Exploring Witchy Classics: Practical Magic & The Witches of Eastwick

Exploring Witchy Classics: Practical Magic & The Witches of Eastwick

In this episode, we dive into the iconic witch-themed films, 'Practical Magic' and 'The Witches of Eastwick.' Join us in the witch's lair as we discuss the magical elements, themes, and behind-the-scenes stories of these cult classics. From sisterhood bonding and supernatural antics in 'Practical Magic' to the seductive yet sinister charms of Jack Nicholson in 'The Witches of Eastwick,' we cover it all. Plus, hear about our upcoming live podcast and contest event. Grab a margarita and get cozy as we dissect these witchy favorites and sharing fascinating folklore insights!

00:00 Welcome to the Witch's Cauldron

00:55 Practical Magic Party Tales

01:59 Upcoming Witch Movie Project Events

03:29 Diving into Practical Magic

04:47 Sisterhood and Curses

12:40 Behind the Scenes Magic

17:34 Iconic Midnight Margaritas Scene

21:57 Hollywood's Witchcraft Portrayal

25:47 The Enchanting Owens House

35:26 Witchy Wisdom and Final Thoughts

39:38 The Essence of Spell Ingredients

39:54 Crafting Your Own Spells

40:15 Debunking Spell Myths

40:37 Practical Magic: A Deeper Dive

40:43 The Ants and Witchcraft

41:15 The Art of Spinning and Scrying

42:20 The Movie's Timeless Appeal

44:04 The Witches of Eastwick Introduction

44:25 Star-Studded Cast and Production Insights

47:52 Plot Breakdown and Themes

49:20 The Devil's Influence and Symbolism

01:01:34 Felicia and Clyde: The B Plot

01:06:59 Filming Locations and Local Reactions

01:10:19 Liberation and Independence Themes

01:15:20 Event Announcements and Closing Remarks

Episode Transcript

(00:08):
Ah!
Welcome to my lair.
You are now in the witch's cauldron andwe are here to talk about witches today.
Yes, this is The WitchMovie Project, right?
Courtney, we're still doing this.
This has been so much fun, has it not?
It's been a blast.

(00:28):
Like we've had
time.
We've had some crazy stuff happen duringthe taping of this, during the recordings,
all the way from getting stars of themovie themselves to come on the show.
Pure magic.
We
Pure magic.
it and it just came into our lives.
Practical magic.
Wait a minute.
I'll just spoil the movie for today,but they already read the title.
They see this, they know, and theyknew if they knew you, people out

(00:52):
there had to know that you weregoing to pick this movie, right?
I mean, I did host a party last yearpractical magic movie party for anybody
who said they hadn't seen the movie beforeand I was like, you're coming to my house,
and we're doing midnight margaritas.
I love it.
And you've also, you also host a podcast.
that you stole the name from the movie.

(01:14):
yeah, it's
Okay.
Okay.
inspired.
You didn't, you didn't steal it.
It's an homage, I believeis what we would call that.
You got an homage to the moviePractical Magic with your podcast
Practically Magic, which is foundright here on Ride the Wave Media.
Plugged.
Cheap plug.
I had to do that, you know, so.
Alright,
it.
You deserve all of it.

(01:34):
but let me hear about this, this,uh, this midnight margarita party.
What, what was this like?
Um, pretty lame, actually.
Sandra Bullock didn't show up?
It was a lot more fun in the movie.
Oh,
I got a couple of friends over.
We watched the movie.
I got to, uh, you know, sharemy, um, my love for the movie.
And, um, that was good enough.

(01:57):
I think it's just fun to gettogether with your friends.
well listen, let's talk about the partythat is not gonna be lame, for sure,
that's coming up, that's coming up.
Centered around the Witch Movie
better.
Yeah, right.
Centered around the Witch Movie Project.
It's the live podcasttaping and movie screening.
Plus the huge contestnow, the costume contest.

(02:17):
Land of a Thousand Hills Coffee Shopis supplying the prizes for that.
Novel Daybreak by Crescent Communitiesis the proud sponsor of this whole show.
The Witch Movie Project.
Live Cake Parties.
Gonna crush it with, I can't waitto see what Karla sets up in there.
are amazing.
I was
Ooh!
other day about some of the birthdayparties I've seen her put together.

(02:39):
I mean, it, it rivalsthose Kardashian parties
It does, and you know, and you know what?
And you know what?
Karla loves Halloween.
So I can't wait to see whatshe comes down there and tears
it up with live cake parties.
And don't forget, we got StaceyMillhorn out there at Pure Sweat
and Float Studios in South Jordan.
If you haven't done that yet, youguys gotta go out there and get

(02:59):
a float, cause it's incredible.
It's incredible.
Yeah.
Friend of mine just did thesauna when she was sick.
She had all kinds of going onand then she went into the sauna.
She's like, I feel a ton better.
Cleared her up, huh?
I did the same thing.
It's wild.
It's, it's incredible.
But right now, get cozy, get some,uh, tequila, margaritas ready,

(03:27):
if you want to do that with us.
But right now we're going to get intoPractical Magic, the 1998 witchy drama
that's all about spells, sisterhood,and Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman
looking like a dream team, right?
Like they do.
So
take their picture to my, uh, hairdresser.

(03:49):
that movie, and I'm like, can you cut it?
Can you style it?
Can you do it exactly like that?
I grew my hair out becauseof that movie of them.
you had the hairstyle of NicoleKidman, or which one, which character
did you have the hairstyle of?
Either.
I mean, they're both just, they'relike the Rachel from Friends, right?

(04:11):
Of the, of the witch community, if
I love it now.
I love it.
So this movie though, is also,it's directed by Griffin Dunn,
and it's based on a mo, it'sbased on a novel by Alice Hoffman.
Uh, it's got, it's got a greatmix of romance, tragedy, and a
healthy sprinkle of supernaturalantics, really, because you get to

(04:32):
see this as the movie progresses.
Is this the witch movie ofall witch movies, Courtney?
I gotta ask you that.
for sure, hands down.
Okay.
So I know we've been going througha lot of different witch movies.
We've done some family friendly ones.
We've done a lot of horror genre, whichI love, you know, I love, there's no

(04:53):
contest for me that if you were to askanyone, anyone, Who's like, what movie
really, truly depicts magic in the waythat understand it, the way magical
people understand it, it's this movie.
Really?
did read the book years ago, by the way.
It's very different.
It's a very different feel.

(05:13):
is a little more whimsical, the movie.
It kind of centers aroundSally and, um, and Jilly.
But, uh, the book centersmore around Sally's story.
Girls, they're older inthe book and it's darker.
It's a little slower.
It's a little more kindof a different vibe.
But yeah.

(05:33):
Does it still have that, uh,that complex feel of, is this a
kid's thing or an adult thing?
Does it still have that balance?
Yeah.
Like, weird balance?
how the critics werereally confused by it.
And when the movie came out, I mean,the book is just straight up adults.
You know, kind of a dark, magical sortof context, but, but when the movie came

(05:58):
out, people were like, I'm so confused.
Is this a kid's movie?
Cause it's too adult to be a kid's movie.
And it's too kid to be an adult movie.
I, it wasn't like super great when itfirst came out box office wise, but
it has become like a cult classic.
I mean, you can't like throw arock in Halloween season without
somebody mentioning practical magic,

(06:20):
Absolutely.
Now, you gotta point out also here thatthe time period that this came out in,
1998, is way different than 2024 rightnow, because to me, this is a kids movie.
Like, I watch it and sure, there'slanguage in there, but my kids are
out there saying whatever already.
So,
my kids have all seen it.
Watch
bother me.
Like,
year.

(06:40):
yeah, it doesn't bother me,but to me, it is a kids movie.
Let's call it a family movie.
I think it's more of a family moviethan maybe a kids movie because
it does, it covers all of it.
It's got the balance.
Let's talk about the plot.
It's Sally, Jilly, Owens.
They're the ladies in a longline of witches, cursed in love.

(07:03):
They've almost got the same typeof curse that our love witch had
back in the other movie, right?
Earlier in this projectwe did the love witch.
And basically,
that they thread that linethrough the Puritans of the
17th century in New England.
You know, here's their ancestorMaria who is hated by the town.

