April 10, 2025 • 65 mins
Tattoos and Tarot: Bridging Ancestral Wisdom into Modern Art
In this special episode of 'Practically Magick,' host Courtney Pearl, a Celtic priestess and ancestral healer, ventures into the world of tattoos with her tattoo artist, Liberty. The episode begins with Courtney pulling two tarot cards—two of wands signifying unity and a card from the Healing Spirits Oracle emphasizing the importance of guidance. Courtney and Liberty discuss spirituality, ancestral healing, and the deep connections found in cultural practices. The episode combines the ritual of tattooing with personal and generational stories, illustrating how modern and ancient traditions can harmonize. They explore themes of personal transformation, the significance of meaningful tattoos, and how both their spiritual paths intersect in their respective practices. The episode concludes with reflections on finding magic and sacredness in everyday life.
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00:00 Welcome to Practically Magic
00:32 Special Episode: Tattoo Appointment
01:19 Pulling Tarot and Oracle Cards
02:12 Unity and Ancestral Connections
05:43 Guidance and Intuition
08:04 Tattoo Session Begins
11:26 Liberty's Tattoo Journey
13:36 Cultural Significance of Tattoos
21:16 Traditional Tattooing Practices
30:10 Spiritual Connections and Healing
33:46 Energy Work and Tattoos
34:17 The Concept of Mana
35:48 Genealogy and Ancestral Energy
37:28 Modern Life and Spirituality
40:13 Retirement and Life Choices
42:04 Thriving in Discomfort
46:45 The Significance of Tattoos
52:07 Liberty's Tattoo Practice
54:34 Conclusion and Reflections
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
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Hello, and welcome to Practically Magic.
I am Courtney Pearl, your Celticpriestess and ancestral healer.
Today is going to be a very,very extra special episode.
You are going to be particularlyinterested if you are watching the video.
So if you typically listen on audio,I would suggest popping over or
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late waiting till later and go checkout the video on YouTube because.
I am going to be taking this podcast to mytattoo artist for my tattoo appointment.
I know when I first started seeingLiberty, we just had so much in common and
so many really cool in-depth conversationsabout spirituality and ancestral
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healing and connection and traditions.
And I was like, why amI not recording this?
This is excellent stuff.
So while I, uh, made an appointment to goin today, I reached out to her and said,
would you be a guest on my podcast andrecord with me while you are tattooing me?
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Oh.
Fantastic.
So this is actually going to bea really cool episode, and we're
going to head there next, but whatI'm gonna do before we do that is
pull a card for today's episode.
I'm actually gonna pull two cardsfor this episode today because I
am gonna pull out my magical Nordictarot deck as we're talking about
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ancestral things a little bit.
Um.
And that will come up, uh, along withmany other things that we're just gonna
see where the conversation takes us.
But I have some Nordicancestry and so does Liberty.
We've talked about that before.
So I want to pull a card fromthis particular deck, and then I'm
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also going to pull a card from oneof my new Oracle decks, so, Hmm.
Very interesting.
The card that we have for today's episodeis going to be the two of wands, and
the word that this particular deck hasassociated with the two of wands is unity.
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So in that aspect, it's gonna bevery fascinating to see all of these.
All of these aspects of our livesthat we find separated or in conflict
with each other are coming intoa phase of really being united.
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Um.
It's interesting because even Liberty willtalk a little bit about her ancestral,
uh, past and how she comes from onher father's side and her mother's
side come from very different partsof the world and um, obviously came in
connection for her to become who she is.
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A lot of people are coming intoconnection, not just um, from a cultural
aspect or an ancestral aspect, but we'realso talking a lot right now about the
unity between the ancestral practicesor remembering and reclaiming that.
In combination with modern day thingsin coming into, what does that look
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like for us in a, as we navigate thismodern world, as we come into the
age of information and technology?
And then, you know, and then beyondthat, where is this all leading us to?
So the, the two of ones I oftenassociate with beginnings of
things and these duality ofthings, and in particular, the one.
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Uh, part of the tarot I associatewith the error element or
communication and mentality.
So I think for me, I am reading thiscard to be a message to you that
things that were previously seen asopposites, or it's either this way or
this way, you are going to come intoa space of unity with those two ideas.
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That it isn't one or theother, that sometimes it's.
Some in between.
Some both aspect of this.
The pendulum that swung far out oneway or swung far out another way.
It's gonna come into balance alittle bit more with those two
dualities, especially when comingto the idea of those two ideas.
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It's gonna come together.
Now the.
Other deck I have for us todayis gonna be the healing spirits.
I just got this deck recently and thisis an Oracle deck, so it's going to be
very, um, very plain and clear about whichcard it's going to bring forward for us.
Um, these ones actually just have aphrase on the card, so you don't have
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to do a whole lot of, uh, reading intoit, but it's gonna tell you something.
So what I've pulled for us today.
I will show you on videowhat this card looks like.
It has a lot of red, it has kindof, uh, what looks to be a younger
child's soul in all of this red,ethereal, um, sort of image.
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And then it has kind of what I perceiveto be an older person or an older soul
that's like guiding the younger soul.
And it says.
It is always okay to ask forguidance when the way is unclear.
We cannot do this journey alone.
I think that tapping into yourown intuition and your own
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connections is really powerful.
It's very empowering and I hopethat in the work that I do, I am
more someone who can help people beempowered to make choices and to know
their path for themselves, but also.
The realm of guidance and peoplewho can guide us exists too.
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My job or my purpose, or fulfilling myrole and calling in this world is not
to say I know better than anyone else,but that that because of the knowledge
and experience that I have put atthe forefront of my life, hopefully
gives me some abilities and some giftsto be able to guide people through.
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And so I am not always gonna know theright and clear path for me because
I have my own ego and I have my owntraumas and experiences that ca,
that catch me in my, in my journeyand make me feel lost or confused.
Um, I cannot see all solutions.
I cannot see all paths.
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So I. I have to be willing to set myego aside at times and be able to say,
I'm going to need some guidance orhelp in this, and seeking a healer,
seeking a professional, or seeking aguide in something that I need to do.
So don't be afraid if at any pointyou feel like I've done all of this
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healing work, I've done a lot onmyself to empower myself and to feel
like I know what's right for me.
But when I come up again,something I. Don't know what to
do or I feel out of my element.
Don't be afraid to reach out and it maybe reaching out to something or someone
that is not in this physical realm.
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Spirit guides your angels.
Whatever you particularly happento believe in, they are there for
the purpose of guiding you as well.
Um, so that's what I think thatcard is going to give us a sense
of today as we go into our.
Let's go on over to theappointment this morning.
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We're gonna go over to Exodus that isover in South Jordan on Redwood Road,
and we are going to meet with Liberty.
I'm so excited.
Here we go.
This is Liberty.
She's gonna be doing my tattoo today.
My tattoo.
That's not here, then we're, it's not.
I'm just
kidding.
It's a, that's a figmentof your imagination.
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Alright, one second.
This will be great.
A lot of people though, havebeen telling me, they're like,
oh my gosh, that's fresh.
That looks so good.
How do you notice you feel about it?
I feel great about it.
Good.
I, I think there was just like maybea day or a moment after I first got
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both of them, I think that I was like.
Oh my gosh, these areon my body now forever.
There was just this like almost
regret, like a paying it.
Like it's, yeah, but it's not
regret.
'cause I'm like, I, Iknow I don't regret it.
Mm-hmm.
But there was just this like,that's, that wasn't on my body
before and now it is forever, I feel
like.
So for us, us, oh man, here I go.
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For us who are a little bit, uh, twisted.
That's fair.
It's, it's like an addiction becauseyou almost get adjusted to it.
Okay.
And then you kind of just keep buildinglike, and you're like, what else?
Yeah, it's what's next?
It's almost like you are blind towhat you already have, and then you're
like, oh, but I need to have something.
And then you become blind to that andthen, oh, I need to have something.
And then you're blind to thatand then before you know it,
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okay, you're, that makes sense.
You're covered with sharks and, yeah.
Yeah.
I can see it.
Ready?
Yes.
Now I know what to expect.
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Mm-hmm.
So
remind me was, is this your first tattoo?
This is my first tattoo I have
to, uh, catch myself on.
So remind me, we areworking on my first tattoo.
Yeah.
What's your, uh,
remind me what your initialpurpose for this is.
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Yeah, why?
So this is the one that I've had on the,on my idea for the last 10 years probably.
I have this necklace.
So for those of you who just listento audio only, this episode's going
to be a a go to YouTube episode.
You're gonna need to gosee what we're doing.
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I had a Celtic tree, um necklace.
That I loved for a long time.
I actually lost the original, this isthe second one, but loved the design,
loved the imagery of it, and then Istarted getting into Celtic Spirituality
and mythology, and then it was like,I've gotta have this on my body.
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So it took this long for me to finally doit, and I needed to find an artist that
I felt understood the initiation process.
Which is why I went to Liberty.
She understands cultural tattoos.
Do you wanna tell a littlebit about your background on
that?
The initiation process is sucha cultural phenomenon that we
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kinda left behind, isn't it?
Mm-hmm.
In a way, you know, it's not sociallypracticed anymore on like the large scale.
Um,
yeah.
But you probably get even peoplewho maybe wouldn't classify
themselves as spiritual or Oh, right.
When they do get a tattoo and they maybeinitially did it just for aesthetics.
Mm-hmm.
It is.
I I think they go through initiation.
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I think so too.
Getting a tattoo,
you know, your sphere, your social, um,you know, your people, your tribe that
you have built up and then you go geta marking and you, they acknowledge it.
Right.
Is that not the basisof like a initiation?
Mm-hmm.
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So my
connection to this practiceis, um, so I've been an
artist since I, my whole life.
Um, and I, um, my dad's fromTonga and my mom is from Utah.
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Her family's been here for some time.
You know, very,
how would you say.
Uh, Caucasian.
You know, that's, youknow, the, it's okay.
You can say whitewashed.
Uh, yeah.
And, and here's thing, vanilla.
I'm just kidding.
I think that's me.
Think, you know, my family's beenin Utah for some time and mm-hmm.
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They have, they have arich, beautiful history.
Right.
It's, there's a lot of darknessin that too, but like, I don't
know, as, as all cultures do.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I, I'm not gonna discountone side over the other.
For sure.
I think, um, I don't know, there's a lotof, I'm not quite sure how to word that.
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Uh, there's a lot of conversations tobe had in that subject, isn't there?
Yes.
Yeah.
Which is why I have like 50 episodesof my podcast to talk about.
I can spur
off in so many differentways with this, but um,
it's complex
for sure.
It's complex.
Yes.
My, my purpose for tattooing isconnected more to my father's.
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Mm-hmm.
Um, culture, which is, you know, Tongaand it, there's a lot of, uh, maybe
lost practice in our culture from thelast 200 years and, and me getting into
tattooing was kind of a calling, if youwill, to use my talents and my skillset.
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To help bring something back.
Mm-hmm.
And in that, in, um, you know, doingsomething for that part of my culture,
uh, I found kind of like just theconnection to all humanity, right?
Yes.
Like we've all had, we all haveancestors who did this at one point.
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It's not just one culture.
It's, yes, it's, it'sa culture of humankind.
Yeah, to practice something marking,initiation, you know, marking the
body and it, it's like drumming.
Yeah.
You, you can't find a culture that insound, you know, you go back far enough.
Drumming was an incrediblyspiritual practice of, yeah.
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Connecting with the soundand a, a beat, a heartbeat,
a beat within a community, right?
Mm-hmm.
It's like a mm-hmm.
Yeah, exactly.
Dance, music, art.
I think that those are symptomsof humankind From the beginning
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I felt that the, everyone is kind ofgoing through a shift of reclaiming that.
Yes.
And if they're not, I feellike they're resisting it.
Mm-hmm.
Hardcore.
Right.
But for those who are awakened to it,those that are like willing to see that
they're wanting to reengage with thoselike ancient practices of their people.
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Mm-hmm.
And like mm-hmm.
I'm going, I wanna reclaim that.
I wanna remember what that was.
I think there's a lot of us who, who
feels it still within us?
We feel something that's not beingpracticed and we're drawn to it.
You know, you know, you, you,you have a talent, right?
If you, if you tend to, oh, Isee a drawing that I really like.
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Oh, I wanna recreate that.
And you try to find a waywithin yourself to create it.
