May 19, 2024 • 46 mins
In this episode of 'Tailored Talks', join hosts Brad, Will, Kendra, and esteemed guest Noah Williams, as they traverse the world of fashion in popular TV shows. Discover how television influences fashion trends and shapes viewers’ style choices through the first-ever live draft of the "Most stylish" tv shows. The winner gets absolutely nothing, but we all have a great time.
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Music.
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Welcome back to Tailored Talks. I am Brad, one of your co-hosts and co-founder
of OMJ Clothing. For this week, we're going to do something a little bit different.
We are going to have a little bit of fun with doing an actual draft of the most stylish TV shows.
A lot of folks may not care too much about fashion that watches this,
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or they might love fashion and style.
But one thing I know that a lot of people like is TV shows. So we all here love TV.
Probably watch more TV than we should, but that's okay.
This week, we're going to combine our love for all things in this podcast with
fashion and style and talk about TV shows that we love that also incorporate fashion and style.
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With me today to my right, I have friend and OMJ stylist, Will Jones.
Hey guys. I also, we have OMJ stylist, Kendra Cheeseman. Hi.
And then a special guest today, we have Mr. Noah Williams. By day,
has a regular job like all of, you know, most people. Sure.
That's a good way to put it. And then also one of the most stylish guys in Charlotte.
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Oh, thank you. Indeed. The Southeast.
That's a big stretch, but okay, I'll take it. I mean, yeah, I'll take it.
United States. But we've been at, we've known Will...
Known noah for a long time uh he helps us
out with a lot here at omj with our
photography video all the instagram content that
you see a lot of that comes from noah and just
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a big fan of his in general we look forward to having him today and the rules
are simple guys like a normal draft anybody recently watched the nfl draft we
go somebody picks first once a show is picked it's off the board and cannot be picked again.
We will go, Noah, since you're our special guest, you will get to go first.
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Followed by Kendra, Will, myself. We're going to do three rounds.
Try to do three rounds. We'll try.
We'll see how it goes. And without further ado, Noah, you are on the clock with the first pick.
Instantly know where I'm going. So I am going suits.
Suits. 2011 to 2019.
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And this is an interesting one. You know, this is when I was coming,
I would have been junior, sophomore in high school, kind of starting to get interested in style.
And I feel like, it's funny, this is on Netflix now, kind of having,
I feel like, a second wind, a second revival.
But, you know, back in the day, I mean, 2011, 2012, this was, like, the show on USA.
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And it was, like, it was that, White Collar, and then I think Burn Notice was maybe still on.
Yeah, Burn Notice was on. Um, but yeah, I mean, Harvey Specter,
you know, that was like my style icon starting out.
He had a lot of, that's when I started to notice and kind of got the appreciation
for like the wider peak lapel.
He had a lot of Dolce and Gabbana, a lot of very early Tom Ford, uh, kind of suiting.
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I think some Gucci as well, but just, I mean, impeccably dressed and got better
throughout the seasons.
You know, I can distinctly remember.
I also would watch, uh, watch it when it first came out. Yeah. Yeah.
Mr. Porter. Yep. That was sort of the first Mr.
Porter, for those that don't know, an online store just renowned for impeccable style.
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Almost, you know, they carry all the big brands, but also known for the style advice.
And, you know, it's sort of like a safe place you can go if you really enjoy nice, nice pieces.
And they actually did a collab for Suits.
Yep. And that was really the first time I had, seen something
like that in sort of the menswear industry we
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had not started omj yet but like you
i really you know the the the lapels are
wider i know it influenced will heavily yeah i literally asked for the harvey
specter look yeah we've had our system our first suit asked for the harvey specter
sure i don't know what i want but i want the the the shirt collar to be really big and Okay, I got you.
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Maybe some of that will rub off on you and you'll feel, you know,
that same kind of empowerment.
But no, it was wonderful. Wonderful show. Awesome show.
Almost like armor. Yeah. Not just a suit. Yeah. Literally a suit of armor.
I'm jealous. That was going to be my first pick.
That's okay. Yeah. What do you got? So I'm going to go a little further back
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and show my age. My first pick is going to be Girlfriends.
I feel like it was an iconic television show on the defunct UPN.
No one probably remembers that being like a TV series.
But I think what was really important for me, like at that age in my early 20s,
was seeing these four friends that all had iconic different styles.
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Like you had the quirky one.
You had Joan, the character that was really like well-dressed in high fashion
because she was a lawyer.
But everything's like Manolo Blahnik. And I think looking back at the time watching
the show, I never realized how hard it was to get the products for the show
because of what network it was on.
So a lot of the products they used were Tracee Ellis Ross's own clothes.
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So I think for me that was because they just didn't have the funding because
I didn't think the show was going to be such a hit.
But it ran multiple seasons and it's just always been like that go-to.
Even now watching reruns, you're like, wow, these are amazing.
And she's such a fashion icon even off the screen as well.
And you see she honed everything throughout those years. And so it's just something
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that I always think is amazing to see these four different styles of women that
come together and make amazing fashion on TV. That's awesome. Very nice.
Girlfriends. Girlfriends. Girlfriends it is. I'm always looking for a show.
Yeah, for those that don't, I feel obliged to.
One reason I watch a lot of TV is for the inspiration of what you might see,
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but also quite often doing a lot of administrative stuff at night for OMJ because
once the kids go to bed, that's really the only time to get stuff done.
So I feel confident. I probably am going to have seen a lot of the shows that
we talk about today, but I have not seen Girlfriends. So interesting.
All right, Will, you are up with the third pick.
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All right. So to piggyback on the inspiration, you know, that you might glean
from a show fashion-wise, Miami Vice, 1984.
A lot of pastels, obviously. Don Johnson in character was, you know,
quite an inspiration for me.
And of course, the product placement is second to none as well.
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You had a big influence from Armani to Ferrari for the automobiles,
Rolex for the watches, Ray-Ban Wayfarers, and then the backdrop being 1980s cool or hot Miami.
And for me, I can, you know, to look at a clip of it and I'm immediately transported.
And it's something that I've tried
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to weave into my wardrobe and stylistically, I hold it on a pedestal.
So I strongly encourage you to watch it if you haven't seen it yet.
I've seen, you know, when I was younger, I would, I saw some episodes, but it's been a while.
Yeah. I've seen the new one. Is the old one? No, I'm just kidding.
I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
They did relaunch it recently. I didn't even know there was a new one.
Yeah, yeah. No, there's like- 2006, Colin Farrell, Jamie Foxx, Michael Mann.
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No, but there's a newer than that. There's like a 20. It's like a TV show.
Yeah, 2020 is one, yeah. There's a new TV show. Oh, wow. I have no idea. Okay.
Not known for maybe a sartorial elegance. Yeah, I would say not.
The original. Or good writing. Yeah. That's a shame. Yeah.
All right, Brad, who do you got? All right. I cannot believe it fell to me,
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so I'm taking it Mad Men. I knew it.
You guys, I think y'all just threw me a bone here. Yep.
Mad Men, my all-time, I think, favorite show, favorite show,
show, as well as stylish TV show.
I think for me, the key thing I took away from Mad Men is you look at that show going from the late 50s,
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early 60s into the 70s by the end of its run.
And you see a very drastic difference in how all the characters are dressing.
So when it begins, you're seeing everybody kind of clean cut, normal suit.
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And by the end, you know, it's the 70s and there's sideburns and,
you know, wide lapel polo shirts. And it's really interesting.
But the person who doesn't change is Don Draper.
He was wearing the same thing and he looks great.
And I was just struck by this guy is a serious person despite his extracurriculars,
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you know, but from a business perspective, he is,
looks, looks sharp, is dressed well.
Professionally is put together. He's ready to go.
And he compared to how everybody else has changed around him.
He's gonna, he's looking good. He's looking classic, timeless,
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and there's a place for that never goes out of style.
And that was kind of my big takeaway is wow.
You know, I think I wanna model that as I go through my career. Yeah.
And yes, there's trends and there's things that are coming and going.
And a lot of people I work with are going to be gravitating to those.
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But I think there's always a place for timeless and classic style like Don Draper. Yeah, totally.
Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, you mentioned, again, on the writing side
as someone in media and copywriting and all that stuff.
It's so cool to see the juxtaposition of sort of this chaotic personal life
matched with this seamless and perfect professional life, if you will,
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and even getting to see his backstory of how he was selling furs and all that
and then kind of snaked his way.
It's interesting from a watch perspective as well. You know,
you see him wearing a lot of JLC, J.J.
LeCoultre watches in the earlier seasons, and then as you progress through and
things get more casual, He switches to a Rolex Explorer, an early reference
1016, which is a very cool watch and something that I love.
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But I think as you get into that last season, you sort of see this transformation
of, yes, he still has the suiting.
But then when he goes out to California, there's this other cool Americana side
that he taps into stylistically.
That's also really, really cool. And he's doing like the salt flats and all the race car stuff.
