Bo Burnham’s YouTube origin story

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In 2006, a high schooler uploaded hisfirst video to YouTube, the video and
original musical composition regardinghis family's speculation regarding his
sexuality, quickly achieved virality.
Cementing the teen as one of thefirst musical stars, catapulting
his comedy career, and being one ofthe most famous comedians working
today with a highly acclaimedNetflix special, but his mainstream

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stardom all its cracked up to be.
Welcome to Rewind time,this episode Bo Burnham.
Yeah, it's rewind time.
Welcome to Rewind Time, a YouTube historypodcast where we examine a noteworthy
YouTuber, their channel, and the videosthat made them part of YouTuber history.

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I'm here with Lucy Liven.
Hi.
A YouTuber herself.
Oh my gosh.
Don't out me like that.
And they don't need to
know Max, myself, someonewho has not seen much.
YouTube.
Lucy, how you going?
Yeah.
Party Rock.
It's a little party rock.
It's a little chilly.
It's a little, uh, yeah.
A bit gloomy.
A little gloomy.
We've popped a lamp on, sonow we're kind of dimly cast
in the light of a Kmart lamp.

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Very romantic, very atmospheric.
How are you feeling?
We stand
Anco.
We stand.
Thank you.
Shout out to anco.
How are you feeling?
I'm doing
well.
I had a lot of, it wasa big long weekend here.
Mm. So I really fulfilled like the heterorole in the relationship by gonna Bunnings
and doing DIY around our rented house.
Mm-hmm.
So shout out to our landlord.

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Yeah, I bet.
I bet he appreciates that.
And I fulfilled my part of the heterogender roles in our relationship by.
Doing lots of cooking and baking.
Mm. Truly.
We really said, don'tworry, the straits are safe.
We said we upholdstraight, straight norms.
Good job.
Us.
This week we are talking about Bo Burnham.

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Mm-hmm.
Did you know about Bo BurnhamPryor to this week's episode?
Yes, I did.
Okay.
I think we all foresaw that.
Mark.
Well, what is that supposed to mean?
You just have a type
I have a type.
Yeah.
I mean he, are we gonna addressit straight up that I ki like
he kind of looks like you.
I mean, are you, oh,
I don't think that's the case.

(02:11):
No.
Mean you're a
white guy.
He's a white guy.
You both are funny.
You both have like read maybe two books.
Okay.
No, and
he is also six five oh and has a, i, Iwould say distinctly German, uh, you know.
Uh, appearance.
That's not, that's not why I like him.
No.
Okay.
You know, but I appreciateyou pointing that out.

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Um, in contrast to yourself,assumingly who is not six five, but
these guys dunno, they'venever seen me ask up.
They've never seen you standing up.
So
true.
So true.
Uh, were you aware of BoBurnham before this week's pod?
Hang on you, I need to know
what
did you, did you watchhis videos growing up?
Did you learn?
Um, you know, I can't
actually pinpoint when Ilearned about Bo Burnham.

(02:54):
I mean Okay.
Obviously I've seen Inside, whichI think a lot of people have seen,
um, obviously iconic COVID watching.
Uh, but prior to that I was on tumblr.com.
So I think at some point I was made awareof Fog Burnum through Tumblr, obviously.
Also, what this podcast is, I'm a YouTubegirly, but I think it was like Tumblr,
where I kind of found out about him.
Probably similar to John Green.

(03:16):
Um.
It was like a Tumblr origin,which then led me White Boy of the
Month.
White.
Yeah.
He was White Boy of the monthon Tumblr at some point.
White,
sweet, sensitive Boy of the Month.
Yes.
And then I, I, but I was looking,as we were doing the watch
through, I was like, I think I'veseen all of his comedy specials.
Like I think I've seen whatI think I've seen Make Happy.
Um, yeah, so I've, I've knownabout Bo for quite a long time.

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Uh, and now I'll do the lead in, uh, wereyou aware of Bo Burnham before this week?
I
was.
Okay.
Wow.
Which is different for us, but I, Iactually had no idea he was a YouTuber.
So when you were like, let's doBo Burnham, I was like, how are
we going to, you know, you're
like, what a cop out and be like,you just wanna watch Bob Burn years'?
We're gonna
do Jerry Seinfeld.

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And I'd be like, uh, hisYouTube history, but yeah.
Um, so I knew about BobBurnum, I presume through you.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I imagine you showed me his videos.
Uh, but we have seen eighth grade.
Do you remember when we watched it?
It was on, it was on a bus in Mexico.
Yes.
Right.
Yes.
It was
a dubbed but no audio version ofeighth grade that was shown on

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a coach that we took in Mexico.
And it was presented with,uh, Spanish subtitles as well.
So we truly did not knowwhat was going on, but, well,
I mean, we did.
'cause Yeah.
Well,
the mark of a great film is thatyou can watch it with the sound
off and know what's going on.
Yeah.
Just like tiktoks.
Yes.
Yes.

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I think that's the captions thatpeople, uh, put in large font.
Hey,
that's why I do it.
But yeah, so I've seen eighth grade.
I rated it on letterbox,uh, based off that.
Did you?
No, no, I didn't.
I didn't.
Um,
oh, I thought you watched it prilike prior to or separate to that?
No.
Oh, okay.
We both watched it on a bus.
And you've seen promising young woman.
Yes, I have.
Yes.

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Yeah.
But this is all like later career stuff.
Yeah.
Had you seen any earlier boor is it just through me?
I
have, I had only seen properly inside.
The special you referenced before.
Okay.
But your first introductionto Bo was eighth grade.
Yes.
That's crazy.
Although I don't, I thinkyou've shown me stuff.
And also I watched inside beforeeighth grade, we watched eighth grade.

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'cause we saw that last year.
Y
yes.
But did you know abouteighth grade before inside?
Yeah, I was aware of eighth grade.
'cause it's a, it's an a 24 film guys.
And uh, you know, you take a, youlook at me and you think this guy,
he does not like a 24 but againsttype, I'm somewhat of a fan.
Oh God.
Of, uh, you know, the midbudget Hollywood Film Revival.

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Oh, anyway, um, pain, let's move on.
So crazy.
Bo Burnham a YouTuber,who would've thought Yeah.
And uh, his YouTube videos, it makes sensethat this man would go on to, uh, create
the comedy specials that he would laterdo because we see a lot of the hallmarks
of his work in his literal first video.

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Which is called My Whole Family,which he uploaded in 2006.
One of the earlier YouTubers we've seen.
Yeah.
In this pod.
Yeah.
I think like a lot of the people we'vebeen covering kind of really started
in like 2007, 2008, but 2006 is,that's pretty, yeah, he, he was on it,

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he said in an interview that hewas basically like, I just uploaded
this because it was a video sharingplatform and I wanted to send my
brother, I believe, a copy of my song.
Oh wow.
So kind of like the upload your entirelike family video archive to YouTube.
Yeah.

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As a backup mechanism.
Yeah.
Meta.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, 'cause you're like, well it's freeGoogle Drive that costs money, but YouTube
free.
Exactly.
Mm-hmm.
Um, so this video, my whole family.
Bo is in what we assume is his childhoodbedroom setting of many of these videos.
Mm-hmm.
He is in high school, so heis at a, it's like sort of a,

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a Catholic all boys school.
Uh, he's from the, the, let me do myAmerican geography, the northeastern
section of the United States.
So think, think theholdovers, think Boston.
Mm.
Think like prep school.
Think, um, dead poet Society.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

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So it looks, it looks posh, uh, or,
I mean, it's, he's just in a bedroom.
No, no, no.
But Oh, sorry.
Uh, the, the school he goes to,oh, it's like giving castle vibes.
Okay.
And he's wearing in these earlyvideos, sometimes he's sort of
like school uniform, which is abit weird for Americans 'cause it's
like a tie and a, a college shirt.
Oh.
I thought he
just wore that.

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'cause he was like kindof doing a, I thought
it was his, I thought it was his uniform.
Oh, okay.
Maybe undecided, but un unsure.
But yeah, so like, he is a,he's a, a preppy kid, right.
Uh, and the, the premise of thissong, he's playing a keyboard.
He's singing to the camera.
And my whole family, the song that thefull lyric in the, the actual video

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is, uh, my whole family thinks I'm gay.
Wow.
Yeah.
How did you feel about, uh, that reveal?
Did that, did that track for you?
Like, did it track for me?
Like, do you think people wouldlook at him at school and be like, I
thought you were asking this kid gay,
that you thought that myfamily thought I was gay?
Oh, no.
There's no concern there.
Uh.

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Yeah, I mean, he's musically talented.
He has like a Yeah, you are,you're a boy in the early two
thousands who's into the arts?
Skinny.
All boys school likes art, likes music.
It's good art.
Gonna be bullied.
Gay.
Must be
gay.
Gay.
Uh, yeah.
I mean, I, I grew up in thetwo thousands, so yes, I do

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think he probably, uh, was gay.
I think it's interesting that ratherthan though focusing on like his,
you know, his, his classmates orhis friends thinking he's gay,
he focuses on that, his family'sspeculation, which is, uh, funnier.
Uh, I suppose, do you, do youhave any thoughts about this song?
I'm sorry, I'm trying to, I found
it incredibly relatable.

(09:19):
As someone maybe half a generation youngerwho also went to an all boys school.
But the thing I think is unfair is thatI have the whole family thinks I'm gay.
I wasn't even good at the arts.
I literally played sport.
All it was is I readbooks and they said Gay.
Yeah.
Basically, which you canattest when we started dating

(09:42):
Okay.
For listeners of the pod, uh, whenMax and I started dating, which
was shortly after high school,I went to your house, I think.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and, you know, had dinner withyour family, maybe a month or so
into dating, something like that.
Um, and your mom and your family werelike, to me, well, we, we all thought
he was gay and I think you had like,left to go to the kitchen or something.

