Erin Patterson Sentenced, Netflix’s Unknown Number & Chloe Malle starting Vogue’s Nepo Baby Era

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.62745098Hey Gab, did you see the TikTok about the girls that wanted to go to Nice France and ended up in Tunisia in Northern Africa? Yes, I saw this and thought, of course, this would only happen to Americans and For those people that are not across what's happened, and this has just been living rent free, this could happen. 2 00:00:24,259.803921569 --> 00:00:29,73.529411765 These girls wanted to go from Rome to France and they missed their flight. 3 00:00:29,426.470588235 --> 00:00:43,250 And when they were at the booking desk trying to rebook, they kept saying to Nice, uh, we want to go to Nice and the easy jet person booked them to East Northern Africa. 4 00:00:43,838.235294118 --> 00:00:45,926.470588235 Do you know what I wonder? And they still did it to themselves. 5 00:00:45,985.294117647 --> 00:00:46,897.058823529 They did to themselves. 6 00:00:46,897.058823529 --> 00:00:55,767.647058824 But I do wonder if they were being really arrogant and not really, you know, you just not taking this from, obviously they didn't check, so obviously they're not paying attention. 7 00:00:55,767.647058824 --> 00:00:59,355.882352941 Like they're not taking accountability for literally their own actions. 8 00:00:59,360.784313725 --> 00:01:04,983.333333333 I, I wonder if that, that Italian a worker behind the desk was like, you know what? Screw this. 9 00:01:05,983.333333333 --> 00:01:06,983.333333333 I'm booking them to Africa. 10 00:01:07,983.333333333 --> 00:01:16,208.823529412 So the girls did not realize until they got on the plane and something triggered and they're wait, where are you guys all going? And they're like, to nice. 11 00:01:16,208.823529412 --> 00:01:18,650 And they're like, yes, we're going to nice. 12 00:01:19,179.411764706 --> 00:01:21,414.705882353 And then they're like, wait, no. 13 00:01:22,326.470588235 --> 00:01:28,591.176470588 And someone eventually in the crowd of passengers that are sitting there laughing at them is like, you're going to Northern Africa. 14 00:01:28,591.176470588 --> 00:01:30,61.764705882 Is that where you wanna go? And they're like. 15 00:01:30,532.352941176 --> 00:01:32,679.411764706 No, we wanna go to France. 16 00:01:33,2.941176471 --> 00:01:38,914.705882353 So they go back up to the top of the plane, and this is where the best thing happens is they're like, we wanna get off the plane. 17 00:01:38,963.725490196 --> 00:01:40,51.96078431 We wanna go to France. 18 00:01:40,140.19607843 --> 00:01:41,993.1372549 We don't wanna go to Northern Africa. 19 00:01:42,287.25490196 --> 00:01:49,434.31372549 And the pilot is like, yes, we're going, you can go via, via Denise to get to France. 20 00:01:49,434.31372549 --> 00:01:50,934.31372549 And they're like, like a stopover. 21 00:01:50,934.31372549 --> 00:01:53,110.78431373 And he is like, yeah, like stopover. 22 00:01:53,110.78431373 --> 00:01:53,846.07843137 How long that point. 23 00:01:53,963.7254902 --> 00:01:55,640.19607843 A couple of hours. 24 00:01:55,757.84313725 --> 00:01:59,934.31372549 Oh, it's not far from, because Rome to Northern Africa, it's like on the border. 25 00:02:00,140.19607843 --> 00:02:01,140.19607843 Yeah, you're right. 26 00:02:01,904.90196078 --> 00:02:04,145.09803922 He would not, he would been like, like a couple buyers. 27 00:02:04,145.09803922 --> 00:02:05,699.01960784 He's like, I, I'm not offloading these girls. 28 00:02:05,699.01960784 --> 00:02:06,993.1372549 They're gonna slow us all down. 29 00:02:07,257.84313725 --> 00:02:21,846.07843137 So they end up in Northern Africa and then they're trying to sort this out 'cause they can't leave the country 'cause they have visas and this, they're trying to explain this to this guy and the guy's like, whoa, what's going on? Eventually they get re-booked and they're outraged when they learn they have to buy new tickets. 30 00:02:21,846.07843137 --> 00:02:26,669.60784314 And everyone on the comments in TikTok are like, so you should, you're an idiot. 31 00:02:26,875.49019608 --> 00:02:30,463.7254902 But even then they keep saying to the, the guy, we want to go Denise. 32 00:02:30,463.7254902 --> 00:02:32,787.25490196 And he is like, well here you are, you're in Denise. 33 00:02:32,934.31372549 --> 00:02:36,257.84313725 Why don't you stop saying that and say we want flights. 34 00:02:37,257.84313725 --> 00:02:39,581.37254902 For, they just kept confusing everyone. 35 00:02:39,610.78431373 --> 00:02:52,532.35294118 Also, one thing that I'm, I know I'm being really pedantic about the whole American thing and sorry for all the, great Americans out there, but what is annoying me as well is, you know, when people just don't bother trying the language. 36 00:02:52,532.35294118 --> 00:02:56,326.47058824 Like you in a country where English is not the first language, give it a go. 37 00:02:56,385.29411765 --> 00:03:01,777.45098039 Or just try, instead of go like sort out my life, I'm going to knees like. 38 00:03:02,424.50980392 --> 00:03:05,659.80392157 Do you separate your words? Do you think they did it? This was like a publicity stunt. 39 00:03:06,287.25490196 --> 00:03:10,287.25490196 Were they aspiring influencers? I don't think so now. 40 00:03:10,551.96078431 --> 00:03:12,787.25490196 So anyway, that happened and it was great. 41 00:03:12,944.11764706 --> 00:03:14,238.23529412 They have made it to Nice though. 42 00:03:14,708.82352941 --> 00:03:16,32.35294118 I hope they're having a great time. 43 00:03:16,164.70588235 --> 00:03:16,282.35294118 Hmm. 44 00:03:18,243.37254902 --> 00:03:28,341.41176471 Coming up this week on spin Cycle, we're talking millennial dads rewriting fatherhood, an orca story that has us genuinely speechless and why bosses snooping through your webcam. 45 00:03:28,341.41176471 --> 00:03:30,959.05882353 And Mike isn't just creepy, it's actually illegal. 46 00:03:31,253.17647059 --> 00:03:34,606.11764706 Plus, Vogue has a new editor, and yes, she's a Nepo baby. 47 00:03:34,841.41176471 --> 00:03:41,988.47058824 And on top of that, we're discussing the Netflix doc unknown number, and of course the Erin Patterson Mushroom trial finale. 48 00:03:42,459.05882353 --> 00:03:44,606.11764706 The sentencing is in as of today. 49 00:03:45,120.82352941 --> 00:03:45,767.88235294 Big week Gab. 50 00:03:45,797.29411765 --> 00:03:46,326.70588235 Let's spin. 51 00:03:46,356.11764706 --> 00:03:47,150.23529412 Let's go. 52 00:04:02,550.23529412 --> 00:04:08,520.23529412 Welcome to Spin Cycle, where we dig into the stories shaping the world and take a closer look at the patterns, power plays. 53 00:04:08,520.23529412 --> 00:04:16,230.23529412 And yes, the biases hiding in plain sight where Gab and Claire, two friends with MBAs, A lot of opinions and a healthy amount of skepticism. 54 00:04:16,530.23529412 --> 00:04:19,530.23529412 We're here to help you think twice and maybe have a few laughs. 55 00:04:19,830.23529412 --> 00:04:20,605.23529412 Let's get spinning. 56 00:04:21,425.7454982 --> 00:04:29,72.80432173 So Gab, what's top of mind for you this week? Really quickly, I actually wanted to flag, and I'm not gonna spoil it for you, Claire. 57 00:04:29,190.45138055 --> 00:04:29,572.80432173 Mm. 58 00:04:29,719.86314526 --> 00:04:31,837.51020408 But I have been watching the summer. 59 00:04:31,837.51020408 --> 00:04:33,455.15726291 I turn pretty Oh. 60 00:04:33,719.86314526 --> 00:04:37,925.7454982 And mind you, for everyone listening, no, I haven't finished, I've still got two episodes left. 61 00:04:37,955.15726291 --> 00:04:39,425.7454982 I'm intentionally leaving it. 62 00:04:39,430.64745898 --> 00:04:39,558.09843938 Mm-hmm. 63 00:04:39,656.13765506 --> 00:04:42,778.68667467 And I'm gonna wait, I think until next weekend and enjoy that. 64 00:04:43,131.62785114 --> 00:04:45,866.92196879 But I just, I'm starting to get. 65 00:04:46,219.86314526 --> 00:04:51,455.15726291 I'm starting to get annoyed about how this new generation of young people are trying to take our songs. 66 00:04:51,700.25530212 --> 00:04:56,13.98079232 The show has been spoiled for me because I've seen a few clips on TikTok. 67 00:04:56,92.41216487 --> 00:05:01,121.82392957 And you know the song Kissing You by Desiree? Yes. 68 00:05:01,180.64745898 --> 00:05:05,474.76510604 Which, what film do you know that song from? Oh, you gonna ask, I'm putting you on the spot. 69 00:05:05,533.58863545 --> 00:05:05,651.23569428 Yeah. 70 00:05:05,651.23569428 --> 00:05:05,886.52981192 Okay. 71 00:05:06,636.52981192 --> 00:05:12,107.11804722 For the people out there who have seen the, I think it's 1998. 72 00:05:12,313.00040016 --> 00:05:14,77.70628251 Is it Romeo? Romeo and Juliet? Yes. 73 00:05:14,77.70628251 --> 00:05:14,224.76510604 Okay. 74 00:05:14,224.76510604 --> 00:05:15,18.8827531 I've got it at the end. 75 00:05:15,18.8827531 --> 00:05:15,489.4709884 Yes. 76 00:05:15,636.52981192 --> 00:05:16,165.94157663 Um, no, no, no. 77 00:05:16,165.94157663 --> 00:05:17,165.94157663 It's not at the end. 78 00:05:17,430.64745898 --> 00:05:19,842.41216487 It is when they're, it's actually at the start. 79 00:05:19,842.41216487 --> 00:05:21,518.8827531 It's at the party and they're looking through. 80 00:05:21,886.52981192 --> 00:05:23,288.49059624 The no, but I know the song though. 81 00:05:23,288.49059624 --> 00:05:25,23.78471389 Course I know, I know exactly what you're talking about. 82 00:05:25,23.78471389 --> 00:05:25,156.13765506 Of course. 83 00:05:25,156.13765506 --> 00:05:25,273.78471389 Yeah. 84 00:05:25,278.68667467 --> 00:05:25,347.31412565 Course. 85 00:05:25,347.31412565 --> 00:05:29,141.43177271 But the, um, the Fish Tank, when he sees CL Claire Dane for the first time. 86 00:05:29,641.43177271 --> 00:05:30,567.90236094 Yes, yes, exactly right. 87 00:05:30,567.90236094 --> 00:05:31,156.13765506 Exactly what you're talking about. 