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• Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders’ Pay Rise: Netflix brought them into the spotlight, but is a 400% pay increase really progress—or just a PR move? We dig into the numbers, the gender pay gap, and why these women have been undervalued for decades.

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Episode Transcript

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Claire, what the hell is Carp? Carp is a pest fish and it's introduced, so it one of those fish that people will fish for recreation, but no one eats it, but oh, it's for the game.
Okay, so it's for the game of fishing.
It doesn't taste good because when you catch it and it dies, it releases like a stress hormone in itself, which makes the meat taste really, really bad.

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No, it sounds like karma.
Yeah, actually.
So watching this like TV show called Eat the Invaders and it was about how you can eat car and they were like, if you catch the car you need to stroke it to death.
Ooh.
Sounds quite intimate.
They're quite, and not many people catch it.
But then if you're said to someone, I'm eating carp, everyone's like, eating cup.
What? What do you mean you have to stroke it? You need to calm it down as it, I guess suffocates.

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Oh, so give it the most pleasant death as possible to increase flavor, to can, to increase the flavor and make it edible.
But if you think about it, it is a food that's in abundance.
So you know, we'll never go hungry 'cause we've got lots of carp and it was introduced species.
It should never have been.
It's a bottom feeding fish.
The question is, have you ever had cut, actually tried it for the first week time at a farmer's market and it was cart pate.

(01:15):
Oh.
And what? What's the verdict? It just tasted like that tuna dip.
Oh.
So it's, like Thelike.
Yeah.
But it's yeah, absolutely bizarre.
But that's car.
I like it.
And it reminds me of Doomsdays.
So if we wanna prep for the world ending, it sounds like we need a pond of cup.
If World War III breaks out and they knew Australia, which isn't gonna happen, but if they should they do it, I reckon the cup would survive.

(01:43):
Yeah.
So basically become a cup.
Partner now.
Yeah, potentially, but very small target market.
Nice.
But doable.
Coming up this week on spin cycle, we're breaking down the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders, 400% pay rise.
A listener story about a pregnant wife who's uncovered her husband's double life.
The wedding of the year with Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez tying the knot, what you need to know for tax time as this fine financial year ends, as well as the latest in def cap diaries with the jury starting jury camp.

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Let's get into it.

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Welcome to Spin Cycle, where we dig into the stories shaping the world and take a closer look at the patterns, power plays.
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Let's get spinning. 43 00:02:56,172.51020408 --> 00:03:05,322.51020408 Gab, what is top of mind for you this week? Top of mind for me this week is I have got an ICU for my client. 44 00:03:05,832.51020408 --> 00:03:08,382.51020408 A what? An ICU? Yes, that's right. 45 00:03:08,382.51020408 --> 00:03:09,822.51020408 An intensive care unit. 46 00:03:10,197.51020408 --> 00:03:10,767.51020408 For my plants. 47 00:03:11,157.51020408 --> 00:03:11,547.51020408 Okay. 48 00:03:12,177.51020408 --> 00:03:14,517.51020408 And it's not working. 49 00:03:14,997.51020408 --> 00:03:18,537.51020408 Anyone who is listening who lives in Melbourne, the weather's been atrocious. 50 00:03:18,567.51020408 --> 00:03:26,517.51020408 And if you live in a place that doesn't get enough direct sunlight, especially in this cooler months, and you are trying to raise a family of plants. 51 00:03:26,832.51020408 --> 00:03:27,402.51020408 It's a nightmare. 52 00:03:27,822.51020408 --> 00:03:30,792.51020408 Have you tried using chat GBT? No, I haven't yet. 53 00:03:30,852.51020408 --> 00:03:36,762.51020408 But what I have implemented as a starting point is I've purchased a grow light from Bunnings. 54 00:03:36,942.51020408 --> 00:03:37,32.51020408 Mm-hmm. 55 00:03:37,482.51020408 --> 00:03:41,412.51020408 Now I think I need another, because they're just dropping like flies. 56 00:03:41,772.51020408 --> 00:03:45,132.51020408 So anyway, I've got one in the kitchen. 57 00:03:45,132.51020408 --> 00:03:50,862.51020408 It's permanently set up there, and basically I put the plants through rotation depending on which ones are dying the most. 58 00:03:51,327.51020408 --> 00:03:53,637.51020408 Unfortunately at the moment, the lavender's gone. 59 00:03:53,727.51020408 --> 00:03:54,87.51020408 I don't know. 60 00:03:54,87.51020408 --> 00:03:59,847.51020408 And please listeners contact me if lavender's supposed to be dead this time of year, let me know because I'm freaking out. 61 00:04:00,297.51020408 --> 00:04:04,767.51020408 And yeah, there's a couple of other plants I've just had to move through the circulation. 62 00:04:04,767.51020408 --> 00:04:07,557.51020408 So top of mind, we've had a lot of rain today. 63 00:04:07,617.51020408 --> 00:04:07,707.51020408 Mm-hmm. 64 00:04:07,947.51020408 --> 00:04:11,842.51020408 Just thinking about my drowned sunlight deprived plants. 65 00:04:12,357.51020408 --> 00:04:13,467.51020408 So yeah, that's me. 66 00:04:14,37.51020408 --> 00:04:18,867.51020408 And what about you? What's still with mind? Oh my goodness, it has been such a busy week, but. 67 00:04:19,962.51020408 --> 00:04:33,282.51020408 I think it is jury can, and we'll talk about this episode, but it is just living rent-free in my head about what are they doing? What Is it a good time? Is it not? The more I hear about it, the less I'm like, it's a good time. 68 00:04:33,942.51020408 --> 00:04:35,322.51020408 I'm so curious. 69 00:04:35,412.51020408 --> 00:04:38,82.51020408 I'm as well as how long it's gonna take them. 70 00:04:38,472.51020408 --> 00:04:41,892.51020408 I know we're gonna dive into it, but I know the jury has gotten quite sick recently. 71 00:04:41,922.51020408 --> 00:04:42,12.51020408 Mm-hmm. 72 00:04:42,12.51020408 --> 00:04:44,292.51020408 Like they all went down with the flu by the sounds of it. 73 00:04:44,292.51020408 --> 00:04:47,742.51020408 So it's been intense and yeah. 74 00:04:48,822.51020408 --> 00:04:52,752.51020408 We'll have to update everyone once we get onto the topic, but it's huge. 75 00:04:52,992.51020408 --> 00:04:53,952.51020408 Oh yeah, definitely. 76 00:04:55,962.51020408 --> 00:05:07,392.51020408 Okay, gab, we heard a story this week from a listener that made us both pause, scream, and question whether reality is, I don't know, one dear John docu-series. 77 00:05:07,662.51020408 --> 00:05:15,192.51020408 I don't even know, like I hearing this story, I was like, what? Yes, and I need to say that. 78 00:05:15,567.51020408 --> 00:05:19,107.51020408 Our listeners are like our friends, so we, no, let's be honest. 79 00:05:19,107.51020408 --> 00:05:19,492.51020408 They're our friends. 80 00:05:19,492.51020408 --> 00:05:22,227.51020408 They're, they're our listeners, are our friends. 81 00:05:22,227.51020408 --> 00:05:22,797.51020408 Hello friends. 82 00:05:22,797.51020408 --> 00:05:23,217.51020408 Listening. 83 00:05:23,247.51020408 --> 00:05:34,257.51020408 So we are not going to disclose any details that are gonna put these people in jeopardy, but we need to disclose this story with you all because it is just crazy. 84 00:05:34,257.51020408 --> 00:05:36,117.51020408 And I know I'm still recovering. 85 00:05:36,792.51020408 --> 00:05:41,667.51020408 It came from a friend of a friend's situation, but we're going to call her Emily. 86 00:05:42,342.51020408 --> 00:05:47,472.51020408 Picture this, Emily is 36 weeks pregnant when she gets an Instagram dm. 87 00:05:47,682.51020408 --> 00:06:01,2.51020408 That changed everything I know and this, I still have this random Gail messaged her saying, Hey, I don't know you, but my friend's been dating your what? We now have learned to be your husband for the past five years. 88 00:06:01,392.51020408 --> 00:06:02,982.51020408 She has no idea. 89 00:06:02,982.51020408 --> 00:06:03,732.51020408 You exist. 90 00:06:03,762.51020408 --> 00:06:06,522.51020408 Like what? I know, five whole years. 91 00:06:06,552.51020408 --> 00:06:07,842.51020408 So that's not a fling. 92 00:06:07,872.51020408 --> 00:06:09,852.51020408 That is a full blown relationship. 93 00:06:10,317.51020408 --> 00:06:28,287.51020408 The kicker is this guy, this husband, to one partner to the other, has no social media, which clearly is very intentional and has gaslit both the women to think that socials were toxic or unnecessary, and that's just really helped him along the way. 94 00:06:28,287.51020408 --> 00:06:35,967.51020408 It's a classic red flag that is such a narcissistic move to gaslight your partner into being like, we don't need to post. 95 00:06:35,967.51020408 --> 00:06:40,487.51020408 We're not one of those people, the more you post the bigger divorce, like that kind of gaslighting behavior. 