July 21, 2025 • 34 mins
Welcome to Episode 38 of the Actor's Guide to the End of the World! This week, we got a few bombs to drop. First WeTransfer, online file sharing service announced a highly confusing and enraging change to their terms and conditions, did someone say machine learning? This service is used by almost all actors and those working in the industry, so needless to say, people were freaking out. E-Kan and Rían will go over the backlash and what you need to know.
Next, is the announcement that The Late Show with Colbert is ending despite strong ratings, and a look into why and what that means for the future of late night.
This week is another segment of “The Best in Reddit” where E-Kan and Rían answer the best questions from the “acting” thread of Reddit which poses the question, “Does rehearsal kill the spontaneity in performance” We also talk about how Tom Holland revealed that he often goes over his lines the morning of when he’s in the make-up chair and more tales from Hollywood Land.
The guys also break a new segment “Worst Breakdowns”, and go into an actual breakdown that has red flags all over it. For those not in the industry, breakdowns are the listings that have the information on the project, roles, that actors get when they audition for a project. This one was a DOOZY and a fair warning for those submitting for non-union projects especially.
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https://tech.yahoo.com/ai/articles/wetransfer-backtracks-ai-file-training-205600763.html
https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/wetransfer-changes-terms-licensing-rights-ai-1234747368/
Late Show with Stephen Colbert Ratings -
https://latenighter.com/news/ratings/late-night-tv-ratings-q2-2025/
Reddit thread - https://www.reddit.com/r/acting/comments/1lick5v/netflixs_adolescence_kills_the_idea_that/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
https://youtube.com/shorts/iKGCSf9CjSI?si=ulSwwa0ACWN6TTbP
Hidden Gems:
Cooking fennel..?
Xing Fu Tang (NYC, Taiwan) - https://xingfutang.com/
Time stamps:
(0:00) Intro
(1:45) WeTransfer changes terms of service
(9:27) Late Show w/ Stephen Colbert ending
(14:50) Worst Casting Breakdown ever
(18:30) Best of Reddit acting thread - Does Over-rehearsing kill spontaneity in performance?
(27:20) Tom Holland says he learns his lines the morning of in the makeup chair
(32:40) Hidden Gems
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
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(00:00):
Hey everyone, welcome to
the actor's guide to the
end the world podcast
where we talk about
acting in Hollywood in a
way people understand
I'm your host E-Kan Soong
and this is my co-host
Rían Sheehy Kelly. How's
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show for
today. We talk about
(00:21):
We transfer just change
their terms and
conditions and it's
freaking actors out
We talk about everything
actors need to know. We
also talk about
The late show with
Stephen Colbert getting
canceled all of its
implications and the
speculation about why
that might be despite him
Being top in the ratings
and we also bring back
(00:42):
our reddit segment
answering the best
questions on the acting
thread of reddit
It's the idea that over
rehearsing kills
spontaneity and whether
or not we we
agree with that
We talk about how Tom
Holland says he
learns his lines
the morning of in the
makeup chair and other
interesting tales from
Hollywood land and that's
(01:02):
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(01:44):
there is news with we
transfer data file
sharing service
that actors and
For many of us have been
using for years as they
changed their terms of
service and they
basically said that
whatever content you
Send using we
transferred. This is my
understanding of it
They can use in
perpetuity like they did
they claim some ownership
(02:04):
of looking at
this statement
You hereby grant us a
perpetual worldwide
non-exclusive
royalty-free
transferable sub
licenseable license to
use your content for the
purposes of
operating developing
commercializing and
improving the service or
new technologies or
services
including to improve
performance of machine
(02:24):
learning models that
enhance our content
moderation process in
accordance with the
privacy and cookie policy
such license includes the
right to reproduce
distribute modify prepare
derivative
works based upon
Broadcast communicate to
the public publicly
display and perform
content that really does
sound scary. It
also gets into the
To murky enough waters
(02:45):
with NDAs and stuff like
that because a lot of the
auditions that we
Do now come with NDAs
where you're you know,
you're not to share them
with anybody else
You're not to distribute
them electronically or
not to you know
whatever
So I'm sure that that
would be a risk for
intellectual property for
(03:05):
studios and
stuff. No, I don't know
So you're you're you're
completely onto something
so in this article from
art news they actually
talked about
this NDA issue
specifically
posted on blue sky
What these companies
don't get or seem to care
about is those of us who
are professionals in
Post-production and rely
on tools like we transfer
to send materials to
(03:26):
clients have also signed
NDAs that are complete
conflict with their new
TOS legally. We can't use
retransfer
now. There you go
This is why everyone's
freaking out a lot of
people have been using we
transfer for
almost every audition
It depends on really how
you get your auditions.
It depends. Yeah,
sometimes a drop box
Sometimes it's access or
a service
like that. We are
(03:47):
Directly uploading but a
lot of the time it's we
transfer because that's
the easiest way to send a
file exactly
and it's free now
We're finding out why
it's free exactly. So two
days ago. They
backtracked on
their their release
They published a blog
post that talks a more
that that highlights more
details about the updates
(04:08):
The company says in the
blog post first things
first your content is
always your content. Oh,
well, thank you
That's that's relieving.
Um, yeah, we're not we're
not worried
at all anymore
The post goes on to say
The post goes on to say
we don't use machine
learning or any form of
(04:29):
AI to process content
shared via we transfer
I think the machine
learning really flagged
Mostly for for most
people we transfer
explains that its use of
AI would be to improve
Content moderation and
enhance its ability to
prevent the distribution
of harmful content across
its platform whether we
believe that to be true
Who knows? Um, they say
(04:50):
that AI tools aren't
being used and haven't
even been built yet
Uh to avoid confusion.
We've removed
this reference
Well, there you go
It doesn't matter what
they say they're going to
use it for if they assert
a right over it
to do anything
They want with it
Whatever they say is
irrelevant because
(05:11):
they've asserted the
right so like and then
you're just
taking their word
And and if they if
they're an egg
on their word
There's no consequence
because you've already
agreed to you can do
whatever you want with
it. So that's
a great point
That's a great point
they if people didn't
balk if people didn't
complain if people didn't
highlight and share these
posts and and and
highlight the dangers
(05:31):
they probably
wouldn't have a
Backtracked by the way,
how many times do we get
an email or a message
from Facebook saying they
updated their
terms and conditions?
We have no idea how many
times that they've
changed it and all to all
the things that
we're agreeing to
So have you ever in your
life read from start to
finish any terms and
conditions like from
start to finish?
(05:52):
I mean I've skimmed them
and look through them for
but I've never
So much stuff in there.
Oh, yeah. Yeah
I mean
It's a lot for us to
highlight a paragraph in
our podcast talking about
this stuff let alone the
entire terms
and conditions
It's insane. So um also
Just I was just gonna say
incidentally by listening
to this podcast you give
(06:13):
us power of attorney. Is
that right?
