Welcome to the Actor's Guide Podcast, Episode 26!
E-Kan has come back from his travels - you’ll hear what far off place he visited and why he prefers a little danger on his trips. Ryan Coogler, Sinners, and its huge opening weekend are all the talk in Hollywood, but is it getting enough credit? And why is it making Hollywood studios scared? E-Kan and Rían break down Coogler’s unique deal with the studio, why it challenges traditional Hollywood contracts, and whether we should expect to see more of the same in Hollywood.
Then E-Kan talks about his recent experience going to an industry screening and reception with Michael Fassbender, Richard Gere, and Jeffrey Wright, and how weird the energy is at networking events. This gets them on the often-dreaded question actors face- “So what have you been in?”. They explore why it’s so hated and what we can learn from it. We’re back in the saddle, everyone, and this one goes deep.
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Kara Mayer Robinson’s podcast “Really Famous” https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/really-famous-with-kara-mayer-robinson/id1231521180
Sinner’s box office success -https://movieweb.com/sinners-ryan-coogler-warner-bros-ownership-dealexplained/#:~:text=Coogler%20isn't%20the%20first,Upon%20a%20Time%20in%20Hollywood
Hidden Gems: Woody Harrelson’s the Woods Cafe - https://thewoodsweho.com/ Mint Pearls for travel and nausea - https://www.daburinternational.com/uae/product/dabur-pudin-hara-pearls
Time stamps:
(00:00) Intro
(01:30) E-Kan's travels
(08:00) Coogler and Sinners box office success
(10:10) Breaking down Coogler's deal
(14:30) Variety gets called out
(18:45) The Agency panel with Fassbender
(21:30) The question actors hate
(24:45) Are actors more zen?
(27:20) Hidden Gems
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
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(00:03):
Hey guys, welcome to the actor's guide to
the end of the world podcast where we
talk about acting in
Hollywood in a way people understand
I'm E-Kan Soong and this is
Rían Sheehy Kelly, how's it going? What's up,
buddy? We are back in the saddles back at
the mic on the show for today
We are going to talk a little bit about
my trip. I'm back from my travels
We're also going to talk about Ryan
(00:24):
Coogler and sinners
big box office weekend
the deal that Ryan Coogler got from the
studios and why
everyone's talking about it and
We also get into a question that happens
a lot at networking events
The dreaded question
actors hate to answer
So what have you been in we get into all
(00:46):
that and more this episode
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wondering I went to Egypt and
It was a blast it was I highly recommend
it if anyone gets a chance
When I go on vacation or when I go
abroad, I kind of want some adventure. I
Kind of want a little danger
Like the unknown be in a place where you
(01:51):
don't understand their
language and how much danger I?
Can handle a little out of danger. I can
handle good about danger.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah
Tell me more. I'm curious to test your
limits here of danger here
your danger limit, you know
Well, the one thing I
will say about Egypt
like many places
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If you listen to mainstream media or
whatever happens in the news a lot of
times people are a little afraid
They're not sure about the danger.
They're not sure about whether they
should visit and I have 100%
Would go back gladly
and um I almost feel more inclined to
tell people about my travels
(02:32):
because I want to help their
Tourism because they want more people to
experience their country. Yeah, I
appreciate that to your
point about how much danger
I'm looking for I did a
great trip over in Australia and
My sister was doing a grant and I hitched
along and I was like hey, let me go let
me go out there with you
(02:53):
We started at the
Great Barrier Reef. We got
Certified for scuba diving
at the Great Barrier Reef
Do you want to her
program in Melbourne and then I?
Traveled by you said Melbourne with a
very Australian accent
there out of respect. I
That's the small little pickup that I got
(03:14):
from Australia. Anyway, so I traveled
down the coast of Australia from Cairns
The way you said Cairns as well
Taught me right off
So you actually know what
the Nazis these cities, huh?
Well, I know how they pronounce them and
I know how I pronounce them
and it's slightly different
So yeah, I don't respect I try to
pronounce these cities correctly
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anyway, so I traveled by bus and stayed
in hostels all the way down the coast and
it was great my point is is as
Adventurous as that was and it was great
kind of like living
by the seat of my pants
It felt kind of like, California
Yeah, like I mean I don't want to
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disrespect it. I had a great time
It's great weather you get
to surf you're on the water
Australia people love and appreciate
nature animals outdoor
Wildlife if you love that stuff you're
gonna love Australia my point is is I can
understand why
Australians love LA because
It's kind of similar climates
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It's kind of similarly backed by and I
was like I went half across the world and
it kind of reminds me of LA
Um, I did go to Fiji on the
way out. But my point is is is
If I'm going to do a big trip, I kind of
want to feel like I'm not gonna lie
I felt like Indiana Jones. I
(04:37):
Gone only camel wants and I felt like
Indiana Jones. I mean that's kind of like
what that's kind of like what I was
What I was looking for
So if you don't get in a knife fight or
you know solve some kind of yeah
mysteries. It's not a holiday
Yeah, so that's kind of like my of my
spectrum for adventure
Okay, that's a good. That's a good
adventure. I feel like
and this goes a lot with
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My how I look at acting acting provides
danger that normal society doesn't you
know, that's how I look at it
That's kind of like why I gravitated to
it. Go on. That's kind of how
I look at or in general where
sometimes normal society and
Cultural norms are just so boring. You
need an outlet to explore something
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that's broader something
that's more interesting
That's how I look at in general
interesting. Did you go off and explore
on your own in Egypt?