I think that was cool as well. Yeah, that, and the, for TV in general,
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the one, like, if you want to get, if you want to get Brad to watch your TV
show, have it be about somebody that is really good at their job. Yeah.
Maybe in spite of the turmoil in life. Sure.
And Don was great at his job, despite all the things that he went through,
which I think is real life.
You know, I think everybody goes through, you know, difficult situations and things like that.
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Sure. Despite that, being able to still be really good at his job when he was
there and still create that presence by how he dressed was,
I know for me, it was, you know, it was synonymous with, I want to model how
I take my career that way. Sure.
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Also, fun fact, I have probably watched the early seasons of Mad Men no fewer
than like eight times. Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, it's just incredibly rewatchable. There was a time in the...
Mid 2010s, like 2015, 2016.
I mean, I'm just doing a ton of work behind the scenes for OMJ.
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It was really just myself and Felipe at the time.
So, you know, we were creating websites and we were having to do that ourselves
and write the content and the blog and all the things.
And it had, you know, we were just doing it on a computer and Mad Men was always in the background.
Yeah. Always. ways and i remember i would finish it what
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was available that the series was still going but i would
finish you know whatever was on netflix and just
start it back over and just from there
so yeah nice and don't
sleep on rogers style as well yeah that's a
great style for sure also yeah i style tutor tuxedo
on the wrist yeah i think him too he
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would he was always in a suit but he
would he would be a little more adventurous yeah wider lapel.
Wider lapel three piece maybe a brighter color as well yeah
stripe you know something like that which i really enjoyed that
as well so all right so don draper is
my the the work non-draper not the
extracurricular don draper right but that don draper i
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think is like my ultimate character inspiration all right
sir second round of starting no you're
up so similar but different i'm
going right on with them ah so you're seeing
a lot of tailoring mixed in in
unique ways so you know you have this incredibly rough boston
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gangster mafia adjacent guy you know
in california who's been out there and yet he all
he typically looks quite sharp
right he's got you know incredible denim on great jackets
i think black jacket anston anston shirt makers or
something like that is who makes the shirts white shirt black jacket
yeah incredible though incredible awesome yeah great
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look but yeah i mean what a great tv series as well
something with watches as well it's been a while since i've seen it all in his
character being a collector of watches yeah as well yeah there is i do remember
the scene now that you mentioned that where he i think his son wants something
and he opens up a drawer and it's just filled he has like a daytona that he
gives away in one of the seasons That was quite cool.
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But, yeah, I mean, Ray Donovan, another very kind of stoic character who's,
you know, not usually on the right, but wants to do the right thing overall.
I think his moral compass for humanity is.
Is there. Yes. I'm not saying he's morally in the law.
Right. But he's a person you can still root for because you know in their core.
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Yeah. They are wanting to do what's right. Sure. Sure. Absolutely.
Yeah. But no, Ray Donovan, pick number two.
Just such a buttoned up, great looking guy.
And yeah, that's my second pick. I love it. Great. All right.
Kendra. I'm going with Gossip Girl. Gossip. Nice.
Chuck Bass. That's what I was going to say. Like Blair and Chuck Bass always
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had these iconic looks on.
Everyone on the show was always dressed to the nine.
But I think the really big thing is even the older one and the newer one,
even though I've like aged out from watching the newer one, but all of it's like high top fashion.
There was nothing left out from that show. And I think it started trends,
like, back in the day when Blair had the little pins in her hair.
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No one was doing that, and she brought it back completely.
So I think it's just, like, the little pretty frilly dresses on the steps of
the Met, everything was just the style that you base things off of.
And the men were always well-dressed, too. So I kind of give that creative director
kudos on that, because it just always looked very sharp.
Yeah. And Dan. Dan had some nice kind of grunge street style adjacent.
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Well, because they had to make it like that because it was like the dichotomy
of the income levels, too.
Yeah. But Chuck Bass, he killed it style. Yeah. Holistically.
Definitely. And extracurricular. Extracurricular.
Again, not one that we would endorse necessarily. But no, it is an interesting
look at and having lived in New York briefly.
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I mean, it really is the haves and have-nots. There's not a lot of middle ground.
So seeing those two different worlds, I think was really interesting.
And such a mysteriousness around, you know, the entire show as well.
Because you had to know who is Gossip Girl. From character to the clothes,
to the dialogue in between, just always fun to watch. One of my personal favorites as well.
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All right, so I'm staying in the 1980s. Okay.
I'm going with the covetable Remington Steele. Oh, there you go. Nice.
I'm a massive Pierce Brosnan fan, and this is one of his earliest forays into television, really.
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And he did it so seamlessly. He really hit upon the golden age of Hollywood. would.
His character even would often reference quotes by Humphrey Bogart.
And just the way he moved in his clothing as well was something that always
struck me on the show and definitely was a formidable,
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you know, force satorially, especially early on when I was taking note of how,
you know, guys were dressing and specifically looking at this element of high-low fashion.
You would often see him say in a pair of Wrangler jeans, but,
you know, with a Christian Dior top, which I always thought was really interesting as well.
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I often would think that camel hair jacket would look good on me too.
So that's a staple of my wardrobe and one that will always, you know,
be a staple of my wardrobe.
So one of my favorite shows and, you know, I highly recommend you guys watching
it Yeah, I've never seen it.
I'm adding it to my list here. He's a suave Irishman, that's for sure.
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But he does the character quite some justice, especially from a clothes perspective.
But such an immense talent as well. Awesome.
All right. All right, Brad, who do you got? So for my number two pick,
I'm going with The Crown. The Crown.
Nice. The crown. So the crown just wrapped up this year.
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2016 is when it started. For those that don't know, the crown is a life.
I don't know how accurately based,
but I'm going to pretend that it's 100% accurately based on the queen,
the royals, and follows really from the early years of Queen Elizabeth before she was a queen.
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Sure. and just the way they would do it is every two years they would get a new cast and so just,
amazingly done from a show perspective again we're
not this draft is not how good this show is necessarily but from a style perspective
you really get to see from 1930s to early 2000s and all the way from the early
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years of men and women's style.
From the men's side, like Matt Smith as the prince, who Elizabeth would go on to marry,
from his style to all the way through the final years with Dominique West as Prince Charles.
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And the outfits, you even get the Duke of Windsor in there.
Again you know inspired generations
just from his style alone and
so you really get sort of that old world english tailoring
you get the casual aspects of it too as they're traveling i call it you know
the yacht attire sure you know it's just for me seeing how through the ages
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the the fashion really somewhat changed,
but also elements stayed the same and sort of that British aristocracy.
And it was just one of those things I would always find watching the TV show.
Again, I'm always looking for inspiration. So we sell a lot of Abraham moon fabric in England.
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They'll pick a fabric maker. They'll give it a warrant.
So this has a warrant of the queen of England. We have, we sell fabric like that.
So I'm always kind of marrying the fabric that we have that is made in England
with the warrant and kind of how that's applied.
And you really see a lot of that tweed. You see a lot of that.
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You know, just high twist yarn that they're using for, you know,
just their everyday attire.
A lot of double breasts, a lot of, you know, more high-waisted pieces.
Tailoring is great, but I would say a classic, you know, there's no super slim,
there's no, you know, super oversized.
Ages really well. Ages incredibly well. And then as they're taking vacations,
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you're really seeing that casual side come out, which I really love too,
the linens and the, you know, the linen blends.
And so I'm a big fabric nut, as you guys know, I'm always, you know,
what are they wearing and kind of seeing them where it applies to a lot of the stuff that we make.
That was also something that I was kind of constantly paying attention to.
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Yeah. And I think in America, when you're talking menswear, we have of cultivated
our own style of suiting and, you know, formality,
but we're really pulling both from the English proper sartorial inspiration
and then also the Italian. We kind of have a nice blend of that.
So I think with those shows, it's so cool to see even now, like you said,
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I mean, it's a lot of double rested and things like that, that are coming back continually.
And, you know, that boxier, more structured fit, you know, I went through the
nineties and early 2000s and I think still is very prevalent and wonderful today
when you just need a, just a work suit, a business suit, something quite structured.
So yeah, I mean, I think you really cannot sleep on or ignore,
especially today, what that time period did for suiting and will continue to do for suiting forever.
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And the military influence as well. Hugely, hugely.
Yeah. Also And also for me, it stood out, you know, they're not just wearing
a suit and like they're going to wear the full suit, the tie.
Sure. They're going to have the accessories, the pocket square. Yeah.
They do it right. Absolutely. I think we could learn from that.
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I mean, as silly as it sounds, you know, we're filming this on a Friday morning.
Getting up this morning, you know, I work remotely the majority of the time.
But getting up and getting to put on a suit and a tie and, you know,
the accessories and stuff like that, there is something kind of wonderful about it.
And, you know, if I had to do it every day, you know, I probably wouldn't enjoy it as much.
