Exploring the Mysteries of 'The Love Witch' and 'The Autopsy of Jane Doe'

Join us for Episode 4 of the Witch Movie Project, where we discuss films like The Love Witch and The Autopsy of Jane Doe. Dive into the world of psychological horror with us in this recording session!

Exploring the Mysteries of 'The Love Witch' and 'The Autopsy of Jane Doe' - Witch Movie Project Ep. 6

Join us in this thrilling episode of The Witch Movie Project! Blane and Courtney dive deep into two captivating films: 'The Love Witch' and 'The Autopsy of Jane Doe'. From the vibrant technicolor world of a modern-day witch seeking love to the eerie and intense autopsy of a mysteriously cursed woman, this episode uncovers every detail. With personal insights, historical connections, and exciting behind-the-scenes facts, we prepare for an unforgettable live podcast taping and movie screening. Costume contests, prizes, and much more await on October 26th. Tune in for an episode filled with horror, witchcraft, and cinematic wonder!

Chapters:

00:00 The Witch Movie Project Begins

01:21 Discussing 'The Love Witch'

04:23 Exploring Witchcraft Symbolism

10:36 The Art and Symbolism of Tarot

26:06 Final Thoughts on 'The Love Witch'

31:53 Introduction to 'The Autopsy of Jane Doe'

37:53 Gruesome Autopsy Details

38:18 Unraveling the Mystery

39:12 The Storm and Isolation

41:14 Comparing to Alien

44:58 The Autopsy Continues

47:57 Discovering the Witchcraft

53:39 The Vengeful Spirit

01:03:42 Final Thoughts and Reflections

01:11:58 Event Announcements and Closing

Episode Transcript

(00:08):
There it is again.
That violin.
I just can't get over thatviolin and that witch laughing.
Is that actual, actualfootage of you, Courtney?
Where did we get that witch laugh?
It's not me,
Okay.
I really need to work on my cackle.
I don't have a good cackle.
You don't have a cackle, huh?
Yeah, but I, I think the older I get, themore I, more I'm getting to it, right?

(00:31):
Is that what it is?
But you're like 700 something years old,so you gotta get even older than that.
Oh, okay, okay.
Here we are, it's the Witch Movie Project.
This is a big episode today becausetwo of these movies, I love both
of these movies, I don't thinkyou've seen either one of them.
Yeah, a lot of nakedness in both.

(00:52):
So you got a lot of goodstuff going on there.
Yeah, usually, usually we liketo, uh, one of us usually likes
to, uh, decorate ourselves as, uh,
We do a little cosplay.
This one not so much.
We couldn't cosplay.
I could have done that.
We could have done the uh, the eyelidsfrom Samantha's character in Lovewitch

(01:12):
because that's one of the movies.
Uh, we could have done that.
I got my wingtips on today.
You just can't, can't really tell,
That's true.
That's true.
right into my wrinkles.
But this is the Lovewitchand the autopsy of Jane Doe.
This is all leading up to the big event,October 26th, Novel Daybreak by Crescent
Communities presents the Witch MovieProject live podcast taping October and

(01:38):
movie screening and costume contest prizesare donated by land of a thousand hills
thank you so much for that man that'sit's gonna be crazy over there i gotta
say though i don't like to play favoritesbut one of these movies that we're about
to talk about today i really hope i hopeis is the one that we screen i really do

(02:01):
Yeah.
We've each got our little favorites.
Try not to let that, uh, influenceour audience and what they
decide or what they vote for.
But we've got our hopes.
Thanks.
Thanks.
but we're trying yeah so let's go aheadand get to today's episode let's go
check out these two movies the lovewitch and the autopsy of jane doe

(02:24):
I am so excited aboutthese two movies, Courtney.
I know, I know.
these
are your pick.
really though, I have only seenthese for the first time in the last
maybe year or so, and guess what?
These 2016 within months of each other.
Yeah!

(02:44):
They couldn't be moresimilar, but so far apart.
Once again, it's a, it's a commontheme here, what we're doing.
But to me, you've got one witch whois trying way too hard to get the
result, and you got one witch who lays
there.
you know,
Like,
yeah, and we could talk about whatreal witchcraft might look like,

(03:06):
and it's probably a little bit morelike the Jane Doe, I have to say.
So our second movie isThe Autopsy of Jane Doe.
The first movie is The LoveWitch with Samantha Robinson.
Like, holy cow.
First up, what about the art direction?
Like, it's, I ran across this movie lateat night one time, maybe a year ago, and

(03:28):
I was like, Man, is this from the 70s?
Like, this is awesome, buthow does it look so good?
And then I finally looked in and foundout that, oh, this is the art style.
This was the direction.
They used the technicolorand made the colors pop.
Her makeup, I mean, like,it's every, it pops.
I know you have some facts about that.

(03:49):
Yeah, yeah, go
ahead.
Oh, I had to look it upbecause I'm Emma Willis.
I have my notes here.
You're going to hear melike shuffling pages.
Um, Emma Willis is the, the makeup.
And I mean, you have to giveprops because it's on point.
I tried to do my little cat eye eyelinertoday and I was telling Blane, I
had to do this side like four times.

(04:10):
I still couldn't get it right.
It's really hard to do a cat eye.
It's a, this movie thoughis a, like a visual feast.
It looks like the sixties, seventies,somewhere in that timeframe.
That's for me.
So I'm not really sure, but.
It's the story, it follows, wait, she'sa, she's a modern day witch, I guess, is
that what you would say, and, uh, she'strying to use her powers to find love.

(04:34):
Like, is that the gist of it?
Yeah, but this is a really good exampleof, um, like we talked about last week,
like, the intentions of the witch herself.
If she's in a good mindset or ifshe's in a good place, like, what,
what those spells will create.
Um, and I don't think it's any surprisethat, um, Elaine, our main character,

(04:55):
the love witch, she's in sort ofa Um, coming from a crisis mode.
She was in a mental health facility.
She talks about this in the,in the opening sequence.
She's driving.
She's like, everybody's beenabused and much worse than I have.
And, you know, they'll be okay.
And she's talking about trying tocome out of this mental health crisis.

(05:17):
So she's been in this breakdown thatshe's had, but, um, she's in an energy
of desperation of trying to figure out.
What did I do wrong inmy last relationship?
Why didn't it work?
Why didn't he love me?
So it's no surprise that the spellsthroughout the movie, you're seeing
like how this is playing out.

(05:39):
She's, she's coming at itwith that energy, right?
Yeah, and let's, and let's just say thatshe's just a badass, because as she's
driving in that opening sequence, she'schain smoking what I found to, to, to
be, after pausing it and zooming in.
Man, those are like Newport menthols.
She is hardcore smoking, butlook, making it look so sexy.

(06:04):
Like it's, it's
that,
it's the sixties.
You can be at, yeah, you, you candrive and smoke and there's smoking
throughout the movie and all that.
Yeah.
and it's just, it adds to it,but it gives you that, I don't
know, that, that kind of grunge
feel, but yet she makes it look so good.
They all kind of do.
I mean, everybody inthis movie, like really?

(06:26):
These movies also, both of these movies,lots of naked, lots of nakedness.
One movie, you got the witchwho lays naked the entire
time, not in a sexual way.
But in the other love words,she is the seductress.
She is.
Very much.
So once again, you got the comparisonof two naked witches, way different,

(06:52):
uh, outcomes of what their, uh,
Yeah.
scantily cladness would be
Right.
Well, there's a lot ofnakedness in the love, which
with a retro suit.
we get into like when, when the ritualsare taking place and things like that.
I mean, it's a very common, uh, uh,image you think of when you think
of witchcraft or like witches in thewoods, they're going to be naked.