Did you know I can track and I did not I
did not we had a pretty tight itinerary
We were on a cruise ship for five days
So I I really had to be with everyone and
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and I'm not gonna lie speaking of danger
Um, and you probably have noticed this
and and a lot of cities probably kind of
have this there's no pedestrian walkways
You know, obviously it's not
really a walking around town
Meaning that if you're in any major city
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It's it's up to you to survive if you
want to cross the street
Right so that that's just standard that
these are the things and I'll eventually
be able to talk more about the trip
and I'll probably put my
stuff on YouTube later on but um
Middle things like that where we're very
fortunate to have local guides
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Guiding you, you know the language
barrier just knowing the cultural norms
But you absolutely do not have right
away. Don't expect right
away. You're going to get hit
This this has tripped me up in
Ireland as well in California
Predestines are traded, you know with kid
clothes. They're like, oh
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if they step on the road
You got the right away, which
is kind of mental to be honest
But yeah, I forget that cuz I get used to
it and I went I was home in Ireland a
Couple of times where I've stepped onto
the road expecting the grass to stop and
they just look at me and just blow past
I'm like yeah a hundred percent
I think it's a good skill to have and
kind of going back to the
whole need for adventure
I feel like we're very
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protected by well, I mean
relatively
American norms and values
I feel like there's a sense of
entitlement to be like I'm gonna step
into the road right now. I have rights
You need to obey that
Yeah, which is insane. There's no there's
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no lanes and you probably there
That's a lot of Italy is probably
similar, but there's absolutely no lanes
when you're driving. So it's understood
That cars are going to tap and kiss each
other non-stop and that's normal
That's just it's normally bumper cars
That'd be fascinating if that was the
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case here with like white Tesla's going
all chariots of fire on the 405. I
Know I know it actually is kind of fun
when you're watching traffic in Egypt
All right. So uh that that's it nothing
but love but for Egypt and
I'm sure we'll talk about in the future.
But um, so word around
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town. Let's talk about sinners
It's causing quite the stir for a handful
of things. First of
all, it's a huge success
One of the best
reviewed movies in recent times
Considering it's an original film. So you
have Ryan Coogler you have Michael B
Jordan playing twins
So he's playing two roles in the movie.
It's a horror vampire film. So I know I
(08:29):
know how much you love horror films
So I yeah, I don't like scary horror
films. I don't blame you man
If you don't know Ryan Coogler, he blew
up with Michael B Jordan. He did
Fruitvale Station and indie film hit
He is the Creed franchise. He directed
Black Panther. He's one of the top young
directors in the game
(08:50):
And this is an original film made a lot
of money 60 million opening weekend. This
is where it got
interesting opening weekend
Ben Stiller called out variety
because their headline of the article was
60 million dollar
opening for original film
but it costs 90 million
and they're still
(09:12):
Exactly. They're still
Uh a ways away from making a profit
So that was their opening
headline and Ben Stiller
They've merely tweeted this out and goes
at what point do you have a 60 million
dollar original film?
warranting this headline
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So so in a world where
we're just dying for good news
Like literally we you and I and many
others are just dying for good news
And that's the that's the headline that
variety puts out variety
is just killing the vibe
Exactly. So this this kind of goes into a
deeper issue. You have a black filmmaker
Um, it's dead in the south
(09:56):
I heard it's I mean, it's it's one of the
best reviewed films in
in
in a while
Yeah, I haven't heard anything bad about
it so far and then it
gets interesting because
The details came out about
the deal that ryan kugler
Was negotiating to get this movie made
(10:16):
He was shopping this movie around studios
many studios would want it
um
What was on the table
was he gets final cut?
Which obviously for top directors they
Get that they negotiate
for that he gets final cut
He also will get a percentage of first
gross which means that
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When ticket sales comes in
he's going to start to get paid
Versus waiting for the studio to get paid
all their money and recoup their
investment and then and
everyone else gets paid
Do you get what i'm saying? Wait say say
break that say say that
again. So yeah normally
normally a studio finances a movie
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Yeah, all the ticket box office sales
It goes to the studio until
they make all their money back
Right, they they put the money in
They take the wrist
And then they make all their
money back and then after that
Is the director the talent and all that
stuff for after they make
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their money back hypothetically
Start getting some of the profits exactly
and this kind of goes into what we talked
about with sing sing how
Their their deal was way
You know way different and way more uh
creative friendly. You know what I mean?
It's it's it's funny. I I
because I saw just a video online
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um of
jelly roll
Talking about a record deal. Did you see
this he was talking about a record deal
and and he's explaining to like
You know up and coming artists. This is
how a record deal works. He's like i'm
gonna save you a lot of
You know time and stress
So say a record label goes here's a
million dollars to make an album. We're
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going to give you a million dollars
To make this album. They
they pay that up front whatever
when the album starts
to sell or whatever they
Know you don't get a you know, you don't
get a penny from that until they make
their million dollars back
Right, so they have to they have to make
that back first and then in addition the
split will be 70 30 in favor of
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The record company because they've put up
the money so they will
then anything after that
They take 70 and you take 30 percent
So in addition to making back their
original investment now, they're also
taking 70 of the profits
After that, so that's why it's so hard
for artists to make
money off albums anymore
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and album sales
I don't know if that's applicable here or
if it's comparable, but like it was just
it was an interesting
I didn't realize that like it
was so much in favor of a label
I didn't realize how similar the music
industry was with the film industry
because that's actually that's actually
very similar to what happens with the
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The movie studios that's how hard it is
to make it as a creative person
and I might so that's kind of
going into why so much of the
The talk of this is ryan kugler's deal
So he's getting a
first cut of the grosses
Which big directors get he's getting
final cut and then the
icing on the cake. He will own
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the film
And it's right
completely outright in 25 years
Um, so that's yeah, 25 years sounds like
a lot, but also let's be honest ryan
kugler's not even 40 yet
So I think that's that's reasonable
He's so so in in 25 years
he's gonna own everything
You know the franchise whatever it might
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any sequels any spin-offs
That's so that's huge
Everyone is talking about ryan kugler's
deal and how stared
hollywood studios are of it
And so they're creating this
fear-mongering outside our mentality
And it kind of goes into this whole story
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about why are they why are they creating
this narrative like
this? Anyway, go go go ahead
If you have to write the movie to get
that deal, is that is that correct? Like
you have to write and
direct the movie or is it just
So say you wrote a film
and you didn't direct it
Who would you then get the rights if you
if you did a similar deal
hypothetically? That's a great good
(14:31):
That's a great question. You get to own
the ip and it's because he
wrote it. It's on one hand
How many people actually get this deal? I
want to say quentin
tino and mel gibson, okay?
