October 12, 2024 • 46 mins
Pam, Teri and Ann of the Art Sluts (1983-86) discuss topics of the day, how they got started, how they all ended up in Austin and an interview Art Sluts did with Daniel Johnston in 1985. Plus two songs, by Meat Joy. All proceeds go to support Planned Parenthood.
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So we fucked it.
What were you saying, Terri?
I'm just thinking about all kinds of stuff.
You know, I spent most of the two years of my graduate school experience inhabiting ashanty town on the administrative lawn.
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And I honestly, the most one of the proudest things in my life was when we won and got theuniversity to divest from the gold in South Africa.
And I used to
play that song.
I used to play the Castle brain to pray song with Toshi Reagan.
What are we doing in South Africa?
Every, every time I did my show on KOPN until it changed.
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That's great.
And then we were living outside in fucking shanties.
Right?
Yeah.
It was crazy.
And then you mentioned earlier the Midwest Women's Festival.
that was awesome.
And and did you also go to that?
I went one time I.
I remember it was Rosalia.
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Yes, Rosalia.
Larry was in love with Rosalia.
my God.
Yeah, she was a great guitar player.
Yeah.
And I remember we were driving down.
I try remember who else was in the car.
Maybe it was Debo, Rosalia.
Yeah, was really...
Sheila's probably.
But yeah, we were driving topless to the women's...
And I had...
That's the one and only one.
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I know, Terry, you were Yeah, yeah, And there was a...
kind of famous author was there.
Kind of now I'm drawing a blank.
Science fiction, feminist science fiction author.
Wait, Is this the one down at the Ozarks that we're talking about?
Yeah, totally.
And then Terry was hanging out in the, I forget what you guys called it, but it was likefeminist empowered, like bondage.
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Yeah, the sexual freedom.
This is when we met Phoenix and Jessie Deer Woman and Oakleaf.
Oakleaf used to be a nun.
were the dragon women's collective.
That's right.
No, were dragon women.
Four women lived on dragon land that was adjacent to the site where the Midwest Women'sFestival was.
And then there were these two women, Jessie Deer Woman.
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first it was Oakleaf and then later it was Dragon Phoenix.
And we moved them from Hot Springs, Arkansas because their house got burned down becausethey were accused of being witches.
And so they had to move up to and then they lived outside in the country.
And then this is really where my whole trip that I'm doing now with Aphrodite Templestarted.
Those women who are in their 40s convinced the the past of 20 year olds that the historyof women and witchcraft was women getting together and having sex, that there never had
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been a devil, that that was just made up, but that what we should do is tell each otherour sexual fantasies and then enact them.
and take turns doing that.
And we did that for a good two years, every full moon out in the country.
And here's a song I wrote called Umbilical You, featuring Toy Piano.
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Billy call you
your gin.
Daring
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you
taking me beyond
Passion
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you
Jemima's baby, throw me
Paper peeling into a man's arms.
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Utility is blood on
Every 28 days, a pain we could share.
Fertility is a voodoo.
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you
Blue, black, hair Roll me in your sheets of plenty Shock me with your razor sharp dew Runthrough me
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Flithering into tune
I didn't realize that you stayed connected to them.
I, I left, I left in 89, right?
I got married to Larry and we moved to Eugene, Oregon.
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And I started teaching at the university and being a psychiatric social worker.
just remember when I met the dragon women and I'm remember trying to remember which one itwas the
might have been Oakleaf.
I'm trying to remember which one, but we were sitting down on the dock at the Women'sFestival and it was just me and her and she asked me, know, sort of what I, what I was
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doing with my life.
And I was telling her about my job that I hated that I wanted so badly to quit.
And she was encouraging me just to quit.
And I was like, well, I can't, have a rent and I have bills and I have all this.
And she's like, just do it.
You can do it.
Your life's not going to fall apart.
You'll figure it out.
And I think
That might have been when I ended up in the basement of Sheila's house.
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I a mat on the floor because I quit my job.
Sheila's like, yeah, you can live here.
There's a little shower down there.
I lived in that apartment for a while.
That was like my Mary Tyler Moore apartment.
mat on the concrete floor.
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first feminist influence.
Like Mary Tyler Moore was like, my God, she's like, I just thought like that's the one.
Yeah, I just remember that woman really, you you think about things that changed your lifeover time, that conversation, just, when I saw what they were doing and how they were
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living and these other women that I met at the women's festival, and I'm like, all thesewomen have these cool jobs.