(07:12):
They're going to be dancing around a fire.
They're going to bedancing with the devil.
I mean, that's sort of the imageryyou think of with witchcraft.
Um, what's interesting though, it's reallyon point for a sixties, seventies movie
because all the women are attractive.
Um, almost, I mean, all theones I saw, it was like Thin,
beautiful, not a blemish in sight.

(07:33):
And the men, not traditionally attractive.
I mean, not what you wouldnormally think of as attractive.
So you're kind of like, we gave afeast of the eyes for those attracted
to women, but those attracted tomen, we, we don't quite get the feast
for the eyes that, uh, we deserve.
Because even in the man, the manwho are naked in the background,

(07:54):
like it's, it's not much to look at.
And then we're not out here judging, but
I say traditionally attractivebecause I don't believe in a,
in a, in a one size fits all.
yeah.
I totally see that.
And I mean, that's kind of, honestly,that's, that's a big theme of
the movie here is, is, uh, She'sjust kind of looking for love.

(08:17):
It doesn't matter.
She, you know, it's not, shedoesn't really have a type.
I don't guess, or does she?
Well, it seems like she'sdefinitely, um, open to anything.
Yeah.
Yeah.
someone gives her alittle bit of attention.
She's like, all right,I'm going with this.
And we'll see how far I can get here orI will see where this, this pans out.

(08:40):
But when talking about, um, the,the technicolor, the cinematography
of like, making it look like the,uh, it was made in the 1960s.
I, I realized I have quite a biasagainst movies that are older and, and
I'm realizing that because when youbrought this movie up when we were first
making our list, I looked it up andI was like, Oh, this movie looks old.

(09:05):
I don't know if I want to watch this.
Is it going to be like super boring?
Am I going to sit here andwatch this whole movie?
And then I looked at the, the year 2016.
I was like, wait, what?
Yeah.
What?
Yep.
looks like it was absolutely pluckedright out of, in fact, the choice of
actors, they were just obscure enough.

(09:25):
I didn't know any ofthem from other things.
So I was like, Oh, they, they totallycould have been from the sixties.
only that, you didn't know them much,but they all were stars in the movie.
Like they, Samantha Robinsonshines, Jeffrey Fenton Price shines,
Jennifer Ingram shine, like theyall shine, everybody in this movie.

(09:49):
Like you said, I love that itfits it, because if they would
have picked a, I don't want to saythese people aren't A listers, but
if they would have picked a huge,
Mm hmm.
if you'd have put a,
hmm.
who, Angelina Jolie in
the,
Tom Hanks
exactly, you already
Sergeant Griff.

(10:10):
Can you picture that?
Let's get an A hundreds.
No, but the guy, uh, I don'tknow if I say his name again.
Keys that plays.
Griff, yeah.
Griff, amazing!
His facial expressions fitthe 1960s style of acting.
I mean, it just, it makes youfeel like you are watching a

(10:32):
movie from that time period.
Like, boop, right out of the,
I wanted you to get into the tarotcards and the artwork because there's
a lot of stuff that I, an outsider tothis kind of lore, might have missed
and I know you picked up on it becausethere's lots of tarot cards, there's,

(10:54):
uh, she's mixing herbs, there's allthe, there's witch stuff, there's a lot
of witch stuff going on, but I don'tknow what to, tell me about some, I
mean, she puts some sort of spell onthe first guy, Wayne, was it Wayne?
And then she takes a, a, a usedtampon, and I'm not saying that in
a derogatory way, literally, a usedtampon, and puts it into a bottle

(11:17):
of some sort with some other, whichstuff, like, what is all this?
Is this typical stuff?
Like, what is this?
Okay, we can get into all of that.
I want to, I want to start fromthis opening sequence and from
her going into the house, she evenmentions, um, she meets Trish.
Trish is like, Oh, your friendBarbara couldn't meet you.
I'm here to let you into the apartment.

(11:39):
Um, Trish is British.
I
What a powerhouse,
that's
What a powerhouse Trish
right.
Oh, she's fantastic.
And she, uh, she talks about the artwork.
So she says, um, she decoratedthe apartment and it's like based
on the Thoth Tarot, um, which thedirector intentionally decorated

(12:02):
the artwork, all of that, thecolors coming from the Thoth Tarot.
And what's interestingabout that is that they're.
There's the Thoth tarot, and there's aRider Waite Smith that are considered to
be kind of the original artwork for tarot.
Um, they're a little bit different,but they come from the same place.

(12:24):
So they are the same time period.
And I wrote it down.
They are both from Oh shoot, nowI have to find it in my notes.
Um, there's a certain society Ihave so many notes here that it's
like, everything gets lost in

(12:45):
ask you that, on the tarotcards and all, go ahead,
So, Rider Waite Smith, they are a groupof people who wrote, like, what we
consider to be kind of the original,um, artwork that was published.
It was first multi Um, but they're bothfrom the Hermetic Order of the Golden
Dawn, a secret society that created boththe Thoth Tarot and the Rider Waite Smith.

(13:12):
And what's interesting is when you seeElaine later doing a tarot reading,
When, um, Wayne is going through hislittle tough time there and she's
sitting there and she does a tarotreading, uh, I had to stop and pause
on that because I'm like, actuallythat's the Rider Waite Smith deck.
So they mention Thoth as the inspirationfor the artwork in the apartment.

(13:34):
You have a lot of those like brightcolors, like a lot of like primary
colors, blue, red, yellow, right?
It's very bright, butjust very interesting.
And we'll get into like,as we go through the movie.
Some meanings of those tarot cards thatshe pulls out when she does her reading.
Yeah, because I got a lotof questions about that.
Let's go back to Trish.

(13:55):
Yeah.
She's, Laura Waddle is the one thatplayed her and I got a nerd out here
for a minute because she's, she'sa big voice actor in video games.
So if you're a bunch of games outthere, I think World of Warcraft,
maybe even a Tomb Raider game or two.
You might hear some similaritiesthere in her character, but
that's just me nerd now.

(14:16):
Love my video games.
Anytime I can tie witches intovideo games, that'd be awesome.
Yeah.
Whole other talk, whole other idea.
Wait a minute, we'll get there,
We might be on to something here.
We need to sell this to a gamecompany and be like, hey, how can
we create something from this?
Yes, but
I would buy it.
get into the tarot art?

(14:37):
Do you want to get into the tarot art now?
Because I'm fascinated with it.
well, she Let's see.
I'm
trying to think of where this begins.
So, Trish and her goto the te the tea room.

(14:58):
Um, there's this really significant, um,that the director, uh, Anna Biller, she
says that when you see warm colors inthe that are in the shot, um, it's warm.
representing the masculineside, so the sun energy.
And then you have cooler colorsin other scenes representing
the feminine energy or the moon.
So she had kind of a moon andsun, um, play with colors in

(15:23):
the different scenes there.
So
That matches up with what's That matchesdefinitely with what's going on in the
movie because there's, there's a, it'sthe themes of love, obsession, and the
power dynamics between men and women.
And see Elaine as, it's, she's a symbolof women empowerment in this, but
it's also everything that men fear.

(15:45):
It's everything, it's really,she's all of those things, but
still able to get what she wants.
And I think that's a powerfulmessage to get across there.
Yeah.
And it's interesting because theconversation between Elaine and Trish, At
the tea room when they first meet, it'sreally setting you up for the, the sort of
play in the movie of what is it is, whatare the actual feminist undertones here?

(16:11):
What is actually the message?
Because you have Trish, who's like,listening to this, like, you just
have to be his fantasy and youhave to give him whatever he wants.
And men, men are simpleand they're like children.
They just, they have theirneeds and blah, blah, blah.
And Trish is like,
uh, what about my needs?