88 00:05:31,161.03961585 --> 00:05:31,494.37294918 Exactly. 89 00:05:31,494.37294918 --> 00:05:31,729.66706683 Yeah. 90 00:05:31,788.49059624 --> 00:05:33,670.84353742 And you think it's from that? No, no, no. 91 00:05:33,994.37294918 --> 00:05:35,788.49059624 The Somewhere in Turn Pretty has taken that song. 92 00:05:36,700.25530212 --> 00:05:39,288.49059624 They've taken it for like their romantic song. 93 00:05:39,317.90236094 --> 00:05:42,759.07883153 It's like when Stranger Things ruin, Kate Bush's running up that hill. 94 00:05:43,670.84353742 --> 00:05:44,523.78471389 Yeah. 95 00:05:44,670.84353742 --> 00:05:45,82.6082433 Mm. 96 00:05:45,170.84353742 --> 00:05:46,842.41216487 And it's, and it's like their song now. 97 00:05:46,842.41216487 --> 00:05:48,724.76510604 And I'm like, but they don't understand the history of that song. 98 00:05:48,724.76510604 --> 00:05:49,582.6082433 They don't understand the context. 99 00:05:49,582.6082433 --> 00:05:50,53.19647859 They don't respect it. 100 00:05:50,53.19647859 --> 00:05:51,847.31412565 Anyway, that's very top of mind for me. 101 00:05:51,896.33373349 --> 00:05:56,249.27490996 And the fact that they have so many top songs, I don't know. 102 00:05:56,308.09843938 --> 00:05:58,513.98079232 They're spending so much money on their music budget. 103 00:05:59,102.21608643 --> 00:06:00,43.39255702 It's baffling me. 104 00:06:00,131.62785114 --> 00:06:01,43.39255702 Mm. 105 00:06:01,925.7454982 --> 00:06:07,308.09843938 Anyway, what's top of mind for you? Top of mind for me this week is I have been watching unknown number on Netflix. 106 00:06:07,308.09843938 --> 00:06:07,778.68667467 Yes. 107 00:06:07,778.68667467 --> 00:06:09,749.27490996 Have you seen it? Yes, I have. 108 00:06:10,43.39255702 --> 00:06:11,543.39255702 We have to talk about this. 109 00:06:11,690.45138055 --> 00:06:12,161.03961585 Yes. 110 00:06:12,945.35334134 --> 00:06:19,915.94157663 So unknown number is a documentary that's just launched on Netflix and it's like catfish on steroids. 111 00:06:19,915.94157663 --> 00:06:23,811.03961585 But with the FBI, it starts in this tiny town in Michigan. 112 00:06:23,840.45138055 --> 00:06:27,75.7454982 Beale City population, no one, but there is these two kids. 113 00:06:27,443.39255702 --> 00:06:30,531.62785114 Lauren and Owen, they're 13 and they are in love. 114 00:06:30,531.62785114 --> 00:06:31,502.21608643 What the time? They're in love. 115 00:06:31,502.21608643 --> 00:06:34,531.62785114 So cringe isn't it? Very intense relationship with 13 year olds. 116 00:06:34,649.27490996 --> 00:06:38,649.27490996 But also side note, their parents were so proud of it and that made me go weird. 117 00:06:38,649.27490996 --> 00:06:38,796.33373349 Yeah. 118 00:06:39,31.62785114 --> 00:06:40,149.27490996 So uncomfortable. 119 00:06:40,913.98079232 --> 00:06:45,90.45138055 Leoni definitely wasn't a pro me dating at 13, but I was also a loser when I was 13. 120 00:06:45,237.51020408 --> 00:06:48,355.15726291 No, I would, I would not be allowed to date at 13. 121 00:06:48,649.27490996 --> 00:06:48,766.92196879 Mm. 122 00:06:48,855.15726291 --> 00:06:49,531.62785114 Oh my god. 123 00:06:49,561.03961585 --> 00:06:51,855.15726291 I was, I I was into like the saddle club and horses. 124 00:06:51,943.39255702 --> 00:06:52,119.86314526 Yeah. 125 00:06:52,119.86314526 --> 00:06:56,384.56902761 So was I, I Who, which, which Saddle Club member were you? Lisa, it's Carol. 126 00:06:56,678.68667467 --> 00:06:56,943.39255702 Mm. 127 00:06:57,31.62785114 --> 00:06:57,413.98079232 There you go. 128 00:06:58,413.98079232 --> 00:07:03,149.27490996 Out of nowhere, these two 13 year olds start getting these texts and they're from an enormous number. 129 00:07:03,208.09843938 --> 00:07:05,531.62785114 And I'm not talking one or two dodgy dms. 130 00:07:05,913.98079232 --> 00:07:10,913.98079232 They're getting like 50 texts a day every day for over a year, and it's pure abuse stuff. 131 00:07:10,963.00040016 --> 00:07:13,933.58863545 No one wants your anorexic flat ass, kill yourself. 132 00:07:13,933.58863545 --> 00:07:17,80.64745898 His life would be better without you fully evil. 133 00:07:17,168.8827531 --> 00:07:17,933.58863545 Put 13-year-old. 134 00:07:18,507.11804722 --> 00:07:20,889.4709884 It's really, really negligent. 135 00:07:20,889.4709884 --> 00:07:25,183.58863545 Like a 13-year-old is so vulnerable at that point in their life. 136 00:07:25,183.58863545 --> 00:07:29,7.11804722 It, it takes a real sicko to do that a hundred percent. 137 00:07:29,536.52981192 --> 00:07:31,65.94157663 And it just keeps spreading. 138 00:07:31,95.35334134 --> 00:07:37,154.17687075 It's not just these two kids, it's now targeting many of the students with the most vile things. 139 00:07:37,477.70628251 --> 00:07:38,713.00040016 The whole school's freaking out. 140 00:07:38,713.00040016 --> 00:07:45,364.96118447 The teachers are involved, the parents are freaking out, and may I add gab? These collective parents are just hopeless through this whole thing. 141 00:07:46,7.11804722 --> 00:07:46,477.70628251 They are. 142 00:07:46,507.11804722 --> 00:07:47,977.70628251 They don't take away the phones. 143 00:07:48,213.00040016 --> 00:07:55,448.29451781 They go and they like to make a fuss at the school, but they really did nothing to actually protect kids, but they were relishing in the drama, like they loved it. 144 00:07:55,595.35334134 --> 00:07:58,918.8827531 If that was my parents, that a hundred percent would take my phone off me. 145 00:07:59,389.4709884 --> 00:08:02,360.05922369 They'd have been like, you can't get no texts if you hate got no phone. 146 00:08:02,360.05922369 --> 00:08:05,565.94157663 I think there's also the other element of my parents wouldn't want other people to know. 147 00:08:05,644.37294918 --> 00:08:08,56.13765506 These women are making a huge fuss. 148 00:08:08,56.13765506 --> 00:08:10,232.6082433 They're running into the school, they're screaming at the principal. 149 00:08:10,232.6082433 --> 00:08:12,320.84353742 They're making a real ordeal out of it. 150 00:08:12,717.90236094 --> 00:08:15,159.07883153 My mom would be like, oh, keep it under wraps. 151 00:08:15,159.07883153 --> 00:08:16,482.6082433 You know, we'll have these private conversations. 152 00:08:16,580.64745898 --> 00:08:17,845.35334134 They wouldn't want the chatter. 153 00:08:17,874.76510604 --> 00:08:19,904.17687075 Your mom would've taken your phone off you? Yeah. 154 00:08:20,315.94157663 --> 00:08:20,492.41216487 Oh yeah. 155 00:08:20,507.11804722 --> 00:08:21,213.00040016 I might not phone. 156 00:08:21,213.00040016 --> 00:08:22,963.00040016 I go back to my point, you ain't get no text. 157 00:08:22,963.00040016 --> 00:08:23,992.41216487 You've got no phone. 158 00:08:24,21.82392957 --> 00:08:24,463.00040016 Correct. 159 00:08:24,512.020008 --> 00:08:27,717.90236094 So absolutely ridiculous that we get to this point. 160 00:08:28,617.90236094 --> 00:08:37,382.6082433 The cops get involved and it just keeps escalating and escalating and eventually the FBI's brought in and they're like, let's shut this circus down. 161 00:08:38,282.6082433 --> 00:08:39,988.49059624 They get all the data. 162 00:08:40,47.31412565 --> 00:08:52,547.31412565 They look at where the IP numbers of the phones are coming, of the text messages are coming from, and they find that there is the phone number from the anonymous messages and the phone number of another person they match. 163 00:08:52,841.43177271 --> 00:08:55,929.66706683 And that turns out to be Lauren. 164 00:08:55,959.07883153 --> 00:08:57,370.84353742 The 13 year old's own mother. 165 00:08:57,723.78471389 --> 00:09:01,459.07883153 Her mother was sending her for, mind you, years. 166 00:09:02,414.96118447 --> 00:09:04,767.90236094 Horrendous abusive messages. 167 00:09:04,919.86314526 --> 00:09:09,944.37294918 Sexually explicit, completely disgusting, absolutely foul. 168 00:09:09,944.37294918 --> 00:09:10,3.19647859 Ugh. 169 00:09:11,3.19647859 --> 00:09:12,414.96118447 So it's the own mother. 170 00:09:12,493.39255702 --> 00:09:16,228.68667467 And her husband's is there and he's just, he's shocked. 171 00:09:16,405.15726291 --> 00:09:21,375.7454982 I loved his reaction because I saw when they came in, I'm like, what's happening? I'm waiting for her reaction. 172 00:09:21,375.7454982 --> 00:09:21,463.98079232 Mm-hmm. 173 00:09:21,699.27490996 --> 00:09:25,934.56902761 She seems fine, weirdly, but the husband, that's what I need. 174 00:09:25,934.56902761 --> 00:09:27,846.33373349 I needed one parent to do something. 175 00:09:27,934.56902761 --> 00:09:28,316.92196879 Yes. 176 00:09:28,316.92196879 --> 00:09:29,111.03961585 They did nothing. 177 00:09:29,111.03961585 --> 00:09:29,434.56902761 Yeah. 178 00:09:30,424.76510604 --> 00:09:31,537.51020408 The FBI rocks up. 179 00:09:31,537.51020408 --> 00:09:37,655.15726291 They charge her and she pleads guilty to two counts of stalking a minor she's sentenced to between 19 months and five years. 180 00:09:37,655.15726291 --> 00:09:38,684.56902761 And that's, it. 181 00:09:38,684.56902761 --> 00:09:39,625.7454982 Spends a year in prison. 182 00:09:39,684.56902761 --> 00:09:40,66.92196879 Okay. 183 00:09:40,449.27490996 --> 00:09:48,797.31412565 And during that year, she spends a lot of it like talking to her daughter every day and stalkers, she's now on parole while on earth. 184 00:09:48,831.62785114 --> 00:09:49,743.39255702 She did this documentary. 185 00:09:49,743.39255702 --> 00:09:51,302.21608643 Gab is absolutely beyond me. 186 00:09:51,419.86314526 --> 00:09:52,331.62785114 Absolutely bizarre. 187 00:09:52,449.27490996 --> 00:09:54,400.25530212 But there's no remorse either. 188 00:09:54,459.07883153 --> 00:09:55,17.90236094 No, she. 189 00:09:55,297.31412565 --> 00:09:58,3.19647859 Totally minimizes her horrific behavior. 