My Lady Jane by Cynthia Hand, Brody Ashton, and Jodi Meadows (and TV Adaptation Review)

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Welcome to Ready to be Romanced.I'm Tori.
And I'm Mariah. And today we're discussing my
Lady Jane. No, I always say that.
And also like 3 for three episodes I've recruited, I've
like forgot to say that, say thetitle and I'm like, we'll just

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roll with it. Welcome back to the podcast.
I'm so glad you're back. So excited I have so much to
say. OK, just wait.
Did I tell you to watch My Lady Jane, or did you find it
yourself? No, I watched it because I was
seeing all the Tik Toks about it, about the banter and I was
like, I'm not really into periodpiece shows.
Like I tried and I was like I watched season 2 for Jonathan

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Bailey, but I didn't, I don't know.
I wasn't really super into it. But then I saw the Tik toks and
I was like, I'll give it a chance.
And then like I've been watchingall of the like, like one day
Maxton Hall called Mia, like everything.
And I've been really like lovingthem.
But then this one, as soon as I started watching it and there
was like them, like the TV show,like the couple as like the

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leads and then like the magic and everything.
I just, you know, when you get that little like I'm going to
fangirl so hard over this, like there's something about this
that's like clinging on. And I was like, Oh no, I was
like, oh, grace. And then I watched it all in
like 1 sitting. Yeah, I, I totally feel like
that with like Outlander and stuff like that.

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This I like, I feel like I have tempered myself because spoiler
alert, it gets cancelled. But I feel like if there was
ongoing seasons and maybe there will be, who knows if a network
picks it up or Prime reconsidersor whatever, but like, I would
be going crazy. I was going to say balls to the

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ball, but I don't really. I don't.
Want to say I don't even know like what it is about a certain
thing, like certain things that I just like they hook in to me
like way more. And then I'm like following
everyone on Instagram and I'm looking at everything and I'm
watching all the fan edits. Like when I was sending you fan
edits earlier of the show, I waslike, I can't, I actually can't

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watch these because then I'll want to go watch it again.
It's like the comfort. Relatable SO.
I was like I need to stop. I also just love and we'll, I
know we're like Jimmy, like I feel like.
We're gonna be. All over the place, yes, but I
was obsessed with the two unknown cast members.
Like the two leads being kind ofunknown.

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Like, I think that's really, really cool.
Yeah, I know. I just.
And now they're gonna blow up. Yeah, I hope.
So but I think it looked like they had so much fun on the set
and like making it and then whenit got cancelled, it seemed like
they were all posting like they were genuinely like really sad
about it. And I think the lead I always
get when I was like preparing for this, I was like, Edward is

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like it in the in the book, there's Edward, but like the guy
who played Hilford in the in theshow is named Edward.
So I was like getting all confused, but he like kind of he
says he kind of does like similar shows and like his
acting has kind of been like similar roles, But I think this
one was like he felt was like this is different, Like this is
like a step up in like production and like everything

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and having fun with it. And he has like lots of fun with
the no spoilers but like the jokes about of courses so.
Yes, yes, which is very special.There's something about period
pieces. I feel like maybe it's the fun
costuming or something. But I do always feel like those
sets, like the casts are really close and like they have a

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really good time. And yeah, the TV show was just
like really well done. So I would be surprised that if
if anyone didn't have a good time.
Yeah, but literally when they again we're getting hurt
ourselves. But like when they said when I
said season no season 2, I was so sad.
And then so many people said Devo and they're like, what do

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you mean? Like I don't get it.
So. No, that's so fair 'cause I I
remember I told you about Emily Vader being cast as Poppy in
People We Meet on Vacation, but were you the one to message me
about it being. Cancelled yeah I'm sorry, I'm

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Devo and I was like super excited like oh she's gonna be
with Tom Blight in this and we're so excited about it and
then they're like we cancelled it and I'll.
Immediate crash. Yeah.
And then I'm like, OK, well, shegets to do that.
What about what does Edward? What does he get to do?
Like he's probably. So he wants to keep going.
Totally, totally. OK, let's talk about the book.

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So spoiler warning, we will be discussing the current book, My
Lady Jane and its TV series adaptation, but nothing that
comes after that. And the book was written by
three authors, Cynthia Hand, Brody Ashton and Jody Meadows,
and it was published June 7th, 2016.
So like do we know if they switched 'cause it switches
between perspective so did like each one write a perspective?

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OK, so it's so interesting because I thought that too,
because we get Edwards POV and then we get Jane and Giffords
because he's he's named fucking Gifford in the in the book,
which is so weird. I'm really glad that they change

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it to Gilford. I feel like that's like more
like sexy and like dignified andstuff like that.
But there was like the whole plot point about how Gifford is
kind of a embarrassing name and like that he wants people to
call him GE. But and also, the real life
person was named Gilford Dudley,not Gifford.

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Yeah. So I was like, I guess maybe
they're doing that in the book just for like, I don't, I don't
know. I'm glad, yeah.
I'm glad that the show did like the historical, like the names.
Yeah, 100%. That's the other thing.
So if you didn't know, Jane Greyis a real life person.
She ruled similar to the book. She ruled for nine days after

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King Edward and then was overthrown.
There's that infamous picture ofher being beheaded, I think at
the Tower of London. But like, not, not 100% sure.
Not up to date on my British history.
But yeah, the book is loosely based, obviously on a real life

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person. And yeah, it's interesting.
You're right about the three authors.
I, I'm, I'm unsure because I couldn't find too too much
information about how like theirwriting process, but it is
written by yeah, the three people.
So I'm not sure if they each choose a, a voice or yeah, if

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they just do it all together, kind of like Christina Lauren,
like that's two people technically.
So I'm not 3. It would make the most sense
like be the easiest, not easiest, but like that's since
there are three perspectives. I just assumed that because that
would it be really difficult to write a book with three people
where you're all involved. I think that all the time, which

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is weird 'cause there is a very clear cohesive voice like and
narrator and tone in this book. But I think about that all the
time because if I don't know if you ever had to write a paper in
university in a like with a group and it was just fucking
brutal, 'cause like, be like, hey, you take the intro, you
take like this, I'll take the conclusion or whatever.

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And then it was like different tones of voice and different
like professionalism and like all of that stuff in one paper,
and it was always awful. I wonder if, like, I wonder if
maybe one of them was like more of like the overall narrator
'cause they're, I don't, I don'tknow, I have to see if that
comes up. But like the one thing that the

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book did that the show like it brought over to the show, which
made the show so good, was like that narration throughout it.
And, but obviously the show likemade it funnier and like changed
it up. But as soon as I was listening
to it as an audio book and as soon as I started it, I was
like, OK, it's it definitely is setting the tone that the show
had to see where they got that from.

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They definitely kept the tone, which I really respected and
appreciated. But also I want to say if people
haven't read the book yet and are planning to read it after
they listen to this episode or whatever, please listen to the
audio book. I think I would have DNF Ed this
book if I read it like just because the jokes and stuff
don't land. Like the narrator is so good

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with all of the accents and all of the like emphasis and like
the jokes really hit and I don'tthink that would happen.
Yeah, and the banter, like the way people back and forth, like
someone will make a joke and then like at one point she like
makes a horse joke and then she he's like, OK now.
Or he's like, no, you can't do like or when they're like the
rules later on we'll get into the rules.
But the way that they were like delivered was, yeah, if I was

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reading it, it wouldn't have been the same.
So definitely a an audio book. Totally.
So obviously the other big twistis that there's magic in this
book. So there is a group of people
called Etheans, which they say Etheans in the show, but Atheans
in the recording. So we might switch in between,

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same with Gifford and Guilford, but they are people that can
transform into animals. And then there's verities,
people that believe humans should stay humans.
And we actually meet Edward 1st and I was texting Mariah earlier
about this. Just that he honestly could

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have. He's kind of almost the main
character in the book. And I didn't expect that at all.
Which is wild. No, I was shocked because he's
kind of really B list in the show.
But he is like just as importantor more important than Jane or
Gifford in the book. And he's 16 years old.

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He is king and he's dying with the affliction.
And we meet him with his advisory Lord Dudley, who's
telling him that Mary, his eldest half sister, should not
be queen because she hates Athens and that would cause
disruptions and chaos in the country.

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So he suggests that they name Jane, another 16 year old, his
cousin, a very tenacious book lover and his best friend to
marry first Mary Gifford. And then later on in the book he
proposes, like really shortly after, to name her as his heir.

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Gifford is the second son of Lord Dudley.
Stan is the first who we meet inthe show and Gifford is kind of
treated like shit because he's aAtheon and he changes from a
horse from sunrise to sunset. It's so funny.
I really feel like you couldn't choose another animal like a

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horse was I think perfect, but also I.
Was so surprised at how instantly they told you this in
the book. Like first track, like
immediately they're like, it should be my son.
And he this is like he's a horse.
And like, so like Edward knows right away, but it just there's
no like, I guess it. And we're also because we watch

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the show first. We've got that in our minds.
But even reading the book like there was no like, let's hold
out and, you know, set this up and then make it a surprise
later. It was like literally right
away. They just came out with it and
said it. Totally, totally.
And yeah, Edward agrees with this because he's like, really
sick, so he's kind of disagreeing with everything.

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But he later reflects when he's feeling better that he was more
like passive and that he wants to be like a stronger leader.
Gifford or G has a reputation for being a ladies man and
people assume because he's only seen out at night, because he's
only a man at night and he likesbeing an Athian.

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Like he likes the freedom it gives him.
But obviously he's like it's a curse because I can't live a
normal life where it's like totally different in the show.
He like fucking hates it. Like he doesn't seem see like
any redeeming redeeming qualities of being an Athian.

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And also with other people they can control, like they can kind
of go in and out like whenever they want, but he can't do it,
so he has no choice. Yeah, and he believes that he
doesn't know. Like I don't think because
Athians are like persecuted people, they don't talk to each
other except for if you've like banded together and live on the
outskirts of society like the pack.

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So he doesn't, I think, know that you can change at will or
like learn to change at will. So he really just sees it as a
curse. OK.
Also, can you clear this up for me 'cause I'm like still
confused. Is Gifford slash Guilford slash
G? Is he actually a ladies man?
Because OK, yes, OK, that's whatI thought.

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But then like, because they reference that he like has this
reputation, but then he's like, actually I'm like kind of like a
loser playwright poet. But then it seems, I don't know,
it seemed like he also still like was like hooking up with
women and stuff like I couldn't really.
Tell I feel like in the show, like, I mean, again, like

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they're younger in the books, like in the books they're like
16 and 19. And then in the in the show
they're like, you know, like midto late 20s or like, yeah, like
I feel like, so in the book I feel like even not to skip
ahead, but at the end, like at the very, very end when he's
kind of like talking to her and kind of like admitting that he's
not a ladies man. I think it was almost like
something's about to happen and I need to like let her know that

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I'm not a ladies man and what I've been doing.
But then I didn't, I didn't pickit up in the when I watch the
show the first time, when he stands up on the table and he's
like, would anyone like to hear a poem?
And everyone's like, Oh no, I didn't even pick it up until I
read the book because they don'treally go in.
They don't go into that at all in the show, but like what he is
actually doing at night. So when I watched the show, I

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was like, yeah, he probably is doing all this stuff because
they didn't tell like about the power clean, everything like
that. Thank you, that totally clears
it up for me And yes, OK. Also, I think this was a huge
loss for the TV show because I loved that he had this like
charming kind of bad boy persona, but like inwards, he is

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a nerdy playwright at because she is a a bookish, like she's a
nerd. She like loves reading and
making tinctures and like all ofthis stuff.
And that's what they really bondover in the book.
And I think that was a a big loss in the TV show.
There's like little glimpses of him being, like, really
impressed with her. But the book did have those

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things where it was like, yeah, like them enjoying time together
more and yes, yes. And I feel like, I feel like he
that I feel like he the guy who played him as just that
character because there's like an interview where they're
talking about how the main girl,Emily, was like nailing her
English accent and like how she like worked on it.

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And then he just, she kind of says she was like watching Pride
and Prejudice to like practice. And then he just starts spewing
off Pride and Prejudice lines. Like in the interview.
He's just like everyone in the comments is like, no.
Like where's the reboot of Prideand Prejudice?
Like so. They threw it in there a little

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bit though. Like I again with that like line
when he's on the table. Like I didn't even think about
it. I was kind of like, oh, that's
interesting. Like why is he talking about
saying a poem or something? But they kind of sprinkled it in
there a little bit. Totally.
So both Jane and Gifford are really upset because Jane thinks

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she's marrying A scandalous rake, and then he thinks he's
marrying a like a bookish loser,basically.
Bright red hair. Yeah, with bright red hair like
that, it's like Jane's nose is in a book.
Like, that's her reputation. So they're both really upset,

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but she does eventually accept it because Edward's really sick.
And that's her cousin and her best friend.
We get to their wedding day and she sees Gifford at the end of
the aisle and she's like, Oh my God, he's so gorgeous.
He thinks the same thing about her, but he seems so like Blase.

