Onyx Storm by Rebecca Yarros

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Welcome to Ready to Be Romance. I'm Tori.
And I'm Mason. And today we're discussing.
Onyx Storm. It feels like we were just here
but like. Like we never left it's.
Like we never left the the country of Navarre that Mason

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and I just had to do a quick little geography lesson because
as I've said many times before, I am a dummy like.
Yes. And we're not allowed to call it
the continent. There's all these rules that we
have to know now. It's a whole thing.
The geography is very important,although I would say at times
doesn't make sense. They move around too quickly.

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They're like, oh, this is such along flight.
And then it's like all of a sudden they're just always
places. So many places.
So many places. I cannot wait to talk about
this. I feel like it's like the most
anticipated book of 2025, I would say.
But also if people are new here,this is like a vibes only
podcast. We're going to do our best to
get through like the theories and the plot points and the

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reveals and stuff like that, buttruly vibes only.
Vibes only. Absolutely here for a good time,
not for the smart time. So I feel like we should get
into it because let's share thoughts on top and then we can
get into recapping the book. And I want to give people a
spoiler warning now we're going to be discussing the entire

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Empyrean series. There's going to be discussion
of violence, death and war. So beware.
The book is written by Rebecca Yaros.
It was published January 21st of2025.
I it's so funny. I do you really like this
series? 4th wing I think is a straight

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up like I would say almost like 5 out of $5.00 Iron flame.
I think we probably rated it like a 3.54.
Yeah, it's it's like 3.5. I didn't like that one as much,
but I don't know not to bury thelead.
I like this one more. I like myself enjoying it at the
second-half. Like I think that I like

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struggled to get through the first half and was like, I don't
really care about this. And then I think that it started
to like shift and change like what it was.
And it kind of makes me think like, I want this to be the
direction that it goes to in thefuture.
I want to get up out of the War College.

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Like I don't care. I don't care about like the
school aspect of it anymore at all.
Like it doesn't seem important. Yes, it really doesn't seem
important. So when they were like back in
physics class, I actually wantedto kill myself.
Like it seemed so pointless whenthey were already like warriors
and or like. Cadets.

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Like on the war lines. Like why?
It's just like they're like, Oh yeah, I don't know, Dane's dad
is like the principal of the school and now we can't date
anymore. I'm like, what the fuck are you
talking about? Makes no sense to me.
Like who cares? Who cares?
They're. Like we live and die by the
codex. I was like still.

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And then you don't and you don't.
You like commit treason, but then it doesn't matter.
Like all of it is nonsense. I was like, remember when this
guy that the kind of iron flame was like completely decimated.
At least that's what I know. Who cares what the codex at this
point? You're living amongst Flyers and
stuff like that. Like, I think it's like
Americans with the Constitution,like, time to adapt, babe.

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Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What was the Second Amendment of
Navarre being? Yeah.
What would the Second Amendment of Navarre being?
The right to dragon claws. So Buggy Betty and we were
talking before we started recording.
Was that the first half of the bug led to nothing?

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Nothing nothing. I think the only interesting
bits and pieces were like a bit of lore dump from inner like
when they interrogated Jack. The bit of like Benin lore dump,
I think was like, but I, yeah, it was like, I'm glad to like
have more information 'cause I feel like, I feel like Rebecca

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Yaris is withholding. She very much is, is like
withholding information. And it's almost to the point
that it's not enough information.
Like I don't wanna know everything but the very slow
trickle. It's like, I think I learned
like maybe half a thing in 600 pages of this book or whatever
it is. Exactly.

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And I think that, again, you're right, I don't want to know
everything. Obviously there needs to be some
type of like mystery or unanswered questions to continue
the series. But we are now over halfway.
And I do feel like, yeah, it's like maybe too little
information in too much plot. And I almost wish she just

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balanced 4th Wing and Iron Flameout with a little bit more of
the lore dump because I felt like this book, yeah, the the
Venin was like too little of Lord dump.
But then like the gods in the territories and stuff like that
and the history of the country and stuff like that.
It was like I think could have been spread out because it did.

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It did seem Lord Dumpy. I just think it could have been
spread out. I was like, they were fucking in
classes for a million years in fourth Wing and we couldn't have
talked about like anything otherthan like poor meal or whatever.
Yeah, I really think that like there could've been more like
they do the battle briefs and stuff where it's like all this

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like battles and stuff that are going on, and that would've been
a perfect opportunity be like, well, clearly they fought the
island states at one point. Like there was times when that
was happening. And I think the excuses that
like, no, they were withholding information which like.
But why that information? Yeah, that's The thing is like,
I understand some of that, right?

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Like, but again, I actually don't think I like the idea of
like withholding the idea like the concept of venom.
It seems so like remember, remember back in the day in
fourth Wayne when it was like Venom or fairy tales, they don't
exist. Like what a what a wild journey
we've come on like from now. It's like I.
Forgot about. They had they were, they didn't

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exist. They didn't exist at the start.
That was the, that was the like central twist of the first book
of like, no, no, no, that's a fairy tale.
Only kids believe in Ben and they're like the boogeyman or
whatever. And now it's like they have
their own structures and they'vebeen part of the society and
everybody knows about them and they've been building this whole
thing and they've been around for hundreds of years and it's
like. They have signets.

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Yeah, like, just feels like there's a lot that they
withheld. And then everybody gets on the
same page quickly. Like nobody's like, what the
fuck? Are Venom real?
Like it doesn't really feel. They're like, OK, well, now the
Venom are real. Like it's full like that you
found us out. And I guess everybody knows now
and then, like everybody's on the same page and they're just,

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like, moving about. Their everyday life is normal
again. No.
That's actually so true, I didn't even think of that that
found. A little bit weird.
The venom have always felt a little bit weird to me, like
I'm, it's, I feel dumb, like I feel like it's supposed to be
me, a metaphor for something andthey don't know what the
metaphor is. Yeah, yeah, that's fair.

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Yeah. I just like, I know I hate
feeling so dumb in this series. Yes, OK.
Also, I wanted to say it was very Aqua math, like a Court of
Mist and Fury vibes where they go to all the islands and
there's like all these side quests and again, like when I
was listening, so I like half started reading it and then I
was like, can you to listen to the audiobook?

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So I started beginning the audiobook and I was like like
cleaning my house and like goingon a walk and like stuff like
that. And I was like, I'm actually
like having a good time like this is really fun, but I just
like it. It did feel so Akamaf where it's
like we need to gather the troveor like we need to gather these

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six items to be able to defeat the venom.
And honestly, if you asked me point blank right now why they
needed to go to the islands and for I guess it's to get an army,
but it's like, I actually couldn't tell you.
Like I, I, I actually don't eventhink I could.
Like it's to get an army to defeat the venin right?

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But it's like why don't the other countries or whatever the
fuck they are Isles want to? If they know about the venin,
why aren't they also trying to kill them?
Oh well, Venin can't go on boats.
Yeah, yeah. Because because there's no magic
there. Like like, like I like, I like.

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The whole like magic, no magic thing is interesting.
It's convenient. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I do think that it has something to do with Dragons
generally, and I think that, like my tinfoil hat theory, this
episode will be that the Dragonsare actually evil.

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I know you texted me that when we were reading the book.
And I think the Dragons are bad.I think they're bad.
Well, like the fucking Earids were assholes.
Well, I think that the Irons areactually the good Dragons being
assholes because all the other Dragons are evil, that's why.
They, like, went away, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah. Interesting.
I feel like it's, I feel like that's the like twist here.
I do think that like, getting anarmy is dumb when there's
Dragons. Like it's like, yeah, we want
more troops that a dragon can kill in a moment.
And like, there's seems to be nopurpose in this.
Yes, I don't understand the infantry part of the.
War. College either and also I didn't

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get we talked about this in previous episodes.
It's like we didn't get why there was a war college cause
like what were they fighting before Venin and Wyvern?
But that's I don't know. That's not for us to know.
Like not for us to know none. Of our business.
Not for us to know, but I agree that I think the islands was

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like the most fun. Like it was genuinely fun, Like
it was an enjoyable part of it. And like I really liked the
world building of that and I wished that it was more of that.
Like I like there was so much ofthem going to class and like
training and like at the collegeand like kind of trying to talk

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to Jack. And then like the scenario,
which I don't care about and like all the things that I'm
like, it just doesn't. It's like trying to give
political thriller, but I just don't think it actually has the
chops to be a political thrillertype of thing.
Like the politics is not actually significant enough that
I'm interested in it. Yeah.
Seems pretty. I'm like, it kind of seems like

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they're going to just talk and talk and talk and then whatever
plot device is going to happen, they're like move the plot
along, right? Like it doesn't ever seem like
it actually matters because thenViolet goes and does whatever
she wants to do and then there'sno consequences.
So it's like, let's just go to the islands and spend the entire
book there. Because I would have had so much
more fun if we had had like, more of the island with Zayden's

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mom or like more of the island of the Warriors.
Like there's this whole Society of people that are even better
at fighting than the War Collegepeople are at fighting.
Like, that's interesting. I wanna, like, know more about
that. Like why aren't we trying to use
that more? Yes completely agree.
It also with the scenario stuff,it was so weird because it's

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like, did you watch Buffy? Yeah.
OK, so it's like there was the Scooby gang and they figured
everything out and like it was like the joke was that like the
parents and like the government or like whatever the principles
and stuff like that. Had no idea about the vampires.
And that's like it's kind of giving that where it's like, of
course, like this gang of 21 year olds is like the people

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figuring everything out. So I was like, so why?
Why do they do dumb shit still like the scenario when like they
clearly aren't figuring anythingout.
Like I don't know that. Like it just feels like why are
we spending so much energy on it?
Like why is? Yes, yes, yeah, Because it's
like that was the funny part about Buffy is that they didn't

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care, but they didn't try to make it matter where.
It's like, it seems like she's like also trying to make it that
like, yeah, like that the king is important or whatever.
And it's like it's, it's shown that like he's not at all like
unless in a later book, he comesback and there's like a lot of
things. That well, I'm sure he will come

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back. I think that I think it's one
interesting that we haven't met the king yet.
We met. I love how they like her like
look at this queen. She's so beautiful and oh, she
died off camera. Oh no, wow, that really sucks.
So it's like, oh, that's too bad.
It kind of, I thought she was, Ithought she was kind of
interesting. But I.
Guess I know at the library and the summer house I was like,
let's go. There dope yeah that's the other

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thing it's like it seems like there's so many more interesting
things that we spent like like 300 pages of baskets and I'm
like I don't care I don't care about this why are they like oh
you have to stay in school it's like.
They like get back and they're like, here's a missive, the
Queen's dead like it. Was so like, it was a little
weird. It was such a like anticlimactic

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off camera death for someone that seems so important.
I don't know, it just seems so silly.
It's so funny. And then the last thing like for
general thoughts that I want to talk about and then we can
actually get into it. But Zadan and Violet, they're
like they're becoming recent favorite to me where it's like I
love them. I would die for them.

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And then all of a sudden I'm like, you guys are so annoying
because it's like Violet downplaying him being Venom
actually made me like, I feel like she is the one that's like
really realistic. She wasn't necessarily the
revolutionary. And it's like he was like, no,

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this is like really bad and likethere's no cure and like I'm
straight up dying and I'm like addicted to channeling or
whatever the fuck that theory is.
I don't know. I don't know.
I actually, I don't know. I actually feel like I'm with
Violet on this one. OK, OK, OK.
I love this. No, tell me.
I think that I think that like there's so much stigma.

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Maybe this is metaphor. I don't know.
There's so much stigma against venom and it's like it does like
because they have the, the red and like the things and all the
stuff. It doesn't seem like it's
actually changed how he likes things and things like that.
Although there's like moments where he's like good, bad, fuck.
I don't know where I am anymore,which like dumb 'cause like, I
don't understand why it would change your like, rationale and

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like reason behind things. I don't think she's done a good
job of like showing why that is what it is.
But I think that's what Violet was really getting at is like,
this isn't like this doesn't like change who you are.
And I think that for me, I was like a bit more frustrated with
Zayden being like, well, I guessthis is it.

