March 3, 2025 • 28 mins
Recorded March 3, 2025
In this electrifying conversation, Jennifer and guest host Danni Miller dive deep into the swirling political landscape, zeroing in on the explosive meeting between President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelensky. They tackle the critical issues of transparency in the Trump administration, the vital role of political awareness among citizens, and the savvy negotiation tactics in international politics. The chat also shines a light on Zelenskyy's fascinating background as a performer and the significant implications of his actions amid the war in Ukraine. The hosts passionately advocate for open dialogue and understanding in political discussions, encouraging listeners to embrace diverse perspectives.
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00:00 Introduction to Political Passion
02:40 Transparency in Politics
05:13 The Trump-Zelensky Interview
07:46 Negotiation Tactics and Leadership
10:44 Zelensky's Background and Image
13:04 The Role of Media in Politics
15:46 The Financial Aspects of War
18:25 Public Perception and Political Discourse
21:20 Conclusion and Future Outlook
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(00:52):
reasonable arguments is going to look and sound a little bit different today.
Jamie is not here, but I have my co-host from a podcast that we do along with our friendKrista.
It's called Fierce AF.
So find us.
Definitely not about politics.
We may throw it in a little bit, but definitely a fun place to be.
But I have my friend, Danny Miller with me today, not related to Jamie.
(01:13):
Just happens to be another Miller.
who is, she is extremely passionate about politics and as well as teaching me as we goalong.
So welcome, Danny, to the show.
I am no Jamie Miller, let me assure you, I will do my best and it'll be full of opinionsfor sure.
Definitely, probably not as reasonable as Jamie.
(01:35):
But it's, yeah, but it, but you will do great.
have no doubt.
All right.
So I, I wanted to do this because everything that is going on was Zelinsky and everythingthat happened in the Oval Office.
Now I, everybody knows that I hate politics.
I am getting reeled in.
mean, and now it's like to the point where I'm having heart palpitations watching all ofthis unfold.
(01:56):
But.
to our world.
I said to Jamie, I'm like, why do people do this?
Is it like the euphoria of how everything feels?
Like I'm ready to be admitted to the hospital and.
I love that they are doing it though, because I think for so long, people have not had anypulse or any heartbeat about what is going on in their country.
And I think after the last four years, it's especially important now that we do figure outwhat's going on.
(02:19):
Even though we only know small details and what we get to see, it is so important that weare aware of what's going on with our country.
So how do you feel?
about the, the visibility as it is that that you know, the the Trump administration isbeing completely visible, or transparent with us about everything that's going on?
(02:40):
I mean, I think we're only going to be ever allowed to know what they want us to know.
I think as far as the Trump campaign goes and the Trump administration goes, they'repretty dang transparent.
More than I think anyone in my lifetime, or at least since I've been paying attention.
mean, gosh, these hosts on all the networks can't even hardly get through their showwithout breaking news, breaking news.
(03:03):
so I love that because it appears that it is very transparent.
what I hope and pray for, that it is transparent.
With Doge having Elon get up there unscripted and talk, I think it's great.
I agree.
because it shows me, what I need to see, because like, everything else is just sosecretive, you hear everything through the news, and then, you know, you're not getting
(03:25):
the full picture, which is one of the points I'm going to bring up today is the interviewthat happened between Zelensky and Trump in the Oval Office.
So
if it depends on what news networks you watch, I try to be really fair.
It's really hard for me to watch MSNBC and CNN just because they aren't fair, they don'tcover, they cover what they think is important and you can see it.
(03:48):
When you watch other networks, you can see the real hard stops, what they have betweenwhat they want you to know about the Trump administration and what they don't.
So it is really hard if you're a person who just watches Fox or just watches MSNBC or CNN,you're never going to get the whole picture of everything.
And that you're the one that's limiting yourself for the transparency.
(04:10):
So, and the reason why I bring this up is because you had texted me saying, turn on FoxNews right now.
And so I turned on Fox News and it was right as the argument was going back and forth.
anybody tuning in at that moment, and from what I can see is that is the only parts thatsocial media is showing.
Seeing that, you do see where...
(04:33):
it looks like Zelensky may be being picked on, you know, that they're coming at him andwhatever.
So, but the one thing that I found was the full interview and I went back and I watchedit.
And at about 11 minutes and 58 seconds into that video is where Zelensky is clearly pokingthe bear.
okay, so let's rewind.
(04:54):
We know from social media that he had a meeting with Democrats.
There was a Republican leading it, which
I think we're thinking it was Lindsey Graham or whoever it was leading it, I'm not sure.
But at that point, they knew that Zelinsky was not signing the deal.
A post was made at 1115 on X.
(05:14):
time they knew that because Marco Rubio and JD both had a confirmed commitment from himfrom when they traveled to Europe.
And he said, yes, I will come to DC.
I will sign it.
And then he had the meeting with the Democrats and it didn't change.
Yes.
Right, so, okay, so he knowingly walked into that Oval Office and started the, you know,Trump started the interview.
(05:40):
And if you haven't seen it, I will put the link in with this podcast so you can see it.
Inform your own opinion, honestly, because he started off the interview, Trump was saying,look, I just want to end it, I want to ceasefire, I want peace, I want soldiers to stop.
is correct.
He's not.
dying, Trump really did start that meeting saying, you know, let's, let's end this, let'sfinish it.
(06:05):
And you know, signing the mineral deal was going to be the start of that.
Is the United States getting something back from that?
Of course, we're not going into this.
not getting some.
back $363 billion.
Yes.
And if you listen to Tucker Carlson, I was listening to a little bit, he has beentraveling there and he went to a ski resort and he said, it is plush with Ukrainians who
(06:29):
have so much money that they're just spending money left and right.
Well, whose money do you think that is?
It's not Ukrainians money.
