CEO Kiss Cam Scandal, Organ Theft in Turkey—Hoax or Horror? & MAGA Turns on Trump

 

What do a CEO’s affair caught live at a Coldplay concert, the viral rumours of organ theft in Turkey’s surgery scene, and MAGA’s epic meltdown over Trump’s Epstein files have in common? They’re all on SpinCycle this week.

First, Gab and Claire break down the “Kiss Cam” moment that blew up a $1.3 billion tech firm—and what happens when a workplace affair goes public (especially for women). Next, we dive into the truth behind those wild stories of organ theft and botched surgery in Turkey: Is there any real evidence, or is it just social media horror folklore? What are the real risks—and how can you avoid becoming a cautionary tale? Finally, US politics gets messier as Trump’s MAGA base turns on him for failing to release the infamous Epstein client list. Why are the conspiracy theorists suddenly accusing him of a cover-up?

Plus:

• Top of mind: Monet at the NGV, and why The Gilded Age is your new binge obsession.

• Smart, funny takes on power, media spin, and why believing every headline can get weird fast.

• Relatable, insightful chat from two Aussie friends with MBAs who never take things at face value.

If you love pop culture deep-dives, viral news, and laughing at the chaos, hit follow and share with a friend still waiting for “the list.”

Episode Transcript

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Claire, I don't know if you've seen this headline that I've seen today. 2 00:00:04,542.8571428571 --> 00:00:04,771.4285714286 No. 3 00:00:04,942.8571428571 --> 00:00:11,942.857142857 And it's reminding me too much of Harry Potter and the prisoner of Ban. 4 00:00:11,971.428571429 --> 00:00:15,885.714285714 Are you familiar with that? Harry Potter? The movie Harry Potter is my bible. 5 00:00:15,914.285714286 --> 00:00:16,457.142857143 Okay, cool. 6 00:00:16,657.142857143 --> 00:00:21,800 So you know in Professor Tani's class when they're reading the tea leaves, yeah. 7 00:00:22,514.285714286 --> 00:00:26,200 So the headline that I saw was.

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.857142857Basically, a Greek woman has filed divorce papers because chat, GPT read the leftover coffee of her husband and determined that her husband must be cheating on her. 9 00:00:44,671.428571429 --> 00:00:54,14.285714286 What? Yeah, so to put it plainly, she asked chat tip PT if her husband was cheating on her, and if when chat tip PT said, provide me information. 10 00:00:54,857.142857143 --> 00:01:00,85.714285714 She showed Chacha Bt a photo of the leftover coffee and said, read this. 11 00:01:00,85.714285714 --> 00:01:08,485.714285714 So somewhere in the world, someone has fed chat t's large learning model, how to determine if, how to read coffee drags. 12 00:01:08,628.571428571 --> 00:01:09,28.571428571 Yeah. 13 00:01:09,114.285714286 --> 00:01:09,857.142857143 So yeah. 14 00:01:09,857.142857143 --> 00:01:12,200 But isn't this just ai. 15 00:01:12,847.619047619 --> 00:01:18,761.904761905 Hallucinating, but also that next level of tarot cards, I mean, it has a confirmation bias that's to the extreme. 16 00:01:18,761.904761905 --> 00:01:21,533.333333333 Like every time I put a scenario in, it's like you are always in the right. 17 00:01:21,533.333333333 --> 00:01:24,761.904761905 I'm like, thank you, but I don't think I am in this scenario. 18 00:01:24,761.904761905 --> 00:01:27,723.809523809 No, but it she far for divorce. 19 00:01:27,980.952380952 --> 00:01:30,638.095238095 Three days later during reckon she was also in retrograde. 20 00:01:31,252.380952381 --> 00:01:36,928.571428571 Oh yeah, I think Mercury and retrograde, or how we like to say chaos in micro microwave and chaos. 21 00:01:36,985.714285714 --> 00:01:37,928.571428571 Chaos in lemonade.

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.857142857Chaos in lemonade. 23 00:01:39,71.428571429 --> 00:01:39,528.571428571 Chaos in lemonade. 24 00:01:41,735.71080139 --> 00:01:51,335.71080139 Coming up this week on spin cycle, we kick off with the Coldplay kiss cam scandal that exposed the CEO of HR affair and ignited a corporate firestorm. 25 00:01:51,735.71080139 --> 00:01:56,649.99651568 Then we head to Turkey where the booming medical industry tourism comes with some seriously shady risks. 26 00:01:56,878.56794425 --> 00:02:00,221.42508711 And finally, we dive into the wildest twists in US politics. 27 00:02:00,535.71080139 --> 00:02:05,878.56794425 MAGA turning on Trump over the Epstein files, betrayal, scandal, and black market boob jobs. 28 00:02:05,935.71080139 --> 00:02:07,21.42508711 It's all happening today. 29 00:02:23,347.91936537 --> 00:02:29,317.91936537 Welcome to Spin Cycle, where we dig into the stories shaping the world and take a closer look at the patterns, power plays. 30 00:02:29,317.91936537 --> 00:02:37,27.91936537 And yes, the biases hiding in plain sight where Gab and Claire, two friends with MBAs, A lot of opinions and a healthy amount of skepticism. 31 00:02:37,327.91936537 --> 00:02:40,327.91936537 We're here to help you think twice and maybe have a few laughs. 32 00:02:40,627.91936537 --> 00:02:41,402.91936537 Let's get spinning. 33 00:02:41,771.04861707 --> 00:02:48,456.76290279 But first Gab, what's top of mind for you this week? Top of mind for me is actually a bit of a art girly moment. 34 00:02:48,456.76290279 --> 00:02:48,542.4771885 Mm-hmm. 35 00:02:48,771.04861707 --> 00:02:54,209.14385517 And that is a quote, I went to the NGV on Friday for Friday nights. 36 00:02:54,294.85814088 --> 00:02:54,580.5724266 Yeah. 37 00:02:54,809.14385517 --> 00:02:55,975.81052183 So for those not. 38 00:02:56,594.85814088 --> 00:02:57,794.85814088 Living in Melbourne. 39 00:02:57,909.14385517 --> 00:03:00,252.00099802 Uh, and that's the National Gallery of Victoria. 40 00:03:00,604.38195041 --> 00:03:05,623.42956945 On Friday nights with their big exhibitions, they run it's like a fun night with music. 41 00:03:05,966.28671231 --> 00:03:06,737.71528374 It's a vibe. 42 00:03:06,823.42956945 --> 00:03:06,909.14385517 Mm-hmm. 43 00:03:07,204.38195041 --> 00:03:10,652.00099802 But particularly what's on at the moment is French Impressionism. 44 00:03:10,947.23909326 --> 00:03:14,161.52480755 I finally saw Monet's Water Lilies. 45 00:03:14,190.09623612 --> 00:03:14,218.66766469 Mm. 46 00:03:14,304.38195041 --> 00:03:17,590.09623612 Which I don't know if you're familiar with, but I have. 47 00:03:17,704.38195041 --> 00:03:18,790.09623612 I love this since I was a kid. 48 00:03:18,790.09623612 --> 00:03:20,647.23909326 I think partly it's because I had a puzzle. 49 00:03:21,32.95337898 --> 00:03:24,518.66766469 At home of that one of the water lilies pieces. 50 00:03:24,547.23909326 --> 00:03:24,832.95337898 Yeah. 51 00:03:24,832.95337898 --> 00:03:28,518.66766469 And then I, yeah, I remember in year eight I actually painted it in art class. 52 00:03:28,518.66766469 --> 00:03:31,813.90575993 I tried my own impressionism and that was, that turned out not too bad. 53 00:03:32,71.04861707 --> 00:03:33,699.62004564 So anyway, it was really nice to see it. 54 00:03:33,699.62004564 --> 00:03:45,471.04861707 But I think as well, what I loved about the gallery, which is probably not the purpose of it, but the fit out of the rooms, it was very Mary Antoinette, if you can imagine, like, it felt really regal French. 55 00:03:45,980.5724266 --> 00:03:47,609.14385517 18 hundreds vibes. 56 00:03:48,37.71528374 --> 00:03:58,761.52480755 And that I was, it's kind of sad because I look at my gallery on my phone and I've probably got more photos of the room de like decor than I do of the paintings. 57 00:03:58,990.09623612 --> 00:03:59,532.95337898 Oh wow. 58 00:03:59,561.52480755 --> 00:04:01,161.52480755 But was the collection good? Yeah. 59 00:04:01,161.52480755 --> 00:04:05,333.90575993 Oh, there was So do you know what I thought there wasn't gonna be much, but there was a lot pieces. 60 00:04:05,337.71528374 --> 00:04:06,104.38195041 They have quite pieces. 61 00:04:06,104.38195041 --> 00:04:06,618.66766469 Yeah. 62 00:04:06,713.90575993 --> 00:04:08,342.4771885 And they were all so beautiful. 63 00:04:08,342.4771885 --> 00:04:08,942.4771885 It was really fun. 64 00:04:08,971.04861707 --> 00:04:10,799.62004564 And then they had a contemporary artist. 65 00:04:11,509.14385517 --> 00:04:20,166.28671231 So listen to them while sipping on my non-alcoholic wine, do they have non-alcoholic wine there? They actually did, and I had non, which was the one that we had together the other week. 66 00:04:20,452.00099802 --> 00:04:20,480.5724266 Oh. 67 00:04:20,766.28671231 --> 00:04:21,680.5724266 So it's actually nice. 68 00:04:21,680.5724266 --> 00:04:23,752.00099802 I, you know, I felt like a part, I was part of it. 69 00:04:23,866.28671231 --> 00:04:24,594.85814088 A yeah. 70 00:04:24,594.85814088 --> 00:04:24,595.81052183 Yeah. 71 00:04:25,109.14385517 --> 00:04:25,737.71528374 Oh, I love that. 72 00:04:26,52.00099802 --> 00:04:34,232.95337898 And what's top of mind for you this week? I've been watching the Gilded Age this is a hundred percent up my alley and I have no idea how it's got to three season three and I haven't watched it. 73 00:04:34,232.95337898 --> 00:04:38,947.23909326 It's a period drama set in 1880s New York, but it's not your typical old money show. 74 00:04:38,947.23909326 --> 00:04:43,375.81052183 It's got all the politics, petty social maneuvering, and it's so comforting. 