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I'm going to die like the end. And it's like, well, what is
the, what is actually happening here?
Like there's no like I need to, there's no like drive to like
figure out what it is. He's just like, well, I know
what this is. Which again, I think is weird
because nobody knows what this is because they were fairy tales
a week ago. Like like like in book, it was
like a year ago. Nobody thought these things were

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real. And so instead of being like,
oh, no, what's happening to me, I need to figure this out.
And like, that's scary. And like, I think that part of
it is real. It's very much like, well, I
know exactly what's going to happen.
And it's like how, why? And I think that's what Violet
was saying. It's like, we don't know exactly
what's going to happen. We don't know very much about
this. And I think I'm more, I think
I'm more on that line. Yeah, OK.

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I totally agree that it's like, does it kind of seem like a
weird metaphor for addiction? Well, that was a listener
question that we got that we cantalk about, but it's like, it's
like, you're right. It's like some, I think he like
felt really guilty and felt really like ashamed and stuff
like that. More like ashamed versus like
scared that he like was even gonna be found out.

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And like that. I and I don't even know if it's
a, a metaphor or anything like that, but like it did.
You're right that it's like he felt really evil when it's like,
but you didn't technically really do anything wrong.
And like now you just have this like thing that like people are
treating like, yeah, it needs tobe cured.

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Like it's like a disease. But like.
So he feels like really. Yeah, like I guess ashamed, but
like, I guess the part is, is like when he had only seen evil,
like the the only people that have been Venom that he's known
personally or they've known personally is Jack, right.
Yeah. So it's like, and he was evil

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before. Yeah, he was already a son of a
bitch like. Yes, yes.
Or like, did we even know who hewas before?
But it's like they've only ever known it to be like, yeah, evil
or whatever. So it's like it makes sense that
he would think that that's what he is to me.
But I with their relationship, Ithink it's just always, and I

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think this was the same with Akatar, but it's like it's just
so much more fun when they're like either enemies to lovers or
like at the beginning of the relationship, like they're so
like just, you know, set in their relationship with each
other that it's like there's no like tension or like like she
puts in fake tension of like, oh, he's like gone or they can't

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date anymore, like. Whatever.
But it's like, it's like you're not allowed to be together.
Yeah, like an aura is like a fucking narc, but it's like
they're not actually. Like it's not turmoil like
within their relationship per SE.
Yeah, I agree. I think that it seems very
external, which isn't as interesting and I kind of wish

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we got more, and I think this even more after reading the last
80 pages very quickly, was that she's OK with writing in
different perspectives, but onlyat the very end and only like
conveniently for plot where it'slike, I'm like, I think I would
enjoy it more. OK, major spoilers for the end,

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like the whole Imogen and Quinn and like Quentin being into
jacks and that being a whole thing and like we're going to
get married and stuff. It's like, OK, this relationship
is like matured and it is where it is like dating and right or
dating and Violet are kind of like at the place that they are.
There's other people that are like clearly dating around them.

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And I'd love to see some of thatcome through a little bit more.
And we kind of get a little bit of like Riddicks interest stuff.
Like I like his character definitely was like the best,
like the the most that wrote this book.
Like I really enjoyed him on theislands.
I enjoyed like he was much more like vulnerable and like him

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being like making a joke out of him for the being like, no, I
want to come do this because badthings happen when we are
together and it's like that really hit home.
And I was like, that's so sweet.And it's like we can get those
emotional beats and like even like enemies, the lovers.
I feel like the cat thing with the guy that starts with the TH.
I can't remember his name. Beggar that seems like it was

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actually just a plot mechanism for us to kind of care about him
when he died, which like I was like literally wait, give me
like a relationship outside of the main couple to like fulfill
some of that a little bit. Smart, I know, 'cause I was
like, where's Tara? Yeah, yeah, actually.
Like, that's like, where's our? Girl, like literally, yeah.

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It's like she was mentioned liketwice in this book.
But yeah, I completely agree that and it's like that.
I just didn't care about the trigger thing.
No, I was like, oh shit, Cat's life sucks.
I'm so brave. Literally.
And she's like, still weirdly obsessed with Zayden.
That was also like, like, when she kept being like, are you in

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love with him or like, scared ofhim?
Like I know the feeling or whatever.
I was like OK, so crazy so. What did you think about the new
love triangle? A Holden like it just again, and
we were texting about this earlier too.
When we were reading it, it was like, it's just like he, he's

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such a non factor because Violetis so fucking like they're so
obsessed with each other that there's it's like Edward and
Bella, like it's like there, there's just even if there's
like a love triangle, like it's not like there's no real threat,
but it's just like she straight up dated and was cheated on and

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was having sex with the Prince of Navarre and we didn't hear
about it till now. Like that's crazy to me.
Like the entire second book, hislittle brother is like there the
whole time. And it's like, hey, Violet, it's
nice to see you again. Like they kind of like did that

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a little bit like, oh, I know who you are.
But not to like the point that they should have.
Yeah, absolutely. Of like, hey, you used to be my
brother's girlfriend. We've probably had dinner
together at like a palace thing or whatever.
With the fucking king. Yeah, yeah.
And this is like, so it's like. And I really, I thought Vaden's

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whole reaction to that was so unbelievable.
Totally. He's supposed to be the guy that
like, he doesn't get jealous because he's so confident in his
abilities, because he's fucking intensic.
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
Because he's straight up intensic.
So it's like, which I did like about that, that it seems like

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he's like honing his like, that's cool that it, he's like,
seems like he's like getting better at that or whatever.
But like, yeah, it was like the whole point of it, of why we
have crushes on Zaden is becausehe's so cool, calm, collected
and like sure of himself and like just not a jealous guy
'cause he's so confident in whathe has with Violet.

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And like, and like also, it's like the whole point of him also
and their attraction to each other is that he believes that
she can like stand up for himself.
So when when Holden tries to touch her and the pit and he
blasts Holden, it's like the whole thing is that Violet would

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be able to handle herself and belike, don't touch me or
whatever. And so like it just.
It would have been much more like believable if he was more
just annoyed by him. Yes, that would have been like
he's condescending. Like he is inherently a
condescending guy. And I think that that would have

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been a more like real feeling reaction to this of like he
doesn't give a shit that he's the Prince.
And whereas like everybody like shows him deference and like
this guy is fucking annoying anddumb.
It's like, why would I care about him?
Like, I think that would have been more realistic.
And then a little bit of like, maybe a little bit of jealousy
in that like, I can't believe you would be with someone like

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that to Violet. I think that would make more
sense. But.
And then there could have been like some interesting moment for
their relationship instead of itbeing an external thing 'cause
it could have been like a littlebit of like judging her and then
her being like, well, you were with Kat and like, blah, blah,
blah, blah. And he's like, yeah, but I've
never like, you know, that that clearly has some space to grow

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and to be something. Whereas him just being like a
middle school boy being jealous just feels really silly.
Like below him like. And just often to read.
I was like, OK, I don't care. Yeah, I'm like, I feel like we
were saying with Violet and Cat,it didn't make sense, but that

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makes more sense to me than this.
Like this seemed so out of character.
And again, just like, not nuanced.
Yeah, 'cause he had almost the same reaction as Violet had with
Kat. But I think that it makes more
sense with Violet because she's always been self-conscious.
She always just felt like his mom was.
Hiding stuff from her. Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah. I am glad that that kind of has
disappeared. Thank God she heard praise.
God that she heard praise Malik or whatever she was like.
But the secrets, Oh my God. Yeah, she finally didn't say
that this book lose. My mind.
OK, let's get into it. So in Iron Flame we end off with

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the death of Violet's mom. I also wanted to say with
General Sorengay also is that they like completely like I
don't know if this is the word, but like Eulogizer, like all of
a sudden she's like a hero, which like she did a heroic
thing, but I was like she was a fucking shit mom.
Yeah. Like she like, and I know again,

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it's like, oh, she had her reasons to be like this or
whatever, but I was like, no, Lilith was like a see you next
Tuesday, like straight up like and now they're just like
obsessed with her and like she'slike walking around by this guy.
Then they're like rest in peace.Rest.
In peace. I miss my mom.
I'm so I'm so grieving. I don't know.

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I feel like it's interesting though, because I feel like
it's, I think this book, I thinkthat I, I like that only because
of what comes where we find out that Violet's dad kind of was an
asshole and like did something Kitty and then that was and
maybe like Violet's mom was doing some more.
I think there's more to this. And I think that that was like,

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I think in hindsight with like, the full context of everything
in the book, I'm like, OK, I think I can get behind being a
little bit sad that she's dead. Yeah, you're right.
You're right. There's probably more stuff
we'll find out about her and Asher.
That is the key to solving the issues that they have.

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Yeah, well, clearly there's something there.
There's. She's a priest.
I don't know then. But again, very confusing.
I'm not smart enough. We're just here for the vibes.
Just. Here for the vibes.
Yeah, they they restore the wordstones.
That's protecting them. Zayden turned venin because he
channelled dark energy because Violet was gonna die.

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And this immediately also, that was the fucking cliffhanger of
iron flame. Immediately, it's like Violet
overhears that Zayden's venom and her, like, notices that he's
Venom. And Jack also knows that he's
Venom because that was like, we kept being like, does she know?
Because he can like, hide it. It's like, yeah, in the prologue

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we. Yeah, it was the very first
thing. Which was the very first thing.
Which is fine. The whole venom thing, I'm like,
I don't know. I don't know about this.
I actually wanted to ask you, because you are more of a
fantasy reader than I am, is this kind of the structure of
fantasy series where it's like where it does get I cuz I like

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was kind of likening it to HarryPotter, which I've actually
never read the whole series, butit's like it did kind of feel
like where it's like the first book It's yeah, school and they
don't know stuff and then it's like they learn more stuff and
then it becomes I guess just like, I don't know what I'm
trying to say even, but like. It's the forces of evil.

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It's like, that's the kind of like vibe that I think that
she's going for of just like, it's pure forces of evil that
the the heroes have to, like, overcome.
Yeah. OK.
OK. So that's just.
The I do think that that is kindof the the trope of it.
I do think that it's that's why I find the venom so frustrating

(28:58):
is that I think that's a pretty old trope and not as like in
famous. Like I think that that's like a
pretty like Lord of the Rings, like the, you know, Sauron dark
eyed type stuff where it's like it's pretty boring.
And like, even that I think Sauron has a bit more
interesting. Like, I don't know what the

(29:19):
motivations of the Benin are. And I think that that's like,
part of it is like, it just seems like, well, we'll just
drain everything forever until everything's dead, hurray.
Like, yeah. But what are what?
And why do they want to kill? Why do them want to get behind
the drought? Like the words, which is back to
Dragons are evil. That's why maybe I think that
like, there's something going on.

(29:41):
It just like frustrating that she's made them so cartoonishly
evil, which is like it's like they glow red and wear robes and
are bald like they're so evil. Yeah, that is like the evil
like. It's like an 80s action movie
evil. Like it's just like there's a
little one-dimensional even though I think she wants them

(30:03):
not to be 1 dimensional. And so she's like, I think
created something that is harderto give nuance to because she's
made it so like a caricature of this.
And why they want Violet, like why they won't kill her because
of her silver hair, but then that there's other people with

(30:24):
silver hair that we still don't not like.
Well, remember Tori? She's special, yes.
She's not like other girl. She's truly not.
It's every. Is she like Loki is like other
girls, like that little girl that she sees?
OK, OK, OK, so the book starts. Two weeks have passed since the

(30:45):
big battle. Zaden is able to again, like his
eyes will fade during time because he hasn't fully become.
He's like an initiate. He hasn't fully become a sin or
whatever where it's like it's like beyond.
Again, thank God we know everything about the structure
of this thing we thought was a fairly tale 3 weeks ago.

(31:10):
Yeah, like. Beyond they have words for it,
Tori they have word. For it I know, I know, I know.
Which again, we didn't know until this book and correct us
if we're wrong, but we did. Not no, because they talked
about it in the second one too, but I think that that's such a
little bit like they remember they have, they have like they
talk about them being mavens andlike whatever.
Sages. Yeah, yeah.