190 00:09:58,179.66706683 --> 00:09:58,503.19647859 Yeah. 191 00:09:59,13.00040016 --> 00:10:01,483.58863545 If you haven't watched unknown number, highly recommend it. 192 00:10:01,513.00040016 --> 00:10:03,365.94157663 We've, and mind you, we've spoiled it, but it's pretty obvi. 193 00:10:03,513.00040016 --> 00:10:10,218.8827531 Like I, I've at the start, you know, straight away you look at those parents and go, then there's not much happening in their lives. 194 00:10:10,218.8827531 --> 00:10:11,660.05922369 Small town, bit of drama. 195 00:10:11,689.4709884 --> 00:10:13,924.76510604 It's probably the biggest thing that ever happened in Bill, let's be honest. 196 00:10:14,101.23569428 --> 00:10:16,336.52981192 And probably the biggest thing that ever will happen in Bill. 197 00:10:16,336.52981192 --> 00:10:17,42.41216487 Absolutely. 198 00:10:19,361.64745835 --> 00:10:27,281.64745835 After the last sip of coffee on a Saturday afternoon, three people dead. 199 00:10:27,881.64745835 --> 00:10:32,111.64745835 One more clinging to life from the fatal mushrooms. 200 00:10:32,591.64745835 --> 00:10:40,146.64745835 At the beef Wellington Mu, we bring you the death diaries. 201 00:10:44,447.94157663 --> 00:10:45,889.11804722 Ah, that was the last time I got to play it. 202 00:10:45,947.94157663 --> 00:10:47,124.41216487 Oh, I love that song. 203 00:10:47,242.05922369 --> 00:10:47,418.52981192 Yes. 204 00:10:48,281.27490996 --> 00:10:51,45.98079232 The mushroom murder saga is over legally, at least. 205 00:10:51,75.39255702 --> 00:10:58,75.39255702 Erin Patterson has been sentenced in the Supreme Court of Victoria Life, imprisonment for the murders of her relatives. 206 00:10:58,75.39255702 --> 00:11:06,840.09843938 Attending a lunch 25 years for the attempted murder of Ian Wilkinson and Justice be has set a non-pro period of 33 years translation. 207 00:11:07,104.80432173 --> 00:11:10,310.68667467 Erin will be 82 before she can even ask to get out. 208 00:11:10,663.62785114 --> 00:11:13,781.27490996 And honestly, I thought she'd cop closer to 38 years. 209 00:11:13,781.27490996 --> 00:11:14,516.56902761 But hey, what. 210 00:11:15,163.62785114 --> 00:11:17,457.7454982 Five years between friends or you know, victims. 211 00:11:17,634.21608643 --> 00:11:18,193.03961585 Well, it's nothing. 212 00:11:18,193.03961585 --> 00:11:19,663.62785114 I mean, 82 life's over. 213 00:11:19,702.84353742 --> 00:11:20,555.78471389 It's all done. 214 00:11:20,585.19647859 --> 00:11:21,114.6082433 She's done. 215 00:11:21,291.07883153 --> 00:11:21,555.78471389 Yeah. 216 00:11:21,761.66706683 --> 00:11:25,467.54941977 I'm just curious, will the kids wanna stay in contact with her? I reckon so. 217 00:11:25,943.03961585 --> 00:11:26,227.35334134 Yeah. 218 00:11:26,227.35334134 --> 00:11:29,242.05922369 Do you think? Yeah, I reckon she'll keep in contact with them. 219 00:11:29,448.13765506 --> 00:11:31,730.8827531 Fascinating And justice spiel. 220 00:11:31,828.92196879 --> 00:11:35,108.33373349 Will, when he came out right? He didn't really mince the words. 221 00:11:35,196.56902761 --> 00:11:42,255.39255702 He was pretty blunt and said the deliberate administration of the poisonous mushrooms was an act of calculated wickedness. 222 00:11:42,696.56902761 --> 00:11:48,431.86314526 I, I feel like everything I've heard from today is really not embellished. 223 00:11:48,431.86314526 --> 00:11:49,402.45138055 Just here's the facts. 224 00:11:49,402.45138055 --> 00:11:49,873.03961585 Here it is. 225 00:11:49,873.03961585 --> 00:11:50,873.03961585 Everyone needs to know. 226 00:11:51,873.03961585 --> 00:11:53,990.68667467 He basically called her the wicked witch of the suburbs. 227 00:11:54,108.33373349 --> 00:11:54,373.03961585 Yeah. 228 00:11:55,373.03961585 --> 00:11:59,471.07883153 Annie also hit on her on the lies, your version of events was inconsistent. 229 00:11:59,471.07883153 --> 00:12:01,471.07883153 It was self-serving and it was not critical. 230 00:12:01,912.25530212 --> 00:12:10,441.66706683 And that's his way of saying, Erin, we've all seen the videos and nothing you did or said made sense. 231 00:12:10,779.90236094 --> 00:12:11,44.6082433 No. 232 00:12:11,44.6082433 --> 00:12:12,603.43177271 Everything made it worse, really. 233 00:12:12,721.07883153 --> 00:12:16,368.13765506 And when it came to remorse, what did you think happened? Nothing. 234 00:12:16,446.56902761 --> 00:12:25,711.27490996 Erin, as we have seen throughout her entire case, was just that same energy, that deadpan stone face like she's auditioning for a horror film. 235 00:12:25,975.98079232 --> 00:12:31,858.33373349 And one journalist swore that she stared down the press for a good 20 seconds. 236 00:12:32,152.45138055 --> 00:12:33,917.15726291 On the way out that actually happened. 237 00:12:33,917.15726291 --> 00:12:36,387.7454982 They said that she was on her way to the cells. 238 00:12:36,387.7454982 --> 00:12:39,770.09843938 She stopped, she'd stared at the press pack and they were just sitting there. 239 00:12:39,770.09843938 --> 00:12:44,417.15726291 They've got no phones, no cameras because you're allowed, they weren't allowed to like take pictures of them, just the memory. 240 00:12:44,593.62785114 --> 00:12:47,711.27490996 And she just stopped and stared at them for 20 seconds and then kept moving. 241 00:12:47,946.56902761 --> 00:12:49,270.09843938 There's something like the heebie Jesus. 242 00:12:49,270.09843938 --> 00:12:51,593.62785114 It's absolutely terrifying. 243 00:12:51,598.52981192 --> 00:12:51,804.41216487 Ugh. 244 00:12:52,704.41216487 --> 00:12:53,27.94157663 Gab. 245 00:12:53,27.94157663 --> 00:12:55,57.35334134 I was actually on the ground in Corum borough today. 246 00:12:55,116.17687075 --> 00:12:56,233.82392957 Yes, you were. 247 00:12:56,263.23569428 --> 00:12:57,204.41216487 By coincidence. 248 00:12:57,204.41216487 --> 00:12:58,322.05922369 But I do love that. 249 00:12:58,322.05922369 --> 00:13:01,939.70628251 And what was the chatter? What was the happenings in Corum Borough? Oh, absolutely nothing. 250 00:13:01,939.70628251 --> 00:13:02,351.4709884 It was dead. 251 00:13:02,616.17687075 --> 00:13:03,910.29451781 Oh, it's a shame actually. 252 00:13:04,175.00040016 --> 00:13:04,469.11804722 Yeah. 253 00:13:04,469.11804722 --> 00:13:07,263.23569428 I was hoping I might've seen like one Channel seven like newsletter. 254 00:13:07,380.8827531 --> 00:13:07,498.52981192 Yeah. 255 00:13:07,498.52981192 --> 00:13:07,851.4709884 Nothing. 256 00:13:07,910.29451781 --> 00:13:14,645.58863545 She was being sentenced though in Supreme Court and I think like there was a lot in Karin Borough and Lee and Gutha when she was actually found guilty, but. 257 00:13:14,998.52981192 --> 00:13:15,851.4709884 For today? Nothing. 258 00:13:15,880.8827531 --> 00:13:16,645.58863545 Nothing. 259 00:13:16,998.52981192 --> 00:13:25,175.00040016 And then what about Ian Wilkinson? He gave a short speech outside of court, and I think he's literally the nicest person in Australia. 260 00:13:25,351.4709884 --> 00:13:26,86.76510604 Comes outta court. 261 00:13:26,116.17687075 --> 00:13:27,57.35334134 Thanks the community. 262 00:13:27,86.76510604 --> 00:13:27,822.05922369 Thanks, the police. 263 00:13:27,822.05922369 --> 00:13:28,57.35334134 Thanks. 264 00:13:28,57.35334134 --> 00:13:31,322.05922369 The courts says he hopes everyone can move forward with forgiveness. 265 00:13:31,586.76510604 --> 00:13:34,969.11804722 He forgave Aaron during his victim impact statements. 266 00:13:35,57.35334134 --> 00:13:41,792.64745898 He reflected on the beautiful lives of his wife, Heather, and his dear friends Gail And. 267 00:13:42,302.45138055 --> 00:13:44,420.09843938 He really took the high road, didn't he? I mean, I did it. 268 00:13:44,420.09843938 --> 00:13:45,331.86314526 I mean, he's religious. 269 00:13:45,331.86314526 --> 00:13:48,625.98079232 I expected that, but honestly, so admirable. 270 00:13:48,625.98079232 --> 00:13:49,302.45138055 He's, you are right. 271 00:13:49,302.45138055 --> 00:13:50,37.7454982 He's lost his wife. 272 00:13:50,37.7454982 --> 00:13:50,567.15726291 He's lost. 273 00:13:50,802.45138055 --> 00:13:51,508.33373349 Sorry, Donald. 274 00:13:51,684.80432173 --> 00:13:52,8.33373349 Sorry. 275 00:13:52,37.7454982 --> 00:13:53,96.56902761 Family, dear friends. 276 00:13:53,96.56902761 --> 00:13:53,743.62785114 Gail and Donald. 277 00:13:53,861.27490996 --> 00:13:55,96.56902761 Yes, exactly. 278 00:13:55,508.33373349 --> 00:14:01,763.23569428 Wait, wasn't it friend? They were kind of relatives, weren't they? Gail was the sister, his wife's sister. 279 00:14:02,322.05922369 --> 00:14:02,851.4709884 Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 280 00:14:02,851.4709884 --> 00:14:02,885.78471389 Yeah. 281 00:14:03,885.78471389 --> 00:14:08,488.72589036 The living definition of turning the other cheek while Erin is just working on a villain, a stare. 282 00:14:08,988.72589036 --> 00:14:12,329.90236094 Gosh, this has a very interesting question, gab. 283 00:14:12,682.84353741 --> 00:14:12,976.96118447 Yeah. 284 00:14:12,976.96118447 --> 00:14:17,937.7454982 What would you do with your 33 years inside Finally lose those kgs. 285 00:14:18,114.21608643 --> 00:14:20,614.21608643 No, but like honestly, I think about this often. 286 00:14:20,790.68667467 --> 00:14:25,864.21608643 If someone else was controlling what I ate, my routine, my. 287 00:14:26,349.51020408 --> 00:14:28,555.39255702 Fitness, health, like everything. 288 00:14:28,820.09843938 --> 00:14:31,614.21608643 I think I'd be in like a prime way. 289 00:14:31,643.62785114 --> 00:14:34,349.51020408 I think I'd be ripped, I think I'd be healthy. 290 00:14:34,712.25530212 --> 00:14:35,624.020008 I've seen Shaw Shank. 291 00:14:35,624.020008 --> 00:14:37,918.13765506 I'm gonna get, I'm going to go to the library. 292 00:14:37,918.13765506 --> 00:14:41,94.6082433 I'm gonna learn, I'm going to become a psychologist. 