From Mentor to Friend — A Journey with Sailor Jerri - Straight Up Dog Talk

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(01:53):
Welcome to straight up dog talk.I'm em and we are here for our
one year anniversary show. I Can not believe that has been
a year of producing podcast episodes and all of the other
things that has happened in thislast year.
And so I have a very special guest, someone that is a very
good friend of mine who is here to celebrate one year with us.

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And not just because she is a friend, but because she is also
a mentor, a teacher and a dog trainer to me.
So welcome Jerry, Sailor Jerry the dog trainer to straight up
dog talk. Thank you for having me.
It sounds like I'm all up in your business.
You all talk all in my. Business.

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I was like. Wow, what do we do next?
Start a band. I mean, start a band.
I mean, we have two podcasts that we kind of work back and
forth on behind the scenes and we have mutual friendship with
Madison and got Tulsa Pack. We've got straight up dog
training. We've got all the things.
So it's been kind of a wild yearand I have felt so lucky to have

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gained you as a friend. And I have been so blessed to
learn so much from you this year.
And I kind of just wanted to talk about that today.
And I wanted to hear your perspective of how the last year
working with me has been and kind of just share with the
audience how crazy one simple connection can turn into this

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full blown behind the scenes operation and all the touch
points we have. Well, I'm excited to talk about
that. I am a notoriously private
person. I know that it doesn't seem like
that, but I mean it when I say that I prefer to be alone or
maybe with one other person. And I generally am always doing

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something with animals. So if that other person isn't
down, I keep to myself a lot. The reason I say that is because
there is a value in social mediathat is often overlooked because
of all the bullshit on social media and the the human
riffraffing, as they would say. But I try to not focus on that

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because it will take you under. It will take you under as a as a
viewer, as a content creator, asa business owner, as a person
that's just trying to find maybeyour people.
If we, which we tend to do, focus on the negatives, it will
appear to be this life sucking harpy from which there's no
escape. When my experience, I tell

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people all the time whatever their complaint is, just the
average person I would come across whatever their complaint
is about social media. I don't want to fucking hear it.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
You, you would crumble under oneday.
I know that there are negatives to it more than the average
person would know because I do it partially for a living.
But what I also know about it isthat the relationships that I

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have in my life with people thatI've never physically met, but
that I spend a lot of time getting to know who they are,
that cannot be understated. I don't think that it's just me.
I think it's just a representation of what can
happen. I've watched people get sober
because of their relationship with me.
I've watched people leave the house, which they've never left

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before. I have shoveled, I'd say six to
seven tons of my inappropriate, oversized ego out the door
because of social media. And I've also been able to
create a model for how to engagewith it in a healthy way for my
kids and for my family and for my friends.

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And it's not going anywhere and doing this thing where we
pretend it can't do all of thesethings for us.
And it's just evil to me is remiss.
So you are one of the examples of someone that I didn't know
from anyone. And now I have all these touch
points in multiple different places and we know a lot about
each others lives. And it doesn't really I love in

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person community. I just spent all weekend with
barrel racing people on one day and a bunch of old men that run
gun dogs the next day. And that was that was the best
day. Yes, just in the clubhouse with
the fellas and we were talking, we were talking dogs and, and it
was wonderful. But my relationships that are

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through social media, those are also wonderful and they've also
done incredible things for my life.
Let me shit, let me change gearshere first 2nd to get to what
you, what you asked me. Whenever I come across someone,
I, I, I'm starting to see what Ithink people that have long term
recovery who help others in recovery, I'm starting to see

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what they see and what it is is it's not you.
It's not like, oh, these are Jerry's great original ideas and
she's the only one that's ever thought these things and only
through her can we achieve these.
It's not that. It's something way different if
I really tell who I am, if I really say all the things with

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no guilt and no shame. It lays this foundation for
people to finally let it go, at least in your presence.
At least in my presence I'm I'm sure that my friends are always
being themselves and I can tell when they're being weird about
something. And I will have to say, you
know, that you can just say whatyou want to say to me.

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Nothing bad is going to happen. Even if I get mad, that's not
something something bad happening.
I'm not going to not be friends with you.
I've had to tell Madison that ona couple occasions.
Like Madison, you need to speak plainly to me because she will
be diplomatic and I know that underneath that she really wants
to be like that was rude or thathurt my feelings.
I'm like, you need to just say what it is.

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And I've noticed that the more that I do that, I also do it.
It has developed my friends and IA great deal and then that
becomes contagious. So, so my point and all that and
saying that is when I started working with you, I thought very
differently about you than I do now.
I would say that it took me a while to get to know you because

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I wasn't sure what you wanted. I wasn't quite sure.
And I, and you probably rememberthat I had this like moment with
you where I was like, what's thedeal?
Are you worried about what people are going to think?
And we had this long, deep conversation about it.
And after that, I never felt that from you again.
I felt like you were just like, well, I guess whatever happens,
happens. In the beginning, I, I could

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sense that you were trying to find your place and you knew
that you had one and you were come hell or high water, you
were going to find that place inthat space.
And I'm like that too. And it can be off putting to
people because it can come off as that you're wanting something
or you've got an angle when really it's just eagerness, it's

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excitement, it's passion. And so I actually learned that
from working with you. And I really hadn't learned how
to have the language to tell someone like pump your brakes or
wait, focus in on this. I didn't have the language to
say it nicely because I cared about you.
It's not that I just go around saying mean shit to people that

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I don't care about. I don't mean to make it sound
like that, but it bothered me tonot learn how to say it to you.
And so I actually, Madison and Italked about it for for months
about how do we best help Emily?How do we keep her here?
Because you're like a missile, you know what I mean?
Wherever you point it, it's going to fire and blow that
thing up. And so you have to be really

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careful with stuff like that. And I recognize that in you
because that's in me. And so it was a really cool way
to refine something in my own character.
I love that. I didn't know that, obviously.
I know I was saving that's. Amazing.
I was saving it to tell you right now.
That, but I, I am also a notoriously private person.
I spend a lot of time by myself.I don't really spend a lot of

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time with other people. I have friends that I go and do
things with, but most of the time it's just me hanging out
with the dogs and working on whatever it is that I'm working
on. And I also get very deep into
what I'm doing, just like you said.
And I at one point this year hadMadison tell me you are not
allowed to take any more classesthis year.
You are going to take a break for the rest of the year because

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you have taken as much apprenticeships and continuing
education as someone would normally take in five years.
Yeah, you took a lot more than Idid.
You got to let that stuff marinate for a while.
What I think is really cool is as you go on, you'll notice that
that will be cyclical, generally, if you're doing it

