March 9, 2025 • 45 mins
Recorded March 9, 2025
Dive into the shocking hypocrisy as Democrats slam Trump’s 2025 moves—like mass deportations and job cuts—while ignoring their own past! Join Jennifer and Jamie on the Reasonable Arguments Podcast as they unpack this double standard with relatable insights, proving history repeats but reactions flip. Subscribe now for more eye-opening political reveals!
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Chapters 00:00 Mass Deportation Plans: A Political Paradox 06:00 Firing Federal Workers: A Historical Perspective 11:51 Boosting Fossil Fuel Drilling: Energy vs. Environment 15:48 Pressuring Ukraine for Peace Deals: A Diplomatic Dilemma 21:21 Slapping Tariffs on Imports: Protecting American Jobs 22:30 Understanding Tariffs and Their Impact on Americans 26:56 Tax Cuts and Education Funding: A Historical Perspective 32:28 U.S. Support for Israel: A Continuation of Tradition 38:43 The Importance of Economic Stability for Global Leadership
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Ever wonder why the same political moves get cheers from one side and jeers from the otherdepending on who's in charge.
Today we're unpacking seven things Trump's doing that Democrats hate yet their own partyback similar plays not too long ago.
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you're ready to get into this Jamie?
The first one we're gonna start with is mass deportation plans.
what's happening now is Trump's launching a massive deportation push for millions.
here illegally, like a countrywide, you're out of here sweep.
He's even eyeing the National Guard to speed it up.
Democrats call it brutal and a family breaker.
let's talk about what's happened before.
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Truman deported over 1 million Mexican workers post World War II via Operation Wetback in1954, with Democrats seeing it as a labor fix.
Clinton signed the 1996 Legal Immigration Reform Act.
doubling border agents and deporting 70,000 in 1997 alone.
Democrats called it tough but fair.
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Obama deported 2.5 million people, 400,000 annually in 2012, and Democrats framed it aslaw and order.
Biden deported 271,000 in 2023 via Title 42, with Democrats saying it's balanced securityand humanity.
why is this confusing?
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Especially to me and other people really don't understand the ins and outs of politics.
It's the same idea, we're booting illegal immigrants out, but Democrats love it underTruman, Clinton, Obama and Biden, yet Trump's version, they lose their minds.
isn't it messed up to send parents back and leave their kids here crying, even if they'vecrossed the border illegally?
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Well, here's the thing.
Nobody's saying that they can't take their children with them.
And that's ultimately kind of what Democrats are trying to say We're going to talk aboutthis a little bit more in our upcoming four-part series about legal and illegal
immigration and how to fix it.
we talked about this with the gold card that Trump talked about where every immigrant
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basically represents 14.
Every immigrant who comes actually brings 13 family members with them.
I don't want to say it's tough love, but it is.
Like it's, they're deciding if they want to be deported without their children.
if they want to take their children with them, they are more than welcome to take theirchildren with them.
this is just a red herring by Democrats.
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I remember hearing that children put in boxes or put in prisons years ago, being separatedfrom their families.
there was some sort of, the whole Obama putting children in cages at the border.
And I think those were mostly unaccompanied children, Biden completely lost 300,000unaccompanied children, even his own department of Homeland security said that those
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children are likely dead, enslaved or sex trafficked
I think Obama did that to try to isolate children to quote, protect them.
And yet when that still was happening under Trump, it was like Trump's this evil person.
it's another just level of
why do you think it is that Truman Obama and Biden kick out tons of people?
But why is Trump the only one that gets heat for it?
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Well, Truman's funny because we only had 163 million people in the United States in 1954.
he kicked out more than one half of 1%, almost three quarters of 1 % of the
people. To put that in perspective today, that would be about two to three million peopleat least today, three million people
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today. population has grown about three
Again, it is just hypocrisy.
Obama kicked out two and a half million people, which Trump's not even getting close tothat number.
Right now, he's just deporting criminals.
And there's a little bit of a shell game we've talked about in the past about the border,people getting deported right at the border, And we know that those border crossings have
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plummeted to less than 10,000 per month.
in December of 2024, just a few short months ago, there was something like 200 300,000border crossings.
when Donald Trump said all we needed was a change in president, we didn't need to changethe law, he was 100 % correct because people got the message that they're not welcome here
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and we're going to deport them if they come here and certainly if they commit crime.
they're not bringing to light everything that happened in the past.
It's just because it's Trump that everybody is up in arms,
But without a doubt, like it's politics, it's funny because all of the things that youmentioned had some cute PR name to them, even the racist Truman 1954 operation wetback,
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I'm sure that that was a positive thing back in 1954, long before you and I were evenborn.
But I'm sure it was offensive to Mexicans then.
But to Americans, they're like, hey, we're going to send a million Mexicans back homebecause they're taking our jobs, Americans bought into it.
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now it's anybody who is against deporting criminals, it just rings hollow.
They don't really have a valid argument.
The next part that we're going to be talking about is firing of federal workers.
Trump's reviving schedule F to fire government workers who slack off, saying it's aboutcleaning up bloated mess.
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Democrats call it a low blow to job security.
They're upset by this.
let's talk about what happened before.
LBJ cut 10,000 plus federal jobs in 1965 to shift funds to great society.
Yes, I
You taught me that on the other one and that he is, that's the one that's very wellendowed, right?
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Yeah, yeah, jumbo, exactly.
he cut these jobs to shift funds to a great society with Democrats praising smartbudgeting.
Carter slashed 20,000 plus jobs via the 1978 Civil Service Reform Act and Democrats saidit streamlined bureaucracy.
Clinton axed over 300,000 jobs
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47,000 from defense in 1993 to reinvent the government with Democrats cheering efficiency.
Biden froze federal hiring in 2021 to review staffing with Democrats calling it a fiscalcaution.
why is this confusing?
Job cuts were a Democrat win under LBJ, Carter and Clinton.
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Biden's freeze is, a little bit different.
But with Trump, everybody's losing their mind.
Well, I wrote about this Friday or Saturday in my sub stack at reasonable arguments where,they started with USAID, which is a slush fund for past administrations, both Republican
and Democrat.
The fact is that it's been overly Democrat because Democrats have been in charge for 12 ofthe last 16 years.
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I encourage people to go to LinkedIn and just type in USAID.
and start looking at the resumes of people who show up, Obama administration, Obamaadministration, Obama, Obama, Obama, almost all these folks are from the Obama
administration and couldn't get jobs out in the real world.
they plan them over at USAID and to supposedly take democracy to the rest of the
world. the way that Trump and Musk started with Doge, slashing USAID was
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particularly offensive to Democrats because it cuts many of their friends and family.
They looked at USAID as a nepotism organization where, hey, if the cousin needs a job,let's put them over at USAID.
in the sub stack I wrote, USAID had the largest growth of any department under Biden,something like 36 % growth in four years.
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they were just, they were just planning people over there and giving them high paying jobson the taxpayer dime, sending them around to first class hotels around the world and
taking pictures with school children saying that it was to promote democracy.
there's better ways to support democracy throughout the world than what we were doing.
But this particular cut at USAID was taken as an offense to all Democrats.
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And it should have because
They got caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
is there a way to, audit, you have the six degrees of Kevin Bacon, how these people areconnected to people within the Democratic Party?
I'm sure you can, I'm sure that will happen, but I'm not sure that there's a whole lot of,other than me going to LinkedIn and searching USAID and finding people.
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Well, not us specifically, but I mean, you have, a tech genius running Doge.
There has to be some kind of program he can create that says, how are they connected?
Yeah.
the truth of the matter is both sides know that that's what USAID was for.
If you were a mid-level staff member for a congressman who died or was beaten or decidedto retire, Democrats and Republicans alike have a job over at USAID to travel the world
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and do their thing.
we could argue whether
Some of those programs are good, we've argued it before, but what we're talking about hereis why the hypocrisy of Democrats is apparent when they don't want to see government
workers cut at all.
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And yet we know when corporations have a tough time, they lay off about 18 and a halfpercent of their employees.
You take USAID out of it.
We're not even close to laying off 18 and a half percent employees.
And yet when Democrats cut, like you suggested, every Democrat administration previouslyhas at some level either frozen or cut government employees before.
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Now Obama grew it, Biden grew it.
Those two especially ended up growing government employees.
