February 23, 2025 • 43 mins
Recorded February 23, 2025
In this conversation, Jennifer and Jamie delve into the world of conspiracy theories, focusing on the concept of the 'deep state' and its implications in contemporary politics. They discuss the controversial figure of Kash Patel, the various conspiracy theories surrounding significant events like 9/11 and the JFK assassination, and the connections of Jeffrey Epstein to powerful elites. The dialogue explores the legitimacy of these theories, the role of government agencies, and the influence of media in shaping public perception. Ultimately, they emphasize the importance of transparency and accountability in government actions.
Link to CIA 9/11 Whistleblower - https://youtu.be/y1eG9VCA8m4?si=w3wnx2EpIwIKjDFv
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TIMELINE 00:00 Introduction to Conspiracy Theories 01:14 Understanding Cash Patel and the Deep State 02:31 Concerns About Cash Patel's Role 03:29 Defining the Deep State 04:50 The Deep State's Influence Across Political Parties 06:06 Legitimacy of Deep State Concerns 07:54 Corporate Influence and Public Opinion 10:14 Everyday Effects of the Deep State 11:30 9/11 Conspiracy Theories 11:59 The Pentagon and Flight 93 Theories 14:04 Larry Silverstein and Insurance Controversies 16:38 Government Incompetence vs. Conspiracy 20:24 Bravado and Incompetence in Leadership 21:45 Intelligence Failures and Government Transparency 23:36 The Epstein Case: Power, Blackmail, and Death 30:55 JFK Assassination: Conspiracy Theories and Government Secrecy 33:40 Deep State Theories: Manipulation and Control 42:02 Final Thoughts on Conspiracy vs. Government as Usual
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Hi.
Great intro babe.
Yeah, happy Sunday.
All right, so here we're gonna be talking about conspiracy theories tonight, which youknow are one of my favorite things.
I do, and I'm excited and apprehensive about the topics.
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Okay.
no idea all right so what we do is we break down political news so it's easily digestibleand
and so I can understand, right?
I'm learning through this.
So today we are diving into Kash Patel.
He is the new Trump's new FBI director and his mission is to expose the deep state.
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So what is this deep state?
We're going to find that out.
And what conspiracy theories are tied to it?
We're going find that out.
So let's talk a little bit about Cash and what he, who he is.
So we know that he's the new FBI director for Trump and that he has made it his mission touncover deep state corruption.
He previously served as a national security council official, a counterterrorismprosecutor, and a key aide in the Trump administration.
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He was involved in investigating the FBI's handling of the Russia probe.
which made him a controversial figure He wants to declassify documents related to JFK9-eleven Epstein and other conspiracies and his appointment is controversial because some
see him as a truth-seeker and others as a political pawn So the first question to you iswhy are many Democrats concerned about cash but telling this role and what risks do they
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see well?
I wouldn't call him a political pawn.
I think he's a political disrupter and Democrats should be concerned because they havesystematically, going back to the Obama administration, weaponized government agencies.
And Elon Musk, Pam Bondi,
Cash Patel have all said they're bringing transparency.
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Probably the most, one month in, this is the most transparent presidential administrationhas been in modern history.
if...
if people have not done anything wrong or they have not manipulated government to attacktheir political opponents, they should have nothing to worry about.
But those who have, they probably should.
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should.
So conservatives argue that the deep state has been undermining Trump and America foryears.
So does Cash Patel finally give them an ally in exposing it?
Yeah, I think it's important to make sure we define what the deep state is.
We like to these terms.
most people use them loosely and broadly.
And I don't know that that's fair because there are people like myself who have beeninvolved in politics for 30 years who've been called rhino or establishment.
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don't know that anybody's called me deep state, but you're just one step away when you'vebeen involved as long as I have, right?
We'll have to Google that.
Jamie Miller deep state.
Hopefully not.
Somebody already has probably.
And so.
but there are good government employees who've been involved for a long time.
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And so I think we have to define deep state or how I define deep state is someone who iselected or unelected, appointed,
hired, who makes decisions that impact negatively the American people while enrichingthemselves in one way or another, whether that's financial or whether that's power,
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whatever that is.
And so.
they're making decisions as somebody who's making deep state decision is putting Americansat risk to benefit themselves.
And that to me is, is probably where we need to start the conversation.
I'd love to hear in the comments and read the comments of
what other people, how they define deep state.
Because I think it is a broad term.
And when we're talking about this as a major.
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domestic policy, you know, dismantling the deep state, think we need to start with what,how, how we define that.
Okay.
So when I asked AI, what deep state means or what it is, the deep state is
a supposed network of unelected officials, intelligence agencies, corporations, and elitescontrolling policy behind the scenes.
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Some dismiss it as paranoia.
Others believe it influences elections, wars, and financial systems.
Patel wants to reveal its hidden influence.
So both major parties have been linked to the deep states activities.
Democratic links are some point to JFK assassinations, the Obama administrationsurveillance expansion,
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and ties to intelligence agencies.
The Republican links are the Bush administration's roles in the post 9-11 policies, theCIA's involvement in foreign and
interventions, and Trump's battles with intelligence agencies.
Fuel claims that deep state influence exists across both party lines.
So is the idea of a deep state just an excuse for certain politicians to dodgeaccountability, or is there legitimacy to these concerns?
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Well, I think there's definitely legitimacy to the concerns.
That certainly is a broader definition than what I just presented.
You know, because we've seen already in
in the resistance of bureauc bureaucracy against Donald Trump, mid level or even low levelgovernment employees saying they are not going to enact Trump's policies.
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So under that definition, that low level employee is part, what's that?
governor of Maine?
Well, yeah, the governor of Maine.
But we're even talking about low-level people within the Department of Agriculture orUSAID who's just like, we're not going to implement-
Donald Trump's policies.
Well, you're an employee.
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so employees who don't implement the CEO's policies get fired.
And so that's where they're at.
And so, so that is a broader term and that may be a correct term as well, because, know,we've.
people get government jobs and they see them as lifetime appointments and they're not, youknow, and I wrote in the blog in Substack reasonable arguments that, you know, we have,
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when a corporation lays people off, they almost inevitably, and I that show data to backit up, inevitably end up at laying off 18.5 % of their employees.
And we're not even close to that.
Elon Musk is not close to that, Doge isn't close to that.
They're like, oh, we have massive layoffs over, we're gonna have a massive layoff set inthe Department of Defense, we're gonna have eight to 10%.
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administrative employees, not even all employees, just administrative employees.
And so, um, you know, so it's a, it's, I think there's a lot of people who are blowingthis way out of proportion to, um, you know, for political purposes, as far as the layoffs
go.
You had about four questions in there, I may be answered one or two.
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So, So the next question would be many conservatives argue that the FBI, the CIA and mediaare part of a larger scheme to control public opinion.
Uh, do we have any proof of this?
So, so yeah, big corporations, big, big, powerful, you know, defense contractors, all, youknow, money talks, right?
And so, um, you know, it's been said.
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many times that, you know, money is the mother's milk of politics and never heard it.
Of course, I might want to go that way.
But it's been out there for, let's say, 100 years.
OK.
So that money is what keeps the gears greased, so to speak, in politics and government.
And so one thing that happens is because big corporations
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you know, they influence, you know, popular culture, you know, whether that's throughadvertising.
whether that's through the TV shows that are written, you know, advertisers have a big sayin what is said and how, who are the actors on TV shows.