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right. And this is my firm belief that
our life should replicate the seasons and cycles that are
natural in the world. And I just.
I can't get enough. I can't get enough.
I can't get enough. I'm going to listen to every
single episode of Denise podcast, like obsessively.
We're all binge particular class, like a set of webinars or
something like over and over or I'll go to 10 different things

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and then I won't do anything forsix months because I can feel
that I've saturated what I'm really going to the process and
retain versus what was entertaining me because I like
this topic. I love the topic of animals.
It's my favorite topic and it's important for us to accept that
we will have those times and then we'll have times where we

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rest and then we will have timeswhere we apply.
You know, you let all that stuffsit in and then you start to
apply it, and then you have thatreflection period when you've
been applying it for a certain amount of time, you're able to
look back on the process in retrospect and actually have
some appropriate perspective. And when you're in some of those
earlier phases, you can't look back and see anything other than

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this far in front of your face. I've enjoyed watching you.
I always enjoy watching people start something because I know
how hard it is to keep it going and I'm always rooting for them.
I'm always hoping that someone will prove me wrong and that
someone will just blow it out ofthe water because it's so fun to
watch when that happens. It's so it's hard, like social
media is hard. And when I came into this space,

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it had been after years of a recovery of a different type,
recovering from a surgery, a massive brain surgery where it
decompressed my whole skull froma herniated brain stem.
And they don't tell you when yourecover from something like
that, it's going to be mental emotional turmoil.

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They do not prepare you for that.
They prepare you for the physical.
You're going to have to go through physical therapy.
You're going to have to learn how to walk again.
You might have to learn how to write again.
There are things that are different about me now that I
know, like my handwriting. If you look at my handwriting
from before my surgery and now it looks completely different.
You would not know that the sameperson had written those things.

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So there were definitely some things that changed in me
physically, mentally and emotionally, but it took me a
long time because I heard for somany years, you can't, you
can't, you can't, you can't. And then on top of that, don't
talk about it. Nobody wants to hear that.
Don't. Nobody wants to hear your sad
story about what you're struggling with.

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Whoever started that, I want to get in a time machine.
I want to wring their little neck.
I'll talk about it. Why don't you leave the room if
you don't want to hear me talk about it?
Yeah. Nobody actually wants to know
that you're not feeling well. And so when you're struggling
with something like that, whether it's recovering from
drugs or alcohol or a massive life changing surgery, you're
going through that trauma and it's kind of like if you don't

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speak it, it just stays in your system and you can't let it go
because you're not expressing yourself.
And I think you were one of the first people that really pushed
me to just be like, no, put it out there.
You said with this podcast and your dog training, you were
going to go out there, you're going to show people everything
that you went through. You're going to be honest about

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your disability, You're going tobe honest about your struggle
and your daily pain and all thatstuff.
And then you were going to step into the space and be like, I
have been through all of this hard stuff and here, here I am
still showing up and look at where it got me and I'm still
building. I'm still doing that.
I know it's going to take years.It takes years to do that stuff.
But I do have that attention andthat level of focus that I know

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that, OK, we'll just do it a little bit at a time.
I think the first week of our apprenticeship program, you said
in one of our videos, I don't want cookie cutter Jerry's.
And that was like the final moment for me when I was like,
this is where I'm supposed to be.
Because you and I, again, we were both vet techs.

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We've both worked with animals our entire lives.
We've both worked with horses, you to a greater extent with
horses than me. But all the things we have so
many things that are so similar.And I know that you understand
this because being a vet tech takes a certain type of
personality. Not anybody can just roll up
into the clinic and be a vet tech.

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It's just not how it works. So that was another sign for me
too, that you are the right person to start with because I
knew that you would have the kind of integrity and work ethic
that I did because of that job. And that made it easy for me to
go, OK, just slow your roll and and listen to Jerry and your

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program was hard for me. It was so hard for me because I
don't want to be in front of thecamera.
I that's why the podcast doesn'thave video because I don't want
my face to blastered all over everything.
And I have finally just gotten comfortable enough to start
releasing some long form contenton YouTube and putting my face

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on Instagram a little bit more because apparently that's what
people want. And I'm like, this is not what I
want, but I will do it for you guys because.
That's what you want. Starting with you, it all
started because of Unpacked kindof coming underneath the label
of straight up Dog Talk and Madison and I doing that and
learning about your podcast and kind of tying together that way.

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And then it was your apprenticeship program was about
to start again. Really right after that.
I signed up immediately and did the thing and that was three
months where I stressed. I was stressed.
You would be like, you have 48 hours to turn in this video and
I'd be like, no, wait what, 48 hours?
Because I don't think that I'm acreative person.

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Like I can, I can outline something and I can set it up
and whatever, but I'm not, I'm not just one of those people.
That like off the flip. Just can come up with something
and it turns out great. That's not.
That's not how. You're not an improv, are you?
No, I'm improv. It's OK.
We need both kinds. We have to have both kinds.

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Because if it's just people likeme out there, nothing is ever
going to get done. Yeah, we'll be entertained, but
there'll be no structure. So it's, it's good to have
people that are close around youthat are the opposite of what
you are. You know, it's nice when it's in
common. But that's Madison.
And I work really well together for that reason, because she's
so structured and she's so disciplined.

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I'm just disciplined in a different way.
I'm disciplined in my character character, and I'm not saying
that she's not, but because she's definitely has the best
integrity of probably anyone I've ever known.
Maybe my dad, maybe my dad when it.
Comes to that well, your dad is a totally different story.

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I mean your dad, the little bit that I know about your dad and
how many times he came and got you how many times he pulled you
out of a bad situation how many times he was there for you.
I mean that says a lot about himas a person because I know
plenty of families who just leave people to their own

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devices after a while they stopped trying to to save them.
They give up on them because they don't think things will
change. And your dad never did that,
which is so awesome and so incredible because I think that
that's what happens is a lot of people get stuck because they
don't feel like they have some somebody that has that
unconditional connection to that.
Well, we're taught in mainstreamculture not to enable addicts,

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and people don't know the difference between enabling and
still always being there for someone without enabling.
And for whatever reason, my dad was just good at it.
But he did enable me. I remember 1 specific time, I'll
never be able to get that out ofmy head that he was like, no, I
enable you. And then he got up and walked

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out and it was just, there's something really profoundly
horrific going on. And he knew that he couldn't do
anything to stop it. And the only thing he could do
was try to keep a roof over my head, at least try to keep me
off the streets. And so that's what he did.
And he knew that it was the lesser of two evils.
But I'll never forget that. I don't think I've ever told him