(10:03):
And they were kind of like, ishe like putting you up to this?
Like, do you, do you have to belike, is do you actually like him?
Like, is this a prank?
And I was like, no, I, I mean news to me.
Uh, but yeah.
So I'm glad you, did youfind solace in this song?
Yeah, of course.
Yeah.
Like you went
every line.

(10:23):
RL the IRL.
Yeah.
That's like the
most important part of YouTube is thatyou watch the person do something and you
in yourself, you feel the me IRL feeling.
Wow.
Okay.
'cause it like
bonds you to the creatorperson that you know.
So you
feel like immediate connectionto Beau from this video?
Yes.
Okay, great.
Um,
also there's like, there's somuch from this first video,
which got 12 million views.

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Crazy, crazy work that is like a, ahallmark of B'S later videos like you
have playing with form through the song.
He breaks the fourth wall oftenthere's like a progressive chorus.
So the elements of that change throughthe song to like add additional elements.
Mm-hmm.
More comedic bits.
Um, it's obviously like really funny.

(11:05):
Yeah.
Like it's really good.
It's a really banging.
Yeah.
He also is.
We really are musically talented.
Mm-hmm.
Which is not something we can sayfor all of our comedy YouTubers.
Hey, that do music so far?
Hands off The Legend of Zelda rap.
That's,
yeah.
Oh no.
I mean there's, I think there'slike the spectrum of we are
doing songs like ironically.

(11:26):
Yeah.
Or we're doing them and leaninginto the fact they're kind of bad.
And then there's people who try like toohard and it's like not particularly funny.
Mm-hmm.
Thinking some of VP's videos.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and then I think this falls ontolike an even more advanced version
of what we saw with Hank Green.
Someone who is like, obviouslyquite a successful writer.

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Someone who's also pretty good at guitar.
And you combine those two and it'slike, okay, this is good comedy music.
Right?
Yeah.
But I think like Bo it'slike, it's actually, it's so
impressive that he was this young.
Wow.
He did his first video and it'slike it's performed at a level that.
So many of the YouTubers we watch in thisseries are like, not even getting closed.

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How, how do you feel about that?
Am I, am I going too hard?
Bernard?
You're kind of, I
mean, it's giving here fan here,fan, you're giving real fan
behavior, but I mean, it's kindof, it's a nice change of pace.
I mean, I'm not trying to say that you'regiving hater behavior with other YouTubers
we cover, but sometimes I do feel likeI am enacting like a type of punishment
on you by forcing you to watch hoursof YouTube content that you, you know,

(12:29):
wouldn't watch out of your own free will.
You also
wouldn't watch this though, so,
uh, some of them, no.
I, I, no, some of them, like I did,I did enjoy at one point, so at
least it's like a nostalgia band orobviously as we've said many times, my
sense of humor is completely broken.
So I find things like ironically funny.
Mm.
Um, but this obviously, yeah,we both, we both enjoyed and

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yeah, Bo Bo's very talented.
I would also say the main hallmarkof B'S early comedy, um, and he goes
on to include this later, but I wouldsay it's really heavily featured in
the early stuff, is his word play.
He does lots of like puns and.
Play, play on Words MeSo Smart me Love book.
He is, uh, an adapt lyricist.
He, you know, um, but as you said, likethese early videos, um, and initially

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it'll be a case where like he willupload like three songs on one day.
Mm. Which is so funny to thinkof like how people like Mr. Beast
are like the YouTube algorithm,like thrives on feeding over time.
Here's the perfect meta and likeconsistency to get your uploads.
And Bo Ben was just like, nah, just sixmonths later just chuck up three videos.

(13:36):
'cause we get, uh, a love ballad.
We get apple pie and uh, the PerfectWoman, which we'll return to later,
but now Bo in these videos, it'slike he's in the same outfit, clearly
shot on the same day in the bedroom,and he's playing an acoustic guitar,
which he's also very good at.
Yeah.
Um, and the premise of these, soLove Ballad, uh, it's about him.

(14:00):
Yeah, initially it's like what seemsto be like a sincere love song, but
the reveal is that he's, uh, actuallydating an incredibly old woman.
And the, uh, final sting is thatthe old woman dies and, uh, the
granddaughter is their mourning.
And Beau is like, wow, she's so hot.
Uh, and she's also three years old.
Uh, which brings us to one of a, arecurring theme in these early videos.

(14:23):
One i, I didn't know about, 'causeI've only seen inside, and that's
pretty, pretty, I would say it's notshock comedy because Yeah, an early
thing in these Bo Burn and videosis, uh, a leaning on, uh, several.
Uh, shock elements Mm. That weshould not go into for fear of, uh,
demonetization.
Yes.

(14:43):
Even though we are notmonetized this current time.
So feel free to just, uh, replay thesevideos in the background on low volume
if you'd like to help, help, help us out.
Yeah.
But I'll describe
them in a roundabout way.
Uh, expressing, uh, lust for children,uh, expressing lust for a member of the,
the same sex, uh, having sex generally,that's a big part of these videos.

(15:07):
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and discussion of racialdifferences and stereotypes.
Wow.
Yeah.
That was such a, you know, e for,for everyone rated when I picked
the podcast.
Not made for kids, but not explicit.
No.
Yeah.
We contain on the same page.
No discussions of sexually explicitmaterial, et cetera, et cetera.
Uh, the Perfect Woman

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mm-hmm.
Is a deleted video.
Uh, yes.
There are a few videos we have deleted.
Sorry, not we have deletedthat Bo has deleted.
Mm-hmm.
And he's expressed some regret for thelike shock comedy he did at the time.
Mm-hmm.
I do.
I think it's kind of interesting whathe's chosen to private and unprivate.
It's
always interesting and, you know, Iknow we just did this episode last

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week, but we've been talking a lotrecently about, it's interesting.
Yeah.
When, when they sort of are like, oh, wellthis one's not okay, but this one's fine.
And I'm like, they're kind of thesame joke, like they're kind of
hitting the same, the same notes,but you know, you never know.
Like, they might have gotten someparticular comments on one of
them, or I don't know, but Yeah.
Well it's
interesting here 'cause heis signed to a record deal.

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Mm. And so these songs are allactually released on like streaming
services and iTunes and everything.
Yeah.
And
so the ones that have been removedfrom his personal channel, it roughly
correlates to what is actually notable to be played on like Spotify.
Hmm.
So for context, the perfect woman,this is a, another love ballad.
Uh, but the, uh, perspective in thisone is that, uh, Bo is in love with

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Helen Keller, who for our internationalaudience is a, is a famous, uh,
American disability advocate.
Right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I believe she was deaf blind.
Uh, and the, the joke inthis is naturally that, uh.
The, the, the perfect broad.
She doesn't speak and she doesn'tsee, so I can do all my stuff

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and no one will say anything.
Yeah.
It's like, yeah.
It, it is the joke of a teenage boy.
Well, actually I would argue,uh, some, some men there, they
human never actually evolves.
Okay.
Actually, a lot of men, well,never evolves beyond this point.
Mm. Monkey uh, I, I mean, look, it'sjust, it's the kind of, and it's so

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funny 'cause I feel like we've barelyeven touched the, the kind of the edge
of the, like, edgy, YouTuber Subsect.
Um, like we, we haven't evengotten to like filthy Frank or
like any of that, that stuff.
But like, you
mean, um, Joji?
Um, yeah, I mean, Joji.
A clip.

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Yes.
Yeah, I know, I know that one.
You're just like Bo Burnham.
Thank you.
I'm gonna
leave, turn on the camera.
Start, start uploading today.
Okay.
Um.
No, there
we had some, there's been some,some usage, some edginess of the,
the f slur in some of these videos.
And Bo himself, both ironically andI actually, no, I think to put, not

(18:09):
to put down on his name, but I thinkthat all of the uses of the f slur
are directed at himself and it's adepiction, not endorsement sort of thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, I guess what I'm saying is Ithink there's some of this humor,
which is not really particularlyhighbrow or particularly very funny.
Like it's, it is a very OneNote humorthat is designed to be offensive and like

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the offensiveness is what makes it funny.
Um, which, you know, that kind of humorcan and cannot work in various use
cases depending on like who is doingit and like, you know, all that stuff.
Context is helpful.
Um, but it's not.
Yeah.
It, it's like you werejust like, yeah, okay.
It's he, and especially inthese early videos, he's like
17 or something like that.

(18:53):
And I'm like, yeah, that this tracks forsomeone who's being like, what's clever?
Like what's shocking.
It would be funny if like, wouldn'tthis be so bad if I said this?
Um, my thing is like if you tell ashocking joke in a, in a standup or
even like a social situation, it isfunny, but it's like a one use thing.

(19:14):
Yeah.
And so it's kind of like, wow.
The shock gets you.
But if you're doing sort of musicalcomedies specifically, like releasing
songs, the replay value of shock comedyis obviously it's a lot less effective.
'cause like, the joke when it hits youthe first time, you're like, ha ha.
But repeat engagement, you'rejust like, oh, that's just like,

(19:34):
you know, that's just shocking.
And all comedy obviously like, gets lessfunny over time, but like, it's much like
a jump scare, like shock comedy is, isa really effective as a one-off, but.
Repeat viewings, likehas a lot less power.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, I, I can see why he would privatethat, um, more so than other things
that I feel like are less offensive.