Right.
I mean, where's all the money going to that's supposed to be going to the military forvehicles and everything?
Yes, exactly.
So moving into the interview, Trump is still just saying, need to finish this, we need tofix this, we need to protect everybody.
(06:52):
And someone asked him if he was aligned with Russia.
No, I'm not aligned with Russia.
You know, am I going to downright belittle Putin on national TV?
No, but exactly.
it's like any friendship or any negotiation.
You can't bad mouth somebody to the whole world and then expect that they're going totrust you one or even come to the table.
(07:19):
know, mean, Putin has been around a really long time.
He knows how to play this game and he is a bad guy.
And I'm pretty like a hundred percent sure that Trump agrees that he's a bad guy.
And I'm so tired of people saying,
he's just a Putin puppet and he's this and he's that.
He is a negotiator.
He wrote the art of the deal.
(07:39):
He knows how to get stuff done already.
Look today, it's a whole different scenario than it was on Friday.
Absolutely, and and the thing is is you know the saying is you know keep your friendscloser and your enemies or your friends close and your enemies closer And you know we can
only speculate that that's what's happening That's what I would do.
I mean, I'm not gonna sit there You know if Russia and China decide to make a deal.
(08:02):
We're screwed word We're screwed and so we need to make sure that that Russia believesthat we are you know going to
be on their side as much as we can to avoid any conflict that's gonna take us out.
Well, and it's the never Trumpers, right?
It's the people that are still in the same camp of we cannot give Trump any wins.
(08:25):
They don't care.
They don't care if it is at the expense of the country, of the American people, of theUkrainian people.
They don't care.
It's just like UK saying we're willing to put boots on the ground.
Well, they're willing to put boots on the ground because they're globalists.
They want World War III because that is beneficial to them in their eyes.
I can't for the life of me.
(08:45):
mean, I'm not a political person.
just recently in the last eight years have really become interested in it.
But you and I sitting here talking about it like normal people, like we get that you don'twant World War III.
We don't want to be putting these young men and women.
My 18 year old son went to Iraq for what?
(09:08):
know, I mean, in some...
Some moms, 18 year old sons didn't come back for no reason.
We don't want that.
And I don't believe for one second that Trump wants that.
But there are the never Trumpers and there are the people who are the warmongers that wantthat.
And so they're going to make it look like they're in Ukraine's corner specifically formoney.
(09:28):
And I think, you know, I think people really forget that Trump was already in office forfour years.
Nothing happened in those four years.
I mean, he didn't go out and, you know, bring Putin in as vice president.
He didn't do any of that stuff.
So why is it different now going forward that, you know, is it just because he won the
by a landslide and everybody is very upset that, he's gonna take away our rights, he'sgonna do this, he's gonna do that.
(09:54):
And now they have someone else that they can, he's a bully, he's picking on them, why arethey making fun of him?
Because he didn't wear a suit.
You are a leader of a country, right?
But begging for money and everybody's saying, well, he's at war.
you're at war so you don't respect anybody anymore.
(10:15):
mean, you're biting the hand that feeds you.
So let's get back to the interview.
So the interview...
he likes to dress funny because I've seen plenty of videos with him half naked dancingaround in heels and wearing weird costumes because he's a comedian.
He's not even really a politician.
And he saw an opportunity and he took it and he is not, he's not here for his country.
(10:40):
He came here to, he did not want that cash cow to end.
So there in lies,
You know, more reason for him to wear a suit and be respectful and just sit there andswallow your humble pie when Trump is talking to you.
And who wouldn't want to cease fire?
Come on.
Well, it's so it goes back.
So in the interview after, you know, Trump is doing all of this, they start talking about,you know, that Europe has given money and of course, Trump in his way says, well, you
(11:07):
know, they haven't given as much as we have.
And, you know, right at that point is when Zelensky was like, well, yeah, they're friendsand you know, we don't want to say anything bad about them.
I get that.
Let's not say anything bad about them.
But they did give a lot of money.
And Trump sat there and didn't say anything for a minute.
And then he's like, well, not as much as us.
And then Zelensky went right back in and they were literally going right in at each otherand it, you know, looking like it was a joking way, but Zelensky was like, yeah, they did.
(11:33):
And Trump's like, no, they didn't.
Yeah, they did.
And that was exactly when the whole thing just went downhill.
here, yes.
cringy.
was so, I just talk about being uncomfortable, but you know what?
I guess that's the nuts and bolts of negotiating.
And Trump allowed the American people to see what actually does go on behind the scenes,you know?
(11:54):
And he also allowed the American people, for the ones that are never Trumpers, they'renever gonna think it was, you know, was anything other than Trump being a jerk.
Trump allowed this to happen so that he could.
let the American people see how he was behaving like a little spoiled brat.
And yeah, I just I was it was so cringy and I just couldn't wait for it to get over.
(12:16):
I'm like, it's Friday at noon.
I need a drink after this.
was so intense, but I loved how they handled it.
This is what we voted for.
We didn't vote for the little guy saying yes, sure.
No problem.
We voted for the bull of the China China shop.
We voted for that.
And so far in the last 40 days or however long he's been in, he's done exactly what wesaid we wanted him to do.
(12:42):
I've never seen that before, except for his first administration.
But I have never seen, I'm 56 years old and I've never seen an administration actuallycome in and do the things that they say they're going to do.
And he doesn't be right before the American people.
yeah, and I mean, and I'm not going to say that Trump behaved perfectly in that interview.
I mean, it didn't need to be that back and forth.
(13:04):
Trump wants to take ownership of the things that he has done.
And, and number one has done for us, right?
He is doing it to protect us.
people every step of the way.
mean, he, every, his existence is nothing but a fight.
And he, it's so, and you're right, he didn't maybe handle it like some people would handleit, but he handled the way Trump handles it.