(31:31):
And so they have this like. Yeah, you're right.
So they do the full structure. They literally like wiped it
from the face of the planet in the common consciousness and
then all of a sudden they like flip a switch and it's back and
everybody knows everything aboutthem again.
It just so convenient. Like, yeah, that's you can't
have it both ways. It's so weird.
That is super weird and and he feels like he's evil like we

(31:55):
talked about. So he's like cut off all
telepathic connection with Violet because he's scared he's
going to like do something to hurt her.
And Taryn and Segal are so mad at him for channeling.
She's not talking to him. And it's stressful.
And all the Orations are still at Bez Gaiath and the Navarians

(32:21):
don't trust the Orations who arestill in limbo.
They haven't been like pardoned for being deserters.
And even though they really helped the Navarians, they don't
care. And they have this like kind of
they have to figure out what they're going to do with the
wards because they will probablyonly hold on for another six

(32:43):
months. So they're like, we're kind of a
ticking time bomb here. We find out that, yeah, Sawyer
lost his leg, so he is getting mended in the healer quarter
again. This is this happened once and
then never happens again. But when Ree and Violet are
visiting him, they like find a million dead cadets and realize

(33:08):
that Benin are inside of the Gaia Bazgaya and they're hiding
in cadet uniforms. Yep, which they're like also
draining them and stuff which the wards are back up.
So how is that? How are they inside?
I don't know because I thought they they killed all of the ones
that are inside but. When I thought that's what the

(33:28):
wards do and then later in the book when the Irids come back
and fire the wards on Arisha. Yeah.
They're like, Oh no, we gotta get out before we die because of
the wards. And it's like, but then, well,
what is the truth, You know? And maybe, hey, maybe Rebecca
Yaros and her little notebook ofplot points just missed that
one. And I think that we have to live

(33:49):
with that fact. I think we just have to live
with the fact that maybe she, I.Know you and I try to always
solve it, and I think that the the answer is actually that we
just gotta. We just gotta move on.
We just gotta move on with our lives and see we need to stop
being so, you know, just like wanting it to be.
Inquisitive. How dare we?

(34:11):
How dare we want to know what's going on in this book?
They attack the girlies and Violet.
They they want to keep Violet alive.
So she's like, hey, what the hell?
They also seem to be trying to break Jack out of jail.
And Zayden appears, kills them all.
And he's like, I've been so successful at hunting them

(34:32):
because I can sense them becauseI'm one of them.
Violet is brought to the scenario, which is like all of
the Navarian aristocracy. Yeah, it's like a Senate but
fantasy, because it has Arium atthe end, yes.
Exactly. And they're like, hey, we're
going to assign you to a task force.

(34:52):
You got to recruit other other people to find out the 7th breed
of Dragons, which is what Adarnais, and they can maybe help us
in this fight against Vennon Question mark.
Yep. And other bad guys, I guess.
Yeah, 'cause then I think that that's the the errands were

(35:15):
because then Darna was able to like, kill one of them with fire
when like everyone else doesn't.And it does seem like the magic,
like the idea of them being likepure magic is like kind of
interesting. Yeah, that is yeah, I like that
and I like said she can like change colors and stuff like

(35:35):
that like that. She's fun.
I I will. She was annoying and this was
like, but she's. Fun.
He was annoying, but I think that like I didn't mind.
I've gotten more to the point inmy life.
I think that like with books andthings where there's like
teenage characters and they're written specifically to be
annoying, it doesn't annoy me asmuch anymore.
I'm not like, oh, this is so dumb.

(35:56):
I'm like, OK, I get what you're trying to do here.
And it was more of that she didn't ever like grade on my
like nerves or like really slow things down for me, which I was
like, this is fine. It was more just kind of like
funny, annoying, if that makes sense.
Also, there is an alternate version of this book where at
this moment they just go to the islands.
There is the moment. Thank you.

(36:19):
So this is the moment and this is the moment where she could
have instead of doing the whole like, remember when they went to
a town to get a fucking something to like the Mac Guffin
or whatever to turn into the person, blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah. And then the one person freaked
out and killed another person with fire.
And it was like all of that dumbshit that did not matter.
And I was like, I am, so I don'tcare.

(36:41):
I don't care about this. And it was like, I think because
they wanted Violet to have a moment with Theophany.
Theophany. Is that how we're pronouncing
that? Yeah, it's theophany.
Yeah. Theophany I, that's what they
wanted. They wanted her to have a moment
with that. I think it would have been more
interesting to have her like Theophany be in Violet's dreams

(37:04):
to like more, have the like dream Walker thing be a thing.
And they could have done literally all of that in dreams.
Like if she wants to have this whole dream thing, we could have
done all of that. Gone to the islands and skipped
the stupid fucking middle of this book.
No, truly. Also Theophany cannot take her
seriously. You're right she is a caricature

(37:24):
of an evil like her like showingup, like leaving a note like
lightning wielder, like come find me or whatever to seem so
cheesy. And it is very like Joss Whedon
Buffy verse where it's like the bad guy and Buffy have like the
banter before she kicks their ass.
Like, it's very much that. It is very much that.

(37:46):
And it's like, again, what's their motivation like?
It just seemed it just, it's like it.
Dayton turning venom means that there has to be something more
to the venom than just pure evil, because they're not just
going to make Satan pure evil and then that's it.
I hope not. I hope that's not where we're

(38:08):
going because it'll be so bored.No, no, I don't think so.
But also why does Theophany wants to kill her, right?
Or like or she wants to capture her.
I think there's something about them having a balance of
cygnets. I think that like they want her
lightning wielding on their side.
It seems like there's a like US versus them dignant wise, and so

(38:29):
they're trying to get the lightning signant and I think
that was because like she thought that she was the
lightning wielder, but she was actually the storm wielder and
so she was so she was actually like her mom's foil, not her
foil. And so she's like trying to
bring her over. I think it's the.
Is the gist OK? I did get.
That because they're so rare, soI think that that's why they
don't kill her is because they just want the lightning, which

(38:51):
again makes me think that like they're trying to take the thing
that's away from the Dragons because the Dragons are evil.
Get on board. Hashtag Dragons are evil I.
Really. I wonder if Rebecca Yaris would
do that because like, everyone'sso obsessed with the Dragons, I
could literally honestly take orleave them.
Like I like not not not actually, but like like.

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I could see it being like the Empyrean wants to keep the
conflict like the the wards and everything is actually like a
mechanism of control and they need the humans for something
that they haven't told them about to like they're like
exploiting them in some way. Yes.
And you've kind of had this theory all along because you're
like, why do Dragons actually need humans?

(39:37):
Because they can do everything that humans could, like they
don't need, like they can fight.It feels very silly.
I will say that like in this book there was 1 description.
It like doesn't matter, but there's like a pommel, which is
like the thing on a saddle that you like hold on to.
I thought it was an actual saddle.

(39:57):
They have pommel scales, so their backs are perfectly shaped
like a saddle. They're not wear saddles.
They literally have those infaddles in them.
And then it's like, do they justhave that?
And so it always was meant to beeither they're like, do they
evolve this way? Do they they grow these pommel
scales when they hate that? So much, but no.

(40:19):
It makes sense because we were always like, how literally how
did they actually ride them? Because.
Yeah, well, this is another thing that I think is so dumb.
It's like the Dragons care abouttheir humans, but like they
won't let them put an actual. Like, why isn't everyone doing
what Violet is doing? It seems to work like no.
Weird now. Yeah, it's like, get good people
like Jesus. It's like why?

(40:41):
No, but like why are the Dragonslike, ableist like and then
like? Ohh God, but there is like some
problematic stuff holding since everything going back to like if
the venom is a metaphor for druguse, which I I don't think it
is, but like I. Don't think it is either, but
it's weird. Think about that for a second.
That means the moment that you use drugs for the very first

(41:02):
time, your soul dies and you become a caricature of evil.
Like that is a fucked up metaphor for drugs.
No, literally. And you?
Thank you, I guess your soul is dead now and we should kill you.
And you should isolate yourself until you die.
Like, that is so crazy. But like, OK, let's just talk

(41:22):
about that for two seconds because we do have a we did have
a question. And I feel like we're dancing
around it. We don't need to like, come back
and revisit it at and shoe boxes.
Rebecca, who's Rebecca says is turning venin a parable about
narcotics abuse. It just feels so weirdly
structured. It is weirdly structured.
Yeah, because it's like, it seems so clearly about like

(41:45):
addiction. Yeah.
But like you're addicted to power.
But like but I don't like. That would be weird.
It would be, I think that like and like I think that maybe
that's part of it is like Violetis the only one.
And that's like why Violet has areaction.
It's like it's almost a harm reduction.
Yeah, right. Terrible.

(42:06):
A little bit of what, like what Viola wants to do.
But again, I think the way that they talk about them, like
losing their souls is like a really kind of fucked up way to
talk about that, if that is whatit is.
I don't know, it just doesn't feel very kind if that's what
they're trying to get at. Or like, yeah.
Or like it feels if you, me and Rebecca had the same theory

(42:29):
about it, it seems. But that's not it.
Then you need to clarify because.
Well, there's definitely like anaddiction piece to it, right?
It's like I can't get past this.He's.
Like I'm 83 days like sober fromShanley and like.
Yeah, it like has the same language, like it's like
counting dates and stuff. And it's like very much that,
but it just doesn't feel like itlacks, it lacks the like nuance

(42:53):
of what the issue actually is, which I think is frustrating.
Also, it's like, OK, is Zayden like better than everyone
because he can like, not use where it's like other people
couldn't not use and then they became Asin or whatever the fuck
quick, Yeah. I know I'm not saying that
right, but yeah, Asin or whatever the but I think that

(43:16):
it's like, and he does that entirely white knuckle, right?
Like that's yeah, it's again, it's like not really the way.
So if it is that it doesn't feellike it's coming from a place of
understanding or like wanting toget into the issue in a serious
way, more from like a place of demonizing people.
And I don't know of a like that version of this.

(43:36):
I think that it's still, I think, again, she wants them to
be more nuanced. Like there's something there.
There's like a structure and there's something there.
So I want her to show us something that shows are not
evil, but she's not done a good job of like giving.
Like if you think about like really good feelings that have
like, I, the best feelings I think are ones that you agree

(43:56):
with where you're like, I actually kind of agree with you.
Like, if you think about, like, the one that I think always gets
used and I think it makes sense is the one from Black Panther.
Like the first Black Panther movie where it's like, yeah,
Killmonger goes a little too far, but I can see why he's
upset. Like, colonialism has completely

(44:17):
destroyed this thing and that they haven't done anything to
help. And like, that is like, I
actually kind of agree with you.And I'm like, kind of rooting
for you a little bit and like that the better.
Like, that comes from the, like,his very first scene is in that
museum where he steals the thing.
And I'm kind of like, that was fucking dope.
I actually kind of really like that.
And I hope he wins. Which is what you were saying.

(44:38):
Again, it's like nuance where it's like you're not like pure
evil. There's like, yeah, that's
again, that's, that's very, I feel like we could list a
million OPS that are like that. Absolutely like I think that
that's like a, a, a thing that exists.
And so I feel like because they're so like red veins from
the eyes and like trophy that itfeels really frustrating when

(45:03):
she's awful like, but maybe there's more to them.
Like, there's this secret, like structure and they have this
calling. And I wish that like, Zayden had
talked about that more. Like there was so much more
opportunity for him to be like Violet.
I feel this man calling to me like I can feel.
This yes, I can. I can feel the other people, the
venom and like stuff like that. And you're right, maybe in the

(45:24):
4th book we'll actually figure out what their goal is, how they
became venom like. I still don't.
Yeah, and I'm sure she'll drop like three more bonus chapters
over the next. Yes, yes, yes.
And we'll read those and we'll be like stuck in them.
Yes, we're not getting the 4th book for like a while now, which
I actually appreciate and respect.

(45:45):
Yeah, Rebecca for doing that. I agree.
But you're right, we will get a bunch of Zaden POV's in the next
two years. Like whatever, like.
Absolutely we will. OK, so yes, we're at Baz Gaiath.
There's tensions between the Flyers and the Riders.
Violet is able to to kind of be,you know, like the again, like

(46:06):
the Buffy, like righteous, like leader being like, no, we can
like we have a common enemy, like let's unite.
Finally, the scenarium pardons the deserters and their rations.
So they restore Zaden's title toof Duke of Tyrandor.
They give him his lands back because obviously that was all

(46:26):
stripped from him when his dad started the rebellion.
And they're still not letting permeal residents into their
borders, which again, I thought they were like trying to protect
civilians. So like this still doesn't
really like make sense, but they're making progress.