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that, but I'll never forget him saying that.
And I was probably really wastedat the time.
I'm surprised I even remember. But yeah, he's, he's quite the
guy. He's quite the little.
Mr. Well, his catfish, he's definitely a fisherman and you
know. He's got nothing on social.
Media in common, which I don't know if a lot of people know

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this, but we both live in the Midwest.
We live in Kansas and I live in Iowa.
We're really not that far apart.We probably should just like,
come visit You coming out with the gun dogs.
Come and stand in the wind with us is what you'll be getting.
Yesterday was in Dexter and it'sjust a very, very small town in

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southeast Kansas and little Sue ran her very first trial ever
and my boyfriend did his first English Pointer trial ever.
So he's done other trials, but he doesn't really like to trial.
He just likes to actually go andhunt.
So it's cool to see men do a lotof stuff that we don't think
that they do. And they do actually talk to

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each other and they do actually make friendships and they do get
nervous when they don't know what's going on and they do just
like us, ask questions and look awkward as fuck and then are
just weird all around. But they.
Do try, you know, And they are nice to us a lot of the times.

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I don't know, something about yesterday I was like, wow, we're
really mean to these dudes and they're just like dudes just
trying to find something to do. I can't imagine be living in a
world full of really brilliant women, well, half of them
probably toxic, and trying to navigate that.
I don't know what you've said that reminded me of that, but

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I'm gonna throw it out there to the listeners that I'm really
grateful to be a woman today, you know?
It's so funny because I think that I've learned a lot this
year about how differently men and women approach things.
Dog training will teach it to you very quickly.
Yeah, and I mean, one of the first, one of the first people
that I worked with was a couple and I remember I'm giving them

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the lessons and we're going through things and we're talking
about things. And so very straightforward.
And here's the video that I created in from Jerry's program
that teaches you how to hand feed.
And the wife is bang on, bang on, bang on, bang on.
And husband is off in La La land.
Like not doing anything that wasin the video, not connecting

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with the situation. And so me, I'm over here like
you very nicely trying to figureout how to tell him, Hey, we got
to all do it the same way we gotto get with the program.
Otherwise nobody's going to learn anything.
And then finally I tapped into apart of me that this is going to
probably surprise a lot of you. I'm not a girls girl.

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I've never been a girls girl. I've not ever really had a ton
of friends that were girls untilvery recently.
Most of my friends, most of my long time friends, my oldest
friendship, I think it's like 30years long now, is a guy.
All of my best friends are guys.Yeah.
And so I just tapped into my brospeak and I talked to this

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woman's husband. And guess what?
Every single time after that, for all of the time that we
worked together, he was bang on too.
And it was just, he was like, what did you do?
How did you do that? I need to speak to my husband
like that. They're like, well, I got to
hang out with the dudes. You.
Got to hang out with the dudes and that's just, that's how I

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was. I think my parents probably
always thought it was weird, butmy best friend Tyler, he lives
in Boston. We've been friends since we were
15 and we still, you know, we talk a couple times a month.
I go out there and visit him. He used to come over to our
house every single day. We never dated.
We never anything. And he basically lived at our
house. I'm going to tell this story

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because it's relevant and funny.He became so much a part of our
family that he would just come hang out at our house even when
no one was there. He had a key.
So one day my dad came home fromwork and he goes upstairs to get
changed and cook dinner or whatever it was that he was
going to do. And he finds Tyler asleep in
their bed, my parents bed. And he's like what are you

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doing? And he was like, well I thought
that you would kill me if you found me in Emily or Molly's
bed. So I just decided to sleep here.
And my dad said that is what thecouch is for.
Yeah, thank you. Yeah, well, I had, I had friends
like that in high school too. I had two of them that I was
really close with that were guy friends that we would didn't

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date or anything like that. We were just really close and
I'm still friends with them to this day, so I get it.
I think the the difference between men and women when
training dogs, sometimes raisingchildren is as vast and wide as
many of the other differences. But I think that men generally
represent kind of the outer world.

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It can be callous, it cannot care, it can be distracted and
looking at something else and not looking at you.
The reality in life can be really harsh.
And I think that men sometimes represent that within the family
system and women represent the inner world like your family and
your you know which you will find much more nurturing and

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loving. So I recognize that that's a
dynamic for couples to have. That being said, I have also
recognized a dynamic of women raising men.
So the man is just essentially another child for them.
He does make money, but they're both working and and a lot of
times those guys will either be completely absent.

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You just don't see him or you see him in the background
watching TV or playing video games or you hear them
commenting, making little side petty comments and.
Just described by ex-husband. Yeah, divorced me because he
didn't want to take care of me after my brain surgery, Right?
Right. So you get that's a dynamic as

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well. And those guys are generally
paired with women that are incredibly capable, and so they
just learn how to take care of yet another person.
I don't see that dynamic very often in my clientele anymore
because of the way that I curatemy message.
I think that people know that when they come to me, stuff's
going to get called out. And if they're not ready to make

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maybe hear about some of those topics, I think they shy away
from coming to me at all. And I think that if they figure
out after they hired me that I'mexactly like this all the time
and they're afraid I'm going to dig really deep.
They're just very, very short intraining.
They only send their training videos.

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They don't want to have conversation about anything
else. They just want to see if what I
said was true. They're waiting for it to not
work so they can be like, see, because they're butt hurt about
something that I said, this is just all, I'm not being shitty.
I'm just these are things. These are things that we do as
human beings. I have done that.
I'm sure you have done that at some point in your life.

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We've all done those things. So what I found over time was
the more I curated my message tobe representative of what it's
like to to sit across from me orto talk to me or to work with
me, then people would not have to guess and they would know.
And then if they were ready for that or it resonated with them,
I mean, not everybody wants to go into boot camp.

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I'm using that as a as a term for probably what it's like to
work with me. I think you have to really be
ready to inquire and examine of yourself and your life and your
choices. And I could see how that would
be maybe not what somebody's wanting to do when they train
their dog. But you're, but you're like that
with us as students too. I have been your student.

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I have been your client. I have been your friend and I
have done business with you. So I've worked with you and kind
of all of the touch points and you're very consistent and
you're very direct and you are very honest and yet positive
about it. So let's talk a little bit about
that because we worked with Fit for a whole month we.