That's.
Honing a skill.
It's honing an art that's, you know,but like I think there's a lot of
dormant cultural practice that wefeel, and it comes out in skillset.
It's
still alive in us.
Yes.
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And we're just trying to find it.
And it's drives purpose and passion.
Yeah.
I've been having conversationslike that a lot with people,
especially because we are the.
Daybreak network.
Mm-hmm.
There's a lot of people starting theirown things and leaving their corporate
jobs or, and they're like, I know I canmake money doing this or like having
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this job, but there's so many thatare coming to us in our groups and
community and saying, I just feel apassion for this, and I like, there's
the money I really wanna drive anymore.
It's, it's something deeper.
Yeah.
And we're all tired, Ithink, of sacrificing.
Well, let's think about our purpose.
That's a whole other deep, deep rabbithole we could follow down is, is like how
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unnatural it is to live the way we are.
You know, we're raised tobelieve we should be living.
Mm-hmm.
Working to retire oneday and eventually live.
Mm-hmm.
I don't, I don't know.
I think that's, um, abackwards way of thinking.
Yeah.
That's like the parable.
Uh, maybe I told you this,the one with the, the fishing,
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the guys fishing, oh, I dunno.
I'm gonna mess it up 'causeI'm trying to remember it.
But they, you know, there's, Ithink there's like a group of
guys in, in Italy or somethingand they, they fish all morning.
They sell their fish in the afternoonand then, you know, they hang out with
their families and they, you know.
Do their thing.
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And these like, uh, businessmencome and say, you know, if you
fish all day, you would have enoughmoney to buy a boat and hire some
people and then start your company.
And then you would have this,and you'd have this, and you know
this, like if you just work harder.
Um, and then you'd have, you know,a million dollars and sell your
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company event, you know, one day.
And then they were like.
And then what?
What would I do then?
And they're like, well, thenyou could just like fish for
half the day, shoot what you'redoing, hang out with your family.
And they're like, we do that anyway.
We're just gonna keepdoing that and be happy.
I think that that's actuallyjust something very relatable
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within like my culture is
in, in the islands.
You know, particularly, I'm gonnaspeak on my father's behalf.
Um, he grew up in a thatched hut,like, you know, in, he grew up in
a pre-modern experience society.
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Um, when he came to the US inthe seventies, you know, he
left, he had left that home.
Um,
he had left his community with it lookingone way, and now he hasn't been back.
Wow.
You know, now you can see it onGoogle Maps and stuff, and, and
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it's, it's almost like an entirelydifferent, it's modernized, you
know, it's, it's something new.
And I think, I can't help but think,you know, we've had these conversations,
um, with my, my father where, you know,it was a simple life and he worked
so hard to build something modern andthis new legacy for his family and.
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You know, now we all talk about, let'sgo and do this basic, simple living.
Yeah.
Let's go live in a badhouse and hang out on
beaches.
And
that
is the dream.
Right?
You know, when I was younger, sign me up,engaged and about ready to start my life.
I had spoken to my dad about, oh, I wouldlike to go to Thena for our honeymoon.
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He is like, you don't wanna go there.
That's you're, you live in paradise.
Why would you wanna go there?
But it's like my view of Oma is paradise.
Paradise.
His view is he, he kind of gotaway from it to get to paradise.
This is his paradise.
Yeah.
So it's a very, you can of modernliving and stuff, but you, I can see
both perspectives and that's, you know,again, the grass is always greener Right.
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Kind of a thing.
Mm-hmm.
But we're all trained to re reclaim.
That and get back to that and belike, remember when we didn't have
bones that could get a hold ofus, like everywhere all the time?
You know?
Right.
Just kind of that unplug is our vacation,
but when you live in that, completelyunplugged from the modern, you
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know, the what's considered tobe upscale, modern first world.
Mm-hmm.
It you, you are living, you are ahave not you, you are living without.
Yeah.
So your dream is to have whatthe rest of the world Yeah.
You know, this upper level of living has.
But you know, I think it's theconcept of who has the upper
living, who actually is living Yeah.
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Versus working to live, I don't know.
Very true.
And that's, you know, balance.
Hopeful we can get back to balance wherewe swing the pendulum too far one way.
Yeah.
Right.
And you, uh, did.
Did you tell me that you had gotten atattoo like in the old traditional way?
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Yes, so that's actually somethingthat was like a catalyst in
getting me into the tattoo world.
So being an artist my whole life,I kind of always just avoided it.
The tattoo industry seemed sounappealing to me, too dark, too
angry to this, to that, that whichI just knew with my personality.
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Yeah, the struggles of my life thatthat wasn't the type of energy I
wanted to be in, because being inthat energy would make me that energy.
Mm-hmm.
So I was just kind of avoided it.
People would tell me all the time,you need to tattoo, you should, you
need to bring your talent into this.
But I, I literally just likeavoided it like the plague.
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Um, then, so growing up.
It's always been a conversation piecein the Polynesian community here in
Utah and maybe mostly the the Hakai,which are the Half Bloods, gans, US
Half Bloods, always wishing to have aconnection to this, you know, culture.
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But there's always beenmurmurs and in talks of.
People bringing back the old way, the oldtraditional way of tattooing, which was
tapping hand, tapping hand taps, tattoos.
Yeah.
And you know, me being in Utah, notgrowing up in, in the islands, not
growing up in Hawaii, I always heardof these things, these people doing it
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and just looking up to it, you know,my brothers and I would talk about it.
Um, and then I'm trying tofigure out how this went.
In 2020, we had a trip toHawaii planned, but of course
it got canceled because mm-hmm.
The world experiencedcovid the apocalypse.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
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Um, and so in 2021, was it 2021 or 2022?
I don't remember.
We finally had that trip,and during that time, I was
thinking during the time of not.
Living in the world.
Right.
With, with Covid happening, I kind ofknew I wanna do something significant
when I finally do make it back.
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So in 2021, when I, we planned our trip,we kind of made a last minute plan.
It was January when we made the planand the tickets were from March.
It was kind of a quickturnaround ish for us anyways.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I had kind of on a whimjust looked up if there was
traditional tattoos happening.
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Uh, in Hawaii, in Oahu, when, when wewere going and I saw that there was,
and so I just started reaching out.
Um, my first choice was to Keone Nunes.
Nunes.
Um, I reached out to him to see if hewas doing it and had an availability and.
He responded back very quicklyand said, unfortunately, he
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doesn't live there anymore.
He lives in Thailand,you know, but Oh wow.
But that response, like, that choiceto send that message and then his quick
response was kind of the kickoff tofinding that he has a graduate doing
it there and, um, to reach out to him.
So I did, I reached out toKamala and, um, he, we kind of
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in, we, we began the process.
To his protocol, their protocol,um, to receive my markings.
Uh, ultimately I did, you know, I,I got to experience, um, the office
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ceremony and laying on the mat andreceiving my markings and, you know,
understanding how the markings symbolizemy journey in this world and my
lineage and connection to the land and.
My purpose.
Um, so yeah, it was, uh,a rebirth, if you will.
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Yes.
And um, when I left, I remember sendinga message when I came home, sorry.
Uh, I remember sending a messageto Kiana saying, I hope you choose,
like you teach somebody in the Tongancommunity so that we can revive it
within our, this community, you know?
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Yeah.
And, um,
literally after pushingsend, I was sitting there
realizing, oh, that needs to be me.
Like I, I just need to do this.
So calling, yeah, that was, that was mysecond rebirth moment was, oh, I do belong
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in this situation, in this industry.
I do have a purpose in this.
I have skill sets that canget me somewhere, that can do
something for my community.
And you know, before I feel like it wasa little bit skewed to just my community.
Mm-hmm.
Now being, you know, getting a greatapprenticeship with a great group of
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artists here at Exodus Tattoo, I, um,realize it's not just my community,
you know, my Tongan community.
It's a much broader
mm-hmm.
Uh, experience of just human,human culture, you know?
Yeah.
So, and that's my Seeking someoneout was more like, I need someone
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I know and feel, and trustunderstands that, that part of it.
So even not even knowing all ofthat, which I did not know, but
I'm like, I know that this is goingto be the experience I wanna have,
and this is, you know, I've waited.
How did, how did you know that love?
Well, I think in just seeing someof the art that you'd already
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done, some, uh, tattoos thatyou'd done, I was like, oh, okay.
Okay.
I, I'm ready.
She's on the same, this is it.
Yeah.
Like, I'm ready to, toget this on the schedule.
I had said I was gonna get a tattoo.
The tattoos I'd wantedfor a long time already.
Um, I'm like, 2024 is my year.
I'm doing it.
Mm-hmm.
And then 2024 came and went and,you know, new Year's happened
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and I was like, oh shoot.
Oh, will that one, whoops.
Yeah.
I didn't even make, I didn't even keepthe promise to myself, so it was kind
of just like, okay, it's happening.
It's gotta happen now.
Mm-hmm.
I have to do this.
Did you see in the
daybreak page is that,
um, one of my, our mutual friends haddinner, a tattoo with you and, uh, I
think they posted pictures and, and thenI think I just started looking at your.
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Stuff off your profile and picturesand stuff, and I thought, okay, good.
This feels right.
Mm-hmm.
Um, not that I could, like inmy Celtic spirituality, go out
and find a Celtic tattoo artist.
Right.
I mean, maybe they probably are out there.
Yeah.
Maybe.
But like you said, it's human.
Yeah.
Um, you know, and I would nevercome and get a Tongan tattoo Right.
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When I'm not Tongan.
So I wanted to be respectfulof, you know, and someone who
understands that that's mm-hmm.
S you know, respectful of our ancestralheritage and where we come from.
And, um, but it was like that for me too.
I see a lot of people, a rebirth,like a, um, for me, I had set
certain standards about my work as apriestess and like I wasn't just gonna
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go out and get these tattoos just
for men.
Like, here, I'm gonnagive you these markings.
Yeah.
You need to find somebody wholike treats them as sacred
as you treat
them.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Yeah.
'cause for me it was, it was a processof have I studied, have I worked, have
I learned, have I, do I understandwhat the meaning of the, the tattoo is?
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Do I, you're following your own protocol.
Yeah.
And it's not that there is a, anyone elsetelling me, like, right, this is what
you have to happen in order to do this.
But I laid it out for myself.
And I was ready for that.
This one I've been thinkingabout for almost 10 years.
And then the other one, which we'll show,uh, was only in the last couple of years.
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Oh, okay.
That I was like, okay,that's the other one.
Mm-hmm.
That's how did you alwaysknow there was gonna be two
or feel there was gonna be two?
I think
I did, because I think, and,and we worked on this one.
I'm totally revealing, revealing.
We did this, like we worked onthis one and then it was a few
weeks before we did the other one.
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And so I had one for a while andum, and I did feel like during
that time, like, I'm imbalanced.
Mm-hmm.
I need like, it's incomplete almostas if they are the same part of
the same tattoo, but they're twoseparate, two different places.
But just that they weremeant to be together.
They were meant to be together.
Yeah.
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Ooh, I like that.
Yeah, and you're very intuitive.
Naturally, we've talked about her veryempathic, open-minded connection to spirit
and spiritual realms, and she's, and
I don't even fully understandit, doesn't understand it,
but she's totally like, we've hadconversations during tattooing
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where she's like, I see.
I feel, I know, I know.
And I'm like, that is exactly right.
That is exactly how it is.
Most people can do that,but don't trust it enough.
I guess.
I think something that I've experiencedis that I, I just didn't know that it
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wasn't a thing that everyone experiences.
Mm-hmm.
So then when I started get that,you know, experiencing kind of
more significant levels of it.
Mm-hmm.
And, um, being around otherswho have more education on it.
While I was going through theseexperiences and they're telling me like,
whoa, yeah, you should do this more.
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You know, it kind of clicked inlike, oh, this is something special
to me, for me that I should exploremore and not just discount it as,
oh, everybody dreams like this.
Oh, everybody does this,
you know, astral projects.
Mm-hmm.
And, um, astral travels during.
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Oh, during sleep?
Yes.
And things like that, which I thinkeverybody does in some sense or another.
They just maybe don't, you know,and everyone's different in
how they Right experience it.
But I was, I was similar in thatI've probably always been very much
in a spiritual realm my whole life,and I didn't know that that's not
something that everybody experiences.
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So I'm like, you guys all,um, you know, pretend.
