Elon & Trump Break Up, Bouf Haircare Backlash, Taylor Reclaims Her Masters, Justin Baldoni/Blake Lively’s Legal Twist & Erin Patterson Testifie

 

This week on Spin Cycle, we unpack five stories making headlines—and raising eyebrows.

• Elon Musk vs. Donald Trump: The bromance is officially over. From EV subsidy cuts to Epstein accusations and Tesla’s $150B market hit, we break down the messy breakup, the Musk meltdown, and what it means for the White House, Tesla, and Musk's political dreams.

• Death Cap Diaries – Erin Patterson Takes the Stand: In a move no one expected, Erin Patterson testifies in her murder trial. We go day-by-day through her dramatic appearance in the witness box—her admissions about the mushrooms, her lies under pressure, her strained family ties, and the bombshell photo allegedly showing death caps in her dehydrator. What’s strategy, what’s desperation, and why this trial’s nowhere near done.

• Blake Lively vs. Justin Baldoni – A Legal Strategy Shift: Blake Lively has dropped two emotional distress claims from her lawsuit against Justin Baldoni—but why? We unpack the battle over therapy records, her public image fallout, and how Baldoni’s information war may be shifting public sentiment. Plus: the Taylor Swift connection, director’s cut conspiracy theories, and the fan theory that Lively’s version of It Ends With Us might never have stood a chance.

• Taylor Swift Buys Back Her Masters: Taylornomics in action. We break down how Swift turned the tables on Scooter Braun, weaponised her fanbase, re-recorded her catalogue, and ended up buying back her original masters—possibly at a discount. It’s a once-in-a-generation play that changed the music industry (and got the rules rewritten to stop anyone from doing it again).

• Indy Clinton’s Bouf Haircare Controversy: Influencer marketing gone rogue? Gab breaks down the backlash facing Bouf Haircare and Indy Clinton over misleading advertising, wigs-as-‘art’, and the ethics of selling hair growth dreams to vulnerable customers.

• What We’re Into This Week: Gab wins a partial refund from HelloFresh (we’ll take it), and Claire is glued to Billionaire’s Playground—the Aussie luxe holiday docuseries with concierge meltdowns, caviar critiques, and $1000 dog day visits.

🎧 Whether you’re here for influencer drama, media spin, or billionaires behaving badly—this episode delivers.

Disclaimer: Erin Patterson has pleaded not guilty and remains presumed innocent. All commentary is based on publicly available court reporting and is not intended as fact or verdict.

Episode Transcript

(00:01):
Scab.
Yes.
You know when you have that moment of absolute scatterbrain where you don't really know, like you do things like you forget your phones in your hand, or oh, I do this all the time.
Yeah.
I had a really bad moment of scatterbrain this week.
What happened? I've just had a really busy week with work and I was really tired and.

(00:22):
I went to go get a coffee at the local cafe where I go to whenever I work from home And I have my Cape Cup, which is this like lime green or mint green, Frank Green Cape Cup, which I take with me anyway, grab it, get on a lift, go down, get outside, walk to the cafe, walk inside and walk up to the register to pay.

(00:47):
And I look down and I'm staring at.
Something in my hand and I'm like, something doesn't look quite right.
What? What was that? I took my Bluetooth speaker with me.
Instead of my They look the same.
What? Yeah.
You're gonna have to show me a photo.
Yeah.
So anyway, I, this is like your should have gone to spec safe's moment.

(01:10):
The worst thing was is I looked at it for a good five seconds to be like, what is wrong? What is you knew it was the speaker or you were sort of like, why am I holding this? Or like just like.
You are not my coffee cup.
Did they notice? Oh yeah.
Quite.
They were just a bit like, oh.
And I was like, I'll, I'll be back.