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Like he's really trying to, I think, like, hold it together.
Like he seems very disinterestedthat she's like Oh my God.
I like still hate him but he's really hot.
Well, and also she's like, thankgoodness he doesn't have the
nose like his dad and brother's nose because she was like coming
up the whole time. And then like I like did like
some of the comments when he would like when his dad would

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come in the room, they'd like make a comment about like his
nose entering first and just like little things.
And I'm like, that's mean but hilarious so.
So funny and I like their banterhere.
Like he's talking about like trying to make it through the
wedding supper and she's like, well, I hope that there's like a
buxom waitress that you can lookat or whatever.

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And then he's like, well, I hopethere's books there.
So you're entertained. Like it's it's really cute and
very, you know, light enemies tolovers coated.
He's really nervous to tell her about the effient thing.
She at this point has no idea and it's their wedding night and
he gets drunk and he tries to tell her and he just blurts out

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I'm a horse, which is so funny. But like he like falls asleep.
He's like clearly like really drunk and she just obviously
doesn't understand what he's saying.
And then because again, he's so drunk and he's out of his normal
routine of like sleeping in the stable or whatever, he forgets
Don is approaching and he tries to get her to leave because he

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wakes up next to her but then just ends up turning into a
horse and she is fucking shocked.
Not as shocked as I feel like she should be though.
I'm like in this little room andshe's like 100% answer me,
answer me. I'm like, he's a horse, he can't
answer you. No, that was so funny.

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She's like nod your head or likeblink, like blink.
If you can answer my questions, it's like really cute.
But she, I should say, she's like an Effian sympathizer, so
she's intrigued by what's happening.
Edward's getting sicker and sicker.
So we get the scene where he advises him to name Jane as his

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heir. He's so sick that he passes out
one night and he overhears his doctor and Lord Dudley saying it
is done and it will be done. So he finally has an inkling
that actually he doesn't have the affliction.
He's being poisoned. I was so shocked by this, like,
like obviously in the show because I watched that first,

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but like, I was just like, Oh myGod, he's going to die.
That's how Jane becomes queen. Like, that's how it's going to
go. But obviously that's not what
happened at all. He finds out that he is being
poisoned because his dog Petuniaor pet turns into a girl and
she's the daughter of his like loyal servant.
And she's like, hey, by the way,you're being poisoned by Lord

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Dudley and your doctor. You don't have the.
Affliction. Like, I can smell like there's
something weird in your food, and that's how she's kind of
like picking up on it. Yes, yes, which was really
smart. Of her she's freaking out.
I love how like they, they did this in the show too, where
they're like, he's so like naiveand like inexperienced and like

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young. Like just sometimes he'll make
comments and he'll be like, well, yeah, of course, like a
woman can't do this. And then yeah.
And then like he's like when sheturns into a, when she turns
into a person, he's just like, it's not so much of that.
It's like she's been sleeping inmy bed and like, I mean, like

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I'm 19. His worry about dying at 19 is
I've never kissed anyone. Like he's just so.
And they do that in the show andthey even make a comment.
The narrator in the show makes acomment about he's not very
smart and like. No, yes, yeah.
I loved basically Edward the entire book.
Wax's poetic about how he's never been kissed and like for a

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lot of it, obviously he thinks that he is going to die, never
have been kissed. Even when he finds out he's
being poisoned, he's like, well,it might, it still might be too
late. Like they might have poisoned me
enough that I'll just never recover from this.
It was really sweet. Like his chapters about wanting

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to be kissed and stuff like that.
But like it was so much. Like it fucking dragged on and
on. Like I was like, OK, like.
Also. Wrap it up.
Crush on his cousin? Yes.
Yes. And they're like, it was a
different time. And I'm like, I get that.
But I didn't expect there to be so much like, crush on his
cousin and then Gifford being like, are they in love?

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Like I'm like jealous. Like what the heck is happening?
I hated that and I think it was so smart to make him gay in the
TV show because then it just, itclears everything else.
And to like, not like go to the show.
I thought it was hilarious when his dog turned into a girl and
then the narrator's like he realized he doesn't like women
like she would. He turns into a girl and she's

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like naked in front of him. He's just like, oh, he realizes.
Nope, I don't like that. So funny in the book, did you
think that he was gonna get together with Petunia?
Yeah, I did. Yes, OK, me too.
But like literally the entire time I was kind of like, and it
seemed like she liked him, so I was like why?

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Why don't they? Get and she was also a little
bit like weird too, like I'm like, all this might be a good
match because they're both. But yeah, I mean, and also
sometimes like sometimes skipping a little bit in his
chapters. So sometimes I'd be like half of
a year, like why is this so long?
I wanna get back to the others. So Jane and Gifford go on their

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honeymoon and on the way there they witnessed the pack, which
is a group of atheans attacking a group of villagers for a cow.
Jane stops the carriage and she steps in to help, and Gifford
doesn't want to because he knowsthat the pack is made-up of
Effie and Wells. I think at this point, Jane
doesn't realize that they're atheans and he kind of saves her

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but helps her because she kind of, and this is throughout their
relationship, but she kind of like bulldozes ahead and he's
like, no, I, I will step in, butlet's like come up with like a,
a smart and safe plan before we do that.
They're able to kind of leave unscathed.
But there are some villagers that are injured.

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So after they get back to, they're heading to like the
Dudley's countryside estate, they get a bunch of, they get a
bunch of tinctures and food and supplies and go back to help the
villagers. And this is like the first time
I think Gee is like really captivated by Jane.

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Like I think he's like, oh, she like she's actually beautiful
and like, she's really smart. But I think seen her help these
people and like show off her talent with like potions and
stuff like that, I think he really was impressed by that.
I think they're like working together and they were getting
all like excited and then they're like going out on this

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little quest together. And then while she was there was
like a moment where she's like wrapping someone up or helping
someone that he's just like staring at her.
And like, again, because I've seen the show, I'm just
picturing the actors. So I'm like, maybe this is just
more effective because I've seenthe show.
But but it was, yeah, definitely.
That's when they start. We start to see the like, them

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getting along and their common interests or their common like,
yeah, they're like enjoying something together.
Yeah, it's very, very sweet. And again, Jane kind of like
storms into the village and Gifford is like, OK, well, they
would hate us because we're highborn, so let's like, pretend
and like, disguise as like villagers and stuff like that.

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So it just again, shows that kind of dynamic, which I think
is really fun. But they get back to their
estate and they discuss Gifford being a Athian.
She, again, is really intrigued by it.
She sees it as a blessing. And he's like, no, it's a curse.
And they start talking about if they ran the country, they would

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could unite the Athens and the verities and help the poor and
educate women and all of this like really fun.
Stuff and they're like agreeing on all of it and then like every
single thing and then I think hemakes a joke about like
something about alcohol or something like that.
They like look for him and then he just switches it and he's
like actually education for women or something.
It was so. Funny, Yeah.

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He was like free ale for everybody or whatever.
And then he was like. And.
They're like agreeing. And I think that's when she is
like, oh, like we think the same.
And she's kind of like, maybe this isn't so bad.
Like maybe. And there's like little glimpses
of like, when he's called her husband and she's like, oh,
maybe I maybe I kind of like that like.
Totally. And this is a time where he's

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like, I kind of want to tell herthat like there is more than to
me than like, you know, going out and stuff like that.
Like I am a poet. I do write poetry and like, I
appreciate beauty and stuff. Whatever you need to do to,
like, witness whatever you need to witness to write poetry.

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But he thinks at this point she would, like, laugh at him.
So he doesn't tell her. But they have a moment where
they almost kiss, but they get interrupted.
I literally was going to like there was times where I was
driving or listening to this book and like literally about to
fucking strangle the authors because there is like what, 10

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almost kisses in this book. Well, and and I was texting you
like how far are you? And you're like, I'm at chapter,
whatever you're like, haven't even kissed yet.
But that's how I felt in that season 2 of Bridgerton.
Like when I was watching that season, I was like, it's until
the last episode. I was going to go through this
many episodes before. Yes, and it's funny they did

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that in like High School Musicaltoo, where Troy and Gabriella
like almost kiss and like all three movies or whatever.
Until like the final moment. But we were like Queens.
So we were like, Oh my goodness,like we appreciated that.
Now we're like, what the heck isgoing on like?
Yes, yes, yes. Now we're like exact New Years
first scene. Why didn't you kiss her?

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Exactly. Totally.
So they're interrupted by the Kingsguards and they are told
that they have to go back to London.
Meanwhile, Edward is visited by his two sisters and he realizes
that Mary is poisoning him. She's in on the plan because

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he's like telling them that his staff is poisoning him and she
is clearly in on it. And Bess, who is Elizabeth
Tudor, tells him you can trust me.
Don't trust Mary, I'll come backfor you.
Later that night. Bess tries to come and warn him

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that he's going to be like further attacked and he's in a
weakened state. But Edward can't escape.
And Bess is like, I've got news for you.
You're actually an Ethian and you could fly out the window if
you want. And he's like, or I guess she
doesn't know his form, but you could escape in this other way.

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You just don't know it yet because his dad was a lion and
his mom was a bird. So it's like if you're both of
your parents are Athians, you'relike almost guaranteed I guess
to be an Athian. Yeah.
But then later on, like the whole Athian thing kind of gets
like, I don't know, we'll talk about that.
Yes, yes, but this I feel like actually was the most exciting

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moment in the book. Like they're like guards at the
door. They're literally breaking in.
They, they like, bloodlet him and try to kill him and then he
turns into a a bird and flies away and that's it was really
exciting. And I guess they needed that
like heightened like excitement and emotion so that he could
turn into cause somebody's dad, like when his dad was a lion and

(29:38):
like every time he was super angry, he would turn into it and
then he would like eat the messengers and eat the people
that he was upset with. So yeah, it has to be like it's,
it's like connected to your emotions.
Exactly. At least the first time maybe
like when you first turn. Yeah, let's hear your like
hearts desires or something. I don't know.
It's it's kind of a little hokey.

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Although I. Something I didn't talk about
before, but I loved, I did love the banter when they were when
Jane and Gifford were going to the honeymoon and they hit the
books in between them and like she kept they're leaning on my
books, like don't touch my books.
Like just it's hard to explain like without the actual like
wording, but I just there was like good banter there.
But again, I'm picturing them soI'm like, I don't some of this

(30:20):
stuff that I'm like, that's hilarious because it's an audio
book. But I think I'm like, is this,
would this hit the same or like be the same if I was picture, if
I wasn't picturing these two people that I'm like in my head
who they are so. Again, I would have DNF D this
so fucking fast. One of one of my notes.
We're gonna get to some of like one of my notes in here.

(30:41):
All it says is why is he doing so many horse things when he's
not a horse? Yes, that's a good point though,
because in the book they have like a tougher time switching
between forms. Like they still, when they're
like readjusting, they still kind of do horse.

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Kind of like trots over. He like gallops or feel like eat
funny or like he'll nay basically and like I hated.
That I was like, no, I saw a tweet too.
That was like when you didn't extend it to Season 2, you
pissed off all the horse girls. Funny because when I watched the
show, I I didn't feel like. But when I read the book, I was

(31:25):
like, oh, like, this is a yes. Like I just, I didn't like all
of that stuff. Like the rules in the horse
jokes, which we'll get to like, they were funny.
They were hilarious. But yeah, when there are little
comments about him, like still doing kind of horsey things, I
was like, no. Or like pooping like court, like
as a horse, like in the room with Jane.

(31:47):
I was like, could you fucking nod?
That's disgusting. Truly got the ick.
From that, sorry, but there was he pooped in the room, but she
like she had left and then he was stuck there because he
couldn't get out the door. And then she comes back and he's
poop in the room and she's like,well, I'll wait until he changes
back. So she like lays some clothes
out for him and then she puts a candle on and then she sits on
the bed. I'm like, no, I would put the
clothes and I'd be like, I'm leaving, I'll leave.

(32:12):
Somewhere else, yeah. It's so gross, like just
thinking about that. But yeah, so I I didn't like
that. I think it was smart the way
that they did it in the show where it was like very clean
transitions. Sorry, I was a little rap
because I was I posted on my story the video where at the end
of the show when they're in likethe court and he's a horse and

(32:33):
then he turns back into a personand then like they put them on
their knees in front of each other and then he's like, I'm
sorry, whatever. And it's like such a good
moment, but I'm just imagining if he came out and as they're
grabbing him, he's like doing horse things or he burns stones
out on the ground. Like it would have just
completely like ruined it. It wouldn't have been the same.
It would make it so farcical andlike I I did hate in the show

(32:57):
when they have sex for the firsttime and then he wakes.
Up. So hoarse.
I was like, that is horrific. Oh, in the show, Yeah, yeah,
yeah. Yes, yeah.
I was like, I hate this because it's funny as of like it just
not that it's bestiality, but like it kind of toes the line in
a way that I'm not interested. At least it was like, I mean, it

(33:18):
was a really good scene. And then at least there's like
them laying there together aftertalking and it's like, oh, like
they're all happy or whatever, and then they fall asleep and
then wakes up and he's horse, but like it.
Yeah. I would almost have been better
if in the show he had like therewas a little quick scene where
he was like getting up to leave.Yeah, like he was like running
away because he knew he was going to turn.