I mean, some of them are living on the land, some of them have like, what's her name, whohad the theater production company and then the other women who were from, who were doing,
you know, the Kansas City musicians.
And I was like, these women are like, they have cool jobs and they're successful.
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And I can, I can get out of this mindset of I'm stuck in this job because I have rent topay and this is my life to what do I really want to do?
You know?
Here's a song I wrote called Dorothy.
She was walking along a dirt country road.
When a whirlwind blew in her path, she started resisting and found herself lifting.
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She knew she could never look back.
She awoke in a room with all windows shattered just to beam the sun breaking in.
With both feet on the floor, she threw open the door, wondering where to begin.
And there was a path of bricks colored yellow, seeming to say, follow me.
But she started out running and dancing, and for the first time, she felt happy and free.
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Then she came to the, then she heard a noise in the woods and it gave her a start.
Twas a man made of tin, she befriended him, but the poor man, had no heart.
Well, these two walk together when they heard someone sighing off in a field of grain.
Twas a scarecrow forlorn, stuck in a row of corn.
It was obvious he had no brains.
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Well, they came to a forest, dark and foreboding as night began to fall.
And out jumped a lion, roaring and leaping, but he had no courage at all.
Well, these four walk together in search of their needs, all of them lonely and lost.
For some courage, some love, just a reason for living, they were willing to pay any cost.
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The road was a long one, but they struggled on, determined to try to the end, when theycame to a castle sparkling with promise, and she was the first to go in.
Well, as the story goes, they all got what they came for, all but a girl with no home.
A man full of false pride said, honey, I'll take you for a ride in a balloon, but he lefther standing alone.
Then this lady appeared in a dress of white satin said, darn
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dear do as I say click your heels and turn say you want to go home and you'll be back inKansas today." So she started clicking and turning and then her childhood flashed through
her head.
She started screaming, don't wanna go back there, I hate Kansas, I'd rather be dead.
Then all of sudden the castle was shattered by a thunderous, hard -hitting boom.
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Dorothy found herself flying out into the night with a witch on the back of a broom.
And the wicked witch said, Dorothy, Dorothy, Dorothy, why hang around a bunch of guys gotno brains, no courage, no hearts?
I mean, why fly in a balloon when you can do it on a broom?
Now Dorothy's riding high over rainbows of all colors She's never coming back She likes itup there, shooting past the stars She's riding down on green, she's laughing and singing
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She's got no cares, Dorothy's riding high over She's got her own green space, she's nevercoming back
She's finally got control, flying past the sun.
You know she's making her own whirlwinds.
She looks down, she sees it all below.
She sees it all behind, and she says that is never more.
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Take a break, we'll be back.
And there was a super sweet little dyke culture.
mean, Farron, we'd go like all together to see Farron in Kansas City.
And, you know, there was some really nice, I don't know, double when I did my gardeninggig for a while, Tara Lieber, and we would ask the little old ladies who whose roses we
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were gardening, if we could do it without our shirts and if they'd let us know.
We brought Chris Williamson to Columbia.
Right.
Who lives outside of Eugene, Oregon now.
Tretfuer and Chris Williamson.
All that music that I never would have been exposed to if I hadn't had that radio show.
Yeah.
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Beautiful.
Yeah, I I I got turned on to a lot of music from Terry and Pam both and I mean that that'sthe one thing I was kind of remembering is that I I never grew up with the stereo we had
like a home stereo and there was like ten albums down there and it was like, know Queennight at the Opera and Leonard Skinner one more for the road Elton John, know, it's like
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this these are albums paranoid
Ozzy Osbourne.
so my development with that was always like people turning me on to music and I was justlike a sponge to like, read this, look at this, listen to this and just like, you know,
and, and remind, remind me how we ended up going to Arkansas.
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to the women's weekend?
No, when we moved down there.
Austin, you mean?
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I meant Austin.
God.
Well, Ann and Sheila went first, I think.
Well, we, we,
Sheila and I had done a couple different road trips.
Yeah.
Dangerously.
Yes.
Bucky and Bucky.
Bucky died.
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And then there was a second Bucky, which was no license tag, hadn't been registered as aVolvo.
Right.
An old Volvo.
I can't remember.
It was I remember it was brown.
and it was, you know, I don't know where she had gotten it, but Gretchen was supposed tocome Gretchen Phillips of me, Joy and two nice girls.
The Artsluts were hugely influenced by a band from Austin called Meat Joy, fronted byGretchen Phillips.
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You may know her from a later band called Two Nice Girls, who picked up the torch fromArtsluts.
let's listen to a song from Meat Joy called When Love Is Irreverence.