(46:47):
I feel like this book is just like, I don't know much about
Rebecca Yaros. I don't want to like, make any
assumptions, but it's like a badmetaphor for immigration right
now. Like, no, literally.
It's like these people are OK, but these ones aren't.
It's like OK. Well, it's like, but she's like,
there's like all these people are like they're running from
something terrible and they're just trying to cut.

(47:08):
And then the government is evil.Like that kind of thing where
it's like, we get it, We get it,Like it's right, Right, Right.
It's so funny. OK yeah, so everyone is is
moving on. Violet goes to the ward stones
and she tries to alter it to letthe Flyers wield because yeah,

(47:30):
because they like don't have signet powers and they need to
step up their fighting game so. Well, I think that was part of
that was part of the politics that don't matter.
Tori, remember, they was like, oh, they can't stay here, they
can't wield. And it's like, OK, well, we'll
have this. So we'll just fix it to like do
fix it. And then it'll be done.

(47:50):
And then the the politics don't matter.
If there's like, oh, because of politics, it's like, and then
they just like solve it and it'sdone.
It's over. In like 1 hour she just goes to
the word stones. Of course the sworn girl
siblings are there. They're trying to intervene but
Mira just like does it anyways. And then, even though that's

(48:10):
technically treason, Violet getsaway with it.
Classic violence. Yeah, like classic.
Violence. Casually doing treason.
This is the second time she's treasoned.
In like in the span of. Like and she'll treason again.
And just wait till she treasons again.
Although I didn't like the whole, they were like, oh, this

(48:30):
is such, they made such a big deal of it.
When they went out to the islands, they were like, this is
treaties. And then I'm like, I was like,
no, not it doesn't really feel like that.
They didn't face any consequences, which like I was
not surprised by. I was like, this is a non thing.
But it didn't even feel like in the moment I was like, this
isn't treason. Like you're just like kind of
disobeying orders or whatever togo and kind of do the thing.
But not exactly the way that they said it.

(48:51):
Just like they made it seem likeit's like, oh, this is a big
decision. You have to like follow me and
do this thing. And I was like, OK, cool.
It kind of seems like that's what you always do.
So it doesn't really feel like it is the big deal, but OK,
sure, we'll. Exactly like that's literally
every everything you've ever done in this series.
Oh, no treats then. Like, King Tari gives a fuck.

(49:15):
Queen Mariah comes to best guy of like we said, she thinks
Violet for everything she's doneand says you can access my
library because we have information that could defeat
the venom. Also, it's like, OK, so you've
just been sitting on that information.
Like, no, you fucking read the books then.

(49:37):
Like, like or like why? Yeah.
Why don't you tell us? Have you not read the books?
I mean, that's so funny. And then and then it burns to
the ground and it's never talking about it again off the
camera. Like like it's wah wah.
It's so true. So even though the scenario
doesn't punish her, general Atos, who's now the commanding
general of Ezgayeth wants to punish them because of rules and

(50:02):
stuff. So and he's like kind of like
again, like pseudo evil. So he's like, hey, you and the
squad have to go to Samara, which is an active battleground.
Zadan was there during Iron Flame.
And so they're like, scared. And then they arrive and the
lieutenant's like, OK, we're notputting cadets on the front
lines, which is like, chill. And then they hear about an

(50:25):
attack on a neighboring city, which is one of the Flyer
Marin's where the her family is located.
They're not going to intervene because it's a really small
village and it would give away like their location or whatever.
But because of Marin, they're like, hey, we're we'll

(50:46):
intervene. They head to new wall and they
like fight off Wyvern. They realize it was actually a
trap because Theophany is there.He they like almost die like
Taryn like fully gets knocked out.
Violet's knee gets dislocated and Garrick shows up.

(51:08):
Which was really surprising because he was back at this Gaia
and they are really far away. Like 2 days travel time.
We heard about that fucking every minute of iron.
If he can teleport. But he can like he can wind
wield or. Whatever I do like the
teleporting, I like the I think it's interesting that all of

(51:30):
them have a second signant. It does kind of mean that like
what was the purpose of Violet having two Dragons?
But like. Thank you.
That was the other thing. I was like, So what actually is
the purpose of the two dragon thing?
But like, we know that she wasn't actually supposed to bond
with her or whatever, so like. Yeah, but I do think that like

(51:51):
it's interesting that she, I think the two signets for the
marked kids, it's like, I don't know, it's like interesting.
I think it's like kind of a weird thing that like I think
shows that there's something to do with the magic that's like
holding them like that is like finding them that is like giving

(52:13):
them the marks. So it's like something going on
behind that, although I don't know there's actually anything
to that. I think she's just like, it's
like it's convenient for the more to have a second signet.
I think it's a little sloppily ridden because like, yeah, it's
like, OK. And then everyone, especially
when they start the signet sparring, it's like, OK,
everyone like you have to like tell what your signet is unless
it's like classified or your second signet or whatever that

(52:37):
is. But it's like, unless it's
classified, which means it's like a mental one, which means
like, but again, it's like they're not fighting each other,
so why wouldn't they want to be transparent with what they can
do? Well, I don't think anyone but
marked ones have a second signets.
They hide it so that they have something up on the up.
They're 40. Right, okay.

(52:58):
I see. I think that that's like
partially what they're doing. But Violet, so it's just wait.
That's why Violet so and Darna is the reason that Violet has a
second one. Well, I kind of think actually,
because then when I'm downer leaves, she she still has her
second signet. I wonder if it has something
more to do with like a religion aspect to it because she's like
half initiate into a religion and like maybe there's something

(53:19):
to do with like the marked ones being closer to religion because
of the way that they are becauseof something that has happened.
I don't know. It seems like the religion piece
is going to play more of a there's something about like
being part of the temple that like you had to be in your
grandma or something. That seems to be more

(53:41):
significant than just like a tattoo.
Yeah, OK. Like also could it be this may
be dumb but like 'cause her dad was like basically also part of
the like isn't couldn't she be considered a marked one maybe
or? Yeah, maybe, Maybe.
'Cause like her dad was. Like part of the.
Yeah, OK, Us to find out later. Theophony's there, Garrick is

(54:06):
there, Violet's there. Turn is knocked out.
They think, Oh my God, she can wield lightning.
But we find out later it's storms because she does like
those, like tornadoes and stuff like that.
She refers to Adarna, who she's like trying to also capture that
she's an Irid. So then and Darna's like, Oh

(54:29):
yeah, that is like that rings true that that's my like breed.
And then she like leaves and they go back to Bezgaya.
Then she gets mended. And they go back to class and
they do class. Then they just go back to
normal, like pilot's like OK. Yikes.
She's like Yikes out. They didn't know that the Venom

(54:52):
have cygnets, so they like this is they're actually way more
capable than we give them creditfor.
Yeah. And I feel like that's like such
a, again, it just seems so convenient, like we know a lot
of information. We don't know anything about
them. We know a little bit about them.
We don't know anything about them.
Oh, this is brand new information.
It's like, I don't know, just feels like it's very much not.

(55:16):
Why weren't they using those in Iron Flame?
Why aren't they using them literally any other time that
we've seen them? Yeah.
Weird that it's just like now all of a sudden they've shown us
this one thing. I thought that they also like
controlled the Wyvern. They do because they create the
Wyvern. That's why we you're one of
them. All the Wyvern die.
Yeah. So then, like if they have

(55:37):
signets, if they have Wyvern, aren't they like just as
powerful as the. Yeah, which I guess that's what
they're finding out is that they're a lot more matched in
strength than what they thought they were.
Yeah. So with all this new
information, they go see Jack because they need information
and he's dying. But they can give him a little

(55:59):
bit of like, metal energy for him to stay alive a little bit
longer. And he tells them about, yeah,
being able to sense one another,how sages and mavens are more
adept, adept than like the normal ones.
He talks about the initiates versus the a Sims.

(56:19):
And then he is basically like, Idon't want to be cured.
I feel free, I have access to power.
I don't have a conscience. So I'm like unburdened by life.
Yeah, which seemed more like a hymn problem than a kind of
level at the beginning. It's like, did you have one
before? Yeah.
Like you were like, I'm going tojust straight up murder everyone

(56:42):
all the time. And no straight up but they
continue their research after they get this information and
Josenia is all is helping. Josenia is getting like bullied
by the other scribes because shewas helping the squad do
research and she has found out that there are other like

(57:06):
kingdoms the Isles and they aided in a previous uprising the
Krovlin uprising. But the section was ripped out
and she's like maybe that's relevant to the either finding
the 7th breed or defeating the venin or finding a cure for the

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venin. Conveniently Violet's father was
doing all of this research. So they go to a battle brief and
Devera announces that Zaden is now a Prof and will be teaching
signet on signet combat. Which is again because we found
out that the Venin have signets and Violet stoked because it

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means that he won't be sent intobattle, that he can stay at
Bezgayev. But it also means they can't
officially date because of the code of conduct the codex.
So dumb. It's so dumb.
I was like, again, why would anyone give a fuck at this
point? Like obviously it's like, I'm
glad that they have that policy,that that is a good policy, but

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like. OK, to be clear, yeah, to.
Be clear. Yeah, we are.
Yeah, absolutely. I get that in this specific
instance it's a little dumb. They were in a previous
relationship, they are the same age.
It's not like a fucking pervy teacher creeping on a student
like it. And it seems so meaningless and

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pointless when. There is still at the school.
Why still at the school? Why do we care?
Why do we care about going to class and doing these things?
I don't care. It lasts so long.
I know it's so bad, but Zayden teaches his first class Cygnet

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sparring and he just like shows off to everybody and he's
training with Violet and he's basically like, you need to
learn how to locate me even in the shadows because you're
probably the only one that is strong enough to kill me.
And you might have to kill me ifI become like full venom.

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Yikes. This was like fun.
But again, like inconsequential.But basically Violet knows that
her dad's journals are left in their old living quarters which
is now belongs to General Ato. So she asked Dane to steal them
and when she gets them, there's a lock on the buck and the clue

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is first love is irreplaceable. There's another Cygnet sparring
class where Prince Holden arrives.
He doesn't know that Arik AKA Cam AKA his other his younger
brother is. Is there so they hide him, but
we soon find out that Halden andViolet are exes and unfriendly

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terms with each other. Yeah, yeah, We've talked about
it. I find it to be.
I mean like I don't mind him being her ex, I just find
everything that comes after thatfact to be kind of annoying.
Yeah, it's it's not that she hasexes.
We actually have talked about inFourth Ring.
We liked that Zaden and Violet. Like sometimes it's annoying in

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books where it's like you're my one true love.
I've never had sex with anyone else.
I've never dated anyone else. Like, yeah, like this actually
makes sense for a 21 year old. Yeah, but it being a Prince and
her like not even even mentioning and maybe there was a
mention of this that I just didn't pick up, but like, it's
not even that she had to mentionthat she dated that the ex.

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But it's like, well, a she didn't think, oh, there's my
ex's brother when she saw Arik. And then also it's like she no,
she has like a close relationship with the fucking
king. Yeah.
That she really, I think downplayed.
Yeah, or didn't mention. Yeah.
It just didn't feel like it had been thought about before this

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moment. And it was like kind of an
interesting, I think like the Dane thing had run its course.
And so it's like we need a new love triangle.
And it just like got manifested out of thin air, kind of felt
like how it happened. Totally.
And he brings news from Takaris,who's Cat's dad, about arranging
a meeting in Der Valerie. I probably said that wrong, but

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it's one of the aisles and they need to.
It's like the merchant aisle andthey need to bring something
precious to trade for support. And Queen Mariah says you can
give this rare gem that's in a nearby city to him to trade for

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information. And so we go on another little
side quest. So there's a yeah, there's a
full fucking side quest. She figures out the the password
to the journal and it talks about, yeah, defeating the
Venom, which is there's like more info at Takaris's place, I
guess. And then, yeah, they have to go

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to Dareli. So they go get the gem.
Mira finds it. They like can't use they can't
use their signets. But then Ara, the like Atos Narc
does and she like accidentally sets the place on fire.
One of the captain, Captain Grady dies.
She she gets killed by a Wyvern and they like just, they just

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get out. Yeah, and there was the note
from the off and along the jam. That's like hello lightning
wheel there. It's.
So cheesy. I knew you were gonna be here.
That's so cringe. Cool, sounds good.
I'm so glad that we have spent time doing this.
Yeah, it's just like an hour of my audio book being dedicated to

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this. Yeah, and a.
Stone, just have Queen Mariah give you the fucking stone.
Yeah, it's just like, I'm Mcguffin for no reason.
It just felt like there was not really anything to be gained.
I mean, this whole part of the plot, I feel like we wanted to
like speed through it because it's like, it's just like, and
then they go and then they talk and then I think when they
finally get to Deverelli. Yes, yes.