But even Obama in 2009 and 10, because he was worried about his reelection and themidterms and all those sorts of things, I think he
froze hiring in the federal government.
then it exploded over his last six years.
they don't want to see government cut.
part of the whole thing is that when Biden said, I created many jobs, he created moregovernment jobs.
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when you have these jobs report, it includes government jobs.
And that's the funny thing.
last month, they're like, Trump missed his jobs number.
They expected for 160,000 jobs to be created in February and 151,000 were created, came9,000 jobs short.
any other headline would have been oh, Biden was within the margin of error, But no, Trumpmissed the jobs mark.
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what's lost in the details is that 90 % of jobs created were private sector jobs.
When Biden had these reports, 30 % were...
government jobs.
Like when he was growing, it was like, we're in trouble.
Let's deficit spend.
Let's hire people into government.
And it'll make it look like our economy is doing better than it is, but it's doing it onthe back of American workers and on American taxpayers.
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it truly just depends on who's doing the firing of who's gonna be mad that day.
apparently from what your historical perspective that you've brought forward, yes.
next we're gonna talk about boosting fossil fuel drilling.
Trump is opening more land for oil and gas drilling to keep fuel cheap and America energystrong.
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Democrats say it's a planet killer and ignores climate change.
let's talk about what happened before.
JFK pushed oil production tax breaks and Democrats saw it as a pro-growth.
Clinton expanded Gulf of Mexico drilling, 1,000 plus new leases in 1995, with Democratscalling in an economic win.
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Obama approved 1,500 plus offshore leases in 2012, hitting top oil producer status by2014, and Democrats bragged about energy independence.
Biden kept oil leases flowing like 2,000 plus in 2022 on public lands, despite climategoals, with Democrats defending it as practical.
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drilling was a flex for JFK, Clinton Obama and Biden, but now with Trump, it's completelywrong.
Oh yeah, he's destroying the earth, it's horrible, but we know, the United States economyis based upon energy.
if you want to have a good economy and it's still coal, oil, or nuclear, like, and tocreate, we're going to need 30 % more electricity added to our grid in the next four
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years.
just to run AI alone.
Forget about electric vehicles, forget about increased anything else, 30 % moreelectricity to our grid to run AI alone.
we're not going to get there through solar, we're not going to get there through windtechnology.
We know that those things are almost counterproductive.
Solar, not as much as wind, but wind has been counterproductive to the environment, tonature, to birds, it's just...
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cost effective, it costs more to keep these things up than the electricity they produce.
solar's coming along, but it's still not going to replace.
You can go up in North Florida and they have hundreds and hundreds, probably thousands ofacres of solar to run, a couple hundred houses, to add to the grid.
it's not super efficient yet.
And it's going to, for the next decade at least, going to be oil, coal, and nuclear.
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that we're going to need to produce this extra electricity just for AI.
is climate control going to change because of what Trump is doing?
And does the drilling really help with gas prices for the American people?
I've always thought climate change, global warming, back when we were kids, it was globalcooling.
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it's all, positioning to try to help their friends,
back up a second.
What was happening with climate cooling?
remember when Niagara Falls froze over in like 1975 or 1976, they talked about, anupcoming ice age, right?
And gosh, we're, these winters are cold that, we're gonna face an ice age, And then itwent into global warming.
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We have to get rid of hairspray, we have to get, we have to change our air conditioningfreon.
every step of the way, you have to follow the money.
Are those good things to do?
Sure.
Are we going to destroy the climate?
I still think most climate change was probably due to nuclear testing back in the 40s and50s.
it takes a long time for some negative impacts to take place.
And Donald Trump even said today in an interview that, everyone talks about the,
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the threat of climate change and yet the biggest biggest threat to humanity is stillnuclear weapons and nobody ever talks about that.
We're not gonna have climate change destroy us tomorrow They're talking about a thousandyears from today, we're over a hundred years or the oceans gonna rise a quarter of an inch
or an eighth of an inch or whatever and how that is horrible and it very well may be butit's
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not the same as a nuclear war.
we have bigger problems, in other words.
And we have to face those problems.
Next, we're going to talk about pressuring Ukraine for peace deals.
Trump is cutting Ukraine's military aid and pushing them to deal with Russia, even if itmeans losing land.
Democrats say it's abandoning an ally to Putin.
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let's talk about what happened before.
Truman backed the 1947 UN-Palestine partition land, land for peace, with Democrats callingit pragmatic.
Carter pushed Egypt-Israel talks in 1978, Camp David,
pressuring concessions and Democrats praised peace over pride.
Clinton brokered the 1995 Dayton Accords for Bosnia, giving up territory to end war withDemocrats hailing it as a lifesaver.
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Biden urged Israel and Israel-Lebanon ceasefire talks in 2024 with Democrats backingdiplomacy.
Peace deals were heroic under Truman, Carter and Clinton, but they're weak with Trump.
why should Ukraine have to give up land just because Trump wants war over fast?
Well, I don't know that, that's necessarily where we're at is the deal that Russia gets tokeep the land that they've taken over just because the deal's not done yet, I think Donald
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Trump, during the, quote, Oval Office blow up with Zelensky, prior to that, he's like,listen, I'm the guy who has to be tough on both of them, meaning both Putin and Zelensky.
And then everyone's because of the blow up, they're like, Trump is, in the pocket of Putinor he's a Russian asset, which nothing more ridiculous could be even put into the public
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domain.
does it end up getting to a place where Russia keeps some of that land?
I, don't like the precedent that these Democrats set, that's the truth of the matter isthat.
when you're making a deal for peace, have to get, , both sides have to walk away, probablya little upset, not upset enough to continue the war.
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I think Trump is trying to guide both parties.
Donald Trump does these things in the public eye more he's more transparent than anypresident in our lifetime.
And certainly in the media age of television.
people are seeing the sausage being made and quite frankly, a lot of people just don'tlike it, Like they'd rather be naive to it.
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And Donald Trump's like, I'm going to do out from the American people.
He's having daily press conferences.
He's, signing things in the Oval Office and talking to reporters for an hour or morehimself, not his press secretary.
he's a different president.
And there's no question that he wants peace.
There's no question that he feels like he has to be tough on both Zelensky and Putin.
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And we'll see what type of negotiations he brings to the table and what kind of deal ismade.
you having the background in politics like you do with the transparency, do you likeseeing everything that's going on behind the scenes or would you rather read about a
little bit here and there and then see the outcome?
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I think things have gotten bad that the American people have gotten to a point where amajority of people, plurality of people, not a majority, a plurality of people did not
believe the 2020 election was conducted in a free, fair, and transparent manner.
And that's a problem when you have 40-something percent of Americans saying, don't trustour government.
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mean, that's, trust our own government.
Forget about Russia and Ukraine.
They don't trust our own Department of Justice.
And that's a real problem.
it's a double-edged sword.
Sometimes you would think like, hey, maybe this is a better discussion to have in privateversus out in front of all the cameras.
But I think things got so bad and Obama and Biden changed our country in a negative way sopoorly that the trust for government is so low that Donald Trump is probably doing the
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right thing by being as transparent.
even though it may create some fires that he could possibly avoid by having thesediscussions in smoke-filled rooms.
Yeah, I would agree.
I love the transparency.
I'm a transparent person, tell me how it is, let me see how it works, and let me get mytwo cents on it or whatever.
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I love seeing it happen, but I can see where more sensitive people would be offended by
things.
I don't think offended is the right word.
just think that, people, it gives more fodder for, everybody for both sides to say this,that, or the other thing, or they think that there's more going on than there is, or
they're reading into it.
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everybody read into this Zelensky meeting, that, Trump is pro Russia.
And that's not what happened.
If you watch that whole thing or read the transcript, that's not what happened in thatmeeting.
was that there was an economic deal that was made about minerals and Zelensky tried torenegotiate that deal to include military strength.
And the mineral deal had nothing to do with the military.
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And Trump, I think, acted appropriately.
Whether you want to say he could have had a little bit more softer gloves with it, youcould make that point, but who cares?
Like at the end of the day, Democrats, you're proving here through your questions andthrough historical record, Democrats were going to criticize Trump no matter what.
I'd rather them criticize Donald Trump for not making an economic deal rather than himgetting bullied into a military problem.
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And that's where the line in the sand at Donald Trump, had with Zelensky in the OvalOffice was, we're not going to let this economic deal turn into a military deal.
