Witches, Wealth, and Well-being: The Magic Of Money w/ Kathy Poss

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This is Courtney Pearl, yourlocal folk witch and healer.
Today I am joined by Kathy Poss, whois a financial wellness and budget
coach for solo women in wealth.
Welcome, Kathy.
Kathy Poss
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Hello and welcome to Practically Magic.
This is Courtney Pearl, yourlocal folk witch and healer.
Today I am joined by Kathy Poss, whois a financial wellness and budget
coach for solo women in wealth.
Welcome, Kathy.
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Thank you so much Courtney.
Courtney.

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I
I love this and I love what you do andI've been looking forward to talking
to you today and just thank you forwelcoming me into your universe.
I love it.
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and wacky and woo woo universe.
a lot of people, I mean, we've metat the Daybreak Business Community
and a lot of people might thinkthat we don't have a lot in common.
know, Kathy is very well put together.
She is very professional.
She is athletic and professional, youknow, financial advisor and coach.
you know, here I show up at thesebusiness meetings and I'm like,
hey, I'm Daybreak's local witch.
You know.
And the more I've gotten to know youis we'll talk about a little bit later.
I'm like, there's actually a lot wehave in common that I think people
will be surprised to find out.
So I'm excited to dive into that.
Well, we're going to start withpulling a card as we usually do.
So Cathy can help me analyzethis card if she wants to.
We're going to pull from today I have theCeltic Tarot deck from Christopher Hughes.
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and wacky and woo woo universe.
a lot of people, I mean, we've metat the Daybreak Business Community

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and a lot of people might thinkthat we don't have a lot in common.
know, Kathy is very well put together.
She is very professional.
She is athletic and professional, youknow, financial advisor and coach.
you know, here I show up at thesebusiness meetings and I'm like,
hey, I'm Daybreak's local witch.
You know.

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And the more I've gotten to know youis we'll talk about a little bit later.
I'm like, there's actually a lot wehave in common that I think people
will be surprised to find out.
So
Absolutely.
I'm excited to dive into that.
Well, we're going to start withpulling a card as we usually do.
So Cathy can help me analyzethis card if she wants to.

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We're going
YouTube,
to pull from today I have the CelticTarot deck from Christopher Hughes.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm a big fan of his.
He wrote the book Druidry.
He's head of the Anglesey Orderof Druids in Wales, which I
hope to be a part of someday.
It's kind of my long-termdream to be a druid.
And Nepal.

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today I have pulled thecard the Six of Cauldrons,
Scotland.
And
in a traditional tarot deck,that's like the Six of Cups.
it.
We
so we're talking aboutemotional energy in this card.
the fields, little purple
I think, so I'm gonna lookat this if you can see, well,

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I'm gonna try to pull it in.
There's little girl and this cauldronand there's more cauldrons in the
background on the stone monument.
I think that Scottish thistle that'sgrowing or that's inside of the
cauldron, they're handingeach other in this picture.
So if you watch on YouTube,you can see the image.

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Thank you guys.
But I normally the number six is Harmony.
And the Scottish thistle, justin a personal context of that,
it's a very invasive flower.
It's the national flower of Scotland.
And it was brought here to America.
And you've probably seen it.

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We have it in Utah everywhere, like inthe fields, little purple spiky flowers.
And they're all over the mountains.
They're...
Yes.
Yeah, they're pretty invasive.
mean, they kind of just take over.
Once they plant themselves somewhere,you're going to see thousands of
them grow, which I think to meis a real symbol of abundance.

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So as we're talking about money today,we're going to talk about money.
I think this is a really hopefulcard for all of us because it's
just talking about like passing on.
We have an older person passingthis on to a younger person.
And I think it's kind of likecreating our own abundance in life.
Yeah.
creating belief systems of abundanceand hopefully being able to pass

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that on to future generations.
we're
Do you have
money today, we're goingto talk about money.
I think this is a really hopefulcard for all of us because it's
just talking about like passing on.
We have an older person passingthis on to a younger person.
And I think it's kind of likecreating our own abundance in life.
Yeah.
creating belief systems of abundanceand hopefully being able to pass
that on to future generations.
Do you have any thoughts about
I Yeah.
I love the thistle.
I I grew up in the East Coastand we have thistle everywhere.
I thought when I was growing up, Ithought that was, I mean, I'd pick them.
I thought they were justbeautiful flowers, right?
Yeah.
can be such
the thistle.

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subject to talk about, but yet
in the
person's perspective, it's
we
a beautiful thing.
So,
I thought when I was growing up, Ithought that was, I mean, I'd pick them.
I thought they were justbeautiful flowers, right?
Many can be such a prickly subject totalk about, but yet from another person's
perspective, it's a beautiful thing.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
No.
because I've heard it said, legend saysthat in Scotland it was a great flower
for them because it was so pricklyand they had footwear that was like

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leathery and they were able to marchtheir armies through fields of the
thistle without harming their feet.
But then invading armies didn'thave that protection on their feet
and it helped protect Scotland.
So
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can be beautiful canalso be a little prickly.
Woo.
Kathy Poss
great flower for thembecause it was so prickly
and it actually can be to our benefit.

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Kathy Poss
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Absolutely.
Well, I'm going to dive into a story herethat I just, we're going to talk about
finances, wealth, money, prosperity.
And
did a money spell a
I actually just did a moneyspell a couple of weeks ago.
So for those of you listening, ifyou follow me on Instagram or TikTok,

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I made a reel of my money spell.
why not?
I'm going
haven't, I haven't made a habit of doingthat very often, but I thought, why not?
I'm going to give this a try.
So.
I took a green candle, I cut an orangein half and I put cinnamon and basil on
top and then I wrapped a leaf with redstring around the candle and I wrote

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money, how much money I wanted to attract,wrapped it on the candle and then I put
it in the orange and then I lit it andyou have to let it burn all the way down.
to be in October.
So I was
So.
Mm-hmm.
It's not the end of October at thispoint where we're recording this.
So I'll have to give an update to see ifmy money shows up by the end of the month.