293 00:14:41,212.25530212 --> 00:14:41,300.49059624 Mm-hmm. 294 00:14:41,565.19647859 --> 00:14:43,918.13765506 You know, all the facilities I will be using. 295 00:14:43,947.54941977 --> 00:14:47,212.25530212 So you are gonna be all about self-improvement and Totally. 296 00:14:47,300.49059624 --> 00:14:47,359.31412565 Okay. 297 00:14:47,359.31412565 --> 00:14:48,594.6082433 You've gotta make the most out of it. 298 00:14:48,594.6082433 --> 00:14:49,6.37294918 Right. 299 00:14:49,290.68667467 --> 00:14:54,202.45138055 While I agree with you, like I would get about eight PhDs and like really maximize the free education. 300 00:14:54,261.27490996 --> 00:14:54,790.68667467 Yes. 301 00:14:54,878.92196879 --> 00:14:59,967.1572629 I would just live in the fact that I'm now gonna be wearing tracksuit pants for the rest of my life. 302 00:15:00,673.03961585 --> 00:15:02,261.27490996 I'm in all women's prison. 303 00:15:02,584.80432173 --> 00:15:04,320.09843938 I don't really care about my appearance. 304 00:15:04,555.39255702 --> 00:15:11,290.68667467 I looked it up and Erin is able to put a hundred dollars of commissary, which is like money to spend on like Tuck shop. 305 00:15:11,437.7454982 --> 00:15:11,790.68667467 Yes. 306 00:15:11,839.70628251 --> 00:15:15,780.8827531 I would just make sure that I had a way of making sure that I had that a hundred dollars coming in every week. 307 00:15:15,780.8827531 --> 00:15:17,663.23569428 How much is that for 30? I mean, let's do the math. 308 00:15:17,957.35334134 --> 00:15:18,780.8827531 A hundred bucks a week. 309 00:15:18,780.8827531 --> 00:15:26,222.05922369 How much money does she need in savings for this? So Erin, but 33 years times 52 times a hundred. 310 00:15:26,222.05922369 --> 00:15:28,280.8827531 A hundred, she's gonna need 170. 311 00:15:28,280.8827531 --> 00:15:29,869.11804722 1,600. 312 00:15:29,874.020008 --> 00:15:31,222.05922369 And I say, so she need her. 313 00:15:31,222.05922369 --> 00:15:32,751.4709884 She can get compounding interest on that. 314 00:15:32,751.4709884 --> 00:15:36,663.23569428 So let's say she's gonna need the errand to have a cash flow. 315 00:15:36,692.64745898 --> 00:15:36,810.29451781 Yes. 316 00:15:36,810.29451781 --> 00:15:37,927.94157663 To support her books. 317 00:15:38,104.41216487 --> 00:15:38,795.58863545 150 grand. 318 00:15:39,413.23569428 --> 00:15:43,295.58863545 150 grand so she can have, you know, her biscuits with her TV every day. 319 00:15:43,589.70628251 --> 00:15:48,972.05922369 If I was gonna prison for the rest of my life, I would exist on Coke, zero shortbread creams. 320 00:15:48,972.05922369 --> 00:15:49,736.76510604 Oh my god. 321 00:15:49,736.76510604 --> 00:15:50,653.43177271 I love the shortbread cream. 322 00:15:50,673.03961585 --> 00:15:53,60.29451781 And they are the most elite aren't biscuits. 323 00:15:53,60.29451781 --> 00:15:53,869.11804722 Yeah, theyre so under, under. 324 00:15:54,89.70628251 --> 00:15:59,972.05922369 I did actually check though, 'cause when I checked how much she could put on her books, I also looked at like the little ordering form and I definitely had those. 325 00:16:00,545.58863545 --> 00:16:02,192.64745898 You could get the, you could fit the variety pack. 326 00:16:02,192.64745898 --> 00:16:03,839.70628251 Well, like, like a little lunchbox. 327 00:16:03,869.11804722 --> 00:16:05,16.17687075 Like you order No, it's a touch shop. 328 00:16:05,16.17687075 --> 00:16:08,75.00040016 You can just, no, you can just order like junk food. 329 00:16:08,163.23569428 --> 00:16:09,251.4709884 Oh my goodness. 330 00:16:09,545.58863545 --> 00:16:10,339.70628251 Do they, okay. 331 00:16:10,604.41216487 --> 00:16:11,45.58863545 I'm guessing. 332 00:16:11,45.58863545 --> 00:16:15,898.52981192 No, but do they have access to some like internet or Their computers are just completely intranet. 333 00:16:16,133.82392957 --> 00:16:17,192.64745898 It's like intranet. 334 00:16:17,222.05922369 --> 00:16:17,369.11804722 Yeah. 335 00:16:17,369.11804722 --> 00:16:18,310.29451781 The computers. 336 00:16:18,555.39255702 --> 00:16:21,614.21608643 But, and they can watch the tv, but they don't get internet or anything like that. 337 00:16:21,614.21608643 --> 00:16:21,624.020008 Yeah. 338 00:16:21,624.020008 --> 00:16:23,197.54941977 What if they got Netflix? I'm so curious. 339 00:16:24,97.54941977 --> 00:16:24,921.07883153 We should go for a visit. 340 00:16:25,921.07883153 --> 00:16:32,332.84353741 So Erin is now in good company with some other women, high profile murderers. 341 00:16:33,9.31412565 --> 00:16:38,274.020008 Many people thought that Erin was gonna get a non-pro period, so she'd be effectively in jail, rest of her life, throw away the key. 342 00:16:38,421.07883153 --> 00:16:40,509.3141256 She got a non-pro period of 33 years. 343 00:16:40,862.2553021 --> 00:16:44,244.6082433 The only other woman who got a non parole period is Catherine Knight. 344 00:16:44,538.7258904 --> 00:16:48,597.5494198 She was the woman who skinned her partner, cooked him in a stew, and served it to her children. 345 00:16:48,950.4905962 --> 00:16:49,538.7258904 Wow. 346 00:16:50,538.7258904 --> 00:16:57,274.020008 Is Erin killing three other people and nearly two others worse than what Catherine Knight did? Okay. 347 00:16:57,891.6670668 --> 00:17:17,626.9611845 Now that you say it that way, is it bad that I still see this woman who skins someone and fed it to a child as more evil than someone feeding someone mushrooms like it? If weirdly it feels like, is it the grotesque factor? I think it's like, there's not that, it's not deliberate, but you're kind of that step away. 348 00:17:17,897.3533413 --> 00:17:22,926.765106 It's like, I don't know, I put water on the the ground so someone would sleep on it. 349 00:17:22,985.5886355 --> 00:17:24,338.5298119 It's like it's not very direct. 350 00:17:24,485.5886355 --> 00:17:25,936.5690276 Yes, yes, yes. 351 00:17:26,367.9415766 --> 00:17:30,127.7454982 I thought her sentence was gonna be higher to teach other people a lesson. 352 00:17:30,309.1180472 --> 00:17:31,338.5298119 Like that rather in that direct Oh yeah. 353 00:17:31,451.27491 --> 00:17:32,304.2160864 Send a signal. 354 00:17:32,480.6866747 --> 00:17:33,833.6278511 Yeah, send a signal that you can't. 355 00:17:34,186.5690276 --> 00:17:36,598.3337335 Poison people and think you're gonna get away with it. 356 00:17:36,598.3337335 --> 00:17:38,98.3337335 Not that she did get away with it, to be honest. 357 00:17:38,98.3337335 --> 00:17:45,127.7454982 They probably should have because the, a matter of awareness that's raised on how accessible these poisonous mushrooms are is actually probably concerning. 358 00:17:45,215.9807923 --> 00:17:45,539.5102041 Yeah. 359 00:17:45,980.6866747 --> 00:17:49,392.4513806 I also think that Justice Bial gave her non-pro period. 360 00:17:49,421.8631453 --> 00:17:53,539.5102041 'cause he wanted to avoid an appeal to say that it was grossly unfair. 361 00:17:54,98.3337335 --> 00:17:55,186.5690276 And I think he's done with this. 362 00:17:55,186.5690276 --> 00:17:56,921.8631453 He's like, I'm doing open justice. 363 00:17:56,921.8631453 --> 00:18:00,568.9219688 So one of the key things with the sentencing is that it was. 364 00:18:01,260.0984394 --> 00:18:04,760.0984394 Recorded and the news channels were allowed to air it. 365 00:18:05,54.2160864 --> 00:18:15,377.7454982 They weren't allowed to do any advertising, but it was really one of the first in that Justice S Bill wanted people to hear his remarks, but he wanted to be very clear, very direct, and that is very different. 366 00:18:15,377.7454982 --> 00:18:18,936.5690276 And I think this case was the perfect position for him to do that. 367 00:18:19,495.392557 --> 00:18:20,877.7454982 Just to prevent people. 368 00:18:20,907.1572629 --> 00:18:23,289.5102041 And it effectively puts it to rest, I think is what I'm trying to say. 369 00:18:23,289.5102041 --> 00:18:25,171.8631453 It does, and it, it got global traction. 370 00:18:25,171.8631453 --> 00:18:27,701.27491 I think that was the only way to close the book. 371 00:18:27,760.0984394 --> 00:18:27,965.9807923 Yeah. 372 00:18:27,965.9807923 --> 00:18:28,289.5102041 A hundred. 373 00:18:28,318.9219688 --> 00:18:29,142.4513806 It needed to happen. 374 00:18:30,142.4513806 --> 00:18:31,642.4513806 And Gab, let's be real. 375 00:18:31,642.4513806 --> 00:18:32,289.5102041 This isn't over. 376 00:18:32,524.8043217 --> 00:18:35,465.9807923 This is the beginning of the Erin Patterson cinematic universe. 377 00:18:35,495.392557 --> 00:18:39,83.6278511 Can I just say finally, now we wait. 378 00:18:39,142.4513806 --> 00:18:43,495.392557 The documentaries, the docuseries, the movie interpretations. 379 00:18:43,495.392557 --> 00:18:51,774.8043217 Do you reckon we'll get a musical, like something akin to Muriel's wedding? Maybe, and it would be Aussie and it would be indie, wouldn't it? It wouldn't be. 380 00:18:51,774.8043217 --> 00:18:55,691.4709884 It would that good, would it? It would be good to us, but no one else will understand. 381 00:18:55,720.8827531 --> 00:18:55,809.1180472 Yes. 382 00:18:55,809.1180472 --> 00:18:58,191.4709884 But if they make it good for everyone else, it'll be awful. 383 00:18:58,367.9415766 --> 00:18:59,897.3533413 And cringe and super cringe. 384 00:18:59,897.3533413 --> 00:19:00,191.4709884 Yeah. 385 00:19:00,456.1768707 --> 00:19:05,15.0004002 And who do you think's gonna play? Erin? I think it's Katu and Rhonda. 386 00:19:05,15.0004002 --> 00:19:05,809.1180472 I think it's Rhonda. 387 00:19:05,867.9415766 --> 00:19:07,309.1180472 You know who I'm talking about? Yes. 388 00:19:07,309.1180472 --> 00:19:08,715.9807923 That is a good, like a sun raise. 389 00:19:08,926.765106 --> 00:19:09,809.1180472 Good shout. 390 00:19:10,367.9415766 --> 00:19:12,456.1768707 I think it'll be Boomer from Wentworth. 