U.S. Immigration Protests, Prime Time News Cancelled, Erin Patterson’s Trial Final Week, Sabrina Carpenter Album Controversy

This week on Spin Cycle:

We delve into the narratives shaping today's headlines, offering sharp analysis and fresh perspectives on the stories everyone’s discussing.

In this episode:

• The Decline of Australian Primetime News Panels: We examine the recent cancellations of The Project and Q+A, exploring what this shift means for Australian current affairs journalism and the broader media landscape.

• US Immigration Protests and Trump's Military Parade: A detailed look at the recent protests in Los Angeles, analyzing the causes, including I.C.E. enforcement actions, political implications, and the narratives shaping public opinion. We also discuss the controversial military parade celebrating Trump's birthday and its impact on the national discourse.

• Erin Patterson Mushroom Trial Coverage: Continuing our in-depth reporting on the Erin Patterson case, we discuss the latest courtroom developments and public reactions to this high-profile trial.

• The $12 Coffee Debate: Is Australia's café culture at a crossroads? We delve into the factors driving up coffee prices and what this means for consumers and businesses alike.

• Sabrina Carpenter's 'Man's Best Friend' Album Cover Controversy: We explore the discourse surrounding Sabrina Carpenter's new album, Man's Best Friend, discussing themes of feminism, marketing strategies, and public reception.

Plus, we share our personal takes on the week, including fashion dilemmas, viral news, and the latest in our media consumption.

Legal Disclaimer – Erin Patterson Case:

Erin Patterson’s trial is ongoing in Victoria. She has pleaded not guilty and is presumed innocent. Our discussion summarizes publicly available information from reputable news sources and court proceedings. This content is intended for commentary purposes only and does not constitute factual reporting or legal judgment. If you are a juror, witness, or otherwise involved in the case, please refrain from listening until the trial concludes.

Episode Transcript

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Claire, I wanna talk to you about the difference in how busy a sauna can feel when you're, say, at the hot springs versus if you are just at the sauna within your building.
Go on.
We've all been to the hot springs.
People are shoulder to shoulder in the public area, mm-hmm.
And you you see a gap and you go, yeah, I'm taking it.
I'm gonna make most of it.

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Whereas I feel like.
We are very lucky at Corey's place that they have facilities like this.
But if there is one other person in that sauna, it's like you you reconsider, you go, oh, it's busy, I'm not gonna do it.
Or you're like, I'm gonna sit in the forest away and pretend like this person doesn't exist.
Right.
Yeah.
And so this time we thought, all right, we're just gonna do it.

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Then a few other people came and I'm, was there anyone in there before you got in? Yeah, there was.
Mm-hmm.
These two women, a mother and a daughter.
Mm-hmm.
And then they went out to the pool area and we think, great, it's us.
Then we start hearing this conversation.
And that mom and daughter totally went in there to just have a gal's evening relax.
Mm.

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And they were completely intercepted by this random guy in the pool who just started trauma dumping on them about relationships.
And they didn't know this guy.
No.
And just asking everything about, her ex-husband, her child.
So it was full on.
We actually ended up just going out there and sitting in the pool just to hear it, but.

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It was the most entertaining Monday night.
Oh my God.
What did the mother and the daughter do? Oh, in the end, they left.
Yes.
The mum was pretending she didn't speak English, which I loved.
I like I feel like I would do that.
Just going, I don't want a bar.
And then in the end, 'cause they were they were Polish and he's like, oh, great.
DNM, yeah, great DNM.
I'm like, they don't even, they probably don't even know what A DNM is like.

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Just leave them alone.
Do then start on YouTube.
No.
No, he didn't.
But to be honest, we, when they left, we left, we'd had enough.
Oh, wow.
And he's just stayed in there waiting for the next victim.
Wow.
Because building etiquette is different.
Surely you'd just be quiet.
Also, he was screaming like he was so loud.

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Oh my God.
Have you seen him since? No, I haven't.
And I don't know if it's an Aussie thing, but he kept, she, when every time he'd ask her a question, as soon as she responded, he'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like all over what she was saying.
Oh no.
Okay.
That's terrible.
It was hilarious.
Coming up this week on Spin Cycle, we're deep diving into the death of primetime news panels.

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Yep.
The project and the q and a both got their curtain calls and what it says about the future of real journalism.
Plus, we're breaking down for you what's happening in the US and why everyone is protesting.
Plus, we're gonna be talking about Erin Patterson's latest week on the stand, $12 Coffees and Sabrina Carpenter's new album cover, which.