This or that, or visualizethis or see these things when
you're out and about, right?
Mm mm-hmm.
Like the energy of trees, you guys allcan see and feel energy of trees, right?
Mm-hmm.
And people are like,that's weird, Courtney.
Interesting.
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That's really cool.
You're strange person.
I'm like, oh, I'm, but I remember beinga small kid and when I didn't have any
friends to play with, I would go climbtrees and then I would talk to the trees.
Yeah.
And the trees would be my friends.
So I was like, never lonely.
'cause I was like, well, we're just,I'm playing with the trees today.
And you were always connectedto the life source of Earth.
(32:39):
Mm-hmm.
I thought that was justwhat everybody did,
I guess.
Don't do actually.
So this is, I recently had aconversation with somebody, uh,
here, where they were talking about,well, how they wanted to understand.
If there are colors that help youfeel, and I was like, well, of course.
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Mm-hmm.
That's my whole work, you know?
I feel, that's all I do.
I feel all the colors.
And he's like, what are you saying?
And so we dug into that andhe's like, I just want you to
know that not everybody feels.
I'm like, wait, what?
I'm like, well,
they can, it's interesting.
Yeah.
It's possible.
Yeah.
Healing colors.
That's all.
The work that I do with healing workis I'll be like, what color is it?
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What color is the feeling you're having?
What connections?
You know, are we making there?
That's how we do the healing through art.
We paint out our colors and our feelings.
Exactly.
And people are tapped into itwhen they are allowed to be.
They're more tapped into itthan they think they are.
Yeah.
Because they'll look at me kind ofstrange when I say, what color is it?
They go color.
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I'm talking about emotions.
And I'm like, just what color is it?
Just first thing that comes to your mind.
Yeah.
And they're like, uh, I guess it's orange.
And then I'm like, okay,here's what I know about that.
And then we'll move, movethrough the energy that way.
And you not even having studiedenergy work necessarily in talking
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to your clients while they're gettinga tattoo and asking what does this
tattoo mean to you and how you, andthen you're infusing that as you
tattoo, which I think is incredible.
It's energy work.
Yeah.
I mean, in, in the Polynesian culture,there's this, it's called mana.
I mean, we.
In, in the old days, only theSacred Chiefs were allowed to
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have and use and obtain mana.
It was a, a force.
Hmm.
And you know, of coursethere was different levels
of still each other's mana.
You know, it gets a little extremeand dark in that conversation.
But, um, mana is, is like, is a power.
It's an energy and, um.
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Something, you know, in themodern day, what I'm doing
here is I, how do I put this?
I have a lot of energy.
I, I have booming energy that I canshare, and I, I like to think of what
I do as like an energy exchange here.
Mm-hmm.
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You know, this is a transactionof sorts in sharing mana.
And, you know, you come to me tospill your blood willingly and
share your blood with me, and I'msharing with you, you know, a new
form of yourself when you leave.
And, um, yeah mama, that's,that's what we kind of call it.
(35:34):
So
I love that.
Incredible.
I think intuitively your, yourDNA knew Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
You knew.
I think this is something passed on to
you for sure.
To.
Incredible.
And doing gen genealogywork back to my culture.
Mm-hmm.
Um, a lot of our history waspassed down through oral tradition.
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It wasn't passed down through records.
You know, written record.
Written record is such a, a moremodern European approach to history.
Um, so in doing genealogy,I've, uh, found and.
Consumed a lot of oral recordthat has been put down in mm-hmm.
(36:20):
Written record nowadays,um, of my lineages.
And so I have been able to learnof what my ancestors possessed in
their mana and how they, um, managedthe world around them at the time.
And, um, it, it, itwas, it's an immediate.
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Um, opportunity to like relate it towho I am and where I came from, um,
and what they passed on to me and I,yeah, I can't help but being a person
who is connected to a more spirituallife experience, I can't help but like,
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think of it as a inheritance, right?
Yeah.
I inherited these.
This big booming energy from my ancestors.
Mm-hmm.
For sure.
I think we all have that.
Right?
But you kind of have to bejust open to tapping into it.
Mm-hmm.
Or maybe
nurturing that it's there already.
Yeah.
(37:24):
Some kind of a passion ordrive even just a curiosity.
Mm-hmm.
I think that more and morepeople are coming around to that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I feel like there's just.
There's demographics of people thathaven't awakened to it yet, but I think
that they're grasping so strongly Yeah.
To maybe modern things that they'rejust like, no, I can't, I can't.
(37:49):
Well, I think a lot of answer that call.
It's like, I, I don't want things tochange and I don't wanna look at that,
and so I'm just gonna hold tight to what,
what
I
have.
I think there's a
lot
of guilt, um, in strayingfrom religion and faith.
You know, they almost see it Yeah.
As something againstfaith threatening to that.
Yeah.
Or against their reality.
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And it keeps them from exploring it.
I don't, I don't know that itneeds to be against somebody's
no.
Religion or
Yeah.
And it's a lot of people, um, in, in thecircles of people that I know that are,
you know, reclaiming their ancestry.
(38:30):
Um, they have Northern Europeanancestry that they're connecting with.
Mm-hmm.
And then they have, youknow, like you another side.
So you are kind of comingto a marriage of both.
Yeah.
In the respect of both, while they'realso, sometimes there's so many parallels.
(38:50):
Yeah.
I
mean, again, I think itcomes down to belief.
I think a lot of people believe insomething that, uh, indicates that.
A lot of, you know, things from10,000, 20,000, 70,000 years
ago were not real necessarily.
Mm-hmm.
That's unfortunate.
'cause I think if you can, ifyou allow yourself to tap into
those things, you can realize like
(39:14):
where you come from.
Mm-hmm.
Basic,
basic source of who we are and howmuch of that makes us who we are.
Mm-hmm.
So much of us that we can deny or.
And maybe how much we don't need
to evolve.
Like, do we need to keeppushing the envelope?
Can't we just be fishermen?
(39:35):
Yes.
Some people are just really,really happy just fishing for
the, what they need for the day.
Mm-hmm.
And then that's it.
I'm constantly in a battlewith myself about that.
Constantly looking at myschedule and being like, wait,
did I wanna be this busy?
Mm-hmm.
What was the reason I putthis much on my schedule?
And then it was like.
Oh, yeah.
(39:55):
I thought that, you know, maybeI needed to be making money.
I thought that I, that's what successwas, and I got a little wrapped up in
that instead of just being like, what doI want my day to day life to look like?
Yep.
Yep.
So back into balance and I'mjust constantly swinging like
a little pendulum like that.
Yeah.
I've, I've recently been trying toconvert my husband to the idea that
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we, we don't retire with money, right?
Yeah.
We don't need to retire.
You may not subscribe to this.
This notion of having alot of money to retire.
It's, it's just a, it's a mentalconstruct that I don't necessarily
feel I need to fall into.
So I'm convincing, I'm slowly, slowlybut surely getting my husband on that
(40:40):
end with me is, let's, let's retireand go live off the land somewhere.
Because truthfully, even all the hardwork that you put into it and all of the,
you know, maybe the savings and things.
Um, there are no guarantees.
Mm-hmm.
And I know a lot of people in my parents'generation that worked so hard Oh my gosh.
(41:00):
Saved so hard, sacrificed so much.
They're still, and they lost everything.
And they're like, they, you know, usedup their savings during covid just to
survive or they're, you know, and, andthey're forced to retire because no
one will hire a 65, 70-year-old mm-hmm.
You know, at this point.
So they're like.
In, in a situation where they'relike, okay, so what was it all for?
(41:22):
I'm still in a position where Ihave to figure it out and yeah.
I I am still without, I'm still without.
Yeah.
So I think our notion couldhave been that your thirties and
forties and fifties were like
enjoyable.
Yes.
Our notion of comfort is a,
(41:42):
is make believe.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It's built on.
That's really scary for a lot of people.
But I think you get comfortable orfeel a little more comfortable with
uncertainty, you realize it's not,not the worst thing in the world.
It's,
it's okay.
You know, I found out somethingabout myself during Covid.
(42:04):
I thrived, huh?
Like, I, I Good.
I thrived during, um, turmoil.
And I think there's probably a lotmore that can be talked into there.
I know there's a lot ofchildhood issues there.
But anyways, back to back to the now,um, I, you know, through Covid I felt
(42:29):
alive and I knew that I could survive andthrive and do very well in that situation.
I did, you know, I think,um, I have a strange.
Desire, maybe not desire,but comfort with discomfort.
(42:52):
Mm. Like when we had the earthquake.
Mm-hmm.
I was ready to go, like I was like,okay, I'm already prepared for Covid.
Let's just, let's just suggest a little.
I know.
I remember
that being such a big deal herein Utah that everything shut down.
Everybody was home thenwe had this earthquake.
That was something we were not used to.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I remember being like.
(43:14):
Well, the world's ending.
Well, here we go.
I don't remember panicking or likefeeling, you know, totally shook.
I just was like, well, yeah.
What else?
Bring it on.
I don't know.
Yes, we go.
I think there's a level of
like,
well, this, we're already ready.
(43:35):
Yeah, but I think I was already readybefore a lot of other people were.
I was, I was already ready.
Yeah.
For the zombie apocalypse.
Yeah.
Like, I gotta feeling, but um, as I splashall my ink everywhere, edit that out.
Keeping on it in Oh.
Um, yeah, I think there, these, a littlebit of me is like, oh man, I wish we
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could have some crazy situation again.
Where I'm like, feeling great.
On top of the world.
Yeah.
I thought that it would reallybe a catalyst for change.
And maybe it is, maybe it's just takingtime too for the universe to catch up.
But the idea of, Hey, maybe we all worktoo hard, slow down that like the time
(44:24):
people got to spend at home with theirfamily because they had no other choice.
It was like stay home.
That is exactly work from home.
Yes.
And then everybody went,oh my gosh, I am working.
For someone else, you know?
Not for my, not for my, my life away.
Yeah.
And I, I feel like people really shifted.
They were like, time with familyis where it is at, where it's
(44:46):
important or time for myself andmy hobbies and things I love to do.
'cause we were forced to belike, you can't go anywhere.
You can't go, you can't be distracted.
You have to sit with yourstillness and your boredom.
And I thought it was great.
Yeah.
I mean, I thought, me too.
This is it.
Yep.
This is what the earth needs.
We need a cleansing, weneed a flood or a fire.
(45:08):
We need a big cataclysmic and bend.
Not that I
want people to hurt.
No.
Right.
It's, I just wanted a shift.
I wanted something toforce us into a shift.
So yeah, it's, it's obviouslyunfortunate all of the harm.
Right.
And the.
You know when something really terriblehappens and all the people are affected,
(45:33):
the casualties of an event like that.
Yeah, yeah.
And that's the demented one who'slike, oh, I did really well.
Yeah.
I don't, I don't think there'sanything wrong with that.
That sounds great at all.
The situation.
But that's a strength of characterin, you know, for people who maybe
(45:53):
have been through trauma or havebeen through things in their life
that's like, this is where I shine.
Yeah.
I'm doing great.
Sorry about you guys.
Yeah.
But we look to those peopleand go, help us through this.
Like lead us through this for the peoplewhose lives were maybe a little too cushy.
Yeah.
They don't know what to do.
They panic, like help.
(46:16):
Now what?
Yeah, I think this isgonna go really deep.
Being a child with trauma,I, um, made pain my ally.
You know, it was kind of one ofthose things that was like, oh, okay,
well I'm feeling pain from this.
Hmm.
So I'm gonna control it instead, like,I'm not gonna let it hurt me anymore.
(46:40):
Mm-hmm.
Uh, you know, disassociating is mm-hmm.
Part of that too, you know?
Right.
So, yeah, I think, um, tattooswas definitely a symptom of
the like, Ooh, I had this pain.
This makes me feel alive insteadof being broken down and being
created into some art piece.
Mm. You know, that's
(47:00):
an, yeah, that's an interesting, that'slike whole other perspective of it.
Two.
I feel like I lookedat it, um, for myself.
I don't like to be uncomfortable.
I'm
not one who would be like, shouldgo out in the cold and suffer Cold.
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Cold is where I drop a wine.
I'm chilly.
I wanna go inside.
I've always been kinda a babyabout that stuff, but I, I
thought about like when I was.
Facing childbirth and how I felt aboutthat and was like, oh man, I'm so ready.