(19:55):
As you mentioned, he uses like some slursand things, which he shouldn't really
use, but again, he's not, uh, directingit as like a form of hate speech.
He's, as, as he's mentioned, uh,often presumed to be, to be gay.
But does that make it, like, doesthat mean he can, he gets the past?
No, he doesn't get the past.
That's like, he doesn't, but I guess,you know, we are doing like offensive

(20:16):
tier list in terms of like, oh, we wouldrather this than someone who we, like,
we've obviously seen some creators who dolike, make homophobic jokes and they are
being like, they are being homophobic.
Yeah.
So,
uh, I I, oh yeah.
To be clear, to be clear, I don't thinkthere's anything like a serious, I

(20:37):
can't believe he did this type of vibe.
I have seen like people online hold thisagainst him now being like, he tells,
you know, homophobic and ableist jokes.
Um, but I think that is a kindof, it's just a, it's a very,
it's a very scoldy mindset.
We can critic, like you cancriticize them, of course, but

(20:58):
I think it was 20 years ago.
I think as we have discussed with certainYouTubers of, uh, certain episodes of
ours that happen to be the most viewedon our YouTube currently, uh, there are
people who, if they express problematicviews, and especially in a non-com
context, like if they're just saying it.
I mean, maybe it's common context,but I think if people grow and change,

(21:21):
you know, that that's what we, I thinkthat's what we ask of people, isn't it?
To just not do it anymore.
Yeah.
To learn and do better.
I just think, and we'll tie offthe, the shock stuff on this, uh,
the next section of videos uploadedhas, uh, clan cookout, which is, uh,
obviously about the, the, uh, whitesupremacy group of the same name.

(21:42):
And the, that has some, uh, particularlyspicy stuff where he throws in, uh,
very, uh, you know, inflammatorylanguage about minorities, but it's
in the context of performing like a,a song from the clan's perspective.
So it makes sense that they're there.
Um, I don't think it's very insightfuland I think that is kind of why Bo

(22:04):
himself and what we like in these earlyvideos is the stuff where it is like, um.
The comedy is from the, likethe introspective perspective.
Mm-hmm.
Like my whole family thinksI'm gay, uh, as opposed to the,
like, the shock side of things.
Yeah.
I think there's two, and forgive meif I'm going ahead of the run sheet,

(22:25):
but there's sort of two main groupsthat I would kind of put B'S musical
comedy into is that you have the linearnarrative song and then you have his raps.
And I would say we largely preferthe lean narrative type songs that
are more like musical theatery,if you can say anything like that.
Mm.
Um, as opposed to the raps,which by the way when we're

(22:48):
saying this, they're not bad.
They're just like, okay, andI'll just speak for myself.
They're less for me because they aremore about doing like shock value with
word play and jokes and that you have alot of those, um, those jokes which we,
we've just discussed where he's relying onsaying things that are like misogynistic
or racist or like whatever else.
Um, but it's like in the contextof doing like clever word play.

(23:11):
Which it is clever wordplay,I guess, but it's just like,
does that make for an enjoyableexperience as an audience member?
Like you, you are impressed by him.
Like, you're like, wow, he's, hereally put those thoughts together.
Like obviously it's impressive, but Ithink yeah, in terms of repeat listens
and like lasting staying power for songsthat we go back to, it's the ones that
do have that, that linear narrative.

(23:33):
Do you feel like I summed that up.
I think
that
there is a, and youbrought it up, the rapping.
Mm-hmm.
There is around this time, of course, avery popular, lonely island, uh, releasing
music, and there is a real culturaldesire for the, the fly white guy rapping.
And I think Bo is just a,you know, a product of that.

(23:54):
But I agree that the rap stuff doesn'twork as well as the, like mu more
musical comedy, diddy skit style stuff.
I mean, and I, I think,sorry that it's just.
There's al always gonna be a largesort of mountain to climb when you are
a white guy doing rap music that ismaking, or or par parodying rap music,

(24:19):
which is like obviously a very Yeah.
Uh, a genre that isbasically fundamentally like
African American, right?
Yeah.
Like there's sensitivities therethat there are not, when you are
doing your own version of like,you know, any like Steve Martin,
you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, for sure.
And actually, it's funny you mentioned theLonely Island because I feel like calling

(24:40):
back to that episode we did, uh, we,we also liked when the, the songs where
Andy was not doing rapping more also.
Yeah, yeah.
Look, maybe, and that's not to saythat I'm not a fan of real hip hop.
Because I tell you what, if youwere, when I was Bo's age, I was

(25:01):
also listening to a lot of rap music.
Yeah.
Uh,
but it wasn't parody rap music.
So maybe I've always been a hater of that.
Um, but yeah.
So like, not,
not a slim Shady fan.
Not an Eminem stand.
I
am an, i I was a big Eminem fan, whichI ironically like a white rapper.
Yeah.
Uh, but that's mostly justbecause, uh, that's in spite
of him being white, I think.

(25:22):
Crazy work.
Okay.
Like, uh, there's some othervideos around this time.
So 2007, which I believe, oh no, he'd bein his second to last year of high school.
What do they call that?
Uh, sophomore?
No.
Isn't that your second year?
Junior?
Is it freshman, junior?
Junior, freshman,sophomore, junior, senior.

(25:43):
Junior, senior.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Everybody, right?
Is that what you're talking about?
Everybody?
Yeah.
Movie.
Every junior, senior.
No.
I dunno what whatcha talking about.
No.
When you,
okay.
No, when you do sing Star.
Yeah.
And it's a two part song.
Yeah.
And one's junior and one's senior.
I've never heard of that.
I've done duets and juniors
that everybody and senior'slike, don't stop, don't stop.

(26:04):
How even know they
named them.
Well, I thought it
was just two different colors on the line.
We
No, no, no.
Yeah.
But in the actual song,everybody Move Your Feet.
It's junior and senior.
Other names of the, the people.
Well, someone, you, you learnsomething new every day.
That's what being a gamer does.
Um, that's the
gamer mindset.
Thank you for that.
S star fans rise up.
As I was saying, Bo does a day inthe life, uh, that is sort of a, a

(26:28):
mockumentary take on the day of the life.
But it is him just filming,going around his house.
Um, I did make a note where I just saidit looks like he's aging in reverse.
Like he looks younger thanwhen he started the channel.
And I think it's 'cause he, hehas like a schoolboy haircut.
Mm-hmm.
Um.
But he basically runs around withhis school uniform on and tells a

(26:49):
bunch of jokes and it's like a sortof a precursor to like, uh, obviously
he would go on to be a standup.
And I think you see here, and youalso see this in the a PSA video
he did after this, which is like atake on dare anti-drug campaigns.
Like you get a sense of, um, his comedictiming, his ability to tell jokes

(27:09):
outside of the musical comedy.
Yeah.
How do you feel about thenon-musical videos that he put out?
Early days?
Yeah.
I mean, I think there are, there area mix, uh, some hits, some misses.
I'm never gonna be like, he's, he'sa child in these, I'm not gonna be
particularly harsh or critical oflike, but he's just trying stuff out.

(27:30):
Yeah.
At this point, I think we all have tocontextually remember that Bo is like one
of the first early viral YouTube stars.
And he is a child.
Like, he, he's a, he's in high school.
So I think you are, it, it's not you,you're kind of throwing stuff at the wall
and seeing what sticks in what is stilllargely like a new platform, a new medium.

(27:52):
I don't know.
Yeah.
Important to know that he is notsomeone who, once they had a viral hit,
you know, became incredibly prolific.
Like he's just a kid going to schooland he releases a set of videos like
every four or five months or so.
Yeah, he's not, he doesn't
seem to be, and, and again, there couldbe some missing that we are not seeing,

(28:12):
but overall, he's not a frequent uploader.
No.
He is utilizing, and we'll seekind of this come back later, but
he's utilizing YouTube in the realworld as, you know, a mechanism
to make his, his dreams come true.
IRL as opposed to likegoing all in on YouTube.
Which to be fair, again, this islike 2007, the concept of a YouTube

(28:34):
star, and I don't even think, likehe wouldn't have been getting paid
for any of this at this point.
Part of the programdidn't exist, exist yet.
So he's, I think he
would've signed his.
Record deal.
Okay.
Based on the success.
Yeah.
'cause a lot of these songs would goon to be the songs on his first album.
Yeah.
Um, and that's basically what thechannel is like used to promote at

(28:56):
this point, like each of the differentuploads until, um, well actually
through 2008 are him doing new songs.
Mm-hmm.
That will eventuallybe on that first album.
Mm-hmm.
So you have Bo for show, which is,uh, like a very sexual rap song.
Um, which I think, I think part ofthe shock is obviously like why he's

(29:16):
a child talking about these things.
Okay.
I mean, yeah, he, he's a 17-year-old boy.
He obviously thinks it's cool.
I, I probably think, I dunno,did you think it was we would
rap like this in high school, so, yes.
Yeah,
I was gonna say, did you, did you thinkI didn't go online and watch videos
of people or laughing about this?
Uh, no,
but I was about to say, I'm like you,when you were 17, you're probably
like, wow, having sex would be so cool.

(29:38):
I remember
distinctly in a, in a freestyle wrapcircle, uh, what a, a friend of mine who
you've met, uh, delivered the, the stanza.
Uh, I eat beep for breakfast.
I eat beep on toast.
And I, I still think about that now.
It's just very funny.
I did not know about that.
This is, this is, this is boys.

(29:59):
This is locker room talk.
This is how, this is the boys.
This is boys talk.
Like I, you've, you grew up No,I, I know being friends with.
This type of person.
So you're familiar with the language?
17-year-old boy?
Yeah, I knew some.
Yeah.
No, it's
like private.
It's like private.
Well, in Australia it's like a feepaying, selective, exclusive school.