The next thing we're talking about is slapping tariffs on imports.
Trump's taxing imports from places like China and Mexico to save us jobs.
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Democrats say it'll jack up prices on everyday stuff.
let's talk about what happened before.
Truman raised wool tariffs to 50 % in 1951 with Democrats backing farmers.
JFK slapped the 25 % tariff on steel imports in 1962.
And Democrats called it a workers win.
LBJ kept textile tariffs at 20 % in 1965 to shield jobs with Democrats nodding along.
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Biden kept Trump's 25 % steel tariffs from 2018, adding 10 % on some imports in 2022, withDemocrats saying it protected industry.
tariffs were pro worker for Truman, JFK, LBJ and Biden.
But now with Trump, it's obviously, people are up in arms.
how
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tariffs on tires, every Democrat president has used tariffs as either a negotiation toollike Trump is or whatever.
Go ahead, ask your question.
I interrupted you.
I got ahead of myself.
are Americans supposed to afford groceries if Trump's tariffs make everything cost more?
the point here is that we have been funding the economies of the world through deficitspending.
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And we are more than $36 trillion in debt.
we go two trillion in debt every single year.
One trillion of that is just servicing the debt.
You cannot run your household that way.
We can't run our household running that type of debt,
What we have done is we've allowed these other countries to stymie American industrythrough tariffs, protecting their companies while allowing them to have free trade status
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with us.
it is important that these are reciprocal tariffs, not retribution.
if you are tariffing our products at 10%, we're going to tariff your products at 10%.
if you don't want tariffs on your products, take the tariffs away from our products.
It's that simple.
and for far too long, we have allowed countries to take advantage of us and we've acted astheir doormat.
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your question.
level, we need to bring it down to the American people.
are these tariffs going to affect groceries and how do we get groceries to be cheaper?
it depends on the actions of these other countries.
If South Africa, which has, their largest export of food is to the United States, if theywant to continue to tariff up our products at what they are, we don't tariff up their
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agriculture products at all.
yet any product that goes into South Africa is tariffed And that's stopping.
if South Africa then decides to change their way of raising money off of the Americanpeople, then it won't affect food prices at all.
But it is likely to affect some food prices that are, from farms that are not growndomestically.
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what do you think is the best way to help Americans understand the importance of tariffsand the pros or cons of them, whatever it may be, obviously Trump is not doing that.
He's not getting the message out to make American people understand why tariffs areimportant.
just in six weeks, Donald Trump has negotiated $2 trillion worth of corporate investmentin America just through the threat of tariffs, just through the threat.
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are Americans gonna feel the brunt of this maybe until fall?
Maybe, but the truth of the matter is,
But explain what that corporate investment means.
that corporate investment means that you're going to have a new Honda plant in Indiana.
You're going to have new companies come in from places like Vietnam because they don'twant to face the tariffs.
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that then provides jobs to build the manufacturing facilities.
Let's call it manufacturing or whatever we do.
Apple bringing $500 million worth of investment into Arizona to build the chips foriPhones here, Instead of building those overseas.
by having these tariffs, even if it does cost more, I think Americans have to look at itlike I'm helping my neighbor have a job versus having bananas at, 39 cents a pound instead
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of 49 cents, paying that extra 10 cents per pound is helping my neighbor have a job inAmerica versus somebody having a job in South Africa or South America or, Asia.
I think that's where people will see it.
that does take a little bit of time to generate within the economy.
It could, depending on how other countries decide to handle these tariffs, not affectAmerican consumers at all for the most part, because countries could say, what, we're
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going to go to the negotiation table and we're going to say, we're, we maybe we're taxingyou at 20%, but we really need to drop it to five.
And, we drop ours to five, we drop yours to five.
Yeah, well, 5 % is not going to, cripple anybody.
It's these 20, 25%.
we've already heard Honda and Apple and others, talk about at least $2 trillion worth ofinvestment in the United States economy, hiring workers here, which includes people who
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are in the construction industry or telecommunications industry or buying iPhones or anyof those things.
that it takes to make a company work.
All those are going to be American jobs in America that are being created.
let's talk about pushing tax cuts and scaling back education.
Trump's rushing to extend the 2017 tax cuts which expire at the end of 2025 and add newones like the tax on tips.
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While freezing the Department of Education funds aiming to gut it and let states take itover.
Democrats hate both saying tax cuts favor the rich and education cuts hurt kids.
let's talk about what happened before.
JFK slashed corporate taxes from 52 % to 47 % in 1962 with Democrats cheering growth.
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Carter cut capital gains taxes from 49 % to 28 % in 1978 and Democrats saw it as jobfriendly.
Clinton trimmed education department funds like 500 million from vocational programs in1996 and Democrats called it streamlining.
Also cut capital gains from 20 % in 1997.
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Obama extended Bush's tax cuts in 2010, top rate at 35 % with Democrats saying it savedthe economy.
Biden kept Trump's tax cuts intact of 37 % top rate while adding child tax credits in 2021with Democrats touting family relief.
tax cuts and education terms were fine under all of the Democrat administrations.
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Trump's obviously evil for,
doing the tax cuts and then also getting rid of the education department.
the biggest question that I hear all the time is why give rich folks tax breaks and cutschool funds when regular families are struggling?
first of all, the Department of Education is not school funds.
School funds come from the state level, not the federal level.
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the Department of Education, let's get that one out of the way first, is a complianceagency, not an education agency.
And you would think that Democrats would want to lean into this because Donald Trump hasalready used the Department of Education as a compliance agency, saying
If you have DEI in your education in your state, you will lose federal funding.
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you would think Democrats would take this opportunity to take, an arrow out of DonaldTrump's quiver for the next four years by eliminating the department of education, because
if they keep it, Donald Trump's still going to do the same thing Democrats did, which wasuse it as a compliance agency, against states.
And that's the wrong thing to do.
Donald Trump is saying that it is the wrong thing to do.
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That's why we need to get rid of it.
As I've said before, I believe the money should follow the child.
And people who disagree with that are either pro-bloated, school board administrations orpro-union, Because those are the only two things you're defending if you don't want the
money to follow the child.
Now, they're...
specifically say what you mean by that?
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if we're spending $10,000 a year per child in Florida to educate K through 12, and I wantmy child to go to either a different public school or a private school, then that $10,000
goes to the other school, public school, or the private school that I want to take mychild to.
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And children should not be stuck in failing schools because of their geography.
And that's what we've had in our country since the beginning of time is that if you'restuck in a low socioeconomic neighborhood, you have less education opportunities than
people in more affluent areas.
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And that's unfair to the child, it's unfair to parents, and I believe in giving parentsthe choice to take their children where they want.
And that's...
I don't understand why anybody would be against that unless they're for bloatedadministrations or just they're trying to protect teachers unions, which is wrong,
teachers unions aren't built for taking care of children before taking care of teachers.
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I'm not saying that teachers out there don't care about their students, but a teachersunion by its very nature is to protect.
teachers, not students, not to protect education, not to protect any of that.
it's, that's part of the issue here.
The second part of your question was, why do rich folks get tax breaks, right?
, I don't know that despite what Democrats say,
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lowering taxes or eliminating taxes on Social Security, lowering taxes on overtime,lowering or eliminating taxes on overtime, eliminating taxes on tips is not tax breaks for
the rich.
that's simply a talking point that Democrats have been able to use for more than ageneration to try to pit Americans against one another to keep their own political power.
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and it's wrong and they should stop doing it and should be intellectually honest with theAmerican people and they should take a stand on whether or not they support eliminating
taxes on social security, on tips and on overtime.
Because Democrats refuse to answer that question.
But they're like, we're against the tax breaks for the rich.
Well, no, answer what's going on right now.
What's going on right now is these are the tax breaks we're talking about right now.
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And take a stance there, but they don't want to because they want to claim they're forAmerican workers.
And yet the American workers this last election, know darn good.
Well, they're not for American workers.
They're for taking American workers' tax dollars and giving them to people who are notworking to secure votes.
And that's the main hypocrisy of the Democratic Party.
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The next topic we're going to talk about, which is big today is boosting support forIsrael.
Trump's ramping up support for Israel big time.
Think more military aid, like 26 billion package he's pushing in early 2025, and maybemoving more embassy staff to Jerusalem.
Democrats are mad saying it ignores Palestinians and fuels conflict.