That's implicit
Yeah, exactly exactly. We
have control over all of
your attention. Hopefully
I'm finances
Social media accounts, so
there you go. We've
talked about this with
our other companies
There are a lot of
companies that we're
we're trying to use
(06:34):
Safely because
we don't even know
What they're actually
doing and here we
transfer is
one of them now
But they
backtracked on the AI
and
They say that it's for
our protection and to
improve the service which
every company
essentially says that
(06:54):
Yeah, is this going to
change people from not
using we transfer
anymore? I don't know to
be honest. I'm
probably not gonna
I bet I'll take a hit
Exactly. Oh, they will
take it and in all
honesty. We found that
they backtracked
a couple days ago
I don't even think people
know that they
backtracked. So I don't I
don't know if
these will change it
(07:15):
Change their anyone's
opinion because I'm sure
the initial the initial
outburst over it is
bigger news
than the backtrack
Exactly. So that's what
we remember. Yeah, that's
why like a misstep like
that as a company
Can probably be quite
devastating to the bit.
I'm not devastating sir
I would but like it can
probably impact
their business
Pretty significantly
(07:36):
because social media I
think social media
amplifies everything like
that where
everybody's like
Did you hear this and
which is great in one way
because you're like, oh
don't use this service
There's a lot of good and
there's a lot of bad just
go back to posting
Posting DVDs like we used
to do to remember that
nailing TV. I remember
like sending DVDs back to
Ireland FedEx and DVDs
(07:57):
Oh for Netflix
No, no
Burning burning a DVD and
do we have to be
Appreciated for the fact
that we don't do that
anymore. That's insane
So less bullet points for
this. Yes, your content
is always your content
In fact your section 6.2
(08:17):
blah blah blah clearly
states that you own and
retain all right title
and interest including
intellectual
property rights
And into the content.
Yes, you're granting us
permission to ensure we
can run and improve that
we transfer
service properly
Yes, our terms are
compliant with applicable
privacy laws including
the GDPR don't
know what that is
No, we are not using your
content to train AI
models. No, we do not
sell your content to
(08:38):
third parties GDPR is
data protection laws. Oh
Yeah, nice pretty pretty
stringent in what is G?
What is the G stand for?
It's a general data
protection regulation,
it's an EU law
Good to know. Yeah, it's
pretty including the take
that pretty seriously in
the EU. Yeah
(08:59):
Cool. Great. Yeah, Ian
you knows what
they're doing
Sometimes
Okay, so they had to make
that clear because
everyone was
freaked out and
Completely confused by
their first change in
terms of services
Terms in agreement. So
there you go. So we
transfer back tracks.
(09:19):
We'll see what happens
with this and
if people go
back to it, but
so
This week a lot of people
are up in arms about the
late show with Stephen
Colbert getting canceled
He's not getting fired.
He he he issued he did a
monologue or he did he
actually talked
about on his show
He's not getting fired.
(09:40):
The show is just poof
getting canceled, which
is a long running show
Actually, let's start
from the beginning
Stephen
Colbert was very open
He's very liberal. He was
very open criticizing and
making jokes about the
Settlement paid to Donald
Trump about that CBS paid
for their 60 minute 60
minute special
(10:01):
so that was probably one
of many things that
Trump and maybe the
higher-ups did not like.
Oh, yeah, he called it a
bribe. He
called it a bribe
That they settled with
Donald Trump in
the hopes that their
merger with
Skydance would be
(10:21):
Favorite upon
So you scratch my back.
I'll scratch yours. He
made a joke about it,
which people are
speculating is part of
this cancellation
CBS claims that it was
agonizing you
have all the
You know, you
know Fox News
Talking about how
expensive the show was
making all these excuses
(10:41):
for why this might be
canceled that wasn't
Politically motivated or
unethical other
implications
We know that Skydance is
run by David Ellison. His
father is Larry Ellison a
longtime Trump associate
It's not that hard to see
the political
implications here
according to the
ratings. It was
(11:03):
One of the top rated
watched late night shows.
Yeah, I believe it. He's
a really
popular presenter
He's good. I mean, I
don't know. Do you watch
late night? Are you a
late night watcher?
In all honesty, I don't
have normal TV. So, um,
if anything it would be
clips. I don't
really watch it
but I
(11:25):
Mean, I love I like
Steven Colbert. I think
it's really sharp really
funny. I mean, I loved
the Colbert report
I thought that was
incredible. I just it was
such a great
That was I think that was
my favorite show on
Comedy Central at the
time more than the Daily
Show even because
I just loved his
Take I loved
that character
He played when he
went to late night
I was disappointed
(11:46):
because I loved that show
so much and I didn't I
got don't
watch like you said
I don't watch
terrestrial TV either
Really, but I do see a
lot of clips of it and
I'd see a lot of clips
pop up here and there
but yeah, like a really
great performer and and
By all accounts a
really good host
And you know, it's here.
Here's the thing. It
brings up the we're not
(12:07):
gonna dive
into this too much
but it brings up to the
the sad truth that
How much power and how
much voice do you really
have when you're working
for a network?
And they make and and
they sign your checks
Because you're even
Colbert was definitely
more vocal and definitely
more pointed
(12:27):
with a lot of his
comedy and and
Yeah, so other host dudes
here. I see I see John
Oliver do it. Oh
Well, John Oliver like
John Oliver's on a whole
nother world John. Oh, by
the way, that's
also HBO though
So I think you get a
little bit of a lampoon
AT&T, you know an AT&T
where you know owned HBO
(12:48):
and whatever and that's
since changed hands, but
He yeah, he's take the
piss out of them all the
time, which is very
funny, but never
seemed to quite
You know, he didn't get
canned for it
You know it was it was so
I don't know if they just
have a better
sense of humor
Or honest John Oliver in
my eyes. He's my
favorite for sure
So just about these
(13:08):
ratings as the second
quarter of 2025 wrapped
late nights pecking order
held mostly steady the
late show with
Stephen Colbert
tops the 1135 p.m. Hour
in total viewers late
night with Seth Meyers
Leading at 1237 while
that's late. Um across
both key ratings metrics
CBS is late show was the
only show among the nine
to draw more total
(13:29):
viewers in q2 than it had
in the first quarter of
2025 it was actually
increasing in viewers.
Yeah, and that was the
only one that
actually did
So there you go. So this
this problem in
viewership and and
followers. It's
nowhere to be seen
Averaged 2.42 million
(13:49):
viewers across 41
episodes comfortably
outpacing
Jimmy Kimmel live
And tonight's show is
with Jimmy Fallon. So
there you go.
That's interesting
I wouldn't have guessed
that to be honest, but
that's I know I wasn't
exactly I want
to guess that too
And it's all
it's all later
Yeah
What are you all doing
staying up? How late do
people stay up watching
(14:09):
tell you dude?
I can't even imagine I
could be in bed by 9
every night.
I would be oh
Yeah, I strive for that.
The big question is is
what is next John Stewart
just said this past week
He doesn't know what's
gonna happen either if
for those that don't know
daily show is also a
paramount property
So there you go. No one
(14:31):
knows anything. It's a
funny one, isn't it?
Because you've you know
freedom of the press
allegedly, and then you
have big business
interests and
More often
than not it seems
That tops everything.
It's not great not great
so what one more thing to
throw a while just
because I think it's
It's a warning sign. I
(14:53):
just got sent my friend
Sent this to me because
he saw it on the
breakdowns or so. He saw
it on casting sites. I
just saw the sketchiest
Breakdown for a non-union
horror film hit me. It is
so egregious. I had to
tell you about it
I love um, I don't even
know what we will have
(15:14):
pictures and the
breakdown in the video
Um, I have to double
check if I'm even allowed
to show this
But they were allowed to
post post this as a
non-union horror film,
okay, this is
so sketchy and
The joke it actually let
me just tell you what it
is. Hold on.