391 00:19:12,632.647459 --> 00:19:14,603.2356943 Her name is Katrina Sek. 392 00:19:15,162.0592237 --> 00:19:18,583.6278511 I think she'll be the perfect, yeah, there's gonna be a variety. 393 00:19:18,583.6278511 --> 00:19:20,701.27491 Like we can kind of see who does the best, Erin. 394 00:19:20,730.6866747 --> 00:19:22,142.4513806 'cause there will be multiple. 395 00:19:22,554.2160864 --> 00:19:22,995.392557 There will. 396 00:19:22,995.392557 --> 00:19:23,818.9219688 And I can't wait. 397 00:19:24,201.27491 --> 00:19:24,936.5690276 Cannot wait. 398 00:19:26,897.5886355 --> 00:19:29,691.7062825 So Clint, yesterday was Father's Day. 399 00:19:29,868.1768707 --> 00:19:29,956.4121649 Mm-hmm. 400 00:19:30,485.8239296 --> 00:19:38,44.647459 And so I thought it might be interesting to actually talk about what it means to be a father now in 2025 versus say. 401 00:19:38,427.0004002 --> 00:19:41,191.7062825 Back in the 1960s. 402 00:19:41,196.6082433 --> 00:19:41,441.7062825 Mm-hmm. 403 00:19:41,696.6082433 --> 00:19:45,809.3533413 Uh, and when I started looking into this, there's been a significant change. 404 00:19:45,927.0004002 --> 00:19:46,15.2356943 Mm-hmm. 405 00:19:46,485.8239296 --> 00:19:54,591.7062825 Flashback to fathers in 1965 and how much time they spent with their kids. 406 00:19:55,297.5886355 --> 00:20:03,415.2356943 Guess how much you think it would be per day? Maybe an hour? No, 16 minutes a day on childcare. 407 00:20:03,841.7062825 --> 00:20:06,371.1180472 16 minutes you say? In the 1965. 408 00:20:06,454.4513806 --> 00:20:20,925.0396158 And what we found out recently is that millennial men, men who are fathers, so born between 1981 and 1996, are the first generation of fathers to consistently spend more time with their kids than their own dads. 409 00:20:21,27.9807923 --> 00:20:34,792.6866747 Fast forward 2016, how many minutes or hours a day do you think dads are spending with their kids? Alright, so in 1965, the fathers would've been the primary bed bread winner. 410 00:20:34,880.9219688 --> 00:20:34,998.5690276 Mm-hmm. 411 00:20:35,233.8631453 --> 00:20:39,175.0396158 And they would've gone to work while the women work at home in 2016. 412 00:20:39,175.0396158 --> 00:20:45,189.7454982 It's more likely than not that women are also working because you generally now need to survive two incomes. 413 00:20:46,189.7454982 --> 00:20:49,836.8043217 I'm gonna say maybe it's not gonna be as much as the women. 414 00:20:50,189.7454982 --> 00:20:58,560.3337335 You work eight hours a day, you sleep at eight hours and you have eight hours sort of for the home life, I'm gonna say three hours. 415 00:20:59,501.5102041 --> 00:21:02,325.0396158 It's actually one hour and 23 minutes. 416 00:21:02,413.27491 --> 00:21:03,177.9807923 Not much time. 417 00:21:03,236.8043217 --> 00:21:04,60.3337335 It's not much time. 418 00:21:04,60.3337335 --> 00:21:08,530.9219688 I think if you look at a weekday, say when you're working, I still think it's about half the time of a day. 419 00:21:08,530.9219688 --> 00:21:11,707.392557 You'd expect, I would expect an hour and a half in the morning, hour and a half at night. 420 00:21:11,795.6278511 --> 00:21:11,883.8631453 Mm-hmm. 421 00:21:12,413.27491 --> 00:21:14,354.4513806 But then you take into account weekends. 422 00:21:14,707.392557 --> 00:21:17,619.1572629 Mm, what's your excuse? Exactly. 423 00:21:17,619.1572629 --> 00:21:19,60.3337335 So that should actually bump it up. 424 00:21:19,70.1376551 --> 00:21:20,217.1964786 It's quite low really. 425 00:21:20,589.7454982 --> 00:21:21,883.8631453 So that's 2016. 426 00:21:22,177.9807923 --> 00:21:23,883.8631453 But COVID has happened since then. 427 00:21:23,883.8631453 --> 00:21:23,972.0984394 Mm-hmm. 428 00:21:23,977.9807923 --> 00:21:24,653.4709884 And that certainly has, its. 429 00:21:25,511.3141256 --> 00:21:31,864.2553021 Sated the time, and fathers have become now more so these primary caregivers for part for the day. 430 00:21:32,217.1964786 --> 00:21:40,305.4317727 In 2023, a Gallup survey showed that 58% of fathers under 40 say that they want equal share of childcare. 431 00:21:40,628.9611845 --> 00:21:46,628.9611845 And you look at that versus 35% of Gen X dads that want the same. 432 00:21:46,874.0592237 --> 00:21:51,854.4513806 And what about the mothers? How much time do they spend in this study? Really interesting that you ask. 433 00:21:51,854.4513806 --> 00:21:52,413.27491 So. 434 00:21:53,413.27491 --> 00:21:56,442.6866747 With the men are certainly, or fathers are certainly not saints yet. 435 00:21:56,447.5886355 --> 00:22:08,119.1572629 There's a, there's a bit that needs to be done because despite all this change, women are still carrying most of the load and actually mothers still spend double the hours on childcare, even post COVID. 436 00:22:08,619.1572629 --> 00:22:18,658.3729492 You are contributing to the household income, you are doing more childcare and how do we move away from that? Because the feminist angle here. 437 00:22:19,378.9611845 --> 00:22:24,173.0788315 To get better equity for women in the workforce and productivity, there should be more equity in the home as well. 438 00:22:24,526.020008 --> 00:22:33,261.3141256 There should be, and now the trend line is certainly going the right way, but it is so slow we have the data and millennials. 439 00:22:33,261.3141256 --> 00:22:36,202.4905962 What about the Gen Zs? What about Gen Alpha? Mm. 440 00:22:36,202.4905962 --> 00:22:41,526.020008 What we really need is more normalizing of male caregiving to allow that. 441 00:22:42,40.7258904 --> 00:22:52,334.8435374 Flexibility for women to feel like they can go back to the workplace and have a career that they feel like they don't have the mental load that so often so many women talk about. 442 00:22:52,452.4905962 --> 00:22:52,540.7258904 Mm-hmm. 443 00:22:52,776.020008 --> 00:22:57,785.8239296 Um, organizing their kids and, you know, domestic labor, everything like that. 444 00:22:58,217.1964786 --> 00:23:01,84.8435374 And also more of a trend, which I certainly started, but. 445 00:23:01,584.8435374 --> 00:23:08,231.9023609 That identity of fatherhood and actually that importance of having a relationship versus just being the breadwinner. 446 00:23:08,437.7847139 --> 00:23:08,820.1376551 I love it. 447 00:23:10,781.1572629 --> 00:23:12,251.7454982 Bit of a change of scenery now. 448 00:23:12,457.6278511 --> 00:23:12,545.8631453 Mm-hmm. 449 00:23:12,781.1572629 --> 00:23:13,197.8239296 Um, with the. 450 00:23:14,197.8239296 --> 00:23:15,256.647459 Topic, Claire. 451 00:23:15,991.9415766 --> 00:23:20,374.2945178 And that is something that I've been wanting to bring up and raise for a few weeks. 452 00:23:20,374.2945178 --> 00:23:21,139.0004002 And you keep saying no. 453 00:23:21,550.765106 --> 00:23:22,50.765106 Every week. 454 00:23:22,50.765106 --> 00:23:25,428.2160864 You're like, can we talk about the orcas? And I'm like, we need to talk about the orcas. 455 00:23:25,585.0788315 --> 00:23:26,604.6866747 We need to talk about the orcas. 456 00:23:27,227.2356943 --> 00:23:31,678.2160864 And what do we wanna talk about the orcas? Well, what do you wanna talk about? The orcas? I, let me preface here. 457 00:23:32,21.3533413 --> 00:23:37,21.3533413 I'm not a creep, but I don't wanna say, but I'm definitely not a creep. 458 00:23:37,550.765106 --> 00:23:38,227.2356943 However. 459 00:23:38,712.5298119 --> 00:23:42,359.5886355 This really sickens me and I want you to feel what I'm feeling right now. 460 00:23:42,389.0004002 --> 00:23:42,477.2356943 Mm-hmm. 461 00:23:42,712.5298119 --> 00:23:43,918.4121649 So I'd rather share this with everyone. 462 00:23:44,624.2945178 --> 00:23:50,241.9415766 There was a headline, which was about orca sexual stimulation. 463 00:23:50,859.5886355 --> 00:23:51,359.5886355 Yes. 464 00:23:51,389.0004002 --> 00:23:52,447.8239296 You heard that right. 465 00:23:53,153.7062825 --> 00:23:58,594.8827531 Trainers in France have been manually stimulating a killer whale. 466 00:23:59,594.8827531 --> 00:24:05,65.4709884 His name is, he's 14 years old, and you're probably wondering why. 467 00:24:05,889.0004002 --> 00:24:09,418.4121649 Is it for breeding? Is it to get the semen? No, no, no. 468 00:24:10,94.8827531 --> 00:24:14,936.0592237 Is it for science? No, it's so he doesn't sleep with his mother. 469 00:24:15,936.0592237 --> 00:24:16,436.0592237 Oh God. 470 00:24:17,171.3533413 --> 00:24:20,553.7062825 Sick, right? Oh, and that's the best they could come up with. 471 00:24:20,612.5298119 --> 00:24:21,200.765106 Yes. 472 00:24:21,200.765106 --> 00:24:24,465.4709884 It's to prevent the inbreeding with his mother Wilkie. 473 00:24:24,847.8239296 --> 00:24:32,612.5298119 And so the trainers are allegedly performing sexual stimulation, and the reason why this has come about is the park. 474 00:24:33,141.9415766 --> 00:24:36,83.1180472 That they're in because they're captured. 475 00:24:36,279.1964786 --> 00:24:42,14.4905962 And they're part of, I don't, I don't wanna say zoo, but essentially similar closed in January. 476 00:24:42,338.020008 --> 00:24:46,602.7258904 And there was, because there was protests of safety concerns. 477 00:24:46,838.020008 --> 00:24:50,573.3141256 And so because apparently orcas are social beings, you can't separate. 478 00:24:51,470.3729492 --> 00:24:51,529.1964786 Yeah. 479 00:24:52,58.6082433 --> 00:24:54,205.6670668 And so they have to keep him in the same Sure. 480 00:24:54,205.6670668 --> 00:24:55,293.9023609 There's better solutions to this. 481 00:24:55,293.9023609 --> 00:24:55,382.1376551 Cool. 482 00:24:55,411.5494198 --> 00:25:04,29.1964786 Like if the part's close, can't you just like get another, or can't you separate them? Can you send them to other, can you just put 'em back into the wild? I've not, they might've been br in captivity though. 