And, um, and so a lot of those things, whether that TV show is DEI or not is drivenlargely by, you know, advertisers, by big corporations.
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And so.
So that then permeates popular culture.
so is that deep state or is that just a corporation trying to make more money?
And so is that the chicken or the egg?
Certainly the military complex, but on the Democrat side, you could say the environmentalprotection complex, right?
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There's a huge, the solar energy complex that was a big push under Barack Obama and...
you know, we ended up spending $5 billion and no solar panels.
And so we're at $5 billion.
I mean, there's lots of conspiracy theories of what, you know, we have enough facts toknow that there's probably a conspiracy somewhere.
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Yeah, don't, you know, then the theory is we're, you know, we can all speculate.
Right.
And so hopefully,
the transparency we see out of Patel and Bondi and others will clarify some of that.
Okay.
Um, many conservatives, and I already did.
it if the deep state exists how can the average person see its effects in everyday life?
see it through advertising.
think you see it through television.
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You certainly see it through, um, you can see if it exists and exists on both sides.
think if it exists, it exists on both sides and, uh, you have a disruptor like DonaldTrump, both sides will try to wait them out.
Right?
Like we know that if you want to call it the deep state of Congress, Nancy Pelosiillegally impeached.
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the president of the united states in his first term knowing that the information she wasacting on was false she knew that that information was false and she decided to act anyway
and so to impeach the president you want to talk about overthrowing the government that'strue that's an attempt to overthrow the government and
But if it exists, people could see it in the stock market.
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Certainly gas prices, food prices.
things like that that people see every day.
Okay.
So the first conspiracy that we're going to talk about is the 9-11.
And this is one that you and I have had many conversations about because I truly believethat this was set up by our government and
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I don't think that you do because you lost somebody in 9-11.
so it's definitely a question.
So obviously some believe that 9-11 was an inside job or allowed it to happen for warprofits.
So let's talk about the different areas.
So twin towers, theories include controlled demolition, the presence of thermite and freefall collapse speeds.
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There's no doubt planes hit it, but there was other things that were happening.
in the floors below that made them fall completely down.
The Pentagon, some claim that damage does not match a Boeing 757 impact and surveillancefootage is limited.
If a plane didn't hit it, where did it go?
Where did that plane go?
And every video that I've seen with the Pentagon literally looks like a missile hittingit, not a plane.
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Well, that's the argument is that it's coming in solo and horizontal, right?
But every plane lands low and horizontal.
So, you maybe had a more experienced pilot there.
You know, I did lose somebody in the plane on the Pentagon, a colleague from the recount.
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I have no doubt that she died in a plane that hit the Pentagon.
Flight 93 officially crashed due to passenger
resistance, but some suggest that was shot down by the military.
100.
% believe that it was shot down by the military.
Not that those people weren't heroes in trying to take the plane down, but that's what Itruly believe.
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I don't know that that argument's relevant one way or the other.
There's no question that passengers on Flight 93 banded together to try to take the flightdown if the call had to be made where our
Our military personnel were ordered to take down a commercial flight and I think they weregiving green lights to do that.
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I don't know if that's unclassified or not, but my guess is that it was.
And, when they say, there's still a fourth plane out there and it's coming to hit theCapitol or the white house.
And I knew people in the white house and the Capitol that day who evacuated.
And you know, obviously there's real fear.
knowing that two planes had hit the World Trade Center, East World Trade Center tower andthe Pentagon.
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And so...
you know, so if in fact, our military was given that order, I feel really, horrible forthe pilot.
If that is in fact the case, but there's no, there's no question, question, that thosepeople on that flight were heroes.
They made, they made the.
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conscious decision to sacrifice themselves right and so i don't think regardless of whatcomes out there that doesn't change the fact that the people on that flight had banded
together and decided to take put our country ahead of their own lives yeah
So the next one for 9-11 was Larry Silverstone.
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So Larry Silverstein's who was the leaseholder for the World Trade Center's, the TwinTowers, he had purchased a lease insurance policy on the World Trade Center just months
before 9-11 and took out, or it,
he purchased the lease I'm sorry purchased the lease for the World Trade Center justmonths before 9-11 and took out an insurance policy that specifically covered terrorist
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attacks and after the tax he received a payout of 4.5 billion dollars.
that the insurance policy only
cover terrorist attacks or was it a rider that included terrorist attacks or
know that I can we can I'm sure we're going to find that out.
But it definitely includes it was specific to terrorist attacks.
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That was part of it.
So the question the question is now my question really is and you're not going to knowthis but what I'm bringing up tonight is where did the money go so the new towers were
partially funded by approximately 1 billion of the insurance money.
The state of New York provided an additional 250 million
and the port authority agreed to contribute one billion.
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So this leaves the question of where did the other 3.55 billion?
Sorry to rebuild the to rebuild the World Trade Center was only 2.5 billion?
That's what that's being reported.
Yeah.
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Well, and we also know because we watched a YouTube of
um,
Her name was, and her name just completely went out of my mind, but I'll get it.
But she worked for the CIA and.
enough research on that person to mention her or whether she was, she, she was part ofthis.
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She knew because of her department that these attacks were being planned as far as, asearly as June in 2001 or whatever this was.
her question that the facts were planned probably way longer than June of 2000.
But we knew about it.
We knew about it.
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But if you know, this is another thing of unclassifying.
information.
How many, how many attacks of things do we know about?
How many turn out to be true and we stop them and how many do they run down and they endup not being true?
And so.
you know, the question becomes, you know, if you knew that the people were going to hijackplanes, know, was there some level of...
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of
protection that could have come in to ensure that that didn't happen.
Locking the pilot doors, for instance.
Well that so that that that's a whole different thing because the the pilots aren'tnecessarily who they say they are and we'll get into that later here too, but and I'll put
the link to the Susan Lindauer's video because she specifically says that she had
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reached out to many many people and because she was actually put under the Patriot Act forcoming forward and being a whistleblower, she actually has thousands of hours of
conversations between her and people in Congress telling them of these things that weregoing to happen.
Her boss walked away with 14 million dollars after this happened and he was the head ofthe CIA.
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So I'll link that and that's a whole different discussion.
I think I watched most of that video and I questioned her credibility So, you know, I'mnot saying she's not credible.
I've never heard of her before you asked me to watch this video, which was extremelyboring but if you
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You know, I'd love to hear what other people think, to be honest with you, put the link,put the link in there and I'd love to hear what other people think about it.
But I, I, I think I even said to you something like, wow, this is, you know, I've heardthis story from, you know, tens or dozens of people, not maybe not about nine 11, but
about something.
And it's just, I'm not sure, you know, through my career, you run across people and maybeit's true.
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Maybe it's not.
I try to take everybody at face value.
I'll take her at face value.
Yeah.
Okay.
So why do people believe government incompetence rather than conspiracy that explains 9-11failures?
Because that's what it would be.
If they knew that this was happening, which there's, I think there's documented proof thatthey knew that this was happening.
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How are they?
how are they okay with government and confidence then?
Well, I agree with you.
The, you know, we were in the switch of a president, you know, George W was inaugurated inJanuary of 2001.
This happens nine, less than nine months later.
I'm not saying that he's not responsible because he's a president of United States, right?
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The of a president.
And so, and they, and that, that also, you know, is one of the conspiracies is that, youknow,
father had this discrepancy with Saddam Hussein.
Are you taking my stuff?
I don't know your stuff, so should I wait on that?
I'll wait on that.
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Excuse me.
I guess we're going to get to that later.
And so, yeah.