75 00:04:44,18.66766469 --> 00:04:46,447.23909326 Like a fancy slow burn soap opera. 76 00:04:46,542.4771885 --> 00:04:46,809.14385517 And the. 77 00:04:47,552.00099802 --> 00:04:50,123.42956945 Costuming and the set design is beautiful. 78 00:04:50,256.76290279 --> 00:04:53,171.04861707 Claire, our top of minds really do compliment each other today. 79 00:04:53,228.19147422 --> 00:04:53,542.4771885 I think. 80 00:04:53,542.4771885 --> 00:04:55,685.33433136 I have not watched this, but I think I would love it. 81 00:04:55,742.4771885 --> 00:04:56,913.90575993 Yeah, it's so good. 82 00:04:57,85.33433136 --> 00:05:01,628.19147422 My favorite character is played by Carrie Coon, um, Mrs. 83 00:05:01,628.19147422 --> 00:05:02,828.19147422 Russell, and she's got this Oh, I love her. 84 00:05:02,999.62004564 --> 00:05:03,399.62004564 Yeah. 85 00:05:03,485.33433136 --> 00:05:04,228.19147422 Stunning. 86 00:05:04,342.4771885 --> 00:05:12,918.66766469 She has this like Novo rich queen trying to force her way into high society, and it's all to get a seat at the Astor and Vanderbilt table, and she's so relentless. 87 00:05:14,185.33433136 --> 00:05:16,413.90575993 And you're saying it's up to season three? Yeah. 88 00:05:16,842.4771885 --> 00:05:21,242.4771885 Where are you watching it? I'm watching it on Paramount Plus they had like a discount through Prime. 89 00:05:21,247.23909326 --> 00:05:21,294.85814088 Okay. 90 00:05:21,299.62004564 --> 00:05:21,871.04861707 Okay, cool. 91 00:05:22,499.62004564 --> 00:05:24,213.90575993 And it's got some other big names in it. 92 00:05:24,213.90575993 --> 00:05:30,71.04861707 It's got Christine Baranski and she's in the good wife and Mama Mia, and she's this icy old money matriarch. 93 00:05:30,490.09623612 --> 00:05:32,890.09623612 And then her sister who she judges all the time. 94 00:05:32,890.09623612 --> 00:05:34,518.66766469 And it's Cynthia Nixon from Sex and the City. 95 00:05:35,775.81052183 --> 00:05:43,618.66766469 Um, why is this show not popped off? What been, actually, I think because it's Paramount Plus, so it's sort of like hidden, but it's great. 96 00:05:43,847.23909326 --> 00:05:52,428.19147422 And the thing I also love is that it like talks about families such as the Astor, the Rockefellers JP Morgan's, like the Morgan family. 97 00:05:52,428.19147422 --> 00:05:52,799.62004564 Yeah. 98 00:05:52,799.62004564 --> 00:05:52,828.19147422 Okay. 99 00:05:52,885.33433136 --> 00:05:53,771.04861707 As being like. 100 00:05:54,271.04861707 --> 00:05:56,985.33433136 Trashy new money, but they now are old money. 101 00:05:57,185.33433136 --> 00:05:57,499.62004564 Oh. 102 00:05:57,499.62004564 --> 00:05:59,842.4771885 So that really brings in history into this. 103 00:05:59,847.23909326 --> 00:06:00,28.19147422 Yes. 104 00:06:00,199.62004564 --> 00:06:01,56.76290279 Oh, I love this. 105 00:06:01,56.76290279 --> 00:06:02,156.76290279 They do it so well. 106 00:06:02,185.33433136 --> 00:06:04,385.33433136 To highly recommend that I am binging it. 107 00:06:04,385.33433136 --> 00:06:08,185.33433136 Like I was saying to one of my friends, well, it was actually our producer Tyler. 108 00:06:08,871.04861707 --> 00:06:09,99.62004564 Oh, Ty. 109 00:06:09,99.62004564 --> 00:06:09,499.62004564 Ty. 110 00:06:09,499.62004564 --> 00:06:10,128.19147422 Hi Ty. 111 00:06:10,128.19147422 --> 00:06:10,813.90575993 Know you're listening. 112 00:06:10,871.04861707 --> 00:06:13,448.19147422 That cause season three is episode by episode. 113 00:06:13,619.62004564 --> 00:06:17,19.62004564 I think I've got like about a week of episodes to go before I'm up to date. 114 00:06:17,662.4771885 --> 00:06:20,433.90575993 It's kind of bittersweet because then you can't binge anymore. 115 00:06:20,519.62004564 --> 00:06:21,376.76290279 Yeah, a hundred percent. 116 00:06:23,288.76290279 --> 00:06:30,88.76290279 Claire, we can't go through this episode without talking about something that extraordinary, which has happened this week. 117 00:06:30,88.76290279 --> 00:06:33,417.33433136 It blew off, which was the cold pla kiss cam. 118 00:06:34,355.42956945 --> 00:06:44,826.85814088 It wasn't really a sweet moment that you expect from seeing at a kiss cam, and if you have been living under a rock, it was the Andy Byron CEO of $1.3 119 00:06:44,826.85814088 --> 00:06:45,698.28671231 billion. 120 00:06:45,993.52480755 --> 00:06:47,393.52480755 Firm astronomer. 121 00:06:48,250.66766469 --> 00:06:48,964.95337898 Astronomer. 122 00:06:49,50.66766469 --> 00:06:49,793.52480755 Astronomer, yeah. 123 00:06:50,22.09623612 --> 00:06:52,393.52480755 Court embracing his wait for it. 124 00:06:52,879.23909326 --> 00:06:53,764.95337898 HR chief. 125 00:06:53,822.09623612 --> 00:06:54,450.66766469 Hilarious. 126 00:06:54,774.4771885 --> 00:06:59,812.5724266 Kristen Cabo Mid-Con so when the camera pans over to them. 127 00:07:00,412.5724266 --> 00:07:10,245.90575993 He, they were I can't even describe just in utter shock, but also it was like that catch 22 moment of like, oh, like it's over. 128 00:07:10,303.04861707 --> 00:07:10,960.19147422 You know, it's over. 129 00:07:10,960.19147422 --> 00:07:12,960.19147422 You can see them completely panic. 130 00:07:13,417.33433136 --> 00:07:25,426.85814088 And Chris Martin's like, what's going on here? You know, they're either shy or they're having an affair, and so it turns out they were having an affair and they were both married, I mean. 131 00:07:25,969.71528374 --> 00:07:26,884.00099802 Oh my God. 132 00:07:26,884.00099802 --> 00:07:29,26.85814088 The destruction they have left in their wake. 133 00:07:29,284.00099802 --> 00:07:30,141.14385517 Oh, they have. 134 00:07:30,169.71528374 --> 00:07:37,341.14385517 So what's happened is that since then Andy has resigned. 135 00:07:37,426.85814088 --> 00:07:37,769.71528374 Mm-hmm. 136 00:07:38,112.5724266 --> 00:07:40,626.85814088 Which I'm sure was in agreement with the board. 137 00:07:40,826.85814088 --> 00:07:47,255.42956945 I've been watching a number of hr, like experts on TikTok, and they kind of, they said either way, one of them had to go. 138 00:07:48,484.00099802 --> 00:08:00,931.62004564 Um, so either it was the CEO, but more likely it would be the chief people officer, particularly given that if the board held Andy in high regard for his performance and they didn't wanna destroy too much of the value of the firm. 139 00:08:01,160.19147422 --> 00:08:04,331.62004564 But in this case, he's resigned and she's probably gonna go as well. 140 00:08:04,645.90575993 --> 00:08:06,374.4771885 I know, but I think particularly because. 141 00:08:07,445.90575993 --> 00:08:08,474.4771885 Of the power dynamic. 142 00:08:08,474.4771885 --> 00:08:12,245.90575993 I don't think in any circumstance they would make her leave over him. 143 00:08:12,588.76290279 --> 00:08:15,445.90575993 I think that from a brand image perspective, no. 144 00:08:15,445.90575993 --> 00:08:26,274.4771885 A number of people that said that they've facilitated these types of exits said that it would be a severance type of scenario, like redundancy, and it's very generous because they're compensating you for the reputation. 145 00:08:26,274.4771885 --> 00:08:26,503.04861707 Hit. 146 00:08:26,788.76290279 --> 00:08:27,188.76290279 Yeah. 147 00:08:27,188.76290279 --> 00:08:31,331.62004564 Okay, so the HR or Shelly say. 148 00:08:31,598.28671231 --> 00:08:36,884.00099802 Chief People Officer is pending investigation, so on leave pending investigation. 149 00:08:37,655.42956945 --> 00:08:42,312.5724266 Hilarious again, that she's literally heads up hr. 150 00:08:42,369.71528374 --> 00:08:44,226.85814088 She's the one who's supposed to keep everyone accountable. 151 00:08:44,236.38195041 --> 00:08:47,179.23909326 The buck stops with her and to never blow the line. 152 00:08:47,236.38195041 --> 00:08:50,607.81052183 But also like, how can anyone take her seriously? You can't. 153 00:08:50,817.33433136 --> 00:08:53,760.19147422 And neither of them I don't think have made public statements this point, except that fake one. 154 00:08:54,360.19147422 --> 00:09:03,474.4771885 What was the fake one? Oh, the fake one was great, but it was basically like, had a quote and sort of called out Coldplay for, unfairly putting they didn't all consent to being filmed. 155 00:09:03,617.33433136 --> 00:09:04,217.33433136 Oh, that's hilarious. 156 00:09:04,217.33433136 --> 00:09:14,26.85814088 And Coldplay responded thinking that was legitimate statement and said going forward their concerts will have a section with no cameras for people to bring their side pieces. 157 00:09:14,198.28671231 --> 00:09:15,741.14385517 Oh, that is so funny. 158 00:09:15,969.71528374 --> 00:09:16,569.71528374 Excellent. 159 00:09:16,769.71528374 --> 00:09:17,712.5724266 Excellent response. 160 00:09:17,741.14385517 --> 00:09:18,741.14385517 Oh my God. 161 00:09:18,941.14385517 --> 00:09:20,455.42956945 The worst thing they did was responding. 