July 16, 2025 • 40 mins
🎤 What does it really take to train a trick dog who can perform on a global stage—and still be your best friend at home?
In this episode of Straight Up Dog Talk, Em sits down with the incredible Sara Carson—America’s Got Talent finalist, top dog trainer, and creator of The Super Collies—for a raw and inspiring look at what life is really like behind the spotlight.
You’ll learn:• What most people don’t see about the emotional side of performing with dogs• How Sara builds unbreakable trust to teach epic tricks and stunts• The pressure of competitions, expos, and public judgment—and how she handles it• Why fun, community, and connection matter just as much as the training itself
If you’ve ever wanted to level up your training, connect more deeply with your dog, or just hear the truth behind the “famous dog” world—this episode will challenge and inspire you.
🎧 Listen now and remember: every extraordinary trick starts with one small moment of trust.
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(00:09):
Welcome to Straight Up Dog Talk.I'm Em and we are back again
this week with another amazing guest.
This week we have Sarah, who is the mom of the Super collies.
How are you doing today, Sarah? I'm doing good, thanks for
having me on. Thank you so much for being
here. It was so cool to get to meet
you at Expo and watch you and Joker perform for everybody.
(00:29):
He is such a fun guy and such a bouncy guy.
I was very impressed by his jumprope skills as well as his
ability to jump a very high overthat pole that you had set up
for him. I always tell people to be
careful what they name their dogs because he truly is a
joker. I think everybody that had the
chance to meet him at Global also would agree with that he.
(00:50):
Definitely has a lot of spunk, but I like a dog with a lot of
character and I love a dog that presents a little bit of a
challenge because that gives us room for learning.
You've told a story at Expo about your dog prior to Joker
and him being your heart dog andhow you were unable to attend
the Expo the previous year because of that.
(01:10):
Would you mind sharing that withthe listeners of?
Course, Yeah. So I placed fifth on America's
Got Talent with a dog named Hero.
He got diagnosed with a disease called valley fever when he was
about 7 years old. And so it didn't come to a
surprise, but it definitely happened kind of unexpectedly
where he just stopped eating andhe went incredibly downhill at
around 14. And it just so happened to be
(01:33):
literally four days before I wassupposed to leave for Global.
So I obviously made the very easy decision to not attend
Global because I know that everysingle person that would have
seen me there would have startedtalking to me or asking me like,
Oh my gosh, how are you doing? And I couldn't handle that at
that time. I wasn't able to attend then,
but this year was my very first Global and I've already
purchased my condo for next year.
(01:54):
So I'm very excited to go back. Yes, I am also already trying to
make plans for next. It was such a fun event.
It was my first year as well, just getting to meet everybody
in person, first of all, but allthe new people too and learning
about all the brands and everything that are out there.
It was just a really neat experience.
And as somebody who is right nowa much smaller account, it was
(02:17):
really cool to feel like I was on the same playing ground as
some of you bigger Instagram accounts because you're people
and I get to talk to you in person and talk to you about
your hobbies and learn a little bit about you.
And that was really, really coolbecause it makes the social
media world theme that is so present feel a little more like
(02:37):
we're human. Yeah, 100%.
There was so many brands that I got to meet in person there for
the first time in years and it was definitely a really nice
experience I enjoyed. It What was your favorite part
about? Expo.
Oh my gosh, Honestly, it was just connecting with other
account people and other accounts that I followed for
years and years and years. People were traveling and flying
in from every part of the UnitedStates and Canada.
(02:58):
So I would say that was definitely my favorite part.
Yes, the networking and all of that with brands is great.
But being able to actually connect with people in person,
as you said, it's a totally different thing knowing people
online and seeing them in person.
It really is. Well, why don't you tell
everybody a little bit about yourself, how you got started in
what you're doing, and a little bit more about your dogs?
Yeah, I started training dogs and I was about 11 years old.
(03:21):
I opened my own dog training facility at about 15 and I ran
that for five years teaching everything from puppy classes,
agility, tricks, we've did some fly ball and disc.
Eventually I got a lot of hands on experience really, really
early on. It's been 15 years since I've
started doing that and I've basically grown from doing all
of the dog sports to teaching all of the pet parents around
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the world how to do this kind ofstuff.
So if you asked me even 10 yearsago, I would have told you that
this was just a wild dream and being able to reach so many
people was not an accessible thing that would happen.
But social media truly has just made it so much easier for
people to connect and grow and share their knowledge and share
their experiences with people that couldn't have happened
(04:04):
before. I started watching videos on
YouTube and that's how I basically became the trainer
that I am today. I do tell everybody hands on
experience is the way to go. So if you ever want to become a
dog trainer or just sharpen yourskills in general, just talk to
your neighbor, talk to your friend, work with their dog.
Different dogs are are different.
Everybody is different. I initially got into dog
training because I fell in love with agility, oddly enough.
(04:27):
I thought it was just so much fun and so cool.
I wasn't really into human sports, not my thing.
So I took my family dog and and started to do that, which grew
into the canine freestyle. That's what I would say I'm most
known for. I was on America's Got Talent in
2017 with Hero Loki and Marvel. That kind of blew up doggy
dancing in the United States before it really wasn't a big
(04:50):
thing. It's really, really big.
In Europe. There's Gruffs, which is the
largest dog show in the world. I liked it.
I thought it was fun and I likedputting tricks to music and
creating stories and being able to connect with people through
those stories. So that's kind of the gist of
like how I got started and kind of where my path led me.
Today I have three border collies and a golden retriever
(05:10):
that has an identity crisis, butI have four dogs.
I love border Collies. So I've had several over the
years and I'm really big about every single dog is different.
They have their own quirks, their own personalities, all
that stuff. So I've been able to take
puppies, train them a year or two and realize that they really
don't like this. They don't like the lifestyle of
traveling. They don't like performing in
front of crowds and thousands ofpeople.
(05:31):
It's a scary experience for somedogs.
I've, I've owned several, several border collies in my 15
years of doing this. The ones I have now are Hawkeye,
who is my oldest. He's 6:00.
And then I have Joker, who many of you met at Global.
He's going to be 3. I have Comic who is is a Co
owned dog so he actually leaves at the end of this year and he's
two who will also be 3 this year.
(05:53):
And then I have Archer who is mygolden retriever redhead
stepchild. He's amazing.
He loves to work and loves to dostuff.
He has all the energy of a border collie and no brains to
match it, so there's that for him.
What's his level of grace like? Oh boy, he's almost broken my
nose a couple times. So I mean, he's very forgiving
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and he's a really he, he's not an easy dog to train because of
how, how dumb he can be, but he enjoys everything.
Anything you introduce him to, he's going to put 110% effort
into to try and do his best, which is his best.
So we won't discount that. So yeah, that's, those are the,
the dogs I have. And then I have a 2 cats, 1 is
(06:36):
on his wheel. So hopefully you can't hear
that. One is a, a bangle mix and then
the other is just a fat Garfieldcat.
And they do commercials and all that fun stuff.
So all the animals definitely keep you busy.
Yeah, sounds like it. That's quite a handful.
I love that you've figured out what you liked and you you ran
with it. 15 is really young to say I'm gonna I'm gonna make a
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career out of this and then juststick with it.
So that's awesome. Yeah, it definitely wasn't easy.
And my dad said that if I wantedto be a dog trainer that I had
to go to college. So I did get a degree in graphic
design, which I almost dropped out so many times.
I was like, I hate this. I can draw a stick figure, like
that's about it. But I use it in my everyday
life. I create banners and stuff and I
(07:17):
do my own website design, so it's definitely helpful.
But no, it was, it was kind of hard growing up because like you
said, if Dean is really early and all of my peers were out
partying and doing regular teenage stuff and I was growing
a business and training my dog and focusing on myself.
And those people typically made fun of me.
And I did not have a lot of friends growing up, which makes
(07:38):
sense. I think that that's OK, right?
Because you did, you focused on you and you got where you needed
to be. And look at you now dancing on
stages with dogs and it is cool.It's so cool.
That's a goal of mine. I would love to have a dog that
would dance with me. I have Fitz who he can do a lot
of tricks, but man, we struggle with a few things.
(07:59):
He's he's a smart, smart, smart dog and he figures things out
really quickly. But he's just also kind of
stubborn in his own way. And he is stuck on The Walking
backwards. That's the one that we've been
stuck on for like a year. I have tried literally
everything to do the he walks backwards.
Well, I walk forwards thing and it's like he has no rear end
(08:20):
awareness and we have worked on it so much.
I'm just like, dude, OK, all right, I have the same way.
Every dog is different. They have their own unique
personality and quirks. And if you can't figure it out,
we might just have to let it go because that might just be the
thing that he doesn't get. Another really cool thing that
you did in your dancing, which is one of my favorite tricks, is
when you hold your arms out and let him jump through hoops and
(08:43):
you'd rotate from side to side and then the weaves and then out
of the legs, his paws on your feet while you're moving.
It was just really cool. How long does it take you to
choreograph and coordinate that?It really depends on the dog and
the skills that they have. When I was on America's Got
Talent in the finals, we only had four days to make a new
routine. I'm very thankful because one of
the judges brought that up during the deliberation is like,
(09:05):
she had four days to do this, but the dogs were trained.
The dogs knew all of the behaviors for the most part.