Okay, that's a pretty small list
Those are directors slash writers
And I want to assume mel gibson obviously
had a run directing films with passion of
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the christ and so on
This is a pretty small select list
Which it shows you the
power of a writer director
I don't know how often these deals are
gonna come unless you're
On this select list. So
and also all the talk is
Ryan kugler got this deal and it's
freaking hollywood out
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So it's creating this animosity
When he's not the first one to ever get
this deal clain tarantino gets this deal
Why are you making it such a big deal
when the black filmmaker gets something
that the white guys already got?
That's the storyline. Okay. I see what
you're saying. I see okay to to hammer
out that point franklin leonard who
created the black list
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He pointed out the differences in the
coverage for a variety
Uh once upon a time in hollywood had a
similar deal, right? It
made 10 less at the box office
And it was on 10 more theaters with a
similar budget and similar deal
So this is how they covered once upon a
time in hollywood with piantarantino
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They go in and win for original content
once upon a time in hollywood
opened with 41 million dollars
They did not
Cover that story the same way. So that's
just great. That's just a great
observation as a result
Through incredible word of mouth and all
these articles. Everyone's watching it
five six times. They're
just blowing it up because
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they're supporting
This original film that needs to be
celebrated and variety is not going to do
it. So they're going
to watch it themselves
I mean, that's a big win. I
like that an original film
is getting that is doing
that kind of box office because
How many more fucking sequels can we
watch or you know remakes or?
Exactly. I don't know. I can't i'm
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struggling to think of one good
like really good remake
of a classic film that I
You know in the last sort of 10 years
I'm trying to know there's one that i've
really loved and I can't really think of
one. Can you the first
movie that came to mind
Was departed
Or not departed and I yeah, I can't lie.
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The departed was pretty fun
It was pretty great. Yeah. Well, that's
that's a remake. I didn't realize that
was a remake. Yeah. Yeah, it actually is
It's a remake of the whole really badass
gangster a korean gangster film
Oh interesting and it's ironic because
one of the most popular scorsese movies
is a remake of a korean film
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That's okay, I didn't know that okay,
that's interesting. Yeah, I I was more
thinking of movies that are sort of
You know, yeah like
transformers big american
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean one sequel that
I really liked was blade runner 2049
But they had a great director and they
had a great cast and it
was and it kind of just
Carried the story on a bit.
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It wasn't like uh, you know
Yeah
To bring it back to to sinners
We're all dying for original content
We finally have an
original film that gets successful
Or get success right out of the gate
and yet
There are varieties poking holes at it
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And so they're like, oh well it costs 90
million dollars. It's like well, it's
been out for three days
Like you know, you know what I mean? You
can't make anyone happy and I think
needless to say we we know this
Hollywood's scared
studios are scared and
They're gonna take less risks
ideally when when
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Um when their pocketbook is tight
so
Another reason we got to support original
films. Oh, honestly, there's
not a lot of good news out there
Burrell is low. I have noticed. I mean, I
don't know i've been back in la for a
couple of weeks now and
It is
I'm hearing it all over the place people
are not having a great time
(18:43):
I agree and um that kind of segues into
the next thing I was gonna bring up here
when I was back in la
I went to a panel. It was for this new
show called the agency
Michael fast bender is starring in a
jeffrey wright great cast
Paramount plus I believe and it got
picked up for a second season very
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quickly. So they're
doing a a little panel
And and reception all of them were there
even even richard gear. First of all
richard gear doing tv
He's in this tv show go on richard
I go to a lot of these things because I
just want to absorb and and see if I get
inspired or learn anything
Uh at the very least there's a fun little
reception where you get to you know, get
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some food and whatnot you love food
I can see that. I really love it. Oh by
the way, I do need to mention, uh, egypt
Incredible food. I'm not a huge
vegetables guy. But uh, it was
Just not a huge
vegetables fan, but over there
Well gladly eating everything they had so
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back to this little reception
It kind of reminded me when we're talking
about how people actors mingle and
network at these things
This is at a beautiful little event
space. It's called uh, sam and sent a
bundle of we're just hanging out
Hounded by actors just standing there
going like yeah, I
don't I I don't do that
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It's just a weird one
because there's a lot of people
There's a lot of mad energy where people
are like I just have to talk to them and
maybe that'll be my chance
Exactly. Maybe maybe we'll be best
friends. Maybe i'll be best
friends michael fass vendor
You know what I mean, and they were all
very pleasant. They
were all very accessible
You know, I just don't see
what the the win is the win is
He's just having a good night and
learning from them and just yeah, you're
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just standing back being
inaccessible. Yeah. Yeah, exactly
And the irony is they shot in egypt
Jody turner smith was raving about egypt
through the the q and i
and I could have easily said
Started a conversation and talked about
egypt that was about to go, right?
I didn't
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That easy of a
conversation. I did it you're like
No, i'm not gonna i'm
gonna i'm gonna actively
Yeah, not participate even if she has
good tips. Not even gonna ask
So and that might be something I need to
work on anyway, I met this great person
I want to give her a shout out because
she also has a podcast her show's really
(21:09):
famous. Her name's uh, kara myer
Robinson she's a professional therapist
and her podcast is she has
Famous celebrities go into her show, but
she conducts the interview in a way.
That's more coming from
the therapist perspective
So it's really honest conversations, you
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know, we're talking about the podcast
We're waiting for the panel
to start and she goes oh, so
You know what have you done or or is
there anything that I would
know you from and and so on?
So I tell her what shows i've been on
And she asked me she goes do actors hate
that question? Yes, exactly
I'm always scared to to ask this question
because I don't want to put people off
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and I don't want to
Make them feel uncomfortable
but there's
There's kind of yeah, because it almost
feels like and maybe this is just my
skewed interpretation of it's like oh,
uh, you know if I don't know anything
you've been in then i'm sort of
(22:12):
Irrelevant yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's it's
an odd question. Yeah, this is exactly
why I wanted to bring this up
Does it apply to any other industry? Like
can you think of a parallel question?
Can you think of a similar question that
people ask people in other professions?