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let's talk about what happened before.
Truman recognized Israel in 1948 within 11 minutes with Democrats cheering moral duty.
JFK sold Hawk missiles in 1962, first big arms deal and Democrats called it a specialrelationship.
LBJ sent Phantom jets in 1968 post six day war with Democrats backing Israel's strength.
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Carter gave three billion annual aid via Camp David in 1978 and Democrats hailed peacebuilding.
Clinton upped aid to 3.1 billion yearly by 1998 with Democrats proud of the Alliance.
Obama signed a 38 billion aid deal in 2016 and Democrats touted historic security support.
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Biden pushed 14.3 billion extra aid in 2024 after Hamas attack
with Democrats, mostly backing his ironclad stance.
Democrats from Truman to Biden poured aid in arms into Israel, but of course Trump's extraboost to bridge is too far for
them. does piling more money and guns into Israel just make peace with Palestinians
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I think you did a good job there of laying out that Israel has been a generational allyfor the United States and we need to maintain it.
Every president, regardless of naysayers, has supported Israel and Donald Trump is goingto continue to support Israel.
Israel is a sovereign nation.
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They have the right to protect themselves and we know that Hamas,
had these heinous acts against civilians and they still hold hostages, they're holdingremains of dead hostages and it needs to end.
part of the problem with the Democratic Party is that they now have members of Congresswho will stand up and proudly say they're more allegiance to other countries.
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And I don't know how a member of Congress
is allowed to vote, number one.
If you're more allegiant to another country than the United States, you shouldn't beallowed to vote.
How you're able to become a member of Congress saying that you are more allegiant toanother country is treasonous.
And they certainly shouldn't be able to serve as a member of Congress.
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I think debit...
Yes, you have the congresswoman from Michigan in particular who has said she's moreallegiance to Somalia.
And there's another one, the names are going to escape me right this second, but there'stwo women in the Democratic caucus who claim they're more allegiance to other countries.
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the Democrats are having a problem
being pro-American, like within their own caucus, they have people who are for othercountries over America, elected officials in the US House of Representatives.
And they are grappling with how do they even present a pro-American stance, much less apro-Israel or pro-Palestinian.
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And we know that Democrats have supported the Palestinian protests on college campuses,much that Jewish
Kids cannot go to school, cannot attend classes.
They're harassed just endlessly.
And that's on American soil.
Can you imagine what's happening over on other soil?
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I'm glad that Donald Trump is following in the footsteps of all those presidents, everysingle president.
Since Truman...
no different.
It's just more of the same, just a different time.
here's the thing.
Donald Trump has a lot of bravado and people don't like it.
he says, I'm have a Trump Hotel in Gaza.
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Well, whether he meant that or not, I don't know.
Or whether he was just trying to stir the pot, I'm not sure.
he very well could be 100 % serious about that.
But he also could have been, just trying to goad the opposition.
I imagine people in the room when he said it aren't a hundred percent sure one way or theother.
he doesn't help himself from a public relations angle.
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That's why, I've said that, people voted for Donald Trump because he leads us through firedespite the fires he sets.
And that's a perfect example
that these folks who want to cut aid to Israel want to promote aid to Ukraine.
they're hypocritical in this very moment about two different theaters and their argumentsring hollow.
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we're trying to negotiate an end to both of these wars that were started under Biden
I think every day that goes by, the American people see that Biden, and by extensionObama, left the world in a worse place than When they got the keys to the White House,
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it's like renters, and now the electricity's been turned off and there's pizza boxes allover the floor.
And they've moved out.
And now we have to come in and clean up the mess before we can straighten some otherthings out.
it is a mess, whether it's domestic or foreign.
And at some point, Barack Obama railed against George W.
Bush through his entire eight years as president, And at some point, I think we have to,maybe not six weeks, but after six months, it's kind of like, okay, did Trump's things
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work or not?
it's going to take a while turn the ship around.
I think it's fair to continually criticize the Biden administration at some point.
the buck has to stop with the decisions that are being made today.
I think that we're making positive movement.
But Democrats are standing in the way every way they can, whether that's from a politicalstandpoint or whether it's from a public relations or whether it's legal.
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they're trying to file lawsuits to stop every single thing that Donald Trump is doing.
And I don't, think at the end of the day, politically, that does not work out well forDemocrats.
Well, that's all I have today.
I'm going to leave with this question the next time you hear someone cheering orcomplaining about politics, maybe ask, would they say the same thing if their team was
doing the exact same thing?
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you did a great job researching all this.
thank you for that.
You, I know you put a lot of time and effort into it and you kind of came up with thisidea day or two ago and I was like, let's run with it.
And here we are seven major topics that Donald Trump is dealing with.
And what were your thoughts as you were researching it?
Cause I know that there were times where you thought that, it was.
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The criticisms were fair,
the whole purpose of this show is to help people understand politics in a relatable way.
And because that's something that I I really never had until I met you, quite honestly.
I take a lot of I take a lot of
the topics that we talk about, from social media.
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I see friends, just anybody who's on social media that are complaining about certainthings.
And that's where it fuels me to be able to like, okay, well, let's talk about this.
And let's talk about it in a realistic manner to see, was this done before?
How did people react to it?
Or is this something brand new that people are just freaking out about?
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that's my basis and that's what I want to do.
My goal is to help people understand things that Trump are doing today is not the firsttime it's ever been done in history.
Don't follow what the Democrats are saying, all of the gloom and doom and he's killing thecountry and all of that because it's probably been done before and we've survived.
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I just really want to make this platform easy for people to hear the topics, to understandthem, to ask questions if they want to and not feel weird about it.
quite honestly, after seeing this, it's really just mind blowing that you can have historyrepeating itself but have the same people react completely different.
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And it's just really
disheartening for me
that kind of begs the question, do you think that Donald Trump is wrong or do you think heshould change his approach or do you think it's public relations or was Donald Trump right
when he said in his address to Congress that no matter what he does, he'll never getDemocrats to clap?
I think that's exactly it.
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You have people in your life that no matter what they do, you don't like them, and you'renever going to accept what they say or do.
It's never gonna change anything.
They could save you from your burning house, but it wouldn't matter.
And I think that's exactly how people see Trump.
Like you said, he has bravado.
He toots his own horn.
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He, lets people know everything that he's doing and good, bad or ugly, it is the way thatit is.
But I know for me that I felt safest the four years that he was in office and I feel safetoday.
And I just, I don't think you're ever going to please everybody all the time.
It's just impossible.
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Well, it's one of the life lessons.
, I've always said I'm going to write this book about parenting.
And one of the parenting lessons, my dad, the minister, the chaplain gave me, I was mad atsome kid at school and I just don't like him.
And I was raised, you oh, you're supposed to love everybody.
And dad just looked down.
He's like, well, Jamie, we don't have to like everybody, but we do have to love them.
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that was kind of a life lesson that I've tried to take
throughout my career is somebody's gonna rub you the wrong way and it's just, it is whatit is, but you try to still respect them thank you for your comments because that's the
one thing I think we try to do on this show and try to do on social media is whether it'sYouTube, Substack or wherever we are.
is we try to be respectful of other people's views.
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I always like to say until I can't.
Once you attack me and start calling me names, I'm gonna defend myself.
it's interesting for me because Trump was the first person that I voted for and yes, hewas, he was Republican.
Did I have my, Republican, , shoes planted in cement?
No, I didn't.
And, when it came down, learning more after spending these few years with you, , I reallywent into the last election with open mind and open heart.
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I think it's just very important that everybody understands that, yes, we have differingviews.
I think everybody's goal is the same.
Hopefully everybody's goal is the same.
We just all may go about it different ways.
I think that's just what we have to sit back relax and see what happens and we'll justkeep breaking it down for the next four years and See where we land.
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for us to be a leader in the world that we have to get our own finances in order.
can no longer afford to deficit spend to support wars.
We can no longer afford to deficit spend to support other people importing to us, but themnot accepting our imports.
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We're deficit spending on these things.
to make everybody be our friend.
And it's great if you have unlimited amounts of money.
And the truth of the matter is we don't.
I had a call with a podcast across the pond and we had this very discussion and they wereflabbergasted.
They had no idea that Americans were going $2 trillion in debt every year.
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And they were like, how can you do that?
I was like, that's the problem.
We can't.