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Is either a feminist power move or not, and it's completely broken.
The internet from courtroom chaos to cultural controversy, it's all spin and we're here to break it down for you. 64 00:03:16,974.74157734 --> 00:03:23,229.74157734 Welcome to Spin Cycle, where we dig into the stories shaping the world and take a closer look at the patterns, power plays. 65 00:03:23,229.74157734 --> 00:03:24,999.74157734 And yes, the biases hiding in plain sight. 66 00:03:25,429.74157734 --> 00:03:30,949.74157734 Where Gab and Claire, two friends with MBAs, a lot of opinions and a healthy amount of skepticism. 67 00:03:31,219.74157734 --> 00:03:34,249.74157734 We are here to help you think twice and maybe have a few laughs. 68 00:03:34,519.74157734 --> 00:03:48,109.74157734 Let's get spinning, but first Gab, what's top of mind for you this week? It has to be the Air India crash that's happened this week that, oh goodness, and obviously so serious. 69 00:03:48,109.74157734 --> 00:03:52,159.74157734 241 of the 242 people on that plane died. 70 00:03:52,674.74157734 --> 00:03:58,464.74157734 But what has really stuck with me is the person who survived, sat in the seat. 71 00:03:58,524.74157734 --> 00:03:59,604.74157734 11 a. 72 00:03:59,994.74157734 --> 00:04:00,324.74157734 Yeah. 73 00:04:00,324.74157734 --> 00:04:02,154.74157734 And he got off the plane and he ran down the street. 74 00:04:02,574.74157734 --> 00:04:02,874.74157734 Yeah. 75 00:04:02,874.74157734 --> 00:04:17,279.74157734 So what I wonder now is that seat gonna become the most popular seat? Are they gonna drive the prices up of 11 A on a flight? I wonder that will absolutely be considered some kind of sign. 76 00:04:17,279.74157734 --> 00:04:21,749.74157734 'cause previously the statistical data said that the safest place to be on the plane is at the back. 77 00:04:21,749.74157734 --> 00:04:22,469.74157734 Is at the back. 78 00:04:22,499.74157734 --> 00:04:22,949.74157734 At the back. 79 00:04:22,949.74157734 --> 00:04:24,179.74157734 But now 11 a. 80 00:04:24,599.74157734 --> 00:04:25,19.74157734 Yeah. 81 00:04:25,169.74157734 --> 00:04:27,689.74157734 And what about you? Oh goodness. 82 00:04:29,874.74157734 --> 00:04:30,164.74157734 Okay. 83 00:04:30,509.74157734 --> 00:04:33,869.74157734 Top of mind for me this week is I have been on a quest. 84 00:04:34,634.74157734 --> 00:04:42,434.74157734 What is your quest? I've been on a quest to get the perfect Melbourne long puffa jacket and essential for this season an essential. 85 00:04:42,434.74157734 --> 00:04:45,654.74157734 And I'm also gonna Tasmanian this week, which is colder than here. 86 00:04:45,659.74157734 --> 00:04:46,589.74157734 So you have to, it's freezing. 87 00:04:46,764.74157734 --> 00:04:52,514.74157734 So I need a nice puffa jacket, but I think I have tried on 50 Puffa jackets. 88 00:04:53,354.74157734 --> 00:04:53,624.74157734 Okay. 89 00:04:53,624.74157734 --> 00:04:54,674.74157734 I am very interested here. 90 00:04:55,304.74157734 --> 00:04:57,224.74157734 So you found one? I did find one. 91 00:04:57,224.74157734 --> 00:04:58,394.74157734 I felt like Cinderella. 92 00:04:58,784.74157734 --> 00:05:06,254.74157734 And may I ask what it is? I got a Patagonia one and I've never had Patagonia, but they have a lifetime warranty, which is actually pretty cool. 93 00:05:06,464.74157734 --> 00:05:12,314.74157734 So if the zipper breaks or the buttons break or the down starts spilling out they'll fix it. 94 00:05:12,314.74157734 --> 00:05:13,154.74157734 They'll fix it for you. 95 00:05:13,214.74157734 --> 00:05:13,724.74157734 Lifetime. 96 00:05:13,724.74157734 --> 00:05:14,894.74157734 Which I thought's pretty impressive. 97 00:05:14,894.74157734 --> 00:05:19,214.74157734 'cause my last cap mandu is children's size and I got it when I was still in high school. 98 00:05:19,264.74157734 --> 00:05:20,434.74157734 It's ready to be retired. 99 00:05:20,524.74157734 --> 00:05:21,364.74157734 Oh, you're, yeah. 100 00:05:21,364.74157734 --> 00:05:22,804.74157734 And you're so ready for a new one. 101 00:05:23,44.74157734 --> 00:05:29,694.74157734 Outta curiosity, is it one of those ones that sort of is it quite puffy or have they done the down? So it's quite slim. 102 00:05:29,874.74157734 --> 00:05:32,814.74157734 Do you know what I mean? It's a mix between both. 103 00:05:32,814.74157734 --> 00:05:32,874.74157734 Yeah. 104 00:05:33,84.74157734 --> 00:05:42,764.74157734 Because what I was concerned with is, I don't know if the technology's just now super supreme and you don't need it to be super puffy or it's just not gonna do anything. 105 00:05:43,434.74157734 --> 00:05:44,724.74157734 Well, I'm excited for you. 106 00:05:44,784.74157734 --> 00:05:46,254.74157734 I know I'm gonna make And it's a long one. 107 00:05:46,494.74157734 --> 00:05:47,154.74157734 It's a long one. 108 00:05:47,184.74157734 --> 00:05:47,574.74157734 Yeah. 109 00:05:47,574.74157734 --> 00:05:48,179.74157734 I'm so excited. 110 00:05:48,384.74157734 --> 00:05:49,224.74157734 I'm gonna be so warm. 111 00:05:49,704.74157734 --> 00:05:50,394.74157734 Oh, you will. 112 00:05:53,256.74157734 --> 00:06:00,456.74157734 So gab, this week two giants of Australian Current Affairs television were quietly shown the door. 113 00:06:00,966.74157734 --> 00:06:04,986.74157734 Project and there were like rumors that this was happening in the weeks leading up to it. 114 00:06:05,316.74157734 --> 00:06:07,116.74157734 The q and A, the q and a being canceled. 115 00:06:07,116.74157734 --> 00:06:09,11.74157734 That just, I was a bit surprised by that one. 116 00:06:09,11.74157734 --> 00:06:10,26.74157734 I didn't see that coming. 117 00:06:10,116.74157734 --> 00:06:23,241.74157734 No, and I think what it means is for current affairs and that investigative journalism, where do we go from here? Because they've been two staples of. 118 00:06:24,36.74157734 --> 00:06:28,416.74157734 Our media landscape in Australia, ah, for such a long period of time. 119 00:06:28,416.74157734 --> 00:06:34,566.74157734 I think the project's been a good 15 years and q and a longer than that is 17 or something like that. 120 00:06:34,566.74157734 --> 00:06:35,646.74157734 17 years? Yes. 121 00:06:35,746.74157734 --> 00:06:49,566.74157734 And look, the media landscape I don't necessarily think it's specifically about what those shows stand for, but it definitely addresses the elephant in the room, which is traditional broadcast media. 122 00:06:50,166.74157734 --> 00:06:52,86.74157734 Is not as popular as what it would be. 123 00:06:52,206.74157734 --> 00:06:59,256.74157734 People are not tuning in at seven o'clock every day knowing they're gonna watch their media consumption when it suits them a hundred percent. 124 00:06:59,286.74157734 --> 00:07:02,176.74157734 And also I think the way they digest media is changing. 125 00:07:02,476.74157734 --> 00:07:06,706.74157734 People don't wanna sit down and watch a one hour episode and watch all the segments that you're presenting. 126 00:07:06,706.74157734 --> 00:07:07,786.74157734 They wanna pick and choose. 127 00:07:08,86.74157734 --> 00:07:14,56.74157734 They like bite-sized content, because whilst I may care about the current affairs that you're spilling to me. 128 00:07:14,671.74157734 --> 00:07:15,781.74157734 I'm not watching the sport. 129 00:07:15,811.74157734 --> 00:07:16,351.74157734 I don't care. 130 00:07:16,801.74157734 --> 00:07:17,701.74157734 No, exactly. 131 00:07:17,701.74157734 --> 00:07:18,986.74157734 I saw a report recently where. 132 00:07:19,856.74157734 --> 00:07:28,166.74157734 Even people who are watching TV or sort of the main screen, about 42% of those people are on their phone simultaneously scrolling. 133 00:07:28,526.74157734 --> 00:07:31,796.74157734 So people's attention span are not the same. 134 00:07:32,216.74157734 --> 00:07:34,586.74157734 You, as you say, they're not gonna sit there and watch that. 135 00:07:34,616.74157734 --> 00:07:36,296.74157734 It's the bite size content. 136 00:07:36,706.74157734 --> 00:07:38,896.74157734 That's really more so intriguing. 137 00:07:38,896.74157734 --> 00:07:46,186.74157734 And as the older generations, I guess, graduate to the afterlife, the younger generations are not. 138 00:07:46,696.74157734 --> 00:07:54,46.74157734 Consuming it similarly, and I just don't know if these shows were able to adapt based on the channel that they were recording for. 139 00:07:54,136.74157734 --> 00:07:54,646.74157734 Yeah. 140 00:07:54,976.74157734 --> 00:08:11,416.74157734 The other thing I also wonder though is are we gonna stop being well-rounded? Because if, I'm only consuming what I like, because when you consume what you pick and choose, you're essentially looking for the dopamine hit and that self gratification. 141 00:08:12,466.74157734 --> 00:08:16,766.74157734 You're picking media that you wanna consume, you're moving on to the next piece of media that you wanna consume. 142 00:08:17,126.74157734 --> 00:08:29,606.74157734 Previously, if you sat down and watched a full long format TV show, you were watching segments that may not interest you, but it was A, keeping your attention span, but B forcing you to know something that you may not have known. 143 00:08:30,356.74157734 --> 00:08:32,396.74157734 That is such an important point here. 144 00:08:32,816.74157734 --> 00:08:46,436.74157734 When you are watching something on TV or even just opening a, the paper, you've kind of got this well-rounded holistic view on different things that are happening, and as you say, not necessarily your point of view. 145 00:08:46,966.74157734 --> 00:08:53,616.74157734 Whereas the more that we move to the online world where really what you're being served is based on your algorithm. 