(07:26):
Especially because, um, the women.
want to protect theirhusbands from someone who has
clearly some sexual energy.
I don't know, you know, that'swhere a lot of the accusations
come from anyway, right?
yeah, so that's got historical referencethen, is what you're saying, kind of
what they show here at the beginningof the movie and through the movie.

(07:50):
And then basically what we find out isthat every man who dares fall in love
with an Owens woman meets a grim death.
Like it's, it's, they're done.
Like everybody that falls in love.
Jilly gets tangled up with Jimmy.
This dude's a creep.
Like, is he not?
Yeah, obviously we're like lookingat the tropes of what makes a woman a

(08:14):
witch and what makes her useful or howshe's perceived by her community, right?
So like, Jilly has all this sexualenergy, you know, Nicole Kidman.
Oh my gosh.
I have like a big girl crush on her.
I can't
I still,
She's amazing.
she still, she was in somethingjust not long ago and I still, I was
like, she still looks incredible.
Like it's,

(08:34):
Isn't she just like dripping with it?
Like, she's just like, justimagine she walks into a room
and everybody's like, oh, like,
she's got a, she's got an aura,she's got a a, a witchy aura already.
I think there's somewitches out in Hollywood.
I, I do think some of them womenare witches, and I don't mean
that in a derogatory Tyra becauseI mean, hell, I'm part of.
Yeah, yeah, very powerful.

(08:56):
Very powerful.
But
But I have to highlight this generationalcurse we have here because the
healing work that I do, this is verymuch some of the healing work that's
needed in like any family, not whichfamilies, but like generational things
that have happened in your ancestrycan affect generations beyond that.

(09:19):
So knowing what their ancestor Maria wentthrough when she was cast out from the
community and she was labeled a witchand now the Owens women have to relate
with how that affects them throughouttheir lives and their love lives.
That's very much a real thing.
I mean, that's something that I work withpeople in the healing space is what sort

(09:41):
of things didn't start with you that nowyou and your lifetime are having to deal
with and heal and witness about yourself.
is that like a, like atrauma therapy type thing?
Or what is that?
Yeah.
What do you do?
does.
So what would a, what would awitch, what would a witch do in
that situation to help somebody?
Like, what, what would you do?
What would you do?

(10:02):
So for me personally, I use the healingtechniques of Reiki and emotional
processing when I am with a client,I'm working emotional processing.
We're pulling out energy andwe're discovering what it
is that needs to be moved.
Right?
So in.
The movie, the way that Sally, sowe're talking about young Sally in
the beginning when she's making thatlove spell and she's going around the

(10:25):
greenhouse and she's, because she'slike, I never want to fall in love.
She, she's seeing these women who are liketapping at the glass at her aunt's house.
You know, they're like crazy inlove and they just want like spells.
They want someone tobe obsessed with them.
um, This is like really exciting to Jilly.
She's like, I can't wait to fall in love.

(10:46):
And Sally is like, I neverwant to fall in love.
This looks awful.
Yeah,
It's horrible.
So she goes around and she's pickingpetals off of, um, plants, right?
And she's putting it in a bowl.
it's almost like, There's no, uh,official rule book about how this works.

(11:07):
She's like, you know, hisfavorite shape will be a star.
And she seeks a petal that's a star shape.
And she puts it in her bowl.
I have done enough courses and classes onmagic to know that this is more accurate
than not, that when creating a spell,it's less important that you're getting
the right ingredients and more importantthat you're infusing it with intention.

(11:31):
So it's a lot like when littlekids are making potions out of
mud and sticks in their backyard.
It really does lookmore like that than not.
Like, she's just like, I'mgonna do this, and I'm gonna
put that, and I'm gonna do that.
And then she goes out, and it'slike full moon, and she just lets
the petals fly in the wind, andvoila, she's created a spell.

(11:53):
But the spell is ultimately whathelps break the curse, right?
yeah.
And that's, that's,that's part of the plot.
I didn't finish the initial
The
plot outline, but basically,after she gets with Jimmy
the creep, it all goes south.
He meets his demise atthe hands of the witches.
Yeah,

(12:13):
which style?
In which?
Exactly, in which style?
It was which style?
And he doesn't stay dead.
There's a ghostly showdown, someserious sisterhood bonding, and then
finally she breaks the family curse.
Like, they break it at the end, butthat's basically, that's the movie.
That's the plot outline, butthere's so much more to dig into.
Like, there is a lot toget into in this movie.

(12:34):
Yeah, the actual, like, love thatbreaks the curse between sisters,
these blood sisters, right?
Um, which, by the way, uh, Sandra Bullockand Nicole Kidman had spent so much
time on set together in rehearsals andstuff, they, um, I think it was Sandra
Bullock that said, I want Nicole Kidman.
I want her to play my sister, and broughther in to the movie after she was cast.

(12:58):
So The, um, the producers of theshow were like, they actually
became very much like sisters.
They were, they fought like sisters.
They bonded like sisters.
And, um, and I love hearingthat because you see it come
through in their performance.
They're so sister like.
They're just so connected, right?
Yeah, so the dynamic of them onset, though, behind the scenes, they

(13:22):
encountered kind of a weird, like, aunexpected And what it was, was Griffin
Dunn, he's the, he's the director.
He had Sandra Bullock on one sideand Nicole Kidman on one side, and
Sandra Bullock was doing all ofher takes in two, three takes done.
Nicole Kidman, on the other hand, hadjust gotten done working with Stanley

(13:43):
Kubrick for 18 months on Eyes Wide Shut.
Now, Stanley.
is infamous or famous, whicheverone you want to look at it,
for doing like 70, 80 takes.
So you had Sandra Bullockdoing two or three,
It's like,
like I'm done.
And yeah, and then Nicole Kidmanneeded like 70 or 80 takes for this.

(14:04):
That had to be, that had to costsome real on set, yeah, fighting.
Uh,
so.
I
I'm sure
Bullock just standing there goinglike, come on, what are we doing?
you can only take that so much whenyou're like, hey man, I'm, I'm done.
Like, like get it together, you know,like it's either that or I don't know.
If she was trying to be the perfectionist,because that's what Kubrick was, you know,

(14:28):
he had other movies, he had, uh, 2001,you know, you know, all those movies out
there, he put so much effort into that itwasn't ever going to be two, three takes.
So, She had to get out of that mind frame.
That's, that to me is, that'sa huge drastic difference when
you're working on a film like that.
So yeah, but

(14:50):
Makes sense why, uh, Nicole Kidman wasdripping with sexual energy after coming
off of that movie and then coming in
does, she
a witch.
just came out of, uh, 18 months of orgies,you know, that's what she'd been doing.
mean, yeah, let's just,let's call it what it is.
But uh, speaking of Dunn anddid you hear about the story?
They had, um, hired a witch to be aconsultant on set and, um, I was thinking

(15:18):
to myself when I read this, I, sign me up.
Who needs a witch to be aconsultant on a movie stage?
I will do it in a heartbeat.
But, um, apparently this witchdidn't like what she was paid.
She was, um, asking for more money andthey were like, Sorry, this is what's
in your contract or whatever it is.
and she cursed the set.

(15:38):
And Dunn had to bring in, um, someother, I don't know what he brought,
who he brought in or what he did,but they, they held like a, with all
of the, um, actors, they held like aseance or a ceremony to break the curse
or to cleanse the set of the curse.

(16:01):
and he's quoted as saying, curses onlyhave power if you believe in them.
So, apparently he believed thatperhaps this curse was correct, it
was real, and that he was like, well,you know, it won't hurt to maybe just
bring somebody in, and we'll justkind of cleanse the set of the curse
No, that's wild.
That's wild, because I've heard thestories about, you know, during filming,

(16:23):
cast and crew, they would experience,like, strange unexplained events.
The clocks would stop at midnight,lights flickering, which that, I guess,
did lead to the real exorcism on, onthe set, if you want to call it that.
That's
what it was.
It had to have been an exorcism.
So, so you're telling me that whilethe Owens sisters were battling the

(16:43):
undead lovers and family curses onthe screen, that the cast and crew
were really dealing with, like,seriously spooky stuff off screen?
Which we have, this is not thefirst movie that we've reviewed.
On the which movie podcast, which movieproject podcast, where we've talked
about like this kind of stuff happeningbehind the scenes or like when you're

(17:05):
delving into this world of magic, um,kind of being able to see what is the
unseen, what are we not, you know,what are we experiencing here, right?
That's dedication to the craft.
I can tell you that.
Cause I don't know if I'd stayon a movie set, making a scary
movie and there's really scary,
I'll probably take it as a sign,like, get the fuck out of there.
I don't know.