(13:26):
And then I think what really got him fired up was when Zelensky was being disrespectful toJD and JD was a rock star and he wasn't going to allow Zelensky to be disrespectful to
Trump and Trump was not going to allow.
Zelensky to be disrespectful to JD.
And I thought, what a team.
This is how we are supposed to be working.
That is leadership.
And that is how you lead the American people.
(13:49):
We've had we've had none of that for four years.
Agreed.
okay, so back to the interview we have, we so we now know that Zelinsky went in thereknowing he was not going to sign this deal.
So he's sitting there wasting all the time of all of these people that are there, whichagain is money spent for
of people, it was designed to get him in there and to get him to not sign it.
(14:12):
I don't think Lindsey Graham was in that meeting.
It very specifically says a group of Democrats.
I don't know.
Maybe you saw something different, okay.
I doubt it's, yeah, it could be Lindsey Graham because apparently he's, I mean, I don'tknow for a fact, but I've heard he's taken a lot of money from this deal, but.
But it was led or it was specifically to get him in the room to back out on that deal,which is just another case of them working against them.
(14:40):
So sorry.
Go ahead and talk about that.
exactly right.
here we are, you know, Democrats always say that we're dividing the country and everythinglike that.
But here you are, literally the same day doing this and making a mockery out of the WhiteHouse and the Oval Office.
So the interview ends, Zelensky goes away, and then on March 1st, he is now signing theUK-Ukraine deal for, I've read two things, I've read $2.26 billion, and then I've also
(15:09):
read $3.3 billion.
He has no desire to have a ceasefire.
He wants money.
that is, and anybody who's sitting there on social media that makes me crazy and, youknow, that all he wants to do is protect his company or country.
All he wants to do is, is have peace.
That is bullshit.
That is bullshit.
He is just raking in the money.
(15:31):
Yeah.
Honestly, I wouldn't even be surprised if he's in on it with Putin, to be honest with you.
mean, I did, but it does seem like it seems like that's what it's looking like to me.
You know, Putin is no dummy.
And, and, and there are, there are lots of pictures where Zelensky lived in Russia.
He lived there.
(15:52):
I mean, he knows Putin.
Personally and maybe Putin crossed him.
I don't know.
Maybe they're enemies, but it doesn't seem like that to me It doesn't seem like this isthe path of where they want to go, you know In ceasefire for either one of them because
the money you always follow the money
Yeah, and if they're extorting all of this money continuously from different countries,including us, what a brilliant idea.
(16:19):
Exactly.
they allowed the American people, because it's not our government.
See, American people who fund this, they allowed the American people to fund this forhowever many years and, you know, barely contributed anything.
And now all of sudden, because it might end, the globalists can't handle that.
They want it to go.
(16:40):
you're exactly right.
you made some a segue into Zelinsky's past.
So let's talk about Zelinsky's past.
And you had sent me sent a video this morning through TikTok.
Yeah, but so you sent a video showing it was Zelensky dancing, right?
He's dancing and know, a crop top and leather pants and heels and all of that.
(17:03):
And my response to you was is AI is so scary.
And then you sent a follow up video of a girl that lived in the Ukraine and I think shelived right on the border of Ukraine.
In Russia.
Mm-hmm.
she was talking about how Zelensky was a comedian.
He was a performer.
He he worked on a show Called and I I'll pull it up.
(17:26):
I forget what it was as He his role on the show for three years was as a president So hehas no official background of being a president.
He is a performer is exactly what he is and
Office on Friday.
Exactly my point.
That was all marketing.
He's bringing out the pictures of the prisoners and all of that.
(17:48):
was all.
Yes.
this propaganda tour where you just parade people right down there where you want them tosee, this is nonsense.
We don't believe it anymore and we're not gonna fall for it anymore.
Exactly.
So that has, I mean, that has to make people think and I, and I fact check this, like whenyou sent that I'm like, this cannot be true.
(18:09):
And I went out and any, any, I will tell you any, listen, I, yes, but I will tell you in,in specifically because of this podcast, I fact check everything just because I don't want
to get on there.
Number one, embarrassed Jamie by saying something stupid or posting something stupid.
their comments are so mean sometimes.
(18:29):
I'm like, are you a real person?
Because real people don't really say this hateful of a thing.
Last week, they called us drag queens.
Yes.
TikTok people can be mean.
So yeah, you don't want them, you want to fact check to make sure that they're not, youknow, we don't give them any room.
should see reasonable arguments comments.
I mean, we are getting 1,500, 1,800 views and these comments that are just, oh my God,brutal.
(18:57):
And all you can say is.
have thick skin, but I just think, wow, you need Jesus.
Yeah.
okay, so now here we are with, you know, America torn again, you know, just putting allthis kind of crap on the internet about Trump.
He's horrible.
He's a bully, and all of this stuff.
And, you know, probably don't they don't know anything about Zelensky's background.
(19:22):
I didn't.
And until I went and I looked and saw this kind of stuff, it just really, it's so, it'sconvenient the word that you are this actor, you are this marketing person, and you're
doing all of this publicity or whatever you want to call it to bring attention to what?
mean, it's, mean, his plan has really worked.
(19:44):
I mean, I'm sure he's a billionaire by now.
And you know, they, these, these never Trumpers and the people in America that hate thiswhole situation, they keep going on and on and on about how doge isn't everyone's going to
get ripped off and your money's going straight to, to Elon and he's a oligarch.
This is the epitome of an oligarch.
You know, I'm.
(20:05):
Well, and look at it.
I mean, you have the liberals out there who are, you know, supporting Zelensky andeverything like that.
They're not for gay marriage.
They're not for LGBTQ.
They're not for any of that.
They're taking men off the streets, grabbing them off the streets to put them in themilitary because they're losing so many people and nobody is wanting to go in.