I have many friends in
say
Consulting tech i'm not
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gonna lie to hear two people
In the consulting world
talk about their industry
Yeah, nothing will put you to sleep
faster than them
talking about what they do
But my point is is when you say oh, so
what are you what are you doing
consulting? Are you
on the do you work for?
Accenture or do you work for pwc?
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You're always
sizing each other up
as far as senior already
Status. Oh, are you on the software side?
Are you on the hardware side? Then he
then size each other up
In a matter of 20 seconds. It'd be like
me. I think saying to someone if they
said oh, I work in advertising amigo
Oh cool. Who's your biggest client? Which
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is maybe a real question
is maybe not a real question
I don't really know but like it's not
something that I would ask. I don't think
there's anything weird
about that question at all
Who's your biggest client? Is it? No, I
don't know. So so I wouldn't
say who's your biggest client
I would say oh really is you working
advertising? Like so who do
you like? Who do you work with?
Look, it's not the worst question at all.
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I just sometimes I feel it probably
depends on how i'm feeling
a bit on myself
It depends on where myself steam is where
i'm just like I can
either be like here we go
Or I can just bristle
at it a bit or I can
I don't ever like the feeling of
justifying myself. You know what I mean?
It's not it's not a nice
It's like you know puts you at a sort of
a disadvantage when you find yourself
(23:57):
When I find myself trying to justify my
existence as someone else
It's probably more of an indication of
where i'm at in that given moment then
then what they're actually asking
Maybe that's but maybe that's what it is.
Yeah, maybe that's
what it is. Maybe it's it
This is exactly what it would this is
exactly why I brought this up and I say
there were I'll be honest with you
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Yeah, actors hate the question being
sized up possibly being judged. I'm just
being honest with her
And I said to her I go there's kind of no
way around it. You kind of
yeah, there's kind of no way
You can word it. That's not that question
immediately what what came to mind was
Uh when we talked about in a in a
(24:38):
previous episode we
talked about merrill st
We talked about how you said merrill st
said actors are more zen
Because they have to
be they're forced to be
Right where they are when
they're in the middle of the job
They're in the middle of the job when
they're not in the middle of the job and
they're waiting for the next job
They're forced to be exactly where they
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are and she argued that actors are more
zen and sure sure enough
a lot of actors disagree with that
But that came to mind
And I said I and I
brought that story up, right?
And so I was so easy and ready to respond
with this and I said to her I go honestly
So and I even doubled back I said to be
(25:23):
honest, I think it's up to the actor
Wherever at whatever level you are
So
Um, it's an opportunity
To be exactly where you are
I was forced to be exactly where I was.
Okay. Now if you're an actor
that hasn't done a lot of work
Then you say oh well
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i'm studying in class
I'm I'm I'm putting up a a play in Santa
Monica or um, i'm working on a short film
and those insecurities
Are going to follow you wherever you go
Just in a broader sense of a general
sense of that particular question because
you get it in a lot of different
scenarios in different contexts
I don't love it because
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It just puts me on my heels a little bit
where I feel like I have to
now tell you what i've done
Even me answering the question
I didn't feel like
I needed to defend myself
I had a sense of of of comfort where
If I say I was on basch legacy, grace
anatomy, blah blah blah
(26:26):
The point is is it doesn't need to be
C sizing me up and it didn't need to be
me answering and and and and and
justifying my existence
So this is the other
thing that that struck me
Our lives are informing this podcast what
we're learning what we're seeing in the
industry and then we
put it in the podcast
Hopefully it's interesting and then we
might learn something something from the
(26:48):
podcast that we talked
about actually informed my life
And I actually brought
it up in conversation
I'm not gonna lie. I
thought it was brilliant
I thought me bringing up the whole metal
strip thing in my response was freaking
brilliant. That was like, oh my god
Are you congratulating yourself? It's the
whole reason why i'm
bringing up the story
To pat yourself on the
back for bringing that up
(27:08):
It was something's on the podcast and I
put it back into my life
And I pat myself on the back and then I
didn't talk to michael festunder after
that. That was my knife
Let's get into hidden gems
Um, you want to go first or me?
Um, I was gonna steal one of yours and my
hidden gem for this week
is egypt. No, i'm joking
(27:30):
Um
Do you know what this I was thinking
about this it's not
really a hidden gem from me
But I went to this place with kevin welsh
if you're listening nice
but
(27:51):
I will leave a caveat here. I will put a
caveat in here that, uh,
it's, I can't wait for this. Okay. But
it's a place where it's like a weed shop.
And I knew we were smart. I knew we were.
I had no idea. And obviously.
(28:36):
big sort of parrots or these big exotic
birds out the back and
some like some trees and
some really comfortable couches. Nobody
was smoking weed around me
because I think otherwise
I probably would have to leave. But it's
a lovely setting. If
you do smoke weed, that's
the worst for you. Or if you're okay with
weed when it's busier and you want to sit
(29:00):
in a nice setting, Woods Cafe is nice.
Now you knew that was
a weed place, right? By
your reaction there. No, well, when you
said it was Woody
Harrelson's place, I assume there
might be weed smoke around. I do not know
the bar actually at
all. But it sounds like
a, I'm a huge fan of Woody Harrelson, so
I should go check it
(29:21):
out. But I didn't know
of this bar, but I assumed that there's
going to be weed
involved. I didn't know it was
a weed bar. I don't know. Maybe I'm just
naive about that, but I
just didn't even think.
It's on, it's in West Hollywood, but it's
a really nice
setting. And like I say, had
there been a lot of people smoking weed,
I definitely wouldn't
have gone in there, but
there's like a weed shop at the front and
then you can go into
like a cafe at the back.
(29:41):
But the coffee was good and the banana
bread was excellent. So
okay, where are you going
to stuff? You know, not really hitting
jam that I would be
returning to too often. But
if that's your, if that's your deal, go
fill your booth. I didn't
even know about the place.