So, so it's, not saying, I'm not trying to say that he wasn't responsible, but, but Icould say that, you know, when you're, we see this now we're one month in from, Donald
Trump.
Cash Patel, the FBI director, a pretty important position, was just confirmed.
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Right?
So, you know, there is a level of, hey, I don't care who you are.
You know, everyone's like, you should be, you know, somehow having the experience ofrunning a government agency to government agency, but to run a government agency.
But there's very few people who've run the FBI or I think Cash Patel.
different than president though.
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think Cash Patel's maybe the ninth person to run the FBI.
But are you saying that in the same way as someone becoming president and not knowing ninemonths later?
I'm saying there's a lot of information you have to take-
in and there's a lot of information that you have to discern of whether what is true andwhat is not.
And you know, was there, I could see that, you know, in the George W administration orespecially George W had at that, especially in 2001 had a level of bravado.
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Right.
Of course, they're not going to attack the United States.
They know what's coming.
Right.
And so I'm not saying that's what happened.
I'm just saying that it could have been that, you know, is it incompetence?
Well, maybe if bravado is incompetence, maybe, but, uh, was it a conspiracy theory?
Maybe, maybe that is maybe there were charges in the world trade center and this guy whohas the lease out for four or the insurance for four and a half billion blew it up.
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Who knows?
I mean, I, I,
You know, I don't know that I know any more than anyone else.
So I'm not trying to say somebody's right or somebody's wrong.
but the lady that I saw on the YouTube, I questioned her credibility.
Of course.
But, okay, so what role did intelligence failures play in allowing the attacks to happen?
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And was it intentional?
Well, do we know that the intelligence failures, right?
And so, and that's one of those things that we kind of kicked it off.
how much...
should the government keep from people and for how long, let's say with the JFKassassination.
So now, you know, if JFK is going to last 60 years,
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well, are we going to have 9-11 at, wait till 60 years before we know the full truth?
I don't know.
I think we're gonna find it out in the next four years, for sure.
I would rather find it out because I think people need to know.
you know, whether their government is undermining their ability to have freedom.
Right.
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Okay.
So if there was a cover up, what would be the government's motive?
hiding the truth?
There's lots of lots of motives, you know, whether it's as simple as getting reelected byGeorge W.
Bush or whether it's.
money going to different places or, know, the worst of conspiracy theories is that, know,Dick Cheney was behind it and it was to start a war so that he could enrich himself, you
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know?
So, I don't know that any of those things are true.
have no personal knowledge that any of those things are true, but that would be.
you know worst case scenarios as far as I'm concerned if you know somebody like the vicepresident was had knowledge or was responsible
for it and covered it up to, um, send young men to war and enrich himself.
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Okay.
Um, so the next one we're going to talk about is Jeffrey Epstein.
Well, we made a jump there.
the blackmail networks.
So we know that Epstein was involved in an elite sex trafficking ring.
Some believe he was working for intelligence agencies to blackmail politicians andcelebrities.
And his mysterious death also
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still raises major red flags, because he was killed in prison.
He died in prison.
He hanged, yeah.
He died in prison.
So what do we know for sure about Epstein's connections to powerful people?
so we know so we have pictures does does that necessarily mean that people were involved imean it's like a ditty thing right it's just
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it's like any politician, know, I Have pictures with politicians who don't know my name,right?
Does that mean that they carry?
Every blight that I have with me into their future.
No, it shouldn't
you know, but, you know, a lot of wealthy people get a lot of pictures, know, atfundraisers, you know, I got a fundraiser, you know, and you've been, you've been there,
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you know, despite your lack of politics, you've been through a couple of
grip and grin photo lines.
McCarthy speaker McCarthy was one of them.
I think that conversation lasted eight words.
Right.
So, so we have a picture with McCarthy.
Does that make us.
good or bad?
Does that make him worse because he knows us or us worse because we know him?
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Just because there's a picture.
you know, the pictures I've seen appear to be in public places, not even private homes,like private party homes.
seem to be in public places or public type events, fundraising type events.
There's certainly more to the story because...
Okay, well that that leads me into my next question.
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So is it possible that Epstein was working with intelligence agencies to control elites?
It's certainly possible.
It's certainly possible.
Um, you know, you know, is it probable?
I don't know.
Um, you know, was he just, um, you know, what was the, what was Epstein's?
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I don't know that we'll ever know Epstein's motivation.
Hopefully we find a money trail somewhere that kind of says, you know, maybe somebody waspaying him for X, Y, or Z.
And that would enlighten some of us on how.
you know, deep the corruption goes in our government in Hollywood.
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Um, why haven't we seen the full Epstein fine list?
And do you think that there's two, there's two things.
Yeah.
So there's two things.
One, I go back to the Ashley Madison list, right?
So there's, if in fact this is, you know, all these folks,
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all were in Epstein Island, all naked, all naked at the same time squirting baby oil oneach other, doing crazy things, you know, um, so the whole thing was with children.
That's the whole, well, yeah.
If people, if people were, were, if it was with children, they should be arrested and, andjailed.
That there should be no statute of limitations.
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You know, I don't know.
what the rules are on this island that exists off the coast or whatever, but, those folksshould be run out of town on a rail and at the very least, probably thrown in prison for
the rest of their lives.
If, if there's proof that people were having sex with children, I don't think there'sjust, there's just no quarter for that.
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Just no none.
And, and I don't think the American people will accept that at all.
And so.
Now the question becomes, you know, like Ashley Madison, which is not children.
So let's take children out of it for the moment.
Um, you know, there were, you know, when you looked at the math, when the Ashley Madisonbreach happened and, and you had all of these folks, all these men who were on Ashley
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Madison and you have a total of, forget what I, what I told you, was so it's a.
crazy stat.
Like if you just say, okay, just men between the age of 20 and 60 in the United States, inAmerica, we're on the list.
You know, it's like one out of every three or four men were actively on Ashley Madison.
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It's incredible, you know, and so when that came out, there were reporters who said,there's
so-and-so's profile.
There's the, all these politicians in Florida, especially, that I was aware of, notnationally, but that, reporters would say, they're on this.
They had profiles and they're in the X, Y, and Z.
And reporters decided, you know, it's their personal life and their adults.
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there's just, it turned out to be too many of them, right?
Like there's just so many of them.
And so what do you do?
You take down the government through sex scandal.
And, you know, we didn't take down a president because of a sex scandal.
And we didn't even take down a president for lying.
to Congress about a sex scandal.
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and so Bill Clinton so if it doesn't include children and it includes hundreds ofthousands of very popular names does the public say wow they just included everybody and
they shrugged like they did the public shrugged over Ashley Madison and
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you know, because it was just so large, they couldn't consume it almost.
Totally different.
I think you're comparing apples to oranges.
I could be, but I just, you know, when you I think you're throwing in sex with children,which that certainly brings a level of.
But that's what it is.
It's sex trafficking.
That's the whole thing.
Brings in a level of criminal activity.
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Yeah.
OK.
Actually, Madison was on criminal activity.
There's adults doing things outside of their marriage, right?
So so.
if people conducted criminal activity, hope Pam Bondi does not.
release the list.
I hope she just makes arrests, just starts arresting people if she has proof that they hadsex with children.
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Why release the list?
And I think that may be kind of what's going on internally is, you know, Hey, instead ofreleasing the list and having these folks folks go and protect themselves in the court of
public opinion, let's go arrest them and charge them.
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with having sex with underage children or trafficking or contributing to the traffickingof children across international lines.