(20:27):
Nobody is volunteering to go into the military because they're going to lose.
And
it's not they're not fighting.
There are a number of people probably that are fighting or initially were fighting fortheir country and they thought that this is a real war.
We really need to protect our wives and our mothers and our children.
And they thought that they were fighting for a cause.
And now they're they know better.
(20:48):
They know there's no cause anymore.
It's just to keep lining the pockets of the politicians and the people that are in powerin Ukraine and probably Russia.
Yeah, and they call Trump a dictator.
That's exactly what Zelensky is.
Zelensky is a dictator.
I think it's so eye-opening just to see, and I do want to reiterate to anybody thatwatches this, that I don't unfriend people.
(21:16):
I don't do that because we have different views.
Let's talk about it.
Excuse me, and one of the things that I see,
yes.
in a respectful manner.
And one of the things that I continuously see, and this happened last night on a Facebookpost of a friend, her daughter got involved and it was immediately attack an immediate
attack.
And, and finally after probably, I don't know, three hours of going back and forth and
(21:39):
I finally got her to a place where she calmed down and actually had a conversation.
And I said that to her, great.
Now it's not about, you well you voted for Trump, so you're going to get what you deserve.
Let's talk about it.
You think there's so many things wrong?
Tell me how you think it should be fixed.
we don't, from my side and my political view, I don't, the only thing I want is for ourcountry to survive and to be prosperous and to, you know, not die because we have so much
(22:10):
national debt that we can't pay it.
I don't want so many illegal people here that we have no idea who they are and where theycame from.
this is not, shouldn't, there's nothing to be angry or mad about unless it's.
Be angry or mad about the people who are trying to destroy the country or trying to takingyour money.
Why wouldn't you support Doge or the people who are trying to find waste, fraud and abuse?
(22:36):
Elon has, like Joe Rogan said, $400 billion.
He doesn't need our money and he's not going after our money.
He started PayPal.
He doesn't need our addresses or our phone numbers, our emails.
Shoot.
It's half the Democrats are the ones that dox people.
I've never seen a story where Republicans were so mad they went to a protest and starteddoxing people and putting their information up.
(23:00):
just had the most brilliant idea.
They should, give every American person an account where they see the dollar amount of howmuch we have either at the beginning of a presidency or wherever it may be, how much money
we start out at.
to when they pay their taxes, you even people in the middle class are paying 50, $60,000 ayear.
(23:23):
And just because they have no small children anymore, no, you know, not big write offs,they get screwed with taxes that take the $60,000 and give it to either the illegal
immigrants or to Ukraine, you know, and then they're mad about giving a, you know, a fewdollars to Israel to protect themselves.
(23:45):
having, yeah, imagine having like just an electronic thing that is connected to you.
You start off with a billion dollars and then each time the government takes money andsends it to a different country, you see it dwindling away, dwindling away.
Can you imagine, I mean, just imagine how...
transparent that would be, but then you would actually feel it.
(24:07):
These people that are complaining about this would actually then feel how much moneythey're losing because of it, because of the stuff.
don't...
so complacent.
for most of Americans, they pay their taxes through their workplace.
And so they don't really see it.
It's kind of like putting in a 401k in their mind.
know, it's not I'm going to write a check every single week and send it to the IRS, whichis maybe how it should be, because then they would see exactly, what's going on.
(24:34):
We, biweekly when they get paid.
Exactly.
So, do you have anything else that you want to bring up
no, I just do think we all need to take a deep breath.
I believe in my heart, you know, and I pray to, I believe that that God is making a movein our country.
And I believe that this is why, you know, we're not saying Trump is a God.
I just feel like God uses a vessel and he is, is giving us some chances.
(24:56):
And I believe that we need to take a breath because Trump isn't doing anything that hedidn't say every single week in his, in his campaign tour.
He.
was very transparent about what he wants to do and what he wants to get done.
I feel like he's put a phenomenal cabinet together.
I think we need to take a deep breath.
Americans have such short memories and we don't stick to it very long.
(25:17):
We need to stick to it.
We need to give him a break.
We need to let him do.
He's already done more in the first 35 days than most presidents do in their entireelected four years.
I just, really, my hope and my prayer is that we just
Take a deep breath and let him do it.
And then if he starts to do something that's really bad or awful that we can prove, thenyou do it.
(25:40):
But don't freak out because he puts Vladimir Zelensky in his place because he needs toknow his place.
He owes us.
And they're right.
He should have said thank you.
I say thank you.
Thank you, President Trump.
Thank you, JD Vance.
And I've said that to people on different posts.
if someone walks into your house or walks into your business and they disrespect you,you're throwing their ass out.
(26:02):
You're not gonna sit there and take it.
And it just, I don't know, it just.
the right to refuse service.
Yeah.
Well, this was a great conversation.
I agree and I thank you so much for coming on with me.
You know, it's
no Montel Williams, but you know, I have opinions and I'm not afraid to give them.
(26:24):
thank you.
Now this this has been fun.
And you know, it's it's it's funny for me because it's such a different feeling that I'venever felt before.
And, you know, just, my gosh, I you know, I guess I like I said, I, I'm the type of personthat I just I really truly want everybody to see both sides and to just not panic and to
(26:46):
just relax
Let's see what happens.
He's already run the country for four years.
Nothing crazy happened.
We've seen a lot uncover and I get that a lot of people are defensive It's dishearteningto see everything that happened in the last four years.
I truly believe in my heart that Trump has us at his best interest.
(27:09):
He wants to protect the United States period, end of story.
That's it.
And he doesn't want war.
He is not a warmonger.
He wants peace and peace through strength.
And you have to prove and you have to show that we are strong and that we're united.
Even if you're a never Trump-er, know, try to look for the good things, try to look forthe right things, because so far he is doing what's best for the country.