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It gets a little bit more interesting.
I do like the town, the like market town vibe and then being
merchants. And I think, yeah, it's kind of
a cool. That was like a new environment,
which I feel like was badly needed in this book.
Like I think that we needed morenew places.
Yeah, it was interesting that it's like they don't care about

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yeah, like being writers or scribes or whatever.
Like I thought that was interesting and they basically
have to seek out this woman thathas more journals and she tests
Violet on all these questions. And one of the questions like
this is again, so under the mountain with Amarantha like
love being the Riddle answer. It's like she she's like, do you

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love him or something like that?Is like one of the questions I
was like. It was so dumb.
It's like they, it's like every time they try to like, test
people's intellect, they're actually just testing their
relationship. Gossip.
It's so dumb. It's so dumb.
I was like, that is silly. I did really enjoy the two kids

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that worked in the bookstore. Just, like, absolutely getting
their asses handed to them. That's funny.
Yeah. I liked this even though I was
like shaking my head. Yeah, yeah.
And then when the grandma was giving her the test, it just was
felt really dumb. I also was like a bit.
It was weird to me how like, hurt her sister was.

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Mira. Mira being like so upset that
the dad was like leaving me specifically for Violet and it
kind of felt like, I don't know,it felt like she wouldn't have
actually been upset because I feel like it's like obvious that
Violet was like the dad's. And you're the mom's person.
So like so like it doesn't really feel like it was
necessary whatever cuz then theywere like kind of mad at each
other for like the entire book, which I.

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I know, I know. It feels silly to me, but I
think that was fine. They learned that basically if
you don't successively negotiatewith Develli people because the
Krovlins promised them Dragons and then they didn't follow
through that, they'll like fucking kill you.
Yeah. So Holden at the same time is at

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the king of Deverelli's palace trying to be like the Advocate,
but little do we know he's actually just trying to get
stuff that was stolen from his Kingdom.
Trying to rob them, which is like, you're so fucking dumb.
I know, I know. Which is like, yeah, that's
fair. But like you're so like you're
so fucking dumb. So basically what happens is

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they get caught for stealing, hekills Holden's bodyguard and
like serves it to these three Panthers.
Yeah, I did find the whole dinner scene kind of fun.
It was very Red Wedding like. Yeah, it kind of was like I was,
I was giving. I think this is the part of the
book where I like got more into it because I feel like I was
like, Oh, this is interesting. Like this is like all the

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scenario and stuff and then likefighting about and like all of
that was just kind of like it doesn't feel real.
Whereas this felt like I was like, I don't know what this
king is going to do. That's fucking crazy.
And they like served the head ona platter like that's cool, Like
I like that. So I think that part of it
really started to get me. And I think this is where the
with Holden and Zayden, it actually like felt more real

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like it. That felt like what I wanted the
entire time, which was Zaden being like, you fucking idiot
and kind of trying to solve the problem for him because.
He isn't a threat, he's a fucking dumb entitled Prince.
Yeah. So I felt like that was I, I
that like started to turn for meand I was feeling better about
it. Completely agree and they start

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obviously getting into a fight because all of this is happening
and Zadan channels and kills everyone except for Takaris, the
king hauled in and Violet and because of this he's turned back
into venom. So violets like you got to go
I'll take over. They agree that he'll support

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them in exchange for the gem. And then because Violet is like
this is also really bad, he giveshe gives him and Dharna's
dragon shell which is really rare.
Yeah. And I thought that was like,
yeah, I thought that was good. It was interesting because like
the whole thing, they were like,we need to like have this as a

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base for like going off. And they never go back to like
they go back once. And then I was like, did they?
Yeah, they, yeah, they need the support because they and they
need to be in the middle. Again, if this is a different
book and this was like 200 pagesearlier in the book and they had
done this exact scene and then this was this actually was the
base. And then we'd fly to an island

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and then come back here. And then they would talk about
what they learned and then said like become the new kind of like
central base instead of being a,we feel about that.
That would have been so much more interesting. 100%.
And we just like fully got rid of the continent for like 3/4 of
this book and we just spent likethe majority of our time doing
these. But then they go back to fucking

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pass guy. And I was like.
I know. Was.
Straight back, they're like again, doing fucking research
like the Scooby gang. But then they finally go to the
Southern Isles, which is where they were always supposed to go.
And Holden wants to go and they do need like a royal
representative. But Arek shows up at the last
minute is like, no, I'll be thatperson.

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And Holden's like, Oh my God, I've been here the whole time.
Like I'm fucking pissed at you. Yeah, which again.
And then Holden's like out of it.
Whereas like if there was this date there, then Holden could
continue to be an annoyance on like every single island.
And it would have been. I just feel like it would have
been more interesting. Totally.
So on the way to the aisles theyhave to stop and camp and Mira

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is talking about how she went onpersonal leave and they saw
their estranged grandma. Love with the prize family
member that we've just now learned.
Never never heard of their grandparents and how they had a
falling out with the parents. Love that for us.
They're estranged and we don't actually like that.
Doesn't really come to a head, but I'm sure it's important, no?

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No, no, she fights with Brennan about it like 300 pages later
and then and then it doesn't come to a head.
You forgot there's one other done thing that what happened
and then nothing comes of it. Important.
Exactly. I do really like this book I
feel. Like, no, me too.
We do. We do, we do, we do.
While they're camping, a bunch of soldiers show up there from

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Unbreal, which is the province that they're in or Kingdom or
whatever, and they've straight up never seen Dragons before.
So they're like, hey, it's like we're not in the right place.
But Zaden, like they want to talk to the Queen again, I guess
for like support. Yeah, they're trying to raise an
army. I think they're trying to do 2
things. They're trying to find the
Dragons, but they're also tryingto get like, support.

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And the care and the benefit. Yeah, yeah, right.
And the care is preventing, of course.
But I think that like there's the two, there's like the, it's
like the three of them. There's like the public one that
is we need to get an army because that's like why they let
them go. And then the second one is like,
well, we need to try to find these Dragons, which is kind of
like the secret one, but that the people in power know about.
And then it's like you're preventing it like Violet's.

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Secrets Violet's mission and only Violet's mission.
And so their custom is to have their strongest fighter compete
in these challenges. So they head to the Capitol and
Violet notices that all of the staff at the Queen's Palace have
fucking silver hair like hers. Which I'm like so I'm curious

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about still. I think the religion piece of
this is going to become really interesting.
And at the end of the book with like stone dagger and like all
the things and that like you thepriestess and the like, I'm
like, oh, OK, OK, OK. There's something here.
There's something going on with it that I'm interested.
Let Rebecca Yaris cook. Let her cook.
Let her cook. This is interesting.

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This is interesting. Yeah, 'cause I, that was really
interesting. I think it was like I did like I
actively physically rolled my eyes when she was like, I lost
you because I'm like underestimated you When like
Violet wins the bet like though she's the only one that wins,
which I'm like Zayden doesn't even win his play whatever,
fine. But like Violet like beats the

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queen in combat because she's underestimated.
And I'm like, this is such a like, I'm special, like the main
character trope energy. It's crazy.
You're the only like armor. Wielder and the only shadow
wielder in. All and you can world and you
don't have either of those things that can help you and you

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still are able to flip over the queen and and win the fight,
which again OK, sure. Yep, she underestimated you in
no way. I did not see that coming.
That's crazy. And she she basically says the
information that that she already knows there's no 7th
breed there. There's not even Dragons, but
she does allude that the aisles do want dragon eggs.

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Yeah. So I guess that's a little bit
of of a tidbit. Which is interesting because
that does go against my Dragons are evil If people want the eggs
and it's like a whole Yeah, because if.
They but maybe again, maybe you're right, but then they
could have like turned evil. Or maybe it's like if they have
them from the beginning, they won't be evil.

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I don't know. I don't know.
So this is like, I feel like honestly the most interesting
part of the book and yet it was such a small part of it.
But they go to another city, thecapital of Hidotus.
Hidotus. I don't know, like pronunciation
not great. But they they get approached by

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people in the capital and it's fucking Zayden's mom.
Which again reinforces that these islands weren't secret.
We knew about them because that the like Duke of Tyrandor before
this all happened, married her as like a political alliance.
And so we know these islands arereal.
And so one why are they on the map?

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Why aren't they on the fucking map?
Why are they on the fucking map?And then why aren't we talking
about them before this? Like this is so cuz then we talk
about the other like poor a meal, yes, like from the jump.
And so it's like, why are we notalso talking about these island
nations? Why is it?
100% the way that I actually, because you know, I skipped the

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map every single time, the way Iactually went back to the map
because and we did this, we did this again before we started
recording because we couldn't understand that they just still
aren't on the map, which I guessmaybe it's like it's the big
reveal so that, but it's not even a reveal.
So it's not a reveal if we knew the islands existed, like why

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are we revealing this? Like why is and this is where I
we talked about this one with the second one, iron flame,
where it was like she's become abit too obsessed with the like
it's a twist like the MHM, one plot twist of like surprise.
And it's like not everything needs to be a fucking surprise.
Like just this, it's become exhausting, especially because

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this was a surprise within a surprise.
Because then yeah, surprise. Aiden's mom is also still alive
and is here and the bandit thingand has kids with someone else
has. Kids with Farris and Zaden is
like fucking choked. Which fair enough at this point
fair enough. And they go to dinner and we

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don't know that when Violet is talking to his mom about how she
could mend their relationship, she gives them a tea that they
used to drink, but the tea is poisoned.
Then it turns out that they alsoput the whole like we poison
you, you poisoned us thing. I thought it was kind of funny
because. I was.
It was funny. Thing the whole thing gave me

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the scene from The Princess Bride where he gets the Sicilian
and he's like giving the like poison switch and it's like I
poisoned both of them because I've been poisoning myself both.
It just like gave that like silly energy, which I was like,
this is hilarious. It was really funny because also
it's just funny how Garrick was like, Oh my God, this is he's

(01:15:50):
like, this is like a childhood thing, 'cause they she poisons
or Ferris poisons the cake and then Garrick eats it and he.
Collapses, weird death jump scares.
Remember when the the shaft threw the knife at Riddick and
then it's like, oh, no, he's stabbed and then like goes
through his jacket and he punches him in the face and
nothing happens and I'm like, dowe do we need it Felt like a

(01:16:12):
little bit of like, I don't know, there was just a little
bit too much of like, we're gonna die we're not gonna die
we're OK everything's fine. We're gonna die.
Oh no, it just was is too much it.
Was way too much and it seems like Talia doesn't know that he
actually like Ferris poisoned the cake.
No, I don't think she knew. Yeah, so I'm still unsure about

(01:16:32):
like, what that is. But Violet, because she again
knows so much about like poisonsand berries and stuff like that,
she figures out how they can save Garrick.
I do like that they had established that in the first
book and it has like now come back to me too.
Like she's good with poison. Like I think I like, I was like,
this is cool that that was like a knowledge thing.

