Slater & Gordon Hoax Email Update, Erin Patterson Death-Cap Diaries, P Diddy Trial and Defamation Drama: Roberts-Smith & Deeming v Pesutto

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Gab.
I am actually living, if I died and I ended up in hell, I would be living my life right now.
What do you mean? There is, oh, there's this experience when you have something in your house and you need to sell it.
You list it on Facebook marketplace? Yes.
And you immediately regret that decision when you get the flood of messages of is this available? Well, you'll take 10% of the price.

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I asked for.
They asked for a million photos and questions.
Then you get asked again, is this available? If it wasn't available, I would take it down.
Yes, it's available.
Yeah, I know.
It's like they dunno what to say and then.
It never goes smoothly.
You finally get them to where they need to be, roughly around the time they need to pick it up and you finally sell it.

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They'll probably try to renegotiate when they're there.
They'll put, try to put pressure on you, but you finally, you've done the deal, you clutching, your little handful of pineapples, and you then have this moment of rosy retrospection when you're like, I wasn't so bad.
I might list something else for sale.
What has happened this week? I just, I, remember last week when I told about how I had the insurance for my iPhone that was broken? Yes.

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I've now got my phone fixed.
I'm selling the old one.
Genius.
No.
I have 40 messages.
I'm gonna show you.
Wait.
Has, okay, so you haven't sold it yet.
Oh, have you priced it too low? I think I have, but they're still trying to low ball me.
Oh.
Like obviously I've priced it too low when I've got 40 messages of people asking if it's still available, maybe before you press go on, whoever used to select I, I just want it, I just want it gone.

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There's this amazing comedic skit by Lou Wall.
I shared you that.
Oh, did you? Yes.
We should put that in our show notes.
Yeah, because it's just reminding me of that.
Oh my God.
Where is bed? Where is bed? Not if you don't, if you've not.
Seen this.
Highly recommend you watch this video.
We will put it in our show notes.
It's ruthless, it's wild out there.
It's the wild west.
Absolutely. 42 00:02:06,106.41216222 --> 00:02:15,16.41216222 Coming up this week on Spin Cycle, we've got the PG rated breakdown of Sean Combs trial, racketeering, sex trafficking charges, and what it all means. 43 00:02:15,76.41216222 --> 00:02:17,236.41216222 Then it's Double defamation drama. 44 00:02:17,266.41216222 --> 00:02:20,56.41216222 Ben Robert Smith appeal is dismissed and Moira redeeming. 45 00:02:20,56.41216222 --> 00:02:22,546.41216222 Just handed John PTO a $2.3 46 00:02:22,546.41216222 --> 00:02:26,326.41216222 million legal bill as well as an update on the Slater and Gordon Ho's email. 47 00:02:27,36.41216222 --> 00:02:35,206.41216222 Plus a suspicious dehydrator in week three and four of death cap diaries and the AI hacks making life way easier, Let's get into it. 48 00:02:50,818.04884042 --> 00:02:56,758.04884042 Welcome to Spin Cycle, where we dig into the stories shaping the world and take a closer look at the patterns, power plays. 49 00:02:56,758.04884042 --> 00:02:58,588.04884042 And yes, the biases hiding in plain sight. 50 00:02:59,333.04884042 --> 00:03:01,643.04884042 Gab and Claire two friends with MBAs. 51 00:03:01,643.04884042 --> 00:03:04,493.04884042 A lot of opinions and a healthy amount of skepticism. 52 00:03:04,763.04884042 --> 00:03:07,763.04884042 We're here to help you think twice and maybe have a few laughs. 53 00:03:08,63.04884042 --> 00:03:14,638.04884042 Let's get spinning, but first Gab, what's top of mind for you this week? Few things. 54 00:03:14,638.04884042 --> 00:03:20,48.04884042 The first thing is I did a massive walk yesterday for charity, for Beyond Blue. 55 00:03:20,98.04884042 --> 00:03:25,578.04884042 And I have to apologize if I sound tired because I'm so tired. 56 00:03:25,578.04884042 --> 00:03:27,498.04884042 I walk 30 Ks and I know it's sad. 57 00:03:27,498.04884042 --> 00:03:28,218.04884042 It's just a walk. 58 00:03:28,218.04884042 --> 00:03:30,323.04884042 But my body is, I suppose, marathon. 59 00:03:31,183.04884042 --> 00:03:32,383.04884042 You walk through sand. 60 00:03:32,608.04884042 --> 00:03:35,998.04884042 I honestly, for me, that is a form of torture. 61 00:03:36,28.04884042 --> 00:03:44,808.04884042 If I was, if someone was trying to get information outta me and they said, give me the information, or walk 10 ks in sand, I would give them the information. 62 00:03:44,838.04884042 --> 00:03:45,378.04884042 I'll tell you what. 63 00:03:45,378.04884042 --> 00:03:45,888.04884042 Oh God. 64 00:03:46,78.04884042 --> 00:03:48,228.04884042 How long did it take? Six. 65 00:03:48,518.04884042 --> 00:03:53,168.04884042 Six and abit hours, plus breaks and that, I think that's, I've done it in for a couple of years. 66 00:03:53,348.04884042 --> 00:03:54,908.04884042 That's the fastest I've done it. 67 00:03:55,498.04884042 --> 00:03:56,548.04884042 It's such a beautiful walk though. 68 00:03:56,548.04884042 --> 00:03:57,658.04884042 It's down the peninsula. 69 00:03:57,718.04884042 --> 00:03:59,638.04884042 It's always one of my favorite days of the year. 70 00:03:59,698.04884042 --> 00:04:13,608.04884042 Do you take AirPods? No, as I was walking with colleagues, you just talk to people, which was fine because I know the colleagues I was walking with, but I can imagine it's hard to come up with conversation for such a long period of time. 71 00:04:13,608.04884042 --> 00:04:15,868.04884042 It would be hard if you're with, with someone you didn't know. 72 00:04:15,868.04884042 --> 00:04:18,148.04884042 I guess you'd end the day knowing everything about them. 73 00:04:18,238.04884042 --> 00:04:19,48.04884042 I don't think I could do it. 74 00:04:19,108.04884042 --> 00:04:20,248.04884042 I think I would be like. 75 00:04:21,163.04884042 --> 00:04:26,143.04884042 I've had my small talk, I'm just gonna go listen to something for an hour and I'll loop back in with you soon. 76 00:04:26,233.04884042 --> 00:04:38,203.04884042 Well, or can we like have a little bit of silent time where we walk next to each other, but not talk to each other? So there were periods of time where we would walk in single file and no one was talking to each other and we had a speaker, so we played music as well. 77 00:04:38,203.04884042 --> 00:04:38,773.04884042 Okay. 78 00:04:38,773.04884042 --> 00:04:38,774.04884042 Okay. 79 00:04:38,779.04884042 --> 00:04:39,108.04884042 That's better. 80 00:04:39,283.04884042 --> 00:04:39,868.04884042 Yeah, it helped. 81 00:04:39,868.04884042 --> 00:04:40,629.04884042 It definitely helped. 82 00:04:40,903.04884042 --> 00:04:41,263.04884042 Okay. 83 00:04:41,323.04884042 --> 00:04:42,13.04884042 Yeah, that. 84 00:04:42,318.04884042 --> 00:04:43,98.04884042 Yeah, that's hard. 85 00:04:43,293.04884042 --> 00:04:43,533.04884042 Yeah. 86 00:04:43,698.04884042 --> 00:04:59,678.04884042 But otherwise, I just wanted to talk more about my favorite pal chat dippy t because I have been living my best AI life lately, mostly for regular small things like helping me plan my week or looking at what's in the fridge, and then trying to work out really fun recipes. 87 00:05:00,178.04884042 --> 00:05:01,828.04884042 But I wanna be a bit smarter about it. 88 00:05:01,828.04884042 --> 00:05:08,848.04884042 So I've just done a little bit more Googling, or I guess chat GP ting of what I should be using it for, and. 89 00:05:09,513.04884042 --> 00:05:13,243.04884042 I'll come, I'm sure I'll have an update in the next in the future. 90 00:05:13,243.04884042 --> 00:05:18,433.04884042 But there's things I haven't tried yet, like discount codes, apparently you should ask for that. 91 00:05:18,643.04884042 --> 00:05:18,733.04884042 Oh. 92 00:05:19,153.04884042 --> 00:05:26,243.04884042 And when you have to write those annoying refund emails or you have to write a complaint, it just feels like such a mental load. 93 00:05:26,343.04884042 --> 00:05:30,798.04884042 You could just really tell J chat GBT what you want it to do and just get that done really quickly. 94 00:05:30,888.04884042 --> 00:05:32,628.04884042 I haven't written an email myself in. 95 00:05:33,588.04884042 --> 00:05:36,378.04884042 Mum, right? I only use chat GBT. 96 00:05:36,688.04884042 --> 00:05:38,218.04884042 I just voice memo everything in. 97 00:05:38,218.04884042 --> 00:05:41,998.04884042 I send it like screenshots of what I needed to incorporate. 98 00:05:42,48.04884042 --> 00:05:42,858.04884042 So good. 99 00:05:42,918.04884042 --> 00:05:43,398.04884042 Yeah. 100 00:05:43,448.04884042 --> 00:05:48,68.04884042 I've overhauled everything and I have prompts in its memory. 101 00:05:48,68.04884042 --> 00:05:55,598.04884042 So if you have like the premium version, you've still haven't converted, you can store memory so you can store information it needs to know to help you. 102 00:05:56,3.04884042 --> 00:06:04,983.04884042 Prepare things like the tone, British English key information that you want it to pop in about you how you like to structure, how you like to communicate. 103 00:06:05,463.04884042 --> 00:06:06,963.04884042 And it's just changed the game. 104 00:06:06,963.04884042 --> 00:06:12,303.04884042 Like I save so much time in doing things, and I find as well when you've got something that you've been putting off. 105 00:06:12,783.04884042 --> 00:06:13,203.04884042 Oh, yeah, chat. 106 00:06:13,203.04884042 --> 00:06:16,23.04884042 GPT helps you break down the mental load in doing it. 107 00:06:16,323.04884042 --> 00:06:16,653.04884042 Oh. 108 00:06:17,28.04884042 --> 00:06:17,838.04884042 Definitely. 109 00:06:17,898.04884042 --> 00:06:23,678.04884042 And that kind of brings me to my next thing, which was looking at basically working at your personal budget. 