June 11, 2025 • 42 mins
🐾 What if your daily dog walk could help build a kinder, safer community? In this episode, Em chats with Laura—professional dog walker and creator behind Curious Snoots—about how thoughtful walking practices and mutual respect between pet guardians can transform neighborhoods.
💡 In this episode, you'll learn:
Why how we show up on walks matters
How to handle off-leash dogs and boundary-pushing situations
Tips for navigating awkward encounters with other pet parents
The power of kindness, consistency, and communication
🌎 Laura shares how her work in dog walking fosters connection, safety, and compassion in the pet space—and how you can be part of that shift too.
🎧 Tune in for an honest, heartfelt conversation about responsibility, advocacy, and building stronger communities through everyday actions.
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podcast platforms. Welcome to straight up dog talk.
I'm em and we are back again this week with another amazing
guest. This week we have Laura Garcia
from curious Snoots. We are going to talk about
walking our dogs, leash reactivity, and polite exchanges
with dogs on and off leash. How are you doing today, Laura?
I'm doing amazing. I'm so excited to be here.
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I've been looking forward for this moment for so long.
Well, I'm super excited to have you.
We've had some really great exchanges and you have some
really educational content on your Instagram.
And I think that as a professional pet sitter and dog
Walker, you deal with a lot of things that people don't realize
because people make lists. And I am now that person because
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I was the person that pets at for other people.
And I'm OK with that because I would rather know what your
preferences are and not have anyissues.
Then you leave me no instructions and then there'll
be absolute chaos. So to start off, why don't you
tell everybody a little bit about yourself, how you got
started dog walking? OK, well let's I'm going to
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start with the beginning. So it's a little fun.
In my whole life I was working in corporate marketing and
business jobs. Then I moved here to Canada to
study marketing and then I continue with climbing the
corporate ladder. But then when I was doing that
job, I was so miserable. I was sitting here in my desk
and I would see the sun come andgo and I was still just me and
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my computer. And that was really crushing my
soul. So I remember one day I was
having my 10th existential crisis of the day.
And then my husband came in and he was just like, why don't you?
Because I always said if I couldchoose, I would work with dogs.
And then he was just like, why don't you just quit and work
with dogs? And I was just like, what am I
allowed to do that? So I decided to just quit
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everything and then I started ata doggy daycare and then from
there everything kind of like just started snowballing because
I learned all about dogs and I quickly got into behavior.
And I've always been very intrigued about human behavior.
So moving to dog behavior was just like, wow, this is amazing.
So I think like from there I wasjust like obsessed.
I want to be a dog trainer. So I started courses to become a
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dog trainer. And what I could see in the
daycare environment is that there are a lot of dogs who
really hate it there. They are not daycare dogs and
they just get pushed there because people think that that's
what they need and then they're like stressed out all the time.
And I was like, I really want tocreate a service for this type
of dogs have a horrible time in a busy environment full of dogs
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and it's way too much for them. So I decided to focus on these
dogs with big feelings that really need more of this
one-on-one approach and they need help exploring the world
and just having a little body toguide them and really help them
thrive and get curious. So that's where Curious Notes
came out because to be a dog trainer, I need more one-on-one
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experience versus handling a tonof dogs, which at that point you
really just keep them alive. And for my job now I have this
experience. So honest and Curious Notes is
the perfect job for anyone who wants to become a trainer.
I always say because you really get to work with these sensitive
dogs that need you to step up your game.
A lot of my clients always say we feel bad calling you a dog
Walker because you do so much more.
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But at the same time, what I do is what other dog walkers should
be doing because they should be aware of their body language, of
the behavior, how they're feeling, and really choosing
wisely in which situations they go and which they don't.
And I feel like you have to leave the dog better at the end
of your experience with them. So that's kind of my whole
philosophy. What I'm trying to do is really
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turn this into any dog Walker can do because that's what in my
head they should do. I think that is amazing, first
of all, but second of all, yes, we need to be talking about
doggy daycare and dog parks and how that is not the solution for
every dog. This was the dog that made me
really learn that. But he was also the first dog
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that I had that didn't have his own backyard.
I was living in an apartment when I got him and he was a
puppy. And I probably had higher energy
dogs before. I just didn't realize it,
especially when I lived in Texas, because my dog Fiona
would in my pool just laps and laps and laps and laps.
So she probably definitely was ahigh energy dog, but she had an
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outlet for it. She would too.
Yeah, she swam. So I guess I never really had a
dog show me that there needs needed to be met in a different
way until Fitz, who doesn't really like other dogs, isn't
really comfortable around other strange people, and definitely
doesn't like loud noises or unexpected incidents happening.
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Right. I think we all either have that
experience or we're just completely not aware that those
experiences exist. And.
So. We are, yeah.
And like, that's what I, I get like, and a lot of my clients,
they used to be daycare dogs or dog park dogs and and then like,
they slowly realized that that wasn't the best solution to what
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their dog really needed. But I think at the same time,
there's not enough, just like you said, like there's not
enough discussion about it. I feel like sometimes the
discussions, they're too discussiony.
And then you find like all theselike, you know, people attacking
you because you dare to take your dog to the dog park.
And honestly, that that's one thing that I love about like
finding people like you, becauseyou're really bringing kind of
like this environment of like, let's just talk, you know, like,
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let's just talk dogs and like, put it out there and like not
shaming anyone. Everyone's different.
And like, I think acknowledging that and not making people feel
ashamed of their choices is really where all the growth
really starts coming up. That's a big thing.
That's for me. I, I stay away from any type of
judgement and I feel like sometimes my clients come in and
from the meet and greet, they, they say things and they don't
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know if I'm going to react because there's a lot of people
around here that they immediately going to shame.
I know the fact that you're coming to me means that you care
about your dog. You want to give them the best
of what you have available. I really want to give the same
service that I do everyone because then we both learn
together. And then I have these people who
maybe they have a fame in their neighborhood and they felt bad
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because other people were shaming them for their choices.
But then when they see me with their dogs and how happy they
are, then they get into this training.
I remember one time for one of my clients, I taught them how to
catch. And then they would message me
on the weekend like, Oh my God, I made him catch five times out
of 10. It's so nice to get people into
getting to know their dog and have fun with their dogs, which
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at the end of the day, that's mygoal in the world, just to teach
people how fun dogs are and how much fun you can have together.
So yeah. And we definitely need to start
talking more about every dog is unique and every dog needs
different things. And sometimes you may have an
expectation of what a dog wants or needs, but then you really
have to stop and look at your dog and listen to whatever
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they're saying. Yeah, and honestly, you just
said a lot. There's a lot to impact because
every dog is unique and individual and we need to let
them have their own emotions andthoughts and feelings and we
need to look at our dogs as unique individuals and not try
to transfer our own. This is what I'm supposed to do
on to the dog because it might not actually be what the dog
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needs and it might not actually even be helpful.
And I think a lot of people don't know how to play with
their dogs. They don't understand play with
their dogs. And then they say my dog doesn't
like toys or oh, my dog doesn't like this or oh, my dog isn't
food motivated or this or this or this.
And there's all of these reasonsthat it could potentially be
that way because you can build food drive and a dog.
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You can build toy drive and a dog, you can learn to play with
your dog, but you have to be willing to experiment and try
different things because if you're not willing to play
around with it, you're never really going to discover who
your dog is. And I think that that is the
best part about being involved with dogs is that silliness and
that you just get to have fun and be joyful with them because
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they don't judge. So why should we?
And back to your point about people feeling shameful or
guilty, a lot of my training clients in their training videos
or in our back and forth discussions, we'll say I'm sorry
or oh, I didn't do that right. Or I did, I did this instead.
Or we modified it this way because that works better for us
and they're apologizing. And I'm like, why are you
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apologizing? Awesome.
That's amazing. I'm so glad you found something
that worked better for you. And yeah, it might have been
based on for catching this, but instead you had to do this
first, and then you had to turn them this way.
And then you had to do whatever the basic principle was for me
to motivate you and inspire you,not for me to tell you.
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It has to be set in stone this way.
That's not what I want. Yeah, exactly.
And I think at the end of the day, everyone knows their dog
better and they know themselves better.
We cannot go and tell them how to do things.
And I think I do have also a lotof empathy for people because
that was me. I had a dog.
I am originally from Mexico, andback then I had a Cocker
Hispanial Wamba. I love her and she died three
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months after I came here. But she was my childhood dog and
I can tell you I didn't know know better.
So sometimes I get like this shame.
One time I remember I woke up inthe middle of the night and I
started crying because I was just like, if she saw me the way
I'm being with these dogs and the way I was with her, like so
boring. I didn't do anything with her.
I thought that she didn't know how to do anything.
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But she was so food motivated that I was like, oh, we couldn't
have so much fun. And I could have thrown her to
do everything. But it's just like, I have to go
back and say, you know, I didn'tknow better.