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Worked with such a cool dog. He's such a maniac.
I don't think that people understand what a maniac he is,
but he's smart. And you saw that.
And that was, I think that was the time that I laughed the
hardest was when we had decided,OK, bits is hurting Emily down
the stairs. We can't just hurting Emily down

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the stairs because it's dangerous.
So we did all of these things and we made so much progress.
And then he would find a way to get around it and do something
that was leading him back to hurting me down the stairs.
And so at this point, we have decided, OK, we're going to pick
up as many of the toys that are reachable that are not like way
out in the yard. And we're going to put them up

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out of his way so he can't get them.
And this is going to help us reset and things are going to go
back to he's doing the things that he's supposed to be doing
and catching the food and going down the stairs without pushing
me with his nose. And that very next day, I sent
you a video and Fitz had jumped up on the table where all of the

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toys were to get his ball and then proceeded to herd me down
the stairs. And you said Fitz gets a box.
Fitz gets up with a lid. And I don't think I had ever
laughed so hard because it was finally like somebody else saw
the crazy that he is. He's just, he is such a maniac.

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And he's just like. What's?
This my way. Saying now, yeah, he's got a lot
of said. That you would never.
That's why you didn't get certain types of breeds of dogs.
This was a perfect example of why you didn't get perfect
certain breeds. Yeah, I like, I like a real
mellow dog. I want a dog that's always up
for adventure, but he's laying like a vegetable over there.

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But I I like a dog that's a little more mellow in the house
or the the train ability for excitability that it's a better
way to say that is it's easier to manage his arousal in the
house. And I've had dogs that were a
little bit more excitable, but personally, none ever like Fitz.
I've trained a lot of dogs like Fitz, but I've never personally

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had one like him. I think that I have this like,
like on and off, like light thatI turn on occasionally and I'm
like, send me the hardest dog you can possibly send me and I
will work with it because I, I get these really special dogs.
You know, I had Fiona, who was damaged because of Izzy, who had

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to be behaviorally euthanized because she almost killed Fiona
more than one time. And I was doing years ago what
people are now learning that they have to do is the crate and
rotate and the management systems because I had a dog that
was literally eyes going completely black and attacking
the other dog for no reason at all.
And eventually Izzy did have to be put down.

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And that was a really terrible situation.
Yeah. Fiona ended up having to be put
down because she attacked another dog because after that
had happened to her, it was actually my parent dogs, which
I've kind of touched on this a little bit in the podcast
before. When I moved back to Iowa, I
brought Cajun and Fiona with me and I needed to live with them
for like a month before the house that I had rented was

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ready. And I said to my mom, you cannot
let your little dogs, your little 20 LB dogs outside with
my 120 LB reactive dog who was terrified of other dogs barking
and lunging at her because something bad will happen.
It was fine for the first week. It was fine for the second week.
And on the third week, mom said it'll be fine.
And two dogs died the next day. Oh.

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My God. It was one of the most awful
experiences in my entire life. It was really awful.
Yeah, It I think that there's anextra wound there when when you
know for a fact that those things were preventable, makes
it a lot harder to digest that that happened.

(31:04):
There's a lot of I told you, whydid you do that?
But then also recognizing that our parents grew up in a very
different time and dogs were different.
There were not that many of them.
There certainly weren't people getting pit bulls and putting
them in their houses. It was just different.
And they had less rules, I think, in structure and

(31:27):
management. But they also let dogs be dogs a
little bit more in some ways. Yeah, it's just tragic.
I can't tell you how many times I've heard that, but somebody
said don't do the thing and thenthey're like, oh it's fine.
And then dog or multiple dogs lose their life.
Yeah, well when 120 LB dog goes up against a 20 LB dachshund,

(31:49):
the result? Unfortunately, 2 deaths because.
You. Have to put one down and then
the other one basically just he didn't make it because of it.
So I was that was pretty awful and definitely one of those
moments in my life where I was being told you can't, you can't,
you can't, you can't. I had just gone through moving
back to from Texas to Iowa. I had been told you can't be a

(32:11):
vet tech. You're never going to work with
animals again. Now you're going through this
divorce, you're starting your whole life over.
You're 32 years old and now thisdog that you haven't been able
to see for six months because I came to Iowa for a second
opinion on some of my medical stuff and to stay with my family
for a couple of months. And that's when my ex-husband

(32:33):
served me divorce papers was while I was here doing that.
And so then I was stuck here until he allowed me to come back
and get my things and my dogs. So I was away from them for like
6 months and then I was finally able to go get them and bring
them back with me. And then two, 2 1/2 weeks later,
I had to put one of them down. So it was really a rough, a

(32:55):
rough thing to go through. And that's why I tell people I'm
starting later on these things, like the podcast came later, the
training has come later. All of these things have come
later. It has taken me so long to heal
from all of this trauma, trauma,trauma, trauma, trauma wave that
just. Kind of hitting every time it
was. Like I came up for air,
something else just knocked me right back under the waves

(33:16):
again. And so I think that that's where
I see a lot of your journey in me is because you you would
start to come back and then you would get pushed.
Back under and then. You'd start to come back and you
would get pushed back under. And we also seem to both have a
pretty bad, terrible past pattern of relationships.

(33:37):
I did, but I have since fixed that.
It only took me 42 years. Well, I have been single for, by
the time this episode comes out,almost three years.
And I did that for me because I wanted to build the podcast.
I wanted to build the dog training.
I wanted to focus on me and figure out what those things
were so that I stopped attracting like social media

(33:59):
stopped attracting the wrong people, right?
It's just been such a huge change in me looking at things.
And Toby was too, because Toby, he was a rescue dog.
He'd been used as a bait dog. And he was completely feral when
I got him. And mean.
He bit my mom, he bit my sister boyfriend, he hated everyone.

(34:20):
And now he's like this little lumpy potato man.
Little. Potato man.
Yeah, change. And growth do happen, but it
does take time. And I think that by sharing our
stories and telling people, hey,we went through 10 years of
bullshit and this is what's comeout of it.
And we're trying to build biggerand better and do bigger and
better and help other people so that maybe it's not ten years

(34:43):
for them. During COVID, I was in a
relationship that was abusive and we also had a hurricane in
Iowa. We had a land hurricane in Iowa.
I'm not kidding. They call it a Durant show.
It did $7 billion worth of damage and took down 78% of our
tree coverage. Oh my God.
And, and I was unable to leave the situation that I was in

(35:05):
because there was literally nowhere for me to go because
apartment buildings, homes, people were displaced as it was.
And then? Me.
Needing to get out of a bad situation, couldn't get out
because other people couldn't even get out of their
situations. There were people living in
parking lots, in tents because they had no home anymore.