110 00:06:23,678.04884042 --> 00:06:34,68.04884042 Obviously I've got a budget, but it can be a way to be a bit critical about it and what you could do to improve and just really enhance your plans from that perspective. 111 00:06:34,68.04884042 --> 00:06:34,158.04884042 Yes. 112 00:06:34,308.04884042 --> 00:06:36,828.04884042 I wonder if you could do something like put in your. 113 00:06:37,173.04884042 --> 00:06:42,303.04884042 Spending and ask it to evaluate what it perceives as necessary. 114 00:06:42,303.04884042 --> 00:06:44,103.04884042 Discretionary, yes. 115 00:06:44,103.04884042 --> 00:06:47,703.04884042 Spending to actually challenge where there is like a little bit of opportunity. 116 00:06:48,343.04884042 --> 00:06:51,913.04884042 I think that's on my cards for this week, so maybe I'll report back next week. 117 00:06:52,213.04884042 --> 00:07:01,268.04884042 But what about you? What's been happening this week? So top of mind as a finance, girly is RBA rate cut. 118 00:07:01,718.04884042 --> 00:07:10,238.04884042 And it was another 25 basis points, which is quarter of a percent reduction on the cash rate, which we love to see. 119 00:07:10,448.04884042 --> 00:07:13,418.04884042 It is great news for mortgage holders. 120 00:07:13,418.04884042 --> 00:07:14,858.04884042 So quick recap. 121 00:07:15,338.04884042 --> 00:07:20,948.04884042 The cash rate is set by the Reserve Bank of Australia, which is a independent government authority. 122 00:07:21,308.04884042 --> 00:07:28,448.04884042 They meet regularly and they review the official cash rate, and there's a number of different factors that go into the cash rate inflation. 123 00:07:29,383.04884042 --> 00:07:32,983.04884042 Productivity, employment, what's happening globally. 124 00:07:33,673.04884042 --> 00:07:37,3.04884042 They all get considered as well as a million other information. 125 00:07:37,483.04884042 --> 00:07:41,593.04884042 And then from there they make a decision on what their cash rate will be. 126 00:07:41,893.04884042 --> 00:07:51,123.04884042 And that's effectively the risk-free rate for the government securities that it, underpin so people that lend the government money, that's the interest rate they'll get for lending that money. 127 00:07:51,123.04884042 --> 00:07:53,433.04884042 And it's considered risk free 'cause the government isn't gonna default. 128 00:07:53,643.04884042 --> 00:07:53,853.04884042 Yes. 129 00:07:53,853.04884042 --> 00:07:59,163.04884042 You hope Greece did it once, I think Australia, we are a very safe country when it comes to our credit rating. 130 00:08:00,93.04884042 --> 00:08:07,803.04884042 And so what does that actually mean for us? Or help me translate this for someone who might not be a financial girlie but wants to know the essentials. 131 00:08:08,343.04884042 --> 00:08:15,723.04884042 So if you have a mortgage, you will, and your bank has decided to pass on some or all of that interest rate. 132 00:08:16,233.04884042 --> 00:08:19,593.04884042 It does look like most banks have passed on that. 133 00:08:20,238.04884042 --> 00:08:21,228.04884042 Rate cut in full. 134 00:08:21,888.04884042 --> 00:08:36,818.04884042 So we haven't seen any banks withholding it yet, but that interest rate is passed on and then roughly 45 days after your next repayment cycle, you will be able to reduce your minimum payments. 135 00:08:37,238.04884042 --> 00:08:41,168.04884042 So the amount of interest that you are being charged will decrease. 136 00:08:41,648.04884042 --> 00:08:45,738.04884042 Ah, so the amount of principle that you're contributing will increase then if you're, yes. 137 00:08:45,738.04884042 --> 00:08:47,598.04884042 If you don't change your repayments. 138 00:08:47,868.04884042 --> 00:08:58,673.04884042 So if say for instance, your repayments are like $3,000 or whatever they are per month and you did nothing, it means that more money's gonna go into your principle unless we paid on interest. 139 00:08:59,583.04884042 --> 00:09:00,573.04884042 Well, that's good news. 140 00:09:00,993.04884042 --> 00:09:01,713.04884042 It's great news. 141 00:09:01,713.04884042 --> 00:09:18,723.04884042 So do we know how much that will work out in terms of savings? Like what does the 25 basis point cut mean in dollars? For a $500,000 loan, a 25 basis point cut saves the average mortgage holder about $75 a month. 142 00:09:18,813.04884042 --> 00:09:18,993.04884042 Ooh. 143 00:09:19,183.04884042 --> 00:09:22,693.04884042 That's making an assumption that the interest rates on average road to about 6%. 144 00:09:22,903.04884042 --> 00:09:23,143.04884042 Yep. 145 00:09:23,453.04884042 --> 00:09:24,743.04884042 So that's much needed relief. 146 00:09:24,983.04884042 --> 00:09:29,363.04884042 If you've got a million dollar loan, 150 bucks a month, that's quite a bit of money. 147 00:09:29,748.04884042 --> 00:09:30,408.04884042 That's, yeah. 148 00:09:30,413.04884042 --> 00:09:31,103.04884042 That's noticeable. 149 00:09:31,223.04884042 --> 00:09:32,573.04884042 Two tanks of fancy petrol. 150 00:09:33,173.04884042 --> 00:09:34,103.04884042 Absolutely. 151 00:09:34,203.04884042 --> 00:09:38,203.04884042 Might get, might have that budget to upgrade from that unleaded 91. 152 00:09:38,293.04884042 --> 00:09:38,593.04884042 Yeah. 153 00:09:39,253.04884042 --> 00:09:48,393.04884042 Ideally, the way economics should work as well is if you're a renter if you are, landlord was thinking about what they're gonna do with your rental increase or rental review. 154 00:09:48,693.04884042 --> 00:09:59,43.04884042 They might be less incentivized to increase significantly because their cost to hold that property have also potentially decreased with these interest rate cuts. 155 00:09:59,103.04884042 --> 00:09:59,343.04884042 Yeah. 156 00:09:59,343.04884042 --> 00:10:04,703.04884042 And the renters know that, there's less leverage there when it comes to renegotiating the new rate each year. 157 00:10:04,943.04884042 --> 00:10:05,633.04884042 Absolutely. 158 00:10:08,110.99693731 --> 00:10:13,660.99693731 Let's talk about the federal trial of Sean Combs, also known as p Diddy, puff Daddy. 159 00:10:13,960.99693731 --> 00:10:17,400.99693731 The rebrands are endless, but the headlines right now are very serious. 160 00:10:17,950.07046672 --> 00:10:30,940.07046672 Diddy has been charged with some of the most severe offenses that you can face under UA US federal law, including racketeering, sex trafficking, and transportation across state lines for prostitution. 161 00:10:31,540.07046672 --> 00:10:34,540.07046672 And if he's found guilty, this isn't a slap on the wrist situation. 162 00:10:34,540.07046672 --> 00:10:37,600.07046672 We're talking potentially the rest of his life in prison. 163 00:10:38,340.07046672 --> 00:10:39,810.07046672 We wanna be really clear upfront. 164 00:10:39,810.07046672 --> 00:10:42,90.07046672 We're not gonna be covering the trial details. 165 00:10:42,390.07046672 --> 00:10:47,670.07046672 We did start reading the testimony and we found it so distressing. 166 00:10:47,700.07046672 --> 00:10:54,720.07046672 It includes coercion, abuse, drugs, and the kind of systemic power imbalance that's really hard to process. 167 00:10:54,720.07046672 --> 00:11:00,180.07046672 And I, we didn't wanna talk about it, so we're gonna keep this segment pg. 168 00:11:00,210.07046672 --> 00:11:03,330.07046672 We're just gonna give you the facts about exactly what's happening. 169 00:11:03,940.07046672 --> 00:11:09,760.07046672 If you choose to go and do some more research, definitely go into it with your eyes wide open of what you might be reading. 170 00:11:10,30.07046672 --> 00:11:10,210.07046672 Yeah. 171 00:11:10,210.07046672 --> 00:11:12,130.07046672 We just didn't feel like it was right for us. 172 00:11:12,130.07046672 --> 00:11:13,690.07046672 And the tone of our show. 173 00:11:13,790.07046672 --> 00:11:24,560.07046672 In terms of what Didi is accused of at a high level, prosecutors are saying that over the last 20 years, Sean Combs ran a criminal enterprise under the guise of his music empire, bad boy records. 174 00:11:25,100.07046672 --> 00:11:27,20.07046672 And when you think about it, his life would be. 175 00:11:27,695.07046672 --> 00:11:30,125.07046672 The clubs, the parties and the security teams. 176 00:11:30,365.07046672 --> 00:11:30,605.07046672 Yeah. 177 00:11:30,605.07046672 --> 00:11:37,535.07046672 And he's accused of essentially creating that ecosystem where trafficking coverups were happening repeatedly. 178 00:11:37,865.07046672 --> 00:11:41,995.07046672 Abuse and being facilitated by the people around him. 179 00:11:41,995.07046672 --> 00:11:46,15.07046672 So that's where racketeering comes in, which will explain in a second. 180 00:11:46,70.07046672 --> 00:11:51,740.07046672 One of the key witnesses in this case is Cassie Ventura, his former partner and former recording artist. 181 00:11:52,40.07046672 --> 00:11:56,570.07046672 Cassie filed a civil suit that was settled privately in 2023. 182 00:11:56,840.07046672 --> 00:12:04,730.07046672 She's now testifying in this criminal case, and she's doing so heavily pregnant, which just adds another layer to her strength and courage. 183 00:12:05,600.07046672 --> 00:12:10,340.07046672 You're probably wondering how can Cassie testify when there was a settlement and. 184 00:12:10,685.07046672 --> 00:12:23,305.07046672 It's a really good question because a lot of people assume that once it has settled, that's the end of the road, but that's only one for the civil case, meaning Cassie agreed not to pursue the personal damages. 185 00:12:24,235.07046672 --> 00:12:24,805.07046672 Exactly. 186 00:12:24,805.07046672 --> 00:12:27,595.07046672 It doesn't stop a law enforcement from investigating. 187 00:12:27,835.07046672 --> 00:12:31,945.07046672 And also it doesn't stop prosecutors from subpoenaing someone to testify. 188 00:12:32,185.07046672 --> 00:12:35,475.07046672 So even if you wanted to stay out of it which by all accounts. 189 00:12:35,935.07046672 --> 00:12:40,915.07046672 She could still be called in as a witness and sometimes it can even be reluctant witnesses. 