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But there is something that going through those motions and getting prepared
for the day, not to say that I don't normally, but having a certain level of
formality, you kind of go, oh, you know, I'm ready to really do something today.
So, yeah, the ceremony.
Yeah. It is just incredible. For breakfast.
Yeah. You know, I mean, there's something, you know, there's always a longing of times at once for.
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Sure. I know certainly in my house, there will be no getting, putting a suit on.
Until my kids are older at least we need to bring back tails
having the white tie and the morning suits yeah or that absolutely because morning
suits i mean that like where i don't know where would that go we can make them
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how wonderful would it be to go to brunch and think oh i need to get my you
know my full thing right i think it'd be fun yeah.
I just wouldn't want to know where you would go for your tail.
No, I think you bring it back as a society, and then you have plenty of places.
We're slowly but surely bringing the necktie back. We are, yeah.
One thing I will say that I was particularly struck by recently is I noticed
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where there was a photo of King Charles, and there was some mending that I noticed
that had been done to one of his suit jackets that you could openly see with the naked eye.
And to speak to your earlier commentary, you know, it made me think that when
they have a garment made, they have a garment made for life.
And so it's a real testament to that sort of English way, if you will.
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And something that, you know, we certainly can learn from and build upon.
Well, I mean, you look at Savile Row and this is not my pick and it's not on
here, surprisingly, but something worth bringing up is the Kingsman series.
I mean, you have this incredible series that's sort of playing off the tradition
of that English formality.
Huntsman. Yeah, the Huntsman, absolutely. Again, Mr. Porter did a collaboration with that.
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Again, not my pick. I already have my next pick.
I'm incredibly excited about it, but I'm just going to bring it up as an honorable mention.
Perfect, okay. Okay, number three, I'm kind of amazed this made it.
And I kept thinking, oh, someone else is going to pick it, the succession,
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you know, I think the show that brought quiet luxury to the forefront of,
you know, popular culture, you know, Cuccinelli, Zegna, Loro Piana.
I mean, how many Loro Piana hats did they probably sell after?
And I still want one, but you know, what a, we can make one with Loro Piana fabric.
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Yeah. And then it'll say I'm just kidding.
No, but I think a really incredible show, wonderfully written.
Again, just a look at a world, at least I don't think any of us will probably
ever get to see with that level of opulence.
You know, control, but I mean, how cool from the suiting to the watches,
the houses, to the cars and just the, the frivolity and the,
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you know, indulgence, I think is interesting.
And one, again, as a watch guy, you know, something that really set it up for
me, cause I didn't watch until the second season was out and people kept telling
me, Oh, you really need to watch it. You need to watch it.
And I remember in the first episode, you know, Tom and Siobhan are out walking
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around in new york and he wants to get logan a birthday present and it has to be this big thing,
and he gets him a patek flip watch one of my dream watches and something
i hope to own you're here yeah absolutely but
the thing that i thought was so telling and
so cool and something you do see in that world is when
you get to that logan roy
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level things don't mean anything anymore so
he gets this incredible watch that's i would
say for the wrong reasons being given to him and you
know the famous line is hey when you look at this you can tell how rich
you are and then the final shot of that show is he's
just given the watch away without a second thought to a
little kid in their family yeah a little kid in their family it's a very sad
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scene if you haven't seen it but it is such an interesting thing that there's
almost a dismissal of oh you don't you shouldn't want this thing for the loud
reason once it because you truly want it he wears a There's a number of,
I think, Vacherons in there.
Some IWC stuff that's very cool.
But yeah, that show, I mean, just incredible.
And like you were saying a bit with The Crown, you're seeing the corporate,
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you know, wonderful shooting side, but then you're also seeing,
you know, those softer Brunello Cucinelli vests I think he wears in season one.
That's quite cool on so many different things. I mean, also the fashion for
the women's side, I mean.
Yeah, Sarah Vaughan is incredible. Sarah Vaughan, I mean, just phenomenal. Incredible style.
Phenomenal style there, I think.
I mean, we've had a number of women talk about that show, which is also within
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the wheelhouse of things that we can make here.
Sure. So I think it's important to continue having shows like that.
Women, especially that workplace, that power suit, how important that is.
And there's not a lot, at least in Charlotte, that really has that.
And they wear it so effortlessly as well. So effortlessly. I feel like her character
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does. And I think that's something when you're talking about how they wear it
and how, you know, even a great takeaway I would say from that is just wear
your clothes, enjoy them.
I mean, you know, we're all here this morning, we all have this stuff on and
you can just really truly live in it and wear it and enjoy it and not try to
make clothing this like incredibly delicate thing.
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You know, these things are made to be worn and enjoyed.
Great pick. and to add to that yes do
not forget about the shawl cardigan
sweaters right yeah shawl collars that logan
roy wears yeah to me that's a
bit of his suit of armor yeah and what
else isn't on here always fun to watch and again this isn't
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a pick the gentleman they just relaunched
it as a series but the movie the gentleman oh with mcconaughey yeah
yeah yeah there's an incredible cardigan in that as well
yeah anyway pick number three what do you
pick number three so this one is kind of like hard for me
because it's like i picked a tv show that has multiple but i think the power
series on stars specifically power book goes to so the reason i'm picking this
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is like my background in luxury high fashion is the urban side of it i think
you have this show about this drug dealer's son.
And it's showing the time period that, like, he's going to school.
So it's like, these kids don't have that much money, but they're in, like, high fashion.
Everything they wear is either Gucci or Prada. They all have these clothes,
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and it's upstate New York.
So I think it's one of those things with you see it, but it's so well done.
Like, Mary J. Blige is also in it, and she does these great sets that she wears.
So I feel like there's high fashion in it, but you've also got jogger sets,
and then you have lawyers of course because this kid's dealing with his
court case with his dad also you have impeccable suits
that method man wears so i just think with that it's just
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a series as a whole all of them really great style but power book goes to which
is i think getting ready to end this year is it stars yes this is stars so amazing
fashion nice like because i think it's just one of those things even working
in the retail environment previously people were literally asking for whole outfits.
I've had people send me texts of screenshots saying, -"Hey, can I get something
(31:57):
like this?" -"They want everything." Because it's just something about the way
the series is done and 50 Cent does a really great job with his series and the
writers that he has on it.
But it really speaks to that urban lifestyle that you have all of these characters
and everybody's impeccable with it.
I need to see it. A great pick. Check it out, dude. It's a lot of shows.
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Well, I've got a weekend ahead of me.
I'm never scared of those.
Yeah, my thing is I always wish I could go back and watch a show for the first time.
That's my like. Yeah.
That's an enviable position. You hear of friends that are just now discovering,
(32:39):
say, Mad Men. Oh, yeah. I'm like, oh.
Incredible. And they're like, oh, there's a bit of so many. I'm like,
I wish I could watch it for the first time. Do you know what I watched super late was Breaking Bad.
I watched it like a year ago.
And I mean, oh, it's so good. Yeah. It's worth the hype.
All right, Will. All right. What you got? So from the 80s to 2024,
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top of mind, Apple TV Plus' Sugar. Nice.
Distinctly featuring Mr. Colin Farrell. And we won't have spoilers.
No spoilers. I haven't seen it. Because I haven't seen it yet.
He essentially is a PI, a private investigator. And maybe something else?
Totally. And a bit of a crusader, I should call him. So you wait tables or something? Crusader as well.
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But he's just a really complex character and one that really navigates the waters
of Hollywood and all that surrounds this particular show.
There, there's so many elements to it stylistically though, that speak to me.
And, you know, earlier we talked more or less about Don Draper's uniform or
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how his style didn't change throughout the series.
And one thing that I've noticed in particular about Colin's character's style
is that it is sort of formulaic in a way and sort of speaks to his character in the sense that,
He wears a more or less a stark black suit with a white French cuff shirt, typically a dark tie.
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And he also wears suspenders over all of this as well.
And it's just, it's, again, it's something that speaks to me in the sense that
it kind of grounds him as a character.
And it's, to me, from a sartorial perspective, it's something that we see in
a lot of old Hollywood, but we don't see as often in some of the more current
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or modern series television-wise.
So I'm interested to see how it plays out, but it's certainly influenced me
on the day-to-day here recently. L.A.
Confidential, L.A. Noire, Mystery, it's a great show.
Very much so. What era is it in? so it's current
okay because I was like I know I started watching it and I was like this looks
(35:05):
older so there are elements within the show where they'll show clips okay that's
why it looks different the big film buff they'll show clips of film noir and yeah Sugar is okay,
Sugar because it's like you really see the different shading and like when it comes on okay,
so that is my third pick third pick Brad my last pick so I'm gonna go back to USA,
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can I guess it can I guess it I'm currently re-watching it right now I guess
I think it's what we talked about white collar white collar absolutely very
cool let's talk about how narrow a tie you can wear because that,
Neil Caffrey's character I feel like in that show it is skinny skinny skinny
lapels and skinny ties which that was a thing but that was the time period oh
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it was a thing I wanted it I had several that were.