(17:25):
Yeah, I hereby bless this podcast andI hereby bless this podcast and ward
off any energy that does not serve us.
And there we are.
So,
Now let's talk about the scene.
You know, which one you had aparty dedicated to this scene.
It's the one where they, the witchesbond over the midnight margaritas.

(17:47):
It's honestly like a, uh, Not justthe most iconic moment in this
movie, but it's, it's a, a, aniconic moment in film, like period.
Uh, it's led to parties.
It's led to practical magic parties.
Like you said, you can't, you can'tbe the only one that's ever done it.

(18:07):
Oh, for sure not.
And I honestly, like, don'tcondone the idolization of
alcoholism or anything like that.
I'm just going to put that out there.
But, um, I'm terribleat making margaritas.
I don't know how to make a margarita.
So I apologize to anybody whodid come to my party because I
didn't know how to make them.
but I love the like modern day referenceof the blender being the cauldron.

(18:27):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Great, great, great point.
Now that's, that's a super cool.
Uh, like you said, modernizationof the, the old black cauldron
that we always picture.
Now,
to be You know, ancient times.
We don't have to have this bigblack cauldron over a roaring fire.

(18:49):
We can have, we can have amodern version of our witchcraft.
And it can look like whateverintention we infuse it with.
So, let that be knownto all of you seeking
I heard that the potions theywere, they were brewing up with
this, with these margaritas.
I heard that they were actually drinkingalcohol and bad tequila on set and

(19:10):
getting drunk during these takes.
So some of this is like,
Kidman, um, is
yeah,
how the rumors go.
Uh, she brought on some realtequila and they actually, even,
I think, um, everybody but thecameramen, camera people, who
I had a, they had all this.
They had to hold it straight.
I mean, it would have been, it would have
producers, everybody,Becks, behind the scene.

(19:30):
looked like this if, if, uh, ifthe people had been drinking.
Tilted.
It would have been on tilt.
you imagine?
They're just all, yeah, theyforgot they were filming a movie.
They're just like havinga good time, partying.
Hey, now that's the kind of filmset I would like to be a part of and
not that supernatural stuff going onwhere it's clock stopping at midnight.

(19:52):
Did they ever check thebatteries you think?
I don't know.
Yeah, they're like, we forgot to, um,we forgot to pay the guy that normally
Yeah.
I don't know what happened there.
I don't know.
I'm not sure there, but
Okay, but I do have to say, thisscene always makes me stink.
This and the part where they go tolive, the young girls, Sally and Jilly,

(20:16):
when they first come to live with theaunts, they're like, we eat chocolate
cake for breakfast, we never brush ourteeth, we never do homework, you know,
and they're kind of like, whatever.
And the midnight margarita scene and that.
Both give me such a sense of reliefbecause there is a very powerful message

(20:37):
in just that little especially towomen, which is you don't have to behave
and you don't have to like fallunder societal norms, right?
So like this waking up at midnightjust to have midnight margaritas,
it's like there's no rules.
You don't, there's, rules youthink there are, they're pretend.

(21:00):
Like they're somebody else's rules.
We get to live by our own rules, andthat is so freeing to someone like me.
Yeah!
Why not?
Yeah!
that's an incredibletakeaway from that scene.
Uh, it, it, it, it is so true that
somebody else made the rules.
Somebody else made the rules at all times.

(21:21):
Every rule.
And usually the women who areaccused of witchcraft, let's talk
historically, are just women who didn'treally want to live by those rules.
Like, they were women who werelike, Wait, this is not serving me.
What if I make up my own rules andI live my life based on my rules?
That often got them intotrouble, to be honest, but it's
Yeah.
It did.

(21:42):
so freeing to realize that, like, Ican wake up at midnight, and it might
not be midnight margaritas, but itcan be midnight, um, chocolate bars.
Yeah.
Oh, hell yeah.
you want!
Mm
I love it.
But let me go back to the,to, to Hollywood and witches.
Just in general, I'm like, everybodyback up here because I might go
off on a rant here about whatHollywood's done to the witches.

(22:05):
They basically, they made themout to be tragically romantic
figures doomed to lose in love.
They're trying, they try to findstrength through the sisterhood.
All the movies are basicallythe same about witches.
And then Practical Magic,ultimate homage to this trope.
Uh, Sally, Jilly, they're notjust facing the external demons,
but they got internal ones too.

(22:27):
And it's all this stuff going on, it'sreal life, there's romance, bond between
the sisters that takes the center stage.
They laugh, fight, theydid all this on set.
This is really behind the scenesand on set, it all came across.
And now it's a true sisterhood.

(22:47):
Yes.
Hollywood has always tried to do thesedifferent things with what witchcraft
and witches are and I think this onesays it a little bit different than
what some of these other movies have.
What do you,
hmm.
I gotta, what do yougot to say about that?
Uh, throwback to my awesomeinterview with Robin Lively.

(23:08):
Go check that out if you haven't.
Episode three, Robin Lively.
You mentioned the house.
We gotta talk about the house.
you know, I, okay, so this is kindof, um, like a great connection
to the movie Frozen, right?
here we have like, Disney'stypical princess curse, whatever,

(23:31):
true love will break the curse.
What the movie Frozen did, and I thinkI can dare say this movie Practical
Magic did before Frozen, was itshowed that it wasn't the love of a
man, it wasn't a masculine figure orthe romantic love that was going to
break this curse, it was sisterhood.
It was acceptance of, ofthem into their society.

(23:53):
Like, my favorite, okay, my favoriteOne of my favorite parts of this movie.
I have a lot of favorite parts.
When she activates the phone tree andgets all the women who have been scared
of them their whole lives and callingthem witches and are like, I don't

(24:13):
know, men die in the Owens family.
I don't know how, butthere's definitely a curse.
And they're kind of scared.
They're the ones throwing rocksat them when they're kids and
calling them witch, witch, bitch.
And here's Sally and she'sactivating the phone tree.
Which is like the PTA.
It's like the moms of the town.
And she's like, Hey, so guess what?

(24:36):
I am a witch.
My sister's possessed.
Um, we're really going to need Some help.
Can you bring a broom and come over?
And they do.
They show up with brooms, these womenwho don't know anything and are honestly
scared of what they didn't know.
And um, even the one that was kind of the,the ringleader of the mommy moms, whatever

(24:59):
you want to call them, um, queen bee.
she's like, like, well,thank you for coming.
And she's like, Oh, um, well,you know, I've always wanted to
see the inside of your house.
She's secretly, theywanted to be a part of it.
They didn't want to, you know, they werejust afraid of what they didn't know.
And when they broke the barriersof that and created a sisterhood

(25:22):
among the women of the, of the town,that's when the curse actually broke.
know, not from Finding Love.
It wasn't really, you know, Sallyand even her relationship with this
sheriff guy, which was all greatand everything, but it was that,
it was like that sisterhood, right?
Incredible.

(25:46):
Yeah.
Let's talk about the house.
Like, it's a dreamy Victorianhouse that we all wish we'd
lived in this house, right?
Like,
The house is a character itself,
is.
It really is.
Yeah.
this thing out somewhere in Washington.
Uh, Washington State.
Um,

(26:08):
It's just a shell of a house fromthe outside scenes that they filmed.
And then they did the insidescenes on the soundstage.
Yeah.
Um, but Barbara Streisand actually,um, tried to buy the house, she
offered to purchase it and theywere like, um, you know, Babs.
Not real.

(26:30):
That's a true testamentto what the house is.
It really, that's a true testament to it.
If she tried to buy it, causeshe thought it was real.
That's awesome to me.
Um,
mean if I was.
If I had money like Barbara Streisand,I would be offering to buy it too.
But there was rumor aboutthem releasing blueprints for
the house a couple years ago.
I remember everybody was really excitedabout it because, it became available.