I think I taught a couple new ones, but it really is just
about finding a song that reallyinspires it because once you get
your song, you can get a piece of paper and just write out the
whole thing. I think the biggest thing that
people don't understand is that the dog doesn't have this
memorized. The only person that has this in
(09:27):
their head is the person. And that's the whole like
difficulty of the dance is a lotof people think, Oh my gosh, the
dog is so smart. No, my dog's just following each
task when it's being asked to do.
And honestly, the skill is in the person because it is very
difficult to put that together and memorize it and then
actually perform it with an animal.
The amount coordination too, right, because you have to not
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trip over the dog while the dog is doing whatever it is they're
doing and not end up on your face in front of everybody.
So it really is quite a lot of skills all combined in one.
It just is really, really, really admirable.
So you train dogs in agility, Other sports tricks tell
everybody all you train. Yeah, I mean, I literally do it
all. Fly ball, disc agility, dock
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diving. We've done nose work, we've done
bite work. We've really, truly done it all.
And that's mostly because I try and find the thing that each dog
really likes. Because as I've mentioned, I've
had dogs in the past. I need this dog to do this
specific skill and it doesn't want to.
I'm not going to force it to do that.
I'm going to find it a home where it can thrive and do what
it desires. And then I can find another dog
that actually wants to do that. Thing and that's so kind and so
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considerate because I think thatthat's the biggest problem with
social media and people using their dogs as their social media
platform is a lot of times dogs get put into these situations
where we can clearly see that they're uncomfortable or they're
not enjoying what is happening. And the body language is there.
It's very visible and everyone on the Internet is going my
(10:57):
gosh, that's so cute. And all of us trainers are
going, my gosh, it is not, it isnot.
It happens more often than not. I do train service dogs as well
and that's one of the highest flush rate in a dog job.
Not every dog should be a service dog and honestly they
probably can't be. I really try and push for all of
that as well and just advocate that every single dog is
(11:19):
different. Every single dog has a different
skill that they're good at or things that they don't like.
And that doesn't mean if your dog is reactive to cats or
something, it can't be a servicedog.
We're talking really comfortability in different
environments and sounds and working non-stop and being able
to put your needs before theirs.So it's, it's tough, but I, I
think that with the amount of education that's coming out
recently, I think that it truly is, it's getting better.
(11:41):
I. Really hope so.
I have mentored under Jamie Simpson for a little while,
learning how to train service dogs as well.
My dog Fitz was supposed to be aservice dog.
He very clearly washed because he is people selective.
He's dog selective. He was great at doing the tasks
at home, great at doing exactly everything he needed to do.
But the second we got out in public and there was a potential
(12:05):
trigger or something he thought was a threat approaching, he's a
border collie. He's going to Alert me.
He's going to start nudging me. He's going to start saying this
is what we need to do when I'm saying no, we need to do this.
And it just it was not a good mix.
But I fell in love with him and I fell in love with his
complexities. And so of course he just stayed
with me. And he's such a crazy dog.
(12:27):
But that personality and that spunk is, I think that's kind
of, you know, what we should love about our dogs.
We should love how unique they are and how individual they are
because we are too, right? As people, we're unique
individuals and we have likes and dislikes and it just baffles
me sometimes that people don't apply that to their dogs as
well. Now they expect them to be
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robots and to behave at all times and never make a mistake.
And it's tough. It's tough being in our position
and seeing. That that's really tough.
What do you think that your favorite thing about performing
is? It's funny because I think it's
different than what most would say.
My favorite thing is the reaction they get from the
audience. I want to make sure that I'm
connecting with people and that people see my dogs perform and
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it brings just a little bit of joy to their day.
I said this the other day, actually.
I get very nervous before a show.
Doesn't matter if it's ten people or 10,000 people, but my
dog could go out and just sit there and people would love it.
And I really have to remind myself that these people that
are watching the show, their dogs probably can't do half the
stuff that my dogs can do. So it's going to be a good
(13:30):
experience either way. But yeah, my my favorite part is
truly just the audience and and how it makes them feel.
I love that. What do you think is the hardest
trick to teach? A walking handstand by far.
I say that from experience. My very, very first dog took 3
1/2 years to learn it. The dog after that took six
months. The dog after that took one
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month and the dog after that took three days.
So as yeah, as a trainer, I feellike it's it is one of those
behaviors that is incredibly difficult and I've been able to
get it down to almost a science.So I'm pretty proud of that.
But it's still by far one of themost difficult tricks I.
Downloaded your app. We when we chatted at at Expo,
you were like, oh, here's my card and I checked out your app
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and everything. And you do you offer all kinds
of trick training and just information, little videos and
stuff that you have available for everybody.
And they can sign up for different programs, different
levels of membership. Is that a skill that you teach
on there? Yeah.
So on Papa, there's several behaviors that I've made easier
for people to teach, but Papa really it focuses on as soon as
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you bring a puppy home, we have everything you need on there for
that. Crate training, leash walking.
We're about to add some behaviormodification, which is going to
be really beneficial to the average pet owner.
Just simple stuff like reactivity.
You can do every single dog sport on there.
We have math classes, as you mentioned, a lot, a lot of trick
stuff. And then I do have to mention it
because I'm a cat person now. I, we did a April Fool's joke a
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few years ago on the app. And so for the April Fool's
lesson pack, it's cat tricks. And so it's all real, but it's
still April Fool's because it's a dog training app.
That's cute, my gosh. Well you mentioned you had a
Bengal and Bengals are very smart cats and they are
trainable and they like to do things and participate in stuff.
So does your cat do tricks and stuff too?
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Yes, he's very much a little dog, and honestly, both of them
are very doglike. But Maverick can walk into any
building and just own the room, so it's it's pretty fun for me.
That's really cool. So what inspired you to start
Popper? Popper was actually not my idea.
The developers reached out to me.
They had the entire app built and they just needed a dog
trainer. It just so happens that I was in
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the area at the time and so we met up for dinner and the rest
is kind of history. That's.
Cool. How long have you guys been
working together? So it was.
The day that my America's Got Talent audition release.
So March 2017. OK.
Yeah. So, yeah, so it's been out there
for a while. And you guys, how often do you
guys add stuff to it? We try to add stuff every other
month. The biggest thing that we've
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changed is that it's not just meand the app.
So I hire other professionals intheir specific niches and then
we typically film master classesfor that.
Very cool, very cool. I haven't checked out any of the
upper tier stuff, but I'm very excited to get that added on to
my list. I think that it's really
important as a dog parent and a dog trainer to learn from
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multiple sources. I think that if you just pick
one thing and stick with it, then you're just going to be
stuck in that system, that mud, whatever.
And you can't learn and grow your own skill set if you're not
trying to learn and grow your own skill set.
And the only way to do that is to learn from many people.
So I have had many mentors over the last two years and I just
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continue to collect them becauseI think it's so important
because everybody sees somethingthrough a different lens and
through a different angle. And clearly you've mastered The
Walking handstand. So you would be the person that
I would be like, hey, Sarah, I think we need to talk because
I'd love to figure out how to teach this to somebody, whereas
somebody else might know how to teach their dog how to jump
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through the arm hoops better than you.
It's just finding the right balance.
And I think that knowing that there are so many resources out
there is super important becauseone of the things that I tried
to do on this podcast empower Pet parents, because I think a
lot of parents are afraid to ask, right?
They're embarrassed about the situation that they have at
home. They don't know why their dog is
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doing this. They don't understand the body
language. And then when they talk to their
regular friends and family who are not dog obsessed people like
they are, they just get a lot ofnegative feedback and then they
don't know what to do. So what is your advice to those
people? I'm just going to repeat what
you said. If you ask a family member
something and they tell you one thing, get a second opinion from
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somebody that actually trains dogs.
This just happened to a friend of mine.
She just got a dog, she lives ina van travels and her dog was
having issues. I want to say it was chasing
wildlife or something like that.And so she bought a neat collar.
I have no problem you use the tools properly I don't care.
But she bought a neat collar andit was like a $20 thing off of
Amazon. And she said Oh my family member
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told me to buy this. And right away I messaged her
and I was like hey throw in the trash go buy one that's like
$300.00 and has some backing. Don't do that.
And I sent her a bunch of Leos on it because I don't personally
teach it. I don't recommend them.
I mean every dog is different. I had a dog that required a lot
of out-of-the-box training. But if that's what she wants to
do, sure. But do it right.
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And the only reason she didn't do it right was because a family
member told her otherwise. Don't get your dog advice from
people that have just raised pets and think that they know
better. And you don't have to spend the
money as you mentioned. Like go on Google, find a dog
trainer and watch some other stuff and that's the big reason
I came out with Popper. I came out with Popper.
So it was a dog trainer in your pocket.
You have no excuses. There's a question and answered.
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You have an answer within 24 hours.
You can talk to a trainer directly, any question, and it's
coming from somebody that has some backing.
And it's the same in every aspect of anything like horses,
cats, anything. If you're doing anything with an
animal, take advice from family members that even if they're
like breeding dogs in their backyard, like don't, don't do
that. Just go find someone that has a
little bit of backing, a little credibility.
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Just ask. The worst they're going to say
is like, give me 10 bucks and then I'll answer your question.
OK, fine. That's still going to be better
than what you're going. To get Yeah.