I don't agree with it looking back. Yeah. You know, it's interesting.
So that show started in 2009. Yeah, I believe it.
Crazy to think about. At the time, you think about where we were in 2009.
Things were getting very slim. Sure.
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And I think for me, style is a big vibe in that show.
Yeah. From, you know, all the bad guys in the show are also impeccably dressed.
So it's kind of like, you know, this catch me if you can, suave con man that
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basically he gets to do all these fun things.
He's cultured. He, you know, from an arts perspective, he's great with the ladies.
He is a great dresser and it's a whole lifestyle vibe.
Yeah. And so, you know, for those that have not watched, it's White Collar.
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It's basically about the con man, Matt Ballmer.
He's just, you know, he helps, he's helping the FBI solve crimes.
And, you know, it's a fun show to watch and a lot of callbacks to,
for me, the era of where we were. For sure. Hashtag menswear.
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Also in that show also featured you know
style was a big feature actually you know outside of
the show that was a big way they promoted it was hugely the
style of the show will draw you in it's
funny as well some of the worst marketing plugs
we've ever seen for ford and then bmw oh
my gosh terrible the ford sync system where they
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talk about that and then when the bmw i think it was the bmw 4 series had
just come out and i mean they're talking like oh look
at this voice activated thing i can use to do
in the show yeah directly in the
show written script it was so just again this
is not a a list of of shows
on how good the show is yes but no it
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had a lighter wonderful storyline still the blue
skies usa tv yeah was in
full effect still yeah and uh for those
that don't know that's just you know your usa tv shows
story of the week yeah you know
things usually end up happy sure
yeah sure yeah but no phenomenal show and i
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feel like that show as well ushered in you know
the ability for guys to really own their own style yeah you know before say
2009 we weren't really talking about it there wasn't this open discussion that
you know we're now able to have even you know there was more emphasis placed on the runway way,
(38:45):
if you will, women's fashion to a degree.
And, you know, with shows like white collar, it, it certainly, you know.
You know, had an indelible mark on me and made me think, Hey,
maybe I'm not so different.
Yeah. Maybe it is okay to openly talk about, I'm just kidding.
No, that your style is a part of what makes you interesting.
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Yeah. I think it is a big piece of what I learned, what I kind of gleaned from that.
Absolutely. And I remember, you know, growing up in a smaller town and watching
that, you know, the fedora, I will still never get behind.
I don't think they're okay. I don't think they're good i think a wider hat is
fine he got rid of that after season one uh yeah
yeah i guess a bit but um no i remember i mean there was a guy there was a guy
(39:31):
who was like he wanted to be neil yeah and he put the hat on and then neil was
like losing it after that okay hat's gone yeah but i re-watched the last season
not that long ago and it still made a couple of appearances,
But no, when he was doing like, you know, he would always have a waistcoat on
and stuff like that in high school.
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I remember I would go into H&M and I would get, you know, I couldn't afford
the whole suit, but I could get, you know, the cool vest and then I would go
to Goodwill and thrift, you know, different ties and shirts.
It probably gave you that added bit of confidence. It did. It did. It was a bit funky.
I was working in a surf skate shop in Haines Mall in Winston-Salem,
Maui Knicks. And they're long gone now.
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But our uniform was like a standard t-shirt. But towards the end,
when I was a bit over the job, I would start wearing like a tie and a vest.
And it made no sense. But with that show, I feel like it kind of gave me the
sense of like, oh, this guy's cool.
When we were in high school watching that show in 2009.
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Right. Of course. But I think you bring up a good point, too,
is like seeing things on TV really makes you try to do these things.
Like you see fashion on TV and you're like, oh, that's accessible.
I can make this look like that. So you can go to a thrift store and piece things together.
Yeah. Which I think is super important that like sometimes you see this person
doing this fashion that you're like, can I do that? Yeah.
(40:54):
And then you try it out. Yeah, absolutely. I think style at any price point is very accessible.
Sometimes you have to try a little bit harder and hunt. I know I spent,
you know, many an hour in Goodwill and Salvation Army looking for things.
But truly, you know, if you have a mold of what you're going for,
you can go out and source these things and get into it. I think it's a wonderful thing to do.
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I mean, Neil got his wardrobe at a thrift store. He did. Was it Joan?
What was the character's name? I'm trying to think. I think it was Joan.
She was doing the stuff from her husband.
Yes. Yeah. And it all fit perfectly somehow. Perfectly.
Yeah no that's awesome so
any quick run through
honorable mentions you guys want to throw out we won't spend too long on them
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i would i would say again i also just re-watched both seasons but white lotus
some wonderful resort wear uh and
very not sartorial but still well put together together in its own way.
BRYAN LAMBRECHT JR. (41:52):
Brings you, yeah, just of a vibe.
Yeah. Well, it's actually the second season set in, I think it was Sicily.
Italy, right? Yeah. Italy, but yeah.
Yeah, just incredible all around.
I think it's scandal with Kerry Washington, like, in the white hat.
Like, I mean, any time she was doing— Scandal was a huge influence.
Wonderful, yeah. Especially from the women's side. Yeah. A hundred percent.
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Women's suiting. Like, you see her, and, like, she's ready to do business,
and she's always in this one-color outfit.
And she's just doing it, and it's great, because you're like,
oh, she's wearing red. Oh, she's wearing white. This is going to happen.
Yeah. So I just think she really changed the view of—and actually,
women's power suits came back during that time, too.
Hugely. Because that was a thing that had disappeared for a very long time. Yeah.
(42:34):
Honorable mention. Downton Abbey. Ah, yes. How dare we go from a white tie to a black tie.
I know. That was great. I would have said Downton Abbey if somebody had picked the crown.
But just a lovely show.
Honorable mentions for me, just a couple I had. Mr. Rogers.
Yeah. You know? I mean, comes in, changes into, out of his shoes.
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Cardigan at the end of the show puts it back
there's something always a bit i
don't know i always loved that part even as a kid
sure it just felt so of a purpose yeah
and he showed you how to take care of your things because it's like he had the
galactus too and like he showed you how to take care of your items yes and i
remember i was looking like i was he would open the door and there were just
(43:23):
a couple things in the closet and i'm like yeah minimal i was as minimally inspired
even as a as a six-year-old. So well organized.
He really was. Everything was right there by the little bit.
Something to strive for. Should have kept that one all these years.
Fastidious of Mr. Rogers.
A couple other just honorable mentions we did not get to.
(43:45):
The NBA draft. Yeah. You know, go back 2003.
Look at those suits. We'll put a picture up. Yeah.
To now. If I did not watch it, I will have to watch it this year.
And we've done quite a few suits for the NBA draft, I should say. Nice. At OJ.
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Most recently, I watched the Redeem team on Netflix. Yes. About the 2008 Olympic
team, our basketball team.
And wow. wow, we've changed from a clothing perspective and a fit perspective in particular.
That's the first kind of, you know, intro into you can see where things were fashion as a whole.
(44:28):
And both on and off the court. On and off the court. Absolutely. So interesting as well.
And always at a, this is the extreme level. Yeah. We're at in this year. Sure.
Peaky blinders. Phenomenal. Nobody can pull off that haircut.
Real life sure a lot of us have tried sure hard also i have not watched peaky blinders amazingly.
(44:51):
Oh no kidding oh it's phenomenal yeah yeah and you have that very early turn
of the century british tailoring that's just i mean killer with a you know military influence as well,
slightly shorter pant yeah which isn't always interesting too yeah all right
guys so we will we'll put this up.
(45:11):
We'll have our list for all the millions who care about this thing.
We hope you enjoyed it, guys. Again, we're just having fun here and hopefully
you learned a little something.
At least you have a list of TV shows to go watch. Absolutely. Exactly.
Totally. We'll see you all again soon. Thanks, guys. Thanks,
guys. Thanks. Thanks, everyone.
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Music.
So, So, how about Vanderpump Rules? Never watched it, but it's a phenomenal
restaurant in Vegas. Gosh. It is good. RIP to Villa Blanca.
But, you know, if you're looking for tanks and sneakers.
Yeah. What's your favorite educational content you get out of that?
(45:54):
Like, what do you learn as a person?
I think it's about humanity for me, you know.
Fair. Fair. Fair. For me, perhaps I've made better decisions than I've given
myself credit for over the years.
Vanderpump rules not on our social media show oh we should the next one this
(46:15):
would be fun to do again it would be a reality roundup a reality roundup so
like keeping up with the Kardashians would be good actually,
Scott Disick I mean that is a menswear icon,
not anymore not anymore Lord Disick Lord Disick Lord Disick yeah a not fashion
top 10 yeah maybe we're a little too judgy I think that's just everything else
(46:39):
we didn't mention all right thank you guys thank you thank you absolutely.
Music.
Music.
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Welcome back to Tailored Talks. I am Brad, one of your co-hosts and co-founder
of OMJ Clothing. For this week, we're going to do something a little bit different.