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you
you
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The sides when he looked at me
sick
Look at me
When he looked at me
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We're Just having fun We're only talking, man Just having fun
you
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he started kissing me I got this feeling I got sick When he started caressing me I heard abig cry of agony When he started fucking me I got that pain all over me
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We were only fucking Just having fun It's only fucking Why isn't it fun?
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You didn't ask for it, and neither did I.
Yeah, you're just born with it.
Don't let it rule your life.
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You're only fucking Yeah you didn't ask for it Just having fun And neither did I It's onlyfucking Yeah you're just born with it Don't let it through your life
you
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you
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Right, was supposed to come up and visit me and Sheila and because we had beencorresponding by letter and something came up where she couldn't and then Sheila and I
said, well, do you want to go?
And I said, yeah.
And we got in that car and we broke down at the border of Missouri and or maybe we got toOklahoma and it broke down.
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Sheila was kind of like, you know.
easing into this truck stop, we got into this truck stop and it was like, okay, well,we're going to hitchhike the rest of the way.
I mean, no question, you know?
And so we got in with these truckers and they were just just tweaked out on speed, know,and but I always felt really safe with Sheila.
I felt like, you know, the two of us together, you know, there's nothing bad was going tohappen.
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All right.
Right now, I've got a really special Austin story for you.
When Sheila and I were traveling, one of the super cool things that we did was weinterviewed Daniel Johnston.
This would have been in 1985, and it was in McDonald's in Austin.
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And so if you do not know who Daniel Johnston is, check it out, Google it, see thedocumentary, The Devil and Daniel Johnston.
He was hugely influential in the.
Missouri scene as well as many many many many other places.
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Check it out.
OK, wait Sheila, here's the, these are where the vendors sit.
You can just look.
This is where, there's the masks.
I want to get to her, one of those masks.
This woman makes them.
Nobody's there today.
Usually there's like eight or ten.
them?
Yeah.
Maybe it's Joanne.
Polar bears are Joanne who?
really?
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Maybe.
The clown?
That's what she does here.
That's how she makes a living is makes masks.
Wow.
Wow.
some, some hip cat with a guitar and a bandana.
Yeah, really.
Yeah, this is a familiar spot.
Really?
every two days.
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This guy down here, record exchange, has been so sweet.
David, he's been really neat.
He's a nice guy.
I don't know if, yeah, you might remember him, guy with glasses and just sort of, normallooking guy.
He's real nice.
This is where the street people hang out, usually right on those church steps.
Either there or right around the corner.
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There's like a ledge that sticks out on the store windows.
There's my sister.
I'm Harry McDonald's with Daniel Johnson.
I got that here when I first saw my stone.
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I was just going to buy a new one at Radio Shack so can really start making tapes.
You guys ought to make copies of that tape and put them in the stores.
I'm thinking about it, yeah.
There was a few when I first got into town.
had like five of them and took I think two to Inner Sanctum and two to Record Exchange.
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I heard one playing all the time at the Record
Wow, wow, that's good.
They were playing in there.
Yeah, right.
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Yeah, know, where we're from up in Columbia, Missouri, I sent a tape of Yip Jump toSheila.
She's been playing it around.
Everybody likes it real well.
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You know that?
No, I That's only $2.
We ought to get it.
some confidence with me, I can tell you right now.
Well, yeah.
That's only $2.
Yeah.
Okay?
Yeah.
Hey.
God, I'm glad we caught you.
-huh.
Yeah.
-huh.
looking for people who like my songs and I like your songs too.
I'll send it to David Edelman.
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That'd be really cool.
We tried.
They could play that right on the air.
Yeah, we sent one but I guess it got stuck in a talent office or whatever.
But we're gonna, if you would I would be really happy.
We're gonna have a reunion show down here the first week of November and if you would comeI'd just be so happy.
Yes, I'd be glad to come but I'm not playing out right now.
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I'm taking a vacation.
Come and watch.
yeah, I appreciate it.
You're on the guest list, eh?
Yeah, sure.
Sure.
Yeah, it should be in about three weeks.
great.
I'll see you next time.
Cause we've got one more woman who's in the band who's coming down.
It'll the first time I've played again since February.
February, yeah.
Yeah.
We have this new all -girl group called Chlorine.
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No, haven't.
Really?
really good.
Well, I saw you build with them and that night I was just really, like I came home and Icouldn't leave cause I was just tired and
I and I just couldn't think of going to a show.
But I wanted to go then.
These girls are really good though.
were kind of rock and roll, like Beatles.