162 00:09:20,455.42956945 --> 00:09:23,512.5724266 If they had just kissed, maybe it could have gotten out. 163 00:09:23,712.5724266 --> 00:09:25,969.71528374 If it did, it wouldn't have blown out the way it did. 164 00:09:26,198.28671231 --> 00:09:29,569.71528374 But because they both freaked out, that was what blew it off. 165 00:09:29,912.5724266 --> 00:09:34,426.85814088 Well, this, this, I've been thinking about this, and I think I sent you a TikTok where it was like that I was doing the heim length. 166 00:09:34,998.28671231 --> 00:09:39,655.42956945 If I, yeah, it was like if I was caught at a concert. 167 00:09:40,41.14385517 --> 00:09:42,126.85814088 And I'm with the person I'm having an affair with. 168 00:09:42,126.85814088 --> 00:09:46,726.85814088 What would you pretend in that moment? And it was so many scenarios, it was like, you know, they're choking. 169 00:09:46,726.85814088 --> 00:09:49,698.28671231 I'm trying to help them, or they're trying to mug me. 170 00:09:49,726.85814088 --> 00:09:52,269.71528374 There was so many other ways that they could have responded. 171 00:09:52,298.28671231 --> 00:09:55,12.5724266 And they just froze. 172 00:09:55,241.14385517 --> 00:09:55,841.14385517 They froze. 173 00:09:55,841.14385517 --> 00:09:58,612.5724266 They reacted because they knew they were doing the wrong thing. 174 00:09:58,869.71528374 --> 00:10:03,555.42956945 And so how are their marriages that, so Tristan and her only been married for nine months. 175 00:10:04,141.14385517 --> 00:10:09,284.00099802 Her new husband runs a distillery in Massachusetts and Andy himself is married and has two children. 176 00:10:09,284.00099802 --> 00:10:12,198.28671231 So they have just caused absolute destruction. 177 00:10:12,226.85814088 --> 00:10:13,741.14385517 Their families are also dragged into it. 178 00:10:13,741.14385517 --> 00:10:14,741.14385517 And they didn't consent to that. 179 00:10:15,598.28671231 --> 00:10:16,769.71528374 Yeah, no they didn't. 180 00:10:16,874.4771885 --> 00:10:19,188.76290279 I also wanna bring it back to that power imbalance. 181 00:10:19,188.76290279 --> 00:10:28,674.4771885 So yes, it's the CEO and the HR lead, but it's also beyond that sort of this governance crisis. 182 00:10:29,645.90575993 --> 00:10:34,45.90575993 I think interesting in what you said before of they had, were considering letting her go. 183 00:10:34,245.90575993 --> 00:10:41,331.62004564 Whereas I'm thinking with the gender lens of, particularly now in today's world, I just can't see that happening. 184 00:10:41,788.76290279 --> 00:10:44,703.04861707 I mean, this isn't chat and house rules. 185 00:10:44,703.04861707 --> 00:10:46,160.19147422 We're literally putting this on record. 186 00:10:46,217.33433136 --> 00:10:46,331.62004564 Yeah. 187 00:10:46,331.62004564 --> 00:10:51,303.04861707 But unfortunately gab it, this rarely ends up well for the woman. 188 00:10:51,503.04861707 --> 00:10:52,531.62004564 That is a, a reality. 189 00:10:52,536.38195041 --> 00:10:53,388.76290279 I know, I know, I know. 190 00:10:53,388.76290279 --> 00:10:54,17.33433136 You're right. 191 00:10:54,103.04861707 --> 00:10:55,617.33433136 And it's not, we're not saying it's right. 192 00:10:55,969.71528374 --> 00:10:57,141.14385517 But unfortunately. 193 00:10:57,541.14385517 --> 00:11:01,284.00099802 It often means that the woman is left worse off. 194 00:11:01,598.28671231 --> 00:11:04,369.71528374 And I can give you so many scenarios where this has happened. 195 00:11:04,741.14385517 --> 00:11:10,998.28671231 The woman has gone to never get another job in the industry reputation in tatters, yet the man has been just fine. 196 00:11:10,998.28671231 --> 00:11:11,998.28671231 In fact, he got promoted. 197 00:11:13,855.42956945 --> 00:11:14,855.42956945 It's just gross. 198 00:11:15,241.14385517 --> 00:11:19,698.28671231 I think these are the things that you need to think about if you are gonna enter a workplace relationship. 199 00:11:19,755.42956945 --> 00:11:21,555.42956945 Mm, where there is gonna be a power imbalance. 200 00:11:21,698.28671231 --> 00:11:24,241.14385517 Statistically, it's very common for people to meet at work. 201 00:11:24,726.85814088 --> 00:11:29,212.5724266 But if there is a power imbalance, like yes, you form a relationship with your boss. 202 00:11:30,98.28671231 --> 00:11:33,212.5724266 There are things that you have to consider and you have to weigh those up. 203 00:11:33,612.5724266 --> 00:11:40,755.42956945 And it may not go well for you and it may not go well for you, and there's nothing you can do to control it. 204 00:11:40,784.00099802 --> 00:11:44,41.14385517 You could do everything correct and it still won't go well for you. 205 00:11:44,155.42956945 --> 00:11:46,155.42956945 I think as well to that is that. 206 00:11:46,626.85814088 --> 00:11:48,141.14385517 Reputation stickiness. 207 00:11:48,141.14385517 --> 00:11:56,84.00099802 So if he, you know, from a power imbalance perspective, she gets labeled as the homewrecker, the opportunist, the one who slept her way up. 208 00:11:56,84.00099802 --> 00:11:56,169.71528374 Mm-hmm. 209 00:11:56,484.00099802 --> 00:12:00,598.28671231 Even if it's consensual, that always seems to become that narrative. 210 00:12:00,603.04861707 --> 00:12:00,707.81052183 Narrative. 211 00:12:00,855.42956945 --> 00:12:01,141.14385517 Yeah. 212 00:12:02,855.42956945 --> 00:12:04,55.42956945 There has been other examples. 213 00:12:04,55.42956945 --> 00:12:07,484.00099802 So, Amber Harrison, she was an executive at Seven West Media. 214 00:12:07,598.28671231 --> 00:12:12,31.62004564 She sued Ga Bankrupted, gagged she just went through the ringer. 215 00:12:12,612.5724266 --> 00:12:16,98.28671231 With their relationship and the CEO kept his job for another year. 216 00:12:16,764.95337898 --> 00:12:19,107.81052183 This one's quite well known, Barnaby Joyce. 217 00:12:19,222.09623612 --> 00:12:22,450.66766469 So he had an affair with his ex, with his media advisor at the time. 218 00:12:22,450.66766469 --> 00:12:23,136.38195041 Vicki Campion. 219 00:12:23,136.38195041 --> 00:12:23,564.95337898 Yes. 220 00:12:23,793.52480755 --> 00:12:27,698.28671231 He was actually called out by the Australian when they saw Vicki Campion pregnant. 221 00:12:27,698.28671231 --> 00:12:31,69.71528374 And it was kind of like whispers that the father was Barnaby Joyce. 222 00:12:31,898.28671231 --> 00:12:37,507.81052183 He's gone on to, Abby's career politics and preaches family values, which is a bit ironic. 223 00:12:37,817.33433136 --> 00:12:40,484.00099802 Vicki Campion has really been able to work since. 224 00:12:40,884.00099802 --> 00:12:42,398.28671231 That's really chalk and cheese. 225 00:12:42,655.42956945 --> 00:12:45,55.42956945 The saddest one is, um, like a Ffl executives. 226 00:12:45,255.42956945 --> 00:12:46,922.09623612 Oh the female staffers are common tail. 227 00:12:46,922.09623612 --> 00:12:50,493.52480755 They're just gone and most of the time you don't even know what their names are. 228 00:12:50,779.23909326 --> 00:12:52,236.38195041 That is quietly out the back door. 229 00:12:52,836.38195041 --> 00:12:54,236.38195041 That is a culture on its own. 230 00:12:54,264.95337898 --> 00:12:55,522.09623612 That is a culture on its own. 231 00:12:55,607.81052183 --> 00:12:55,722.09623612 Yeah. 232 00:12:55,760.19147422 --> 00:12:57,103.04861707 What we're trying to say here is. 233 00:12:57,874.4771885 --> 00:12:58,874.4771885 Think it through. 234 00:12:58,988.76290279 --> 00:12:59,645.90575993 Ah, definitely. 235 00:12:59,645.90575993 --> 00:13:02,560.19147422 It's exactly, and I think what we've seen here, it's probably not worth it. 236 00:13:03,417.33433136 --> 00:13:04,845.90575993 I mean, I would say it's not worth it. 237 00:13:04,874.4771885 --> 00:13:05,331.62004564 Yeah. 238 00:13:05,388.76290279 --> 00:13:07,331.62004564 But, you know, love is love, love. 239 00:13:07,331.62004564 --> 00:13:08,617.33433136 You don't where it's gonna spring up. 240 00:13:08,931.62004564 --> 00:13:12,341.14385517 But, unfortunately it's an uphill battle. 241 00:13:12,426.85814088 --> 00:13:13,569.71528374 And it, and we're not saying it's right. 242 00:13:15,55.42956945 --> 00:13:16,798.28671231 No, it's, we are not saying it's right at all. 243 00:13:17,424.76290342 --> 00:13:20,567.62004628 We know that it does get messy. 244 00:13:20,567.62004628 --> 00:13:31,310.47718914 So while it's not illegal to date or work, but if there's that power imbalance, it is super risky and companies can require the disclosure as well, so they can't ban it. 245 00:13:31,310.47718914 --> 00:13:34,939.04861771 But you have to, at a certain point, disclose it if you're going to proceed with it. 246 00:13:34,939.04861771 --> 00:13:34,996.19147485 Yeah. 247 00:13:35,24.76290342 --> 00:13:37,139.04861771 Which obviously I think if you're having an affair. 248 00:13:37,953.33433199 --> 00:13:39,296.19147485 It's not something that you'd want to do. 249 00:13:39,381.90576057 --> 00:13:39,639.04861771 Yeah. 250 00:13:39,639.04861771 --> 00:13:48,181.90576057 If it is legitimate relationship, you should disclose it so that you're not put in a situation where people could feel like that other person's getting an unfair advantage. 