We are going to have a little bit of fun with doing an actual draft of the most stylish TV shows.
A lot of folks may not care too much about fashion that watches this,
(00:55):
or they might love fashion and style.
But one thing I know that a lot of people like is TV shows. So we all here love TV.
Probably watch more TV than we should, but that's okay.
This week, we're going to combine our love for all things in this podcast with
fashion and style and talk about TV shows that we love that also incorporate fashion and style.
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With me today to my right, I have friend and OMJ stylist, Will Jones.
Hey guys. I also, we have OMJ stylist, Kendra Cheeseman. Hi.
And then a special guest today, we have Mr. Noah Williams. By day,
has a regular job like all of, you know, most people. Sure.
That's a good way to put it. And then also one of the most stylish guys in Charlotte.
(01:46):
Oh, thank you. Indeed. The Southeast.
That's a big stretch, but okay, I'll take it. I mean, yeah, I'll take it.
United States. But we've been at, we've known Will...
Known noah for a long time uh he helps us
out with a lot here at omj with our
photography video all the instagram content that
you see a lot of that comes from noah and just
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a big fan of his in general we look forward to having him today and the rules
are simple guys like a normal draft anybody recently watched the nfl draft we
go somebody picks first once a show is picked it's off the board and cannot be picked again.
We will go, Noah, since you're our special guest, you will get to go first.
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Followed by Kendra, Will, myself. We're going to do three rounds.
Try to do three rounds. We'll try.
We'll see how it goes. And without further ado, Noah, you are on the clock with the first pick.
Instantly know where I'm going. So I am going suits.
Suits. 2011 to 2019.
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And this is an interesting one. You know, this is when I was coming,
I would have been junior, sophomore in high school, kind of starting to get interested in style.
And I feel like, it's funny, this is on Netflix now, kind of having,
I feel like, a second wind, a second revival.
But, you know, back in the day, I mean, 2011, 2012, this was, like, the show on USA.
(03:13):
And it was, like, it was that, White Collar, and then I think Burn Notice was maybe still on.
Yeah, Burn Notice was on. Um, but yeah, I mean, Harvey Specter,
you know, that was like my style icon starting out.
He had a lot of, that's when I started to notice and kind of got the appreciation
for like the wider peak lapel.
He had a lot of Dolce and Gabbana, a lot of very early Tom Ford, uh, kind of suiting.
(03:36):
I think some Gucci as well, but just, I mean, impeccably dressed and got better
throughout the seasons.
You know, I can distinctly remember.
I also would watch, uh, watch it when it first came out. Yeah. Yeah.
Mr. Porter. Yep. That was sort of the first Mr.
Porter, for those that don't know, an online store just renowned for impeccable style.
(04:00):
Almost, you know, they carry all the big brands, but also known for the style advice.
And, you know, it's sort of like a safe place you can go if you really enjoy nice, nice pieces.
And they actually did a collab for Suits.
Yep. And that was really the first time I had, seen something
like that in sort of the menswear industry we
(04:23):
had not started omj yet but like you
i really you know the the the lapels are
wider i know it influenced will heavily yeah i literally asked for the harvey
specter look yeah we've had our system our first suit asked for the harvey specter
sure i don't know what i want but i want the the the shirt collar to be really big and Okay, I got you.
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Maybe some of that will rub off on you and you'll feel, you know,
that same kind of empowerment.
But no, it was wonderful. Wonderful show. Awesome show.
Almost like armor. Yeah. Not just a suit. Yeah. Literally a suit of armor.
I'm jealous. That was going to be my first pick.
That's okay. Yeah. What do you got? So I'm going to go a little further back
(05:39):
and show my age. My first pick is going to be Girlfriends.
I feel like it was an iconic television show on the defunct UPN.
No one probably remembers that being like a TV series.
But I think what was really important for me, like at that age in my early 20s,
was seeing these four friends that all had iconic different styles.
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Like you had the quirky one.
You had Joan, the character that was really like well-dressed in high fashion
because she was a lawyer.
But everything's like Manolo Blahnik. And I think looking back at the time watching
the show, I never realized how hard it was to get the products for the show
because of what network it was on.
So a lot of the products they used were Tracee Ellis Ross's own clothes.
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So I think for me that was because they just didn't have the funding because
I didn't think the show was going to be such a hit.
But it ran multiple seasons and it's just always been like that go-to.
Even now watching reruns, you're like, wow, these are amazing.
And she's such a fashion icon even off the screen as well.
And you see she honed everything throughout those years. And so it's just something
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that I always think is amazing to see these four different styles of women that
come together and make amazing fashion on TV. That's awesome. Very nice.
Girlfriends. Girlfriends. Girlfriends it is. I'm always looking for a show.
Yeah, for those that don't, I feel obliged to.
One reason I watch a lot of TV is for the inspiration of what you might see,
(07:11):
but also quite often doing a lot of administrative stuff at night for OMJ because
once the kids go to bed, that's really the only time to get stuff done.
So I feel confident. I probably am going to have seen a lot of the shows that
we talk about today, but I have not seen Girlfriends. So interesting.
All right, Will, you are up with the third pick.
(07:33):
All right. So to piggyback on the inspiration, you know, that you might glean
from a show fashion-wise, Miami Vice, 1984.
A lot of pastels, obviously. Don Johnson in character was, you know,
quite an inspiration for me.
And of course, the product placement is second to none as well.
(07:54):
You had a big influence from Armani to Ferrari for the automobiles,
Rolex for the watches, Ray-Ban Wayfarers, and then the backdrop being 1980s cool or hot Miami.
And for me, I can, you know, to look at a clip of it and I'm immediately transported.
And it's something that I've tried
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to weave into my wardrobe and stylistically, I hold it on a pedestal.
So I strongly encourage you to watch it if you haven't seen it yet.
I've seen, you know, when I was younger, I would, I saw some episodes, but it's been a while.
Yeah. I've seen the new one. Is the old one? No, I'm just kidding.
I'm kidding. I'm kidding.
They did relaunch it recently. I didn't even know there was a new one.
Yeah, yeah. No, there's like- 2006, Colin Farrell, Jamie Foxx, Michael Mann.
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No, but there's a newer than that. There's like a 20. It's like a TV show.
Yeah, 2020 is one, yeah. There's a new TV show. Oh, wow. I have no idea. Okay.
Not known for maybe a sartorial elegance. Yeah, I would say not.
The original. Or good writing. Yeah. That's a shame. Yeah.
All right, Brad, who do you got? All right. I cannot believe it fell to me,
(09:02):
so I'm taking it Mad Men. I knew it.
You guys, I think y'all just threw me a bone here. Yep.
Mad Men, my all-time, I think, favorite show, favorite show,
show, as well as stylish TV show.
I think for me, the key thing I took away from Mad Men is you look at that show going from the late 50s,
(09:29):
early 60s into the 70s by the end of its run.
And you see a very drastic difference in how all the characters are dressing.
So when it begins, you're seeing everybody kind of clean cut, normal suit.
(09:50):
And by the end, you know, it's the 70s and there's sideburns and,
you know, wide lapel polo shirts. And it's really interesting.
But the person who doesn't change is Don Draper.
He was wearing the same thing and he looks great.
And I was just struck by this guy is a serious person despite his extracurriculars,
(10:15):
you know, but from a business perspective, he is,
looks, looks sharp, is dressed well.
Professionally is put together. He's ready to go.
And he compared to how everybody else has changed around him.
He's gonna, he's looking good. He's looking classic, timeless,
(10:38):
and there's a place for that never goes out of style.
And that was kind of my big takeaway is wow.
You know, I think I wanna model that as I go through my career. Yeah.
And yes, there's trends and there's things that are coming and going.
And a lot of people I work with are going to be gravitating to those.
(11:00):
But I think there's always a place for timeless and classic style like Don Draper. Yeah, totally.
Yeah, that's interesting. I mean, you mentioned, again, on the writing side
as someone in media and copywriting and all that stuff.
It's so cool to see the juxtaposition of sort of this chaotic personal life
matched with this seamless and perfect professional life, if you will,
(11:24):
and even getting to see his backstory of how he was selling furs and all that
and then kind of snaked his way.
It's interesting from a watch perspective as well. You know,
you see him wearing a lot of JLC, J.J.
LeCoultre watches in the earlier seasons, and then as you progress through and
things get more casual, He switches to a Rolex Explorer, an early reference
1016, which is a very cool watch and something that I love.
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But I think as you get into that last season, you sort of see this transformation
of, yes, he still has the suiting.
But then when he goes out to California, there's this other cool Americana side
that he taps into stylistically.
That's also really, really cool. And he's doing like the salt flats and all the race car stuff.
I think that was cool as well. Yeah, that, and the, for TV in general,
(12:09):
the one, like, if you want to get, if you want to get Brad to watch your TV
show, have it be about somebody that is really good at their job. Yeah.
Maybe in spite of the turmoil in life. Sure.