146 00:08:54,396.74157734 --> 00:08:57,186.74157734 It's just really confirming your bias. 147 00:08:57,546.74157734 --> 00:08:57,576.74157734 Mm. 148 00:08:57,576.74157734 --> 00:09:01,746.74157734 And it becomes this place where you are only seeing what you want to see. 149 00:09:01,866.74157734 --> 00:09:02,286.74157734 Yeah. 150 00:09:02,286.74157734 --> 00:09:05,46.74157734 It's gonna force everyone into their own personal algorithm. 151 00:09:05,406.74157734 --> 00:09:07,236.74157734 Algorithmic based echo chamber. 152 00:09:07,566.74157734 --> 00:09:08,586.74157734 Yeah, exactly. 153 00:09:09,306.74157734 --> 00:09:16,836.74157734 So they've been canceled and cost would've played a huge role in this because these shows are very expensive to run. 154 00:09:17,166.74157734 --> 00:09:19,296.74157734 The talent is also quite expensive. 155 00:09:19,686.74157734 --> 00:09:21,486.74157734 What shocked me is the average. 156 00:09:22,191.74157734 --> 00:09:23,541.74157734 Media reporter. 157 00:09:23,661.74157734 --> 00:09:24,621.74157734 So a journalist. 158 00:09:24,651.74157734 --> 00:09:25,11.74157734 Mm-hmm. 159 00:09:25,101.74157734 --> 00:09:33,921.74157734 They don't earn very much money, like that salary sitting between the 80,000 to $110, $110,000 for most talent. 160 00:09:34,321.74157734 --> 00:09:38,171.74157734 Then there's if you think about the spectrum, then you've got your heavy hitters, like you cast a Novi. 161 00:09:38,471.74157734 --> 00:09:39,401.74157734 The personalities. 162 00:09:39,431.74157734 --> 00:09:39,731.74157734 Yeah. 163 00:09:39,791.74157734 --> 00:09:41,1.74157734 Ali will will lead. 164 00:09:41,526.74157734 --> 00:09:42,486.74157734 I think I said that right. 165 00:09:42,866.74157734 --> 00:09:49,556.74157734 Rebecca Madden, they're very expensive and they call hundreds of thousands of dollars annually. 166 00:09:49,826.74157734 --> 00:09:56,416.74157734 So with the project, having the headline that they had, that would've been a very expensive show to produce. 167 00:09:56,566.74157734 --> 00:10:03,916.74157734 So they've made the decision to cut that, and they're probably gonna shrink down and go to a different format for that variety hour or that news hour. 168 00:10:04,801.74157734 --> 00:10:07,651.74157734 And they also have live audiences, don't they? I've been twice. 169 00:10:07,651.74157734 --> 00:10:08,221.74157734 I loved it. 170 00:10:08,311.74157734 --> 00:10:08,851.74157734 Yeah. 171 00:10:09,91.74157734 --> 00:10:10,381.74157734 It was actually really fun. 172 00:10:11,641.74157734 --> 00:10:15,21.74157734 But it's a format that you really don't see too much of anymore. 173 00:10:15,21.74157734 --> 00:10:18,111.74157734 It's such a, that sort of performance element. 174 00:10:18,541.74157734 --> 00:10:24,381.74157734 When people are creating stuff online, using their phones for such less budgets, you have to wait up and go. 175 00:10:26,181.74157734 --> 00:10:27,861.74157734 Is it worth it? Yeah. 176 00:10:27,861.74157734 --> 00:10:41,571.74157734 And then what I also am a bit sad about is with those huge production costs, they also employ fact checkers and researchers and legal people that check to make sure that everything that's being said is factually correct. 177 00:10:41,571.74157734 --> 00:10:42,81.74157734 Incredible. 178 00:10:42,86.74157734 --> 00:10:46,341.74157734 It's not misleading, it's not deceptive, it's not telling, people dangerous information. 179 00:10:46,911.74157734 --> 00:10:51,171.74157734 And if we don't have that standard in our media. 180 00:10:52,146.74157734 --> 00:10:52,716.74157734 Who knows. 181 00:10:52,716.74157734 --> 00:10:58,326.74157734 Like right now I could say everyone, the sky is green and someone won't believe me. 182 00:10:58,806.74157734 --> 00:11:00,906.74157734 Oh, it, well, that's the thing. 183 00:11:01,226.74157734 --> 00:11:14,296.74157734 Do we know what's replacing these shows? It's gonna be another cheaper, more limited news, and then I think they're gonna fill it in with another like a variety show, like a reruns of the Simpsons, or you know, like a deal or no deal equivalent. 184 00:11:14,296.74157734 --> 00:11:14,956.74157734 Right. 185 00:11:16,501.74157734 --> 00:11:17,521.74157734 It is really sad. 186 00:11:17,571.74157734 --> 00:11:24,381.74157734 But I think it also talks to the fact that you need to innovate whilst you're still successful. 187 00:11:24,381.74157734 --> 00:11:32,221.74157734 And that's maybe the project's biggest downfall is that in those 17 years they shuffled things around, but they were never truly. 188 00:11:33,76.74157734 --> 00:11:34,156.74157734 Adapted themselves. 189 00:11:34,186.74157734 --> 00:11:41,656.74157734 No, the format has stayed pretty consistent since I remember first watching it, back in what, 2009? 2010, and it was the heavy hitting show. 190 00:11:41,656.74157734 --> 00:11:43,276.74157734 It was so popular. 191 00:11:43,306.74157734 --> 00:11:45,106.74157734 It's won so many LOWIES awards. 192 00:11:45,526.74157734 --> 00:11:46,996.74157734 It was where people went for news. 193 00:11:46,996.74157734 --> 00:11:52,486.74157734 Like I remember one of their episodes that sits to mine is the Britney Higgins interview with Lisa Wilkins. 194 00:11:52,516.74157734 --> 00:11:53,116.74157734 Yes. 195 00:11:53,116.74157734 --> 00:11:56,416.74157734 That was huge and it was so powerful. 196 00:11:56,416.74157734 --> 00:12:01,456.74157734 It was so well done, and it effectively created a conversation and a movement. 197 00:12:01,966.74157734 --> 00:12:05,176.74157734 And a very expensive course of legal battles from there. 198 00:12:05,226.74157734 --> 00:12:21,966.74157734 I think in this day and age where people have more access online to find out information, we're seeing this power shift where traditionally these journalists were the authority in the space and now you know, people are taking it to their own hands. 199 00:12:21,966.74157734 --> 00:12:26,16.74157734 And I think people think they are their own experts, probably more so now. 200 00:12:26,276.74157734 --> 00:12:29,396.74157734 Mean, so we come in here and talk about Donald Trump and Elon Musk. 201 00:12:29,396.74157734 --> 00:12:29,606.74157734 Musk a lot. 202 00:12:29,606.74157734 --> 00:12:30,591.74157734 I like we're experts. 203 00:12:30,711.74157734 --> 00:12:37,401.74157734 We're contributing to the problem, but it's just, yeah, I, it's a shame that they weren't able to adapt enough. 204 00:12:37,441.74157734 --> 00:12:42,901.74157734 I don't know what their content's been like, but it's obviously not been enough to keep it going. 205 00:12:43,111.74157734 --> 00:12:44,11.74157734 Yeah, I agree with that. 206 00:12:47,468.74157734 --> 00:12:57,538.74157734 Now, Claire, in the last week, there is so much that's happened in the US so I think it might be helpful for our listeners if you just gave it a bit of an explainer what's going on. 207 00:12:58,708.74157734 --> 00:13:08,278.74157734 Okay, gab, this week Los Angeles became ground zero for what's shaping up to be one of the most chaotic immigration crackdowns in US modern history. 208 00:13:09,43.74157734 --> 00:13:12,73.74157734 The Trump administration kicked off mass ice raids. 209 00:13:12,283.74157734 --> 00:13:20,3.74157734 They are targeting 3000 arrests a day because they wanna have a million migrants deported in a year. 210 00:13:20,213.74157734 --> 00:13:26,603.74157734 And with that ice, if you're hearing this going, what is ice? It is the immigration and customs enforcement. 211 00:13:26,873.74157734 --> 00:13:26,963.74157734 Mm-hmm. 212 00:13:28,193.74157734 --> 00:13:34,283.74157734 So when they started doing that, it created absolute chaos because people don't like when. 213 00:13:34,718.74157734 --> 00:13:48,338.74157734 It looks like a military operation when you have a bunch of cars and these enforcement officers in jeans and bulletproof vests running around and just, they just arrest anyone and everyone. 214 00:13:48,338.74157734 --> 00:13:53,138.74157734 And then you need to prove that you are not an undocumented immigrant. 215 00:13:53,408.74157734 --> 00:14:00,278.74157734 So you and I could be at a restaurant, right? We'll get arrested, and then we have to pull out our ID to prove and show proof, prove that. 216 00:14:00,743.74157734 --> 00:14:01,913.74157734 Is terrifying. 217 00:14:01,913.74157734 --> 00:14:02,933.74157734 That is so scary. 218 00:14:02,933.74157734 --> 00:14:18,423.74157734 Could you imagine if that happened in, where we're recording right now? I would be, I would have post-traumatic stress and also, I know we're told to bring your license around with you, but what if you don't have your stuff on you? Are you locked up until someone brings your identity? Yeah. 219 00:14:18,513.74157734 --> 00:14:24,333.74157734 You have to prove, prove you are a citizen and it absolutely is racially profiled. 220 00:14:24,333.74157734 --> 00:14:25,233.74157734 May I mention. 221 00:14:25,953.74157734 --> 00:14:30,993.74157734 It definitely is, and we've heard of instances where they've raided absolutely everywhere. 222 00:14:30,993.74157734 --> 00:14:36,593.74157734 I saw, them raiding a Walmart, going into going to shopping, going to houses. 223 00:14:36,653.74157734 --> 00:14:40,133.74157734 It is, but they go to high school graduations and they ruin the ceremony. 224 00:14:40,133.74157734 --> 00:14:48,643.74157734 They're sitting there outside and they're trapping people effectively because these undocumented might have children who are citizens that are graduating. 225 00:14:48,883.74157734 --> 00:14:52,573.74157734 I don't know at what point they thought their approach was. 226 00:14:53,203.74157734 --> 00:15:01,353.74157734 Ethical, I'm just wondering in terms of making the decision on how they go about this you don't do this unless you're sending a message. 