So that's, that's awesome. Okay. So my
hidden gem, I would keep
with the Egypt theme. Um,
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you know, a little tidbit when we talk
about travel and
adventure, it is understood, and
this is just comes with the culture in
Egypt. You don't drink
the local water. You just
have to get used to that. You have to
understand you, you can't
drink the local water. You
have to drink bottled water. Okay. If
you're not used to the
food or the cuisine, you have
to protect your stomach and you don't
(30:24):
want to get sick. Right.
It's no different than,
you know, some other countries like India
and so on. Anyway, so
we came prepared. My
hidden gem are these mint pearl capsules.
Okay. They basically
just ease your stomach
in general when you're traveling, maybe
(30:44):
you have food
indigestion. My sister used these
things before when she traveled through
India, never got sick.
We went through Egypt. Um,
these were a lifesaver. These are, uh, if
anyone's listening, Dabur Pudenhara, I'll
put the link on the, on the show
(31:05):
description. Anyway. Yeah.
If anyone's traveling, uh, one
of protect their stomach, go get them.
Nice. There you go. That's
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my trip. I'm back from my travels
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Coogler and sinners
big box office weekend
the deal that Ryan Coogler got from the
studios and why
everyone's talking about it and
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wondering I went to Egypt and
It was a blast it was I highly recommend
it if anyone gets a chance
When I go on vacation or when I go
abroad, I kind of want some adventure. I
Kind of want a little danger
Like the unknown be in a place where you
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don't understand their
language and how much danger I?
Can handle a little out of danger. I can
handle good about danger.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah
Tell me more. I'm curious to test your
limits here of danger here
your danger limit, you know
Well, the one thing I
will say about Egypt
like many places
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If you listen to mainstream media or
whatever happens in the news a lot of
times people are a little afraid
They're not sure about the danger.
They're not sure about whether they
should visit and I have 100%
Would go back gladly
and um I almost feel more inclined to
tell people about my travels
(02:32):
because I want to help their
Tourism because they want more people to
experience their country. Yeah, I
appreciate that to your
point about how much danger
I'm looking for I did a
great trip over in Australia and
My sister was doing a grant and I hitched
along and I was like hey, let me go let
me go out there with you
(02:53):
We started at the
Great Barrier Reef. We got
Certified for scuba diving
at the Great Barrier Reef
Do you want to her
program in Melbourne and then I?
Traveled by you said Melbourne with a
very Australian accent
there out of respect. I
That's the small little pickup that I got
(03:14):
from Australia. Anyway, so I traveled
down the coast of Australia from Cairns
The way you said Cairns as well
Taught me right off
So you actually know what
the Nazis these cities, huh?
Well, I know how they pronounce them and
I know how I pronounce them
and it's slightly different
So yeah, I don't respect I try to
pronounce these cities correctly
(03:34):
anyway, so I traveled by bus and stayed
in hostels all the way down the coast and
it was great my point is is as
Adventurous as that was and it was great
kind of like living
by the seat of my pants
It felt kind of like, California
Yeah, like I mean I don't want to
(03:55):
disrespect it. I had a great time
It's great weather you get
to surf you're on the water
Australia people love and appreciate
nature animals outdoor
Wildlife if you love that stuff you're
gonna love Australia my point is is I can
understand why
Australians love LA because
It's kind of similar climates
(04:16):
It's kind of similarly backed by and I
was like I went half across the world and
it kind of reminds me of LA
Um, I did go to Fiji on the
way out. But my point is is is
If I'm going to do a big trip, I kind of
want to feel like I'm not gonna lie
I felt like Indiana Jones. I
(04:37):
Gone only camel wants and I felt like
Indiana Jones. I mean that's kind of like
what that's kind of like what I was
What I was looking for
So if you don't get in a knife fight or
you know solve some kind of yeah
mysteries. It's not a holiday
Yeah, so that's kind of like my of my
spectrum for adventure
Okay, that's a good. That's a good
adventure. I feel like
and this goes a lot with
(04:59):
My how I look at acting acting provides
danger that normal society doesn't you
know, that's how I look at it
That's kind of like why I gravitated to
it. Go on. That's kind of how
I look at or in general where
sometimes normal society and
Cultural norms are just so boring. You
need an outlet to explore something
(05:21):
that's broader something
that's more interesting
That's how I look at in general
interesting. Did you go off and explore
on your own in Egypt?
Did you know I can track and I did not I
did not we had a pretty tight itinerary
We were on a cruise ship for five days
So I I really had to be with everyone and
(05:41):
and I'm not gonna lie speaking of danger
Um, and you probably have noticed this
and and a lot of cities probably kind of
have this there's no pedestrian walkways
You know, obviously it's not
really a walking around town
Meaning that if you're in any major city
(06:02):
It's it's up to you to survive if you
want to cross the street
Right so that that's just standard that
these are the things and I'll eventually
be able to talk more about the trip
and I'll probably put my
stuff on YouTube later on but um
Middle things like that where we're very
fortunate to have local guides
(06:23):
Guiding you, you know the language
barrier just knowing the cultural norms
But you absolutely do not have right
away. Don't expect right
away. You're going to get hit
This this has tripped me up in
Ireland as well in California
Predestines are traded, you know with kid
clothes. They're like, oh
(06:43):
if they step on the road
You got the right away, which
is kind of mental to be honest
But yeah, I forget that cuz I get used to
it and I went I was home in Ireland a
Couple of times where I've stepped onto
the road expecting the grass to stop and
they just look at me and just blow past
I'm like yeah a hundred percent
I think it's a good skill to have and
kind of going back to the
whole need for adventure
I feel like we're very
(07:04):
protected by well, I mean
relatively
American norms and values
I feel like there's a sense of
entitlement to be like I'm gonna step
into the road right now. I have rights
You need to obey that
Yeah, which is insane. There's no there's
(07:25):
no lanes and you probably there
That's a lot of Italy is probably
similar, but there's absolutely no lanes
when you're driving. So it's understood
That cars are going to tap and kiss each
other non-stop and that's normal
That's just it's normally bumper cars
That'd be fascinating if that was the
(07:46):
case here with like white Tesla's going
all chariots of fire on the 405. I
Know I know it actually is kind of fun
when you're watching traffic in Egypt
All right. So uh that that's it nothing
but love but for Egypt and
I'm sure we'll talk about in the future.