96 00:06:40,667.51020408 --> 00:06:41,387.51020408 It was just a couple. 97 00:06:41,412.51020408 --> 00:06:46,487.51020408 So his own trust, so he could make it more likely than not, his wife wouldn't discover what he was doing. 98 00:06:46,997.51020408 --> 00:06:47,447.51020408 Exactly. 99 00:06:47,497.51020408 --> 00:06:51,602.51020408 So how did they find out about Emily? The girlfriend gets suspicious, goes full. 100 00:06:51,907.51020408 --> 00:06:59,397.51020408 The SI, she finds his LinkedIn profile, sees a wedding ring in the photo and dumb criminal energy. 101 00:06:59,442.51020408 --> 00:07:03,972.51020408 So she goes and posts in his high school Facebook group. 102 00:07:04,2.51020408 --> 00:07:05,292.51020408 'cause she knew what high school he went to. 103 00:07:05,292.51020408 --> 00:07:06,12.51020408 I, I love this. 104 00:07:06,72.51020408 --> 00:07:09,102.51020408 Going to the fi you know the high school alumni? Yes. 105 00:07:09,132.51020408 --> 00:07:09,522.51020408 Yes. 106 00:07:09,652.51020408 --> 00:07:13,222.51020408 There's, if you gonna do, if you, for the graduate, a certain year Facebook group. 107 00:07:14,527.51020408 --> 00:07:15,7.51020408 It's brilliant. 108 00:07:15,37.51020408 --> 00:07:15,277.51020408 Yeah. 109 00:07:15,277.51020408 --> 00:07:16,177.51020408 Yeah, a hundred percent. 110 00:07:16,357.51020408 --> 00:07:18,637.51020408 Because you don't know if he's geographic, you could be lying about that. 111 00:07:18,757.51020408 --> 00:07:19,177.51020408 Correct. 112 00:07:19,227.51020408 --> 00:07:21,117.51020408 There's always two groups of people you can count on. 113 00:07:21,117.51020408 --> 00:07:26,397.51020408 One is the Facebook group for the high school 'cause they will dish the dirt 'cause there'll be someone doesn't like him or knowing the same friendship group. 114 00:07:26,427.51020408 --> 00:07:26,727.51020408 Yes. 115 00:07:26,787.51020408 --> 00:07:27,837.51020408 The second is the aunt. 116 00:07:27,897.51020408 --> 00:07:28,257.51020408 The aunt. 117 00:07:28,257.51020408 --> 00:07:29,667.51020408 They're always a good source of information. 118 00:07:29,667.51020408 --> 00:07:29,997.51020408 Ah, yes. 119 00:07:29,997.51020408 --> 00:07:31,527.51020408 Because I post everything on public. 120 00:07:31,527.51020408 --> 00:07:31,887.51020408 Yes. 121 00:07:31,887.51020408 --> 00:07:33,27.51020408 Everything on public. 122 00:07:33,102.51020408 --> 00:07:34,467.51020408 And they tag people too. 123 00:07:34,497.51020408 --> 00:07:36,87.51020408 Thank God for the aunties of Facebook. 124 00:07:36,187.51020408 --> 00:07:46,57.51020408 But anyway, posting his high school Facebook group asking, does anyone know who this man is? And does anyone know who his wife is? And then someone connects the dots, and they didn't just show up with gossip. 125 00:07:46,447.51020408 --> 00:07:49,627.51020408 These girls, I'm not saying these girls, Emily is the wife. 126 00:07:49,677.51020408 --> 00:07:52,977.51020408 The girl that's contacted her, it's her and her friend and they had receipt. 127 00:07:53,547.51020408 --> 00:07:55,707.51020408 We're talking full relationship proof. 128 00:07:55,887.51020408 --> 00:07:58,737.51020408 There were trips, gifts, even a sex take. 129 00:07:59,502.51020408 --> 00:08:00,72.51020408 Oh my God. 130 00:08:00,102.51020408 --> 00:08:00,282.51020408 Yeah. 131 00:08:00,282.51020408 --> 00:08:02,172.51020408 Could you imagine? And these are girls. 132 00:08:02,172.51020408 --> 00:08:03,987.51020408 Girls by the way oh, they're obviously girls. 133 00:08:03,987.51020408 --> 00:08:04,167.51020408 Girls. 134 00:08:04,197.51020408 --> 00:08:05,337.51020408 They came with receipts. 135 00:08:05,337.51020408 --> 00:08:07,47.51020408 They were like, let's get this man. 136 00:08:07,47.51020408 --> 00:08:18,177.51020408 Because we do know when we've heard of this from the past, from people you know that we know when someone finds out something about their partner that they don't like, they're very quick to blame the informant. 137 00:08:18,207.51020408 --> 00:08:18,477.51020408 Yes. 138 00:08:18,477.51020408 --> 00:08:20,37.51020408 Right? Yeah. 139 00:08:20,382.51020408 --> 00:08:25,452.51020408 So Emily was invited by the girlfriend to do like a full other woman style showdown in the park. 140 00:08:25,752.51020408 --> 00:08:26,382.51020408 She said no. 141 00:08:26,832.51020408 --> 00:08:42,562.51020408 Instead she knew when the girlfriend would be with her husband at the park, and she calls him at that same time, he starts talking, girlfriend, realize it's on, and she starts legging it across the park from him, like full rom-com runner energy. 142 00:08:43,167.51020408 --> 00:08:50,37.51020408 He's like that realization as he is watching his girlfriend, like girlfriend runaway of wives on the phone to him that clicked. 143 00:08:50,687.51020408 --> 00:08:53,267.51020408 So the wives called him and said, I need you to come home. 144 00:08:53,317.51020408 --> 00:08:54,127.51020408 He goes home. 145 00:08:54,607.51020408 --> 00:08:57,397.51020408 And what does he do? Textbook guest lighting. 146 00:08:57,572.51020408 --> 00:08:58,722.51020408 She's a stalker. 147 00:08:59,12.51020408 --> 00:08:59,682.51020408 She's crazy. 148 00:09:00,127.51020408 --> 00:09:01,147.51020408 We'll go to therapy. 149 00:09:01,207.51020408 --> 00:09:04,777.51020408 I can change all the things that people say. 150 00:09:05,137.51020408 --> 00:09:06,67.51020408 Meanwhile. 151 00:09:06,787.51020408 --> 00:09:20,927.51020408 What we found out, and this was absolutely psychotic, so him and his wife live on a street, but what we found out is that he'd purchased an investment property with the wife. 152 00:09:21,47.51020408 --> 00:09:22,397.51020408 Three streets away. 153 00:09:23,447.51020408 --> 00:09:26,627.51020408 And guess who's living in that house? The other woman. 154 00:09:27,257.51020408 --> 00:09:30,377.51020408 It's not an affair, it is literally urban planning. 155 00:09:30,797.51020408 --> 00:09:38,652.51020408 It's like big love, but it's unethical, monogamy, totally streets apart. 156 00:09:39,492.51020408 --> 00:10:02,997.51020408 But that's just such a risk in that, what about if they go to the same supermarket so he could potentially, and I'm making this up, but go see a sweetheart and gone for a run two hour run and just walk the next three streets down and, afternoon delight and like the most messed up thing is emily would talk about how New Year's Eve, he just would disappear for hours and they clocked that he'd actually gone to the girlfriend's for New Year's Eve. 157 00:10:03,507.51020408 --> 00:10:06,567.51020408 What? Part of him must get off on this. 158 00:10:06,597.51020408 --> 00:10:08,217.51020408 The secrecy a hundred percent. 159 00:10:08,217.51020408 --> 00:10:10,437.51020408 If you get the power, he feels doing it. 160 00:10:10,797.51020408 --> 00:10:14,217.51020408 It's like Katherine Heigle in 17 dresses where she's going from one wedding to the other. 161 00:10:14,247.51020408 --> 00:10:16,167.51020408 Like he would literally be doing things like that. 162 00:10:16,437.51020408 --> 00:10:17,487.51020408 Yeah, exactly. 163 00:10:17,757.51020408 --> 00:10:23,157.51020408 We haven't mentioned this again, but as we said at the start, this woman who's found out that her husband is 36 weeks pregnant. 164 00:10:23,387.51020408 --> 00:10:25,157.51020408 So it gets worse, G. 165 00:10:25,217.51020408 --> 00:10:35,717.51020408 So Emily is now 39 weeks pregnant, and the other woman we've learned has also been pregnant, tragically lost the baby, but they were both pregnant. 166 00:10:36,32.51020408 --> 00:10:37,262.51020408 At the same time. 167 00:10:37,532.51020408 --> 00:10:41,732.51020408 So he was trying to raise two secret families within walking distance. 168 00:10:42,912.51020408 --> 00:10:45,822.51020408 It's the second time I'm hearing this and I'm still shocked. 169 00:10:46,62.51020408 --> 00:10:49,332.51020408 So naturally, what did Emily do? She's cut him off. 170 00:10:49,992.51020408 --> 00:10:51,342.51020408 He's not allowed at the birth. 171 00:10:51,372.51020408 --> 00:11:01,122.51020408 And obviously they are separated, but I keep thinking, how many of these stories do we never hear about because they just don't get caught out. 172 00:11:01,282.51020408 --> 00:11:08,482.51020408 The saddest thing is they were married, like I know, five years together, two of which they're married and on paper he's barrister. 173 00:11:08,482.51020408 --> 00:11:13,52.51020408 He seemed perfect, but she never saw this coming, which is terrifying. 174 00:11:13,502.51020408 --> 00:11:13,892.51020408 I know. 175 00:11:13,892.51020408 --> 00:11:18,872.51020408 And I think on that is that he started the relationship with the other woman at the same time. 176 00:11:18,872.51020408 --> 00:11:21,692.51020408 He started the relationship with his wife five years ago. 177 00:11:23,12.51020408 --> 00:11:29,372.51020408 To have that and still go into trying to have a baby, it's carelessness it. 178 00:11:29,762.51020408 --> 00:11:32,567.51020408 Even the implication of that for your child. 179 00:11:32,597.51020408 --> 00:11:33,827.51020408 Sending us that story. 180 00:11:33,917.51020408 --> 00:11:36,77.51020408 We keep 'em coming. 