And there are so many trainers on Instagram or YouTube or
TikTok like me that will do a free consultation with you and
will sit down with you for 1/2 an hour and say, OK, I can help
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you with this. But if you're looking to do
that, you might want to try thistrainer or I know another
trainer that you could try because I think that's part of
the dog training community is knowing what our strengths and
weaknesses are. And if somebody came to me and
was like, I want to learn how todance with my dog, I'd be like,
I have the perfect person for you, but it's definitely not me.
And I think that that's something that some of the dog
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training community maybe needs to check their egos a little bit
and be OK with referring to eachother.
And you can't be a. Master of all the things, like I
know a lot and I'm, I'm willing to give advice on it, but if
somebody was like, hey, I'm going to pay you $50,000 to
train this dog to do this. And I'm like, what about if I
teach it to dance? I don't have my specialties.
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I'm good at trick training. I'm good at that stuff.
But I wouldn't take on a case and pretend like I know what I'm
doing. I would never do that.
But yeah, going back to the question though, as a pet
parent, definitely be very cautious about where you're
getting your advice from, because puppies are sponges.
And if you started on the wrong track because you took
somebody's advice that was free,you're going to have to spend a
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lot of money in the future because now you're going to fix
those problems, and it's not as easy as just implementing them
in the first place. Yeah, you're absolutely right.
And going backwards to go forwards is often very
frustrating and a lot of people don't understand that.
It's definitely a try to do it right the first time situation
and unfortunately most people learn it the wrong way before
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they learn it the right way. If somebody wanted to get
started in the sports dog world or the dog dancing world, is
there a breed of dog that you would recommend?
Is there a place that you would recommend that they get started?
Obviously we both agree that youhave to have the right dog for
it, but how do you identify? That it's the right dog.
I'll give you 2 answers. The first answer, any rescue dog
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would probably be fine. The big thing is putting that
rescue dog through the paces to make sure that it is a good fit.
I've adopted dogs for clients totrain and sell and I've adopted
several rescue dogs for that job.
But I make sure that the dog haspassed XY and Z1 of those
examples being like, I make surethe dog has been at Lowe's and
I've seen the dog ride in a car,get out of the car, go into the
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store, say hi to a person, say hi to a dog, take food, play
with a toy. How do they react to loud
noises? All of those things.
And that will tell you if the dog would be a successful sports
dog or service dog, just workingdog in general.
The other side of the coin is breeders go to a really
reputable breeder. That doesn't need to mean that
it's AKC and purebred. You could go to a sports
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breeder. That's like what whip it border
collie mixes and stuff that are bred for this.
But definitely don't just get a dog based off of what they look
like or their name or their breed.
I don't like Huskies. I could go test a Husky and be
like that's going to be an amazing sport dog.
It just you just need to look atthe dog as an individual and see
what their, like you said, theirtheir strengths and their
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weaknesses are and all of the above.
That's kind of what I tell people is you really want to
think about it because you don'twant to bring home this dog and
then have this dog go through this whole, well, now I have to
find a new home and I've only been here for a week.
You really want to make sure it's the right dog for the job.
We. Completely agree with that.
Let's say we've gone through thepaces, we've found a trainer
that's helping us and now we're actually progressing into the
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sport world, the working world, and we don't know which sport.
How do you put them through the paces to pick the sport and
understand that the dog actuallylikes and wants to participate?
There's a lot of sports and clubs that offer try it
sessions. I've seen it in barn hunt, I've
seen it in disc because there's disc leagues everywhere.
Dock diving typically has try it's, but that is also kind of
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why we developed Popper was thatway people could kind of
understand their dog and then look at each sport as an
individual and see, Oh my dog likes water.
Oh, my dog likes to play fetch. Oh, my dog likes to touch like
very easily be able to identify what sport their dog would
probably like. And then again, just finding a
club locally that has try it's or even just contacting a club
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being like, Hey, I just got thisdog or I've had this dog for a
while and I want to get into sports again.
That goes back to don't be afraid to ask questions. 100%
Here's a tricky one for you. I live in Iowa and we don't have
local clubs. What do you recommend for
somebody like me who doesn't have a dog that would
participate in this kind of stuff?
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But if I. Did.
What would you recommend? I lived in Canada for 20 years
and I lived in the deep N where there was nothing and I was
young so I couldn't drive. I knew that I wanted to do
agility. I knew that I wanted to get into
the dog stuff, and I found clubsthat were doing triads and fun
runs and stuff that were four hours away.
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And I hitched rides with people.I remember I hitched a ride with
a police officer once to go to adog event.
They just dropped me off and then I found a ride home.
Maybe it was safer back then. I don't know.
Probably not, but it really is like, yes, that is an extreme
case of like, I knew what I wanted to do and I wanted to do
agility. But it's a matter of finding
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community because if you want todo it, there's most likely
somebody that's around you within an hour or so that also
wants to do it. And once you find that person,
thank you Internet, you can carpool and find ways to get to
these places. There's also the option of
finding a group of people locally to you to pitch in and
get someone to come to your areato teach a workshop to work
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one-on-one. There's definitely a lot of
options. None of them are easy.
I'll be honest, none of them areeasy.
Kind of grew to the point where I have agility.
Like I have a full agility course in my front yard.
I have a dock diving pool in my front yard.
I have everything I need here, which is also an option if you
are extreme, but the small answer is just to find a group
local to you, find a person local to you, and just kind of
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piggyback off of each other. And I think that's an excellent
answer. I'm guessing Facebook or
Instagram, just posting things like that to your stories or
your feed and asking questions and seeing where you can find
people who have something in common with you.
Because I'm sure that there are groups that are all over the
place that would say, Oh yeah, no, I follow this group, but I
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actually live here and I'm only an hour away from you.
They should be up and drive together.
I would say that it's really, really common, though, to be in
that space of there's nothing around me.
You have to drive. It's a long going joke for a for
dog people. I think it's like got to get up
at the crack of dawn to drive 7 hours so my dog can find a rat
for two minutes and then I drivehome.
Dog sports are not for the faintof heart.
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But it makes you not a morning person, but it makes you like
able to do do that stuff and getout of like a comfort zone.
Yeah. And I definitely think that
getting out of the comfort zone thing is important.
And I think it also makes you like a master Packer, right?
Because you have to take the kennels and all of your
equipment and all of your leashes and harnesses and
everything. Because there's a lot involved
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with some of the dog sports. And some dogs have to have the
blinds and some dogs have separate kennels or mats or
special areas or tents. Or every time I talk to somebody
about sports, I'm like, geez Louise, you guys spent how much
money on doing that? And you just said you have a
dock thing in your front yard. What?
Yeah, That's that's pretty awesome.
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Though I bought an RV for my dogs because it was just easier
to travel that way. And once you get so many dogs,
yeah, once you get so many dogs,you can't stay at hotels.
So it's way easier to just get an RV.
But no, there's a lot involved. And I always tell people I'm a
master at car Tetris. I can pack a car.
Yeah, you would have to be able to.
I mean, with that many dogs, do the cats travel with you too?
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They both traveled in the RV several times, and then they had
a commercial in Florida, so we had to drive.
I learned that they don't like being in crates.
I'm all about safety, but these cats, I can't listen to them cry
for 10 hours driving to Florida.So I bought them a basket that
goes in the front seat and they just sleep in it.
They stay in it. They're quiet.
But yeah, it's cats are a whole other thing.
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They are a whole other thing. I I agree with you though.
I had a cat when I was in my early 20s and I actually moved
to Florida for a few years and Idrove down there and he would
just sit in like the window of the dashboard and just watch out
the window and that's fine. But if he was in his crate, he
howled and yelled and he peed everywhere and it was a
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nightmare. Thank God mine don't do that.
They just scream. They scream bloody murder for
hours and hours and hours and never stop.
Yeah, no. The screaming is bad enough, but
when you add pee to it when you're in a vehicle, it's just
not not fun. No, my gosh.
Even though this is a dog podcast, I have to know, what's
your favorite trick to teach a cat?
I think jumping arms is really fun because they kind of use
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your leg to get up. So I don't know, I think jumping
arm is fun. They can do all the same tricks
like goose can do foot stall, back stall.
I call it perch because it's like a parrot overarm, souped
arms, shake, paw, sit pretty. I mean, they, they do all of the
things, the dogs. Do what do you think is the main
difference between teaching a dog versus a cat?
My gosh, a dog wants to do it and a cat does not Easy, hands
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down. That's the difference.
The Bengal obviously if he wantsto work and I just just posted a
video of him on set walking intoset doing a sit like super easy.
But my orange cat who was just adomestic regular cat, he could
be hungry and starving. He wouldn't do anything that I
asked him to do. That's orange cats, though.
Orange cats have like a very special type of personality.
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Yeah, they do kind of weird. They're just kind of weird.
Yeah, I would agree. Which of out of all of your dogs
do you think has been the most difficult tool?
So Marvel for sure. Hands down.
I adopted her off Craigslist. She was with a amazing family
that I'm still in contact with today and she was about, I'm
gonna say seven months old. I tested her with Hero at a dog
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park. She was fine, no problems.
The second I brought her home, she attacked Hero the 2nd and I
knew about her issues and I was like, oh, like it's fine, I can
handle that. No, no, I could not.