227 00:15:01,593.74157734 --> 00:15:06,768.74157734 What kind of message do you think they're trying to send here? It is absolutely part of the Trump's administration. 228 00:15:07,98.74157734 --> 00:15:16,8.74157734 And previously ice, they would focus on undocumented criminals and they would work with the community to identify those criminals. 229 00:15:16,8.74157734 --> 00:15:19,668.74157734 Previously ice enforcement agents, they were often psychologists. 230 00:15:19,668.74157734 --> 00:15:27,898.74157734 They were people with that social support background, and they would be working within the community to effectively remove. 231 00:15:28,318.74157734 --> 00:15:30,868.74157734 Undocumented immigrants who were threats. 232 00:15:30,918.74157734 --> 00:15:33,828.74157734 Now it's everyone. 233 00:15:33,858.74157734 --> 00:15:41,838.74157734 If you are undocumented, and it's terrifying because so many have been in the US for decades. 234 00:15:41,838.74157734 --> 00:15:48,918.74157734 You have children that came across as toddlers that have grown up and they're now in their thirties and all they've known is the us. 235 00:15:48,918.74157734 --> 00:15:54,408.74157734 All they've known is the US and they have contributed to society and they're being pulled out. 236 00:15:54,408.74157734 --> 00:15:55,608.74157734 So it's terrifying. 237 00:15:56,268.74157734 --> 00:16:08,748.74157734 But where this really escalated is that Trump, in response to these protests, despite the fact that Gavin Newsom, who is the governor of California, said, we do not need any help. 238 00:16:08,838.74157734 --> 00:16:09,678.74157734 We've got this. 239 00:16:09,678.74157734 --> 00:16:10,548.74157734 It's fine. 240 00:16:10,788.74157734 --> 00:16:15,558.74157734 Our people are upset because of the way your enforcement officers are behaving. 241 00:16:16,8.74157734 --> 00:16:18,648.74157734 You are turning our streets into a war zone. 242 00:16:19,38.74157734 --> 00:16:21,828.74157734 Trump said, we're gonna send in the National Guard. 243 00:16:23,43.74157734 --> 00:16:28,773.74157734 That is absolutely not his call to make he bypassed the California's governor. 244 00:16:28,983.74157734 --> 00:16:42,753.7415773 To do this, just to let you know, the last time this happened where the federal government overruled the governor to send in the National Guard was during the civil rights protest in the 1950s. 245 00:16:42,753.7415773 --> 00:16:43,683.7415773 Oh my. 246 00:16:43,683.7415773 --> 00:16:49,563.7415773 And that was because they were scared of what specific states. 247 00:16:50,283.7415773 --> 00:17:00,213.7415773 Mobsters would do against civil right protesters, so they were protecting the protesters, not in this instance, attacking the protesters. 248 00:17:00,303.7415773 --> 00:17:03,423.7415773 This just seems absolutely insane. 249 00:17:04,83.7415773 --> 00:17:05,973.7415773 I can't imagine living there right now. 250 00:17:06,33.7415773 --> 00:17:12,333.7415773 I know just from being on TikTok and looking at the algorithm, I think I sent you a video this morning. 251 00:17:13,173.7415773 --> 00:17:15,623.7415773 People trying to make light of it, but people are scared. 252 00:17:15,623.7415773 --> 00:17:17,3.7415773 People are in their homes, scared. 253 00:17:18,8.7415773 --> 00:17:22,778.7415773 But then the other thing is that there's all these national guards that are sleeping on the floor and they've got no food. 254 00:17:23,138.7415773 --> 00:17:27,218.7415773 And what, yeah, because they weren't prepared for this. 255 00:17:27,218.7415773 --> 00:17:30,188.7415773 And California's like, we didn't want the, we don't want these people. 256 00:17:30,188.7415773 --> 00:17:33,878.7415773 They've also sent the Marines now, which is absolutely unprecedented. 257 00:17:34,718.7415773 --> 00:17:38,98.7415773 But where we're at now is there's like a legal challenge to Gavin. 258 00:17:38,98.7415773 --> 00:17:40,58.7415773 Newsom's actually brought a. 259 00:17:40,478.7415773 --> 00:17:46,938.7415773 Court proceedings against the federal administration to say that you've overstepped the marks and to claim the power back. 260 00:17:46,938.7415773 --> 00:17:47,928.7415773 To claim the power back. 261 00:17:47,988.7415773 --> 00:17:48,228.7415773 Yep. 262 00:17:49,908.7415773 --> 00:17:53,428.7415773 We have the Marines so on. 263 00:17:53,478.7415773 --> 00:17:56,298.7415773 So Trump threatened to send them and then he did actually bring them in. 264 00:17:57,858.7415773 --> 00:17:58,308.7415773 Wow. 265 00:17:59,613.7415773 --> 00:18:02,853.7415773 And it's been really terrifying. 266 00:18:03,3.7415773 --> 00:18:11,803.7415773 I'm just gonna quickly play a clip from Gavin Newsom that's in response to Trump saying that Newsom and on Monday, this was when it happened. 267 00:18:11,863.7415773 --> 00:18:11,923.7415773 Yeah. 268 00:18:11,923.7415773 --> 00:18:13,423.7415773 That Newsom should be arrested. 269 00:18:14,63.7415773 --> 00:18:18,593.7415773 He said that Newsom was guilty of just being a terrible governor. 270 00:18:18,893.7415773 --> 00:18:21,203.7415773 No real thing, which you absolutely cannot do. 271 00:18:21,203.7415773 --> 00:18:23,268.7415773 And the fact he said this out loud, but Trump says lots of things. 272 00:18:23,288.7415773 --> 00:18:24,533.7415773 He says stuff like this all the time. 273 00:18:24,683.7415773 --> 00:18:24,863.7415773 Yeah. 274 00:18:25,28.7415773 --> 00:18:25,548.7415773 But here we go. 275 00:18:25,709.4082434 --> 00:18:26,489.4082434 He's a tough guy. 276 00:18:26,489.4082434 --> 00:18:28,19.4082434 Wasn't you? Do that and he knows where to find me. 277 00:18:28,649.4082434 --> 00:18:36,359.4082434 But you know what? Let your hands off 4-year-old girls that are trying to get educated, let your hands off these poor people. 278 00:18:36,359.4082434 --> 00:18:38,339.4082434 They're just trying to get, live their lives, man. 279 00:18:39,89.4082434 --> 00:18:40,709.4082434 Trying to live their lives, paying their taxes. 280 00:18:40,709.4082434 --> 00:18:41,579.4082434 Been here 10 years. 281 00:18:42,194.4082434 --> 00:18:46,334.4082434 The fear, the horror, the hell is this guy come at. 282 00:18:51,764.4082434 --> 00:18:53,474.4082434 That is terrifying. 283 00:18:53,984.4082434 --> 00:18:55,364.4082434 Well, it is terrifying. 284 00:18:55,484.4082434 --> 00:19:09,254.4082434 There's a lot of people that would are affected families and as you say, a lot of people who don't really know anything but the US are, where are they supposed to go? When the sitting president encourages the arrest of a governor, we're past normal. 285 00:19:09,404.4082434 --> 00:19:16,394.4082434 This isn't normal, but Gab, on an absolute side note that no one asked for that was giving Daddy Newsom. 286 00:19:17,54.4082434 --> 00:19:17,744.4082434 Daddy Newsom. 287 00:19:17,744.4082434 --> 00:19:19,634.4082434 I've not actually seen a photo of this bloke. 288 00:19:20,384.4082434 --> 00:19:21,409.4082434 Lemme show you, please. 289 00:19:21,751.8959018 --> 00:19:22,521.8959018 He's a silver fox. 290 00:19:22,581.8959018 --> 00:19:23,521.8959018 Oh, silver fox. 291 00:19:23,641.8959018 --> 00:19:24,641.8959018 I see He's a silver. 292 00:19:24,726.8959018 --> 00:19:26,951.8959018 Thoughts and it looks like that hair seems real. 293 00:19:26,951.8959018 --> 00:19:28,441.8959018 Is it? He's looking after himself. 294 00:19:29,311.8959018 --> 00:19:43,991.8959018 With Gavin Newsom, he wanted to put his hat in the rink for the presidential election last year, but they were really after someone different from Joe Biden who was a white male. 295 00:19:44,141.8959018 --> 00:19:51,366.0459018 He is absolutely going to be pushing to be the next presidential candidate and. 296 00:19:51,906.0459018 --> 00:19:57,692.1459018 There's every chance that we could look back on this in the part, in the next sort of three years and be like, that was the defining moment. 297 00:19:58,112.1459018 --> 00:19:58,322.1459018 Yeah. 298 00:19:58,322.1459018 --> 00:20:07,152.1459018 That was his, he's really, Been able to, and I guess really Trump's made it easier for him to be really positioned as that people leader. 299 00:20:07,332.1459018 --> 00:20:07,512.1459018 Yeah. 300 00:20:07,512.1459018 --> 00:20:11,932.1459018 He's looking out for the people and those communities in his area. 301 00:20:11,982.1459018 --> 00:20:12,822.1459018 So that's happened. 302 00:20:12,822.1459018 --> 00:20:14,682.1459018 So that's been Monday. 303 00:20:15,792.1459018 --> 00:20:16,182.1459018 Yep. 304 00:20:16,182.1459018 --> 00:20:18,162.1459018 So Monday that he was threatened to arrest him. 305 00:20:19,197.1459018 --> 00:20:22,107.1459018 Tuesday to Thursday, the protest started going national. 306 00:20:22,107.1459018 --> 00:20:29,877.1459018 So marches popping up in Chicago, New York, Miami and Houston, and the, in Chicago. 307 00:20:30,177.1459018 --> 00:20:45,352.1459018 What really kicked off the protest is that ICE agents were text messaging known undocumented migrants for check-in and telling them they needed to come for a meeting, and then we're arresting them on the spot and sending them to an immigration center. 308 00:20:46,552.1459018 --> 00:20:50,862.1459018 Even just it doesn't really seem legit like receiving a text to do that. 309 00:20:50,862.1459018 --> 00:20:54,162.1459018 It's all very smoke and mirrors. 