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July 5, 2025 58 mins

A discussion on how deeply intrenched the global military industrial complex is in the Australian politics and academic institutions, and on the direct and indirect complicity of the Australian government in arming the genocide in Gaza.

Margie Pestorius is a long time activist a co-founders of “Wage Peace”. She has been involved in anti-military work since the first gulf war. In 2016 she walked into Pine Gap to oppose the use of Pine Gap as a military operation base for war crimes.

Lil Barto has been organising for eight years across climate, anti-militarist, First Nations justice and abolitionist movements.

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