(16:33):
Uh, what, and I'm like,who's the feminist here?
And who actually has power, right?
Because
is it Trish who believes thatlike, well, women should be
able to have their careers.
I should be able to goto a furniture convention
Yeah,
yeah, right.
not go crazy while I'm gone.
Like, he should be able to handle himself.
He should love me.

(16:53):
For me.
She's like, oh, I guess, I guessmy husband just loves me for me.
And I, and she believes thatat that moment in, in the
movie, whereas Elaine is like.
By the end of the movie, giving a speechabout how, you know, I become their
fantasy and then their mind to controland, but she's really living her life

(17:14):
to be whatever men want her to be.
Right?
So it kind of, it begs this questionof like, is men objectifying you
actual power or is that playing intostill the idea that we exist for men?
Something to think aboutfor you feminists out there.
you're right.
There is a balance.
There's a fine line of balancebetween those two things.

(17:38):
It's like you could tip oneway or the other very easily.
And it's there.
I love that, that you picked up.
Yeah.
And I mean, we're skipping arounda little bit, but at the end when
she says, Witchcraft gave me power.
She's not wrong there.
Obviously you see throughout themovie these, uh, these, uh, hints
or these clues that Aileen wasabused as a child by her father.

(18:02):
She was, uh, treated poorly, badly,and disrespected by her husband.
And, uh, she is clearly in a mental stateof like, Believing her worth depends
on how the men in her life see her.
So she says, Witchcraft saved my life.
Witchcraft is my power.

(18:24):
And that is a really good point becausea lot of women turn to witchcraft because
they feel powerless in their life.
They're in an oppressed, they're partof the oppressed, um, society or gender.
So it's their way of being like, well,if I can't have power in society, I'm at
least going to have power in this way.

(18:45):
Right.
So
yeah, so with that being said,
that little rant is over.
you can rant all you want, but I lovethat the take, I mean, that's what
we're, that's what we're trying to dohere is break down and find out and
look at symbols and compare things.

(19:06):
And the, and the themes, like what,what is the director really trying
to show here with a, Female director,you've got these undertones of like,
the feminist point of view, right?
And may I just say, so we're goingthrough the movie, and we have Wendy,
who is the shop owner at the little,played by Jennifer Couch, um, at the

(19:28):
little shop, Apothecary, where Elaine isgonna sell her witch bottles and stuff.
Um, We briefly see her twice in the movie.
She has a very, you know, prettysmall moment, but I had to point it
out because she's incredible too.
Her acting, she's incredibly bland, right?

(19:49):
And it makes you, it liketransports me back in time.
It makes me think I'm watching a moviefrom a whole generation ago, right?
Like it's, it's there.
Yeah.
I love it.
Yeah.
goes up to talk to her and Wendy's justat the counter like, can I help you?
I mean, it's just deadpan.
Just.

(20:09):
it's perfect.
I had to give a shout out.
I loved it.
I love that.
It is perfect.
And the, the tarot cards artwork.
I'm ready to get to that becauseI got a lot of questions about it.
I've seen different artwork withthe same names on all these cards.

(20:30):
What were these cards that she had in thismovie and are they the same as we see?
I know you talked about it a little bitago with the two different kinds, but
what was, what were these that she had?
Yeah.
So she was, um, doing a littlereading three card spread.
You see her doing that on the tableat Wayne's cabin, while Wayne's
having a bit of a emotional breakdown.

(20:53):
She does this, uh, spread and I'mlooking at it closer and I'm like,
that's not Thoth, that's, uh, RiderWaite Smith, at least from my knowledge.
Now somebody else might know Terraway more than me, I'm not an expert,
but if somebody knows differently,you can definitely shout it out to me.
But I'm like, oh, that's, uh,That's um, the Rider Waite

(21:14):
Smith artwork that I know of.
And so I pulled out my Rachel True deck,and I found the same cards in the spread.
So I'm thinking to myself, if Iwas doing this tarot reading, what
would I think about these cards?
And she pulls up the Five of Cups.
I'm going to try to show it oncamera, because if you are watching

(21:34):
on YouTube, then you can see it.
This is her interpretationof the Five of Cups.
It looks very different than the movie.
Or the Rider Waite Smith.
But the meaning, you know, differenttarot artists and tarot writers can
do kind of their own interpretation ofthe tarot, and that's totally allowed.
So, while everything has a symbol anda meaning, it's also up for intuition

(21:58):
and interpretation based on thereader, based on the artwork of the
deck, all that can be an influence.
But you'll see in this cardhow it doesn't necessarily
look like a very positive card.
You have like a woman in a bathtuband there's portraits all around her
with eyes and the cups are aroundher spilling out water and she's

(22:22):
kind of in a like crying state.
And I don't like to say that there'starot cards that are bad or negative,
but, um, but there are tarot cards thatare going to be pretty blunt and are
going to be like, Yeah, the joke is,Oracle cards are like, everything is

(22:42):
rainbows, everything is wonderful, andTerra was like, you're in trouble, girl.
So, it'll give you the truth,is the me is the basic.
Kind of like, so you're sayingit'll, it'll turn out like that
Tarot movie that just came out.
Ugh, love it!
Hey, watch out for the bonus episode whereme and Courtney Pearl break down Tarot.

(23:03):
We have to talk about that one becausethat came out well after we made our list,
but it was pretty interesting, right?
But yeah, the idea here is like thefive of cups means emotional turmoil.
It's a point of struggle.
It's not like everything's easy breezy.
Everything's going to turn out your way.
She's got the tarot or thetower card in the middle.

(23:24):
The tower is notorious forbeing like everything's about
to blow up in your face.
Get ready, you're gonna have toleap from a burning building.
That's kind of the energy of the tower.
And then of course, this showsup a few times in the movie, the
Three of Swords, with the heartbeing stabbed to three swords.

(23:46):
I mean, I don't think you have tobe a tarot reader to like, kind
of derive some meaning from that.
It's a heart.
It's been stabbed three times.
So that's the reading she gets with Wayne.
Mm
Now,
the whole thing, like, you just mentionedthe heart with the swords, and I'm

(24:06):
thinking about some of the imagerywe see, background, the, we already
talked about the vibrant colors, butthere's a lot of symbolism in the, in
the rituals that they're performing,and on top of that, the color schemes
and the way it's all arranged,almost, feels Like you're in a dream.

(24:26):
It feels like you're asleep.
It's very dreamlike.
Um, which fits into the whole,the theme of love and passion.
You know, you're, you're, you'relike the movie feels euphoric.
It's not as happy as our other movie, but
No.
one yet, because
different vibe, but still in thehorror, um, when I, you know, when I

(24:50):
looked it up, it was considered, um,in the article that I was reading,
it was considered a horror comedy.
Which you can definitely see that aspectof it because there's some moments
that are just kind of like, what?
way over the top.
is happening right now?
Like the, there's a sequence in therewhere they're at like a medieval festival
type thing and there's a dance scene.

(25:10):
I'm like, man, this is, thisis, this is wild, you know?
Lots of tarot symbols inthat medieval scene too.
You've got the big sun in thebackground where they're playing out
the, um, which by the way, there's,they call it a midsummer festival.
But at the same time, they have theHolly King, um, battling with winter.
Um,

(25:33):
it reads a little bit more like a,or as the young kids would say, it's
giving, it's giving spring vibes,
Yeah.
but he calls it midsummer.
So I don't know, but there'sa lot of tarot symbols.
Uh, the fool, the jester that'srunning around with this little jester
scepter, and he's kind of being silly.