It's a crime and so Pam Bondi is there to to prosecute crimes and so I hope that it is onher desk.
I hope that if there's crimes that were committed by powerful people in Hollywood andCongress that she does not release the list and just makes a right
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so let's move on to JFK.
So the questions are, was JFK assassinated by a lone gunman or larger conspiracy?
Theories involve the CIA, mafia, military, industrial complex, and the LBJ.
Recently uncovered files suggest intelligence involvement.
So why is the US government still withholding JFK documents?
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No idea.
know, it's likely has to do with the nature of some of the information.
You know, the one thing that brings me some satisfaction is Pam Bondi said, you know, I'velooked at it and there's nothing there that's going to surprise anybody.
And you know, the one thing I know about Pam from knowing her for 15 years.
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is that she's an honest operator, you know, and
I'll take her out of her word until something proves me wrong.
Now, of course, everybody wants to see it.
And, you know, we've all seen the film of him moving forward and then it looks like hegets shot backwards, you know, shot from the front.
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you know, and it's certain, you know, all of that, you know, the Jack Ruby killing LeeHarvey Oswald, all of it just leads into this more conspiracy.
Right.
And so.
you know.
was, was Ruby paid was Ruby's family's paid.
He was supposedly mobbed up, which always kind of led to, you know, the speculation rightafter, was that, that it was the mob that killed JFK and then Lee Harvey Oswald had these
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ties to Russia.
And so it just, you know, and I, you know, I'm, my conspiracy is that Russia has beeninfiltrating our colleges and, and,
elections since the 60s and so so it would not surprise me if it's you know, all that goesback to the russians Okay, was jfk's assassination a way for the deep state to remove a
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president who was who threatened their power I don't think so because we all know now thatjfk was sneaking maryland monroe and others into his residence and they
to take down his presidency all they had to do was release that information they didn'thave to kill him and you know in 1964, 65 whatever year he was assassinated he was that
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was seen as not conduct of a president and so that had become public
that would have ended his presidency.
Okay.
So some of the other deep state theories is the military industrial complex, perpetualwars for profit, big pharma and COVID-19 population control versus public health, UFOs,
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secrecy, government hiding alien technology, and election fraud, your 2020 electionconspiracies.
So.
are some of these just distractions used to manipulate voters?
So yeah, you threw a lot out there.
So I guess I won't discuss them in particular, but are they distractions to manipulatevoters?
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I think that at times they become distractions to, so people will not, will avoid seeingwhat may be happening, whether it's internationally or, or whatever, you know?
And so, you know, for instance, there was an election in Germany and they just elected aconservative.
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coalition government.
And what does that mean?
Do people care about it?
I know you don't, but, but I kind of a major impact on how Europe moves forward with thewar in Ukraine and Russia and how Europe, you know, coalesces behind the, you know, the
third largest economy in the world in Germany.
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And, you know, so that Germany still has a huge economic influence over the EU and.
how does that impact the United States when you have the new?
German, I think it's Chancellor, not Prime Minister, the German Chancellor say thingslike, you know, well, we're going to kind of be an anti-Trump, you know, so we'll see.
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Our intelligence agencies actively working to suppress conservatives.
There's no question.
You know, it'll depend.
There's no question that Obama weaponized government.
had to include the intelligence agencies.
And maybe for the first time in our history, we'll prove that, that we were using ourintelligence agencies against the American people.
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hope not.
but I, my, my suspicion is we know for a fact.
that Obama overtly used the IRS to weaponize against conservative groups and people.
And so my speculation is that we will find out more that there are more ways in whichObama and then Biden weaponize these agencies against conservatives.
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Okay.
How do we separate legitimate concerns from conspiracy rabbit holes?
I think it's important to say that, these are concerns, regardless of whether theconspiracy is true or not.
And so I think sometimes, for instance, there was another round of, from Maricopa County,the sheriff had a press conference a week ago about Barack Obama's birth certificate.
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Now, my speculation is that Barack Obama was likely born in Hawaii, but he maybe wasborn...
You know, he may be three years older than what he claims because he wanted to ensure thatthere wasn't any conflict and that he was born after Hawaii was a state and he may have
been born in Hawaii prior to it becoming a state.
Right.
So, so like, could be just that, but everybody's made it into this huge, much biggertheory of, um, you know, I mean, I have my birth certificate, you have yours.
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does Barack Obama not have his birth certificate?
Right.
And so, um,
and then there's the confusion over the records and all that other stuff.
So, but here, here we're still chasing that down.
For what reason?
Like it's, what does that prove?
Okay.
I guess it would prove he wasn't qualified to be president, but the truth of the matter ishe was, we're not going to go remove the appointees from him from his us Supreme court
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because they were confirmed by the Senate.
Right.
So.
that's why we have the balance of power.
That's why we have the separation of government, the three branches of government.
And my speculation is that he was probably born in Hawaii.
may have been older than what he was.
so somebody changed the date on a birth certificate to make it ensure that he was lookedlike he was born after Hawaii state, you know, you know, so why do we chase who cares at
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this point?
Right.
And.
he became the president of United States.
and he certainly, uh, you know, are we going to strip them of his, uh, respond rights as aformer president?
I mean, I guess we could, I don't know that that's good for the country, um, to take awayhis secret service detail and thing.
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He still served eight years as president of the United States.
Okay.
So one of the things I wanted to know about and not that this is something that you cananswer, but something that I looked into.
was, you know, when I, I,
reading about the deep state and all of that, how are these people communicating?
Is it like a secret door somewhere and a secret lock?
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What is it?
So what I found is that there are back channels and private networks.
So officials and elites may use encrypted messaging like signal, proton mail.
And signal is actually funny because this is the second time I've heard it.
The first time I heard it was when the Department of Education
board chief or whatever his name is was being reported from a reporter being told that hewas undermining Trump.
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everything down and his people were still talking through signal.
Proton mail and secure satellite phones to communicate outside of channels or outside ofofficial channels.
Corporate and intelligence networks.
So intelligence agencies and multinational corporations provide avenues for clandestinediscussions.
protected under national security laws.
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Obviously the secret meetings and organizations groups like the Bilderberg group, neverheard of it, Council on Foreign Relations and World Economic Forum allow high level
discussions between political and financial elites and of course media influence.
So some people or some believe deep state operatives control mainstream narratives byleveraging corporate media, ensuring that only approved information reaches the public.
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What are your final thoughts on mean, you know, it's certainly those groups all gettogether and try to discuss things, you know, so does the Sarasota County Republican
party.
So does, you know, all kinds of groups, the, the dairy association of America, right?
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They get together what's best for us.
And so do rich people do that with the Hildeberg group, Hildeberg group?
Yes.
Right.
They get together.
There's no doubt they do.
And you know, do they then make decisions that influence the world?
Yes.
Because they're powerful, rich people and they can determine, you know, Hey, do we crushBitcoin or do we, you know, try to take advantage of it?
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Right.
So, my guess is one of the conversations that's going on at this point.
And so.
so.
And the Jennifer has done such a great job.
Oh, my God.
And our microphones just.
And this cat's going to ruin it.
a little bit of a disaster in a previous taping of this.
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He's going to do it again.
Where he one of the cats jumped up here and knocked the cameras down.
I hope I answered that the, so, so I don't think there's any question they get together.
There's no question they communicate.
Are they elected and unelected and hired government employees who are making decisionsthat affect and impact the freedom of Americans to line their own pockets?