(27:32):
Even if you didn't vote for him.
You know, we had to, sucked it up for four years.
We don't get out there and protest and say, you know, fight, fight, fight and kill peopleand, you know, protest and burn buildings down.
We don't do that.
We sucked it up for four years and then we changed it.
And if you, if you feel that strongly about the Republican party not being in, in controlof the White House, then find a platform and change it.
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But until then support your country.
Yeah.
So, all right.
Have a great day.
reasonable arguments is going to look and sound a little bit different today.
Jamie is not here, but I have my co-host from a podcast that we do along with our friendKrista.
It's called Fierce AF.
So find us.
Definitely not about politics.
We may throw it in a little bit, but definitely a fun place to be.
But I have my friend, Danny Miller with me today, not related to Jamie.
(01:13):
Just happens to be another Miller.
who is, she is extremely passionate about politics and as well as teaching me as we goalong.
So welcome, Danny, to the show.
I am no Jamie Miller, let me assure you, I will do my best and it'll be full of opinionsfor sure.
Definitely, probably not as reasonable as Jamie.
(01:35):
But it's, yeah, but it, but you will do great.
have no doubt.
All right.
So I, I wanted to do this because everything that is going on was Zelinsky and everythingthat happened in the Oval Office.
Now I, everybody knows that I hate politics.
I am getting reeled in.
mean, and now it's like to the point where I'm having heart palpitations watching all ofthis unfold.
(01:56):
But.
to our world.
I said to Jamie, I'm like, why do people do this?
Is it like the euphoria of how everything feels?
Like I'm ready to be admitted to the hospital and.
I love that they are doing it though, because I think for so long, people have not had anypulse or any heartbeat about what is going on in their country.
And I think after the last four years, it's especially important now that we do figure outwhat's going on.
(02:19):
Even though we only know small details and what we get to see, it is so important that weare aware of what's going on with our country.
So how do you feel?
about the, the visibility as it is that that you know, the the Trump administration isbeing completely visible, or transparent with us about everything that's going on?
(02:40):
I mean, I think we're only going to be ever allowed to know what they want us to know.
I think as far as the Trump campaign goes and the Trump administration goes, they'repretty dang transparent.
More than I think anyone in my lifetime, or at least since I've been paying attention.
mean, gosh, these hosts on all the networks can't even hardly get through their showwithout breaking news, breaking news.
(03:03):
so I love that because it appears that it is very transparent.
what I hope and pray for, that it is transparent.
With Doge having Elon get up there unscripted and talk, I think it's great.
I agree.
because it shows me, what I need to see, because like, everything else is just sosecretive, you hear everything through the news, and then, you know, you're not getting
(03:25):
the full picture, which is one of the points I'm going to bring up today is the interviewthat happened between Zelensky and Trump in the Oval Office.
So
if it depends on what news networks you watch, I try to be really fair.
It's really hard for me to watch MSNBC and CNN just because they aren't fair, they don'tcover, they cover what they think is important and you can see it.
(03:48):
When you watch other networks, you can see the real hard stops, what they have betweenwhat they want you to know about the Trump administration and what they don't.
So it is really hard if you're a person who just watches Fox or just watches MSNBC or CNN,you're never going to get the whole picture of everything.
And that you're the one that's limiting yourself for the transparency.
(04:10):
So, and the reason why I bring this up is because you had texted me saying, turn on FoxNews right now.
And so I turned on Fox News and it was right as the argument was going back and forth.
anybody tuning in at that moment, and from what I can see is that is the only parts thatsocial media is showing.
Seeing that, you do see where...
(04:33):
it looks like Zelensky may be being picked on, you know, that they're coming at him andwhatever.
So, but the one thing that I found was the full interview and I went back and I watchedit.
And at about 11 minutes and 58 seconds into that video is where Zelensky is clearly pokingthe bear.
okay, so let's rewind.
(04:54):
We know from social media that he had a meeting with Democrats.
There was a Republican leading it, which
I think we're thinking it was Lindsey Graham or whoever it was leading it, I'm not sure.
But at that point, they knew that Zelinsky was not signing the deal.
A post was made at 1115 on X.
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time they knew that because Marco Rubio and JD both had a confirmed commitment from himfrom when they traveled to Europe.
And he said, yes, I will come to DC.
I will sign it.
And then he had the meeting with the Democrats and it didn't change.
Yes.
Right, so, okay, so he knowingly walked into that Oval Office and started the, you know,Trump started the interview.
(05:40):
And if you haven't seen it, I will put the link in with this podcast so you can see it.
Inform your own opinion, honestly, because he started off the interview, Trump was saying,look, I just want to end it, I want to ceasefire, I want peace, I want soldiers to stop.
is correct.
He's not.
dying, Trump really did start that meeting saying, you know, let's, let's end this, let'sfinish it.
(06:05):
And you know, signing the mineral deal was going to be the start of that.
Is the United States getting something back from that?
Of course, we're not going into this.
not getting some.
back $363 billion.
Yes.
And if you listen to Tucker Carlson, I was listening to a little bit, he has beentraveling there and he went to a ski resort and he said, it is plush with Ukrainians who
(06:29):
have so much money that they're just spending money left and right.
Well, whose money do you think that is?
It's not Ukrainians money.
Right.
I mean, where's all the money going to that's supposed to be going to the military forvehicles and everything?
Yes, exactly.
So moving into the interview, Trump is still just saying, need to finish this, we need tofix this, we need to protect everybody.
(06:52):
And someone asked him if he was aligned with Russia.
No, I'm not aligned with Russia.
You know, am I going to downright belittle Putin on national TV?
No, but exactly.
it's like any friendship or any negotiation.
You can't bad mouth somebody to the whole world and then expect that they're going totrust you one or even come to the table.