I'm so like, oh, just put me in coach.
(47:42):
I'm ready.
And then being like, I get to movethrough that experience with everything
that that's gonna feel like, and then,you know, be rebirth as a mom on the
other side and, and then the tattoo,knowing that's not gonna be comfy.
Yeah.
Which, you know, even rightnow, it's like a little.
Some, there's some discomfort.
(48:03):
Little discomfort.
Yeah.
Nothing I can't handle, but I'mlike, um, I'm also not opting to get
a tattoo in a place that's reallypainful, either got 'em all over, I'm
like, oh,
I wanna get on my
face.
Fixed
with people that have, I'm like behindtheir ears or somewhere that I think, or
there's like a lot of color lids there.
Yeah.
(48:24):
I'm like, Ooh.
Not that I wouldn't do it, I
might, but I, so here'sthe thing is I like.
The mental space that I haveto be in to get through it.
Mm-hmm.
It's a comfortable place for me.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, feeling all those endorphinsand all the dopamine and everything
happening, the adrenaline, that'sa, that's a weird, fun place to be.
(48:49):
Yeah.
I could see that maybe, maybe that'ssomething that's passed down to, you know,
excitement in the way that you.
I get that.
Like I'm ready to go into battle almost.
Yeah.
And it sounds really weird,but like in Polynesia, our
ancestors were very much, um,
(49:14):
battling, you know?
Mm-hmm.
There was a lot of war and a lotof conflict while there was a lot
of beauty and, you know, growingculture that, you know, that's
exactly what kind of fueled it is.
The movement through the islands was.
There was conflict between chiefsand, you know, village leaders and
(49:36):
yeah, this is warrior spirit.
So there is like a level of
I living in a stagnant experience of lifeis a very unnatural thing, I think for
everybody, but.
Particularly people who arecoming from cultures that are
still new to the modern era.
(49:58):
Mm-hmm.
Because it was only two generationsago where, I don't know, it was living
a lot more hard and Yeah, difficult.
Yeah.
And even here in the US there'sa level of difficulty that was
happening two generations ago.
Different, right.
But I know it's crazy
to think about.
(50:19):
How really very new, yeah.
What this country is and inthe way that it looks now
us is just an angsty teen.
Just a little angsty teen going through.
Its going through its stuff.
That's a nice way to look at.
(50:39):
Oh,
nice.
I went a little
bit farther into touching upthan I was necessary, but it
was like I. She got in the zone.
Really got in the zone there.
Like I'm gonna hit that littleguy real quick and then we'll be
ready to move on to the other side.
(51:01):
Do you think you're done with tattoos?
I have no idea.
I feel like I'm good for now.
Yeah, but never say never.
Right.
Just be careful not tofall off the edge of
mindless tattooing.
Yeah.
Do you think that's, that's
something that I don't,
don't think I will do, but I Yeah.
(51:23):
Would be careful about becauseit took me so long Yeah.
To feel ready.
I don't have anything in mindlike I did going into this.
I obviously like was like,I thought about this so.
Mm-hmm.
For so long.
I know I won't regret itbecause it never changed.
Always been there.
Yeah.
(51:44):
So maybe I just need.
Enough time to be like, I know this iswhat I want, and I've never not wanted it.
Mm-hmm.
That makes sense.
I feel like maybe it would be a weirdthing to be a tattoo artist and tell
somebody not to keep getting tattoos.
Right.
Well just be intentional
about
it.
Intentional.
Just
be intentional.
(52:05):
It's a good idea.
Yeah, and for sure if anybody'slooking to get a tattoo.
You are going to want to seek libertyout soon because she's gonna be
so busy that she's gonna have toraise all of her prices and you
guys are not even gonna get in.
It's gonna be too, she'snot, in fact, don't even try.
I'm just kidding.
I'm like very soon.
(52:27):
No,
I was very lucky to get in.
Let me just
say that I get to do this for passion,like I don't, I'm lucky where.
This is a burning passion for me.
Yeah.
Um, that's what it should be.
So getting the work thatfeels right is important.
(52:49):
Mm-hmm.
You know, I, I, I want to makesure that I'm the right person
for everybody that comes in andsits on this chair and vice versa.
Mm-hmm.
That we we're doing the proper, we'rein the right place for our own journeys.
Right?
Yes.
So.
My passion is not pushing me to belike, ah, I gotta raise my prices.
(53:13):
'cause I can, yeah.
Just know.
Yeah.
It's a good place to be in.
I've got a good intention
here.
Yeah.
And that's what someone told meabout, even the work that I do in
energy work and you know, if I docharge money for it, it is my work.
(53:33):
Right?
Yeah.
But, you know, and then being like.
Obviously I do a lot of charitywork and giving things as
well, but I am balancing that.
But, uh, I was told in kind of businessethics in when doing energy work is
if it starts to become where you'relike, I just can't do it anymore.
(53:53):
Um, you know, without feeling kindof, uh, overworked or like, I'm
feeling like, oh, I gotta go do this.
Mm-hmm.
Then it's time to raise yourprices because the energetic
exchange is taking more than, yeah.
Yeah.
And that's how you cankind of know or feel it.
Yeah.
Well, at the same time, I think it'sreally important to be available,
(54:15):
uh, and to be like, okay, I alsodo, you know, certain sessions for
people for free or there's certaincharity work that I reach out to.
And that's part of it too.
Leaving yourself open to that.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, do you wanna let everybody knowhow to find you and we'll finish up?
(54:37):
Oh, so I'm on ins.
Well, I have your other arm.
I'm a girl.
Yeah, but we'll, we'llfinish up the recording.
Oh, okay.
Great.
You guys get to see my,um, my other tattoo later.
So I am at Exodus Tattoo.
Uh, I can also be found onInstagram and we'll put my handles.
Yes, wherever those are.
They'll be in the show notes and the blog.
Um, I'm also on Facebook and TikTok.
(55:01):
I mostly, I'm mostly on Instagram.
That's my favoritespace to engage and, um,
connect and communicate, um, andmaybe her own YouTube channel podcast.
All the things.
Soon.
We've been talking about allkinds of things, so I'm just gonna
tease, tease that, like be ready.
Oh, I do have a website.
Do
you have a website?
Oh, yes, it's on that.
(55:22):
It's, um, I'll have it below orshe'll have it wherever, but,
um, contemporary to tell.com.
Um, you can look at some work there.
Request a consult there
and, um, yeah.
Perfect.
Well, thank you.
Thanks for joining us on practicallymagic today, and uh, I will follow
up with the outro later Please.
(55:43):
Hello.
Welcome back.
We just got finished up with our Tu.
Appointment.
I just, um, got done with ourwonderful discussion with Liberty.
We continue to talk even after therecording stopped about so many
amazing things that we have analignment talking about the cosmos,
(56:09):
the shifts in energy purpose, how,um, how she has such an amazing
ability and gift that she's only only.
Begun to explore a little bit withinherself is to be able to see people's
ancestral connections and, and, um,she really is quite a mystical person,
(56:33):
even though she's just been ableto recognize that within herself.
And, uh, that's what I love so muchabout, um, go, going to her for.
Uh, my first and second tattoois just that she takes such
great care and consideration intoall of the meanings behind it.
And, and the experience ofsitting in her chair is a healing
(56:55):
experience in and of itself.
Um, so thank you so much, Liberty.
She's listening to this recordinglater, but I had such an amazing time.
Always have such a beautifulexperience with her.
And we got a chance to talk about alot of different aspects of, of being
a part of this community that we arein and what it means to, uh, to connect
(57:18):
in such deep and vulnerable ways.
So I. Be friends with all ofyour local tattoo artists.
I'm sure they're all got a story to telland they've all got, um, kind of the come
from of what brings them to what they do.
But, uh, as for today, I have myCeltic tree that I have all done, the
(57:41):
Celtic Tree Knot, which obviously is.
The, um, the Tree of Life symbol inmany, many different mythologies is
very widespread in almost every culture.
So I feel like that's kind of connecting,not just to my Celtic ancestry and the
familial lines of that, but also tohumans and to science and the, the way
(58:04):
that energy exists in the universe.
But for me in particular,it was a very Celtic.
Inspired tattoo, something that connectsme to the healing work that I do and
the storytelling work that I do inthe realm of the Celtic tradition.
And because my son's birth momhas a tattoo of his, our son's.
(58:30):
Sun sign, Gemini.
She had tattooed behind herear shortly after he was born.
I have since then always wanted tomatch that and have a tattoo at some
point that matched what she got.
Just connecting us in that sense thatwe are both mothers to the sun we
have, and um, that I very much respectand honor her as his mother and.
(58:57):
So I decided that his sign, theGemini symbol, was really perfect
for the inside of the tree.
So I got that put inside, likethe trunk of the tree and the
Gemini, uh, that seemed to allaccumulate very nicely together.
And then after.
(59:17):
Many years I had this idea inmind for a long, long time.
But after that, I also, uh, connectedvery deeply with the Visier Pisces
symbol and, uh, on the chalice.
Well, so if you are looking atthe video on YouTube now, you can
see that I had that same symbol.
I have a necklace of that symbol as well.
(59:38):
But when I was in Glastonbury andobviously we stayed at the St. Michael's
Inn, that is it at the Chalice.
Well, and I was able toreally spiritually and,
and everything else connect with thatsymbol and that the chalice, well, it
was a really powerful experience for me.
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So to honor that, that is something thatI was very much adamant about, right from.
From seeing that first thing, um, thesymbol being kind of like a Venn diagram,
but it's, uh, but it's tipped to its side.
So you have the circle aboveand you have the circle below.
This is a very ornate example of that.
Obviously it's made out of wroughtiron on the well itself, and it has the
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flowers at the bottom and it has kindof an intricate design, um, which I
thought would be beautiful as a tattooAnyway, so I wanted to copy that.
But because I have, um, my son tattooedin the Celtic tree on one side.
My other two sons are cancer, andthey have the cancer, which is the
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crab, uh, the symbol that is cancer.
It kind of has that same shapethat really fits very nicely in
the center of the Venn diagram.
It's kind of that crab like shape.
So I thought, oh my gosh,this is just perfect.
So I'm gonna get that same exact image,but I'm gonna have the cancer symbol
for my other sons in the center of that.
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Symbol as well.
So if you can see it on the video, you'llsee the cancer is there in the middle.
And um, and so now I have tattoosthat symbolize my calling, my purpose,
initiating me into what I feel is thework of Priestessing in my life, but
also a little nod and shout out tomy kids and having them be a tattoo.
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In a tattoo as well.
And so the first time I went to gosee Liberty, we had lots of great
conversations about where it cameto getting that tattoo and where
I came to the conclusion of, ofthat would be the thing that I get.
Um, if you had asked me, maybe in mytwenties if I would ever get a tattoo,
I was in a place and time in my lifewhere I was like, no, I don't think so.
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I don't think I could everlove something enough or.
Feel connected to an image so much thatI would want it on my body forever.
However, things change, peoplechange, and the truth is, I know
coming into this, at this point inmy life, that this isn't something I
would ever regret getting or having.
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Um, I did think that, you know, whenI was younger, tattoos were like, Hmm,
you know what if it's kind of like whenyou're a kid and you get a backpack.
Something you really love at that time,but by the next school year, you're not
really into that thing as much anymore.
And I, and I thought of it as therecould never be anything that I would
be so into that it would be timeless,that I would never not be into it.
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Um, for those who knew me in highschool, middle school, I would've
gotten a tattoo of X-Files.
That was my end all be all IX-Files was everything to me loved.
X-Files the show.
So much so I would've had XFilestattoos on me, and I still love XFiles.
I think it's a great show.
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Still watch it sometimes whenI'm, you know, feeling nostalgic.
But the truth is, I don't think Iwould've loved a tattoo of XFiles on me.
Now.
So I do think that this is something that,for me is part of the initiation process
in feeling like I have come into myselfand into a place, although I've never,
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I've, I'm never going to just arrive at aplace where I'm an ordained priestess with
someone else's authority bestowed upon me.
The fact of the matter, isingis something that is just a
calling through life that we do.
We are people devoted to serving self,serving others, and serving source.
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And that is where I, um, I feel that aslong as I continue on that path, I, um,
I'm allowed to call myself priestess.
And I, and I do, I have given myselfthat title and I think that that's,
that's the way that it should be.