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That's how I define the deep state.
the answer to that is maybe.
Okay.
All right.
So that's obviously we're done with today.
You know, what we would like to know is whether you think it's a conspiracy or justgovernment as usual.
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One thing's clear that transparency matters for sure.
And of course, if you enjoyed this episode, please hit subscribe and let us know in thecomments, which of the theories do you think has merit and which are pure fiction?
So, you know, I'm excited to hear the comments, read the comments and
have discussions with people about it because, know, like I said, I don't know thatanybody knows the answer on a lot of these things until the government, unless
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the Epstein things with the Pambandi, we'll see, you know, if they decide to and what theydecide to release.
Okay.
All right.
So until next time, bye.
Take us out, Jennifer.
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I'm waiting for Nugget to...
Hi.
Great intro babe.
Yeah, happy Sunday.
All right, so here we're gonna be talking about conspiracy theories tonight, which youknow are one of my favorite things.
I do, and I'm excited and apprehensive about the topics.
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Okay.
no idea all right so what we do is we break down political news so it's easily digestibleand
and so I can understand, right?
I'm learning through this.
So today we are diving into Kash Patel.
He is the new Trump's new FBI director and his mission is to expose the deep state.
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So what is this deep state?
We're going to find that out.
And what conspiracy theories are tied to it?
We're going find that out.
So let's talk a little bit about Cash and what he, who he is.
So we know that he's the new FBI director for Trump and that he has made it his mission touncover deep state corruption.
He previously served as a national security council official, a counterterrorismprosecutor, and a key aide in the Trump administration.
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He was involved in investigating the FBI's handling of the Russia probe.
which made him a controversial figure He wants to declassify documents related to JFK9-eleven Epstein and other conspiracies and his appointment is controversial because some
see him as a truth-seeker and others as a political pawn So the first question to you iswhy are many Democrats concerned about cash but telling this role and what risks do they
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see well?
I wouldn't call him a political pawn.
I think he's a political disrupter and Democrats should be concerned because they havesystematically, going back to the Obama administration, weaponized government agencies.
And Elon Musk, Pam Bondi,
Cash Patel have all said they're bringing transparency.
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Probably the most, one month in, this is the most transparent presidential administrationhas been in modern history.
if...
if people have not done anything wrong or they have not manipulated government to attacktheir political opponents, they should have nothing to worry about.
But those who have, they probably should.
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should.
So conservatives argue that the deep state has been undermining Trump and America foryears.
So does Cash Patel finally give them an ally in exposing it?
Yeah, I think it's important to make sure we define what the deep state is.
We like to these terms.
most people use them loosely and broadly.
And I don't know that that's fair because there are people like myself who have beeninvolved in politics for 30 years who've been called rhino or establishment.
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don't know that anybody's called me deep state, but you're just one step away when you'vebeen involved as long as I have, right?
We'll have to Google that.
Jamie Miller deep state.
Hopefully not.
Somebody already has probably.
And so.
but there are good government employees who've been involved for a long time.
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And so I think we have to define deep state or how I define deep state is someone who iselected or unelected, appointed,
hired, who makes decisions that impact negatively the American people while enrichingthemselves in one way or another, whether that's financial or whether that's power,
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whatever that is.
And so.
they're making decisions as somebody who's making deep state decision is putting Americansat risk to benefit themselves.
And that to me is, is probably where we need to start the conversation.
I'd love to hear in the comments and read the comments of
what other people, how they define deep state.
Because I think it is a broad term.
And when we're talking about this as a major.
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domestic policy, you know, dismantling the deep state, think we need to start with what,how, how we define that.
Okay.
So when I asked AI, what deep state means or what it is, the deep state is
a supposed network of unelected officials, intelligence agencies, corporations, and elitescontrolling policy behind the scenes.
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Some dismiss it as paranoia.
Others believe it influences elections, wars, and financial systems.
Patel wants to reveal its hidden influence.
So both major parties have been linked to the deep states activities.
Democratic links are some point to JFK assassinations, the Obama administrationsurveillance expansion,
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and ties to intelligence agencies.
The Republican links are the Bush administration's roles in the post 9-11 policies, theCIA's involvement in foreign and
interventions, and Trump's battles with intelligence agencies.
Fuel claims that deep state influence exists across both party lines.
So is the idea of a deep state just an excuse for certain politicians to dodgeaccountability, or is there legitimacy to these concerns?
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Well, I think there's definitely legitimacy to the concerns.
That certainly is a broader definition than what I just presented.
You know, because we've seen already in
in the resistance of bureauc bureaucracy against Donald Trump, mid level or even low levelgovernment employees saying they are not going to enact Trump's policies.
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So under that definition, that low level employee is part, what's that?
governor of Maine?
Well, yeah, the governor of Maine.
But we're even talking about low-level people within the Department of Agriculture orUSAID who's just like, we're not going to implement-
Donald Trump's policies.
Well, you're an employee.
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so employees who don't implement the CEO's policies get fired.
And so that's where they're at.
And so, so that is a broader term and that may be a correct term as well, because, know,we've.
people get government jobs and they see them as lifetime appointments and they're not, youknow, and I wrote in the blog in Substack reasonable arguments that, you know, we have,
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when a corporation lays people off, they almost inevitably, and I that show data to backit up, inevitably end up at laying off 18.5 % of their employees.
And we're not even close to that.
Elon Musk is not close to that, Doge isn't close to that.
They're like, oh, we have massive layoffs over, we're gonna have a massive layoff set inthe Department of Defense, we're gonna have eight to 10%.
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administrative employees, not even all employees, just administrative employees.
And so, um, you know, so it's a, it's, I think there's a lot of people who are blowingthis way out of proportion to, um, you know, for political purposes, as far as the layoffs
go.
You had about four questions in there, I may be answered one or two.
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So, So the next question would be many conservatives argue that the FBI, the CIA and mediaare part of a larger scheme to control public opinion.
Uh, do we have any proof of this?
So, so yeah, big corporations, big, big, powerful, you know, defense contractors, all, youknow, money talks, right?
And so, um, you know, it's been said.
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many times that, you know, money is the mother's milk of politics and never heard it.
Of course, I might want to go that way.
But it's been out there for, let's say, 100 years.
OK.
So that money is what keeps the gears greased, so to speak, in politics and government.
And so one thing that happens is because big corporations
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you know, they influence, you know, popular culture, you know, whether that's throughadvertising.
whether that's through the TV shows that are written, you know, advertisers have a big sayin what is said and how, who are the actors on TV shows.
And, um, and so a lot of those things, whether that TV show is DEI or not is drivenlargely by, you know, advertisers, by big corporations.
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And so.
So that then permeates popular culture.
so is that deep state or is that just a corporation trying to make more money?
And so is that the chicken or the egg?
Certainly the military complex, but on the Democrat side, you could say the environmentalprotection complex, right?
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There's a huge, the solar energy complex that was a big push under Barack Obama and...
you know, we ended up spending $5 billion and no solar panels.
And so we're at $5 billion.
I mean, there's lots of conspiracy theories of what, you know, we have enough facts toknow that there's probably a conspiracy somewhere.
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Yeah, don't, you know, then the theory is we're, you know, we can all speculate.
Right.
And so hopefully,
the transparency we see out of Patel and Bondi and others will clarify some of that.
Okay.
Um, many conservatives, and I already did.
it if the deep state exists how can the average person see its effects in everyday life?
see it through advertising.
think you see it through television.