181 00:11:36,77.51020408 --> 00:11:36,952.51020408 We would love more. 182 00:11:36,952.51020408 --> 00:11:37,232.51020408 Keep coming. 183 00:11:37,237.51020408 --> 00:11:37,717.51020408 Yeah, yeah. 184 00:11:40,609.51020408 --> 00:11:43,759.51020408 Gab, we had the wedding of the year a few days ago. 185 00:11:43,759.51020408 --> 00:11:44,569.51020408 We did. 186 00:11:44,569.51020408 --> 00:11:47,449.51020408 It was the Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez. 187 00:11:47,869.51020408 --> 00:11:51,889.51020408 Billionaire drama meets Venetian opera is, I think, what they were trying to go for. 188 00:11:51,939.51020408 --> 00:11:52,419.51020408 Yeah. 189 00:11:52,449.51020408 --> 00:11:56,79.51020408 Just a whole in very cringe, but I, but in the best way possible. 190 00:11:56,814.51020408 --> 00:11:57,999.51020408 It was so tacky, g. 191 00:11:57,999.51020408 --> 00:11:58,919.51020408 Yeah, it was tacky. 192 00:11:59,94.51020408 --> 00:12:04,884.51020408 Like even her dress, I could see where she was going, but it was not great. 193 00:12:05,34.51020408 --> 00:12:07,349.51020408 Have you seen, you've seen the dress, haven't you? Let's pull it back up. 194 00:12:09,929.51020408 --> 00:12:10,169.51020408 Oh. 195 00:12:10,289.51020408 --> 00:12:12,339.51020408 Just to such a wedding dress and there's so many posts on it. 196 00:12:14,319.51020408 --> 00:12:14,559.51020408 It. 197 00:12:15,789.51020408 --> 00:12:17,709.51020408 Oh, you go inspired. 198 00:12:19,149.51020408 --> 00:12:21,9.51020408 Oh, I see, I understand it. 199 00:12:21,129.51020408 --> 00:12:29,629.51020408 They said it was inspired by Sophia lauren, wedding dress montage from the 1958 film, the Houseboat, but it's not quite right. 200 00:12:30,859.51020408 --> 00:12:42,979.51020408 No, but also, this is Sophia Red is like a classic look and very elegant, whereas like Lauren is, I'm, and it's her fa for me it's the face, but a face. 201 00:12:42,979.51020408 --> 00:12:44,119.51020408 She's had so much work. 202 00:12:44,149.51020408 --> 00:12:44,989.51020408 She's had a lot of work. 203 00:12:45,19.51020408 --> 00:12:49,314.51020408 Nothing wrong with having work done, but she doesn't exactly look like a natural human being. 204 00:12:49,314.51020408 --> 00:12:51,199.51020408 It's a very severe, it is severe. 205 00:12:51,199.51020408 --> 00:12:54,939.51020408 Whereas that classic look, more delicate. 206 00:12:55,119.51020408 --> 00:12:55,629.51020408 So. 207 00:12:56,334.51020408 --> 00:13:02,544.51020408 Jeff Bezos was back in the market in 2019 when him and his longtime wife, Mackenzie Bezos, they separated. 208 00:13:02,634.51020408 --> 00:13:03,54.51020408 Yes. 209 00:13:03,54.51020408 --> 00:13:04,854.51020408 And she, 'cause she had seen him through everything. 210 00:13:04,904.51020408 --> 00:13:05,924.51020408 So there was no prenup. 211 00:13:05,924.51020408 --> 00:13:08,534.51020408 And that was because they married before Amazon. 212 00:13:08,534.51020408 --> 00:13:12,144.51020408 Yeah, big Mackenzie worked as an asset manager. 213 00:13:12,144.51020408 --> 00:13:13,914.51020408 So she was the breadwinner at the time. 214 00:13:14,154.51020408 --> 00:13:17,394.51020408 She quit her job to help him launch, to support him. 215 00:13:17,454.51020408 --> 00:13:17,904.51020408 Amazon. 216 00:13:17,904.51020408 --> 00:13:18,984.51020408 She knew there was potential. 217 00:13:19,74.51020408 --> 00:13:21,294.51020408 She was the one that was taking books to the. 218 00:13:21,879.51020408 --> 00:13:23,79.51020408 Post office to post. 219 00:13:23,199.51020408 --> 00:13:26,739.51020408 She was their first accountant behind the scenes she was supporting. 220 00:13:26,739.51020408 --> 00:13:31,330.51020408 So if anyone says, oh, she got the money, no, they built this company together. 221 00:13:31,330.51020408 --> 00:13:32,289.51020408 They could do it together. 222 00:13:32,379.51020408 --> 00:13:36,69.51020408 She in the shadows, but it Was not possible without her support. 223 00:13:36,69.51020408 --> 00:13:37,179.51020408 Clearly, a hundred percent. 224 00:13:37,479.51020408 --> 00:13:46,944.51020408 So when they separated, McKenzie received a estimated 38 billion in Amazon stock, making her the world's richest woman and third richest, third richest. 225 00:13:47,739.51020408 --> 00:13:49,959.51020408 She's pledged to give away at least half. 226 00:13:49,989.51020408 --> 00:14:01,659.51020408 And since she's donated 19 billion to over 2000 augs, I think on that the same time as the wedding she was doing, like their ex-wife was doing something philanthropic. 227 00:14:02,739.51020408 --> 00:14:03,279.51020408 I'm not sure. 228 00:14:03,339.51020408 --> 00:14:04,479.51020408 I think it was a walk or something. 229 00:14:04,479.51020408 --> 00:14:05,79.51020408 I saw that. 230 00:14:05,199.51020408 --> 00:14:05,589.51020408 Yeah. 231 00:14:05,769.51020408 --> 00:14:08,979.51020408 Also, interestingly, nothing, none of their children went to his wedding. 232 00:14:09,729.51020408 --> 00:14:15,399.51020408 No, but enter Lauren Sanchez, who is she? So she's a former TV anchor. 233 00:14:15,999.51020408 --> 00:14:16,569.51020408 Nominee. 234 00:14:16,749.51020408 --> 00:14:21,849.51020408 She is the founder of Black Ops Aviation, which shows cinematography for Amazon and Netflix. 235 00:14:22,239.51020408 --> 00:14:28,469.51020408 Third generation, Amer a Mexican American has stories about growing up, disadvantaged personal life. 236 00:14:28,519.51020408 --> 00:14:33,499.51020408 She has three kids, one with an ex, NFL, and two with her ex husband, Patrick Whitesell. 237 00:14:33,499.51020408 --> 00:14:33,589.51020408 Mm-hmm. 238 00:14:33,589.51020408 --> 00:14:35,659.51020408 Who's a Hollywood power agent. 239 00:14:37,624.51020408 --> 00:14:41,344.51020408 And so when that all ended, there was a prenup there as well. 240 00:14:41,524.51020408 --> 00:14:44,494.51020408 She had 30 million from that separation. 241 00:14:44,674.51020408 --> 00:14:47,664.51020408 So she does have money, in own right? Not to the extent of Jeff Bezos. 242 00:14:48,414.51020408 --> 00:14:53,724.51020408 And so how did they meet? Filming for Blue Origin projects? Ah, which was for Amazon Prime. 243 00:14:54,474.51020408 --> 00:14:56,514.51020408 So 11 a launchpad, I guess we could say. 244 00:14:56,874.51020408 --> 00:14:57,624.51020408 Hilarious. 245 00:14:58,854.51020408 --> 00:15:00,204.51020408 They actually. 246 00:15:01,149.51020408 --> 00:15:02,889.51020408 Got together under a bit of controversy. 247 00:15:03,69.51020408 --> 00:15:17,49.51020408 So before the divorce was formalized, tabloid, leaked that they were having an affair with text messages and there was extortion to Jeff Bezos that if you don't pay up or provide more information, we will leak the story. 248 00:15:17,709.51020408 --> 00:15:19,659.51020408 And then the divorce announcement drops. 249 00:15:20,619.51020408 --> 00:15:21,309.51020408 Oh wow. 250 00:15:21,699.51020408 --> 00:15:27,999.51020408 The day after Mackenzie and Jeff Bezos settle their divorce Lauren files for divorce. 251 00:15:28,839.51020408 --> 00:15:30,284.51020408 Oh, so it's timed similarly. 252 00:15:30,414.51020408 --> 00:15:31,84.51020408 Super timed. 253 00:15:31,89.51020408 --> 00:15:31,269.51020408 Yeah. 254 00:15:31,539.51020408 --> 00:15:32,529.51020408 How convenient. 255 00:15:32,709.51020408 --> 00:15:33,189.51020408 Fast forward. 256 00:15:33,909.51020408 --> 00:15:39,969.51020408 Jeff proposed to Lauren in May, 2023 on their $500 million Super yacht. 257 00:15:39,969.51020408 --> 00:15:41,619.51020408 The Corru off the Coats of France. 258 00:15:41,649.51020408 --> 00:15:42,909.51020408 That's a photo I wanna see. 259 00:15:42,999.51020408 --> 00:15:43,659.51020408 I'll look that up. 260 00:15:43,809.51020408 --> 00:15:46,689.51020408 It's a 30 Kara platinum ring. 261 00:15:47,19.51020408 --> 00:15:49,149.51020408 Valued at three to 5 million. 262 00:15:49,419.51020408 --> 00:15:51,249.51020408 Do you know how heavy A three to five. 263 00:15:51,789.51020408 --> 00:15:55,329.51020408 Sorry, A 30 karat, how heavy was that? It'd be huge. 264 00:15:55,479.51020408 --> 00:15:59,919.51020408 That would be, so like you always see people with a five karat ring and it looks obnoxious. 265 00:16:01,479.51020408 --> 00:16:06,429.51020408 Is that even functional? Can you even do anything? It would be like having one of those like lollipops. 266 00:16:06,429.51020408 --> 00:16:08,469.51020408 Yeah, lollipop rings. 267 00:16:08,589.51020408 --> 00:16:11,259.51020408 You like having one of those permanently stuck to your wedding finger. 268 00:16:11,289.51020408 --> 00:16:13,209.51020408 It'd be really, it's embarrassing as well. 269 00:16:13,269.51020408 --> 00:16:13,659.51020408 Yeah. 270 00:16:13,719.51020408 --> 00:16:17,889.51020408 With the weight of that, wouldn't it actually just flip around with gravity? Yeah, and just be upside down. 271 00:16:17,889.51020408 --> 00:16:22,899.51020408 I don't think it would be very comfortable because you often hear people say that, you know when they have too many carrots, it's actually just impractical. 