(35:27):
It was insane. It was absolutely insane.
I am so grateful for the last couple of years, especially the
last year, because it has taughtme so much about what happens
when you find the upswing, when you are in the upswing, and how
good you can make your life be just by expanding your knowledge

(35:49):
and participating with new people.
And I think that it shows a lot about you and how closely you
watch and how quickly you identify things because you say
that some people can't take it, but I love it.
I love it when you're like, Nope, that's bullshit, don't do
that. Yeah, it's definitely off
putting to a lot of people, but I think part of that is people

(36:11):
are just listening to me monologue a lot once they get an
actual conversation with me or they watch me in conversation
with someone. I think that, and I hope anyway,
that they develop a more appropriate opinion of me.
Just because I cuss when I tell stories doesn't mean that I'm
flagrantly cussing to every client like I'm a normal person
just like everyone else. I have normal conversation just

(36:34):
like everyone else. And I would like to think that
I'm a pretty good communicator because I work so hard on it.
I work hard at being effective, you know, not always getting
people to think what I think or changing people's minds or
that's not really ever my goal. My goal is just to be an
effective communicator because Iknow that the ideas that I'm

(36:56):
communicating to people will help them because they've helped
other people. So I could assume that they,
just like everyone else, could benefit from this information as
long as I can say it in a way they can receive it.
And that's hard. It's hard.
I'm just today on Instagram, somebody was asking me a
question about something a dog trainer was doing that they

(37:16):
hired. And I answered in a general way.
And then I said, I am not comfortable with you coming to
me to ask me questions about another dog trainer when you're
not working with me. You can just hire me if you want
to know what I would do. Well, what would you do about
this and what would you do aboutthis?
All of the things that you just mentioned are management.
Those are not training things. Your dog's chasing your cats

(37:37):
around the house all the time. Put the fucking cats up, give
them, give them a break. Make some boundaries and some
rules about what's going on here.
Because if your dog isn't listening when you say stop,
leave the cat alone, that tells me that that's probably not
something that you've built in or worked on and now you need
somebody to come and train your dog.
That's not a dog problem. Well, what about counter

(37:58):
surfing? What would your methods be for
counter surfing? It's called extinction.
That's not a training problem. That is a you issue.
And you guys are leaving food out on the House with an
untrained dog in the house. That's common sense.
So what that tells me is when this keeps happening, that there
is no common sense in dog training.
And the reason there is no common sense in dog training is

(38:20):
because there's no common sense in households in general.
If you walk into the average American household, there will
be kids running and screaming, and my house sometimes is one of
them. They'll be things that really
there have been time to take care of, but we were doing other
things instead. They'll be ineffective
communication. They'll probably be passive

(38:42):
aggressiveness, sarcasm, other toxic behaviors going on because
people aren't really taught a lot of stuff.
We're certainly not taught how to be be effective, honest
communicators within the relational style.
We're not taught that people arethat grew up in dysfunctional
families, of course are playing an all or nothing game and

(39:04):
generally will be very codependent or very narcissistic
in their dealings with people. And so I think that's the issue
is that these dogs are living inhouses of people that are
absolutely willing to blame every single thing on the dogs
and the kids and never themselves.
And that's just human nature. It's human nature that we do

(39:24):
that. We don't like to see where we
have taken part in any of this and how it could be partially
our fault or because of us. And so we look for all these
answers. This is why people go to five,
6-7 different trainers. If somebody tells me they've
been to that many trainers, my first question to them is, what
is the disconnect for you? So six different people have

(39:46):
shared information with you. Were they all wrong?
Were some of them right? Is it possible that you're just
not doing what they I said? Is it consistency?
Tell me more about that. Because the only common
denominator here is you and thatdog.
And that dog has the brain of a 8 year old.
So we got to get real honest about who's really responsible

(40:06):
here. And it's never ever, ever the
dog. I hope everyone, if you hear
nothing else I said today, it's never the dog.
That doesn't mean that we just need to be like, it's always
your fault, Stacy. That's not what I'm saying.
I'm just saying to use the cop out.
My dog is spiteful or stubborn or I've done it and she just
won't do it. Liar, liar.

(40:31):
It's that's not what's happening, you know, And it's
the easiest once you say that and you let it go and you're
like, OK, I recognize that if this dog lived in your house,
Jerry, it would not be doing what it's doing with me.
So I accept that I don't know what the fuck I'm doing and I'm
just going to let it go. And it means nothing about my

(40:52):
character or who I am as a person.
It just means I don't know this information.
But I'm willing to learn that if, if people would adopt that
attitude, dog training would actually be relatively easy for
them. You guys were throwing food,
we're throwing food on the ground, we're throwing a piece
of food in the air, we can backpedal, we have a leash and
we have some toys. The over complication of dog

(41:15):
training is hilarious to me. I'm not talking about sport
training, so let's move that outof the conversation.
For sure or service dog. Training, yeah, if if you're
we're talking about pet companion dogs, pet companion
dogs. I heard a guy say one time he
was showing the consult process and he was talking to this
probably 5050 ish 55 year old woman about her dog.

(41:39):
And he said, well, now I've got to figure out something about
the dog being biddable. And, and I was like, first of
all, that's irrelevant to literally anything and
everything you could ever be talking about in a companion
dog. And I know that other dog
trainers are going to hear this and think that I don't know what
I'm talking about, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I've been working with dogs for 25 years.
I did not just get here the day that you saw me on social media.

(42:01):
This has been my whole life, my entire life.
I've been in vet Med, I've been in training, I've been in the
Humane Society, I've been in theshelters.
This has been my entire life just for anybody that's
listening that doesn't know thatabout me.
And when I hear dog trainers as as an industry, as a group,
overcomplicating every motherfucking thing that you can

(42:23):
about dog training, oh, let's goto the next class about this.
Let's go to the next class aboutthis.
And oh, now we're going to startthis.
And now there's this technique and now there's this technique
and now you do it this way. No, you do it this way.
Now you do use this tool. Now you use that tool.
It makes you wonder a little bit, how have we been making

(42:44):
this all happen before we all appeared here?
How have we been making it all? Happen.
We were talking. About this the other day about E
collars and gun dogs and they were all talking about their GPS
trackers because people will getlike, oh, what are all those?
Why do you have two E collars onthat dog and why do you they're
not one of them is a very sophisticated GPS tracker.
It's big, it's thick. But we were laughing because

(43:06):
they were talking about their E callers and I made some joke
about I bet my grandpa would think that's funny.
They didn't freaking E callers back then.
Yet somehow making it work. I'm not an over the top anti E
caller person. I just don't use them, but I
really don't care if other people use them.
I'm so sick of arguing about it,talking, fighting about it.