So when people who are like a friend of mine just told me my
doesn't want to play and then she sent me a video and he's
like a little statue and he would just like throw the ball
and the dog was napping. So she was just like, what are
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you doing? And it's just like, well,
there's a lot of things you can do different.
But then I think like it's very easy for me to not jump into
God, these people are so stupid because that was me like, so I,
I have to like keep that in mindand just like introduce the idea
because for me it's that sometimes you have to see
someone else doing it for you tosay like, Hey, I could do this.
And I think like a lot of what I'm trying to do with curious
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nudes, it's really changing the idea of what people see as a
walk. Because to me, a super fun walk
could be just in the alley with a long line playing with a talk
toy. And I think people, they always
see miles and steps and in my head, it's really an experience
in the world. So anytime you step outside of
your building that to me it's a walk because you have a leash
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and you have so many things thatyou can do.
You can do training, you can just not doing anything and let
the dog settle or you can do some sniffy games.
For me, like walking is so, so boring.
And I think that's why a lot of people go into walks with their
brain shut off and because they're just like, Oh yeah, you
know, I'm just holding the leashto keep the dog safe.
They're doing their thing. But it's just like, no, what if
this time could be your time to connect and your time to have
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fun and your time to relax aftera stressful day because you can
just be silly with your dog. So that's my biggest goal in
life, just to do that switch, intervene that way into people's
life, and I feel like I would behappy.
No, I completely agree. First off, to the point, you
don't know until you know, right?
That is why I started this wholepodcast because I think there
are so many things from so many different perspectives that
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people just don't know. And it might be something simple
like having fun on a walk and being silly with your dog and
connecting. Or it might be something more
serious, like if your dog is going to doggy daycare and
absolutely hates it and that's why they're having diarrhea and
vomiting every single night and crouching and crying in the
corner. There's a wide variety of things
that we can cover here. And that's that's why it's here
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so that people can learn and discover that stuff.
But also yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, walk is an experience.
It's not about how many steps you take.
It's not about how far you go. Who cares if you get to the stop
sign and back? Who cares if you only get to the
neighbors house and back? If your dog said OK, I sniffed
all these things and now we're turning around and going home
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and that's what they want to do,then that's fine.
They got what they needed. I think that people need to
understand if you want to go fora run and you want to run a
certain distance, or you want toget a certain amount of calories
burned, or you want to walk at acertain pace, then you want to
walk in a certain area of the neighborhood, go by yourself.
Your dog does not want to do that.
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Your dog smells everything around you and hears everything
around, and their sight, their hearing and their sense of smell
is way better than ours. So they're seeing layers of
things that we are not even acknowledging.
So it's so important to let themhave the experience that they
want to have on the walk insteadof trying to control them.
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What is the whole point of taking your dog out on a walk
and just trying to get them to walk in a straight line right
beside you the whole time? In a heel for what?
Just frustrating for everyone. Yeah, it's frustrating for
everyone and it's it is boring. It is boring for you, it's
boring for them. If the whole purpose is getting
the exercise, there are so many things that you can do instead
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that are going to mentally and emotionally stimulate them as
well as physically stimulate them at the same time.
And that is where I think peopleget lost and that's where
enrichment truly comes in and that power of making sure our
dogs are emotionally and mentally balanced as well as
physically balanced. Yeah, I know.
Like totally. Yeah, so many people are just
like give the dog a lick mat andthat's that's what we need.
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That's what they need for the day.
And you guys, lick mats are not bad.
I am not dissing on the lick mathere, but the lick mat is like
scratching the circle, tiny little butt.
Yes. It's just the very basic
beginnings of what enrichment is.
And I think if people had a better understanding of that, we
would have a lot more happy dogsand way less dogs and shelters.
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Yeah, totally. And I think like, that's how
like everything started morphingbecause when I initially design
my walks, I would call them likeenrich dog walk.
And I remember in the beginning I would even bring like
cardboard for them to like destroy or like do more things.
But like the more I started learning, the more I really got
into, you know, like, like focusing more specifically on
like reactive dogs and like working on reactivity and then
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just building that engagement. I've been taking so much from
like this sports dog world. Honestly, like the moment I
found fancy dog sports, it was just like a game changer for me
because I initially I started like in dog training in a very,
very, very, very, very force free side of things.
And just like things weren't clicking for me.
And I paid so much money for that course.
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And I, I still regret it. Sometimes I wake up at night and
it's just like, Oh my goodness, it was a good beginning.
But I, I hated the fact that they were selling me a
philosophy and they were really just telling me what to believe.
And I remember one time in the Facebook group that we had
someone asked, oh, which one is the quadrant that we don't like?
And I was just like you, you would be thinking that yourself
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not be waiting for someone to tell you.
We don't like this. So I hated the fact that they
didn't let me question things and they didn't let me just ask
questions without feeling like Ineeded to walk on egg shells.
I am like in permanent hiatus from there.
And then I was lost for such a long time until I found fancy
dog sports. I remember I had one client and
it was very specific things likehigh arousal.
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And then I went into fancy and then I found an specific course
that it was like a six weeks course for this type of specific
dogs. And I was just like, yes, So
then I've been really just taking what my clients need and
find information that I need to serve them.
And I think this process of learning and applying has been
just such a game changer for me because that's I feel like how
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it has to be because I am applying to clients and I'm
always troubleshooting things and like looking for something
else. I'm picking here, I'm picking
there and I'm mixing like my ownlittle portion of what I know
based on what I find instead of them just a filter version of
dog training that that's not really what I wanted.
I'm with you on that. Because dog training is
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unregulated in the United Statesnow.
It is becoming more of a trend. People want you to have some
kind of certification. I haven't taken the big one,
which is the CPDT Dash Kai have all of my note cards.
I'm studying for it. I do think it's important to
know the quadrants and Lima and all of that stuff.
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But like you, I have taken many specific certifications outside
of that big general because as important as some people might
think that certified professional dog trainer
knowledge assessed title is, I feel like that does not always
apply to the dogs that I work with.
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That's why I have an enrichment technician certification.
That is why I have the family dog mediation certification.
That is why I went through Michael Chicaccio's aggressive
dog master course. And since this episode will be
coming out after I have announced this, that is why I'm
also now a certified professional canine nutritionist
has I find that there's so many things that contribute to our
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big feeling dogs and shockingly,diet and health is one of them.
And I think a lot of people justdon't realize that because of
Toby's pancreatitis, I went downa huge rabbit hole and then was
encouraged by two people, Tanisha from Pet Matrix and
Nelly from the Combine Dog, to just go ahead and get my
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certification because I've learned so much about it.
It was silly for me to not have it, so I feel like I'm trying to
do the same thing. I'm morphine into my own little
category of dog trainer. I might not have the big title
but I am creating a space for the right category of clients
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because. Dishing down.
Yeah. And I think that that's
important because not everybody needs basic obedience and not
everybody needs service dog training.
And while I'm working on those kinds of skills as well, because
there may be a time where we have to tune something up or
refine something for somebody, Ithink that there are other
things that play for most dogs that just need to be addressed.
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And if you could find what thosethings are and specialize in
those things, then those dogs are going to be more successful
in the family as a whole. And they might not be the
trainer you need the next time, but at least they know who to
send to you when they run into people who need you.
And I think. That's really important.
Yeah, totally. And I didn't really realize that
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I was doing that. But even with my walks, because
I focus on dogs with big feelings, people have really
connected with that term, at least in my city.
A lot of people know me because you're like, Oh yeah, reactive
dogs, like, you know, curious. It's so it's so cool.
And I really, I think that's what I was feeling besides just
all the dog training wars, my hearts.
I am very curious. That's what I named my business
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like that. It was kind of in my heart.
So sensitive dogs has always been a big thing for me.
So going through like all these steps, which I mean, like, I'm
not going to like that. It really helped me a lot
setting up at least the one termthat I did or setting up the
foundation, understanding the quadrants, understanding like
mechanics. It was great.
But then it was just like, I really don't like the community
that I found. And I feel like I don't want to
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waste my time like there. And I really want to take my own
journey and find my, my own people, if that makes sense, who
are also curious, who also want to have these conversations.
We're also open. So that's where I did and like,
like ended up leading. That's where I met you, and look
at us now. We're having these
conversations. Yeah, and on top of that, let me
just make this comment because you said the dog training wars.
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Like seriously, if dogs are unique individuals then why do
trainers need to be cookie cutter?
Cutouts. Literally.
Yeah. What is this?
Both sides of the fence are like, we're going to do it this
way and we're going to use E collars and prong collars.
And the other side of the fence is like, why am I going to use
any of that? Because it's evil and bad and
horrible and you should be shamed at well, and I'm just
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like you guys, True Balance is modifying each training plan to
the specific dog. I have a couple that I'm working
with currently that have two dogs.
And I told them from the start, we're going to start in the same
place. But I guarantee you that their
training plans are going to diverge and we're going to be
working on 2 totally separate things.