(07:19):
know, mean, Putin has been around a really long time.
He knows how to play this game and he is a bad guy.
And I'm pretty like a hundred percent sure that Trump agrees that he's a bad guy.
And I'm so tired of people saying,
he's just a Putin puppet and he's this and he's that.
He is a negotiator.
He wrote the art of the deal.
(07:39):
He knows how to get stuff done already.
Look today, it's a whole different scenario than it was on Friday.
Absolutely, and and the thing is is you know the saying is you know keep your friendscloser and your enemies or your friends close and your enemies closer And you know we can
only speculate that that's what's happening That's what I would do.
I mean, I'm not gonna sit there You know if Russia and China decide to make a deal.
(08:02):
We're screwed word We're screwed and so we need to make sure that that Russia believesthat we are you know going to
be on their side as much as we can to avoid any conflict that's gonna take us out.
Well, and it's the never Trumpers, right?
It's the people that are still in the same camp of we cannot give Trump any wins.
(08:25):
They don't care.
They don't care if it is at the expense of the country, of the American people, of theUkrainian people.
They don't care.
It's just like UK saying we're willing to put boots on the ground.
Well, they're willing to put boots on the ground because they're globalists.
They want World War III because that is beneficial to them in their eyes.
I can't for the life of me.
(08:45):
mean, I'm not a political person.
just recently in the last eight years have really become interested in it.
But you and I sitting here talking about it like normal people, like we get that you don'twant World War III.
We don't want to be putting these young men and women.
My 18 year old son went to Iraq for what?
(09:08):
know, I mean, in some...
Some moms, 18 year old sons didn't come back for no reason.
We don't want that.
And I don't believe for one second that Trump wants that.
But there are the never Trumpers and there are the people who are the warmongers that wantthat.
And so they're going to make it look like they're in Ukraine's corner specifically formoney.
(09:28):
And I think, you know, I think people really forget that Trump was already in office forfour years.
Nothing happened in those four years.
I mean, he didn't go out and, you know, bring Putin in as vice president.
He didn't do any of that stuff.
So why is it different now going forward that, you know, is it just because he won the
by a landslide and everybody is very upset that, he's gonna take away our rights, he'sgonna do this, he's gonna do that.
(09:54):
And now they have someone else that they can, he's a bully, he's picking on them, why arethey making fun of him?
Because he didn't wear a suit.
You are a leader of a country, right?
But begging for money and everybody's saying, well, he's at war.
you're at war so you don't respect anybody anymore.
(10:15):
mean, you're biting the hand that feeds you.
So let's get back to the interview.
So the interview...
he likes to dress funny because I've seen plenty of videos with him half naked dancingaround in heels and wearing weird costumes because he's a comedian.
He's not even really a politician.
And he saw an opportunity and he took it and he is not, he's not here for his country.
(10:40):
He came here to, he did not want that cash cow to end.
So there in lies,
You know, more reason for him to wear a suit and be respectful and just sit there andswallow your humble pie when Trump is talking to you.
And who wouldn't want to cease fire?
Come on.
Well, it's so it goes back.
So in the interview after, you know, Trump is doing all of this, they start talking about,you know, that Europe has given money and of course, Trump in his way says, well, you
(11:07):
know, they haven't given as much as we have.
And, you know, right at that point is when Zelensky was like, well, yeah, they're friendsand you know, we don't want to say anything bad about them.
I get that.
Let's not say anything bad about them.
But they did give a lot of money.
And Trump sat there and didn't say anything for a minute.
And then he's like, well, not as much as us.
And then Zelensky went right back in and they were literally going right in at each otherand it, you know, looking like it was a joking way, but Zelensky was like, yeah, they did.
(11:33):
And Trump's like, no, they didn't.
Yeah, they did.
And that was exactly when the whole thing just went downhill.
here, yes.
cringy.
was so, I just talk about being uncomfortable, but you know what?
I guess that's the nuts and bolts of negotiating.
And Trump allowed the American people to see what actually does go on behind the scenes,you know?
(11:54):
And he also allowed the American people, for the ones that are never Trumpers, they'renever gonna think it was, you know, was anything other than Trump being a jerk.
Trump allowed this to happen so that he could.
let the American people see how he was behaving like a little spoiled brat.
And yeah, I just I was it was so cringy and I just couldn't wait for it to get over.
(12:16):
I'm like, it's Friday at noon.
I need a drink after this.
was so intense, but I loved how they handled it.
This is what we voted for.
We didn't vote for the little guy saying yes, sure.
No problem.
We voted for the bull of the China China shop.
We voted for that.
And so far in the last 40 days or however long he's been in, he's done exactly what wesaid we wanted him to do.
(12:42):
I've never seen that before, except for his first administration.
But I have never seen, I'm 56 years old and I've never seen an administration actuallycome in and do the things that they say they're going to do.
And he doesn't be right before the American people.
yeah, and I mean, and I'm not going to say that Trump behaved perfectly in that interview.
I mean, it didn't need to be that back and forth.
(13:04):
Trump wants to take ownership of the things that he has done.
And, and number one has done for us, right?
He is doing it to protect us.
people every step of the way.
mean, he, every, his existence is nothing but a fight.
And he, it's so, and you're right, he didn't maybe handle it like some people would handleit, but he handled the way Trump handles it.
(13:26):
And then I think what really got him fired up was when Zelensky was being disrespectful toJD and JD was a rock star and he wasn't going to allow Zelensky to be disrespectful to
Trump and Trump was not going to allow.
Zelensky to be disrespectful to JD.
And I thought, what a team.
This is how we are supposed to be working.
That is leadership.
And that is how you lead the American people.
(13:49):
We've had we've had none of that for four years.
Agreed.
okay, so back to the interview we have, we so we now know that Zelinsky went in thereknowing he was not going to sign this deal.