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It was supposed to be in October.
So I was like, it's an October spell.
I'm like, let's give it a shot.
I've done things like this before.
And I have been able to manifestthe amount of money that I
put out into the universe.
So this is just anotherdifferent way of doing it.
And we'll see how it with it.
Right.
Right.
love it.
I love it.
I love it.

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Might want to try
Might want to try it, you know, ifyou see that working out for you.
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Yeah
Yeah.
So we've been hanging
out at the DBC for what, a year now.
Kathy Poss
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Yes, I know.
Time flies.
Yeah.
That's great.
Yes, I know.
Time flies.
It was so wonderful to like haveso many different people with their

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different areas of expertise just,you know, coming together and being
like, well, I do this and I do this.
But when you did your, it was thebusiness in bloom, I think, and
went and you did your presentation,kind of just showcasing what you do.
And
Media

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yeah, finances, wealth, sure.
Right.
It's great to help people with that.
And I've always been prettygood with money personally.
It's great to help people with that.
And I've always been prettygood with money personally.
I may not be the mostadvanced business-wise.
I'm still writing myexpenses on a piece of paper.
That's where I'm at right now.

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No QuickBooks
That's where I'm at right now.
okay.
Absolutely.
No QuickBooks for...
Wait.
And
personal finances, personal as we say.

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Yeah.
Yeah.
So I'm still doing it the oldfashioned way, but that right
now is all I really need.
And then when you did your presentation,you were talking a lot about
belief systems and talking aboutlike how we interact with money.
And I thought, wait a minute,this is a lot of the work that
I do in the healing world.
As far as when I'm doing emotionalprocessing with clients, I'm
helping them unblock things that
They don't even know theyhave in their subconscious.
And you can't manifest money or wealthor prosperity without kind of being
aware or unblocking what scarcitybeliefs you might be holding onto.
Can you speak a little bit about that?
Great.
And you can't manifest money or wealthor prosperity without kind of being
aware or unblocking what scarcitybeliefs you might be holding onto.
Can you speak a little bit about that?
Great.
Absolutely, yeah.
mean, I love this, Courtney, becauseit's really meaningful to me because
diving into what blocked my own personaljourney has created so much in my life.
you know, I look at money personally is,know, money is just a tool and I don't...
really focus on myselfor my clients on numbers.
It's really how it makes you beable to create a life of purpose.
And so I always start there.
What is your purpose and your values?
And that's where I think thewellness community, that's where
we intersect because we're both,we're all saying the same thing.
You know, right?
mean, no matter where you are inyour wellness journey, I mean,
we're all wanting to just live alife where of joy, not in fear,
not in scarcity, but in abundance.
And in abundance can be, you know, adifferent meaning to everyone as well.
And so then when we go backand we say, okay, well,
Yeah.
I want to get here, what are thosemindsets that I have, one, probably
grown up with since I was really small.
So we have our moneystories in our role models.
And then that has created some behaviorsthat have been beneficial, but maybe also
you know, we need to look at andsee if, you know, certain behaviors
are blocking where we want togo in life with our finances.
And to me, that's incredibly importantbecause like I tell my clients,
there's a math way to do things.
Okay, you know, math is pretty objective.
You know, it's one plus one is two, right?
I mean, we can't reallyargue those things, but.
You
But really what matters the most arebehaviors and how we feel towards it in
our attitudes and putting benchmarks orputting social norms that we may take on
ourselves is a lot of times a disservicebecause it just doesn't align with us.
And so we're kind of out there

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because diving into what blockedmy own personal journey has
created so much in my life.
why isn't

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start there.
What is your purpose and your values?
And that's where I think thewellness community, that's where
we intersect because we're both,we're all saying the same thing.
You know, right?
mean, no matter where you are inyour wellness journey, I mean,

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we're all wanting to just live alife where of joy, not in fear,
not in scarcity, but in abundance.
And in abundance can be, you know, adifferent meaning to everyone as well.
And so then when we go backand we say, okay, well,

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Yeah.
I want to get here,
what are those mindsets thatI have, one, probably grown up
with since I was really small.
So we have our moneystories in our role models.
And then that has created somebehaviors that have been beneficial,

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me, that's incredibly important
because like I tell my clients,there's a math way to do things.

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Okay, you know, math is pretty objective.
You know, it's one plus one is two, right?
I mean, we can't reallyargue those things, but.
You
But really what matters the mostare behaviors and how we feel
towards it in our attitudes and
Yeah.

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is a lot of times a disservicebecause it just doesn't align with us.
And so we're kind of out theregoing, why isn't this working?
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Yeah.
Yeah.
It's really the heart of what I do.
And I did win that night of Businessin Bloom, the Go Giver book, which is
still sitting on my shelf along withmy long list of books I need to read.
So I'm like, I know how important it is.
I know it's gonna be a great read.
So I'm like, there it is.
I have a long way to go when it comes tomy own interaction with money and how...
You
Me too.
It's interesting in the healingworld how it is very similar
to other aspects of healing.
And I will be interviewing a fitnesscoach in a couple of weeks and
we'll talk a little bit about that.
But really in my world, there's nota lot of difference in what we're
healing within ourselves to beable to unblock what it is we want.
Whether it's like money or whetherit's losing weight and getting fit.
I don't know if you've...
Great.
Right.
sure you probably have at leastheard of it, the book Atomic Habits.
yes, I use it all the time.
about it a lot with clients becauseI'm like, your subconscious is a jury
of, you know, 11 people who all thinkyou're not good enough, or they don't
deserve the money you'd like to have,or the prosperity and success you'd
like to have, or, or your fitnessgoals, you know, whatever that might be.
There's a jury in your subconscious.
And then there's one juror that
ready.
does believe that you're worthyand that's the one that you're
hearing going, I want this so bad.
Like I want it and Ifeel it and I want it.
But how do you get that one juror toconvince the other 11 that you are worthy?
Like you're gonna be able to get this.
It's not enough to just say, okay,I want this much money so I'm
just gonna save this much money.
I'm just not gonna spend as much and
And I did win that night of Businessin Bloom, the Go Giver book, which is