So she was, she was a lot. We did a lot of out-of-the-box
training stuff that I wasn't comfortable with.
I learned from a lot of people. And at the end of the day, the
biggest thing that helped her was a muzzle.
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She learned to growl and communicate instead of just
attack. She's had lots of dog friends,
very, very cautiously, lots of dog friends.
And the rule for her was if she played with a dog while she was
wearing the muzzle, they typically could be fine
together, but obviously no toys or resources.
She would resource guard water from dogs.
It's like she was bad. She did America's Got Talent,
she's done theaters, halftime shows, a whole bunch of fun
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stuff. And she was amazing performing
dog, amazing. If she was working, she was
fine. And then when I left California
with her, I learned how to play frisbee and do disc freestyle
with the dogs. And she actually placed eighth
at a world championship, which was our first time ever doing a
world championship. So it was really fun for people
to be like, who's that? But she an incredible, just
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incredible dog. And she's retired now.
She lives with my dad in Canada.And she is very fat and very
round. They hike together every day and
they're doing great. And she's muzzled if she goes to
the vet, she's muzzled if she's on a hike.
He follows directions very, verywell so she can live a nice and
safe life. That's wonderful.
I love that. She just turned 10.
She yeah, she retired two years ago.
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She deserves to have that nice retired life, for sure.
Yeah, for sure. And I love that your dad can
provide that for her. What a wonderful way to be able
to not only still visit her, butcheck in daily.
Because it's family, right? Yeah, he was just here with her,
so I was able to see her and shewas very excited and very round.
But, but no, he follows. I'm just happy that he follows
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the directions because she's a very special dog.
If he didn't take her, she probably would have been
behaviorally euthanized because there was no other place for
her. I have kennel full of dogs here
and cats that she wanted to murder.
We really think that it was something genetically incorrect.
I'm going to say I know that it is because she was purchased off
Craigslist and they said she wasa border collie.
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And I was like, then she's missing a tail and we did adna
test and she's 5050 Aussie border collie and they never met
the parents. And there's like one of those
situations and this is going back to what we just talked
about 20 minutes ago. Be careful you get your dog, do
a little research, do a little testing, figure out and make
sure it's a good fit because shewas like that since day one
where she just did not like other animals.
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Yeah. And it's hard because people
don't know, and then they buy from somebody who's literally
just breeding dogs in kid pools in their backyard.
And it sucks that it's happeningand the whole crisis that we're
in in the rescue community because of it.
Yeah, it's just really bad. And she, she wouldn't have been
able to live anywhere else because even when she was here,
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like it was very, very, very carefully managed and she could
be in the kennel with the other dogs and like not fence fight or
anything like that. But she couldn't be let out with
anybody, especially if I what I wasn't there like no, no, no,
she stays there. So it was tough because she like
perfect house dog loves being inthe house.
She's not crated at all anymore.My dad just gives her free roam
and she's, she's doing great. And I'm, I'm very, very pleased.
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And I think that she's exactly what he needed as well.
So. It worked out.
It definitely does take a special type of person.
I had a situation with two dogs where we live the crate and
rotate life as well. And it's just, it is a lot of
work and it is very, very stressful and you do have to be
very careful. And unfortunately my situation
did not end as nicely as yours did.
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But it's just one of those things that happens sometimes
and it's hard to talk about. I was.
Prepared to make the decision ifI had to, but at the end of the
day like it worked out thankfully.
Yeah, which is wonderful becauseit's so good to hear a story
that works out because we hear so many that don't.
Traveling with animals. What's the hardest part?
The hardest part about travelingwith animals is traveling with
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animals seriously, especially ifit's more than And two, good
luck finding any place to sleep and take a shower because none
of them are going to welcome youin with open arms.
I've had good luck with some places where I say, hey, this is
who I am. These are my dogs.
They'll sleep in crates. Don't charge me an astronomical
pet fee, please. But that doesn't happen anymore.
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So the hardest part is probably finding a place to stay.
Airbnb lifesaver. That is, you're dealing with a
specific person that you can talk to and you can communicate
like, hey, these are my dogs. They do all of this.
They're very trained, they'll bein kennels having to stop
frequently. So my dogs, typically my dogs
are pretty good now, but gettinga dog used to the traveling life
and like, hey, like we typicallystop every four hours to get gas
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and like, I don't want to potty you every time.
So it might be the second gas time.
So it's really about creating that structure and creating that
schedule for each dog car. Car accidents, they happen,
deer, they happen. So I always recommend getting
some really good crates. A lot of people kind of want to
cheap out on that. I say absolutely not.
I have a friend recently, she was traveling with two dogs and
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she got messed up. She was in a huge car pile up.
Car was totaled, dogs were fine,thankfully because they were in
crash tested crates. It really can just happen in the
blink of an eye. So I always tell everybody just
spend the money, especially if you only have one or two dogs.
Get the nice crash tested. Crates, I don't care if you Rep
a brand or not, but I I think that this is super important
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because I agree with you the crash test it is super
important. I know 1 brand that I've heard
is really good, but what is yourrecommendation on?
Them. So if you don't mind having a
crate that's really heavy, Gunner Kennels is probably the
number one. I don't like them because
they're so heavy and I have so many dogs.
So that is a crate that I've used in the past that stays in
the car. I like to have crates that I can
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take out of the car and bring into a hotel or do that kind of
stuff. So I use the Ruffland crates.
That's what was my friend had inher car during her car accident.
The doors shattered, but the crate itself was fine.
The dogs are fine. They actually were really nice
and I believe they donated her new crates as well, which very,
very nice at them. Yeah.
And then I use TNC kennels in myRV's because they're custom
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sized for the vehicle. So I've used those in the
converted van and both of my RV.'S very cool.
Gunner and Ruffland are the two brands that I have heard
wonderful things about and they are both on the list to
hopefully get somebody to come on the podcast and talk about
why it's so important and why they crash test and all that
kind of stuff. Because I think that, you know,
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of course, car safety occasionally do I put my dog in
the backseat with a harness and a seat belt thing?
Yes, I absolutely do. If we're just going to the vet
or whatever, that's fine. But if you are traveling for
several hours, there is definitely a benefit to keeping
your dog safe. Do you have fans and all that
kind of stuff that you attached everything?
I used to, but the new van that I have actually was a passenger
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model, so it has the air vents right in the back so I don't
have to great. In the past I have had to do
that and Gunner sells attachments for fans, so it's
really easy to do that. I want to say Rufflin does or
they just make a crate that has the indentation for a fan.
But either way it is smart to have some sort of way for the
air to move. So I opted for the passenger one
because it was just easier. But I do want to go back a
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little though. One of the things for traveling
that most people don't know thatI've lived by is if you're
traveling to a different state, don't give your dog water from
that state. So you want to bring a bunch of
gallons of water, I just filled them with my home water.
You can stop at a gas station and buy the gallons if you want,
but my biggest thing is do not give water from that state.
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When we were in Florida, Joker didn't get Florida Water until
the last day and that's because it's different stuff in the
water. Most dogs would just get an
upset stomach and have diarrhea.If you have a lot of dogs, that
is not something you want to deal with.
No, I have had to. It's not fun.
So just spend the money, go to agas station and get water.
I think that's a really good piece of advice and something
that I had not thought of, so thank you for that.
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That's an excellent tip. And you're right, every state
has different water quality. And we know from just the news
that there are states where theyhave really, really poor water
quality and people are sick. So if people are sick, we know
dogs are definitely going to be sick.
And I always do filtered water for my dogs anyway.
I think that taking note of thatand spending a little bit of
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extra money just to make sure they're safe is definitely,
definitely worth it. Do you have any more tips and
tricks that you'd like to to layout?
Man, I think that I think we covered quite a bit.
You have some great questions, which is awesome.
I try really hard to think aboutwhat other people would be
asking if they were listening tous talking.
Yeah, there's so many, so many different things in the dog
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world that we can talk about. But like you said, each of us
kind of specialize in our own thing.
And you definitely have a special, special niche that you
work in. Let's come up with one more
question. For Dog Fancy, you performed
Footloose, which you said was the song that you did for the
show with Hero, and then you didit again with Joker.
Is there a new song that we should be watching for?
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That's a great question. I'm gonna say no because I just
feel like like everybody knows what the song is.
And like I said, my biggest thing with performing is I
really want people to connect. So if I do a show that isn't
very big, then I might do just some random song that I think is
fun. We were in New Orleans this past
Christmas and we did a show there at a brewery and I used a
whole Christmas playlist. So that one was a little unique.
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But I typically just like to stick to Footloose.
It's just something here when I performed that for years and
years and years all across NorthAmerica.
So I I think it's just a song that people really relate to and
they like it. And it's a fun song and you guys
do some fun stuff. It was just really incredible to
meet you and watch you guys in person.
And I hope that we can do it again.
And hopefully I will be seeing you at Expo again next year and
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maybe even before then. We'll have to keep in contact,
but what would you like to leavethe listeners with today?
I just want them to do somethingwith their dogs.
Spend 5 minutes, use your dog's meal, teach them to spin, teach
them to shake a paw, do something fun that's different
for your dog. As we've talked about in this
podcast, I have Popper. It's a free to download app,
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PUPPRIOS and Android. And then I do also have a book
that I published a few years agocalled Super Dog Tricks.