(25:53):
Those are all symbols from the majorarcana of the Of the tarot deck.
So,
great to know.
See, I thought maybe I pickedup on that, but it was there.
It's very evident.
Uh, my final thoughts on Love Witch is,I think it's, it's a, it's a classic,

(26:15):
and I mean that in two different ways.
It's, it looks like a classic, but I thinkit's also Stands the test of time, or
whatever you want to call it, and I thinkit just has its own place in witch horror.
It has its own place in folk horror genre.
It's a work of art.
I really did enjoy it.

(26:37):
I want to shout out that Ocelot SoapLaboratories, that's the, the, the people
who, uh, basically produced this film.
And I love that, I love that companybecause they did a movie that I
really, really love called Coherence.
And this one's not awitch movie, Courtney, so
uh,

(26:58):
paper your,
all be great.
exactly, yeah, but this movie, I'veseen this movie over a hundred times,
um, and they, and I'm just pointingthat out because the artistic direction
in this and what they do in Coherence.
It's almost like, to me, uh, thiscompany, Oscilloscope Laboratories,

(27:18):
they are almost like an A24.
It's like, you're gonna get experience.
Coherence isn't just an experience.
Coherence is shot like a stage play.
The actors knew bullet points, butthey didn't get given a script.
So I love when people arethinking outside the box.
This Love Witch movie isoutside the box with the
Mm hmm.
The whole thing is, it's like yousaid, you were like, Oh my gosh, I'm

(27:39):
gonna have to watch an old movie.
Nah, it's only five yearsold, six years old, you know,
Yeah.
It was, it was, it was, uh,challenging my bias and I'm
happy to be challenged in that.
There's plenty of movies that weremade 30 years ago, 50 years ago.
They're fantastic movies as well.
So I need to get over that.
That's my issue.
Not yours.

(28:00):
A problem for the movie.
We've got some of those comingup here later on in this project
we're doing, but what are yourfinal thoughts on the Love Witch?
Okay, final thoughts.
This is a feast for the eyes but it'salso a feast for the witch because if a
witch watches and you're watching for allof this symbolism and you're looking for
things like what's in the witch bottleand what they do, um, which by the way,

(28:22):
Uh, using parts of your own body is, is,uh, that is a practice in witchcraft.
Um, typically I don't see peopleusing urine and tampons in witchcraft.
That's just not the way I've seen it done.
I'm not saying that isn'tsomething that people might do.
I mean, if you think about it, it's,yeah, you're using the menstrual cycle to

(28:44):
attract
blood.
Yeah, I have used hair.
So like in making an offering when Iam picking things from my garden, I
don't want to just take from the plants.
I usually leave like a strand ofhair in the soil to nourish it
with whatever offering that I can.
Um, you know, our nail clippings orthings like that that might nourish

(29:05):
a garden and be offered back to theearth, you know, just in a symbol.
Symbolistic, uh, symbolic of reciprocitywith the land, things like that.
Um, however, I did just want topoint out that the tampon thing.
It bothers me because we just foundout, research just showed how much

(29:25):
chemicals and lead is in tampons, sothat doesn't seem quite as natural, um,
as the menstrual blood would maybe doin the witchcraft, so I'm just gonna,
Why it didn't work
out.
Maybe that's that whyit didn't work out for.
Maybe that was it.
that's not why, yeah.
Not a, not a fan, not a fan, but.
My final thought is in the tarot.

(29:45):
So you see Richard, the marriedman that she has an affair with, he
does a little tarot spread as well.
And in his spread, you see the devil card.
And in the devil card, you havetwo people, usually man and woman,
um, naked on the card with thedevil, and they're chained up.
And this card usually comes up whenwe're talking about addiction, or

(30:09):
we're talking about vices, or thingsthat keep you trapped and chained
and, you know, when you're too much inyour ego and that's not serving you.
But it is, in contrast, and a lot oftarot readers read them as opposites.
It is the, um, balancingcard with the lover's card.
Okay.

(30:29):
So they have the same, uh,kind of imagery on them.
You have the two people chainedup on the devil card, and you have
the two lovers on the lover card.
And I think that is very, um, much,The overall takeaway from this movie

(30:49):
is that it's, you know, to be carefulwith what you want and like what
you're actually seeking for, becauseshe kept seeking for real, true love.
And what she got was a lot of lust,passion, um, insecurity, uh, you
know, it didn't work in her favor.

(31:11):
It was more like the devilcard showing up, right?
I love it.
I
think I will watch.
Are you gonna watch this movie again?
Oh yeah, yeah, this will be likemaybe a certain time of year favorite,
maybe during Valentine's Day season.
I mean, it's The Love Witch.
I do.
I think that'd be a great, greatone to, uh, maybe we'll, maybe we'll

(31:33):
screen that for Valentine's Day.
Oh, that'd be amazing.
Put some people in their spare.
Maybe we'll have a naked ritualor whatever they did in the
movie and we'll set up a,
Yeah, yeah, my days of doinganything like that were long gone
if they ever happened at all.
I don't think peopleever catch me doing that.

(31:54):
speaking of naked, let'stalk about this next movie.
Oh,
The autopsy of Jane Doe.
I know.
I don't like to call stufffavorites and all that,
but this
but you've been chomping atthe bit since the beginning.
I know that.
this movie
tell.
up at the top for me.
Uh, it's,

(32:14):
I can see why.
where do you start with this movie?
You've got, you've got theprotagonist that never moves.
She's laying on a
table,
main character, the witch of this movie,
never moves.
Or does

(32:35):
she?
Because I swear, like her face, herimpression, like it looks like they
change a little bit in the movie.
But they don't.
well Matt even said at one pointwhen we were watching it, he
goes, Did I just see her eye move?
Now,
And we weren't sure.
It wasn't quite.
Ian, Ian, the writer Ian Goldberg andRichard Name, I saw an interview with them

(32:59):
on, on, uh, Joe Bob, they, they, Joe BobBriggs and Darcy have done this movie and
Mm hmm.
Ian Goldberg, Joe Bob askedhim, did her face move?
And he's like, no, it's just the, thegreat acting of our main character,
Jane Doe, which is played by
Olwen Kelly.
Owen Catherine Kelly.

(33:19):
And she used, she used yoga.
I know.
And it said, yeah, I read that they hadlooked for and the reason she was cast is
because she is a. A yogi, uh, practicesyoga, and was able to stay still, they
did not want to use, like, a fake body.
They thought, oh, people will, will beable to tell, and we don't want it to

(33:42):
be fake, we want it to be a real body.
And, I mean, that's incredible!
Mind blowing!
She laid there.
For eight to ten hours a day,during filming, on a metal table.
In a room full of probably men,
Yeah.

(34:02):
I
like vulnerable and still
put on what I would call an Oscar.
This is an Oscar winning performancewithout having to do anything.
Say that, I say that because you, I knowyou gotta do a lot to do that, but on the
surface you don't have to do anything.
Except do it well.
She did it.
She did it so well that that alongwith what we'll get into, uh, Brian

(34:29):
Cox and Neil Hirsch, the acting fromthem, you are immersed in this film.
You are trapped
Mm hmm.
at old, it's the old school mentalityof, Oh, the cabin in the woods, or,
uh, how do we get everybody isolatedto where you can't get out to where

(34:49):
you make the viewer feel that way?
Sure.
We've seen it a milliontimes, but not like this.
Yeah,
That's it all.
Go ahead.
You want to say something?
I see you.
I see you.
well, I was just thinking about howyou, you only see the outside of the
house in a couple little parts, youknow, right at the beginning, right at
the end, the entire movie takes place.