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still sitting on my shelf along withmy long list of books I need to read.
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So I'm like, I know how important it is.
I know it's gonna be a great read.
So I'm like, there it is.
I have a long way to go when it comes tomy own interaction with money and how...
You
Me too.

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It's interesting in the healingworld how it is very similar
to other aspects of healing.
And I will be interviewing a fitnesscoach in a couple of weeks and
we'll talk a little bit about that.
But really in my world, there's nota lot of difference in what we're
healing within ourselves to beable to unblock what it is we want.

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Whether it's like money or whetherit's losing weight and getting fit.
I don't know if you've...
Great.
Right.
sure you probably have at leastheard of it, the book Atomic Habits.
yes, I use it all the time.
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it a lot with clients because I'mlike, your subconscious is a jury
of, you know, 11 people who all think

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where you
not good enough, or they don't deservethe money you'd like to have, or the
prosperity and success you'd liketo have, or, or your fitness goals,
you know, whatever that might be.
There's a jury in your subconscious.
And then there's one juror that
ready.

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does believe that you're worthyand that's the one that you're
hearing going, I want this so bad.
Like I want it and Ifeel it and I want it.
But do you get that one juror to convincethe other 11 that you are worthy?
Like you're gonna be able to get this.
It's not enough to just say, okay,I want this much money so I'm

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just gonna save this much money.
I'm just not gonna spendas much and I'm gonna save.
Right.
Sounds so simple.
Like you said, that's justnumbers, But doing it, that's
where you get stuck, right?
That's numbers.
Yeah, it is.
But yeah.
Right.
yeah, doing
numbers.
Yeah, it is.
yourself why.
And in making sure that alignswith something you are so tied
into personally that I am willingto go, there's a balance, right?
I mean, there's a balance.
If I'm gonna save because I'mreally connected to this purpose
and who I am and my values, then itshould be pretty easy to say, I'm
gonna not do these other things.
I'm not gonna spend this money.
I'm gonna look at that behavior becauseI'm so connected with why I'm saving.
And we can go through all the, so many ofthose scenarios, but really just getting
really focused in andliving in a sense of joy.
And this is, and not just for the future.
You know, we think about thefuture so much, which is important.
I mean, I am, you know, in what I do.
We think about the future and I wanteveryone to be prepared for the future.
But for right now, you know,we can live this right now.
And that's really important because
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, of my experiences I've gonethrough in the last six years, yeah,
you never know what tomorrow will be.
So it's important to, you know, get all

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the doingness gets stuck because,you know, why are you saving?
You know, why?
And then go, go keep asking yourself why.
And in making sure that aligns with
start
I am willing to go,there's a balance, right?

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I mean, there's a balance.
If I'm gonna save because I'mreally connected to this purpose
and who I am and my values, then itshould be pretty easy to say, I'm
gonna not do these other things.
I'm not gonna spend this money.
I'm gonna look at that behavior becauseI'm so connected with why I'm saving.

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And we can go through all the, so many ofthose scenarios, but really just getting
really focused in andliving in a sense of joy.
And this is, and not just for the future.
You know, we think about thefuture so much, which is important.
I mean, I am, you know, in what I do.

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We think about the future and I wanteveryone to be prepared for the future.
But for right now, you know,we can live this right now.
Yeah,
And that's really important because
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, of my experiences I've gonethrough in the last six years, yeah,

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you never know what tomorrow will be.
So it's important to, youknow, get all that aligned and
start living your life now.

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Yeah, and when you talk about livingin joy, I love that you've said
that because what I teach and what I
work with clients and you do too.
See, that's why I think, you know,you wouldn't call yourself a witch.
You wouldn't call yourself a healer,but people don't realize you probably
are more than you think you are.
Because what we're both doing, workthat we're doing is helping people
to resonate their whole body and mindand soul with the same vibrational
frequency, which is going to be more
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
My kids do.
aligned with joy to match thefuture they're trying to attract.
So being able to manifest like, andI love that you keep saying the why,
figuring out the why, you helping coachpeople on that rather than the how,
because a lot of people, I mean, I'mguilty of it probably more than anybody.
It's just like my ownupbringing, my own, you know,
young child belief systemsthat come up, but it's like,
how am I going to get there?
I have this goal.
Now I need to figure out how.
And I have learned that thehow is so much less important
than I would have ever thought.
I thought you were supposed to make aplan and you were supposed to, you know,
outline all the steps to take and that itwould be this and this and this and this.
And really, you can't do any
work that we're doing is helping peopleto resonate their whole body and mind
and soul with the same vibrationalfrequency, which is going to be more
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
My kids do.
aligned with joy to match thefuture they're trying to attract.

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So being able to manifest like, andI love that you keep saying the why,
figuring out the why, you helping coachpeople on that rather than the how,
because a lot of people, I mean, I'mguilty of it probably more than anybody.
It's just like my ownupbringing, my own, you know,

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young child belief systemsthat come up, but it's like,
how am I going to get there?
I have this goal.
Now I need to figure out how.
And I have learned that thehow is so much less important
than I would have ever thought.
I thought you were supposed to make aplan and you were supposed to, you know,
outline all the steps to take and that itwould be this and this and this and this.