And yet everybody sitting there saying, we're abandoning, know, like, well, for us to be atrue leader of the world, we have to be an economic powerhouse.
For us to be an economic powerhouse, we can't be $36 trillion in debt.
I think people are starting to realize that, the debt's been going on for a long time.
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We haven't had a balanced budget since 2001.
there's plenty of blame to go around.
both political parties, all political leaders.
the hard truth is we now have a political leader who's trying to rein that in.
And we need to get behind that in a bipartisan way to support economic strength in Americaor America will cease to exist in the form we know it today.
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Ever wonder why the same political moves get cheers from one side and jeers from the otherdepending on who's in charge.
Today we're unpacking seven things Trump's doing that Democrats hate yet their own partyback similar plays not too long ago.
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you're ready to get into this Jamie?
The first one we're gonna start with is mass deportation plans.
what's happening now is Trump's launching a massive deportation push for millions.
here illegally, like a countrywide, you're out of here sweep.
He's even eyeing the National Guard to speed it up.
Democrats call it brutal and a family breaker.
let's talk about what's happened before.
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Truman deported over 1 million Mexican workers post World War II via Operation Wetback in1954, with Democrats seeing it as a labor fix.
Clinton signed the 1996 Legal Immigration Reform Act.
doubling border agents and deporting 70,000 in 1997 alone.
Democrats called it tough but fair.
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Obama deported 2.5 million people, 400,000 annually in 2012, and Democrats framed it aslaw and order.
Biden deported 271,000 in 2023 via Title 42, with Democrats saying it's balanced securityand humanity.
why is this confusing?
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Especially to me and other people really don't understand the ins and outs of politics.
It's the same idea, we're booting illegal immigrants out, but Democrats love it underTruman, Clinton, Obama and Biden, yet Trump's version, they lose their minds.
isn't it messed up to send parents back and leave their kids here crying, even if they'vecrossed the border illegally?
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Well, here's the thing.
Nobody's saying that they can't take their children with them.
And that's ultimately kind of what Democrats are trying to say We're going to talk aboutthis a little bit more in our upcoming four-part series about legal and illegal
immigration and how to fix it.
we talked about this with the gold card that Trump talked about where every immigrant
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basically represents 14.
Every immigrant who comes actually brings 13 family members with them.
I don't want to say it's tough love, but it is.
Like it's, they're deciding if they want to be deported without their children.
if they want to take their children with them, they are more than welcome to take theirchildren with them.
this is just a red herring by Democrats.
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I remember hearing that children put in boxes or put in prisons years ago, being separatedfrom their families.
there was some sort of, the whole Obama putting children in cages at the border.
And I think those were mostly unaccompanied children, Biden completely lost 300,000unaccompanied children, even his own department of Homeland security said that those
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children are likely dead, enslaved or sex trafficked
I think Obama did that to try to isolate children to quote, protect them.
And yet when that still was happening under Trump, it was like Trump's this evil person.
it's another just level of
why do you think it is that Truman Obama and Biden kick out tons of people?
But why is Trump the only one that gets heat for it?
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Well, Truman's funny because we only had 163 million people in the United States in 1954.
he kicked out more than one half of 1%, almost three quarters of 1 % of the
people. To put that in perspective today, that would be about two to three million peopleat least today, three million people
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today. population has grown about three
Again, it is just hypocrisy.
Obama kicked out two and a half million people, which Trump's not even getting close tothat number.
Right now, he's just deporting criminals.
And there's a little bit of a shell game we've talked about in the past about the border,people getting deported right at the border, And we know that those border crossings have
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plummeted to less than 10,000 per month.
in December of 2024, just a few short months ago, there was something like 200 300,000border crossings.
when Donald Trump said all we needed was a change in president, we didn't need to changethe law, he was 100 % correct because people got the message that they're not welcome here
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and we're going to deport them if they come here and certainly if they commit crime.
they're not bringing to light everything that happened in the past.
It's just because it's Trump that everybody is up in arms,
But without a doubt, like it's politics, it's funny because all of the things that youmentioned had some cute PR name to them, even the racist Truman 1954 operation wetback,
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I'm sure that that was a positive thing back in 1954, long before you and I were evenborn.
But I'm sure it was offensive to Mexicans then.
But to Americans, they're like, hey, we're going to send a million Mexicans back homebecause they're taking our jobs, Americans bought into it.
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now it's anybody who is against deporting criminals, it just rings hollow.
They don't really have a valid argument.
The next part that we're going to be talking about is firing of federal workers.
Trump's reviving schedule F to fire government workers who slack off, saying it's aboutcleaning up bloated mess.
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Democrats call it a low blow to job security.
They're upset by this.
let's talk about what happened before.
LBJ cut 10,000 plus federal jobs in 1965 to shift funds to great society.
Yes, I
You taught me that on the other one and that he is, that's the one that's very wellendowed, right?
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Yeah, yeah, jumbo, exactly.
he cut these jobs to shift funds to a great society with Democrats praising smartbudgeting.
Carter slashed 20,000 plus jobs via the 1978 Civil Service Reform Act and Democrats saidit streamlined bureaucracy.
Clinton axed over 300,000 jobs
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47,000 from defense in 1993 to reinvent the government with Democrats cheering efficiency.
Biden froze federal hiring in 2021 to review staffing with Democrats calling it a fiscalcaution.
why is this confusing?
Job cuts were a Democrat win under LBJ, Carter and Clinton.
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Biden's freeze is, a little bit different.
But with Trump, everybody's losing their mind.
Well, I wrote about this Friday or Saturday in my sub stack at reasonable arguments where,they started with USAID, which is a slush fund for past administrations, both Republican
and Democrat.
The fact is that it's been overly Democrat because Democrats have been in charge for 12 ofthe last 16 years.
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I encourage people to go to LinkedIn and just type in USAID.
and start looking at the resumes of people who show up, Obama administration, Obamaadministration, Obama, Obama, Obama, almost all these folks are from the Obama
administration and couldn't get jobs out in the real world.
they plan them over at USAID and to supposedly take democracy to the rest of the
world. the way that Trump and Musk started with Doge, slashing USAID was
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particularly offensive to Democrats because it cuts many of their friends and family.
They looked at USAID as a nepotism organization where, hey, if the cousin needs a job,let's put them over at USAID.
in the sub stack I wrote, USAID had the largest growth of any department under Biden,something like 36 % growth in four years.
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they were just, they were just planning people over there and giving them high paying jobson the taxpayer dime, sending them around to first class hotels around the world and
taking pictures with school children saying that it was to promote democracy.
there's better ways to support democracy throughout the world than what we were doing.
But this particular cut at USAID was taken as an offense to all Democrats.
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And it should have because
They got caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
is there a way to, audit, you have the six degrees of Kevin Bacon, how these people areconnected to people within the Democratic Party?
I'm sure you can, I'm sure that will happen, but I'm not sure that there's a whole lot of,other than me going to LinkedIn and searching USAID and finding people.
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Well, not us specifically, but I mean, you have, a tech genius running Doge.
There has to be some kind of program he can create that says, how are they connected?
Yeah.
the truth of the matter is both sides know that that's what USAID was for.
If you were a mid-level staff member for a congressman who died or was beaten or decidedto retire, Democrats and Republicans alike have a job over at USAID to travel the world
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and do their thing.
we could argue whether
Some of those programs are good, we've argued it before, but what we're talking about hereis why the hypocrisy of Democrats is apparent when they don't want to see government
workers cut at all.
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And yet we know when corporations have a tough time, they lay off about 18 and a halfpercent of their employees.
You take USAID out of it.
We're not even close to laying off 18 and a half percent employees.
And yet when Democrats cut, like you suggested, every Democrat administration previouslyhas at some level either frozen or cut government employees before.
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Now Obama grew it, Biden grew it.
Those two especially ended up growing government employees.
But even Obama in 2009 and 10, because he was worried about his reelection and themidterms and all those sorts of things, I think he
froze hiring in the federal government.
then it exploded over his last six years.
they don't want to see government cut.
part of the whole thing is that when Biden said, I created many jobs, he created moregovernment jobs.
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when you have these jobs report, it includes government jobs.
And that's the funny thing.
last month, they're like, Trump missed his jobs number.
They expected for 160,000 jobs to be created in February and 151,000 were created, came9,000 jobs short.
any other headline would have been oh, Biden was within the margin of error, But no, Trumpmissed the jobs mark.