So he's sitting there wasting all the time of all of these people that are there, whichagain is money spent for
of people, it was designed to get him in there and to get him to not sign it.
(14:12):
I don't think Lindsey Graham was in that meeting.
It very specifically says a group of Democrats.
I don't know.
Maybe you saw something different, okay.
I doubt it's, yeah, it could be Lindsey Graham because apparently he's, I mean, I don'tknow for a fact, but I've heard he's taken a lot of money from this deal, but.
But it was led or it was specifically to get him in the room to back out on that deal,which is just another case of them working against them.
(14:40):
So sorry.
Go ahead and talk about that.
exactly right.
here we are, you know, Democrats always say that we're dividing the country and everythinglike that.
But here you are, literally the same day doing this and making a mockery out of the WhiteHouse and the Oval Office.
So the interview ends, Zelensky goes away, and then on March 1st, he is now signing theUK-Ukraine deal for, I've read two things, I've read $2.26 billion, and then I've also
(15:09):
read $3.3 billion.
He has no desire to have a ceasefire.
He wants money.
that is, and anybody who's sitting there on social media that makes me crazy and, youknow, that all he wants to do is protect his company or country.
All he wants to do is, is have peace.
That is bullshit.
That is bullshit.
He is just raking in the money.
(15:31):
Yeah.
Honestly, I wouldn't even be surprised if he's in on it with Putin, to be honest with you.
mean, I did, but it does seem like it seems like that's what it's looking like to me.
You know, Putin is no dummy.
And, and, and there are, there are lots of pictures where Zelensky lived in Russia.
He lived there.
(15:52):
I mean, he knows Putin.
Personally and maybe Putin crossed him.
I don't know.
Maybe they're enemies, but it doesn't seem like that to me It doesn't seem like this isthe path of where they want to go, you know In ceasefire for either one of them because
the money you always follow the money
Yeah, and if they're extorting all of this money continuously from different countries,including us, what a brilliant idea.
(16:19):
Exactly.
they allowed the American people, because it's not our government.
See, American people who fund this, they allowed the American people to fund this forhowever many years and, you know, barely contributed anything.
And now all of sudden, because it might end, the globalists can't handle that.
They want it to go.
(16:40):
you're exactly right.
you made some a segue into Zelinsky's past.
So let's talk about Zelinsky's past.
And you had sent me sent a video this morning through TikTok.
Yeah, but so you sent a video showing it was Zelensky dancing, right?
He's dancing and know, a crop top and leather pants and heels and all of that.
(17:03):
And my response to you was is AI is so scary.
And then you sent a follow up video of a girl that lived in the Ukraine and I think shelived right on the border of Ukraine.
In Russia.
Mm-hmm.
she was talking about how Zelensky was a comedian.
He was a performer.
He he worked on a show Called and I I'll pull it up.
(17:26):
I forget what it was as He his role on the show for three years was as a president So hehas no official background of being a president.
He is a performer is exactly what he is and
Office on Friday.
Exactly my point.
That was all marketing.
He's bringing out the pictures of the prisoners and all of that.
(17:48):
was all.
Yes.
this propaganda tour where you just parade people right down there where you want them tosee, this is nonsense.
We don't believe it anymore and we're not gonna fall for it anymore.
Exactly.
So that has, I mean, that has to make people think and I, and I fact check this, like whenyou sent that I'm like, this cannot be true.
(18:09):
And I went out and any, any, I will tell you any, listen, I, yes, but I will tell you in,in specifically because of this podcast, I fact check everything just because I don't want
to get on there.
Number one, embarrassed Jamie by saying something stupid or posting something stupid.
their comments are so mean sometimes.
(18:29):
I'm like, are you a real person?
Because real people don't really say this hateful of a thing.
Last week, they called us drag queens.
Yes.
TikTok people can be mean.
So yeah, you don't want them, you want to fact check to make sure that they're not, youknow, we don't give them any room.
should see reasonable arguments comments.
I mean, we are getting 1,500, 1,800 views and these comments that are just, oh my God,brutal.
(18:57):
And all you can say is.
have thick skin, but I just think, wow, you need Jesus.
Yeah.
okay, so now here we are with, you know, America torn again, you know, just putting allthis kind of crap on the internet about Trump.
He's horrible.
He's a bully, and all of this stuff.
And, you know, probably don't they don't know anything about Zelensky's background.
(19:22):
I didn't.
And until I went and I looked and saw this kind of stuff, it just really, it's so, it'sconvenient the word that you are this actor, you are this marketing person, and you're
doing all of this publicity or whatever you want to call it to bring attention to what?
mean, it's, mean, his plan has really worked.
(19:44):
I mean, I'm sure he's a billionaire by now.
And you know, they, these, these never Trumpers and the people in America that hate thiswhole situation, they keep going on and on and on about how doge isn't everyone's going to
get ripped off and your money's going straight to, to Elon and he's a oligarch.
This is the epitome of an oligarch.
You know, I'm.
(20:05):
Well, and look at it.
I mean, you have the liberals out there who are, you know, supporting Zelensky andeverything like that.
They're not for gay marriage.
They're not for LGBTQ.
They're not for any of that.
They're taking men off the streets, grabbing them off the streets to put them in themilitary because they're losing so many people and nobody is wanting to go in.
(20:27):
Nobody is volunteering to go into the military because they're going to lose.
And
it's not they're not fighting.
There are a number of people probably that are fighting or initially were fighting fortheir country and they thought that this is a real war.
We really need to protect our wives and our mothers and our children.
And they thought that they were fighting for a cause.
And now they're they know better.
(20:48):
They know there's no cause anymore.
It's just to keep lining the pockets of the politicians and the people that are in powerin Ukraine and probably Russia.