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And we have been, we've been completely working on 2 totally
different things. And they were like, wow, we
didn't really expect for it to be this different for each of
them. And I'm like, but you
understand, right? And they're like, yeah, no, we
totally get it. We see that this dog is way more
energetic and wants to be very involved and is very eager to
please and do all the tricks anddo all of the whatever.
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She's happy to throw her face ina muzzle.
She's happy to spin circles and do all of the things.
And the other dog is like, well,if I have to, I might be an
Eeyore about it. But if you're going to give me
treats, hope. It's just so fun to see those
differences. I love that they are so involved
in it and that they love seeing the difference and really
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catering to each dog as an individual because that has made
them more successful overall in their family situation and how
they operate together as a unit.And if we just tell people you
could only do it one way forever, for the rest of time,
what are we changing? Guys?
We're not changing anything. We're still having the same
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stupid discussions, we're still making people feel bad about
stuff, and we're arguing about things that don't actually
matter. Yeah, honestly, that's exactly
my feeling. That's a little bit of a promise
that I made myself when I started creating content is I
just want to show people what I do and how they we can do it
too. But everyone that I see that are
making content pointing fingers,as soon as the video starts with
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this trainer, all the trainers, it's just like, no, no, no, no.
I want to see people showing their work and I want to see
people doing what they do. And like I learned so much from
just watching them and like, even if they're balanced or like
they are like force free or they're anything in between.
I learned so much from seeing people working with dogs.
That is just like, why are you losing energy in like fighting
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each other when you could all bejust showing what you do and let
the world like connect with whatever they connect.
Because I think like in the era of the world, like we're so many
people, you are not gonna convince.
And I remember that was another thing that really stroked me
this time. What's more on like the force
free side that I remember this, this girl asked in one of like
the communities, but she was just like, what are your worst
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fears if the force free side doesn't win or something like
that? And I was just like, that is
terrifying. Like, and if you live with that,
you know, if you see everything that's happening from this, the
world is gonna end if the other side wins.
And she's just like what I remember, I left the group
immediately after that. I was just like, I cannot apply
and see everything online. And they're so confused with
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what they should do and what they shouldn't be doing.
I think all of that is really just confusing people.
So it's just like, no, no, no, no, no, we should stop.
And I, that's why I'm extra focused on sharing the good
parts of dogs and also the good parts of, of humans because just
like you mentioned, like in, in those videos of my interactions
with people outside, I always try to be aware of my
surroundings. And that's something that I also
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teach people because now I've started doing kind of like
coaching people's on their walk,people walks.
So I kind of like teach people how to do the walks the way I do
it, but not working with the human and the dogs.
So something that I always explain is your head has to be
also like steps away. There's a dog of fish over
there. Maybe let's go this way instead.
And I feel like some people, they're just in their thing that
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they don't even notice until it's too late.
And then they, they have the explosion.
They have like this horrible thing that if you're just aware
with your dog and your surroundings, you really can
avoid a lot of things or at least be very proactive about
things instead of reactive. But I also find that the same
way that we have reactive dogs, we have so many reactive humans.
And that's coming from AI want to say reactive human in
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recovery. Because I used to be very
reactive and I was just in my nervous system was very on edge
all the time. It's been like a lot of work
calming them down. And I think that's why I relate
a lot with my big feeling dogs because I have big feelings too.
So you need to acknowledge that people are have their feelings
and it's just a whole thing thatyou really need to stay aware
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and try to be one step ahead. Kind of like I always tell
people, you need to expect stupid people out there and then
just plan for it. Just incorporate that in your
plan for the walk because it's gonna happen and nothing comes
from you getting frustrated and angry.
But better to be alert of when that happens and you're like,
I'm gonna go the other way. So I had so many things.
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Well, so let's throw out a dog trainer term here.
Management. You cannot manage the situation
and appropriately prepare or avoid things unless your head is
on swivel. If you are scrolling through
TikTok or Instagram or whatever while you're walking your dog
and you're not actually paying attention to your dog, you're
missing everything. You're missing all of the body
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language. You're missing everything that's
happening around you. Your head needs to be on swivel.
You need to actively be looking or triggers that could be other
people, that could be other dogs, that could be the mail
truck, it could be a trailer, itcould be a motorcycle, it could
be a small child, it could be anything.
And you cannot effectively find a solution to the situation if
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you're not paying attention. It's just like people who sit at
the dog park and read their bookinstead of actively engaging
with their dog because they go there just like with doggy
daycare guys and dump their dog and don't pay attention to the
entire thing that's happening. And now their dog's in a fight
or now their dog's been attackedor somebody's gotten bit for a
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dog's cornered or whatever the situation happens to be.
And nobody knows what happened because nobody was paying
attention. And that's how this stuff
starts. And everybody's like, well, I
didn't, I didn't see it what happened or I don't understand
what this. Game I don't want to do.
It came out of the blue. No, actually it didn't.
There was definitely a wind up and you totally missed it.
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So there's definitely some accountability that needs to
take place. But when we take accountability,
we also have to learn how to advocate.
Which brings us back to your little video.
That was such a good example of communication.
So why don't you tell everybody about that situation and that
video? Yes, well, I was walking about
one of my big feeling dogs and Iwent on a little hike with her
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and I knew that that path that we were gonna take, there was a
high chance that we were gonna find an off leash dog.
And that day, I normally don't take this particular dog for
such a long hike because that time I was doing a longer walk
than usual. So I was like, yes, this is my
time. And I, I remember I had my
husband with me because he was recording some content.
So I felt kind of like, OK, I have a bit of backup here.
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So I felt confident of going. And then, yeah, sure enough,
there was this lady coming down the stairs with her dog off
leash, which at the at the beginning I noticed he was one
dog, but then it turns out it was 2.
They were like all twins. So I remember I just told her,
hey, do you mind putting him on a leash?
I have a reactive dog. And she was so nice about it.
That was the best part of everything because she
understood in the second. And then she was just like, Oh
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yeah, yeah. And she called her dog.
I moved to the side because I know that dogs, if it was still
a leash, he could smell my dog and wanting to come say hi.
So I just kind of like move on the side to let her do all the
leash up. And that's where I saw the
second dog. And I cannot explain to her my
plan because it was like a tightpad, but then there was a little
like I kind of like 2 paths veryclose by.
So I told her I'm gonna go this way if you can come this way.
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And she was just like, yes, got it.
And then she just came in. And I remember even when I said
thank you, she was just like, you're welcome or like of
course. And it's so nice to see people
being so nice. You can have your dog off leash,
but if you see someone else coming, just reassure them and
put them on a leash if you're incontrol.
I always say I don't have an issue with all leash dogs if
they don't come my way because alot of dogs are really good in
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control. They handle it nicely as soon as
the dog looks at me and it's just like I normally tell people
and I've had other instances where this guy was just like,
well, it's like the culture hereto have them off leash.
And I was just like, what are you talking about?
Like it's, it's not, it's not like doesn't make any sense.
This lady was so nice. And I think like, I really
wanted to share that number one,because I caught it on camera
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and I was just like, yes, I think we need to put all these
examples of people being really nice about it because I feel
like a lot of people feel offended for some reason when
you ask them to put them on a leash.
And it's just like, no, it's really not about your dog.
It's about my dog. I want to make sure I'm safe and
you're safe. So just like taking care about
everyone, it's nice to see someone reacting so positively
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about it and then just putting up an example out there.
And it was a great example too. I would have been elated to
catch something like that on camera because it was such a
perfect interaction. And you're right, I don't
understand why people get offended.
I'm telling you my dog is the problem.
Hey, I'm the problem. Please put your dog on a leash
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because my dog is going to freakthe fuck out and act like a
total asshole. And then your dog might get
upset or might be able to just walk right on by.
But the last thing I want is conflict.
So I would rather tell you, hey,can you put your leash on so
that we don't have an issue versus now we have a dogfight
and I tried to stop that from happening.
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I don't understand. It honestly surprises me how
many people still think that like off leash is a culture or
that it's acceptable when literally all over the Internet
people are saying please leash your dog, please leash your dog,
please leash your dog. It's not that difficult.
And if you have a small dog and you want to just pick your small
dog up instead of leash, it's fine.
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That's fine. Control that's fine I don't care
but but I never had any interaction because the lady was
far away and I could see the dogwas off leash far away from the
owner. So I was just like you know what
I'm just going to go the other way.
But there was this moment very nerve wracking that I could see
the lady but I couldn't see the dog.
So I was just like is the dog going to come this way or that
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way? And my dog is very reactive and
if they come to our place could be aggressive.
And I am just trying to keep everyone safe.
And here I am trying to watch out where the dog is coming from
because a lady is just like hell, you know, like let them
have their fun. And it's just like, no, don't
let them. Or let them work it out.
That is the one that makes me insane.
Let them work it out. No, that's not actually what we
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want to do here, because that ends in injury almost every
single time. Every single time.
Yeah, no. And in my case, because I'm a
Walker, it's like I don't want to return.