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what's lost in the details is that 90 % of jobs created were private sector jobs.
When Biden had these reports, 30 % were...
government jobs.
Like when he was growing, it was like, we're in trouble.
Let's deficit spend.
Let's hire people into government.
And it'll make it look like our economy is doing better than it is, but it's doing it onthe back of American workers and on American taxpayers.
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it truly just depends on who's doing the firing of who's gonna be mad that day.
apparently from what your historical perspective that you've brought forward, yes.
next we're gonna talk about boosting fossil fuel drilling.
Trump is opening more land for oil and gas drilling to keep fuel cheap and America energystrong.
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Democrats say it's a planet killer and ignores climate change.
let's talk about what happened before.
JFK pushed oil production tax breaks and Democrats saw it as a pro-growth.
Clinton expanded Gulf of Mexico drilling, 1,000 plus new leases in 1995, with Democratscalling in an economic win.
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Obama approved 1,500 plus offshore leases in 2012, hitting top oil producer status by2014, and Democrats bragged about energy independence.
Biden kept oil leases flowing like 2,000 plus in 2022 on public lands, despite climategoals, with Democrats defending it as practical.
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drilling was a flex for JFK, Clinton Obama and Biden, but now with Trump, it's completelywrong.
Oh yeah, he's destroying the earth, it's horrible, but we know, the United States economyis based upon energy.
if you want to have a good economy and it's still coal, oil, or nuclear, like, and tocreate, we're going to need 30 % more electricity added to our grid in the next four
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years.
just to run AI alone.
Forget about electric vehicles, forget about increased anything else, 30 % moreelectricity to our grid to run AI alone.
we're not going to get there through solar, we're not going to get there through windtechnology.
We know that those things are almost counterproductive.
Solar, not as much as wind, but wind has been counterproductive to the environment, tonature, to birds, it's just...
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cost effective, it costs more to keep these things up than the electricity they produce.
solar's coming along, but it's still not going to replace.
You can go up in North Florida and they have hundreds and hundreds, probably thousands ofacres of solar to run, a couple hundred houses, to add to the grid.
it's not super efficient yet.
And it's going to, for the next decade at least, going to be oil, coal, and nuclear.
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that we're going to need to produce this extra electricity just for AI.
is climate control going to change because of what Trump is doing?
And does the drilling really help with gas prices for the American people?
I've always thought climate change, global warming, back when we were kids, it was globalcooling.
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it's all, positioning to try to help their friends,
back up a second.
What was happening with climate cooling?
remember when Niagara Falls froze over in like 1975 or 1976, they talked about, anupcoming ice age, right?
And gosh, we're, these winters are cold that, we're gonna face an ice age, And then itwent into global warming.
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We have to get rid of hairspray, we have to get, we have to change our air conditioningfreon.
every step of the way, you have to follow the money.
Are those good things to do?
Sure.
Are we going to destroy the climate?
I still think most climate change was probably due to nuclear testing back in the 40s and50s.
it takes a long time for some negative impacts to take place.
And Donald Trump even said today in an interview that, everyone talks about the,
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the threat of climate change and yet the biggest biggest threat to humanity is stillnuclear weapons and nobody ever talks about that.
We're not gonna have climate change destroy us tomorrow They're talking about a thousandyears from today, we're over a hundred years or the oceans gonna rise a quarter of an inch
or an eighth of an inch or whatever and how that is horrible and it very well may be butit's
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not the same as a nuclear war.
we have bigger problems, in other words.
And we have to face those problems.
Next, we're going to talk about pressuring Ukraine for peace deals.
Trump is cutting Ukraine's military aid and pushing them to deal with Russia, even if itmeans losing land.
Democrats say it's abandoning an ally to Putin.
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let's talk about what happened before.
Truman backed the 1947 UN-Palestine partition land, land for peace, with Democrats callingit pragmatic.
Carter pushed Egypt-Israel talks in 1978, Camp David,
pressuring concessions and Democrats praised peace over pride.
Clinton brokered the 1995 Dayton Accords for Bosnia, giving up territory to end war withDemocrats hailing it as a lifesaver.
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Biden urged Israel and Israel-Lebanon ceasefire talks in 2024 with Democrats backingdiplomacy.
Peace deals were heroic under Truman, Carter and Clinton, but they're weak with Trump.
why should Ukraine have to give up land just because Trump wants war over fast?
Well, I don't know that, that's necessarily where we're at is the deal that Russia gets tokeep the land that they've taken over just because the deal's not done yet, I think Donald
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Trump, during the, quote, Oval Office blow up with Zelensky, prior to that, he's like,listen, I'm the guy who has to be tough on both of them, meaning both Putin and Zelensky.
And then everyone's because of the blow up, they're like, Trump is, in the pocket of Putinor he's a Russian asset, which nothing more ridiculous could be even put into the public
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domain.
does it end up getting to a place where Russia keeps some of that land?
I, don't like the precedent that these Democrats set, that's the truth of the matter isthat.
when you're making a deal for peace, have to get, , both sides have to walk away, probablya little upset, not upset enough to continue the war.
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I think Trump is trying to guide both parties.
Donald Trump does these things in the public eye more he's more transparent than anypresident in our lifetime.
And certainly in the media age of television.
people are seeing the sausage being made and quite frankly, a lot of people just don'tlike it, Like they'd rather be naive to it.
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And Donald Trump's like, I'm going to do out from the American people.
He's having daily press conferences.
He's, signing things in the Oval Office and talking to reporters for an hour or morehimself, not his press secretary.
he's a different president.
And there's no question that he wants peace.
There's no question that he feels like he has to be tough on both Zelensky and Putin.
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And we'll see what type of negotiations he brings to the table and what kind of deal ismade.
you having the background in politics like you do with the transparency, do you likeseeing everything that's going on behind the scenes or would you rather read about a
little bit here and there and then see the outcome?
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I think things have gotten bad that the American people have gotten to a point where amajority of people, plurality of people, not a majority, a plurality of people did not
believe the 2020 election was conducted in a free, fair, and transparent manner.
And that's a problem when you have 40-something percent of Americans saying, don't trustour government.
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mean, that's, trust our own government.
Forget about Russia and Ukraine.
They don't trust our own Department of Justice.
And that's a real problem.
it's a double-edged sword.
Sometimes you would think like, hey, maybe this is a better discussion to have in privateversus out in front of all the cameras.
But I think things got so bad and Obama and Biden changed our country in a negative way sopoorly that the trust for government is so low that Donald Trump is probably doing the
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right thing by being as transparent.
even though it may create some fires that he could possibly avoid by having thesediscussions in smoke-filled rooms.
Yeah, I would agree.
I love the transparency.
I'm a transparent person, tell me how it is, let me see how it works, and let me get mytwo cents on it or whatever.
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I love seeing it happen, but I can see where more sensitive people would be offended by
things.
I don't think offended is the right word.
just think that, people, it gives more fodder for, everybody for both sides to say this,that, or the other thing, or they think that there's more going on than there is, or
they're reading into it.
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everybody read into this Zelensky meeting, that, Trump is pro Russia.
And that's not what happened.
If you watch that whole thing or read the transcript, that's not what happened in thatmeeting.
was that there was an economic deal that was made about minerals and Zelensky tried torenegotiate that deal to include military strength.
And the mineral deal had nothing to do with the military.
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And Trump, I think, acted appropriately.
Whether you want to say he could have had a little bit more softer gloves with it, youcould make that point, but who cares?
Like at the end of the day, Democrats, you're proving here through your questions andthrough historical record, Democrats were going to criticize Trump no matter what.
I'd rather them criticize Donald Trump for not making an economic deal rather than himgetting bullied into a military problem.
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And that's where the line in the sand at Donald Trump, had with Zelensky in the OvalOffice was, we're not going to let this economic deal turn into a military deal.
The next thing we're talking about is slapping tariffs on imports.
Trump's taxing imports from places like China and Mexico to save us jobs.
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Democrats say it'll jack up prices on everyday stuff.
let's talk about what happened before.
Truman raised wool tariffs to 50 % in 1951 with Democrats backing farmers.
JFK slapped the 25 % tariff on steel imports in 1962.
And Democrats called it a workers win.
LBJ kept textile tariffs at 20 % in 1965 to shield jobs with Democrats nodding along.