190 00:12:41,165.07046672 --> 00:12:48,575.07046672 This was interesting for me because you often hear about, an episode of, law and Order where the person's I signed a, I signed a legal letter. 191 00:12:48,575.07046672 --> 00:12:49,865.07046672 I can't talk to you about it. 192 00:12:50,165.07046672 --> 00:12:55,265.07046672 Yes, they can actually make you talk because it's about pursuing justice. 193 00:12:55,415.07046672 --> 00:12:55,985.07046672 It is. 194 00:12:56,345.07046672 --> 00:13:02,435.07046672 We mentioned racketeering before Claire, but maybe for our listeners you could explain what is racketeering. 195 00:13:02,960.07046672 --> 00:13:05,510.07046672 It sounds like something that should be in the Sopranos. 196 00:13:05,780.07046672 --> 00:13:07,40.07046672 It does. 197 00:13:07,280.07046672 --> 00:13:20,930.07046672 It comes from the RICO Act that's racketeer influence and corrupt organization, and it's where you commit a series of crime as part of running or participating in organized groups. 198 00:13:21,440.07046672 --> 00:13:25,380.07046672 And I think that's the key thing is they're saying that Sean Combs. 199 00:13:25,845.07046672 --> 00:13:31,815.07046672 Was the mastermind of an organized group and he was coordinating everything around him. 200 00:13:31,815.07046672 --> 00:13:35,715.07046672 And there was a number of crimes that kind of fed up to him, almost like a company of crime. 201 00:13:36,225.07046672 --> 00:13:36,435.07046672 Yeah. 202 00:13:36,435.07046672 --> 00:13:44,415.07046672 Because it's not just that he's done a bad thing, it's the fact that he's created this system for continuously doing bad things. 203 00:13:44,415.07046672 --> 00:13:50,505.07046672 He's been an enabler, he's profited from it and protect, the people within it are protected. 204 00:13:50,505.07046672 --> 00:13:51,585.07046672 He protected himself within it too. 205 00:13:51,585.07046672 --> 00:13:51,795.07046672 Yeah. 206 00:13:51,825.07046672 --> 00:13:52,95.07046672 Yeah. 207 00:13:53,625.07046672 --> 00:14:04,105.07046672 So in his case, prosecutors are alleging that he used his fame, money, and power to cover up the abuse, silence the witnesses and move victims across the state lines. 208 00:14:04,285.07046672 --> 00:14:06,775.07046672 So it's obviously, it's not a accident. 209 00:14:06,775.07046672 --> 00:14:09,775.07046672 This is a pattern, and that's what the core of racketeering is. 210 00:14:09,775.07046672 --> 00:14:11,635.07046672 It's systemic, it was calculated. 211 00:14:11,965.07046672 --> 00:14:18,520.07046672 So what is next? The trial started on the 12th of May, and it's expected to run for eight to 10 weeks. 212 00:14:19,60.07046672 --> 00:14:25,750.07046672 It's being heard in the Manhattan Federal Court, and it has some very high profile witnesses taking the stand to be named. 213 00:14:26,160.07046672 --> 00:14:34,950.07046672 In terms of the people we have heard from, we heard from Cassie, and the reason they had to have her up front is they were all worried that she might go into labor and that could derail the case. 214 00:14:35,130.07046672 --> 00:14:41,190.07046672 Who else have we heard from Gab? Yeah, so this week wrapped up the second round of the testimony in New York and. 215 00:14:41,600.07046672 --> 00:14:43,670.07046672 We heard from Rapper Kid Cudi. 216 00:14:43,850.07046672 --> 00:14:52,940.07046672 So he took the stand and essentially claimed that after Combs found out about the past fling that he had with Cassie Combs broke into his home. 217 00:14:52,940.07046672 --> 00:14:58,640.07046672 And not long after that, Cudi said that his car was destroyed by a model of cocktails. 218 00:14:58,640.07046672 --> 00:15:03,500.07046672 So if you dunno what that is, it's a makeshift bomb made by feeling a glass bottle with flammable liquid. 219 00:15:03,500.07046672 --> 00:15:04,700.07046672 You've probably seen it in the movies. 220 00:15:05,90.07046672 --> 00:15:07,420.07046672 And then usually gasoline lit. 221 00:15:07,830.07046672 --> 00:15:09,720.07046672 A rag and then thrown somewhere. 222 00:15:09,720.07046672 --> 00:15:14,990.07046672 So super dangerous and illegal weapon used to fire to cause fires and explosions. 223 00:15:15,250.07046672 --> 00:15:22,740.07046672 Combs denies this involvement at the time, and Cudi said that he later received an apology in 2015 we also have heard about this freak offs. 224 00:15:22,740.07046672 --> 00:15:24,150.07046672 We don't wanna really talk about it. 225 00:15:24,390.07046672 --> 00:15:24,450.07046672 No. 226 00:15:24,780.07046672 --> 00:15:29,470.07046672 But that's probably the two big testimonies that we've heard so far. 227 00:15:29,650.07046672 --> 00:15:30,130.07046672 Yeah. 228 00:15:30,130.07046672 --> 00:15:33,400.07046672 And our hearts go out to all the victims involved in this. 229 00:15:33,400.07046672 --> 00:15:39,340.07046672 And Cassie, her strength in testifying what she testified is absolutely remarkable. 230 00:15:39,340.07046672 --> 00:15:43,30.07046672 And also her partner, he's been incredibly support through this process. 231 00:15:43,60.07046672 --> 00:15:44,710.07046672 Must be so difficult for both of them. 232 00:15:44,710.07046672 --> 00:15:45,970.07046672 Oh, I can only imagine. 233 00:15:46,430.07046672 --> 00:15:47,360.07046672 We will be watching. 234 00:15:47,360.07046672 --> 00:15:51,50.07046672 We'll be keeping you updated, but yeah, it will be from a safe distance. 235 00:15:53,248.6967643 --> 00:15:57,508.6967643 This week, Australia witness two significant defamation cases making headlines. 236 00:15:57,688.6967643 --> 00:16:10,198.6967643 One involves Ben Robert Smith, Australia's, how'd say? Former Mosted Living Soldier and the other centers around internal conflicts within the Victorian Liberal Party. 237 00:16:10,528.6967643 --> 00:16:22,978.6967643 Both cases delve deep into issues of reputation, power, and the messy, complicated, and dare I say, outrageously expensive cab legal battles that insure. 238 00:16:23,713.6967643 --> 00:16:24,103.6967643 Yeah. 239 00:16:24,103.6967643 --> 00:16:34,573.6967643 And while the context differs, the underlying themes of both of these cases is that of accountability, financial backing, and that public perception they are strikingly similar. 240 00:16:35,23.6967643 --> 00:16:35,773.6967643 Absolutely. 241 00:16:35,773.6967643 --> 00:16:35,833.6967643 I. 242 00:16:36,568.6967643 --> 00:16:44,938.6967643 The first case we're gonna chat about is Ben Robert Smith and he had scorned from National Hero to oof. 243 00:16:45,238.6967643 --> 00:16:49,948.6967643 If you are listing like he won't be national, like from a reputation perspective, he's never gonna be that. 244 00:16:49,948.6967643 --> 00:16:51,28.6967643 He won't be that anymore. 245 00:16:51,28.6967643 --> 00:16:51,88.6967643 No. 246 00:16:51,388.6967643 --> 00:17:00,478.6967643 We actually are allowed to say on the balance of probabilities, Ben Robert Smith is a murderer who committed war crimes. 247 00:17:00,898.6967643 --> 00:17:01,738.6967643 That is fact. 248 00:17:01,738.6967643 --> 00:17:02,938.6967643 And we are allowed to say that. 249 00:17:02,938.6967643 --> 00:17:07,828.6967643 And it's been proven, it's been proven in its trial and via an appeal. 250 00:17:07,948.6967643 --> 00:17:08,728.6967643 Exactly. 251 00:17:08,808.6967643 --> 00:17:15,803.6967643 And I guess on that, if you haven't heard about the case, Claire, maybe we can give the listeners a bit of an update of what's actually happened here. 252 00:17:16,43.6967643 --> 00:17:16,253.6967643 Yeah. 253 00:17:16,553.6967643 --> 00:17:27,13.6967643 In 2018, investigative journalists, Nick McKenzie's Chris Masters and David Rowe, they published a series of articles alleging that Robert Smith involvement in war crimes during his service. 254 00:17:28,18.6967643 --> 00:17:36,238.6967643 In response, Robert Smith initiated defamation proceedings against Fairfax Media, and he asserted that the reports tarnished his reputation. 255 00:17:36,478.6967643 --> 00:17:37,858.6967643 And I'm just gonna interject here. 256 00:17:37,858.6967643 --> 00:17:37,948.6967643 Yeah. 257 00:17:38,8.6967643 --> 00:17:38,338.6967643 Gab. 258 00:17:39,748.6967643 --> 00:17:45,643.6967643 If Ben Robert Smith had stayed silent, if he had rebuked the allegations. 259 00:17:46,888.6967643 --> 00:17:50,548.6967643 I think this would've played out incredibly different. 260 00:17:50,878.6967643 --> 00:18:03,258.6967643 I think that there would've always been murkiness, but yes, he would've retained, probably would've, got some cushy role in a very conservative based company, probably in, investment, something, relationship management. 261 00:18:03,618.6967643 --> 00:18:04,218.6967643 He would've been. 262 00:18:04,833.6967643 --> 00:18:05,433.6967643 Just fine. 263 00:18:05,913.6967643 --> 00:18:06,453.6967643 I think so. 264 00:18:06,453.6967643 --> 00:18:11,163.6967643 And as well, you look at that was 2018, right? It is actually different time to now. 265 00:18:11,433.6967643 --> 00:18:11,733.6967643 Yeah. 266 00:18:11,813.6967643 --> 00:18:14,393.6967643 Yes it was social media, but things fizzle out. 267 00:18:14,393.6967643 --> 00:18:21,113.6967643 There wasn't so much of two-way communication, whereas I feel like now, there's more chatter about it and it just gets amplified. 268 00:18:21,173.6967643 --> 00:18:25,373.6967643 I'm kind of thrilled that he, arrogance, got the best of him because. 269 00:18:26,903.6967643 --> 00:18:28,433.6967643 As I said, it's not right. 270 00:18:28,433.6967643 --> 00:18:30,563.6967643 The fact that he would've probably would've been just fine. 271 00:18:31,133.6967643 --> 00:18:31,163.6967643 Mm. 272 00:18:31,163.6967643 --> 00:18:34,823.6967643 But 'cause he got the arrogant and he thought he was really clever. 273 00:18:35,93.6967643 --> 00:18:38,933.6967643 He decided to go down this path and this was his undoing. 274 00:18:38,933.6967643 --> 00:18:39,683.6967643 And it shows Yes. 275 00:18:39,743.6967643 --> 00:18:40,613.6967643 Tunnel vision. 