483 00:25:04,29.1964786 --> 00:25:04,793.9023609 Like, they'll just die. 484 00:25:04,999.7847139 --> 00:25:09,205.6670668 Will they? Well, 'cause they don't, I mean, I'm ACA specialist, but he's getting special treatment. 485 00:25:09,205.6670668 --> 00:25:14,146.8435374 I he's certainly not got, can, can we not desex an orca? I don't know. 486 00:25:14,852.7258904 --> 00:25:17,852.7258904 I would hope that they've considered that and it's not possible because Sure, yeah. 487 00:25:17,852.7258904 --> 00:25:24,911.5494198 Why would you result in this? Why would you be like, I'm gonna live giving a orca a hand job daily. 488 00:25:24,911.5494198 --> 00:25:28,235.0788315 Imagine if that's career, a simple surgery to like desex them. 489 00:25:28,235.0788315 --> 00:25:31,764.4905962 So the trainers are either no, they have to be sick. 490 00:25:31,793.9023609 --> 00:25:32,382.1376551 I'm sorry. 491 00:25:32,440.9611845 --> 00:25:34,735.0788315 It's honestly, you're at the workplace. 492 00:25:34,735.0788315 --> 00:25:36,323.3141256 I go, there's a crisis. 493 00:25:36,323.3141256 --> 00:25:37,382.1376551 The park's closing. 494 00:25:37,588.020008 --> 00:25:42,264.4905962 I'm gonna need you to help little baby orca here. 495 00:25:42,352.7258904 --> 00:25:42,911.5494198 Masturbate. 496 00:25:43,705.6670668 --> 00:25:44,382.1376551 Every day. 497 00:25:44,499.7847139 --> 00:25:50,176.2553021 Did you this in the job description? I don't know, but I saw the, no, I don't wanna say footage. 498 00:25:50,293.9023609 --> 00:25:54,823.3141256 It was like a Google Maps, bird's eye view it's on it back. 499 00:25:54,823.3141256 --> 00:26:01,700.765106 How much research have you done into this? No, no, no, Not a lot, but like, he's like on his back and you can see it from the sky. 500 00:26:02,465.4709884 --> 00:26:15,975.27491 But also like how does the trainer not accidentally get drowned? 'cause aren't Orcas also known to like drown their trainers? Or is it killer whales? Honestly, I don't know, but it's really sickening me because it's really showing this desperation of captivity. 501 00:26:16,534.0984394 --> 00:26:20,847.8239296 If this is your solution the orca in the wild can live till 50. 502 00:26:21,847.8239296 --> 00:26:27,465.4709884 What are they gonna do now for the remaining, like for these, are they gonna do this for 35 years? Yeah, exactly. 503 00:26:27,465.4709884 --> 00:26:28,936.0592237 Just, no, they've gotta have a better solution. 504 00:26:28,936.0592237 --> 00:26:30,24.2945178 Something's gonna happen. 505 00:26:30,24.2945178 --> 00:26:31,818.4121649 I mean, they've been doing this for six months now. 506 00:26:31,818.4121649 --> 00:26:32,524.2945178 It's too long. 507 00:26:33,53.7062825 --> 00:26:41,318.4121649 And it's just really showing that explosive control over bodies certainly exists, even with animals for human convenience. 508 00:26:41,730.1768707 --> 00:26:44,259.5886355 Oh my God, this is, yeah. 509 00:26:44,289.0004002 --> 00:26:45,289.0004002 Good luck sleeping tonight. 510 00:26:45,965.4709884 --> 00:26:46,24.2945178 Ugh. 511 00:26:47,936.2945178 --> 00:26:49,406.8827531 All right, gab, picture this. 512 00:26:49,671.5886355 --> 00:26:50,259.8239296 You're on mute. 513 00:26:50,289.2356943 --> 00:26:51,24.5298119 Your camera's off. 514 00:26:51,730.4121649 --> 00:26:53,906.8827531 You are making a cup of coffee. 515 00:26:54,142.1768707 --> 00:26:55,995.1180472 You are humming to Sabrina Carpenter. 516 00:26:56,171.5886355 --> 00:26:57,995.1180472 You might be marinating 'cause you've just faked hand. 517 00:26:57,995.1180472 --> 00:26:59,24.5298119 It's 'cause it's a Friday. 518 00:26:59,24.5298119 --> 00:27:00,553.9415766 You're getting Oh, I'm, I'm working from home. 519 00:27:00,583.3533413 --> 00:27:00,995.1180472 You are out. 520 00:27:01,53.9415766 --> 00:27:01,436.2945178 Yeah. 521 00:27:01,436.2945178 --> 00:27:02,495.1180472 Your hair's a mess. 522 00:27:02,524.5298119 --> 00:27:03,230.4121649 It's in a barn. 523 00:27:03,495.1180472 --> 00:27:07,818.647459 You are wearing like the pajamas down the bottom, but your black work blouse up top. 524 00:27:08,718.647459 --> 00:27:17,806.8827531 And you find out that your work laptop is secretly recording every sound in your house and your camera is on without you knowing it's not Black Mirror. 525 00:27:17,865.7062825 --> 00:27:19,718.647459 This is Melbourne in 2025. 526 00:27:20,42.1768707 --> 00:27:23,748.0592237 Your company's doing it, and your company is a compliance training business. 527 00:27:24,648.0592237 --> 00:27:29,559.8239296 It, there's so many things wrong with this compliance training. 528 00:27:29,706.8827531 --> 00:27:30,353.9415766 Hilarious. 529 00:27:31,45.1180472 --> 00:27:33,270.6082433 But also, like you said, it's like black mirror. 530 00:27:33,329.4317727 --> 00:27:37,128.4513806 I guess with technology it was inevitable, but that is too close to home. 531 00:27:38,128.4513806 --> 00:27:38,804.9219688 Safe track. 532 00:27:38,893.1572629 --> 00:27:48,412.765106 The Victorian based company rolled out monitoring software Terra Mind, which is an American software company around mid-April 2025. 533 00:27:48,677.4709884 --> 00:27:54,883.3533413 Some of the laptops had mic and screen capture, which ran for long stretches. 534 00:27:55,353.9415766 --> 00:27:58,59.8239296 It was scooping up meetings and ambient home audio. 535 00:27:58,89.2356943 --> 00:27:59,535.3141256 So you are at home, you're talking to your partner. 536 00:28:00,231.392557 --> 00:28:05,525.5102041 And your boss can listen in, End of the day, if you're at home, I don't always shut down my computer. 537 00:28:05,790.2160864 --> 00:28:08,809.8239296 If it's just there, could they just, look in at night? Sure. 538 00:28:09,809.8239296 --> 00:28:20,172.5690276 I know, right? Two staff who objected to this surveillance when they realized what it was and when they looked up the software were locked out of their laptops and then dismissed for poor performance. 539 00:28:20,819.6278511 --> 00:28:23,231.392557 A third received work cover for anxiety. 540 00:28:23,824.5298119 --> 00:28:30,128.4513806 The police and regulators were notified by the staff and investigatings are live Safe track. 541 00:28:30,128.4513806 --> 00:28:32,569.6278511 Say staff consented via their employment contracts. 542 00:28:32,569.6278511 --> 00:28:35,981.392557 So your employment, it would say they have the right to do whatever they want with their laptops. 543 00:28:36,422.5690276 --> 00:28:39,716.6866747 But in Victoria, this is illegal. 544 00:28:40,422.5690276 --> 00:28:52,84.3337335 Is it illegal in all of Australia or just Victoria? In Victoria, the surveillance device is, act of 1999, makes a fence to use a listening device to overhear or record a private conversation without consent of each party. 545 00:28:52,84.3337335 --> 00:28:53,466.6866747 So both of us need a consent. 546 00:28:54,378.4513806 --> 00:28:57,54.9219688 Turning the mic to capture on home audio. 547 00:28:57,349.0396158 --> 00:28:59,113.7454982 That's a fence you can't jump. 548 00:28:59,437.27491 --> 00:29:01,701.9807923 So the penalties include fines and even prison. 549 00:29:01,701.9807923 --> 00:29:05,349.0396158 So the CEO is being investigated by Victorian police. 550 00:29:05,349.0396158 --> 00:29:06,378.4513806 It, it's actually a joke. 551 00:29:06,378.4513806 --> 00:29:08,701.9807923 A compliance company that is noncompliant. 552 00:29:08,731.392557 --> 00:29:15,878.4513806 Yeah, a recent Victorian parliamentary inquiry recommended that workplace surveillance must be reasonable, necessary, and proportionate. 553 00:29:15,932.3729492 --> 00:29:20,84.3337335 IIE, no carpet bomb spying, just reasonable actions. 554 00:29:20,84.3337335 --> 00:29:24,907.8631453 So things that you might expect your employer to do is, I'm sorry, but I surveillance. 555 00:29:25,496.0984394 --> 00:29:32,790.2160864 When is it? Okay? Your employer could look at data like, is your laptop being used or not? Like people talk about this team status. 556 00:29:32,790.2160864 --> 00:29:35,231.392557 Are you active? Are you away? Oh, true. 557 00:29:35,525.5102041 --> 00:29:35,760.8043217 Okay, fine. 558 00:29:35,790.2160864 --> 00:29:53,996.0984394 So, if I think about, um, my employer, if you don't log onto your laptop and you don't tell your your boss where you are, that sign that you have resigned, what if you are not using your laptop and you're working from home? That you have resigned and you don't tell your boss where you are, and you've got no reason to not be working. 559 00:29:53,996.0984394 --> 00:29:59,858.8435374 What if I've been hit by a bus? It'd be proportionate, but it could also be seen like absconding from your workplace. 560 00:29:59,858.8435374 --> 00:30:00,358.8435374 Yeah, fair enough. 561 00:30:00,358.8435374 --> 00:30:00,800.020008 Fair enough. 562 00:30:00,858.8435374 --> 00:30:01,94.1376551 Yeah. 563 00:30:01,994.1376551 --> 00:30:07,23.5494198 In New South Wales, the Workplace Surveillance Act requires prior written notice, often 14 days. 564 00:30:07,567.6670668 --> 00:30:13,861.7847139 For computer camera tracking surveillance, so they have to let them know, but covert monitoring is heavily restricted. 565 00:30:13,950.020008 --> 00:30:17,126.4905962 Okay? This is stuff you have to get like subpoenas and permission from courts to record. 566 00:30:18,126.4905962 --> 00:30:31,401.0004002 There's also a Federal act if you're covered by the Privacy Act, serious interferences and covert recording could be $50 million in penalty, and you can only collect what's reasonably necessarily fairly and transparently. 567 00:30:31,744.1376551 --> 00:30:39,918.647459 What is reasonable then? What can employers usually do? They can check for logins, periods of idle time at website use. 568 00:30:39,918.647459 --> 00:30:43,183.3533413 So if you're watching YouTube all day, they could potentially pick that up. 569 00:30:43,565.7062825 --> 00:30:50,899.0396158 Basic productivity metrics the occasional screenshot on work devices so they can screenshot what your screen is periodically. 