310 00:20:54,162.1459018 --> 00:20:59,312.1459018 Very, unofficial, it feels it's giving Nazi Germany 'cause they did that. 311 00:20:59,312.1459018 --> 00:20:59,732.1459018 Yeah. 312 00:20:59,732.1459018 --> 00:21:05,882.1459018 They would tell, people, oh, you need to come here at this time for a meeting or you need to come and help us with this. 313 00:21:06,212.1459018 --> 00:21:08,962.1459018 Or, this is a problem and they would arrive and then. 314 00:21:09,727.1459018 --> 00:21:13,657.1459018 And they would arrest them and they'd send them to a concentration camp or they would execute them. 315 00:21:13,867.1459018 --> 00:21:18,307.1459018 There is precedence, there is parallels and it's terrifying when you're behaving like this. 316 00:21:18,487.1459018 --> 00:21:20,437.1459018 We certainly don't behave like this in Australia. 317 00:21:20,917.1459018 --> 00:21:22,27.1459018 No, we don't. 318 00:21:22,627.1459018 --> 00:21:25,807.1459018 It's gonna be really interesting to see how the next few days go. 319 00:21:26,362.1459018 --> 00:21:32,92.1459018 Obviously protests are increasing and then of course there's tomorrow. 320 00:21:32,752.1459018 --> 00:21:42,172.1459018 Yes, so we are recording this on Saturday the 14th, and on Saturday the 14th there is a planned no Kings protest. 321 00:21:42,742.1459018 --> 00:21:51,706.0461285 There's also a military parade to celebrate the might of the US For the Militarys 250th Birthday. 322 00:21:52,586.0461285 --> 00:21:53,882.7809018 We're also celebrating something else. 323 00:21:53,882.7809018 --> 00:21:59,72.7809018 Coincidentally, what are we, do you know what that is? Trump Speedo. 324 00:21:59,672.7809018 --> 00:22:09,92.7809018 He is having a Kim Jong un styled military parade for his birthday. 325 00:22:09,242.7809018 --> 00:22:13,37.7809018 Is this not like capital? I feel like I'm in the Hunger Games. 326 00:22:14,257.7809018 --> 00:22:14,912.7809018 It is. 327 00:22:14,912.7809018 --> 00:22:16,592.7809018 It's screaming capital vibes. 328 00:22:17,102.7809018 --> 00:22:17,642.7809018 It is. 329 00:22:17,732.7809018 --> 00:22:19,592.7809018 Oh, I can't even give it to you, gab. 330 00:22:19,862.7809018 --> 00:22:23,972.7809018 So we haven't had a military parade like this in decades. 331 00:22:23,972.7809018 --> 00:22:24,962.7809018 We just don't do them. 332 00:22:25,502.7809018 --> 00:22:26,792.7809018 When I say weird, the US don't do them. 333 00:22:26,842.7809018 --> 00:22:35,272.7809018 I can't even tell you of an equivalency for this and watching the dress rehearsal videos that are coming out for the parade, it is sickening. 334 00:22:36,682.7809018 --> 00:22:43,432.7809018 Trump has threatened anyone that dares rain on his parade. 335 00:22:44,692.7809018 --> 00:22:51,722.7809018 There was a reporter that asked Caroline Levitt and her opinion, are people allowed to protest at the parade? 'cause it's your. 336 00:22:52,217.7809018 --> 00:22:57,47.7809018 Constitutional right in the first amendment to free speech to protest. 337 00:22:57,657.7809018 --> 00:23:07,957.7809018 And then they also had Trump's response what if someone daress to protest if there were peaceful protests on Saturday for the military parade, president Trump would allow that. 338 00:23:08,407.7809018 --> 00:23:10,357.7809018 Of course, the president supports peaceful protests. 339 00:23:10,357.7809018 --> 00:23:11,227.7809018 What a stupid question. 340 00:23:11,257.7809018 --> 00:23:15,7.7809018 If there's any protest that wants to come out, they will be met with very big force. 341 00:23:15,277.7809018 --> 00:23:19,507.7809018 By the way, for those people that wanna protest, they're gonna be met with very big force. 342 00:23:19,507.7809018 --> 00:23:27,777.7809018 And I haven't even heard about a protest, but you know, this is people that hate our country, but they will be met with very heavy force. 343 00:23:28,91.1532038 --> 00:23:29,21.1532038 Yeah. 344 00:23:29,501.1532038 --> 00:23:32,711.1532038 I think there's a lot more news to come after this weekend. 345 00:23:33,201.1532038 --> 00:23:37,671.1532038 It is the no Kings protest because Trump's effectively behaving like. 346 00:23:38,136.1532038 --> 00:23:40,266.1532038 A dictator, a monarch of the country. 347 00:23:40,966.1532038 --> 00:23:44,866.1532038 The King's protest is a Rodney King reference, and it's a jab at Trump. 348 00:23:45,626.1532038 --> 00:23:47,576.1532038 He's ha gonna have his military parade. 349 00:23:47,876.1532038 --> 00:23:54,611.1532038 I saw people were sharing advertisements, looking for paid actors to fill the stands at his military parade. 350 00:23:54,641.1532038 --> 00:23:55,661.1532038 You've read my mind. 351 00:23:55,661.1532038 --> 00:23:59,351.1532038 'cause in my mind, I'm just feeling like it's just gonna be paid. 352 00:23:59,351.1532038 --> 00:24:03,161.1532038 Actors and actresses, waving, smiling, waving flags. 353 00:24:03,791.1532038 --> 00:24:05,741.1532038 It's just all gonna be orchestrated. 354 00:24:06,371.1532038 --> 00:24:07,691.1532038 Oh, it's gonna be so cringe. 355 00:24:08,141.1532038 --> 00:24:17,646.1532038 I don't think we're gonna see much protesting at the military parade because you'd stupid to do that because of the amount of security and military. 356 00:24:17,651.1532038 --> 00:24:29,321.1532038 I just hope no one rocks up because that's, he's all about his image and I just feel like his ego, and mind you, I'm sure as we say, there's probably paid actors that are gonna be there and they'll be filling the stands to make. 357 00:24:29,321.1532038 --> 00:24:30,641.1532038 He's loyalists, but. 358 00:24:31,541.1532038 --> 00:24:34,961.1532038 I think the less people pay attention to what he's trying to orchestrate. 359 00:24:34,961.1532038 --> 00:24:37,691.1532038 I think that's what really gets to him. 360 00:24:39,613.1532038 --> 00:24:41,473.1532038 There's something we really need to talk about Claire. 361 00:24:41,563.1532038 --> 00:24:45,463.1532038 And that is something that hits close to home, particularly for myself. 362 00:24:46,48.1532038 --> 00:24:51,328.1532038 And that is that a daily coffee could soon be $12. 363 00:24:51,958.1532038 --> 00:24:53,608.1532038 It's just absolutely ludicrous. 364 00:24:53,608.1532038 --> 00:24:55,18.1532038 And it's not for some fancy milk. 365 00:24:55,18.1532038 --> 00:24:56,928.1532038 It's just for your standard, skinny latte. 366 00:24:57,348.1532038 --> 00:25:01,98.1532038 If that happens, I might need to investigate growing beans in my backyard. 367 00:25:01,608.1532038 --> 00:25:01,968.1532038 Yeah. 368 00:25:02,28.1532038 --> 00:25:05,13.1532038 Or even, God forbid, but bring back the instant coffee. 369 00:25:07,13.1532038 --> 00:25:15,833.1532038 Why has this happening? Why has coffee become so expensive? And that's because coffee is a commodity and it's under pressure at the moment. 370 00:25:16,193.1532038 --> 00:25:23,903.1532038 Climate change has really impacted crops and it's really devastated that coffee growing regions around the world. 371 00:25:24,173.1532038 --> 00:25:29,113.1532038 For example, droughts in Bri Brazil and Leaf Russ in Central America. 372 00:25:29,983.1532038 --> 00:25:30,943.1532038 The yields are down. 373 00:25:30,943.1532038 --> 00:25:35,203.1532038 And so how do these things work? Supply is down, demand is high. 374 00:25:35,203.1532038 --> 00:25:41,278.1532038 What do you do? You need to raise the price, We have a new player in this called the Future Market. 375 00:25:41,518.1532038 --> 00:25:43,978.1532038 So what are futures is it's effectively. 376 00:25:44,758.1532038 --> 00:25:55,138.1532038 And you are using a crystal ball to estimate where you think the prices are going to go, and you're effectively locking in that price so that you have the option to purchase at that price. 377 00:25:55,828.1532038 --> 00:26:03,354.7742038 Big players like Starbucks will hedge against price instability by buying coffee features and they lock in the prices months ahead. 378 00:26:03,684.7742038 --> 00:26:07,44.7742038 So that's telling us that Starbucks is accepting. 379 00:26:07,719.7742038 --> 00:26:15,39.7742038 That they're gonna pay quite substantially higher prices in the months ahead as the supply further tightens. 380 00:26:15,999.7742038 --> 00:26:27,39.7742038 And it's a very strong indicator of what's coming down the pipeline, especially for smaller cafes and also personal consumers where we don't have the ability to purchase these futures. 381 00:26:27,39.7742038 --> 00:26:29,709.7742038 'cause futures are an option to purchase at that price. 382 00:26:30,489.7742038 --> 00:26:36,969.7742038 We will be buying the spot price, which is effectively what it costs at that point in time to procure the beans. 383 00:26:37,269.7742038 --> 00:26:37,569.7742038 Yeah. 384 00:26:37,569.7742038 --> 00:26:42,239.7742038 So when you can leverage economies of scale, it does change things. 385 00:26:42,239.7742038 --> 00:26:50,269.7742038 But as you say, independents are really gonna struggle and who's gonna feel it? Us? Small cafes are gonna struggle even more. 386 00:26:50,359.7742038 --> 00:26:56,299.7742038 'cause not only is their coffee beans gonna be more expensive, their operational costs are also. 387 00:26:57,199.7742038 --> 00:26:57,829.7742038 Way up. 388 00:26:58,429.7742038 --> 00:27:02,779.7742038 And the A, b, C did this breakdown about what actually goes into your $5 coffee. 389 00:27:02,839.7742038 --> 00:27:06,389.7742038 And it is 65% is in wages overhead. 390 00:27:06,779.7742038 --> 00:27:09,839.7742038 GST, the rent for the cafe rent. 391 00:27:09,839.7742038 --> 00:27:11,399.7742038 Commercial rent is huge at the moment. 392 00:27:11,399.7742038 --> 00:27:12,419.7742038 It's so expensive. 393 00:27:13,199.7742038 --> 00:27:24,699.7742038 Then you actually have the remaining 35% and that is in the coffee, the milk, and of your $5 coffee that may yield a $1 profit for the cafe. 394 00:27:25,209.7742038 --> 00:27:30,29.7742038 So really whilst we're complaining at the moment about a $5 50, flat white. 