(30:22):
Like, it, it breeds a type of language.
And uh, is that misogynistic?
Yes.
Yeah.
I mean, can it be
funny?
Depends.
I mean, I think enthusiasmfor, for pleasing your female
partner is always excellent.
Um, and we always encourage that.
I don't think they were really thinkingthat at the time, though, nor do I

(30:42):
think they were actually particularlyinterested in doing that, but Sure.
Like, yeah.
And I,
I don't think, like, thisisn't like frat wrap.
Like, I, I, and I reallywanna be clear that we are not
being like, wow, this is like.
So distasteful.
'cause it's sexual.
We, it's more just a, a comment onthe fact that the sexual explicitness

(31:02):
is like part of the comedy.
It's like fundamental to it.
We, yeah.
I, I think maybe it's worth mentioning,uh, and maybe apologies if this is like
a bit of a sidestep, but like, I amnot anti teenagers who are of a certain
age, like discussing or being depictedas being, like being sexual beings.

(31:23):
'cause I think that's likeactually true to life.
Like, I'm not, I'm not part of theGen Z moral panic who were like,
euphoria should be taken off.
Screens
me in the TikTok comments of all the,where they cut up the movie clip for like
one minute increments going to the SydneySweeney, uh, nude scene and being like.
I can't believe the movies are like this.

(31:44):
It is funny how like, yeah.
You have those like teens who Moralizeand it's like the, the Horseshoe
with like 80-year-old people.
Yeah.
Where they're like, it's odd media today.
Yeah.
It's, it is.
And it's also crazy 'cause like theinternet obviously is largely uncensored.
So you think people mm-hmm.
And I think millennials especiallyprobably most affected by this, have
a very, um, blase approach to, um, sexand stuff and violence in all media.

(32:12):
'cause they're desensitized, but it'ssort of come around to where like,
iPad kids are like, this is bad.
Yeah.
I just, I don't quite understandthe, you know, depict it, it's like,
and this is again, kind of goingoff, but like, depiction versus
endorsement or like depiction.
Depiction equals endorsement.
Like, just because they're showingpeople doing bad things doesn't
necessarily mean like they're showingpeople doing things that you'd be

(32:36):
like, that's not encouraged, but like.
The perspective of the show willliterally be like, this is bad.
This person isn't enjoying it.
Or like, this is not aconsensual encounter.
Um, and I don't think it'snecessarily always dealt well.
I think, uh, dealt with properly.
Like I think of Game of Thrones asparticularly not being a show that
I think always handles it with,um, tacked, let's put it like that.

(32:57):
But, um, anyway, sorry.
This is like low key, uh, off topic, butI, but it, it's, it's interesting that
like a lot of his early content, um, yeah.
Has these like themes ofessentially being a, being like a
ladies man or someone who's likeprolific in their sexual activity.
Well,
to bring us back to be that reputation,I think was, uh, true at the time

(33:19):
because when we see him at YouTubelive, our favorite live event for
the two thousands, we never repeated.
We need to find a version
of YouTube live.
I feel like we could do anentire episode on YouTube live.
Because What do you mean?
Katy Perry hosted?
I
mean, we get more footage of Katy Perry,our host, um, and Bo Burnham was there
and she cues him into performing a songon the piano in a, in a manner where it's

(33:42):
almost like she, uh, expresses and ofcourse it's, you know, she's in character.
Yeah.
It's tongue and cheek.
Yep.
She's also someone who's likeovertly sexual in a, especially
in her early kind of Yeah.
Pop
girly way,
California girls,
but sort of vibe did seem likeshe was, uh, suggesting she

(34:02):
was interested in a teenager.
I mean, she, the, the literaljoke she makes is that she's
like, oh, like he's, he's naughty.
Yeah.
Um, and he's 18, like, thank God he's 18.
It's Bo Burnham.
Aga
aga.
And we were like.
Yeah.
Yeah.
On like, you know, funny, I actuallythink the coolest part about this is that

(34:24):
she kind of like, makes this and lo justlike does not acknowledge her at all.
Yeah.
He just
like
completely blanks her wouldnot, would not fly now, but
No, the two
thousands.
How old was
Katie Perry at that time though?
I,
I mean, 20 something.
Uh,
does it, does it, does there, isthere a way for it to be okay?
I don't know.
I don't think, I don't thinkas a public figure you can, uh,

(34:47):
celebrate 18th birthday milestones.
Yeah.
Uh, without seeming like incredibly like
Yeah, no, the daily
male page three.
Counting down till the swimsuitmodel is make good stuff.
Oh God.
Let's not.
Um, okay.
Kate Perry introduces him and Bo does asong, uh, and it is obviously referring
to a bunch of YouTube cultural references.

(35:09):
There's a few that I knowlike chocolate, rain.
Wow.
Um, Fred, he does the Fred Voice,which tickled me, um, as a fan of Fred.
And he also says how Obama won theelection because of YouTube, which is
somewhat related to Obama girl who we,we assume spoke about in Kia Blossom.
Yeah.
And then he like undercuts thatwith, by saying it was actually

(35:30):
because of the black vote.
Um, but I think most notably is thathe refers to the gathering or the
event as the Prop eight Victory Party.
And this is like very likeniche California politics.
But Prop eight was a, I thinka ballot measure where they
wanted to ban same sex marriage.

(35:52):
So he's basically being like, everyonehere is either gay or like a, a liberal
supporter of same sex marriage, whichis a pretty, like, pretty accurate
read I think on early YouTube.
Um, so yeah, that's kind of funny.
Yeah.
How do you feel
about the performance.
Uh, I thought it was really good.
Yeah.
I, I liked all the YouTube references.

(36:14):
Um, again, I feel like yeah, YouTubelive, I owe to be a fly on the wall.
I, yeah,
it's crazy.
They never did one again forhow much influence it had.
I'm sort of like, I do think nowincreasingly if someone came to me and
said like, if you could time travel toany moment in time, what would it be?
And I'm kind of like,YouTube live 2008, please.

(36:37):
Uh, but no, it's good.
I think it's really good.
I, um, I think this is the first timewe see him do a live performance.
Correct.
And it's very impressive.
Again, as Katie Perry points out,he's 18, so it's very impressive to
a very, you know, large audience.
He's literally with Will I amand Ka Perry on the same stage.
Uh, chocolate, rain,tes on day, same stage.

(36:59):
Um, and it's also being broadcast.
Uh, so it's, it's a, it's a big deal,um, to be going from your bedroom to.
Something like this.
And even being able to perform live,like obviously a lot of YouTubers Yeah,
they, it's a, it's a video medium.
Yes.
And it's a very different skillset to, like, even now we have
Twitch where people are live.

(37:19):
So to be able to transfer, like theability to do like to be a studio artist,
to be able to pre prepare, to then be ableto do something live is really impressive.
Mm. And as you know, Bo wouldlater go on to do a lot of
standup comedy and musical comedy.
It makes sense that he is ableto, you know, perform to a room.

(37:40):
'cause that's like fundamentalto being a successful comedian.
At least it was.
Yeah.
I think there are a lot of, um,YouTube musicians or YouTube comedians
who, uh, don't make the transitionas smoothly or successfully.
Uh, we haven't quite, ohmy gosh, I'm so excited.
We haven't gotten to like the YouTubelike boy band musician era, which

(38:00):
you haven't seen, but where, I mean,you've sort of seen a little bit of it.
You've seen some of the, sorry.
I have.
Listen to Chester Sea.
Yeah.
Okay.
But like Chester Sea was a musician
and Ryan's K-pop band y.
Yeah.
So it's kind of more like that,but like more that and more like 14
year olds who don't have any musicalbackground and they go on tours.

(38:23):
Oh, I,
I can't wait.
I'm so excited.
I can't wait.
But, so there's a
lot of people who Yeah.
Are like musicians and they justcan't successfully do it at all.
Or you get the awkwardnessof like, or some YouTubers.
Some YouTubers, oh my gosh.
Yeah.
You dunno about any of this.
Some YouTubers fully have a full YouTubecareer completely separate from music.

(38:43):
And then like six or seven yearsinto their YouTube career, they're
like, I'm gonna be a pop star.
Yeah.
I'm familiar with like this as a As trope.
Trope.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you have the samething with pop stars.
They all of a sudden arelike, actually I'm an actress.
So I think like, yeah, it's very common.
Someone succeeds in one creative medium.
Yeah.
And they're like, well, I'mactually a multi hyphenate.
I mean, hey, Michelle

(39:03):
Farn is actually an artist.
As she would tell you.
Yeah.
So, I mean,
look, no tea.
If I became a really successful YouTuber,I can't, I can't promise, I wouldn't
want to make a foray into other creativemediums because at, at its core, and you
kind of see there's a lot of YouTubers.
It's like, they're like, Bo, I imaginetheir theater kids and YouTube is just,
and I mean, this is true to me, so I'lljust speak for myself, but I'm like,

(39:25):
I'm someone who likes performing andhave enjoyed doing theater, you know,
musicals, singing, all that stuff.
And YouTube is like just away to also perform in a, in a
different, in a different way.
So it's only natural thatonce these people get the
means at this YouTube, not somethingyou can sell, but a song, an album, as

(39:45):
we've seen a tour, getting a productthat people can buy is the quickest way
to like monetize your YouTube audience.
T-shirts.
T-shirts.
T-shirts.
Yeah.
And
honestly, I'd rather people likemake music than just produce like.
Bad merch.
Whoa.
For the, you know, for theplanet, um, sustainability.
Uh, but yeah, so it's cool that, youknow, they wanna cash in and if the fan,

(40:10):
honestly, if the fans like the music,you know, I can't really hate if they're
just doing, if they're doing cover songs,if they're just doing like minimum.
So you'll be streaming
James Charles on Spotify, uh,
for the episode.
I will.
And hey, for every like James Charles,we get an Addison Ray where it works out.
So, you know.