251 00:13:48,181.90576057 --> 00:13:48,239.04861771 Yeah. 252 00:13:48,353.33433199 --> 00:13:52,981.90576057 So by disclosing it, you can remove yourself from potential conversations about hiring remuneration. 253 00:13:54,148.57242723 --> 00:13:55,224.76290342 Projects yeah. 254 00:13:55,224.76290342 --> 00:14:05,81.90576057 And the businesses usually can discipline you for if you are failing to disclose your relationship, if you're creating reputational harm or if you're breaching the codes of conduct. 255 00:14:05,81.90576057 --> 00:14:07,453.33433199 I think in this case they breached it, the code of conduct. 256 00:14:07,567.62004628 --> 00:14:08,481.90576057 Yeah, a hundred percent. 257 00:14:09,310.47718914 --> 00:14:19,24.76290342 And what happens really then, if the relationship gets messy and ugly and ends, you might get fired or you were the more junior party and. 258 00:14:19,596.19147485 --> 00:14:27,253.33433199 In this case, we dunno what's gonna happen with, um, at this point, but I would say she's probably not gonna get another job in her field. 259 00:14:27,253.33433199 --> 00:14:28,110.47718914 Unfortunately. 260 00:14:29,567.62004628 --> 00:14:34,310.47718914 Courts have ruled that dismissals due to personal inconvenience are unfair, but companies still do it. 261 00:14:34,748.57242723 --> 00:14:42,262.85814152 And sometimes they will do it knowing that they might be a financial penalty they have to pay at the end of it, but for them protecting their brand, that's actually worth it. 262 00:14:42,262.85814152 --> 00:14:42,320.00099866 Yeah. 263 00:14:42,405.71528438 --> 00:14:42,748.57242723 Yeah. 264 00:14:44,548.57242723 --> 00:14:56,634.28671295 And we've seen this like, you know, this is, you know, not related to this, but we've seen it with someone we know that had to go to fair work and their employer would rather pay the penalty and have that person exit the business despite the fact they knew what was wrong. 265 00:14:56,891.42957009 --> 00:15:00,434.28671295 They just knew, well, worst case I paid the penalty, but it's worth it for me to get what I want. 266 00:15:00,524.76290342 --> 00:15:01,605.71528438 I get what I want. 267 00:15:01,662.85814152 --> 00:15:02,748.57242723 And also to keep moving. 268 00:15:02,748.57242723 --> 00:15:04,920.00099866 They don't want to, they don't want to, to linger. 269 00:15:04,920.00099866 --> 00:15:07,862.85814152 They don't want it to get out that they're having these issues over and over again. 270 00:15:08,5.71528438 --> 00:15:08,320.00099866 Yeah. 271 00:15:09,520.00099866 --> 00:15:11,72.38195104 So it's kind of like an equation. 272 00:15:11,72.38195104 --> 00:15:28,158.09623676 Like you've got power and romance, and why does it always seem to equal red flag? And to get to the heart of it, workplace relationships with power imbalances can get dangerous because a junior employee can say that in consent they felt re retaliation, they didn't know how to exit out of it. 273 00:15:28,358.09623676 --> 00:15:32,215.2390939 Conflicts of interest, promotions, feedback, remuneration. 274 00:15:32,472.38195104 --> 00:15:34,786.66766533 How can that be fair? Favoritism. 275 00:15:34,900.95337961 --> 00:15:36,15.2390939 People get jealous. 276 00:15:36,329.52480818 --> 00:15:39,472.38195104 People perceive that there's an inequity due to the relationship. 277 00:15:39,948.57242723 --> 00:15:45,824.76290342 And then also if it does end badly, could it mean career sabotage? Have you seen baby girl? No. 278 00:15:46,110.47718914 --> 00:15:46,139.04861771 Mm. 279 00:15:46,624.76290342 --> 00:15:48,53.33433199 Is it the Nicole Kim in one? Mm-hmm. 280 00:15:48,339.04861771 --> 00:15:50,167.62004628 With the pool scene? I've been seen it. 281 00:15:50,243.81052247 --> 00:15:52,643.81052247 There's like some steamy, a pool scene. 282 00:15:53,129.52480818 --> 00:15:57,758.09623676 I mean, there's many steamy scenes in it, but particularly speaks to the imbalance. 283 00:15:58,500.95337961 --> 00:15:59,158.09623676 Of an affair. 284 00:15:59,158.09623676 --> 00:16:03,215.2390939 Um, is Nicole Kidman the top dog? Oh, she's the top dog. 285 00:16:03,243.81052247 --> 00:16:03,300.95337961 Yeah. 286 00:16:03,300.95337961 --> 00:16:04,415.2390939 That's why you need to watch. 287 00:16:04,472.38195104 --> 00:16:07,872.38195104 For anyone who has not watched Baby Girl, please do yourself a favor. 288 00:16:08,186.66766533 --> 00:16:18,748.57242723 But it is showing you a scenario that media and Hollywood typically doesn't show, which is the woman and the, the top dog and then the male involved is actually junior. 289 00:16:18,748.57242723 --> 00:16:19,5.71528438 So yeah. 290 00:16:19,934.28671295 --> 00:16:20,505.71528438 It's the best. 291 00:16:20,505.71528438 --> 00:16:21,448.57242723 Oh, I'll have to check this out. 292 00:16:21,534.28671295 --> 00:16:22,162.85814152 Yes. 293 00:16:23,267.62004628 --> 00:16:30,953.33433199 So a leadership lesson to anyone is that leaders are held to a higher standard, um, unless they're male, unfortunately. 294 00:16:30,953.33433199 --> 00:16:31,153.33433199 Wow. 295 00:16:31,153.33433199 --> 00:16:32,781.90576057 And it's the woman that's held to, to higher standards. 296 00:16:32,781.90576057 --> 00:16:33,10.47718914 Oh, yeah. 297 00:16:33,10.47718914 --> 00:16:33,210.47718914 True. 298 00:16:33,381.90576057 --> 00:16:34,10.47718914 Sorry, Claire. 299 00:16:34,10.47718914 --> 00:16:34,610.47718914 I forgot about that. 300 00:16:34,610.47718914 --> 00:16:34,981.90576057 Sorry. 301 00:16:34,981.90576057 --> 00:16:37,867.62004628 I think I'm just getting a little bit too on my high horse right now. 302 00:16:37,872.38195104 --> 00:16:39,643.81052247 No, I think, look it's early days here. 303 00:16:39,672.38195104 --> 00:16:40,729.5248082 He's already resigned. 304 00:16:40,777.1438558 --> 00:16:46,377.1438558 It will be imminent for her, but you're right, quickly they'll forget about him or that, you know, it'll become something that people joke about. 305 00:16:46,662.8581415 --> 00:16:50,177.1438558 But I think for her particularly, this is something that she won't be able to wash off. 306 00:16:50,234.2867129 --> 00:16:55,234.2867129 I think the lesson to take away here is you are an adult, you are consenting. 307 00:16:55,234.2867129 --> 00:17:04,148.5724272 You can do what you want, but think it through, because unintentionally you may have long lasting and unrepairable damages Yeah. 308 00:17:04,148.5724272 --> 00:17:08,177.1438558 And not only for your career, but your families, your whole personal life as well. 309 00:17:08,177.1438558 --> 00:17:10,634.2867129 It's just, yeah, and we haven't spoken too much about that. 310 00:17:10,672.381951 --> 00:17:12,815.2390939 This isn't the extramarital affair scenario. 311 00:17:12,815.2390939 --> 00:17:14,415.2390939 This is just the relationship in general. 312 00:17:14,415.2390939 --> 00:17:15,300.9533796 We're saying think it through. 313 00:17:15,329.5248082 --> 00:17:16,43.8105225 Yes, exactly. 314 00:17:16,43.8105225 --> 00:17:17,986.6676653 Think it more through if you're gonna go and have an affair though. 315 00:17:18,15.2390939 --> 00:17:18,643.8105225 Correct. 316 00:17:18,900.9533796 --> 00:17:19,329.5248082 Correct. 317 00:17:21,241.5248082 --> 00:17:26,898.6676653 Gab, someone sent me a video the other day of this girl saying that she knew. 318 00:17:27,641.5248082 --> 00:17:35,184.381951 A friend that flew to Turkey for breast implants, came back, was having trouble breathing and was found to be missing a lung. 319 00:17:35,998.6676653 --> 00:17:42,670.0962368 Sorry, I have to laugh because what? Yeah, but like it, it was put in our group chat and they were like, oh my God, this is insane. 320 00:17:42,698.6676653 --> 00:17:44,127.2390939 And I immediately was like, a hundred percent. 321 00:17:44,127.2390939 --> 00:17:44,441.5248082 That's fake. 322 00:17:44,441.5248082 --> 00:17:45,212.9533796 That did not happen. 323 00:17:45,584.381951 --> 00:17:48,241.5248082 It's reminding me of those chain things that. 324 00:17:48,755.8105225 --> 00:18:07,808.1914749 I've received in the past, like I remember this story that I don't even know where it came from, but it was of these people who were traveling from Mexico to the US and there was a dead body sitting in the backseat and there was drugs in the body and I'm, anyway, but it's just sort of like what? Is it real? Is this a thing? 'cause that's concerning. 325 00:18:07,951.0486177 --> 00:18:10,122.4771891 Yeah, and I mean, we, there's a lot of people gonna, Turkey. 326 00:18:10,179.6200463 --> 00:18:13,808.1914749 We're breaking down our people actually having their organs stolen in Turkey. 327 00:18:13,951.0486177 --> 00:18:31,379.6200463 But also there is a lot more than you need to consider if you are gonna go and have a cosmetic procedure in Turkey because, I mean, provided if this was real, this means that when you are being anesthetized, anesthetized, anthesis, an anesthetized, anesthetized. 328 00:18:32,36.7629034 --> 00:18:36,865.334332 And you are under, we are saying that potentially they're cutting you open, taking what they need. 329 00:18:36,865.334332 --> 00:18:39,322.4771891 So they're giving you implants, but taking your lungs. 