Let me find it
This is a non-union
feature film. This is a
(15:34):
fictitious adult actress.
Okay, that is the role
that they're looking for
I'm not even gonna read
the breakdown. Give me
some highlights of the
breakdown. Oh, actually
it is kind of hilarious
We do have to say this.
So this is a non-union. I
didn't even
know if it's a
Horror film but
it's non-union
$125 a day for two days
Fictitious adult actress
(15:56):
you are a woman who has
lived a full and
challenging life shaped
by both
ambition and adversity
Along the way you've
developed coping
mechanisms which have
slowly taken a toll
including struggles with
substance abuse
Now you're at
a turning point
Seeking change you take a
courageous step toward
healing by joining
Narcotics anonymous your
(16:17):
journey is one of
self-discovery
accountability and
resilience as you begin
to reclaim your sense of
self and hope
for the future
Wow
Which sounds you know,
which sounds
like you know, okay
All right fair enough and
you know, I was expecting
something like you
relieve the stresses of
life by taking
your clothes off
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
fair that's fair they did
(16:38):
try this is a very
aspirational
Breakdown, okay. Tell us
the note that in bold
note required
action for the part
The director is
requesting a short
self-taped video that
looks like it would be
long in a porn
scene. Oh male lead
The male lead will be
(16:59):
watching this video on
his phone at the
beginning of the film
Please refer to this
attached image for
framing and
composition. I
have an attached photo
of a
Possibly real or
fictitious porn scene in
this breakdown
this house
listed a picture I
(17:22):
Is this even a real
movie? Is this is this
just a fucking let's
that's what I'm saying
That's what I'm saying.
So this is this is a PSA
and you know,
unfortunately
I should we should have
done this earlier when it
was actually casting but
this is a PSA
and got shot down
Is that hopefully be
careful for all the
non-union postings and
(17:42):
movies that people are
submitting for they were
asking for a short
Self-taped video that
looks like it
belongs in a porn film
Please refer to the
attached image for
framing composition,
which will keep the role
from requiring
any sort of nudity
So it's framed in a way
where you're not showing
certain things
that being said
For the performance
itself you will pretend
(18:03):
to be I can't even I
can't even say this
Why do they need that as
the self-tape? Like why
does that have to be the
fucking type? I
I have no idea. Anyway,
they're very thorough
because they gave clear
instructions. I don't
know. So there you go
This was in a breakdown.
I this is the kind of
shit that should be
flagged to be honest
(18:23):
Like because the fact
that that's even out
there. I know exactly. So
anyway, there you go
That's our actors got to
the end of the world PSA
for the week
Moving on that is
word around town
Let us let us get to the
hottest bits of reddit
tearing up the acting
thread on reddit
So basically that the
(18:44):
this post is talking
about the show
adolescence, which is on
Netflix starring Stephen
Graham. This
post is basically
Saying that this show
kills the idea that over
rehearsing lines
kill spontaneity
One every
episode is not spoil it
Yeah, no spoilers, but
every episode is done in
one single take
(19:05):
And the way they achieved
that was they rehearsed
it like a play
And then they had to get
a full clean take every
time at no cuts
So some of the episodes
took I think I think the
shortest I think they got
one in two takes
They did two takes a day
does it I think they
might have got more than
two takes but
the longest one
It took 16 takes so
(19:26):
that's eight days of the
same thing to
try and get this
to try and try and get it
all in one shot and
I've heard this a bit
that like a lot of people
don't like to rehearse or
You know learn their
lines too well because
they feel like it kills
the spontaneity
performance. I think
we've talked
about this before
Yeah, because
we talked about
(19:48):
There was a director
I heard talking about
that that said that that
the freedom is in the
preparation that once
you're fully
fully prepared
Then you can play
with it and be free
And they're right they're
taken it was that it's a
kind of a myth that not
not preparing
Well or not over
rehearsing is what gives
you the freedom
and that spontaneity
But their take was that
(20:08):
it actually it's the
opposite of that
You know and they say
that it takes week they
rehearsed for weeks
before each episode and
that proves that
not over rehearsing
They can still get that
that spontaneous feel and
that real feel off it
Yeah, I think it's a
great point and also by
the way, I I didn't I
watched the first episode
I want to watch more. I I
(20:29):
heard amazing things. I
didn't realize each
episode was a one take
Yeah, well one shot
that's incredible. There
was very minimal
There was minimal sort of
post-production effects
But some of them like
they you know when they
pass the camera through a
window they digitally put
the we had a blended
Yeah, so it looks like
there was actually a
window in there, but
they're not blending
(20:49):
takes. They're just
digitally, you know
Inserting a window so
because obviously you
can't pass it through a
closed window whatever I
see when things like that
things like that
But it was still one
continuous take that
required a massive amount
of coordination from
everybody crew
cast everybody
To try and make it all
work together
so
Like it's a
(21:09):
remarkable achievement
Whatever you think of the
show and you know the
show did really well and
people you know talk
about it and kind of yeah
Ripped about it with
reverence. Yeah. Yeah, no
tough tough material, but
you know a very
like a brilliant show and
Idea, I mean do you like
to you like to rehearse a
lot or do you
like to you know?
(21:30):
We kind of touched upon
it when we when we talked
about Jeremy strong and
Kieran kochen people
change their their habits
And I want to stay I'm
still in class. I want to
stay sharp and up. I'm
always trying
to figure out
the way I
like to work and
You don't want to get too
comfortable
and then you also
are trying to figure out
how to do your
job better and
(21:50):
Ultimately, you just need
to do whatever you need
to do to be brilliant
And so yeah, I think I
kind of waffle in all
honesty. I kind
of waffle away from
Over rehearsing because I
actually do kind of
believe that
but then again
I also see that if I were
was able to rehearse for
(22:10):
three weeks a
month or whatever I
think that
That has value too, and I
think shooting is
going to be a joy
because you got all that
work in and you
figured out the
You figure out script you
figure out all the kinks
you and then you can let
it go on set so
(22:30):
Yeah, I don't I don't
land in one side
But the real stars and a
lot of the superstars and
and at that point they've
been fortunate to find a
way that they like
To work and be
brilliant and I think
Ultimately each person
just has to find their
way. Yeah, I agree and
you hear different
takes from actors
And again, I think you're
I think you're absolutely
right. I think it's
whatever it takes
(22:51):
for you to get to
Where you need to
be to be the best
Past to give the best
possible performance for
me personally, but it
does I think the more I
prepare the more it kills
the chance that
Nerves will derail me or
something will
derail me on the day
where
To just be ready for the
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unexpected. I think if
I'm very very prepared
then I'm ready in that
environment when it can
be quite high
pressure and
You know, it feels like
there can be time
constraints that can be
you know script
changes, whatever
But if I'm very prepared,
I feel a lot more relaxed
So I think what it gives
me is a bit more peace
and a bit more relaxation
because I think of it
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like a like a play
Like you rehearse a play
for four weeks
usually at
least, you know
and
During the run of a play
It changes over time and
you feel it change like
at the start of a run
It's a different play
from like where it is in
the middle of a run and
often the director will
step again and go
This is a different play
than we you know
We rehearsed and you know
makes adjustments and
(23:52):
stuff, but it just kind
of takes on a
life of its own
But that's the thing but
like when you think of it
in terms of theater
You're doing the same
thing night after night
after night after night
and you've already
rehearsed it for four
weeks. I don't
think that kills
The spontaneity of it
because when people i've
seen a lot of great
theater and I know that
it's done over and over
And over again, and i'm
seeing it one night out
of however many there are
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So I think that kills the
argument that you know
over rehearsing
something. I don't think
we need it out of lessons
Tell us that you know
what I mean? I think
yeah, I think that's a
great point. Yeah
I think that's uh
you know, I think it's
it's great that they're
they're
recognizing it but like
I for me personally, I
don't I don't feel like
(24:34):
Um rehearsing a lot kills
the spontaneity. I think
it helps me now
for other people
I know even recently it
was talking to an actor
that was like i've done
this so many times
It's kind of last-time
meaning like i've taken
different notes
and i've done this
Done this scene so many
times like I don't even
know what i'm doing
anymore and I understand
that too. Um
(24:54):
So I think it's an
individual thing
I think yeah going back
to this. I I completely
agree and I even adjust
what what I what I what I
thought originally
I don't I don't
not like rehearsing
um
When people say and I
don't know if you're like
this, uh, once people say
I forced myself
to go to the gym
I
Uh, I never enjoy the i'm
(25:17):
not saying for me, but
some people say I forced
myself to go to the gym
I don't understand why
everyone loves going to
the gym. I do it because
it's good for me, but I I
don't love going there
But I feel
good afterwards
That might be how I feel
about rehearsal
so interesting so I know
it's I know it's good for
me and I like
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I have to fight the the
process of my brain going
to a result that this is
how the scene is
This is how it should be
done instead of
welcoming. Let's workshop
this this is missing
This is missing you're
always going to find
something better if
you're working the
material with
other smart good actors
And that's also a nod to
a lot of the rehearsal
that we do at the con and
(25:58):
what we kind
of how we work
It's it's always going to
make your acting better.