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Alright, alright.
Like real simple melodies and stuff?
good, good.
I'm trying to get into some of my songs.
And you're welcome to do any my songs.
I sing them all the time when I'm just bouncing around.
Yeah, you gotta do some of my songs.
I like the way you do them.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, mean, do it your way if you like him.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
I'm always pushing my songs.
No, that's fine.
No, it's like, I don't know.
It's just that songs are being pushed.
It's just a matter of just making it a little purity.
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
They're perfect the way they are.
They're Daniel songs, you know?
Yeah.
Wow.
I think so.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I mean, I can appreciate your music a lot.
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All right.
All right.
appreciate it.
But if you wanted to ever use any, you know, like that mushroom man song, I, like Ithought, wow, I thought that's really weird because there's, you know, like simple
melodies and Chinese guitar.
I really, particularly David Letterman, the singing on that, I mean, it really sounds likeyou really like David Letterman.
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mean, you know what I mean?
I really like that.
And the cool tape.
It's pretty wild.
Yeah, that's true.
That's cool.
that's what, you know, writing songs or whatever.
don't know.
You know what I mean?
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Most people aren't trying to say anything or whatever you got to say, you should say it.
I keep doing this with my hands lately.
I don't know.
I had to get a puppet maybe.
Well, it's better than going.
Yeah.
know, things that Jesse used to don't make any sense.
well, I think that it's like this, you know?
Yeah.
I did this one alone too though.
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Wow.
Hey, listen, we're taking this road trip, we're keeping our eyes open for stuff.
Maybe we can find your puppet, that would be really neat.
That be great.
I mean, yeah, we're talking about...
What do you think?
Well, see, we're talking like quarter stuff, you know, but find a neat one, you know.
okay.
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, I'm so glad Darcy lent me your tape.
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She said, you need to hear this tape.
And I said, okay, I'll listen to it.
And I just went, yeah, yeah, Glass of water.
OK.
Well, I got to You got to work.
Yeah, I'll be back in a minute.
OK, great.
How's it going?
We're such a priceless sister.
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are you?
You poor little thing.
Daniel, love you.
Yes, you're wonderful.
have of them that I have yip -jop.
Which song are you going to do?
I like Speedy Motorcycle, Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Your Grievances.
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You've Got a Sweetheart, Sweetheart.
Sorry, Entertainers.
Sorry, Entertainers song.
Court Organ Blues.
Everything's big in Texas, you know it is.
I think I made a big mistake.
what's the Court Organ Blues?
Court Organ Blues.
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Fun stuff.
It's so rare that there's music around you can sing to these days.
know what mean?
The 80s haven't been a sing -along type music so far.
I'm the new Mitch Miller.
I have a question for you.
Have you ever heard of Jad Fair?
Have heard Japanese?
No.
Really?
I would, if you get a chance at all, I'll give you a chance.
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Jad Fair?
Yeah.
In fact, if they don't have it at record stage, it's on, it's over.
I don't We wrote to him last year and he never did right back.
I don't know why.
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his brother, was Chad and David and it was like, neither of knew how to play theirinstruments so Chad would just play one chord stuff and his brother would play drums and
they these great songs like, shoot, Windows Shopping with Amy didn't like me anymore.
I can't feel love anymore, I can't feel love anymore.
I used to have my head on my sleeve but I don't see it there anymore.
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Windows Shopping with Cindy and the rain's coming down.
That's where we came in.
Say hi.
Yeah, thank you.
I like to be tape recorded.
Great.
Me too.
Wow.
We just, Daniel Johnson, it was incredible.
And it was really incredible.
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I mean, shit, I would say we're definitely arts luts.
we are, know, Daniel Johnson already is a fan club.
Did you know that?
Really?
Yeah.
Wow.
Well, yeah, sure, of course.
Yeah, really.
Why not?
and he's wonderful.
didn't get chance to talk to him last time because I wanted to be cool.
wanted to be like, yeah, Daniel, I really like your music and here's a tape of mine and Ijust thought I'd turn you on to it.
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And walk out like I really didn't want to sit there and give him a big hug.
Daniel!
So.
Well, I wouldn't do any of that shit today, right?
When I look back at them, sometimes we're like, my God, we must have guardian angels,people.
Well, but you know what?
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There's also like, think there's primitive instincts to it.
don't know.
But anyway, go on.
bad things have happened to every woman that I know.
they dropped us off at the side of the highway and we walked to Gretchen's house and justshowed up, hey, we're here.
then, and then, or let's see, okay, now I'm kind of mixing stories.