(33:40):
Something like that could have been a cute moment where he
could have like, like, touched her hair, like, she's asleep,
right? And he, like, wakes up to try
and, like, move. And then he's, like, admiring
her, like kind of brushing her hair away and being like, oh,
all cute. And then he like, leaves.
And then you don't, you know, But yeah, she wakes up.
He wakes up and it's always or like, yes, I completely agree
that it's like maybe he could have been like I want to stay, I

(34:01):
want to stay like don't change, don't change and then he ends up
changing or something like that.And like sneaking away too,
because even though she knows, it's like he's ashamed still.
Although in the show they don't return naked.
Yes, yes. So does that mean?
No, they don't. But the dog does.
So was she just naked? Old.

(34:23):
Yes. Oh my God, yes.
I was like, no, just wait. Petunia does.
And they, and they said in the book that like it was the first
time anyone had seen her, like with clothes at one point.
And I'm yeah, everyone else whenthey go.
Back and forth. They're in her clothes, so she
just was. Yeah, special.
It was very Twilight coded whichlike with Jacob, which this was

(34:46):
written in 2016. So maybe this is our little
Twilight stamp, like on the the book by Jacob, like running and
turning into a wolf and shredding.
Which makes. Sense.
They get back to the castle and they're in the throne room and
they tell her that Edward has died due to the affliction and
she's like fucking stunned. This is a cute moment where like

(35:07):
Gifford wants to comfort her buthe doesn't know then Lord
Dudley's like and also he named you as the heir.
You're the Queen of England and you are about to get crowned.
And she like is fucking shook. She's frozen in her little
boots. She is like, I'll always be here

(35:29):
for you. Like I'll help you through this
because she wants to like basically immediately abdicate.
Well, and Gifford's also like, why is my dad so excited right
now? Like he's getting suspicious.
He's like I'm watch, he's watching him and he's like,
something's happening. Like, yeah, I think this is the
start of the moment too, where they they were a team.
And like, he's he keeps like he it's like he likes saying like

(35:50):
my wife. And it's like kind of he's like
stepping. Yeah.
And I'm like, oh, this is cute. He's very my wife, my lady, my
dear, It's it's cute. Gifford overhears Lord Dudley,
his dad and Mary talking about Jane being crowned and Mary does
not accept it because she wants to be queen and she thought that

(36:11):
that was the plan. So she kind of got cut out of
the original plan. Gifford and Jane are really
scared and the the rest of the court are really scared because
Mary couldn't command an army and get the backing of an army
because she's very pro Verity. Like there's a possibility that
she could be overthrown. Meanwhile, Edward is relieved

(36:32):
he's a bird and his like wounds heal when he becomes his animal
form. And he's heading to see his
grandma because she is a known Effian and they outcast her like
they exiled her from society so he thinks she'll be able to
help. And I was confused at this point
at this part, because in the book or in the show, they said

(36:56):
she's like he thinks she's dead and then they like get a message
to him somehow. So then he's going to go see
her. But yeah, so I was kind of like,
it's it is because there was such like big changes I was
trying to figure out. I was like, OK, what?
What was happening here? And his Gran in the show is like
fucking evil and she's like a lovely healer in the book.

(37:19):
So I was like shook to my core that it didn't have this like
evil twist. And I was like happy.
I was like Jane and Edward need someone on cuz it's Jane's
grandma too because they're fucking cousins and they need
someone on their side at this point.
On route Edward falls asleep, turns back into his human form

(37:39):
and is woken up by a Scottish girl named Gracie Mctavish.
They get into like some scufflesand he tries to lie about being
the king but they end up introducing their real selves
and he tells her the whole storyand she basically says she's

(37:59):
willing to help him. And I was a little confused with
this. Is she supposed to be a
character that we've met in the show?
Because in the show, Jane has that girl that OK.
Because I was because then Susanna in the show, Suzanna and
him kind of like they're kind oflike going to the market to try
and find the person with the poison.

(38:20):
And they kind of had like their story where there's no like
romance, but they're like, you know, kind of going along.
So I was like, maybe this is this character that they're
introducing later or something, but.
That's a really good point. I feel like Gracie is a mix
between Susanna and Fitz becausethey're both Ethne Athians.
They both are with the pack. But yeah, it is kind of

(38:44):
confusing because she's also a huge character in the books and
she just gets fully cut in the show.
Like ripped. They like, replace her with
Jane's like. Maid I guess.
Yeah, yeah. So Jane, back at the castle, is
getting a little bit suspicious.She wants to see Edward's body

(39:05):
and pay her respects, but Lord Dudley won't let her.
Lord Dudley, like his intentionsare clear as day.
He literally pitches a coronation ceremony for Gifford
to Jane, and she realizes what'shappened.
Basically that she has been a pawn in his game and that the
real plan was to make Gifford the king.

(39:28):
And it was like, why didn't LordDudley as like a villain?
Just like Pace himself? A little bit because.
If he like, if he just waited like six months, it probably
would have been fine. Yeah.
And also I feel like this is it was a good little spot though,
because then she's like is the Gifford knows about know about
this too. Like it kind of, you know, like,

(39:49):
like the relationship is going well and it's kind of a little
bit over roadblock of like, doeshe actually care?
Like is this real? Yeah, like that's what he wanted
to. But then.
But I think she like knows him to know that he doesn't want
that. But she's probably looking back
at those conversations they had where he's like really pushing
and being like, oh, if we were if we were ruling it together,
so. Totally, totally.
Which is fair because it's like,yes, she's seen some good things

(40:12):
from him, but they don't know each other really well and they
haven't tested that. Like trust.
They only get like half of the time together.
Yes you're right they only get half the day together and she
flat out refuses him and she's like no he's a horse how would
he rule the Kingdom? Yeah, how will we?
Which it's like fair. Everything important at night.

(40:35):
Yeah, like logistically it doesn't make sense.
Which again, why didn't Lord Dudley think that through for
like 2 seconds? Which also made sense in the
show how they were like she could help us figure it this out
and she could help us so that I don't have this anymore.
So that kind of need more sense.It was like it will benefit us

(40:55):
because then then yes, like he wanted him to be king, but this
would also fix the problem. And then he could be a normal
where they didn't talk about that at all in this, like it
wasn't a goal. Like he wanted to do it, but it
wasn't in the show. It is like a condition of them
being together or not being together.

(41:15):
If you're gonna help me or not. Yeah, that is such a good point.
You're totally right. Like in it's never said that
because Jane is really book smart and is always coming up
with, yeah, potions and lotions and stuff like that, that she
could possibly find an Effian here.
But that is the main driving factor in the show.

(41:38):
Gifford finds out about this plan and he's like, OK, just
wait, So what? Am I supposed to be just your
Prince consort? So he feels mad because he feels
like she's ashamed of him being an Athian and not like having
any power in this relationship. So he, like, switches the script

(42:00):
and starts calling her Your Majesty, which is really tough
to hear because, yeah, he's always like my wife, my lady, my
dear. But he realizes with some time
away because they have like a big bloat argument that he
doesn't actually want to be king.
And he was like, I'm kind of being unfair.

(42:20):
And like he doesn't say sexist out, like he doesn't say that
explicitly, but like he's like I'm kind of being a little bit
unfair and a little bit sexist. This was like the cutest part
and I wish we saw more of this. But to apologize Jane because
they've been having their only interactions like in court and
stuff like that. But Jane plans like a two person

(42:43):
dinner and they each like apologize and kind of explain
what was going on for them. And then she gets, like, he can
feel her excitement, like, as this goes on.
Then when it's like getting close to, like, she knows he's
gonna turn and she's like, getting things ready.
And she's like, yeah, like, you can feel her excitement.
And I think he did a good job ofthat where it was like, slowly
putting in like, oh, I like thisperson that's building

(43:05):
naturally. And then you see her excitement
for it. Yeah, like getting his apples
and getting his clothes. And, yeah, it's very cute.
So he sneaks to the Tavern in disguise, and he hears soldiers
saying Long live Queen Mary. And basically, they have
established plans to overthrow the queen.
But before he's really able to warn Jane, Mary's army shows up

(43:28):
at the gates. And then we flashback to Edward
and which is like, so annoying because I'm like, what the
fuck's going to happen? Like what's happening with Jane
and Gifford? But we flashback to Edward and
Gracie's like kind of annoyed that Edward is king and
frustrated that he like, can't take care of himself, which is

(43:51):
like so fair, but he's like, it's not that I don't want to.
It's that like the way that I'vebeen raised, people have always
done things for me and he realizes like he wants to change
and she's the girl that will be able to push him in that
direction. He's like, I don't want to take
care of you and teach you how todo all these things.
And we're like, fair, yeah. Yeah, yeah, like that is

(44:14):
legitimate. So they transform into their
Athen beings and head to the grandma's house because he's
still sick, like he's still sickat this point.
But they get to his gran's houseand Bess is there and they give
him the poison antidote and he is like slowly healing.

(44:34):
Then we flashback to Jane and G and they are captured by Mary's
army and taken to the throne room and Mary is already on the
throne wearing the fucking crown.
Very much like the TV show and she reveals her plan that Jane
will need to renounce the crown and at the ends or she will be

(44:56):
exiled or killed. And before she can even do that,
Dawn breaks and she becomes a horse, outing him as an AT.
The I just picture like everyonejust like talking and then all
of a sudden just like, and everyone's like, what the hell
just happened? Like he's so embarrassed.
He's like, I'm just a horse now.It's so funny because you think

(45:19):
that there would be like more like, I guess when prior to Jane
he had like a route, a pretty tight routine.
But like, I feel like there would be a lot more incidents
where he's becoming a horse and yeah, he's like, I don't know,
on a balcony or something. And then I can't take the weight
or something. I don't know.
It's so. Funny a poetry reading and he

(45:40):
gets really drunk and then he like is still in the bar or
something like. Yes.
Also, like in the show, they seemed more like it was like
pretty like strict about like where they are and and like this
is going to happen. But in the show, in the book, it
felt like things kept happening where I was like, you've been
living like this for six years apparently, so why don't you
know this? And if you're going to the

(46:01):
castle, but you know that it dawned, you're going to turn,
then why don't you wait like. I know, I know.
It's not like, oh, it's a surprise, like and you don't
know, they don't know they're going to get like like captured
or whatever. But maybe like strategically,
you know, strategically plan thetiming of this.
No, truly. Yeah.

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They have like, hours notice every single day and they still,
like, are caught in these situations.
And obviously everyone, like Mary especially, is mad at
Gifford for being a horse. And they're like, and Jane is a
Ethian sympathizer, clearly. And Jane's like, well, Lord
Dudley obviously knew that's hisson.

(46:42):
And they're like. That's OK.
And you know, he said, he says he's like, I have no idea.
Like, you know, he's just like ateenager running around like I
didn't know this. And she's like, yes, you do.
But then like he Gifford is like, Oh, well, like she totally
could have just denounced me. Like she could have just said
like, I had no idea and I don't whatever.
But like, she didn't. She stayed by him so.

(47:03):
Yes, which is very, very sweet. At some points I was like, you
don't know this man like. But he's, he's so handsome.
I know, I know. No, I would, I would have been,
I would have been that bitch to trust me.
But like in the 1st. Chapter I have a note that I
laughed at because in the very first chapter where he's trying
to pitch his son to Edward, he'slisting all these good qualities

(47:26):
and he's like excellent bone structure.
And I was like, yes. Check.
Mark, yeah. They're jailed.
This is really sad and again, different because we do get a
redeeming storyline for Jane's mom in the show, but in the
book, she goes to Jane's jail cell, asks her to reconsider,

(47:50):
but it's not because she's goingto die.
It's because she'll bring shame to her family.
Jane brings up a really good point, which is when she was a
little kid she heard her mom anddad talking about how her mom
isn't at the end. So she's like trying to barter
and convince her mom to like take her side and stuff but her

(48:12):
mom just like absolutely refuses.
And when she first comes in, she's like, pretty frantic.
And you think that it's like, I care about you and like, I don't
want you to die. And it's almost like denounced
so that you can stay alive. And that's what the show kind of
feels like. But yeah, then she just ruins it
right after in the book where she was like, think of what, you
know, our family, family reputation and what people think

(48:33):
of us. And then it's kind of ruined.
Which is like absolutely fuckingbrutal.
But then again, this is because it doesn't happen in the show.
I'm sorry that. I keep saying that.
I was shook and because I was ahead of you reading I didn't
want to message you because I didn't want to spoil it and I
didn't remember what chapter it was in, but holy shit, Jane

(48:56):
turns into a fucking ferret and escapes.
Well, and in the beginning we don't know what she is because
she has nowhere yes, but I was first of all audiobook.
Second of all, I'm listening to it on like 1.5 speed.
Like the thoughts and like the movements are already so fast
because she's like. And then I went up here and here
and here and I went around here and I went under here and I was
like, it was going so fast. But yeah, no, that was I, I was

(49:19):
so surprised because there's like no hint of anything like
that does not happen. So that was like a.
It was a fun surprise though. It was super fun and she's like
thrilled about it. So I liked this twist.
And she finds Gifford and they escape by tricking the guard

(49:41):
together. They grab Pet and they leave the
castle. And we flashback to Edward and
we find a little bit more about Gracie.
Basically just that her whole family was atheans and English
guards set their house on fire because they knew they were
atheans and their family couldn't escape because they

(50:01):
were all like large animals but she was a fox so she was able to
escape. They almost kiss again but Gran
interrupts because they've got business to attend to and that
is Bess's map of all the guards and her game plan of taking back
the crown and she says that theyneed to go to France to gain

(50:23):
favor from the King and Mary, Queen of Scots because they need
an army. Yeah.
Also when I was watching again, I wonder, like watching the
show, but when Ben and I were watching the show, when we went
to Scotland, everything was about Mary Queen of Scots
everywhere, like history, so much history.
So when we were watching the show, we were like, Ben was

(50:45):
like, is Mary like evil Mary supposed to be Mary Queen of
Scots? He could.
Oh I OK I thought that too but no I think she's married Tutor.
Yes, and like Bloody Mary is theother person but I'm so bad at.
It So I was like, I was wondering.
And then he was like, no, because it doesn't make sense
with like, whatever. But yeah.