272 00:16:22,929.51020408 --> 00:16:24,39.51020408 'cause it so sets so high. 273 00:16:25,29.51020408 --> 00:16:32,379.51020408 Why do you think they're so into being tacky? Do you think that they know that they're tacky or they don't care? I think they don't care. 274 00:16:32,409.51020408 --> 00:16:33,879.51020408 I think they like what they like. 275 00:16:34,749.51020408 --> 00:16:36,9.51020408 That's probably why they're together. 276 00:16:36,219.51020408 --> 00:16:39,9.51020408 Yeah, it was. 277 00:16:39,99.51020408 --> 00:16:40,929.5102041 I think they are very extra people. 278 00:16:40,959.5102041 --> 00:16:42,309.5102041 Like They like extra. 279 00:16:42,339.5102041 --> 00:16:42,489.5102041 Yeah. 280 00:16:42,489.5102041 --> 00:16:44,319.5102041 Excess flamboyance. 281 00:16:44,319.5102041 --> 00:16:45,159.5102041 Extravagance. 282 00:16:45,909.5102041 --> 00:16:54,349.5102041 I think when you've got everything, you just, what do you do? You may as well enjoy, fast forward, we've seen a lot of Lauren, we saw what she wanted, the inauguration. 283 00:16:54,439.5102041 --> 00:16:57,679.5102041 She's been a fixture part of Trump coming back into office. 284 00:16:57,679.5102041 --> 00:17:01,129.5102041 Given that Bezos was a supporter of the Trump administration. 285 00:17:01,609.5102041 --> 00:17:04,429.5102041 In April of this year, we also saw Lauren in space. 286 00:17:05,269.5102041 --> 00:17:07,789.5102041 Another cringe moment, though, unfortunately. 287 00:17:08,659.5102041 --> 00:17:09,619.5102041 It could have been. 288 00:17:10,9.5102041 --> 00:17:11,479.5102041 It could have been better. 289 00:17:11,479.5102041 --> 00:17:12,649.5102041 I know we've covered this. 290 00:17:13,429.5102041 --> 00:17:16,159.5102041 It's just that quote where she's we're putting the ass back in astronaut. 291 00:17:16,219.5102041 --> 00:17:19,399.5102041 And it's like, no, your women in stem. 292 00:17:19,879.5102041 --> 00:17:22,729.5102041 Like it was a great leap backwards. 293 00:17:22,729.5102041 --> 00:17:23,599.5102041 It was embarrassing. 294 00:17:23,629.5102041 --> 00:17:24,799.5102041 It was so embarrassing. 295 00:17:25,429.5102041 --> 00:17:28,459.5102041 So that was April and now we're in. 296 00:17:29,194.5102041 --> 00:17:31,234.5102041 We're in July, but technically end of June. 297 00:17:31,294.5102041 --> 00:17:32,884.5102041 Then there's this whole talk of the wedding. 298 00:17:32,944.5102041 --> 00:17:33,304.5102041 Yes. 299 00:17:33,364.5102041 --> 00:17:38,364.5102041 They got married late June in Venice and did you see all the protests? Yes. 300 00:17:38,514.5102041 --> 00:17:49,834.5102041 So they rented Venice as a city, which I didn't know you can do, but you could tell not quite, but they basically just, yeah, but you could tell with all of, the Venetians were not happy. 301 00:17:50,49.5102041 --> 00:17:51,179.5102041 They didn't want it. 302 00:17:51,179.5102041 --> 00:17:54,4.5102041 They were posters, they were protests. 303 00:17:54,4.5102041 --> 00:17:54,214.5102041 The work. 304 00:17:55,264.5102041 --> 00:17:59,824.5102041 I actually saw at some point of Venetians get their way, winning a move location. 305 00:18:00,134.5102041 --> 00:18:00,614.5102041 Yes. 306 00:18:00,854.5102041 --> 00:18:03,44.5102041 So it's reported that this wedding cost 50 million. 307 00:18:03,614.5102041 --> 00:18:07,634.5102041 They asked for no gifts with guests told to donate to three Venice based charities. 308 00:18:07,664.5102041 --> 00:18:08,234.5102041 Interesting. 309 00:18:08,264.5102041 --> 00:18:11,954.5102041 There was a lot of security, local police NDAs for staff. 310 00:18:12,554.5102041 --> 00:18:20,414.5102041 So one thing that was really funny is could you imagine being the head wedding planner for that wedding, having a iron tight NDA. 311 00:18:20,789.5102041 --> 00:18:25,559.5102041 Then someone went and put in the New York Times their wedding services at the wedding of the year. 312 00:18:26,159.5102041 --> 00:18:26,219.5102041 Yeah. 313 00:18:26,219.5102041 --> 00:18:27,509.5102041 That wasn't related to them. 314 00:18:28,169.5102041 --> 00:18:28,439.5102041 Yeah. 315 00:18:28,439.5102041 --> 00:18:30,59.5102041 I just, and there's nothing you can do. 316 00:18:30,89.5102041 --> 00:18:31,19.5102041 No, you can't. 317 00:18:32,399.5102041 --> 00:18:34,529.5102041 But the things they would have seen Yeah. 318 00:18:34,799.5102041 --> 00:18:35,609.5102041 At that event. 319 00:18:35,639.5102041 --> 00:18:36,29.5102041 Yes. 320 00:18:36,59.5102041 --> 00:18:40,379.5102041 So for security reasons, the guests weren't told where they were going until the day of. 321 00:18:41,189.5102041 --> 00:18:48,984.5102041 So I had all these security, sorry, famous celebrities, just rocker, strolling through Venice trying to find the location on Canal boat, and. 322 00:18:49,329.5102041 --> 00:19:01,989.5102041 May I just say, I'm sure they wouldn't have had this problem with the private boats and everything, but trying to navigate yourself around Venice, the canal, a busy, in a busy month in the middle of summer is actually horrific. 323 00:19:02,199.5102041 --> 00:19:03,39.5102041 Yeah, I've done it. 324 00:19:03,129.5102041 --> 00:19:05,379.5102041 The boats that weren't, there's people everywhere. 325 00:19:05,409.5102041 --> 00:19:07,179.5102041 They're on Italian time, it's chaos. 326 00:19:07,239.5102041 --> 00:19:11,229.5102041 I remember being in Venice in summer and it was like late thirties. 327 00:19:11,229.5102041 --> 00:19:14,379.5102041 It was so hot, and Venice is just so much stone. 328 00:19:15,324.5102041 --> 00:19:16,284.5102041 And There's no cars. 329 00:19:16,284.5102041 --> 00:19:17,274.5102041 You gotta walk everywhere. 330 00:19:17,424.5102041 --> 00:19:17,694.5102041 Yeah. 331 00:19:17,754.5102041 --> 00:19:22,994.5102041 And the thing is that the boats between the little ports close off after a certain point at night. 332 00:19:23,504.5102041 --> 00:19:30,164.5102041 I was actually there for carnival one year and because the boat stopped, I think it took three. 333 00:19:30,164.5102041 --> 00:19:35,864.5102041 I'm not joking you three hours to get from one side of Venice to the other in the middle of, it's the end of the night. 334 00:19:35,864.5102041 --> 00:19:36,314.5102041 Oh my god. 335 00:19:36,344.5102041 --> 00:19:37,334.5102041 Insane, insane. 336 00:19:37,364.5102041 --> 00:19:37,994.5102041 Lots of fun though. 337 00:19:39,974.5102041 --> 00:19:49,29.5102041 Who attended this wedding? Gab? Who didn't attend this wedding, the wedding of the year? So we had Kim, we had Chloe, we had Kendall, Kylie, Oprah was there. 338 00:19:49,59.5102041 --> 00:19:49,629.5102041 She looked great. 339 00:19:49,869.5102041 --> 00:19:50,499.5102041 She did look great. 340 00:19:51,39.5102041 --> 00:19:55,569.5102041 Gail King, bill Gates, Tom Brady, who looks really scary now. 341 00:19:56,559.5102041 --> 00:19:57,134.5102041 I don't know if they swo. 342 00:19:57,584.5102041 --> 00:19:58,724.5102041 Is because he is age so much. 343 00:19:58,784.5102041 --> 00:19:59,174.5102041 Yeah. 344 00:19:59,174.5102041 --> 00:20:02,684.5102041 He just looks like really awkward and you're trying to look him up. 345 00:20:02,714.5102041 --> 00:20:06,314.5102041 Yeah, because I had Orlando Bloom and he was seen out and about. 346 00:20:06,944.5102041 --> 00:20:08,384.5102041 With Sydney Sweeney. 347 00:20:08,564.5102041 --> 00:20:16,4.5102041 This is very controversial actually, I about Orlando Bloom because only recently it's come out that they separated, split from Ka Perry. 348 00:20:16,64.5102041 --> 00:20:16,364.5102041 Yeah. 349 00:20:17,564.5102041 --> 00:20:24,494.5102041 There was Ivanka Trump, Carly Kloss Usher, Leonardo DiCaprio probably with his 20, yeah, 24-year-old. 350 00:20:24,500.5102041 --> 00:20:25,634.5102041 24-year-old girlfriend. 351 00:20:26,24.5102041 --> 00:20:27,794.5102041 And Elon Musk was rumored to be there. 352 00:20:28,664.5102041 --> 00:20:29,714.5102041 Elon Musk was there. 353 00:20:29,744.5102041 --> 00:20:29,954.5102041 Okay. 354 00:20:29,954.5102041 --> 00:20:31,124.5102041 I've not seen any footage of that. 355 00:20:31,184.5102041 --> 00:20:31,604.5102041 No, I haven't. 356 00:20:31,604.5102041 --> 00:20:34,474.5102041 So he might have turned up because he's having more fight with Trump. 357 00:20:35,89.5102041 --> 00:20:35,509.5102041 Trump, sorry. 358 00:20:35,509.5102041 --> 00:20:38,809.5102041 Need to investigate him by Doge, which is so ironic. 359 00:20:39,19.5102041 --> 00:20:39,769.5102041 It's hilarious. 360 00:20:40,459.5102041 --> 00:20:44,899.5102041 So it was basically Forbes List meets the Met Gala meets Amazon shareholder meetings. 361 00:20:47,569.5102041 --> 00:20:50,659.5102041 And the last minute chaos, you touched on it before. 362 00:20:50,659.5102041 --> 00:20:52,279.5102041 So there were the protests. 363 00:20:52,579.5102041 --> 00:20:52,669.5102041 Mm-hmm. 364 00:20:53,359.5102041 --> 00:20:56,919.5102041 And the local resistance I think their key line was no space for Bezos. 365 00:20:57,219.5102041 --> 00:20:57,669.5102041 Yes. 366 00:20:58,419.5102041 --> 00:20:58,929.5102041 Life. 367 00:20:58,989.5102041 --> 00:21:04,989.5102041 Life-sized Bezos dummies floated through the canals, fist balls of fake cash and Amazon bucks box rafts. 368 00:21:05,379.5102041 --> 00:21:10,29.5102041 There was a planned brocade, so protestors threatened to clog the canals with inflatable crocodiles. 