
Mm -hmm.
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and all that kind of fun, fun stuff.
I'm still seeing, well, and thenhonestly, like there's like countries
still now that are burning womenand killing women for being witches.
And they're usually the elderlyand the very, you know, vulnerable.

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But I even see in our society and we seeit on social media and we see it where
when someone is brave to share theirstory and they're not like they're not.
Amazing.
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Directing anything at anybody like thisis my story and it's like they're being
fried in social media They're being friedin public because they dare speak out

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on something that somebody else didn't
and I would dare say, and it's kind ofinteresting, I'm reading the Defense
of Witches in Defense of Witches.
interesting, I'm reading the Defense of
as you're saying, you know,these wounds, sister wound and
mother wound and witch wound,
wound and
you could almost lump that intoall of it being witch wounds.

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it being witch
we learned from those trialsand from oppression of women
to turn on each other, to...
Amanda B Norr [01:06:52.377]
Mm -hmm, exactly.
You know, like it's all part ofone large network of betrayal

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and systems that thepatriarchy have put us in,
You know, like it's all part of one largenetwork of betrayal and systems that
the patriarchy have put us in, right?
Amanda B Norr [01:07:08.355]
And then we pass down that trauma, right?
So we turn on each other and thenwe continually pass that trauma down
healing and yet it can be sodetrimental and how to have your voice.
Yeah.
Yep.
Shame and fear.
Yeah.
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yeah, and then just speaking out, like,it can be so healing and yet it can be so

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detrimental and how to have your voice.
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knows, I'm going to have a link toall of those social media accounts and
Media Podcast
Amazon, your books will beon my blog for this episode.

(01:07:59):
So when this episode comes out and
also on my link tree, there is a spaceto join and like get my newsletter and
I send out a newsletter every month onthis is when the new moon is and this
is what you can do around the new moon.
And I'm like, hey, take threedays before to three days after.
don't don't stress ifyou're busy that the day.
And then I also
Yeah, thank goodness.

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I'm like, and honestly,
Yeah, thank goodness.
Amanda B Norr [01:08:09.283]
I'm like, and honestly, it's better todo full moon stuff just after the, I
mean, new moon stuff just after the newmoon and the full moon, like, the full
moon's coming in like a few days, like,I'm gonna get all this crap out now.
But if you're like, crap,it's the moon, I missed it.
Like, no you didn't.
mean, you really got like six days.
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(01:08:39):
Those emails are very helpful tome and being able to keep track
of where I'm at in my cycles.
I do not have menstrual cycles.
So for me, it's like the reminders,the emails, the newsletter,
that's all very helpful.
And I rarely do anything on the day of
I don't either.
I don't either.

(01:09:00):
Like, in the last few months, it'sall of a I'm just sitting there and
I'm looking at the calendar like,
need to, you know, orlike, so, yeah, I just
okay, I need to, you know, or like, so,
it, like whatever.
And the last few
yeah, I just do what I can.
And sometimes, and sometimes I liketo do tactile things to help me
and like write things out, burn it,
out a month, because Idon't like to pester.
So
And the last few months, mybandwidth has been, I'm just gonna

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think about this for a few minutes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mmhmm.
Amanda B Norr [01:09:12.771]
because that's
Perfect.
Just going to visualize it and...
Yeah, perfect.
Amanda B Norr [01:09:40.515]
you know, new book coming out
I've able to do.
what I'm writing about.
It's it's.
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to only send one out a month,because I don't like to pester.
So you get the new moon, the fullmoon, and it kind of rotates.
It's usually like a fewdays before the new moon.
Here's your new moon stuff.

(01:09:42):
Get on that.
But I sometimes will send out an extraemail to be like, hey, I've got this.
Perfect.
Just going to visualize it and...
Yeah, perfect.
Amanda B Norr [01:09:40.515]
you know, new book coming out just soyou're aware or, you know, whatever.
So but I don't do that that super often.
And I'm where it's been inmy works and in my brain.
I want to put together a program thatreally utilizes the quarter moons because

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that's where all the tension lies.
Yeah.
it's
Often gets overlooked too,
I got it.
I got to get back into the lunar magicto get that book done, because I'm
not even sure what I'm writing about.
It's it's.
Mm -hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Often gets overlooked too, right?
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It's about using the moon and havingmagic daily, which for some people

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that gets really overwhelming.
And so it's like simple things.
So
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Yeah.
I love that.
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Yeah.
I
I think that's perfect.
I think that's great.
And thank you so much for all that workthat you do and putting those books into
being, helping to get those stories out.
Those stories of those women are powerful.
I've read quite a lot of it myself and

(01:10:48):
cohesiveness or the, know,
love the just
those themes are universal.
Like
the collaboration and the
awareness of in this
what's the word I'm looking for?
Just
And, you know, we're connected toour ancestors who've been through
those experiences and cycles.
cohesiveness or the, know,we're all individual.
have such individual stories, but at thesame time, those themes are universal.