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Like, someone had actually constructedblueprints for house and, um, you
could buy that and build it, I guess.
real,
it'd be amazing.
But the aesthetic of this movie, theset, is such a um, icon that you see like
videos of people all over the internetthat are like decorating their house

(27:14):
in practical magic aesthetic, right?
Like black stairs and
real.
painted walls and the types offrames around their pictures,
all that kind of stuff.
And Nate, I'm going tothrow this out there.
Maybe it happens subliminallycause I just painted my wall
black yesterday for some reason.
Is that, that I could hit?

(27:35):
this movie.
You were like, I just feel this
I did.
need it in my house.
Me and Lindsey, we paintedthe wall black yesterday.
Don't know why, just did it.
Yeah, dark walls are reallyin right now, design wise.
It's
I'm,
ahead of their time.
I'm a little spooked out.
I think Sandra Bullock got me.
She gets me too!

(27:55):
I love her.
And let's talk about Jimmy.
Yeah.
This guy's a piece of shit, right?
Like he's
mm hmm.
just a, just a, just trash.
Just,
that's about, that's about thebest word you could say for him.
But
Yeah.
Nobody's like, um, watching this movieand calling the Owen sisters the villains

(28:18):
yeah,
for killing this guy.
no,
And she even said, she's like, oh,you're going to arrest me because there's
one less Jimmy Angelo in the world?
Like,
right now, this guy is Goran Visnjic,
sorry if I pronounced that wrong,but he's also been out in like, uh,

(28:39):
Hellraiser and stuff like that, I believe.
He, uh, is a producer and, and everythingelse, but he, but he got into this
role and I think he played it right.
Like, the fact that I'm sitting heresaying this guy, he's a piece of shit,
played the role, he played it incredible.
Yeah.
Like, that's all you can say for this guy.
So,
Yes.

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Um, the music, uh, plays a partin many scenes in this movie, but
the you were always on my mind
oh man,
then it comes back later when they'redrunk on tequila and they're singing.
what a soundtrack.
Oh yeah,
I'm gonna get into that too becausethis soundtrack really to me when
I was watching the movie backIt's it's a it's like a a great

(29:23):
time capsule that you open up
yeah,
and get to hear these songs likeyou've got The song you just mentioned.
What was that one?
you were always on my mind.
on my mind by
course, the iconic.
kiss from the scene where they, putthe spell on Sally for, for her to

(29:44):
meet her husband and, um, Michael.
And I mean, everybody knows that scene.
Everybody loves that scene.
This kiss and she's running down and theylike barely know each other, but she runs
down the street and leaps into his arms.
Oh my gosh.
A Faith Hill banger.
This kid.
I don't even really listento country music, but I know
every word of that damn song.

(30:04):
Like, really.
too.
You even had some Marvin Gaye on there.
You had, who else was on this soundtrack?
Uh, George Jones?
Tammy Wynette?
Some more country music.
Joni Mitchell was on there.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
There's so many names on here thatare, Stevie Nicks, Sheryl Crow,
We asked you next.

(30:25):
Yes.
Stevie Nicks and Sheryl Crow,they produced and performed two
different songs on this soundtrack.
It's wild.
Stevie
You can't, I mean, please.
Yeah,
with Coven.
I believe she was in one of the, it wasthe second, the second time Coven came

(30:48):
back around with American Horror Story.
I watched that, I loved it.
I loved Stevie Nicks in a witch role.
We should see more of that.
We should get, we should see ifwe can get Stevie Nicks out there.
A gig.
Maybe I'll have to get a, uh,a, uh, agent fee if I can get
her another witch gig out there.
Hit us up Stevie.
Hit us up if you need some work.

(31:11):
I, I, I'm to bet she's not suffering, but,
Yeah, I don't think so.
Hmm.
I know this is kind of like,uh, taking a little tangent.
Okay.
So the kiss song, it comes on,I have to talk about the ants.
Alright, so when I first watchedthis movie, I was a kid, right?

(31:32):
I was, was a teenager when thiscame out, and a young teenager,
if you don't mind me saying.
I was a young teenager when thiscame out, and of course I wanted to
be Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman.
I wanted to be them.
you know, the young, hip, I don'tknow, just awesome that they were.

(31:53):
Now that I'm a little bitolder, a little bit, little bit.
Not much, but a little bit older.
I identify with the ants so much morenow, and now it would be like my dream
to live as one of the ants in a big oldVictorian house with my sisters, uh,
and nieces, or whatever, and spinningwool, and doing love spells, and cooking,

(32:16):
and have a greenhouse, and whatever itis they do with their time, having tea
parties on the lawn with your kitty cats.
It sounds amazing.
I'm in.
I, yeah.
amazing, but by Diane West, right?
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
um, who is it?

(32:37):
Oh, Stalker Gianni, um,the, the, um, Franny, right?
They are
but Diane West particularly has someof the best lines in this whole movie.
So when the kiss song starts upand she turns to the camera, the
camera behind her and she turns herhead and she just says excellent.

(33:03):
That is one of my favorite lines.
I love it.
I quote it all the time.
You would not believe how many timesthat, that comes up in my life.
And the other, my favorite lineof hers is when they're leaving
the, um, leaving to go get Jilly.
She's in trouble.
So she's leaving and she's like,you're going to have to take the
girls, her daughters with themto the solstice celebration.

(33:25):
like, don't let them dancenaked under the full moon.
And my favorite line that Jett says is.
Oh, you know that nudity isoptional, as you well remember.
That is my favorite line.
I use it all the time.
I loved it too.
It stood out to me.
I laughed at that one.
I thought it was great.

(33:46):
Uh,
So when people say, Oh, youknow, you're going to go dancing
under, naked under the full moon.
I'm like, well, nudity is alwaysoptional as you well remember.
as you well remember.
Yep.
If I grow up to be the ants,will be pleased as punch.
That would be my dream.

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You think that changed with age?
As you got wiser,
Yeah, maybe.
And maybe like, you know, when you'reyounger, especially, you know, women,
we're taught that like our, our romanticconnection, like finding your prince
or your knight or your, you know, yourperson is, is what it's all about.
I think you reach a certain agewhere you go, yeah, having love in my

(34:27):
life is, is but it's not everything.
Right?
Like there is a whole me, independent.
Of who I am as a wife or as a motheror a girlfriend or whatever it is,
it's like, there's a whole me there.
And I think what the ants represent isthat coming into their age and their

(34:49):
wisdom as like wholly themselves.
these women are not participatingin any social norms like they're
just like, I wear what I want.
I do what I want.
I drink at midnight.
Right.
That becomes kind of apriority after a while.
You start to be like, actually,my happiness depends on me, not my

(35:12):
connections to someone else, right?
But that's like, that's a good, justmetaphor to pull out of that for life.
In general, it really is.
What's your final thoughts on this?
You got final thoughts on this?
Um, a couple of witchy things.
people are interested.
So, uh, they're, they're doing thespell that brings Jimmy back to life.

(35:34):
Resurrection.
And yes, that's, you know, bringsthem back as something dark so ants
were warning, like, don't do that.
They realized it was a big mistake,but I do want to point out, they
do say Hecate make it right.
mentioned Hecate.
So Hecate is a goddess of witchcraft.
Okay.
And, um, so she's well known in kindof mythology as the, the witch goddess.

(36:02):
is associated with theforest, the forest animals.
She's one that never has a partnerand does not have children.
So she's not necessarily a motherfigure, unless you count the fact that
she mothers all animals of the forest.
And she's kind of amidwife of the goddesses.
So she's there during childbirth.

(36:24):
associated with childbirth in that way.
And she guards the portalto the other world.
when they're like, you know, and InvokingHecate or, um, they're basically kind
of like invoking that portal to openhis soul back from the underworld or
from the other world to come back.

(36:45):
So this is something cool.
Connects you with the folkloreof what that, where that came
from, why they talk about that.
I love that.
It's like, it's almost like alittle Easter egg there because they
don't give you any of that info.
And I was going to ask you, Iwas going to ask you about that
name that they were saying.
And I wondered when I heard it.
If it was real or if it was somethingthey just added to the script.