(01:32):
So I just went back and got my capec and came back and got my coffee.
Oh, that is hilarious.
I don't even know how I did it.
You hadn't had your coffee it, yeah.
So anyway, that's what happens when it gets scatter brain.
You do things like that.
You are funny. 29 00:01:51,166.66666667 --> 00:02:06,16.66666667 Coming up this week on Spin Cycle, we are diving into influencer fallout, courtroom showdowns and tech billionaires behaving badly from Blake Lively, dropping emotional distress claims to Elon Musk rage quitting the White House, plus leaked out Booth haircare scandal. 30 00:02:06,16.66666667 --> 00:02:08,326.66666667 And Taylor Swift buying back her masters again. 31 00:02:08,566.66666667 --> 00:02:13,816.66666667 And yes, Erin Patterson took the stand and we break it down for you in this week's edition of Death Cat Diaries. 32 00:02:28,938.6355248 --> 00:02:34,908.6355248 Welcome to Spin Cycle, where we dig into the stories shaping the world and take a closer look at the patterns, power plays. 33 00:02:34,908.6355248 --> 00:02:42,618.6355248 And yes, the biases hiding in plain sight where Gab and Claire, two friends with MBAs, A lot of opinions and a healthy amount of skepticism. 34 00:02:42,918.6355248 --> 00:02:45,918.6355248 We are here to help you think twice and maybe have a few laughs. 35 00:02:46,218.6355248 --> 00:02:47,73.6355248 Let's get spinning. 36 00:02:47,314.14572888 --> 00:02:54,29.14572888 Gab, what's top of mind for you this week? Random one for me, but I thought I was being cost savvy this week. 37 00:02:54,34.14572888 --> 00:02:54,304.14572888 Mm-hmm. 38 00:02:54,329.14572888 --> 00:02:55,949.14572888 And I was like, well, sorry. 39 00:02:56,9.14572888 --> 00:02:57,59.14572888 Last week. 40 00:02:57,419.14572888 --> 00:03:01,629.14572888 And I had those notes in the mail to get your free first box of HelloFresh. 41 00:03:01,954.14572888 --> 00:03:02,174.14572888 Yes. 42 00:03:02,179.14572888 --> 00:03:02,439.14572888 Yes. 43 00:03:02,649.14572888 --> 00:03:04,899.14572888 So anyway, did it last week? Great. 44 00:03:05,199.14572888 --> 00:03:07,629.14572888 This week I had it in my mind. 45 00:03:07,629.14572888 --> 00:03:09,159.14572888 You need to skip it if you don't wanna use it. 46 00:03:09,204.14572888 --> 00:03:09,604.14572888 Mm-hmm. 47 00:03:10,374.14572888 --> 00:03:16,494.14572888 Then anywho, I check my bank account Wednesday morning and I've been charged like a ridiculous amount. 48 00:03:16,494.14572888 --> 00:03:22,614.14572888 I'm like, oh no, it's the HelloFresh because you've got the cutoff time for the thing you just made. 49 00:03:23,94.14572888 --> 00:03:29,624.14572888 Do you even get to pick your recipes? No, and that's the, like this, what I wanna talk about is I feel like it was a make or break moment. 50 00:03:29,624.14572888 --> 00:03:37,124.14572888 'cause I looked at the recipes and it was like three recipes that they chose for me, and they were the most random recipes. 51 00:03:37,124.14572888 --> 00:03:38,564.14572888 I'm like, surely you'd pick the most. 52 00:03:39,89.14572888 --> 00:03:41,519.14572888 Common ones, like when something like this happens. 53 00:03:41,879.14572888 --> 00:03:43,799.14572888 Anyway, I was like, okay, fine, I'll deal with it. 54 00:03:43,799.14572888 --> 00:03:48,119.14572888 I'll have this random dish a burger. 55 00:03:48,149.14572888 --> 00:03:49,919.14572888 These are supposed to be my lunches for work. 56 00:03:49,949.14572888 --> 00:03:50,819.14572888 That's what I've been using it for. 57 00:03:50,819.14572888 --> 00:03:52,469.14572888 I'm like, I'm not gonna bring a burger to work. 58 00:03:52,469.14572888 --> 00:03:55,4.14572888 And I can't remember what the other one was, but I'm like, okay, cool. 59 00:03:55,4.14572888 --> 00:03:56,114.14572888 Fine, I can deal with it. 60 00:03:56,564.14572888 --> 00:04:00,314.14572888 Then I'm like, okay, so when's it arriving? Saturday morning. 61 00:04:01,4.14572888 --> 00:04:02,144.14572888 I'm not gonna be around this weekend. 62 00:04:02,444.14572888 --> 00:04:03,749.14572888 Oh no, G. 63 00:04:03,849.14572888 --> 00:04:12,914.14572888 So I'm like, okay, I've got these recipes that I didn't want and I can't even receive them, and I'm gonna be wait till Monday. 64 00:04:13,334.14572888 --> 00:04:19,9.14572888 So what am I gonna do? Any who? This is a shout out to HelloFresh because I just called them. 65 00:04:19,489.14572888 --> 00:04:21,889.14572888 I explained my situation like I'm not gonna be there. 66 00:04:21,889.14572888 --> 00:04:22,549.14572888 I am sorry. 67 00:04:22,939.14572888 --> 00:04:29,149.14572888 Any who Eventually, after waiting on hold for quite a long period of time and going through the rounds I managed to. 68 00:04:29,969.14572888 --> 00:04:32,69.14572888 I didn't get a refund, but you got a credit. 69 00:04:32,69.14572888 --> 00:04:32,669.14572888 I got a credit. 70 00:04:32,819.14572888 --> 00:04:32,999.14572888 Okay. 71 00:04:32,999.14572888 --> 00:04:33,569.14572888 So it's something. 72 00:04:33,749.14572888 --> 00:04:39,349.14572888 So now I've put a reminder in my diary, which is like the night of the cutoff is and it's in capital letters. 73 00:04:39,349.14572888 --> 00:04:40,9.14572888 It's so aggressive. 74 00:04:40,9.14572888 --> 00:04:43,329.14572888 It's cancel, do not forget, cancel or choose recipe. 75 00:04:43,359.14572888 --> 00:04:44,649.14572888 So it's how they get you. 76 00:04:44,709.14572888 --> 00:04:45,549.14572888 It's the business model. 77 00:04:45,549.14572888 --> 00:04:46,509.14572888 It's how they get you. 78 00:04:46,999.14572888 --> 00:04:51,289.14572888 And what about you? What's been on your mind, top of mind? So I've been watching this new show. 79 00:04:51,379.14572888 --> 00:04:54,529.14572888 It's on Foxtail, but I imagine it would be on binge and it's called. 80 00:04:55,69.14572888 --> 00:04:57,829.14572888 Billionaires playground and it is so good. 81 00:04:57,829.14572888 --> 00:05:00,679.14572888 It's like below deck on land. 82 00:05:00,739.14572888 --> 00:05:02,959.14572888 But Australian is it like Big Brother. 83 00:05:03,109.14572888 --> 00:05:11,969.14572888 What is this? This company where they do like luxury holidays and you have a full concierge team, butlers, chefs, housekeeping. 84 00:05:13,564.14572888 --> 00:05:13,784.14572888 Wow. 85 00:05:14,39.14572888 --> 00:05:18,479.14572888 And they hire out these like luxury houses and then plan your. 86 00:05:19,94.14572888 --> 00:05:21,644.14572888 Holiday and it's insane. 87 00:05:21,704.14572888 --> 00:05:32,804.14572888 And like the first guests that came through were just, this is what I imagine billionaires would be like, or people that aspire to think they're richer than what they are. 88 00:05:32,834.14572888 --> 00:05:33,519.14572888 Hang on, hang on, hang on. 89 00:05:33,554.14572888 --> 00:05:39,74.14572888 So they do all, they say plan what? The holiday of all these random billionaires that they're bringing together on this holiday. 90 00:05:39,569.14572888 --> 00:05:44,99.14572888 So this was like a group of women in the first episode and the next one was this like ex-army guy. 91 00:05:44,249.14572888 --> 00:05:46,559.14572888 So they force these people PeopleNet on go together? No, not force. 92 00:05:46,559.14572888 --> 00:05:50,579.14572888 Like these people hire like the holiday and they just agree to be filmed like they do on Below Deck. 93 00:05:51,449.14572888 --> 00:05:51,479.14572888 Oh. 94 00:05:51,479.14572888 --> 00:05:56,369.14572888 Where they like, they're charted the boat and they get a slight discount for allowing below deck to film. 95 00:05:56,369.14572888 --> 00:06:03,404.14572888 And quite often they're just excited to be five seconds of fame and, well this is fascinating 'cause obviously if you're a billionaire, you don't need the money. 96 00:06:03,434.14572888 --> 00:06:10,664.14572888 Why would they do this? The board? No, I suspect it's people that don't have money and they like to outwardly project. 97 00:06:10,964.14572888 --> 00:06:11,534.14572888 Oh yeah. 98 00:06:11,594.14572888 --> 00:06:12,374.14572888 It felt like that. 99 00:06:12,374.14572888 --> 00:06:14,924.14572888 Like these women were like caviar. 100 00:06:14,974.14572888 --> 00:06:20,494.14572888 This lady was like going on about how, new grape wines need to be, a certain degree of temperature. 101 00:06:20,494.14572888 --> 00:06:22,234.14572888 And the guy's like, it's been in the fridge for three days. 102 00:06:22,234.14572888 --> 00:06:26,464.14572888 Like, what do you want from me lady? Oh, oh, okay. 103 00:06:26,464.14572888 --> 00:06:26,824.14572888 No, sorry. 104 00:06:26,884.14572888 --> 00:06:27,484.14572888 This is the next bit. 105 00:06:27,514.14572888 --> 00:06:28,24.14572888 Yeah. 106 00:06:28,54.14572888 --> 00:06:32,104.14572888 This one lady brings the lead concierge aside and was like, I've got feedback for you. 107 00:06:32,104.14572888 --> 00:06:32,974.14572888 And she's okay, bring it. 108 00:06:32,974.14572888 --> 00:06:34,354.14572888 And thinking it's gonna be quite bad. 109 00:06:34,654.14572888 --> 00:06:37,724.14572888 Her feedback was, it's quite inconvenient. 110 00:06:37,724.14572888 --> 00:06:42,284.14572888 The bin in the bathroom is just not in the most optimum. 111 00:06:42,779.14572888 --> 00:06:44,789.14572888 Location for using the bin. 112 00:06:44,819.14572888 --> 00:06:46,979.14572888 And it's quite inconvenient for me. 113 00:06:47,549.14572888 --> 00:06:50,939.14572888 And you could just see this woman be like, okay, yep. 114 00:06:50,969.14572888 --> 00:06:52,289.14572888 That, that's absolutely fair. 115 00:06:52,339.14572888 --> 00:07:00,619.14572888 I just wonder if anything actually real went wrong, how much she would escalate it if that's her reaction to the way the bin is, and surely she can move it herself. 116 00:07:01,339.14572888 --> 00:07:01,969.14572888 I have no idea. 117 00:07:01,969.14572888 --> 00:07:04,369.14572888 And then this lady dropped in for the day with her dog and they. 118 00:07:04,814.14572888 --> 00:07:07,244.14572888 Very stressed that they do not allow dogs in the property. 119 00:07:07,694.14572888 --> 00:07:11,234.14572888 And they call like the owners of the property and the owners were like, no dogs. 120 00:07:11,564.14572888 --> 00:07:20,24.14572888 And then they're like, okay, well if she agrees to pay a thousand dollars for us to deep clean the carpet and the dog's not allowed on the furniture, we'll allow it. 121 00:07:20,324.14572888 --> 00:07:22,124.14572888 And they go up to the lady and they're like, you gotta pay a thousand bucks. 122 00:07:22,124.14572888 --> 00:07:25,534.14572888 And she's like, that's a fair, fair cost to have my dog. 123 00:07:26,164.14572888 --> 00:07:27,514.14572888 Just to pop in for the day. 124 00:07:27,514.14572888 --> 00:07:29,314.14572888 A thousand dollars cost just straight up. 125 00:07:29,614.14572888 --> 00:07:32,644.14572888 So it's either someone who has no money or someone who's just. 126 00:07:33,114.14572888 --> 00:07:34,464.14572888 Infinitely wealthy. 127 00:07:35,304.14572888 --> 00:07:45,984.14572888 But why? One thing with that is if the whole thing is that they're billionaires, are they, do they have, is that the prerequisite or you're saying No, they could be a billionaire there, or, I don't know. 128 00:07:45,984.14572888 --> 00:07:48,504.14572888 It's just the show's called, I don't know how Rich she's, anyway, all right. 129 00:07:48,504.14572888 --> 00:07:49,284.14572888 I'm gonna watch her. 130 00:07:49,464.14572888 --> 00:07:49,854.14572888 I don't know. 131 00:07:49,854.14572888 --> 00:07:53,364.14572888 The things that I've learned is that the richer someone is, the more private that person is. 132 00:07:54,444.14572888 --> 00:07:54,864.14572888 Oh yeah. 133 00:07:54,864.14572888 --> 00:07:56,484.14572888 The less that they're gonna talk about it. 134 00:07:56,544.14572888 --> 00:07:56,874.14572888 Yeah. 135 00:07:56,874.14572888 --> 00:07:59,604.14572888 They, if you, and also how long they've been wealthy. 136 00:07:59,844.14572888 --> 00:08:00,654.14572888 Yes. 137 00:08:01,194.14572888 --> 00:08:01,704.14572888 Like. 138 00:08:02,724.14572888 --> 00:08:07,884.14572888 We always joke that if you see someone walking along with like a Rolex and driving a Mercedes, they are poor. 139 00:08:08,214.14572888 --> 00:08:15,924.14572888 But if that person's wearing, driving a hybrid Corolla and has a smart watch, I. 140 00:08:16,704.14572888 --> 00:08:17,154.14572888 Oh yeah. 141 00:08:17,154.14572888 --> 00:08:21,64.14572888 Or even just like in TrackX like Adam Sandler, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. 