330 00:18:39,379.6200463 --> 00:18:40,693.9057606 Yeah, lung. 331 00:18:40,893.9057606 --> 00:18:42,322.4771891 'cause you need both to survive, I guess. 332 00:18:42,379.6200463 --> 00:18:42,551.0486177 Yeah. 333 00:18:43,36.7629034 --> 00:18:45,8.1914749 So they wanna go under the Raider, so we take one. 334 00:18:45,93.9057606 --> 00:18:45,379.6200463 Yeah. 335 00:18:45,836.7629034 --> 00:18:49,779.6200463 Turkey is one of the biggest miracle medical tourism destinations in the world. 336 00:18:49,779.6200463 --> 00:18:53,665.334332 People go there for hair transplants, like people make jokes that if you see planes leaving. 337 00:18:54,93.9057606 --> 00:18:55,608.1914749 Turkey and there's males on it. 338 00:18:55,608.1914749 --> 00:18:58,93.9057606 They're all bald with their hair transplants. 339 00:18:58,93.9057606 --> 00:18:58,208.1914749 Yes. 340 00:18:58,293.9057606 --> 00:18:59,779.6200463 Which I'm not against to be honest. 341 00:18:59,779.6200463 --> 00:19:00,351.0486177 No, a hundred percent. 342 00:19:00,351.0486177 --> 00:19:01,151.0486177 It's amazing. 343 00:19:01,151.0486177 --> 00:19:02,693.9057606 You get that hairline if you want it. 344 00:19:03,74.8581415 --> 00:19:04,446.2867129 People are getting veneers done. 345 00:19:04,446.2867129 --> 00:19:06,474.8581415 Brazilian butt lifts gastric surgery. 346 00:19:06,874.8581415 --> 00:19:09,274.8581415 And the appeal is clear 'cause it is so much cheaper. 347 00:19:09,274.8581415 --> 00:19:14,665.334332 Like in Australia it costs 50 to 70% more than what it would cost if you had it done in Turkey. 348 00:19:15,236.7629034 --> 00:19:19,693.9057606 And it's very like shiny and elusive because it's fast. 349 00:19:19,993.9057606 --> 00:19:22,536.7629034 Glossy all inclusive packages and include your surgery. 350 00:19:22,536.7629034 --> 00:19:26,793.9057606 Five star hotel flights being picked up and driven around in a limo. 351 00:19:27,793.9057606 --> 00:19:29,32.0009987 No wait no red tape. 352 00:19:29,432.0009987 --> 00:19:33,403.4295701 And you can also get the aesthetic styles, like whatever's on trend for that point in time. 353 00:19:33,460.5724272 --> 00:19:37,203.4295701 It hasn't been on my list to, but you know, it's sounding quite appealing to me. 354 00:19:37,260.5724272 --> 00:19:44,432.0009987 It, for me, it sounds like the best way to do it because you're putting in a holiday, you're going and getting what you need done whilst you're recovering. 355 00:19:44,432.0009987 --> 00:19:45,689.1438558 You are relaxing. 356 00:19:45,860.5724272 --> 00:19:48,860.5724272 And then when you come home, you're probably in a way that you're not so. 357 00:19:49,570.0962368 --> 00:19:50,512.9533796 It doesn't look so obvious. 358 00:19:50,512.9533796 --> 00:19:53,312.9533796 I'm, I'm guessing the stitches are out or, you know, the Yeah, the tape is off. 359 00:19:53,312.9533796 --> 00:19:55,960.5724272 And so I think that's part of the that's the elusiveness of it. 360 00:19:55,960.5724272 --> 00:20:01,732.0009987 That's what they want the appeal to be, and that's how it's become one of Turkey's major export industries. 361 00:20:02,274.8581415 --> 00:20:11,370.0962368 Then we have this sort of sinister style side and there's this myth about people having organs stolen in Turkey and it keeps popping up. 362 00:20:11,370.0962368 --> 00:20:13,398.6676653 So we had the one about going for a brew job, having Yes. 363 00:20:13,703.4295701 --> 00:20:14,617.7152844 The lungs stolen. 364 00:20:14,760.5724272 --> 00:20:14,989.1438558 Yes. 365 00:20:15,17.7152844 --> 00:20:20,189.1438558 There's also a viral story that's on the Dale Daily mail of the British woman who unfortunately passed away. 366 00:20:20,189.1438558 --> 00:20:24,312.9533796 She got sick on the flight over and then landed in Turkey, passed away. 367 00:20:24,693.9057606 --> 00:20:27,808.1914749 The family said her heart was missing when her body returned from Turkey. 368 00:20:28,122.4771891 --> 00:20:29,93.9057606 What? Yeah. 369 00:20:29,93.9057606 --> 00:20:32,551.0486177 Another woman allegedly got home and found parts of her intestines gone. 370 00:20:32,941.5248082 --> 00:20:38,684.381951 And on the Smart Traveler website, which is an Australian government site, there is warnings about organ theft risk in Turkey. 371 00:20:38,684.381951 --> 00:20:40,455.8105225 Really? So. 372 00:20:41,12.9533796 --> 00:20:45,98.6676653 But does it mean it actually happened? So I actually did quite a bit of research for this episode. 373 00:20:45,155.8105225 --> 00:20:54,212.9533796 Yes, there is no legitimately confirmed case of a healthy person being operated on without consent to steal their organs during cosmetic surgery. 374 00:20:54,298.6676653 --> 00:20:54,584.381951 Okay. 375 00:20:54,632.0009987 --> 00:20:57,303.4295701 So it's a, which hunt or not, there's a little bit of fakeness. 376 00:20:57,303.4295701 --> 00:21:04,46.2867129 So like people sort of telling the story or you know, seeing a Reddit thread and then repurposing it to say, I actually knew this person. 377 00:21:04,132.0009987 --> 00:21:04,474.8581415 Yeah. 378 00:21:04,751.0486177 --> 00:21:06,693.9057606 In Turkey autopsies. 379 00:21:07,93.9057606 --> 00:21:10,979.6200463 Or embalming procedures can involve removing the organs. 380 00:21:11,446.2867129 --> 00:21:17,160.5724272 And sometimes, which is what normally happens in more other Western autopsies, they put those organs back. 381 00:21:17,446.2867129 --> 00:21:22,789.1438558 When they release the body in Turkey, they often don't because they're doing additional testing on the organs. 382 00:21:23,760.5724272 --> 00:21:27,160.5724272 Oh, so, so it's not an intention of we're stealing it, it's just not part of their process. 383 00:21:27,217.7152844 --> 00:21:27,617.7152844 Yeah. 384 00:21:27,617.7152844 --> 00:21:32,522.4771891 So the daily male article, the first article had a woman who died having a Brazilian butt lift. 385 00:21:32,860.5724272 --> 00:21:36,60.5724272 And then when she got home, they said she was missing parts of her lung, brain, and heart. 386 00:21:36,60.5724272 --> 00:21:38,489.1438558 So there was all these articles about it, and that created the rumors. 387 00:21:38,803.4295701 --> 00:21:56,146.2867129 However the Turkish ministry actually released the medical notes that were done by the the person that was doing the autopsy, and they confirmed that they removed those parts as part of determining the cause of death and what caused it because she had died when she should have been fine. 388 00:21:56,760.5724272 --> 00:21:57,132.0009987 Okay. 389 00:21:57,132.0009987 --> 00:22:07,874.8581415 And on that though, I have to ask, how did they know that it was missing? Did they recut her open when she got back to Australia? Yeah, they, so this woman went back to the uk the family requested that the autopsy be recreated. 390 00:22:07,903.4295701 --> 00:22:07,932.0009987 Oh. 391 00:22:07,960.5724272 --> 00:22:08,817.7152844 Which isn't uncommon. 392 00:22:09,17.7152844 --> 00:22:09,417.7152844 Yeah. 393 00:22:09,417.7152844 --> 00:22:09,846.2867129 Okay. 394 00:22:10,160.5724272 --> 00:22:11,217.7152844 So it, okay. 395 00:22:11,217.7152844 --> 00:22:17,532.0009987 So in this case then, it's less of a black market scenario horror movie, and it's more about this bureaucratic horror show. 396 00:22:18,74.8581415 --> 00:22:23,379.6200463 Yeah, exactly did I search and investigate every single case that's been reported? No, I didn't. 397 00:22:23,579.6200463 --> 00:22:26,836.7629034 I just went through the main ones, which had the most news headlines. 398 00:22:26,865.334332 --> 00:22:27,151.0486177 Yes. 399 00:22:27,208.1914749 --> 00:22:30,636.7629034 And all of those were legitimately explained after the fact. 400 00:22:30,636.7629034 --> 00:22:36,93.9057606 They had this initial shock reporting and then the actual what's occurred and the families have not. 401 00:22:37,436.7629034 --> 00:22:39,122.4771891 Continue to raise alarm after that fact. 402 00:22:39,122.4771891 --> 00:22:47,893.9057606 Okay, so if we don't need to worry about getting our organs stolen, what actually do we need to worry about? Because people are going there all the time for surgeries. 403 00:22:47,951.0486177 --> 00:22:49,871.5248082 Yeah, and look, you might be fine. 404 00:22:49,871.5248082 --> 00:22:53,42.9533796 You might have a really great outcome, and that's fabulous. 405 00:22:53,42.9533796 --> 00:22:58,271.5248082 If you have a fabulous outcome, you are thrilled with it, you had a great recovery, you come back, you're really happy. 406 00:22:58,657.2390939 --> 00:22:59,85.8105225 Excellent. 407 00:22:59,114.381951 --> 00:23:00,485.8105225 That is the best case scenario. 408 00:23:00,514.381951 --> 00:23:04,552.4771891 That is the outcome that they promise you in the, in the glossy advertising. 409 00:23:04,552.4771891 --> 00:23:04,895.334332 Right. 410 00:23:05,352.4771891 --> 00:23:11,209.6200463 But unfortunately there are cases, and they're not an exception, but there are cases, yes. 411 00:23:11,209.6200463 --> 00:23:17,9.6200463 So we're not saying it's hardly any, but they do happen where people unfortunately can die, particularly from Brazilian butt lifts. 412 00:23:17,152.4771891 --> 00:23:22,391.0486177 Can I ask why? Unfortunately, anytime you have a surgery, it's not guaranteed. 