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And that was so much better thanthe woman in the bookstore being
like, what's your love life like?
This actually sounds like a big test.
Violence and elegance. Agreed.
And because I guess they now have the upper hand violets like
you have to align with us. So then they head to the next

(01:17:15):
aisle. And I thought this was also
really fun. Basically, their custom when
they meet the Queen Calixta, is that they have to choose a card,
and then they receive a gift. And a lot of them are just like,
dumb gifts. But Traeger, who is like, yeah,

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starting to have a relationship with Kat, gets an arrow and he
just, like, immediately dies. They mourn his death, but
they're able with the Queen to like they agree to have an
alliance and that she will provide.
Troops, yeah, which like, again,I felt like the Traeger death

(01:17:56):
was so it felt manipulative. It felt like it was just meant
to make us feel bad that somebody died, but it felt like
a completely expendable death. Like I was like, OK, yeah, of
course Trigger dies. I was like, like he was being.
He's had no. Dialogue addition to die.
Yeah, he's had no dialogue. His entire plot is that he

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finally got together with Kat literally on the island
previously. This they're like, Yep, we're
together, La La, la. And then he dies and it's like
it just kind of felt like it waslike, OK, yeah, cool.
Thank you so much. This doesn't really have any
emotional resonance with me because I don't care.
About it, no I like didn't bling.
I do think it was like mean to cat.
Yeah, I know it's fucking cat. Cat can't catch a God damn

(01:18:40):
break, but I literally didn't care.
And they're like and like, I guess it's like you never want
to lose someone on it. And I do like how they they do
the burial and stuff like that, like that.
Again, was from 4th wing. So like I do like that they like
are keeping with their traditions and stuff like that,
but. Yeah, Yeah, I thought that was
good. That's.
About it but they go to another island to.

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Bury him. And they're like checking out
the place and they realize that it's inhabited by the 7th breed
of Dragons. We found them.
We found them and they're able to speak with them
telepathically and basically Adarna does her own lordump.
Yeah, which was funny. I was like, which is like really

(01:19:23):
like Susanna was like OK, so then I was born and then I did
this and then I did this and I was like, this is actually
hilarious. It.
Was really funny. I think that's why Violet can
still talk to Taranan and Darna,but nobody else can while
they're on the island. Because.
Because Indarna is magic and she's the they like bring magic
with them and so she's the only one.

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The reason that Violet is the only one that's able to do
anything is because Indarna is there.
I love it, yes, Okay, that's a good.
I think that's a good. That's a fun twist.
Yeah. Well, it's just like a little
piece of lower building. Yeah, it kind of shows a little
bit of. I appreciate that kind of thing.
So that was good. And then yeah, so and Darna does
this lower dump, they get through it and then they're

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basically. You've learned nothing.
You were, you clearly are so excited about murder and have
been. And it's like, well, you left
her at murder college, so I feellike you don't know what you
were expecting. Yeah.
But it does make me think that's.
They're good, you're right, Because they're like for.
Evil Dragons is that they thought that like they left her

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as a test for the rest of the Dragons to see if they would
realize that like the evil like it was really bad for them to
want to continue to fight. And yes, it seems like it's
actively the Dragon's decision to have conflict.
Yes, OK. That is interesting to me.
That is really interesting to me.
And yeah, they're like, yeah, you failed all our tests.

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You are like a weapon for this war college.
They criticized Taran for gifting Violet with lightning
and how? And Darna has given her
dreamwalking, which, yeah, whichwe don't know at this time.
Yeah, but the dreamwalking. Stopping of time and like all

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of. This shit, all of those ones.
Been able to do. Yeah, they're like pissed.
Kind of wish the dreamwalking one.
Yeah. I think that like instead of
having her run into Theophany and get sticky notes from her or
whatever, it would have been more fun if she was in her
dreams. And that would have made this
more like serious and real. And then on the flip side of
that, instead of dreamwalking, Ifeel like it would have been
interesting if she could like hide like Andarna does, like if

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she does. Or.
Whatever I think that would havebeen.
More and change her scales or whatever.
Yeah, that is interesting and like.
Anyway, it's not important. I was just like, I would prefer
if it was either of these things, but it's not.
This is not the. This is the book that I want,
not the book that I got. Yes and I'm still confused at
how she gives her her second signet but then leaves and she

(01:21:53):
still has it. It is interesting.
Like I still don't get that partbut we'll we'll find out and
then Violet's like OK well this wasn't helpful but can you can
you let us know if there's a venom cure?
They're like there is no cure And Zayden gets upset and his
eyes flash red which Riddick notices which I forgot that not

(01:22:17):
everyone knew that he was Venom.Like, I was like, I did like
them going off and having the whole thing.
And then she, like, tells. So yeah.
Then she like, he's like, you need to tell me.
And Violet and Riddick go off and like do that afterwards.
And then with Riddick having this moment and then she strikes
lightning as opposed to tree. And then they come back down the
hill and Riddick's like, I swearto God, we weren't having sex.

(01:22:39):
And Zaden Flick, yeah, I know. He's just like.
That was also like, he's like, like if I remove my hand, it
looks like I was doing somethingwe weren't supposed to do.
I was like again, yeah, like Violet's fucking you right now,
like or like whatever. Like that was that was crazy.
But also I loved this. Like you were saying Riddick was

(01:23:01):
truly like I was lol lean at allof his one liners and I so
appreciated this moment because.And I feel like though, like she
should be having this with Rhiannon because like, that was
set up to be her best friend. I wish that there was more I'm
OK with him having like, I'm OK with Riddick having more of the

(01:23:21):
like spotlight for this book specifically to give him more
character development one. Just as a side note, I wish he
was gay. I thought he was gay.
He's giving bye vibes. Yeah, like, I kind of want, I
want this to exist and gay people exist canonically or
whatever, like. Yes, yes, yeah, canonically
there are gay people in Navarre.No okay I actually was getting

(01:23:42):
bi vibes the whole time because he like talks about sleeping
with women but he makes jokes about also having sex or like
having crushes or like thinking guys are hot so I'm like I.
Actually like see. Some like and.
Maybe I was just reading into ittoo much, but I could see a.
But I want some of that. Me too.
I want some of that. But I do agree that like, I

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think there was more. I think the relationships
outside of the Violet and Zaden relationship are becoming more
interesting because the Violet and Zaden relationship is so
static. Yes, yes, Which is again, like
Acatar, like we moved on to Nesta and Cassie and it's like
that's what we're kind of doing here.

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And I'm like, happy. And I liked that more like Nessa
and Cassie, and was like more exciting for me.
Like that was like a more exciting thing.
And so I like, I'm like, I want that.
I want that. Totally.
And he is, yeah. Like he's like, no, I'm in, I'm
in on this. Yeah, when, when I'm not there,
bad things happen. And like, let me know what the

(01:24:45):
line is and if Zaden ever crosses it, then we can figure
this out together, which I thinkis a very good way of supporting
a friend that's in like a tenuous situation.
Yeah. Yeah.
I thought it was really, really good.
They head back to Bezgayeth and.And Dharna is really upset that

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she's not wanted by her breed. Violet hears from Theophany that
Theophany has what Violet seeks,which I guess maybe is the cure.
We find that Queen Mariah is dead, which is so funny.
Yeah. Oh no.
This is a throwaway line. I don't think anything comes of
it. But they're like, there must be

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traders in our midst because theway that she died was that there
was a shipment of alloy daggers to the infantry.
But then. But we find out who the trader
is at the end. It's what's his face the the
general and now I can't rememberwhat his name is.
Oh yeah, you're right. It's.

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Pan Jack. Pan Jack.
You're right, You're right. It's pan.
Yeah, yeah. So it's pan check all along.
It's been pan check all along. Which do you remember pan check
from other books? Yeah.
Yeah, I I OK. Yeah, I feel like.
That's Brown. He's just one of the teacher
guys. Yeah, and Violet comes clean to
everybody else that didn't know that Zaden was a venin.

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Zaden and her like exchange gifts.
He gets her a silk nightgown that she saw on Deverelli that
she liked, and then she gets himan A bracelet that's made out of
Onyx from a Ryerson house turretthat was decimated.
So we got a little bit of romance there.

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And then weeks pass their training, the wards are
beginning to fail in a Ratia andDarna's upset.
Still, Zaidan is dealing with political stuff in Tyrrendor.
He opens the borders for all theprimorish civilians.
Oh, and then the other guy has shadows.

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Yes OK, so this is really interesting people like they're
training so they're like trying to get their signets to to
manifest and this guy named Lynxbecomes a shadow wielder.
So this we get the second shadowwielder and Sawyer is also back
in the saddle. He is able to ride his dragon
and like a prosthetic leg and then the crew heads to Aratia.

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This is like where it gets really crazy.
They go to Aratia because the wards are failing and they need
to like defend it. Yep.
So like this whole book, Zaden and Violet have not been able to
have sex because, well, they. Except for one.
Thing except for one. Scene And I will say that the
first one was I like the first one, although the the moment
where they like crashed through the table, I was like, oh,

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that's something it would reallyhurt.
They're always like breaking furniture, but I was like, I
like, again, very Edward, very Breaking Dawn.
But like, I was like, I feel like this isn't like, I guess
that it's like it's this passionate, but I was like,
yeah. I don't think.
That this is like this hurts I feel like.
Like I was like, that would hurt.
But I did like the first scene. I mean, they were both I thought

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like both of those sex scenes were good.
I think the first one was more exciting.
This one was like, fine. I did like later on they make a
reference to the chair when she like closes the door and locks
the door in this chair. And I was like, that's funny
and. I think in the first scene have
they referenced the armoire? Like, yeah, the broken armoire.

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Like, that is fucking funny. But yeah, they can only have sex
when the magic is down because he's scared of like losing
control and hurting her so that when they're at one of the
aisles and there's no magic, they can have sex and then.
Well, then this time it was like, just because he thinks
he's in control, like this was the first time he was like,
yeah, we can do this. So that was kind of interesting
that he was like, OK, we're good.

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And then it was like fine. And they seem to be doing OK.
They had sex on the chair and I don't know if you've seen the
tik toks about this but everyonecuz she like puts her feet on
the like legs of the chair whatever and everyone's trying
to figure out what. I'm trying to figure out, it's
so distracting, so like and thenhe's like behind her and I'm
like behind her. Is he sitting on the chair?

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I don't understand. Is he?
Is he in the chair? I don't know, like is she like
sitting on his face or like whatis how?
No, but he's fucking her. I don't know.
Yeah, I know because and then he's like, and is she facing him
or not facing him? I thought she wasn't.
It's very confusing. I didn't.

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I always like though when he uses the shadows to like bind
her hands and stuff like that. Yeah, that is good.
That is good. It is always funny in sex
scenes, like in books that I read where you are kind of like,
like, like you're just kind of. Like, yeah, you're like kind of
you do it for a moment and you're like, wait a minute,
what's the geometry of this? You're.

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Like but he's back and then you.Where's her arm?
It's like what's happening? Literally, it's so fucking
funny. But yeah, that was like the
viral moment of this book. That was funny.
I'm I have not seen any of this online about this, but now that
you say this, I was like, yeah, I was very confused at that

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scene. I feel vindicated a little bit.
I thought I was just dumb and I was like getting through it
quickly because I was like, I don't understand what's
happening. But that I think that's why I
like the first scene better. Is it?
It's like. Real real sex or like real like.
Normal. Sex.
Yeah, I think that's fair. But then we get to, yeah,
they're like, again, really exciting part where they both

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are waking up with nightmares. And Violet's telling Zayden,
like, I'm having this reoccurring dream.
At one point, my hand didn't look like my own hand.
And he's like, you're describingactually my dream.
You were in my dream because youwouldn't know about Dreyfus,
which is this like coastal city that they were in.

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Like. Yeah.
And she realizes, and they confirm with Marin that when she
had a dream earlier in the book and she was looking for this
piece of art, it was actually Marin's dream that she had
walked into. So they're like, OK, maybe
you're a dream Walker, which is a form of intensic signet.
Murder her. It seems like it's a very

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common. Murder her, Oh my God.
Every other character is intensic and so it's like and
like again, Dane is like kind ofintensic but it's OK.
And then dream walking is not OK.
Like what is? What is the?
Reason I guess not. OK.
He's like, don't can't tell anyone because they murder you.
They murdered the other. It's like, when do we murder the

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intensics and when do we not murder the intensics?
And also why does it matter? And like, is it, I don't know,
just like everybody's intensic, even though like this never
happens. It's so weird.
Yeah, yeah. And like you, it's so rare, but
then like fucking everyone has it.
You're right. And like and darn.
Three of the main characters have it.
And and darn is like Oh yeah, I knew the whole time but Taran
didn't and like. That was kind of funny.