(40:31):
Yeah.
I think that's easily worth it.
Encourage all social media influencersto pursue like hyper pop girly careers.
I mean, yeah.
Anyway, I feel this tangent go crazy.
I'll bring us back.
So, thank you, Bo Post High School,graduated post YouTube live.
We get the video for High SchoolParty, which is another song

(40:54):
for the first album, sorry.
Yeah, we get a music videoas in an actual music video.
Yeah.
Not a it's pro produce shot of his room.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Uh, and it's a song where we see himon a high school party sort of set,
and it's very much like a American Redcup, like let's go crazy sort of vibe.

(41:15):
And, uh, we once again descend into, uh,a very sexual, uh, sort of comedic bit
when Bo hooks up with another party goer.
Uh, and it's all sort of undercutat the end by, there's, there's a
sting and it's Bo alone, he's bedand he's like, uh, all this is crazy.
But none of it actuallyhappened 'cause I wasn't invited

(41:37):
'cause I'm not cool enough.
Yeah.
Which I thought was pretty effectivein terms of the ending, uh, the
rest of the video, I was sort ofless enamored with How do you feel?
Uh, it was nice to see.
What, you know, a Bo Burnhammusical piece looks like with a bit
more production value behind it.
Um, I think he plays the camera very well.

(41:57):
Like it, you know, he, he obvious,he often in his own videos where
he's like, just taping them on hisown, just, you know, broadcasting
himself as per YouTube, uh, slogan.
He, I think he does good.
Uh, like he mugs to the camerain a way that's pretty good.
He does lots of, you know, good acting.
He does it well, but it, it's niceto see him kind of getting to yeah,

(42:19):
have these more visual gags and stuff.
But ultimately, yes, thisdoes just descend to the same.
Like, imagine if I had sex witha woman and I'm just like, okay,
and what if it's verylike, lonely island again?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It uh, it is actually kindof like I just had sex.
Yeah, it's actually very much like that.
Just talking about like what themechanisms of sex might be and

(42:42):
he's making jokes about his lackof experience or that he's like.
I've studied really hard for thismoment kind of thing, which is, I
guess, I guess it's, it's, I preferthis than like, girls are bitches.
I prefer the, like I respect womenand I wanna be really good at,
uh, pleasing her in the bedroom.
I think that's like more endearing.

(43:03):
Um, but still, still a bit as oldas, as time, and by the time, I mean,
2008 or whenever this came out, I'm,I'm like, yep, this isn't new to me.
It's, it's good, it's fine.
It's like, it's fine.
I don't know.
What are you,
I think it, it's just kindof notable how young he is.
Yes.
That actually was something whereI was like, it's weird to see this.

(43:24):
And again, even though we literallywere just like, we don't think
it's bad for people who are of theage who do things to talk about
the things that they actually do.
Um, but it is weird seeing like ayoung person be making like sexually
explicit content because obviouslythey do this in the lonely island,
but at this point they're like.
Uh, late twenties.
Yeah.
So I mean, like most
like Hollywood productionstuff, it's like, yeah.
We cast like 30 yearolds as high schoolers.

(43:46):
Yes.
So when you have like actual 18-year-old,like an actual, like 18 or 19-year-old.
Yeah.
But honestly kind ofmore true to life, so,
yeah.
You
know, he, he's an awkward teenager.
It's, he is speaking.
He's also so tall now.
He's writing what he knows.
He's
actually, he dwarfs people.
Yeah.
Uh, he's like six five.
He's he's a big boy.
Yeah.
It's like that and I think adds to thecomedy because he is simultaneously

(44:10):
so like skinny but so tall.
He's like a gangly sortof skeletal presence.
Uh, and as a physical comedian, like, youknow, your body is one of your key tools.
Okay.
No,
no.
Yeah, yeah.
He, he's, he's tall.
I was kind of more thinking, it's sort offunny because he's playing the character
of someone who's awkward, which like,yeah, I guess he's gangly, but I am,

(44:30):
like, today you would be considered Chad.
Oh, because the, the artistis actually the Chad.
Now, I think we, I mean,I'm not quite sure.
Oh, I think
it's just, even if you, ifyou do, uh, like Tinder.
Tinder height restrictions.
Oh, height discourse, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Which I'm obviously
not really that interested in.

(44:50):
Um, but, you know, knowing, knowingthe wider internet, uh, interests,
he's a tall boy, so by just virtueof being very tall, he's already,
you know, in that top percentile.
I say not having been on a datingapp in a decade, but anyway.
Anyway,
Bo, he goes on a sort of littlepromotional stint through 2009 mm-hmm.

(45:18):
To promote his first album.
And he releases a video calledHow to Be a YouTube Star in March.
And it's, uh, essentiallypromoting his new cd.
And then he performs one ofhis songs, uh, to promote it.
And he does it like in the old stylewhere it's in his, uh, bedroom.
Mm-hmm.
Um, funny.

(45:39):
I did want to note that the, oneof the jokes in this is, uh, it
depends on, as I mentioned last weekin community channels video, uh, a
whistle you blow as a woman when you'rein a particular form of distress.
Mm. And I was like, it's, there'ssomething in the water around the
late two thousands comedy, likethere's certain tropes, whether
YouTubers all like pull on them.

(46:01):
Yeah.
Because it's something like, you haven'theard a joke about that since then?
Like, 'cause I don't even think it'sreally a product that people have.
I was just thinking
about it.
It's funny that it was a jokefor community channel because
I don't even think we likereally have them in Australia.
No, I think it's specificallylike an American comedy trope.
Yeah.
A high school and college orjust, I mean, I suppose just a

(46:23):
US thing, but Yeah, we don't.
Well to our international listeners, wedon't really have self-defense items.
No.
'cause quite rightly, they'reused by aggressors, primarily.
Like people that have mace,it's like, 'cause they're
gonna mace like other people.
I don't
look.
Yeah, it's, you can't buypepper spray in Australia.

(46:44):
No.
Um, I don't think you can buy thoselittle, like, retractable knife, like
no
things, anything like that.
It's just not a, it'sjust not a thing here.
Tasers,
et cetera.
Uh, yeah, no, you can't buyany of those things here.
Um, but you also can't buy guns here.
So.
Sounds like a pretty, itsounds like a nanny state.
Sounds pretty boring.

(47:04):
Um, it's pretty, it's pretty goodknowing that you can't be shot.
I'm gonna pull you back.
So this tour in 2009, uh, it'slike a US tour, a bunch of cities
and it sees Bo go on the road.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and that is somewhere where he isbasically gonna be concentrating for.
The next few years at least.

(47:25):
Yeah.
And YouTube, he was never obviouslya prolific uploader, but the uploads
really sort of, uh, fall off becausewe watched a bunch of videos from this
tour and reading interviews at the time.
It's pretty clear.
B like, I have alwaysdreamt of being a comedian.
I have always wanted to be astandup, and this is basically what

(47:49):
I wanna be spending my time doing.
Less so than YouTube.
Right.
He
directly says it in a video.
Yeah.
He, he in a video where hecomes back after the tour, he's
like, Hey guys, been on tour.
Um, I like, my dream wasto be a touring performer.
Yeah.
The video you're referencing, it'scalled Hey, brackets High Bracket.

(48:09):
Okay.
Uh, and I would actually argue itwas uploaded in 14 September, 2010.
This is the final BoBurnham YouTuber video.
Yeah.
Okay.
Um, and the, the thesisI put forward was that.
Yeah, if you no longer say, Hey guysor do the YouTuber acknowledgement,
you're basically, if you are thenjust uploading content on the channel,

(48:33):
you're kind of no longer a YouTuber.
Hmm.
It's the, like the personality,like person to person audience
delivery style that I feel is likethe trademark of YouTuber versus now
he still uploads videos, but it'ssolely like the music videos from
his specials or promotional videos.
There's no, no photo camera.

(48:53):
Yes.
There's no uh, address to the audience.
No.
Going forward.
Um, so yeah, I wouldsay it's the last one.
And I actually think this is, wewill, we have seen some YouTubers,
but we will see some other YouTuberswho do, um, I would say probably.
I guess, does Bo considerhimself a YouTuber?

(49:13):
No, I'm not sure if he does.
Yeah.
Right.
But there are some people we will cover.
Um, and you won't know thesenames, but I'll just say them.
Lily Sing, Liza Kohi, um, areones that kind of come to mind.
You've had a lot of kind of thinkpieces done about them, and I have
mixed feelings about those thinkpieces that, um, bing like the girlies.
Um, but they, there are some YouTuberswho basically are YouTubers for

(49:37):
years and kind of rise to prominence.
And then they're basically justlike, I'm gonna mainstream media.
So you guys never likedbeing YouTuber anyway.
Uh, which, you know, I think, youknow, whether or not you agree
with them following their dreams orwhether you, you knew that or not.
I think to some of their audiences,they become a bit disenfranchised
or upset because they're like.

(49:59):
But we were here for you the whole time.
We've seen this with someYouTubes before where they, they
expressed like a bit of Yeah.
Uh, dissatisfaction.
Like, I don't wanna say ungrateful'cause I don't think that's necessarily
fair, but there is a, a sort of sense of
like, they think they're above YouTube
or they feel like they're heldhostage by YouTube or YouTube's, like
holding them back in in some sense.
You know, you kind of see those, Iwanna make these types of videos,
but you guys don't like them.
You guys just like, when I make theseother videos that I don't like making

(50:21):
and it's like, well, you know, it's acage of your own design of the inverse
of that though.
There is like a, a tribalismwhere some creators are like, oh,
I'm so proud to be a YouTuber.
Um, yeah.
Which to me, I'm a bit like, youkind of standing your employer,
like, I wouldn't go that far.
I dunno.
I feel like say you're a content creator,
mate.
I, I, I feel like there is no, butthere's a sort of a sense of community.

(50:41):
Google doesn't, doesn't need
your community, bro.
Okay.
But I think if you, if you grow up onYouTube, especially with some of these
early YouTubers, like YouTube was moreof a community than I think now where
we see it more of like a platform.
But I think there was a periodof time where it was a community
in hindsight.
I'm more referring to in the presentday, people, uh, being like this.