And Don was great at his job, despite all the things that he went through,
which I think is real life.
You know, I think everybody goes through, you know, difficult situations and things like that.
(12:32):
Sure. Despite that, being able to still be really good at his job when he was
there and still create that presence by how he dressed was,
I know for me, it was, you know, it was synonymous with, I want to model how
I take my career that way. Sure.
(12:55):
Also, fun fact, I have probably watched the early seasons of Mad Men no fewer
than like eight times. Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, it's just incredibly rewatchable. There was a time in the...
Mid 2010s, like 2015, 2016.
I mean, I'm just doing a ton of work behind the scenes for OMJ.
(13:17):
It was really just myself and Felipe at the time.
So, you know, we were creating websites and we were having to do that ourselves
and write the content and the blog and all the things.
And it had, you know, we were just doing it on a computer and Mad Men was always in the background.
Yeah. Always. ways and i remember i would finish it what
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was available that the series was still going but i would
finish you know whatever was on netflix and just
start it back over and just from there
so yeah nice and don't
sleep on rogers style as well yeah that's a
great style for sure also yeah i style tutor tuxedo
on the wrist yeah i think him too he
(14:03):
would he was always in a suit but he
would he would be a little more adventurous yeah wider lapel.
Wider lapel three piece maybe a brighter color as well yeah
stripe you know something like that which i really enjoyed that
as well so all right so don draper is
my the the work non-draper not the
extracurricular don draper right but that don draper i
(14:24):
think is like my ultimate character inspiration all right
sir second round of starting no you're
up so similar but different i'm
going right on with them ah so you're seeing
a lot of tailoring mixed in in
unique ways so you know you have this incredibly rough boston
(14:45):
gangster mafia adjacent guy you know
in california who's been out there and yet he all
he typically looks quite sharp
right he's got you know incredible denim on great jackets
i think black jacket anston anston shirt makers or
something like that is who makes the shirts white shirt black jacket
yeah incredible though incredible awesome yeah great
(15:08):
look but yeah i mean what a great tv series as well
something with watches as well it's been a while since i've seen it all in his
character being a collector of watches yeah as well yeah there is i do remember
the scene now that you mentioned that where he i think his son wants something
and he opens up a drawer and it's just filled he has like a daytona that he
gives away in one of the seasons That was quite cool.
(15:30):
But, yeah, I mean, Ray Donovan, another very kind of stoic character who's,
you know, not usually on the right, but wants to do the right thing overall.
I think his moral compass for humanity is.
Is there. Yes. I'm not saying he's morally in the law.
Right. But he's a person you can still root for because you know in their core.
(15:55):
Yeah. They are wanting to do what's right. Sure. Sure. Absolutely.
Yeah. But no, Ray Donovan, pick number two.
Just such a buttoned up, great looking guy.
And yeah, that's my second pick. I love it. Great. All right.
Kendra. I'm going with Gossip Girl. Gossip. Nice.
Chuck Bass. That's what I was going to say. Like Blair and Chuck Bass always
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had these iconic looks on.
Everyone on the show was always dressed to the nine.
But I think the really big thing is even the older one and the newer one,
even though I've like aged out from watching the newer one, but all of it's like high top fashion.
There was nothing left out from that show. And I think it started trends,
like, back in the day when Blair had the little pins in her hair.
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No one was doing that, and she brought it back completely.
So I think it's just, like, the little pretty frilly dresses on the steps of
the Met, everything was just the style that you base things off of.
And the men were always well-dressed, too. So I kind of give that creative director
kudos on that, because it just always looked very sharp.
Yeah. And Dan. Dan had some nice kind of grunge street style adjacent.
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Well, because they had to make it like that because it was like the dichotomy
of the income levels, too.
Yeah. But Chuck Bass, he killed it style. Yeah. Holistically.
Definitely. And extracurricular. Extracurricular.
Again, not one that we would endorse necessarily. But no, it is an interesting
look at and having lived in New York briefly.
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I mean, it really is the haves and have-nots. There's not a lot of middle ground.
So seeing those two different worlds, I think was really interesting.
And such a mysteriousness around, you know, the entire show as well.
Because you had to know who is Gossip Girl. From character to the clothes,
to the dialogue in between, just always fun to watch. One of my personal favorites as well.
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All right, so I'm staying in the 1980s. Okay.
I'm going with the covetable Remington Steele. Oh, there you go. Nice.
I'm a massive Pierce Brosnan fan, and this is one of his earliest forays into television, really.
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And he did it so seamlessly. He really hit upon the golden age of Hollywood. would.
His character even would often reference quotes by Humphrey Bogart.
And just the way he moved in his clothing as well was something that always
struck me on the show and definitely was a formidable,
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you know, force satorially, especially early on when I was taking note of how,
you know, guys were dressing and specifically looking at this element of high-low fashion.
You would often see him say in a pair of Wrangler jeans, but,
you know, with a Christian Dior top, which I always thought was really interesting as well.
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I often would think that camel hair jacket would look good on me too.
So that's a staple of my wardrobe and one that will always, you know,
be a staple of my wardrobe.
So one of my favorite shows and, you know, I highly recommend you guys watching
it Yeah, I've never seen it.
I'm adding it to my list here. He's a suave Irishman, that's for sure.
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But he does the character quite some justice, especially from a clothes perspective.
But such an immense talent as well. Awesome.
All right. All right, Brad, who do you got? So for my number two pick,
I'm going with The Crown. The Crown.
Nice. The crown. So the crown just wrapped up this year.
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2016 is when it started. For those that don't know, the crown is a life.
I don't know how accurately based,
but I'm going to pretend that it's 100% accurately based on the queen,
the royals, and follows really from the early years of Queen Elizabeth before she was a queen.
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Sure. and just the way they would do it is every two years they would get a new cast and so just,
amazingly done from a show perspective again we're
not this draft is not how good this show is necessarily but from a style perspective
you really get to see from 1930s to early 2000s and all the way from the early
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years of men and women's style.
From the men's side, like Matt Smith as the prince, who Elizabeth would go on to marry,
from his style to all the way through the final years with Dominique West as Prince Charles.
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And the outfits, you even get the Duke of Windsor in there.
Again you know inspired generations
just from his style alone and
so you really get sort of that old world english tailoring
you get the casual aspects of it too as they're traveling i call it you know
the yacht attire sure you know it's just for me seeing how through the ages
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the the fashion really somewhat changed,
but also elements stayed the same and sort of that British aristocracy.
And it was just one of those things I would always find watching the TV show.
Again, I'm always looking for inspiration. So we sell a lot of Abraham moon fabric in England.
(21:44):
They'll pick a fabric maker. They'll give it a warrant.
So this has a warrant of the queen of England. We have, we sell fabric like that.
So I'm always kind of marrying the fabric that we have that is made in England
with the warrant and kind of how that's applied.
And you really see a lot of that tweed. You see a lot of that.
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You know, just high twist yarn that they're using for, you know,
just their everyday attire.
A lot of double breasts, a lot of, you know, more high-waisted pieces.
Tailoring is great, but I would say a classic, you know, there's no super slim,
there's no, you know, super oversized.
Ages really well. Ages incredibly well. And then as they're taking vacations,
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you're really seeing that casual side come out, which I really love too,
the linens and the, you know, the linen blends.
And so I'm a big fabric nut, as you guys know, I'm always, you know,
what are they wearing and kind of seeing them where it applies to a lot of the stuff that we make.
That was also something that I was kind of constantly paying attention to.
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Yeah. And I think in America, when you're talking menswear, we have of cultivated
our own style of suiting and, you know, formality,
but we're really pulling both from the English proper sartorial inspiration
and then also the Italian. We kind of have a nice blend of that.
So I think with those shows, it's so cool to see even now, like you said,
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I mean, it's a lot of double rested and things like that, that are coming back continually.
And, you know, that boxier, more structured fit, you know, I went through the
nineties and early 2000s and I think still is very prevalent and wonderful today
when you just need a, just a work suit, a business suit, something quite structured.
So yeah, I mean, I think you really cannot sleep on or ignore,
especially today, what that time period did for suiting and will continue to do for suiting forever.
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And the military influence as well. Hugely, hugely.
Yeah. Also And also for me, it stood out, you know, they're not just wearing
a suit and like they're going to wear the full suit, the tie.
Sure. They're going to have the accessories, the pocket square. Yeah.
They do it right. Absolutely. I think we could learn from that.
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I mean, as silly as it sounds, you know, we're filming this on a Friday morning.
Getting up this morning, you know, I work remotely the majority of the time.
But getting up and getting to put on a suit and a tie and, you know,
the accessories and stuff like that, there is something kind of wonderful about it.
And, you know, if I had to do it every day, you know, I probably wouldn't enjoy it as much.
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But there is something that going through those motions and getting prepared
for the day, not to say that I don't normally, but having a certain level of
formality, you kind of go, oh, you know, I'm ready to really do something today.