So if you don't like apps, you can go anywhere books are sold
and pick that up. Too, Sarah, thank you so much
for being here with us today. I really appreciate taking the
time out of your busy schedule to visit with me, of course.
Thank you so much. All right guys, I hope you
enjoyed this episode of StraightUp Dog Talk.
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You can reach out to Sarah on Instagram at the Super Collies
Mom or the Super Collies and if you are interested, like she
said, check out Popper and her book and we will see you guys
next week on Straight Up Dog Talk.
Welcome to Straight Up Dog Talk.I'm Em and we are back again
this week with another amazing guest.
This week we have Sarah, who is the mom of the Super collies.
How are you doing today, Sarah? I'm doing good, thanks for
having me on. Thank you so much for being
here. It was so cool to get to meet
you at Expo and watch you and Joker perform for everybody.
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He is such a fun guy and such a bouncy guy.
I was very impressed by his jumprope skills as well as his
ability to jump a very high overthat pole that you had set up
for him. I always tell people to be
careful what they name their dogs because he truly is a
joker. I think everybody that had the
chance to meet him at Global also would agree with that he.
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Definitely has a lot of spunk, but I like a dog with a lot of
character and I love a dog that presents a little bit of a
challenge because that gives us room for learning.
You've told a story at Expo about your dog prior to Joker
and him being your heart dog andhow you were unable to attend
the Expo the previous year because of that.
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Would you mind sharing that withthe listeners of?
Course, Yeah. So I placed fifth on America's
Got Talent with a dog named Hero.
He got diagnosed with a disease called valley fever when he was
about 7 years old. And so it didn't come to a
surprise, but it definitely happened kind of unexpectedly
where he just stopped eating andhe went incredibly downhill at
around 14. And it just so happened to be
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literally four days before I wassupposed to leave for Global.
So I obviously made the very easy decision to not attend
Global because I know that everysingle person that would have
seen me there would have startedtalking to me or asking me like,
Oh my gosh, how are you doing? And I couldn't handle that at
that time. I wasn't able to attend then,
but this year was my very first Global and I've already
purchased my condo for next year.
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So I'm very excited to go back. Yes, I am also already trying to
make plans for next. It was such a fun event.
It was my first year as well, just getting to meet everybody
in person, first of all, but allthe new people too and learning
about all the brands and everything that are out there.
It was just a really neat experience.
And as somebody who is right nowa much smaller account, it was
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really cool to feel like I was on the same playing ground as
some of you bigger Instagram accounts because you're people
and I get to talk to you in person and talk to you about
your hobbies and learn a little bit about you.
And that was really, really coolbecause it makes the social
media world theme that is so present feel a little more like
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we're human. Yeah, 100%.
There was so many brands that I got to meet in person there for
the first time in years and it was definitely a really nice
experience I enjoyed. It What was your favorite part
about? Expo.
Oh my gosh, Honestly, it was just connecting with other
account people and other accounts that I followed for
years and years and years. People were traveling and flying
in from every part of the UnitedStates and Canada.
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So I would say that was definitely my favorite part.
Yes, the networking and all of that with brands is great.
But being able to actually connect with people in person,
as you said, it's a totally different thing knowing people
online and seeing them in person.
It really is. Well, why don't you tell
everybody a little bit about yourself, how you got started in
what you're doing, and a little bit more about your dogs?
Yeah, I started training dogs and I was about 11 years old.
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I opened my own dog training facility at about 15 and I ran
that for five years teaching everything from puppy classes,
agility, tricks, we've did some fly ball and disc.
Eventually I got a lot of hands on experience really, really
early on. It's been 15 years since I've
started doing that and I've basically grown from doing all
of the dog sports to teaching all of the pet parents around
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the world how to do this kind ofstuff.
So if you asked me even 10 yearsago, I would have told you that
this was just a wild dream and being able to reach so many
people was not an accessible thing that would happen.
But social media truly has just made it so much easier for
people to connect and grow and share their knowledge and share
their experiences with people that couldn't have happened
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before. I started watching videos on
YouTube and that's how I basically became the trainer
that I am today. I do tell everybody hands on
experience is the way to go. So if you ever want to become a
dog trainer or just sharpen yourskills in general, just talk to
your neighbor, talk to your friend, work with their dog.
Different dogs are are different.
Everybody is different. I initially got into dog
training because I fell in love with agility, oddly enough.
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I thought it was just so much fun and so cool.
I wasn't really into human sports, not my thing.
So I took my family dog and and started to do that, which grew
into the canine freestyle. That's what I would say I'm most
known for. I was on America's Got Talent in
2017 with Hero Loki and Marvel. That kind of blew up doggy
dancing in the United States before it really wasn't a big
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thing. It's really, really big.
In Europe. There's Gruffs, which is the
largest dog show in the world. I liked it.
I thought it was fun and I likedputting tricks to music and
creating stories and being able to connect with people through
those stories. So that's kind of the gist of
like how I got started and kind of where my path led me.
Today I have three border collies and a golden retriever
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that has an identity crisis, butI have four dogs.
I love border Collies. So I've had several over the
years and I'm really big about every single dog is different.
They have their own quirks, their own personalities, all
that stuff. So I've been able to take
puppies, train them a year or two and realize that they really
don't like this. They don't like the lifestyle of
traveling. They don't like performing in
front of crowds and thousands ofpeople.
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It's a scary experience for somedogs.
I've, I've owned several, several border collies in my 15
years of doing this. The ones I have now are Hawkeye,
who is my oldest. He's 6:00.
And then I have Joker, who many of you met at Global.
He's going to be 3. I have Comic who is is a Co
owned dog so he actually leaves at the end of this year and he's
two who will also be 3 this year.
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And then I have Archer who is mygolden retriever redhead
stepchild. He's amazing.
He loves to work and loves to dostuff.
He has all the energy of a border collie and no brains to
match it, so there's that for him.
What's his level of grace like? Oh boy, he's almost broken my
nose a couple times. So I mean, he's very forgiving
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and he's a really he, he's not an easy dog to train because of
how, how dumb he can be, but he enjoys everything.
Anything you introduce him to, he's going to put 110% effort
into to try and do his best, which is his best.
So we won't discount that. So yeah, that's, those are the,
the dogs I have. And then I have a 2 cats, 1 is
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on his wheel. So hopefully you can't hear
that. One is a, a bangle mix and then
the other is just a fat Garfieldcat.
And they do commercials and all that fun stuff.
So all the animals definitely keep you busy.
Yeah, sounds like it. That's quite a handful.
I love that you've figured out what you liked and you you ran
with it. 15 is really young to say I'm gonna I'm gonna make a
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career out of this and then juststick with it.
So that's awesome. Yeah, it definitely wasn't easy.
And my dad said that if I wantedto be a dog trainer that I had
to go to college. So I did get a degree in graphic
design, which I almost dropped out so many times.
I was like, I hate this. I can draw a stick figure, like
that's about it. But I use it in my everyday
life. I create banners and stuff and I
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do my own website design, so it's definitely helpful.
But no, it was, it was kind of hard growing up because like you
said, if Dean is really early and all of my peers were out
partying and doing regular teenage stuff and I was growing
a business and training my dog and focusing on myself.
And those people typically made fun of me.
And I did not have a lot of friends growing up, which makes
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sense. I think that that's OK, right?
Because you did, you focused on you and you got where you needed
to be. And look at you now dancing on
stages with dogs and it is cool.It's so cool.
That's a goal of mine. I would love to have a dog that
would dance with me. I have Fitz who he can do a lot
of tricks, but man, we struggle with a few things.
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He's he's a smart, smart, smart dog and he figures things out
really quickly. But he's just also kind of
stubborn in his own way. And he is stuck on The Walking
backwards. That's the one that we've been
stuck on for like a year. I have tried literally
everything to do the he walks backwards.
Well, I walk forwards thing and it's like he has no rear end
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awareness and we have worked on it so much.
I'm just like, dude, OK, all right, I have the same way.
Every dog is different. They have their own unique
personality and quirks. And if you can't figure it out,
we might just have to let it go because that might just be the
thing that he doesn't get. Another really cool thing that
you did in your dancing, which is one of my favorite tricks, is
when you hold your arms out and let him jump through hoops and
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you'd rotate from side to side and then the weaves and then out
of the legs, his paws on your feet while you're moving.
It was just really cool. How long does it take you to
choreograph and coordinate that?It really depends on the dog and
the skills that they have. When I was on America's Got
Talent in the finals, we only had four days to make a new
routine. I'm very thankful because one of
the judges brought that up during the deliberation is like,
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she had four days to do this, but the dogs were trained.
The dogs knew all of the behaviors for the most part.
I think I taught a couple new ones, but it really is just
about finding a song that reallyinspires it because once you get
your song, you can get a piece of paper and just write out the
whole thing. I think the biggest thing that
people don't understand is that the dog doesn't have this
memorized. The only person that has this in
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their head is the person. And that's the whole like
difficulty of the dance is a lotof people think, Oh my gosh, the
dog is so smart. No, my dog's just following each
task when it's being asked to do.
And honestly, the skill is in the person because it is very
difficult to put that together and memorize it and then
actually perform it with an animal.
The amount coordination too, right, because you have to not
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trip over the dog while the dog is doing whatever it is they're
doing and not end up on your face in front of everybody.