276 00:18:40,613.6967643 --> 00:18:42,263.6967643 So absolutely. 277 00:18:42,383.6967643 --> 00:18:44,518.6967643 He was full on echo chamber tunnel vision. 278 00:18:44,843.6967643 --> 00:18:47,393.6967643 It's very similar to the Bruce Lehrman defamation, which is one of my. 279 00:18:48,143.6967643 --> 00:18:53,783.6967643 Favorite cases because that was the epitome of someone who thought he was smarter than everyone else. 280 00:18:53,783.6967643 --> 00:18:53,843.6967643 Yeah. 281 00:18:54,293.6967643 --> 00:18:58,703.6967643 And the consequences he's had to now face for his actions. 282 00:18:59,783.6967643 --> 00:19:00,323.6967643 Yes. 283 00:19:00,383.6967643 --> 00:19:12,683.6967643 And so when we look at the court findings in June, 2023, the federal court found that the allegations were substantially true, leading to the dismissal of Robert Smith's defamation claims. 284 00:19:12,953.6967643 --> 00:19:13,973.6967643 The court concluded that. 285 00:19:14,763.6967643 --> 00:19:22,713.6967643 On the balance of probabilities, he was probably involved in the law, unlawful killings of unarmed Afghan prisoners whilst he was in Afghanistan. 286 00:19:22,773.6967643 --> 00:19:23,73.6967643 Yes. 287 00:19:23,253.6967643 --> 00:19:27,213.6967643 And the federal court is a civil court, which is the balance of probabilities. 288 00:19:27,213.6967643 --> 00:19:32,133.6967643 The standard is far lower than what it would be for a criminal trial. 289 00:19:32,383.6967643 --> 00:19:35,353.6967643 That's why we say on the balance of probabilities, he's a murderer. 290 00:19:35,443.6967643 --> 00:19:36,613.6967643 We are allowed to say that. 291 00:19:36,643.6967643 --> 00:19:36,703.6967643 Yeah. 292 00:19:37,63.6967643 --> 00:19:40,233.6967643 Has he been convicted of these crimes? No he hasn't. 293 00:19:40,283.6967643 --> 00:19:44,693.6967643 And then obviously the appeal and talk more about the financial backing. 294 00:19:45,173.6967643 --> 00:19:46,343.6967643 Oh, okay. 295 00:19:46,493.6967643 --> 00:19:52,103.6967643 Ben Robert Smith appealed the decision and the federal court upheld the original ruling. 296 00:19:53,138.6967643 --> 00:19:57,308.6967643 His legal battles have been financially supported by some billionaires. 297 00:19:57,518.6967643 --> 00:20:00,728.6967643 Kerry Stokes through his private company, Australian Capital Equity. 298 00:20:01,88.6967643 --> 00:20:05,198.6967643 Gina Reinhart also plays a role in this, and she's Australia's richest woman. 299 00:20:05,588.6967643 --> 00:20:11,448.6967643 She has expressed significant support for Ben Robert Smith, and she's also criticized the media's portrayal of him. 300 00:20:11,868.6967643 --> 00:20:21,468.6967643 Though she hasn't confirmed that she has financially contributed to his legal endeavors, it's, probably more likely than not, we don't have it confirmed like we have with Kerry Stokes. 301 00:20:21,738.6967643 --> 00:20:22,158.6967643 Yeah. 302 00:20:22,308.6967643 --> 00:20:29,968.6967643 And following the court's findings, the Australian War Memorial faced calls to remove Robert Smith's memorabilia from display. 303 00:20:31,193.6967643 --> 00:20:42,23.6967643 They decided to retain the display, but they added contextual information about the court's decision to provide a more comprehensive view of Robert Smith military service and subsequent legal outcomes. 304 00:20:42,73.6967643 --> 00:20:42,698.6967643 What I'm trying to say is. 305 00:20:44,508.6967643 --> 00:20:48,18.6967643 When we provide military support, there is good and bad. 306 00:20:48,408.6967643 --> 00:20:58,318.6967643 And I think that's reflective of, he probably did do some really good things, but he also did some really awful things that contributed to the death of those unarmed African men. 307 00:20:58,588.6967643 --> 00:21:03,418.6967643 And I think that goes to show that just because he's done good things doesn't cancel out the bad. 308 00:21:03,418.6967643 --> 00:21:04,378.6967643 He doesn't cancel out the bad. 309 00:21:04,423.6967643 --> 00:21:04,643.6967643 No. 310 00:21:04,648.6967643 --> 00:21:07,618.6967643 Doesn't give him a free pass to do these bad things. 311 00:21:07,678.6967643 --> 00:21:07,858.6967643 No. 312 00:21:08,398.6967643 --> 00:21:19,383.6967643 Where we're currently at is that he's expected to appeal to the high court of Australia, and he's probably gonna have some financial backing to do so this isn't going away anytime soon, but. 313 00:21:20,568.6967643 --> 00:21:22,518.6967643 You just go back to it and you're like, wow. 314 00:21:22,518.6967643 --> 00:21:26,868.6967643 Would you have made the same decision that you did in 2018 when these first surfaced? Yeah. 315 00:21:27,138.6967643 --> 00:21:31,458.6967643 I just think he's gonna find it a bit more difficult to find financial backers now. 316 00:21:31,458.6967643 --> 00:21:33,558.6967643 Just with the chatter and the sentiment. 317 00:21:33,588.6967643 --> 00:21:35,358.6967643 It's more of a risk now for them. 318 00:21:35,428.6967643 --> 00:21:36,358.6967643 You don't wanna be involved. 319 00:21:36,358.6967643 --> 00:21:37,228.6967643 You don't want your name on it. 320 00:21:37,468.6967643 --> 00:21:43,498.6967643 But also for someone like him, I can only imagine the type of person he is, given the decisions he's made. 321 00:21:44,578.6967643 --> 00:21:46,18.6967643 This is consequences. 322 00:21:46,348.6967643 --> 00:21:46,648.6967643 Yeah. 323 00:21:46,748.6967643 --> 00:21:55,628.6967643 Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like he's gonna face the criminal consequences for his actions, but he's playing out falling from grace. 324 00:21:55,628.6967643 --> 00:21:58,848.6967643 And for someone like him, that would be hurting him so much. 325 00:21:59,268.6967643 --> 00:21:59,988.6967643 Oh yeah. 326 00:21:59,988.6967643 --> 00:22:02,798.6967643 When you've got an ego and it's battered like that's everything. 327 00:22:02,898.6967643 --> 00:22:05,628.6967643 So let's bring this now into political drama. 328 00:22:05,678.6967643 --> 00:22:14,928.6967643 We've got the Victorian liberal leader, John Pato, has just been ordered to pay more EMS legal costs to the tune of what, 2.3 329 00:22:14,928.6967643 --> 00:22:15,438.6967643 million. 330 00:22:16,8.6967643 --> 00:22:17,88.6967643 And here's the kicker. 331 00:22:17,238.6967643 --> 00:22:19,548.6967643 The amount would almost certainly bankrupt him. 332 00:22:19,598.6967643 --> 00:22:22,508.6967643 What's interesting about these is, so we had the defamation. 333 00:22:23,38.6967643 --> 00:22:24,388.6967643 Trial dismissed the Ben Robert Smith. 334 00:22:24,388.6967643 --> 00:22:26,18.6967643 They found that he was not defamed. 335 00:22:26,318.6967643 --> 00:22:31,868.6967643 However, the federal court did find that John Pesto did Defame Moira redeeming. 336 00:22:31,918.6967643 --> 00:22:37,478.6967643 If John PTO is bankrupted, it would trigger a by-election in the seat of Hawthorne. 337 00:22:37,478.6967643 --> 00:22:44,258.6967643 And this is one of the liberal party's most critical inner seat Melbourne seats and insiders are saying already they wouldn't win it back. 338 00:22:45,968.6967643 --> 00:22:57,218.6967643 Mo Deeming is hard, right? Faction of the liberal party, and she took John PTO to defamation after she was suspended from the party over her involvement in events linked to the anti-trans protestors. 339 00:22:57,458.6967643 --> 00:23:02,648.6967643 The case went through the federal court of Victoria and reports suggest deeming refuse to settle. 340 00:23:02,978.6967643 --> 00:23:12,518.6967643 So that was one of the comments that were often said leading up to this, is they're like, why didn't John PTO just settle? Why didn't the liberal party settle? Why didn't they just make this go away? She refused. 341 00:23:12,728.6967643 --> 00:23:13,958.6967643 This was her end game. 342 00:23:14,213.6967643 --> 00:23:14,963.6967643 Oh yeah. 343 00:23:14,993.6967643 --> 00:23:17,303.6967643 And now, we've got this brutal result. 344 00:23:17,403.6967643 --> 00:23:18,48.6967643 $2.3 345 00:23:18,48.6967643 --> 00:23:19,353.6967643 million in costs. 346 00:23:19,383.6967643 --> 00:23:23,853.6967643 And the wild thing is that the liberal party seems to be letting this happen. 347 00:23:24,293.6967643 --> 00:23:25,673.6967643 Jean PTO is the former leader. 348 00:23:25,703.6967643 --> 00:23:27,893.6967643 He was ousted in a lib spill. 349 00:23:27,923.6967643 --> 00:23:28,74.6967643 Yes, yes. 350 00:23:28,153.6967643 --> 00:23:33,703.6967643 Late last year, but it just shows the factional warfare that is tearing the party apart. 351 00:23:34,33.6967643 --> 00:23:41,473.6967643 Deeming is from the far right, PTOs are moderate, and if this ends in a by-election, it's a political gift to the greens or labor. 352 00:23:42,313.6967643 --> 00:23:46,543.6967643 Yeah, the timing of this, especially with the recent election, I just, they can't get a win right now. 353 00:23:47,113.6967643 --> 00:23:49,603.6967643 But they also are doing this to themselves. 354 00:23:49,873.6967643 --> 00:23:54,43.6967643 They are, they, there's absolutely actions they could have taken to have a better result for them. 355 00:23:54,73.6967643 --> 00:23:54,373.6967643 Yeah. 356 00:23:54,373.6967643 --> 00:24:07,433.6967643 So we will see this play out quite quickly because PTO only has about 28 days from the judgment to stump up the money or have a committed financial plan for paying back more redeeming. 357 00:24:08,153.6967643 --> 00:24:11,123.6967643 And if he does not, he will have to declare bankruptcy. 358 00:24:11,393.6967643 --> 00:24:17,903.6967643 So it's not to say that he won't receive some financial support potentially from a donor that absolutely could occur. 359 00:24:18,503.6967643 --> 00:24:20,693.6967643 Something tells me that he's about to get very quiet. 360 00:24:20,723.6967643 --> 00:24:22,313.6967643 We're not gonna hear from him for a while. 361 00:24:22,433.6967643 --> 00:24:26,808.6967643 No, but this is a really tough one for John Presto. 