413 00:23:22,419.6200463 --> 00:23:24,48.1914749 You know you can die from general anesthetic. 414 00:23:24,76.7629034 --> 00:23:24,276.7629034 Yeah. 415 00:23:24,276.7629034 --> 00:23:24,305.334332 Okay. 416 00:23:24,305.334332 --> 00:23:26,19.6200463 You can die from in infection. 417 00:23:26,19.6200463 --> 00:23:29,991.0486177 Sepsis, it could initiate another problem that they weren't aware of. 418 00:23:30,733.9057606 --> 00:23:31,676.7629034 Brazilian butt lips. 419 00:23:31,791.0486177 --> 00:23:36,143.4295701 Many surgeons in Australia don't do these 'cause they are incredibly dangerous. 420 00:23:36,600.5724272 --> 00:23:40,772.0009987 The co UK coroner says that deaths are often under-reported from this. 421 00:23:40,772.0009987 --> 00:23:47,0.5724272 The likely rate is one in 4,000, which is a very, that's pretty high, very high for an elective procedure, and it's. 422 00:23:47,614.8581415 --> 00:23:51,786.2867129 Fat entering the bloodstream whilst they are lightly suctioning and then putting it back in. 423 00:23:51,957.7152844 --> 00:23:52,100.5724272 Yeah. 424 00:23:52,100.5724272 --> 00:23:55,900.5724272 'cause that's the process, right? Like they're sucking fat from somewhere to then plug into your butt. 425 00:23:56,43.4295701 --> 00:23:56,729.1438558 Yeah, exactly. 426 00:23:56,729.1438558 --> 00:23:56,929.1438558 Okay. 427 00:23:57,500.5724272 --> 00:23:59,500.5724272 Breast implants, tummy tuck, gastric sleeve. 428 00:23:59,500.5724272 --> 00:24:03,443.4295701 So you've got botch work infection, sepsis, implant necrosis. 429 00:24:03,900.5724272 --> 00:24:08,129.1438558 The good friend who's a GP and she sees a lot of patients coming back from Turkey. 430 00:24:08,757.7152844 --> 00:24:12,214.8581415 And they've got like necrosis of the nipples and the nipples fall off. 431 00:24:12,219.6200463 --> 00:24:12,267.2390939 Oh. 432 00:24:12,272.0009987 --> 00:24:13,757.7152844 Oh God, Claire. 433 00:24:13,757.7152844 --> 00:24:19,43.4295701 And it's really hard to find a surgeon in Australia that's willing to do revision surgery on these patients. 434 00:24:19,43.4295701 --> 00:24:21,814.8581415 So it's necrosis basically when they don't grow back. 435 00:24:21,872.0009987 --> 00:24:22,729.1438558 Like it's sort of like you. 436 00:24:23,414.8581415 --> 00:24:23,700.5724272 Yeah. 437 00:24:23,814.8581415 --> 00:24:24,43.4295701 Okay. 438 00:24:24,43.4295701 --> 00:24:24,472.0009987 They die. 439 00:24:24,729.1438558 --> 00:24:25,43.4295701 Yeah. 440 00:24:25,186.2867129 --> 00:24:25,214.8581415 Okay. 441 00:24:25,243.4295701 --> 00:24:28,100.5724272 And sometimes the only treatment could be like a full mastectomy. 442 00:24:28,900.5724272 --> 00:24:30,72.0009987 Oh my God. 443 00:24:30,157.7152844 --> 00:24:31,43.4295701 It's just horrific. 444 00:24:31,43.4295701 --> 00:24:32,386.2867129 This is the things you gotta weigh up. 445 00:24:32,586.2867129 --> 00:24:33,72.0009987 A hundred percent. 446 00:24:33,72.0009987 --> 00:24:34,233.9057606 The final one Turkey teeth. 447 00:24:34,576.7629034 --> 00:24:44,633.9057606 So unfortunately they often grind your natural teeth down to nubs, which they then put the veneers over the top and they kind of do like a shortcut to it. 448 00:24:44,976.7629034 --> 00:24:52,224.381951 And the consequence is that you might end up having to eventually have dentures because your teeth Yeah, your actual teeth and non-existent Oh, gone. 449 00:24:52,281.5248082 --> 00:24:52,967.2390939 Yeah, exactly. 450 00:24:52,995.8105225 --> 00:25:00,652.9533796 On that, and maybe this is a stupid question, but with veneers, can you still floss? In my mind, it's like a plate that they plug on. 451 00:25:00,652.9533796 --> 00:25:02,448.1914749 But surely I think they're individual teeth. 452 00:25:02,510.0962368 --> 00:25:03,52.9533796 I have no idea. 453 00:25:03,52.9533796 --> 00:25:12,167.2390939 But I remember like got Flos, do you ever watch oranges in your back? And I had like pink, so stuckey, and she had like the implants after like having her heroin teeth and they're like, you should brush your teeth. 454 00:25:12,167.2390939 --> 00:25:14,224.381951 And she's like, you don't brush plate. 455 00:25:14,319.6200463 --> 00:25:15,348.1914749 Porcelain plates. 456 00:25:15,348.1914749 --> 00:25:18,862.4771891 Like why am I gonna brush my teeth? And they're like, I think you should still brush your teeth. 457 00:25:19,33.9057606 --> 00:25:20,548.1914749 Mm, it is. 458 00:25:20,719.6200463 --> 00:25:20,919.6200463 Yeah. 459 00:25:20,919.6200463 --> 00:25:21,462.4771891 It's interesting. 460 00:25:21,462.4771891 --> 00:25:23,448.1914749 I do wonder about how that even worked. 461 00:25:24,33.9057606 --> 00:25:24,262.4771891 Yeah. 462 00:25:24,881.5248082 --> 00:25:32,310.0962368 Isn't there a whole thing as well in Turkey where you don't actually meet your surgeon until you're on the table naked in a little dress? Yeah. 463 00:25:32,310.0962368 --> 00:25:33,710.0962368 Like that's also part of it. 464 00:25:33,910.0962368 --> 00:25:35,681.5248082 The consultation isn't there 'cause it's so quick. 465 00:25:35,681.5248082 --> 00:25:39,138.6676653 Like you arrive, you have your pre-app appointments, you do the surgery, you move on. 466 00:25:39,138.6676653 --> 00:25:41,281.5248082 You are just one of many Yeah. 467 00:25:41,281.5248082 --> 00:25:42,81.5248082 It's in and out. 468 00:25:42,367.2390939 --> 00:25:42,681.5248082 Yeah. 469 00:25:43,681.5248082 --> 00:25:45,995.8105225 Whereas in Australia there's quite a lot of like processes. 470 00:25:45,995.8105225 --> 00:25:49,852.9533796 Like if you are having elective surgery, you often have to have counseling tests to make sure you're healthy. 471 00:25:50,191.0486177 --> 00:25:54,476.7629034 Quite often the doctor will ask you to improve your health before surgery occurs. 472 00:25:54,876.7629034 --> 00:25:57,105.334332 That's quite common, especially in weight loss surgeries. 473 00:25:57,219.6200463 --> 00:25:57,476.7629034 Yeah. 474 00:25:57,676.7629034 --> 00:26:09,419.6200463 So I think then it comes, how is it that it's so stringent in Australia, but not in Turkey? And I think the key issue is, is that this is a major export industry and there's very little regulation. 475 00:26:10,248.1914749 --> 00:26:10,505.334332 Yeah. 476 00:26:10,619.6200463 --> 00:26:11,905.334332 And it's a huge industry. 477 00:26:12,48.1914749 --> 00:26:13,357.7152844 It's over $3 million. 478 00:26:13,762.4771891 --> 00:26:15,105.334332 Oh, $3 billion. 479 00:26:15,105.334332 --> 00:26:15,791.0486177 $3 billion. 480 00:26:15,791.0486177 --> 00:26:16,305.334332 Yeah. 481 00:26:16,305.334332 --> 00:26:16,319.6200463 Oh yeah. 482 00:26:17,372.0009987 --> 00:26:20,943.4295701 So they have excellent surgeon, but they can also have dodgy operators. 483 00:26:21,172.0009987 --> 00:26:27,286.2867129 So people that are running the show and you've, you know, you're banking on this surgeon doing what they are supposed to do. 484 00:26:27,381.5248082 --> 00:26:30,267.2390939 There are official certifications from the Turkish health Ministry. 485 00:26:30,324.381951 --> 00:26:30,410.0962368 Yeah. 486 00:26:30,438.6676653 --> 00:26:32,152.9533796 But these are easily faked. 487 00:26:32,476.7629034 --> 00:26:34,619.6200463 And the enforcement of having them is very patchy. 488 00:26:35,400.5724272 --> 00:26:38,0.5724272 They often are operating out of illegal premises. 489 00:26:38,562.4771891 --> 00:26:43,448.1914749 So the volume of it is outpacing Turkey's ability to regulate it. 490 00:26:43,962.4771891 --> 00:26:48,591.0486177 Well, it's kind of scary to think that unlicensed technicians are performing these major surgeries. 491 00:26:48,762.4771891 --> 00:26:49,305.334332 A hundred percent. 492 00:26:49,305.334332 --> 00:26:50,248.1914749 It's terrifying. 493 00:26:51,705.334332 --> 00:27:02,48.1914749 So if we had like a list of what to do if you are considering this, how do we go about this Clay? Choose a surgeon who is certified by the Turkish ministry. 494 00:27:02,162.4771891 --> 00:27:02,448.1914749 Yep. 495 00:27:02,705.334332 --> 00:27:03,591.0486177 Get real reviews. 496 00:27:03,591.0486177 --> 00:27:09,19.6200463 Also, like look for people that have actually been on it themselves, like word of mouth from someone that you trust. 497 00:27:09,19.6200463 --> 00:27:09,133.9057606 True. 498 00:27:09,133.9057606 --> 00:27:09,786.2867129 Who's had a good experience. 499 00:27:09,814.8581415 --> 00:27:11,43.4295701 Yeah, I think that's really important. 500 00:27:12,19.6200463 --> 00:27:17,619.6200463 Ask for the hospital credentials and make sure that you're not just going to a private room in a hotel or an apartment building. 501 00:27:17,762.4771891 --> 00:27:20,105.334332 You actually wanna be operated on in a proper that's so scary. 502 00:27:20,105.334332 --> 00:27:24,219.6200463 Medical facility have a full consult with the surgeon before flying. 503 00:27:24,333.9057606 --> 00:27:24,505.334332 Mm-hmm. 504 00:27:24,743.4295701 --> 00:27:27,114.8581415 And confirm they'll be doing your surgery at the hospital. 505 00:27:27,114.8581415 --> 00:27:29,114.8581415 So make sure the surgeon has rooms at that hospital. 