369 00:21:10,179.5102041 --> 00:21:15,789.5102041 Wedding planners move Main event from the Miss Accordia to the fortified arsenal shipyard at the last minute. 370 00:21:16,419.5102041 --> 00:21:17,379.5102041 Oh, I think I know where that is. 371 00:21:17,384.5102041 --> 00:21:17,829.5102041 Okay, cool. 372 00:21:17,829.5102041 --> 00:21:26,679.5102041 Yeah, and a quote from the local official is, we would have given a ba, we would've given, been given a bad impression of the city and a statement totally. 373 00:21:27,279.5102041 --> 00:21:29,949.5102041 So the welcome party, let's go through the events. 374 00:21:30,19.5102041 --> 00:21:35,539.5102041 So the welcome party was the first part of it in the Madonna Alto Church cloisters. 375 00:21:35,539.5102041 --> 00:21:38,959.5102041 There was wood by pizza, truffle pasta, open air glamor. 376 00:21:38,959.5102041 --> 00:21:40,519.5102041 I really, that does sound quite nice. 377 00:21:40,574.5102041 --> 00:21:41,114.5102041 I'm there. 378 00:21:41,234.5102041 --> 00:21:41,414.5102041 Yeah. 379 00:21:43,4.5102041 --> 00:21:48,369.5102041 And then there was of course a ceremony at, I'm gonna try and say this San Madre. 380 00:21:48,419.5102041 --> 00:21:52,84.5102041 Which is a Illa card decked with about $10 million in flowers. 381 00:21:52,999.5102041 --> 00:21:56,539.5102041 Lauren arrived by boat in a custom dolce bar, mermaid gown. 382 00:21:56,989.5102041 --> 00:22:00,649.5102041 The mermaid gown, I think had the dress been more flowy. 383 00:22:00,679.5102041 --> 00:22:03,459.5102041 But the the mermaid fit, I think is what made it so severe. 384 00:22:03,879.5102041 --> 00:22:04,539.5102041 Oh, totally. 385 00:22:04,769.5102041 --> 00:22:09,29.5102041 She had the diamond earrings and her something blue with, from her space. 386 00:22:09,29.5102041 --> 00:22:11,799.5102041 John, Jeff was in Tom Ford. 387 00:22:11,919.5102041 --> 00:22:14,529.5102041 And of course aviators. 388 00:22:14,559.5102041 --> 00:22:14,829.5102041 Yeah. 389 00:22:16,854.5102041 --> 00:22:17,454.5102041 The music. 390 00:22:18,144.5102041 --> 00:22:24,174.5102041 What was the Oz song? Claire does? Mateo Belli, who is, he's the son of Andrea Belli. 391 00:22:24,174.5102041 --> 00:22:24,414.5102041 Yeah. 392 00:22:24,684.5102041 --> 00:22:26,304.5102041 Sing Can't Help Falling In Love. 393 00:22:27,294.5102041 --> 00:22:32,484.5102041 They had a Michelin Star menu for the reception at the Arsenal Fireworks. 394 00:22:32,994.5102041 --> 00:22:37,854.5102041 They had secret Grammy performers and after on a yacht. 395 00:22:38,4.5102041 --> 00:22:39,654.5102041 So the guests were all in silk PJs. 396 00:22:40,944.5102041 --> 00:22:45,984.5102041 All locally pre food was served, but it was quite an extravagant multi-day affair. 397 00:22:46,344.5102041 --> 00:22:47,594.5102041 Oh it sounds really fun though. 398 00:22:47,594.5102041 --> 00:22:50,564.5102041 I'm wondering how long the celebrity stayed for It's flying. 399 00:22:50,564.5102041 --> 00:22:54,409.5102041 Flying out, well, so there was 90 private jet parked at Venice Airports. 400 00:22:54,439.5102041 --> 00:22:54,619.5102041 Ah. 401 00:22:54,619.5102041 --> 00:22:56,329.5102041 So to just leave and such a flex. 402 00:22:56,449.5102041 --> 00:22:57,409.5102041 It is such a flex. 403 00:22:57,409.5102041 --> 00:23:03,169.5102041 I wonder how long that, how long is that flight? Like getting an Uber you're just like, Hey Leo, can I hitch a ride with you and your jet? Yeah. 404 00:23:03,169.5102041 --> 00:23:05,539.5102041 Is there a group text of Hey, heading hung over. 405 00:23:05,539.5102041 --> 00:23:07,784.5102041 I fit, but I'm just gonna go. 406 00:23:07,894.5102041 --> 00:23:08,184.5102041 Yeah. 407 00:23:09,19.5102041 --> 00:23:10,849.5102041 Can you imagine? Oh my goodness. 408 00:23:11,59.5102041 --> 00:23:13,189.5102041 None that, like most of these people are not flying commercial. 409 00:23:13,939.5102041 --> 00:23:14,989.5102041 No, not at all. 410 00:23:15,49.5102041 --> 00:23:15,379.5102041 Mm-hmm. 411 00:23:16,339.5102041 --> 00:23:20,609.5102041 Then we have some little, gossip in terms of the delay. 412 00:23:20,879.5102041 --> 00:23:24,509.5102041 So the wedding, this wedding wasn't supposed to be in Venice. 413 00:23:24,509.5102041 --> 00:23:26,789.5102041 It was actually supposed to be in Aspen. 414 00:23:26,909.5102041 --> 00:23:27,419.5102041 I didn't know that. 415 00:23:27,424.5102041 --> 00:23:33,539.5102041 But it rumored that it was delayed because they, Bezos wanted to make sure the prenup was watertight. 416 00:23:34,184.5102041 --> 00:23:36,794.5102041 Because Bezos lost 38 billion to Mackenzie. 417 00:23:36,794.5102041 --> 00:23:37,394.5102041 Lesson learned. 418 00:23:37,604.5102041 --> 00:23:45,134.5102041 I have an issue with that though, because prenup, like real is any prenup water type pre prenups in in the US are so much different to what we can do here. 419 00:23:45,224.5102041 --> 00:23:46,394.5102041 Oh, maybe that's why I'm getting confused. 420 00:23:46,394.5102041 --> 00:23:46,849.5102041 Yeah, yeah. 421 00:23:46,854.5102041 --> 00:23:51,94.5102041 But it's a bit arrogant, for him to be like, I wanted to be water type because I lost so much money. 422 00:23:51,124.5102041 --> 00:23:52,984.5102041 No, she built that company with you. 423 00:23:53,134.5102041 --> 00:23:54,154.5102041 She deserves every sense. 424 00:23:54,154.5102041 --> 00:23:58,984.5102041 She got, surely that comment is a red flag to Lauren going, what? Final thoughts. 425 00:23:58,984.5102041 --> 00:24:04,474.5102041 What are your thoughts on this, uh, wedding of the year? Oh, I think it was just some nice light entertainment. 426 00:24:04,474.5102041 --> 00:24:11,304.5102041 It's for us as, the poor people was interesting to what some guests unexpected to me. 427 00:24:12,354.5102041 --> 00:24:19,954.5102041 My favorite quote on Twitter was that Mackenzie gives away more than this wedding cost every week, which I think is a nice one to finish on. 428 00:24:20,926.5102041 --> 00:24:21,916.5102041 Oh, I like that. 429 00:24:22,666.5102041 --> 00:24:29,476.5102041 We're gonna talk today about the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders, and if you haven't seen it, there's a show on Netflix and just launched season two. 430 00:24:29,716.5102041 --> 00:24:30,346.5102041 Oh, there you go. 431 00:24:30,446.5102041 --> 00:24:34,616.5102041 And it's about these cheerleaders who've just secured a 400% pay rise. 432 00:24:35,66.5102041 --> 00:24:41,186.5102041 And even with that headline grabbing number, the story behind it will show you that it's still probably not enough. 433 00:24:41,936.5102041 --> 00:24:48,296.5102041 And also how these women have been undervalued for such a long time and these. 434 00:24:49,121.5102041 --> 00:24:50,891.5102041 Women are so well known. 435 00:24:51,11.5102041 --> 00:24:55,691.5102041 When you see that iconic Dallas Cowboys cheerleader costumes, you know exactly who they were. 436 00:24:56,111.5102041 --> 00:25:00,221.5102041 And it's one of the most prestigious dance teams across the country that you can be in the us. 437 00:25:00,731.5102041 --> 00:25:01,511.5102041 Exactly right. 438 00:25:01,541.5102041 --> 00:25:03,11.5102041 Have you seen the show Gad? No. 439 00:25:03,11.5102041 --> 00:25:05,861.5102041 I've seen Snippet, but of co, of course, heard of them. 440 00:25:05,861.5102041 --> 00:25:09,131.5102041 And they've really created this sort of global news around this. 441 00:25:09,461.5102041 --> 00:25:10,991.5102041 Yeah, I love this. 442 00:25:10,991.5102041 --> 00:25:13,61.5102041 Like I used to watch DCC making the team. 443 00:25:13,121.5102041 --> 00:25:13,991.5102041 Oh, you do? Yeah. 444 00:25:13,991.5102041 --> 00:25:15,401.5102041 So it, it's been going for 10 years. 445 00:25:15,401.5102041 --> 00:25:19,901.5102041 And then last year they had season one of the DCC making documentary and now season two. 446 00:25:20,771.5102041 --> 00:25:25,541.5102041 But you see how much work goes into being a Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. 447 00:25:25,541.5102041 --> 00:25:31,781.5102041 These are like the best athletes in dance and they are not getting the paychecks that the cowboys are getting. 448 00:25:32,111.5102041 --> 00:25:36,941.5102041 And from what I've heard, even from the start, the, there's a really brutal audition process. 449 00:25:37,826.5102041 --> 00:25:52,86.5102041 So much pressure, and particularly around as one of our girlfriends was telling me around the weight and being given one outfit and having, there was so much pressure to be at a certain level consistently every day. 450 00:25:52,116.5102041 --> 00:25:58,686.5102041 So the girls would diet ahead of audition and there's an expectation that they would maintain their audition weight and they'd get regularly weighed. 451 00:25:58,686.5102041 --> 00:26:05,166.5102041 And if you have not maintained that was in violation of your contract, it's pretty insane, especially when you think about. 452 00:26:05,751.5102041 --> 00:26:07,791.5102041 Women's hormones and your cycle. 453 00:26:07,821.5102041 --> 00:26:12,331.5102041 I mean, there's some periods of the month where some of this might be outta your control. 