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You certainly see it through, um, you can see if it exists and exists on both sides.
think if it exists, it exists on both sides and, uh, you have a disruptor like DonaldTrump, both sides will try to wait them out.
Right?
Like we know that if you want to call it the deep state of Congress, Nancy Pelosiillegally impeached.
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the president of the united states in his first term knowing that the information she wasacting on was false she knew that that information was false and she decided to act anyway
and so to impeach the president you want to talk about overthrowing the government that'strue that's an attempt to overthrow the government and
But if it exists, people could see it in the stock market.
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Certainly gas prices, food prices.
things like that that people see every day.
Okay.
So the first conspiracy that we're going to talk about is the 9-11.
And this is one that you and I have had many conversations about because I truly believethat this was set up by our government and
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I don't think that you do because you lost somebody in 9-11.
so it's definitely a question.
So obviously some believe that 9-11 was an inside job or allowed it to happen for warprofits.
So let's talk about the different areas.
So twin towers, theories include controlled demolition, the presence of thermite and freefall collapse speeds.
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There's no doubt planes hit it, but there was other things that were happening.
in the floors below that made them fall completely down.
The Pentagon, some claim that damage does not match a Boeing 757 impact and surveillancefootage is limited.
If a plane didn't hit it, where did it go?
Where did that plane go?
And every video that I've seen with the Pentagon literally looks like a missile hittingit, not a plane.
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Well, that's the argument is that it's coming in solo and horizontal, right?
But every plane lands low and horizontal.
So, you maybe had a more experienced pilot there.
You know, I did lose somebody in the plane on the Pentagon, a colleague from the recount.
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I have no doubt that she died in a plane that hit the Pentagon.
Flight 93 officially crashed due to passenger
resistance, but some suggest that was shot down by the military.
100.
% believe that it was shot down by the military.
Not that those people weren't heroes in trying to take the plane down, but that's what Itruly believe.
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I don't know that that argument's relevant one way or the other.
There's no question that passengers on Flight 93 banded together to try to take the flightdown if the call had to be made where our
Our military personnel were ordered to take down a commercial flight and I think they weregiving green lights to do that.
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I don't know if that's unclassified or not, but my guess is that it was.
And, when they say, there's still a fourth plane out there and it's coming to hit theCapitol or the white house.
And I knew people in the white house and the Capitol that day who evacuated.
And you know, obviously there's real fear.
knowing that two planes had hit the World Trade Center, East World Trade Center tower andthe Pentagon.
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And so...
you know, so if in fact, our military was given that order, I feel really, horrible forthe pilot.
If that is in fact the case, but there's no, there's no question, question, that thosepeople on that flight were heroes.
They made, they made the.
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conscious decision to sacrifice themselves right and so i don't think regardless of whatcomes out there that doesn't change the fact that the people on that flight had banded
together and decided to take put our country ahead of their own lives yeah
So the next one for 9-11 was Larry Silverstone.
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So Larry Silverstein's who was the leaseholder for the World Trade Center's, the TwinTowers, he had purchased a lease insurance policy on the World Trade Center just months
before 9-11 and took out, or it,
he purchased the lease I'm sorry purchased the lease for the World Trade Center justmonths before 9-11 and took out an insurance policy that specifically covered terrorist
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attacks and after the tax he received a payout of 4.5 billion dollars.
that the insurance policy only
cover terrorist attacks or was it a rider that included terrorist attacks or
know that I can we can I'm sure we're going to find that out.
But it definitely includes it was specific to terrorist attacks.
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That was part of it.
So the question the question is now my question really is and you're not going to knowthis but what I'm bringing up tonight is where did the money go so the new towers were
partially funded by approximately 1 billion of the insurance money.
The state of New York provided an additional 250 million
and the port authority agreed to contribute one billion.
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So this leaves the question of where did the other 3.55 billion?
Sorry to rebuild the to rebuild the World Trade Center was only 2.5 billion?
That's what that's being reported.
Yeah.
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Well, and we also know because we watched a YouTube of
um,
Her name was, and her name just completely went out of my mind, but I'll get it.
But she worked for the CIA and.
enough research on that person to mention her or whether she was, she, she was part ofthis.
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She knew because of her department that these attacks were being planned as far as, asearly as June in 2001 or whatever this was.
her question that the facts were planned probably way longer than June of 2000.
But we knew about it.
We knew about it.
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But if you know, this is another thing of unclassifying.
information.
How many, how many attacks of things do we know about?
How many turn out to be true and we stop them and how many do they run down and they endup not being true?
And so.
you know, the question becomes, you know, if you knew that the people were going to hijackplanes, know, was there some level of...
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of
protection that could have come in to ensure that that didn't happen.
Locking the pilot doors, for instance.
Well that so that that that's a whole different thing because the the pilots aren'tnecessarily who they say they are and we'll get into that later here too, but and I'll put
the link to the Susan Lindauer's video because she specifically says that she had
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reached out to many many people and because she was actually put under the Patriot Act forcoming forward and being a whistleblower, she actually has thousands of hours of
conversations between her and people in Congress telling them of these things that weregoing to happen.
Her boss walked away with 14 million dollars after this happened and he was the head ofthe CIA.
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So I'll link that and that's a whole different discussion.
I think I watched most of that video and I questioned her credibility So, you know, I'mnot saying she's not credible.
I've never heard of her before you asked me to watch this video, which was extremelyboring but if you
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You know, I'd love to hear what other people think, to be honest with you, put the link,put the link in there and I'd love to hear what other people think about it.
But I, I, I think I even said to you something like, wow, this is, you know, I've heardthis story from, you know, tens or dozens of people, not maybe not about nine 11, but
about something.
And it's just, I'm not sure, you know, through my career, you run across people and maybeit's true.
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Maybe it's not.
I try to take everybody at face value.
I'll take her at face value.
Yeah.
Okay.
So why do people believe government incompetence rather than conspiracy that explains 9-11failures?
Because that's what it would be.
If they knew that this was happening, which there's, I think there's documented proof thatthey knew that this was happening.
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How are they?
how are they okay with government and confidence then?
Well, I agree with you.
The, you know, we were in the switch of a president, you know, George W was inaugurated inJanuary of 2001.
This happens nine, less than nine months later.
I'm not saying that he's not responsible because he's a president of United States, right?
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The of a president.
And so, and they, and that, that also, you know, is one of the conspiracies is that, youknow,
father had this discrepancy with Saddam Hussein.
Are you taking my stuff?
I don't know your stuff, so should I wait on that?
I'll wait on that.
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Excuse me.
I guess we're going to get to that later.
And so, yeah.
So, so it's, not saying, I'm not trying to say that he wasn't responsible, but, but Icould say that, you know, when you're, we see this now we're one month in from, Donald
Trump.
Cash Patel, the FBI director, a pretty important position, was just confirmed.
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Right?
So, you know, there is a level of, hey, I don't care who you are.
You know, everyone's like, you should be, you know, somehow having the experience ofrunning a government agency to government agency, but to run a government agency.
But there's very few people who've run the FBI or I think Cash Patel.
different than president though.
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think Cash Patel's maybe the ninth person to run the FBI.
But are you saying that in the same way as someone becoming president and not knowing ninemonths later?
I'm saying there's a lot of information you have to take-
in and there's a lot of information that you have to discern of whether what is true andwhat is not.
And you know, was there, I could see that, you know, in the George W administration orespecially George W had at that, especially in 2001 had a level of bravado.
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Right.
Of course, they're not going to attack the United States.