570 00:30:51,46.0984394 --> 00:30:59,580.4121649 Now this is fascinating because so many employers, including, um, places I've worked at where you have a phone that is dual use. 571 00:31:00,580.4121649 --> 00:31:05,374.5298119 So what they can screenshot, 'cause you would have personal stuff on your phone as well as work stuff. 572 00:31:05,433.3533413 --> 00:31:05,609.8239296 Yeah. 573 00:31:05,614.7258904 --> 00:31:07,845.1180472 So if it's a work phone, they have the right to have a look at that. 574 00:31:08,139.2356943 --> 00:31:08,962.765106 That is so bad. 575 00:31:08,992.1768707 --> 00:31:11,315.7062825 But they probably wouldn't have the right to look at your personal device. 576 00:31:11,345.1180472 --> 00:31:11,580.4121649 Yeah. 577 00:31:12,21.5886355 --> 00:31:15,80.4121649 Uh, but what crosses the line is covert audio of your home life. 578 00:31:15,580.4121649 --> 00:31:19,462.765106 Always on webcam, anything, not disclosed anything disproportionate to the risk. 579 00:31:19,492.1768707 --> 00:31:19,698.0592237 Mm-hmm. 580 00:31:19,933.3533413 --> 00:31:21,109.8239296 And that's where they have been bitten. 581 00:31:22,109.8239296 --> 00:31:25,198.0592237 Just a PSA to anyone out there that's trying to like game the system. 582 00:31:25,433.3533413 --> 00:31:30,433.3533413 Math, jiggler macros, fake activity scripts, they don't work. 583 00:31:30,835.3141256 --> 00:31:34,629.4317727 You are creating a systematic kind of version of events. 584 00:31:34,952.9611845 --> 00:31:37,11.7847139 If you are caught, it's very deceptive. 585 00:31:37,11.7847139 --> 00:31:38,864.7258904 You're not gonna have a leg to stand on. 586 00:31:38,952.9611845 --> 00:31:39,482.3729492 That's true. 587 00:31:40,482.3729492 --> 00:31:40,923.5494198 And. 588 00:31:41,629.4317727 --> 00:31:52,766.6866747 What do you do? Like, I'm just trying to imagine being at home if this is happening, does the light switch on? What would you do if you're suspecting this dodgy surveillance behavior? What's the problem? You might not know what's happening. 589 00:31:53,90.2160864 --> 00:31:57,384.3337335 So if you think your employer is doing this, you can definitely ask if they're doing it. 590 00:31:58,60.8043217 --> 00:32:00,364.7258904 You could cover your, I mean, you shouldn't need to do this. 591 00:32:00,364.7258904 --> 00:32:07,864.7258904 Is that what happened in this case? In this case, they said that they were refusing to do it when they did their own research into the employer's actions. 592 00:32:08,747.0788315 --> 00:32:12,129.4317727 One thing though, I did wanna point out though, gab we're both managers. 593 00:32:13,129.4317727 --> 00:32:13,482.3729492 Yeah. 594 00:32:13,688.2553021 --> 00:32:30,11.7847139 Could we be put in a situation where we are being asked to break the law by monitoring our employees on behalf of our employers? What would you do? I, if the law, and thankfully the law is on our side here, I just don't know how comfortable I would feel. 595 00:32:30,70.6082433 --> 00:32:36,585.3141257 But when I was telling you about this Yeah, you said, well, they're allowed to do that, aren't they? I was like, no, it's illegal. 596 00:32:36,585.3141257 --> 00:32:48,928.4513806 Well, I thought that if it was written in the contract, which I think it is in some states, that they can, That's the problem, right? You're a manager, you get told, you go and listen to 10 hours of audio footage of Julian. 597 00:32:49,693.1572629 --> 00:32:53,786.2945178 Making coffee and having a fight with his wife, and that's so bad. 598 00:32:54,75.5102041 --> 00:32:54,251.9807923 Bad. 599 00:32:54,310.8043217 --> 00:32:59,693.1572629 An episode of Netflix when he should be working, we're as bad as that woman of the mother. 600 00:32:59,693.1572629 --> 00:33:01,541.1964786 You effectively maybe broken the law. 601 00:33:01,600.020008 --> 00:33:01,952.9611845 Yeah. 602 00:33:02,305.9023609 --> 00:33:03,247.0788315 And you had no idea. 603 00:33:03,537.0788315 --> 00:33:05,448.8435374 There's so many things wrong with this. 604 00:33:05,448.8435374 --> 00:33:09,360.6082433 I think there's other ways besides surveillance to find out information. 605 00:33:09,419.4317727 --> 00:33:17,586.0984394 The Victorian parliamentary report sets out how to test this and how, as a manager to stay out of the headlines and potentially handcuffs. 606 00:33:17,615.5102041 --> 00:33:17,762.5690276 Mm-hmm. 607 00:33:18,27.27491 --> 00:33:19,233.1572629 Start with outputs. 608 00:33:19,321.392557 --> 00:33:21,654.7258904 Don't worry about the micro. 609 00:33:22,522.3729492 --> 00:33:26,463.5494198 Set expectations, deliverables, and response times. 610 00:33:26,492.9611845 --> 00:33:26,787.0788315 Yeah. 611 00:33:27,51.7847139 --> 00:33:31,934.1376551 Be transparent with what you monitor and how you monitor and make sure it's documented. 612 00:33:32,934.1376551 --> 00:33:38,365.5102041 Never ever record anyone at home, so no ambient audio just don't even go there. 613 00:33:38,365.5102041 --> 00:33:39,591.0004002 They even said, don't go there. 614 00:33:40,414.5298119 --> 00:33:41,326.2945178 Don't retaliate. 615 00:33:41,326.2945178 --> 00:33:42,532.1768708 When staff raise concerns. 616 00:33:42,532.1768708 --> 00:33:50,752.765106 So if staff ask you, how are you doing this? Can I see the outputs? Can you provide this? Don't retaliate or become defensive. 617 00:33:50,929.2356943 --> 00:33:51,811.5886355 Be transparent. 618 00:33:51,841.0004002 --> 00:33:52,341.0004002 Yes. 619 00:33:52,546.8827531 --> 00:33:59,370.4121649 So employees know where they stand and reality check, even outside safe tracks pushback. 620 00:33:59,399.8239296 --> 00:34:02,752.765106 So they didn't think they've done anything wrong, but. 621 00:34:03,752.765106 --> 00:34:09,311.5886355 Other employers are actively looking into these technologies and how they can do it without effectively breaking the law. 622 00:34:09,370.4121649 --> 00:34:11,488.0592237 It completely severs your culture. 623 00:34:11,517.4709884 --> 00:34:15,341.0004002 The trust is gone between employer and employee a hundred percent. 624 00:34:15,341.0004002 --> 00:34:17,747.8631453 If you are getting to this point, you've got a bigger problem. 625 00:34:18,747.8631453 --> 00:34:30,836.0984394 But the last thing I was gonna say though, gab, at what point do we trade work from home and accept surveillance? And what I mean by that is if you wanna work from home, this is what you need to be okay with. 626 00:34:30,924.3337335 --> 00:34:31,189.0396158 Yeah. 627 00:34:31,600.8043217 --> 00:34:36,365.5102041 To stop this productivity paranoia that's being said, that, people are not productive when they work from home. 628 00:34:37,365.5102041 --> 00:34:39,277.27491 I just feel like they've put baby in the corner. 629 00:34:39,277.27491 --> 00:34:40,610.6082433 You know what I mean? I hate it. 630 00:34:41,610.6082433 --> 00:34:41,875.3141257 Yeah. 631 00:34:41,934.1376551 --> 00:34:45,904.7258904 Would I go to the o if they were doing that? I think, yeah, I'd go to the office. 632 00:34:45,934.1376551 --> 00:34:47,252.765106 'cause But you would be happy? I don't would 'cause wouldn't happy you wouldn't. 633 00:34:47,640.020008 --> 00:34:47,787.0788315 No. 634 00:34:47,787.0788315 --> 00:34:48,963.5494198 You wouldn't be happy about it. 635 00:34:48,963.5494198 --> 00:34:51,140.020008 But I wouldn't want someone invading my privacy. 636 00:34:51,434.1376551 --> 00:35:02,649.8239296 So I think that's where we're gonna get to is more and more of these softwares are coming up and they will be adapted to different countries and their laws, and they will know exactly what they can and can't do. 637 00:35:03,61.5886355 --> 00:35:05,267.4709884 But I think people are gonna start being closely measured. 638 00:35:06,159.6278511 --> 00:35:11,130.2160864 It's happened right here in Melbourne, where else is it happening? It's creepy. 639 00:35:11,130.2160864 --> 00:35:11,865.5102041 It's disturbing. 640 00:35:13,826.5298119 --> 00:35:15,414.765106 We haven't spoken about this yet. 641 00:35:15,532.4121649 --> 00:35:15,620.647459 Mm-hmm. 642 00:35:15,855.9415766 --> 00:35:23,32.4121649 But it's so relevant right now, and that is the fact that we have a new editor of Vogue America. 643 00:35:23,576.5298119 --> 00:35:24,164.765106 We do. 644 00:35:24,194.1768708 --> 00:35:27,694.1768708 Chloe Mal, she's 39, she's an Nepo baby, and she's owning it. 645 00:35:27,723.5886355 --> 00:35:28,988.2945178 She's owning the nepotism. 646 00:35:28,988.2945178 --> 00:35:29,76.5298119 Mm-hmm. 647 00:35:29,341.2356943 --> 00:35:31,105.9415766 Which I thought was really interesting. 648 00:35:31,105.9415766 --> 00:35:38,576.5298119 So she has stepped into the role as head of editorial content succeeding Anna, a winter in daily operations. 649 00:35:38,870.647459 --> 00:35:46,723.5886355 Winter isn't disappearing, she's staying on as a global editorial director, and she's also staying in as that sort of power player. 650 00:35:47,105.9415766 --> 00:35:49,429.4709884 She's just less in the trenches as she was. 651 00:35:49,880.4513806 --> 00:35:50,733.392557 She should be. 652 00:35:50,733.392557 --> 00:35:53,851.0396158 I, I'm not sure how old she's now, but she deserves to start chilling out. 653 00:35:53,851.0396158 --> 00:35:54,145.1572629 Yeah, relaxing. 654 00:35:54,203.9807923 --> 00:35:57,115.7454982 She's been the Vogue editor in chief for 37 years. 655 00:35:57,115.7454982 --> 00:35:59,674.5690276 That's practically an entire monarchy shift. 656 00:35:59,851.0396158 --> 00:36:05,821.6278511 It is, and she's built this church of exclusivity and prestige, so Chloe's challenge. 