So hopefully this has givenyou some experience into what.
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What this process could be like, whoyou meet and the experiences that you
have with them that can be much morethan ordinary, that even tattooing,
which some people engage with as justan aesthetic thing where they're just
getting art, being put on their bodies.
Um, everything that we do, no matter what.
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No matter what it is, no matterwhat we engage in day to day or
our mundane activities, that wecan find connection spiritually and
emotionally through those experiences.
So I hope that you go through yourday after listening to this episode
and say, how can I make this day?
Magical and importantand sacred in some way.
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So I want you to think aboutthat as you go through it and be
the magical person that you are.
Find the magic and the findthe mystical in this day today.
So go make magic, witches andwizards and we'll see you next time.
Hello, and welcome to Practically Magic.
I am Courtney Pearl, your Celticpriestess and ancestral healer.
Today is going to be a very,very extra special episode.
You are going to be particularlyinterested if you are watching the video.
So if you typically listen on audio,I would suggest popping over or
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late waiting till later and go checkout the video on YouTube because.
I am going to be taking this podcast to mytattoo artist for my tattoo appointment.
I know when I first started seeingLiberty, we just had so much in common and
so many really cool in-depth conversationsabout spirituality and ancestral
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healing and connection and traditions.
And I was like, why amI not recording this?
This is excellent stuff.
So while I, uh, made an appointment to goin today, I reached out to her and said,
would you be a guest on my podcast andrecord with me while you are tattooing me?
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Oh.
Fantastic.
So this is actually going to bea really cool episode, and we're
going to head there next, but whatI'm gonna do before we do that is
pull a card for today's episode.
I'm actually gonna pull two cardsfor this episode today because I
am gonna pull out my magical Nordictarot deck as we're talking about
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ancestral things a little bit.
Um.
And that will come up, uh, along withmany other things that we're just gonna
see where the conversation takes us.
But I have some Nordicancestry and so does Liberty.
We've talked about that before.
So I want to pull a card fromthis particular deck, and then I'm
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also going to pull a card from oneof my new Oracle decks, so, Hmm.
Very interesting.
The card that we have for today's episodeis going to be the two of wands, and
the word that this particular deck hasassociated with the two of wands is unity.
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So in that aspect, it's gonna bevery fascinating to see all of these.
All of these aspects of our livesthat we find separated or in conflict
with each other are coming intoa phase of really being united.
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Um.
It's interesting because even Liberty willtalk a little bit about her ancestral,
uh, past and how she comes from onher father's side and her mother's
side come from very different partsof the world and um, obviously came in
connection for her to become who she is.
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A lot of people are coming intoconnection, not just um, from a cultural
aspect or an ancestral aspect, but we'realso talking a lot right now about the
unity between the ancestral practicesor remembering and reclaiming that.
In combination with modern day thingsin coming into, what does that look
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like for us in a, as we navigate thismodern world, as we come into the
age of information and technology?
And then, you know, and then beyondthat, where is this all leading us to?
So the, the two of ones I oftenassociate with beginnings of
things and these duality ofthings, and in particular, the one.
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Uh, part of the tarot I associatewith the error element or
communication and mentality.
So I think for me, I am reading thiscard to be a message to you that
things that were previously seen asopposites, or it's either this way or
this way, you are going to come intoa space of unity with those two ideas.
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That it isn't one or theother, that sometimes it's.
Some in between.
Some both aspect of this.
The pendulum that swung far out oneway or swung far out another way.
It's gonna come into balance alittle bit more with those two
dualities, especially when comingto the idea of those two ideas.
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It's gonna come together.
Now the.
Other deck I have for us todayis gonna be the healing spirits.
I just got this deck recently and thisis an Oracle deck, so it's going to be
very, um, very plain and clear about whichcard it's going to bring forward for us.
Um, these ones actually just have aphrase on the card, so you don't have
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to do a whole lot of, uh, reading intoit, but it's gonna tell you something.
So what I've pulled for us today.
I will show you on videowhat this card looks like.
It has a lot of red, it has kindof, uh, what looks to be a younger
child's soul in all of this red,ethereal, um, sort of image.
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And then it has kind of what I perceiveto be an older person or an older soul
that's like guiding the younger soul.
And it says.
It is always okay to ask forguidance when the way is unclear.
We cannot do this journey alone.
I think that tapping into yourown intuition and your own
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connections is really powerful.
It's very empowering and I hopethat in the work that I do, I am
more someone who can help people beempowered to make choices and to know
their path for themselves, but also.
The realm of guidance and peoplewho can guide us exists too.
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My job or my purpose, or fulfilling myrole and calling in this world is not
to say I know better than anyone else,but that that because of the knowledge
and experience that I have put atthe forefront of my life, hopefully
gives me some abilities and some giftsto be able to guide people through.
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And so I am not always gonna know theright and clear path for me because
I have my own ego and I have my owntraumas and experiences that ca,
that catch me in my, in my journeyand make me feel lost or confused.
Um, I cannot see all solutions.
I cannot see all paths.
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So I. I have to be willing to set myego aside at times and be able to say,
I'm going to need some guidance orhelp in this, and seeking a healer,
seeking a professional, or seeking aguide in something that I need to do.
So don't be afraid if at any pointyou feel like I've done all of this
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healing work, I've done a lot onmyself to empower myself and to feel
like I know what's right for me.
But when I come up again,something I. Don't know what to
do or I feel out of my element.
Don't be afraid to reach out and it maybe reaching out to something or someone
that is not in this physical realm.
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Spirit guides your angels.
Whatever you particularly happento believe in, they are there for
the purpose of guiding you as well.
Um, so that's what I think thatcard is going to give us a sense
of today as we go into our.
Let's go on over to theappointment this morning.
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We're gonna go over to Exodus that isover in South Jordan on Redwood Road,
and we are going to meet with Liberty.
I'm so excited.
Here we go.
This is Liberty.
She's gonna be doing my tattoo today.
My tattoo.
That's not here, then we're, it's not.
I'm just
kidding.
It's a, that's a figmentof your imagination.
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Alright, one second.
This will be great.
A lot of people though, havebeen telling me, they're like,
oh my gosh, that's fresh.
That looks so good.
How do you notice you feel about it?
I feel great about it.
Good.
I, I think there was just like maybea day or a moment after I first got
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both of them, I think that I was like.
Oh my gosh, these areon my body now forever.
There was just this like almost
regret, like a paying it.
Like it's, yeah, but it's not
regret.
'cause I'm like, I, Iknow I don't regret it.
Mm-hmm.
But there was just this like,that's, that wasn't on my body
before and now it is forever, I feel
like.
So for us, us, oh man, here I go.
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For us who are a little bit, uh, twisted.
That's fair.
It's, it's like an addiction becauseyou almost get adjusted to it.
Okay.
And then you kind of just keep buildinglike, and you're like, what else?
Yeah, it's what's next?
It's almost like you are blind towhat you already have, and then you're
like, oh, but I need to have something.
And then you become blind to that andthen, oh, I need to have something.
And then you're blind to thatand then before you know it,
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okay, you're, that makes sense.
You're covered with sharks and, yeah.
Yeah.
I can see it.
Ready?
Yes.
Now I know what to expect.
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Mm-hmm.
So
remind me was, is this your first tattoo?
This is my first tattoo I have
to, uh, catch myself on.
So remind me, we areworking on my first tattoo.
Yeah.
What's your, uh,
remind me what your initialpurpose for this is.
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Yeah, why?
So this is the one that I've had on the,on my idea for the last 10 years probably.
I have this necklace.
So for those of you who just listento audio only, this episode's going
to be a a go to YouTube episode.
You're gonna need to gosee what we're doing.
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I had a Celtic tree, um necklace.
That I loved for a long time.
I actually lost the original, this isthe second one, but loved the design,
loved the imagery of it, and then Istarted getting into Celtic Spirituality
and mythology, and then it was like,I've gotta have this on my body.
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So it took this long for me to finally doit, and I needed to find an artist that
I felt understood the initiation process.
Which is why I went to Liberty.
She understands cultural tattoos.
Do you wanna tell a littlebit about your background on
that?
The initiation process is sucha cultural phenomenon that we
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kinda left behind, isn't it?
Mm-hmm.
In a way, you know, it's not sociallypracticed anymore on like the large scale.
Um,
yeah.
But you probably get even peoplewho maybe wouldn't classify
themselves as spiritual or Oh, right.
When they do get a tattoo and they maybeinitially did it just for aesthetics.
Mm-hmm.
It is.
I I think they go through initiation.
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I think so too.
Getting a tattoo,
you know, your sphere, your social, um,you know, your people, your tribe that
you have built up and then you go geta marking and you, they acknowledge it.
Right.
Is that not the basisof like a initiation?
Mm-hmm.
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So my
connection to this practiceis, um, so I've been an
artist since I, my whole life.
Um, and I, um, my dad's fromTonga and my mom is from Utah.
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Her family's been here for some time.
You know, very,
how would you say.
Uh, Caucasian.
You know, that's, youknow, the, it's okay.
You can say whitewashed.
Uh, yeah.
And, and here's thing, vanilla.
I'm just kidding.
I think that's me.
Think, you know, my family's beenin Utah for some time and mm-hmm.
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They have, they have arich, beautiful history.
Right.
It's, there's a lot of darknessin that too, but like, I don't
know, as, as all cultures do.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I, I'm not gonna discountone side over the other.
For sure.
I think, um, I don't know, there's a lotof, I'm not quite sure how to word that.
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Uh, there's a lot of conversations tobe had in that subject, isn't there?
Yes.
Yeah.
Which is why I have like 50 episodesof my podcast to talk about.
I can spur
off in so many differentways with this, but um,
it's complex
for sure.
It's complex.
Yes.
My, my purpose for tattooing isconnected more to my father's.
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Mm-hmm.
Um, culture, which is, you know, Tongaand it, there's a lot of, uh, maybe
lost practice in our culture from thelast 200 years and, and me getting into
tattooing was kind of a calling, if youwill, to use my talents and my skillset.
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To help bring something back.
Mm-hmm.
And in that, in, um, you know, doingsomething for that part of my culture,
uh, I found kind of like just theconnection to all humanity, right?
Yes.
Like we've all had, we all haveancestors who did this at one point.
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It's not just one culture.
It's, yes, it's, it'sa culture of humankind.
Yeah, to practice something marking,initiation, you know, marking the
body and it, it's like drumming.
Yeah.
You, you can't find a culture that insound, you know, you go back far enough.
Drumming was an incrediblyspiritual practice of, yeah.
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Connecting with the soundand a, a beat, a heartbeat,
a beat within a community, right?
Mm-hmm.
It's like a mm-hmm.
Yeah, exactly.
Dance, music, art.
I think that those are symptomsof humankind From the beginning
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I felt that the, everyone is kind ofgoing through a shift of reclaiming that.
Yes.
And if they're not, I feellike they're resisting it.
Mm-hmm.
Hardcore.
Right.
But for those who are awakened to it,those that are like willing to see that
they're wanting to reengage with thoselike ancient practices of their people.
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Mm-hmm.
And like mm-hmm.
I'm going, I wanna reclaim that.
I wanna remember what that was.
I think there's a lot of us who, who
feels it still within us?
We feel something that's not beingpracticed and we're drawn to it.
You know, you know, you, you,you have a talent, right?
If you, if you tend to, oh, Isee a drawing that I really like.
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Oh, I wanna recreate that.
And you try to find a waywithin yourself to create it.
That's.
Honing a skill.
It's honing an art that's, you know,but like I think there's a lot of
dormant cultural practice that wefeel, and it comes out in skillset.
It's
still alive in us.
Yes.
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And we're just trying to find it.
And it's drives purpose and passion.
Yeah.
I've been having conversationslike that a lot with people,
especially because we are the.
Daybreak network.
Mm-hmm.
There's a lot of people starting theirown things and leaving their corporate
jobs or, and they're like, I know I canmake money doing this or like having
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this job, but there's so many thatare coming to us in our groups and
community and saying, I just feel apassion for this, and I like, there's
the money I really wanna drive anymore.
It's, it's something deeper.
Yeah.
And we're all tired, Ithink, of sacrificing.
Well, let's think about our purpose.
That's a whole other deep, deep rabbithole we could follow down is, is like how
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unnatural it is to live the way we are.