506 00:27:29,200.5724272 --> 00:27:29,514.8581415 Yep. 507 00:27:30,86.2867129 --> 00:27:33,110.0962368 Bring someone you trust with you who can advocate you for you if something goes wrong. 508 00:27:34,500.5724272 --> 00:27:40,814.8581415 Allow plenty of time after surgery to recover, particularly so you don't have any risk of anything going wrong on the flight. 509 00:27:41,452.9533796 --> 00:27:44,338.6676653 And make sure you have travel insurance that covers elective surgery. 510 00:27:44,652.9533796 --> 00:27:51,5.334332 Okay? And so what do you do if they won't tell you your surgeon's name or if there's a countdown clock on 20% off on a, nose job. 511 00:27:52,805.334332 --> 00:27:53,519.6200463 This is your body. 512 00:27:53,633.9057606 --> 00:27:54,748.1914749 You only have one. 513 00:27:54,748.1914749 --> 00:27:57,548.1914749 Like, it's if something's too good to be true. 514 00:27:57,633.9057606 --> 00:27:58,148.1914749 Yeah, true. 515 00:27:58,148.1914749 --> 00:27:58,462.4771891 It is. 516 00:27:58,462.4771891 --> 00:28:00,433.9057606 Like at the end of the day, these people aren't a charity. 517 00:28:01,62.4771891 --> 00:28:01,491.0486177 Yeah, you're right. 518 00:28:01,491.0486177 --> 00:28:03,776.7629034 This isn't Medicare where you get bulk build. 519 00:28:03,805.334332 --> 00:28:04,833.9057606 This is elected surgery. 520 00:28:04,838.6676653 --> 00:28:05,686.2867129 This is surgery. 521 00:28:05,686.2867129 --> 00:28:06,662.4771891 Elective surgery, yeah. 522 00:28:06,781.5248082 --> 00:28:07,57.7152844 Yeah. 523 00:28:08,969.7152844 --> 00:28:11,936.381951 All right, gab, I snuck this one in because you did sneak this one in. 524 00:28:12,331.6200463 --> 00:28:16,274.4771891 I mean, you gave me a lot of rain on today's episode. 525 00:28:16,607.8105225 --> 00:28:19,122.0962368 And I decided that I also wanted to talk about Jeffrey Epstein. 526 00:28:19,522.0962368 --> 00:28:22,7.8105225 Well, when I say talk on Jeffrey Epstein, I wanted to talk to you about. 527 00:28:22,364.9533796 --> 00:28:25,964.9533796 How MAGA has turned on Trump over Epstein. 528 00:28:25,993.5248082 --> 00:28:27,393.5248082 I mean, this is big news. 529 00:28:27,450.6676653 --> 00:28:30,907.8105225 What on earth has happened? Walk us through it. 530 00:28:31,536.381951 --> 00:28:40,460.1914749 What has happened this last week? I am just adoring the fact that the people that treated him like the messiah of transparency and now accusing him of a coverup. 531 00:28:40,768.2867129 --> 00:28:45,196.8581415 The backstory is, and I'm not gonna tell you everything that happened with Jeffrey Epstein, because it's long, it's complicated. 532 00:28:45,196.8581415 --> 00:28:45,254.0009987 Yeah. 533 00:28:45,282.5724272 --> 00:28:47,625.4295701 And there are so many documentaries out there, but. 534 00:28:48,139.7152844 --> 00:28:52,168.2867129 2005, 2008, Epstein was caught abusing underage girls. 535 00:28:52,482.5724272 --> 00:28:58,854.0009987 And he got the most ridiculous plea deal, which was definitely, being hooked up because he was a very wealthy man. 536 00:28:58,882.5724272 --> 00:29:04,82.5724272 13 months in county jail part-time and was part, sorry, part-time in jail. 537 00:29:04,139.7152844 --> 00:29:04,796.8581415 Part-time. 538 00:29:04,801.6200463 --> 00:29:05,306.381951 So ridiculous. 539 00:29:05,306.381951 --> 00:29:07,454.0009987 So he could still do his important business duties. 540 00:29:07,625.4295701 --> 00:29:10,482.5724272 What the, and then checked into like club Fed. 541 00:29:10,977.8105225 --> 00:29:11,901.6200463 This disgusting. 542 00:29:11,901.6200463 --> 00:29:12,244.4771891 Mm-hmm. 543 00:29:12,530.1914749 --> 00:29:13,834.9533796 Ill, 2019. 544 00:29:13,834.9533796 --> 00:29:18,549.2390939 He's again arrested on trafficking charges and he's found dead in his jail cell. 545 00:29:18,577.8105225 --> 00:29:21,492.0962368 Weeks later, the government said suicide. 546 00:29:22,63.5248082 --> 00:29:25,606.381951 A lot of other people, particularly the MAGA crowd, said suspicious. 547 00:29:25,692.0962368 --> 00:29:25,806.381951 Mm-hmm. 548 00:29:26,492.0962368 --> 00:29:27,292.0962368 2020. 549 00:29:27,292.0962368 --> 00:29:28,292.0962368 2022. 550 00:29:28,320.6676653 --> 00:29:30,777.8105225 Ghislaine Maxwell, his, um, ex-wife and. 551 00:29:31,663.5248082 --> 00:29:34,463.5248082 Friend situation was convicted. 552 00:29:34,720.6676653 --> 00:29:35,6.381951 Yep. 553 00:29:35,577.8105225 --> 00:29:38,320.6676653 No secret client list was ever published. 554 00:29:38,320.6676653 --> 00:29:42,234.9533796 Still Epstein's connections to the elite, which includes Trump. 555 00:29:42,549.2390939 --> 00:29:48,215.9057606 He was so many photos with Trump and Epstein Trump, his himself, said that Epstein's an awesome guy, great guy. 556 00:29:48,711.1438558 --> 00:29:50,992.0962368 The Clintons even royalty like Andrew. 557 00:29:51,49.2390939 --> 00:29:51,334.9533796 Oh yes. 558 00:29:52,520.6676653 --> 00:29:54,863.5248082 Remember Prince Andrew kept the conspiracy mill going. 559 00:29:55,692.0962368 --> 00:29:58,206.381951 2024 court documents were unsealed. 560 00:29:58,234.9533796 --> 00:30:07,673.0486177 There was no smoking gun, but Trump running for reelection promised to release the real information if elected in addition to other cases like JFK files. 561 00:30:07,673.0486177 --> 00:30:07,730.1914749 Yeah. 562 00:30:07,968.2867129 --> 00:30:08,796.8581415 You know, alien. 563 00:30:08,882.5724272 --> 00:30:09,454.0009987 Yes. 564 00:30:09,558.7629034 --> 00:30:19,215.9057606 All this stuff that he said exists, he promised to release and that just had people going, which I thought's a hilarious that that is the reason why you might elect someone Yeah. 565 00:30:19,215.9057606 --> 00:30:24,301.6200463 For presidency so that brings us to, now we're in 2025 and Trump's in office. 566 00:30:24,901.6200463 --> 00:30:32,558.7629034 So what's happened, his new attorney general is Pam Bonde and they launch what's being called the Epstein Files phase one. 567 00:30:32,558.7629034 --> 00:30:36,425.4295701 And it was back basically a binder that they gave to a bunch of mega influencers. 568 00:30:36,425.4295701 --> 00:30:43,539.7152844 I'm gonna describe it full of previously known info and a vague claim that they handed a truckload of evidence to the FBI. 569 00:30:43,539.7152844 --> 00:30:43,968.2867129 That's it. 570 00:30:44,582.5724272 --> 00:30:51,563.5248082 And Pam Bondy had previously said in interviewed that she had the client list on her desk and was reviewing it. 571 00:30:52,420.6676653 --> 00:30:52,934.9533796 Okay. 572 00:30:52,934.9533796 --> 00:31:00,996.8581415 So basically as a hidden threat that it's there, we are gonna release when we want release, not a threat, like a hook, like, you know, almost like a hook. 573 00:31:01,77.8105225 --> 00:31:01,649.2390939 It's coming. 574 00:31:02,144.4771891 --> 00:31:05,296.8581415 Last week, Pam Bondi said everything's out. 575 00:31:05,296.8581415 --> 00:31:06,925.4295701 There is no more information to give. 576 00:31:07,525.4295701 --> 00:31:09,496.8581415 And there is no client list. 577 00:31:09,668.2867129 --> 00:31:13,325.4295701 And that has caused the MAGA crowd to completely lose it. 578 00:31:13,963.5248082 --> 00:31:19,992.0962368 So these are the same influencers and these people that were basically screaming Release the list, right? Yeah. 579 00:31:20,20.6676653 --> 00:31:20,192.0962368 Yeah. 580 00:31:20,192.0962368 --> 00:31:22,677.8105225 These are the ones with the binder at the White House Yeah. 581 00:31:22,706.381951 --> 00:31:24,963.5248082 That are now being like, give us the information. 582 00:31:25,763.5248082 --> 00:31:29,125.4295701 And the funniest thing, gab, is that. 583 00:31:29,682.5724272 --> 00:31:31,254.0009987 There has been multiple hearings. 584 00:31:31,254.0009987 --> 00:31:37,111.1438558 There's been the Ghislaine Maxwell, she's in jail for 20 years for her role in Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. 585 00:31:37,111.1438558 --> 00:31:39,368.2867129 And she has been an abhorrent in her behavior as well. 586 00:31:39,425.4295701 --> 00:31:39,682.5724272 Yeah. 587 00:31:39,882.5724272 --> 00:31:44,468.2867129 There was the civil trial with prince Andrew How could we forget? Yeah. 588 00:31:44,625.4295701 --> 00:31:48,25.4295701 And then there was also a civil trial on the estate of Epstein. 589 00:31:48,54.0009987 --> 00:31:48,825.4295701 'cause he had a lot of money. 590 00:31:48,911.1438558 --> 00:31:49,111.1438558 Oh, of course. 591 00:31:49,111.1438558 --> 00:31:49,168.2867129 Yeah. 592 00:31:49,168.2867129 --> 00:31:50,882.5724272 And his victims were claiming that. 593 00:31:51,896.8581415 --> 00:31:57,954.0009987 I believe that if there actually was all this information about Jeffrey Epstein, it probably would've come out by now. 594 00:31:57,982.5724272 --> 00:32:03,554.0009987 'cause so many people have been involved with that information and over a number of years where it's really been in the spotlight. 