So it really is quite a lot of skills all combined in one.
It just is really, really, really admirable.
So you train dogs in agility, Other sports tricks tell
everybody all you train. Yeah, I mean, I literally do it
all. Fly ball, disc agility, dock
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diving. We've done nose work, we've done
bite work. We've really, truly done it all.
And that's mostly because I try and find the thing that each dog
really likes. Because as I've mentioned, I've
had dogs in the past. I need this dog to do this
specific skill and it doesn't want to.
I'm not going to force it to do that.
I'm going to find it a home where it can thrive and do what
it desires. And then I can find another dog
that actually wants to do that. Thing and that's so kind and so
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considerate because I think thatthat's the biggest problem with
social media and people using their dogs as their social media
platform is a lot of times dogs get put into these situations
where we can clearly see that they're uncomfortable or they're
not enjoying what is happening. And the body language is there.
It's very visible and everyone on the Internet is going my
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gosh, that's so cute. And all of us trainers are
going, my gosh, it is not, it isnot.
It happens more often than not. I do train service dogs as well
and that's one of the highest flush rate in a dog job.
Not every dog should be a service dog and honestly they
probably can't be. I really try and push for all of
that as well and just advocate that every single dog is
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different. Every single dog has a different
skill that they're good at or things that they don't like.
And that doesn't mean if your dog is reactive to cats or
something, it can't be a servicedog.
We're talking really comfortability in different
environments and sounds and working non-stop and being able
to put your needs before theirs.So it's, it's tough, but I, I
think that with the amount of education that's coming out
recently, I think that it truly is, it's getting better.
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I. Really hope so.
I have mentored under Jamie Simpson for a little while,
learning how to train service dogs as well.
My dog Fitz was supposed to be aservice dog.
He very clearly washed because he is people selective.
He's dog selective. He was great at doing the tasks
at home, great at doing exactly everything he needed to do.
But the second we got out in public and there was a potential
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trigger or something he thought was a threat approaching, he's a
border collie. He's going to Alert me.
He's going to start nudging me. He's going to start saying this
is what we need to do when I'm saying no, we need to do this.
And it just it was not a good mix.
But I fell in love with him and I fell in love with his
complexities. And so of course he just stayed
with me. And he's such a crazy dog.
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But that personality and that spunk is, I think that's kind
of, you know, what we should love about our dogs.
We should love how unique they are and how individual they are
because we are too, right? As people, we're unique
individuals and we have likes and dislikes and it just baffles
me sometimes that people don't apply that to their dogs as
well. Now they expect them to be
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robots and to behave at all times and never make a mistake.
And it's tough. It's tough being in our position
and seeing. That that's really tough.
What do you think that your favorite thing about performing
is? It's funny because I think it's
different than what most would say.
My favorite thing is the reaction they get from the
audience. I want to make sure that I'm
connecting with people and that people see my dogs perform and
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it brings just a little bit of joy to their day.
I said this the other day, actually.
I get very nervous before a show.
Doesn't matter if it's ten people or 10,000 people, but my
dog could go out and just sit there and people would love it.
And I really have to remind myself that these people that
are watching the show, their dogs probably can't do half the
stuff that my dogs can do. So it's going to be a good
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experience either way. But yeah, my my favorite part is
truly just the audience and and how it makes them feel.
I love that. What do you think is the hardest
trick to teach? A walking handstand by far.
I say that from experience. My very, very first dog took 3
1/2 years to learn it. The dog after that took six
months. The dog after that took one
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month and the dog after that took three days.
So as yeah, as a trainer, I feellike it's it is one of those
behaviors that is incredibly difficult and I've been able to
get it down to almost a science.So I'm pretty proud of that.
But it's still by far one of themost difficult tricks I.
Downloaded your app. We when we chatted at at Expo,
you were like, oh, here's my card and I checked out your app
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and everything. And you do you offer all kinds
of trick training and just information, little videos and
stuff that you have available for everybody.
And they can sign up for different programs, different
levels of membership. Is that a skill that you teach
on there? Yeah.
So on Papa, there's several behaviors that I've made easier
for people to teach, but Papa really it focuses on as soon as
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you bring a puppy home, we have everything you need on there for
that. Crate training, leash walking.
We're about to add some behaviormodification, which is going to
be really beneficial to the average pet owner.
Just simple stuff like reactivity.
You can do every single dog sport on there.
We have math classes, as you mentioned, a lot, a lot of trick
stuff. And then I do have to mention it
because I'm a cat person now. I, we did a April Fool's joke a
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few years ago on the app. And so for the April Fool's
lesson pack, it's cat tricks. And so it's all real, but it's
still April Fool's because it's a dog training app.
That's cute, my gosh. Well you mentioned you had a
Bengal and Bengals are very smart cats and they are
trainable and they like to do things and participate in stuff.
So does your cat do tricks and stuff too?
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Yes, he's very much a little dog, and honestly, both of them
are very doglike. But Maverick can walk into any
building and just own the room, so it's it's pretty fun for me.
That's really cool. So what inspired you to start
Popper? Popper was actually not my idea.
The developers reached out to me.
They had the entire app built and they just needed a dog
trainer. It just so happens that I was in
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the area at the time and so we met up for dinner and the rest
is kind of history. That's.
Cool. How long have you guys been
working together? So it was.
The day that my America's Got Talent audition release.
So March 2017. OK.
Yeah. So, yeah, so it's been out there
for a while. And you guys, how often do you
guys add stuff to it? We try to add stuff every other
month. The biggest thing that we've
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changed is that it's not just meand the app.
So I hire other professionals intheir specific niches and then
we typically film master classesfor that.
Very cool, very cool. I haven't checked out any of the
upper tier stuff, but I'm very excited to get that added on to
my list. I think that it's really
important as a dog parent and a dog trainer to learn from
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multiple sources. I think that if you just pick
one thing and stick with it, then you're just going to be
stuck in that system, that mud, whatever.
And you can't learn and grow your own skill set if you're not
trying to learn and grow your own skill set.
And the only way to do that is to learn from many people.
So I have had many mentors over the last two years and I just
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continue to collect them becauseI think it's so important
because everybody sees somethingthrough a different lens and
through a different angle. And clearly you've mastered The
Walking handstand. So you would be the person that
I would be like, hey, Sarah, I think we need to talk because
I'd love to figure out how to teach this to somebody, whereas
somebody else might know how to teach their dog how to jump
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through the arm hoops better than you.
It's just finding the right balance.
And I think that knowing that there are so many resources out
there is super important becauseone of the things that I tried
to do on this podcast empower Pet parents, because I think a
lot of parents are afraid to ask, right?
They're embarrassed about the situation that they have at
home. They don't know why their dog is
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doing this. They don't understand the body
language. And then when they talk to their
regular friends and family who are not dog obsessed people like
they are, they just get a lot ofnegative feedback and then they
don't know what to do. So what is your advice to those
people? I'm just going to repeat what
you said. If you ask a family member
something and they tell you one thing, get a second opinion from
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somebody that actually trains dogs.
This just happened to a friend of mine.
She just got a dog, she lives ina van travels and her dog was
having issues. I want to say it was chasing
wildlife or something like that.And so she bought a neat collar.
I have no problem you use the tools properly I don't care.
But she bought a neat collar andit was like a $20 thing off of
Amazon. And she said Oh my family member
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told me to buy this. And right away I messaged her
and I was like hey throw in the trash go buy one that's like
$300.00 and has some backing. Don't do that.
And I sent her a bunch of Leos on it because I don't personally
teach it. I don't recommend them.
I mean every dog is different. I had a dog that required a lot
of out-of-the-box training. But if that's what she wants to
do, sure. But do it right.
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And the only reason she didn't do it right was because a family
member told her otherwise. Don't get your dog advice from
people that have just raised pets and think that they know
better. And you don't have to spend the
money as you mentioned. Like go on Google, find a dog
trainer and watch some other stuff and that's the big reason
I came out with Popper. I came out with Popper.
So it was a dog trainer in your pocket.
You have no excuses. There's a question and answered.
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You have an answer within 24 hours.
You can talk to a trainer directly, any question, and it's
coming from somebody that has some backing.
And it's the same in every aspect of anything like horses,
cats, anything. If you're doing anything with an
animal, take advice from family members that even if they're
like breeding dogs in their backyard, like don't, don't do
that. Just go find someone that has a
little bit of backing, a little credibility.
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Just ask. The worst they're going to say
is like, give me 10 bucks and then I'll answer your question.
OK, fine. That's still going to be better
than what you're going. To get Yeah.
And there are so many trainers on Instagram or YouTube or
TikTok like me that will do a free consultation with you and
will sit down with you for 1/2 an hour and say, OK, I can help
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you with this. But if you're looking to do
that, you might want to try thistrainer or I know another
trainer that you could try because I think that's part of
the dog training community is knowing what our strengths and
weaknesses are. And if somebody came to me and
was like, I want to learn how todance with my dog, I'd be like,
I have the perfect person for you, but it's definitely not me.
And I think that that's something that some of the dog
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training community maybe needs to check their egos a little bit
and be OK with referring to eachother.