454 00:26:12,481.5102041 --> 00:26:18,721.5102041 So in earlier seasons, they would just be like, you've gotten fat, like you've gained weight, you've got a flubby stomach. 455 00:26:18,721.5102041 --> 00:26:21,121.5102041 They were really like overt Yeah. 456 00:26:21,181.5102041 --> 00:26:23,371.5102041 Into shame what the issue, what their concerns were. 457 00:26:23,671.5102041 --> 00:26:28,411.5102041 And then say if you don't, if you don't tighten up, you'll be off the team. 458 00:26:28,861.5102041 --> 00:26:32,221.5102041 Or they get put on probation until they lose the weight and then they can go back on the field. 459 00:26:32,791.5102041 --> 00:26:36,271.5102041 Now they say, oh, she's just looking a bit more womanly. 460 00:26:36,931.5102041 --> 00:26:37,111.5102041 Oh. 461 00:26:37,111.5102041 --> 00:26:42,571.5102041 So they're trying to be a bit more appropriate and just trying to be more selective in their language. 462 00:26:43,201.5102041 --> 00:26:47,101.5102041 And they, they may comment like, they're more selective about who's gonna be on the team for concern about that. 463 00:26:47,491.5102041 --> 00:26:48,1.5102041 Hmm. 464 00:26:48,221.5102041 --> 00:26:56,531.5102041 So many strict rules that, and we've spoken about the pressure, but really the Netflix series lifted that lid on how much work they're actually doing. 465 00:26:57,731.5102041 --> 00:27:01,361.5102041 For what was until recently, they were on really shockingly low pay. 466 00:27:01,691.5102041 --> 00:27:02,141.5102041 Yeah. 467 00:27:02,321.5102041 --> 00:27:15,71.5102041 So just to put it into perspective, before this change, they were earning about $15 an hour or $500 a game, and a lot of them were basically making minimum wage despite being part of a billion dollars sports brand. 468 00:27:15,341.5102041 --> 00:27:16,601.5102041 And just put them to perspective gab. 469 00:27:16,871.5102041 --> 00:27:22,751.5102041 They spend hours preparing, so they go to training multiple most of the nights of the week, and that's seven till 10:00 PM. 470 00:27:23,186.5102041 --> 00:27:31,406.5102041 They have all the work to prepare for games, all the personal maintenance they have being at the game day itself, where you know it's a full day. 471 00:27:31,406.5102041 --> 00:27:34,706.5102041 They've gotta get there really early, they get home really late, it's their life. 472 00:27:34,916.5102041 --> 00:27:35,336.5102041 Exactly. 473 00:27:35,336.5102041 --> 00:27:37,856.5102041 And then there's all the things they do to maintain that. 474 00:27:38,456.5102041 --> 00:27:40,316.5102041 And they were not being common they for that. 475 00:27:40,316.5102041 --> 00:27:44,6.5102041 And the consequence was that, is that they had to work a full-time job. 476 00:27:44,426.5102041 --> 00:27:46,46.5102041 So you're working to be able to Four times. 477 00:27:46,76.5102041 --> 00:27:46,136.5102041 Yeah. 478 00:27:46,496.5102041 --> 00:27:48,536.5102041 So could you imagine, working eight till five. 479 00:27:48,926.5102041 --> 00:27:55,856.5102041 Then driving across Dallas to get to training and then training till seven, till 10, and doing that most nights you would be exhausted. 480 00:27:55,886.5102041 --> 00:27:56,936.5102041 So exhausted. 481 00:27:57,476.5102041 --> 00:28:03,56.5102041 And so that, that's, then they were earning $15 an hour, as we said, $500 a game. 482 00:28:03,206.5102041 --> 00:28:03,326.5102041 Mm-hmm. 483 00:28:03,566.5102041 --> 00:28:09,716.5102041 Now with this pay rise, they're earning $75 an hour and around $1,600 per game. 484 00:28:09,866.5102041 --> 00:28:14,306.5102041 So yes, in a ratio perspective, it is a huge increase. 485 00:28:14,651.5102041 --> 00:28:22,301.5102041 However, when you think about how much revenue they actually helped to generate, it's still not massive at all in the grand scheme of things. 486 00:28:22,361.5102041 --> 00:28:29,21.5102041 It's not a living wage where the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader can be their profession for that point in time. 487 00:28:29,21.5102041 --> 00:28:36,821.5102041 They're always gonna need to supplement it based on those rates and the value that they bring to the organization should be reflective of how much they're renumerated. 488 00:28:36,851.5102041 --> 00:28:39,941.5102041 And I still don't think like it's a great start, but it's not enough. 489 00:28:40,481.5102041 --> 00:28:40,811.5102041 No. 490 00:28:41,201.5102041 --> 00:28:48,311.5102041 So why do you think that this has gone global? I think the show humanized them quite a bit. 491 00:28:48,461.5102041 --> 00:28:52,631.5102041 But the other thing is, I think we are watching it and we're like, that's not it. 492 00:28:52,631.5102041 --> 00:28:58,811.5102041 Like how is it this dancer isn't able to pay her rent yet? There's people that are making millions. 493 00:28:58,811.5102041 --> 00:28:59,681.5102041 That's not fair. 494 00:28:59,711.5102041 --> 00:29:04,631.5102041 So I think a lot of people have said, hang on a minute, for what you expecting out of them for what benefit you're getting out of them. 495 00:29:04,871.5102041 --> 00:29:06,461.5102041 I would've thought it would be a lot higher. 496 00:29:06,461.5102041 --> 00:29:10,871.5102041 So I think it's making people say, we are not happy about these gender pay gaps. 497 00:29:10,871.5102041 --> 00:29:10,961.5102041 Mm-hmm. 498 00:29:11,426.5102041 --> 00:29:15,506.5102041 Particularly where you put the women in front and center, but they don't get the benefit of that. 499 00:29:15,506.5102041 --> 00:29:17,156.5102041 Yeah, and I think you bang on with that. 500 00:29:17,306.5102041 --> 00:29:19,16.5102041 It really does. 501 00:29:19,16.5102041 --> 00:29:37,466.5102041 It's just another example of the gender pay gap, especially in industries like sports where women are front and center, but the pay doesn't necessarily reflect that effect, but they pay that little because they're like there are so many more women that would more than happy to take your spot, and they'd probably do it for free. 502 00:29:37,466.5102041 --> 00:29:38,936.5102041 In fact, they'd probably pay to be here. 503 00:29:39,231.5102041 --> 00:29:50,181.5102041 Gab, I've worked in a job before that where they did not pay market rates, but their argument was, there are so many more girls that would just love to work at this organization. 504 00:29:50,451.5102041 --> 00:29:56,421.5102041 Therefore we don't need to pay market rates, or we supplement market rates, we employee benefits. 505 00:29:56,471.5102041 --> 00:29:58,391.5102041 Well, that's great and all, but that doesn't help me pay rent. 506 00:29:58,451.5102041 --> 00:29:59,891.5102041 And yeah, no it doesn't. 507 00:29:59,891.5102041 --> 00:30:03,521.5102041 But also I think about that and go, oh, anyone would love to be an A FL player. 508 00:30:03,866.5102041 --> 00:30:08,336.5102041 Only certain people are and they pay them, a lot of money, but it's a male in the afl. 509 00:30:08,336.5102041 --> 00:30:08,516.5102041 Correct. 510 00:30:08,516.5102041 --> 00:30:11,666.5102041 There's a lot of money and the Dallas Cowboys players get a lot of money. 511 00:30:11,906.5102041 --> 00:30:28,586.5102041 But you'd probably argue that with the rise of the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders, these women should be calling for the salaries that are similar if they are part of what's bringing people to these games, a part of driving the revenue that is keeping the games and the industry going, then. 512 00:30:28,976.5102041 --> 00:30:31,466.5102041 Yeah, I think they should be paid more. 513 00:30:31,676.5102041 --> 00:30:39,156.5102041 But not only that, they are part of this is their These women are cheerleading every single game for hours. 514 00:30:39,206.5102041 --> 00:30:41,186.5102041 Check out America's Sweetheart on Netflix. 515 00:30:41,186.5102041 --> 00:30:42,686.5102041 It's two seasons, and tell us what you think. 516 00:30:42,986.5102041 --> 00:30:52,136.5102041 Does this feel like real progress or is it just a PR patch up? We'll pop some links in the show notes and you can be the judge for yourself on the salary breakdowns. 517 00:30:53,198.5102041 --> 00:31:02,318.5102041 Okay, it's officially July, which means that it's that time of year when Aussies everywhere, it's tough to think about the tax returns and probably start stressing about it too. 518 00:31:02,918.5102041 --> 00:31:10,388.5102041 But what we thought is we'd spend some time in this app to help relax your bit and give you a bit of a guide and a quick 1 0 1. 519 00:31:11,498.5102041 --> 00:31:11,738.5102041 Yeah. 520 00:31:11,918.5102041 --> 00:31:14,858.5102041 So first up, do not panic if you're lodging your return yourself. 521 00:31:15,98.5102041 --> 00:31:19,268.5102041 You technically can do it right now, but most people wait until late July. 522 00:31:19,733.5102041 --> 00:31:30,753.5102041 Early August so that the a TO has the opportunity to pre-fill all the information from your employer, your bank, your health fund, less hassle, fewer mistakes, and you don't wanna submit a misinformation, Exactly. 