You know, we're raised tobelieve we should be living.
Mm-hmm.
Working to retire oneday and eventually live.
Mm-hmm.
I don't, I don't know.
I think that's, um, abackwards way of thinking.
Yeah.
That's like the parable.
Uh, maybe I told you this,the one with the, the fishing,
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the guys fishing, oh, I dunno.
I'm gonna mess it up 'causeI'm trying to remember it.
But they, you know, there's, Ithink there's like a group of
guys in, in Italy or somethingand they, they fish all morning.
They sell their fish in the afternoonand then, you know, they hang out with
their families and they, you know.
Do their thing.
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And these like, uh, businessmencome and say, you know, if you
fish all day, you would have enoughmoney to buy a boat and hire some
people and then start your company.
And then you would have this,and you'd have this, and you know
this, like if you just work harder.
Um, and then you'd have, you know,a million dollars and sell your
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company event, you know, one day.
And then they were like.
And then what?
What would I do then?
And they're like, well, thenyou could just like fish for
half the day, shoot what you'redoing, hang out with your family.
And they're like, we do that anyway.
We're just gonna keepdoing that and be happy.
I think that that's actuallyjust something very relatable
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within like my culture is
in, in the islands.
You know, particularly, I'm gonnaspeak on my father's behalf.
Um, he grew up in a thatched hut,like, you know, in, he grew up in
a pre-modern experience society.
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Um, when he came to the US inthe seventies, you know, he
left, he had left that home.
Um,
he had left his community with it lookingone way, and now he hasn't been back.
Wow.
You know, now you can see it onGoogle Maps and stuff, and, and
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it's, it's almost like an entirelydifferent, it's modernized, you
know, it's, it's something new.
And I think, I can't help but think,you know, we've had these conversations,
um, with my, my father where, you know,it was a simple life and he worked
so hard to build something modern andthis new legacy for his family and.
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You know, now we all talk about, let'sgo and do this basic, simple living.
Yeah.
Let's go live in a badhouse and hang out on
beaches.
And
that
is the dream.
Right?
You know, when I was younger, sign me up,engaged and about ready to start my life.
I had spoken to my dad about, oh, I wouldlike to go to Thena for our honeymoon.
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He is like, you don't wanna go there.
That's you're, you live in paradise.
Why would you wanna go there?
But it's like my view of Oma is paradise.
Paradise.
His view is he, he kind of gotaway from it to get to paradise.
This is his paradise.
Yeah.
So it's a very, you can of modernliving and stuff, but you, I can see
both perspectives and that's, you know,again, the grass is always greener Right.
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Kind of a thing.
Mm-hmm.
But we're all trained to re reclaim.
That and get back to that and belike, remember when we didn't have
bones that could get a hold ofus, like everywhere all the time?
You know?
Right.
Just kind of that unplug is our vacation,
but when you live in that, completelyunplugged from the modern, you
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know, the what's considered tobe upscale, modern first world.
Mm-hmm.
It you, you are living, you are ahave not you, you are living without.
Yeah.
So your dream is to have whatthe rest of the world Yeah.
You know, this upper level of living has.
But you know, I think it's theconcept of who has the upper
living, who actually is living Yeah.
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Versus working to live, I don't know.
Very true.
And that's, you know, balance.
Hopeful we can get back to balance wherewe swing the pendulum too far one way.
Yeah.
Right.
And you, uh, did.
Did you tell me that you had gotten atattoo like in the old traditional way?
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Yes, so that's actually somethingthat was like a catalyst in
getting me into the tattoo world.
So being an artist my whole life,I kind of always just avoided it.
The tattoo industry seemed sounappealing to me, too dark, too
angry to this, to that, that whichI just knew with my personality.
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Yeah, the struggles of my life thatthat wasn't the type of energy I
wanted to be in, because being inthat energy would make me that energy.
Mm-hmm.
So I was just kind of avoided it.
People would tell me all the time,you need to tattoo, you should, you
need to bring your talent into this.
But I, I literally just likeavoided it like the plague.
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Um, then, so growing up.
It's always been a conversation piecein the Polynesian community here in
Utah and maybe mostly the the Hakai,which are the Half Bloods, gans, US
Half Bloods, always wishing to have aconnection to this, you know, culture.
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But there's always beenmurmurs and in talks of.
People bringing back the old way, the oldtraditional way of tattooing, which was
tapping hand, tapping hand taps, tattoos.
Yeah.
And you know, me being in Utah, notgrowing up in, in the islands, not
growing up in Hawaii, I always heardof these things, these people doing it
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and just looking up to it, you know,my brothers and I would talk about it.
Um, and then I'm trying tofigure out how this went.
In 2020, we had a trip toHawaii planned, but of course
it got canceled because mm-hmm.
The world experiencedcovid the apocalypse.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
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Um, and so in 2021, was it 2021 or 2022?
I don't remember.
We finally had that trip,and during that time, I was
thinking during the time of not.
Living in the world.
Right.
With, with Covid happening, I kind ofknew I wanna do something significant
when I finally do make it back.
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So in 2021, when I, we planned our trip,we kind of made a last minute plan.
It was January when we made the planand the tickets were from March.
It was kind of a quickturnaround ish for us anyways.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I had kind of on a whimjust looked up if there was
traditional tattoos happening.
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Uh, in Hawaii, in Oahu, when, when wewere going and I saw that there was,
and so I just started reaching out.
Um, my first choice was to Keone Nunes.
Nunes.
Um, I reached out to him to see if hewas doing it and had an availability and.
He responded back very quicklyand said, unfortunately, he
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doesn't live there anymore.
He lives in Thailand,you know, but Oh wow.
But that response, like, that choiceto send that message and then his quick
response was kind of the kickoff tofinding that he has a graduate doing
it there and, um, to reach out to him.
So I did, I reached out toKamala and, um, he, we kind of
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in, we, we began the process.
To his protocol, their protocol,um, to receive my markings.
Uh, ultimately I did, you know, I,I got to experience, um, the office
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ceremony and laying on the mat andreceiving my markings and, you know,
understanding how the markings symbolizemy journey in this world and my
lineage and connection to the land and.
My purpose.
Um, so yeah, it was, uh,a rebirth, if you will.
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Yes.
And um, when I left, I remember sendinga message when I came home, sorry.
Uh, I remember sending a messageto Kiana saying, I hope you choose,
like you teach somebody in the Tongancommunity so that we can revive it
within our, this community, you know?
(25:31):
Yeah.
And, um,
literally after pushingsend, I was sitting there
realizing, oh, that needs to be me.
Like I, I just need to do this.
So calling, yeah, that was, that was mysecond rebirth moment was, oh, I do belong
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in this situation, in this industry.
I do have a purpose in this.
I have skill sets that canget me somewhere, that can do
something for my community.
And you know, before I feel like it wasa little bit skewed to just my community.
Mm-hmm.
Now being, you know, getting a greatapprenticeship with a great group of
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artists here at Exodus Tattoo, I, um,realize it's not just my community,
you know, my Tongan community.
It's a much broader
mm-hmm.
Uh, experience of just human,human culture, you know?
Yeah.
So, and that's my Seeking someoneout was more like, I need someone
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I know and feel, and trustunderstands that, that part of it.
So even not even knowing all ofthat, which I did not know, but
I'm like, I know that this is goingto be the experience I wanna have,
and this is, you know, I've waited.
How did, how did you know that love?
Well, I think in just seeing someof the art that you'd already
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done, some, uh, tattoos thatyou'd done, I was like, oh, okay.
Okay.
I, I'm ready.
She's on the same, this is it.
Yeah.
Like, I'm ready to, toget this on the schedule.
I had said I was gonna get a tattoo.
The tattoos I'd wantedfor a long time already.
Um, I'm like, 2024 is my year.
I'm doing it.
Mm-hmm.
And then 2024 came and went and,you know, new Year's happened
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and I was like, oh shoot.
Oh, will that one, whoops.
Yeah.
I didn't even make, I didn't even keepthe promise to myself, so it was kind
of just like, okay, it's happening.
It's gotta happen now.
Mm-hmm.
I have to do this.
Did you see in the
daybreak page is that,
um, one of my, our mutual friends haddinner, a tattoo with you and, uh, I
think they posted pictures and, and thenI think I just started looking at your.
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Stuff off your profile and picturesand stuff, and I thought, okay, good.
This feels right.
Mm-hmm.
Um, not that I could, like inmy Celtic spirituality, go out
and find a Celtic tattoo artist.
Right.
I mean, maybe they probably are out there.
Yeah.
Maybe.
But like you said, it's human.
Yeah.
Um, you know, and I would nevercome and get a Tongan tattoo Right.
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When I'm not Tongan.
So I wanted to be respectfulof, you know, and someone who
understands that that's mm-hmm.
S you know, respectful of our ancestralheritage and where we come from.
And, um, but it was like that for me too.
I see a lot of people, a rebirth,like a, um, for me, I had set
certain standards about my work as apriestess and like I wasn't just gonna
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go out and get these tattoos just
for men.
Like, here, I'm gonnagive you these markings.
Yeah.
You need to find somebody wholike treats them as sacred
as you treat
them.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Yeah.
'cause for me it was, it was a processof have I studied, have I worked, have
I learned, have I, do I understandwhat the meaning of the, the tattoo is?
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Do I, you're following your own protocol.
Yeah.
And it's not that there is a, anyone elsetelling me, like, right, this is what
you have to happen in order to do this.
But I laid it out for myself.
And I was ready for that.
This one I've been thinkingabout for almost 10 years.
And then the other one, which we'll show,uh, was only in the last couple of years.
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Oh, okay.
That I was like, okay,that's the other one.
Mm-hmm.
That's how did you alwaysknow there was gonna be two
or feel there was gonna be two?
I think
I did, because I think, and,and we worked on this one.
I'm totally revealing, revealing.
We did this, like we worked onthis one and then it was a few
weeks before we did the other one.
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And so I had one for a while andum, and I did feel like during
that time, like, I'm imbalanced.
Mm-hmm.
I need like, it's incomplete almostas if they are the same part of
the same tattoo, but they're twoseparate, two different places.
But just that they weremeant to be together.
They were meant to be together.
Yeah.
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Ooh, I like that.
Yeah, and you're very intuitive.
Naturally, we've talked about her veryempathic, open-minded connection to spirit
and spiritual realms, and she's, and
I don't even fully understandit, doesn't understand it,
but she's totally like, we've hadconversations during tattooing
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where she's like, I see.
I feel, I know, I know.
And I'm like, that is exactly right.
That is exactly how it is.
Most people can do that,but don't trust it enough.
I guess.
I think something that I've experiencedis that I, I just didn't know that it
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wasn't a thing that everyone experiences.
Mm-hmm.
So then when I started get that,you know, experiencing kind of
more significant levels of it.
Mm-hmm.
And, um, being around otherswho have more education on it.
While I was going through theseexperiences and they're telling me like,
whoa, yeah, you should do this more.
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You know, it kind of clicked inlike, oh, this is something special
to me, for me that I should exploremore and not just discount it as,
oh, everybody dreams like this.
Oh, everybody does this,
you know, astral projects.
Mm-hmm.
And, um, astral travels during.
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Oh, during sleep?
Yes.
And things like that, which I thinkeverybody does in some sense or another.
They just maybe don't, you know,and everyone's different in
how they Right experience it.
But I was, I was similar in thatI've probably always been very much
in a spiritual realm my whole life,and I didn't know that that's not
something that everybody experiences.
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So I'm like, you guys all,um, you know, pretend.
This or that, or visualizethis or see these things when
you're out and about, right?
Mm mm-hmm.
Like the energy of trees, you guys allcan see and feel energy of trees, right?
Mm-hmm.
And people are like,that's weird, Courtney.
Interesting.
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That's really cool.
You're strange person.
I'm like, oh, I'm, but I remember beinga small kid and when I didn't have any
friends to play with, I would go climbtrees and then I would talk to the trees.
Yeah.
And the trees would be my friends.
So I was like, never lonely.
'cause I was like, well, we're just,I'm playing with the trees today.
And you were always connectedto the life source of Earth.
(32:39):
Mm-hmm.
I thought that was justwhat everybody did,
I guess.
Don't do actually.
So this is, I recently had aconversation with somebody, uh,
here, where they were talking about,well, how they wanted to understand.
If there are colors that help youfeel, and I was like, well, of course.