142 00:08:21,64.14572888 --> 00:08:24,754.14572888 But yeah, no, I think that's a fair, I think that's a fair theory on that actually. 143 00:08:25,684.14572888 --> 00:08:26,914.14572888 Anyway, so that's my top of mind. 144 00:08:26,914.14572888 --> 00:08:27,724.14572888 Highly recommend. 145 00:08:28,344.14572888 --> 00:08:30,204.14572888 But Gab, tell me about our first segment. 146 00:08:31,34.14572888 --> 00:08:33,104.14572888 The first thing I really wanted to talk about. 147 00:08:33,644.14572888 --> 00:08:42,574.14572888 This week is something that's really come up more in social media in Australia, and that is the launch of Boof Haircare. 148 00:08:42,574.14572888 --> 00:08:44,104.14572888 I dunno if you've heard of it, Claire. 149 00:08:44,554.14572888 --> 00:08:46,114.14572888 I've seen the tiktoks. 150 00:08:46,234.14572888 --> 00:08:47,14.14572888 Okay, good. 151 00:08:47,14.14572888 --> 00:08:56,894.14572888 So basically there's been a controversy this week with Indie Clinton who's been promoting booth hair care and her involvement with booth hair care, which essentially is about hair growth. 152 00:08:57,314.14572888 --> 00:08:58,664.14572888 So it's like a product line. 153 00:08:59,474.14572888 --> 00:09:08,744.14572888 That's dedicated to helping people like promote hair growth to, thicken your hair make it seem more lush, targeting women who want to have a thick ponytail. 154 00:09:08,744.14572888 --> 00:09:10,604.14572888 Who is, by the way, I might be a bit daft. 155 00:09:10,604.14572888 --> 00:09:14,539.14572888 Who's Indie Clinton? She's like a TikTok influencer. 156 00:09:14,969.14572888 --> 00:09:15,259.14572888 Okay. 157 00:09:15,624.14572888 --> 00:09:18,744.14572888 Will I know it because I'm a heavy duty TikTok user. 158 00:09:19,139.14572888 --> 00:09:19,684.14572888 Maybe not. 159 00:09:19,689.14572888 --> 00:09:23,279.14572888 You may have seen her stuff, but maybe you just didn't recognize her name. 160 00:09:23,279.14572888 --> 00:09:24,4.14572888 She's not in my algorithm. 161 00:09:24,719.14572888 --> 00:09:25,679.14572888 She's not in your algorithm. 162 00:09:25,679.14572888 --> 00:09:26,519.14572888 Make she old now. 163 00:09:26,549.14572888 --> 00:09:28,529.14572888 'cause now we're talking about it and our phones are in the room. 164 00:09:28,649.14572888 --> 00:09:30,179.14572888 I have seen the booth haircare. 165 00:09:30,239.14572888 --> 00:09:34,349.14572888 Tiktoks, but I've seen the tiktoks more from a controversy perspective. 166 00:09:34,589.14572888 --> 00:09:38,519.14572888 'cause a lot of people are asking them to share the academic research. 167 00:09:39,284.14572888 --> 00:09:44,354.14572888 In the product that they're claiming, which is also probably why Indie Clinton's not in my algorithm. 168 00:09:44,414.14572888 --> 00:09:46,484.14572888 Yeah, and also, we don't have kids. 169 00:09:46,544.14572888 --> 00:09:48,254.14572888 She's also mummy blogger vibes. 170 00:09:48,374.14572888 --> 00:09:48,674.14572888 She's a mum talk. 171 00:09:48,674.14572888 --> 00:09:48,764.14572888 Okay. 172 00:09:48,764.14572888 --> 00:09:49,364.14572888 Yeah, totally. 173 00:09:49,694.14572888 --> 00:09:53,414.14572888 So what's happened this week is she's promoting that. 174 00:09:54,374.14572888 --> 00:09:56,24.14572888 That's absolutely fine, you would think. 175 00:09:56,414.14572888 --> 00:10:08,84.14572888 However, what's come out is that in all of the promotion of her saying that she's using this product, she's actually been wearing hair extensions and like wigs in the content. 176 00:10:08,804.14572888 --> 00:10:10,94.14572888 What? Yes. 177 00:10:10,154.14572888 --> 00:10:11,654.14572888 So that makes no sense. 178 00:10:11,684.14572888 --> 00:10:23,54.14572888 I would just would've thought that in this day and time where we've got, millennials, gen Z people really looking for authenticity and brand alignment with influences, you can break that trust really quickly. 179 00:10:23,54.14572888 --> 00:10:26,294.14572888 So you're telling me a brand that's been not. 180 00:10:26,924.14572888 --> 00:10:34,604.14572888 Overly forthcoming on their academic research and their marketing material has wigs and hair extensions Yeah. 181 00:10:35,144.14572888 --> 00:10:39,974.14572888 Are getting a bit of pushback from customers. 182 00:10:40,54.14572888 --> 00:10:54,614.14572888 Because it's false advertising, right? Oh, so the brand's response has been from the founder, Rachel Wilde, basically saying that the choice was to use wigs and extensions as a form of an artistic expression. 183 00:10:54,674.14572888 --> 00:10:56,774.14572888 Isn't that misleading though? Yeah, it is. 184 00:10:56,774.14572888 --> 00:10:57,344.14572888 It is. 185 00:10:57,344.14572888 --> 00:11:02,234.14572888 And I think for their target market especially with a product like that, you're preying on vulnerability. 186 00:11:02,234.14572888 --> 00:11:04,324.14572888 You're saying, your life's better when your hair is thick. 187 00:11:04,329.14572888 --> 00:11:06,759.14572888 It's almost like teeth whitening, right? It's not transparent. 188 00:11:06,819.14572888 --> 00:11:07,719.14572888 No, it's not. 189 00:11:07,769.14572888 --> 00:11:15,959.14572888 So it sparks that bigger, larger conversation about that transparency in influencer marketing, which is more and more important. 190 00:11:16,249.14572888 --> 00:11:22,79.14572888 I don't write you my algorithm, the content is a lot less polished these days and what it was say five, seven years ago. 191 00:11:22,319.14572888 --> 00:11:26,249.14572888 Because people want real stories or real connection and. 192 00:11:26,804.14572888 --> 00:11:28,544.14572888 The Aussies is quite skeptical. 193 00:11:28,554.14572888 --> 00:11:32,664.14572888 They wanna buy a product that's actually real and has results as well. 194 00:11:32,674.14572888 --> 00:11:38,104.14572888 I've never used it, but Bondi Boost actually has content which shows people's hair growth over a period of using it. 195 00:11:38,264.14572888 --> 00:11:38,714.14572888 Exactly. 196 00:11:38,764.14572888 --> 00:11:44,729.14572888 And because you, they're playing this sort of space, it does have that challenge of not just transparency, but ethics as well. 197 00:11:45,29.14572888 --> 00:11:50,159.14572888 I don't know if Indie Clinton owns a stake in the company, but she hasn't been putting the advertising. 198 00:11:50,744.14572888 --> 00:11:53,804.14572888 Tag on her videos promoting it. 199 00:11:54,584.14572888 --> 00:11:55,634.14572888 That's fascinating. 200 00:11:55,874.14572888 --> 00:11:58,544.14572888 I don't know if that's, I think actually that might be illegal now. 201 00:11:58,574.14572888 --> 00:12:03,124.14572888 'cause remember I thought you'd you're being paid you to I think you're supposed to have that. 202 00:12:03,124.14572888 --> 00:12:03,664.14572888 It's sponsored. 203 00:12:03,664.14572888 --> 00:12:05,664.14572888 You're supposed to, especially when you've, so if she's not being paid, gifted. 204 00:12:06,524.14572888 --> 00:12:07,4.14572888 No gifted. 205 00:12:07,4.14572888 --> 00:12:08,864.14572888 You still have to 'cause it's in kind. 206 00:12:09,104.14572888 --> 00:12:09,314.14572888 Yeah. 207 00:12:09,314.14572888 --> 00:12:13,844.14572888 And because of the nature of the size of her network, she's a broadcaster essentially. 208 00:12:13,844.14572888 --> 00:12:15,434.14572888 So she has that influencing power. 209 00:12:16,229.14572888 --> 00:12:18,239.14572888 But overall, this feels so predatory. 210 00:12:18,239.14572888 --> 00:12:27,779.14572888 Like hair growth for so many people is such a vulnerable topic and a vulnerable aspect of people's image, and it just makes me feel uncomfortable. 211 00:12:27,779.14572888 --> 00:12:32,279.14572888 The fact that they're promoting it's, see, it's so Inge Ingenuine. 212 00:12:32,459.14572888 --> 00:12:32,759.14572888 Yeah. 213 00:12:32,759.14572888 --> 00:12:34,499.14572888 And it's also the launch of the brand. 214 00:12:34,559.14572888 --> 00:12:39,659.14572888 So I just don't know if this is gonna be just a small hump and they'll recover or. 215 00:12:39,909.14572888 --> 00:12:46,449.14572888 I'm just curious and how that sort of affect affected the results they were probably hoping to get in this launch period of time. 216 00:12:46,499.14572888 --> 00:12:54,59.14572888 The other thing I'll say for the founder, Rachel Wilde, the title of our segment is Indie Clinton's Booth Haircare Backlash. 217 00:12:54,389.14572888 --> 00:12:57,479.14572888 She's really tied her brand to the influencer. 218 00:12:57,929.14572888 --> 00:13:00,29.14572888 Yeah, she has, and a lot of people do these days. 219 00:13:00,29.14572888 --> 00:13:02,429.14572888 That's how you get the younger generation get saturation. 220 00:13:02,609.14572888 --> 00:13:08,989.14572888 The fact that they've come out saying it's artistic expression she's also admitted that they played a part in the content. 221 00:13:08,989.14572888 --> 00:13:11,719.14572888 So I don't know if that has made it any better, to be honest. 222 00:13:11,899.14572888 --> 00:13:12,769.14572888 No, I can't tell you. 223 00:13:12,769.14572888 --> 00:13:18,199.14572888 But until I actually see proof that these products work and some actual reviews, I certainly wouldn't be interested. 224 00:13:19,911.81239618 --> 00:13:21,621.81239618 Gab, it's actually happened. 225 00:13:21,951.81239618 --> 00:13:23,31.81239618 It is the inevitable. 226 00:13:23,31.81239618 --> 00:13:24,201.81239618 We all knew it was gonna happen. 227 00:13:24,231.81239618 --> 00:13:24,951.81239618 It was happening. 228 00:13:25,790.14573111 --> 00:13:29,570.14573111 We all knew that Donald Trump at Elon Musk would have a falling out. 229 00:13:29,780.14573111 --> 00:13:33,560.14573111 It's probably the miracle that they've lasted as long as they have. 230 00:13:33,840.14573111 --> 00:13:40,650.14573111 Elon Musk was appointed to lead a newly created US government body, which was the Department of Government Efficiency. 231 00:13:40,650.14573111 --> 00:13:42,90.14573111 It sounds like it should be in the office. 232 00:13:42,120.14573111 --> 00:13:43,595.14573111 What do we call it? Doge? Doge. 233 00:13:43,665.14573111 --> 00:13:44,700.14573111 Doge Doge. 234 00:13:44,700.14573111 --> 00:13:47,220.14573111 Because I think was also like a meme coin as well. 235 00:13:47,640.14573111 --> 00:13:52,770.14573111 So he would've thought it was so funny and clever, but he is not elected so. 236 00:13:53,490.14573111 --> 00:14:00,630.14573111 As a special government employee, he can only be hired for a maximum 130 days of service and a 365 day period. 237 00:14:00,810.14573111 --> 00:14:03,900.14573111 So he was coming to the conclusion of that period. 238 00:14:04,440.14573111 --> 00:14:08,70.14573111 And it was always said that it was only three months. 239 00:14:08,100.14573111 --> 00:14:08,820.14573111 Yeah, exactly. 240 00:14:09,30.14573111 --> 00:14:09,360.14573111 Yeah. 241 00:14:09,570.14573111 --> 00:14:13,350.14573111 And we just think back when he started, which was, Trump's inauguration. 242 00:14:14,250.14573111 --> 00:14:19,20.14573111 I spent such a short amount of time and so much chaos. 243 00:14:19,80.14573111 --> 00:14:20,190.14573111 Oh, so much chaos. 244 00:14:20,190.14573111 --> 00:14:22,890.14573111 Although doesn't January seem like so long ago. 245 00:14:23,130.14573111 --> 00:14:23,790.14573111 Yeah, exactly. 246 00:14:24,330.14573111 --> 00:14:32,865.14573111 So Elon Musk appointed himself and I think it was kind of a gift to himself for his support to Trump during the presidential elections. 247 00:14:33,565.14573111 --> 00:14:35,625.14573111 He said, we're gonna disrupt traditional. 248 00:14:36,225.14573111 --> 00:14:37,875.14573111 Government systems, they're bureaucratic. 249 00:14:37,875.14573111 --> 00:14:38,985.14573111 There's so much waste. 250 00:14:39,285.14573111 --> 00:14:44,325.14573111 We are gonna be Abe to apply first principles thinking, what does that even mean? Great question. 251 00:14:44,475.14573111 --> 00:14:46,5.14573111 I don't think he knew what it meant. 