Now. Are you going to
hate it some days?
Yes, are you going to say
some days? Hey, I hate
that note, but
i'm going to try it
That's also great
practice as an actor. So
ultimately I think it
makes actors
better regardless
Whether you're on set
with david vincer or just
working and practicing
(26:19):
and rehearsing
in class. Um,
uh
I think it's ultimately
getting to the point of
workshop workshop tweak
this tweak this can we
improve this can we find
moments there?
And never set on a final
performance and then
ultimately hopefully
Be able to let it go
Which is probably the
hardest part after
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rehearsing a lot and then
that's the I think that's
the work that we're all
trying to get
To I think great acting.
I think this conversation
is actually kind of
separate from
great acting
There are so many great
actors that we've seen
that are a little more
off the cuff. Maybe it's
kieran kulkin. Maybe it's
uh, uh, marlin brando
Um, there's also so many
heavily
rehearsed david vincer
(27:01):
movies where they do
60 takes sometimes and
They're great actors and
it looks like they're
singing for the
first time. So
It's it's ultimately
everyone's trying to get
to great acting how you
get there might be
individual to the actor
To the actor so I do
remember that there was
this video of tom holland
talking about how he
(27:22):
Likes to go over his
lines in the morning of
when he's in
the makeup chair
I think a lot of these
stories are kind of
mythologized that uh,
these actors are just so
talented and so
spontaneous
kieran kulkin like that
They just show up and
they're brilliant. I
think it's
kind of misleading
uh tom holland in general
(27:44):
I think we can safely say
that tom holland is also
a great actor and
I would like to think
that that does
not mean that he
Has not done hours weeks
months of work and
preparation before that
morning in
the makeup chair
So a lot of times that
these stories are kind of
conflated with each other
They uh, it kind of gets
(28:05):
mixed up with
learning lines
You know, I think most
actors know that that is
not the the majority of
the work is just
memorizing lines. There's
so much other
Things that we need to
work worry about or um
try to accomplish
so
There's that you're right
It is it is a bit
misleading because it
suggests that there isn't
any prep done when
actually there's
(28:26):
lots of prep done
And david fincher I
either saw an interview
with him recently or read
something where he said
the reason he
does so many takes
Is like you've spent all
this money to bring all
these people to this
place. Why would you not?
Why would you not spend
the time to
get it, right?
Um, I literally saw that
video last week too. I
think it was circulating.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah to uh to david
(28:46):
fincher's point and
granted I
haven't been on the
Uh, I would love to be in
the david fincher
movie and I would
You know, I would love
that problem that david
vincer is doing too many
takes with me
Sometimes you have to say
it a lot. So
you stop acting
It's not that crazy and I
think that's fair
It's like after a while
you're not acting anymore
and maybe that's what
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he's trying to get to
The danger in that with
self-tapes for me is like
you kind of get into a
bit of a line read
Where you're just doing
the same scene over and
over and over and over
and you just get into a
bit of a line read
That can and that can
pull the spontaneity out
of it. I do
understand that
Um, but then I think you
know, if you can walk
away from it
and come back
You can start fresh again
on that. I find but I do
(29:27):
I do know if I
do too many takes
I just get into
like a kind of a
A bit of a like a rut of
this is how i'm
saying this line
This is how i'm saying
this line and I lose a
bit of the thoughts in
the spontaneity and
understanding you'll
never get to perfect
I mean we talked about
this your day, but
perfection implies that
there's a destination
that you're
trying to get you that
There's a single right
way of doing something
(29:48):
Uh, we're talking about
the difference between
fluency and perfection
whereas fluency
um
You know
something like language
If you're if you're
fluent in a language
You can say things a
different way and you can
say things in a
surprising way and you
can say things
in a poetic way
And I think that we're
talking about that being
the goal rather
than perfection
Which is just a very
binary kind of a there is
(30:09):
a perfect and you strive
towards
perfect and you know
There's one there's
there's one pinpoint of a
destination 100
Some other little bits
from the reddit
headlines. This is a
great point
about rehearsing
Rehearsing things forces
you to look for every
single alternative
alternative way of
processing a
line delivery
You may scratch version a
and version b during
different takes but with
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proper rehearsals
You'll get to version w
and version x
Which will undoubtedly be
things that no other
actor would think of
anyone can think of of
version a which I
think is a great
way of
Of putting that which is
kind of like what I was
saying about rehearsal
that
If you have the time and
if you're afforded the
time or if you're a movie
star and you're afforded
(30:51):
that luxury of
multiple takes and doing
it ways that you wanted
And possibly improvising
you have that luxury and
it's going to be better.
This is a great one
I think a lot of it has
to do with ego
They want to come off as
amazing actors so they
don't need to rehearse
that much because their
natural talent
Will do the work for them
when the time comes some
of it can even just be
(31:11):
laziness and they'll
rehearse until
it's good enough
And I think that's a
great way to put it.