My dogs hurt. My biggest thing is always, even
when I'm training, my team is a boy.
We're really not here to be the wild cards here.
Avoid anything because I want the dog to come back home in one
piece. No, I completely agree with
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that. And it should be about safety
for everyone, not just you and your dog, but the other person
and their dog or dogs as well. Because if we could just respect
space a little bit. The thing that I don't
understand is it would be like if I just came running up to you
out of nowhere. No dogs involved here in the
scenario, guys. If I just went running up to
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Laura and got in her face and I had never met her before and I
threw my arms around her and I swung her around and gave her a
huge hug and she was like who the heck is this person and why
is she touching me? That is what it is like when we
are letting our dogs just off leash running up to other dogs
without proper introductions. Would you want that to happen to
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you? No, I want that.
To happen to me. What the hell?
What just happened to me? I will tell you from personal
experience, a lot of you know that I have multi colored hair
and a lot of tattoos. I have had really strange
experiences standing in line to get a ticket at the movie
theater and someone coming up and legitimately tracing my
tattoos on my back and start commenting on how they like the
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floral pattern. Where did I get it done and
isn't this lovely? And I'm just like why?
So crazy. Me right?
It's so weird. Like, what gives you the right
to do that? Yeah.
And that's why I understand whatpeople are saying.
Leash your dog and let's advocate for space and flight
manners and all the things because I don't like that.
So why should I expect my dog tolike that?
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Yeah, that's not OK. It's crazy I posted another
video of like me I was walking one of my doggies and he's super
friendly but that's the thing can be too friendly.
So I was walking and then I saw a person coming.
So I just move him on the side and just asked him to wait while
the person passed. And the person really knowledge
that because he was like, thanks.
So I was just like, hey, and here's another thing that, you
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know, we can do because I do notice when people are hesitant
to go on the same like street oranything.
And I like it doesn't take anything.
And I'm always looking for opportunities to teach my dogs
good social behavior. So for me, it's like, you know,
like calmness around humans and around dogs is always my goal.
So if like, if I can't teach himto like maybe just sit here, be
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neutral about this person comingin, it's a win win to me.
And then so many people started commenting.
It has turning to like a whole learning experience because like
a lot of people sharing their fears of dogs of how they really
appreciate doing that. And it's been like generally
positive. I think I just had like 4 people
or six people who were like, that's not necessary or you're
not responsible for other people's feelings.
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But it's just like, well, it's not really because I am
responsible if I can make some space for them and I can also
teach my dogs something good. Like to me, it's a win win.
It was so crazy how much it resonated with people.
It has like the most videos thatany of my videos has had so many
comments, so many shares and it really touched something in
society. And I think because I am in such
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a dog focused community online, for all of us, it's so normal to
just love dogs and see dogs. And then one of the comments
someone mentioned that they're Muslim and that because of their
religion they cannot touch dogs.And that just blew my mind
because coming from Mexico, we have dogs in every household to
me, so natural and I can say hello to any dog, but I don't.
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But there are so many things that we really don't know about
other people, like their culture, their beliefs, past
experiences. It's it's really just a little
kindness of moving to the side and can make a big difference to
other people. So I think like those are the
things that I'm really trying tomodel, at least with my content,
these little, tiny, tiny, tiny little moments can really make a
difference. So that's what I'm trying to at
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least focus all my content on, just reminding the world that
humans are actually good. Yes, that kindness and courtesy
are not present enough in society anymore, and it might
not be our jobs to think about other people and other dogs, but
wouldn't it be so much better space and community if we were
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being thoughtful, being kind, being worried about other people
and how the scenario is going toplay out?
Like that is what actually matters in this whole situation.
We're trying to prevent bad situations and also the two
friendly thing. My dog is friendly.
Guys, that's out. It's out, It's not in.
It's the same thing. You still should not allow your
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dog to approach another dog without permission because maybe
that dog is not friendly. Maybe that dog likes other dogs
but only in certain situations. Or maybe that dog doesn't like
other dogs at all. Or maybe your dog runs up to
somebody that doesn't have a dog, but they're Muslim and they
can't touch your dog or they're afraid of your dog because
they've been bit by a dog when they were a kid or something.
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You're right, there are so many different perspectives to every
situation and I think that having at least a little bit of
self-awareness and just thoughtfulness to push outwards
towards your surroundings is so,so much better for the
community. It's like when you go to a
campground, the rule at the campground is to leave the
campground the same as you foundit or better.
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Why can't we apply that to the dog world as well?
When we're out walking our dogs,when we're playing in our
backyards with our dogs, when we're interacting with other
people in their dogs, when we'reon a walk by ourselves and we're
passing people with a dog? We should be making the
community a better place for people to exist and not
complicating it and having arguments over things.
Just be mutually respectful. That's all it has to be.
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Yeah, literally. And that's a lot of what I also
like always strike is, you know,something that I've been doing.
I mean, I love smiling to people, but I've been noticing
now that I walk dogs all day because I also bike to all the
dogs. So I'm always kind of like on
the move. And then I was going through
these kind of like very sketchy under a bridge area.
And then I saw this guy and likemy first thought it was he's
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like very sketchy or the safety aspect that it kind of started
scaring me. But then when we walk past, like
I smile at him and he like, likehis face just changed
completely. You know, he was kind of like
this. And then he was just, he didn't
know what to do. One kind of like smile back And
you could see like the impact that a smile could have on
someone. And now I'm a huge fan of just
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going around smiling to people because a lot of people are just
kind of like, whoa, what is this?
And they kind of like they don'tknow what to do and they also
smile, but seeing that little childlike excitement of just
seeing someone else connecting with you and just giving you a
smile. So just like, it's so funny if I
advocate so much for my dogs anddogs with big feelings, I think
for me to be coherent with my message, I also have to keep
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that same idea for humans, right?
I need to read body language of the human and just observe all
the things and the impact that my presence has in other people.
And once you start seeing that, I really cannot see that.
And then you have to act. I feel like you really have to
act on it. So for this guy on the video, he
was all fancy. He was kind of very dressed up.
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And I could see him hesitating of like maybe this dog will jump
on me or getting me dirty or something.
I could see that tension in him and that's why I just moved to
the side. And turns out he was very
appreciative of that. So it's just those things.
And for me, it's always practice, right?
I designed this business for me to learn the most.
So I think like that's the same when I'm out on walks.
How can I make the most of this time with my dog, but also in my
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community? Or how can I bring some goodness
into my environment? Because I think that really
follows you and and you start attracting more of that.
So so yeah, that's that's a big thing for me.
I love that and I agree. I think that, you know,
positivity and putting good energy out there and trying to
be the change that you want to see in the world is more of what
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we need. And I think that there's going
to be a big shift coming, hopefully soon, where people are
starting to realize that good things come to those who work
hard and make space for others. And I think that you're doing
amazing things, and I love to see you put up your content and
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to show these amazing experiences.
And I think that it's really educational and really fun.
And it's just neat to see that there are good things happening
in the world sometimes. So why don't you tell everybody
about your business, where you're located, how they can get
in contact with you, and what areas you serve?
Yes. So right now I serve new ones
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Minster, it's very close to Vancouver here in Canada.
But I also now recently this year, we expanded to Poco
because I'm starting to create abit of a team.
So I found Olivia, she's an Angel.
She is also working to become a trainer.
So it was just like, this is thejob for you.
So she started doing walks. So now we serve Pork a Whitlam
here in BC. And my plan really is to expand
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more. But really, I really am trying
to look into a way to turn what I do into something I can really
share online. So that's something that I'm
working on, figuring out a plan of how I can really bring this
job. This concept of walks that I
have into the world, so anyone can have this experience.
And of course, I also want to expand more here in in the lower
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mainland. Like if you want to connect with
me, you can follow me on Instagram is where I'm the most
active. You can just look for me at
curious Notes with Double S, like sometimes people miss it
with the Curious and the Snoots.It's like I, I really hope to
reach the World at some point, but right now I am focusing on
New Westminster and, and just building my community.
Whatever I have available, I'm going to build that very nicely.
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Well, I think you're doing a great job and I really
appreciate you taking the time to come and chat with me
tonight. But before we sign off, what
would you like to leave the listeners?
With well, I think just going into the same line of what we
discussed is just reminding people that not everything but
that we see on our phone is really reflecting on the
reality, the outside. Everything online gets
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amplified. And sadly, I feel like it's very
much on the negative side. The algorithm is designed to
just attract and negativity sadly attracts a lot of
eyeballs. So I just wanna leave people
with this challenge of forgetting about what's online
and just looking at their communities and what they see
and the people that they find inthe streets.
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Because I feel like it's really our duty right now in this time
and age to to bring back the good into the world.
And I don't think that's going to happen fully online.
But we can do it little by little, just smiling to one
person on the street or just telling someone that their
earrings are nice or anywhere that we can just share joy to
people or just going for a superchill sneak walk with our dogs
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or just doing a game with them. So just any way that we can find
that joy and share that, I thinkthat's what matters the most
right now. So I invite everyone to do that.