252 00:14:46,815.14573111 --> 00:14:48,765.14573111 And it was very much a PR stunt. 253 00:14:49,35.14573111 --> 00:14:49,275.14573111 Oh yeah. 254 00:14:49,280.14573111 --> 00:14:49,690.14573111 To appeal to, yeah. 255 00:14:49,695.14573111 --> 00:14:51,885.14573111 Big ideas with no no gravity. 256 00:14:51,975.14573111 --> 00:14:52,245.14573111 Yeah. 257 00:14:52,245.14573111 --> 00:14:56,475.14573111 And I think the spin was that they want to appeal to anti-establishment and PR tech voters. 258 00:14:57,255.14573111 --> 00:14:59,625.14573111 He promised to slash red tape and bureaucracy. 259 00:15:00,510.14573111 --> 00:15:11,250.14573111 Get AI and automation in, bring blockchain and FinTech into the mix and really reduce that waste is what he said. 260 00:15:11,820.14573111 --> 00:15:15,930.14573111 What actually happened is he caused absolute carnage and chaos. 261 00:15:16,230.14573111 --> 00:15:18,820.14573111 He really has done more harm than good. 262 00:15:19,540.14573111 --> 00:15:27,880.14573111 He estimated to have saved 175 billion in savings, which is actually hilarious 'cause the New York Times said it's closer to about 8 million. 263 00:15:28,510.14573111 --> 00:15:28,960.14573111 Wow. 264 00:15:29,210.14573111 --> 00:15:39,220.14573111 And I guess that's what happens when you bring in a bunch of uni grads and other underqualified individuals to rip out costs without knowing what you actually know, what you're doing. 265 00:15:40,700.14573111 --> 00:15:51,860.14573111 Doge has been quietly dismantled, and I think people are describing it as mission, somewhat not semi accomplished, but also back on that. 266 00:15:52,595.14573111 --> 00:15:53,795.14573111 In three months. 267 00:15:54,95.14573111 --> 00:15:59,355.14573111 It's not a long time to form a group and then dismantle it. 268 00:15:59,835.14573111 --> 00:16:02,595.14573111 Oh, this whole thing was a bit of a, it's so you are right. 269 00:16:02,595.14573111 --> 00:16:03,255.14573111 It's a stunt. 270 00:16:03,255.14573111 --> 00:16:04,665.14573111 Like it's so strange. 271 00:16:05,115.14573111 --> 00:16:09,195.14573111 The extensive spending and potential to increase the federal deficit by 2.5 272 00:16:09,195.14573111 --> 00:16:09,825.14573111 trillion. 273 00:16:10,155.14573111 --> 00:16:14,505.14573111 Well, he's already made a dint with the 175 billion that saving. 274 00:16:14,505.14573111 --> 00:16:16,575.14573111 So really it's only a 2.3 275 00:16:16,575.14573111 --> 00:16:17,865.14573111 trillion deficit. 276 00:16:18,40.14573111 --> 00:16:18,280.14573111 Exactly. 277 00:16:18,430.14573111 --> 00:16:22,840.14573111 It's basically free, right? It's, that's girl math, Trump math. 278 00:16:22,900.14573111 --> 00:16:23,650.14573111 It's Trump map. 279 00:16:25,210.14573111 --> 00:16:33,100.14573111 On Musk's way out, he got the golden keys to the White House whilst calling Trump's big, beautiful bill. 280 00:16:33,720.14573111 --> 00:16:34,740.14573111 An abomination. 281 00:16:36,715.68102191 --> 00:16:44,245.6810219 Full disclosure, Claire, I'm currently sitting on my mattress under a douna at the Family beach house right now. 282 00:16:44,365.6810219 --> 00:16:45,145.6810219 Chatting with you. 283 00:16:45,265.6810219 --> 00:16:47,275.6810219 And where are you? I'm in my wardrobe. 284 00:16:47,305.6810219 --> 00:16:48,385.6810219 I love this for us. 285 00:16:48,435.6810219 --> 00:16:56,835.6810219 And our listeners are probably wondering why we're doing this, and that's because we actually already recorded this segment a couple of days ago. 286 00:16:56,835.6810219 --> 00:16:59,505.6810219 But so much has happened, hasn't it? I. 287 00:17:00,405.6810219 --> 00:17:05,295.6810219 Not calling ourselves the oracle or anything, but we foreshadowed on Thursday. 288 00:17:05,295.6810219 --> 00:17:13,575.6810219 When we recorded this segment, we talked about what was happening in the disintegration of Elon Musk and Donald Trump's relationship, and we're like, the breakup is imminent. 289 00:17:13,605.6810219 --> 00:17:14,295.6810219 It's coming. 290 00:17:14,725.6810219 --> 00:17:17,635.6810219 Effectively we did that Thursday night. 291 00:17:18,115.6810219 --> 00:17:21,595.6810219 Friday morning we woke up and the boys were fighting. 292 00:17:22,945.6810219 --> 00:17:26,185.6810219 They were and the internet absolutely exploded. 293 00:17:27,115.6810219 --> 00:17:36,355.6810219 Where this all began is Musk Slam Trump's proposed legislation that one big, beautiful bill and called it a disgusting Bowman Nation. 294 00:17:36,895.6810219 --> 00:17:46,285.6810219 And what the bill referred to essentially was major cuts to electric vehicles subsidies and the move would spark an impact that would affect Tesla. 295 00:17:46,315.6810219 --> 00:17:50,575.6810219 So that is obviously what's concerned Elon here. 296 00:17:51,340.6810219 --> 00:17:54,760.6810219 Elon so self interested in his own agenda. 297 00:17:55,270.6810219 --> 00:17:59,230.6810219 He was upset at the impact to the electric vehicle subsidies. 298 00:17:59,800.6810219 --> 00:18:04,510.6810219 He was upset that he was actually getting phased out of the White House. 299 00:18:04,690.6810219 --> 00:18:07,690.6810219 Let's be clear again, Trump does whatever he wants. 300 00:18:07,690.6810219 --> 00:18:10,720.5910219 If Trump wanted Elon Musk to stay, Elon would still be there. 301 00:18:10,894.4685729 --> 00:18:13,219.2300219 But Trump was just like, all right, Elon Time's up. 302 00:18:13,249.2300219 --> 00:18:13,939.2300219 Thank you so much. 303 00:18:13,939.2300219 --> 00:18:15,49.2300219 He's the keys to the White House. 304 00:18:15,319.2300219 --> 00:18:15,979.2300219 Thanks for the T. 305 00:18:15,979.2300219 --> 00:18:16,969.2300219 That's such a good shout. 306 00:18:17,509.2300219 --> 00:18:35,399.2300219 What's essentially happened since then? Friday morning we woke up and I mean it's only Monday now, but Friday was the day that Elon then went to Twitter and dropped a bomb, the really big bomb real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. 307 00:18:35,819.2300219 --> 00:18:38,549.2300219 This is the real reason they've not been made public. 308 00:18:38,579.2300219 --> 00:18:39,599.2300219 Have a nice day. 309 00:18:39,689.2300219 --> 00:18:42,479.2300219 Dj JTI mean, aggressive. 310 00:18:44,99.2300219 --> 00:18:50,639.2300219 It's some people also knew, like we've seen photos of Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump previously, so we knew that they were involved. 311 00:18:50,849.2300219 --> 00:18:55,994.2300219 The extent of that involvement, we're not sure we could probably have a thought on it. 312 00:18:56,549.2300219 --> 00:19:03,389.2300219 The other thing is that Elon Musk was sparring on his own ex social media platform. 313 00:19:03,389.2300219 --> 00:19:04,919.2300219 Donald Trump was on truth social. 314 00:19:06,344.2300219 --> 00:19:10,214.2300219 Donald Trump was saying, yes, Elon Musk, you've been a disappointment. 315 00:19:10,844.2300219 --> 00:19:14,114.2300219 You're behaving badly going Grace and Elon. 316 00:19:14,204.2300219 --> 00:19:15,164.2300219 I'm not doing that. 317 00:19:16,484.2300219 --> 00:19:20,294.2300219 What we understand is that Elon Musk wants to talk to Trump. 318 00:19:20,294.2300219 --> 00:19:21,464.2300219 He wants to have a conversation. 319 00:19:22,4.2300219 --> 00:19:25,604.2300219 The White House wants Trump to have a conversation with Elon Musk and calm him down. 320 00:19:25,934.2300219 --> 00:19:28,244.2300219 Donald Trump does not wanna talk to Elon Musk. 321 00:19:28,294.2300219 --> 00:19:39,634.2300219 Yeah, and what I understand as well is Tesla and Elon Musk, they are perceived as one thing really. 322 00:19:39,634.2300219 --> 00:19:40,474.2300219 So this is. 323 00:19:40,864.2300219 --> 00:19:45,664.2300219 Just looking at it from a business perspective on what's happened in the last couple of days, it's pretty insane. 324 00:19:46,84.2300219 --> 00:19:55,204.2300219 Tesla's stocks have dropped significantly, dropping more than 14%, which equates to what, $150 billion market value loss. 325 00:19:55,924.2300219 --> 00:20:00,694.2300219 This is significant because Tesla doesn't really advertise. 326 00:20:00,694.2300219 --> 00:20:08,134.2300219 It really does rely on Musk's personal brand here, so I would think that from his perspective. 327 00:20:09,4.2300219 --> 00:20:16,174.2300219 At the point where you want Trump to talk to you and start smoothing things out because everything is just so volatile right now. 328 00:20:16,804.2300219 --> 00:20:17,374.2300219 Exactly. 329 00:20:17,374.2300219 --> 00:20:31,854.2300219 And we previously have spoken about Elon Musk but Tesla effectively is valued on its current revenues and its profitability for what it sells today, but it's also what it could achieve in the future. 330 00:20:32,394.2300219 --> 00:20:34,434.2300219 So that's its potential contracts. 331 00:20:34,484.2300219 --> 00:20:51,214.2300219 We gave the example that there's a vision that one day Tesla would own all the bus contracts for many states in America, and that evaluation is cooked into the share price With what's occurring, Musk is effectively killing the dreams for those contracts. 332 00:20:51,264.2300219 --> 00:20:53,994.2300219 If you are being Missy, you are causing drama. 333 00:20:54,24.2300219 --> 00:20:56,244.2300219 You're committing crimes, which he potentially could be doing. 334 00:20:56,244.2300219 --> 00:21:01,824.2300219 He could be leaking government information, he could be making threats, he could be deported. 335 00:21:01,914.2300219 --> 00:21:06,594.2300219 There are people that have called for his immigration status to be reviewed. 336 00:21:07,254.2300219 --> 00:21:14,724.2300219 Suddenly those future opportunities don't seem so great anymore, and that impacts the share price on that. 337 00:21:14,724.2300219 --> 00:21:18,624.2300219 Actually, this whole calling him an illegal alien. 338 00:21:19,224.2300219 --> 00:21:26,574.2300219 Yes, he was born in South Africa, but he did move to Canada in 1989 and then to US, and he went to college at Penn. 339 00:21:26,814.2300219 --> 00:21:29,904.2300219 He's actually been a US citizen since 2002. 340 00:21:29,934.2300219 --> 00:21:30,744.2300219 He's a citizen. 341 00:21:30,834.2300219 --> 00:21:35,214.2300219 Trump also was calling for the ability to deport JU citizens. 342 00:21:35,394.2300219 --> 00:21:37,464.2300219 So if that's the case, ah, they go. 343 00:21:37,824.2300219 --> 00:21:38,154.2300219 Yeah. 344 00:21:38,454.2300219 --> 00:21:45,894.2300219 And Trump also likes to do whatever he wants to do, there's every opportunity that they might pursue something like this. 345 00:21:46,164.2300219 --> 00:21:57,174.2300219 I don't think it'll get to that I think that Elon Musk will be eventually put back in his box, but this is a man who can't deal with rejection. 346 00:21:57,174.2300219 --> 00:21:59,964.2300219 He thought he was gonna get to be Trump's right hand man. 347 00:21:59,964.2300219 --> 00:22:05,664.2300219 For years, he effectively paid for his position in the tune of three to $400 million he spent in the electoral campaign. 348 00:22:06,174.2300219 --> 00:22:08,814.2300219 He's now dealing with the consequences of his own actions. 349 00:22:09,144.2300219 --> 00:22:09,774.2300219 He knew like. 350 00:22:10,149.2300219 --> 00:22:15,579.2300219 How did he not know this was gonna be the end result? Trump cues in, spits out everyone that he comes into contact with. 351 00:22:16,929.2300219 --> 00:22:18,519.2300219 Maybe he thought he was different. 352 00:22:18,609.2300219 --> 00:22:21,969.2300219 It's honestly such a sour breakup. 353 00:22:21,969.2300219 --> 00:22:24,519.2300219 It's almost reminds me of those relationships. 354 00:22:24,519.2300219 --> 00:22:26,109.2300219 You go, oh, they would never do that. 355 00:22:26,109.2300219 --> 00:22:27,819.2300219 Even if we broke up, they would never do that. 356 00:22:27,819.2300219 --> 00:22:32,109.2300219 And then when you break up, each party really does show their true colors. 357 00:22:32,529.2300219 --> 00:22:37,89.2300219 One thing I wanted to touch on as well is this whole black eye rumor and speculation. 358 00:22:37,809.2300219 --> 00:22:43,929.2300219 He said it was Elon had a black eye when he rock up at a recent White House Tech round table. 