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Biden kept Trump's 25 % steel tariffs from 2018, adding 10 % on some imports in 2022, withDemocrats saying it protected industry.
tariffs were pro worker for Truman, JFK, LBJ and Biden.
But now with Trump, it's obviously, people are up in arms.
how
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tariffs on tires, every Democrat president has used tariffs as either a negotiation toollike Trump is or whatever.
Go ahead, ask your question.
I interrupted you.
I got ahead of myself.
are Americans supposed to afford groceries if Trump's tariffs make everything cost more?
the point here is that we have been funding the economies of the world through deficitspending.
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And we are more than $36 trillion in debt.
we go two trillion in debt every single year.
One trillion of that is just servicing the debt.
You cannot run your household that way.
We can't run our household running that type of debt,
What we have done is we've allowed these other countries to stymie American industrythrough tariffs, protecting their companies while allowing them to have free trade status
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with us.
it is important that these are reciprocal tariffs, not retribution.
if you are tariffing our products at 10%, we're going to tariff your products at 10%.
if you don't want tariffs on your products, take the tariffs away from our products.
It's that simple.
and for far too long, we have allowed countries to take advantage of us and we've acted astheir doormat.
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your question.
level, we need to bring it down to the American people.
are these tariffs going to affect groceries and how do we get groceries to be cheaper?
it depends on the actions of these other countries.
If South Africa, which has, their largest export of food is to the United States, if theywant to continue to tariff up our products at what they are, we don't tariff up their
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agriculture products at all.
yet any product that goes into South Africa is tariffed And that's stopping.
if South Africa then decides to change their way of raising money off of the Americanpeople, then it won't affect food prices at all.
But it is likely to affect some food prices that are, from farms that are not growndomestically.
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what do you think is the best way to help Americans understand the importance of tariffsand the pros or cons of them, whatever it may be, obviously Trump is not doing that.
He's not getting the message out to make American people understand why tariffs areimportant.
just in six weeks, Donald Trump has negotiated $2 trillion worth of corporate investmentin America just through the threat of tariffs, just through the threat.
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are Americans gonna feel the brunt of this maybe until fall?
Maybe, but the truth of the matter is,
But explain what that corporate investment means.
that corporate investment means that you're going to have a new Honda plant in Indiana.
You're going to have new companies come in from places like Vietnam because they don'twant to face the tariffs.
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that then provides jobs to build the manufacturing facilities.
Let's call it manufacturing or whatever we do.
Apple bringing $500 million worth of investment into Arizona to build the chips foriPhones here, Instead of building those overseas.
by having these tariffs, even if it does cost more, I think Americans have to look at itlike I'm helping my neighbor have a job versus having bananas at, 39 cents a pound instead
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of 49 cents, paying that extra 10 cents per pound is helping my neighbor have a job inAmerica versus somebody having a job in South Africa or South America or, Asia.
I think that's where people will see it.
that does take a little bit of time to generate within the economy.
It could, depending on how other countries decide to handle these tariffs, not affectAmerican consumers at all for the most part, because countries could say, what, we're
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going to go to the negotiation table and we're going to say, we're, we maybe we're taxingyou at 20%, but we really need to drop it to five.
And, we drop ours to five, we drop yours to five.
Yeah, well, 5 % is not going to, cripple anybody.
It's these 20, 25%.
we've already heard Honda and Apple and others, talk about at least $2 trillion worth ofinvestment in the United States economy, hiring workers here, which includes people who
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are in the construction industry or telecommunications industry or buying iPhones or anyof those things.
that it takes to make a company work.
All those are going to be American jobs in America that are being created.
let's talk about pushing tax cuts and scaling back education.
Trump's rushing to extend the 2017 tax cuts which expire at the end of 2025 and add newones like the tax on tips.
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While freezing the Department of Education funds aiming to gut it and let states take itover.
Democrats hate both saying tax cuts favor the rich and education cuts hurt kids.
let's talk about what happened before.
JFK slashed corporate taxes from 52 % to 47 % in 1962 with Democrats cheering growth.
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Carter cut capital gains taxes from 49 % to 28 % in 1978 and Democrats saw it as jobfriendly.
Clinton trimmed education department funds like 500 million from vocational programs in1996 and Democrats called it streamlining.
Also cut capital gains from 20 % in 1997.
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Obama extended Bush's tax cuts in 2010, top rate at 35 % with Democrats saying it savedthe economy.
Biden kept Trump's tax cuts intact of 37 % top rate while adding child tax credits in 2021with Democrats touting family relief.
tax cuts and education terms were fine under all of the Democrat administrations.
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Trump's obviously evil for,
doing the tax cuts and then also getting rid of the education department.
the biggest question that I hear all the time is why give rich folks tax breaks and cutschool funds when regular families are struggling?
first of all, the Department of Education is not school funds.
School funds come from the state level, not the federal level.
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the Department of Education, let's get that one out of the way first, is a complianceagency, not an education agency.
And you would think that Democrats would want to lean into this because Donald Trump hasalready used the Department of Education as a compliance agency, saying
If you have DEI in your education in your state, you will lose federal funding.
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you would think Democrats would take this opportunity to take, an arrow out of DonaldTrump's quiver for the next four years by eliminating the department of education, because
if they keep it, Donald Trump's still going to do the same thing Democrats did, which wasuse it as a compliance agency, against states.
And that's the wrong thing to do.
Donald Trump is saying that it is the wrong thing to do.
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That's why we need to get rid of it.
As I've said before, I believe the money should follow the child.
And people who disagree with that are either pro-bloated, school board administrations orpro-union, Because those are the only two things you're defending if you don't want the
money to follow the child.
Now, they're...
specifically say what you mean by that?
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if we're spending $10,000 a year per child in Florida to educate K through 12, and I wantmy child to go to either a different public school or a private school, then that $10,000
goes to the other school, public school, or the private school that I want to take mychild to.
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And children should not be stuck in failing schools because of their geography.
And that's what we've had in our country since the beginning of time is that if you'restuck in a low socioeconomic neighborhood, you have less education opportunities than
people in more affluent areas.
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And that's unfair to the child, it's unfair to parents, and I believe in giving parentsthe choice to take their children where they want.
And that's...
I don't understand why anybody would be against that unless they're for bloatedadministrations or just they're trying to protect teachers unions, which is wrong,
teachers unions aren't built for taking care of children before taking care of teachers.
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I'm not saying that teachers out there don't care about their students, but a teachersunion by its very nature is to protect.
teachers, not students, not to protect education, not to protect any of that.
it's, that's part of the issue here.
The second part of your question was, why do rich folks get tax breaks, right?
, I don't know that despite what Democrats say,
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lowering taxes or eliminating taxes on Social Security, lowering taxes on overtime,lowering or eliminating taxes on overtime, eliminating taxes on tips is not tax breaks for
the rich.
that's simply a talking point that Democrats have been able to use for more than ageneration to try to pit Americans against one another to keep their own political power.
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and it's wrong and they should stop doing it and should be intellectually honest with theAmerican people and they should take a stand on whether or not they support eliminating
taxes on social security, on tips and on overtime.
Because Democrats refuse to answer that question.
But they're like, we're against the tax breaks for the rich.
Well, no, answer what's going on right now.
What's going on right now is these are the tax breaks we're talking about right now.
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And take a stance there, but they don't want to because they want to claim they're forAmerican workers.
And yet the American workers this last election, know darn good.
Well, they're not for American workers.
They're for taking American workers' tax dollars and giving them to people who are notworking to secure votes.
And that's the main hypocrisy of the Democratic Party.
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The next topic we're going to talk about, which is big today is boosting support forIsrael.
Trump's ramping up support for Israel big time.
Think more military aid, like 26 billion package he's pushing in early 2025, and maybemoving more embassy staff to Jerusalem.
Democrats are mad saying it ignores Palestinians and fuels conflict.
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let's talk about what happened before.
Truman recognized Israel in 1948 within 11 minutes with Democrats cheering moral duty.
JFK sold Hawk missiles in 1962, first big arms deal and Democrats called it a specialrelationship.
LBJ sent Phantom jets in 1968 post six day war with Democrats backing Israel's strength.
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Carter gave three billion annual aid via Camp David in 1978 and Democrats hailed peacebuilding.
Clinton upped aid to 3.1 billion yearly by 1998 with Democrats proud of the Alliance.