(37:06):
So that's, I think that's a great insight.
Hectate?
What's it?
What's the name?
Hecate.
She's, um, her symbol isoften represented as keys.
Like, uh, those old, you know,
I would like to.
keys that you see that are like, yeah.
So when people wear those astalismans or as symbols, they're

(37:29):
often connecting it with Hekate.
And, um, and then they're,you know, moving their hands
over his body like this.
Yeah.
That's very much like aReiki type of healing.
For those who practice Reiki andenergy work, there's a lot of that.
That's what that looks like.
Ah,
was ever curious what it might looklike to go into a Reiki session,

(37:52):
that's
that's what they're doing.
just watch the scene.
Watch that one.
You know, and hopefully you'renot dead while it's happening.
Yeah.
Right.
yeah.
Anyway, some cool little things there.
And then they did talk about when she'smaking the potion for the pancake syrup.
banishing spell to get rid of the sheriff.
Julie's talking about the Eye of Newt.

(38:13):
You often hear about Eye ofNewt in a, you know, witch's
spell or a cauldron or whatever.
And it's actually just really fun.
So of recipes and grimoiresfrom actual witches, which
I actually did just see one.
Um, it was like a 400 year oldactual witch's grimoire I got

(38:35):
to see at a rare book event.
yeah, handwritten.
and it had a curse.
Lined into it, so we were not allowed totake pictures of it because it was cursed.
So, didn't want that.
um, it actually said on thegrimoire, uh, Book of Recipes.
And they were witches spells.

(38:56):
Um, but when they say Eye of Newt,they're talking about mustard seed.
So, just a little fun fact for ya.
Let me jump in here.
How often do you make a spellor a potion or whatever?
I have not dabbled inmaking my own spells.
Although I would really like to.
Most of the time I'm just researchingwhat other people have done and

(39:16):
trying to figure out like, oh.
The thing to remember about makingspells or anything like that is, there
are certain things that have beenhanded down generation to generation
for however many hundreds of years.
And you have to remember that.
I believe in some part that thiswouldn't have been widely known
or handed down for no reason,

(39:37):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like people to say, Eye of Newt, oryou need a green candle for this spell.
There is something to be said aboutusing what's in the spell because Someone
has tried it, tested it, and it musthave been proven somewhat effective.
Yeah.
And then on the other side of that, makingyour own spells is a lot like Sally,

(39:58):
the young Sally, which is just, as longas you're infusing your intention into
the spell, that's what matters most.
So it can be whatever you've gotlying around the house, whatever
you've got in your yard, whateveryou happen to forage on your next
hike, can use that in a spell.
All right.
Good to know.
So you don't have to go get the eye ofnew and frog's tongue and monkey blood.

(40:21):
you know, isn't even probablywhat it sounds like it was.
don't know.
Frog's tongue might be a plantthat looks like a frog's tongue.
And so they call it that, you know.
I see.
I see.
As scary as you might think.
So tell me more.
You got, you had a couple morethings there on practical magic.
Oh my goodness.
So much.

(40:42):
This movie is amazing.
And I just, uh, I love Okay, soI wanted to point out the ants.
You see them in several scenes, right?
They're spinning and they havecabinets in their home full
of wool and things like that.
And I wanted to point out thata lot of people of witchcraft, a

(41:03):
lot of women accused of witchcraftin history, were crafts women.
Huh?
were artists, they were, you know,um, they had a skill of some kind.
Like these women are.
And, um, spinning wool or doing anykind of spinning work where there's
like the spinning wheel, uh, is a greatway to get into a trance and to do

(41:27):
or kind of like scrying in a mirror.
You know how when you look atwater and the sun is just spinning?
kind of sparkling on the water andit just creates this kind of effect.
Staring into that for a few minutesuntil your eyes kind of gloss over,
that's what scrying feels like.
That's what people are doing.
They're like using that to tapinto a different sense so they

(41:50):
can channel messages of whateverit is that they're trying to get.
Interesting.
These ants are spinning wool.
They're probably makingmoney off of their wool.
That's probably like how they make aliving, but they also can do witchcraft
while doing their, their work.
So
Wow.
Okay.
just going to point that out.
I like that.
That's a, yeah,

(42:12):
and that's, that's thebest of what I have.
that's the best of what you have.
All right.
Well, I'll tell you, I loved it.
I haven't seen this movie in a while.
Um, let me think here.
It was, it was fun towatch the bad guy pay.
Uh, the Margaritas scene.

(42:33):
Iconic.
Actually, that's all I gotta say.
That's all I gotta say.
I mean, it is,
favorite.
I mean, practic, it, you got, you do haveto remember that practical magic is not
just about the casting of the spells, butit's casting out things that hold us back.
Uh, and embracing the magic withinour own lives, I think is what

(42:54):
Yes,
boils down to.
And that's what I saw.
That's what I saw.
This movie holds up.
It's gonna hold up forever like this.
This is one of those that's.
think so.
Yeah, I think it'llcontinue to be a favorite.
And, um, and personally, you know,even though I love the horror movie
genre, I do, I have props respect.
I, I had to put this movie intoour lineup because, um, for me

(43:17):
personally, it feels like a muchmore accurate depiction of what
witchcraft feels like, at least for me.
That's what we're going for.
That's something to be afraid of.
And the town eventually realizesthat they don't have to be afraid
of the Owen sisters, that actuallyhaving them around is pretty helpful.
Let's get to our next movie.
Yes.

(43:37):
And you hadn't seenthis one before, right?
I might've seen like pieces of it,but just never knew that it came from
this movie, like it might've been.
Long story short, no, Ihave not seen this movie.
And I love that.
I love that you hadn't seenit because just makes me so
excited to be like, here it is!

(43:59):
Watch this great movie!
Oh, for everybody elseout there, buckle up.
We're about to dive in to the1987 supernatural horror slash
comedy, The Witches of Eastwick.
And George Miller directed it.
I mean, it's based on a book too.
John Updike wrote a book on this.

(44:21):
So you already got somebig names involved.
Yes.
Off the top, I didn't realize thatthe rest of this cast, what is
there, like five Oscar winners?
Or at least
Yeah,
nominated Jack Nicholson, Cher,Susan Sarandon, Michelle Pfeiffer.
Like everybody in thismovie is incredible.
right?

(44:42):
I mean, I was a little bit sadthat we didn't get, we didn't, um,
maneuver our way to get to talk toSusan Sarandon when she was at FanX,
but, um, we did get to talk to a redheaded witch, so I'm good with it.
Yeah.
Right.
happy.
But, some names that were considered forthis movie, um, like, even in the lineup
it already has was Jane Fonda, MerylStreep, Angelica Huston, Goldie Hawn.

(45:06):
So, I mean, could you imagine?
Oh, it's wild.
It's wild.
The people that were involved inthis and, and honestly watching the
movie, like you, you're watching it.
You're like, Oh yeah.
Uh, Cher that, that couldn'thave been cast any better.
Oh yeah.
Michelle Pfeiffer.
Oh, that couldn't havebeen cast any better.
Like there's nobody better.
They played the roles perfectly.

(45:28):
Uh, I do know that whenthey were originally cast.
I think Cher and Michelle Pfeifferhad the roles swapped maybe?
Yeah,
Yeah,
I'd
yeah.
that and and I think it was sharethat said, No, I want to play Alex I
think we should switch because Yeah,it ended up working out for the best.
And I, I mean, I'm sad tosay there was some contention

(45:49):
about Cher being a part of it.
Apparently the director was gettinga lot of like, uh, pressure from
producers when making this movie.
And so there was all kinds of,you know, uh, contention and
he was like, I don't want Cher.
And, uh, You have to love Cherand the story that they tell
because, I mean, she's like,listen, I've won Academy Awards.

(46:13):
You can it or leave it, but I'm,I'm in this movie, you know,
just like totally playing the,I know my worth And I love that.
Yeah, she does that and doesit, does it, uh, does it well.
And then I've also heard that on setif she wasn't, if she didn't have

(46:34):
speaking lines, she has to be released.
Like she wanted to be out of it.
She denies that, but.
So Nicole Kidman and Cher, maybea little bit of divas on these, on
the set of these movies will forgivethem because their performance
Exactly, exactly.
So.
in the end.
So.
I heard also on this that Cher andMichelle, uh, Michelle Pfeiffer,

(46:58):
they weren't, they didn't get along.
I believe the two of thosedidn't get along at first.
And it was because of that weird casting.
And after they finally sat down andtalked to, talked to each other,
they found out it wasn't them.
It was a producer thathad kind of messed up.
Yeah.