(35:10):
Like, underground, in this morgue, and
In a, in a morgue and a family home.
Now, how many people livein the, you know, morgue or
it's a little weird, right?
I couldn't do it.
I actually got a friend, I gota good friend that I went to

(35:31):
high school with, Stephanie.
I love you, Stephanie.
She lives above one in my hometown.
She lives above a funeral home.
Wow.
Talked to her about it before.
She said there's some weird stuff, butyou know, you just don't go looking.
In this movie, they, theydidn't have a choice.
Like the, the doors are opening,there's bodies walking around.

(35:52):
Like it's, you're on edge.
Oh my gosh, yeah.
There's all these little pieces, theradio, you've got the radio playing
different music at certain timesthat matches up, you've got Brian
Cox playing, uh, the dad, the, the
main,
he's fantastic.
and he, he keeps his cool.

(36:13):
It's like, I love how they'recutting open the body.
And he's like, Oh, I'veseen this a thousand times.
Yeah, and it's generational, like they've,they've, this, um, this job, this career
has been in the family for generations,so it's like, passed on to father to
son, like, we just, we do autopsies.
This
the Tilden Morgue.
The Tilden Morgue is what itis in Virginia or somewhere.

(36:35):
It's, he's, it's his life and you cantell he's not really rattled by much.
It's, many times hesays, Oh, it's a corpse.
Oh, it's this, it's
that.
Yeah.
There's got to be somedetachment in doing that job.
Like, I'm not thinking about thisperson, their life, or why or how
they died, or why they died, but howis the only question I need to ask.

(36:57):
And
He gets tested though.
Like it's, as this movie progresses,it's, we'll get to that part.
But,
So did you, did you, um, in doing someresearch for this movie, uh, Emily Hirsch
that, uh, plays Austin, the son, heactually went and worked with coroners

(37:20):
for a while to learn how to do it.
So he was like, um, observing,spent time with bodies, spent time
like watching them do autopsies.
Um, and Brian Cox was like, not me.
I don't blame
a better man than me.
I can't do it.
I cannot.
That's too, it's too icky.

(37:40):
It's too, you know, hewas too grossed out by it.
So,
him.
I don't, I don't think I,there's parts in this movie that
I have a hard time watching.
It's like Ooh, it makes me cringe.
And I'm like,
first of all, it's a movie.
Second of all, if it wasreal, it's an autopsy.
Like it's, you got the, you haveto process all still me seeing

(38:01):
them doing the big incisions.
And what is it though?
What is it?
Cracking the ribs open.
Oh man.
The,
hear the sound effects with thecrunch, crunch, crunch, all that.
give me the rip saw orwhatever he calls it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's, it's excruciating to watch.
And then when we find out later onthat, not only is it excruciating to

(38:25):
watch, but it's excruciating for themain character at the same time, even
though she's dead, spoiler alert, sorry,but she could feel all this happening
Yeah.
according to them, and I don'twant to jump too far ahead because
there's a lot of things that arelining up that are out of ordinary.

(38:47):
You go from, if you catch theselittle, these little signs and
these little, little tidbits, suchas the very beginning of the movie.
Beautiful weather.
Yes.
You hear it.
You, you can hear it in thebackground where they're talking about
there's beautiful weather coming.
No signs of anything, basically.
And then guess what?

(39:08):
That body shows up, all hell breaks loose.
Mm hmm.
You can hear the storm.
The weather reports onthe radio are different.
Um,
Everything's like, this storm is worst.
We've done, which I keptthinking, oh, if the storm's so
bad, then, um, his girlfriend.
Emma?
Was that her name?

(39:29):
yeah.
Yeah, I'm like, oh, sheprobably won't come back then.
Because he sends her away,says, I'm sorry, another body's
come in, I need to help my dad.
You know, go, go without me.
Come back, we'll go see a midnight show.
Meet me here in a couple of hours.
And the whole time I'm thinking,well, she's not going to come
back, there's a huge storm.
Yeah.
Yeah!

(39:49):
Mm
So when she does comeback, tragedy strikes.
But we also find out thatthat storm never happened.
Like it's to me on your first watch,you don't notice them talking about

(40:10):
the weather so much in the background.
And you, but when you,
yeah,
movie, for sure, yeah.
catch that on, on, on a, on arewatch and you're like, oh my gosh.
There's all these little signs that arelike, not that we don't know already
that shit ain't right, like somethingweird is wrong, um, but the weather

(40:31):
picks up, then we find out you can'tget out of the elevator, powers, what?
The power's out, the storm dooris trapped by the old oak tree,
like all these things, and
Yeah, they build that trappedfeeling, that intensity really well.
You're just like, Oh,
isolation, you can't get in orout basically, is what the thought

(40:53):
is, and to me, it's the thing,it's Alien, which Stephen King,
who doesn't like anything really.
Stephen King will probably seeour project here if he ever
does and be like, that's trash.
I don't know, you know, I probably agree.
But Stephen King, I love this project.

(41:14):
Stephen King did say that this movie Itwas up there with the echelons of Alien.
And that's a huge compliment.
I'm an Alien fan.
I mean, I got an Alienposter on my shoulder here.
Alien's one of the greatest franchisesin the history of horror movies.
Alien's the peak for me.
Yeah.
Think about it, that movie should be themost terrifying movie you've ever seen.

(41:38):
Space, trap, nowhere to go, and you gotThe perfect organism on the other side.
And for him to compare thesetwo movies together, I see it.
She's the perfect organismin this situation.
There's no way to stop her.
It's
Terrifying.
super terrifying that you're isolatedin this morgue, not a spaceship.

(42:02):
Lots of similarities to thealien movies and still found
a way to do it in a new way.
It's, it's, uh,
Yeah, you get that feelingwhen they're in the elevator.
I mean, they've done everythingthey can to run away to try to
like find some safety, right?
Like you do.
And you feel that sense with them.
Cause you're like, just get into theelevator or just get into like, you

(42:24):
just want to calm down for a second.
You want to feel that like rest.
They're in the elevator and Austin, theson is like, why hasn't she killed us yet?
She could easily just kill us right now.
Like that's, that's how powerful she is.
There's no way out.
Like That perfect organism.
It is, but you know whatthat does is build tension.

(42:46):
There's, this entire movieis just like an alien movie.
It's, you're, it's, there is no breather.
You're tense the entire time.
Yeah, I felt that.
You don't know what's gonnahappen, but you know something is.
They did a great job of building anatmosphere, of making a viewer, bringing
a listener, viewer in and makingthem immersed into that situation.

(43:11):
With Tommy and his son, you know, itwas, to me, I felt like I was there.
I feel like I'm there all the time.
I'll watch it in a dark room andI'm there and I'm like, Oh my God.
Yes.
I felt that too.
And I was like sitting with my notes, myhusband sitting next to me on the couch.
We're watching it together.

(43:32):
And I told him, I evenwrote it in my notes.
I was like, I can't watch.
And I told my husband, I'm like, youmight have to just describe to me
what's happening so that I can stillget what I need, but not have to watch.
Cause I was just like this on the couch.
Like,

(43:52):
That's how I was, but not, butI want to say that it's not
like, you know, I'm terrified.
Yeah, I'm sure I'm terrified,but it's not like a, I'm going
to stop watching this thing.
I got to see how this,
I got to
Oh no, I wanted to see it.
I wanted to see everything.
I was just like, I can't physicallylook at it while I'm trying to watch it.

(44:14):
It was just that kind of like,it's the intensity was so much.
I feel like I'm there.
I'm in it right now.
And they did that with the,um, parts where lights go out.
And there's sort of a, um, youknow, the flashlight, so you're
not seeing everything, or the partwhere they're in the smoke, walking

(44:34):
through the hallway, and you can'tsee anything, but there's like strobe
lights kind of an effect going on.
shadows of her legs every oncein a while, or somebody's legs.
And you're like, they
Love it.
So good.
highly, highly intense.
Like I said, it's thismovie also is an experience.
This is not just watching a movie.