362 00:24:26,843.6967643 --> 00:24:27,143.6967643 'cause. 363 00:24:28,688.6967643 --> 00:24:33,578.6967643 What is said about him is a lot of people that know him personally said that he's actually a very good politician. 364 00:24:33,788.6967643 --> 00:24:36,518.6967643 He's civil minded. 365 00:24:36,518.6967643 --> 00:24:42,498.6967643 He takes his role very seriously, and I think it would be a shame for this to be the way he goes out. 366 00:24:43,568.6967643 --> 00:24:46,658.6967643 This was something he could have avoided and I think that's gotta hurt. 367 00:24:47,483.6967643 --> 00:24:48,443.6967643 Yeah, absolutely. 368 00:24:51,335.0894979 --> 00:24:59,990.0894979 Gab it is time to do a little bit of an update on the Slater and Gordon Hoax email and this, oh, this had, this is huge. 369 00:25:00,100.0894979 --> 00:25:04,565.0894979 This had a, in a stronghold, like it was so juicy when it happened. 370 00:25:05,630.0894979 --> 00:25:13,550.0894979 In February, for those that aren't aware, over 900 Slater and Gordon staff got the HR equivalent of a Molotov cocktail in their inbox. 371 00:25:13,880.0894979 --> 00:25:22,570.0894979 A farewell style email allegedly from the chief people officer containing the fullest of salaries, hr, dirt, spicy gossip about the firm's leadership. 372 00:25:22,960.0894979 --> 00:25:28,60.0894979 It looked like a final act of corporate sabotage sent in error except. 373 00:25:28,960.0894979 --> 00:25:32,350.0894979 The chief people officer who allegedly sent it, didn't send it. 374 00:25:32,890.0894979 --> 00:25:33,880.0894979 The email was fake. 375 00:25:34,210.0894979 --> 00:25:38,320.0894979 Allegedly, the content's explosive and the fallout is still ongoing. 376 00:25:39,70.0894979 --> 00:25:45,940.0894979 So we do know that the email wasn't from the chief people officer, but allegedly from a convicted fraudster. 377 00:25:46,0.0894979 --> 00:25:46,450.0894979 Convicted. 378 00:25:46,450.0894979 --> 00:25:46,600.0894979 Love it. 379 00:25:46,600.0894979 --> 00:25:46,840.0894979 Fraud. 380 00:25:47,110.0894979 --> 00:25:50,170.0894979 This is all allegedly of course, and nothing is proven. 381 00:25:50,170.0894979 --> 00:25:56,770.0894979 We understand that things have been referred to the police, but we have a new character in this mess. 382 00:25:57,320.0894979 --> 00:26:07,190.0894979 A woman who's alleged to have embezzled money served prison time and somehow still landed a senior job at one of the country's best known plaintiff law firms. 383 00:26:07,220.0894979 --> 00:26:08,120.0894979 It's impressive. 384 00:26:08,450.0894979 --> 00:26:11,30.0894979 And the kicker is she's walked away with a payout. 385 00:26:11,450.0894979 --> 00:26:14,60.0894979 And the chief people officer, she's suing the firm. 386 00:26:14,60.0894979 --> 00:26:15,560.0894979 So we're just gonna give you an update of where we're at. 387 00:26:16,570.0894979 --> 00:26:17,800.0894979 'cause this just keeps spreading. 388 00:26:17,800.0894979 --> 00:26:20,30.0894979 And I don't think this is gonna be the last we talk about no. 389 00:26:20,30.0894979 --> 00:26:21,680.0894979 So we need to really bring this to life. 390 00:26:21,740.0894979 --> 00:26:23,780.0894979 Let's bring the characters back in. 391 00:26:23,960.0894979 --> 00:26:24,200.0894979 Yeah. 392 00:26:24,350.0894979 --> 00:26:26,150.0894979 So we've got Bridget Maddox. 393 00:26:26,180.0894979 --> 00:26:26,720.0894979 She's new. 394 00:26:26,810.0894979 --> 00:26:28,760.0894979 She is the ex payroll manager. 395 00:26:29,90.0894979 --> 00:26:31,250.0894979 She has multiple fraud convictions. 396 00:26:31,490.0894979 --> 00:26:35,740.0894979 She previously worked at CPA Australia before Slate and Gordon. 397 00:26:36,130.0894979 --> 00:26:41,230.0894979 And it's alleged that she was behind the hoax email, but that's not proven. 398 00:26:41,800.0894979 --> 00:26:56,20.0894979 Mari Ru Matheson, the interim chief people officer, named in the email, she's now suing Slater and Gordon for the reputational damage and also the damage from having her job offer rescinded after this email was allegedly sent. 399 00:26:57,190.0894979 --> 00:26:57,490.0894979 Yep. 400 00:26:57,490.0894979 --> 00:27:03,515.0894979 And then there's Dina So CEO promoted Maddox at one point now managing the brand Fallout, of course. 401 00:27:03,615.0894979 --> 00:27:04,35.0894979 Mm-hmm. 402 00:27:05,145.0894979 --> 00:27:07,335.0894979 And then we have someone else who's new with Steve Harmer. 403 00:27:07,575.0894979 --> 00:27:14,745.0894979 Slaters behind the scenes fixer allegedly described Bridget as having a criminal mind before her termination. 404 00:27:16,215.0894979 --> 00:27:32,670.0894979 But Kap, how does someone with a criminal history get into a payroll role at a law firm? But actually what went wrong there? I mean, but is there, do they do checks? I just surely like, surely like that is. 405 00:27:33,535.0894979 --> 00:27:41,635.0894979 The bare minimum, you don't put someone with criminal convictions for fraud to manage your company money. 406 00:27:41,845.0894979 --> 00:27:47,575.0894979 And Gordon doesnt look bad already information and now they look incompetent in hiring too. 407 00:27:47,725.0894979 --> 00:27:47,905.0894979 Oh my God. 408 00:27:47,905.0894979 --> 00:27:49,705.0894979 That is mortifying. 409 00:27:51,85.0894979 --> 00:27:55,825.0894979 The hoax email fallout was, it was a fake Gmail claiming to be Mary. 410 00:27:56,185.0894979 --> 00:28:00,205.0894979 It had full salary data in it that was. 411 00:28:00,760.0894979 --> 00:28:03,40.0894979 Mostly correct is what we understand. 412 00:28:03,460.0894979 --> 00:28:06,730.0894979 And that was from staff confirming that yeah, that information was there. 413 00:28:07,0.0894979 --> 00:28:14,0.0894979 Hr, gossip and confidential performance information, it caused mass internal paranoia and staff outrage. 414 00:28:14,750.0894979 --> 00:28:21,480.0894979 It said that the forensic data pointed to Bridget, but again, that's not confirmed or proven. 415 00:28:21,990.0894979 --> 00:28:25,475.0894979 Police are involved and this has a lot of media coverage. 416 00:28:27,255.0894979 --> 00:28:32,685.0894979 And what Murray has also said is that this has had devastating consequences for her personally. 417 00:28:33,15.0894979 --> 00:28:37,425.0894979 And if that is the case and she's the victim, that's awful. 418 00:28:37,605.0894979 --> 00:28:38,655.0894979 Oh, it is awful. 419 00:28:39,255.0894979 --> 00:28:43,995.0894979 For me, it's not just the league, it's that a former employee had access to this. 420 00:28:44,45.0894979 --> 00:28:48,665.0894979 And a motive and use hrs own playbook to take them all down. 421 00:28:48,665.0894979 --> 00:28:49,475.0894979 It's just. 422 00:28:50,645.0894979 --> 00:28:53,495.0894979 It's so it, it's so juicy. 423 00:28:54,785.0894979 --> 00:28:55,745.0894979 Absolutely. 424 00:28:56,525.0894979 --> 00:29:02,345.0894979 So MA is now suing Slater and Gordon for negligence and loss of future earnings. 425 00:29:02,885.0894979 --> 00:29:07,715.0894979 She said that they knew about Bridget and she knew, they knew she was a risk and failed to protect her. 426 00:29:07,715.0894979 --> 00:29:10,265.0894979 They should have better protected their data and information. 427 00:29:10,805.0894979 --> 00:29:14,195.0894979 She had received a job offer at Hume Bank and that was rescinded. 428 00:29:14,865.0894979 --> 00:29:20,355.0894979 And Slater's delay in publicly exonerating her had devastating consequences to her career. 429 00:29:21,765.0894979 --> 00:29:26,625.0894979 Do you think companies owe public protection to employees in crisis? Absolutely. 430 00:29:26,675.0894979 --> 00:29:30,245.0894979 You can't make an employee your sacrificial lamb if you know it wasn't them. 431 00:29:30,980.0894979 --> 00:29:34,460.0894979 Slater and Gordon could probably argue, oh it was a crisis. 432 00:29:34,460.0894979 --> 00:29:35,510.0894979 We were doing the best we can. 433 00:29:35,510.0894979 --> 00:29:37,40.0894979 We didn't have information correct then. 434 00:29:37,40.0894979 --> 00:29:38,180.0894979 We didn't know what was happening. 435 00:29:38,360.0894979 --> 00:29:44,60.0894979 Once we did know, and to their credit, they did, we, they corrected their position. 436 00:29:45,50.0894979 --> 00:29:47,420.0894979 I guess it's easier to talk about this in retrospect. 437 00:29:47,510.0894979 --> 00:29:47,660.0894979 Yeah. 438 00:29:47,660.0894979 --> 00:29:53,120.0894979 But I can imagine there's a lot of processes being re-looked at right now and refined. 439 00:29:53,120.0894979 --> 00:29:53,180.0894979 Yeah. 440 00:29:54,245.0894979 --> 00:29:58,985.0894979 Bridget's side of the story is that she claims that she is a scapegoat. 441 00:29:58,985.0894979 --> 00:30:00,815.0894979 And I mean, she's not wrong. 442 00:30:00,915.0894979 --> 00:30:02,415.0894979 Something like this is going down. 443 00:30:02,655.0894979 --> 00:30:08,565.0894979 You actually have someone you could think point the finger at that already has a questionable background. 444 00:30:08,865.0894979 --> 00:30:08,895.0894979 Mm. 445 00:30:09,165.0894979 --> 00:30:10,545.0894979 She could easily be a scapegoat. 446 00:30:11,655.0894979 --> 00:30:16,695.0894979 Claims that she uncovered a long running underpayment issue at Slater and Gordon, which she actually did. 447 00:30:17,455.0894979 --> 00:30:20,965.0894979 She was allegedly terminated over a gift card incident. 448 00:30:21,580.0894979 --> 00:30:27,70.0894979 She received a 60 k payout from what we understand from other articles. 449 00:30:27,820.0894979 --> 00:30:35,890.0894979 She allegedly sent a text to Mari four days after the hoax email saying It gives me glee watching all this happen. 450 00:30:36,400.0894979 --> 00:30:38,110.0894979 And again, she's denied everything. 451 00:30:38,110.0894979 --> 00:30:40,480.0894979 She's not been proven, she's not been charged with anything. 452 00:30:40,930.0894979 --> 00:30:46,990.0894979 She has now entered this mess, but haven't seen anything definitively alleged against her or proven. 