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She was like, yeah, I thought you liked it.
I was like you and you didn't want to tell her again cuz if
she told people she would be dead you fucking idiot.
Like, yeah. Good for you, I guess.
It's so funny. It's.
So funny, but at the same time Taran realizes that they're
under attack. And Eric Tarek tells Violet.

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Go protect the temple. Yeah, they have to go to Dune
Temple to save it because it'll save Tyran Dor.
So they fight. Tyran gets pretty injured.
When they get to the temple, they find Theophany.
Theophany has Mira and she's holding her captive and one of

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the priestesses of the temple basically calls her a heretic
and like basically shows that they know.
Her. They know who Theophany is.
Yeah. And so Violet puts it together
that Theophany is was a priestess there.
Yep, because she has the silver hair.
She has the silver hair and alsoshe this, you're right is like

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This is why maybe they're not just straight up evil because
she was like a person before this.
I think they were all people before this, and that's why I
think that the wielding is kind of an interesting thing 'cause
like maybe all of the venom thatcan wield were dragon riders
before they turned. Interesting.

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'Cause it does seem like more common than maybe they thought
it was like they turned back turned, like maybe it happens
more often and so that's why they can wield is because they
were dragon riders or whatever. Yeah.
Yeah. So it could be interesting.
And then we find out that earrings are there.
The guy came. That's really cute it.

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It was nice. So he comes and he's like, OK,
you can, you can come home with us.
We will teach you our ways. And and Derna's like, but I'm
bonded with Violet like. And I love that Dragon's like,
yeah, bonds don't matter. Yeah.
And he's like, well, you can change those just like you were
able to bond with her when you weren't supposed to.
So just break the bond and come home with us, which she she

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basically does when, and it's like a it's a sad moment, but
like a bittersweet moment. Violet's really upset after
everything kind of like concludes.
Yeah, goes catatonic and like isin bed for days, which makes
sense. She's missing out on training.
This is like the first time, at least I think this might be the

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first time that a rider loses a dragon.
The bond of dragon doesn't die. Yeah, it doesn't.
Die, which is interesting, but it's like she because she said a
different breed, so she's able to do that.
Yeah, well, she's able to break the bond, but I do think it's
interesting that like you can survive without it.
I think that goes more to like the because later on when and

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Zayden is talking to the sage guy, he's like, well, you're
going to have to channel a lot to survive your dragon dying.
And it's like, oh, maybe there are lots of venom that were past
dragon writers and they turned venom because their dragon died.
And so it's like you don't automatically die.
Maybe some of them channel and then turning into these venom.

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That makes sense to me. Yeah, that actually makes sense
to me. The only way to survive.
Is this alternative? And Violet was able to do it and
she specifically says because Taryn like came and like got her
out of it. And so she already had another
power source that she could drawfrom.
Where so. She's able to stay human.

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OK, that's fucking interesting. Now.
We're getting somewhere now. We're getting somewhere.
OK. I like this.
And we we do find out more aboutDune and their religion because
Mira and Brennan are trying to rouse Violet from her bed.
And they talk about how when Violet was a kid, because she
was so sick, they didn't know ifshe was going to survive.

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They. Yeah, they're they didn't know
also, like if she was going to become evil or like, I don't
know, They like what what? I don't know what that was, but
yeah. Me neither.
They talk about how, like, they used to go to the temple, Yeah.
And how that, like, really, thatreligion was something that they
was like, a big part of their lives.
Zaden at some point admits that he channeled again.

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So he's, Yeah, you know, 0 days back to 0 days sober.
Poor guy. Oh no.
They get notice that the Vennon have reached Dreyfus.
They say they have like 5 hours to respond and deliver Bodie and

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Violet or else Mira dies. Theophany.
Has although they said brother not just Bodie and they take it
to mean Bodie, but I think the brother thing is pretty easy.
I think it's just like anybody that's like of that sages line
in Vennon. And so I think that there is
actually, I think what they werereferring to is it's not just
Jack Zaden and Panchek. I think there's a secret for

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Vennon somewhere in the mixed. OK, so yeah, that's really
interesting because they say brother, but Bodie is technical
at this point. We know him as his cousin so.
He is the. Spare like he is the the next in
line for the Tyrandor throne. But I, I think what they're
referring to with brother is like other Vennon that are like
in the Vennon family, which is why they bring Jack and they're

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like trying to get to Jack. And so that's what they're
talking about. And so when they're talking
about like there's the piece at the end and I don't know if it's
like important like we do the other PO VS but I don't know if
it's like. I don't even like want to talk
about those it's. Fine, I was like a little bit
mad that there was like all these like all these different
PO VS at the end I was like again, it felt a little like
lazy. It felt a little bit like, oh,

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this is just an easy way to get you a bunch of information and.
I don't care. Like I actually just like, don't
care. About the whole Rhiannon
chapter, I was like this, I knewthis was happening.
You didn't have to show me this.I get it.
Like whatever it does not talk about her.
And then the Imogen 1 felt like a bit of emotional manipulation
because she's like, look at thisdeath scene.
Oh my God, it's so emotional. And I was like, I truly don't

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know who Quinn is. Like no seriously.
Like again, I was like, we were talking about her wedding and
stuff in the black dress she picked out.
And I'm like, this is the first time hearing about this.
I don't care. Like I genuinely don't care.
No, seriously. And like, yes, OK, so what's
happening is bring your brother.Bring Violet.
They think it's Bodie, but it's Jack.

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Yeah, but they think it's Jack too, because they bring Jack.
He gets Garrick to bring Jack. He gets Garrick to bring Jack
and then they fly S they're likelet Mira go.
She's like, no, I wanted you guys here and I'm going to kill
her. She slits her throat.
Yeah, which that was intense. Which was that was that was

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actually really, you had this like you had this like
emotional. You didn't need all the other
stuff. Totally.
And Brendan can't save her because it's too.
It's like she's too. Far gone and then Sloane very
conveniently. But I do actually like this
convenience because it shows because it's like then we find
out that Arik is like has precognition.

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Yes, yes. And so that kind of like shows
that he had manipulated it to like be this thing, which I was
like, that is really cool. So I actually do think I like
that whole part of this. So that whole scene with Mira
and then Brendan is able to saveher and they leave, but then
Taran has to leave as well because he needs to get Mira's
dragon Tyne, which again, Taran and Tyne is very I was like,

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wait, which one? What dragon am I talking about
here? Anyway, these are very similar
gets the and so Violet is like left alone with the offending
for a while. They're like battle.
It's like she clearly doesn't want her to die, but I think
that's where we learned that. Like she's really just needs a
lightning wielder on her side. Yes, because we get the review
feel that she is a storm wielderlike the mom, not a lightning

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wielder. She's like with Bodie and she's
like you need to go Theophany builds up a tornado, which also
makes sense of why at the beginning of the book when Taryn
was in that tornado, Yeah, that it's not be her being a
lightning wielder. Yeah, yeah.
Basically she's trying to get Violet to channel to become
Venom and be on their side. And so that whole scene I think

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was like good. And then?
It just pisses me off that it's like the this last quarter of
the book is actually like so fucking good.
I love the precog stuff. I love that Sloan shows up and
can. Yeah, like siphon and do the
thing. Yeah, siphon with the powers
like that, it's so fucking cool.We get the Rhiannon POV that I
did not care about. Yep.
Like Taran comes back and they get caught in the net, and then

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that was like, and then she realizes that scale is also
caught in the net. And then we like, smash cut to
Zayden's POV. Yeah.
And I think this is where we getthe stuff about the brothers and
there's like a throwaway as we were doing that, Colonel Panjak
as the van, and that's been likegiving them information.
And Zaden again, still wants to kill him.
So like again, it's like he's still he's.

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Still good? He still hasn't lost that, which
I'm like, why would he? I don't know.
It's interesting. And then Berwyn, who's the
stage, it does mention somethingabout, it's OK, I have another
brother, like I have another of these.
And so I do think it's not just Pancheck, cuz I think that
there's like three brothers thatwe know about.

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There's Jack Zaden and Pancheck now.
Yeah, I think there's actually a4th 1.
And I think that at the very endwhen they're like Garrick isn't
here, maybe Garrick is a Venn and and cuz they were like he's
supposed to burn out cuz he's walking all over the continent
or whatever. I think maybe he turned Vennon
in that last battle. OK, I was actually thinking

(01:41:49):
about that. I actually thought that too.
And like it would make sense that he would be able to keep it
a secret because of his signet. Yeah, yeah.
And so that takes us to the veryend when, like, surprise, Violet
wakes up 12 hours later, which is like kind of crazy that she's
just been missing for 12 hours and she's married.
And so it's like, what the fuck happened?
It was like, so much happened. We spent like 300 pages doing

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nothing that mattered and then so much happened in like 20
pages. It makes me so sad because like
this part is actually like so good because we get the arc part
about giving Violet this dagger that comes from the temple of
Dune. And like so again, we're getting
that religion religious piece. And then she wakes up with an

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emerald ring on her hand, which is she recognizes the emerald
from Zaden's sword and like it'sso good.
But also, it's like that one of my grapes and grumbles is like,
so a priestess saw this incapacitated woman and was
like, oh, I'll sign a marriage license on her behalf.

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Well, I wonder if I'm a little bit curious.
Or just wait? Or was she cognizant and no.
No, no, hold on. OK, OK, OK.
Because Imogen's yes, affecting memories and Imogen was with her
right there. So I think that she was like I
only the last line of the book is I only did what you told me
to do and I think. You're right, you're right.

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That's what happened, and she was aware of it, and they had a
plan, and her and Zaden had a plan, and now her memory's been
wiped and so the whole next bookis gonna be like finding out
what her and Zaden's plan, actually.
And where Zaden ran off to because he left.
Yeah, exactly. OK, that's kind of tea.
That's kind of. Yeah, like that's.
Actually, I thought it was good.I was like, oh, this smart.

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I get that. I like.
I get that. You're right.
No, you're right. She wasn't.
I like imagine it like. She lost Snow White like.
She was like Snow White, but it's like, no, you're totally
right. It's like she said, wipe the
memory because no, why? She was probably mourning.
She was probably getting marriedand knowing that Zaden was about
to fully become evil or. Like, well, I think that they

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had a plan. I think it's like Zayden was
like, I'm gonna go and do this thing and I'm gonna try to find
an answer. I think they have a whole plan.
I think there is a plan in place.
And now Violet just doesn't knowwhat it is because image and
white her memories. That's so good.
That's actually tea like that's.Yeah.
So the ending I thought was good.
I thought that worked. I thought I was like,
interesting. Yeah, I just again, I just.

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OK, so like the longest book I've ever read I think is
Outlander. Yeah, which I think is about 800
pages. This was like 500 and.
I think 500 mean, yeah, something like that. 530 or
something like that, like. Yeah, 530.
Like, that's just crazy work because Diana Gabilon or
whatever the fuck her last name is is like known as like the

(01:44:43):
wordiest girl and like, yeah, OK, let's like RIP through our
round table discussion and then we can wrap up.
Sounds good. OK, Our Internet investigation.
This is our cursory proves of the Internet of Things you need
to know. This is really interesting.
Rebecca Yaris said pay attentionto who's missing at the end,
which like obviously would is Zayden, but like, who else is

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missing? Garrick.
It's Garrick. They specifically say Garrick is
missing and then Violet says whoelse is missing because Garrick
is one of the. There's four writers that are
missing. Garrick is 1.
So there's three other writers that are missing and it could be
any of them. And I think that's part of the
plan is that maybe Garrick went with Zayden to go do whatever

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they're doing because. They're venom, yes.
Yes, because they're when Violetwakes up, they're like still
looking for like 4 people or whatever and then she said to
someone who feels like whatever they have given is not enough,
which is always the case when you turn Vennon.
That also would be Garrick I feel like.
And then she's also hinting on asecret project, which I think

(01:45:49):
maybe our hunch is right. This is crazy but like maybe
she's doing a Zaden POV book in the I could totally see her be
like I'm going to take my time on the 4th book but I can give
you a. Like Zadan's point of view from
the majority of this. Yeah, yeah, I think it.
Would be like a novella and it would be like just a few of the
chapters or whatever. But like, I think that could be
definitely what's happening. I wonder if she writes those

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while she's writing the whole thing as like an exercise to try
to understand it better and thenjust doesn't look in the book.
Yeah. Like I think in terms of like
the PO VS that she did with Rhiannon and Imogen, like it
does, again, just solidify more voices in the book.
Yeah. Which just makes everything more

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clear I feel like. Yep, absolutely.
So I'd be interested in that. Me too.
I wonder why these are unanswered questions for the
listeners. Yeah, OK.
This was, this is annoying to me.
Also, this was very like my frustration with Buffy too.
But it's like it's only the crewdoing research on how to defeat

(01:46:53):
Venom and stuff like that. It's like where is the other?
Like thousands? Of the Scooby gang, the Scooby
gang is the only ones that now gang.
But it's but I don't think it isbecause then everybody else
knows about them. It's just like conveniently like
common knowledge now that venom exists, which again is so dumb
because they didn't. They were literally a fairy tale
until a year ago. And then it's like, Nope, now we

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all know what a maven is. It's like what, how why what
happened? It doesn't.
How did this happen? It doesn't make sense.
It doesn't make sense. Do you think Zaden's mom comes
back in a future book? Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. She has to come back.
What's up with the silver hairedstaff and.