But um, so word around
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town. Let's talk about sinners
It's causing quite the stir for a handful
of things. First of
all, it's a huge success
One of the best
reviewed movies in recent times
Considering it's an original film. So you
have Ryan Coogler you have Michael B
Jordan playing twins
So he's playing two roles in the movie.
It's a horror vampire film. So I know I
(08:29):
know how much you love horror films
So I yeah, I don't like scary horror
films. I don't blame you man
If you don't know Ryan Coogler, he blew
up with Michael B Jordan. He did
Fruitvale Station and indie film hit
He is the Creed franchise. He directed
Black Panther. He's one of the top young
directors in the game
(08:50):
And this is an original film made a lot
of money 60 million opening weekend. This
is where it got
interesting opening weekend
Ben Stiller called out variety
because their headline of the article was
60 million dollar
opening for original film
but it costs 90 million
and they're still
(09:12):
Exactly. They're still
Uh a ways away from making a profit
So that was their opening
headline and Ben Stiller
They've merely tweeted this out and goes
at what point do you have a 60 million
dollar original film?
warranting this headline
(09:34):
So so in a world where
we're just dying for good news
Like literally we you and I and many
others are just dying for good news
And that's the that's the headline that
variety puts out variety
is just killing the vibe
Exactly. So this this kind of goes into a
deeper issue. You have a black filmmaker
Um, it's dead in the south
(09:56):
I heard it's I mean, it's it's one of the
best reviewed films in
in
in a while
Yeah, I haven't heard anything bad about
it so far and then it
gets interesting because
The details came out about
the deal that ryan kugler
Was negotiating to get this movie made
(10:16):
He was shopping this movie around studios
many studios would want it
um
What was on the table
was he gets final cut?
Which obviously for top directors they
Get that they negotiate
for that he gets final cut
He also will get a percentage of first
gross which means that
(10:38):
When ticket sales comes in
he's going to start to get paid
Versus waiting for the studio to get paid
all their money and recoup their
investment and then and
everyone else gets paid
Do you get what i'm saying? Wait say say
break that say say that
again. So yeah normally
normally a studio finances a movie
(11:00):
Yeah, all the ticket box office sales
It goes to the studio until
they make all their money back
Right, they they put the money in
They take the wrist
And then they make all their
money back and then after that
Is the director the talent and all that
stuff for after they make
(11:20):
their money back hypothetically
Start getting some of the profits exactly
and this kind of goes into what we talked
about with sing sing how
Their their deal was way
You know way different and way more uh
creative friendly. You know what I mean?
It's it's it's funny. I I
because I saw just a video online
(11:42):
um of
jelly roll
Talking about a record deal. Did you see
this he was talking about a record deal
and and he's explaining to like
You know up and coming artists. This is
how a record deal works. He's like i'm
gonna save you a lot of
You know time and stress
So say a record label goes here's a
million dollars to make an album. We're
(12:03):
going to give you a million dollars
To make this album. They
they pay that up front whatever
when the album starts
to sell or whatever they
Know you don't get a you know, you don't
get a penny from that until they make
their million dollars back
Right, so they have to they have to make
that back first and then in addition the
split will be 70 30 in favor of
(12:23):
The record company because they've put up
the money so they will
then anything after that
They take 70 and you take 30 percent
So in addition to making back their
original investment now, they're also
taking 70 of the profits
After that, so that's why it's so hard
for artists to make
money off albums anymore
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and album sales
I don't know if that's applicable here or
if it's comparable, but like it was just
it was an interesting
I didn't realize that like it
was so much in favor of a label
I didn't realize how similar the music
industry was with the film industry
because that's actually that's actually
very similar to what happens with the
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The movie studios that's how hard it is
to make it as a creative person
and I might so that's kind of
going into why so much of the
The talk of this is ryan kugler's deal
So he's getting a
first cut of the grosses
Which big directors get he's getting
final cut and then the
icing on the cake. He will own
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the film
And it's right
completely outright in 25 years
Um, so that's yeah, 25 years sounds like
a lot, but also let's be honest ryan
kugler's not even 40 yet
So I think that's that's reasonable
He's so so in in 25 years
he's gonna own everything
You know the franchise whatever it might
(13:49):
any sequels any spin-offs
That's so that's huge
Everyone is talking about ryan kugler's
deal and how stared
hollywood studios are of it
And so they're creating this
fear-mongering outside our mentality
And it kind of goes into this whole story
(14:10):
about why are they why are they creating
this narrative like
this? Anyway, go go go ahead
If you have to write the movie to get
that deal, is that is that correct? Like
you have to write and
direct the movie or is it just
So say you wrote a film
and you didn't direct it
Who would you then get the rights if you
if you did a similar deal
hypothetically? That's a great good
(14:31):
That's a great question. You get to own
the ip and it's because he
wrote it. It's on one hand
How many people actually get this deal? I
want to say quentin
tino and mel gibson, okay?
Okay, that's a pretty small list
Those are directors slash writers
And I want to assume mel gibson obviously
had a run directing films with passion of
(14:52):
the christ and so on
This is a pretty small select list
Which it shows you the
power of a writer director
I don't know how often these deals are
gonna come unless you're
On this select list. So
and also all the talk is
Ryan kugler got this deal and it's
freaking hollywood out
(15:13):
So it's creating this animosity
When he's not the first one to ever get
this deal clain tarantino gets this deal
Why are you making it such a big deal
when the black filmmaker gets something
that the white guys already got?
That's the storyline. Okay. I see what
you're saying. I see okay to to hammer
out that point franklin leonard who
created the black list
(15:34):
He pointed out the differences in the
coverage for a variety
Uh once upon a time in hollywood had a
similar deal, right? It
made 10 less at the box office
And it was on 10 more theaters with a
similar budget and similar deal
So this is how they covered once upon a
time in hollywood with piantarantino
(15:54):
They go in and win for original content
once upon a time in hollywood
opened with 41 million dollars
They did not
Cover that story the same way. So that's
just great. That's just a great
observation as a result
Through incredible word of mouth and all
these articles. Everyone's watching it
five six times. They're
just blowing it up because
(16:14):
they're supporting
This original film that needs to be
celebrated and variety is not going to do
it. So they're going
to watch it themselves
I mean, that's a big win. I
like that an original film
is getting that is doing
that kind of box office because
How many more fucking sequels can we
watch or you know remakes or?