(44:55):
You are experiencing whatthey're going through.
You go through an entire autopsy.
Like how often am I goingto watch an autopsy?
Never.
But this
movie.
like the organs like oh we're gonna.
And it's cool to see the board.
It's cool to see all thestuff, that's how they do it.
Then they start doing the autopsy.

(45:16):
So, when they're cutting heropen, that's when, really, your,
your, uh, the dad, uh, Brian Cox.
What was his name in the movie?
It was Blane.
I mean Austin.
So when Tyler's in there cuttingup, cutting up Jane Doe and he's

(45:37):
talking about, oh I've seen thisand I've seen that and then they
open their mouth and that's aboutthe first moment you're like, uh oh.
Yeah.
I mean before that they cut, they'redoing the color of the eyes too
and it pops the eyes open and it'sgray and you're like, huh, like
Yeah.
He's like, well, usually that's what theylook like when they're dead for a while.

(45:59):
Um, but what's interesting, they,they know, even before they do
that, they know how clean she is.
yeah.
Then
And Matt said that too, because wewere both watching them wheeler in and
we're like, wasn't she found in dirt?
She's like clean and like onthe outside before they look
at anything, she looks perfect.

(46:19):
they start cutting her open and there isnothing perfect on the inside of this.
Yeah, so many things start adding up andyou're like, Oh my gosh, she's a mess.
them.
So they're cutting her open and allat the same time, Tommy is basically
saying, Oh, I've seen this before.
And he's going back and forth to books.
And he's like, Oh,

(46:39):
Yeah.
you start seeing that.
Hmm.
Maybe he's fighting with himself andthinking there's something weird going on.
You got the missing tongue.
Her tongue got cut out.
Tongue,
Lungs, their lungs are burned up.
The
scars,
on the inside.
They figure out her anklesare broken pretty quick.
And he's like,

(46:59):
and wrists shattered, but no outwardbruising or damage, just shattered.
He says at first fractured and thenthe son's like, No, they're shattered.
and.
He moves that thing around andyou're like, oh my god, that
looks like, oh, that's rough.
And if that's not already weird enough,then they start cutting her open.
And that's when we cut open thestomach and he pulls out Jimson weed.

(47:24):
Yes.
Natura is what that is.
It's the devil's trumpet.
I know about this, this drug.
I read the old, uh, There's a websitewhere you could read about people's trips.
I never wanted to do it, but I lovedgoing and reading about people's
Natura trips because of how awful.
They were.
So for her to have this in hersystem, it's a paralyzing agent.

(47:45):
It also gives you hallucinogenic.
Which is why it was in the LoveWitch given to Wayne, they find
out in the toxicology report.
So there's a connection there.
Exactly.
And then you've got even further,they cut her open and you've got the
shroud, the cloth with the sigilson it and Roman numerals, which

(48:07):
we know what that goes to later.
But they unwrap it andthere's a tooth in there.
Like, it's her tooth!
too, yeah.
Again, using body parts for witchcraft.
This is just another example of like, theway that the Love Witch uses her urine and
her menstrual blood and things like that.
Um, animal parts, fur, teeth, bones.

(48:29):
This is stuff that you see alot of times used in witchcraft.
And so, yeah, it makes totalsense to me that there'd be
a bone or a tooth in there.
So why would they makeher eat her own tooth?
I guess it's torture.
This,
Yep.
they tortured this woman,
Yes.
and we find out that later, but Idon't want to get to the end yet.

(48:49):
Um, leading up to that, you still gotTommy, who is not so sure about stuff,
and then there's a, there's a breakingpoint, right about halfway in the movie,
and what is it, the lights go out?
Yeah.
The storm is supposedly gettingworse, so the radio is like
What's the radio doing?
You got some info on that radio, I

(49:09):
think, don't you?
The radio keeps playing asong, and when it first comes
on, they're like That's weird.
And they try to change the channelbecause it's like this old song.
Um, but I had to look it up because Iwas like, is this song from the movie?
Or is it from before the movie?
It's from 1954 Maguire Sisters.
So let the sun shine in.

(49:30):
And the lyrics are all about like,um, don't let the devil Get to you,
you have to smile and be happy.
And that's how you cankeep the devil away.
And it keeps coming back to this songlike three, four times in the movie,
different points, like very specificpoints, but yeah, it's interesting.

(49:54):
Yeah.
And then you hear certainthings on the radio.
It's like there's theone thing that pops out.
It's like, you're not getting outof here or whatever he says, and the
lights go out and finally Tommy'ssays, let's get the fuck outta here.
And when he says that, it'sliterally, to me, that's the moment

(50:15):
in the movie where you're like.
Alright, if I'm not alreadyscared, the fact that he just said,
let's get the fuck out of here.
And that way, after being cool, calm,and collected all the way up until
now, I better be fucking terrified.
right.
Cause he's the dad, right?
He's the dad and he's been upuntil this point and that's
why it's very interesting.
I made a note of this in this part whenthey start kind of panicking a little bit.

(50:38):
They're like running out of therethe dynamic that they chose to use
as father and son for this movie.
is very fascinating to me because youget this idea of like, even though it's
a grown son, grown man, the idea isthat he's still going to look to his
dad for like, He knows what's going on.

(51:00):
He's going to protect me.
He's gonna, he's, if he keeps hiscool, then I can keep my cool.
Cause I know it'll be okay.
And you probably have this dynamicdynamic too, where the father is
like, I got to protect my son.
I got to, you know, um, I gotto keep it together for him.
I got to be the strong one.
There's this father sonthing that you can't ignore.

(51:21):
Like it's part of the wholetenseness of this moment, right?
The emotion between them.
It's the, it's emotion that they buildbetween the two actors themselves.
And it comes across on that screen.
Even further when Tommy kind ofgoes back to, Oh, I've seen this.
You know, he's still kindof like, Oh, it's a corpse.

(51:42):
Oh, that's not possible.
And that's when Austin says a great,another line that I picked up on.
He says, we are far past what's possible.
And at that point, anotherpoint in the movie, you're
like, Oh, we ain't going back.
Like this is, this is, thisis going where it's going.

(52:03):
And even all the way up until now,we still don't know she's a witch.
Yeah,
A
big spoiler.
going on.
Yeah, it's just the bodies aremissing out of the drawers.
Dad's like, okay, let'sget the fuck out of here.
Like, I admit this is crazy.
We have to just get out.
Let's just go.
And then they're runningthrough halls and yeah.

(52:25):
He gets, they get trappedin a, I guess an office,
Yes.
he pulls the curtain back.
You see a glimpse of her.
If you really pause it, you seea glimpse of somebody standing
There's like the shadow, right?
Yeah.
he's like, Oh, you're in.
And at the same time as a, as a viewer,you're like, Oh, okay, we're good.
And then it gets fucking snatched.

(52:46):
Yeah.
I love
see the gray eyeball close up.
You're like this man, like,
Yeah.
while watching this movie, once again,the isolation, you as a viewer are like.
I want to get the fuck out of here.
Like you're, you're like, you'relike, wait, I want to get it

(53:07):
out of here, but where do I go?
Like, you're, you're,there is no safe spot.
And like Austin said, everythingthat's possible is gone.
Like anything that was notpossible is out the window.
We have seen too much toknow there's something weird
going on.
of flip roles here because now thesun is the one being like, you have to

(53:27):
accept that this is all going haywireand we got to do something about it.
keeps saying, it's her,her, that's his, that's and.
Finally, they, they do get that,like it, they realize it's her,
they find out what's going on,and what do they find, Courtney?