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And really, you can't do any of thatwithout first resonating at the right
Great.
Great.
Right.
Yeah.
frequency, like being resonating injoy and gratitude in your now and
present moment, and then being ableto be like, okay, now what's my why?
Why am I trying to get there?
It's your will that propelsyou there, not the how, right?

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Exactly.
yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, there's how many clientshave come to me and said, I
just can't make my budget work.
Why can't I make this work?
You know, I mean, it shouldn't bethis hard, but I can't find the tool.
I can't find the right tool.
I can't have the right spreadsheet.
You know, those are great,but that's, that's not why,

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Exactly.
yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, there's how many clientshave come to me and said, I
just can't make my budget work.
Why can't I make this work?
You know, I mean, it shouldn't bethis hard, but I can't find the tool.
I can't find the right tool.
I can't have the right spreadsheet.
You know, those are great, butthat's, that's not why, you know,
I mean, that's you, you need to, Imean, I always say the budget is it's
a bad word that people don't wantto hear, but it's your story.
I think that as your story, this is you.
You get to create your story and create,you can call it whatever you want, a
vision that you feel really connected to.
And then, yeah, you're right.
The how.
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then, yeah, you're right.
The how.
store.
Mm-hmm.
Okay, well there's a lot of reason.
I can throw tools at you andresources and I've got all the
how, but the hard work is the why.
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Yes!
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all that aligned andgetting really deep into
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For instance,
what is your money story and what kindof attitudes do you have towards money?

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Yes!
Hmm?
For instance, when I bring in mymoney habitudes and we talk about
a lot
someone being
other people.
gifter, because I work onlywith women, women are givers.
So I see a lot of women whoare spending a lot of money

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are we gifting
other people.
is so
Okay, so right, I mean we do.
we are.
That's our
are we, is that aligned?
We assume it is.
But are we gifting
it a little
because that is so important to us.
That is who we are.

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That's our identity.
I
bit of,
just want to give it away.
That is what fills me up.
Or
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is it a little bit of FOMO?
Is it a little bit of status?
Is it a little bit of,well, I've got to keep up?
You
that you're willing

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that and what's,
other things because of it.
know, making sure thatif that is your why,
you not
that you're willing to up someother things because of it.
Which is, yeah, I'm never gonnatell you not to do, you know, no
one ever should tell you not todo what's really connected to you.
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Yeah, I mean,
Well, and I can tell you thatif it doesn't actually feel them
like they think it will, thatwill become evident eventually.
Right.
absolutely.
Those are the clients I get who'vebeen doing that pattern for however
many years, probably a whole lifetime.
I mean, we usually go back to age, youknow, eight years old or four years old
in our sessions because they're like,that's when I figured out that giving
myself to others was the way to get somekind of validation or to get whatever,
but they call it, it's filling my cup.
It's filling my cup.
And it does until it doesn't.
clients I get who've been doingthat pattern for however many
years, probably a whole lifetime.

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I mean, we usually go back to age, youknow, eight years old or four years old
in our sessions because they're like,that's when I figured out that giving
myself to others was the way to get somekind of validation or to get whatever,
but they call it, it's filling my cup.
It's filling my cup.
And it does until it doesn't.

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Right.
Right.
Exactly.
or their why is differentthan they thought it was.
So eventually they are in a state ofgreat pain and, you know, deflation.
I don't know what you wantto call it, but it's a...
Take advantage of,
or their why is differentthan they thought it was.
So eventually they are in a state ofgreat pain and, you know, deflation.
I don't know what you wantto call it, but it's a...
Take advantage of, maybe a littletaken advantage of or resentful.

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Yeah.
And the words out of their mouthare, but it fills my cup to give
and to do and to, all of this.
And, and if that were really true,it would be an energy exchange that
felt equal and it felt fulfilling.
of their mouth are,
and sometimes it shows up as physicalillness sometimes in their body.

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And so when they're coming tome as clients going, my gosh, I
have like back issues really bad,or I have, and I'm like, well,
me as clients going, my gosh,
You know, let's look at the energy or thepatterns of what you've been giving and
giving and giving, but you're not actuallygetting back what you thought you were or,

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or, or
or
aligned exactly.
aligned exactly.
Right, it wasn't aligned.
Right, it wasn't aligned.
I love the energy, so I love theenergy work and I love, you we all,
like you talked about first, you know,
we're all speaking the samething, all of us healers, all
of us wellness professionals.

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They may, you know, we mayuse different vocabulary
Right,
in different modalities, butwe are, you know, we all want.
Mm-hmm.
We're all speaking withthe same intention in mind.
And I believe that, you know,personal finance really is, it's

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really necessary in personal financebecause it really hasn't been there
necessary in personal finance because
for forever.
You know, it's not somethingwe normally would talk about.
like I've said, like, in previousepisodes, I've talked about, you know,

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the way that I kind of describe it aslike, if our bodies and brains were
a computer, we've been downloadingsystems since we were in the womb.
Right.
So
When our neuro pathways start to bedeveloped, when we're a fetus, we
start developing these connections onhow to get these chemical needs met.

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And so we've been developingthese for a long time.
Doesn't mean they always arecorrect or that they serve us.
So that's usually where I come into help people later is to go, okay,
something just isn't quite working right.
Right?
Like I thought this is how to get myneeds met and it's not getting my needs.
a lot of this relates to like, likeI've said, like, in previous episodes,
I've talked about, you know, theway that I kind of describe it as
like, if our bodies and brains werea computer, we've been downloading
systems since we were in the womb.
Right.
So
When our neuro pathways start to be

(23:31):
talked about how like thatrelating to then belief systems,
thoughts, leading to emotions.
And I think your six habitudesthat you talk about, I want people
to know that I am going to, shesent me like a PDF of those.
So I'm going to put those up on my blogwhen I do the blog post for this episode.