They know what's coming.
Right.
And so I'm not saying that's what happened.
I'm just saying that it could have been that, you know, is it incompetence?
Well, maybe if bravado is incompetence, maybe, but, uh, was it a conspiracy theory?
Maybe, maybe that is maybe there were charges in the world trade center and this guy whohas the lease out for four or the insurance for four and a half billion blew it up.
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Who knows?
I mean, I, I,
You know, I don't know that I know any more than anyone else.
So I'm not trying to say somebody's right or somebody's wrong.
but the lady that I saw on the YouTube, I questioned her credibility.
Of course.
But, okay, so what role did intelligence failures play in allowing the attacks to happen?
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And was it intentional?
Well, do we know that the intelligence failures, right?
And so, and that's one of those things that we kind of kicked it off.
how much...
should the government keep from people and for how long, let's say with the JFKassassination.
So now, you know, if JFK is going to last 60 years,
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well, are we going to have 9-11 at, wait till 60 years before we know the full truth?
I don't know.
I think we're gonna find it out in the next four years, for sure.
I would rather find it out because I think people need to know.
you know, whether their government is undermining their ability to have freedom.
Right.
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Okay.
So if there was a cover up, what would be the government's motive?
hiding the truth?
There's lots of lots of motives, you know, whether it's as simple as getting reelected byGeorge W.
Bush or whether it's.
money going to different places or, know, the worst of conspiracy theories is that, know,Dick Cheney was behind it and it was to start a war so that he could enrich himself, you
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know?
So, I don't know that any of those things are true.
have no personal knowledge that any of those things are true, but that would be.
you know worst case scenarios as far as I'm concerned if you know somebody like the vicepresident was had knowledge or was responsible
for it and covered it up to, um, send young men to war and enrich himself.
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Okay.
Um, so the next one we're going to talk about is Jeffrey Epstein.
Well, we made a jump there.
the blackmail networks.
So we know that Epstein was involved in an elite sex trafficking ring.
Some believe he was working for intelligence agencies to blackmail politicians andcelebrities.
And his mysterious death also
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still raises major red flags, because he was killed in prison.
He died in prison.
He hanged, yeah.
He died in prison.
So what do we know for sure about Epstein's connections to powerful people?
so we know so we have pictures does does that necessarily mean that people were involved imean it's like a ditty thing right it's just
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it's like any politician, know, I Have pictures with politicians who don't know my name,right?
Does that mean that they carry?
Every blight that I have with me into their future.
No, it shouldn't
you know, but, you know, a lot of wealthy people get a lot of pictures, know, atfundraisers, you know, I got a fundraiser, you know, and you've been, you've been there,
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you know, despite your lack of politics, you've been through a couple of
grip and grin photo lines.
McCarthy speaker McCarthy was one of them.
I think that conversation lasted eight words.
Right.
So, so we have a picture with McCarthy.
Does that make us.
good or bad?
Does that make him worse because he knows us or us worse because we know him?
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Just because there's a picture.
you know, the pictures I've seen appear to be in public places, not even private homes,like private party homes.
seem to be in public places or public type events, fundraising type events.
There's certainly more to the story because...
Okay, well that that leads me into my next question.
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So is it possible that Epstein was working with intelligence agencies to control elites?
It's certainly possible.
It's certainly possible.
Um, you know, you know, is it probable?
I don't know.
Um, you know, was he just, um, you know, what was the, what was Epstein's?
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I don't know that we'll ever know Epstein's motivation.
Hopefully we find a money trail somewhere that kind of says, you know, maybe somebody waspaying him for X, Y, or Z.
And that would enlighten some of us on how.
you know, deep the corruption goes in our government in Hollywood.
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Um, why haven't we seen the full Epstein fine list?
And do you think that there's two, there's two things.
Yeah.
So there's two things.
One, I go back to the Ashley Madison list, right?
So there's, if in fact this is, you know, all these folks,
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all were in Epstein Island, all naked, all naked at the same time squirting baby oil oneach other, doing crazy things, you know, um, so the whole thing was with children.
That's the whole, well, yeah.
If people, if people were, were, if it was with children, they should be arrested and, andjailed.
That there should be no statute of limitations.
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You know, I don't know.
what the rules are on this island that exists off the coast or whatever, but, those folksshould be run out of town on a rail and at the very least, probably thrown in prison for
the rest of their lives.
If, if there's proof that people were having sex with children, I don't think there'sjust, there's just no quarter for that.
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Just no none.
And, and I don't think the American people will accept that at all.
And so.
Now the question becomes, you know, like Ashley Madison, which is not children.
So let's take children out of it for the moment.
Um, you know, there were, you know, when you looked at the math, when the Ashley Madisonbreach happened and, and you had all of these folks, all these men who were on Ashley
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Madison and you have a total of, forget what I, what I told you, was so it's a.
crazy stat.
Like if you just say, okay, just men between the age of 20 and 60 in the United States, inAmerica, we're on the list.
You know, it's like one out of every three or four men were actively on Ashley Madison.
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It's incredible, you know, and so when that came out, there were reporters who said,there's
so-and-so's profile.
There's the, all these politicians in Florida, especially, that I was aware of, notnationally, but that, reporters would say, they're on this.
They had profiles and they're in the X, Y, and Z.
And reporters decided, you know, it's their personal life and their adults.
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there's just, it turned out to be too many of them, right?
Like there's just so many of them.
And so what do you do?
You take down the government through sex scandal.
And, you know, we didn't take down a president because of a sex scandal.
And we didn't even take down a president for lying.
to Congress about a sex scandal.
(29:03):
and so Bill Clinton so if it doesn't include children and it includes hundreds ofthousands of very popular names does the public say wow they just included everybody and
they shrugged like they did the public shrugged over Ashley Madison and
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you know, because it was just so large, they couldn't consume it almost.
Totally different.
I think you're comparing apples to oranges.
I could be, but I just, you know, when you I think you're throwing in sex with children,which that certainly brings a level of.
But that's what it is.
It's sex trafficking.
That's the whole thing.
Brings in a level of criminal activity.
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Yeah.
OK.
Actually, Madison was on criminal activity.
There's adults doing things outside of their marriage, right?
So so.
if people conducted criminal activity, hope Pam Bondi does not.
release the list.
I hope she just makes arrests, just starts arresting people if she has proof that they hadsex with children.
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Why release the list?
And I think that may be kind of what's going on internally is, you know, Hey, instead ofreleasing the list and having these folks folks go and protect themselves in the court of
public opinion, let's go arrest them and charge them.
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with having sex with underage children or trafficking or contributing to the traffickingof children across international lines.
It's a crime and so Pam Bondi is there to to prosecute crimes and so I hope that it is onher desk.
I hope that if there's crimes that were committed by powerful people in Hollywood andCongress that she does not release the list and just makes a right
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so let's move on to JFK.
So the questions are, was JFK assassinated by a lone gunman or larger conspiracy?
Theories involve the CIA, mafia, military, industrial complex, and the LBJ.
Recently uncovered files suggest intelligence involvement.
So why is the US government still withholding JFK documents?
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No idea.
know, it's likely has to do with the nature of some of the information.
You know, the one thing that brings me some satisfaction is Pam Bondi said, you know, I'velooked at it and there's nothing there that's going to surprise anybody.
And you know, the one thing I know about Pam from knowing her for 15 years.
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is that she's an honest operator, you know, and
I'll take her out of her word until something proves me wrong.
Now, of course, everybody wants to see it.