There is a lot
of ego involved
There's a lot of
mythologizing about how
talented naturally
talented these actors are
and I think it's
Doing a disservice to a
lot of actors and that's
why we're
talking about this
This poster, uh, the name
is great. By the way, the
(31:31):
gap in tyson's teeth
Says I think it's because
there are two conflicting
ideas here that
often get combined
Learning your lines is
the drilling of
memorization. It's the
stuff people create
You know memory
techniques for this helps
them with their
performances because
having the words locked
in means they can just
live the character
Others take
it off the page
Which is to say that they
(31:52):
work the lines
instinctively explore
their impulses and
instincts within the
character when
delivering each line
This causes an
internalization of the
words and not necessarily
a word verbatim
memorization
People who do this might
often say they
don't learn lines
But that just means they
don't memorize verbatim
But everything about the
performance still comes
from the text or there's
(32:12):
nothing to perform now
This is a big
generalization. I believe
but I think it it it
spells out and
it it articulates
This distinction pretty
well if there's a niche
third group who literally
doesn't base the source
of their
performance in the text
Then they aren't really
actors and their advice
should be ignored
So, um, I thought that
(32:32):
was fair. I think I think
that's a fair point. All
right, so that's uh,
great reddit
advice everyone
another week
Reddit rips. Okay. So my
hidden gem for this week
is a bit of an
odd one, but I
Went for dinner in a
friend's house the other
night and his partner is
italian and she cooked an
italian style meal
And as part of
(32:52):
that meal she cooked
Fennel like breaded
fennel, which was
fantastic like just
lightly breaded
Fennel like
cooked in a pan
I have never thought of
fennel as a food that you
could eat on its own
But it was excellent and
that's like a big central
italian thing.
I was like, huh?
There you go.
(33:12):
Okay. Look into okay
Look into fennel guys,
you know, I like that
sleeping on
fennel like me
And so for my hidden gem,
it's going to be also
culinary. I just uh did a
little visit to
new york recently
And i'm not gonna lie.
I'm not a boba person.
Uh, if you heard of boba
tea, it's the
one with the uh,
(33:33):
gelatin like
sweet
However, you want to call
them gelatinous balls in
milk tea boba tea
Sometimes they do matcha
and various other
flavors. It's called shin
futong. It's
actually from taiwan
So, uh, they're legit. I
personally like to
Go all the way to
flushing for the for uh
(33:55):
that location. You
actually see them
Making the boba balls
By hand get out. It is
incredible. So anyway, if
you're a fan of boba tea
Go out and get it. It's
shin futong. Uh, that's a
chinese name
Xing fu tng
Uh, and uh, that's the
(34:16):
spot. That's the spot
everyone. They got
locations all over
manhattan in new york
Um, and uh, check it out
if you're into that
So that's our show
everyone hope you enjoyed
it leave us a like leave
us a review when
you get a chance
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For many of us have been
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changed their terms of
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whatever content you
Send using we
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They can use in
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they claim some ownership
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also gets into the
To murky enough waters
(02:45):
with NDAs and stuff like
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auditions that we
Do now come with NDAs
where you're you know,
you're not to share them
with anybody else
You're not to distribute
them electronically or
not to you know
whatever
So I'm sure that that
would be a risk for
intellectual property for
(03:05):
studios and
stuff. No, I don't know
So you're you're you're
completely onto something
so in this article from
art news they actually
talked about
this NDA issue
specifically
posted on blue sky
What these companies
don't get or seem to care
about is those of us who
are professionals in
Post-production and rely
on tools like we transfer
to send materials to
(03:26):
clients have also signed
NDAs that are complete
conflict with their new
TOS legally. We can't use
retransfer
now. There you go
This is why everyone's
freaking out a lot of
people have been using we
transfer for
almost every audition
It depends on really how
you get your auditions.
It depends. Yeah,
sometimes a drop box
Sometimes it's access or
a service
like that. We are
(03:47):
Directly uploading but a
lot of the time it's we
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the easiest way to send a
file exactly
and it's free now
We're finding out why
it's free exactly. So two
days ago. They
backtracked on
their their release
They published a blog
post that talks a more
that that highlights more
details about the updates
(04:08):
The company says in the
blog post first things
first your content is
always your content. Oh,
well, thank you
That's that's relieving.
Um, yeah, we're not we're
not worried
at all anymore
The post goes on to say
The post goes on to say
we don't use machine
learning or any form of
(04:29):
AI to process content
shared via we transfer
I think the machine
learning really flagged
Mostly for for most
people we transfer
explains that its use of
AI would be to improve
Content moderation and
enhance its ability to
prevent the distribution
of harmful content across
its platform whether we
believe that to be true
Who knows? Um, they say
(04:50):
that AI tools aren't
being used and haven't
even been built yet
Uh to avoid confusion.
We've removed
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It doesn't matter what
they say they're going to
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to do anything
They want with it
Whatever they say is
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you're just
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And and if they if
they're an egg
on their word
There's no consequence
because you've already
agreed to you can do
whatever you want with
it. So that's
a great point
That's a great point
they if people didn't
balk if people didn't
complain if people didn't
highlight and share these
posts and and and
highlight the dangers
(05:31):
they probably
wouldn't have a
Backtracked by the way,
how many times do we get
an email or a message
from Facebook saying they
updated their
terms and conditions?
We have no idea how many
times that they've
changed it and all to all
the things that
we're agreeing to
So have you ever in your
life read from start to
finish any terms and
conditions like from
start to finish?
(05:52):
I mean I've skimmed them
and look through them for
but I've never
So much stuff in there.
Oh, yeah. Yeah
I mean
It's a lot for us to
highlight a paragraph in
our podcast talking about
this stuff let alone the
entire terms
and conditions
It's insane. So um also
Just I was just gonna say
incidentally by listening
to this podcast you give
(06:13):
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that right?
That's implicit
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your attention. Hopefully
I'm finances
Social media accounts, so
there you go. We've
talked about this with
our other companies
There are a lot of
companies that we're
we're trying to use
(06:34):
Safely because
we don't even know
What they're actually
doing and here we
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one of them now
But they
backtracked on the AI
and
They say that it's for
our protection and to
improve the service which
every company
essentially says that
(06:54):
Yeah, is this going to
change people from not
using we transfer
anymore? I don't know to
be honest. I'm
probably not gonna
I bet I'll take a hit
Exactly. Oh, they will
take it and in all
honesty. We found that
they backtracked
a couple days ago
I don't even think people
know that they
backtracked. So I don't I
don't know if
these will change it
(07:15):
Change their anyone's
opinion because I'm sure
the initial the initial
outburst over it is
bigger news
than the backtrack
Exactly. So that's what
we remember. Yeah, that's
why like a misstep like
that as a company
Can probably be quite
devastating to the bit.
I'm not devastating sir
I would but like it can
probably impact
their business
Pretty significantly
(07:36):
because social media I
think social media
amplifies everything like
that where
everybody's like
Did you hear this and
which is great in one way
because you're like, oh
don't use this service
There's a lot of good and
there's a lot of bad just
go back to posting
Posting DVDs like we used
to do to remember that
nailing TV. I remember
like sending DVDs back to
Ireland FedEx and DVDs
(07:57):
Oh for Netflix
No, no
Burning burning a DVD and
do we have to be
Appreciated for the fact
that we don't do that
anymore. That's insane
So less bullet points for
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is always your content
In fact your section 6.2
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and interest including
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No, we are not using your
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third parties GDPR is
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Yeah, nice pretty pretty
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What is the G stand for?
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it's an EU law
Good to know. Yeah, it's
pretty including the take
that pretty seriously in
the EU. Yeah
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Cool. Great. Yeah, Ian
you knows what
they're doing
Sometimes
Okay, so they had to make
that clear because
everyone was
freaked out and
Completely confused by
their first change in
terms of services
Terms in agreement. So
there you go. So we
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(09:19):
We'll see what happens
with this and
if people go
back to it, but
so
This week a lot of people
are up in arms about the
late show with Stephen
Colbert getting canceled
He's not getting fired.