(23:53):
So if you are listening andyou're like, what are those?
I want to know more aboutthat and you want to see them.
go to my blog on my website, buttalk a little bit about those for us.
Yeah, so in my journey, I have afinancial background and was a CPA.
And so I was, you know, rightwhat I was talking about.
I mean, I was a math person and yousave and you put money aside and
you put it for a later date and.
When I got into the field, I intofinancial coaching was because of
some significant changes in my life.
And that's, you know, a lot of times,you know, we're going to keep changing
and evolving and big events in ourlives do do that to us or for us.
should say they do it for us because theyare absolutely the best things that ever
happened to me, even though they were.
Yeah.
not good things that happened to me, butI really sank into this money behaviors.
It was one of the first things that Ilearned about and I became proficient in.
And there's six different habitudes, whichis habits and attitudes towards money.
They are planning and security,spontaneous and carefree.
giving and status.
And right when I say all those,I know a lot of people are like,
ooh, that's me, that's definitelynot me, I would never be that way.
And so we all have thesepreconceived notions of what
these, behaviors are towards money.
And a lot can be tied back to ourchildhood, like we just discussed.
I had...
You
I have a mother who is extremely securitydriven to the detriment of her health and
a father that was extremely spontaneous.
So they were complete opposites,which a lot of times happens.
And so I have a little bit of both in me.
And when I sink into it, you know,learning the balance between those two.
Okay.
was really important to me andI really believed, you know,
I'm not gonna change who I am.
I'm not gonna changethose things about me.
But knowing and being aware of themand how I used to judge others.
Mmmhmm.
you know, really affects that wholeidea of being in fear and being
judgmental instead of being, everyonehas their own path, everyone has their
own way and gifts in each of thoseareas that we all can learn from.
And so, yeah, I mean, it's really...
blog post for this episode.
So if you are listening andyou're like, what are those?
I want to know more aboutthat and you want to see them.
go to my blog on my website, buttalk a little bit about those for us.
Yeah, so in my journey,
helps me tremendously in
have a financial background and was a CPA.

(24:14):
And so I was, you know, rightwhat I was talking about.
I mean, I was a math person and yousave and you put money aside and
you put it for a later date and.
able
When I got into the field, I intofinancial coaching was because of

(24:36):
some significant changes in my life.
And that's, you know, alot of times, you know,
of
we're going to keep changing andevolving and big events in our
lives do do that to us or for us.
The Wave Media Podcast Network [27:27.367]
Yeah.
should say they do it for us because theyare absolutely the best things that ever

(24:57):
happened to me, even though they were.
Yeah.
not good things that happened to me, butI really sank into this money behaviors.
It was one of the first things that Ilearned about and I became proficient in.
And there's six different habitudes, whichis habits and attitudes towards money.

(25:20):
They are planning and security,spontaneous and carefree.
giving and status.
And right when I say all those,I know a lot of people are like,
ooh, that's me, that's definitelynot me, I would never be that way.

(25:44):
And so we all have thesepreconceived notions of what
these, behaviors are towards money.
And a lot can be tied back to ourchildhood, like we just discussed.
I had...
You
I have a mother who is extremely securitydriven to the detriment of her health and

(26:06):
a father that was extremely spontaneous.
So they were complete opposites,which a lot of times happens.
And so I have a little bit of both in me.
And when I sink into it, you know,learning the balance between those two.

(26:27):
Okay.
was really important to me andI really believed, you know,
I'm not gonna change who I am.
I'm not gonna changethose things about me.
But knowing and being aware of themand how I used to judge others.
Mmmhmm.
you know, really affects

(26:50):
that whole
Network

(27:17):
first and foremost, it helps metremendously in getting through some
of the hard stuff that I went throughand being able to make sense of it and
to be able to honor who I was insteadof myself judging myself, you know,

(27:41):
being ashamed, feeling a lot of shame.
Mm-hmm.
you
And so I think it's a wonderfultool to use here again.
It's just a tool.
There's a lot of conversations,a lot of work to do in using
any kind of tool as well.

(28:02):
Yeah.
Just as you were saying this, itjust occurred to me, because I was
looking at those six habitudes earlierand I didn't even think about it.
But when I teach people about those neuralpathways in their brain and like we're all
trained to get a chemical need met, that'show those neural pathways were created.

(28:23):
And you said like security, well,that's the dopamine element.
Those chemical needs ourbrain is trying to get.
Right.
If we feel secure, if we feelsafe, if we feel certainty, we're
gonna get hits of dopamine, right?
So it's just, I mean, even in, we'retalking about this relationship with

(28:44):
money and finances, but this is so muchmore aspects of our life that we look
at and say, how do I interact with this?
And if I am, like you said, I'mgoing about it in a way that
Right.
Right.
Bye.
feels like maybe I'm gettinga drip of dopamine when I'm

(29:04):
like, I can't spend any money.
I gotta be safe.
I gotta be secure.
I won't spend a single dime.
I'm gonna stay real safe.
And then asking yourself, butdoes that fulfill your needs?
Does it actually fulfill yourneeds or is it just kind of
like a drip that you're getting?
the...
Yeah.
Ride The Wave
Your little addicted brain is gettingfrom those chemicals or like the...

(29:26):
Yeah.
Spontaneity is a great one for endorphins.
I mean, you can see the correlationwith how we do life and again, releasing
judgment on how people do it becauseremember people do what they do
because they don't know any other way.
They're just trying to getthose chemical needs met.