359 00:22:44,379.2300219 --> 00:22:47,979.2300219 At the time, he said it was because he was play fighting with his son. 360 00:22:48,9.2300219 --> 00:22:53,49.2300219 I'm gonna give a go at saying the name, I think the kid's name is Ex Asha 12. 361 00:22:53,649.2300219 --> 00:22:54,849.2300219 I think I'm saying that right. 362 00:22:55,509.2300219 --> 00:23:06,789.2300219 And but now the rumors of that, perhaps it was a physical altercation with one of the senior cabinet members, a bit of a fist fight happening in the White House that Elon Musk rammed. 363 00:23:07,419.2300219 --> 00:23:12,189.2300219 Besson's rib cage of like a rugby player and then fell and besson punched him in the face. 364 00:23:12,759.2300219 --> 00:23:19,749.2300219 Can you just imagine the awkwardness of Elon Musk trying to like spear tackle someone that is just, you've already seen him dance. 365 00:23:19,749.2300219 --> 00:23:24,669.2300219 You can only imagine how clunky and awkward he would've been so awkward and I don't know. 366 00:23:24,669.2300219 --> 00:23:29,889.2300219 I can imagine him calling out some kind of like karate voodoo thing as well. 367 00:23:29,889.2300219 --> 00:23:30,909.2300219 Just cringe. 368 00:23:31,419.2300219 --> 00:23:34,959.2300219 And also he was offered makeup. 369 00:23:35,679.2300219 --> 00:23:38,529.2300219 To cover up the black eye and he insisted on having it out. 370 00:23:38,529.2300219 --> 00:23:39,999.2300219 'cause I think he wanted to prove a point. 371 00:23:41,379.2300219 --> 00:23:42,789.2300219 Oh, that's so interesting. 372 00:23:43,479.2300219 --> 00:24:02,859.2300219 And what's this as well, he's teased a couple of times, but now with this fallout, do you think he's gonna pursue this idea of a another party, the America Party as an alternative to the Republicans or the Democrats? It's definitely something that's been spoken about. 373 00:24:02,919.2300219 --> 00:24:12,429.2300219 I don't know where it would go because it would need to be a centrist party and Elon Musk has pissed off the Democrats, which are the left-leaning, and he is also upset. 374 00:24:12,429.2300219 --> 00:24:17,109.2300219 A lot of the conservatives, the right-leaning, so I don't know how he's gonna find middle ground. 375 00:24:17,139.2300219 --> 00:24:22,599.2300219 But the US system isn't set up for more than two parties because it's a winner. 376 00:24:22,599.2300219 --> 00:24:23,49.2300219 Takes all. 377 00:24:23,979.2300219 --> 00:24:24,549.2300219 Approach. 378 00:24:24,699.2300219 --> 00:24:31,479.2300219 So unless Elon Musk had the majority, it's never really gonna get the legs it's looking to achieve. 379 00:24:31,509.2300219 --> 00:24:33,609.2300219 It's just gonna further dilute the vote. 380 00:24:33,939.2300219 --> 00:24:42,249.2300219 Might be good for the Democrats, but it really depends on where they're able to build momentum because it would cost a lot of money. 381 00:24:42,249.2300219 --> 00:24:52,119.2300219 And I think it also take a lot of time, like it's when people say comments like in Australia, oh we could have a Greens Prime Minister potentially with the way that we're swinging. 382 00:24:52,884.2300219 --> 00:24:59,514.2300219 That is a very long way off because of the way that our centrist politics and our preferential voting system is set up. 383 00:24:59,514.2300219 --> 00:25:00,984.2300219 It just takes a long time. 384 00:25:01,284.2300219 --> 00:25:03,354.2300219 Like I don't know if we'll see that in our generation. 385 00:25:03,864.2300219 --> 00:25:04,824.2300219 It's really hard to say. 386 00:25:05,994.2300219 --> 00:25:12,194.2300219 It is really hard to say, but then I think about when Trump first decided that he'd go into the running and people are, yeah. 387 00:25:12,194.2300219 --> 00:25:15,734.2300219 As if that's never gonna happen and look what he's achieved. 388 00:25:16,34.2300219 --> 00:25:21,224.2300219 I think particularly with this as well, there's that extra element of the US Constitution where. 389 00:25:21,719.2300219 --> 00:25:25,769.2300219 Because he wasn't born in the US I don't think he can actually be a president. 390 00:25:25,919.2300219 --> 00:25:30,149.2300219 He can form a party, but he wouldn't be able to be that ultimate leader. 391 00:25:30,869.2300219 --> 00:25:48,509.2300219 But think, I think he's also doing the third party approach because he's tried to get back in with the Democrats and they weren't having, they're just like, no, not interested you, but, 'cause Elon Musk used to be a democratic donor and he was heavily involved in supporting the Democratic Party, and it was only in the year before. 392 00:25:49,64.2300219 --> 00:25:53,114.2300219 The previous US election that he switched to supporting Donald Trump. 393 00:25:53,714.2300219 --> 00:25:55,664.2300219 So they're not keen for him to come back. 394 00:25:55,664.2300219 --> 00:25:56,534.2300219 So he's got nothing left. 395 00:25:56,559.2300219 --> 00:26:00,189.2300219 The MAGA and the Republicans don't really want him. 396 00:26:00,489.2300219 --> 00:26:03,309.2300219 He's got nowhere to be if he wants to be involved in politics. 397 00:26:05,179.2300219 --> 00:26:05,419.2300219 Now. 398 00:26:05,479.2300219 --> 00:26:08,269.2300219 We spoke about this initially when we recorded this, but. 399 00:26:08,584.2300219 --> 00:26:11,794.2300219 He's having a little bit of a brand identity crisis now. 400 00:26:11,844.2300219 --> 00:26:12,504.2300219 Exactly. 401 00:26:12,624.2300219 --> 00:26:17,454.2300219 Also, he relies very heavily on the government contracts he has with his space endeavors. 402 00:26:17,694.2300219 --> 00:26:22,974.2300219 So if they were to get pulled and Tesla's also not doing well. 403 00:26:23,754.2300219 --> 00:26:26,364.2300219 A few weeks ago we spoke about a margin call, which is where. 404 00:26:26,754.2300219 --> 00:26:44,64.2300219 Effectively all the debt that's funded by investment banks and other equity houses, they get a bit concerned with the rating of the asset, so they make the holder of the asset, so that would be Elon Musk stump up cash to reduce the risk that they have on those loads. 405 00:26:44,64.2300219 --> 00:26:45,84.2300219 And it's called a margin call. 406 00:26:45,724.2300219 --> 00:26:49,474.2300219 If things keep going sour and potentially government contracts get ended. 407 00:26:49,879.2300219 --> 00:26:58,99.2300219 There's a risk that Elon Musk will become up for a margin call, and he's not a very liquid person, so being not liquid means that he would be in a lot of strife. 408 00:26:58,99.2300219 --> 00:27:15,169.2300219 So I actually do believe there's a reality where if Elon Musk doesn't settle down, he'll keep defunding the value of Tesla, and he may actually have to sell his ownership or relinquish his leadership position in an efforts to retain some of his value. 409 00:27:17,599.2300219 --> 00:27:19,249.2300219 His value's already slipping. 410 00:27:19,349.2300219 --> 00:27:24,419.2300219 I think something needs to happen pretty quickly to turn this thing around. 411 00:27:24,479.2300219 --> 00:27:29,819.2300219 Or do we think that people are just gonna forget about this in a couple of days? It's gonna, everything will stabilize. 412 00:27:30,629.2300219 --> 00:27:34,619.2300219 I think there's still a few threats and dramas to occur, but we'll just keep an eye on it. 413 00:27:34,619.2300219 --> 00:27:35,729.2300219 I guess that's all we can do. 414 00:27:37,124.2300219 --> 00:27:44,144.2300219 And underneath all these headlines is basically this stark reminder, really, that business leaders start to play with politics. 415 00:27:44,144.2300219 --> 00:27:48,199.2300219 It can get explosive, and that's what we've seen these last few days, a hundred percent. 416 00:27:50,752.1363171 --> 00:27:52,852.1363171 I'm very excited about this one, Claire. 417 00:27:52,912.1363171 --> 00:28:00,232.1363171 Yeah, tell me, and that's we, that we finally have an update on Blake Lively and the Justin Baldoni case this week. 418 00:28:00,322.1363171 --> 00:28:01,702.1363171 Really? We do. 419 00:28:01,762.1363171 --> 00:28:04,372.1363171 So there've been some key things this week. 420 00:28:04,422.1363171 --> 00:28:13,932.1363171 The biggest one has been that Blake Lively has dropped two emotional distress claims that she had raised against Justin Baldoni in their ongoing legal battle. 421 00:28:13,962.1363171 --> 00:28:18,222.1363171 The court case is set for March next year, so it's still a long while away. 422 00:28:18,222.1363171 --> 00:28:18,462.1363171 And. 423 00:28:18,772.1363171 --> 00:28:37,252.1363171 It certainly is still openness, still claims against him, but she's dropped those two this week, and the reason for that is that his team requested medical records from her because part of this and what she has accused him of is. 424 00:28:37,532.1363171 --> 00:28:42,662.1363171 That he's caused her such emotional distress that they, his team believed that they should be. 425 00:28:42,662.1363171 --> 00:28:50,972.1363171 If that's the case, then there should be records within her therapy sessions that she spoke about this at the time, and so we're left here going. 426 00:28:51,32.1363171 --> 00:28:51,752.1363171 Interesting. 427 00:28:51,782.1363171 --> 00:28:59,642.1363171 Why would you refuse if you are quite confident about your case? Yes. 428 00:28:59,762.1363171 --> 00:29:03,962.1363171 So she's done this in a matter of retaining privacy, but. 429 00:29:04,727.1363171 --> 00:29:10,877.1363171 Is she entitled to that given what she's trying to pursue against Justin Baldoni? Yeah, exactly. 430 00:29:10,877.1363171 --> 00:29:16,897.1363171 She this case is so public it is affecting both of their reputations and it already has so much. 431 00:29:17,437.1363171 --> 00:29:19,417.1363171 I just think we're past that point now. 432 00:29:19,417.1363171 --> 00:29:25,687.1363171 They have disclosed so much text messages, intimate conversations and footage and everything. 433 00:29:25,687.1363171 --> 00:29:28,57.1363171 So it's a very strange to me. 434 00:29:28,287.1363171 --> 00:29:32,67.1363171 Justin Baldoni definitely prior to Christmas, was running this in the. 435 00:29:32,422.1363171 --> 00:29:33,652.1363171 Court of public opinion. 436 00:29:33,982.1363171 --> 00:29:36,977.1363171 He was just putting it all out there that he came in to fight. 437 00:29:38,397.1363171 --> 00:29:41,637.1363171 I think it really started to shift the narrative against Blake Lively. 438 00:29:41,637.1363171 --> 00:29:47,177.1363171 And then he just kept on launching grenades, when they shared the text messages and she referred to Taylor Swift as a dragon. 439 00:29:47,477.1363171 --> 00:29:49,937.1363171 Oh, remember that? I think I suppressed that. 440 00:29:49,937.1363171 --> 00:29:50,837.1363171 That was so gross. 441 00:29:51,47.1363171 --> 00:29:53,627.1363171 And Blake Lively and Taylor Swift have no longer friends. 442 00:29:53,717.1363171 --> 00:29:58,457.1363171 I was actually gonna ask, because what happened? Have they been seen together since? No. 443 00:29:58,847.1363171 --> 00:30:02,567.1363171 Really? I think Taylor Swift really distanced herself from Blake Lively. 444 00:30:02,897.1363171 --> 00:30:04,187.1363171 And then the second thing is. 445 00:30:04,832.1363171 --> 00:30:09,722.1363171 Taylor Swift would've never allowed her song to be used in the movie if she knew what was happening was occurring. 446 00:30:10,332.1363171 --> 00:30:17,292.1363171 If she knew that Dustin Baldoni was doing what he was doing, would she have allowed the, yeah, no, it does not make sense at all. 447 00:30:17,292.1363171 --> 00:30:18,942.1363171 She, she doesn't, she's a clever woman. 448 00:30:18,972.1363171 --> 00:30:25,242.1363171 She would not have done that, which is, I think also bolsters a lot of the directive towards Justin Baldoni. 449 00:30:25,472.1363171 --> 00:30:32,462.1363171 You did say that Blake Lively's reason for not providing the records is from this perspective of, I wanna keep my privacy. 450 00:30:33,542.1363171 --> 00:30:39,607.1363171 The question now is that gonna reframe our thoughts around Justin Bald? I actually think where we are at the moment, it won't. 451 00:30:39,607.1363171 --> 00:30:44,407.1363171 I think it, honestly, we're at this point where it just doesn't look really good on her right now. 452 00:30:44,497.1363171 --> 00:30:45,997.1363171 It doesn't, it's been very messy. 