(53:48):
Well, I have to point out this isreally like, uh, um, old cinema, Alfred
Hitchcock kind of, um, way of doinghorror movies because it's even more
intense or scary when you don't see.
What's attacking them, right?
And I was told in a cinema classonce, they were talking about

(54:08):
Psycho, and they were talkingabout how, um, You don't see her.
You don't see Mrs. Bates.
You don't see the killer.
You see a shadow.
And that's more terrifying to theaudience than if you actually see it.
And I think that, thatwas like a call to that.
Cause you, when he, when the dad getspulled into the shadows and you're
seeing him getting like banged aroundand you see just that eye, you're

(54:32):
not actually seeing her or a, orwhat it is, but you're, you're just
like, something in the dark, right?
I guess, really, we neverreally know that it is her.
No!
If you don't,
Is it one of the bodies?
Is it all in their head?
is it a spirit of her?
Like, what, like, what, like,yeah, is it in her head?

(54:53):
Like, what is going on in there?
Like, it's so many layers.
There's a lot of layers.
It's really cool.
I love that kind of stuff in, in moviesthat it, it plays with you a lot and
it's not just like handing it to you.
It's not just like showingyou this is the killer.
This is watch them, stab them.

(55:14):
I, I like it when there's a lotmore mystery to it because then
my mind fills in the blanks andthat's probably worse than anything
the movie could show me anyway.
Now, this movie was, was, uh,inspired by The Conjuring.
And I don't know if you've seenthe, uh, the, the director of
Norwegian director, Andre Overdahl,hope I'm pronouncing that right.

(55:36):
If not, somebody out there from oneof these Norwegian countries, please
correct me and get us and get itactually get us in touch with Andre.
I'd love to talk to him orIan Goldberg, the writer.
Oh, that'd be amazing.
He took the inspirationfrom The Conjuring.
Now, Andre also made a troll,the Troll Hunter movie.

(55:57):
That Trollhunter movie,uh, me to go to Iceland.
So I went to Iceland.
Okay.
Thank
There you go.
you for that, Andre.
But, uh, he's, he's puttogether some great experiences
and this is an experience.
The film itself, even filming itwould have been an experience.
They filmed it in chronological order.

(56:18):
Oh, yeah.
to me, you see that it's, it's,it's evident when you watch it back
that it was in chronological order.
Yeah.
Everything is.
Basically growing asthe movie goes, the, the
tension, The emotions betweenthe characters, the terror,

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Yeah.
torture, she got tortured.
And that's what we find out endsup being, uh, when they, when they
get to the Roman numerals and theyfigured this part out and they're
looking at the Bible verses and
find out that the shroud that thetooth was wrapped in, it says 19
6, or I mean, sorry, 1693 on it.

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And the, the peat, um, that theyfound under her nails, they're
like writing on the board, this is,this is all coming from up north.
We don't have peat here.
So, um, so they kind of pinpointthat it's New England and
they're like, well, she's from.
You know, 15th centuryNew England or something.
Oh, 17th century New England,and they're like, wait a minute.

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and
What's up with that?
even me, I'm like, Hey,my high school math.
The numbers don't seem to add up here.
Like there's a couplehundred years missing.
Like there's something going on.
So yeah,
And what do we know about the 17thcentury New England time period?
There were a lot of people accusedand killed for being witches and even

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Tommy says, but they were innocent.
So, she's an innocent, and this iswhere I love the turn that they take
when they're figuring out where shecame from, what happened to her, she
was tortured, and she had witchcraftused against her, which supposedly was

(58:12):
probably, and this is actually whathappens a lot in history, is witchcraft
is used to protect against witchcraft,and so what Ended up happening is the
people who tortured her in this way.
They ended up creating what they feared.
She wasn't a witch, but now she is.
well, with that amount oftorture, you have to, you have

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to turn into a vengeful spirit.
That's what she is.
Oh,
We've been to the vengeful witch.
And
this is the half hanged Mary storyall over again from my episode of
Practically Magic, where we talkabout burning and witch trials.
also not only do you see, uh, himtalk about they were all innocent

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and you know, they're, they're almostpainting the opposite picture of what
Arthur Miller's, The Crucible does.
In that, in that book, you know,they say on which trials are,
it's a little bit different story.
So in Autopsy of Jane Doe, it's likea spin on that to say, ah, they might
have been innocent, but they're notnow because you made them this way.

(59:22):
I love that take.
I don't know if there's historicalreference or whatever in that kind
of take that and people torturinga person so much make them a witch.
Courtney, how long were you torturedbefore you turned into a witch?
Well, how about this?
If you consider the witch wound,which is that so many were accused of
witchcraft just living their lives.

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gaining any type of power whatsoeverover their own body, over their
livelihood, over a way to make money,over a way to support yourself,
over a way to, uh, choose, um, whenand how you want to have a baby.
All of that stuff is generationsupon generations upon generations of

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women needing to find their place insociety and how they can find power.
So, I mean, when you consider it that way.
Whether you want to call it witchcraftor whether you want to call it
empowerment, uh, If you're a bodywho's alive but not alive, you're

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not able to move and be alive.
You've been tortured into this stateand had witchcraft forced upon you,
shoved into your mouth and into yourbody with the shroud and the tooth
and the, and the string in her mouth.
And I mean, clearly thisritualistic torturing took place.
And it's not just the torture itself.

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I mean, the pain that she probablyexperienced in being tortured was part
of it, but the pain or the torturerepresents all of that oppression
that women have had to endure forcenturies upon centuries upon centuries,
even when they weren't a witch, evenwhen they weren't practicing what we
would traditionally call witchcraft.
So here's the revenge.

(01:01:10):
So, I mean, this is where, I hate tosay it, but I'm listening, I'm watching
this movie, and I'm like, I hope nothinghappens to Tommy and Austin, they're
innocent, I'm, I'm, I'm all, I'm alllike, I hope they get out of this alive,
but when I find out what this poor womanhas gone through, when I find out what
she's had to do to gain any sort of power,that what she does with that power is she

(01:01:34):
exacts revenge on anyone and everyone.
It just happens to hit these twoguys who were just doing their job.
You get caught in a crossfireand you can't be mad at her.
Like, you can't, you can't.
Sorry.
I'm totally with you.
And I thought the same thing.
I was like, Oh, please, TommyAustin, get out of there.
Tommy even gives in.

(01:01:55):
He leans down to her.
He's like, basically, I don'twant to, I don't want to hurt you.
And then, from what I gather,she transfers her spirit off into
his or something, into his body.
His eyes turn gray.
He's getting all the wounds.
He starts snapping his bones.
Like,
experiences the torture.

(01:02:16):
yeah, so he's going through it now.
Was that her passing it off to him?
Is that what that was?
You know, I'd like to think so.
I mean, it would bekind of cool to see it.
Uh, he sacrifices himself to take onall of her transgression or whatever,
you know, that would look like.
Um, and he ends his life for herand she gets pieced back together.

(01:02:45):
She's whole again.
And I don't know, she gets up andwalks off to live her life maybe?
Or, uh, I don't know what happensto her, but she's whole again.
She's able to heal from this.
That's not the ending we get.
It's like, it's kind of like,it just starts over, right?

(01:03:05):
She just gets put backtogether for the next person.
So that's open for interpretation.
Does she continue
revenging, going on her vengeful tour?
Yeah, how many people need to die?
My,

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does she continue andthen also Tommy continue?
Are there two spirits split now?
Like are there two vengeful spirits?
I don't know, but yeah, I lovethat it's open to interpretation.
We don't get handed the answers.
Final thoughts.
You got any final thoughts on thismovie before we wrap this one up?

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my, my rants about oppressed women andwitchcraft and the correlation, I think
kind of, kind of sums that up really well.
Um, but I I did have tolook up the Leviticus, um,
The Bible
Bible verse that they found in the shroud.