And, you know, we've all seen the film of him moving forward and then it looks like hegets shot backwards, you know, shot from the front.
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you know, and it's certain, you know, all of that, you know, the Jack Ruby killing LeeHarvey Oswald, all of it just leads into this more conspiracy.
Right.
And so.
you know.
was, was Ruby paid was Ruby's family's paid.
He was supposedly mobbed up, which always kind of led to, you know, the speculation rightafter, was that, that it was the mob that killed JFK and then Lee Harvey Oswald had these
(32:38):
ties to Russia.
And so it just, you know, and I, you know, I'm, my conspiracy is that Russia has beeninfiltrating our colleges and, and,
elections since the 60s and so so it would not surprise me if it's you know, all that goesback to the russians Okay, was jfk's assassination a way for the deep state to remove a
(33:05):
president who was who threatened their power I don't think so because we all know now thatjfk was sneaking maryland monroe and others into his residence and they
to take down his presidency all they had to do was release that information they didn'thave to kill him and you know in 1964, 65 whatever year he was assassinated he was that
(33:30):
was seen as not conduct of a president and so that had become public
that would have ended his presidency.
Okay.
So some of the other deep state theories is the military industrial complex, perpetualwars for profit, big pharma and COVID-19 population control versus public health, UFOs,
(33:55):
secrecy, government hiding alien technology, and election fraud, your 2020 electionconspiracies.
So.
are some of these just distractions used to manipulate voters?
So yeah, you threw a lot out there.
So I guess I won't discuss them in particular, but are they distractions to manipulatevoters?
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I think that at times they become distractions to, so people will not, will avoid seeingwhat may be happening, whether it's internationally or, or whatever, you know?
And so, you know, for instance, there was an election in Germany and they just elected aconservative.
(34:36):
coalition government.
And what does that mean?
Do people care about it?
I know you don't, but, but I kind of a major impact on how Europe moves forward with thewar in Ukraine and Russia and how Europe, you know, coalesces behind the, you know, the
third largest economy in the world in Germany.
(34:59):
And, you know, so that Germany still has a huge economic influence over the EU and.
how does that impact the United States when you have the new?
German, I think it's Chancellor, not Prime Minister, the German Chancellor say thingslike, you know, well, we're going to kind of be an anti-Trump, you know, so we'll see.
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Our intelligence agencies actively working to suppress conservatives.
There's no question.
You know, it'll depend.
There's no question that Obama weaponized government.
had to include the intelligence agencies.
And maybe for the first time in our history, we'll prove that, that we were using ourintelligence agencies against the American people.
(35:52):
hope not.
but I, my, my suspicion is we know for a fact.
that Obama overtly used the IRS to weaponize against conservative groups and people.
And so my speculation is that we will find out more that there are more ways in whichObama and then Biden weaponize these agencies against conservatives.
(36:19):
Okay.
How do we separate legitimate concerns from conspiracy rabbit holes?
I think it's important to say that, these are concerns, regardless of whether theconspiracy is true or not.
And so I think sometimes, for instance, there was another round of, from Maricopa County,the sheriff had a press conference a week ago about Barack Obama's birth certificate.
(36:48):
Now, my speculation is that Barack Obama was likely born in Hawaii, but he maybe wasborn...
You know, he may be three years older than what he claims because he wanted to ensure thatthere wasn't any conflict and that he was born after Hawaii was a state and he may have
been born in Hawaii prior to it becoming a state.
Right.
So, so like, could be just that, but everybody's made it into this huge, much biggertheory of, um, you know, I mean, I have my birth certificate, you have yours.
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does Barack Obama not have his birth certificate?
Right.
And so, um,
and then there's the confusion over the records and all that other stuff.
So, but here, here we're still chasing that down.
For what reason?
Like it's, what does that prove?
Okay.
I guess it would prove he wasn't qualified to be president, but the truth of the matter ishe was, we're not going to go remove the appointees from him from his us Supreme court
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because they were confirmed by the Senate.
Right.
So.
that's why we have the balance of power.
That's why we have the separation of government, the three branches of government.
And my speculation is that he was probably born in Hawaii.
may have been older than what he was.
so somebody changed the date on a birth certificate to make it ensure that he was lookedlike he was born after Hawaii state, you know, you know, so why do we chase who cares at
(38:18):
this point?
Right.
And.
he became the president of United States.
and he certainly, uh, you know, are we going to strip them of his, uh, respond rights as aformer president?
I mean, I guess we could, I don't know that that's good for the country, um, to take awayhis secret service detail and thing.
(38:39):
He still served eight years as president of the United States.
Okay.
So one of the things I wanted to know about and not that this is something that you cananswer, but something that I looked into.
was, you know, when I, I,
reading about the deep state and all of that, how are these people communicating?
Is it like a secret door somewhere and a secret lock?
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What is it?
So what I found is that there are back channels and private networks.
So officials and elites may use encrypted messaging like signal, proton mail.
And signal is actually funny because this is the second time I've heard it.
The first time I heard it was when the Department of Education
board chief or whatever his name is was being reported from a reporter being told that hewas undermining Trump.
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everything down and his people were still talking through signal.
Proton mail and secure satellite phones to communicate outside of channels or outside ofofficial channels.
Corporate and intelligence networks.
So intelligence agencies and multinational corporations provide avenues for clandestinediscussions.
protected under national security laws.
(39:52):
Obviously the secret meetings and organizations groups like the Bilderberg group, neverheard of it, Council on Foreign Relations and World Economic Forum allow high level
discussions between political and financial elites and of course media influence.
So some people or some believe deep state operatives control mainstream narratives byleveraging corporate media, ensuring that only approved information reaches the public.
(40:17):
What are your final thoughts on mean, you know, it's certainly those groups all gettogether and try to discuss things, you know, so does the Sarasota County Republican
party.
So does, you know, all kinds of groups, the, the dairy association of America, right?
(40:38):
They get together what's best for us.
And so do rich people do that with the Hildeberg group, Hildeberg group?
Yes.
Right.
They get together.
There's no doubt they do.
And you know, do they then make decisions that influence the world?
Yes.
Because they're powerful, rich people and they can determine, you know, Hey, do we crushBitcoin or do we, you know, try to take advantage of it?
(41:05):
Right.
So, my guess is one of the conversations that's going on at this point.
And so.
so.
And the Jennifer has done such a great job.
Oh, my God.
And our microphones just.
And this cat's going to ruin it.
a little bit of a disaster in a previous taping of this.
(41:27):
He's going to do it again.
Where he one of the cats jumped up here and knocked the cameras down.
I hope I answered that the, so, so I don't think there's any question they get together.
There's no question they communicate.
Are they elected and unelected and hired government employees who are making decisionsthat affect and impact the freedom of Americans to line their own pockets?
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That's how I define the deep state.
the answer to that is maybe.
Okay.
All right.
So that's obviously we're done with today.
You know, what we would like to know is whether you think it's a conspiracy or justgovernment as usual.
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One thing's clear that transparency matters for sure.
And of course, if you enjoyed this episode, please hit subscribe and let us know in thecomments, which of the theories do you think has merit and which are pure fiction?
So, you know, I'm excited to hear the comments, read the comments and
have discussions with people about it because, know, like I said, I don't know thatanybody knows the answer on a lot of these things until the government, unless
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the Epstein things with the Pambandi, we'll see, you know, if they decide to and what theydecide to release.
Okay.
All right.
So until next time, bye.
Take us out, Jennifer.
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