453 00:30:45,997.1363171 --> 00:31:04,657.1363171 I think definitely Justin Baldoni giving the amount of information in the volume he did and just made it publicly available, it helped them to control the narrative and it really, I would say it's benefited him in overall, regardless of what happened. 454 00:31:04,707.1363171 --> 00:31:06,237.1363171 There's true two sides to every story. 455 00:31:06,237.1363171 --> 00:31:07,557.1363171 It sits somewhere in the middle. 456 00:31:07,767.1363171 --> 00:31:10,437.1363171 He's really won back the narrative and he's maintained it. 457 00:31:10,767.1363171 --> 00:31:21,537.1363171 And I don't know if this is strategic little dropping of information or not, but for Blake Lively I would definitely say she's probably feeling quite lonely, I would say so as well. 458 00:31:21,637.1363171 --> 00:31:30,487.1363171 The court case or the trial is set for the 9th of March next year, so it is far from over, but we will be keeping a close eye on it and seeing how it unfolds. 459 00:31:30,697.1363171 --> 00:31:34,867.1363171 I do wanna know if we'll get it ends with us Justin B's version. 460 00:31:34,872.1363171 --> 00:31:35,112.1363171 I want it. 461 00:31:35,527.1363171 --> 00:31:36,8.1363171 I need it. 462 00:31:36,552.1363171 --> 00:31:40,57.1363171 I've been waiting for, it scored high, it's scored higher, it's scored really well. 463 00:31:40,357.1363171 --> 00:31:41,677.1363171 And what, since the case. 464 00:31:42,57.1363171 --> 00:31:42,567.1363171 Wait, hang on. 465 00:31:42,627.1363171 --> 00:31:43,767.1363171 What people have seen it. 466 00:31:43,827.1363171 --> 00:31:52,317.1363171 So prior to the movie being released, they did customer testing with Blake Lively's version with the Taylor Swift song and Justin B's version. 467 00:31:52,467.1363171 --> 00:31:52,887.1363171 Interesting. 468 00:31:52,887.1363171 --> 00:31:57,237.1363171 And his version tested far better, but her version had the Taylor Swift song. 469 00:31:57,767.1363171 --> 00:32:04,727.1363171 With the pressure that she was putting on Sony, Sony went with her version, so Justin B's version hit the cladding room floor. 470 00:32:04,727.1363171 --> 00:32:05,747.1363171 We never got to see it. 471 00:32:06,137.1363171 --> 00:32:07,187.1363171 They need to release it. 472 00:32:07,187.1363171 --> 00:32:09,827.1363171 They totally can take advantage of the situation here. 473 00:32:09,977.1363171 --> 00:32:10,997.1363171 Oh my god, this director's cut. 474 00:32:10,997.1363171 --> 00:32:11,867.1363171 It would be so good. 475 00:32:12,107.1363171 --> 00:32:13,517.1363171 The second thing though is. 476 00:32:13,877.1363171 --> 00:32:21,222.1363171 It would cover the amount of quirks in the movie where there's just like coffee cups that weren't there before and they just disappear and then they, oh, we all understand it. 477 00:32:21,377.1363171 --> 00:32:21,947.1363171 Oh my God. 478 00:32:21,947.1363171 --> 00:32:24,197.1363171 And the fishnets under the pajamas. 479 00:32:24,197.1363171 --> 00:32:25,427.1363171 That makes no sense. 480 00:32:25,787.1363171 --> 00:32:31,187.1363171 No woman would ever go to bed and put a pair of pajama pants over her fishnets. 481 00:32:31,187.1363171 --> 00:32:33,257.1363171 No, I've stand by thinking about that. 482 00:32:33,257.1363171 --> 00:32:35,207.1363171 That is like nails sound a blackboard. 483 00:32:35,207.1363171 --> 00:32:37,517.1363171 You know what I so uncomfortable like does not make sense. 484 00:32:37,517.1363171 --> 00:32:38,387.1363171 The static. 485 00:32:38,687.1363171 --> 00:32:40,7.1363171 I just, nah, nah. 486 00:32:40,97.1363171 --> 00:32:40,667.1363171 Not for me. 487 00:32:40,757.1363171 --> 00:32:40,997.1363171 Nah. 488 00:32:42,693.8029838 --> 00:32:54,243.8029838 Not moving far away from Blake Lively, but what's happened is Taylor Swift essentially broke the music industry and rebuilt it in her image and she's won the day. 489 00:32:54,663.8029838 --> 00:32:58,323.8029838 I don't know what the TE fan, what are we called or what are the Taylor Swifties, sorry. 490 00:32:58,533.8029838 --> 00:33:00,603.8029838 I wouldn't traditionally say that I'm a swifty. 491 00:33:00,603.8029838 --> 00:33:05,133.8029838 I'm not an anti swifty, but I had, this is something I have seen in my algorithm this week. 492 00:33:05,748.8029838 --> 00:33:06,828.8029838 What happened is. 493 00:33:08,73.8029838 --> 00:33:16,83.8029838 Taylor Swift lost control of her own music, rerecorded, most of it, made it more profitable, and now she owns the originals again. 494 00:33:16,293.8029838 --> 00:33:22,173.8029838 So breaking down what happened at 15, Taylor Swift signed to big machine records. 495 00:33:22,383.8029838 --> 00:33:28,953.8029838 Like many young artists, she didn't own her own master recordings, and that was her first self-titled debut album. 496 00:33:29,328.8029838 --> 00:33:31,428.8029838 Fast forward to 2019 big machine. 497 00:33:31,428.8029838 --> 00:33:36,258.8029838 And with it, her entire early catalog is sold to Scooter Braun for throwing 30 million. 498 00:33:36,678.8029838 --> 00:33:42,388.8029838 Scooter Braun has had a number of court cases, particularly with a dispute he had with Kesha. 499 00:33:43,78.8029838 --> 00:33:44,489.8029838 Ah, it's him, the same guy. 500 00:33:44,494.8029838 --> 00:33:44,673.8029838 It's him. 501 00:33:44,673.8029838 --> 00:33:44,794.8029838 Same guy. 502 00:33:44,794.8029838 --> 00:33:44,795.8029838 Yep. 503 00:33:46,108.8029838 --> 00:33:52,378.8029838 And Taylor said that she found out with the rest of us that her catalog had been sold and she accused Braun of being a bully. 504 00:33:52,408.8029838 --> 00:33:54,958.8029838 And she vowed to regain control. 505 00:33:55,708.8029838 --> 00:34:02,8.8029838 And I think the absolute point that Scooter Braun would never have estimated Taylor Swift to do. 506 00:34:03,268.8029838 --> 00:34:04,978.8029838 She rerecorded everything. 507 00:34:05,503.8029838 --> 00:34:07,823.8029838 She found the loophole, she found the legal loophole. 508 00:34:08,498.8029838 --> 00:34:09,248.8029838 She went rogue. 509 00:34:09,278.8029838 --> 00:34:13,328.8029838 She announced that she'll rerecord all six of her early AL albums and she meant it. 510 00:34:13,658.8029838 --> 00:34:16,418.8029838 Fearless Taylor's version dropped in 2021. 511 00:34:16,478.8029838 --> 00:34:17,768.8029838 Red Taylor's version. 512 00:34:18,593.8029838 --> 00:34:19,253.8029838 Speak now. 513 00:34:19,253.8029838 --> 00:34:23,218.8029838 1989 each broke the charts. 514 00:34:23,578.8029838 --> 00:34:30,238.8029838 And I gotta say it was really exciting when they were released 'cause you'd listen to it and they were different 'cause she's a different person and she's grown. 515 00:34:30,238.8029838 --> 00:34:31,978.8029838 Some extra songs dropped as well. 516 00:34:31,978.8029838 --> 00:34:36,688.8029838 And the fans, the swifties got completely behind her. 517 00:34:37,248.8029838 --> 00:34:39,348.8029838 IHeartRadio ditched the original versions. 518 00:34:39,778.8029838 --> 00:34:43,18.8029838 I, for one, would exclusively prioritize. 519 00:34:43,468.8029838 --> 00:34:59,208.8029838 Taylor's version where I could, of course we didn't have it for reputation but we had it for the others, and it was the ultimate vote with your wallet moment because Scooter Braun would never have expected his versions of the songs to reduce in value the way they did. 520 00:34:59,688.8029838 --> 00:35:04,668.8029838 And then for Taylor Swift to have gained the amount of popularity, I think it actually improved her to be honest. 521 00:35:04,728.8029838 --> 00:35:04,968.8029838 And. 522 00:35:05,493.8029838 --> 00:35:15,633.8029838 I think it shows the power of loyalty, like her following, it is a conscious decision to go in there and choose her recordings versus the old ones. 523 00:35:15,663.8029838 --> 00:35:18,558.8029838 It's completely irrational and they termed it Omics. 524 00:35:18,563.8029838 --> 00:35:18,753.8029838 Omics. 525 00:35:19,23.8029838 --> 00:35:22,893.8029838 I know, because it doesn't make sense when you think about. 526 00:35:23,213.8029838 --> 00:35:29,213.8029838 Economic models, but effectively her fan base was so loyal, they boycotted the originals. 527 00:35:29,843.8029838 --> 00:35:34,73.8029838 No other artist could have achieved what Taylor Swift did and had the benefit of what she did. 528 00:35:34,493.8029838 --> 00:35:39,718.8029838 So when she actually was able to purchase back the catalog from Scooter Bra which she did last week. 529 00:35:40,408.8029838 --> 00:35:42,148.8029838 It would've been a couple of hundred million. 530 00:35:42,538.8029838 --> 00:35:43,198.8029838 Oh, that's a lot. 531 00:35:43,408.8029838 --> 00:35:45,388.8029838 That's less than what he bought it for. 532 00:35:45,388.8029838 --> 00:35:45,688.8029838 No. 533 00:35:45,748.8029838 --> 00:35:46,318.8029838 Yes. 534 00:35:46,348.8029838 --> 00:35:46,888.8029838 I don't know. 535 00:35:46,888.8029838 --> 00:35:53,788.8029838 Like it's undisclosed, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not much more than what he paid for because he realized he had a diminishing asset. 536 00:35:53,788.8029838 --> 00:35:53,848.8029838 I. 537 00:35:54,958.8029838 --> 00:36:05,608.8029838 She's a genius, but I would say the door that she opened has been closed because now the industry, they prevent this from happening in the recording artists. 538 00:36:05,658.8029838 --> 00:36:15,108.8029838 Taylor Swift found that loophole, but there are strict rerecording clauses in contracts and many of them block rerecording for 10, 30 years, sometimes forever. 539 00:36:15,923.8029838 --> 00:36:21,563.8029838 Taylor Swift took a huge risk in doing this but I think it has paid off for her, it's her content. 540 00:36:21,563.8029838 --> 00:36:22,433.8029838 It's her creativity. 541 00:36:22,463.8029838 --> 00:36:29,383.8029838 What are you saying the risk is of her rerecording or from her buying When she said she would rerecord, she wouldn't have known how it would've played out. 542 00:36:29,383.8029838 --> 00:36:32,113.8029838 She wouldn't have known how successful or unsuccessful it would've been. 543 00:36:32,113.8029838 --> 00:36:34,693.8029838 And fortunately for her, it has played off for her. 544 00:36:35,203.8029838 --> 00:36:35,383.8029838 Yeah. 545 00:36:35,383.8029838 --> 00:36:41,553.8029838 And I think in the end, from what we can see, it was really important for her to take back her own power, and she certainly has. 546 00:36:41,553.8029838 --> 00:36:41,943.8029838 Mm-hmm. 547 00:36:42,721.9111153 --> 00:36:45,31.9111153 A quick legal note before we dive in. 548 00:36:45,241.9111153 --> 00:36:47,941.9111153 Erin Patterson's trial is still underway in Victoria. 549 00:36:48,91.9111153 --> 00:36:51,631.9111153 She has pleaded not guilty and remains presumed innocent. 550 00:36:51,841.9111153 --> 00:36:55,291.9111153 We're only summarizing evidence heard in open court and reputable news. 551 00:36:55,471.9111153 --> 00:37:01,261.9111153 This is commentary, not news, facts or verdict, calling if you're a juror, witness or otherwise involved in the case. 552 00:37:01,321.9111153 --> 00:37:04,261.9111153 Please stop listening now and return after the trial ends. 553 00:37:06,15.902045 --> 00:37:13,935.902045 After the last sip of coffee on a Saturday afternoon, three people dead. 554 00:37:14,535.902045 --> 00:37:18,765.902045 One more clinging to life from the fatal mushrooms. 555 00:37:19,245.902045 --> 00:37:26,800.902045 At the beef Wellington Mu, we bring you the death diaries. 556 00:37:30,259.2353783 --> 00:37:30,379.2353783 Hmm. 557 00:37:31,79.2353783 --> 00:37:32,4.2353783 It never gets old. 558 00:37:32,274.2353783 --> 00:37:32,814.2353783 I know. 559 00:37:32,814.2353783 --> 00:37:34,884.2353783 It's our favorite part of the episode. 560 00:37:34,944.2353783 --> 00:37:35,154.2353783 I know. 561 00:37:35,154.2353783 --> 00:37:36,144.2353783 I love playing this one. 562 00:37:36,174.2353783 --> 00:37:38,724.2353783 And something huge has happened this week, Claire. 563 00:37:38,814.2353783 --> 00:37:39,744.2353783 We were, we were wrong. 564 00:37:39,744.2353783 --> 00:37:40,494.2353783 Well, let say we were. 565 00:37:40,879.2353783 --> 00:37:41,220.2353783 We were so wrong. 566 00:37:41,334.2353783 --> 00:37:46,644.2353783 I was very wrong 'cause I was just like, this thing's done and dusted we're into final arguments. 