Obama signed a 38 billion aid deal in 2016 and Democrats touted historic security support.
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Biden pushed 14.3 billion extra aid in 2024 after Hamas attack
with Democrats, mostly backing his ironclad stance.
Democrats from Truman to Biden poured aid in arms into Israel, but of course Trump's extraboost to bridge is too far for
them. does piling more money and guns into Israel just make peace with Palestinians
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I think you did a good job there of laying out that Israel has been a generational allyfor the United States and we need to maintain it.
Every president, regardless of naysayers, has supported Israel and Donald Trump is goingto continue to support Israel.
Israel is a sovereign nation.
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They have the right to protect themselves and we know that Hamas,
had these heinous acts against civilians and they still hold hostages, they're holdingremains of dead hostages and it needs to end.
part of the problem with the Democratic Party is that they now have members of Congresswho will stand up and proudly say they're more allegiance to other countries.
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And I don't know how a member of Congress
is allowed to vote, number one.
If you're more allegiant to another country than the United States, you shouldn't beallowed to vote.
How you're able to become a member of Congress saying that you are more allegiant toanother country is treasonous.
And they certainly shouldn't be able to serve as a member of Congress.
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I think debit...
Yes, you have the congresswoman from Michigan in particular who has said she's moreallegiance to Somalia.
And there's another one, the names are going to escape me right this second, but there'stwo women in the Democratic caucus who claim they're more allegiance to other countries.
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the Democrats are having a problem
being pro-American, like within their own caucus, they have people who are for othercountries over America, elected officials in the US House of Representatives.
And they are grappling with how do they even present a pro-American stance, much less apro-Israel or pro-Palestinian.
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And we know that Democrats have supported the Palestinian protests on college campuses,much that Jewish
Kids cannot go to school, cannot attend classes.
They're harassed just endlessly.
And that's on American soil.
Can you imagine what's happening over on other soil?
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I'm glad that Donald Trump is following in the footsteps of all those presidents, everysingle president.
Since Truman...
no different.
It's just more of the same, just a different time.
here's the thing.
Donald Trump has a lot of bravado and people don't like it.
he says, I'm have a Trump Hotel in Gaza.
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Well, whether he meant that or not, I don't know.
Or whether he was just trying to stir the pot, I'm not sure.
he very well could be 100 % serious about that.
But he also could have been, just trying to goad the opposition.
I imagine people in the room when he said it aren't a hundred percent sure one way or theother.
he doesn't help himself from a public relations angle.
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That's why, I've said that, people voted for Donald Trump because he leads us through firedespite the fires he sets.
And that's a perfect example
that these folks who want to cut aid to Israel want to promote aid to Ukraine.
they're hypocritical in this very moment about two different theaters and their argumentsring hollow.
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we're trying to negotiate an end to both of these wars that were started under Biden
I think every day that goes by, the American people see that Biden, and by extensionObama, left the world in a worse place than When they got the keys to the White House,
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it's like renters, and now the electricity's been turned off and there's pizza boxes allover the floor.
And they've moved out.
And now we have to come in and clean up the mess before we can straighten some otherthings out.
it is a mess, whether it's domestic or foreign.
And at some point, Barack Obama railed against George W.
Bush through his entire eight years as president, And at some point, I think we have to,maybe not six weeks, but after six months, it's kind of like, okay, did Trump's things
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work or not?
it's going to take a while turn the ship around.
I think it's fair to continually criticize the Biden administration at some point.
the buck has to stop with the decisions that are being made today.
I think that we're making positive movement.
But Democrats are standing in the way every way they can, whether that's from a politicalstandpoint or whether it's from a public relations or whether it's legal.
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they're trying to file lawsuits to stop every single thing that Donald Trump is doing.
And I don't, think at the end of the day, politically, that does not work out well forDemocrats.
Well, that's all I have today.
I'm going to leave with this question the next time you hear someone cheering orcomplaining about politics, maybe ask, would they say the same thing if their team was
doing the exact same thing?
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you did a great job researching all this.
thank you for that.
You, I know you put a lot of time and effort into it and you kind of came up with thisidea day or two ago and I was like, let's run with it.
And here we are seven major topics that Donald Trump is dealing with.
And what were your thoughts as you were researching it?
Cause I know that there were times where you thought that, it was.
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The criticisms were fair,
the whole purpose of this show is to help people understand politics in a relatable way.
And because that's something that I I really never had until I met you, quite honestly.
I take a lot of I take a lot of
the topics that we talk about, from social media.
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I see friends, just anybody who's on social media that are complaining about certainthings.
And that's where it fuels me to be able to like, okay, well, let's talk about this.
And let's talk about it in a realistic manner to see, was this done before?
How did people react to it?
Or is this something brand new that people are just freaking out about?
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that's my basis and that's what I want to do.
My goal is to help people understand things that Trump are doing today is not the firsttime it's ever been done in history.
Don't follow what the Democrats are saying, all of the gloom and doom and he's killing thecountry and all of that because it's probably been done before and we've survived.
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I just really want to make this platform easy for people to hear the topics, to understandthem, to ask questions if they want to and not feel weird about it.
quite honestly, after seeing this, it's really just mind blowing that you can have historyrepeating itself but have the same people react completely different.
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And it's just really
disheartening for me
that kind of begs the question, do you think that Donald Trump is wrong or do you think heshould change his approach or do you think it's public relations or was Donald Trump right
when he said in his address to Congress that no matter what he does, he'll never getDemocrats to clap?
I think that's exactly it.
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You have people in your life that no matter what they do, you don't like them, and you'renever going to accept what they say or do.
It's never gonna change anything.
They could save you from your burning house, but it wouldn't matter.
And I think that's exactly how people see Trump.
Like you said, he has bravado.
He toots his own horn.
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He, lets people know everything that he's doing and good, bad or ugly, it is the way thatit is.
But I know for me that I felt safest the four years that he was in office and I feel safetoday.
And I just, I don't think you're ever going to please everybody all the time.
It's just impossible.
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Well, it's one of the life lessons.
, I've always said I'm going to write this book about parenting.
And one of the parenting lessons, my dad, the minister, the chaplain gave me, I was mad atsome kid at school and I just don't like him.
And I was raised, you oh, you're supposed to love everybody.
And dad just looked down.
He's like, well, Jamie, we don't have to like everybody, but we do have to love them.
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that was kind of a life lesson that I've tried to take
throughout my career is somebody's gonna rub you the wrong way and it's just, it is whatit is, but you try to still respect them thank you for your comments because that's the
one thing I think we try to do on this show and try to do on social media is whether it'sYouTube, Substack or wherever we are.
is we try to be respectful of other people's views.
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I always like to say until I can't.
Once you attack me and start calling me names, I'm gonna defend myself.
it's interesting for me because Trump was the first person that I voted for and yes, hewas, he was Republican.
Did I have my, Republican, , shoes planted in cement?
No, I didn't.
And, when it came down, learning more after spending these few years with you, , I reallywent into the last election with open mind and open heart.
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I think it's just very important that everybody understands that, yes, we have differingviews.
I think everybody's goal is the same.
Hopefully everybody's goal is the same.
We just all may go about it different ways.
I think that's just what we have to sit back relax and see what happens and we'll justkeep breaking it down for the next four years and See where we land.
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for us to be a leader in the world that we have to get our own finances in order.
can no longer afford to deficit spend to support wars.
We can no longer afford to deficit spend to support other people importing to us, but themnot accepting our imports.
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We're deficit spending on these things.
to make everybody be our friend.
And it's great if you have unlimited amounts of money.
And the truth of the matter is we don't.
I had a call with a podcast across the pond and we had this very discussion and they wereflabbergasted.
They had no idea that Americans were going $2 trillion in debt every year.
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And they were like, how can you do that?
I was like, that's the problem.
We can't.
And yet everybody sitting there saying, we're abandoning, know, like, well, for us to be atrue leader of the world, we have to be an economic powerhouse.
For us to be an economic powerhouse, we can't be $36 trillion in debt.
I think people are starting to realize that, the debt's been going on for a long time.
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We haven't had a balanced budget since 2001.
there's plenty of blame to go around.
both political parties, all political leaders.
the hard truth is we now have a political leader who's trying to rein that in.
And we need to get behind that in a bipartisan way to support economic strength in Americaor America will cease to exist in the form we know it today.
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