I think that is a really important message, especially
right now. So find joy, be kind, make
space, advocate for your dog andreach out to Laura on Curious
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I'm em and we are back again this week with another amazing
guest. This week we have Laura Garcia
from curious Snoots. We are going to talk about
walking our dogs, leash reactivity, and polite exchanges
with dogs on and off leash. How are you doing today, Laura?
I'm doing amazing. I'm so excited to be here.
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I've been looking forward for this moment for so long.
Well, I'm super excited to have you.
We've had some really great exchanges and you have some
really educational content on your Instagram.
And I think that as a professional pet sitter and dog
Walker, you deal with a lot of things that people don't realize
because people make lists. And I am now that person because
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I was the person that pets at for other people.
And I'm OK with that because I would rather know what your
preferences are and not have anyissues.
Then you leave me no instructions and then there'll
be absolute chaos. So to start off, why don't you
tell everybody a little bit about yourself, how you got
started dog walking? OK, well let's I'm going to
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start with the beginning. So it's a little fun.
In my whole life I was working in corporate marketing and
business jobs. Then I moved here to Canada to
study marketing and then I continue with climbing the
corporate ladder. But then when I was doing that
job, I was so miserable. I was sitting here in my desk
and I would see the sun come andgo and I was still just me and
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my computer. And that was really crushing my
soul. So I remember one day I was
having my 10th existential crisis of the day.
And then my husband came in and he was just like, why don't you?
Because I always said if I couldchoose, I would work with dogs.
And then he was just like, why don't you just quit and work
with dogs? And I was just like, what am I
allowed to do that? So I decided to just quit
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everything and then I started ata doggy daycare and then from
there everything kind of like just started snowballing because
I learned all about dogs and I quickly got into behavior.
And I've always been very intrigued about human behavior.
So moving to dog behavior was just like, wow, this is amazing.
So I think like from there I wasjust like obsessed.
I want to be a dog trainer. So I started courses to become a
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dog trainer. And what I could see in the
daycare environment is that there are a lot of dogs who
really hate it there. They are not daycare dogs and
they just get pushed there because people think that that's
what they need and then they're like stressed out all the time.
And I was like, I really want tocreate a service for this type
of dogs have a horrible time in a busy environment full of dogs
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and it's way too much for them. So I decided to focus on these
dogs with big feelings that really need more of this
one-on-one approach and they need help exploring the world
and just having a little body toguide them and really help them
thrive and get curious. So that's where Curious Notes
came out because to be a dog trainer, I need more one-on-one
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experience versus handling a tonof dogs, which at that point you
really just keep them alive. And for my job now I have this
experience. So honest and Curious Notes is
the perfect job for anyone who wants to become a trainer.
I always say because you really get to work with these sensitive
dogs that need you to step up your game.
A lot of my clients always say we feel bad calling you a dog
Walker because you do so much more.
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But at the same time, what I do is what other dog walkers should
be doing because they should be aware of their body language, of
the behavior, how they're feeling, and really choosing
wisely in which situations they go and which they don't.
And I feel like you have to leave the dog better at the end
of your experience with them. So that's kind of my whole
philosophy. What I'm trying to do is really
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turn this into any dog Walker can do because that's what in my
head they should do. I think that is amazing, first
of all, but second of all, yes, we need to be talking about
doggy daycare and dog parks and how that is not the solution for
every dog. This was the dog that made me
really learn that. But he was also the first dog
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that I had that didn't have his own backyard.
I was living in an apartment when I got him and he was a
puppy. And I probably had higher energy
dogs before. I just didn't realize it,
especially when I lived in Texas, because my dog Fiona
would in my pool just laps and laps and laps and laps.
So she probably definitely was ahigh energy dog, but she had an
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outlet for it. She would too.
Yeah, she swam. So I guess I never really had a
dog show me that there needs needed to be met in a different
way until Fitz, who doesn't really like other dogs, isn't
really comfortable around other strange people, and definitely
doesn't like loud noises or unexpected incidents happening.
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Right. I think we all either have that
experience or we're just completely not aware that those
experiences exist. And.
So. We are, yeah.
And like, that's what I, I get like, and a lot of my clients,
they used to be daycare dogs or dog park dogs and and then like,
they slowly realized that that wasn't the best solution to what
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their dog really needed. But I think at the same time,
there's not enough, just like you said, like there's not
enough discussion about it. I feel like sometimes the
discussions, they're too discussiony.
And then you find like all theselike, you know, people attacking
you because you dare to take your dog to the dog park.
And honestly, that that's one thing that I love about like
finding people like you, becauseyou're really bringing kind of
like this environment of like, let's just talk, you know, like,
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let's just talk dogs and like, put it out there and like not
shaming anyone. Everyone's different.
And like, I think acknowledging that and not making people feel
ashamed of their choices is really where all the growth
really starts coming up. That's a big thing.
That's for me. I, I stay away from any type of
judgement and I feel like sometimes my clients come in and
from the meet and greet, they, they say things and they don't
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know if I'm going to react because there's a lot of people
around here that they immediately going to shame.
I know the fact that you're coming to me means that you care
about your dog. You want to give them the best
of what you have available. I really want to give the same
service that I do everyone because then we both learn
together. And then I have these people who
maybe they have a fame in their neighborhood and they felt bad
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because other people were shaming them for their choices.
But then when they see me with their dogs and how happy they
are, then they get into this training.
I remember one time for one of my clients, I taught them how to
catch. And then they would message me
on the weekend like, Oh my God, I made him catch five times out
of 10. It's so nice to get people into
getting to know their dog and have fun with their dogs, which
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at the end of the day, that's mygoal in the world, just to teach
people how fun dogs are and how much fun you can have together.
So yeah. And we definitely need to start
talking more about every dog is unique and every dog needs
different things. And sometimes you may have an
expectation of what a dog wants or needs, but then you really
have to stop and look at your dog and listen to whatever
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they're saying. Yeah, and honestly, you just
said a lot. There's a lot to impact because
every dog is unique and individual and we need to let
them have their own emotions andthoughts and feelings and we
need to look at our dogs as unique individuals and not try
to transfer our own. This is what I'm supposed to do
on to the dog because it might not actually be what the dog
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needs and it might not actually even be helpful.
And I think a lot of people don't know how to play with
their dogs. They don't understand play with
their dogs. And then they say my dog doesn't
like toys or oh, my dog doesn't like this or oh, my dog isn't
food motivated or this or this or this.
And there's all of these reasonsthat it could potentially be
that way because you can build food drive and a dog.
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You can build toy drive and a dog, you can learn to play with
your dog, but you have to be willing to experiment and try
different things because if you're not willing to play
around with it, you're never really going to discover who
your dog is. And I think that that is the
best part about being involved with dogs is that silliness and
that you just get to have fun and be joyful with them because
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they don't judge. So why should we?
And back to your point about people feeling shameful or
guilty, a lot of my training clients in their training videos
or in our back and forth discussions, we'll say I'm sorry
or oh, I didn't do that right. Or I did, I did this instead.
Or we modified it this way because that works better for us
and they're apologizing. And I'm like, why are you
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apologizing? Awesome.
That's amazing. I'm so glad you found something
that worked better for you. And yeah, it might have been
based on for catching this, but instead you had to do this
first, and then you had to turn them this way.
And then you had to do whatever the basic principle was for me
to motivate you and inspire you,not for me to tell you.
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It has to be set in stone this way.
That's not what I want. Yeah, exactly.
And I think at the end of the day, everyone knows their dog
better and they know themselves better.
We cannot go and tell them how to do things.
And I think I do have also a lotof empathy for people because
that was me. I had a dog.
I am originally from Mexico, andback then I had a Cocker
Hispanial Wamba. I love her and she died three
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months after I came here. But she was my childhood dog and
I can tell you I didn't know know better.
So sometimes I get like this shame.
One time I remember I woke up inthe middle of the night and I
started crying because I was just like, if she saw me the way
I'm being with these dogs and the way I was with her, like so
boring. I didn't do anything with her.
I thought that she didn't know how to do anything.
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But she was so food motivated that I was like, oh, we couldn't
have so much fun. And I could have thrown her to
do everything. But it's just like, I have to go
back and say, you know, I didn'tknow better.
So when people who are like a friend of mine just told me my
doesn't want to play and then she sent me a video and he's
like a little statue and he would just like throw the ball
and the dog was napping. So she was just like, what are
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you doing? And it's just like, well,
there's a lot of things you can do different.
But then I think like it's very easy for me to not jump into
God, these people are so stupid because that was me like, so I,
I have to like keep that in mindand just like introduce the idea
because for me it's that sometimes you have to see
someone else doing it for you tosay like, Hey, I could do this.