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But anyway, the first time Sheila and I came through New Orleans, blah, blah, blah, endedup there.
And then we had picked up these two guys.
One was from Germany and one was from like California that Sheila and I were like,
you know, they're just like bed buddies for the night and they were deadheads and theywere like, yeah, we're going to see the dead in Florida.
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And I was like, well, I've never done that.
And so I was like, I want to go.
And the next morning, Sheila's like, well, I'm not going.
And I was like, okay, well, okay.
You know, it was kind of little sad, but then she drove back.
I did that and then I ended up coming back to Missouri.
the first time the Gretchen, sorry, I'm being confusing.
The first time dropping off the side of the road Gretchen,
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I stayed there for a while.
Sheila went back again and we were riding back and forth.
Or was Sheila there too, Pam?
I'm trying to remember.
I just, can't remember if it was all four of us or if it was Terry, did you not come down?
don't think I had a job with the city of Columbia.
just remembered that was just like, we got to move to Austin.
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It's where the art scene is.
got to play music.
The music was happening there.
It really was happening there.
And so I went down with them and then I ended up being in this, guess it might've beenfriends at Gretchen's or something in this little house with these two people that was
right.
lived with Freddie, you lived with an anarchist.
Darcy.
Well, first of all, it was in this small house that was right under the airport and everytime the planes flew over the house would shake and you couldn't even hear yourself talk.
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I had to get out of there because at night.
the flying roaches with land all over me.
The palmetto bugs.
my god.
Now Pam, I remember that when I came to Austin to get you, you were with Freddy Bear, likethe Well, wait a minute, I didn't finish.
So after, I had to move out of that house because I couldn't stand those bugs.
And I moved into this other neighborhood that was right literally on the railroad tracks,the other side of the railroad tracks.
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So we were on the black side of town.
And I lived with these other two people.
I'm not sure they were really thrilled that I was living there, but they gave me thisspace.
But I remember I would walk over to like the Safeway or the grocery store, you know, thatwas there.
And I would be the only white person in the store.
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And I would think to myself, OK, this is this is what it feels like.
Obviously, it doesn't feel the same way because the culture is dominant white.
But yeah.
I was like, and I would always just get really self -conscious and think that everybodywas staring at me.
Nobody was looking at me, but that's how I felt, you know.
And and I remember at the time I was a runner, like I like to run.
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And so we'd go out in the evening and run.
And and, you know, I would run through all these.
It was all all black, you know, people in the neighborhoods, you know, out on theirporches.
It was summer and out barbecuing and everything.
And people would be friendly and wave.
But my two
Housemates were very upset.
They told me I couldn't, shouldn't run.
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I shouldn't be out there.
I was going to get in trouble.
I was going to get hurt.
You know, I never had that experience, but I think that's maybe Terry where I was when youcame to get me.
Yeah, because I think you were living with the collage artist, Freddie Bear, that used todo the collages for Anarchy newspaper.
OK, two people that were associated with the Third Avenue Collective.
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And I remember coming.
I got dropped off, right?
I was going out with this guy, Don Adams, and his brother was getting married.
And so I bartered, calligraphy, his proposal to his girlfriend for the ride.
And it was near that.
Okay.
So you were, you were visiting someone who's getting married in Austin?
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No, I was coming to rescue you.
You were like, I'm depressed.
I can't get out of here.
And I'm like, I'm going to go get Pam.
I quit my fucking job, my secure job with the city on the landscaping.
crew.
Everybody's like, don't quit.
You'll never get that job back.
It's a really good job.
Right.
And I quit and I got dropped off there.
And then you had a little white truck.
Okay.
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We either did acid or mushrooms.
think that I think I was I was borrowing that truck.
Right.
Okay.
I don't remember.
we did.
Was it a blue truck?
A blue Toyota truck?
don't remember.
It might have been.
Would it belong to somebody?
Well, the first vehicle I ever owned was was I got an Austin.
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And it was there was so so here's another feminist chronology.
The band that the band that was before me joy was called Girls in the Nails.
that was that was Gretchen was in that and there was evidently some feminist in Austin.
And so one of the women, she had a K.
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It was K.
Webber.
She's like really famous, actually, feminist.
Let's listen to another song by me joy.
called another pair.
you
you
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on the other side of town.
You know I love you baby when you're around, but there's another pair of breasts on theother side of town.
bigger than yours, so I gotta fool around.
yeah, yeah.