(29:47):
And at some point in their childhood,probably before age eight, when their
neuro pathways were brain was allmapped, they had come up with this way.
Yeah.
that's cool.
Right.
And they're like, you so you talkabout your mom being more secure.
She probably came up with thosepatterns before she was eight years
old and she's been living that waybecause she's like, this is the
only way I know how to feel good.

(30:09):
Wave Media Podcast Network [29:31.333]
And they're like, you so you talkabout your mom being more secure.
She probably came up with thosepatterns before she was eight years
old and she's been living that waybecause she's like, this is the
only way I know how to feel good.
And dad does it a completely differentway, but he's like, this is all I know.
I know that this ishow I get my needs met.
I feel great when I do it this way.
And it works until it doesn't.
Absolutely.
And dad does it a completely differentway, but he's like, this is all I know.
I know that this ishow I get my needs met.
I feel great when I do it this way.
And it works until it doesn't.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Right.
Right.
Exactly, exactly.
definitely works until it doesn't.

(30:30):
yeah, I mean, for my mom, was,you know, growing up in poverty
and having the mindset that
definitely works until

(30:59):
kept moving.
So while it was, like you just perfectlysaid, it was serving her till it wasn't.
And then now it is to thedetriment of her health, because it
completely showed up in her health.
Yeah.
living that way.
As it will, as those of us in thewellness and healing world understand
the correlation between the stress
I mean, for my mom, was, you know,growing up in poverty and having the

(31:20):
mindset that there was never enough.
So.
Mm-hmm.
even though it propelled her into avery successful career earning enough
money, it still was never enough.
The goalpost kept moving.
So while it was, like you just perfectlysaid, it was serving her till it wasn't.
And then now it is to thedetriment of her health, because it
completely showed up in her health.
Yeah.
living that way.
As it will, as those of us in thewellness and healing world understand
the correlation between the stresswe put on our bodies when the neural
pathways we have created are conflicting.
It's like,
Poss [31:07.736]
Great.
Okay.
Right.
Yep.
You know, just out of curiosity, doesshe happen to have back problems?
Kathy
get this need met, but alsodon't get this need met.
So now these needs don't get met, andthen I'm stressed, and the stress in my

(31:41):
body creates these physical symptoms.
I mean, it's just all connected.
Great.
No!
Great.
Okay.
Right.
Yep.
You know, just out of curiosity, doesshe happen to have back problems?
yes.
I ask because I always want to highlightthat that is when I, when I meet someone,
especially, you know, someone older, it's,they're like, my spine is deteriorated.

(32:07):
have, you know, vertebrae, I have, youknow, pelvic issues or lower spine issues.
I will ask, you know, didyou grow up in poverty?
Because it is connected to theroot chakra, our ability to feel
safe and secure, rooted, grounded.
like we have a you know our our feet onthe ground and it's interesting because

(32:31):
the it's also very closely related tothe sacral chakra which affects our
relationships with others so when peopleand that's the color orange in my spell
that I mentioned earlier I put it inan orange sometimes money spells will
Ugh.
correlate with the color orangeor the fruit orange because we're

(32:55):
helping to heal the sacral chakra.
And it's our creative center of our body.
But it can also, know, for us women,it kind of results in issues with
our reproductive organs, you know,people with endometriosis and things,
cysts and polyps in our ovariesand uterus and things like that.

(33:18):
So for men it could be
the prostate and things like thatthat they end up having issues with.
So I'm pointing that out forpeople that may be like, huh,
that's something too, you know.
But you did mention likegrowing up in poverty.
So we both have a little bitof experience in that realm.
And I truly believe that more so thanteaching people, children, whoever.

(33:48):
Really.
the sort of spreadsheets and budgetingand although I think that's all very
important, I'm not saying we shouldn'tteach high school kids how to do
those kinds of things to go out intothe world and be adults, but I truly
believe, so I used to be a teacher inelementary school and we were in an

(34:09):
area of very low income demographic.
We were a title one schoolwith 100 % free and reduced
are free lunches and breakfastfor all the children.
And for those of you who speak educationlanguage, that's a very low income area.
This
is in Phoenix.

(34:29):
And I learned a lot frombeing a teacher there.
We as teachers, we had to kindof learn to speak the language.
And those of us who didn't grow up, Imean, we were very privileged even though
teachers don't make a whole lot of money.
Right.
Right.
We were still very privileged peopleand we didn't necessarily understand

(34:51):
or could relate to people who weregrowing up in generational poverty.
So we some deep dives and studies.
We read as a group, as a staff,read the language of poverty and did
like a book study on it together.
Learned a lot about that.
But it was interesting becausealthough we learned a lot about

(35:15):
Right.
Right.
that world, what that meant for people,what it was like to teach students
who were coming to school, you know,probably didn't sleep, probably
didn't eat, probably didn't knowwho was picking them up from school.
I mean, these kinds of things.
It helped in that aspect, but wetalked a lot about what do we do?

(35:37):
How do we help these children breakthose patterns or break from that
chain and help them be successful.
Because you hear about rare storieswhere students who came from those
backgrounds would, you know, be sodetermined and so ambitious and want to

(35:58):
learn that they were like, I'm graduatinghigh school, I'm going to college,
I'm doing this and I'm doing that.
But we didn't know as teachers howto create that, how to inspire that.
And it wasn't untilafter I finished teaching
Right.
that I started learning about thiswork that I do now and realize,
think, don't know what that is.

(36:20):
Our video just like had a moment.
Anyway, I realized that what Ithink that the missing bridge was
for those students was not, youknow, their IQ, their academics.
I believe it's emotional intelligence.
It's EQ more than anything.

(36:41):
And so you kind of talked about thatbecause you were talking about like
learning these habitudes about moneywould probably create success among
students rising out of poverty moreso than their academics, their grades.
At least that's what I believe.