567 00:37:46,644.2353783 --> 00:37:47,994.2353783 The defense is not bringing extra. 568 00:37:48,114.2353783 --> 00:37:52,44.2353783 This is, you know, why would they bother? I was at work and I remember opening up the age. 569 00:37:52,719.2353783 --> 00:37:55,289.2353783 And seeing Erin is entering Yes. 570 00:37:55,289.2353783 --> 00:37:56,339.2353783 I, I, me text you like, oh my God, you texted me. 571 00:37:56,339.2353783 --> 00:37:57,434.2353783 Immediately I saw it. 572 00:37:57,509.2353783 --> 00:37:59,909.2353783 I was like, oh my God, I can't believe it. 573 00:37:59,999.2353783 --> 00:38:06,89.2353783 Listened to a number of podcasts and also news reporters that were there and they said when they announced it, everyone was collective. 574 00:38:06,89.2353783 --> 00:38:06,149.2353783 Ha. 575 00:38:06,329.2353783 --> 00:38:08,159.2353783 'cause they could not believe it. 576 00:38:08,234.2353783 --> 00:38:15,89.2353783 So is she diluted or is this desperation? I have no idea. 577 00:38:15,89.2353783 --> 00:38:16,469.2353783 It is unprecedented. 578 00:38:16,469.2353783 --> 00:38:17,934.2353783 I think we can definitely say, mm-hmm. 579 00:38:19,304.2353783 --> 00:38:30,974.2353783 One thing we do know with our court system is that if Aaron's barrister knew that Aaron was guilty, if Aaron had confessed, he cannot put her on the stand, he would be risking his legal license. 580 00:38:31,184.2353783 --> 00:38:32,504.2353783 Really? And he certainly wouldn't be doing that. 581 00:38:32,834.2353783 --> 00:38:38,654.2353783 So he, do you know much about him? He is a very well established criminal barrister. 582 00:38:38,654.2353783 --> 00:38:39,584.2353783 He's excellent. 583 00:38:39,584.2353783 --> 00:38:40,664.2353783 He's very well regarded. 584 00:38:40,669.2353783 --> 00:38:40,819.2353783 Mm. 585 00:38:41,174.2353783 --> 00:38:47,544.2353783 One thing I didn't realize with Barristers is they interchange between prosecuting and defending. 586 00:38:48,39.2353783 --> 00:38:49,149.2353783 Oh, they just get hired. 587 00:38:49,149.2353783 --> 00:38:51,999.2353783 They're in like a So freelance. 588 00:38:52,89.2353783 --> 00:38:59,609.2353783 Yeah, they, they effectively are their own independent contractor and they get hired by lawyers and it could be the prosecution, it could be for the defense. 589 00:39:00,49.2353783 --> 00:39:02,374.2353783 So they interchange, which I thought was fascinating. 590 00:39:02,374.2353783 --> 00:39:02,809.2353783 That is fascinating. 591 00:39:02,839.2353783 --> 00:39:07,994.2353783 I had no, until someone explained this to me, Erin started her deliberation. 592 00:39:08,174.2353783 --> 00:39:09,299.2353783 She is still on. 593 00:39:09,299.2353783 --> 00:39:11,609.2353783 So it's Thursday afternoon when we're recording this. 594 00:39:11,609.2353783 --> 00:39:13,979.2353783 'cause Miss Gab is going away for the long weekend. 595 00:39:14,9.2353783 --> 00:39:14,579.2353783 I certainly am. 596 00:39:15,734.2353783 --> 00:39:22,34.2353783 And Erin concluded her fourth day, and in the fourth day she was cross-examined by the defense. 597 00:39:22,34.2353783 --> 00:39:29,64.2353783 So she had roughly three days or two and a half days of her defense barrister questioning, and he was preempting the discussion. 598 00:39:29,424.2353783 --> 00:39:33,354.2353783 And then today we had the cross-examination from the prosecutor and. 599 00:39:34,944.2353783 --> 00:39:36,984.2353783 That would be one of the hardest things you're ever gonna do. 600 00:39:37,14.2353783 --> 00:39:42,474.2353783 'cause you've got someone who's literally unpacking everything you said, how you said it, what you meant. 601 00:39:42,504.2353783 --> 00:39:43,854.2353783 And you have to be on your game. 602 00:39:43,854.2353783 --> 00:39:48,24.2353783 And I think, and if you haven't told the truth, this is where you're gonna get unpicked because. 603 00:39:48,654.2353783 --> 00:39:50,94.2353783 This person knows what you said. 604 00:39:50,94.2353783 --> 00:39:52,434.2353783 And they go, but didn't you tell me this? Oh, exactly. 605 00:39:52,434.2353783 --> 00:39:55,74.2353783 They've got the cheat, they've got the cheat sheet of what they said. 606 00:39:55,74.2353783 --> 00:39:56,604.2353783 It's like a test, honestly. 607 00:39:56,724.2353783 --> 00:39:56,814.2353783 Mm-hmm. 608 00:39:57,184.2353783 --> 00:39:58,294.2353783 So take me through it. 609 00:39:58,374.2353783 --> 00:40:02,334.2353783 Let's go through, let's take the listeners through what's actually happened day by day this week. 610 00:40:03,249.2353783 --> 00:40:05,679.2353783 Monday we had Erin enter the jury box. 611 00:40:05,739.2353783 --> 00:40:11,939.2353783 At the conclusion, at the start of Monday, we had the police investigator who was conducting the search on her house. 612 00:40:11,939.2353783 --> 00:40:16,829.2353783 He concluded his evidence and then we had Erin enter the box again. 613 00:40:16,829.2353783 --> 00:40:18,89.2353783 We didn't think this was gonna happen. 614 00:40:18,269.2353783 --> 00:40:26,879.2353783 And Erin entered, she shared her background, her how she met her partner, Simon. 615 00:40:27,299.2353783 --> 00:40:28,379.2353783 Their relationship. 616 00:40:28,619.2353783 --> 00:40:39,59.2353783 She shared a lot of sort of personal information herself about having low self-esteem, disordered eating, and a difficult relationship with her appearance, particularly after she had children. 617 00:40:39,479.2353783 --> 00:40:39,959.2353783 How she. 618 00:40:40,739.2353783 --> 00:40:43,579.2353783 S met her Christian faith and engaged in Christmas faith. 619 00:40:43,579.2353783 --> 00:40:45,229.2353783 And one thing I thought was super interesting mm-hmm. 620 00:40:45,499.2353783 --> 00:40:48,349.2353783 Is when you enter the jury box, you have to swear an oath. 621 00:40:48,649.2353783 --> 00:40:52,369.2353783 You can swear an affirmation or you can swear on the Bible. 622 00:40:52,369.2353783 --> 00:40:52,429.2353783 Yeah. 623 00:40:52,819.2353783 --> 00:40:54,79.2353783 She chose to do an affirmation. 624 00:40:55,129.2353783 --> 00:40:57,739.2353783 What? Which was like super interesting. 625 00:40:57,739.2353783 --> 00:41:05,419.2353783 But if you are a religious person and you don't choose the Bible, that's interesting, isn't it? Super interesting, isn't it? I didn't know you could do that. 626 00:41:05,599.2353783 --> 00:41:05,749.2353783 Yeah. 627 00:41:05,749.2353783 --> 00:41:06,529.2353783 You get choices. 628 00:41:06,529.2353783 --> 00:41:07,879.2353783 I think you can choose like whatever. 629 00:41:08,419.2353783 --> 00:41:11,209.2353783 Artifact or an affirmation if you're not like atheist. 630 00:41:11,379.2353783 --> 00:41:20,219.2353783 So Monday really was setting that scene of humanizing Erin, humanizing her I guess from her perspective, what community, how Yeah. 631 00:41:20,219.2353783 --> 00:41:22,19.2353783 Involved she was, all of that. 632 00:41:22,169.2353783 --> 00:41:25,949.2353783 She also spoke about the relationship she had with the Pattersons. 633 00:41:26,39.2353783 --> 00:41:26,399.2353783 Mm. 634 00:41:26,459.2353783 --> 00:41:33,259.2353783 Particularly, ian and Gail, and she said that Gail helped her a lot, particularly with raising the children, with being a new mother. 635 00:41:33,439.2353783 --> 00:41:38,869.2353783 She had a really great relationship with them and she lamented that with the separation with Simon. 636 00:41:38,869.2353783 --> 00:41:45,109.2353783 She was so sad and grieving the distance that I created in her relationship with Ian and Gail. 637 00:41:45,469.2353783 --> 00:41:46,879.2353783 Oh, Dawn and Gail. 638 00:41:46,879.2353783 --> 00:41:47,449.2353783 Don and Gail. 639 00:41:47,449.2353783 --> 00:41:47,779.2353783 Yes. 640 00:41:47,899.2353783 --> 00:41:48,199.2353783 Thank you. 641 00:41:48,199.2353783 --> 00:41:49,219.2353783 Ian's alive. 642 00:41:49,219.2353783 --> 00:41:49,849.2353783 Ian Wilkinson. 643 00:41:49,849.2353783 --> 00:41:50,629.2353783 He survived. 644 00:41:50,899.2353783 --> 00:41:51,769.2353783 Ian is the pastor. 645 00:41:51,799.2353783 --> 00:41:52,249.2353783 Thank you. 646 00:41:52,399.2353783 --> 00:41:53,299.2353783 You're most welcome. 647 00:41:55,24.2353783 --> 00:42:02,734.2353783 So then at that sort of soft launch, the strain relationship with the Patterson family and it built the groundwork that there wasn't a motive here. 648 00:42:02,734.2353783 --> 00:42:11,44.2353783 Like why on earth would someone who has a great relationship with these people and respects and has that connection hurt these people? Yeah. 649 00:42:11,44.2353783 --> 00:42:16,734.2353783 And hearing about her talk about them and how they've always been good to her and they've never done anything wrong. 650 00:42:16,734.2353783 --> 00:42:21,174.2353783 Why would she want to hurt them? That was definitely a strong point. 651 00:42:21,714.2353783 --> 00:42:23,34.2353783 As part of her testimony. 652 00:42:23,64.2353783 --> 00:42:24,534.2353783 Yep, absolutely agree with that one. 653 00:42:26,124.2353783 --> 00:42:34,14.2353783 On Tuesday, Erin made an admission that she concedes that there has to have been death cap mushrooms in the beef wellingtons. 654 00:42:34,194.2353783 --> 00:42:36,24.2353783 So she confirmed that? Yes. 655 00:42:36,534.2353783 --> 00:42:37,554.2353783 Hang on, hang on. 656 00:42:37,614.2353783 --> 00:42:39,354.2353783 She's admitted that they were in there. 657 00:42:39,624.2353783 --> 00:42:41,244.2353783 Not that she knew they were there. 658 00:42:42,174.2353783 --> 00:42:42,234.2353783 Oh. 659 00:42:42,264.2353783 --> 00:42:49,584.2353783 But she concedes that the way that those must tender the lunch something had been impacted was from eating. 660 00:42:50,109.2353783 --> 00:42:52,239.2353783 Mushrooms that were in the Beef Wellington lunch. 661 00:42:52,659.2353783 --> 00:42:53,319.2353783 Okay. 662 00:42:53,859.2353783 --> 00:42:59,169.2353783 And she's still saying that they came from the grocer in Glen Waverley or Mountain Waverley. 663 00:42:59,349.2353783 --> 00:43:02,979.2353783 So what Erin said is that they were mushrooms from the grocer. 664 00:43:03,939.2353783 --> 00:43:08,589.2353783 From Woolies, potentially also from an Asian grocer in Mount Waverley. 665 00:43:08,799.2353783 --> 00:43:08,979.2353783 Yeah. 666 00:43:09,309.2353783 --> 00:43:18,69.2353783 And that she was trying the mix called Delle, which she cooked down with garlic shallots, and the mushrooms finally minced and she found that it was quite bland. 667 00:43:18,279.2353783 --> 00:43:21,729.2353783 So she reached for a container of dehydrated mushrooms in her pantry. 668 00:43:22,809.2353783 --> 00:43:31,419.2353783 And they must have been some of the mushrooms that she previously had dehydrated up that she foraged and they must have contained their cat mushrooms. 669 00:43:31,419.2353783 --> 00:43:32,199.2353783 And she didn't know that. 670 00:43:33,579.2353783 --> 00:43:35,469.2353783 Bad has, she's not said that yet, though. 671 00:43:36,249.2353783 --> 00:43:40,359.2353783 She did say that she had the, the mushrooms from the grocer and they were smelly. 672 00:43:40,359.2353783 --> 00:43:41,769.2353783 They had a strong smell. 673 00:43:41,919.2353783 --> 00:43:42,279.2353783 Yeah. 674 00:43:42,579.2353783 --> 00:43:50,469.2353783 I think this was the first time that she said, yeah, there were mushrooms that forage from a foraging origination that ended up in the beef Wellington. 675 00:43:51,429.2353783 --> 00:43:56,679.2353783 During the opening statements, they said that she admitted that she forage, she had a dehydrator and this was all panic. 676 00:43:56,679.2353783 --> 00:43:59,949.2353783 Everything that she did after the lunch was her panicking and the lies as well. 677 00:43:59,949.2353783 --> 00:44:00,579.2353783 She acknowledged that. 678 00:44:00,579.2353783 --> 00:44:01,214.2353783 She told lies. 679 00:44:02,184.2353783 --> 00:44:04,414.2353783 Oh, it's, It's getting sticky. 680 00:44:04,514.2353783 --> 00:44:10,604.2353783 What I also wanna talk about is her online relationships with these women in the Facebook group. 681 00:44:10,874.2353783 --> 00:44:11,234.2353783 Yeah. 682 00:44:11,234.2353783 --> 00:44:13,264.2353783 But we gossip in our like group chats. 