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Mm-hmm.
That's my whole work, you know?
I feel, that's all I do.
I feel all the colors.
And he's like, what are you saying?
And so we dug into that andhe's like, I just want you to
know that not everybody feels.
I'm like, wait, what?
I'm like, well,
they can, it's interesting.
Yeah.
It's possible.
Yeah.
Healing colors.
That's all.
The work that I do with healing workis I'll be like, what color is it?
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What color is the feeling you're having?
What connections?
You know, are we making there?
That's how we do the healing through art.
We paint out our colors and our feelings.
Exactly.
And people are tapped into itwhen they are allowed to be.
They're more tapped into itthan they think they are.
Yeah.
Because they'll look at me kind ofstrange when I say, what color is it?
They go color.
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I'm talking about emotions.
And I'm like, just what color is it?
Just first thing that comes to your mind.
Yeah.
And they're like, uh, I guess it's orange.
And then I'm like, okay,here's what I know about that.
And then we'll move, movethrough the energy that way.
And you not even having studiedenergy work necessarily in talking
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to your clients while they're gettinga tattoo and asking what does this
tattoo mean to you and how you, andthen you're infusing that as you
tattoo, which I think is incredible.
It's energy work.
Yeah.
I mean, in, in the Polynesian culture,there's this, it's called mana.
I mean, we.
In, in the old days, only theSacred Chiefs were allowed to
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have and use and obtain mana.
It was a, a force.
Hmm.
And you know, of coursethere was different levels
of still each other's mana.
You know, it gets a little extremeand dark in that conversation.
But, um, mana is, is like, is a power.
It's an energy and, um.
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Something, you know, in themodern day, what I'm doing
here is I, how do I put this?
I have a lot of energy.
I, I have booming energy that I canshare, and I, I like to think of what
I do as like an energy exchange here.
Mm-hmm.
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You know, this is a transactionof sorts in sharing mana.
And, you know, you come to me tospill your blood willingly and
share your blood with me, and I'msharing with you, you know, a new
form of yourself when you leave.
And, um, yeah mama, that's,that's what we kind of call it.
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So
I love that.
Incredible.
I think intuitively your, yourDNA knew Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
You knew.
I think this is something passed on to
you for sure.
To.
Incredible.
And doing gen genealogywork back to my culture.
Mm-hmm.
Um, a lot of our history waspassed down through oral tradition.
(35:57):
It wasn't passed down through records.
You know, written record.
Written record is such a, a moremodern European approach to history.
Um, so in doing genealogy,I've, uh, found and.
Consumed a lot of oral recordthat has been put down in mm-hmm.
(36:20):
Written record nowadays,um, of my lineages.
And so I have been able to learnof what my ancestors possessed in
their mana and how they, um, managedthe world around them at the time.
And, um, it, it, itwas, it's an immediate.
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Um, opportunity to like relate it towho I am and where I came from, um,
and what they passed on to me and I,yeah, I can't help but being a person
who is connected to a more spirituallife experience, I can't help but like,
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think of it as a inheritance, right?
Yeah.
I inherited these.
This big booming energy from my ancestors.
Mm-hmm.
For sure.
I think we all have that.
Right?
But you kind of have to bejust open to tapping into it.
Mm-hmm.
Or maybe
nurturing that it's there already.
Yeah.
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Some kind of a passion ordrive even just a curiosity.
Mm-hmm.
I think that more and morepeople are coming around to that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I feel like there's just.
There's demographics of people thathaven't awakened to it yet, but I think
that they're grasping so strongly Yeah.
To maybe modern things that they'rejust like, no, I can't, I can't.
(37:49):
Well, I think a lot of answer that call.
It's like, I, I don't want things tochange and I don't wanna look at that,
and so I'm just gonna hold tight to what,
what
I
have.
I think there's a
lot
of guilt, um, in strayingfrom religion and faith.
You know, they almost see it Yeah.
As something againstfaith threatening to that.
Yeah.
Or against their reality.
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And it keeps them from exploring it.
I don't, I don't know that itneeds to be against somebody's
no.
Religion or
Yeah.
And it's a lot of people, um, in, in thecircles of people that I know that are,
you know, reclaiming their ancestry.
(38:30):
Um, they have Northern Europeanancestry that they're connecting with.
Mm-hmm.
And then they have, youknow, like you another side.
So you are kind of comingto a marriage of both.
Yeah.
In the respect of both, while they'realso, sometimes there's so many parallels.
(38:50):
Yeah.
I
mean, again, I think itcomes down to belief.
I think a lot of people believe insomething that, uh, indicates that.
A lot of, you know, things from10,000, 20,000, 70,000 years
ago were not real necessarily.
Mm-hmm.
That's unfortunate.
'cause I think if you can, ifyou allow yourself to tap into
those things, you can realize like
(39:14):
where you come from.
Mm-hmm.
Basic,
basic source of who we are and howmuch of that makes us who we are.
Mm-hmm.
So much of us that we can deny or.
And maybe how much we don't need
to evolve.
Like, do we need to keeppushing the envelope?
Can't we just be fishermen?
(39:35):
Yes.
Some people are just really,really happy just fishing for
the, what they need for the day.
Mm-hmm.
And then that's it.
I'm constantly in a battlewith myself about that.
Constantly looking at myschedule and being like, wait,
did I wanna be this busy?
Mm-hmm.
What was the reason I putthis much on my schedule?
And then it was like.
Oh, yeah.
(39:55):
I thought that, you know, maybeI needed to be making money.
I thought that I, that's what successwas, and I got a little wrapped up in
that instead of just being like, what doI want my day to day life to look like?
Yep.
Yep.
So back into balance and I'mjust constantly swinging like
a little pendulum like that.
Yeah.
I've, I've recently been trying toconvert my husband to the idea that
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we, we don't retire with money, right?
Yeah.
We don't need to retire.
You may not subscribe to this.
This notion of having alot of money to retire.
It's, it's just a, it's a mentalconstruct that I don't necessarily
feel I need to fall into.
So I'm convincing, I'm slowly, slowlybut surely getting my husband on that
(40:40):
end with me is, let's, let's retireand go live off the land somewhere.
Because truthfully, even all the hardwork that you put into it and all of the,
you know, maybe the savings and things.
Um, there are no guarantees.
Mm-hmm.
And I know a lot of people in my parents'generation that worked so hard Oh my gosh.
(41:00):
Saved so hard, sacrificed so much.
They're still, and they lost everything.
And they're like, they, you know, usedup their savings during covid just to
survive or they're, you know, and, andthey're forced to retire because no
one will hire a 65, 70-year-old mm-hmm.
You know, at this point.
So they're like.
In, in a situation where they'relike, okay, so what was it all for?
(41:22):
I'm still in a position where Ihave to figure it out and yeah.
I I am still without, I'm still without.
Yeah.
So I think our notion couldhave been that your thirties and
forties and fifties were like
enjoyable.
Yes.
Our notion of comfort is a,
(41:42):
is make believe.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
It's built on.
That's really scary for a lot of people.
But I think you get comfortable orfeel a little more comfortable with
uncertainty, you realize it's not,not the worst thing in the world.
It's,
it's okay.
You know, I found out somethingabout myself during Covid.
(42:04):
I thrived, huh?
Like, I, I Good.
I thrived during, um, turmoil.
And I think there's probably a lotmore that can be talked into there.
I know there's a lot ofchildhood issues there.
But anyways, back to back to the now,um, I, you know, through Covid I felt
(42:29):
alive and I knew that I could survive andthrive and do very well in that situation.
I did, you know, I think,um, I have a strange.
Desire, maybe not desire,but comfort with discomfort.
(42:52):
Mm. Like when we had the earthquake.
Mm-hmm.
I was ready to go, like I was like,okay, I'm already prepared for Covid.
Let's just, let's just suggest a little.
I know.
I remember
that being such a big deal herein Utah that everything shut down.
Everybody was home thenwe had this earthquake.
That was something we were not used to.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I remember being like.
(43:14):
Well, the world's ending.
Well, here we go.
I don't remember panicking or likefeeling, you know, totally shook.
I just was like, well, yeah.
What else?
Bring it on.
I don't know.
Yes, we go.
I think there's a level of
like,
well, this, we're already ready.
(43:35):
Yeah, but I think I was already readybefore a lot of other people were.
I was, I was already ready.
Yeah.
For the zombie apocalypse.
Yeah.
Like, I gotta feeling, but um, as I splashall my ink everywhere, edit that out.
Keeping on it in Oh.
Um, yeah, I think there, these, a littlebit of me is like, oh man, I wish we
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could have some crazy situation again.
Where I'm like, feeling great.
On top of the world.
Yeah.
I thought that it would reallybe a catalyst for change.
And maybe it is, maybe it's just takingtime too for the universe to catch up.
But the idea of, Hey, maybe we all worktoo hard, slow down that like the time
(44:24):
people got to spend at home with theirfamily because they had no other choice.
It was like stay home.
That is exactly work from home.
Yes.
And then everybody went,oh my gosh, I am working.
For someone else, you know?
Not for my, not for my, my life away.
Yeah.
And I, I feel like people really shifted.
They were like, time with familyis where it is at, where it's
(44:46):
important or time for myself andmy hobbies and things I love to do.
'cause we were forced to belike, you can't go anywhere.
You can't go, you can't be distracted.
You have to sit with yourstillness and your boredom.
And I thought it was great.
Yeah.
I mean, I thought, me too.
This is it.
Yep.
This is what the earth needs.
We need a cleansing, weneed a flood or a fire.
(45:08):
We need a big cataclysmic and bend.
Not that I
want people to hurt.
No.
Right.
It's, I just wanted a shift.
I wanted something toforce us into a shift.
So yeah, it's, it's obviouslyunfortunate all of the harm.
Right.
And the.
You know when something really terriblehappens and all the people are affected,
(45:33):
the casualties of an event like that.
Yeah, yeah.
And that's the demented one who'slike, oh, I did really well.
Yeah.
I don't, I don't think there'sanything wrong with that.
That sounds great at all.
The situation.
But that's a strength of characterin, you know, for people who maybe
(45:53):
have been through trauma or havebeen through things in their life
that's like, this is where I shine.
Yeah.
I'm doing great.
Sorry about you guys.
Yeah.
But we look to those peopleand go, help us through this.
Like lead us through this for the peoplewhose lives were maybe a little too cushy.
Yeah.
They don't know what to do.
They panic, like help.
(46:16):
Now what?
Yeah, I think this isgonna go really deep.
Being a child with trauma,I, um, made pain my ally.
You know, it was kind of one ofthose things that was like, oh, okay,
well I'm feeling pain from this.
Hmm.
So I'm gonna control it instead, like,I'm not gonna let it hurt me anymore.
(46:40):
Mm-hmm.
Uh, you know, disassociating is mm-hmm.
Part of that too, you know?
Right.
So, yeah, I think, um, tattooswas definitely a symptom of
the like, Ooh, I had this pain.
This makes me feel alive insteadof being broken down and being
created into some art piece.
Mm. You know, that's
(47:00):
an, yeah, that's an interesting, that'slike whole other perspective of it.
Two.
I feel like I lookedat it, um, for myself.
I don't like to be uncomfortable.
I'm
not one who would be like, shouldgo out in the cold and suffer Cold.
(47:22):
Cold is where I drop a wine.
I'm chilly.
I wanna go inside.
I've always been kinda a babyabout that stuff, but I, I
thought about like when I was.
Facing childbirth and how I felt aboutthat and was like, oh man, I'm so ready.
I'm so like, oh, just put me in coach.
(47:42):
I'm ready.
And then being like, I get to movethrough that experience with everything
that that's gonna feel like, and then,you know, be rebirth as a mom on the
other side and, and then the tattoo,knowing that's not gonna be comfy.
Yeah.
Which, you know, even rightnow, it's like a little.
Some, there's some discomfort.
(48:03):
Little discomfort.
Yeah.
Nothing I can't handle, but I'mlike, um, I'm also not opting to get
a tattoo in a place that's reallypainful, either got 'em all over, I'm
like, oh,
I wanna get on my
face.
Fixed
with people that have, I'm like behindtheir ears or somewhere that I think, or
there's like a lot of color lids there.
Yeah.
(48:24):
I'm like, Ooh.
Not that I wouldn't do it, I
might, but I, so here'sthe thing is I like.