Exactly. I don't know. I can't i'm
(16:36):
struggling to think of one good
like really good remake
of a classic film that I
You know in the last sort of 10 years
I'm trying to know there's one that i've
really loved and I can't really think of
one. Can you the first
movie that came to mind
Was departed
Or not departed and I yeah, I can't lie.
(16:57):
The departed was pretty fun
It was pretty great. Yeah. Well, that's
that's a remake. I didn't realize that
was a remake. Yeah. Yeah, it actually is
It's a remake of the whole really badass
gangster a korean gangster film
Oh interesting and it's ironic because
one of the most popular scorsese movies
is a remake of a korean film
(17:19):
That's okay, I didn't know that okay,
that's interesting. Yeah, I I was more
thinking of movies that are sort of
You know, yeah like
transformers big american
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean one sequel that
I really liked was blade runner 2049
But they had a great director and they
had a great cast and it
was and it kind of just
Carried the story on a bit.
(17:40):
It wasn't like uh, you know
Yeah
To bring it back to to sinners
We're all dying for original content
We finally have an
original film that gets successful
Or get success right out of the gate
and yet
There are varieties poking holes at it
(18:02):
And so they're like, oh well it costs 90
million dollars. It's like well, it's
been out for three days
Like you know, you know what I mean? You
can't make anyone happy and I think
needless to say we we know this
Hollywood's scared
studios are scared and
They're gonna take less risks
ideally when when
(18:23):
Um when their pocketbook is tight
so
Another reason we got to support original
films. Oh, honestly, there's
not a lot of good news out there
Burrell is low. I have noticed. I mean, I
don't know i've been back in la for a
couple of weeks now and
It is
I'm hearing it all over the place people
are not having a great time
(18:43):
I agree and um that kind of segues into
the next thing I was gonna bring up here
when I was back in la
I went to a panel. It was for this new
show called the agency
Michael fast bender is starring in a
jeffrey wright great cast
Paramount plus I believe and it got
picked up for a second season very
(19:05):
quickly. So they're
doing a a little panel
And and reception all of them were there
even even richard gear. First of all
richard gear doing tv
He's in this tv show go on richard
I go to a lot of these things because I
just want to absorb and and see if I get
inspired or learn anything
Uh at the very least there's a fun little
reception where you get to you know, get
(19:27):
some food and whatnot you love food
I can see that. I really love it. Oh by
the way, I do need to mention, uh, egypt
Incredible food. I'm not a huge
vegetables guy. But uh, it was
Just not a huge
vegetables fan, but over there
Well gladly eating everything they had so
(19:48):
back to this little reception
It kind of reminded me when we're talking
about how people actors mingle and
network at these things
This is at a beautiful little event
space. It's called uh, sam and sent a
bundle of we're just hanging out
Hounded by actors just standing there
going like yeah, I
don't I I don't do that
(20:08):
It's just a weird one
because there's a lot of people
There's a lot of mad energy where people
are like I just have to talk to them and
maybe that'll be my chance
Exactly. Maybe maybe we'll be best
friends. Maybe i'll be best
friends michael fass vendor
You know what I mean, and they were all
very pleasant. They
were all very accessible
You know, I just don't see
what the the win is the win is
He's just having a good night and
learning from them and just yeah, you're
(20:29):
just standing back being
inaccessible. Yeah. Yeah, exactly
And the irony is they shot in egypt
Jody turner smith was raving about egypt
through the the q and i
and I could have easily said
Started a conversation and talked about
egypt that was about to go, right?
I didn't
(20:49):
That easy of a
conversation. I did it you're like
No, i'm not gonna i'm
gonna i'm gonna actively
Yeah, not participate even if she has
good tips. Not even gonna ask
So and that might be something I need to
work on anyway, I met this great person
I want to give her a shout out because
she also has a podcast her show's really
(21:09):
famous. Her name's uh, kara myer
Robinson she's a professional therapist
and her podcast is she has
Famous celebrities go into her show, but
she conducts the interview in a way.
That's more coming from
the therapist perspective
So it's really honest conversations, you
(21:30):
know, we're talking about the podcast
We're waiting for the panel
to start and she goes oh, so
You know what have you done or or is
there anything that I would
know you from and and so on?
So I tell her what shows i've been on
And she asked me she goes do actors hate
that question? Yes, exactly
I'm always scared to to ask this question
because I don't want to put people off
(21:51):
and I don't want to
Make them feel uncomfortable
but there's
There's kind of yeah, because it almost
feels like and maybe this is just my
skewed interpretation of it's like oh,
uh, you know if I don't know anything
you've been in then i'm sort of
(22:12):
Irrelevant yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's it's
an odd question. Yeah, this is exactly
why I wanted to bring this up
Does it apply to any other industry? Like
can you think of a parallel question?
Can you think of a similar question that
people ask people in other professions?
I have many friends in
say
Consulting tech i'm not
(22:33):
gonna lie to hear two people
In the consulting world
talk about their industry
Yeah, nothing will put you to sleep
faster than them
talking about what they do
But my point is is when you say oh, so
what are you what are you doing
consulting? Are you
on the do you work for?
Accenture or do you work for pwc?
(22:56):
You're always
sizing each other up
as far as senior already
Status. Oh, are you on the software side?
Are you on the hardware side? Then he
then size each other up
In a matter of 20 seconds. It'd be like
me. I think saying to someone if they
said oh, I work in advertising amigo
Oh cool. Who's your biggest client? Which
(23:16):
is maybe a real question
is maybe not a real question
I don't really know but like it's not
something that I would ask. I don't think
there's anything weird
about that question at all
Who's your biggest client? Is it? No, I
don't know. So so I wouldn't
say who's your biggest client
I would say oh really is you working
advertising? Like so who do
you like? Who do you work with?