He he he issued he did a
monologue or he did he
actually talked
about on his show
He's not getting fired.
(09:40):
The show is just poof
getting canceled, which
is a long running show
Actually, let's start
from the beginning
Stephen
Colbert was very open
He's very liberal. He was
very open criticizing and
making jokes about the
Settlement paid to Donald
Trump about that CBS paid
for their 60 minute 60
minute special
(10:01):
so that was probably one
of many things that
Trump and maybe the
higher-ups did not like.
Oh, yeah, he called it a
bribe. He
called it a bribe
That they settled with
Donald Trump in
the hopes that their
merger with
Skydance would be
(10:21):
Favorite upon
So you scratch my back.
I'll scratch yours. He
made a joke about it,
which people are
speculating is part of
this cancellation
CBS claims that it was
agonizing you
have all the
You know, you
know Fox News
Talking about how
expensive the show was
making all these excuses
(10:41):
for why this might be
canceled that wasn't
Politically motivated or
unethical other
implications
We know that Skydance is
run by David Ellison. His
father is Larry Ellison a
longtime Trump associate
It's not that hard to see
the political
implications here
according to the
ratings. It was
(11:03):
One of the top rated
watched late night shows.
Yeah, I believe it. He's
a really
popular presenter
He's good. I mean, I
don't know. Do you watch
late night? Are you a
late night watcher?
In all honesty, I don't
have normal TV. So, um,
if anything it would be
clips. I don't
really watch it
but I
(11:25):
Mean, I love I like
Steven Colbert. I think
it's really sharp really
funny. I mean, I loved
the Colbert report
I thought that was
incredible. I just it was
such a great
That was I think that was
my favorite show on
Comedy Central at the
time more than the Daily
Show even because
I just loved his
Take I loved
that character
He played when he
went to late night
I was disappointed
(11:46):
because I loved that show
so much and I didn't I
got don't
watch like you said
I don't watch
terrestrial TV either
Really, but I do see a
lot of clips of it and
I'd see a lot of clips
pop up here and there
but yeah, like a really
great performer and and
By all accounts a
really good host
And you know, it's here.
Here's the thing. It
brings up the we're not
(12:07):
gonna dive
into this too much
but it brings up to the
the sad truth that
How much power and how
much voice do you really
have when you're working
for a network?
And they make and and
they sign your checks
Because you're even
Colbert was definitely
more vocal and definitely
more pointed
(12:27):
with a lot of his
comedy and and
Yeah, so other host dudes
here. I see I see John
Oliver do it. Oh
Well, John Oliver like
John Oliver's on a whole
nother world John. Oh, by
the way, that's
also HBO though
So I think you get a
little bit of a lampoon
AT&T, you know an AT&T
where you know owned HBO
(12:48):
and whatever and that's
since changed hands, but
He yeah, he's take the
piss out of them all the
time, which is very
funny, but never
seemed to quite
You know, he didn't get
canned for it
You know it was it was so
I don't know if they just
have a better
sense of humor
Or honest John Oliver in
my eyes. He's my
favorite for sure
So just about these
(13:08):
ratings as the second
quarter of 2025 wrapped
late nights pecking order
held mostly steady the
late show with
Stephen Colbert
tops the 1135 p.m. Hour
in total viewers late
night with Seth Meyers
Leading at 1237 while
that's late. Um across
both key ratings metrics
CBS is late show was the
only show among the nine
to draw more total
(13:29):
viewers in q2 than it had
in the first quarter of
2025 it was actually
increasing in viewers.
Yeah, and that was the
only one that
actually did
So there you go. So this
this problem in
viewership and and
followers. It's
nowhere to be seen
Averaged 2.42 million
(13:49):
viewers across 41
episodes comfortably
outpacing
Jimmy Kimmel live
And tonight's show is
with Jimmy Fallon. So
there you go.
That's interesting
I wouldn't have guessed
that to be honest, but
that's I know I wasn't
exactly I want
to guess that too
And it's all
it's all later
Yeah
What are you all doing
staying up? How late do
people stay up watching
(14:09):
tell you dude?
I can't even imagine I
could be in bed by 9
every night.
I would be oh
Yeah, I strive for that.
The big question is is
what is next John Stewart
just said this past week
He doesn't know what's
gonna happen either if
for those that don't know
daily show is also a
paramount property
So there you go. No one
(14:31):
knows anything. It's a
funny one, isn't it?
Because you've you know
freedom of the press
allegedly, and then you
have big business
interests and
More often
than not it seems
That tops everything.
It's not great not great
so what one more thing to
throw a while just
because I think it's
It's a warning sign. I
(14:53):
just got sent my friend
Sent this to me because
he saw it on the
breakdowns or so. He saw
it on casting sites. I
just saw the sketchiest
Breakdown for a non-union
horror film hit me. It is
so egregious. I had to
tell you about it
I love um, I don't even
know what we will have
(15:14):
pictures and the
breakdown in the video
Um, I have to double
check if I'm even allowed
to show this
But they were allowed to
post post this as a
non-union horror film,
okay, this is
so sketchy and
The joke it actually let
me just tell you what it
is. Hold on.
Let me find it
This is a non-union
feature film. This is a
(15:34):
fictitious adult actress.
Okay, that is the role
that they're looking for
I'm not even gonna read
the breakdown. Give me
some highlights of the
breakdown. Oh, actually
it is kind of hilarious
We do have to say this.
So this is a non-union. I
didn't even
know if it's a
Horror film but
it's non-union
$125 a day for two days
Fictitious adult actress
(15:56):
you are a woman who has
lived a full and
challenging life shaped
by both
ambition and adversity
Along the way you've
developed coping
mechanisms which have
slowly taken a toll
including struggles with
substance abuse
Now you're at
a turning point
Seeking change you take a
courageous step toward
healing by joining
Narcotics anonymous your
(16:17):
journey is one of
self-discovery
accountability and
resilience as you begin
to reclaim your sense of
self and hope
for the future
Wow
Which sounds you know,
which sounds
like you know, okay
All right fair enough and
you know, I was expecting
something like you
relieve the stresses of
life by taking
your clothes off
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
fair that's fair they did
(16:38):
try this is a very
aspirational
Breakdown, okay. Tell us
the note that in bold
note required
action for the part
The director is
requesting a short
self-taped video that
looks like it would be
long in a porn
scene. Oh male lead
The male lead will be
(16:59):
watching this video on
his phone at the
beginning of the film
Please refer to this
attached image for
framing and
composition. I
have an attached photo
of a
Possibly real or
fictitious porn scene in
this breakdown
this house
listed a picture I
(17:22):
Is this even a real
movie? Is this is this
just a fucking let's
that's what I'm saying
That's what I'm saying.
So this is this is a PSA
and you know,
unfortunately
I should we should have
done this earlier when it
was actually casting but
this is a PSA
and got shot down
Is that hopefully be
careful for all the
non-union postings and
(17:42):
movies that people are
submitting for they were
asking for a short
Self-taped video that
looks like it
belongs in a porn film
Please refer to the
attached image for
framing composition,
which will keep the role
from requiring
any sort of nudity
So it's framed in a way
where you're not showing
certain things
that being said
For the performance
itself you will pretend
(18:03):
to be I can't even I
can't even say this
Why do they need that as
the self-tape? Like why
does that have to be the
fucking type? I
I have no idea. Anyway,
they're very thorough
because they gave clear
instructions. I don't
know. So there you go
This was in a breakdown.