(51:06):
And then also, sorry, when we were talking about when she
saves Gifford, I literally was like walking on my treadmill
listening to this, bursting out laughing because in his
description where he's like describing her like running
around the room and doing all these things and trying to
communicate with him, every single time he refers to her, he
refers to her something else. Like he doesn't know what she is

(51:28):
either. So it's like rodent, rat,
weasel. Then at one time like he's like
the hedgehog did this. And I like burst out laughing
because I was just, it's like, it's just like these subtle
things that they like included in there and they didn't like
make it obvious, but they just like put it in there.
And I was laughing because like he just has no idea what she is
and. Yeah, it was so funny and it was

(51:48):
so well written. And I think it's also fun that I
feel like when you have the female main character, it's like
you think they would be some type of like cool, like, or like
intelligent animal or something.And for it to be a ferret and
for for no one to really realizelike what that is.

(52:09):
And like, it was just, it was really funny.
So G and Jane are running away through the woods.
And when Jane was on her honeymoon, she wrote Edward a
letter and G found the letter and gave it back to her.
G realizes Edward wrote one wordon the letter and it was skunk.

(52:33):
She knew that that was her grandma's Ethian form.
So she knows that Edward is possibly at his grandma's house.
So they are trying to get there.And at this point, G is still
jealous of Edward. He thinks that there's something
going on between him and Jane, but that's obviously all in his

(52:56):
head. And they'll have, like, a nice
moment and then, like, she'll bearound Edward, and then suddenly
he'll just be like, she picks upon it, too.
She's like, things have not beenthe same since we picked up
Edward or we, like, reunited with Edward.
He's been, he's been weird. I'm like, yeah, he's been a boy.
Yeah. Exactly.
Cousin, I'm like chill. Out weird he keeps being like

(53:20):
are they kissing cousins or likethe normal kind or whatever.
I was like stop saying this. She signed the letter with all
my love. And then also when we were
getting married, she kept looking at him.
But she's literally looking at him.
Like, do you see how how handsome.
But also she's looking. Yes, my your husband is, but
he's looking kept looking over there.

(53:40):
Yeah. That's so funny.
And Pet picks up Gracie and Edward's scent so she's able to
lead them towards the grandma's house.
She keeps flipping in and out ofthe Ethian form.
So again, we learned that maybe that this is something that they
can control, but they need food.So they stop at a Tavern to

(54:03):
exchange some work for money. But it's the Packs Tavern and
they get into a huge brawl and Jane gets hurt.
So they have to really quickly get to the grandma's house so
she can get men to. The way that Gifford talks about
her being hurt, I was like, oh, no, like I literally, I was
listening to her and I was like,oh, no, she's hurt.

(54:24):
But then like the way he just like goes so soft and he's just
like, no, like he's you can tellhow much he cares.
It's very sweet because also when they get to the grandmas
and Edward and Jane are reunitedand she's like going in and out
of consciousness. Edward is watching G watch Jane

(54:47):
and he's like, oh, he's obsessed.
With her and doesn't she like helike wakes up and she says
Gifford or she says, Gee, like she's like looking for him.
Yeah, yeah, it's very, very cute.
And we find out she'll be fine. She will heal, thanks to the
Gran. And the grandma helps Edward

(55:10):
Gifford and Jane practice going in and out of their effient
form, and they're trying to makea plan to take back the throne.
And Jane suggests using the pack.
But Gracie, we learn, had a relationship with Archer, the
leader, so she doesn't want to. But they realize that it's kind

(55:31):
of their only option at this point.
I feel like this is the part of the book where things started to
just like, I know it's like important, but it just started
to get really like convoluted and just like so much like it's
like we need to stop at this barand work for money.
And I'm like, like, what do you mean just?
Like get to the grandma's house quest.
No, thank you for bringing that up.

(55:53):
Like, OK, if they cut the Tavernscene where Jane gets hurt, like
maybe she just like trips when they're like traveling to the
gran's house. And then if they cut out this
fucking bear side quest. And the trip to France.
And the chip to France, this book would honestly, I would

(56:13):
even give it like a 5 out of five.
But it gets so slow around here.I'm not gonna lie.
I put it up to 2X speed I think at this.
Point and it's it's a lot of Edward stuff.
Yes, it's so much Edward, like he is almost the main character
and I think like because I had watched the show 1st and because
we were so obsessed with it, AI didn't know this was a young

(56:35):
adult novel. So I was like kind of sad that
there was no smut. Or anything.
But but then the other part was just like, I was like, Oh my
God, like I can't fucking handlethis.
Like you need an editor. Like, even from a writing
perspective, like I was listening like going to France
and then like talking with Mary and like doing all this.

(56:57):
And then all of a sudden, like within one chapter, it's like,
and then we were arriving back to England from France and I was
like, this all happened like in one.
Like it didn't even go back. Where it's like now we're with
Gifford and Jane and then they like see him and he's come back.
You know what I mean? Like, it was like, I'm going
here and this happens and then I'm going back and I'm like,

(57:18):
this just seemed like you neededsomething to happen and you're
like, let's throw this chapter in here about going to the
France. I understand they can't pick up
the phone, but it seemed like a lot like it just.
Yeah, it just seems like we needto figure out what to do with
him in this chapter. And you're right, like why
didn't they send like a letter? Because it took them like four

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days or whatever to get to France Anyways, I guess they
didn't have the King's like sealor whatever, so no one would
know that it was the real Edward.
But I was annoyed. So many days of travel.
That are just not necessary. So yes, they recruit the pack.
Archer says no. He says yes, if they kill the
bear, they go kill the bear, they go to France, the king says

(58:04):
they will support their cause. And then they head back to
London with the army and they are sleeping in a tent outside
of the city and Jane and Giffordwake up together and or I guess
no, it'd be the opposite. They're going to bed because
Jane. Yeah, they have like a little

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bit of time when when he comes, it's night and he comes out and
then she turns. So it's like they literally have
been there. And that's what I thought too.
I was like, hey, I get it. But there was like so much back
and forth of like a full day without like the other.
And then there was like a littlebit of time that they had.
And like, we heard about this somany times.
And I was just like, we care about listening.

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Like, yeah, too much. Totally, but she's able to fight
off the Ethian change because she really really believes her
like hurts desire and her heart is like filled filled with love
and stuff like that. They they lie down and then
they're like sleeping in in the bed together and she's like,
this is so nice. And I was like, oh.
It's so fucking cute and it's sosweet and she just wants it to

(59:13):
last a little bit longer. But Dawn is breaking and she's
like, fight the fight the urge, Gifford.
Like you can do it. Like she's like, I need to evoke
this same type of feeling. So she kisses him, but he's
unable to. And it's really sad.
They both kind of take it like she takes it kind of personally.
And then he's like ashamed. And he's like, oh, like she

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thinks that I don't care enough because he she says, like, my
biggest desire, what I wanted the most in that moment was to
stay with you. So then when he can't do it,
she's like, oh, he just must notlike feel the same.
Feel the same. Yeah.
It was so tough and I was like, how big is this tent because.
It's a horse. And then, OK, I did laugh

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though, because they're like try, try, try, and then he turns
into a horse and then it says that he just like turns, turns
and walks away. Oh my God, I'm.
So glad you reminded me of that 100% He just like because again
they're kind of like confused and like not like fully with it.
Every time they change, just he just walks off.

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It's so much. Like me.
Oh man, like, like there'd be like a show and it's like music.
And then it's just silence and it's just awkward.
It's like walks away. So the next day they head to the
castle, it's G Pet and Jane. Edward meets them there and
they're battling their way through the castle and G like

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stands up to his family. Part is the part that suddenly
goes really fast. So fast I was like are you Sarah
Jane Mass? Like where the last 100 pages is
like fucking crazy. But again, I was like, take out
the side quests, lengthen these scenes even and call it a day.

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But they finally reach Mary and there's this like pause and
jeez, like confesses his love toJane and he's finally able to
stay a boy and he feels sunshineon his face for the first time.
And together they're able to well, Bess, Edward G and Jane

(01:01:28):
are able to stand up to marry when we get this really nice
scene, which this like made so much sense in the book, But
Edward's like, I'm taking back the throne, but I'm actually not
going to be king. I'm going to abdicate to my
sister Bess because she is the one with the like strategic mind
and like the the politician thoughts and all of that stuff.

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And I was like, that actually makes so much sense because
Edward doesn't want to be king either.
He wants to be a regular guy hooking up with a Scottish girl.
And then this was so funny. It turns out Mary wasn't Effie
and herself and she was an ass. But it happened so fast that I

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was like, we don't even get to like, enjoy.
It's kind of like she's this, everyone's surprised they take
her away. It was so fast.
Yeah, they neutralize the threatand then they move on.
But yeah, Edward goes to find Gracie.
Archer had died in the battle against Mary.
So Gracie is now the leader of the pack.

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And he's like, I gave up the throne for you.
And they kiss finally, and he gets his first kiss, and he's
not dead. And it's very cute.
And then Jane and G have their second wedding, their real
wedding, and it's outside and it's in the daytime.
It was so sweet. I would say like season 2 had a

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second wedding. Stop stop yes, season 2 they
could have their real wedding and he admits to her that he
likes poetry and for his vows helike writes her a poem and they
consummate the marriage and theylive happily ever.
After and that's literally like the last sentence of the book,
yes. Like.

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Yes, literally as far as you go.But I have to say, like I was
like, OK, I'm getting towards the end of this and you can see
like how much percentage you have left in and when you're
listening to an audio book. And like from that second
wedding to the end, I was like, oh, I actually really enjoyed
this part, like right here. It was good.
Me too. I really liked, I thought that
it was a really strong ending. Again, I it's so funny how

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little things can just change your mind about a book, but I'm
like, if they really just slimmed down a few chapters and
I think age them up a little bit.
And yeah, I had a little bit more romance.
I was like, I would fucking eat this breakfast, lunch and.
Book notes that I had that I liked, that was that I loved

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near the end where Edward and Guilford were becoming friends
and they were like, they were like picking up on like common
things. And then they're like, oh, and
like they're getting along. I was like.
And they talked about their girls to each.
Other yeah, I was like, oh this is cute.
And then I liked he locked her up at one point because he

(01:04:23):
didn't want her. He was like going to lock her up
when she turned because he didn't want her to come with
them. And they're arguing before she
turns and he's like, she's like you said you wouldn't like make
me do anything. And he's like, and I won't
except for this time or he's like, you can't, I won't, but
like right now. And then she, he locks her up
and then later when they come back, she's a person.

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He turns into a horse and she's all pissed off at him because he
did that. And she's like, go to your room.
And he like, just walks away to the stable.
And then I also loved when they were like, having literally near
the end, they were fighting about like how much they care
about each other and like fighting about being together.
And then he's like, I only want to argue with you.
And she's like, well, I only want to argue with you.

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And then at one point he's like,how was your day?
What did you read today? And I was like, that's a dream.
No, it was very sweet. I loved them arguing, yes,
arguing about what they were going to argue about.
And yeah, you're right, I I liked Edward and Gifford's
friendship. We didn't really get to see that
too much in the show, which I think is kind of an upset.

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But yeah, they're very cute together.
And we saw some very cute seemo.No.
Riding the horse, no saddling the horse.
And then like at one point when she's a weasel or a ferret or
whatever, and she's gonna like go on his back while he's a
horse or something. And then she's, she's like,
well, that breaks the rules of like the horse rules.
And like, sometimes she'll make these little like he'll be

(01:05:48):
talking and she'll like throw onlittle like horse jokes.
And then I can, he's like, he pauses and then he's like, Nope.
Then he like kind of goes. But I think it's again, I can
picture the actor doing it. Like I can picture the pause and
like see them together. I'm curious to see if or hear if
Edward and Emily read the book, do you know?