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I think it's something to do with the religion, and I think
that that has something to do with 'cause they often have the
silver hair because she was fully initiated into the
religion and to the religion have done doing whatever.
And then, yeah. And so I think that Violets,
that was the temple that Violet was like almost offered to, but
then she had a choice, which clearly was like whether or not

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to go into the drivers quadrant.And so she's like half in, half
out of that, which I think there's more to that to be
discovered at a later date. Agreed.
OK our grapes and grebels. These are nitpicky problems we
have with the book. Oh my God if fucking Violet and
I noticed Imogen said it too. Says Macabre. 1.
More time. I literally will kill myself.

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It's like how I feel like I'm just referring to other books in
this episode, but it's very muchlike how Sarah J Mast says like
vulgar gesture and like watery bowels and Stephanie Meyers has
like facade all the time, like. Yep, McComb is definitely just
so funny. And then especially at the end,

(01:48:44):
it's like there must be another word for desiccate, so.
Literally. Literally and then it's like,
and then it was desiccated and when some of them are like it's
Hannisized and it was like Oh myGod, Oh my God, we get it.
We get that. That's how they die.
Please stop using this word for everything, for everything.
And then it desiccates and it's like Oh my God, stop, Stop it.

(01:49:06):
It's just such an easy like control F and swap out for some
thesaurus words. Sick hate synonym.
And I'll do a macabre synonym gruesome, grizzly, grim, gory,
morbid, ghastly, unearthly, lurid, grotesque, hideous,
horrific, horrible, horrifying, horrid, horrendous, sickening,

(01:49:30):
revulsive, repunchant, loathsome, weird, unhealthy,
sick, dreadful, shocking, like. Petrify, dehydrate, exhaust
where devitalized stampin, debilitate SAP.
I don't know, it just feels likethere's so many other things we
could use. Or just like Wither.
Wither is a great one. Wiggle.

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He shriveled and died. Like I don't know, it just feels
like can we stop? Can we stop with the desiccating
Glee? I feel like that's so fair.
And then like we've talked aboutthis a lot, but like just the
annoyance, like they're like, OK, there are days left of the
word stones being active and days left for Zaden to stop,

(01:50:14):
stop being a human. And yet we go on all of these
fucking side quests. And I understand it's like there
has to be a journey so we can get to the big battle and and
the book. Like, I get that there has to be
a big journey, but it. But they didn't need to be at
best guy there for that long. They didn't.
They should have just immediately gone to the islands

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and that should have been the journey.
Like they just, they keep being like, we have six months and
then it's like, OK, then hurry like I.
Don't think we spent four monthsin fucking battle.
Breathe. Like like get the fuck out of
here. It's just so frustrating and
it's so frustrating. And then, OK, this is new.

(01:50:57):
I'm new. I'm adding this to permanently
to Ready to be Romance round table discuss because I was so
obsessed with Riddick this entire book that I'm adding our
side character spotlight, a nomination for an unforgettable
supporting character who deserves their due.
Because sometimes the best characters aren't the main

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event. Yeah, Riddick was awesome this
whole book. His scenes were the best.
Every time he was there, he had so many like, surprise emotional
moments and like, was so actually deep.
And yeah, I really, really likedhim this book.
So much fun. He was funny, he was present.

(01:51:38):
Yeah. He was weirdly had depth to his
character, but not in like a in a way that yeah, we needed a
whole POV. Like it was just, it was, it
felt natural that we got more ofin this story.
Probably. Also, I like to your Garrick
theory. You're right though, 'cause it's
like, I feel like it was always Garrick, Bodie, Liam, Riddick.

(01:52:03):
So it makes sense that it's like, well, we got more Bodie
and Riddick because Garrick's evil and Liam's dead.
Like it's like that actually is starting to make a lot of sense.
It could be, could be. And I think that Riddick is
actually going to be really powerful.
There was the one scene in Rhiannon's POV where he, like,
freezes a Wyvern. Yeah, because.

(01:52:24):
He can freeze water. Which is interesting because
magic doesn't work on the Wyvernwas why it was so important that
and Darna was able to blame them.
And so it's like, I wonder if he's got some like, and maybe
it's because he's the like, he actually interacted with the I
Rids at one point more than anyone else because he was like
part of him there in his whole like thing.

(01:52:45):
I don't know, could be interesting.
So I feel like there's somethingthere.
I'm excited about Riddick comingback.
Definitely the side character ofthe book for sure. 100% I'm
obsessed and like honestly if wewere the best guy I would have a
crush on him, not Zayden. Well, you know, if he's not gay,
which like, I feel like maybe heis, I feel like.
There him Dean had something newfor.

(01:53:06):
Sure, in the next book. Sure hope so.
OK finally I sequel scoop. This is the T on any upcoming
sequel seasons and the general reception.
The book did extremely well. It sold 2.7 million copies in
its first week. That's like movie numbers.
That's wild. It was the fastest selling book
in 20 years. I think since Harry Potter.

(01:53:28):
That's the first Harry Potter. That's kind of cool, honestly, I
like that. It is cool.
It is cool. Like people are like readings
back like. Like in a.
Big way. And we we found out from Rebecca
on her press tour that the the next book isn't coming till 2026

(01:53:48):
or 2027, which is longer than the gaps that we've had.
But I'm again, so stoked on thiswith a little bit more finesse
and a little bit more time, I feel like.
Yeah, she rushed Iron Flame. It felt like she rushed Iron
Flame and this one was better. She had a bit more time and I'm
excited for her to like, I want the next one to be good.
Like I want these to be good. So I want her to take the time.

(01:54:11):
Me too and the reception was mixed A lot of people didn't
like this book like at least what I'm seeing online.
A lot of people rated it like kind of a three 3.5 again I
actually even though I really struggled with the first half, I
think the second-half actually makes up for it.
I I think it was like as much aswe just shot on it, I had a good

(01:54:34):
time reading it again. The second-half, you and I took
weeks to get through. It took us like a it was like a
month to get through. I had to take like I had to take
a break. I literally like stopped reading
it for a while and did somethingand read something else for a
bit because I was like I can't. I I read at least one, maybe 2
full books in between reading this book.
Yeah, because I just like couldn't.

(01:54:56):
I went on vacation last week andjust like tried to plow through
it and then it got and then it got good and I was like
enjoying. It again and then.
I. Like whipped through it so.
Yeah, so it just was like a bit rough, but yeah, I think I put
it like a four out of five. I like it better than the second
one. I don't know if I'd like to add
as much as 4th 1:00. Totally, totally.
If you had, if you just listenedto me from the start and done

(01:55:18):
more of the islands, I would it would be it'd be the best one.
I know they should have really just jumped to that.
There's no real updates on the TV series, but she has been
talking about it a little bit because they're like they're
still in the really early stagesof production.
Just don't do the TV series until the books are done like we
don't need to I. Know.
I know, I know. Wait, just wait like 5 or 6

(01:55:40):
years and then do the TV series.It's not going to be the end of
the world. 100% but they won't because of capitalism and.
Stupid capitalism. And she said about what she
wants to see in the TV show and she said my only she she is like
she says she's like pretty flexible, which I actually also
appreciate about her. She said my only non negotiable

(01:56:02):
is that Zaden isn't white. And so many guys, it's so funny
on TikTok, like so many people are fan casting people and guys
are literally using it to their advantage for like social media
engagement where they're like posting pictures and the caption
will just be like a dragon emoji.

(01:56:23):
Or like I, there's. This guy, I think he was in
heart stopper, Heartbreaker, whatever.
Like not heart. I don't think it's heart
stopper. I think it's an Australian show
called Heartbreaker or somethinglike that.
He literally was seen at an airport reading Onyx Storm like
it like by a paparazzi. Like so planted like.
Like it's so it's so fucking funny to me.

(01:56:47):
But like also if people are fan casting you like might as well.
Might as well lean into it. Yeah, absolutely.
But like 100% I'm like, nothing is official, nothing, nothing is
set in stone but it's just funnyhow people will jump on this
bandwagon. Yeah, absolutely.
OK, Mason, do you have any finalthoughts on Onyx Storm?

(01:57:11):
Did you like that it was called Onyx Storm like we got the
references to? Yeah, his Onyx.
Eyes his Onyx bracelet. Yeah, it was OK.
I mean, it's not my favorite, but I also don't hate it.
I did. It's always a little rough when
it's like and then the Onyx Storm like it's in like it's

(01:57:34):
like there is, yeah, good job. All right, so that I was like,
eh. But as far as a title goes, I do
like the consistency like 4th wing Iron flame, Onyx storm.
Yeah, it's consistent and I appreciate the consistency.
Yep, I will say that it just, itdoes like further reinforce that
like this is just a a guitar dupe because it's like that also

(01:57:56):
has consistency of the things and it's like clearly that's
what she's going for. But I actually I think I enjoy
these more than a guitar personally.
Yeah, that's fair. I think the the world building
with all of the islands got me really excited for what's going
to come next. So me too.
By the end of it I'm like OK, the world building is actually
really strong. If you like, Rebecca Jaros does
a good job of actually getting that together, which I really

(01:58:18):
appreciate. Me too, I was stoked for iron
flame after 4th wing, I was not stoked for Onyx storm after iron
flame and now I'm back to being.Back to stoked baby Yeah, which
is like. I think good and like honestly
in a in A5 book series that's actually I think kind of Fair

(01:58:39):
there. Like there's always kind of a
dud. Yeah, totally.
And like a second book I think is always a little bit tricky
because you had papaya expectations from the 1st and
it's like, it's always gonna be tough.
Yeah. And I didn't like hate it.
I just like, didn't like it nearly as much as the, like, 4th
wing. And so this feels like a really
good return to form. So I feel like we're moving in
the right direction. Totally, totally and hopefully

(01:58:59):
by bazgayeth is gone for good. Yeah, absolutely.
We'll. See, I people are gonna be like,
you're such a hypocrite. You liked the the the setting
was. If they go back to fucking, if
they go back to class in the 4thbook, I am going to lose my.
They have to. Graduate.
They have to make it to graduation.
Oh my God, for free can. We stop saying that when they

(01:59:21):
are like literally fighting off evil.
No, it's so dumb they don't evengraduate in Harry Potter.
Like come on, we don't need to. Yeah, this is therapeutic.
Thanks so much for going on. Anytime happy to do it we'll.
See you in two years now. Be in two years, yeah.

(01:59:46):
And that's the story of Onyx Storm.
Thank you so much for listening and thank you to Mason for
joining me on today's show. I hope you enjoyed it.
I wanted to let you know that I will be going on a summer break
so I am trying to plan out a fewmore episodes before that.
I have a few chosen but I have afew spots open.
So if you want to choose one of the next books, send me Adm

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Comment on the Spotify episode if you're listening there or you
can leave me a voicemail with the links in the episode.
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resonated with them or a book I should read or a book talk hot
take. OK friends, our next episode is
praise. Until then, happy reading for
Ready to be Romanced. I'm Tori.
Goodbye.

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