And I think like a lot of what I'm trying to do with curious
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nudes, it's really changing the idea of what people see as a
walk. Because to me, a super fun walk
could be just in the alley with a long line playing with a talk
toy. And I think people, they always
see miles and steps and in my head, it's really an experience
in the world. So anytime you step outside of
your building that to me it's a walk because you have a leash
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and you have so many things thatyou can do.
You can do training, you can just not doing anything and let
the dog settle or you can do some sniffy games.
For me, like walking is so, so boring.
And I think that's why a lot of people go into walks with their
brain shut off and because they're just like, Oh yeah, you
know, I'm just holding the leashto keep the dog safe.
They're doing their thing. But it's just like, no, what if
this time could be your time to connect and your time to have
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fun and your time to relax aftera stressful day because you can
just be silly with your dog. So that's my biggest goal in
life, just to do that switch, intervene that way into people's
life, and I feel like I would behappy.
No, I completely agree. First off, to the point, you
don't know until you know, right?
That is why I started this wholepodcast because I think there
are so many things from so many different perspectives that
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people just don't know. And it might be something simple
like having fun on a walk and being silly with your dog and
connecting. Or it might be something more
serious, like if your dog is going to doggy daycare and
absolutely hates it and that's why they're having diarrhea and
vomiting every single night and crouching and crying in the
corner. There's a wide variety of things
that we can cover here. And that's that's why it's here
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so that people can learn and discover that stuff.
But also yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, walk is an experience.
It's not about how many steps you take.
It's not about how far you go. Who cares if you get to the stop
sign and back? Who cares if you only get to the
neighbors house and back? If your dog said OK, I sniffed
all these things and now we're turning around and going home
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and that's what they want to do,then that's fine.
They got what they needed. I think that people need to
understand if you want to go fora run and you want to run a
certain distance, or you want toget a certain amount of calories
burned, or you want to walk at acertain pace, then you want to
walk in a certain area of the neighborhood, go by yourself.
Your dog does not want to do that.
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Your dog smells everything around you and hears everything
around, and their sight, their hearing and their sense of smell
is way better than ours. So they're seeing layers of
things that we are not even acknowledging.
So it's so important to let themhave the experience that they
want to have on the walk insteadof trying to control them.
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What is the whole point of taking your dog out on a walk
and just trying to get them to walk in a straight line right
beside you the whole time? In a heel for what?
Just frustrating for everyone. Yeah, it's frustrating for
everyone and it's it is boring. It is boring for you, it's
boring for them. If the whole purpose is getting
the exercise, there are so many things that you can do instead
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that are going to mentally and emotionally stimulate them as
well as physically stimulate them at the same time.
And that is where I think peopleget lost and that's where
enrichment truly comes in and that power of making sure our
dogs are emotionally and mentally balanced as well as
physically balanced. Yeah, I know.
Like totally. Yeah, so many people are just
like give the dog a lick mat andthat's that's what we need.
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That's what they need for the day.
And you guys, lick mats are not bad.
I am not dissing on the lick mathere, but the lick mat is like
scratching the circle, tiny little butt.
Yes. It's just the very basic
beginnings of what enrichment is.
And I think if people had a better understanding of that, we
would have a lot more happy dogsand way less dogs and shelters.
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Yeah, totally. And I think like, that's how
like everything started morphingbecause when I initially design
my walks, I would call them likeenrich dog walk.
And I remember in the beginning I would even bring like
cardboard for them to like destroy or like do more things.
But like the more I started learning, the more I really got
into, you know, like, like focusing more specifically on
like reactive dogs and like working on reactivity and then
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just building that engagement. I've been taking so much from
like this sports dog world. Honestly, like the moment I
found fancy dog sports, it was just like a game changer for me
because I initially I started like in dog training in a very,
very, very, very, very force free side of things.
And just like things weren't clicking for me.
And I paid so much money for that course.
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And I, I still regret it. Sometimes I wake up at night and
it's just like, Oh my goodness, it was a good beginning.
But I, I hated the fact that they were selling me a
philosophy and they were really just telling me what to believe.
And I remember one time in the Facebook group that we had
someone asked, oh, which one is the quadrant that we don't like?
And I was just like you, you would be thinking that yourself
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not be waiting for someone to tell you.
We don't like this. So I hated the fact that they
didn't let me question things and they didn't let me just ask
questions without feeling like Ineeded to walk on egg shells.
I am like in permanent hiatus from there.
And then I was lost for such a long time until I found fancy
dog sports. I remember I had one client and
it was very specific things likehigh arousal.
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And then I went into fancy and then I found an specific course
that it was like a six weeks course for this type of specific
dogs. And I was just like, yes, So
then I've been really just taking what my clients need and
find information that I need to serve them.
And I think this process of learning and applying has been
just such a game changer for me because that's I feel like how
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it has to be because I am applying to clients and I'm
always troubleshooting things and like looking for something
else. I'm picking here, I'm picking
there and I'm mixing like my ownlittle portion of what I know
based on what I find instead of them just a filter version of
dog training that that's not really what I wanted.
I'm with you on that. Because dog training is
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unregulated in the United Statesnow.
It is becoming more of a trend. People want you to have some
kind of certification. I haven't taken the big one,
which is the CPDT Dash Kai have all of my note cards.
I'm studying for it. I do think it's important to
know the quadrants and Lima and all of that stuff.
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But like you, I have taken many specific certifications outside
of that big general because as important as some people might
think that certified professional dog trainer
knowledge assessed title is, I feel like that does not always
apply to the dogs that I work with.
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That's why I have an enrichment technician certification.
That is why I have the family dog mediation certification.
That is why I went through Michael Chicaccio's aggressive
dog master course. And since this episode will be
coming out after I have announced this, that is why I'm
also now a certified professional canine nutritionist
has I find that there's so many things that contribute to our
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big feeling dogs and shockingly,diet and health is one of them.
And I think a lot of people justdon't realize that because of
Toby's pancreatitis, I went downa huge rabbit hole and then was
encouraged by two people, Tanisha from Pet Matrix and
Nelly from the Combine Dog, to just go ahead and get my
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certification because I've learned so much about it.
It was silly for me to not have it, so I feel like I'm trying to
do the same thing. I'm morphine into my own little
category of dog trainer. I might not have the big title
but I am creating a space for the right category of clients
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because. Dishing down.
Yeah. And I think that that's
important because not everybody needs basic obedience and not
everybody needs service dog training.
And while I'm working on those kinds of skills as well, because
there may be a time where we have to tune something up or
refine something for somebody, Ithink that there are other
things that play for most dogs that just need to be addressed.
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And if you could find what thosethings are and specialize in
those things, then those dogs are going to be more successful
in the family as a whole. And they might not be the
trainer you need the next time, but at least they know who to
send to you when they run into people who need you.
And I think. That's really important.
Yeah, totally. And I didn't really realize that
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I was doing that. But even with my walks, because
I focus on dogs with big feelings, people have really
connected with that term, at least in my city.
A lot of people know me because you're like, Oh yeah, reactive
dogs, like, you know, curious. It's so it's so cool.
And I really, I think that's what I was feeling besides just
all the dog training wars, my hearts.
I am very curious. That's what I named my business
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like that. It was kind of in my heart.
So sensitive dogs has always been a big thing for me.
So going through like all these steps, which I mean, like, I'm
not going to like that. It really helped me a lot
setting up at least the one termthat I did or setting up the
foundation, understanding the quadrants, understanding like
mechanics. It was great.
But then it was just like, I really don't like the community
that I found. And I feel like I don't want to
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waste my time like there. And I really want to take my own
journey and find my, my own people, if that makes sense, who
are also curious, who also want to have these conversations.
We're also open. So that's where I did and like,
like ended up leading. That's where I met you, and look
at us now. We're having these
conversations. Yeah, and on top of that, let me
just make this comment because you said the dog training wars.
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Like seriously, if dogs are unique individuals then why do
trainers need to be cookie cutter?
Cutouts. Literally.
Yeah. What is this?
Both sides of the fence are like, we're going to do it this
way and we're going to use E collars and prong collars.
And the other side of the fence is like, why am I going to use
any of that? Because it's evil and bad and
horrible and you should be shamed at well, and I'm just
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like you guys, True Balance is modifying each training plan to
the specific dog. I have a couple that I'm working
with currently that have two dogs.
And I told them from the start, we're going to start in the same
place. But I guarantee you that their
training plans are going to diverge and we're going to be
working on 2 totally separate things.
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And we have been, we've been completely working on 2 totally
different things. And they were like, wow, we
didn't really expect for it to be this different for each of
them. And I'm like, but you
understand, right? And they're like, yeah, no, we
totally get it. We see that this dog is way more
energetic and wants to be very involved and is very eager to
please and do all the tricks anddo all of the whatever.
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She's happy to throw her face ina muzzle.
She's happy to spin circles and do all of the things.