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I have no idea, but like I feel like they probably did.
I know because I've been like I followed Edward on Instagram.
He got cast in a new thing. He got cast in, he got cast in
an Agathy Christie series. And when you swipe, he's reading
the book. So I feel like I feel like he's
there. He's probably reading the book

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if he if there's a book to read for this.
That's good insight. I would be shocked at anyone who
is doing an adaptation and doesn't read the source
material. Like that would be really
shocking to me. But I just really think the
characters brought or the actorsbrought the characters to life
really well. OK, let's get to a roundtable

(01:06:52):
discussion. This is our Internet
investigation, our cursory proves of the Internet of Things
you need to know. Literally, there is nothing on
this book. I am so shocked that a, this
book didn't get as much attention as I thought in 2016.

(01:07:14):
And that also on like Jodie's website and stuff like that and
Cynthia's website, there's like,like news about the adaptation
and stuff like that, but there is like nothing on the actual
book. I'm really, really surprised.
And I wonder if it's just because it was published, you
know, nearly ten years ago, eight years ago, I didn't get,

(01:07:35):
like, too much press. So again, I don't really know
the story. Actually, I do know the story
about how it got made into ATV show, but we'll talk about that
in a little bit. But yeah, I'm just surprised
that it didn't just get like anyother like notes for like
scholarly. Yeah, stuff.
I'd be interested to hear about that too because I was wondering
if there's really nothing out there like how Amazon picks this

(01:07:56):
up. Yes, I know that's like some
other romance novels like Float like or even the bad boy
quarterback in me or whatever, the Noah Beck movie.
When he was filming in. Victoria.
Yeah, in Vic. I like looked at Goodreads and
it's like 1000 reviews and I'm like how do you find this shit?

(01:08:19):
Well, one thing I can say, I wasgonna say this later, but like
if I was an author and I wrote this book and then they made it
into an Amazon show and I watched the Amazon show, I would
feel so bad because, because I would be like, Oh my God, the
things that they did are so muchbetter.
Like I, I would be like, like I,it's amazing to see it come to

(01:08:42):
life, but I'd be like, why didn't I think that?
Like totally so upset. 100% me too.
OK, I wonder why these are unanswered questions for the
listeners. I was kind of like, and I guess
maybe it's just like to sell books like the title and stuff
like that and the interest. But I'm like, why use great Jane

(01:09:02):
Grey's story when it doesn't follow anything real?
Yeah, I don't. I mean, yeah, cuz like she, I
don't know, maybe like you're really into history.
And then they're like, oh, we could instead of creating all of
our own, like characters like these kind of have like their
relationships set up and then wecan kind of play with them
because Guilford Dudley was likea her husband in real life, like

(01:09:27):
married to Gilford Dudley. So they're but like, how can we
like play around like, OK, it was arranged marriage.
Like, how can we make this this fun?
And then I think also like with the titles like My Lady Jane,
like there's a part in the book where Gifford says My Lady Jane.
And then like, I wonder, I didn't pay attention, but I
wonder if Edward has a comment in there where he says My Lady

(01:09:50):
so and. Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, and I think also just for people reading it, like
they probably thought too, like if we have Lady Jane's story and
then we change it around to like, like for the people
reading it, like it's gonna be way more interesting for her and
see her as this character than like if it was just like
Edward's story. And like they said, like she's
not really talked about it a lot.

(01:10:10):
Like she had this big, this big like role and it's like an
interesting story, but she's really not focused on it all so.
In history, no, that is really true.
And I guess actually now that I'm thinking about it, red,
white and royal blue did this too.
Like basically they used the royal family and like Queen
Elizabeth, Kate will like but changed it.

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It does give it nice structure and like you're right, you don't
have to like invent a sibling when you already know that
there's two of them or whatever.And kind of manipulate and be
like, how can we make this fun? Yes.
In the book everyone is a fucking atheian so at which like
kind of defeats the purpose of it being like atheian versus

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Verity, whereas in the show it'slike rare if you're an.
Atheian I was thinking about Ethean.
That's why, like, earlier I was saying it is weird because in
the end, yeah, like everyone does or everyone is or has that
ability or it's like drawn out by emotion.
I felt like the show, though, itwas very, very, like, it's rare
and you're in trouble if you are.

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Whereas the book was like, it's kind of common and there's lots,
but like, it wasn't really untilMary was in charge that it was
like a bad thing. And like it it was, but it was
not as like, like in the show, they make it like it's life or
death. Like if you are one and you are
found out, then like they're going to kill you.
Like there is the part in the Tavern where they like, line all

(01:11:39):
these people up and they're gonna kill all of them because
they say that they're atheists. So yeah, it it that was like one
of the differences where I was like the show really put the
like the stakes were much higher.
Yes. But yeah, that's a really good
point. And I guess like it is a
metaphor for Catholicism and being a Protestant.
So I. Didn't even think about that.

(01:12:00):
I saw that on your life and I was like, oh.
Yeah, I, like, didn't get it until I was like, Oh yeah, what
actually did happen with Edward and Jane and Mary and stuff like
that. And I was like, Oh, yeah, that's
when you would be persecuted forbeing a Protestant.
Like, this is starting to make alot more sense to me.

(01:12:20):
And then one of I wonder, why is, why didn't Petunia and
Edward get together? Like, I know Gracie, like,
pushed him to be a better version of himself, but like,
Petunia just kind of like, what?Like, what happened to her?
Who knows? OK, Our grapes and grumbles.
These are nitpicky problems we have with the book.
I hated that he went by G. I feel like probably.

(01:12:46):
It's so embarrassing. That's.
Probably why too. They decided in the show to go
by the actual name because it wouldn't really fit.
If they're like if she's like hey G or if she's like G and
then he's like, you've never said my name before.
It's like she really didn't say her name.
Yeah, yeah, That's so funny. There was like sometimes where

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both Jane and Edward and then Gracie and sorry, Jane and
Gifford and then Gracie and Edward were traveling in the
forest and they didn't turn intotheir Ethian form.
And I kept being like you guys. It would be way faster if you
just like transformed like fucking figuring.
Out. It was almost like we need them
to talk right now. So they're.

(01:13:27):
Yeah. But really, yeah, that'd be so
much faster. OK and then this actually like I
feel like is a plot hole in the entire book, but if Edward truly
didn't do anything as king, why didn't Lord Dudley just keep him
as the king? Because he was easily
manipulative or manipulative. Yeah, or like I was thinking to

(01:13:49):
it, I mean, it would make sense to poison him because then you
can get your son in there as king if.
But why would you go with Mary? Because then she cannot be
manipulated and you can't reallydo what you were doing before.
And your son's not king so. Yes, yes.

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It made no sense to me. And then we've talked about
this, but yeah, I thought it wasway too long.
You guys, it's 512 pages. But I didn't even realize 'cause
I'm doing the audio book. But yeah, I think it and when
you start it, I think it says it's like 14 hours or 13 hours
or something. So yeah.
Literally, it's so much. And like we said with that word

(01:14:31):
stuff we're like, we just get rid of.
So get rid of those chapters. It's so much Edward.
And like, God bless him, but like, don't care.
I don't care. OK, Our sequel scoop.
This is the T on any upcoming sequels, seasons and the general
reception. It was a nominee for best young

(01:14:53):
adult fantasy and Science fiction book for Goodreads.
And it's a trilogy. There is a Jane Eyre retelling
called My Plain Jane which is next, and then there's a Merry
series too. So the hijinks continue.
Will you be reading on? Again, like it wasn't horrible,

(01:15:18):
but the whole time I. There's no way I'm picking up
another book. The whole time I just kept
thinking about the differences and then how the show did things
better and things made more sense.
And I just, yeah, like I said, Iwas like, I sat down.
I told, I think I was telling Ben.
I was like, I feel like this is like a young adult book that I

(01:15:41):
probably, if I was picking it upas a book, I wouldn't have kept
going. I would have been like, I'm this
audio book definitely makes it alot more intriguing.
But honestly, like, yeah, the show.
And that's so weird because usually you watch a show and
then you like, or you read a book and then you watch a show
or a movie and you're like, oh, the book was better.

(01:16:01):
Or like, I mean, like, you know,certain things are kind of like,
oh, I like both of them for different reasons, but this was
like so different. 100% I would pause it like this is maybe a
hot take. I don't know.
I could totally see. I like a world where they should
have bought the rights to all ofthose books and then they could

(01:16:22):
have done each like Jane and each Mary as one season.
Yeah, but I want another season of that.
I know I I I do want another season.
I also think they could have done My Lady Jane into two
seasons because they basically only covered the first half of

(01:16:43):
the book in the show. So they could have, I think,
extended it to like 16 episodes and then moved on to Jane Eyre.
Like I think that that's fun where it's like a TV show, but
they get recast every once in a while.
Kind of like The Crown and Degrassi and stuff like that.
I know. I just had like they gave us 8

(01:17:03):
episodes that were so good and they did it where it was like
end of the first episode a surprise, end of the second
episode a surprise and things like make sense.
And then like everything's so good and I was like 8 episodes
isn't enough. I need more.
OK, let's get into it a little bit more.
As we said, it was on Amazon Prime and it was released June

(01:17:24):
27th, 2024. Emily Bader is Jane and Edward
Blumo is Guilford. Emily Bader.
I think he's like relatively unknown, but Edward was in Sex
Education, Persuasion and Killing Eve.
And then the other actors I weren't, I wasn't familiar with.

(01:17:46):
But Anna Chancellor, who plays Lady Francis Gray, Jane's mom,
is the villain in What a Girl Wants, the abandoned Amanda
Bynes movie. And I was like, I recognized
you. And I was like, I fucking love
you. And I'm so happy you're in this.
This show. So I was like staring at the one
guy in the show, Mary's guy, like Mary's kind of like

(01:18:13):
boyfriend. Oh, Seymour.
Lord Seymour. BDSM.
You're loving Seymour. Lord Seymour.
And I was just looking at him and I was like, I know him from
somewhere. He looks so familiar.
His name is Dominic Cooper. And I'm staring at him, staring
at him. I'm like, I don't know who he
is. He's Sky and Mamma Mia.
He is Amanda Seyfried's fiance, like them on the beat.

(01:18:38):
Yeah. I would like, I recognize his
face and yeah, it's it's him. And I thought I think he had
like a cheating on his wife scandal a few years ago that I
might have covered on ready to be Petty.
Maybe that's another Dominic, but I actually kind of think it
was. Him yeah, I I was looking at his
face like he looks so familiar and I had just because OK, so
this came out June 27th and I feel like we've watched it then

(01:18:59):
pretty that was like pretty quickly after.
I'm pretty sure I started it on June. 20th And I could watch
Mamma Mia at a Bachelorette party at the, I think it was in
June, like end of June. So that's why I was like fresh
in my mind. But yeah.
I I couldn't even tell but maybeit's because he has like a buzz

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cut in this. Yeah, but I was like, there's
something about his face. He was a lot.
He's much younger in Mamma Mia too, but he had this like
distinct thing where he just looked familiar.
And I think it's because like, if I hadn't just watched Mamma
Mia, I wouldn't have picked up on it, but I had just watched it
so. Yeah, that's a good, good catch.
And I don't believe the authors were very involved because.

(01:19:42):
Like it doesn't clearly like it.Clearly.
But there was, yeah, like we've talked about there, there was a
lot of differences. I really liked it.
They had the same type of narrator and I really liked the
costuming and I think a lot of the changes they made because I

(01:20:04):
know people get upset when thereis like vast changes, but I
thought they all plot wise made sense.
Yeah. And like we were saying kind of
like holding back information, like if we opened to a scene of
Edward dying and he's with Lord Dudley and Lord Dudley's telling

(01:20:24):
him to make Jane the queen and her his son is a horse.
I'm like, that's so much information.
Like you have to pace it out. And like, I'm going into this
with no information and I have no idea.
So you have to trick me to like,I need to, I need to be like, Oh
my like shocked so. Yeah, 100%.
They did such a good job of setting it up in the first

(01:20:45):
episode. We also get the major change
that Jane meets Guilford before the wedding at the Tavern and
they get that really cute flirty.
The Tavern doesn't even happen in the book and because then
like she doesn't know who he is and then they like throw you off
in the show because you think that she meets the other, she
meets Stan and she's like, this is who I'm marrying.

(01:21:09):
And then it's. Not, and Gilford is a little bit
more capable and like he's good with like swords and stuff.
Whereas like in the book he's like not as good as like
outdoorsy things and like swordsand stuff, which I think was
also a good change. And he's really desperate to

(01:21:30):
find the cure, which he doesn't use Jane for.
But like, I guess kind of when before he realizes that he likes
her, which is a big difference. It seemed like it wasn't just
him, like it seemed like it was him and his dad kind of being
like this could also work because she could help you.
Because like we'll talk about like they're close.