(37:03):
What do you think aboutthat and your experience?
Kathy
I absolutely do.
And I think it helps withthe stigma of shame judgment.
I
Poss [36:15.96]

(38:32):
.Kathy Poss [36:38.624]
Yeah, I absolutely do.
And I think it helps withthe stigma of shame judgment.
I think if I work for a volunteerorganization and do coaching through them,
Mm-hmm.
Kathy
so when it's a safe place thatisn't judgmental but is really,
scale.
A lot of
you know, supporting the skillsthey do have, these, my goodness,
they have so many skills.
I mean, they can teach us all, I mean,
been around in terms of

(38:53):
know how to get by.
and really
It's incredible what they'vedone and have probably never
for
Mm.
yeah.
have given a lot of positive feedbackin what they've already accomplished.
common
Always look back, always lookback and celebrate your wins.
I
understanding that
always say.

(39:14):
do
I think that's, yeah, I thinkthat's really key is really
single client I've hadhas said thank you so much
our past, but not living in our past.
understanding who you areso you don't feel shame
when it's

(39:34):
from where how you are and how you showup and and then surrounding yourself by
good educators you were good I mean youwere right doing your thing you were
helping them just by being there andbeing in listening and being a role model
get

(39:55):
you know seeing seeing other
people succeed and helping them
Network [38:06.072]
feel good about themselves.
I
Media Podcast
that's huge.
yeah.
When we can live in, like, you wekeep going back to, you know, the
joy and, you know, they take whatthey've already learned and apply it

(40:26):
with support in...
Yeah.
Yeah, that's tremendous.
So I applaud you for working andbeing an educator in that situation.
It's not easy and you don't feellike you're doing enough and you
don't know sometimes where togo and you're like, can I help?
Am I really doing, making an impact?

(40:49):
But you are and you did, I guarantee you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was
Yeah.
Yeah, that's tremendous.
So I applaud you for working andbeing an educator in that situation.
It's not easy and you don't feellike you're doing enough and you
don't know sometimes where togo and you're like, can I help?
Am I really doing, making an impact?
But you are and you did, I guarantee you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was young then and I do believe thatthe work that we put into it and just
even doing that book study togetherand being like, we wanna relate with
these children in these families andbe able to relate to them in a way
that doesn't make them feel shame anddoesn't make them feel judged, right?

(41:12):
Like, because a lot of us kind offelt like, and I knew one of the
teachers I was teaching with, shereminded me of the teacher in...
that that movie was based on.
I heard
Freedom Riders where shegoes into that high school.
I mean, it's like rough area for firstday of teaching and she's wearing pearls.
[ 41:04.162]
Right.
Yeah.
Ride The Wave Media
I heard the actual teacherthat that movie was based on.

(41:34):
I heard her speak at one of theteacher conferences and she was
like, I actually did walk in therethe first day wearing pearls.
It was a huge mistake.
So much.
Yes.
Kathy
and the kids felt, you know,obviously judged or felt like, look
at you coming in here with yourpearls on, you know, who are you?
Right.
Yeah.
to teach us and

(41:54):
it's kind of a culture shockbecause it is a culture.
mean, like you have to go in thereand I just wish I would have known
some of the things I know now.
I mean, now I know that on the scale ofenergy level, shame is at the very bottom.
And if you're carrying around shame inany aspect, whether it's about money or
your financial status or that kind ofthing or about something else, but it's

(42:20):
Alright.
It's going to vibrate in your body atthe very, it's going to pull all of
your down and how can you rise to meetwith what you're looking to accomplish
or what you're looking to manifest.
So.
right, right, yep.
Ride
well, I would love to get involved ifyou, you know, if you see any use for

(42:42):
an energy healer and the work that youdo, or you happen to meet upon a person
who you're like, Hey, maybe you couldbenefit from meeting my friend Courtney.
Kathy Poss
I well, I would love to get involved ifyou, you know, if you see any use for
an energy healer and the work that youdo, or you happen to meet upon a person
who you're like, Hey, maybe you couldbenefit from meeting my friend Courtney.
Thanks.
Absolutely, absolutely.
just, think it's so important, the workthat you do, and everyone in the wellness

(43:03):
arena, because yeah, I mean, I really, youknow, subscribe to the Wheel of Wellness.
I mean, it is, we're all workingon a holistic approach, and you
know, not in isolation, becausewe know, I mean, we don't,
We don't work in isolation.
So
Thanks.

(43:23):
Absolutely, absolutely.
just, think it's so important, the
we need
yeah, I mean, I really,you know, subscribe to the
to come together in a holistic approach
we know, I mean, we don't,
We
to all these differentaspects of our lives.

(44:22):
Very true.
Well, I do have a couple of money
deserve money or I don't deserve success.
So take two weeks to write in yourjournal every single day, either in
the morning when you first wake up orright before you go to sleep at night.
Love you.
And you just write one sentence like,
witchy side of things
have success and money coming my way,
money in their
however you want to wordthat as a statement.

(44:43):
an affirmation of
Make sure that it's a statement,like an affirmation, it's
already true, I already know it.
But you write it with your non-dominanthand for two weeks every day.
Best if you can write it three times each.
Mm-hmm.
But I have done that one and I actuallymanifested, I wrote, I will have $2,000

(45:04):
day, either
by the end of two weeksor something like that.
And I wrote it every day
you go to
and it totally worked.
My husband came home after two weeks.
He didn't know I was doing this,but he came home and he goes,
I just bonused at work $2,000.
I was like.
Kathy
my way, however you want to
You're welcome.
Thank
as a statement.
Make sure that it's a statement,like an affirmation, it's
already true, I already know it.
But you write it with your non-dominanthand for two weeks every day.
Best if you can write it three times each.
Mm-hmm.
But I have done that one and Iactually manifested, I wrote, I
will have $2,000 by the end oftwo weeks or something like that.
And I wrote it every dayand it totally worked.
My husband came home after two weeks.
He didn't know I was doing this,but he came home and he goes,
I just bonused at work $2,000.
I was like.
Thank you.
you
You're welcome.
Thank you very much.
you very much.