And the other dog is like, well,if I have to, I might be an
Eeyore about it. But if you're going to give me
treats, hope. It's just so fun to see those
differences. I love that they are so involved
in it and that they love seeing the difference and really
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catering to each dog as an individual because that has made
them more successful overall in their family situation and how
they operate together as a unit.And if we just tell people you
could only do it one way forever, for the rest of time,
what are we changing? Guys?
We're not changing anything. We're still having the same
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stupid discussions, we're still making people feel bad about
stuff, and we're arguing about things that don't actually
matter. Yeah, honestly, that's exactly
my feeling. That's a little bit of a promise
that I made myself when I started creating content is I
just want to show people what I do and how they we can do it
too. But everyone that I see that are
making content pointing fingers,as soon as the video starts with
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this trainer, all the trainers, it's just like, no, no, no, no.
I want to see people showing their work and I want to see
people doing what they do. And like I learned so much from
just watching them and like, even if they're balanced or like
they are like force free or they're anything in between.
I learned so much from seeing people working with dogs.
That is just like, why are you losing energy in like fighting
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each other when you could all bejust showing what you do and let
the world like connect with whatever they connect.
Because I think like in the era of the world, like we're so many
people, you are not gonna convince.
And I remember that was another thing that really stroked me
this time. What's more on like the force
free side that I remember this, this girl asked in one of like
the communities, but she was just like, what are your worst
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fears if the force free side doesn't win or something like
that? And I was just like, that is
terrifying. Like, and if you live with that,
you know, if you see everything that's happening from this, the
world is gonna end if the other side wins.
And she's just like what I remember, I left the group
immediately after that. I was just like, I cannot apply
and see everything online. And they're so confused with
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what they should do and what they shouldn't be doing.
I think all of that is really just confusing people.
So it's just like, no, no, no, no, no, we should stop.
And I, that's why I'm extra focused on sharing the good
parts of dogs and also the good parts of, of humans because just
like you mentioned, like in, in those videos of my interactions
with people outside, I always try to be aware of my
surroundings. And that's something that I also
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teach people because now I've started doing kind of like
coaching people's on their walk,people walks.
So I kind of like teach people how to do the walks the way I do
it, but not working with the human and the dogs.
So something that I always explain is your head has to be
also like steps away. There's a dog of fish over
there. Maybe let's go this way instead.
And I feel like some people, they're just in their thing that
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they don't even notice until it's too late.
And then they, they have the explosion.
They have like this horrible thing that if you're just aware
with your dog and your surroundings, you really can
avoid a lot of things or at least be very proactive about
things instead of reactive. But I also find that the same
way that we have reactive dogs, we have so many reactive humans.
And that's coming from AI want to say reactive human in
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recovery. Because I used to be very
reactive and I was just in my nervous system was very on edge
all the time. It's been like a lot of work
calming them down. And I think that's why I relate
a lot with my big feeling dogs because I have big feelings too.
So you need to acknowledge that people are have their feelings
and it's just a whole thing thatyou really need to stay aware
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and try to be one step ahead. Kind of like I always tell
people, you need to expect stupid people out there and then
just plan for it. Just incorporate that in your
plan for the walk because it's gonna happen and nothing comes
from you getting frustrated and angry.
But better to be alert of when that happens and you're like,
I'm gonna go the other way. So I had so many things.
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Well, so let's throw out a dog trainer term here.
Management. You cannot manage the situation
and appropriately prepare or avoid things unless your head is
on swivel. If you are scrolling through
TikTok or Instagram or whatever while you're walking your dog
and you're not actually paying attention to your dog, you're
missing everything. You're missing all of the body
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language. You're missing everything that's
happening around you. Your head needs to be on swivel.
You need to actively be looking or triggers that could be other
people, that could be other dogs, that could be the mail
truck, it could be a trailer, itcould be a motorcycle, it could
be a small child, it could be anything.
And you cannot effectively find a solution to the situation if
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you're not paying attention. It's just like people who sit at
the dog park and read their bookinstead of actively engaging
with their dog because they go there just like with doggy
daycare guys and dump their dog and don't pay attention to the
entire thing that's happening. And now their dog's in a fight
or now their dog's been attackedor somebody's gotten bit for a
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dog's cornered or whatever the situation happens to be.
And nobody knows what happened because nobody was paying
attention. And that's how this stuff
starts. And everybody's like, well, I
didn't, I didn't see it what happened or I don't understand
what this. Game I don't want to do.
It came out of the blue. No, actually it didn't.
There was definitely a wind up and you totally missed it.
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So there's definitely some accountability that needs to
take place. But when we take accountability,
we also have to learn how to advocate.
Which brings us back to your little video.
That was such a good example of communication.
So why don't you tell everybody about that situation and that
video? Yes, well, I was walking about
one of my big feeling dogs and Iwent on a little hike with her
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and I knew that that path that we were gonna take, there was a
high chance that we were gonna find an off leash dog.
And that day, I normally don't take this particular dog for
such a long hike because that time I was doing a longer walk
than usual. So I was like, yes, this is my
time. And I, I remember I had my
husband with me because he was recording some content.
So I felt kind of like, OK, I have a bit of backup here.
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So I felt confident of going. And then, yeah, sure enough,
there was this lady coming down the stairs with her dog off
leash, which at the at the beginning I noticed he was one
dog, but then it turns out it was 2.
They were like all twins. So I remember I just told her,
hey, do you mind putting him on a leash?
I have a reactive dog. And she was so nice about it.
That was the best part of everything because she
understood in the second. And then she was just like, Oh
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yeah, yeah. And she called her dog.
I moved to the side because I know that dogs, if it was still
a leash, he could smell my dog and wanting to come say hi.
So I just kind of like move on the side to let her do all the
leash up. And that's where I saw the
second dog. And I cannot explain to her my
plan because it was like a tightpad, but then there was a little
like I kind of like 2 paths veryclose by.
So I told her I'm gonna go this way if you can come this way.
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And she was just like, yes, got it.
And then she just came in. And I remember even when I said
thank you, she was just like, you're welcome or like of
course. And it's so nice to see people
being so nice. You can have your dog off leash,
but if you see someone else coming, just reassure them and
put them on a leash if you're incontrol.
I always say I don't have an issue with all leash dogs if
they don't come my way because alot of dogs are really good in
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control. They handle it nicely as soon as
the dog looks at me and it's just like I normally tell people
and I've had other instances where this guy was just like,
well, it's like the culture hereto have them off leash.
And I was just like, what are you talking about?
Like it's, it's not, it's not like doesn't make any sense.
This lady was so nice. And I think like, I really
wanted to share that number one,because I caught it on camera
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and I was just like, yes, I think we need to put all these
examples of people being really nice about it because I feel
like a lot of people feel offended for some reason when
you ask them to put them on a leash.
And it's just like, no, it's really not about your dog.
It's about my dog. I want to make sure I'm safe and
you're safe. So just like taking care about
everyone, it's nice to see someone reacting so positively
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about it and then just putting up an example out there.
And it was a great example too. I would have been elated to
catch something like that on camera because it was such a
perfect interaction. And you're right, I don't
understand why people get offended.
I'm telling you my dog is the problem.
Hey, I'm the problem. Please put your dog on a leash
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because my dog is going to freakthe fuck out and act like a
total asshole. And then your dog might get
upset or might be able to just walk right on by.
But the last thing I want is conflict.
So I would rather tell you, hey,can you put your leash on so
that we don't have an issue versus now we have a dogfight
and I tried to stop that from happening.
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I don't understand. It honestly surprises me how
many people still think that like off leash is a culture or
that it's acceptable when literally all over the Internet
people are saying please leash your dog, please leash your dog,
please leash your dog. It's not that difficult.
And if you have a small dog and you want to just pick your small
dog up instead of leash, it's fine.
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That's fine. Control that's fine I don't care
but but I never had any interaction because the lady was
far away and I could see the dogwas off leash far away from the
owner. So I was just like you know what
I'm just going to go the other way.
But there was this moment very nerve wracking that I could see
the lady but I couldn't see the dog.
So I was just like is the dog going to come this way or that
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way? And my dog is very reactive and
if they come to our place could be aggressive.
And I am just trying to keep everyone safe.
And here I am trying to watch out where the dog is coming from
because a lady is just like hell, you know, like let them
have their fun. And it's just like, no, don't
let them. Or let them work it out.
That is the one that makes me insane.
Let them work it out. No, that's not actually what we
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want to do here, because that ends in injury almost every
single time. Every single time.
Yeah, no. And in my case, because I'm a
Walker, it's like I don't want to return.
My dogs hurt. My biggest thing is always, even
when I'm training, my team is a boy.
We're really not here to be the wild cards here.
Avoid anything because I want the dog to come back home in one
piece. No, I completely agree with
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that. And it should be about safety
for everyone, not just you and your dog, but the other person
and their dog or dogs as well. Because if we could just respect
space a little bit. The thing that I don't
understand is it would be like if I just came running up to you
out of nowhere. No dogs involved here in the
scenario, guys. If I just went running up to
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Laura and got in her face and I had never met her before and I
threw my arms around her and I swung her around and gave her a
huge hug and she was like who the heck is this person and why
is she touching me? That is what it is like when we
are letting our dogs just off leash running up to other dogs
without proper introductions. Would you want that to happen to
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you? No, I want that.