I this is the kind of
shit that should be
flagged to be honest
(18:23):
Like because the fact
that that's even out
there. I know exactly. So
anyway, there you go
That's our actors got to
the end of the world PSA
for the week
Moving on that is
word around town
Let us let us get to the
hottest bits of reddit
tearing up the acting
thread on reddit
So basically that the
(18:44):
this post is talking
about the show
adolescence, which is on
Netflix starring Stephen
Graham. This
post is basically
Saying that this show
kills the idea that over
rehearsing lines
kill spontaneity
One every
episode is not spoil it
Yeah, no spoilers, but
every episode is done in
one single take
(19:05):
And the way they achieved
that was they rehearsed
it like a play
And then they had to get
a full clean take every
time at no cuts
So some of the episodes
took I think I think the
shortest I think they got
one in two takes
They did two takes a day
does it I think they
might have got more than
two takes but
the longest one
It took 16 takes so
(19:26):
that's eight days of the
same thing to
try and get this
to try and try and get it
all in one shot and
I've heard this a bit
that like a lot of people
don't like to rehearse or
You know learn their
lines too well because
they feel like it kills
the spontaneity
performance. I think
we've talked
about this before
Yeah, because
we talked about
(19:48):
There was a director
I heard talking about
that that said that that
the freedom is in the
preparation that once
you're fully
fully prepared
Then you can play
with it and be free
And they're right they're
taken it was that it's a
kind of a myth that not
not preparing
Well or not over
rehearsing is what gives
you the freedom
and that spontaneity
But their take was that
(20:08):
it actually it's the
opposite of that
You know and they say
that it takes week they
rehearsed for weeks
before each episode and
that proves that
not over rehearsing
They can still get that
that spontaneous feel and
that real feel off it
Yeah, I think it's a
great point and also by
the way, I I didn't I
watched the first episode
I want to watch more. I I
(20:29):
heard amazing things. I
didn't realize each
episode was a one take
Yeah, well one shot
that's incredible. There
was very minimal
There was minimal sort of
post-production effects
But some of them like
they you know when they
pass the camera through a
window they digitally put
the we had a blended
Yeah, so it looks like
there was actually a
window in there, but
they're not blending
(20:49):
takes. They're just
digitally, you know
Inserting a window so
because obviously you
can't pass it through a
closed window whatever I
see when things like that
things like that
But it was still one
continuous take that
required a massive amount
of coordination from
everybody crew
cast everybody
To try and make it all
work together
so
Like it's a
(21:09):
remarkable achievement
Whatever you think of the
show and you know the
show did really well and
people you know talk
about it and kind of yeah
Ripped about it with
reverence. Yeah. Yeah, no
tough tough material, but
you know a very
like a brilliant show and
Idea, I mean do you like
to you like to rehearse a
lot or do you
like to you know?
(21:30):
We kind of touched upon
it when we when we talked
about Jeremy strong and
Kieran kochen people
change their their habits
And I want to stay I'm
still in class. I want to
stay sharp and up. I'm
always trying
to figure out
the way I
like to work and
You don't want to get too
comfortable
and then you also
are trying to figure out
how to do your
job better and
(21:50):
Ultimately, you just need
to do whatever you need
to do to be brilliant
And so yeah, I think I
kind of waffle in all
honesty. I kind
of waffle away from
Over rehearsing because I
actually do kind of
believe that
but then again
I also see that if I were
was able to rehearse for
(22:10):
three weeks a
month or whatever I
think that
That has value too, and I
think shooting is
going to be a joy
because you got all that
work in and you
figured out the
You figure out script you
figure out all the kinks
you and then you can let
it go on set so
(22:30):
Yeah, I don't I don't
land in one side
But the real stars and a
lot of the superstars and
and at that point they've
been fortunate to find a
way that they like
To work and be
brilliant and I think
Ultimately each person
just has to find their
way. Yeah, I agree and
you hear different
takes from actors
And again, I think you're
I think you're absolutely
right. I think it's
whatever it takes
(22:51):
for you to get to
Where you need to
be to be the best
Past to give the best
possible performance for
me personally, but it
does I think the more I
prepare the more it kills
the chance that
Nerves will derail me or
something will
derail me on the day
where
To just be ready for the
(23:12):
unexpected. I think if
I'm very very prepared
then I'm ready in that
environment when it can
be quite high
pressure and
You know, it feels like
there can be time
constraints that can be
you know script
changes, whatever
But if I'm very prepared,
I feel a lot more relaxed
So I think what it gives
me is a bit more peace
and a bit more relaxation
because I think of it
(23:32):
like a like a play
Like you rehearse a play
for four weeks
usually at
least, you know
and
During the run of a play
It changes over time and
you feel it change like
at the start of a run
It's a different play
from like where it is in
the middle of a run and
often the director will
step again and go
This is a different play
than we you know
We rehearsed and you know
makes adjustments and
(23:52):
stuff, but it just kind
of takes on a
life of its own
But that's the thing but
like when you think of it
in terms of theater
You're doing the same
thing night after night
after night after night
and you've already
rehearsed it for four
weeks. I don't
think that kills
The spontaneity of it
because when people i've
seen a lot of great
theater and I know that
it's done over and over
And over again, and i'm
seeing it one night out
of however many there are
(24:13):
So I think that kills the
argument that you know
over rehearsing
something. I don't think
we need it out of lessons
Tell us that you know
what I mean? I think
yeah, I think that's a
great point. Yeah
I think that's uh
you know, I think it's
it's great that they're
they're
recognizing it but like
I for me personally, I
don't I don't feel like
(24:34):
Um rehearsing a lot kills
the spontaneity. I think
it helps me now
for other people
I know even recently it
was talking to an actor
that was like i've done
this so many times
It's kind of last-time
meaning like i've taken
different notes
and i've done this
Done this scene so many
times like I don't even
know what i'm doing
anymore and I understand
that too. Um
(24:54):
So I think it's an
individual thing
I think yeah going back
to this. I I completely
agree and I even adjust
what what I what I what I
thought originally
I don't I don't
not like rehearsing
um
When people say and I
don't know if you're like
this, uh, once people say
I forced myself
to go to the gym
I
Uh, I never enjoy the i'm
(25:17):
not saying for me, but
some people say I forced
myself to go to the gym
I don't understand why
everyone loves going to
the gym. I do it because
it's good for me, but I I
don't love going there
But I feel
good afterwards
That might be how I feel
about rehearsal
so interesting so I know
it's I know it's good for
me and I like
(25:37):
I have to fight the the
process of my brain going
to a result that this is
how the scene is
This is how it should be
done instead of
welcoming. Let's workshop
this this is missing
This is missing you're
always going to find
something better if
you're working the
material with
other smart good actors
And that's also a nod to
a lot of the rehearsal
that we do at the con and
(25:58):
what we kind
of how we work
It's it's always going to
make your acting better.
Now. Are you going to
hate it some days?
Yes, are you going to say
some days? Hey, I hate
that note, but
i'm going to try it
That's also great
practice as an actor. So
ultimately I think it
makes actors
better regardless
Whether you're on set
with david vincer or just
working and practicing
(26:19):
and rehearsing
in class. Um,
uh
I think it's ultimately
getting to the point of
workshop workshop tweak
this tweak this can we
improve this can we find
moments there?