(01:11:11):
Like it's not something thatwe're just now getting to
awareness of in this generation.
It's something that has happened.
And, you know, we're connected toour ancestors who've been through
those experiences and cycles.
I like this format with the books,because I write a chapter, which means

(01:11:31):
a lot to me, but and a lot of, and Iget a lot of great feedback from that,
but I get to read everybody else'sstory and then we'll get together and
have like author calls and communicate.
And it's just like, we're all just thereholding each other and lifting each other.
And it's, it's just, it's,it's a very amazing experience.
I love it.
Maybe someday if I ever get aroundto writing that book that I've
got stewing around in my head.
But that sounds like an amazingexperience to be able to write that way.
speaking of Full Moon, I do havemy Full Moon Healing Through Art
course is starting in October.
So anyone listening now who's local inthe South Jordan area wants to join.
I'm only opening six spots, butI would like what I've planned
to do with that course is to have
at least an online groupsupporting each other during the
quarter moon phases of the month.
And I like to partner thatwith the Avalonian moon cycles.
So you'll get some of thatmythology to go to partner with it.
The Mythic Moons of Avalon bookthat we know about so, so well.
I kind of took these resources andI pulled them together and I said,
why don't we do an emotional processevery month around the full moon?
It's usually a couple of days before.
But it's like, we're gonna do thatto kind of set ourselves up for
the month and how we can supporteach other through the month.
So if anyone's interested inthat, look for me on my website.
I'm at prism -healing .com.
I'm also on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.
I try to post as often as possibleand get out there in the world.
And so you can find meat any of those places.
I would like to thank
Amanda for joining us todayand being co -host with me.
hope you've enjoyed this conversationthat we've had and that you feel
like you've been a part of our littlediscussion and our little world here.
And I'm going to shout out a thankyou to Jess Blaine at Ride the Wave
Media for producing this podcast.
And I will see you next time,witches and wizards go make magic.
B Norr [01:11:12.281]
Yes.
And that's why I like this format withthe books, because I write a chapter,
which means a lot to me, but and a lotof, and I get a lot of great feedback from
that, but I get to read everybody else'sstory and then we'll get together and
have like author calls and communicate.
And it's just like, we're all just thereholding each other and lifting each other.
And it's, it's just, it's,it's a very amazing experience.
I love it.

(01:11:51):
Maybe someday if I ever get aroundto writing that book that I've
got stewing around in my head.
But that sounds like an amazingexperience to be able to write that way.
speaking of Full Moon, I do havemy Full Moon Healing Through Art
course is starting in October.
So anyone listening now who's local inthe South Jordan area wants to join.

(01:12:13):
I'm only opening six spots, butI would like what I've planned
to do with that course is to have
at least an online groupsupporting each other during the
quarter moon phases of the month.
And I like to partner thatwith the Avalonian moon cycles.
So you'll get some of thatmythology to go to partner with it.

(01:12:34):
The Mythic Moons of Avalon bookthat we know about so, so well.
I kind of took these resources andI pulled them together and I said,
why don't we do an emotional processevery month around the full moon?
It's usually a couple of days before.
But it's like, we're gonna do thatto kind of set ourselves up for
the month and how we can supporteach other through the month.

(01:12:56):
So if anyone's interested inthat, look for me on my website.
I'm at prism -healing .com.
I'm also on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.
I try to post as often as possibleand get out there in the world.
And so you can find meat any of those places.
I would like to thank

(01:13:18):
Amanda for joining us todayand being co -host with me.
hope you've enjoyed this conversationthat we've had and that you feel
like you've been a part of our littlediscussion and our little world here.
And I'm going to shout out a thankyou to Jess Blaine at Ride the Wave
Media for producing this podcast.

(01:13:38):
And I will see you next time,witches and wizards go make magic.

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