Yeah, and they call Trump a dictator.
That's exactly what Zelensky is.
Zelensky is a dictator.
I think it's so eye-opening just to see, and I do want to reiterate to anybody thatwatches this, that I don't unfriend people.
(21:16):
I don't do that because we have different views.
Let's talk about it.
Excuse me, and one of the things that I see,
yes.
in a respectful manner.
And one of the things that I continuously see, and this happened last night on a Facebookpost of a friend, her daughter got involved and it was immediately attack an immediate
attack.
And, and finally after probably, I don't know, three hours of going back and forth and
(21:39):
I finally got her to a place where she calmed down and actually had a conversation.
And I said that to her, great.
Now it's not about, you well you voted for Trump, so you're going to get what you deserve.
Let's talk about it.
You think there's so many things wrong?
Tell me how you think it should be fixed.
we don't, from my side and my political view, I don't, the only thing I want is for ourcountry to survive and to be prosperous and to, you know, not die because we have so much
(22:10):
national debt that we can't pay it.
I don't want so many illegal people here that we have no idea who they are and where theycame from.
this is not, shouldn't, there's nothing to be angry or mad about unless it's.
Be angry or mad about the people who are trying to destroy the country or trying to takingyour money.
Why wouldn't you support Doge or the people who are trying to find waste, fraud and abuse?
(22:36):
Elon has, like Joe Rogan said, $400 billion.
He doesn't need our money and he's not going after our money.
He started PayPal.
He doesn't need our addresses or our phone numbers, our emails.
Shoot.
It's half the Democrats are the ones that dox people.
I've never seen a story where Republicans were so mad they went to a protest and starteddoxing people and putting their information up.
(23:00):
just had the most brilliant idea.
They should, give every American person an account where they see the dollar amount of howmuch we have either at the beginning of a presidency or wherever it may be, how much money
we start out at.
to when they pay their taxes, you even people in the middle class are paying 50, $60,000 ayear.
(23:23):
And just because they have no small children anymore, no, you know, not big write offs,they get screwed with taxes that take the $60,000 and give it to either the illegal
immigrants or to Ukraine, you know, and then they're mad about giving a, you know, a fewdollars to Israel to protect themselves.
(23:45):
having, yeah, imagine having like just an electronic thing that is connected to you.
You start off with a billion dollars and then each time the government takes money andsends it to a different country, you see it dwindling away, dwindling away.
Can you imagine, I mean, just imagine how...
transparent that would be, but then you would actually feel it.
(24:07):
These people that are complaining about this would actually then feel how much moneythey're losing because of it, because of the stuff.
don't...
so complacent.
for most of Americans, they pay their taxes through their workplace.
And so they don't really see it.
It's kind of like putting in a 401k in their mind.
know, it's not I'm going to write a check every single week and send it to the IRS, whichis maybe how it should be, because then they would see exactly, what's going on.
(24:34):
We, biweekly when they get paid.
Exactly.
So, do you have anything else that you want to bring up
no, I just do think we all need to take a deep breath.
I believe in my heart, you know, and I pray to, I believe that that God is making a movein our country.
And I believe that this is why, you know, we're not saying Trump is a God.
I just feel like God uses a vessel and he is, is giving us some chances.
(24:56):
And I believe that we need to take a breath because Trump isn't doing anything that hedidn't say every single week in his, in his campaign tour.
He.
was very transparent about what he wants to do and what he wants to get done.
I feel like he's put a phenomenal cabinet together.
I think we need to take a deep breath.
Americans have such short memories and we don't stick to it very long.
(25:17):
We need to stick to it.
We need to give him a break.
We need to let him do.
He's already done more in the first 35 days than most presidents do in their entireelected four years.
I just, really, my hope and my prayer is that we just
Take a deep breath and let him do it.
And then if he starts to do something that's really bad or awful that we can prove, thenyou do it.
(25:40):
But don't freak out because he puts Vladimir Zelensky in his place because he needs toknow his place.
He owes us.
And they're right.
He should have said thank you.
I say thank you.
Thank you, President Trump.
Thank you, JD Vance.
And I've said that to people on different posts.
if someone walks into your house or walks into your business and they disrespect you,you're throwing their ass out.
(26:02):
You're not gonna sit there and take it.
And it just, I don't know, it just.
the right to refuse service.
Yeah.
Well, this was a great conversation.
I agree and I thank you so much for coming on with me.
You know, it's
no Montel Williams, but you know, I have opinions and I'm not afraid to give them.
(26:24):
thank you.
Now this this has been fun.
And you know, it's it's it's funny for me because it's such a different feeling that I'venever felt before.
And, you know, just, my gosh, I you know, I guess I like I said, I, I'm the type of personthat I just I really truly want everybody to see both sides and to just not panic and to
(26:46):
just relax
Let's see what happens.
He's already run the country for four years.
Nothing crazy happened.
We've seen a lot uncover and I get that a lot of people are defensive It's dishearteningto see everything that happened in the last four years.
I truly believe in my heart that Trump has us at his best interest.
(27:09):
He wants to protect the United States period, end of story.
That's it.
And he doesn't want war.
He is not a warmonger.
He wants peace and peace through strength.
And you have to prove and you have to show that we are strong and that we're united.
Even if you're a never Trump-er, know, try to look for the good things, try to look forthe right things, because so far he is doing what's best for the country.
(27:32):
Even if you didn't vote for him.
You know, we had to, sucked it up for four years.
We don't get out there and protest and say, you know, fight, fight, fight and kill peopleand, you know, protest and burn buildings down.
We don't do that.
We sucked it up for four years and then we changed it.
And if you, if you feel that strongly about the Republican party not being in, in controlof the White House, then find a platform and change it.
(27:54):
But until then support your country.
Yeah.
So, all right.
Have a great day.
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