(01:21:52):
Like in the book, he like his dad like doesn't like him.
They're rude to him. He has no relationship with his
brother. But in the show, they're kind of
like a little unit because also his mom isn't alive.
So it's just the three of them. Yeah, which, by the way, that
was fucking weird. When he was like, I know you're
upset that you killed your mom. You'd like, I want to release

(01:22:13):
you from that guilt. You didn't kill your mom.
And then he's like, well, you did.
And I was like, like, I was like, could you have just had it
that he. Didn't kill his.
Mom like that's fucking. Crazy, but it kind of adds to
like how Lord Dudley is just like just still such a like a
weirdo and so it. Stands.
Like they're all, they're just weird.
But like at first you're like annoyed by them, but then by the

(01:22:37):
end you're like, this is hilarious.
Like I, I love. Them it's so funny.
He's really evil in the book, he's less so and he has this
redemption arc in the TV show and the same with Jane's mom.
Like she's way worse, I would say in the in the book, but she

(01:22:58):
she does have her moments in theTV.
Show, yeah, I feel like almost the TV show.
It's interesting because usuallya book adds more dimension to
people, but I felt like the showadded more dimension to people.
I was like literally all these extra characters.
I was like, oh, I like there's so much more to them and humor
and like funny. Like there it just seemed like
there was way, way more. They were real people.
OK, thank you. Because if you actually think

(01:23:20):
about the book, they are actually so one-dimensional.
It's like Edward was sick, Gifford hated being a horse,
Jane liked to read books, and that's like it.
Yeah, whereas and like the mom is just there in certain scenes,
like in the show, like Lord Dudley, the mom, like everyone's
way more involved in the story and they're so yeah.

(01:23:41):
And then like they do little things to like redeem themselves
or be funny or like show they care.
Whereas the book it's like it's like with his dad, like why is
his dad being so mean? Like why does dad hate him so
much? And then even with Stan, like in
Stan, he in the book, he has like no personality.
He has no part to anything. And then in the book or in the

(01:24:02):
TV show, he's probably one of the most like, strange, but
like, like has a personality outof everybody.
Yeah, the other like huge character change, like in terms
of their personality was the grand, like, what the fuck was
that? She was like an evil nun.

(01:24:23):
I kind of was confused at that part in the show.
I was like, I don't know what's happening.
It makes sense that she was a nun because I knew.
I think again this could be wrong, but I think when a lot of
women were exiled from society they became nuns.
But she was evil. She wanted Edward to basically

(01:24:44):
kill all the verities and only helped him to use him as a pawn,
whereas he she was instrumental in their win against Mary in the
book. I think in the book too, Mary
says that you can stay like you can like stand by Guilford's
side and then we'll kill you. Or you can denounce him and then

(01:25:05):
we'll send you and you can go bea nun for the rest of your life.
So. Yeah, like.
Threaten that true. So that makes sense.
But yeah, I was a little bit I was a little bit confused in the
show what was going on. But in the show, that's like
we're getting again, we like go back, but that's when you're
also introduced to like the guy,the love interest for Edward.

(01:25:25):
Fitz yeah, which I liked. Also, when Jane gets crowned
Queen, she like likes it a lot more than book Jane.
Like book Jane is like scared and she thinks all of the pomp
and circumstance is dumb and shedoesn't quite know what to do.
But in the TV show she like not,she doesn't go on a power trip,

(01:25:49):
but she's like, oh, like she likes it a lot more I guess is
what I'm trying to say. In the show, Mary is the evil 1.
Like, she is the bad guy and shedoes such a good job at at it.
And then instead of having Lord Dudley be the one that's
poisoning, like she's poisoning him, but she's going to like the
frame Lord Dudley, which I thought was much better because,

(01:26:11):
yeah, like the like we were saying that didn't really make
sense of why he would want to dothat.
But I think in the show, having Mary as like, and it makes more
sense because it's one of the siblings of him, of Edward.
And then you have one sibling who like, doesn't really care.
And then like one that was supposed to be next.
So of course she's going to be angry.
But she did such a good job of playing just crazy.

(01:26:33):
Like she was so like, just, yeah, she was so scary and just
like, obsessive. And she had her see more that
she just was like bossing aroundand just he'd do whatever for
her. It was so funny.
I loved obviously the BDSM scenewhere she was in like chainmail
and stuff like that, like in the.

(01:26:54):
Olden days, that's. What people that did BD, MB, DSM
would wear. And I loved the scene where
Seymour walks into their room and she's speaking Spanish.
Like it seems like she was like practicing like Duolingo or
something like that. Yeah, so.
Funny. And then it's funny too because
it's like clearly there's so much like gossip and stuff going

(01:27:16):
on with everything because of when I go for it at the end is
like sword fighting Seymour. He has that line where he's
like, I hear you enjoy pain. And then they started fighting.
So it's kind of like a little like people are.
All talking about it, it's so funny.
But Speaking of sisters, like Bess got like cut down to like
almost nothing in this show, which really sucked.

(01:27:39):
I really I wanted her to be on the throne because Edward
correct me if I'm wrong, but he didn't.
He doesn't abdicate at the end. Yeah, at the end, he's is he
back? Well, because the last thing we
see is they're going to kill herand.
Oh yeah, So we actually. Don't know.
That's why they said for that first season 2 and then we could

(01:28:01):
have had him being like, no, andhe's gonna go be with his the
like his guy. And then yeah, best could have
been put on the throne because she had like little important
parts. But really, she was cut out so
much. Totally.
Totally. Yeah.
He could go live with Fitz, because you're right that Fitz
kind of had the same like, attitude about the throne as

(01:28:22):
Gracie did. Like he didn't like that Edward
was king. So then it would make total
sense. But yeah, I guess they were
probably saving that for Season 2.
It was actually so sad in the last episode when the narrator
is closing out the season and they're like, like Mary's gone.
So like, but there's still a lotmore to do, like alluding to a

(01:28:45):
Season 2. And I was just like I.
Would have but yeah, and I mean,and then season 2, like
obviously he like they're together now and if she wants to
make things better and they'd belike who's on the throne?
They could make Vess on the throne.
And then obviously like he'd have a lot of issues back in
that time being with Fitz. So they could have like anyways.

(01:29:08):
And then also like game sisters aren't even in the book.
No, no, yeah. Catherine and Margaret, yeah,
they're, and there's they have huge plot points.
Like all of them have the mom this is and the two sisters have
so much storyline that could be continued in season 2.
Like Catherine gets married and then widowed and then hooks up

(01:29:33):
with Seymour's son. So yeah.
And then Margaret's like, kind of evil, but kind of good.
And I liked that addition, like when she was sitting on the
throne next to Mary and they were like wearing the matching
outfits and stuff. And then, like, she killed the
old man and I was like something.
Yeah. Like, And that's why I feel like
it just made everything seem more detailed and, like,

(01:29:54):
characters so much more. It like had more depth to them
because then it's like, we have this whole family that she's
close with, and each person has their personalities and things
going on, and they're so involved.
And then Guilford, his brother and his dad have these
personalities and they're all involved.
Like at the end when his dad andwhen Stan and his dad are like
working together to go help, it's hilarious.

(01:30:17):
I'm like that's what? And like we so we had those like
2 characters that are like weirdand like kind of useless but
they're like funny. Like it's like a kind of the
comedic like buddies. Yeah, yeah, like kind of buddy
cop movie. But also there was, yeah, the
comedic relief. There was just more storylines.

(01:30:39):
So we got more of what life is like at court and stuff like
that. And yeah, there just could have
been so much more. Like, truly, they could have,
again, taken a lot from the latter half of the book.
Like even the pack, we still don't know what's going on with
them. Like there's just so, so much.

(01:31:02):
In the second season, it might have also gone into a little bit
more about like, I mean, if there's a second season, like
how do we know that Jane wouldn't have turned in a second
season? Like everyone kind of like it
slowly is showing that like everyone is.
And also, if they had broken this into two seasons, because I
even think, again, they could have slowed down this season a

(01:31:24):
little bit more because I would have loved to see them actually
in France. Like, I didn't like reading
about it, but I would have lovedlike, because they dress up
really fun and stuff like that. And they dance and they go to a
ball. I was like, I actually would
have really liked that. But they like kind of obviously
zoomed past that. But you brought up a really good
point. And we should talk about that.

(01:31:44):
The biggest change in the entireshow is that Jane nor Edward are
fucking. Yeah, and again, it's like maybe
they were waiting to do that in a season 2 because in the show,
it's so scary and bad to be it. And like, they also wanted like,

(01:32:06):
'cause the whole time Jane is like very like, we need to
protect these people and we needto be like, you know, she's
standing up for them. So it's like almost giving her
more of like, she's a good person because she does it even
though she's not one. And there is like, yeah, so when
she's about to die and she's going to poison the guard, the
guards like being nice and like sits down with final, like have

(01:32:28):
final wine with her and she can't go through with it.
And it's just like showing that she's like a good person.
Like, she's like, I can't do this.
So I feel like, I just feel likesome of the things they probably
were going to do in Season 2. I completely agree but then it's
like if the change happens in the most like stressful time of

(01:32:50):
your life or whatever, wouldn't like her being like on the
chopping block wouldn't she? Would you have liked it better
if when she was on the chopping block, she turned into a ferret
and like Ran? Away No, I love I love the
scene. I'm like a vampire and when

(01:33:11):
yeah, when he's like surrounded by fire, like I love that so
much. I I did laugh out loud when she
like rides him off into the sunset, but I was like, it's
good. Also, when she goes, it's like
going back to the VA, but when she goes to try and meet him for
the first time in the book, likeshe's she finds out she's going
to get married and she wants to go see Gilford and she like gets

(01:33:33):
there and she's like looking at the field of horses.
Like I thought that would have been cool to do in the show too,
because it's like a little thingof like, he's actually there,
but you don't. Like, she doesn't know that.
Which is kind of, I guess the Tavern scene.
So I guess they kind of did that.
Yeah. Or like, yeah, I see what you're
saying. I I completely agree.

(01:33:53):
And like, we just, it's funny how I'm actually going to go.
I'm going to say something nice about the book for once.
But like, I, we have to give it props for, like, a lot of like,
tender moments between Gifford and Jane that we just straight
up were lost because it was morelike sexual and like lusty,

(01:34:14):
which, again, I'm not complaining about the TV show,
but like, I loved on their honeymoon when they were reading
together and like, eating applesand stuff together and like,
that type of stuff I thought waslike, very sweet.
And again, the poetry thing, like those types of things where
they connect on that level. Yeah.
I do think though, like again, like in the book when they're

(01:34:36):
sitting outside and like it is cute, like reading about it, I'm
like, oh, he turns into a horse and then he like lays down
beside her and she he wants her to read the book.
But if that wasn't the show, I would have burst out laughing.
Like if I see her and next to her and then I'm like, well,
they could have read at night, but then it wouldn't.
It's not like sitting on a on a hill side, like it would be the
indoors in the dark. But I guess like also the first

(01:34:57):
time they like I think it's the first time they kiss like
they've just like fought and she's he's impressed her and
she's impressed him and like youkind of get a little bit like
you can. They still do like with the time
that they have. They still show like being
impressed with each other and like they're at like a similar
level. And he does appreciate like her
smart and he brings the books for her in the show.

(01:35:19):
Like in the in the book, she packs all of her books to go on
the honeymoon. But in the show, he packs all
the books. And I also loved that he was the
one pulling or I don't know if he was pulling the cart to the
hunt. No, he was.
Just like attached to the hack. So I did.
I did like that so. Funny, it's so.
Funny, I did like that. But again, the horse stuff in

(01:35:41):
the show was like subtle, like the change, like, I mean,
obviously, obviously we prefer how she found out about him
being a horse. In the show, she comes into the
barn and he's taking a shower and then he's like, you need to
leave, like you need to go because it's about to happen or
whatever. Obviously, we prefer that to
like, what the book did, but we didn't really see him change

(01:36:05):
that much. It was only an important moment.
Like we didn't see him every single time.
Like he would just come into theroom when you knew that it was
the end of the day and he's justcoming and seeing her for the
first time. But when we see, yeah, it's like
the first time she ever sees it happen.
Or like at the end when he's inside the, like, the castle,
like in that moment, like, it's not always showing it.

(01:36:27):
There's not. I thought a few times it was
funny in the book when there waslike some hay in his hair.
I thought that they. Yeah, I thought they could have
done that or she could have likewhat?
Something, you know, but agreed.But I was, I was happy now
watching the show and then reading the book.
I'm so happy they left out all this stuff because Ben was
making fun of me being like, it's like, like, oh, you're a
horse girl now. I'm like, I'm so glad you didn't

(01:36:49):
read this book because. Yeah, because you would have
been calling me. A horse girl. 100% yeah.
And there's a fine line, like I said earlier, it's like there's
a fine line between like it being funny and like not that
weird to like really fucking weird.

(01:37:09):
And the book kind of straddles that where it's like the show is
much clearer that it's not as fucking weird that like he is an
animal for half. The day.
Also in the show, they have the whole scene where Mary like puts
a head, like a horse's decapitated head in the barn and
then just like freaking out because she thinks it's him.