So, yeah, the ceremony.
Yeah. It is just incredible. For breakfast.
Yeah. You know, I mean, there's something, you know, there's always a longing of times at once for.
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Sure. I know certainly in my house, there will be no getting, putting a suit on.
Until my kids are older at least we need to bring back tails
having the white tie and the morning suits yeah or that absolutely because morning
suits i mean that like where i don't know where would that go we can make them
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how wonderful would it be to go to brunch and think oh i need to get my you
know my full thing right i think it'd be fun yeah.
I just wouldn't want to know where you would go for your tail.
No, I think you bring it back as a society, and then you have plenty of places.
We're slowly but surely bringing the necktie back. We are, yeah.
One thing I will say that I was particularly struck by recently is I noticed
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where there was a photo of King Charles, and there was some mending that I noticed
that had been done to one of his suit jackets that you could openly see with the naked eye.
And to speak to your earlier commentary, you know, it made me think that when
they have a garment made, they have a garment made for life.
And so it's a real testament to that sort of English way, if you will.
(25:58):
And something that, you know, we certainly can learn from and build upon.
Well, I mean, you look at Savile Row and this is not my pick and it's not on
here, surprisingly, but something worth bringing up is the Kingsman series.
I mean, you have this incredible series that's sort of playing off the tradition
of that English formality.
Huntsman. Yeah, the Huntsman, absolutely. Again, Mr. Porter did a collaboration with that.
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Again, not my pick. I already have my next pick.
I'm incredibly excited about it, but I'm just going to bring it up as an honorable mention.
Perfect, okay. Okay, number three, I'm kind of amazed this made it.
And I kept thinking, oh, someone else is going to pick it, the succession,
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you know, I think the show that brought quiet luxury to the forefront of,
you know, popular culture, you know, Cuccinelli, Zegna, Loro Piana.
I mean, how many Loro Piana hats did they probably sell after?
And I still want one, but you know, what a, we can make one with Loro Piana fabric.
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Yeah. And then it'll say I'm just kidding.
No, but I think a really incredible show, wonderfully written.
Again, just a look at a world, at least I don't think any of us will probably
ever get to see with that level of opulence.
You know, control, but I mean, how cool from the suiting to the watches,
the houses, to the cars and just the, the frivolity and the,
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you know, indulgence, I think is interesting.
And one, again, as a watch guy, you know, something that really set it up for
me, cause I didn't watch until the second season was out and people kept telling
me, Oh, you really need to watch it. You need to watch it.
And I remember in the first episode, you know, Tom and Siobhan are out walking
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around in new york and he wants to get logan a birthday present and it has to be this big thing,
and he gets him a patek flip watch one of my dream watches and something
i hope to own you're here yeah absolutely but
the thing that i thought was so telling and
so cool and something you do see in that world is when
you get to that logan roy
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level things don't mean anything anymore so
he gets this incredible watch that's i would
say for the wrong reasons being given to him and you
know the famous line is hey when you look at this you can tell how rich
you are and then the final shot of that show is he's
just given the watch away without a second thought to a
little kid in their family yeah a little kid in their family it's a very sad
(28:32):
scene if you haven't seen it but it is such an interesting thing that there's
almost a dismissal of oh you don't you shouldn't want this thing for the loud
reason once it because you truly want it he wears a There's a number of,
I think, Vacherons in there.
Some IWC stuff that's very cool.
But yeah, that show, I mean, just incredible.
And like you were saying a bit with The Crown, you're seeing the corporate,
(28:55):
you know, wonderful shooting side, but then you're also seeing,
you know, those softer Brunello Cucinelli vests I think he wears in season one.
That's quite cool on so many different things. I mean, also the fashion for
the women's side, I mean.
Yeah, Sarah Vaughan is incredible. Sarah Vaughan, I mean, just phenomenal. Incredible style.
Phenomenal style there, I think.
I mean, we've had a number of women talk about that show, which is also within
(29:19):
the wheelhouse of things that we can make here.
Sure. So I think it's important to continue having shows like that.
Women, especially that workplace, that power suit, how important that is.
And there's not a lot, at least in Charlotte, that really has that.
And they wear it so effortlessly as well. So effortlessly. I feel like her character
(29:39):
does. And I think that's something when you're talking about how they wear it
and how, you know, even a great takeaway I would say from that is just wear
your clothes, enjoy them.
I mean, you know, we're all here this morning, we all have this stuff on and
you can just really truly live in it and wear it and enjoy it and not try to
make clothing this like incredibly delicate thing.
(29:59):
You know, these things are made to be worn and enjoyed.
Great pick. and to add to that yes do
not forget about the shawl cardigan
sweaters right yeah shawl collars that logan
roy wears yeah to me that's a
bit of his suit of armor yeah and what
else isn't on here always fun to watch and again this isn't
(30:22):
a pick the gentleman they just relaunched
it as a series but the movie the gentleman oh with mcconaughey yeah
yeah yeah there's an incredible cardigan in that as well
yeah anyway pick number three what do you
pick number three so this one is kind of like hard for me
because it's like i picked a tv show that has multiple but i think the power
series on stars specifically power book goes to so the reason i'm picking this
(30:48):
is like my background in luxury high fashion is the urban side of it i think
you have this show about this drug dealer's son.
And it's showing the time period that, like, he's going to school.
So it's like, these kids don't have that much money, but they're in, like, high fashion.
Everything they wear is either Gucci or Prada. They all have these clothes,
(31:10):
and it's upstate New York.
So I think it's one of those things with you see it, but it's so well done.
Like, Mary J. Blige is also in it, and she does these great sets that she wears.
So I feel like there's high fashion in it, but you've also got jogger sets,
and then you have lawyers of course because this kid's dealing with his
court case with his dad also you have impeccable suits
that method man wears so i just think with that it's just
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a series as a whole all of them really great style but power book goes to which
is i think getting ready to end this year is it stars yes this is stars so amazing
fashion nice like because i think it's just one of those things even working
in the retail environment previously people were literally asking for whole outfits.
I've had people send me texts of screenshots saying, -"Hey, can I get something
(31:57):
like this?" -"They want everything." Because it's just something about the way
the series is done and 50 Cent does a really great job with his series and the
writers that he has on it.
But it really speaks to that urban lifestyle that you have all of these characters
and everybody's impeccable with it.
I need to see it. A great pick. Check it out, dude. It's a lot of shows.
(32:19):
Well, I've got a weekend ahead of me.
I'm never scared of those.
Yeah, my thing is I always wish I could go back and watch a show for the first time.
That's my like. Yeah.
That's an enviable position. You hear of friends that are just now discovering,
(32:39):
say, Mad Men. Oh, yeah. I'm like, oh.
Incredible. And they're like, oh, there's a bit of so many. I'm like,
I wish I could watch it for the first time. Do you know what I watched super late was Breaking Bad.
I watched it like a year ago.
And I mean, oh, it's so good. Yeah. It's worth the hype.
All right, Will. All right. What you got? So from the 80s to 2024,
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top of mind, Apple TV Plus' Sugar. Nice.
Distinctly featuring Mr. Colin Farrell. And we won't have spoilers.
No spoilers. I haven't seen it. Because I haven't seen it yet.
He essentially is a PI, a private investigator. And maybe something else?
Totally. And a bit of a crusader, I should call him. So you wait tables or something? Crusader as well.
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But he's just a really complex character and one that really navigates the waters
of Hollywood and all that surrounds this particular show.
There, there's so many elements to it stylistically though, that speak to me.
And, you know, earlier we talked more or less about Don Draper's uniform or
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how his style didn't change throughout the series.
And one thing that I've noticed in particular about Colin's character's style
is that it is sort of formulaic in a way and sort of speaks to his character in the sense that,
He wears a more or less a stark black suit with a white French cuff shirt, typically a dark tie.
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And he also wears suspenders over all of this as well.
And it's just, it's, again, it's something that speaks to me in the sense that
it kind of grounds him as a character.
And it's, to me, from a sartorial perspective, it's something that we see in
a lot of old Hollywood, but we don't see as often in some of the more current
(34:42):
or modern series television-wise.
So I'm interested to see how it plays out, but it's certainly influenced me
on the day-to-day here recently. L.A.
Confidential, L.A. Noire, Mystery, it's a great show.
Very much so. What era is it in? so it's current
okay because I was like I know I started watching it and I was like this looks
(35:05):
older so there are elements within the show where they'll show clips okay that's
why it looks different the big film buff they'll show clips of film noir and yeah Sugar is okay,
Sugar because it's like you really see the different shading and like when it comes on okay,
so that is my third pick third pick Brad my last pick so I'm gonna go back to USA,
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can I guess it can I guess it I'm currently re-watching it right now I guess
I think it's what we talked about white collar white collar absolutely very
cool let's talk about how narrow a tie you can wear because that,
Neil Caffrey's character I feel like in that show it is skinny skinny skinny
lapels and skinny ties which that was a thing but that was the time period oh
(35:54):
it was a thing I wanted it I had several that were.