395 00:27:30,749.7742038 --> 00:27:33,89.7742038 Really the cafes, are they making what? A buck. 396 00:27:33,389.7742038 --> 00:27:34,49.7742038 That's it. 397 00:27:34,859.7742038 --> 00:27:35,369.7742038 Exactly. 398 00:27:35,369.7742038 --> 00:27:37,649.7742038 And the problem is it's discretionary. 399 00:27:37,829.7742038 --> 00:27:41,9.7742038 We might joke about it being a necessity, but it really isn't. 400 00:27:41,429.7742038 --> 00:27:41,999.7742038 And. 401 00:27:42,959.7742038 --> 00:27:50,369.7742038 One thing you'll see when it comes to these costs being higher and higher and higher is that economic theory called willingness to pay. 402 00:27:50,849.7742038 --> 00:27:57,419.7742038 And that is everyone has a point where they go, oh, it's expensive, it's not worth it anymore. 403 00:27:57,869.7742038 --> 00:28:03,249.7742038 And as you go higher and higher up it you lose more and more people. 404 00:28:03,249.7742038 --> 00:28:09,499.7742038 So whilst you might have 10 people willing to pay $5 a cup at $6 a cup that 10 people becomes. 405 00:28:10,114.7742038 --> 00:28:13,654.7742038 Nine people and at six 50 cup it becomes eight people. 406 00:28:13,894.7742038 --> 00:28:17,74.7742038 And then as it comes up to $8 a cup, you've only got four people left. 407 00:28:17,284.7742038 --> 00:28:27,289.7742038 What's your willingness to pay, do you think? I would say I would tap out maybe at $7, but it wouldn't be a daily thing. 408 00:28:27,469.7742038 --> 00:28:37,39.7742038 And what kind of milk are we talking here? I do almond, but I have been drinking more cow's milk lately, just purely because I, I don't wanna make myself lactose intolerant, and b. 409 00:28:37,624.7742038 --> 00:28:40,984.7742038 That's my way of safeguarding the like dollar 50 surcharge. 410 00:28:41,64.7742038 --> 00:28:45,444.7742038 I reckon my WTP is about six or 30 in that amount. 411 00:28:45,474.7742038 --> 00:28:45,804.7742038 Yeah. 412 00:28:46,194.7742038 --> 00:28:50,874.7742038 But where we get the $12 right, is with that 10 people becoming like. 413 00:28:51,264.7742038 --> 00:29:10,131.5542038 Six people at $7, $8, suddenly you have to split those operational costs amongst those remaining six that have a willingness to pay and then it becomes 12 And that literally is how we get to that clickbait headline that we started this segment with of would you pay $12 for a coffee? Yeah. 414 00:29:10,131.5542038 --> 00:29:11,751.5542038 And the answer is probably not. 415 00:29:11,901.5542038 --> 00:29:12,111.5542038 No. 416 00:29:12,111.5542038 --> 00:29:15,621.5542038 So I think we are probably gonna see cafe culture. 417 00:29:15,951.5542038 --> 00:29:20,401.5542038 Change a bit as the prices do change and a lot more people Yeah. 418 00:29:20,401.5542038 --> 00:29:22,171.5542038 Buying coffee machines for home. 419 00:29:22,171.5542038 --> 00:29:22,411.5542038 I know. 420 00:29:22,411.5542038 --> 00:29:23,11.5542038 I've got one. 421 00:29:23,11.5542038 --> 00:29:24,31.5542038 I should really use it more. 422 00:29:24,211.5542038 --> 00:29:25,111.5542038 Yeah, exactly. 423 00:29:25,491.5542038 --> 00:29:31,491.5542038 One thing my local cafe has said though, is they are already seeing changing behaviors. 424 00:29:31,491.5542038 --> 00:29:38,211.5542038 So previously when customers would come in and get a sandwich and a coffee for lunch, now they just get the coffee or they don't save them at all. 425 00:29:39,633.5542038 --> 00:29:44,523.5542038 Claire, have you seen the new album cover to Sabrina Carpenter's new album? No. 426 00:29:44,523.5542038 --> 00:29:46,593.5542038 I know absolutely nothing, but I'm Googling it right now. 427 00:29:46,623.5542038 --> 00:30:03,483.5542038 Google it right now and to paint a picture for listeners, we're gonna dive into the buzz around this, and that's because Sabrina Carpenter's upcoming album, which is called Man's Best Friend, has a very provocative cover and it has really ignited this. 428 00:30:04,788.5542038 --> 00:30:08,728.5542038 Firestorm online what you can expect to see on that. 429 00:30:08,728.5542038 --> 00:30:12,88.5542038 And I cla I'm Sinclair's initial reaction straight away. 430 00:30:12,418.5542038 --> 00:30:24,933.5542038 And it's a cover that features Sabrina on all fours in a black mini dress with a man's hand gripping her hair, and a collar inscribed with man's best friend. 431 00:30:26,38.5542038 --> 00:30:37,198.5542038 This imagery has, as you can imagine, has really just sparked conversation around, is this too far? What are your initial thoughts on this, Claire? Oof. 432 00:30:37,488.5542038 --> 00:30:47,478.5542038 I, when I first Googled it, I had it zoomed in on her face, and now I'm actually looking at the full square image and it. 433 00:30:48,153.5542038 --> 00:30:49,923.5542038 Is giving toxic masculinity. 434 00:30:50,433.5542038 --> 00:31:01,423.5542038 Oh, it isn't it? And it really does portray Sabrina as this submissive person or the submissive one in this frame. 435 00:31:02,653.5542038 --> 00:31:06,233.5542038 And while, I've started to dive into people's comments about this. 436 00:31:06,443.5542038 --> 00:31:09,923.5542038 There definitely are people going, no, that's just her sense of humor. 437 00:31:09,953.5542038 --> 00:31:10,913.5542038 It's ironic. 438 00:31:11,873.5542038 --> 00:31:19,783.5542038 But in the end, that image, people seeing that image you have a duty of care as someone with a profile as high as this. 439 00:31:20,263.5542038 --> 00:31:29,453.5542038 And I really do think that she's gone a bit too far here in terms of it's blown up, but probably not for the right reasons. 440 00:31:29,573.5542038 --> 00:31:36,623.5542038 And so she's really commercializing this idea of, as you say, toxic masculinity, misogyny, it's. 441 00:31:37,208.5542038 --> 00:31:38,288.5542038 It's concerning to me. 442 00:31:38,378.5542038 --> 00:31:46,718.5542038 It's advertising a masculine power dynamic purely by the fact that the man's face is cropped out. 443 00:31:46,718.5542038 --> 00:31:59,678.5542038 You just see a black suit, you see her hand on his thigh, and him not having a face is very intentional because it allows them to focus on the power play. 444 00:32:00,98.5542038 --> 00:32:01,508.5542038 It does, it focuses on the power play. 445 00:32:01,958.5542038 --> 00:32:04,958.5542038 It also, from my perspective, is. 446 00:32:05,708.5542038 --> 00:32:16,608.5542038 Looking to appease that male gaze because why would you wanna see face? You wanna probably see yourself in that situation, but it's mainly women listening to Sabrina Carpenter's music. 447 00:32:16,938.5542038 --> 00:32:28,248.5542038 But I wonder who's follows following her on socials who are, I'm curious, I know you're saying that, but surely part of this is that there is an audience of hers. 448 00:32:28,818.5542038 --> 00:32:33,838.5542038 That are men and that thinks she's hot, but why is she doing it for them? I don't know. 449 00:32:33,888.5542038 --> 00:32:37,188.5542038 She was this, bright eye blonde girl next door image. 450 00:32:37,518.5542038 --> 00:32:41,478.5542038 Now she's taking like a parallel work to being like a leader. 451 00:32:42,78.5542038 --> 00:32:45,288.5542038 But why is she doing this to. 452 00:32:47,823.5542038 --> 00:32:53,133.5542038 I don't wanna know what the word I'm trying to say is, but appeal to them when her audience is female. 453 00:32:53,133.5542038 --> 00:33:02,563.5542038 What kind of message is that? I don't know, and it's so confusing, but I've seen one theory this morning, which I thought was worth talking to you about, and it's that, we can't see the face. 454 00:33:02,563.5542038 --> 00:33:09,133.5542038 We've assumed that is a man, but the theory online is that it looks like a very small human being and perhaps. 455 00:33:09,838.5542038 --> 00:33:14,188.5542038 That is actually her suit, but suit, but also Sabrina Carpenter's, teeny, teeny tiny. 456 00:33:14,448.5542038 --> 00:33:20,998.5542038 She's tiny, but the theory was suggesting that perhaps something else is gonna come out and show that maybe that person is her. 457 00:33:22,423.5542038 --> 00:33:41,803.5542038 Oh, so you're saying this is a marketing ploy, perhaps to say that she's the man, but has she responded to this yet? I don't think I've seen too much except for this Rolling Stone interview where she addressed the controversy and she stated that the criticism often stems from the popularity of her explicit content. 458 00:33:42,403.5542038 --> 00:33:54,433.5542038 And so she's basically said to people, you say you don't like it, but my most popular songs are songs like Espresso and the like, that are a little bit more provocative and explicit. 459 00:33:54,913.5542038 --> 00:34:04,753.5542038 But Sabrina's a breakout Disney actor, and I don't understand why she needs to go so far in this direction because. 460 00:34:05,788.5542038 --> 00:34:12,238.5542038 It's not like Jojo Sewell who's trying to like, become edgy and that Sabrina just naturally oozes that. 461 00:34:12,778.5542038 --> 00:34:15,208.5542038 Yeah, I it's just a really fascinating move. 462 00:34:15,288.5542038 --> 00:34:17,928.5542038 I do think that we haven't seen the full picture yet. 463 00:34:17,978.5542038 --> 00:34:18,878.5542038 And there's more to come. 464 00:34:20,940.5542038 --> 00:34:23,250.5542038 A quick legal note before we dive in. 465 00:34:23,460.5542038 --> 00:34:26,160.5542038 Erin Patterson's trial is still underway in Victoria. 466 00:34:26,310.5542038 --> 00:34:29,850.5542038 She has pleaded not guilty and remains presumed innocent. 