453 00:30:48,795.0894979 --> 00:30:49,905.0894979 You can see her argument. 454 00:30:49,965.0894979 --> 00:30:51,915.0894979 I uncovered a massive payroll error. 455 00:30:52,485.0894979 --> 00:30:54,165.0894979 And they're just scapegoating me. 456 00:30:54,195.0894979 --> 00:30:55,815.0894979 'cause someone has to take the fall for this. 457 00:30:56,355.0894979 --> 00:30:56,685.0894979 Yeah. 458 00:30:57,255.0894979 --> 00:31:12,755.0894979 And what would you say are the biggest red flags when it comes to corporate governance? Obviously we've spoken about the criminal history and how that was not detected, but also the CEO directly promoting her to a senior role. 459 00:31:14,285.0894979 --> 00:31:20,945.0894979 We've also got the sensitive HR data that was accessible with little oversight that shouldn't have happened. 460 00:31:20,945.0894979 --> 00:31:23,345.0894979 That is unacceptable. 461 00:31:23,465.0894979 --> 00:31:28,355.0894979 Like the fact that she was hired to begin with? Yeah. 462 00:31:28,655.0894979 --> 00:31:35,615.0894979 Or if Slater and Gordon had hired her but knew her full past and had rationale for doing so. 463 00:31:36,395.0894979 --> 00:31:36,725.0894979 Fair. 464 00:31:36,805.0894979 --> 00:31:40,345.0894979 Or what if they knew, but still hy anyway, without rationale. 465 00:31:40,425.0894979 --> 00:31:42,520.0894979 I think we're still finding out what's going on now. 466 00:31:42,520.0894979 --> 00:31:50,915.0894979 We're still finding out, but I would say, a company general takes a risk approach when they hire someone and there was these two young men that. 467 00:31:51,380.0894979 --> 00:32:05,450.0894979 Were sentenced to jail for insider trading, and one of the men involved, he's gone on to now have a very senior role in risk management and he really turned things around and he, his name is Chris Hill and Wow. 468 00:32:05,810.0894979 --> 00:32:09,800.0894979 Yeah, and he it definitely highly recommend looking into the podcast for this, by the way. 469 00:32:09,830.0894979 --> 00:32:10,220.0894979 Okay. 470 00:32:10,280.0894979 --> 00:32:13,460.0894979 It's an excellent series by the A FR. 471 00:32:14,240.0894979 --> 00:32:24,35.0894979 About these two men that did the insider trading, and they still were using that to perform quite a simple yet lucrative scam against the stock market. 472 00:32:25,195.0894979 --> 00:32:30,235.0894979 But he, really turned his life around and they hired him knowing his background and they took a chance on him. 473 00:32:30,685.0894979 --> 00:32:37,735.0894979 And, so not saying that she's irredeemable to earn a corporate role, and not all people can be reformed, but Yeah, exactly. 474 00:32:37,735.0894979 --> 00:32:38,545.0894979 But we don't know. 475 00:32:38,695.0894979 --> 00:32:40,885.0894979 We're gonna make an assumption here that they didn't know that in check. 476 00:32:42,50.0894979 --> 00:32:42,340.0894979 Yeah. 477 00:32:42,680.0894979 --> 00:32:53,65.0894979 And then, yeah, also, you know what I'm curious is what gonna, what's gonna happen? And I, we spoke about this when we initially talked about this is this whole brand distrust. 478 00:32:53,65.0894979 --> 00:33:03,565.0894979 Now we've heard that there's whispers that the morale from staff, it's in tatters, but what happens now? It's just, it seems like it's gonna be ongoing for quite a while. 479 00:33:05,35.0894979 --> 00:33:07,135.0894979 I don't know how they can rehabilitate the brand. 480 00:33:07,195.0894979 --> 00:33:08,995.0894979 This is not going away anytime soon. 481 00:33:08,995.0894979 --> 00:33:14,395.0894979 It's particularly if this goes through the criminal system, this is gonna stick around for ages. 482 00:33:14,755.0894979 --> 00:33:20,545.0894979 If it does through the go through the criminal system, journalists are gonna have a field day with the information that's gonna get discussed. 483 00:33:21,265.0894979 --> 00:33:21,805.0894979 Yeah, they will. 484 00:33:21,805.0894979 --> 00:33:23,155.0894979 They'll have so much to talk about. 485 00:33:23,245.0894979 --> 00:33:30,505.0894979 And really it is a data breach that's happened here, but it's also a breach of trust. 486 00:33:30,540.0894979 --> 00:33:31,140.0894979 From the brand. 487 00:33:31,240.0894979 --> 00:33:32,590.0894979 I'm curious what's gonna happen. 488 00:33:33,220.0894979 --> 00:33:33,910.0894979 Exactly. 489 00:33:34,150.0894979 --> 00:33:36,640.0894979 The lawsuit's alive, the police are investigating. 490 00:33:36,820.0894979 --> 00:33:48,350.0894979 Slater and Gordon are trying to do a full image rehab, we'll provide more information, but I think there's one thing we can say from what, this will be a very expensive. 491 00:33:49,385.0894979 --> 00:33:55,475.0894979 Event, very expensive, but also how scary that one person can bring down a whole corporation. 492 00:33:55,805.0894979 --> 00:33:57,425.0894979 It's decades of legacy. 493 00:33:58,75.0894979 --> 00:34:00,385.0894979 A quick legal note before we dive in. 494 00:34:00,595.0894979 --> 00:34:03,295.0894979 Erin Patterson's trial is still underway in Victoria. 495 00:34:03,445.0894979 --> 00:34:06,985.0894979 She has pleaded not guilty and remains presumed innocent. 496 00:34:07,195.0894979 --> 00:34:10,645.0894979 We're only summarizing evidence heard in open court and reputable news. 497 00:34:10,825.0894979 --> 00:34:16,615.0894979 This is commentary, not news, facts or verdict, calling if you're a juror, witness or otherwise involved in the case. 498 00:34:16,675.0894979 --> 00:34:19,615.0894979 Please stop listening now and return after the trial ends. 499 00:34:20,159.0804276 --> 00:34:23,159.0804276 Gab, we've got a little intro song for the Def Cap Diaries. 500 00:34:23,399.0804276 --> 00:34:25,814.0804276 I really love your passion for this segment. 501 00:34:26,159.0804276 --> 00:34:27,569.0804276 It's made by chat chick BT. 502 00:34:27,629.0804276 --> 00:34:28,679.0804276 You ready? Yes. 503 00:34:30,764.0804276 --> 00:34:38,744.0804276 After the last sip of coffee on a Saturday afternoon, three people dead. 504 00:34:39,284.0804276 --> 00:34:42,914.0804276 One more clinging to life from the fatal mushrooms. 505 00:34:43,934.0804276 --> 00:34:51,539.0804276 At the Beef Wellington Munch, we bring you the death diaries. 506 00:34:58,669.0804276 --> 00:35:00,434.0804276 That is so incredible. 507 00:35:00,494.0804276 --> 00:35:01,304.0804276 I love it. 508 00:35:01,344.0804276 --> 00:35:02,814.0804276 We are playing that every week now. 509 00:35:03,474.0804276 --> 00:35:04,974.0804276 Just, it's so dramatic. 510 00:35:05,4.0804276 --> 00:35:05,814.0804276 It's so dramatic. 511 00:35:05,814.0804276 --> 00:35:07,194.0804276 But so is this case. 512 00:35:07,194.0804276 --> 00:35:10,614.0804276 I mean, oh, I know, it's, I know it's giving us everything right now. 513 00:35:10,644.0804276 --> 00:35:13,554.0804276 It is week three and four because we couldn't record early this week. 514 00:35:13,554.0804276 --> 00:35:17,424.0804276 So we're recording on Saturday morning, which means we have weeks three and four. 515 00:35:17,424.0804276 --> 00:35:29,354.0804276 So it's Monday the 12th of May to Friday, the 23rd of May of coverage to bring you We have heard from mushroom experts called Mycologist. 516 00:35:30,194.0804276 --> 00:35:44,889.0804276 Week three, dumped Science on the jury, and could you imagine sitting there and listening to this highly technical information from mushroom enthusiasts? It'd be combined of going, wow, this is a whole other world I didn't know exist. 517 00:35:44,939.0804276 --> 00:35:49,169.0804276 But also I can imagine parts of it is so dry, a hundred percent. 518 00:35:49,389.0804276 --> 00:35:51,399.0804276 You have to think about how you can keep the jury. 519 00:35:51,984.0804276 --> 00:35:57,114.0804276 Engaged and then convey and synthesize so much information to your average lay person. 520 00:35:57,594.0804276 --> 00:35:59,544.0804276 We also had one juror booted. 521 00:35:59,774.0804276 --> 00:36:09,134.0804276 The judge removed a sitting juror after a report was made that the juror was discussing the case with family and friends, which they're absolutely not meant to do. 522 00:36:09,564.0804276 --> 00:36:10,464.0804276 The judge wasn't. 523 00:36:10,879.0804276 --> 00:36:12,139.0804276 Absolutely sure it happened. 524 00:36:12,319.0804276 --> 00:36:14,689.0804276 But in the abundance of caution, yes. 525 00:36:14,719.0804276 --> 00:36:16,309.0804276 They remove the juror. 526 00:36:16,339.0804276 --> 00:36:18,259.0804276 And they do have a couple of alternates anyway. 527 00:36:18,479.0804276 --> 00:36:26,329.0804276 When the jury actually goes out to deliberate, they'll pull numbers and determine which of the 12 jury will do a jury outcome. 528 00:36:26,329.0804276 --> 00:36:28,389.0804276 And then the others will be dismissed. 529 00:36:29,139.0804276 --> 00:36:29,649.0804276 Yes. 530 00:36:29,649.0804276 --> 00:36:32,64.0804276 And then we had Dr. 531 00:36:32,64.0804276 --> 00:36:32,949.0804276 David Lovelock. 532 00:36:34,124.0804276 --> 00:36:49,874.0804276 Talk more about the dosing and the debates around the match with the dehydrator, right? So we found that the 99% of the DNIA of the death cap mushrooms matched on the dehydrator, but zero in that leftover slice that was found in the bin. 533 00:36:50,384.0804276 --> 00:36:54,74.0804276 I know, and this makes you wonder, did she have two bake wellingtons? Not sure. 534 00:36:54,704.0804276 --> 00:36:55,184.0804276 Yeah. 535 00:36:56,24.0804276 --> 00:36:56,324.0804276 Right. 536 00:36:56,354.0804276 --> 00:36:57,344.0804276 Because of the plates. 537 00:36:57,344.0804276 --> 00:36:57,704.0804276 Right. 538 00:36:58,94.0804276 --> 00:37:00,794.0804276 It would've been based on this. 539 00:37:01,634.0804276 --> 00:37:04,334.0804276 Two different prepared beat filings. 540 00:37:04,904.0804276 --> 00:37:05,354.0804276 Allegedly. 541 00:37:05,354.0804276 --> 00:37:05,714.0804276 Batches. 542 00:37:05,719.0804276 --> 00:37:06,49.0804276 Allegedly. 