(45:24):
It was all
It was all me.
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure he worked reallyhard for that book as well, so we can
give him the credit for that part.
But yeah.
So anyway, that's just oneof many that I like to do.
But there are a lot ofdifferent kind of cool herbs and
elements that you can add into.
Obviously, I mentioned the orange,the green candle, because green is
often associated with money beinggreenbacks, know, dollar bills.
Thanks
If you want to incorporate colors intoyour spell, I never teach people that
there is a specific or certain way todo a spell or a prayer or manifesting
what is asking for what it is you want.
The most important thing I think isthat people believe in it and believe
because you have to have the will andbelieve that you deserve to have it.
And that that's reallythe most important part.
So.
I think whatever symbols andwhatever things you want to put
into your own spell, it's totally
anyway, that's just oneof many that I like to do.
But there are a lot ofdifferent kind of cool herbs and

(45:44):
or
elements that you can add into.
Obviously, I mentioned the orange,the green candle, because green is
often associated with money beinggreenbacks, know, dollar bills.
Thanks
If you want to incorporate colors intoyour spell, I never teach people that
there is a specific or certain way todo a spell or a prayer or manifesting

(46:09):
what is asking for what it is you want.
The most important thing I think isthat people believe in it and believe
because you have to have the will andbelieve that you deserve to have it.
And that that's reallythe most important part.
So.
I think whatever symbols and whateverthings you want to put into your

(46:30):
own spell, it's totally up to you.
If it's specific to you, like a memory youhave or a specific connection, personal
connection you have to something, then addit into your spell and it'll work for you.
So I will post some of those and someideas there on my blog for people who
want to look those up and get some ideas.

(46:51):
And hopefully that will behelpful for all of you listening.
who want to manifest money.
if they do
[ 46:31.02]
I'm on it.
want to do spells, if that's not yourthing, or even if you do want to do
spells, but you also want to go a morepractical route, Kathy, tell us where they
can find you for your coaching and help.

(47:12):
Kathy Poss
Yeah, have,
it.
I'm on
right now I'm doing a 30 dayfinancial wellness bootcamp.
And in my program, very, Idon't take on a lot of clients
because it really is a bootcamp.
And I really believe in coaching isn'tjust a one-off kind of situation, but we

(47:37):
need accountability and we need to really,
to really,
have that
have that connection,vulnerability, and trust.
And so
going on
I have that going on right now.
You can find me at, my emailis Kathy, with a K and a Y,
then my
at Kathy, and then my last name,

(47:57):
well as my
POS, dot com, as well as mywebsite, Solo Women and Wealth.
I'm also on LinkedIn.
and eventually I'll be onInstagram and other things but
[ 47:45.896]
.If you want to.
you know
Ride The Wave Media
I'm a slow mover in that direction.

(48:20):
That's all right.
Once you start, it's a whole other thing.
So I'm like, you got to keepit up and it's a whole thing.
So I think it's great.
And I will post links tothose on my blog as well.
So for those of you listening andyou're driving your car and you're
like, I want to write that down.
Don't worry.
Just go to my website and I will haveall of that information to link you

(48:44):
to Cathy so that you can find herand get signed up for her boot camp.
That would be amazing.
what
your car and you're like, I
a way to kind of likeknock some sense into you,
to link you
get you on the right track.
I love like the idea of a boot camp.
You know, usually I like I think ofboot camps, think of fitness and,
right track.
I love like
and, you know, it's likesuper hard work, but

(49:05):
available.
Great.
Yeah.
that's amazing.
So find me on my website,prism-healing.com
looking
where you'll find myhealing services available.
Great.
Yeah.
for anyone who's looking to unblockyour limited beliefs on money
and you are wanting to manifestwellness and prosperity, but you

(49:25):
keep hitting these patterns andthese blocks and you don't know why.
I think an integrated processing techniqueis a fantastic opportunity to dive into
what point and what age did that start andwhat do I need to know about that so that
I can heal and unblock from that trauma.
and what age
also am on Instagram at Prism underscorehealing and TikTok at Prism healing and

(49:53):
Facebook at Courtney Pearls Prism healing.
So you can find me on any of those places.
that trauma.
think that's about it.
Is there anything else?
I will be having another HeartSmartArt workshop starting in January for
the little guys age five to eight.
Well, five to nine.

(50:14):
you
I'm a little flexible on that.
But it's a once a month workshop forlittle kids to just help them learn
how to understand their feelingsand express feelings through art.
it.
And so if you are listening now and you'rewanting to get your little one signed up,
please reach out to me at any of thoseplaces that I just mentioned, my website.

(50:34):
the little guys age
then you can also go to my websiteto check out my blog, which I have
all of my episodes of the podcast.
Poss
I will have
blog post for this one as well.
So I think that's about it.
Thank you so much, Cathy, for coming on.
It's been a blast.
Kathy Poss
that's about it.
Thank you so much, Cathy, for coming on.
It's been a blast.
it's been such a wonderful conversation.

(50:54):
really, again, appreciate youinviting me in because I do.
There's so much intersection and
and however,
however, you know, people want to heal andreally support their wellness is great.
Ride The Wave Media
I agree.
We're all in the communityof wellness together.
We're all in the communityof wellness together.
Witches and wizards, go make magic.
Yeah, exactly.

(51:16):
Witches and wizards, go make magic.
Yeah, exactly.
Yes!
Yes!

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