(47:18):
Lots of problems.
Lots of problems, uh,according to the internet.
Yeah.
well, I appreciate that through allthe trial and obstacles they must
have had to fight to make this movieand to get it done, that they did.
And that it was madeand we get to enjoy it.
In fact, just about everybody Italk to when I tell them about the

(47:39):
Witch Movie Project, they're like,are you doing Witches of Eastwick?
And I'm like, of course!
So it must be a favorite.
It did really well when it came out, so.
Let's break down the plot.
Let's do it.
Three single ladies in Eastwick.
Alex, Jane, Suki.
Mm-Hmm?

(48:01):
They're feeling pretty downabout their love lives.
Here we go again withthe love and the witches.
Until they basically, they do, don'tbasically, they conjure up a guy named
Daryl Van Horn, played by Jack Nicholson.
Now,
sleaze, that's the only wordI, that's, that's the top,

(48:22):
my gosh.
Yeah.
but he waltzes into town, takesover this mansion and seduces
them.
all of them, not just one of them,all of them in different ways.
Uh,
Oh,
it takes a dark turn because theyfigured out what, who Daryl really is.
And gotta take mattersinto their own hands.

(48:42):
That's pretty much the plot of this movie.
Yeah, yeah, which is interestingbecause we watched, um, The Witch,
or Vitch, on another episode.
If you haven't listened, go back andlisten to that one, which kind of takes
the idea of witches, uh, the, the fearthat people had about witches was that
they were the devil's book, you know,there was the same kind of plot lines

(49:05):
happening in all the witch trials,which were like, you sign the devil's
book, you, you know, you're one of his,um, cubbin, you, you know, of that.
It made it into a horror movie.
Like, what if this was real?
What would this look like?
And it's almost like this movietook it into a modern age, the same
idea of like, These three women arecaught up in the witches, in the

(49:30):
devil's lair, and you know, theygot seduced by the devil, right?
I wonder if We've talked aboutThree Witches and the Devil, um,
uh, Val Pergishnot over in Germany.
I wonder if there's any, you know,resemblance, semblance, whatever,

(49:52):
symbolism here that matches tothat in this story about Eastwick?
Do you see any common denominatorthere other than the Three Witches?
Like, that's all I can go on.
Um,
well, yeah, it's interesting that TheVow of Pergusnacht is, is this, um,
celebration, like, that originated withgetting rid of witches, then has been

(50:17):
transferred into something where the pagancommunity, like, celebrates that time.
And the plot of this movie kind of, don'tknow, kind of coming full circle, almost.
These women finding their powerstogether, you know, through this devil
character and then being, and thenflipping the whole script into being

(50:41):
released and independent from thedevil, coming into their own, right?
hmm.
Interesting.
Anyway, yeah,
in this movie couldn't have been playedby anybody else other than Jack Nicklaus.
Like, that's
I'll be honest.
Okay, so when I was a kid, I used to watchthis movie when it was like on TV, right?

(51:02):
So it was usually the censored version.
I did not a hundred percentunderstand as a kid what was going on.
I do remember thinking to myself,guy's not really attractive physically.
now as an adult, I'm like, well, hehas a certain suaveness about him.
I can kind of see the, youknow, the voice and all of that.

(51:24):
But as a kid, I was like, whatthese women see in this guy.
And then remember being really confusedabout who is this guy's girlfriend.
Hmm,
I remember asking myself, like,wait, so all three of them are his
girlfriend, but they all don't seemto mind that they're all sharing him?

(51:46):
so confused as a kid.
it's so interesting how my, like,little kid brain and then bringing it
into my adult self being like, yeah.
1987. Once again, I have tobring up the time period, but
polyamory was not very, still
Wasn't a thing.
not very favored.

(52:07):
Now if you talk to general consensus,but it's probably a whole lot
more open to now than it was then.
So you being confused on that,you probably weren't the only one.
, you know, even as a kid,you weren't the only one.
That's the
like, but they're all okaywith it for some reason.
was, yeah,

(52:27):
weird part.
it was eye opening.
I think it was good for me.
It was good for me to keep an open mindas a, as a, you know, kid growing up.
I was like, oh, okay.
To each their own, I suppose.
Like, I mean, what elseare you going to do?
Yeah.
So, oh,
the way that my kid self thoughtabout Jack Nicholson and, and yeah,
perfect, perfect for this role as, youknow, which is essentially the devil.

(52:51):
I mean, I don't think they're tryingto hide the fact that he's supposed
to play the devil or a devil.
He even says in like one ofthe opening scenes, he's like,
I'm just a horny little devil.
And, um,
the seduction scene.
I think it's when he's laying on the bed.
And oh, what a great scene that is.
so good.
I have seen clips and recordings of Cher'sspeech in that scene, and it is still one

(53:14):
of my favorite movie speeches of all time.
The one where she goes off on him.
You're repulsive.
You're, you know, she just lays into
Oh yeah.
how unattractive and how sleazy heis, which I love because I was like,
I'm thinking all the same things.
I'm like, there's no way thatI would have anything to do

(53:36):
with this man, if it was me.
And yet somehow he is so charmingand he gives his speech about
how you do the dishes, thedishes will just be dirty again.
If you clean up, they'lljust be dirty again.
If you make the beds, they'lljust be slept in again.
You know, he just gives aspeech where it's like, all that

(53:56):
stuff you do doesn't matter.
You might as well just do whatyou want and what you need to do.
Let's talk about that speech.
That speech about women.
That's the one you're talking about.
I think
Yeah,
to me that he, he hit peak Nicholson here.
It's, it's the kind of monologuereally, it'll make it like literally
it made me say, did he just say that?
Like.

(54:16):
That's what it was,
I know.
and
I think he's seducing her with words.
he is, in all of his sleazy glory, he is.
Literally, like, he delivers amonologue, it's both Here's the thing
with this one, it's both infuriatingand fascinating at the same time.
Goes on about how men are scaredof powerful women, how they

(54:37):
call them witches, and burn themat the stake because you can't
handle your own insecurities.
Still going on today,by the way, that's still
sure.
We're doing different ways of burningwitches today, but it's this speech.
It's a wild ride.
It makes you basically want to like,I wanted to throw something at my
screen, but I wanted to applaud.
I wanted to clap at the same time.
I know.
And he says, marriage, goodfor the man, kills the woman.

(55:01):
It does.
He does.
It's, and it's so over the top, but heis literally in this moment, I think
he's channeling every devil character heever plays previous to this and, and, and
after this, because it's all right here.
Like to me, like I said, peak,peak, Nicholson in the monologue.

(55:21):
Like it's,
Fantastic.
it is, it's a great speech, but atthe same time it's up , you know?
I know.
I know.
And, and yeah, I mean, the reasonit's so enticing and, I mean, you
can see Cher's character, Alex, andshe's just, she's not really reacting.

(55:43):
Yeah.
leaned back and she's just listeningand she's like, Who are you?
Because it's, it's, it's like allthese things he's saying, not wrong,
He's mansplaining.
He's
he's mansplaining a woman's,um, experience, right?
mansplaining to women,how the world works.

(56:05):
and simultaneously tryingto get in their pants.
The what?
Like, that's what it is.
Which I have to point out is verycontradictory to then when they decide
they need to, and by the way, they verygently Just propose that maybe they all
take a break from hanging out with eachother when things get a little crazy.

(56:26):
and we'll talk about like that, but when,when the, when the three women gently
suggest, you know, we should take abreak from hanging out with each other.
Obviously, we have a lot of powertogether when we're together,
things are getting a little crazy.
Let's just take a break.
Let's all, you know, not seeeach other for a little while.
Um, reasonable.
Perfectly reasonable.

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And yet, this is when Daryl Van Horn takesthis tantrum, and he's like, literally,
when Alex comes to see him and talk tohim, he is literally throwing a tantrum.
He's ironing, and he's like, I'mironing because nobody else will do it!
And then he's like, what do all men want?
And he's stomping hisfeet all over the floor.