(51:01):
I think YouTube, I mean,I say I'm a YouTuber.
Okay, but that's just descriptive.
You know, you don't, but you don'tlike denigrate people the thinking.
They're like bigger than YouTube.
It's not like, uh, YouTubeing isn'tsomething that you like express specific
pride in because of the platform.
Right?
Uh, I, I, I think there's somethingto, I think, okay, it's not so much

(51:24):
the specific platform, but it'sbecause it's a content type that
is, I think in terms, I think, okay.
There are some people now,and I, I dunno if I would a
hundred percent be one of them.
'cause I make short form contentas well on other platforms.
Okay.
Shout out meta.
Shout out, shout out.
Bye.
Love you guys.
Uh, but I, YouTube has always been kindof like my first priority or like my first

(51:45):
love and so, and making YouTube video.
I think there are a lot of short formcreators who try and make the, the
journey over to YouTube and they'relike, oh actually this is like.
Kind of difficult.
It's a bit, it's a bit harder tomake a 20 minute video than it
is to make a one minute video.
And they express that there's difficulty.
I've met content creators who havebeen like, oh my god, YouTube, that's,
it's, I tried making YouTube videoand it took me like 30 hours and I'm

(52:06):
like, yeah, kind of is like that.
You know?
So I think there is a bitof, a bit of YouTube pride.
I'm not like, I don't think it makes youbetter, but there is like, it, it's hard.
It's hard.
It's harder to makelonger content, I think.
But equally, like, I think it'shard to make good short form
content frequently every day.

(52:27):
Does that, that, I don't know ifI really answered that question.
You know what, I'll justtake it and run with it.
Uh, Bo would go on to havesuccess doing longer content.
Yes.
He's
directed films.
Yes.
He has
several specials.
Mm-hmm.
And we watched some of his, somelike camcorder footage from his
live shows around this time.
Yeah.

(52:47):
Of the tours as well, because we just
wanted to see.
YouTube era bo on stage.
And naturally he still looks,uh, really quite young.
But yeah, he was young.
They, and yeah, like I said, there isan interesting thing where like comedy
shows and YouTuber tours, they're kindof targeted at different age groups.

(53:09):
So comedy shows often there'salcohol, so they're age gated
YouTuber tours in this era.
Naturally, a lot of YouTubers are kids.
So there's a bit of, I think it'san interesting sort of conflict here
where like by Burnham is someone whohas like a very passionate online fan
base and then Oh, mostly young women.

(53:29):
Yes.
Yeah.
And then he's doing shows where his comedyis quite, because it's like musical,
it's like something that requires quiteintense focus from him to execute it.
Mm-hmm.
But you often have like outburstsfrom young fans or older fans that
are misbehaving, uh, and he reacts.
Quite negatively to these interruptions,these les basically, yeah.

(53:53):
I, I
don't think I knew this, thatthis was like key Bo Burnham law.
Yeah.
If you wanna call it.
I know.
'cause
I looked at it and everyonewas like, he part of the reason
he doesn't perform live now.
Um, well, I don't think we've
spoke,
I mean No, we will, but Yeah.
Yeah.
He doesn't perform live now.
Uh, and I think primarily dueto like a suffering from anxiety

(54:16):
brought on by live performance.
Mm-hmm.
But I'm sure part of thatis the ability that he can't
control, like heckler's basicallyinjecting themselves into his set.
Yep.
And so I was like, I can see allthese videos of him being, uh, like
reacting to hecklers and it is not.
Mm-hmm.
Really, like there is a,an element of crowd work.

(54:37):
Like it's a I thing Yeah.
That people expect fromcomedians, but some comedians
I feel like make their careers andgo viral because they handle Wow.
Yes.
A lot of them do.
We don't need to name them, but, uh,
I don't know who you're referring to.
Oh.
Um, I think there is, there's anyou elitism in the comedy, uh,
world where crowd work, comediansare seen as like the lowest brow.

(55:00):
Like they don't even really telljokes, they just do reactive work.
Uh, yeah.
I mean, I, I think if you base yourentire show about just like, rocking
up and don't have any like, setmaterial, then I'd be like, but I
mean, but it's, but it is a skill set.
Like it's really popular on TikTok.
Oh, extremely.
Yeah.
I guess it's just like roast comedy.

(55:22):
I think just being RI, Imean, yeah, there's like, I
guess there's levels to it.
Like with any comedy, it'slike, are you being clever?
Are, or are you just being like rude?
Like, are you just, you know.
Telling people they're rude forinterrupting you when you know your
entire bit is that people interruptyou and you converse with them.
Yeah.
Like there's a rewarding, likethere's an incentive to do it,
which I think we sort of see thisstart to happen with, with Bo maybe.

(55:48):
Well, we don't really know.
We don't know because people,some people are heckling look
heckler for many reasons.
Some people are drunk, they don't evenknow that they're being loud and annoying.
Some people do it maliciously 'cause theywanna like throw the rest of the, uh, show
off like any number of reasons, right?
Yeah.
Sometimes they're fans andthey're just being like, overly,

(56:09):
I love you Bo Burnham types.
Yeah.
Well,
I mean, and we see thisa lot with concerts now.
I think of the, the Lord Shushing video.
I think of the, uh, people getting upset.
The, I
don't think the, I don't think the crowdwere at fault in the Lord Shushing video.
No.
That, that one actually was really funny.
No, no, no.
Um, what, who was the, uh, artistand I, it was one of the girlies

(56:29):
who asked them like to just not.
Record or, or something for one song.
Oh.
She was like, please don't use Flash.
She, she made like quite a simplerequest for like one song, and
then people were like, oh, sheasked people to not record a song.
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
And then people were like,this is insensitive because
like, I can't remember.
Can't remember.
Yeah.
Hang on.
I'll find it.
Yeah.
And I remember just thinking like,I don't, she wasn't even being like,

(56:50):
please don't record any part of the show.
And I think she was just like, can youjust not, like, I want this one song
to be a moment that we share in persontogether, because I think that's, you
know, something powerful about live music.
And I'm like, that's endearing.
And then people were like being like,this is mean to me personally because X,
Y, Z. And I was like, I, I think, yeah.
Anyway, gen Z, gen Z uh, audience,like concert culture is a

(57:15):
whole different kettle of fish.
But I think you see, yeah, there's,there's a mix of between people
who are being enthusiastic and whoare clearly, clearly fans of Vogue
versus just like your average.
Comedian heckler.
Like you have people who gointo the show because they know
who Bo is and they love him.
And then you probably have people goinglike, oh, we'll go see a comedy show.
This guy's meant to be good.
Dunno anything about it.
Well, one of the people in the formercamp, there is a video of him being

(57:40):
particularly venomous, uh, towards someonein the audience who he is, uh, saying
is being like loud and disrespectful.
And Bo when he later did a Reddit amashout out to when people did them.
Yeah.
Um, he is like, I learned after I didthis show and went off at this heckler

(58:02):
that the person in the crowd wasactually my aunt who had been given a
ticket by my mom and was just drunk.
So that's kind of like when you can'tsee who the audience is and you're
just shooting from the hip like this.
Yeah.
The risk of friendly fire.
Yeah.
I, but I mean, like, that's the thing.
If someone is like, repeatedly Yeah.

(58:22):
If someone's like reallyinebriated and they're just.
You know, they think they're beingfunny or they're having a good time.
I, I'm always just like, please don'tlike no crowd interaction like that,
especially if they're not asking for it.
But
I, yeah, personally hate,
yeah.
Not a fan of hackers being
expected to do crowd interactionor doing crowd interaction.
But I think, I think it's moreculturally, I think, I think Americans

(58:46):
are just more, uh, communicativegenerally and have less inhibitions.
There's, whereas likeAustralians, English people like
Yeah.
Are very mortifying, apologeticor very, I don't know.
There's something about the, um, I don'tlike the audacity or the entitlement
of being like, I'm like, this is mymoment, and I'm like, it's literally
not, you are literally in the crowd.

(59:07):
What, like, I just, I, I don't know.
I, I don't get the, the, the mindset,especially when it's not a comedian
who's like inviting that type ofparticipation, like in a lot of these,
and there's a 27 minute compilationof like bo responding to heckler, epic
crowd work moments, big crowd work
moments.
Uh, it's pretty.
Yeah, there's a lot of occasions, andyou can imagine there would fend many

(59:27):
more that weren't kept on, you know,caught on camera, um, of bo responding
to heckler, and some of them are likein response to things he's saying.
So you're like, okay, I can, again,I'm not like endorsing heckler, but
at least I can be like, okay, they'relike drunk and they're responding to
something he's said, being like, whowould be this kind of person anyway?
And someone's being like me.
And you're like, yeah, okay, fine.
Um, but then sometimes it's him, youknow, moving between numbers, moving

(59:50):
from the microphone over to his pianoand you know, doing a transition joke and
they're then like interrupting his flow.
And I do think that isreally, really rude.
Um, but I, I do wonder and if, yeah,if there is like an element to when
you continually acknowledge and likekind of put a, put a spotlight on

(01:00:12):
people who are, because some of these,and okay, maybe, maybe I'm being
too generous here, but some of themare quite innocuous, like heckles.
Yeah.
Like I think a lot of it is, uh, peoplewill be like, oh, dealing with hecklers is
just part of the job, but Bo's reaction,you can, I think, and reading into it,
but it does seem like there is a personal,like a venom to some of these people.