(01:37:31):
And but yeah, there's not reallylike a ton of, I feel like they
could have taken, they could have put some more horse jokes
in there. I feel like Edward the actor
does more host horse jokes on his story about the show than
like the show did. But no, it just, it was really
focused. Like she was clearly the main
character. Everyone else was like side
characters. Edward, his character and his

(01:37:52):
story would come in when it was important, but I feel like even
in the show, sometimes when it would switch to him, I was like,
go back. I know, I know, I know and I'm
sorry. Like I, I say that for
everything Bridgerton, like any ensemble cast where it's like
clearly there's like the one couple and then all the side

(01:38:13):
characters. I'm always like go back to the
the main couple. Literally there was one part
where he was like trying to he was she.
So when she in the book, she goes to Edward and she's like, I
can't remember exactly. Like she's trying to get it out
what he is, but she can't like say it.
And she keeps saying like whore,he's something like and then she

(01:38:34):
thinks like, I don't he kind of said that.
Like she like thought like she was gonna say he was a whore or
something. And I was like, it was so that
it was like, funny how they did that.
And the show just did a lot better of like, keeping his
secret. Like I at the end of the first
episode, you realize she's goingto marry him.
And the show had set up this whole thing where they've met at

(01:38:55):
the bar and they've been attracted to each other.
And then they have like, like the little flirty banter.
And it's like, really good. And then she suddenly realizes
he's the one who's going to marry, and you've been tricked
because you've seen the other one.
And then at the end of the second episode, you find out
he's a horse. So it just like, yeah, it just
worked out. I just feel like so much better.
It kept me like at the end of each episode of a show, I want

(01:39:16):
to be excited to go to the next one.
Don't give me all the information at once. 100% it was
like meant for binge watching because it's so easy to Click to
the next episode when everythingends on a cliffhanger.
On this topic, the last thing I'll say is like the ending of
the last episode, it's not necessarily a cliffhanger, but

(01:39:36):
it still leaves a lot open, which again sets it up perfectly
for season 2. And it's just really smart for
like bingeable TV on a streamingservice, like I think the
director was. Smart.
They don't even explicitly say to like they just show them and
you can see the sun behind them and he's in the sunshine.

(01:39:56):
But like it takes you a second to be like, oh, this is the
first time I've ever seen this. And like they've just said, I
love you to each other and then you've seen this happen.
But they don't explicitly like say it or have a conversation or
anything about why. He was able to do that and why
he's outside the whole time I'm watching the show.
I just don't understand how theyweren't actually in love.
Like I was watching it. I was like the longing looks

(01:40:21):
that they do. And also I'm like looking at all
of them at the premiere and like, Edward brought his
girlfriend and I'm like, if I was in that theater, if I was
Mary in that theater watching this, I'd be like, they are
actually in love. Mary Beth Barone, if people
don't know she's a comedian. I listen to her podcast with
Benito Skinner. It's really funny.

(01:40:42):
It's called Ride. They said the funniest.
I crashed my car. Like I like.
This is a side tangent, but liketwo or three years ago I was in
a parking lot. I didn't crash my car.
That's obviously. Dramatic, but like I backed into
someone because I was listening to Ride as predecessor

(01:41:04):
predecessor, which was called obsessed and Benito and Mary
were talking about how if they were in The Hunger Games, they
would be a part of the capital. But you know how like usually
when people talk about The Hunger Games, it's like you
don't say that you're like the bad guys.
You just say like you would be apart of the resistance or
whatever, but they're like, no, we're hot.

(01:41:24):
Like we would obviously be a part of the capital.
And I was like laughing so hard that I was reversing and I just,
like, hit someone. And it was like, not like
neither of our cars got even dinged, but it was just so.
Funny, how do I explain this? Like how do I explain why this
happened? No, literally I, I wanna message

(01:41:44):
them and just be like, I crashedmy car to your podcast.
But they are so funny and she istruly the bravest soldier.
Because it's funny. I like, 'cause I rewatched it
and you, you did too. I think you rewatched it twice
3. Times, yeah.
Once. No.
Oh my God, have I watched it four times?

(01:42:06):
I watched it once alone, once with my cousin, once with
Mackenzie, or like half of my friend Mackenzie, like half the
season. And then Ben and I watched the
full season. So I watched it like 3 1/2
times. It's so funny on the rewatch
looking at the very micro like moments between Emily and

(01:42:28):
Edward, like when they're not kissing but it's like before a
kiss or after a kiss or like between like dialogue or
something like that. I, I'm trying to even think of
like a comparator to them and their chemistry, but it's like
really hard. It is really fucking good.
Maybe Jonathan Bailey and SimoneAshley from Bridgerton season 2

(01:42:52):
but like man it is fucking insane.
I say this to everyone like before they go to watch it.
I'm like that man kissing. I'm like.
Insane. And like, and also then like,
'cause I'm focused on him, but then when I've like rewatched
and like she's just as into it. This guy is just like they're

(01:43:14):
kissing and all of a sudden he'sjust like licking her face, like
licking her mouth and and then when they're like about to do
stuff and then like she's like touching his mouth and he's like
he like, but there's just littlethings.
I'm like, you guys were so in the moment I saw this photo he
had posted and he it was like them sitting in front of a
monitor. And it's like when you've just

(01:43:35):
filmed a sex scene and you're rewatching to see how everything
looks and I'm like, it's so awkward.
But like, it was, I literally, Isaid to people, I was like,
you're going to feel like you'reinterrupting a little bit.
I I felt like I was interruptingsomething.
I'm also like not like huge intolike on screen kisses that like,

(01:43:57):
because basically like most of their interaction is just
kissing, like they have sex, butlike briefly like where is like
in Bridgerton and stuff. There's like a lot of other
things that they're doing outside of kissing, But I was
like, no, I'm obsessed and like this is like enough for me.
And this is like, I literally was like covering my face
because I was like embarrassed. It wasn't it didn't feel like a

(01:44:20):
staged like this is like you literally feel like the actors.
This is just them. And like even the way that
they're like smiling at each other like in those in between
moments and laughing and like all sorts of stuff.
I was like made me sad. Can you just like leave a camera
in the room and you 2 like I'm so confused.
How do you like act normally together after that?

(01:44:42):
No so anyways. I've, I've said this for fucking
years. If I acted and I was in a movie
like this, I would be asking theguy, what are we like?
Maybe it's because like, I mean,she did such a good job, like
she's American and I her accent,like she did such a good job and
I didn't hear it slipping. It was so good.
And then I think he is just likehis character because like, I

(01:45:05):
mean, to date a comedian, you have to be funny.
But even like all the stuff he posts, his interviews,
everything like he's hilarious. And so I, I think it just like
he was very similar to the character too, but clearly they
just had really good chemistry. But there's some people, there's
some actors though that it's like every single person.
They're just. They have good chem with Yeah.

(01:45:27):
I'm so excited to see her with Tom Blythe because people don't
know this but you and I fucking love Tom.
Blythe, which is so funny because like I only know him
because of president, because heplayed President Snow and that's
not the type of character that you should be like, Oh my gosh,
I love I don't love the character, but.
I was like toxic. I was like, I'm fucking obsessed

(01:45:49):
with him. I would do anything with him.
I wouldn't have left like Lucy Gray or whatever the fuck.
I would have stayed. Grand we saw the like buzz cut
and we were like. Sold.
He like got his buzz cut and like beefed up and then we were
like, but also if you've read that book, you like him way less

(01:46:11):
so. Yes, yes, but.
No, but I think he gives off like.
I know this is completely separate, but he gives off like
that like nice, approachable, like but really handsome, but
like friend vibes, like when he's him, not not as president.
So when he's him. And I can't wait to see the two
of them together, like interacting in that.
And like that book is so good too.

(01:46:32):
And I think that I really hope that Edward's career goes really
well. Like I hope that he gets to
break out of like the timepieceshe had.
There was this interview where they were like, is it difficult
to like break out of character after a show?
And he was like, he's like, no, he's like, not really.
He's like, but if you've seen all the things I've been in,
they're all kind of the same. Like he kind of jokes.

(01:46:54):
I hope that he can kind of do that.
But I think Emily for sure is going to like blow up.
Like there's been like videos toof her acting and this like and
just like little things she's doing with her face and little
moments him too. But I just, yeah, I definitely
think this people we meet on vacation is going, people we
meet on vacation is going to be like huge for her. 100% she is

(01:47:16):
going to be like AI don't know like a Hailee Steinfeld or like
a Joey King or like a Saoirse Ronan.
Like I know maybe those are bad.Comparison is my favorite, I
love her. Yeah.
She's like a real, real actress,but also like, she's so Emily's

(01:47:38):
like an social, but Emily's so beautiful.
Like Edward commented and was like, you're like a face card
for a generation or something like that.
And I was also like Mary. That makes me.
I know. Literally makes me ill.
I know I cannot imagine in that premiere, sitting in that like

(01:47:59):
watching it all together. It's like, could you imagine if
it was like, marry him? The way I would be so insecure,
like I'd be like signing up for like medical procedures like.
So funny, they kind of look similar, like they kind of,
yeah. But anyways, yes, so the
chemistry and that's what initially, like I said, the Tik

(01:48:23):
Toks, it was the banter and they're back and forth and like,
obviously you can write banter and be like, this is really
good, but like the right actors have to be doing it and have
that timing. And they did.
And I saw the Tik Toks and I waslike, OK, I think I need to see
what this is all about. Totally.
It's like, no wonder I liked this because one of my favorite
movies, like I would say like top five or maybe top 10 is A

(01:48:46):
Knight's Tale. And it's very much that vibe
with like the modern music and the modern language, but set in
the 1500s or whatever. And then I also, if people want
more like My Lady Jane, like if they need a fix because we're
not getting Season 2 Rosalina, the movie with Caitlin Diver or

(01:49:08):
something like that. She was in book smart.
It's really cute. Oh, yes, yes, yes.
Oh, it's it's Rosalina. Sorry, not Rosalina, but it is.
It's Romeo and Juliet retelling,but it's Romeo's ex Rosaline or
Rosaline, I can't even remember,but it's Caitlin Deaver.

(01:49:29):
I'm sorry I'm pronouncing so many things wrong, but it's
Caitlin Deaver from Book Smart. And it's the same where it has
like the modern music and modernlanguage, but like the costume
mean etcetera is from the olden days and it's it's really cute.
OK, let's wrap up with our Internet investigation.

(01:49:50):
Jody, one of the authors, said the book received movie
attention in 2016, but it never worked out.
And the screenwriter Gemma Burgess, was riding the subway
when she saw a woman sitting across from her reading a book
that made her laugh so hard she missed her stop.
So she said that she went up to the woman and asked her what she

(01:50:12):
was reading. And she was like, I have to know
what book that is. And it was My Lady Jane.
And she wanted to make it into ATV series.
Which is wild too, because the book came out in 2016, so that
was like really quickly when they're like movie attention
when it came out, whereas we don't hear anything and then in
2024 it comes out. Yeah, I really hope again it

(01:50:34):
gets picked up by either Amazon again because of the petition
which we'll talk about and yeah,the the online like backlash
against Prime, but it could alsoI'd be so happy if it got picked
up by another network and I could see that because I think

(01:50:54):
it's primed its audience. I think it's only getting more
popular. But I what happens is if there's
a gap, the actors get other jobsand sometimes just like their
schedules don't line up and theyaren't able to.
Do it. And did they say that there has
to be like in order to get renewed for a season 2, there
has to be like a certain viewership in order?

(01:51:15):
There has to be a certain number, which is again, spoiler
alert, why it got cancelled is there wasn't enough viewers.
But it's just so funny. Also like it really just shows
you when you are on the Internet, you are in your little
corner because I was like, I waslike, what do you mean there's
not enough viewers? It's my entire timeline.
All my friends are talking aboutit and like, it's every news

(01:51:38):
article I see. Like what do you mean it's like
entire? Life, but I had.
No, seriously. I was posting about it on my
story and people were like, oh, I think I should watch this.
And I'm like, how have you not heard about it?
Like go right now? Wanna say if you had been on top
of this the show wouldn't have been cancelled.
No, I'm literally like mad at those people to be honest.

(01:52:00):
Well, and then I'm like, OK, like this was I loved Maxton
Hall and I love copemia, but I'mlike this for me is like so much
more. But that had that got like,
obviously like Spanish viewers and German viewers.
And then like it got really popular with English watchers
too. So it has like a huge audience.

(01:52:23):
So yeah. And then one day, obviously it's
like one story. So you don't need to keep going.
But I was like, I was convinced.Like I watched it and I was
like, it's so good. And the reason why there isn't a
Season 2 announcement yet is because we watched it literally
right when it came out. So we're just, we just have to
wait a little bit, like it'll happen.

(01:52:43):
And then I thought it was a jokewhen they said that it wasn't.
No me too cuz I was like how could you cancel something that
has been so successful but I guess it just didn't meet the
cut. I wonder if it was on a
different streaming platform like Netflix if it would have
done. But if it was on Netflix it 100%
would have because it's just more accessible.
Like I find Amazon finding things is a lot more difficult

(01:53:07):
or finding something interestingto watch and they're like the
menus are all weird. So I had to like see it
somewhere else and then go search it up.
Whereas net it would have been on new on Netflix and then
everyone would have been watching it and then it would
have blown up to like the most popular right now.
They would have 100% gotten the new show.
But it sucks because sometimes Amazon is doing better, like

(01:53:28):
they did like with this, Like they did such a good job with
this, but they just didn't advertise it and like push it
enough. I don't think they advertised it
near as much like as they shouldhave like 1. 100 and the actors
weren't well known so then people don't really know about
it too. But even on like the TikTok
account for My Lady Jane, the advertisements for it are so

(01:53:50):
funny because they're using thatnarrator and that would have
stood out so much like they could have done.
They should have put a ton of like TikTok dollars into this.
OK, here's another thing that they should have done.
Why the fuck did it premiere in the heat or the height of
summer? If this came out like December

(01:54:13):
1st, everyone would have been watching.
It or like fall whenever it starts to like, you know, get
cozy and watch these shows. But yeah, it's just very sad.
It was. So, so sad.
OK, so I wonder why is OK this was a big question and I think
we already answered it kind of. But like, do you think Jane and
Edward become Ethan in the sequel?