(43:26):
I think it's the dumbest, most basic conversation that's ever
happened ever. And it will have no resolution
because nobody wants to move their position because everybody
thinks that they're right. So I just don't care.
But I think about that. I think about what were they
doing before? How are they training for?
What were the choices that they were making?
My dad has been force free liberty training horses since he

(43:49):
was a little boy. And I guarantee you he's never
read a fucking scientific journal in his life.
And in the sciency, people have come in and taken this beautiful
art form, this beautiful thing that's available to every
person, regardless of how they interact with their dog.
They may need that dog, that dogmay need them.
That may be all they have. And then when we boil the

(44:12):
conversation down to what methods are you using, I
immediately know that I'm at a level of development that that
person's not. If you want to argue about the
use of pain and fear and whatever and dog training, you
are saying something obvious. And I'm not here to talk about
obvious things. Well if it's so obvious then why
are other people doing it? Why don't you worry about

(44:32):
yourself? Why don't you worry about
yourself? Because unless you have a actual
plan to eradicate E callers and aversive tools that will not
have more negative effects than having them, you're just
smearing your feelings all over the walls like shit for all of
us to smell it. And I will not, I will not

(44:53):
tolerate that in my presence. I will have productive
conversations with people that are driven behind what's best
for the community overall, all what's best for the for the the
whole rather than Kinzie that feels that she needs to make a
point about why she doesn't needto use pain and fear in thank
you, that's great. Sit down, sit down.

(45:15):
I've just had enough. I've had enough and I've been in
this years and years now and never have I ever been as
annoyed as at the balanced community ever.
I've been annoyed at some of thepractices and balance training
like the overuse of board and trains and the crank out shops
to the crank out E collar board and train places.
I've been very, very firm about that and I will continue to be.

(45:36):
But by and large, I think that the force free community is a
unfortunate stain on the dog training industry and and I find
that to be sad. I think that's sad because I
want to see more compassionate methods too.
And I can guarantee you I'm in circles where I have plenty of
opportunity to walk up and start.
You shouldn't be training your dog.

(45:56):
You shouldn't be, you shouldn't be.
Did you know? And the circles that I run in,
that is not appropriate. No, you're going to get, you're
going to get nowhere because you're going you're around a
group of really tough people that really love what they do.
And if you want to make that point, you can lead by example

(46:17):
and wait until somebody asks youquestions and opens the door.
But to come and stick your finger, whether it's online or
in person, you are showing that you are at a stage of
development that needs a bit of improving.
You're showing. I mean, it's just, it's just the
way it is. And, and well, I don't care.
I'm going to keep doing this as long as pain and fear exist

(46:39):
inside dog training. Well, I think that's stupid.
But do you? Because I know how people change
and that is not it. And so whatever, you can always
come over here in my group if you want to drop that bullshit
and you want to actually come and be effective with getting
your compassionate methods out and learning to be a proper
communicator. I encourage people to come and

(47:02):
be in our community. I don't care if they called me a
bitch. I don't care if they said
something nasty about I don't care.
I don't care. It doesn't matter.
All's forgiven. Come over here, hang out.
But there's no love loss at all between me and the force free
community. I'm I'm really disappointed
after what I saw this year. I'm sorry that I drugged the
conversation into the no. That's OK.
I think that that's it's a huge,it's a huge thing because it

(47:24):
really has been just kind of like an all out war.
But before I go into my thoughtson that whole situation, I want
to say that I think that one of the common sense problems that
we have with people in dog training is that people think
that dog training is like this magic program and we come and we
insert it and download it and upload it.

(47:45):
And now the dog is programmed and it's going to do exactly.
But we said it was going to do from this point forward because
I did this magic spell on it. And that's not what it is.
It's time, it's practice, it's energy, it's repetitive, and it
never, ever stops. It's all the time.
Because guess what? We've had beautiful summer

(48:06):
months, we've played outside andit's been wonderful.
And it started cooling down and we haven't been able to play as
much. And guess who tried to start
hurting me down the stairs againbecause he has too much energy.
So what we do? We pivot, we adjust, change
things. Yeah.
And people have to understand that that is part of the whole
thing. And when you start to bring in

(48:28):
the balance and the force free and all of that kind of stuff in
the extremes that we've faced this year in that argument, you
have to understand that this is again where we talk about the
dog in front of us, the person in front of us, the culture in
front of us. You and I both know that farm
dog life is a total totally separate culture than home pet

(48:51):
dog life, and people who have farm dogs are not opposed to
using E collars or shock collars.
Letting their dogs ride on the back of flatbed trucks.
Yeah, or letting them sleep in the barn.
They don't have a bed. They sleep in the hay that the
horses eat. It's a totally different level
of relationship with a dog and if people could just respect

(49:14):
each other's decisions in. Life.
We would be so much farther ahead in so many things, but we
get picky when it comes to things like religion, politics,
apparently dog training, the waythat people live, the the type
of lifestyle or who they choose as a partner.
Why are we so worried about whateverybody else is doing when we

(49:34):
have our own little circle of things that we need to be
focusing on? That's what I don't understand.
It's another stage of development.
I was stuck in it for a very long time and everyone watched.
I was like, cool, let's grow up publicly on Instagram first.
Let's do it in a A and then let's take this to the street.
And that's exactly what I did. It's very easy to want to make a

(49:56):
point. I saw a person the other day get
on Instagram, a dog trainer and say that they, it had been, you
know, a certain number of years they've been doing this.
And as far as the social media part, and they had had enough
and they were going to take a break.
I know who you're talking about,I saw that post too.
Yeah. And I didn't watch the whole
thing, but I got, you know, kindof the gist of it.
And I thought, yeah, I can understand how it gets

(50:19):
overwhelming and confusing. And for us as trainers, for
people, as clients, it's it's very convoluted.
So what I want to offer is the same thing I've been saying over
and over and over and over, findsomebody that you like as a
person. You know, today when that person
asked me all those questions, I felt myself getting offended.
I felt myself getting offended. OK, Where is that coming from,

(50:41):
Jerry? They're just asking how to deal
with these certain things. I think it was coming from a
place of feeling like, why wouldyou ask me how I would deal with
that? You should know me enough to
know that whatever, whatever wayI choose to deal with that is
going to be compassionate, well thought out.
It's not going to just be whatever it.
And so that was the root of it was OK.