(01:00:37):
Like the way he, likescreams at them to be quiet.
Yeah.
I'm conscious that we are reallygoing into the nitty gritty
of his not YouTube videos.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I, I
just think it's, I don't know.
I, I think it's, I think it's justinteresting in terms of yeah, there would
be different, there are some comedianswho would just be, and we, we've been
at shows where someone's been heckledor responded to someone in the crowd,

(01:00:59):
you know, making a loud remark maybe outof time with the rest of the audience.
Um, and there's a level of just like,you kind of just acknowledge it, move on.
Yeah.
Or you just ignore them.
Um, but it seems like even forthe super brief ones, he fully
will be like, stop everything.
Uh.
Pointing them out, and I'm like, whoa,
I'm gonna pull this from one of hisinterviews because, uh, while in standup

(01:01:21):
we're saying it's rude to heckle whenyou're a YouTuber, anyone could heckle.
It's called the, uh, the comments section.
Yeah.
And, uh, Bo was like, I remember one ofthe first comments I ever read on one of
my videos, uh, was simply now beginningthe quote, go, go gadget Effler end quote.
Which is an insane and, butsort of like just, I don't know.

(01:01:44):
That's, that's the internet in 2006.
But commenting that on a child's video,like maybe Google, were right to make you
all use your real name on video comments.
Yeah.
Still doesn't work.
I'm speaking as someone who'slooked at their comments section
recently, people will just be like,
yeah, TikTok and Instagram real commentsare like perfect examples of that.
I, they're

(01:02:04):
crazy work also.
I'm not, I'm, I am usually of camp.
Uh, ignore comment, like,ignore, rude comment.
Like it doesn't deserve time.
But occasionally, occasionally,uh, I, I will respond.
Um, I had one recently wheresomeone was like, just being like,
you didn't put enough blush on.
We can't see it.
Like, but it was rude.

(01:02:25):
It was with a rude tone.
I just said something like, althoughI said something like, I didn't do
something, and I was like, I did do it.
You just didn't likewatch the video properly.
And I said something like, oh yeah,like, you can see your best here.
Um, also like you can just saylike, please and thank you.
Like, why, why?
Like, why are you talking to me like this?
And they were literallyjust like, oh, I'm so sorry.
Like, I love you.
Like, like sometimes I'm just like,I don't think, yeah, I've said this a

(01:02:48):
few times, but I'm like, do people seemto not, there's a real disconnect in
terms of like, Hey, so this actuallylike, comes to my phone and I see it.
Um, and I, I do think of Bo inthese, in these moments where he's
expressed that, you know, he'sreally struggled with anxiety.
Um, and I, I find thata little bit relatable.
Um.
And comment sections.

(01:03:10):
And I imagine also live heckling canbe such anxiety inducing experiences
because Yeah, there's like, and I thinkmaybe, I don't want to put anything
in his mouth, but there is like adehumanizing aspect in terms of receiving
rude comments or I guess being heckledwhere it's just very like disrespectful
in a way that you're just like, cool.

(01:03:31):
So like, I'm like not a real personthat's really sick and awesome.
Um, but yeah, he goes on to yeah,do lots of high performances.
And I apologize if I'm taking over the runthe run sheet of the episode, but um Yep.
Goes on to post a couple ofhis specials, including what?
And make happy.
Um, obviously these are technically,as we said, not I guess authentic

(01:03:54):
YouTube uploads, but we did watch,uh, I dunno what the name of the
song is, but it's the Kanye Ranch.
The Kanye Ranch.
Can't handle this.
Can't handle this.
Yeah.
Um, which I really like, has 42million views on his user channels.
I think that,
um, management control the channel.
Yeah, fair enough.
At this point back then.
Yeah.
Like, I don't think he has touchedthis account in 12 years, you know?

(01:04:17):
Yeah.
Probably not, but No.
Is, but it, it's, it'sgiving bo burn vivo. Yeah.
But it's like part of the channel,like, you know, it's a, it's a video.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
It's a video on youtube.com, but yeah.
Obviously we won't go into talking about,
oh, sorry.
There is one video that potentiallyhas both actual fingerprints on.

(01:04:38):
Mm-hmm.
And it's the promotionalvideo for eighth grade Yeah.
That you mentioned.
Where it is, uh, like shots, first of all,it get, they get the, the main girly from
eighth grade, uh, to do a little, Hey,I'm from eighth grade, watch the movie.
And then they do this like, filtereffect on shots from the film where it
makes them, it's like kaleidoscopic andit's like they're all like, yeah, like.

(01:05:01):
Eighth grade via like acid, whichis, I'm kind of like not really
sure what the angle of this is.
Imagine being like a lapsedBo Burnum subscriber and
you see this in the sub box.
Mm. But, um, I mean, he waspromoting his film, so, you know,
may as well use one of the biggestaudiences that you have on hand.
Yeah.
But at this point I would say BoBurnham was mainstream, but like, maybe

(01:05:25):
not like widely, super widely known.
Like you as a bit of a, a pop culturefanatic or not super aware of Bo Burnham
until inside, which was the Netflixspecial released in 2020 or 2021.
2021. COVID COVID Times.
Um, and obviously reallygood everyone likes inside.

(01:05:47):
I don't think there'sanyone who thinks it's bad.
No.
There's backlash.
Oh.
Because people are like, it wasonly successful 'cause we were
all isolating and in retrospectit's actually not very funny.
What, which is like arguablyall comedy really, ever.
But yeah, they're like,
the comedy that was relative to thesituation is not the situation I'm in now.
So it's not funny.
I'm like, there's, okay.

(01:06:07):
Um, so Bo Burnham, he is basicallyoff social media now, doesn't really
have any sort of public profile.
No.
Doesn't do anything on YouTube.
Recluse.
But in terms of a, a segue from YouTuberto like mainstream star, probably the
best example of anyone we've seen so far.

(01:06:29):
Yeah.
Like the Lonely Island I think arepeople who are still very, like,
intrinsically tied to YouTube
or like internet culture.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think there's a, a connect and even
their mainstream, like they like PopStar and the movies and things are
good, but they've never, I don't thinkthey've ever, uh, reached a wider
audience than the YouTube stuff did.

(01:06:49):
Well, Andy Sandbergdid Brooklyn nine nine.
Which is really popular.
We haven't seen it.
But,
sorry, let me rephrase.
I don't think anyone did anythingthat, uh, artistically, no.
Eclipsed what they did on YouTube.
Oh, okay.
It's more that, yeah, it's like,yeah, he's just on, he's, he's
quite far removed, I would say.

(01:07:10):
Whereas I think the lonely island andeven like SNL and things like that,
they've sort of come back around tounderstanding that the internet will
like, keep them alive and keep them going.
Whereas Bo is kind of, well,yeah, he, he, he's tached from
his online presence personally.
But ironically actually, um, 'causethere was one of the songs we were

(01:07:32):
listening to one of the earlier ones,and I realized that I knew the lyrics
and you're like, how do you know this?
And I was like, 'cause I hadn'tlistened to that song a lot.
And I realized it was, I waslike, oh, it was, it was popular
on TikTok, like semi recently.
The, um, I met a girlnamed Lexi, uh, Macy Macy.
And I try that again.
But then she was dyslexic, sowe ended up doing the YMCA.

(01:07:55):
See?
Yeah, I'm just like Bo Uh, but, andalso inside being, you know, coming
out in 2021, those clips had a hugelife on TikTok, like those songs, the
Jeffrey Bezos song, uh, white Woman'sInstagram, you know, so he, yeah, he is

(01:08:15):
personally removed from the internet, butthe internet is I think in inextricably
tied to his content performing.
I mean, he was a Netflix special.
Yeah.
It's streaming.
It's think more
like generationally, you'll just have likeentertainers who are like so talented.
It's like they're, they'resort of like bound for stardom.
Yeah.
So like Justin Bieber is like anexample where just given the age that

(01:08:38):
they were, YouTube is the, a natural.
First starting, starting point mm-hmm.
For their content.
Yeah.
And then they're discovered andthey quickly move on to, you
know, what they would think ofas bigger and better things.
A traditional media career.
Yeah.
Although, like
we have people who dothe opposite of that.
Not that they don't have mainstreamsuccess, but like, um, John Green, like

(01:09:00):
as I, as I was shocked by in the episode,you don't expect one of the highest
selling authors of all time to just bedoing, uh, blog, YouTube blog uploads.
Yeah.
Uh, on his YouTube channel.
Like, well, you know what's interestingis, um, I saw recently Ethel Kane,
who we have seen live, Ethel Kane

(01:09:20):
Cardigan,
Ethel Kain cardigan, uh, she has beenuploading YouTube vlogs, including
videos just about what perfumes.
She likes swag.
She just did a videobeing like, did it seem
genuine or did it seem genuine?
Bri genuine?
No, no.
It seemed like I opened my iMac Oh.
Swag.
And opened my webcam was justlike, I wanna talk about this.

(01:09:41):
Cool to the internet.
So Ethel's like fully in her likevlog era, like camera sitting on
the, you know, the bedroom floor.
Yeah.
I learn the gold mate beinglike, these are my thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's interesting that I thinkalso some people who have achieved
mainstream success at kind of comingto the internet to like reinforce
that success or bolster their fandom.
Uh, chapel Rone was also someonewho was just like posting on

(01:10:01):
TikTok a lot until recently.
Um, so yeah.
Interesting that Booseleft the intent behind.
I don't, we don't knowexactly, but definitely he'll
be back.
He'll be back
anyway.
Bo Beon, that's it.
That's Bo Beon, that's on YouTube.
What's our legacy thoughts?
I think like he was at YouTube live, sohe's sort of canonized in that sense.

(01:10:25):
Mm-hmm.
But I think the lack of real,like community engagement, like
he, he's always doing very muchlike I love, like I love you guys.
I did it because of you.
Thank you fans.
But there really, he never seems to.
Feel, it never feels as, um, sort ofhanging out with your bestie one-on-one,

(01:10:47):
which is a vibe that a lot of theearly YouTubers, uh, really trade off.
Mm-hmm.
It almost films like he's just usinghis YouTube channel as an avenue to
release his music, and that's likea much more traditional artist.
And that is an artist audiencerelationship That is valid.
I mean, in the, in the, theKanye song, the Kanye inspired
one, um, which i, I really love.