Look, it's not the worst question at all.
(23:36):
I just sometimes I feel it probably
depends on how i'm feeling
a bit on myself
It depends on where myself steam is where
i'm just like I can
either be like here we go
Or I can just bristle
at it a bit or I can
I don't ever like the feeling of
justifying myself. You know what I mean?
It's not it's not a nice
It's like you know puts you at a sort of
a disadvantage when you find yourself
(23:57):
When I find myself trying to justify my
existence as someone else
It's probably more of an indication of
where i'm at in that given moment then
then what they're actually asking
Maybe that's but maybe that's what it is.
Yeah, maybe that's
what it is. Maybe it's it
This is exactly what it would this is
exactly why I brought this up and I say
there were I'll be honest with you
(24:18):
Yeah, actors hate the question being
sized up possibly being judged. I'm just
being honest with her
And I said to her I go there's kind of no
way around it. You kind of
yeah, there's kind of no way
You can word it. That's not that question
immediately what what came to mind was
Uh when we talked about in a in a
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previous episode we
talked about merrill st
We talked about how you said merrill st
said actors are more zen
Because they have to
be they're forced to be
Right where they are when
they're in the middle of the job
They're in the middle of the job when
they're not in the middle of the job and
they're waiting for the next job
They're forced to be exactly where they
(25:00):
are and she argued that actors are more
zen and sure sure enough
a lot of actors disagree with that
But that came to mind
And I said I and I
brought that story up, right?
And so I was so easy and ready to respond
with this and I said to her I go honestly
So and I even doubled back I said to be
(25:23):
honest, I think it's up to the actor
Wherever at whatever level you are
So
Um, it's an opportunity
To be exactly where you are
I was forced to be exactly where I was.
Okay. Now if you're an actor
that hasn't done a lot of work
Then you say oh well
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i'm studying in class
I'm I'm I'm putting up a a play in Santa
Monica or um, i'm working on a short film
and those insecurities
Are going to follow you wherever you go
Just in a broader sense of a general
sense of that particular question because
you get it in a lot of different
scenarios in different contexts
I don't love it because
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It just puts me on my heels a little bit
where I feel like I have to
now tell you what i've done
Even me answering the question
I didn't feel like
I needed to defend myself
I had a sense of of of comfort where
If I say I was on basch legacy, grace
anatomy, blah blah blah
(26:26):
The point is is it doesn't need to be
C sizing me up and it didn't need to be
me answering and and and and and
justifying my existence
So this is the other
thing that that struck me
Our lives are informing this podcast what
we're learning what we're seeing in the
industry and then we
put it in the podcast
Hopefully it's interesting and then we
might learn something something from the
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podcast that we talked
about actually informed my life
And I actually brought
it up in conversation
I'm not gonna lie. I
thought it was brilliant
I thought me bringing up the whole metal
strip thing in my response was freaking
brilliant. That was like, oh my god
Are you congratulating yourself? It's the
whole reason why i'm
bringing up the story
To pat yourself on the
back for bringing that up
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It was something's on the podcast and I
put it back into my life
And I pat myself on the back and then I
didn't talk to michael festunder after
that. That was my knife
Let's get into hidden gems
Um, you want to go first or me?
Um, I was gonna steal one of yours and my
hidden gem for this week
is egypt. No, i'm joking
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Um
Do you know what this I was thinking
about this it's not
really a hidden gem from me
But I went to this place with kevin welsh
if you're listening nice
but
(27:51):
I will leave a caveat here. I will put a
caveat in here that, uh,
it's, I can't wait for this. Okay. But
it's a place where it's like a weed shop.
And I knew we were smart. I knew we were.
I had no idea. And obviously.
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big sort of parrots or these big exotic
birds out the back and
some like some trees and
some really comfortable couches. Nobody
was smoking weed around me
because I think otherwise
I probably would have to leave. But it's
a lovely setting. If
you do smoke weed, that's
the worst for you. Or if you're okay with
weed when it's busier and you want to sit
(29:00):
in a nice setting, Woods Cafe is nice.
Now you knew that was
a weed place, right? By
your reaction there. No, well, when you
said it was Woody
Harrelson's place, I assume there
might be weed smoke around. I do not know
the bar actually at
all. But it sounds like
a, I'm a huge fan of Woody Harrelson, so
I should go check it
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out. But I didn't know
of this bar, but I assumed that there's
going to be weed
involved. I didn't know it was
a weed bar. I don't know. Maybe I'm just
naive about that, but I
just didn't even think.
It's on, it's in West Hollywood, but it's
a really nice
setting. And like I say, had
there been a lot of people smoking weed,
I definitely wouldn't
have gone in there, but
there's like a weed shop at the front and
then you can go into
like a cafe at the back.
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But the coffee was good and the banana
bread was excellent. So
okay, where are you going
to stuff? You know, not really hitting
jam that I would be
returning to too often. But
if that's your, if that's your deal, go
fill your booth. I didn't
even know about the place.
So that's, that's awesome. Okay. So my
hidden gem, I would keep
with the Egypt theme. Um,
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you know, a little tidbit when we talk
about travel and
adventure, it is understood, and
this is just comes with the culture in
Egypt. You don't drink
the local water. You just
have to get used to that. You have to
understand you, you can't
drink the local water. You
have to drink bottled water. Okay. If
you're not used to the
food or the cuisine, you have
to protect your stomach and you don't
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want to get sick. Right.
It's no different than,
you know, some other countries like India
and so on. Anyway, so
we came prepared. My
hidden gem are these mint pearl capsules.
Okay. They basically
just ease your stomach
in general when you're traveling, maybe
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you have food
indigestion. My sister used these
things before when she traveled through
India, never got sick.
We went through Egypt. Um,
these were a lifesaver. These are, uh, if
anyone's listening, Dabur Pudenhara, I'll
put the link on the, on the show
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description. Anyway. Yeah.
If anyone's traveling, uh, one
of protect their stomach, go get them.
Nice. There you go. That's
our hidden gems, everyone.
Well that's our show everyone. Hope you
enjoyed it. If you get a
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