543 00:37:06,54.0804276 --> 00:37:06,404.0804276 Allegedly. 544 00:37:06,404.0804276 --> 00:37:07,394.0804276 Allegedly, obviously. 545 00:37:07,394.0804276 --> 00:37:07,484.0804276 Yeah. 546 00:37:09,224.0804276 --> 00:37:15,254.0804276 So yeah, so that's what we've heard from Jessica, looking at who we have spoken to. 547 00:37:15,254.0804276 --> 00:37:19,754.0804276 So week one we had doctors providing information on. 548 00:37:21,569.0804276 --> 00:37:32,309.0804276 The patients that presented to hospital, we heard that Erin's liver was pristine, she was in fine health, not affected by the death cap, whatever, which was not the case to everyone else at that lunch. 549 00:37:32,549.0804276 --> 00:37:34,19.0804276 No, they were very, they were not so lucky. 550 00:37:35,69.0804276 --> 00:37:47,879.0804276 Thomas May he provided a death clap cap mushroom masterclass, and he also owns or manages the iNaturalist website and he posted near out trim. 551 00:37:48,779.0804276 --> 00:37:53,939.0804276 When he was visiting and then Erin's phone was found to have pinged in rum the following day. 552 00:37:54,479.0804276 --> 00:37:56,279.0804276 Coincidence? Coincidence. 553 00:37:57,569.0804276 --> 00:37:58,709.0804276 We heard from Dr. 554 00:37:58,709.0804276 --> 00:38:04,889.0804276 Camille Trong, who I understand is actually French and she analyzed the beef Wellington. 555 00:38:05,374.0804276 --> 00:38:05,944.0804276 Scraps. 556 00:38:06,34.0804276 --> 00:38:22,824.0804276 So when Erin presented to hospital at the same time the police were doing a welfare check on Erin and they were at her house and they were like, how fortuitous, can you please find the remains from the Beef Wellington lunch? So the police pulled those out of her bin and Camille Trug received them. 557 00:38:23,94.0804276 --> 00:38:29,864.0804276 She works at the Royal Botanic Gardens as a specialist with mushrooms and other matter. 558 00:38:30,614.0804276 --> 00:38:39,984.0804276 She brought them home, looked at them in a telescope, and she found only Woolies buttons mushrooms in the scraps that she was looking at on that. 559 00:38:40,74.0804276 --> 00:38:43,914.0804276 I know this is a little bit off topic, but there was something weird around. 560 00:38:44,289.0804276 --> 00:38:48,729.0804276 Getting those leftovers delivered to a house, an issue with the transport or something. 561 00:38:48,729.0804276 --> 00:38:55,389.0804276 They were transported in a taxi, but I think at the time they weren't really seeing this as transporting evidence. 562 00:38:55,539.0804276 --> 00:38:56,829.0804276 They saw this as, oh, true. 563 00:38:56,889.0804276 --> 00:39:04,599.0804276 We need to, as soon as possible understand what on earth these people have been a diagnose these people and so what's the treatment? Yeah. 564 00:39:04,654.0804276 --> 00:39:15,4.0804276 The botanical garden specialists, they often are based there, but they do look at this stuff quite often when animals are poisoned, humans are poisoned to try and provide assistance where they can. 565 00:39:16,684.0804276 --> 00:39:27,994.0804276 We also saw CCTV footage of Erin ditching her dehydrated 24 hours after the lunch, so that was found on video footage and jersey Oh, Izzy y. 566 00:39:28,24.0804276 --> 00:39:31,739.0804276 She also paid on credit card to dump the mushroom dehydrator as well. 567 00:39:32,254.0804276 --> 00:39:34,384.0804276 It's a little bit baffling, a little bit messy. 568 00:39:34,594.0804276 --> 00:39:41,624.0804276 So because of that, the police were then able to go to the tip and be like, Hey, do you have a dehydrator here? And they're like, yeah, we do actually. 569 00:39:42,164.0804276 --> 00:39:45,314.0804276 So they tested that and they found death cap remains. 570 00:39:45,914.0804276 --> 00:39:49,4.0804276 In the dehydrator a lot happened. 571 00:39:49,4.0804276 --> 00:39:52,244.0804276 So that was week three, but we've had week four as well. 572 00:39:53,384.0804276 --> 00:39:53,594.0804276 Yeah. 573 00:39:54,224.0804276 --> 00:40:00,344.0804276 So what happened in week four is we heard more from the mushroom specialists. 574 00:40:00,674.0804276 --> 00:40:13,634.0804276 We also had some technical evidence on the phone tower, so where Erin's handset was lingering in lock and out trim, and how they connected to publications on the iNaturalist website regarding death cap mushrooms. 575 00:40:13,964.0804276 --> 00:40:16,514.0804276 Now I've been, I've not been to Outra, I've been to lock. 576 00:40:17,249.0804276 --> 00:40:19,259.0804276 It's a cute little town, by the way. 577 00:40:19,259.0804276 --> 00:40:21,719.0804276 Great cafe there that I enjoy. 578 00:40:21,799.0804276 --> 00:40:25,399.0804276 But I feel like if you are to travel there, there's not much around there. 579 00:40:25,399.0804276 --> 00:40:29,509.0804276 It's if you're traveling to that spot, it's gotta be a reason. 580 00:40:29,509.0804276 --> 00:40:33,79.0804276 It's not like it's on, it is in its own spot. 581 00:40:33,319.0804276 --> 00:40:33,649.0804276 Yeah. 582 00:40:33,649.0804276 --> 00:40:35,209.0804276 And we haven't heard yet. 583 00:40:35,614.0804276 --> 00:40:40,234.0804276 Any information as to why Erin was there and she could legitimately have been there for all we know. 584 00:40:40,234.0804276 --> 00:40:42,754.0804276 She could have been having a coffee, she could have been meeting someone. 585 00:40:43,74.0804276 --> 00:40:45,144.0804276 It just could be a coincidence. 586 00:40:45,144.0804276 --> 00:40:47,184.0804276 So we can't really take anything from there. 587 00:40:47,184.0804276 --> 00:40:47,274.0804276 True. 588 00:40:47,764.0804276 --> 00:40:53,284.0804276 But that is the, the layering of the case that the prosecution is putting forward. 589 00:40:54,424.0804276 --> 00:41:01,379.0804276 We also saw some CCTV footage of Erin on the day that she alleged had severe diarrhea attending a servo. 590 00:41:02,9.0804276 --> 00:41:05,759.0804276 For a ten second loose stop and then also doing a little bit of shopping when she was in the store. 591 00:41:06,569.0804276 --> 00:41:07,769.0804276 10 seconds. 592 00:41:08,99.0804276 --> 00:41:08,819.0804276 It's quite quick. 593 00:41:09,509.0804276 --> 00:41:16,289.0804276 I mean, I'm just drawing on what you would anticipate that would take. 594 00:41:16,349.0804276 --> 00:41:17,609.0804276 It would take a bit longer than that. 595 00:41:17,939.0804276 --> 00:41:20,999.0804276 Yeah, would most likely Would think. 596 00:41:20,999.0804276 --> 00:41:21,2.0804276 You would think. 597 00:41:21,2.0804276 --> 00:41:21,509.0804276 You'd think you would think. 598 00:41:22,439.0804276 --> 00:41:28,379.0804276 We also heard more about the analysis of Erin Patterson's device. 599 00:41:29,324.0804276 --> 00:41:37,694.0804276 And we also had some extraction from victim Gail Patterson's phone as well with the the device, the factory reset. 600 00:41:38,864.0804276 --> 00:41:43,139.0804276 We learned that her phone was factory reset, not twice, but even a third time. 601 00:41:43,139.0804276 --> 00:41:45,539.0804276 Once it was, yeah, they had her phone in custody. 602 00:41:46,19.0804276 --> 00:41:47,219.0804276 She tried to do it remotely. 603 00:41:47,719.0804276 --> 00:41:48,639.0804276 And I also did that. 604 00:41:48,639.0804276 --> 00:41:51,489.0804276 I got a new iPhone and I reset the phone. 605 00:41:51,489.0804276 --> 00:41:59,549.0804276 I didn't know if I'd do it properly, so I did go into my iCloud and try and really reset it It could be, could have some lines to draw from that. 606 00:41:59,979.0804276 --> 00:42:13,929.0804276 Finally, and I found this one really funny, is they had some Facebook Messenger messages put up in the trial on Friday afternoon, and it was Erin venting in her group chat of friends. 607 00:42:14,79.0804276 --> 00:42:16,314.0804276 So some friends that she met on a true crime page. 608 00:42:16,314.0804276 --> 00:42:18,674.0804276 Oh, these, the Facebook gals? Yeah. 609 00:42:18,694.0804276 --> 00:42:22,479.0804276 But the problem was so what we understand is there was a comment that was like. 610 00:42:23,34.0804276 --> 00:42:26,424.0804276 This bloody family or something like that with a bunch of emojis. 611 00:42:26,634.0804276 --> 00:42:32,844.0804276 But because they were like put up on the screen quite far away, the journalists were like rushing to look at it. 612 00:42:32,844.0804276 --> 00:42:33,714.0804276 'cause I think. 613 00:42:34,359.0804276 --> 00:42:37,689.0804276 Emojis mean so much in terms of context oh, that's true. 614 00:42:37,739.0804276 --> 00:42:38,999.0804276 There's emoji for everything now. 615 00:42:38,999.0804276 --> 00:42:39,59.0804276 Yeah. 616 00:42:39,59.0804276 --> 00:42:53,889.0804276 Was it like the laughing face emoji? Was it like the scattered, exploding brain emoji? Was it an eggplant emoji? Was it a mushroom? Was it a mushroom emoji? What was it actually? What were the emojis? They couldn't see them, but Oh, no. 617 00:42:53,889.0804276 --> 00:42:54,250.0804276 Yeah, yeah. 618 00:42:54,255.0804276 --> 00:42:55,689.0804276 They couldn't see that far away. 619 00:42:56,919.0804276 --> 00:42:57,129.0804276 Everyone. 620 00:42:57,129.0804276 --> 00:42:57,939.0804276 I'm sad about that. 621 00:42:57,939.0804276 --> 00:43:06,259.0804276 I would like to know everyone was like rushing to sign like to the monitors to be like, what is that? And then looking at their phones to be like, what was the emoji? Because we, you are right. 622 00:43:06,259.0804276 --> 00:43:07,154.0804276 It's contexts context. 623 00:43:07,154.0804276 --> 00:43:08,194.0804276 It's extra contexts. 624 00:43:08,194.0804276 --> 00:43:08,195.0804276 Context. 625 00:43:08,200.0804276 --> 00:43:08,449.0804276 Yeah. 626 00:43:08,479.0804276 --> 00:43:17,769.0804276 Like we definitely have emojis to sort of describe situations and that can, differentiate the, this statement and how I actually feel about this statement. 627 00:43:17,799.0804276 --> 00:43:18,339.0804276 Yeah, you're right. 628 00:43:18,339.0804276 --> 00:43:20,229.0804276 It could really change the meaning of anything. 