595 00:32:03,554.0009987 --> 00:32:08,725.4295701 And if someone really did want to make the most of a situation, I think you're right, they would've come out. 596 00:32:08,782.5724272 --> 00:32:12,96.8581415 There would've been some MAGA who had access to the information, who would've leaked it. 597 00:32:12,382.5724272 --> 00:32:12,754.0009987 Definitely. 598 00:32:12,782.5724272 --> 00:32:17,696.8581415 Only thing I'll say is if there was something that was very. 599 00:32:18,254.0009987 --> 00:32:19,539.7152844 Damning for Trump. 600 00:32:19,939.7152844 --> 00:32:21,168.2867129 'cause um, he could have suppressed it. 601 00:32:21,168.2867129 --> 00:32:21,654.0009987 Of course it could. 602 00:32:21,825.4295701 --> 00:32:26,482.5724272 We would've already been gotten rid of, because Trump was in office when Epstein died. 603 00:32:27,511.1438558 --> 00:32:27,911.1438558 Oh, no way. 604 00:32:27,911.1438558 --> 00:32:28,25.4295701 Wow. 605 00:32:28,25.4295701 --> 00:32:28,654.0009987 You're right. 606 00:32:28,739.7152844 --> 00:32:28,939.7152844 Yeah. 607 00:32:28,939.7152844 --> 00:32:32,311.1438558 So when he was arrested, if there was damning evidence, it probably doesn't exist. 608 00:32:32,968.2867129 --> 00:32:40,225.4295701 One of my also second favorites is that in trying to manage the base, they released the footage of. 609 00:32:40,554.0009987 --> 00:32:45,849.2390939 The surveillance that was taken on the night that Jeffrey Epstein allegedly committed, I'm say allegedly committed suicide. 610 00:32:45,963.5248082 --> 00:32:46,563.5248082 Yeah. 611 00:32:46,677.8105225 --> 00:32:49,792.0962368 And they said, that's it. 612 00:32:49,792.0962368 --> 00:32:50,677.8105225 You've got it now. 613 00:32:50,677.8105225 --> 00:32:51,982.5724272 Like leave it alone. 614 00:32:52,382.5724272 --> 00:32:56,239.7152844 The footage had been edited and there's two minutes and 53 seconds missing. 615 00:32:56,868.2867129 --> 00:32:57,982.5724272 Oh, it skips ahead. 616 00:32:58,382.5724272 --> 00:32:59,125.4295701 It skips ahead. 617 00:32:59,211.1438558 --> 00:33:05,639.7152844 Oh, Pam Bonde said that every night that they change the footage over, and that accounts for a minute, but there's still two minutes and 53 seconds left. 618 00:33:05,896.8581415 --> 00:33:15,831.1438558 And ironically, do you know what's two minutes and 53 seconds long? What Spice Girls wanna be? How do you know this? because someone, she's a conspiracy theorist now. 619 00:33:15,916.8581415 --> 00:33:20,378.7629034 I mean, I'm not suggesting that they killed him and played that song, spice Girl killed him. 620 00:33:21,31.1438558 --> 00:33:23,2.5724272 Yeah, but I'm just saying. 621 00:33:23,88.2867129 --> 00:33:23,374.0009987 Yeah. 622 00:33:23,378.7629034 --> 00:33:23,540.6676653 Okay. 623 00:33:23,688.2867129 --> 00:33:24,88.2867129 Okay. 624 00:33:24,854.9533796 --> 00:33:26,140.6676653 Two minutes and 53 seconds. 625 00:33:26,140.6676653 --> 00:33:26,226.381951 I. 626 00:33:26,226.381951 --> 00:33:31,483.5248082 I mean, if you're gonna have this sinister music playing, it's probably gonna be like opera or something, like, something very dramatic. 627 00:33:31,483.5248082 --> 00:33:34,312.0962368 It's not gonna be, it's probably not gonna be, wanna be, not gonna be wannabe. 628 00:33:35,264.4771891 --> 00:33:38,7.334332 But the Trump base day, we were lied to. 629 00:33:38,407.334332 --> 00:33:41,293.0486177 We think that there's missing information. 630 00:33:41,750.1914749 --> 00:33:43,493.0486177 Pam Bondi, I mean, she's on the hook. 631 00:33:44,7.334332 --> 00:33:50,807.334332 Trump's not gonna get rid of her even though that she's absolutely incompetent because he's just gonna put someone else in who's gonna face the same issues. 632 00:33:51,178.7629034 --> 00:33:51,807.334332 Yeah, exactly. 633 00:33:51,807.334332 --> 00:33:52,835.9057606 You may as well keep her in there. 634 00:33:53,378.7629034 --> 00:33:53,664.4771891 Yeah. 635 00:33:54,931.1438558 --> 00:33:59,978.7629034 But the fallout, these are all MAGA influences and they actually reign quite a lot of influence. 636 00:33:59,978.7629034 --> 00:34:03,64.4771891 So Alex Jones said the memo was sickening and. 637 00:34:03,678.7629034 --> 00:34:06,78.7629034 Joked that they'll next say, Epstein never existed. 638 00:34:06,250.1914749 --> 00:34:11,107.334332 Laura Luma called Pam Bondi, a Fox News Barbie, and demanded she be fired. 639 00:34:11,335.9057606 --> 00:34:14,907.334332 Tucker Carlson accused the DOJ of protecting elite predators. 640 00:34:15,78.7629034 --> 00:34:19,50.1914749 Mike Flynn publicly begged Trump to fix this mess and regain trust. 641 00:34:19,593.0486177 --> 00:34:21,907.334332 And my personal favorite, yeah. 642 00:34:21,964.4771891 --> 00:34:25,221.6200463 Is Marjorie Taylor Greene, who actually needs these magars to reelect her. 643 00:34:25,564.4771891 --> 00:34:29,345.4295701 Both called for full transparency and said this was not what was promised. 644 00:34:29,888.2867129 --> 00:34:32,231.1438558 So they are spiraling. 645 00:34:32,659.7152844 --> 00:34:37,574.0009987 Trump has been been calling these people weirdos and telling them to like move on and get over it. 646 00:34:37,574.0009987 --> 00:34:42,659.7152844 And he's sick of talking about it, but his people are definitely not sick about of talking about it. 647 00:34:43,716.8581415 --> 00:34:49,574.0009987 So it's really, as you say, it's gone from them saying he will tell us the truth. 648 00:34:49,602.5724272 --> 00:34:55,812.0962368 You know, he is transparent to basically that everything is a lie and he is covering things up. 649 00:34:56,469.2390939 --> 00:34:56,783.5248082 Yeah. 650 00:34:57,440.6676653 --> 00:35:02,354.9533796 FBI Director Cash Patel is the one who signed the memo saying no client list, no murder case closed. 651 00:35:02,678.7629034 --> 00:35:05,964.4771891 He was also the one that was screaming, put on your big boy pants and release the list. 652 00:35:06,12.0962368 --> 00:35:26,440.6676653 And what about the internal drama? Dan Bonino, the FBI, deputy Director and is also a MAGA darling, reportedly screamed at Bondi in private meetings and threatened to quit over it before the memo was put out and rumors flew that Patel might resign and he went online and posted It's an honor to serve. 653 00:35:26,440.6676653 --> 00:35:27,983.5248082 So he knows things are coming for him. 654 00:35:27,983.5248082 --> 00:35:31,835.9057606 Like he's, he must, yeah, you wouldn't post that unless you knew what was ahead. 655 00:35:32,674.0009987 --> 00:35:39,226.381951 Yeah, so where we're at is apparently there is no client list, no new names, no bombshells and Trump's base is burned. 656 00:35:39,521.6200463 --> 00:35:40,550.1914749 We're seven months in. 657 00:35:41,393.0486177 --> 00:35:43,169.2390939 Yeah, like so much has happened. 658 00:35:43,197.8105225 --> 00:35:44,107.334332 Like so much has happened. 659 00:35:44,107.334332 --> 00:35:55,193.0486177 But I feel like the broader public is probably quite confused right now because the whole Epstein mess has really lived in this murky space between they created it truth, the trauma, the tabloids, lies everything. 660 00:35:55,193.0486177 --> 00:35:58,278.7629034 I mean, the Democrats are loving it, so they're absolutely fueling the file. 661 00:35:58,326.381951 --> 00:36:08,383.5248082 So what do you think is really the takeaway for our listeners here? I think just enjoy the past five minutes of us talking about Trump and the mags imploding. 662 00:36:08,583.5248082 --> 00:36:10,897.8105225 It just really the, it's the blind leading the blind. 663 00:36:10,926.381951 --> 00:36:12,840.6676653 It's like the crazies leading the crazies. 664 00:36:13,297.8105225 --> 00:36:14,869.2390939 This is just playing out. 665 00:36:14,869.2390939 --> 00:36:16,869.2390939 Like there is no lessons to be had. 666 00:36:16,954.9533796 --> 00:36:21,697.8105225 Like these people are incapable of learning lessons and we're just gonna enjoy the entertainment. 667 00:36:21,754.9533796 --> 00:36:22,126.381951 Yeah. 668 00:36:22,126.381951 --> 00:36:23,726.381951 Like if this is what we get. 669 00:36:23,926.381951 --> 00:36:25,40.6676653 Like April. 670 00:36:25,40.6676653 --> 00:36:25,412.0962368 We had. 671 00:36:26,112.0962368 --> 00:36:29,169.2390939 Elon Musk and Donald Trump breakup. 672 00:36:29,569.2390939 --> 00:36:31,883.5248082 Honestly, it's like a PR calendar. 673 00:36:32,354.9533796 --> 00:36:35,397.8105225 Is the master trade like up the calendar for you to Yeah. 674 00:36:35,397.8105225 --> 00:36:37,769.2390939 What are we up to this month? So I don't know what August is gonna bring. 675 00:36:37,997.8105225 --> 00:36:40,631.1438558 But, but I do think we need to put Jeffrey Epstein to bed. 676 00:36:40,678.7629034 --> 00:36:50,443.1438558 Let's not talking about him and let's, what's, what Trump wants you to do, From CEOs caught on camera to botch BBLs to the MAGA base accusing Trump of selling out. 677 00:36:50,471.7152844 --> 00:36:53,414.5724272 We have officially entered plot twist territory. 678 00:36:53,643.1438558 --> 00:36:58,243.1438558 Make sure you are following us wherever you get your podcast and send this to a friend who's still waiting for the list. 679 00:36:58,386.0009987 --> 00:36:59,986.0009987 And until then, we'll see you next time. 680 00:36:59,990.7629034 --> 00:37:00,95.5248082 Bye.