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So that's how they find out what she is.
They find the, the, that it's ascripture that is on the shroud
in the Roman numeral numbers.
Tell me about that because Iknow out there are a million
different variations of the Bible.
So which one were they using?
What's that really say?
When you're Googling it, itdoesn't say exactly what they read.

(01:04:30):
At least from the versions that Icould find, um, I, it seems like they
kind of pulled from a lot of differentLeviticus like verses and kind of
put that together as like witchcraft.
Um, but all of these differentinterpretations of like Leviticus 1926.
Um, the one that's in themovie is Leviticus 2027.

(01:04:52):
Um, it says stuff like mediums, fortunetellers, um, people who practice
divination, and then in some versions,They sum that up with witchcraft and, uh,
you know, they should be put to death bystoning is kind of the, the general idea
of these scriptures, which is interesting.
And I mean, Leviticusis hard on everybody.

(01:05:14):
I don't know if there's anybody thatcan get away with anything and live at
Leviticus without being a. Stone to death.
So, um, I don't know, you know, how muchyou want to take credit in that, but like
we follow the Bible word for word reallybecause I don't think anybody can do that.
Um, but yeah, that's interesting becauseit's like fortune tellers mediums,

(01:05:34):
they kind of just lump it all into onewhen they talk about witchcraft and
they're like, anybody who does that
That's interesting.
And I also, I want to point outtoo, in one of my final thoughts
is that when this Leviticus, Bibleverse comes up and we're looking at
the pages and we finally see witch.
You see the word witch.
That's the first time in this moviethat it, the word witch has been

(01:05:58):
mentioned that we even, it's, it'syour validity finally at this point,
because sure, all these other thingsyou're like, huh, that seems kind of
Yeah.
like, that's, hmm, did they burn her?
Who, what kind of people did they burn?
Witches?
Like you, you start adding it up, butit's not until this part, when they look
at Leviticus, which is probably what?

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Maybe 20 minutes left in the movie.
And that's when I finally say,which, and I think that's a, another
key moment in the movie, uh, that,
yeah, it erases all your doubt, if you hadany by this point, uh, it's yeah, really.

(01:06:41):
And it, it just puts it into context.
And then finally you're like, oh, yeah.
I saw that coming, but in othermovies where you see stuff
coming, you're prepared for it.
You're still not prepared for it.
Mm hmm.
You see it coming, but now what?
You don't have anywhere to go.
You're stuck with this, the rest of this,and when you find that kind of stuff out

(01:07:05):
in other movies, that's about the end.
It's like over.
You're done.
You're like, okay, cool.
Move on.
Roll the credits.
Not here.
And,
Yeah, it's like now what,now that we know this.
Yeah.
What do we do about it?
They tried to destroy her bodyjust by burning her right then
and there and it didn't work.
I mean,
almost broke the building.

(01:07:25):
They almost broke the buildingthere, like they almost broke down
the whole thing, like it was wild.
And,
Such a good movie.
my voice is lo I ain't losingmy voice even more now, I think
Jane Doe's taking in my voice.
I think that's what's happening.
Something's going on, but.
These two movies are incredible.
Uh, I'm going to give one more plugto another movie that I, I've seen and

(01:07:48):
ran across that if you like Jane Doe,The Autopsy of Jane Doe, you got to
check out this movie called Sushi Girl.
Oh.
Girl is 2012, it's about a littleover a decade old, but there's a girl
named Courtney Palm who plays theSushi Girl and she does exactly what

(01:08:12):
What's her name?
Owen does in, in, uh, Jane Doe.
And she lays there the entire moviewhile the bear takes place around her.
And it's not witchy or anything likethat, but I think it's, it's very
cool because if you know anythingabout the sushi girls who lay there
and it's the ones who are naked andthey let them eat sushi off of them.
Right.
Yeah.

(01:08:32):
What's going on in the room with them.
They are trained to notmove and not do anything.
What's going on around her in this movie,in Sushi Girl, is this big gangster
meeting, and they're talking about allthese crimes and it's, check that one out.
If you enjoyed,
fascinating.
That's good.
Well, I, since you mentioned that

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that brought this movie brought tomy, um, connections a couple of years
ago, I was in a book club and we eachget to take turns picking a book and
we were, um, on the nonfiction genre.
So it was like, we got to picksomething that's nonfiction
and I picked the book Stiff.
By Mary Roach.

(01:09:14):
It's called Stiff!
The Curious Life of Human Cadaversand It was absolutely fascinating.
Now, cadavers kind of creep me out.
I think about like, what it would belike to actually see one or work on one
or, um, my sister went through nursingschool and things like that and they had
to go and study cadavers for a semester.

(01:09:36):
I was like, I don't know how you do it.
That's so cool.
That's so disturbing to me.
But this book goes through allthe different things that can
happen to a cadaver after you die.
When you donate it to science, whenyou donate it to forensic studies, when
you, um, when you're cremated, whenyou're, um, you know, all the different
options, all the different things.

(01:09:58):
It's Really well written, and um, therewere some people in my book club that
were like not, not, not, not reading that.
Nope, too, too gross for me or whatever.
But I was like, it's fascinating!
So, plug for that book in connectionto The Autopsy of Jane Doe.
It would be a fascinating readafter watching this movie.

(01:10:19):
How
got to catch our breath, Courtney.
Yeah, two excellentmovies and a lot of death.
A lot of death.
You even thought that the Autopsy ofJane Doe was an A24 movie because yeah,
A24 movies we've been watchingfor The Witch Movie Project and

(01:10:40):
I'm like, well when everybodydies It's probably A24, right?
that's like,
time.
no hat.
I mean, they, they, they had the mostjoyful romps out there, you know,
like happy endings and all, you know?
Yeah.
of them are, um, even this one,all of them are very psychological.
There's a lot more depth to thiskind of horror than you typically

(01:11:04):
find with Halloween or Fridaythe 13th or something like that.
Yeah, honestly, honestly, uh, it is areally true testament and, and a, uh,
high remark for you to think that Autopsywas an A24 movie because to get, I
wouldn't be upset if I made a movie andsomebody was like, Oh, that's A24 movie.

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And it wasn't
Yeah.
because really it, it, it, theyset this atmosphere and it did have
that atmosphere and Richard Nang andIan Goldberg, the writers mandate.
Incredible.
Like, incredible.
I don't want to go, we already talked,we picked it apart, but I hope, this

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is just me, I don't want to, I don'twant to sway any voters, but I,
according to Blane.
yes, I hope that this is themovie we air October 26th.
at Novel Daybreak by Crescent Communitiespresents the Witch Movie Project live
podcast taping and movie screening.
I hope it's all top.

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we want to see you there.
Come watch a movie with us, right?
Yeah, this would be the fun one.
This would be the one that I thinkwould be an incredible experience.
If you haven't seen it, don't watch it.
Come out, see it with us.
I'm already planning forthis to be the movie.
I can't wait.
Yeah,
what Carla does with the uh, decorationsand with our, um, setting things up.

(01:12:30):
Lift Cake Parties is coming to decorateand get the event all set up for us.
it's gonna be an incredible time.
Like, don't forget the costume contest.
With prizes donated by Land ofa Thousand Hills Coffee Shop.
Man, that's gonna be wild too.
Like, we're gonna have a meet and greetat Land of a Thousand Hills at what, 5?

(01:12:51):
15?
because people got to get theirdrinks, they uh, they serve some beer
and ciders there, they've got somedrinks that are called Witch Aid, and
16?
great stuff over there.
So people can get their drinks,have, have their drinks before
they head over to the event, right?
Yep.
Let's get on out of here.
We'll see everybody here next week.
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