523 00:31:31,23.5102041 --> 00:31:33,543.5102041 So you can lodge through myGov for free. 524 00:31:33,843.5102041 --> 00:31:41,13.5102041 Or if the idea of trying to work it out yourself is a bit overwhelming, gives you a bit of a headache, you can also get an a, a tax accountant to help you. 525 00:31:41,583.5102041 --> 00:31:47,73.5102041 Just make sure that you are on their books by the 31st of October, because that is a deadline for self lodgers as well. 526 00:31:47,193.5102041 --> 00:31:49,953.5102041 Yeah, I generally do leave mine to the last minute. 527 00:31:49,983.5102041 --> 00:31:52,833.5102041 I am a bit of a procrastinator when it comes to doing my tax return. 528 00:31:53,73.5102041 --> 00:31:56,373.5102041 The one thing I will say is my gov has come a long way. 529 00:31:56,428.5102041 --> 00:31:57,988.5102041 It's very easy these days. 530 00:31:58,18.5102041 --> 00:31:59,158.5102041 It wasn't back in the day. 531 00:31:59,158.5102041 --> 00:31:59,278.5102041 No. 532 00:31:59,278.5102041 --> 00:32:03,298.5102041 It used to be a paper form and then it really complicated and it was its own software. 533 00:32:03,748.5102041 --> 00:32:05,578.5102041 It actually is very straightforward. 534 00:32:05,968.5102041 --> 00:32:12,478.5102041 I think once you understand how it works, you have a template for the following year, of course you need to adjust. 535 00:32:12,478.5102041 --> 00:32:15,158.5102041 But it is quite easy to, maneuver. 536 00:32:15,248.5102041 --> 00:32:21,808.5102041 I mean it your income and then it calculate the impact of your income against your deductions or any losses. 537 00:32:21,808.5102041 --> 00:32:21,988.5102041 Yeah. 538 00:32:21,988.5102041 --> 00:32:23,98.5102041 Or any other considerations. 539 00:32:23,98.5102041 --> 00:32:25,948.5102041 And that's the thing, a lot of stuff automatically flows through in there now. 540 00:32:26,38.5102041 --> 00:32:26,998.5102041 It used to be all manual. 541 00:32:27,118.5102041 --> 00:32:27,868.5102041 Yeah, exactly. 542 00:32:29,128.5102041 --> 00:32:31,768.5102041 So we've put together a bit of a quick list to get you on track. 543 00:32:31,768.5102041 --> 00:32:39,268.5102041 So when it comes to expensing things and what you can actually claim, we wanna be real People. 544 00:32:39,268.5102041 --> 00:32:47,608.5102041 Suddenly remember that one time they used their car for work or bought a laptop case and think, okay, can I have this or not? So on the list, we've made it really clear. 545 00:32:48,358.5102041 --> 00:32:54,448.5102041 So if it's directly related to your work and you pay for it and not your employer, you can probably claim it. 546 00:32:55,918.5102041 --> 00:32:57,778.5102041 Home office costs if you work from home. 547 00:32:57,778.5102041 --> 00:32:58,618.5102041 Tools, protective. 548 00:32:58,648.5102041 --> 00:32:59,8.5102041 Yeah. 549 00:32:59,138.5102041 --> 00:33:01,688.5102041 Union fees, even work related courses. 550 00:33:02,198.5102041 --> 00:33:10,88.5102041 And if you use your car for work and when I'm talking actually for, work related meetings and not about your commute to work, you could claim that too. 551 00:33:10,388.5102041 --> 00:33:11,168.5102041 Yeah, there's quite a bit. 552 00:33:11,168.5102041 --> 00:33:17,48.5102041 You can, and there's really good articles on the a TO on what you can claim can't claim and how to calculate it. 553 00:33:17,48.5102041 --> 00:33:18,158.5102041 Like working from home. 554 00:33:18,428.5102041 --> 00:33:20,978.5102041 There's a few different methods for how you can do it. 555 00:33:21,338.5102041 --> 00:33:25,538.5102041 It explains through what they are and you can pick which one you wanna claim or not. 556 00:33:25,778.5102041 --> 00:33:28,663.5102041 And if you're ever in doubt, you can actually call the A TO. 557 00:33:28,778.5102041 --> 00:33:29,858.5102041 And they're so nice. 558 00:33:29,858.5102041 --> 00:33:33,938.5102041 They are so helpful and they can help explain whether it would be claimable or not. 559 00:33:34,88.5102041 --> 00:33:35,738.5102041 Yeah, they were super nice when they ordered me. 560 00:33:35,948.5102041 --> 00:33:36,848.5102041 Oh, you got audited? Yeah. 561 00:33:36,853.5102041 --> 00:33:42,158.5102041 So was it scary? I was scared, but now that I think about it, they were actually quite helpful and nice. 562 00:33:42,668.5102041 --> 00:33:45,258.5102041 Yeah, it and I'm not a ologist for the record. 563 00:33:45,258.5102041 --> 00:33:46,248.5102041 Everyone you passed? Yeah, I passed. 564 00:33:46,308.5102041 --> 00:33:46,848.5102041 It was fine. 565 00:33:46,878.5102041 --> 00:33:47,748.5102041 It was completely fine. 566 00:33:47,778.5102041 --> 00:33:48,678.5102041 But yeah, they were helpful. 567 00:33:48,678.5102041 --> 00:33:49,578.5102041 So don't be stressed too much. 568 00:33:50,163.5102041 --> 00:34:01,203.5102041 Another thing to mention as well, if you are a good Samaritan and you do donate to registered charities, you can or have professional memberships and that kind of thing, you can claim that back as well. 569 00:34:01,203.5102041 --> 00:34:03,483.5102041 But I guess bottom line is it is important. 570 00:34:03,483.5102041 --> 00:34:06,843.5102041 To be honest, the a TO does audit, I can tell you myself, they've audited me. 571 00:34:06,963.5102041 --> 00:34:09,123.5102041 So just keep your receipt. 572 00:34:09,783.5102041 --> 00:34:12,843.5102041 They also have some really sophisticated data matching tools. 573 00:34:12,843.5102041 --> 00:34:17,943.5102041 So if you don't declare interest from your bank or you've got a dodgy investment property. 574 00:34:18,318.5102041 --> 00:34:20,778.5102041 That you have not disclosed, they will know. 575 00:34:21,888.5102041 --> 00:34:22,338.5102041 There you go. 576 00:34:23,28.5102041 --> 00:34:26,208.5102041 So bottom line is if you're in doubt, check the A to websites. 577 00:34:26,208.5102041 --> 00:34:27,138.5102041 You said it's quite helpful. 578 00:34:27,168.5102041 --> 00:34:32,358.5102041 There's a lot of resources on there or your tax accountant and don't feel pressured to rush it. 579 00:34:32,568.5102041 --> 00:34:36,18.5102041 We've got until the end of October though, better to get it right. 580 00:34:36,18.5102041 --> 00:34:39,468.5102041 That end up with a letter in the mail that you don't want from the tax office. 581 00:34:39,528.5102041 --> 00:34:44,908.5102041 I'm hearing a warning, Gavin, but I'm absolutely gonna leave this until the 28th of October and be like, oh, I've gotta do that. 582 00:34:45,358.5102041 --> 00:34:46,108.5102041 No, you will. 583 00:34:48,758.5102041 --> 00:34:51,68.5102041 A quick legal note before we dive in. 584 00:34:51,278.5102041 --> 00:34:53,978.5102041 Erin Patterson's trial is still underway in Victoria. 585 00:34:54,128.5102041 --> 00:34:57,668.5102041 She has pleaded not guilty and remains presumed innocent. 586 00:34:57,878.5102041 --> 00:35:01,328.5102041 We're only summarizing evidence heard in open court and reputable news. 587 00:35:01,508.5102041 --> 00:35:07,298.5102041 This is commentary, not news, facts or verdict, calling if you're a juror, witness or otherwise involved in the case. 588 00:35:07,358.5102041 --> 00:35:10,298.5102041 Please stop listening now and return after the trial ends. 589 00:35:12,52.5011338 --> 00:35:19,972.5011338 After the last sip of coffee on a Saturday afternoon, three people dead. 590 00:35:20,572.5011338 --> 00:35:24,802.5011338 One more clinging to life from the fatal mushrooms. 591 00:35:25,282.5011338 --> 00:35:32,837.5011338 At the beef Wellington Mu, we bring you the death diaries. 592 00:35:37,2.5011338 --> 00:35:37,737.5011338 It might be the second. 593 00:35:37,737.5011338 --> 00:35:39,87.5011338 Last time we do death, Aries. 594 00:35:39,87.5011338 --> 00:35:40,47.5011338 I was just thinking. 595 00:35:40,347.5011338 --> 00:35:40,887.5011338 Yeah, it is. 596 00:35:40,947.5011338 --> 00:35:41,517.5011338 I think so. 597 00:35:41,547.5011338 --> 00:35:42,267.5011338 It depends how long. 598 00:35:42,367.5011338 --> 00:35:49,117.5011338 Realistically, how long can a jury be thinking about this for, the limit doesn't exist. 599 00:35:49,117.5011338 --> 00:35:49,657.5011338 It doesn't exist. 600 00:35:49,657.5011338 --> 00:35:50,827.5011338 They can go as long as they need to. 601 00:35:51,127.5011338 --> 00:35:56,977.5011338 At some point the judge might be like, Hey, how's going? Yeah, They started deliberating Monday lunchtime. 602 00:35:57,27.5011338 --> 00:35:58,617.5011338 They've had full two full days. 603 00:35:58,617.5011338 --> 00:36:03,597.5011338 I was a little bit nervous gab that they might do a verdict today and be, oh my God, we're not organized for this, for so hang on. 604 00:36:03,597.5011338 --> 00:36:05,787.5011338 How many days has it been so far? So it's been two and a half. 605 00:36:06,627.5011338 --> 00:36:09,417.5011338 So they've had two nights of jury camp. 606 00:36:09,657.5011338 --> 00:36:09,957.5011338 Okay. 607 00:36:10,497.5011338 --> 00:36:17,667.5011338 And I have learned about what they're doing in jury camp and I thought it was gonna be like the TV show. 608 00:36:17,997.5011338 --> 00:36:22,347.5011338 Jury camp on Amazon where they're like going out for dinner together? They hang out? No. 609 00:36:22,737.5011338 --> 00:36:27,957.5011338 What do they do? It's do strict, so they have jury minders, which are like clerks of the judge. 