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There's another guy that I see on the side He's really nice and he understands my problemsHe likes my breasts, yes he thinks they're fine That's where I go when you start to whine
There's another pair of breasts on the other side of town You know I love you baby whenyou're around But there's another pair of breasts on the other side of town They're bigger
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than yours so I gotta fool around yeah, yeah,
Yeah!
You have such a great brain.
memory I have these books, I have Lady Unique, Inclination of the Night.
I have these little feminist zines that she did.
was brilliant goddess mythology stuff.
She sold me her truck for, I think, $200.
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But I had to get approved, basically, because it had just bumper stickers like everyfeminist, every like, Rikki and blah, blah.
And she had to meet me and like, OK, I'll sell the truck to you.
I think.
that we got the truck and brought it you.
That the truck ended up with you.
That I ended up leaving it in Austin.
think that might have been because I was because I did have a job.
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I was working at this restaurant.
It had no brakes.
I do.
It had no brakes.
I think I do remember somebody had loaned me a truck because I was getting back and forthto my restaurant job.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we Pam, we did some kind of psychedelic.
We either did acid or we did mushrooms because I remember those fucking flying palmettobugs.
freaking me out.
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was like, my god, flagrass.
And I also saw this huge diva being jump out of a six foot aloe vera plant and I paintedit.
And I still have that painting of this amazing being coming out of the plant.
that powerful people song I wrote from a dream I had in Austin when I was feeling verydepressed.
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then I
had that dream about looking up at the stars and they just all turned into butterflies.
And I thought, okay, this is telling me something, you know, you don't realize when you'reso young in your twenties, you know, in your late twenties and you feel old, you know, for
some reason, it's that weird thing.
And you don't realize how young you are and that you're just still forming your identity,you know, and I just felt so stuck.
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We slept in the back of that.
We slept to the back of that truck and almost froze.
One more truck story.
One more truck story.
OK, so I ended up another road trip where I ended up hitchhiking back to Columbia.
So that.
I had my stuff was still in Austin, okay?
And I decided I was going to move back to Columbia.
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And so we took the truck, me and Lingo took the truck, had no breaks and we drove fromColumbia to Austin.
And so I would just downshift whenever we came up to a traffic light.
Is that insane?
that sound of metal on metal, sparks flying.
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my God.
Crazy.
messed up.
Yeah, and then I saved Pam and we went back to Columbia.
Thank you, Terry.
Yeah, I thought going to Austin was going to like change my life.
And so one of the first things I did, I can't remember why I got separated from you andSheila, but I went to the place where you could just throw out your guitar and put out a
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hat, you know.
And so I got out in front of the restaurant and I put out my hat and I got my guitar and Istart singing.
and they call the cops so the cops come.
no!
No busking?
he starts telling me, ma 'am you can't play here.
So I just kept singing directly to him.
Like I didn't stop, I was just like, and then I started making up a little song aboutplaying on the streets of Austin and the cops coming to get me, but I'm just a folk
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musician.
And he was just kind of.
He was just kind of smiling and he's like, yeah, ma 'am, I know, but really you can't dothis here.
I'm like, I thought this was Austin.
thought this is like what musicians do here.
He's like, sorry, ma 'am.
And I'm like, this experience did not turn out the way that I thought it would.
And I ended up just working, you know, I'm working and then I'm living in this house andI'm thinking, and I didn't have friends.
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I mean, I didn't have.
A lot of friends and I can't remember spending that much time with you and and Sheila so Ican't remember how I got separated.
I think Sheila abandoned us is what happened.
But okay so I have a busking story too which is hilarious.
Sheila and I were on one of our road trips we ended up in New Orleans via I can't rememberhow we got there but we were in New Orleans and we were like we have we played on the
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street every place we went so we so we went down to the French Quarter
And Sheila and I are like out there playing our artslet songs and all of a sudden there'sthis angry mime standing next to us.
And he started speaking and he said, you can't play here.
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This is my corner.
my God.
Until next time.
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We're Artsluts.
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I hate to leave you
It's just my music
So
So we fucked it.
What were you saying, Terri?
I'm just thinking about all kinds of stuff.
You know, I spent most of the two years of my graduate school experience inhabiting ashanty town on the administrative lawn.
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And I honestly, the most one of the proudest things in my life was when we won and got theuniversity to divest from the gold in South Africa.
And I used to
play that song.
I used to play the Castle brain to pray song with Toshi Reagan.
What are we doing in South Africa?
Every, every time I did my show on KOPN until it changed.
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That's great.
And then we were living outside in fucking shanties.
Right?
Yeah.
It was crazy.