And you can't be a. Master of all the things, like I
know a lot and I'm, I'm willing to give advice on it, but if
somebody was like, hey, I'm going to pay you $50,000 to
train this dog to do this. And I'm like, what about if I
teach it to dance? I don't have my specialties.
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I'm good at trick training. I'm good at that stuff.
But I wouldn't take on a case and pretend like I know what I'm
doing. I would never do that.
But yeah, going back to the question though, as a pet
parent, definitely be very cautious about where you're
getting your advice from, because puppies are sponges.
And if you started on the wrong track because you took
somebody's advice that was free,you're going to have to spend a
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lot of money in the future because now you're going to fix
those problems, and it's not as easy as just implementing them
in the first place. Yeah, you're absolutely right.
And going backwards to go forwards is often very
frustrating and a lot of people don't understand that.
It's definitely a try to do it right the first time situation
and unfortunately most people learn it the wrong way before
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they learn it the right way. If somebody wanted to get
started in the sports dog world or the dog dancing world, is
there a breed of dog that you would recommend?
Is there a place that you would recommend that they get started?
Obviously we both agree that youhave to have the right dog for
it, but how do you identify? That it's the right dog.
I'll give you 2 answers. The first answer, any rescue dog
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would probably be fine. The big thing is putting that
rescue dog through the paces to make sure that it is a good fit.
I've adopted dogs for clients totrain and sell and I've adopted
several rescue dogs for that job.
But I make sure that the dog haspassed XY and Z1 of those
examples being like, I make surethe dog has been at Lowe's and
I've seen the dog ride in a car,get out of the car, go into the
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store, say hi to a person, say hi to a dog, take food, play
with a toy. How do they react to loud
noises? All of those things.
And that will tell you if the dog would be a successful sports
dog or service dog, just workingdog in general.
The other side of the coin is breeders go to a really
reputable breeder. That doesn't need to mean that
it's AKC and purebred. You could go to a sports
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breeder. That's like what whip it border
collie mixes and stuff that are bred for this.
But definitely don't just get a dog based off of what they look
like or their name or their breed.
I don't like Huskies. I could go test a Husky and be
like that's going to be an amazing sport dog.
It just you just need to look atthe dog as an individual and see
what their, like you said, theirtheir strengths and their
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weaknesses are and all of the above.
That's kind of what I tell people is you really want to
think about it because you don'twant to bring home this dog and
then have this dog go through this whole, well, now I have to
find a new home and I've only been here for a week.
You really want to make sure it's the right dog for the job.
We. Completely agree with that.
Let's say we've gone through thepaces, we've found a trainer
that's helping us and now we're actually progressing into the
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sport world, the working world, and we don't know which sport.
How do you put them through the paces to pick the sport and
understand that the dog actuallylikes and wants to participate?
There's a lot of sports and clubs that offer try it
sessions. I've seen it in barn hunt, I've
seen it in disc because there's disc leagues everywhere.
Dock diving typically has try it's, but that is also kind of
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why we developed Popper was thatway people could kind of
understand their dog and then look at each sport as an
individual and see, Oh my dog likes water.
Oh, my dog likes to play fetch. Oh, my dog likes to touch like
very easily be able to identify what sport their dog would
probably like. And then again, just finding a
club locally that has try it's or even just contacting a club
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being like, Hey, I just got thisdog or I've had this dog for a
while and I want to get into sports again.
That goes back to don't be afraid to ask questions. 100%
Here's a tricky one for you. I live in Iowa and we don't have
local clubs. What do you recommend for
somebody like me who doesn't have a dog that would
participate in this kind of stuff?
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But if I. Did.
What would you recommend? I lived in Canada for 20 years
and I lived in the deep N where there was nothing and I was
young so I couldn't drive. I knew that I wanted to do
agility. I knew that I wanted to get into
the dog stuff, and I found clubsthat were doing triads and fun
runs and stuff that were four hours away.
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And I hitched rides with people.I remember I hitched a ride with
a police officer once to go to adog event.
They just dropped me off and then I found a ride home.
Maybe it was safer back then. I don't know.
Probably not, but it really is like, yes, that is an extreme
case of like, I knew what I wanted to do and I wanted to do
agility. But it's a matter of finding
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community because if you want todo it, there's most likely
somebody that's around you within an hour or so that also
wants to do it. And once you find that person,
thank you Internet, you can carpool and find ways to get to
these places. There's also the option of
finding a group of people locally to you to pitch in and
get someone to come to your areato teach a workshop to work
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one-on-one. There's definitely a lot of
options. None of them are easy.
I'll be honest, none of them areeasy.
Kind of grew to the point where I have agility.
Like I have a full agility course in my front yard.
I have a dock diving pool in my front yard.
I have everything I need here, which is also an option if you
are extreme, but the small answer is just to find a group
local to you, find a person local to you, and just kind of
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piggyback off of each other. And I think that's an excellent
answer. I'm guessing Facebook or
Instagram, just posting things like that to your stories or
your feed and asking questions and seeing where you can find
people who have something in common with you.
Because I'm sure that there are groups that are all over the
place that would say, Oh yeah, no, I follow this group, but I
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actually live here and I'm only an hour away from you.
They should be up and drive together.
I would say that it's really, really common, though, to be in
that space of there's nothing around me.
You have to drive. It's a long going joke for a for
dog people. I think it's like got to get up
at the crack of dawn to drive 7 hours so my dog can find a rat
for two minutes and then I drivehome.
Dog sports are not for the faintof heart.
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But it makes you not a morning person, but it makes you like
able to do do that stuff and getout of like a comfort zone.
Yeah. And I definitely think that
getting out of the comfort zone thing is important.
And I think it also makes you like a master Packer, right?
Because you have to take the kennels and all of your
equipment and all of your leashes and harnesses and
everything. Because there's a lot involved
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with some of the dog sports. And some dogs have to have the
blinds and some dogs have separate kennels or mats or
special areas or tents. Or every time I talk to somebody
about sports, I'm like, geez Louise, you guys spent how much
money on doing that? And you just said you have a
dock thing in your front yard. What?
Yeah, That's that's pretty awesome.
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Though I bought an RV for my dogs because it was just easier
to travel that way. And once you get so many dogs,
yeah, once you get so many dogs,you can't stay at hotels.
So it's way easier to just get an RV.
But no, there's a lot involved. And I always tell people I'm a
master at car Tetris. I can pack a car.
Yeah, you would have to be able to.
I mean, with that many dogs, do the cats travel with you too?
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They both traveled in the RV several times, and then they had
a commercial in Florida, so we had to drive.
I learned that they don't like being in crates.
I'm all about safety, but these cats, I can't listen to them cry
for 10 hours driving to Florida.So I bought them a basket that
goes in the front seat and they just sleep in it.
They stay in it. They're quiet.
But yeah, it's cats are a whole other thing.
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They are a whole other thing. I I agree with you though.
I had a cat when I was in my early 20s and I actually moved
to Florida for a few years and Idrove down there and he would
just sit in like the window of the dashboard and just watch out
the window and that's fine. But if he was in his crate, he
howled and yelled and he peed everywhere and it was a
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nightmare. Thank God mine don't do that.
They just scream. They scream bloody murder for
hours and hours and hours and never stop.
Yeah, no. The screaming is bad enough, but
when you add pee to it when you're in a vehicle, it's just
not not fun. No, my gosh.
Even though this is a dog podcast, I have to know, what's
your favorite trick to teach a cat?
I think jumping arms is really fun because they kind of use
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your leg to get up. So I don't know, I think jumping
arm is fun. They can do all the same tricks
like goose can do foot stall, back stall.
I call it perch because it's like a parrot overarm, souped
arms, shake, paw, sit pretty. I mean, they, they do all of the
things, the dogs. Do what do you think is the main
difference between teaching a dog versus a cat?
My gosh, a dog wants to do it and a cat does not Easy, hands
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down. That's the difference.
The Bengal obviously if he wantsto work and I just just posted a
video of him on set walking intoset doing a sit like super easy.
But my orange cat who was just adomestic regular cat, he could
be hungry and starving. He wouldn't do anything that I
asked him to do. That's orange cats, though.
Orange cats have like a very special type of personality.
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Yeah, they do kind of weird. They're just kind of weird.
Yeah, I would agree. Which of out of all of your dogs
do you think has been the most difficult tool?
So Marvel for sure. Hands down.
I adopted her off Craigslist. She was with a amazing family
that I'm still in contact with today and she was about, I'm
gonna say seven months old. I tested her with Hero at a dog
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park. She was fine, no problems.
The second I brought her home, she attacked Hero the 2nd and I
knew about her issues and I was like, oh, like it's fine, I can
handle that. No, no, I could not.
So she was, she was a lot. We did a lot of out-of-the-box
training stuff that I wasn't comfortable with.
I learned from a lot of people. And at the end of the day, the
biggest thing that helped her was a muzzle.
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She learned to growl and communicate instead of just
attack. She's had lots of dog friends,
very, very cautiously, lots of dog friends.
And the rule for her was if she played with a dog while she was
wearing the muzzle, they typically could be fine
together, but obviously no toys or resources.
She would resource guard water from dogs.
It's like she was bad. She did America's Got Talent,
she's done theaters, halftime shows, a whole bunch of fun
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stuff. And she was amazing performing
dog, amazing. If she was working, she was
fine. And then when I left California
with her, I learned how to play frisbee and do disc freestyle
with the dogs. And she actually placed eighth
at a world championship, which was our first time ever doing a
world championship. So it was really fun for people
to be like, who's that? But she an incredible, just
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incredible dog. And she's retired now.