(01:11:08):
I just think I wanna have adaughter so she can put her tiny
hand inside the Pringle can.
It's just such a, it's still hits.
I really liked it when I first sawit, and I still really like it now.
I think it's, it's very cute.
Um, but in that he does express, like, Ilove you, but I hate you speaking directly
to the audience, to his fans being like,you know, it, I, I do all this for you,

(01:11:30):
but I, I don't really wanna care what youthink, but I need to care what you think.
Because that's how, like, you know.
I, I'm able to do it.
Um, and I think that is likea, a common artist lament, and
I think it's, I don't know.
I, I think it's, it's nice tosee him be candid about that.
I think it does speak a lot tothe interviews he's done about his
anxieties and things like that.

(01:11:51):
But in terms of, sorry, legacy, um,you know, og edgy, musical comedian.
You don't know who John Coza is, do you?
No.
Mm, yeah.
We'll do it at some point.
Where's, where's Bo on your YouTube boy?
Crushed here.
Oh.
Um,
is he above Andy Sandberg?

(01:12:13):
Yes.
Uh, wow.
Okay.
Probably was when I was a teenager.
Now it's probably reversed becauseI res, I really like that Andy
Sandberg's, like a hardcore wife guy.
Um,
okay.
Like he loves his wife.
I don't know.
Let's not, we can't really pullinto, I'm talking over the time.
Yeah, like as a teenager, I, Iwould've liked by Bernard more.
Okay.
Yeah, because I, so he just, number

(01:12:33):
one,
um, I didn't engage with thatmany men on the internet,
so probably,
I mean, I liked Benedict Cumba a lot.
Okay.
But that's not,
he's not a YouTuber, but
YouTuber I liked, unfortunately,a lot of the YouTubers I
like, I, I did like John Coza.
I did like Troy Sivan.
I liked Dan and Phil.

(01:12:55):
So,
so, we'll, we'll take it Bo number one.
That's nice.
Bo.
Probably number one.
YouTuber who remained straight.
Bo Burnham.
If you're watching, enter theLucy Live Lover fan contest.
Uh, guaranteed number one placement.
No.
Um, no.
Okay.
And that is it.
Wait,
no.
Whoa.
What was your favorite video?

(01:13:16):
Oh, yeah, please, please.
Um,
you don't have one?
Definitely.
Uh, the first one all is it,all my family, the first one.
Uh, the, the family?
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're my family.
Because you're like, think I'm gay.
Yeah.
Close records.
Because you're like the IRL.
I
just love it.
Like Obama girl.
Um, I love it when a channel has anabsolutely banging first video Okay.

(01:13:37):
That you can just point to and belike, this is why they're on the map.
This is why they're a star.
This is like boom.
From day dot.
Yeah.
Okay.
Like, you know.
Yeah.
Alright.
What about you?
Um, does it really count?
'cause it's not really a YouTube video.
I, I do like the, the endingof, uh, his special make happy

(01:13:59):
because I think it Does that count?
No.
What, what is this even?
Is this even on YouTube?
I wanna have a daughter.
Oh, you mean the Kanye Ranch?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Can I count?
Yeah.
Look, there are no rules.
Uh, otherwise I'd haveto like, pull up a list.
I also like the one you said.
Does that I,
that is more than, okay.

(01:14:19):
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Thank you.
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Okay.
Audience, listen up.
Almond Friend Japan is what you willcommonly find, you know, and you'd most
be likely to find in your day-to-day life.

(01:14:39):
Uh, sandwich between inside analmond croissant, which is, you
know, what gives it the almondness other than the almonds on top.
It is ground almonds or almond meal, eggsugar, butter, all whipped up together.
A bit of vanilla.
Mm,
delicious.
Uh, and you can have it as is.

(01:15:00):
You can put it on toastand put it under the grill.
You can bake it into a tart,which is what I did this weekend.
I made an almond FrenchPan Tart with beer.
Yep.
Did you like it?
You ate?
It was delicious.
Thank you.
Um, it was really beautiful.
It was a really beautiful tart, and itwas delicious and it was really easy.
And I was like, I could bedoing this all the time.
And this is such a, you know,multipurpose baking things.

(01:15:21):
So.
Everyone.
I think I got my recipe from Sirius Eats.
I think that could be, it could bewrong, but everyone just learn how
to make a good almond French Japan.
So multipurpose.
So yummy.
Almond.
We love almonds in this family.
We do love almonds.
My subscription this week and I actually,I teased that it will be controversial.

(01:15:41):
You said me even before you toldme who we were doing this week and
that's why it's actually crazy.
'cause this person hasa personal connection.
What, to the subject ofthis week's episode, what?
This week my subscriptionis Gracie Abrams.
Okay.
Gracie Abrams, daughter ofJJ Abrams film director.

(01:16:02):
I
knew, I knew this was coming.
Maker of soft indie pop musicin the vein of Taylor Swift.
Yep.
And Phoebe Bridges.
Yeah.
Well, she, she, while
recycling theircollaborators, Jack Antonoff,
well, she was an openeron the, the ERAS tour.
Yes.
And I have been thinking about gettinginto Gracie Abrams because I, I am

(01:16:26):
a fan of the, the, it's picking up a
sport
early albums of Taylor Swift.
And obviously I am a bigfan of Phoebe Bridges.
I'm shocked we didn't bringthat up in this episode.
That's why I'm, that's why I was like,it's crazy that this is my subscription.
'cause it will give us anopportunity to talk about it.
Okay.
Because, uh, for those of you thatdon't know, Bo Burnham for the

(01:16:47):
last few years has been in ourrelationship with Phoebe Bridges,
another sort of indie pop songwriter.
Mm-hmm.
Song.
Song, sorry.
Songwriter and performer performingartist, singer songwriter.
Singer songwriter.
Correct.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Um, and Gracie Abrams,her music is so much.

(01:17:11):
Product of its influences that it'sa bit disconcerting because prior to
Gracie Abrams, uh, sorry, prior to datingBob Burnham, Phoebe Bridges dated Paul
Mescal, who Gracie Abrams is now dating.
So it's a bit like if I was someonewatching Lucy Liven videos and I was

(01:17:34):
like, I really gotta be Lucy Liven.
And then I made videos exactlylike Lucy Liven, and then I
dated me like, max, I stole yourboyfriend and started dating him.
Well, it's like verylike skin walker vibes.
It's so weird.
Do you think Gracey Abramsis single white female ing?
There's a thing where on this album?

(01:17:54):
Mm. And this is like a classic, likeit's really like on the nose, like
Taylor Swift leaving clues for her fans.
There's a song called, I wanna say NormalThing, and it's about the perspective
of falling in love with someone.
Watching them on thescreen, so like it's Yeah.
You know, it's, it's herfalling in love with Paul Mezcal

(01:18:15):
watching normal people, right.
I mean,
relatable content for both of us.
Right?
But the
thing is, this is exactly whatPhoebe Bridges said when she began
her relationship with Paul Mezcal.
And at that point it was COVID, and Ithink she flew to Ireland to meet him,
which like, that is actually crazy.
But the fact that it's the same, likemeet cute, it's the exact same situation.
And she wrote a song about it.

(01:18:37):
Um, all of this is, I'm obviously weighingthe gossip here, the album, this, the,
we're we're coming out as being,uh, fans of the Paul Mescal, Phoebe
Bridges, Bo Burnham, Gracie Abrams, likeLove Quadrangle, Daisy, Edgar Jones.
I know like we are all acrossthis stuff, but the natural
music, um, I, the ballads all I basically.
Uh, have no interest in 'causeit's like very perfunctory stuff.

(01:19:00):
Uh, but the, the more uptempo likepop hits songs, which very much
like early Taylor Swift coated,
you mean?
Ooh, yes.
Bacon and Egg and Cheese.
They actually so good.
Very catchy.
Yeah.
And there is a real knack for, uh,making TikTok songwriting, uh, excerpts.
Yes.
And, uh, if she had a whole album of,uh, she had like her 1989, it would

(01:19:23):
be actually, I think, very listenable.
She also, if she could like, moveon from like the, the Jack Antonoff
like production school to somethinga bit more novel, that would be cool.
But I really like, I'm not puttingher on my, like Mount Rushmore of Pop
Girlies, but I, I sort of get the appeal.
Okay.

(01:19:43):
And it's like, you know, it's kind of likewe don't have, and you stay with come,
we don't have a new Phoebe Bridges album.
Like Taylor Swift iswashed, so they, whoa.
I do kind of want like a newsinger songwriter, pop girly.
So I did chop
You didn't, not chapel.
Uh, I've, I have listened to the Chapelalbum and it kind of washed over me.

(01:20:05):
Hmm.
But I, I need to give it a prop shot.
I did listen to Melodrama the Lordalbum immediately after Gracie
Abrams, and I was like, oh, wow.
It's actually, this is what, like abanger back to back album is like Mm.
Just to give myself some perspective.
But I, yeah.
I tentatively, and Sony has secondalbum, so, and she's a massive star now.

(01:20:27):
So I, I'm looking, I'mbullish on Gracie Abrams.
Can you, can you do your best?
Ooh, woo.
No, I'm not doing that.
Oh, it would, it would hurt the audience.
Oh.
Um, cool.
That's, uh, this week's episode ofRewind Time and we will be back next
week with more rewinding with anotherOG YouTuber I imagine from this era.

(01:20:50):
Bye bye.
Ooh, bacon, bacon, bacon, egg and cheese.
So good.

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