467 00:34:30,60.5542038 --> 00:34:33,510.5542038 We're only summarizing evidence heard in open court and reputable news. 468 00:34:33,690.5542038 --> 00:34:39,480.5542038 This is commentary, not news, facts or verdict, calling if you're a juror, witness or otherwise involved in the case. 469 00:34:39,540.5542038 --> 00:34:42,480.5542038 Please stop listening now and return after the trial ends. 470 00:34:44,284.5451335 --> 00:34:52,204.5451335 After the last sip of coffee on a Saturday afternoon, three people dead. 471 00:34:52,804.5451335 --> 00:34:57,34.5451335 One more clinging to life from the fatal mushrooms. 472 00:34:57,514.5451335 --> 00:35:05,69.5451335 At the beef Wellington Mu, we bring you the death diaries. 473 00:35:09,234.5451335 --> 00:35:09,954.5451335 Love that song. 474 00:35:09,954.5451335 --> 00:35:15,894.5451335 Every time Gab, we're coming to the end. 475 00:35:16,44.5451335 --> 00:35:17,484.5451335 I'm actually sad about it. 476 00:35:17,514.5451335 --> 00:35:23,154.5451335 This has been keeping me going every single day and especially this week. 477 00:35:23,154.5451335 --> 00:35:27,654.5451335 Every day, every element of her on the stand is just. 478 00:35:28,569.5451335 --> 00:35:31,59.5451335 Psycho lives jaw dropping, right? Yes. 479 00:35:31,449.5451335 --> 00:35:34,299.5451335 And the best thing is I talk to people that are following the case. 480 00:35:34,569.5451335 --> 00:35:37,779.5451335 They're not just following the coverage on like abc.com. 481 00:35:37,929.5451335 --> 00:35:40,239.5451335 They're listening to like four different podcasts. 482 00:35:40,539.5451335 --> 00:35:40,689.5451335 Yeah. 483 00:35:40,689.5451335 --> 00:35:43,269.5451335 People are really getting into this intensely. 484 00:35:43,539.5451335 --> 00:35:44,49.5451335 Yes. 485 00:35:44,319.5451335 --> 00:35:48,189.5451335 So we, as of Saturday when we're recording this. 486 00:35:48,744.5451335 --> 00:36:01,944.5451335 The case has been presented to the jury, so it concluded on Thursday and the defense confirmed that they would not be calling any further witnesses and then they had some legal discussions Friday. 487 00:36:02,664.5451335 --> 00:36:19,474.5451335 They had a full, like it was only a half day, but in that half day they did further legal discussions and the judge confirmed that Monday they would start closing arguments from the prosecution and the defense, and then the judge will summarize the case for the jury. 488 00:36:19,894.5451335 --> 00:36:27,724.5451335 The jury will be provided instructions for how to approach the deliberations from the judge, and then they start jury camp. 489 00:36:28,864.5451335 --> 00:36:29,194.5451335 And. 490 00:36:30,94.5451335 --> 00:36:36,694.5451335 In terms of the last week of what we've seen, a lot of the focus has been on Erin's testimony. 491 00:36:36,934.5451335 --> 00:36:40,504.5451335 It has been, she has just concluded eight days in the box and gap. 492 00:36:40,804.5451335 --> 00:36:52,389.5451335 How would you go spending eight days having someone question you, ask you questions, pick things apart, go back to things you said on day one, eight. 493 00:36:52,804.5451335 --> 00:36:53,824.5451335 Days previously. 494 00:36:54,104.5451335 --> 00:36:58,334.5451335 Firstly, I'd be kicking myself as to why I said yes to going onto the stand. 495 00:36:58,394.5451335 --> 00:36:58,484.5451335 Mm-hmm. 496 00:36:58,994.5451335 --> 00:37:00,284.5451335 But I wouldn't be sleeping. 497 00:37:00,284.5451335 --> 00:37:04,904.5451335 You'd be rethinking did I say that? What did I say? You'd really be second guessing yourself. 498 00:37:05,399.5451335 --> 00:37:06,719.5451335 Confidence would be gone. 499 00:37:06,959.5451335 --> 00:37:11,219.5451335 Would you be grumpy? I think I'd be shit scared. 500 00:37:11,329.5451335 --> 00:37:13,159.5451335 I don't know if I'd be grumpy. 501 00:37:13,259.5451335 --> 00:37:16,834.5451335 I maybe from lack of sleep, but I'd definitely be snippy. 502 00:37:16,954.5451335 --> 00:37:17,614.5451335 Yeah. 503 00:37:17,614.5451335 --> 00:37:22,804.5451335 The 18th time you say, did you put mushrooms in the beef Wellington? Oh, true. 504 00:37:22,804.5451335 --> 00:37:25,714.5451335 Like lady, I told you, I, I, no, I didn't do it. 505 00:37:26,74.5451335 --> 00:37:27,904.5451335 Please move on to something else. 506 00:37:28,444.5451335 --> 00:37:33,154.5451335 Yeah, you're right because they have asked the same question in so many different ways. 507 00:37:33,154.5451335 --> 00:37:33,158.5451335 In many different ways. 508 00:37:33,163.5451335 --> 00:37:33,904.5451335 Ways, yes. 509 00:37:33,994.5451335 --> 00:37:36,24.5451335 And, that is hard. 510 00:37:36,464.5451335 --> 00:37:44,444.5451335 So we're gonna break down What happened day by day with Erin Patterson on the stand? Starting with Monday? Starting with Monday. 511 00:37:44,684.5451335 --> 00:37:53,354.5451335 So Monday the pressure cooker started to boil Erin for the 18th dime, double down that she did never. 512 00:37:54,14.5451335 --> 00:37:57,434.5451335 She didn't intentionally put death cap mushrooms in the beef Wellington. 513 00:37:57,584.5451335 --> 00:38:01,664.5451335 She didn't intend to harm anyone, and she said that she was sick too. 514 00:38:01,664.5451335 --> 00:38:13,659.5451335 She confirmed that she was vomiting and she had diarrhea and she was also being affected from eating death cap mushrooms, which kind of clashes with some of the other statements. 515 00:38:13,899.5451335 --> 00:38:17,114.5451335 A nurse saying that she was drinking coffee after the lunch. 516 00:38:17,114.5451335 --> 00:38:17,654.5451335 Mm-hmm. 517 00:38:19,154.5451335 --> 00:38:26,174.5451335 Erin said it was herbal tea, but I think one of the key issues we've got is the way Erin's like, no, these people are wrong. 518 00:38:26,234.5451335 --> 00:38:31,334.5451335 All these people that have said stuff that conflicts to what I've said must be mistaken or wrong. 519 00:38:31,944.5451335 --> 00:38:38,644.5451335 She also said Ian Wilkinson was incorrect about the plates because she knew what plates she had and he was just wrong. 520 00:38:40,84.5451335 --> 00:38:40,834.5451335 I just. 521 00:38:41,839.5451335 --> 00:38:49,789.5451335 It's interesting her approach and obviously she's got legal advice here, but yeah, it's not a wrong because this, it's just they're wrong. 522 00:38:50,59.5451335 --> 00:38:50,389.5451335 Yeah. 523 00:38:50,449.5451335 --> 00:38:54,469.5451335 So I think she was starting to get a bit defensive, but that could also be from being under pressure. 524 00:38:55,414.5451335 --> 00:38:58,334.5451335 Also, I forgot to tell you because I was away on the weekend. 525 00:38:58,424.5451335 --> 00:39:11,94.5451335 I drove back past Morwell past and like got brunch in Ragan and I was sitting in the cafe and I was such a fan girl going, these are the local, look around, this is the community. 526 00:39:11,314.5451335 --> 00:39:12,904.5451335 I wonder if anyone knows them. 527 00:39:13,274.5451335 --> 00:39:15,824.5451335 It's such a big, it's such a big thing. 528 00:39:16,154.5451335 --> 00:39:18,609.5451335 But anyway, I digress, but I hadn't mentioned that to you yet. 529 00:39:18,909.5451335 --> 00:39:19,29.5451335 Oh. 530 00:39:20,829.5451335 --> 00:39:21,789.5451335 So Tuesday. 531 00:39:21,849.5451335 --> 00:39:23,289.5451335 Tuesday we're up to Tuesdays. 532 00:39:23,739.5451335 --> 00:39:29,259.5451335 This is when they got to the part where Erin told guests that she was going to be having cancer treatment. 533 00:39:29,919.5451335 --> 00:39:34,779.5451335 Actually, she said on the stand that she was planning weight loss surgery. 534 00:39:35,619.5451335 --> 00:39:38,589.5451335 Why lie? She said it was the shame of the weight loss surgery. 535 00:39:38,589.5451335 --> 00:39:38,724.5451335 I don't. 536 00:39:39,354.5451335 --> 00:39:41,394.5451335 That seems a bit of a stretch. 537 00:39:41,394.5451335 --> 00:39:42,504.5451335 But anyway, that's what she said. 538 00:39:43,24.5451335 --> 00:39:48,364.5451335 And she also claimed that she was gonna have gastric band surgery at the Enit Clinic, which is a Melbourne based clinic. 539 00:39:48,754.5451335 --> 00:39:58,84.5451335 And what was unfortunate for this is that the prosecution had Google, oh, and guess what? Enrich doesn't even provide that surgery. 540 00:39:58,174.5451335 --> 00:39:59,194.5451335 No awkward. 541 00:39:59,494.5451335 --> 00:40:01,864.5451335 At the time, they did offer liposuction. 542 00:40:02,494.5451335 --> 00:40:08,194.5451335 So, and interesting, Erin did say maybe it was mistaken and maybe it was for liposuction and they did offer that. 543 00:40:08,614.5451335 --> 00:40:11,579.5451335 So, but the blase like, just being like, oh, maybe it was for that. 544 00:40:11,609.5451335 --> 00:40:20,939.5451335 I would just feel like if it was me and I'm planning this weight loss surgery that I'm trying to keep from family, you'd probably know what you're, what surgery, right? Yeah. 545 00:40:20,999.5451335 --> 00:40:22,859.5451335 And she could have just done a. 546 00:40:23,609.5451335 --> 00:40:26,999.5451335 Like Princess Kate, I'm having general abdominal surgery. 547 00:40:27,239.5451335 --> 00:40:28,829.5451335 Yes, exactly. 548 00:40:29,129.5451335 --> 00:40:31,559.5451335 Of what my abdomen like. 549 00:40:31,769.5451335 --> 00:40:32,849.5451335 Be very vague. 550 00:40:33,449.5451335 --> 00:40:41,759.5451335 The other thing as well is she said that she had an appointment and typically if you wanna make an appointment, you gotta have a stated need for that appointment. 551 00:40:43,559.5451335 --> 00:40:46,349.5451335 Was there an appointment? We dunno. 552 00:40:46,739.5451335 --> 00:40:47,99.5451335 Okay. 553 00:40:48,29.5451335 --> 00:40:50,489.5451335 The other red flag is that she was. 554 00:40:50,999.5451335 --> 00:41:01,699.5451335 Grilled on the fact that she fed the leftovers to the children, didn't wanna take them to hospital, and at the time she knew her in-laws were unwell and then fed the leftovers to the children. 