629 00:43:20,379.0804276 --> 00:43:20,589.0804276 Mm. 630 00:43:20,649.0804276 --> 00:43:22,749.0804276 So we dunno what the emojis were. 631 00:43:23,529.0804276 --> 00:43:35,679.0804276 We also then heard more information about the treatment of the lunch attendees in ICU and what they experienced towards the end, and that was really sad. 632 00:43:35,799.0804276 --> 00:43:36,219.0804276 Yeah. 633 00:43:36,579.0804276 --> 00:43:40,649.0804276 To wrap up week four, then we traded the lab coats for laptops. 634 00:43:40,654.0804276 --> 00:43:40,814.0804276 Mm-hmm. 635 00:43:40,894.0804276 --> 00:43:41,454.0804276 And feelings. 636 00:43:41,454.0804276 --> 00:43:41,455.0804276 Mm-hmm. 637 00:43:41,879.0804276 --> 00:43:51,59.0804276 The prosecution painted motive, so that family friction means, so foraging and dehydration, and also attempted cover up. 638 00:43:51,59.0804276 --> 00:44:00,959.0804276 So that device wipes that we spoke about, the defense still steals banking on reasonable doubt, circumstantial tech breadcrumbs and errands, clean tox green. 639 00:44:01,199.0804276 --> 00:44:01,319.0804276 Mm-hmm. 640 00:44:02,99.0804276 --> 00:44:04,439.0804276 So from here we. 641 00:44:05,489.0804276 --> 00:44:09,869.0804276 Assuming that we've probably got a week or two maybe left of the prosecution evidence. 642 00:44:10,259.0804276 --> 00:44:14,459.0804276 They originally said that the trial would be five or six weeks, but that was just an estimate. 643 00:44:14,459.0804276 --> 00:44:17,579.0804276 The ju the trial will take as long as the trial needs to take. 644 00:44:17,819.0804276 --> 00:44:22,589.0804276 So the judge just did that to roughly give people a placeholder of how long to expect to be involved. 645 00:44:22,949.0804276 --> 00:44:26,249.0804276 But we think the prosecution will we done in about a week or two. 646 00:44:27,544.0804276 --> 00:44:29,794.0804276 And then we'll have the defense. 647 00:44:29,974.0804276 --> 00:44:31,654.0804276 We dunno who they're gonna call yet. 648 00:44:31,804.0804276 --> 00:44:33,94.0804276 I'm so curious. 649 00:44:33,304.0804276 --> 00:44:33,904.0804276 Yes. 650 00:44:33,934.0804276 --> 00:44:35,794.0804276 We, so many people have been called so far. 651 00:44:35,794.0804276 --> 00:44:35,884.0804276 Yes. 652 00:44:36,124.0804276 --> 00:44:36,724.0804276 They're not allowed. 653 00:44:36,814.0804276 --> 00:44:43,834.0804276 So what's the deal now is that they're not only allowed to call people if there's a new information, new information from them. 654 00:44:43,834.0804276 --> 00:44:44,14.0804276 Okay. 655 00:44:44,224.0804276 --> 00:44:46,264.0804276 Generally just to help things move forward. 656 00:44:46,534.0804276 --> 00:44:49,264.0804276 The prosecution will present the witness Yeah. 657 00:44:49,269.0804276 --> 00:44:50,974.0804276 That, that they both wanna speak to. 658 00:44:51,334.0804276 --> 00:44:54,84.0804276 And then the defense gets to ask anything further from them. 659 00:44:54,84.0804276 --> 00:44:54,384.0804276 Right. 660 00:44:55,54.0804276 --> 00:44:57,154.0804276 Sometimes they don't say anything at all 'cause it's agreed evidence. 661 00:44:57,154.0804276 --> 00:44:58,114.0804276 So they're like, yep, that's fine. 662 00:44:58,114.0804276 --> 00:45:01,324.0804276 And they'll just read out what it was, or they'll just present it as a bundle to the jury. 663 00:45:01,924.0804276 --> 00:45:07,804.0804276 But what we will know when the defense comes on deck is if Erin will testify or not. 664 00:45:07,804.0804276 --> 00:45:08,734.0804276 Yeah, she absolutely doesn't. 665 00:45:08,734.0804276 --> 00:45:09,454.0804276 She doesn't have to. 666 00:45:09,694.0804276 --> 00:45:13,984.0804276 And you can't infer anything from her or testifying or not testifying. 667 00:45:14,914.0804276 --> 00:45:17,224.0804276 We will just wait to see how that plays out. 668 00:45:17,494.0804276 --> 00:45:22,894.0804276 Well, if they put Erin in the box, that's high risk, but could be high reward. 669 00:45:23,314.0804276 --> 00:45:36,44.0804276 But otherwise, if she stays silent, you could argue the crown hasn't crossed the beyond reasonable doubt line pointing to no toxin in Erin, no eyewitness to foraging and gaps in the leftover tests. 670 00:45:36,104.0804276 --> 00:45:36,404.0804276 Yeah. 671 00:45:36,404.0804276 --> 00:45:38,604.0804276 So we wait and see where it comes from there. 672 00:45:38,604.0804276 --> 00:45:38,754.0804276 Yeah. 673 00:45:39,384.0804276 --> 00:45:39,714.0804276 But. 674 00:45:40,359.0804276 --> 00:45:42,429.0804276 The public narrative on this has been huge. 675 00:45:42,429.0804276 --> 00:45:51,144.0804276 We have so many true crime podcasts, the tabloids, the TikTok recipe jokes, next will be the Netflix Doco when they're allowed to, and I'm ready for it. 676 00:45:51,234.0804276 --> 00:45:57,654.0804276 Yeah, gab, just as part of our intense research on this, you went foraging or you went on your mushroom observation tour. 677 00:45:57,654.0804276 --> 00:45:57,774.0804276 I did. 678 00:45:57,804.0804276 --> 00:46:01,14.0804276 It's really easy to find mushrooms out there, especially in autumn. 679 00:46:01,104.0804276 --> 00:46:01,434.0804276 Yeah. 680 00:46:01,614.0804276 --> 00:46:04,314.0804276 Well, I actually, what did you do? I cooked a beef Wellington. 681 00:46:04,884.0804276 --> 00:46:06,699.0804276 Did you make that? Oh no, I didn't make it. 682 00:46:06,699.0804276 --> 00:46:07,119.0804276 I bought it. 683 00:46:07,119.0804276 --> 00:46:10,309.0804276 I went to, I was cooking dinner for a friend, and it's quite impressive. 684 00:46:10,309.0804276 --> 00:46:11,959.0804276 It had this big C on it I thought. 685 00:46:12,704.0804276 --> 00:46:13,814.0804276 No, it wasn't C for Claire. 686 00:46:13,814.0804276 --> 00:46:14,924.0804276 It was C for Cannings. 687 00:46:14,954.0804276 --> 00:46:18,674.0804276 'cause oh, I went to the butchers and they had beef Wellington in the window. 688 00:46:18,974.0804276 --> 00:46:29,134.0804276 And leading up to the dinner we joked about, are you making beef Wellington? And I was like, oh my God, could you imagine? But I went in there, I saw it, and I was like, oh my God. 689 00:46:29,164.0804276 --> 00:46:30,964.0804276 Have you always had these? And they're like, yeah. 690 00:46:30,964.0804276 --> 00:46:32,824.0804276 As soon as we put them out, they sell. 691 00:46:33,124.0804276 --> 00:46:34,384.0804276 And we didn't have them until. 692 00:46:35,89.0804276 --> 00:46:36,79.0804276 Mushroom ga. 693 00:46:36,79.0804276 --> 00:46:37,489.0804276 This is so funny. 694 00:46:37,519.0804276 --> 00:46:44,539.0804276 I'm so curious about Beef Wellington sales and if they've skyrocketed, we'll have to look into this, but now I feel like maybe that's my dinner tonight. 695 00:46:44,749.0804276 --> 00:46:46,189.0804276 Yeah, it was quite nice. 696 00:46:46,189.0804276 --> 00:46:48,559.0804276 I'd never had beef Wellington before, so I was curious. 697 00:46:48,619.0804276 --> 00:46:48,679.0804276 No. 698 00:46:48,679.0804276 --> 00:46:50,299.0804276 Can I be like, neither have I. 699 00:46:50,329.0804276 --> 00:46:52,509.0804276 So what is it? Is it meat? It's a beef. 700 00:46:52,509.0804276 --> 00:46:52,869.0804276 I fillet. 701 00:46:53,199.0804276 --> 00:46:54,339.0804276 And the beef lo was lovely. 702 00:46:54,339.0804276 --> 00:46:54,759.0804276 Is it stewed? No. 703 00:46:55,239.0804276 --> 00:46:57,309.0804276 So it's like a fresh cut of beef. 704 00:46:57,344.0804276 --> 00:46:57,634.0804276 Okay. 705 00:46:57,909.0804276 --> 00:46:58,359.0804276 It's sead. 706 00:46:59,419.0804276 --> 00:47:01,49.0804276 Then it was wrapped in pastry. 707 00:47:01,49.0804276 --> 00:47:01,739.0804276 Prosciutto. 708 00:47:01,889.0804276 --> 00:47:02,69.0804276 Oh. 709 00:47:02,69.0804276 --> 00:47:05,729.0804276 But it had dile, which is the minced mushroom paste. 710 00:47:06,629.0804276 --> 00:47:06,659.0804276 Oh. 711 00:47:06,689.0804276 --> 00:47:07,529.0804276 Wrapped in prosciutto. 712 00:47:07,529.0804276 --> 00:47:13,799.0804276 I don't know if the prosciutto's normal or not, but this one was wrapped in prosciutto and then it had a beautiful layer of pastry with an egg wash on it. 713 00:47:14,9.0804276 --> 00:47:15,749.0804276 Yu and I I overcooked it 'cause. 714 00:47:16,189.0804276 --> 00:47:19,279.0804276 They said 35 minutes at one 90 and I was like, well, it's not much time. 715 00:47:19,279.0804276 --> 00:47:21,409.0804276 So I cooked for 45 and it was definitely overcooked. 716 00:47:21,469.0804276 --> 00:47:22,279.0804276 Oh, that's good to know. 717 00:47:22,369.0804276 --> 00:47:22,729.0804276 Okay. 718 00:47:22,819.0804276 --> 00:47:24,419.0804276 Yeah, but it was tasty. 719 00:47:24,699.0804276 --> 00:47:29,79.0804276 And I feel like I am really well-rounded now to talk about death cap diaries. 720 00:47:29,739.0804276 --> 00:47:34,399.0804276 Yeah, you can imagine that they, if it was that tasty as well, like why they ate the whole thing. 721 00:47:34,399.0804276 --> 00:47:38,179.0804276 And I think for Don, was it who ate one and a half servings? Yeah. 722 00:47:38,179.0804276 --> 00:47:39,79.0804276 He really tucked in. 723 00:47:39,289.0804276 --> 00:47:39,799.0804276 Mm-hmm. 724 00:47:41,221.0337148 --> 00:47:48,211.0337148 That's it for this week's spin cycle where we've tackled federal trials, hoaxes and alleged fraudsters, and a few too many fungi. 725 00:47:48,841.0337148 --> 00:47:50,791.0337148 If you like this episode, please subscribe. 726 00:47:50,821.0337148 --> 00:47:55,621.0337148 Leave us a review or share it with someone who's still trying to understand what racketeering is. 727 00:47:55,891.0337148 --> 00:47:59,881.0337148 We'll be back next week with more headlines, more spin, and more layers to peel back. 728 00:48:00,331.0337148 --> 00:48:05,701.0337148 Until then, stay smart, stay skeptical, and maybe check your pantry for any suspicious mushrooms. 729 00:48:05,821.0337148 --> 00:48:06,241.0337148 Bye-bye.

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