610 00:36:27,957.5011338 --> 00:36:28,17.5011338 Yeah. 611 00:36:28,17.5011338 --> 00:36:35,217.5011338 And then also personnel from Jury Victoria staff that manage the jury appointment and paneling process. 612 00:36:35,847.5011338 --> 00:36:42,477.5011338 And basically when the jury are not deliberating, they're like segregated in their motel rooms. 613 00:36:43,137.5011338 --> 00:36:45,267.5011338 They can't watch free to air tv. 614 00:36:45,357.5011338 --> 00:36:46,767.5011338 Oh, they can't have their phones. 615 00:36:46,767.5011338 --> 00:36:48,267.5011338 They can't have any tablets or devices. 616 00:36:48,267.5011338 --> 00:36:50,577.5011338 What do they have? DVDs? I have no idea. 617 00:36:50,577.5011338 --> 00:36:50,997.5011338 Nothing. 618 00:36:52,107.5011338 --> 00:36:52,527.5011338 I'm not sure. 619 00:36:52,527.5011338 --> 00:37:01,257.5011338 I imagine they're pro that something and then they've got books and if they wanna talk to their family, they have to be supervised and go via the jury minders. 620 00:37:01,647.5011338 --> 00:37:03,267.5011338 And they can only be all. 621 00:37:03,357.5011338 --> 00:37:06,297.5011338 They can only be if they're like all together. 622 00:37:06,627.5011338 --> 00:37:06,897.5011338 Yeah. 623 00:37:06,897.5011338 --> 00:37:07,407.5011338 Okay. 624 00:37:07,747.5011338 --> 00:37:10,627.5011338 Then what are they alone with? Their thoughts? Yes. 625 00:37:10,847.5011338 --> 00:37:14,777.5011338 Would you enjoy that? I mean, they've got a lot to consider., 626 00:37:15,147.5011338 --> 00:37:16,677.5011338 I've said this before, I'm so jealous of them. 627 00:37:16,737.5011338 --> 00:37:19,287.5011338 I wish I was a jury member Being sequential. 628 00:37:19,287.5011338 --> 00:37:22,47.5011338 Like this would be like a once in a lifetime. 629 00:37:22,227.5011338 --> 00:37:22,317.5011338 Yeah. 630 00:37:22,317.5011338 --> 00:37:25,557.5011338 I've heard of so many people that get the call up and it's never me. 631 00:37:25,767.5011338 --> 00:37:31,27.5011338 When will it be me? But what we did wanna touch on is, so now that there's nothing really we can do, but wait right now. 632 00:37:31,417.5011338 --> 00:37:40,417.5011338 But I am curious to talk about when they are there alone in their thoughts, is that psychology behind their judgment. 633 00:37:40,567.5011338 --> 00:37:40,657.5011338 Mm-hmm. 634 00:37:41,47.5011338 --> 00:37:45,37.5011338 And the jury aren't just really sifting through the facts. 635 00:37:45,157.5011338 --> 00:37:53,857.5011338 They have to separate that emotional reaction from the legal reasoning, which is not an easy thing to do, especially in a case like this. 636 00:37:54,607.5011338 --> 00:37:55,927.5011338 That would be so hard. 637 00:37:58,837.5011338 --> 00:38:00,547.5011338 The judge warned them as well. 638 00:38:00,597.5011338 --> 00:38:00,957.5011338 Yeah. 639 00:38:00,987.5011338 --> 00:38:07,47.5011338 The judge said to them to not let any potential lies or inconsistency automatically equal guilt. 640 00:38:07,377.5011338 --> 00:38:08,127.5011338 People panic. 641 00:38:08,547.5011338 --> 00:38:10,167.5011338 People lie out of fear or shame. 642 00:38:10,467.5011338 --> 00:38:20,607.5011338 It doesn't always mean the guilt of a crime, but it also said that you can ch decide if the lies parceled up. 643 00:38:21,972.5011338 --> 00:38:25,452.5011338 Support the evidence presented by the prosecutor. 644 00:38:26,82.5011338 --> 00:38:32,892.5011338 And at the same time as that, they're human bias, emotion, gut instinct, it still will play a part. 645 00:38:33,492.5011338 --> 00:38:44,452.5011338 And the big challenge really is can they actually stick to what's proven beyond reasonable doubt and not what feels morally right or wrong? It's really hard because it's subjective. 646 00:38:44,932.5011338 --> 00:38:45,862.5011338 It is very subjective. 647 00:38:45,862.5011338 --> 00:38:50,272.5011338 What would beyond reasonable doubt, to me, may not be beyond reasonable doubt to you. 648 00:38:50,422.5011338 --> 00:38:50,872.5011338 That's the thing. 649 00:38:50,872.5011338 --> 00:38:51,802.5011338 It's all relative. 650 00:38:51,982.5011338 --> 00:38:52,282.5011338 Yeah. 651 00:38:52,282.5011338 --> 00:39:10,412.5011338 To your morals and ethics and there'd be an element of you putting yourself in her shoes and being like, based on the evidence, would I have responded the same or what would I have done? It's also seen been really interesting in how the public and the media frame this, because the cases had wall to wall coverage. 652 00:39:10,562.5011338 --> 00:39:10,772.5011338 It. 653 00:39:12,722.5011338 --> 00:39:24,32.5011338 We've seen this kind of interest in cases in the us like I'll name one that recently occurred, which is Karen Reed, a woman that was ac accused of attempt of murdering her boyfriend in Boston, Massachusetts. 654 00:39:24,272.5011338 --> 00:39:32,472.5011338 That was huge, but we don't have that kind of engagement in Australia where you have multiple news, channel covering it. 655 00:39:32,472.5011338 --> 00:39:33,432.5011338 You've got podcasts? Yes. 656 00:39:33,837.5011338 --> 00:39:34,637.5011338 Multiple documentaries. 657 00:39:35,382.5011338 --> 00:39:38,802.5011338 It's a real fascination trying to read Erin's intentions. 658 00:39:39,42.5011338 --> 00:39:52,182.5011338 Was this a tragic accident or was it something darker? Yeah, and I think what really makes this such a delicate moment is that we all have these opinions and we are all so invested. 659 00:39:52,187.5011338 --> 00:39:53,987.5011338 This is blown up everywhere. 660 00:39:54,107.5011338 --> 00:39:54,497.5011338 Mm. 661 00:39:54,527.5011338 --> 00:39:56,957.5011338 But it's now up to 12 people. 662 00:39:57,497.5011338 --> 00:40:02,597.5011338 To navigate the facts, the law and biases, and they're gonna come to ultimately to that verdict. 663 00:40:02,897.5011338 --> 00:40:03,197.5011338 Yeah. 664 00:40:03,557.5011338 --> 00:40:13,397.5011338 So we'll keep an eye on this and we are so excited for Death Gap Diaries, the final course which we will be preparing as soon as we have a verdict. 665 00:40:13,457.5011338 --> 00:40:14,387.5011338 Yes, we will. 666 00:40:14,387.5011338 --> 00:40:19,277.5011338 So please stay tuned because we'll bring you that next chapter as it unfolds. 667 00:40:19,367.5011338 --> 00:40:21,287.5011338 But just to manage expectations. 668 00:40:21,932.5011338 --> 00:40:22,862.5011338 Don't read, you can't. 669 00:40:22,922.5011338 --> 00:40:28,442.5011338 They've done studies that there's no correlation between the amount of time deliberated versus the outcome. 670 00:40:28,772.5011338 --> 00:40:29,402.5011338 Oh, true. 671 00:40:29,492.5011338 --> 00:40:35,532.5011338 So it could be that the jury's just slowly moving through the evidence and they're taking a method, really meticulous approach. 672 00:40:35,862.5011338 --> 00:40:39,612.5011338 It could be that they've decided some, but charges are not others. 673 00:40:40,32.5011338 --> 00:40:44,982.5011338 And it also could be that they just cannot make a decision, but they don't feel like they can't not make a decision. 674 00:40:45,582.5011338 --> 00:40:50,412.5011338 That's really true regardless of what it is, it's just increasing that anticipation. 675 00:40:50,412.5011338 --> 00:40:50,472.5011338 Yeah. 676 00:40:50,712.5011338 --> 00:41:00,342.5011338 The last thing I'm gonna say, gab, is I misspoke in last week's episode and I said that it had to be a, it could be a majority verdict if they couldn't reach a decision. 677 00:41:00,342.5011338 --> 00:41:02,642.5011338 So it could be it could be one to two people, could be. 678 00:41:03,242.5011338 --> 00:41:04,532.5011338 Differing to the majority. 679 00:41:04,532.5011338 --> 00:41:12,392.5011338 So the, so out of the 12 you could have 10, 10 agree to not, and that would be acceptable, but that is not permissible in the state of Victoria. 680 00:41:12,632.5011338 --> 00:41:13,142.5011338 Oh. 681 00:41:13,142.5011338 --> 00:41:15,272.5011338 So it has to be all, it has to be unanimous. 682 00:41:15,452.5011338 --> 00:41:15,812.5011338 Okay. 683 00:41:15,842.5011338 --> 00:41:16,112.5011338 Yeah. 684 00:41:16,622.5011338 --> 00:41:17,732.5011338 Thank you for clarifying that. 685 00:41:18,332.5011338 --> 00:41:18,512.5011338 Yeah. 686 00:41:19,772.5011338 --> 00:41:22,742.5011338 Gab, I think that's a wrap on this week's episode of Spin Cycle. 687 00:41:22,742.5011338 --> 00:41:23,552.5011338 We've covered a lot. 688 00:41:23,552.5011338 --> 00:41:26,672.5011338 We've got potentially PR pay rises. 689 00:41:27,2.5011338 --> 00:41:30,812.5011338 A wild story of a pregnant wife discovering her husband's double life. 690 00:41:31,112.5011338 --> 00:41:34,142.5011338 Tip for tax time as well as the wedding of the year. 691 00:41:34,952.5011338 --> 00:41:38,612.5011338 If you've enjoyed the episode, don't forget to rate, review, and share with a friend. 692 00:41:38,882.5011338 --> 00:41:41,612.5011338 We really appreciate it and it helps us get to more listeners. 693 00:41:42,32.5011338 --> 00:41:44,852.5011338 We'll be back next week with more stories and plenty of fresh takes. 694 00:41:45,2.5011338 --> 00:41:46,532.5011338 Thanks for listening and we'll see you next time. 695 00:41:46,682.5011338 --> 00:41:47,102.5011338 Bye-bye.