Beyond the Neutral Zone: Risk, Trust, and Business Confidence with Klaus Jaeck and Daniel Cassel

In this episode of Risk Is Our Business, Michael Rasmussen charts a course with Klaus Jaeck and Daniel Cassel of Horváth to explore the next frontier in enterprise risk management, where resilience is just the baseline, and business confidence is the true objective.

Recorded at Corporate Risk Minds 2025 in Berlin, Klaus and Daniel offer a sharp perspective on how risk management is evolving across the region, moving beyond regulatory routines and static controls into dynamic systems that align risk with strategy, trust, and decision-making agility. They unpack why trust and resilience, while critical, aren’t enough on their own, and why organizations need something more to thrive in the vast unknowns of modern business.

They also take us deep into the heart of GRC transformation in Germany—what’s working, what’s lagging, and how digitalization, ESG, and a growing risk consciousness are reshaping expectations. The conversation explores how risk leaders can act less like tactical responders and more like bridge officers, guiding the ship, not just guarding the hull.

And yes, they have fun along the way. As Klaus and Daniel say, “no risk, no fun”, but with the right GRC model, it’s a mission worth taking.