To happen to me. What the hell?
What just happened to me? I will tell you from personal
experience, a lot of you know that I have multi colored hair
and a lot of tattoos. I have had really strange
experiences standing in line to get a ticket at the movie
theater and someone coming up and legitimately tracing my
tattoos on my back and start commenting on how they like the
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floral pattern. Where did I get it done and
isn't this lovely? And I'm just like why?
So crazy. Me right?
It's so weird. Like, what gives you the right
to do that? Yeah.
And that's why I understand whatpeople are saying.
Leash your dog and let's advocate for space and flight
manners and all the things because I don't like that.
So why should I expect my dog tolike that?
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Yeah, that's not OK. It's crazy I posted another
video of like me I was walking one of my doggies and he's super
friendly but that's the thing can be too friendly.
So I was walking and then I saw a person coming.
So I just move him on the side and just asked him to wait while
the person passed. And the person really knowledge
that because he was like, thanks.
So I was just like, hey, and here's another thing that, you
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know, we can do because I do notice when people are hesitant
to go on the same like street oranything.
And I like it doesn't take anything.
And I'm always looking for opportunities to teach my dogs
good social behavior. So for me, it's like, you know,
like calmness around humans and around dogs is always my goal.
So if like, if I can't teach himto like maybe just sit here, be
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neutral about this person comingin, it's a win win to me.
And then so many people started commenting.
It has turning to like a whole learning experience because like
a lot of people sharing their fears of dogs of how they really
appreciate doing that. And it's been like generally
positive. I think I just had like 4 people
or six people who were like, that's not necessary or you're
not responsible for other people's feelings.
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But it's just like, well, it's not really because I am
responsible if I can make some space for them and I can also
teach my dogs something good. Like to me, it's a win win.
It was so crazy how much it resonated with people.
It has like the most videos thatany of my videos has had so many
comments, so many shares and it really touched something in
society. And I think because I am in such
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a dog focused community online, for all of us, it's so normal to
just love dogs and see dogs. And then one of the comments
someone mentioned that they're Muslim and that because of their
religion they cannot touch dogs.And that just blew my mind
because coming from Mexico, we have dogs in every household to
me, so natural and I can say hello to any dog, but I don't.
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But there are so many things that we really don't know about
other people, like their culture, their beliefs, past
experiences. It's it's really just a little
kindness of moving to the side and can make a big difference to
other people. So I think like those are the
things that I'm really trying tomodel, at least with my content,
these little, tiny, tiny, tiny little moments can really make a
difference. So that's what I'm trying to at
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least focus all my content on, just reminding the world that
humans are actually good. Yes, that kindness and courtesy
are not present enough in society anymore, and it might
not be our jobs to think about other people and other dogs, but
wouldn't it be so much better space and community if we were
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being thoughtful, being kind, being worried about other people
and how the scenario is going toplay out?
Like that is what actually matters in this whole situation.
We're trying to prevent bad situations and also the two
friendly thing. My dog is friendly.
Guys, that's out. It's out, It's not in.
It's the same thing. You still should not allow your
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dog to approach another dog without permission because maybe
that dog is not friendly. Maybe that dog likes other dogs
but only in certain situations. Or maybe that dog doesn't like
other dogs at all. Or maybe your dog runs up to
somebody that doesn't have a dog, but they're Muslim and they
can't touch your dog or they're afraid of your dog because
they've been bit by a dog when they were a kid or something.
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You're right, there are so many different perspectives to every
situation and I think that having at least a little bit of
self-awareness and just thoughtfulness to push outwards
towards your surroundings is so,so much better for the
community. It's like when you go to a
campground, the rule at the campground is to leave the
campground the same as you foundit or better.
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Why can't we apply that to the dog world as well?
When we're out walking our dogs,when we're playing in our
backyards with our dogs, when we're interacting with other
people in their dogs, when we'reon a walk by ourselves and we're
passing people with a dog? We should be making the
community a better place for people to exist and not
complicating it and having arguments over things.
Just be mutually respectful. That's all it has to be.
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Yeah, literally. And that's a lot of what I also
like always strike is, you know,something that I've been doing.
I mean, I love smiling to people, but I've been noticing
now that I walk dogs all day because I also bike to all the
dogs. So I'm always kind of like on
the move. And then I was going through
these kind of like very sketchy under a bridge area.
And then I saw this guy and likemy first thought it was he's
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like very sketchy or the safety aspect that it kind of started
scaring me. But then when we walk past, like
I smile at him and he like, likehis face just changed
completely. You know, he was kind of like
this. And then he was just, he didn't
know what to do. One kind of like smile back And
you could see like the impact that a smile could have on
someone. And now I'm a huge fan of just
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going around smiling to people because a lot of people are just
kind of like, whoa, what is this?
And they kind of like they don'tknow what to do and they also
smile, but seeing that little childlike excitement of just
seeing someone else connecting with you and just giving you a
smile. So just like, it's so funny if I
advocate so much for my dogs anddogs with big feelings, I think
for me to be coherent with my message, I also have to keep
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that same idea for humans, right?
I need to read body language of the human and just observe all
the things and the impact that my presence has in other people.
And once you start seeing that, I really cannot see that.
And then you have to act. I feel like you really have to
act on it. So for this guy on the video, he
was all fancy. He was kind of very dressed up.
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And I could see him hesitating of like maybe this dog will jump
on me or getting me dirty or something.
I could see that tension in him and that's why I just moved to
the side. And turns out he was very
appreciative of that. So it's just those things.
And for me, it's always practice, right?
I designed this business for me to learn the most.
So I think like that's the same when I'm out on walks.
How can I make the most of this time with my dog, but also in my
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community? Or how can I bring some goodness
into my environment? Because I think that really
follows you and and you start attracting more of that.
So so yeah, that's that's a big thing for me.
I love that and I agree. I think that, you know,
positivity and putting good energy out there and trying to
be the change that you want to see in the world is more of what
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we need. And I think that there's going
to be a big shift coming, hopefully soon, where people are
starting to realize that good things come to those who work
hard and make space for others. And I think that you're doing
amazing things, and I love to see you put up your content and
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to show these amazing experiences.
And I think that it's really educational and really fun.
And it's just neat to see that there are good things happening
in the world sometimes. So why don't you tell everybody
about your business, where you're located, how they can get
in contact with you, and what areas you serve?
Yes. So right now I serve new ones
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Minster, it's very close to Vancouver here in Canada.
But I also now recently this year, we expanded to Poco
because I'm starting to create abit of a team.
So I found Olivia, she's an Angel.
She is also working to become a trainer.
So it was just like, this is thejob for you.
So she started doing walks. So now we serve Pork a Whitlam
here in BC. And my plan really is to expand
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more. But really, I really am trying
to look into a way to turn what I do into something I can really
share online. So that's something that I'm
working on, figuring out a plan of how I can really bring this
job. This concept of walks that I
have into the world, so anyone can have this experience.
And of course, I also want to expand more here in in the lower
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mainland. Like if you want to connect with
me, you can follow me on Instagram is where I'm the most
active. You can just look for me at
curious Notes with Double S, like sometimes people miss it
with the Curious and the Snoots.It's like I, I really hope to
reach the World at some point, but right now I am focusing on
New Westminster and, and just building my community.
Whatever I have available, I'm going to build that very nicely.
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Well, I think you're doing a great job and I really
appreciate you taking the time to come and chat with me
tonight. But before we sign off, what
would you like to leave the listeners?
With well, I think just going into the same line of what we
discussed is just reminding people that not everything but
that we see on our phone is really reflecting on the
reality, the outside. Everything online gets
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amplified. And sadly, I feel like it's very
much on the negative side. The algorithm is designed to
just attract and negativity sadly attracts a lot of
eyeballs. So I just wanna leave people
with this challenge of forgetting about what's online
and just looking at their communities and what they see
and the people that they find inthe streets.
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Because I feel like it's really our duty right now in this time
and age to to bring back the good into the world.
And I don't think that's going to happen fully online.
But we can do it little by little, just smiling to one
person on the street or just telling someone that their
earrings are nice or anywhere that we can just share joy to
people or just going for a superchill sneak walk with our dogs
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or just doing a game with them. So just any way that we can find
that joy and share that, I thinkthat's what matters the most
right now. So I invite everyone to do that.
I think that is a really important message, especially
right now. So find joy, be kind, make
space, advocate for your dog andreach out to Laura on Curious
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Snoots and we will see you guys next week on Straight Up Dog
Talk. Straight Up Dog Talk was created
by Emily Breslin. It is edited and produced under
the supervision of Straight Up Dog Talk, LLC and Emily Breslin.
If you're enjoying this podcast,follow or subscribe and be sure
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