(51:02):
If an if the average person is asking me, there must be a lot
of them that don't know then. So the the feeling I was feeling
was no, I have erred in my messaging.
There's a reason why that particular person that caused so
much controversy this year so popular because he's the most
basic bitch that ever lived. Blanket statements.
Blanket, blanket, boring, bland,blanket, blanket, boring, bland,

(51:26):
bland, vanilla, bland. And I mean bland in the sense of
vanilla. If we don't start taking a note
from that and simplifying what we're saying and talking to the
average person and really breaking it down in our content
that we're sharing, that person is going to continue to have
market share and regular folks. We'll continue to see the most

(51:49):
ridiculous, obnoxious pseudo training.
Just like with Caesar. That's what the representation
will be. And we've seen how much that has
affected our culture. How much has Caesar Milan
affected our culture? Some ways positively, right?
Because dog training became mainstream because of Caesar.
So we can say that's a positive.I think Caesar loves dogs,

(52:09):
regardless of whether I agree with what he thinks about them.
It's very obvious that he has a love and a passion to share and
teach about animals. That's a positive.
But his ideologies are very muchmore based on cult like stuff
like to me, the Caesar crew or the Scientologists of dog
training and over in the other group of the person who shall

(52:31):
not be named, the extremists in the force free world.
Those people are like purity culture to me.
It's it's like, you know, for the purposes of conversation,
it's very European. It's very listen, we have
decided that this is what's bestfor everyone.
And we will implement this rule right now and you will follow or
you will be fine, or you will bethis or you will be this.

(52:51):
And you are not welcome in our very homogeneous society.
And then trying to apply that toa place like America, which has
never been seen before in the history of of the world.
There's never been what it is now anyway.
We know that there were obviously people here 10s of
thousands of years ago, long before any Europeans or
Westerners or Africans were here.

(53:12):
I mean, what it is now and how diverse and how many people, how
many cultures it represents has never been seen before.
And somehow in dog training, theupper echelon has come down off
their cloud of academia and is pulling, pulling everything from
European standard and from scientific journal.
And that soul in that heart, in that every man's sport, every

(53:35):
woman's sport has been obliterated by.
And I'm finding it, well, whatever you think I might say
there, I'm probably thinking that.
Part of the problem, though, is that people don't have of that
connection and that relationshipwith their dogs like you and I
do, right? For a lot of America, a dog is a
box on a checklist, correct. White House.

(53:57):
Yeah. You know, like all of the things
where these are the things that we do to look the way that we
need to look in society so that we're presentable and acceptable
and people will like us. We have 2 1/2 children because
one in the oven and we got a dogand we got a fence and we got a
big house. We've got three vehicles.
We have our lake house for the weekend.

(54:19):
Honestly, that's not even a legitimate or even attainable
American dream for most people anymore nowadays.
But yet that's still the standard.
And we've lost all of the connection and feeling and love
and romance and all the good stuff because we've tried to
categorize everything and put itin its neat little boxes and

(54:41):
say, OK, I finished that checklist, now let's move on.
And then the whole bond and relationship just gets thrown in
the trash because nobody ever thinks about the secondary part
of that relationship. Now we have.
Counter surf. Well, not only not if you're
lucky counters if you're lucky, not only do we not have the
relationship, we have an epidemic in this country

(55:05):
specifically, we have an epidemic of people rescuing dogs
out of guilt and rescuing dogs out of that's the saddest story.
And then you're not prepared forwhat a normal dog, let's say
normal dog would bring to the table.
I had a lady contact me today. She's like, hey, I've got this
10 week old Pitbull puppy that'sblind.

(55:26):
And I wondered if you had any training tips.
I asked some questions there whyisn't why it OK for me to say?
Can you tell me more about why as a 25 year old young woman,
you adopted a blind dog? Can you tell me a little bit
about that decision? What's your schedule like?
What's your life like? What's your support system like?
What are your finance? I'm not saying everybody needs

(55:47):
to be rich to have a dog. I really don't think that you
do. I think if you get a dog and all
you can feed it is Ulroy and that's how much money you have.
I think that that's fine and you're doing a good job by
keeping it fed and it appreciates that.
So I don't think it's that. What are some of the underlying
issues? I can't get people to talk to me
about this because the white women get role offended.

(56:08):
My friends will talk to me aboutit, but as a larger group, I
can't really start the conversation that I want to
around what's the deal with the rescue thing?
What's the deal? And I don't, it's hard to talk
about this because then people are like, so you're saying you
shouldn't rescue dogs? Well, no, that's not what I'm
saying. I'm saying something weird's

(56:28):
going on. I feel like people use the
rescue as. A personality to.
Yeah, it's an identity. As an identity.
I mean, think about, I told you,we just said this earlier in
this episode. Toby's a rescue.
How many times do I talk about Toby being a rescue?
I don't even think I knew that he was a rescue.
I had no idea. Occasionally I'll bring it up

(56:49):
for some kind of random post or something because I believe that
the rescue that happened 11 years ago, we've been together
11 years. Yeah.
That's like this much of his story.
It's like the teeniest, tiniest portion.
Did he have to be rehabilitated?Yeah.
Will I talk about that? Yeah.
Was he used as a bait dog? And did he have a broken jaw and

(57:10):
a broken hip? When I got him and they told me
he'd probably lose all of his teeth.
Yeah. Will I talk about that, but
that's because I want to educatepeople on how you deal with the
aftermath of those situations. But I am also, you met Fitz, a
very hard headed person who is going to, as you said, put my
missile and fire in our direction.

(57:31):
That's going to go because I will take on the hard task.
I will put the work into it and I will dedicate myself to it.
I don't think a lot of people know what they're getting into
when they put themselves in those situations.
And now they have an even biggerproblem and an even bigger mess
that they don't know how to dealwith because they thought that
everything would just be fine and they did the right thing.

(57:53):
Not saying that they didn't do the right thing by adopting the
dog and rescuing the dog. I just don't think that.
Again, this is another area. Do your research, learn about
the breed. Yeah, I mean, I posted something
about this the other day and people were like, I can't
believe that you would talk about purebreds.
I can't believe that you would suggest 5 purebreds that are
good for families. There's tons of purebreds in the

(58:16):
shelter. I was like, OK, it's the it's
the hardest conversation. It's the hardest conversation
for me inside of anything that ever has to do with dogs.
This topic is the hardest for mebecause I am an adopted person
and if my mother behaved in the way that some of y'all out there
behave about your rescue. She's adopted to every single

(58:40):
motherfucker we saw. My God, the horror.
I would feel like she was using me as a prop for her
conversation. Like she was virtue signaling
off of me. I cannot imagine.
I mean, my parents are white. No, it's obvious I'm adopted,
but I cannot imagine if that wasthe central point in which my
parents viewed me from and they spoke about me in that way to

(59:02):
the world. It would be really hurtful to
me. Yeah.
And I think that that is an excellent comparison.
Let me just say also, it would also be incredibly hurtful to me
if my father went around tellingeverybody how great the breeding
stock was and how expensive my mother is.
So you people out there that aretalking about your $4000 dogs,
you're embarrassing yourself because no one really cares.