And then you mentioned earlier the Midwest Women's Festival.
that was awesome.
And and did you also go to that?
I went one time I.
I remember it was Rosalia.
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Yes, Rosalia.
Larry was in love with Rosalia.
my God.
Yeah, she was a great guitar player.
Yeah.
And I remember we were driving down.
I try remember who else was in the car.
Maybe it was Debo, Rosalia.
Yeah, was really...
Sheila's probably.
But yeah, we were driving topless to the women's...
And I had...
That's the one and only one.
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I know, Terry, you were Yeah, yeah, And there was a...
kind of famous author was there.
Kind of now I'm drawing a blank.
Science fiction, feminist science fiction author.
Wait, Is this the one down at the Ozarks that we're talking about?
Yeah, totally.
And then Terry was hanging out in the, I forget what you guys called it, but it was likefeminist empowered, like bondage.
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Yeah, the sexual freedom.
This is when we met Phoenix and Jessie Deer Woman and Oakleaf.
Oakleaf used to be a nun.
were the dragon women's collective.
That's right.
No, were dragon women.
Four women lived on dragon land that was adjacent to the site where the Midwest Women'sFestival was.
And then there were these two women, Jessie Deer Woman.
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first it was Oakleaf and then later it was Dragon Phoenix.
And we moved them from Hot Springs, Arkansas because their house got burned down becausethey were accused of being witches.
And so they had to move up to and then they lived outside in the country.
And then this is really where my whole trip that I'm doing now with Aphrodite Templestarted.
Those women who are in their 40s convinced the the past of 20 year olds that the historyof women and witchcraft was women getting together and having sex, that there never had
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been a devil, that that was just made up, but that what we should do is tell each otherour sexual fantasies and then enact them.
and take turns doing that.
And we did that for a good two years, every full moon out in the country.
And here's a song I wrote called Umbilical You, featuring Toy Piano.
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Billy call you
your gin.
Daring
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you
taking me beyond
Passion
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you
Jemima's baby, throw me
Paper peeling into a man's arms.
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Utility is blood on
Every 28 days, a pain we could share.
Fertility is a voodoo.
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you
Blue, black, hair Roll me in your sheets of plenty Shock me with your razor sharp dew Runthrough me
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Flithering into tune
I didn't realize that you stayed connected to them.
I, I left, I left in 89, right?
I got married to Larry and we moved to Eugene, Oregon.
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And I started teaching at the university and being a psychiatric social worker.
just remember when I met the dragon women and I'm remember trying to remember which one itwas the
might have been Oakleaf.
I'm trying to remember which one, but we were sitting down on the dock at the Women'sFestival and it was just me and her and she asked me, know, sort of what I, what I was
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doing with my life.
And I was telling her about my job that I hated that I wanted so badly to quit.
And she was encouraging me just to quit.
And I was like, well, I can't, have a rent and I have bills and I have all this.
And she's like, just do it.
You can do it.
Your life's not going to fall apart.
You'll figure it out.
And I think
That might have been when I ended up in the basement of Sheila's house.
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I a mat on the floor because I quit my job.
Sheila's like, yeah, you can live here.
There's a little shower down there.
I lived in that apartment for a while.
That was like my Mary Tyler Moore apartment.
mat on the concrete floor.
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first feminist influence.
Like Mary Tyler Moore was like, my God, she's like, I just thought like that's the one.
Yeah, I just remember that woman really, you you think about things that changed your lifeover time, that conversation, just, when I saw what they were doing and how they were
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living and these other women that I met at the women's festival, and I'm like, all thesewomen have these cool jobs.
I mean, some of them are living on the land, some of them have like, what's her name, whohad the theater production company and then the other women who were from, who were doing,
you know, the Kansas City musicians.
And I was like, these women are like, they have cool jobs and they're successful.
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And I can, I can get out of this mindset of I'm stuck in this job because I have rent topay and this is my life to what do I really want to do?
You know?
Here's a song I wrote called Dorothy.
She was walking along a dirt country road.
When a whirlwind blew in her path, she started resisting and found herself lifting.
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She knew she could never look back.
She awoke in a room with all windows shattered just to beam the sun breaking in.
With both feet on the floor, she threw open the door, wondering where to begin.
And there was a path of bricks colored yellow, seeming to say, follow me.
But she started out running and dancing, and for the first time, she felt happy and free.
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Then she came to the, then she heard a noise in the woods and it gave her a start.
Twas a man made of tin, she befriended him, but the poor man, had no heart.