I don't agree with it looking back. Yeah. You know, it's interesting.
So that show started in 2009. Yeah, I believe it.
Crazy to think about. At the time, you think about where we were in 2009.
Things were getting very slim. Sure.
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And I think for me, style is a big vibe in that show.
Yeah. From, you know, all the bad guys in the show are also impeccably dressed.
So it's kind of like, you know, this catch me if you can, suave con man that
(36:37):
basically he gets to do all these fun things.
He's cultured. He, you know, from an arts perspective, he's great with the ladies.
He is a great dresser and it's a whole lifestyle vibe.
Yeah. And so, you know, for those that have not watched, it's White Collar.
(36:57):
It's basically about the con man, Matt Ballmer.
He's just, you know, he helps, he's helping the FBI solve crimes.
And, you know, it's a fun show to watch and a lot of callbacks to,
for me, the era of where we were. For sure. Hashtag menswear.
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Also in that show also featured you know
style was a big feature actually you know outside of
the show that was a big way they promoted it was hugely the
style of the show will draw you in it's
funny as well some of the worst marketing plugs
we've ever seen for ford and then bmw oh
my gosh terrible the ford sync system where they
(37:40):
talk about that and then when the bmw i think it was the bmw 4 series had
just come out and i mean they're talking like oh look
at this voice activated thing i can use to do
in the show yeah directly in the
show written script it was so just again this
is not a a list of of shows
on how good the show is yes but no it
(38:03):
had a lighter wonderful storyline still the blue
skies usa tv yeah was in
full effect still yeah and uh for those
that don't know that's just you know your usa tv shows
story of the week yeah you know
things usually end up happy sure
yeah sure yeah but no phenomenal show and i
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feel like that show as well ushered in you know
the ability for guys to really own their own style yeah you know before say
2009 we weren't really talking about it there wasn't this open discussion that
you know we're now able to have even you know there was more emphasis placed on the runway way,
(38:45):
if you will, women's fashion to a degree.
And, you know, with shows like white collar, it, it certainly, you know.
You know, had an indelible mark on me and made me think, Hey,
maybe I'm not so different.
Yeah. Maybe it is okay to openly talk about, I'm just kidding.
No, that your style is a part of what makes you interesting.
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Yeah. I think it is a big piece of what I learned, what I kind of gleaned from that.
Absolutely. And I remember, you know, growing up in a smaller town and watching
that, you know, the fedora, I will still never get behind.
I don't think they're okay. I don't think they're good i think a wider hat is
fine he got rid of that after season one uh yeah
yeah i guess a bit but um no i remember i mean there was a guy there was a guy
(39:31):
who was like he wanted to be neil yeah and he put the hat on and then neil was
like losing it after that okay hat's gone yeah but i re-watched the last season
not that long ago and it still made a couple of appearances,
But no, when he was doing like, you know, he would always have a waistcoat on
and stuff like that in high school.
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I remember I would go into H&M and I would get, you know, I couldn't afford
the whole suit, but I could get, you know, the cool vest and then I would go
to Goodwill and thrift, you know, different ties and shirts.
It probably gave you that added bit of confidence. It did. It did. It was a bit funky.
I was working in a surf skate shop in Haines Mall in Winston-Salem,
Maui Knicks. And they're long gone now.
(40:13):
But our uniform was like a standard t-shirt. But towards the end,
when I was a bit over the job, I would start wearing like a tie and a vest.
And it made no sense. But with that show, I feel like it kind of gave me the
sense of like, oh, this guy's cool.
When we were in high school watching that show in 2009.
(40:33):
Right. Of course. But I think you bring up a good point, too,
is like seeing things on TV really makes you try to do these things.
Like you see fashion on TV and you're like, oh, that's accessible.
I can make this look like that. So you can go to a thrift store and piece things together.
Yeah. Which I think is super important that like sometimes you see this person
doing this fashion that you're like, can I do that? Yeah.
(40:54):
And then you try it out. Yeah, absolutely. I think style at any price point is very accessible.
Sometimes you have to try a little bit harder and hunt. I know I spent,
you know, many an hour in Goodwill and Salvation Army looking for things.
But truly, you know, if you have a mold of what you're going for,
you can go out and source these things and get into it. I think it's a wonderful thing to do.
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I mean, Neil got his wardrobe at a thrift store. He did. Was it Joan?
What was the character's name? I'm trying to think. I think it was Joan.
She was doing the stuff from her husband.
Yes. Yeah. And it all fit perfectly somehow. Perfectly.
Yeah no that's awesome so
any quick run through
honorable mentions you guys want to throw out we won't spend too long on them
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i would i would say again i also just re-watched both seasons but white lotus
some wonderful resort wear uh and
very not sartorial but still well put together together in its own way.
BRYAN LAMBRECHT JR. (41:52):
Brings you, yeah, just of a vibe.
Yeah. Well, it's actually the second season set in, I think it was Sicily.
Italy, right? Yeah. Italy, but yeah.
Yeah, just incredible all around.
I think it's scandal with Kerry Washington, like, in the white hat.
Like, I mean, any time she was doing— Scandal was a huge influence.
Wonderful, yeah. Especially from the women's side. Yeah. A hundred percent.
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Women's suiting. Like, you see her, and, like, she's ready to do business,
and she's always in this one-color outfit.
And she's just doing it, and it's great, because you're like,
oh, she's wearing red. Oh, she's wearing white. This is going to happen.
Yeah. So I just think she really changed the view of—and actually,
women's power suits came back during that time, too.
Hugely. Because that was a thing that had disappeared for a very long time. Yeah.
(42:34):
Honorable mention. Downton Abbey. Ah, yes. How dare we go from a white tie to a black tie.
I know. That was great. I would have said Downton Abbey if somebody had picked the crown.
But just a lovely show.
Honorable mentions for me, just a couple I had. Mr. Rogers.
Yeah. You know? I mean, comes in, changes into, out of his shoes.
(43:00):
Cardigan at the end of the show puts it back
there's something always a bit i
don't know i always loved that part even as a kid
sure it just felt so of a purpose yeah
and he showed you how to take care of your things because it's like he had the
galactus too and like he showed you how to take care of your items yes and i
remember i was looking like i was he would open the door and there were just
(43:23):
a couple things in the closet and i'm like yeah minimal i was as minimally inspired
even as a as a six-year-old. So well organized.
He really was. Everything was right there by the little bit.
Something to strive for. Should have kept that one all these years.
Fastidious of Mr. Rogers.
A couple other just honorable mentions we did not get to.
(43:45):
The NBA draft. Yeah. You know, go back 2003.
Look at those suits. We'll put a picture up. Yeah.
To now. If I did not watch it, I will have to watch it this year.
And we've done quite a few suits for the NBA draft, I should say. Nice. At OJ.
(44:05):
Most recently, I watched the Redeem team on Netflix. Yes. About the 2008 Olympic
team, our basketball team.
And wow. wow, we've changed from a clothing perspective and a fit perspective in particular.
That's the first kind of, you know, intro into you can see where things were fashion as a whole.
(44:28):
And both on and off the court. On and off the court. Absolutely. So interesting as well.
And always at a, this is the extreme level. Yeah. We're at in this year. Sure.
Peaky blinders. Phenomenal. Nobody can pull off that haircut.
Real life sure a lot of us have tried sure hard also i have not watched peaky blinders amazingly.
(44:51):
Oh no kidding oh it's phenomenal yeah yeah and you have that very early turn
of the century british tailoring that's just i mean killer with a you know military influence as well,
slightly shorter pant yeah which isn't always interesting too yeah all right
guys so we will we'll put this up.
(45:11):
We'll have our list for all the millions who care about this thing.
We hope you enjoyed it, guys. Again, we're just having fun here and hopefully
you learned a little something.
At least you have a list of TV shows to go watch. Absolutely. Exactly.
Totally. We'll see you all again soon. Thanks, guys. Thanks,
guys. Thanks. Thanks, everyone.
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Music.
So, So, how about Vanderpump Rules? Never watched it, but it's a phenomenal
restaurant in Vegas. Gosh. It is good. RIP to Villa Blanca.
But, you know, if you're looking for tanks and sneakers.
Yeah. What's your favorite educational content you get out of that?
(45:54):
Like, what do you learn as a person?
I think it's about humanity for me, you know.
Fair. Fair. Fair. For me, perhaps I've made better decisions than I've given
myself credit for over the years.
Vanderpump rules not on our social media show oh we should the next one this
(46:15):
would be fun to do again it would be a reality roundup a reality roundup so
like keeping up with the Kardashians would be good actually,
Scott Disick I mean that is a menswear icon,
not anymore not anymore Lord Disick Lord Disick Lord Disick yeah a not fashion
top 10 yeah maybe we're a little too judgy I think that's just everything else
(46:39):
we didn't mention all right thank you guys thank you thank you absolutely.
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