(59:24):
No one actually really cares. Maybe if you're in a sport and
you're talking about pedigree for that reason or confirmation
or something like that, it's specific.
I totally get that. But just the, the discussing how
much we paid for our dogs and how much we pay for their food
and their rescue. And it's, it's all just virtue

(59:46):
signaling. And I and it's OK because we've
all done it. I do it, you do it.
We all have virtue signaled, said things that were
inappropriate. It's talking about it so that we
can at least bring it into the conversation.
Are we doing this? Oh my God, if I am, I need to
know. I need to know.
But it's hard to be called out in some of these things.

(01:00:07):
It really is. It's hard for me.
There are things that I have to be told on a weekly basis by
some of my mentors and people that I work closely with that
that's not going to fly. Or that doesn't look good, or
that's not a good idea, or that was rude, or maybe you shouldn't
say that. And it's helped me.
So it's helped me let it roll off my back.
Like, I listen and I listen to what they're saying, but I don't

(01:00:28):
take it so personal because I recognize what happens when you
don't have people that challengeyour character around you.
And you will develop this littleecho chamber like what we see in
dog training, where everybody gets together in a little circle
and talks about the same ideas over and over.
We see it in politics, we see itin religion.

(01:00:50):
How many times do we need to seesomething failing and not being
productive before we're like, why don't we try something
different? And so that's what I'm trying to
do in the dog world is offer a completely and totally different
perspective and also a delivery method of training that hasn't
previously been offered to my knowledge anywhere.
And so we can start to see ourselves clearly and accept

(01:01:12):
that I make mistakes, I do dumb stuff.
I say dumb stuff, I make a fool out of myself, I'm awkward, I'm
all these things, but I'm also trying really hard and I'm fun
and I'm funny and I'm passionateand I and I have lots of love in
my heart and blah, blah blah blah, blah.
And when you can put all those things together instead of just

(01:01:33):
virtue signaling the things you want people to see about you,
that's when you can really builda community and make some
change. And I think that that's what
you're doing. And I'm definitely trying to
follow your exam. Yeah, I'm always texting you
that I'm a weird, awkward personand I have a question.
But you are one of the very few people in my life who will shoot

(01:01:55):
it straight. I have established a friendship
with Denise Fenzie as well. And I can also message her and
say, hey, and she'll say or she'll say no, that's, you know,
that's I love her for that. But I love her for that because,
you know, it helps me. And like you said, it helps you
develop your character, but it also helps you become a

(01:02:17):
stronger, more well thought out,more well spoken person because
you're actually thinking about what you're saying.
And I think that doesn't matter.I think sometimes we do need to
stir the pot because if we don'tstir the pot, we're not going to
make change. Like this whole rescue
conversation, I feel like we have set so many standards by

(01:02:37):
society that everybody is now confused what the actual
standards are. And again, they just try to get
into their little box or their the little line and and they
stick to that. And like you said, use this as
an identity. And then now we have mixed
messages and crossed wires and miscommunication and people are
hurt and people are not understanding and dogs are

(01:02:59):
suffering and people are suffering.
And we have this whole just tragedy of events happening.
And unless we start saying, hey,maybe we don't agree on this,
but what can we do to change this?
How can we work towards a betterunderstanding?
I think that there really are people who are in the same area
as you and I and Madison and Denise and how many other people

(01:03:21):
can we name that are in this circle of people where we're all
like, look, maybe we're not considered force free because we
won't say you can't use E callers, but maybe we're not
balanced because we don't use them.
But what are we worried about? We're worried about our heart
and mind and we're worried aboutthe dogs heart and mind and that
is what. Is important.
I mean that is the whole reason behind the open minded approach.

(01:03:45):
That's the whole reason is that the obvious thing are already
implied. We're going to do our very best.
We're going to be as compassionate as possible and
thoughtful as possible and keep our emotions in check, obvious
and implied. And then beyond that, it's
everyone is welcome. It doesn't matter what you're
doing because if you're here andyou're listening, I have a much

(01:04:07):
better chance of pulling you towards this end than I did ever
before. And you may never want to
change. It's not for me to decide.
Every person is the master of their own ship and when people
try to be little pirates and jump on other people's ships and
start, that is not the way that it works.

(01:04:27):
You jump on my ship, I'ma stab you.
I'm going to with one of those pirate sword.
We need a, we need a version of Alice that's a pirate now.
I know, maybe the horse all pretend it's a rocking boat.
There you go. We've talked about so many
things. I just was like let's talk about
this now without announcing the topic and just started yelling.

(01:04:48):
Do me a favor though, plug your business, tell everybody where
to find you, and leave everyone with a final message.
Yeah, I would love that. So you can always find me at
tulsapackathletics.com. Please follow me on YouTube
where you'll find long form content.
Follow me on Instagram where youcan probably talk to me the
most. I'm the most accessible on
Instagram and of course on Tiktok as well.

(01:05:11):
So all the platforms, forms are Sailor Jerry, the dog trainer.
My websites, Tulsa Pack, athletics.com, and there's a
little video that will direct you when you get to that website
on how some of the stuff that I have might be helpful to you.
I have trained dogs all over theworld for five years now.
I probably carry about 15 clients at a time individually,

(01:05:31):
which is only due to the delivery method that I have.
I wouldn't be able to do that, you know, if I saw dogs in
person. I haven't touched a dog to train
them in years now, and they're all miraculously getting trained
by their mom. All of them.
Some of them have moms and dads,but mostly it's Mama.
And I just teach them what I know.
And I'm a really good teacher and I can teach over a lot of

(01:05:54):
different kinds of modalities. And I work really hard on that.
So if you need help and you feellike you're in crisis or your
dog is struggling with reactivity or separation
anxiety, your basic behavioral problems, I'm the gal for you.
If you're ready to come and learn and work and if I could
leave, if I could leave everybody thinking about one
thing today, that your dog is a complex, beautiful, majestic

(01:06:19):
creature. They're not robots.
You can't download a software program and have it work like
that. But what you can download is
yourself and your consistency inyour intention.
And the best piece of advice I have is to just go outside with
your dog every day. Go spend time with your dog
outside every day and see how just that little bit changes

(01:06:39):
your life. Well, thank you so much for
being here and thank you for being so much a big part of my
support system and my trajectoryfor Oh, You're well podcast and
the training. And I can't wait to have you
come back and I will talk to yousoon.
And I will see you guys next week on Straight Up Dog Talk.
Straight up Dog Talk was createdby Emily Breslin.

(01:07:00):
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(01:07:22):
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