(57:09):
And he's like, I just want a littlea little a little appreciation.
And I'm like, is this like opposite ofhis speech from the beginning, which is
that women need to be appreciated andthat women, you know, you're holding
up the world and blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, so now he's just actinglike every other man that these.

(57:32):
Women have probably experienced in theirlifetime, which is like, wait, what?
And on that, I think it's,the movie itself is just a
critique on those attitudes.
Like, it's, they wanted him to goover the top like that, I think.
And it comes back around to himin a satisfying way, basically.

(57:55):
And then you find out, you know, thereal stars of the movie are Cher, Serena,
Pfeiffer, the witches, And you findout that they are powerful women and
they are not to be messed with though.
Right.
I
So.
have a theory about this.
You tell me what you think.
Okay.
I think because in the beginningthey conjure him, right?

(58:16):
They say, I want a dark,um, prince on a dark horse.
I want to
They even say not too attractive.
They even lay on them.
do attractive,
They, if you, if you
all right, maybe
read that back, they literallydescribe Jack Nicholson.
I thought that was great.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
So they conjure him up.

(58:38):
And then he wants the three of them at hishouse hanging out and doing their magic.
He's fascinated by them.
He's noticing what they'vegot going on, right?
What if he himself is not that powerful?
What if he needed them?

(58:58):
And that's why he showed up and he waslike wanting them to be in his vicinity
and his, his besties because he, heprobably didn't have enough power or
whatever it was that he possessed.
He needed them
They did conjure him up.
Yeah.
He came.

(59:18):
Makes me wonder because he gotso upset when they were like, we
need to chill, like, we need toall separate because it's just a
little too much for what's going on.
People are getting hurt.
We don't want people to get hurt.
That wasn't our intention.
Yeah.
And I feel like he probably couldn'thave done any of the magic or any
of the power that he possessed.
He couldn't have done it on his own.
He needed them.

(59:39):
That's a different take.
theory.
That's a different take.
Now, now we got to go outthere and watch it again.
We're gonna, hey, watch the movieagain and keep that idea in mind.
That theory.
I like that.
Now you got me thinking, see?
Now I'm like, hmm.
Because we've kind of seen thatin some of the other movies.
We've seen that in a couple of othermovies that we've talked about,

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where basically somebody was suckingthe power off the other ones, and
that's how they became who they were.
yeah.
Why else do witches need covens?
They need more than, I mean,let's just look at, um, Disney's
Agatha All Along series thatthey've got going on right now.
She needed, she needed to get a coventogether to be able to perform as much

(01:00:21):
magic as she needed to do the road.
Anyway, so you need more than one.
You need, meet a few of you together.
the movie starts out with thesewomen talking about, How they're
really, um, sick of this one guythey work with, what was his name?
Walter, who's like, um, asexual predator um, icky.

(01:00:44):
And, you know, they're talking about like,he hit on me right in front of his wife.
His wife was sitting right there.
Um, each of them has a story about Walter.
They're like, he tried to hit on me too.
He tried to do this to me.
He tried to do that.
You know, he grabbed me, whatever.
And, you know, they're basicallytalking about how they're
just kind of sick of that.
Like, Like what, you know,what does he think I am?

(01:01:06):
So they were the ones that causedthe rainstorm at the very beginning.
And they're like, wait, justby thinking about it, all three
of us thought the same thing.
And then we caused the rainstormto start on his speech.
Right.
Yeah.
they realized they're powerfulright from the very beginning.
But I don't think they realize, Thegravity that they could, you know, of
what they could do until later, though.

(01:01:29):
Yeah.
Yeah.
The scene with, uh, with Felicia,
Yes.
Let's get in, let's talk aboutFelicia and Clyde because holy shit.
Like that's, they're not evenlike a, like this is in a movie.
This is like your, your B plot.
This is just a side plot orsomething, but they are just as
good as anybody else in the movie.

(01:01:50):
They're front and center to me.
Uh, you got the, you got theinfamous, Cherry vomiting.
pit scene.
got
Which was
caught.
down, by the way.
Did you
I did.
see that?
If you watch that scene close, youcan tell it's cut down because there's
a one, there's one shot and youcan see like the entire wall cover.

(01:02:14):
Like, you can see way more vomiton the walls that didn't get shown.
So you're like, wait, what happened?
And then yes, I did know thatthat was a way longer scene.
They had a robot or somethingthat was supposed to do this and
spent a bunch of money on it.
And that's all it got.
That's all it was used for.
So, um, it

(01:02:34):
watching the movie with me.
He's like, I have toleave during this scene.
I can't watch this.
pretty rough.
didn't bother me that much.
I don't know why it didn't,you know what though?
You know, what was weirdwas I was eating a Yoplait.
And it was cherry at the same
way!
So I had the taste in mymouth and I was like, huh.

(01:02:55):
But I didn't ever get,I didn't feel sick, so.
It was all right.
Well, I mean, right from the verystart after she has her fall down
the stairs when Daryl first comesinto town and it's all, you know,
something's really weird about all this.
Everyone's forgetting his name.
They can't remember what his name was.
And then they all remember this at once.
And, and she has her accidentfalls down the stairs.

(01:03:17):
And she's never the same again.
She was already kind of a,maybe a religious fanatic.
Um, you can kind of see hintsof that in the beginning, but
she was very much like, sane.
Do you think that's why?
Do you think that's why he affected her?
Is she a conduit?
Was she like the complete oppositeand she was like the good?
And it was like, alright,I'm gonna get in.

(01:03:38):
She's definitely an oracle of some
There you go.
Yeah,
like, once she kind of, um, Yeah, onceshe kind of, uh, loses it, her sanity
a bit, she's talking about in terms oflike, something's not right about him,
and those women are getting caught up inhim, and there's debauchery happening at

(01:04:00):
that house, and she's kind of like, shereminds me in Bewitched, the neighbor
that's always like peeking over the,you know, she's looking, she knows
something else is going on, She doesn'tknow what it is, but she's saying some
pretty specific things that are accurate.
And she's even saying those poorwomen, like she knows that they're
not, they don't know that they'rewrapped up in this and that they

(01:04:21):
are in danger, they're in trouble.
And then she even predicts thatthey're going to have his sons, that
he's going to want to procreate.
And all this.
Right before her untimely death, but,um, yeah, she's kind of like an oracle.
And like, if you look back in ancienthistory, there's a lot of, um,

(01:04:42):
hints at oracles and seers and, inNordic tradition, there's the vulva.
They are women, uh, who are, youknow, they have a gift of being
able to see or prophesy things.
Um, but they, um, They have fits likethey're not, there's some indication

(01:05:03):
that they don't appear sane whenthey are having their oracle moment
when they're like, you know, speakingand prophesying so that's what
this reminded me of is she's like,unwell, she's kind of screaming.
And it's scary, and her husband is like.
Oh
do.
He's drinking again.

(01:05:23):
Clyde's drinking again.
So he's got that going on.
He doesn't know how to act.
You got her saying all these things.
She says she went before shestarts puking up the cherry pits.
She says he's trying to get inside of meand she starts doing the squats and you
can that's real though because he is.

(01:05:44):
Daryl is trying to get inside of her,in her mind, in her whatever, and
Like a possession.
he keeps feeding the girls cherries.
He's like, eat another cherry.
He knows what's happening.
He knows what's going on.
Um, I found that very, I don'tknow, it was It was a moment in
the movie where you're like, Oh,there is a lot of power going on.

(01:06:04):
Like, cause up until then, she'sjust kind of, yeah, she fell.
She could have fallen on her own.
Uh, she, you know, someother stuff happened.
She didn't eat any cherries.
You know,
And she's just throwing up cherry pits.
Oh man.
Yeah.
they said that, that, uh, robot was areal, real scene stiller on the set,

(01:06:25):
know.
It was very, like, I have to say forthe time period that this was filmed and
everything else, it was very realistic.
And I remember, um, yeah, like a physicalreaction watching it when I was a kid.
I remember thinking, Oh, this is horrible.
Like.
I think I have a really visceralfear of throwing up anyway.
Like, I'm the kind of person who, when Ido get sick, I pretty much hold back from

(01:06:47):
throwing up for as long as I possibly can.
maybe there's something to that.
My own reaction to it is like, no!
right?
Let's talk about the town they're in.
Yeah,
Eastwick.
pretty stereotypical, like,New England type of feel.
Much like in Practical Magic,

(01:07:08):
Yeah.
They were gonna film this thing in, inLittle Compton, Rhode Island is where
they originally had planned, but thenI think they found out that Wow, their
movie, their, their town and theirchurch was going to be used for witches,
like a witch movie and they said nah.
So imagine the uproarwhen they found that out.