She lives with my dad in Canada.And she is very fat and very
round. They hike together every day and
they're doing great. And she's muzzled if she goes to
the vet, she's muzzled if she's on a hike.
He follows directions very, verywell so she can live a nice and
safe life. That's wonderful.
I love that. She just turned 10.
She yeah, she retired two years ago.
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She deserves to have that nice retired life, for sure.
Yeah, for sure. And I love that your dad can
provide that for her. What a wonderful way to be able
to not only still visit her, butcheck in daily.
Because it's family, right? Yeah, he was just here with her,
so I was able to see her and shewas very excited and very round.
But, but no, he follows. I'm just happy that he follows
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the directions because she's a very special dog.
If he didn't take her, she probably would have been
behaviorally euthanized because there was no other place for
her. I have kennel full of dogs here
and cats that she wanted to murder.
We really think that it was something genetically incorrect.
I'm going to say I know that it is because she was purchased off
Craigslist and they said she wasa border collie.
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And I was like, then she's missing a tail and we did adna
test and she's 5050 Aussie border collie and they never met
the parents. And there's like one of those
situations and this is going back to what we just talked
about 20 minutes ago. Be careful you get your dog, do
a little research, do a little testing, figure out and make
sure it's a good fit because shewas like that since day one
where she just did not like other animals.
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Yeah. And it's hard because people
don't know, and then they buy from somebody who's literally
just breeding dogs in kid pools in their backyard.
And it sucks that it's happeningand the whole crisis that we're
in in the rescue community because of it.
Yeah, it's just really bad. And she, she wouldn't have been
able to live anywhere else because even when she was here,
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like it was very, very, very carefully managed and she could
be in the kennel with the other dogs and like not fence fight or
anything like that. But she couldn't be let out with
anybody, especially if I what I wasn't there like no, no, no,
she stays there. So it was tough because she like
perfect house dog loves being inthe house.
She's not crated at all anymore.My dad just gives her free roam
and she's, she's doing great. And I'm, I'm very, very pleased.
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And I think that she's exactly what he needed as well.
So. It worked out.
It definitely does take a special type of person.
I had a situation with two dogs where we live the crate and
rotate life as well. And it's just, it is a lot of
work and it is very, very stressful and you do have to be
very careful. And unfortunately my situation
did not end as nicely as yours did.
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But it's just one of those things that happens sometimes
and it's hard to talk about. I was.
Prepared to make the decision ifI had to, but at the end of the
day like it worked out thankfully.
Yeah, which is wonderful becauseit's so good to hear a story
that works out because we hear so many that don't.
Traveling with animals. What's the hardest part?
The hardest part about travelingwith animals is traveling with
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animals seriously, especially ifit's more than And two, good
luck finding any place to sleep and take a shower because none
of them are going to welcome youin with open arms.
I've had good luck with some places where I say, hey, this is
who I am. These are my dogs.
They'll sleep in crates. Don't charge me an astronomical
pet fee, please. But that doesn't happen anymore.
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So the hardest part is probably finding a place to stay.
Airbnb lifesaver. That is, you're dealing with a
specific person that you can talk to and you can communicate
like, hey, these are my dogs. They do all of this.
They're very trained, they'll bein kennels having to stop
frequently. So my dogs, typically my dogs
are pretty good now, but gettinga dog used to the traveling life
and like, hey, like we typicallystop every four hours to get gas
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and like, I don't want to potty you every time.
So it might be the second gas time.
So it's really about creating that structure and creating that
schedule for each dog car. Car accidents, they happen,
deer, they happen. So I always recommend getting
some really good crates. A lot of people kind of want to
cheap out on that. I say absolutely not.
I have a friend recently, she was traveling with two dogs and
(34:14):
she got messed up. She was in a huge car pile up.
Car was totaled, dogs were fine,thankfully because they were in
crash tested crates. It really can just happen in the
blink of an eye. So I always tell everybody just
spend the money, especially if you only have one or two dogs.
Get the nice crash tested. Crates, I don't care if you Rep
a brand or not, but I I think that this is super important
(34:35):
because I agree with you the crash test it is super
important. I know 1 brand that I've heard
is really good, but what is yourrecommendation on?
Them. So if you don't mind having a
crate that's really heavy, Gunner Kennels is probably the
number one. I don't like them because
they're so heavy and I have so many dogs.
So that is a crate that I've used in the past that stays in
the car. I like to have crates that I can
(34:55):
take out of the car and bring into a hotel or do that kind of
stuff. So I use the Ruffland crates.
That's what was my friend had inher car during her car accident.
The doors shattered, but the crate itself was fine.
The dogs are fine. They actually were really nice
and I believe they donated her new crates as well, which very,
very nice at them. Yeah.
And then I use TNC kennels in myRV's because they're custom
(35:17):
sized for the vehicle. So I've used those in the
converted van and both of my RV.'S very cool.
Gunner and Ruffland are the two brands that I have heard
wonderful things about and they are both on the list to
hopefully get somebody to come on the podcast and talk about
why it's so important and why they crash test and all that
kind of stuff. Because I think that, you know,
(35:39):
of course, car safety occasionally do I put my dog in
the backseat with a harness and a seat belt thing?
Yes, I absolutely do. If we're just going to the vet
or whatever, that's fine. But if you are traveling for
several hours, there is definitely a benefit to keeping
your dog safe. Do you have fans and all that
kind of stuff that you attached everything?
I used to, but the new van that I have actually was a passenger
(36:02):
model, so it has the air vents right in the back so I don't
have to great. In the past I have had to do
that and Gunner sells attachments for fans, so it's
really easy to do that. I want to say Rufflin does or
they just make a crate that has the indentation for a fan.
But either way it is smart to have some sort of way for the
air to move. So I opted for the passenger one
because it was just easier. But I do want to go back a
(36:24):
little though. One of the things for traveling
that most people don't know thatI've lived by is if you're
traveling to a different state, don't give your dog water from
that state. So you want to bring a bunch of
gallons of water, I just filled them with my home water.
You can stop at a gas station and buy the gallons if you want,
but my biggest thing is do not give water from that state.
(36:45):
When we were in Florida, Joker didn't get Florida Water until
the last day and that's because it's different stuff in the
water. Most dogs would just get an
upset stomach and have diarrhea.If you have a lot of dogs, that
is not something you want to deal with.
No, I have had to. It's not fun.
So just spend the money, go to agas station and get water.
I think that's a really good piece of advice and something
that I had not thought of, so thank you for that.
(37:08):
That's an excellent tip. And you're right, every state
has different water quality. And we know from just the news
that there are states where theyhave really, really poor water
quality and people are sick. So if people are sick, we know
dogs are definitely going to be sick.
And I always do filtered water for my dogs anyway.
I think that taking note of thatand spending a little bit of
(37:30):
extra money just to make sure they're safe is definitely,
definitely worth it. Do you have any more tips and
tricks that you'd like to to layout?
Man, I think that I think we covered quite a bit.
You have some great questions, which is awesome.
I try really hard to think aboutwhat other people would be
asking if they were listening tous talking.
Yeah, there's so many, so many different things in the dog
(37:52):
world that we can talk about. But like you said, each of us
kind of specialize in our own thing.
And you definitely have a special, special niche that you
work in. Let's come up with one more
question. For Dog Fancy, you performed
Footloose, which you said was the song that you did for the
show with Hero, and then you didit again with Joker.
Is there a new song that we should be watching for?
(38:14):
That's a great question. I'm gonna say no because I just
feel like like everybody knows what the song is.
And like I said, my biggest thing with performing is I
really want people to connect. So if I do a show that isn't
very big, then I might do just some random song that I think is
fun. We were in New Orleans this past
Christmas and we did a show there at a brewery and I used a
whole Christmas playlist. So that one was a little unique.
(38:36):
But I typically just like to stick to Footloose.
It's just something here when I performed that for years and
years and years all across NorthAmerica.
So I I think it's just a song that people really relate to and
they like it. And it's a fun song and you guys
do some fun stuff. It was just really incredible to
meet you and watch you guys in person.
And I hope that we can do it again.
And hopefully I will be seeing you at Expo again next year and
(38:59):
maybe even before then. We'll have to keep in contact,
but what would you like to leavethe listeners with today?
I just want them to do somethingwith their dogs.
Spend 5 minutes, use your dog's meal, teach them to spin, teach
them to shake a paw, do something fun that's different
for your dog. As we've talked about in this
podcast, I have Popper. It's a free to download app,
(39:19):
PUPPRIOS and Android. And then I do also have a book
that I published a few years agocalled Super Dog Tricks.
So if you don't like apps, you can go anywhere books are sold
and pick that up. Too, Sarah, thank you so much
for being here with us today. I really appreciate taking the
time out of your busy schedule to visit with me, of course.
Thank you so much. All right guys, I hope you
enjoyed this episode of StraightUp Dog Talk.
(39:40):
You can reach out to Sarah on Instagram at the Super Collies
Mom or the Super Collies and if you are interested, like she
said, check out Popper and her book and we will see you guys
next week on Straight Up Dog Talk.
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