And never set on a final
performance and then
ultimately hopefully
Be able to let it go
Which is probably the
hardest part after
(26:39):
rehearsing a lot and then
that's the I think that's
the work that we're all
trying to get
To I think great acting.
I think this conversation
is actually kind of
separate from
great acting
There are so many great
actors that we've seen
that are a little more
off the cuff. Maybe it's
kieran kulkin. Maybe it's
uh, uh, marlin brando
Um, there's also so many
heavily
rehearsed david vincer
(27:01):
movies where they do
60 takes sometimes and
They're great actors and
it looks like they're
singing for the
first time. So
It's it's ultimately
everyone's trying to get
to great acting how you
get there might be
individual to the actor
To the actor so I do
remember that there was
this video of tom holland
talking about how he
(27:22):
Likes to go over his
lines in the morning of
when he's in
the makeup chair
I think a lot of these
stories are kind of
mythologized that uh,
these actors are just so
talented and so
spontaneous
kieran kulkin like that
They just show up and
they're brilliant. I
think it's
kind of misleading
uh tom holland in general
(27:44):
I think we can safely say
that tom holland is also
a great actor and
I would like to think
that that does
not mean that he
Has not done hours weeks
months of work and
preparation before that
morning in
the makeup chair
So a lot of times that
these stories are kind of
conflated with each other
They uh, it kind of gets
(28:05):
mixed up with
learning lines
You know, I think most
actors know that that is
not the the majority of
the work is just
memorizing lines. There's
so much other
Things that we need to
work worry about or um
try to accomplish
so
There's that you're right
It is it is a bit
misleading because it
suggests that there isn't
any prep done when
actually there's
(28:26):
lots of prep done
And david fincher I
either saw an interview
with him recently or read
something where he said
the reason he
does so many takes
Is like you've spent all
this money to bring all
these people to this
place. Why would you not?
Why would you not spend
the time to
get it, right?
Um, I literally saw that
video last week too. I
think it was circulating.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah to uh to david
(28:46):
fincher's point and
granted I
haven't been on the
Uh, I would love to be in
the david fincher
movie and I would
You know, I would love
that problem that david
vincer is doing too many
takes with me
Sometimes you have to say
it a lot. So
you stop acting
It's not that crazy and I
think that's fair
It's like after a while
you're not acting anymore
and maybe that's what
(29:06):
he's trying to get to
The danger in that with
self-tapes for me is like
you kind of get into a
bit of a line read
Where you're just doing
the same scene over and
over and over and over
and you just get into a
bit of a line read
That can and that can
pull the spontaneity out
of it. I do
understand that
Um, but then I think you
know, if you can walk
away from it
and come back
You can start fresh again
on that. I find but I do
(29:27):
I do know if I
do too many takes
I just get into
like a kind of a
A bit of a like a rut of
this is how i'm
saying this line
This is how i'm saying
this line and I lose a
bit of the thoughts in
the spontaneity and
understanding you'll
never get to perfect
I mean we talked about
this your day, but
perfection implies that
there's a destination
that you're
trying to get you that
There's a single right
way of doing something
(29:48):
Uh, we're talking about
the difference between
fluency and perfection
whereas fluency
um
You know
something like language
If you're if you're
fluent in a language
You can say things a
different way and you can
say things in a
surprising way and you
can say things
in a poetic way
And I think that we're
talking about that being
the goal rather
than perfection
Which is just a very
binary kind of a there is
(30:09):
a perfect and you strive
towards
perfect and you know
There's one there's
there's one pinpoint of a
destination 100
Some other little bits
from the reddit
headlines. This is a
great point
about rehearsing
Rehearsing things forces
you to look for every
single alternative
alternative way of
processing a
line delivery
You may scratch version a
and version b during
different takes but with
(30:30):
proper rehearsals
You'll get to version w
and version x
Which will undoubtedly be
things that no other
actor would think of
anyone can think of of
version a which I
think is a great
way of
Of putting that which is
kind of like what I was
saying about rehearsal
that
If you have the time and
if you're afforded the
time or if you're a movie
star and you're afforded
(30:51):
that luxury of
multiple takes and doing
it ways that you wanted
And possibly improvising
you have that luxury and
it's going to be better.
This is a great one
I think a lot of it has
to do with ego
They want to come off as
amazing actors so they
don't need to rehearse
that much because their
natural talent
Will do the work for them
when the time comes some
of it can even just be
(31:11):
laziness and they'll
rehearse until
it's good enough
And I think that's a
great way to put it.
There is a lot
of ego involved
There's a lot of
mythologizing about how
talented naturally
talented these actors are
and I think it's
Doing a disservice to a
lot of actors and that's
why we're
talking about this
This poster, uh, the name
is great. By the way, the
(31:31):
gap in tyson's teeth
Says I think it's because
there are two conflicting
ideas here that
often get combined
Learning your lines is
the drilling of
memorization. It's the
stuff people create
You know memory
techniques for this helps
them with their
performances because
having the words locked
in means they can just
live the character
Others take
it off the page
Which is to say that they
(31:52):
work the lines
instinctively explore
their impulses and
instincts within the
character when
delivering each line
This causes an
internalization of the
words and not necessarily
a word verbatim
memorization
People who do this might
often say they
don't learn lines
But that just means they
don't memorize verbatim
But everything about the
performance still comes
from the text or there's
(32:12):
nothing to perform now
This is a big
generalization. I believe
but I think it it it
spells out and
it it articulates
This distinction pretty
well if there's a niche
third group who literally
doesn't base the source
of their
performance in the text
Then they aren't really
actors and their advice
should be ignored
So, um, I thought that
(32:32):
was fair. I think I think
that's a fair point. All
right, so that's uh,
great reddit
advice everyone
another week
Reddit rips. Okay. So my
hidden gem for this week
is a bit of an
odd one, but I
Went for dinner in a
friend's house the other
night and his partner is
italian and she cooked an
italian style meal
And as part of
(32:52):
that meal she cooked
Fennel like breaded
fennel, which was
fantastic like just
lightly breaded
Fennel like
cooked in a pan
I have never thought of
fennel as a food that you
could eat on its own
But it was excellent and
that's like a big central
italian thing.
I was like, huh?
There you go.
(33:12):
Okay. Look into okay
Look into fennel guys,
you know, I like that
sleeping on
fennel like me
And so for my hidden gem,
it's going to be also
culinary. I just uh did a
little visit to
new york recently
And i'm not gonna lie.
I'm not a boba person.
Uh, if you heard of boba
tea, it's the
one with the uh,
(33:33):
gelatin like
sweet
However, you want to call
them gelatinous balls in
milk tea boba tea
Sometimes they do matcha
and various other
flavors. It's called shin
futong. It's
actually from taiwan
So, uh, they're legit. I
personally like to
Go all the way to
flushing for the for uh
(33:55):
that location. You
actually see them
Making the boba balls
By hand get out. It is
incredible. So anyway, if
you're a fan of boba tea
Go out and get it. It's
shin futong. Uh, that's a
chinese name
Xing fu tng
Uh, and uh, that's the
(34:16):
spot. That's the spot
everyone. They got
locations all over
manhattan in new york
Um, and uh, check it out
if you're into that
So that's our show
everyone hope you enjoyed
it leave us a like leave
us a review when
you get a chance
Uh, and we'll see you
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