(01:07:30):
I mean, honestly, it's like invitingDracula to a garlic festival.
Like, that's what that would be.
That's what it would be.
So what happened?
They moved to Cohasset, Massachusetts.
yes.
Were the locals there, they were waymore chill and they actually ended up
being extras and on set extras in themovie and then behind the scenes too.

(01:07:52):
So, I mean, who wouldn't want tohave all that fake vomit on there?
I wonder who volunteered to dothat for him or clean it up?
Uh, it
Yeah, because it's not just Felicia,it was, uh, Daryl at the end.
does.
the same trick on him.
Yeah, but
why, but I have, uh, flashes of,um, Danny DeVito in that scene.

(01:08:16):
Everything
there
DeVito is in, he just, like, gross, right?
Like, Really disgusting scenes he wasPenguin and Batman and he was like eating
a fish or like every scene he's doneand um, always sunny in Philadelphia.
you go.
Oh,
like a little bit like droolcoming down his face or something
and um, Jack Nicholson in thatscene just reminded me of that.
I

(01:08:36):
that's funny.
Did you, speaking of Batman, Notlong after this movie, Jack Nicholson
comes into the role of the Joker.
There's a little, there's a littleEaster egg in this movie though.
There's a, there's a shot ofa joker behind Jack Nicholson
in one of the scenes.
Yeah, yeah.
Go back and look for that.
that.
I did.
And, and Batman would've comeout about a year after this.

(01:08:59):
I guess well give or take year or two.
Uh, for the original.
So I did notice that little Easter egg.
Maybe that's just me.
And then you've got the connectionwith Michelle Pfeiffer being Catwoman.
Same movie, wasn't it?
Every Catwoman, um, she was in
Second one.
one.
Yeah, he was in
That's right.
So, every Catwoman that's ever playedCatwoman since Michelle Pfeiffer has

(01:09:22):
to live up to her, in my opinion.
Oh, Halle
like Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman.
Her,
Berry.
Halle Berry.
and then her look at thecamera and saying meow.
I, I, I'll never live that down.
That's my favorite.
Halle Berry's up there for me.
Halle Berry and Michelle.
Yeah, that's the two, that'syour two queens of, yeah,

(01:09:42):
digress.
Again, just my, uh, girl crushes.
right?
What else you got?
What else you want tosay about this movie?
I got a lot I could say, but webetter not go too long because
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh, both of these moviestogether, there's just so much.
And, um, uh, so I
these two, I will saythese two movies to me.

(01:10:02):
I'm glad they got added toour project because they are
quintessential movies for witch movies.
Like, these two, everythingelse is after this.
Like, really, like, go ahead.
I didn't mean to cut you off there.
oh, you're okay.
Yeah.
I, well, I was going to likewrap up kind of the theme here
in the way that I feel about,

(01:10:27):
um, kind of the theme of thismovie for the three women.
It's like liberation, right?
I mean, Daryl Van Horm, so he sortof seduces them with the idea of
let go of your inhibitions, right?
I mean, you see that, especially in thescene with Jane and the, um, the cello.
Yeah.
Extremely uptight, extremely reserved.

(01:10:51):
a nervous wreck.
You just see how very,um, timid she is and,
Tight.
and tight.
Yeah, and honestly, a reflectionof women in general, and how we're
raised from little girls to bethe right kind of woman, right?
We're raised to be like, iswhat men want as their wives.

(01:11:13):
This is what a wellbehaved woman looks like.
This is what a goodChristian woman looks like.
You know, all of the ways that we'rebrought up to live inside of certain
boundaries that are acceptable.
Which are, if anyone watched theBarbie movie, you can say impossible
standards to live up to, right?
And you see that in this scene with Jane.

(01:11:33):
So she's playing the cello and he'sthe one that kind of her from that.
What a scene.
her sexual energy and, you know,liberating her from, from her tightness
into, like, with passion, be yourself.
Of course, the reaction from the town,again, is pretty, um, stereotypical,

(01:11:54):
is that they're all calling her a slut.
Yeah.
The point when she's at the grocerystore and she's just over there like,
she's eating chocolate and picklesout of a jar and she's like, oh that
chocolate's the best, I love that.
And she's wearing whatever she feels goodin and she's just being holy herself and
then, you know, the women in the village,in the town are like, slut, you know.

(01:12:16):
And she's looking at the newspaper.
Like, there's the newspaper and all.
Oh, yeah.
Just,
all the rumors of what'sgoing on at that house.
And she's realizing like, Oh, thereare like consequences for living
my life way that I want to live it.
But what they truly get to realizeis that they are not beholden to
this even masculine authority.

(01:12:40):
Which comes in the form of Daryl Van Horn.
Like, they're liberating themselvesfrom society's expectations, and
then eventually they have to liberatethemselves from his expectations.
if he's the one thatliberated them, right?
It's like,
Yeah, they're, uh, uh, he'sthe master of unmastered women,

(01:13:00):
yeah.
quote
Yeah.
am using.
So I was reading In Defense of Witchesduring the time that I was, you know,
getting ready to review this movie,a book by Monet, Chalet, Chalet.
Okay.
So In Defense of Witches is, you know,basically a book about, you know, the
ramifications of witches throughouthistory in our socioeconomic world.

(01:13:22):
And actually startedreferencing this movie,
Really?
like, okay, so this is what she says inthis movie, in this book, she's saying,
what if instead of saying the devil, wereplace the word devil with independence.
Hmm.
every witch trial that's ever goneon where women are like, accused of

(01:13:44):
signing the devil's book and being, youknow, having the devil be their master.
What if the devil is justtheir own independence.
I love it.
Now, replace that in every story,including this one, these three women,
and say, at the end of this movie, whenthey finally get to use their powers
to liberate themselves completelyfrom his power and his their master,

(01:14:08):
that's when they're like really free.
I love that.
It's like, but they had tocome together because they got
seduced separately, basically.
And then as they, when they cometogether is when they became powerful and
Yep.
And they were able to come over,overcome their jealousies or their
egos or, you know, what they werelooking for each of them and say,

(01:14:28):
we can actually take back our power.
Like we're the ones who have the power.
That's where my theory comes in,where it's not him, it's them.
He needed them.
seeing it more clear.
Now he did.
Yeah.
I love this movie.
Final, my final thought on thismovie is I'm going to have to watch
it again, especially after you justgave me all that theories and stuff.

(01:14:50):
I'm like, not that I wasn'talready, because like I said,
man, with the cast like this.
I'm surprised this one flewunder my radar this long, really.
Um,
Yeah.
it was incredible.
I really do.
I like this movie.
This will be a Halloweentradition for me every year.
I'll put this into my repertoire of moviesand I'll have to keep watching this.

(01:15:11):
Cause I enjoyed it.
I thought it was great.
Um, It's all over the top.
Every piece, every bit of it wasover the top in the best way though.
So
So, audience just needs to decide,because if my pick, we even started any
of these movies, if I was to pick ourmovie for the final, movie screening

(01:15:33):
event, it would be Practical Magic.
So I guess we just have to
you
and see.
The audience needs to decide of thesemovies, which is their favorite.
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You can find the event page.
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Uh, we got Land of a Thousand Hillsdonating prizes for our costume contest.
I can't wait.
I can't wait for that.
You got yours already?
I don't have mine yet.
Yep.
I went down to Spark at Trolley Square.
They've got some amazing outfits there.

(01:16:14):
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So if you're looking for, uh, thetickets, you can look at the flyer
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Spirit Halloween was there yesterday.
Picked up some, you know, they're openfor the, for the time being the district.
So, uh, we're.
Yeah, getting our costumes ready.
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