(01:54:35):
I feel like they do. I feel like the second season
would have probably like they'reprobably holding on to some
things like we said to put in the second season.
And I think the second season wewould have seen like a ton more
of like Jane and Gilford's like relationship together like we
wanted. And then also I think they both
would have. And then it would have started
to kind of explore the idea of like everybody is.

(01:54:59):
And then that's kind of like, yeah, they probably would have
just gone into that. And so like the divide wouldn't
be there is more. And again, like the pack gone
way more into that, like maybe some of the like it would have
been like focusing on them and then some of the side where it
kind of goes off to a different character, maybe someone in the
pack or something like that. Like it would have or maybe one

(01:55:19):
of her sisters, like it would have kind of explored something
else. But I definitely, I think that
they definitely would would havebecome because everyone was
becoming something else. I know, I know, I know.
That was ridiculous. Our grapes and grumbles.
Oh, I wish she had red hair. The whole thing about Lady Jane

(01:55:40):
Grey is that she has fire enginered hair and she like kind of
has Auburn hair. In the show especially, you can
kind of tell in some scenes, like when she's wearing.
Green, but also with her hair, it was so beautiful.
It's so beautiful. I know like I don't want them to
like ruin it. And maybe it's like they found

(01:56:01):
the ACT. She would have looked bad with
red hair. So like, I totally get why they
didn't do it, but at the same time, that's so like important,
not important to the story, but just like, you know, through
history and stuff like that, youjust always know her as the girl
with red hair. But that's OK.
OK. One of the things I didn't like

(01:56:23):
about the show that seemed weirdis like Queen Mary goes on like
kind of a crazed journey to killJane but her original mission
was to kill atheans or Etheans. I guess it's like.
I She got sidetracked. Yeah, it's like this person is
standing in my way. Like this person was chosen

(01:56:45):
about like instead of me, this person was chosen.
So I need to get rid of them because because in their in the
show, they're also talking aboutlike the reasons more reasons
why I marry and best like aren'tlegitimate.
Like they're saying like Jane isactually like the most
legitimate like person next and then like can produce an air.

(01:57:05):
And so it just I think I think she's just power hungry and
she's like going crazy, but thenshe's just like this person's
standing on my way. This person could like take my
job back and I just want to killher cuz that's what I can do cuz
I'm queen so. She's fucking crazy.
I think it was funny that Jane'splan at the end was like to kiss

(01:57:26):
her with like poison or whatever.
I was like that is so random. But I guess desperate times
cause for desperate measures. They're cousins too, so.
Yeah, it's perfect. Perfect for Jane.
That's so. Funny, I was thinking too, the
little girl like the the I love at the wedding, going back to
the wedding when she like fakes dying and then she's lying on

(01:57:48):
the floor with him and he's justlike he knows like that's like
kind of the right way where it'slike he is just like a lot like
he's kind of like like it's almost like they're both kind of
like he's seeing that she's a little sneaky and she's kind of
plotting and then he's like, I totally see right through this
and they kind of have this little connection.

(01:58:08):
But like she picks that up idea up because her little sister has
that stuff and pretends to get stabbed like when her the two
sisters are fighting. So it's like you can kind of see
like where things are connected.But I love that shot when
they're looking up at him and he's just like, whatever.
And like the episode ends. It's so good.
That could be my favorite like beat in the whole show.

(01:58:32):
I think it was so fun. That or when he says that he can
show her if she wants him to. And I was like.
Obsessed like Oh my I know I'm fucking obsessed.
I I don't think they spent enough time together in like the
last like 3 episodes. Like, that's why I was like, if
you extended this same story over two seasons or we got 10

(01:58:57):
episodes or whatever. And I guess, I guess they were
planning for Season 2 where theywould spend a lot more time
together. And then that never worked out.
But yeah, I just wish they wouldhave spent more time together
but they were jailed or Ford waslooking for the cure somewhere
and whatever. Kind of, yeah.
At that point I was like stomping apart.

(01:59:17):
And this is like a little side quest again that I'm like, stop,
no more side quests. Like please, that's where we
kind of get like him and his dadand brother though together,
which is like kind of fun. Yes, yes, still.
I mean, and then I guess when hegets back then it like really
sets the tension for that. Like when they reunite then
because that scene is also wild.But like yeah, it just kind of I

(01:59:42):
still I'm like, I don't if you guys are apart, I don't care.
I just want to watch when you guys are together so.
I also think if we got more of the tender moments or like
helping the villagers or whatever.
At the beginning I thought it seemed a little sudden when Jane
wants to call off the divorce like 5 days into their marriage

(02:00:04):
or whatever. I just wish we got a little bit
more of their like discovering that they have feelings for each
other. Like I think it could have been
drawn out like I don't I like slow burns.
It not too too slow but I was like.
And I like enemies to lovers butnot like where your enemies for
90%. So that timing was good, but

(02:00:27):
like I could have used like a teensy.
Bit more just like doing those fun things together, like you
said. Also because she keeps in the
show, she brings up a divorce somany times.
Like they're literally making out.
And then like you think it's going to go further?
He thinks it's going to go further.
And then she's like, I want a divorce.
And then it's just like over, like she brings it up so many
times and it's like, that's again the deal.

(02:00:49):
It's like, you get me this cure,you can have your divorce.
Like it's very much like part ofthe deal.
So yeah, when then when she's like, I don't want one.
We just needed to see a little bit more.
But I mean, when she said it, I was like, agreed, you don't want
one. Totally 100%.

(02:01:09):
And he's, like, trying to see ifshe's OK.
Like, she runs in and all she wants is like, she's like, shut
up and kiss me. But before that, he literally
is, like, looking to make sure she's OK and, like, check on
her. And he looks so concerned.
It's very. And then they're, like,
bantering even when, like, things are about to happen.
He's like, are you gonna keep your shoes on the whole time?
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're like, and he's like,

(02:01:32):
are you gonna talk the whole time?
But they're like, but they're joking.
Like even if he said that before, you might expect that
she would be like annoyed, but she's laughing like it's they're
like comfortable. So it's cute.
Totally. It's very cute.
OK, Our sequel scoop. It got 94% on Rotten Tomatoes

(02:01:53):
but was cancelled in August due to low viewership.
But so many people have been weighing in including George RR
Martin, so maybe it will get picked up.
I will include the Change.org campaign in the episode show
notes so if people want to sign that and support like a possible

(02:02:14):
season 2 that would be great. And also when I see it cancelled
in August. You didn't give enough time.
It was literally the end of did it say end of June It came out.
Yeah, June, I think 27th. And so yeah, you gave, Yeah.
And it got cancelled I think thelast week of August.
So it's like, you gave it two months, but two months where no

(02:02:35):
one's watching TV, at least in the Northern Hemisphere, like
we're all out and about because it's fucking finely sunny.
And I don't think, I guess maybefor streamers people just are
like, yeah, two months is a longtime, so I don't know, but.
I but again, like who knows now that everyone's talking and who
loves it, it is like getting their friends to watch it and

(02:02:55):
talking about it and being like why is this cancelled and it's
blowing up? Then maybe something happens.
But yeah, I didn't even think about that with being Summer
too. Yeah, advertising it before it
came out. Like Netflix doesn't have to do
that because the way that they put stuff on there, people
notice it right away. But.
Yeah, not prime like no one's like just cruising prime to

(02:03:18):
find. ATV show Prime is like
recommendations for people telling you to look something.
And then going to it and choosing that one thing and then
exiting the app. Like truly.
I mean, let's wrap up with the listener question cat asked.
Is Jane bossy slash annoying think Hermione vibes or actually
badass? I couldn't decide.
She is definitely this trope that is like progressive

(02:03:41):
feminist girly in the olden daysand stuff like that.
It's kind of like she has a little bit of righteousness to
her, like Buffy and like stuff like that about the Etheans.
But I think she was just the right amount.
I think. Yeah.
I and Hermione like is more knowit all than I think Jane and

(02:04:04):
Jane had the and I guess Hermione too, but like Jane had
the chops to back it up like when her and Edward were talking
about sword fighting and then he's like like I can teach you
something and she's like, no, I can teach you something and like
she actually. Does her and Guilford you said
her and Edward. Guilford Oh my God, it's fucking
kill. The Gifford, the G The Gifford,

(02:04:27):
the Edward is fucking killing, Imean, but yes, yes.
No, I really liked her and I think in the book it even shows
more of like just her personality, but like he loves
it, like she's like, no, I'm doing this.
No, you can't control me, but itdidn't seem I think maybe with
the time to it fits more like ifit was like today and she's like

(02:04:48):
you can't control me and I'm butlike I like it would seem more
cliche, but then back then it was I don't know.
I think she just. Revolution.
She just did a good job. And she was always reading the
books and he was like asking herlots of questions and he was
involved and he needed her for that information and, like,
smartness, too. And then like in the in the
show, they didn't say that she had a bunch of engagements

(02:05:10):
before, but in the book she had been engaged before.
So I think that felt more like this is the first time this has
happened. And she's like, this is
absolutely not happening. And she tries to like, run away.
But yeah, I don't know. I just thought I liked her and I
thought that she was good. And like I said, that there's
like little moments again, whereshe has that information, like

(02:05:31):
she knows how to poison someone with something.
But then when it comes down to she's like, I can't, I can't do
it. Do it.
Yeah, she's not like stuck up, no fun.
Like she's still like she can laugh and joke and like has
awkward moments like when she tries to use the pick up line on
him and everything. And so like, I think it would

(02:05:53):
have been more of like the tropeor like more annoying if like he
was funny and sarcastic and kindof like that and she just had
like zero sense of humor. And she was like, really like,
you know, like, no jokes and no fun, but.
No fun. No.
Yeah. Like she was a little like
righteous about like drinking and like going out and stuff
like that. But I totally agree.

(02:06:13):
I think she could give it back to him, which made it more
endearing than annoying. Which is why I wish that in the
show she did throw some horse jokes, because I think that
would have been hilarious to seebetween them.
Absolutely. Yeah, me too.
OK, Mariah, this was so much fun.
My Lady Jane in the books, can you tell the listeners where

(02:06:36):
they can find you And anything else you want to plug?
I guess I'm just Mariah Birchallon Instagram.
I just want to plug the Change.org campaign, but I
definitely think like it's goingto be my fall comfort watch
again. Like, I mean, I've watched it so
many times, but like, I don't know what it was about it.

(02:06:56):
And I think that my husband's just gonna come home and be
like, you're watching this again.
And I'd be like, I just, I love it.
I don't know. It has high rewatch ability,
that's for sure. Just there's so many different
storylines, there's so much action, there's so much going
on. There's beautiful costumes,
really fun music, but it doesn'tdwell too much.
It keeps it moving. So I totally agree that it's a

(02:07:20):
very easy rewatch and I'm sure I'll rewatch it again for the
third. And if you haven't watched it,
go do it now and then tell all your friends about it, because
we wanted to. I kind of want to prove Amazon
Prime wrong and have it just absolutely blow up in viewership
and then them being actually, wedon't know what we're doing.

(02:07:42):
And we're gonna hire you guys tocome help.
No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, exactly. Again, if I was if I was the
authors of this I would be like I can't even watch it cuz they
did so much better tonight. No I know I'm and I'm just so
curious. It doesn't seem like like it's
on all of their websites and maybe it's just cuz I don't

(02:08:02):
follow them on socials, but they're not as in it like Diana
Gabel on or whatever from Outlander or like Hunger Games
or JK Rowling or like any of those authors with adaptations
that like are. Stephanie.
Meyer or Stephanie Meyer, Exactly.
Like it doesn't seem like they're like that at all, which

(02:08:25):
sometimes is good because sometimes I feel like the
authors can hold the TV writers back.
But also it just, if it was my work, I could just never do
that. OK, Thanks so much for coming
on. Thanks and that's the story of
my Lady Jane. Thank you so much for listening
and thank you to Mariah for joining me on today's show.
I wanted to let you folks know that there is a change in the

(02:08:47):
next episode. I'm going to be covering Fall
into You by Caroline Frank instead of Done and dusted by
Lila Sage. We did a little pull over on my
Instagram at Ready to be romanced.
Make sure you're following me there for more, you know, like
up to date daily updates about the podcast versus, you know,
the two week episode. But I still want to cover done

(02:09:10):
and dusted later this fall. But my guest, Robin, who is the
wife of Mason, who has been on this podcast covering 4th wing
with me, wanted to do something with the season change.
And I was like, that's super fun.
I feel like we could totally do something, you know, with
pumpkin spice and cozy looks andwarm drinks.

(02:09:33):
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