657 00:36:06,32.4121649 --> 00:36:13,414.765106 As the new editor is really going to be to turn it into a digital brand that Gen Z actually wants to engage with. 658 00:36:13,650.0592237 --> 00:36:23,326.5298119 It's a real critical time as sort of these traditional press, print media transition into the digital age in a way that's still going to resonate with new audiences. 659 00:36:23,444.1768708 --> 00:36:24,32.4121649 Yeah, absolutely. 660 00:36:24,32.4121649 --> 00:36:30,76.5298119 So who is Chloe Mal? So she's the daughter of Candace Bergen as you like Sex in the City? Yes. 661 00:36:30,135.3533413 --> 00:36:38,703.9807923 And also Louis Ma, who is a French film director, so she's certainly a nepo baby tick for privilege in that perspective. 662 00:36:38,821.6278511 --> 00:36:39,86.3337335 Mm-hmm. 663 00:36:39,498.0984394 --> 00:36:44,360.8435374 Um, she went to Brown University and so tick that from Ivy League Polish. 664 00:36:44,846.1376551 --> 00:36:44,904.9611845 Yeah. 665 00:36:45,493.1964786 --> 00:36:52,669.6670668 And then in 2011, she joined Vogue as a social editor and later went to Town and Country and then came back to Vogue. 666 00:36:52,816.7258904 --> 00:36:54,81.4317727 She's hosted podcasts. 667 00:36:54,110.8435374 --> 00:36:55,434.3729492 She's run vogue.com, 668 00:36:55,757.9023609 --> 00:37:02,199.0788315 and she's delivered buzzy cultural features like Naomi Biden's White House wedding, and Lauren Sanchez ahead of her be. 669 00:37:02,738.2945178 --> 00:37:03,297.1180472 Not chills. 670 00:37:03,351.0396158 --> 00:37:07,27.5102041 She actually did get some pretty big interviews under her belt She's very vogue. 671 00:37:07,174.5690276 --> 00:37:16,968.6866747 She's glamorous, well connection now well connected and well schooled, but she's also built up the right kind of digital portfolio that Vogue desperately needs right now to remain relevant. 672 00:37:17,27.5102041 --> 00:37:17,498.0984394 Relevant. 673 00:37:17,615.7454982 --> 00:37:20,233.392557 And have you seen like their Instagram page and like Yes. 674 00:37:20,233.392557 --> 00:37:26,302.020008 They curated, like the coverage that they do on those socials are really good? And yes, she's admitted that outright. 675 00:37:26,302.020008 --> 00:37:27,654.9611845 She's a proud Nepo baby. 676 00:37:27,654.9611845 --> 00:37:32,390.2553021 So nepotism certainly gets you through the door, but it's not gonna keep you in that position. 677 00:37:32,390.2553021 --> 00:37:35,272.6082433 You really do have to, once you are in, you have to prove yourself. 678 00:37:35,654.9611845 --> 00:37:40,351.0396158 She's not the stereotypical, clueless socialite that's parachuted in. 679 00:37:40,645.1572629 --> 00:37:46,262.8043217 She has paid her dues, uh, be it on an easier track than most people. 680 00:37:46,645.1572629 --> 00:37:48,86.3337335 But let's be real. 681 00:37:48,498.0984394 --> 00:37:50,851.0396158 She wasn't grinding in obscurity. 682 00:37:50,880.4513806 --> 00:37:52,998.0984394 She was grinding inside the industry. 683 00:37:53,630.4513806 --> 00:38:01,218.6866747 The Vogue ladder isn't exactly forgiving and she still managed to climb it, so she has so definitely worked hard. 684 00:38:01,630.4513806 --> 00:38:01,953.9807923 Yeah. 685 00:38:02,953.9807923 --> 00:38:05,601.0396158 And Vogue has this elitism reputation. 686 00:38:05,904.9611845 --> 00:38:14,669.6670668 Handing the top job to the daughter of a Hollywood royalty doesn't exactly scream inclusivity, and some people in fashion are. 687 00:38:15,669.6670668 --> 00:38:16,904.9611845 Celebrating this. 688 00:38:17,12.8043217 --> 00:38:18,659.8631453 She's safe Hands for Vogue. 689 00:38:19,189.27491 --> 00:38:24,865.7454982 But others are really shrugging because of course the role went to someone who was born in the front row of culture week. 690 00:38:25,306.9219688 --> 00:38:26,424.5690276 Yeah, I agree with that. 691 00:38:26,895.1572629 --> 00:38:36,71.6278511 There was other people in the running, like Edward and Infu, who's the British Vogue was tipped, but he is actually eyeing broader roles beyond Vogue. 692 00:38:36,76.5298119 --> 00:38:36,429.4709884 That's amazing. 693 00:38:36,507.9023609 --> 00:38:40,797.1180472 I think this was quite a narrow role for him given he's coming from the British Vogue already. 694 00:38:40,797.1180472 --> 00:38:40,806.9219688 Yeah. 695 00:38:41,806.9219688 --> 00:38:44,689.27491 I don't think this is a glass cliff appointment. 696 00:38:44,689.27491 --> 00:38:46,748.0984394 It's not shocking, it's not radical. 697 00:38:46,748.0984394 --> 00:38:54,148.0984394 It's kind of expected, but vogue still has a problem they need to solve, and I think having this kind of. 698 00:38:55,148.0984394 --> 00:38:57,706.9219688 Elitist reputation isn't helping them. 699 00:38:57,971.6278511 --> 00:39:04,893.1964786 No, I agree with you there because Winter's Vogue was very glossy covers that prestige, that power. 700 00:39:05,99.0788315 --> 00:39:05,187.3141257 Mm-hmm. 701 00:39:05,422.6082433 --> 00:39:06,10.8435374 Chloe's Vogue. 702 00:39:06,10.8435374 --> 00:39:21,128.4905962 I'm curious what it's going to look like, but based on her experience, more digital storytelling, that less intimidating editor persona, she just doesn't have the same brand behind her and building Vogue into a community rather than a Bible. 703 00:39:21,128.4905962 --> 00:39:25,128.4905962 I think Vogue is about to go through a transformation, but also like Anna Winter comes with. 704 00:39:26,128.4905962 --> 00:39:29,540.2553021 The Anna Winter Acceptance Approval. 705 00:39:29,628.4905962 --> 00:39:31,687.3141257 Yeah, her viewpoint, her standards. 706 00:39:32,69.6670668 --> 00:39:34,628.4905962 And I think the authority's gone, isn't it? The authority is gone. 707 00:39:34,746.1376551 --> 00:39:37,304.9611845 Anna Winter sees something and it's just not up to standard. 708 00:39:37,304.9611845 --> 00:39:43,275.5494198 She can command the huge budget for like these shoots it's kind of like, you know, the Devil's wear Prada? It is. 709 00:39:43,329.4709884 --> 00:39:46,540.2553021 And they're like, they're reshooting the whole, you know, winter campaign. 710 00:39:46,540.2553021 --> 00:39:48,834.3729492 And he is like, how much is that gonna cost us? And they're like millions. 711 00:39:48,834.3729492 --> 00:39:49,363.7847139 And he is like. 712 00:39:50,157.9023609 --> 00:39:51,540.2553021 Must be a terrible campaign. 713 00:39:51,540.2553021 --> 00:39:54,559.8631453 Like it was just the well, if that's what she wants, that's what she gets. 714 00:39:54,559.8631453 --> 00:39:55,353.9807923 Absolutely. 715 00:39:55,353.9807923 --> 00:39:58,148.0984394 And I just can't imagine it being the same. 716 00:39:58,148.0984394 --> 00:40:06,383.392557 It must be really hard going into that position, likely younger than a lot of the people that are reporting into her having to prove her worth. 717 00:40:06,716.7258904 --> 00:40:10,755.9415766 But, it could also work in her favor because looking at Gen Z. 718 00:40:11,300.0592237 --> 00:40:13,594.1768708 They don't want that aloof glamor anymore. 719 00:40:13,594.1768708 --> 00:40:17,300.0592237 They probably want relatability, that authenticity. 720 00:40:17,770.647459 --> 00:40:24,309.8631453 Chloe's not giving, like I'm, she's sitting at the front row of their fashion show. 721 00:40:24,633.392557 --> 00:40:26,927.5102041 She's giving, I'll host a podcast in my slippers. 722 00:40:26,986.3337335 --> 00:40:27,986.3337335 It's that kind of vibe. 723 00:40:28,398.0984394 --> 00:40:28,780.4513806 Yeah. 724 00:40:28,809.8631453 --> 00:40:35,574.5690276 I think the Vogue editor in chief needs to be, I'm not a party girl, but I go to parties. 725 00:40:35,937.3141257 --> 00:40:36,672.6082433 And Gen Z. 726 00:40:37,202.020008 --> 00:40:41,54.9611845 I think with that generation it is so like you have to almost prove that you are cool. 727 00:40:41,319.6670668 --> 00:40:44,437.3141257 Yeah, so I think, you know, two things can be true at once. 728 00:40:44,643.1964786 --> 00:40:48,790.2553021 You can be a net or higher, but you can also earn through credibility. 729 00:40:49,84.3729492 --> 00:40:50,760.8435374 But you can take an easier pathway. 730 00:40:51,172.6082433 --> 00:40:56,849.0788315 So we can still say she's achieved, but we can also recognize that yes, she probably has had an easier pathway than some. 731 00:40:57,525.5494198 --> 00:41:00,231.4317727 I think we'd also both agree that Vogue hasn't taken a risk here. 732 00:41:00,260.8435374 --> 00:41:01,84.3729492 It's pretty. 733 00:41:02,84.3729492 --> 00:41:03,790.2553021 Business as usual with its decision. 734 00:41:03,849.0788315 --> 00:41:04,290.2553021 Yeah. 735 00:41:04,378.4905962 --> 00:41:13,202.020008 But whether she becomes a bridge to that next generation or just this softer face of Winter's legacy, that is the story that we should absolutely watch. 736 00:41:13,231.4317727 --> 00:41:13,407.9023609 Yeah. 737 00:41:13,407.9023609 --> 00:41:14,349.0788315 We'll just have to wait and see. 738 00:41:16,261.0788315 --> 00:41:21,849.3141257 and that's a wrap on this week's Spin Cycle, millennial Dads Orcas Dodgy Workplace Surveillance. 739 00:41:22,143.4317727 --> 00:41:26,25.7847139 Vogue's new editor, Netflix's Wildest Catfish story. 740 00:41:26,319.9023609 --> 00:41:28,525.7847139 And of course, Erin Patterson's sentencing. 741 00:41:28,731.6670668 --> 00:41:30,378.7258904 We have covered some ground. 742 00:41:30,702.2553021 --> 00:41:36,172.8435374 I'm so sad that this is probably the final, final death cap diaries that we get to enjoy. 743 00:41:36,290.4905962 --> 00:41:43,378.7258904 But if you have love this week's episode, follow spin cycle, drop us a rating or maybe give us a review and send this to a friend who loves a good unpack. 744 00:41:44,378.7258904 --> 00:41:46,349.3141257 Hit us with your hot takes for next week. 745 00:41:46,499.8729312 --> 00:41:47,128.7258904 We'll see you soon.

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