The mental space that I haveto be in to get through it.
Mm-hmm.
It's a comfortable place for me.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, feeling all those endorphinsand all the dopamine and everything
happening, the adrenaline, that'sa, that's a weird, fun place to be.
(48:49):
Yeah.
I could see that maybe, maybe that'ssomething that's passed down to, you know,
excitement in the way that you.
I get that.
Like I'm ready to go into battle almost.
Yeah.
And it sounds really weird,but like in Polynesia, our
ancestors were very much, um,
(49:14):
battling, you know?
Mm-hmm.
There was a lot of war and a lotof conflict while there was a lot
of beauty and, you know, growingculture that, you know, that's
exactly what kind of fueled it is.
The movement through the islands was.
There was conflict between chiefsand, you know, village leaders and
(49:36):
yeah, this is warrior spirit.
So there is like a level of
I living in a stagnant experience of lifeis a very unnatural thing, I think for
everybody, but.
Particularly people who arecoming from cultures that are
still new to the modern era.
(49:58):
Mm-hmm.
Because it was only two generationsago where, I don't know, it was living
a lot more hard and Yeah, difficult.
Yeah.
And even here in the US there'sa level of difficulty that was
happening two generations ago.
Different, right.
But I know it's crazy
to think about.
(50:19):
How really very new, yeah.
What this country is and inthe way that it looks now
us is just an angsty teen.
Just a little angsty teen going through.
Its going through its stuff.
That's a nice way to look at.
(50:39):
Oh,
nice.
I went a little
bit farther into touching upthan I was necessary, but it
was like I. She got in the zone.
Really got in the zone there.
Like I'm gonna hit that littleguy real quick and then we'll be
ready to move on to the other side.
(51:01):
Do you think you're done with tattoos?
I have no idea.
I feel like I'm good for now.
Yeah, but never say never.
Right.
Just be careful not tofall off the edge of
mindless tattooing.
Yeah.
Do you think that's, that's
something that I don't,
don't think I will do, but I Yeah.
(51:23):
Would be careful about becauseit took me so long Yeah.
To feel ready.
I don't have anything in mindlike I did going into this.
I obviously like was like,I thought about this so.
Mm-hmm.
For so long.
I know I won't regret itbecause it never changed.
Always been there.
Yeah.
(51:44):
So maybe I just need.
Enough time to be like, I know this iswhat I want, and I've never not wanted it.
Mm-hmm.
That makes sense.
I feel like maybe it would be a weirdthing to be a tattoo artist and tell
somebody not to keep getting tattoos.
Right.
Well just be intentional
about
it.
Intentional.
Just
be intentional.
(52:05):
It's a good idea.
Yeah, and for sure if anybody'slooking to get a tattoo.
You are going to want to seek libertyout soon because she's gonna be
so busy that she's gonna have toraise all of her prices and you
guys are not even gonna get in.
It's gonna be too, she'snot, in fact, don't even try.
I'm just kidding.
I'm like very soon.
(52:27):
No,
I was very lucky to get in.
Let me just
say that I get to do this for passion,like I don't, I'm lucky where.
This is a burning passion for me.
Yeah.
Um, that's what it should be.
So getting the work thatfeels right is important.
(52:49):
Mm-hmm.
You know, I, I, I want to makesure that I'm the right person
for everybody that comes in andsits on this chair and vice versa.
Mm-hmm.
That we we're doing the proper, we'rein the right place for our own journeys.
Right?
Yes.
So.
My passion is not pushing me to belike, ah, I gotta raise my prices.
(53:13):
'cause I can, yeah.
Just know.
Yeah.
It's a good place to be in.
I've got a good intention
here.
Yeah.
And that's what someone told meabout, even the work that I do in
energy work and you know, if I docharge money for it, it is my work.
(53:33):
Right?
Yeah.
But, you know, and then being like.
Obviously I do a lot of charitywork and giving things as
well, but I am balancing that.
But, uh, I was told in kind of businessethics in when doing energy work is
if it starts to become where you'relike, I just can't do it anymore.
(53:53):
Um, you know, without feeling kindof, uh, overworked or like, I'm
feeling like, oh, I gotta go do this.
Mm-hmm.
Then it's time to raise yourprices because the energetic
exchange is taking more than, yeah.
Yeah.
And that's how you cankind of know or feel it.
Yeah.
Well, at the same time, I think it'sreally important to be available,
(54:15):
uh, and to be like, okay, I alsodo, you know, certain sessions for
people for free or there's certaincharity work that I reach out to.
And that's part of it too.
Leaving yourself open to that.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, do you wanna let everybody knowhow to find you and we'll finish up?
(54:37):
Oh, so I'm on ins.
Well, I have your other arm.
I'm a girl.
Yeah, but we'll, we'llfinish up the recording.
Oh, okay.
Great.
You guys get to see my,um, my other tattoo later.
So I am at Exodus Tattoo.
Uh, I can also be found onInstagram and we'll put my handles.
Yes, wherever those are.
They'll be in the show notes and the blog.
Um, I'm also on Facebook and TikTok.
(55:01):
I mostly, I'm mostly on Instagram.
That's my favoritespace to engage and, um,
connect and communicate, um, andmaybe her own YouTube channel podcast.
All the things.
Soon.
We've been talking about allkinds of things, so I'm just gonna
tease, tease that, like be ready.
Oh, I do have a website.
Do
you have a website?
Oh, yes, it's on that.
(55:22):
It's, um, I'll have it below orshe'll have it wherever, but,
um, contemporary to tell.com.
Um, you can look at some work there.
Request a consult there
and, um, yeah.
Perfect.
Well, thank you.
Thanks for joining us on practicallymagic today, and uh, I will follow
up with the outro later Please.
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Hello.
Welcome back.
We just got finished up with our Tu.
Appointment.
I just, um, got done with ourwonderful discussion with Liberty.
We continue to talk even after therecording stopped about so many
amazing things that we have analignment talking about the cosmos,
(56:09):
the shifts in energy purpose, how,um, how she has such an amazing
ability and gift that she's only only.
Begun to explore a little bit withinherself is to be able to see people's
ancestral connections and, and, um,she really is quite a mystical person,
(56:33):
even though she's just been ableto recognize that within herself.
And, uh, that's what I love so muchabout, um, go, going to her for.
Uh, my first and second tattoois just that she takes such
great care and consideration intoall of the meanings behind it.
And, and the experience ofsitting in her chair is a healing
(56:55):
experience in and of itself.
Um, so thank you so much, Liberty.
She's listening to this recordinglater, but I had such an amazing time.
Always have such a beautifulexperience with her.
And we got a chance to talk about alot of different aspects of, of being
a part of this community that we arein and what it means to, uh, to connect
(57:18):
in such deep and vulnerable ways.
So I. Be friends with all ofyour local tattoo artists.
I'm sure they're all got a story to telland they've all got, um, kind of the come
from of what brings them to what they do.
But, uh, as for today, I have myCeltic tree that I have all done, the
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Celtic Tree Knot, which obviously is.
The, um, the Tree of Life symbol inmany, many different mythologies is
very widespread in almost every culture.
So I feel like that's kind of connecting,not just to my Celtic ancestry and the
familial lines of that, but also tohumans and to science and the, the way
(58:04):
that energy exists in the universe.
But for me in particular,it was a very Celtic.
Inspired tattoo, something that connectsme to the healing work that I do and
the storytelling work that I do inthe realm of the Celtic tradition.
And because my son's birth momhas a tattoo of his, our son's.
(58:30):
Sun sign, Gemini.
She had tattooed behind herear shortly after he was born.
I have since then always wanted tomatch that and have a tattoo at some
point that matched what she got.
Just connecting us in that sense thatwe are both mothers to the sun we
have, and um, that I very much respectand honor her as his mother and.
(58:57):
So I decided that his sign, theGemini symbol, was really perfect
for the inside of the tree.
So I got that put inside, likethe trunk of the tree and the
Gemini, uh, that seemed to allaccumulate very nicely together.
And then after.
(59:17):
Many years I had this idea inmind for a long, long time.
But after that, I also, uh, connectedvery deeply with the Visier Pisces
symbol and, uh, on the chalice.
Well, so if you are looking atthe video on YouTube now, you can
see that I had that same symbol.
I have a necklace of that symbol as well.
(59:38):
But when I was in Glastonbury andobviously we stayed at the St. Michael's
Inn, that is it at the Chalice.
Well, and I was able toreally spiritually and,
and everything else connect with thatsymbol and that the chalice, well, it
was a really powerful experience for me.
(59:58):
So to honor that, that is something thatI was very much adamant about, right from.
From seeing that first thing, um, thesymbol being kind of like a Venn diagram,
but it's, uh, but it's tipped to its side.
So you have the circle aboveand you have the circle below.
This is a very ornate example of that.
Obviously it's made out of wroughtiron on the well itself, and it has the
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flowers at the bottom and it has kindof an intricate design, um, which I
thought would be beautiful as a tattooAnyway, so I wanted to copy that.
But because I have, um, my son tattooedin the Celtic tree on one side.
My other two sons are cancer, andthey have the cancer, which is the
(01:00:44):
crab, uh, the symbol that is cancer.
It kind of has that same shapethat really fits very nicely in
the center of the Venn diagram.
It's kind of that crab like shape.
So I thought, oh my gosh,this is just perfect.
So I'm gonna get that same exact image,but I'm gonna have the cancer symbol
for my other sons in the center of that.
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Symbol as well.
So if you can see it on the video, you'llsee the cancer is there in the middle.
And um, and so now I have tattoosthat symbolize my calling, my purpose,
initiating me into what I feel is thework of Priestessing in my life, but
also a little nod and shout out tomy kids and having them be a tattoo.
(01:01:32):
In a tattoo as well.
And so the first time I went to gosee Liberty, we had lots of great
conversations about where it cameto getting that tattoo and where
I came to the conclusion of, ofthat would be the thing that I get.
Um, if you had asked me, maybe in mytwenties if I would ever get a tattoo,
I was in a place and time in my lifewhere I was like, no, I don't think so.
(01:01:54):
I don't think I could everlove something enough or.
Feel connected to an image so much thatI would want it on my body forever.
However, things change, peoplechange, and the truth is, I know
coming into this, at this point inmy life, that this isn't something I
would ever regret getting or having.
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Um, I did think that, you know, whenI was younger, tattoos were like, Hmm,
you know what if it's kind of like whenyou're a kid and you get a backpack.
Something you really love at that time,but by the next school year, you're not
really into that thing as much anymore.
And I, and I thought of it as therecould never be anything that I would
be so into that it would be timeless,that I would never not be into it.
(01:02:41):
Um, for those who knew me in highschool, middle school, I would've
gotten a tattoo of X-Files.
That was my end all be all IX-Files was everything to me loved.
X-Files the show.
So much so I would've had XFilestattoos on me, and I still love XFiles.
I think it's a great show.
(01:03:02):
Still watch it sometimes whenI'm, you know, feeling nostalgic.
But the truth is, I don't think Iwould've loved a tattoo of XFiles on me.
Now.
So I do think that this is something that,for me is part of the initiation process
in feeling like I have come into myselfand into a place, although I've never,
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I've, I'm never going to just arrive at aplace where I'm an ordained priestess with
someone else's authority bestowed upon me.
The fact of the matter, isingis something that is just a
calling through life that we do.
We are people devoted to serving self,serving others, and serving source.
(01:03:45):
And that is where I, um, I feel that aslong as I continue on that path, I, um,
I'm allowed to call myself priestess.
And I, and I do, I have given myselfthat title and I think that that's,
that's the way that it should be.
So hopefully this has givenyou some experience into what.
(01:04:07):
What this process could be like, whoyou meet and the experiences that you
have with them that can be much morethan ordinary, that even tattooing,
which some people engage with as justan aesthetic thing where they're just
getting art, being put on their bodies.
Um, everything that we do, no matter what.
(01:04:32):
No matter what it is, no matterwhat we engage in day to day or
our mundane activities, that wecan find connection spiritually and
emotionally through those experiences.
So I hope that you go through yourday after listening to this episode
and say, how can I make this day?
Magical and importantand sacred in some way.
(01:04:57):
So I want you to think aboutthat as you go through it and be
the magical person that you are.
Find the magic and the findthe mystical in this day today.
So go make magic, witches andwizards and we'll see you next time.
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