555 00:41:02,929.5451335 --> 00:41:06,774.5451335 Oh, it's just there's nothing to say. 556 00:41:06,894.5451335 --> 00:41:11,304.5451335 Erin said it's because she thought it was just gastro and there was nothing wrong with the food. 557 00:41:12,354.5451335 --> 00:41:15,174.5451335 But even so, it's like if it's gastro goat. 558 00:41:15,939.5451335 --> 00:41:19,539.5451335 Even just from an inconvenience perspective, I go, I'm not giving this to the kids. 559 00:41:19,539.5451335 --> 00:41:21,459.5451335 If they're sick tomorrow, that inconveniences me. 560 00:41:21,789.5451335 --> 00:41:21,879.5451335 Mm-hmm. 561 00:41:22,209.5451335 --> 00:41:23,259.5451335 Let's go get macas. 562 00:41:23,619.5451335 --> 00:41:29,129.5451335 So this apparent, this is what they're saying, is this is the first time we saw Erin start to get quite distressed on the stand. 563 00:41:29,219.5451335 --> 00:41:29,369.5451335 Mm. 564 00:41:29,399.5451335 --> 00:41:37,379.5451335 Because this was when things were really getting called out to say, this is different to what you said on the stand, and now you're saying something different. 565 00:41:38,279.5451335 --> 00:41:52,359.5451335 Do you think she has forgotten what she said originally, but just sort of, understanding the implications of a different story, and I think that's the hardest thing is it's been eight days on the stand. 566 00:41:52,359.5451335 --> 00:41:52,419.5451335 Yeah. 567 00:41:53,389.5451335 --> 00:41:56,839.5451335 You've said so many different things because of, you are terrified. 568 00:41:58,729.5451335 --> 00:42:00,109.5451335 It's hard now because. 569 00:42:00,859.5451335 --> 00:42:01,579.5451335 It'd be a blur. 570 00:42:01,639.5451335 --> 00:42:02,839.5451335 It's all a blur. 571 00:42:03,259.5451335 --> 00:42:12,789.5451335 And that's why I'm saying, from the outset it's looking like stumbling, but actually is it just, that's what happens when you've been on the stand. 572 00:42:12,789.5451335 --> 00:42:14,409.5451335 You've been questioned for eight days. 573 00:42:15,9.5451335 --> 00:42:16,869.5451335 You've been asked things in different ways. 574 00:42:17,139.5451335 --> 00:42:23,329.5451335 You've said lots of different things along the way 'cause you were scared it and also, It'd be quite exhausting. 575 00:42:23,329.5451335 --> 00:42:24,949.5451335 So by the end of it, you probably. 576 00:42:25,669.5451335 --> 00:42:30,59.5451335 Lose the will a little bit, probably pay less attention to what you're saying because of tiredness. 577 00:42:30,119.5451335 --> 00:42:30,479.5451335 Yeah. 578 00:42:30,479.5451335 --> 00:42:31,529.5451335 You're getting exhausted. 579 00:42:31,739.5451335 --> 00:42:31,799.5451335 Mm. 580 00:42:32,159.5451335 --> 00:42:40,519.5451335 So Wednesday Erin was asked a lot about the foraging because she previously told police she never forage and now she's saying she forage casually while walking. 581 00:42:41,239.5451335 --> 00:42:51,499.5451335 She never used any text messages, notebooks, not even her kids or her ex knew that she foraged and there seems to be no real trace of her foraging activities. 582 00:42:52,939.5451335 --> 00:42:54,889.5451335 Interesting the dehydrator photos. 583 00:42:54,889.5451335 --> 00:42:58,129.5451335 Erin had pics of drying mushrooms weeks before the lunch. 584 00:42:58,619.5451335 --> 00:43:02,729.5451335 The prosecution said she was experimenting and Erin said, no, I like drying food. 585 00:43:02,969.5451335 --> 00:43:07,849.5451335 And would you have taken photos of you dehydrating death cap mushrooms? No. 586 00:43:07,849.5451335 --> 00:43:08,839.5451335 Knowingly, no. 587 00:43:09,859.5451335 --> 00:43:10,849.5451335 Probably not. 588 00:43:10,849.5451335 --> 00:43:19,724.5451335 So, would I have taken it if I was like experimenting? You should see the amount of mushrooms from the day went to Macon ranges. 589 00:43:19,934.5451335 --> 00:43:23,594.5451335 But also like the standard of rubbish we put in the group chat. 590 00:43:23,894.5451335 --> 00:43:24,644.5451335 Oh yeah. 591 00:43:24,754.5451335 --> 00:43:28,294.5451335 Would we have put the pictures of the drying mushrooms? Absolutely. 592 00:43:28,294.5451335 --> 00:43:31,84.5451335 We put, you know, every time we buy a new outfit, I know. 593 00:43:31,534.5451335 --> 00:43:32,439.5451335 Well, I'm being productive today. 594 00:43:32,439.5451335 --> 00:43:33,579.5451335 I'm drying mushrooms. 595 00:43:33,719.5451335 --> 00:43:35,789.5451335 This morning we were treated to someone Sheen Hall. 596 00:43:36,29.5451335 --> 00:43:36,359.5451335 I know. 597 00:43:36,389.5451335 --> 00:43:37,79.5451335 Which we loved those. 598 00:43:37,109.5451335 --> 00:43:37,589.5451335 We loved it. 599 00:43:37,589.5451335 --> 00:43:38,159.5451335 We loved it. 600 00:43:40,379.5451335 --> 00:43:41,369.5451335 There was a clash moment. 601 00:43:41,399.5451335 --> 00:43:47,129.5451335 'cause Erin's daughter had testified that she was told the lunch was an adult's only lunch. 602 00:43:47,159.5451335 --> 00:43:47,189.5451335 Mm. 603 00:43:47,789.5451335 --> 00:43:49,739.5451335 And Erin said, no, her daughter didn't wanna come. 604 00:43:49,979.5451335 --> 00:43:53,99.5451335 So that kind of was a bit of a direct contradiction. 605 00:43:53,639.5451335 --> 00:43:56,99.5451335 Her daughter's quite young, isn't she? Yeah. 606 00:43:56,99.5451335 --> 00:43:57,629.5451335 I think at the time she was like nine or something. 607 00:43:57,689.5451335 --> 00:43:57,869.5451335 Yeah. 608 00:43:59,249.5451335 --> 00:44:06,59.5451335 So that's definitely some little fungi plot holes for us Thursday. 609 00:44:08,864.5451335 --> 00:44:11,784.5451335 So these are the the final questions to Erin on this day. 610 00:44:12,144.5451335 --> 00:44:12,354.5451335 Yeah. 611 00:44:12,924.5451335 --> 00:44:17,494.5451335 So the prosecution had three final questions and she did a bit of lead up. 612 00:44:17,494.5451335 --> 00:44:36,324.5451335 She goes, okay, three final questions will be relieved, and apparently a number of people in the courtroom and the jury chuckled and went, okay, the three questions, did you source the mushrooms? Did you know they were deadly? And did you serve them with intent to kill? And Erin said, disagree to all three. 613 00:44:36,497.8784668 --> 00:44:42,237.8784668 The defense did have the right of reexamination and they tried to rehumanize. 614 00:44:42,694.5451335 --> 00:44:51,286.2118001 Erin taking her back to the gastric surgery saga, framed it as a body image issue and self-confidence, not murder preparation activities. 615 00:44:51,567.8784668 --> 00:44:57,987.8784668 Erin cried talking about her son's flying lesson and her daughter's ballet bag and it showed a lot of emotion. 616 00:44:58,17.8784668 --> 00:45:09,237.8784668 And then the other thing that the prosecution really grilled Erin on is you told these lies because you never expected your witnesses to be able to tell anyone oof. 617 00:45:09,987.8784668 --> 00:45:12,267.8784668 And that, oh, that was a hard statement. 618 00:45:12,877.8784668 --> 00:45:17,477.8784668 But, also belies could be just, Erin's reality. 619 00:45:18,632.8784668 --> 00:45:26,369.5451335 Exactly like she told the cancel life because she wanted attention and she liked the attention she got from the family and her. 620 00:45:26,399.5451335 --> 00:45:27,509.5451335 She didn't have her own parents. 621 00:45:27,509.5451335 --> 00:45:28,859.5451335 Her parents had passed away. 622 00:45:29,99.5451335 --> 00:45:37,722.8784668 Yeah, I do think there's a definitely a sense of needing community and not wanting to be forgotten and trying to re maintain a relevance. 623 00:45:37,872.8784668 --> 00:45:39,222.8784668 Yeah, I agree with that. 624 00:45:39,672.8784668 --> 00:45:41,352.8784668 So this is where we're at. 625 00:45:41,832.8784668 --> 00:45:51,479.5451335 Depending on when the verdict comes out next week, gab, we intend on doing death cap diaries, the final course? Yes. 626 00:45:51,479.5451335 --> 00:45:52,109.5451335 Or maybe murder. 627 00:45:52,109.5451335 --> 00:45:54,59.5451335 She foraged a bumper addition. 628 00:45:54,479.5451335 --> 00:45:54,749.5451335 Yes. 629 00:45:55,49.5451335 --> 00:45:57,329.5451335 You're way too good at this, but yes and yes. 630 00:45:57,729.5451335 --> 00:46:00,309.5451335 And once it all happens, we have a little bit of. 631 00:46:00,681.8784662 --> 00:46:04,161.8784662 Breathing space to really talk about some things perhaps we haven't covered yet. 632 00:46:04,371.8784662 --> 00:46:06,411.8784662 Yes, there's stuff that we haven't been able to say. 633 00:46:06,411.8784662 --> 00:46:08,901.8784662 We haven't been able to give a lot of opinions. 634 00:46:08,901.8784662 --> 00:46:09,21.8784662 No. 635 00:46:09,21.8784662 --> 00:46:10,748.5451328 So watch out for that. 636 00:46:11,905.2117995 --> 00:46:13,855.2117995 So I think that's all we've got time for today, Claire. 637 00:46:14,275.2117995 --> 00:46:17,635.2117995 It is Gab and it has been an absolutely huge week. 638 00:46:17,905.2117995 --> 00:46:24,535.2117995 My eyes are glued for next week's jury camp starting, and also what happens tomorrow with the No Kings protest. 639 00:46:24,625.2117995 --> 00:46:25,135.2117995 Yes. 640 00:46:25,195.2117995 --> 00:46:33,925.2117995 So if you found yourself yelling yes or saying, wait, what? At any point, rate us five star and leave us a review and share this episode with the group chat. 641 00:46:34,105.2117995 --> 00:46:38,305.2117995 We'll be back next week with more spin, more stories, and definitely more strong opinions. 642 00:46:38,365.2117995 --> 00:46:42,115.2117995 Until then, keep questioning the narrative and we'll catch you next time on Spin Cycle. 643 00:46:42,515.2117995 --> 00:46:42,695.2117995 Bye-bye.