683 00:44:13,294.2353783 --> 00:44:14,74.2353783 No, I know. 684 00:44:14,74.2353783 --> 00:44:17,74.2353783 But they spoke specifically about talking about the family and. 685 00:44:17,459.2353783 --> 00:44:21,419.2353783 FM and all that kind of, all that kind of stuff. 686 00:44:21,809.2353783 --> 00:44:28,229.2353783 I know we do, but would you talk to someone who you have never met before about it? I guess maybe you would even more 'cause you don't know them. 687 00:44:28,229.2353783 --> 00:44:28,619.2353783 I don't know. 688 00:44:29,139.2353783 --> 00:44:29,889.2353783 It's all relative. 689 00:44:29,889.2353783 --> 00:44:31,989.2353783 That could be who your friends are. 690 00:44:32,619.2353783 --> 00:44:32,799.2353783 Yeah. 691 00:44:32,799.2353783 --> 00:44:36,159.2353783 And she's a skilled online sleuth, isn't she? So these are her peeps. 692 00:44:36,189.2353783 --> 00:44:38,709.2353783 But also Erin stated herself that she's an introvert. 693 00:44:38,809.2353783 --> 00:44:39,489.2353783 Yeah, like. 694 00:44:41,154.2353783 --> 00:44:45,294.2353783 You know, gamers, they can develop really close friendships with the people they game with. 695 00:44:45,564.2353783 --> 00:44:48,504.2353783 Actually, I'm not one of those people, but you're right, they can. 696 00:44:48,504.2353783 --> 00:44:49,74.2353783 They do. 697 00:44:49,854.2353783 --> 00:44:52,374.2353783 So yeah, it is interesting. 698 00:44:52,734.2353783 --> 00:44:54,954.2353783 But I dunno, I didn't read too much about for that. 699 00:44:54,954.2353783 --> 00:45:03,754.2353783 I was just like, ah, people gossip and, talk about stresses in their life and decompress with people that they connect with and maybe they'll just, who she connects with, particularly living in the country. 700 00:45:04,234.2353783 --> 00:45:05,134.2353783 Yeah, that's true. 701 00:45:06,4.2353783 --> 00:45:06,909.2353783 And what about. 702 00:45:07,909.2353783 --> 00:45:08,599.2353783 Cancer. 703 00:45:09,289.2353783 --> 00:45:17,569.2353783 She said that she lied about having cancer because what she really wanted to talk about was having weight loss surgery. 704 00:45:18,559.2353783 --> 00:45:19,219.2353783 Interesting. 705 00:45:19,219.2353783 --> 00:45:26,214.2353783 Because why would you like talk to them about how to tell the children you've got cancer? Because that would traumatize the children. 706 00:45:27,709.2353783 --> 00:45:29,419.2353783 I wonder if she panicked or. 707 00:45:30,739.2353783 --> 00:45:31,969.2353783 Maybe she was looking for sympathy. 708 00:45:31,969.2353783 --> 00:45:32,419.2353783 I don't know. 709 00:45:32,569.2353783 --> 00:45:34,819.2353783 Like it wasn't about, it wasn't the lie. 710 00:45:34,819.2353783 --> 00:45:42,99.2353783 It was about she wanted to feel appreciated and the center feel cared for and not left, alone if she is lonely. 711 00:45:42,309.2353783 --> 00:45:42,759.2353783 Yeah. 712 00:45:42,759.2353783 --> 00:45:42,760.2353783 Yeah. 713 00:45:43,29.2353783 --> 00:45:45,279.2353783 Well, she doesn't have her parents, her parents have passed away. 714 00:45:45,519.2353783 --> 00:45:45,729.2353783 Yeah. 715 00:45:46,629.2353783 --> 00:45:47,739.2353783 So that's Tuesday. 716 00:45:47,799.2353783 --> 00:45:53,19.2353783 And what happened on Wednesday? Wednesday? She admitted that she got rid of the dehydrator. 717 00:45:53,289.2353783 --> 00:45:56,249.2353783 She talked about what happened immediately following the lunch. 718 00:45:56,669.2353783 --> 00:45:56,759.2353783 Mm-hmm. 719 00:45:56,999.2353783 --> 00:46:01,589.2353783 And it all came down to I panicked, I stressed, I got anxious. 720 00:46:01,589.2353783 --> 00:46:06,239.2353783 I didn't do the right thing, but it wasn't in a place of malicious intent. 721 00:46:06,239.2353783 --> 00:46:12,479.2353783 It was purely everything I did was me panicking because people have gotten very, very sick. 722 00:46:12,659.2353783 --> 00:46:14,759.2353783 And I think it may have been because of something I did. 723 00:46:15,874.2353783 --> 00:46:17,824.2353783 You can't r argue with that either. 724 00:46:17,824.2353783 --> 00:46:19,204.2353783 That seems like a human response. 725 00:46:19,234.2353783 --> 00:46:21,154.2353783 When you butcher something, I do this all the time. 726 00:46:21,574.2353783 --> 00:46:22,954.2353783 I think I've screwed up with something. 727 00:46:23,44.2353783 --> 00:46:27,304.2353783 And so instead of just leaving it, I have to, I have to try, you know, I keep going. 728 00:46:27,304.2353783 --> 00:46:28,744.2353783 Make and then make it worse. 729 00:46:28,924.2353783 --> 00:46:29,284.2353783 Digging in. 730 00:46:29,284.2353783 --> 00:46:29,794.2353783 Yeah. 731 00:46:29,799.2353783 --> 00:46:30,664.2353783 Until you butcher it. 732 00:46:31,84.2353783 --> 00:46:32,824.2353783 And if you're panicking, you're like, nah, no, that wasn't me. 733 00:46:32,974.2353783 --> 00:46:37,654.2353783 And then you're like, I always remember this one time you overcompensate, right? Yes, yes. 734 00:46:37,654.2353783 --> 00:46:39,754.2353783 And you you lie and you're just like, ah. 735 00:46:39,784.2353783 --> 00:46:43,414.2353783 Then you dar deep and you're like, oh, I really should just fess up at this point. 736 00:46:43,414.2353783 --> 00:46:45,334.2353783 But you're like, one more. 737 00:46:45,514.2353783 --> 00:46:45,814.2353783 Yeah. 738 00:46:45,814.2353783 --> 00:46:47,254.2353783 And hopefully it all goes away. 739 00:46:47,254.2353783 --> 00:46:49,504.2353783 And then you get to the point you're like, I should never have done that. 740 00:46:49,504.2353783 --> 00:46:52,24.2353783 I should have just told the truth from the very beginning. 741 00:46:52,714.2353783 --> 00:46:56,914.2353783 Granted, nothing of this significance has ever happened to me. 742 00:46:56,944.2353783 --> 00:47:00,94.2353783 No, no, no one's ever died after I cook them lunch. 743 00:47:00,144.2353783 --> 00:47:00,624.2353783 God. 744 00:47:01,549.2353783 --> 00:47:02,89.2353783 Oh God. 745 00:47:02,904.2353783 --> 00:47:09,864.2353783 So today we had the prosecutor questioning Aaron and I would say Aaron's defense barrister. 746 00:47:09,894.2353783 --> 00:47:11,304.2353783 He tried to take the edge off. 747 00:47:11,724.2353783 --> 00:47:14,874.2353783 He tried to remove the opportunity for gotcha moments by asking everything. 748 00:47:15,714.2353783 --> 00:47:17,424.2353783 So therefore, the. 749 00:47:18,114.2353783 --> 00:47:24,509.2353783 Prosecutor, doesn't really have that much, uncharted territory that Erin hasn't already answered. 750 00:47:24,957.5687116 --> 00:47:34,197.5687116 Yeah, actually one thing that was quite interested is, or interesting, is that Erin said that there was no designated plates, it was just everyone grabbed a plate. 751 00:47:34,827.5687116 --> 00:47:40,512.5687116 She said that she didn't have gray plates, that she wasn't quite sure what they were talking about, so that she just had a random assortment of plates. 752 00:47:40,512.5687116 --> 00:47:47,547.5687116 So that also was broken down, and the prosecutor was just rehashing pointed questions to say. 753 00:47:48,132.5687116 --> 00:47:54,192.5687116 Did you know it was there? What did you Dehydrate we're showing pictures of from Erin's phone of her dehydrating. 754 00:47:54,192.5687116 --> 00:47:56,52.5687116 Things in the dehydrator. 755 00:47:56,612.5687116 --> 00:48:01,502.5687116 'Cause the angle they were going for was to get her to say that she'd only ever dehydrated mushrooms. 756 00:48:01,502.5687116 --> 00:48:02,792.5687116 It was only ever mushrooms. 757 00:48:03,182.5687116 --> 00:48:08,982.5687116 And Erin said, no, I'd done fruit and other bits and pieces just to see what I could add into the foods. 758 00:48:10,582.5687116 --> 00:48:12,22.5687116 What day is it Thursday now. 759 00:48:12,847.5687116 --> 00:48:25,367.5687116 The latest that we've seen is that they have found a phone, a photo on her sa well, they've asked her about a photo found on her Samsung tablet which was an image of death cap mushrooms. 760 00:48:26,327.5687116 --> 00:48:28,157.5687116 Oh, this has happened this afternoon. 761 00:48:28,157.5687116 --> 00:48:28,217.5687116 Yeah. 762 00:48:29,12.5687116 --> 00:48:43,22.5687116 So if I, oh, and this is fresh off the press, but essentially Erin has been they've has denied that they a photo that was found on her Samsung tablet showing the death cut, mushrooms being dehydrated. 763 00:48:43,682.5687116 --> 00:48:44,12.5687116 Oh. 764 00:48:44,12.5687116 --> 00:48:47,342.5687116 And they were identified by the mushroom expert guy. 765 00:48:47,402.5687116 --> 00:48:47,942.5687116 Yeah. 766 00:48:48,392.5687116 --> 00:48:49,862.5687116 That is interesting. 767 00:48:50,432.5687116 --> 00:48:51,362.5687116 And, that's tough. 768 00:48:51,362.5687116 --> 00:48:59,122.5687116 When you've got her in the box like that, how you wouldn't, they wouldn't, I'm assuming she wasn't expecting they would go find that or she knew about that. 769 00:48:59,122.5687116 --> 00:49:01,312.5687116 That seems like a, something we've not heard about yet. 770 00:49:01,342.5687116 --> 00:49:07,72.5687116 Were they the devices that she tried to factory reset? Possibly, but if you have iPhones, at least they're all in sync. 771 00:49:07,72.5687116 --> 00:49:09,442.5687116 This is the problem with Androids, I tell you what. 772 00:49:09,497.5687116 --> 00:49:09,917.5687116 Mm-hmm. 773 00:49:11,387.5687116 --> 00:49:15,782.5687116 So where to from here? The judge today said that. 774 00:49:16,307.5687116 --> 00:49:25,397.5687116 It's likely that this trial is now gonna push into late June, so it's the 5th of June Today he said it could be the rest of the month it takes. 775 00:49:25,727.5687116 --> 00:49:33,887.5687116 They were expecting that we would be on the closing end, but he went back to the jury and said, Hey, it's likely that this examination will continue for a few more days. 776 00:49:34,367.5687116 --> 00:49:36,857.5687116 The defense has alluded that they do have more witnesses coming. 777 00:49:37,237.5687116 --> 00:49:37,458.5687116 Oh, okay. 778 00:49:37,702.5687116 --> 00:49:43,672.5687116 And then, and then they will have closing arguments and then the judge will summarize everything that's been heard as well. 779 00:49:43,672.5687116 --> 00:49:47,782.5687116 And then provide instruction to the jury to then start jury camp. 780 00:49:48,232.5687116 --> 00:49:49,192.5687116 Just deliberations. 781 00:49:49,282.5687116 --> 00:49:50,482.5687116 Deliberations. 782 00:49:50,482.5687116 --> 00:49:52,312.5687116 And they're gonna be sequestered. 783 00:49:52,312.5687116 --> 00:49:52,402.5687116 Mm-hmm. 784 00:49:53,662.5687116 --> 00:49:55,552.5687116 It's actually going a bit longer than what I thought. 785 00:49:55,932.5687116 --> 00:49:58,692.5687116 If you were the news, you would be loving this. 786 00:49:58,842.5687116 --> 00:49:59,502.5687116 Oh yeah. 787 00:49:59,502.5687116 --> 00:50:00,317.5687116 This has gotta be. 788 00:50:02,527.5687116 --> 00:50:04,177.5687116 You Victoria's story of the year. 789 00:50:04,177.5687116 --> 00:50:05,17.5687116 A hundred percent. 790 00:50:05,17.5687116 --> 00:50:13,147.5687116 But could you imagine you're a news reporter, you're sitting there, it's getting to the Thailand, and they're like, and Erin Patterson is going to testify, and you're like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 791 00:50:13,147.5687116 --> 00:50:13,417.5687116 Yep. 792 00:50:13,697.5687116 --> 00:50:18,677.5687116 That would be like kryptonite, candy, like it's basically. 793 00:50:19,202.5687116 --> 00:50:25,172.5687116 The best day ever for someone who is heavily involved in reporting on the court proceedings. 794 00:50:25,292.5687116 --> 00:50:30,442.5687116 Absolutely, and, and this is why I would love to be a juror, because what an experience, a hundred percent. 795 00:50:30,622.5687116 --> 00:50:31,852.5687116 That's it from us this week. 796 00:50:31,912.5687116 --> 00:50:33,862.5687116 Lawsuits were dropped, weeks were worn. 797 00:50:34,12.5687116 --> 00:50:37,252.5687116 Elon rage quit, and Taylor somehow became even more powerful. 798 00:50:37,432.5687116 --> 00:50:42,952.5687116 If you liked what you heard, make sure to rate and review and share it with a friend who loves a little bit of drama with their headlines. 799 00:50:43,192.5687116 --> 00:50:46,522.5687116 And don't forget, we'll be back next week with more headlines and more hot takes. 800 00:50:46,582.5687116 --> 00:50:47,212.5687116 See you then.