Well, these two walk together when they heard someone sighing off in a field of grain.
Twas a scarecrow forlorn, stuck in a row of corn.
It was obvious he had no brains.
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Well, they came to a forest, dark and foreboding as night began to fall.
And out jumped a lion, roaring and leaping, but he had no courage at all.
Well, these four walk together in search of their needs, all of them lonely and lost.
For some courage, some love, just a reason for living, they were willing to pay any cost.
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The road was a long one, but they struggled on, determined to try to the end, when theycame to a castle sparkling with promise, and she was the first to go in.
Well, as the story goes, they all got what they came for, all but a girl with no home.
A man full of false pride said, honey, I'll take you for a ride in a balloon, but he lefther standing alone.
Then this lady appeared in a dress of white satin said, darn
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dear do as I say click your heels and turn say you want to go home and you'll be back inKansas today." So she started clicking and turning and then her childhood flashed through
her head.
She started screaming, don't wanna go back there, I hate Kansas, I'd rather be dead.
Then all of sudden the castle was shattered by a thunderous, hard -hitting boom.
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Dorothy found herself flying out into the night with a witch on the back of a broom.
And the wicked witch said, Dorothy, Dorothy, Dorothy, why hang around a bunch of guys gotno brains, no courage, no hearts?
I mean, why fly in a balloon when you can do it on a broom?
Now Dorothy's riding high over rainbows of all colors She's never coming back She likes itup there, shooting past the stars She's riding down on green, she's laughing and singing
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She's got no cares, Dorothy's riding high over She's got her own green space, she's nevercoming back
She's finally got control, flying past the sun.
You know she's making her own whirlwinds.
She looks down, she sees it all below.
She sees it all behind, and she says that is never more.
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Take a break, we'll be back.
And there was a super sweet little dyke culture.
mean, Farron, we'd go like all together to see Farron in Kansas City.
And, you know, there was some really nice, I don't know, double when I did my gardeninggig for a while, Tara Lieber, and we would ask the little old ladies who whose roses we
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were gardening, if we could do it without our shirts and if they'd let us know.
We brought Chris Williamson to Columbia.
Right.
Who lives outside of Eugene, Oregon now.
Tretfuer and Chris Williamson.
All that music that I never would have been exposed to if I hadn't had that radio show.
Yeah.
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Beautiful.
Yeah, I I I got turned on to a lot of music from Terry and Pam both and I mean that that'sthe one thing I was kind of remembering is that I I never grew up with the stereo we had
like a home stereo and there was like ten albums down there and it was like, know Queennight at the Opera and Leonard Skinner one more for the road Elton John, know, it's like
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this these are albums paranoid
Ozzy Osbourne.
so my development with that was always like people turning me on to music and I was justlike a sponge to like, read this, look at this, listen to this and just like, you know,
and, and remind, remind me how we ended up going to Arkansas.
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to the women's weekend?
No, when we moved down there.
Austin, you mean?
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I meant Austin.
God.
Well, Ann and Sheila went first, I think.
Well, we, we,
Sheila and I had done a couple different road trips.
Yeah.
Dangerously.
Yes.
Bucky and Bucky.
Bucky died.
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And then there was a second Bucky, which was no license tag, hadn't been registered as aVolvo.
Right.
An old Volvo.
I can't remember.
It was I remember it was brown.
and it was, you know, I don't know where she had gotten it, but Gretchen was supposed tocome Gretchen Phillips of me, Joy and two nice girls.
The Artsluts were hugely influenced by a band from Austin called Meat Joy, fronted byGretchen Phillips.
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You may know her from a later band called Two Nice Girls, who picked up the torch fromArtsluts.
let's listen to a song from Meat Joy called When Love Is Irreverence.
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you
you
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The sides when he looked at me
sick
Look at me
When he looked at me
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We're Just having fun We're only talking, man Just having fun
you
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he started kissing me I got this feeling I got sick When he started caressing me I heard abig cry of agony When he started fucking me I got that pain all over me
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We were only fucking Just having fun It's only fucking Why isn't it fun?
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You didn't ask for it, and neither did I.
Yeah, you're just born with it.
Don't let it rule your life.
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You're only fucking Yeah you didn't ask for it Just having fun And neither did I It's onlyfucking Yeah you're just born with it Don't let it through your life
you
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you
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Right, was supposed to come up and visit me and Sheila and because we had beencorresponding by letter and something came up where she couldn't and then Sheila and I
said, well, do you want to go?
And I said, yeah.
And we got in that car and we broke down at the border of Missouri and or maybe we got toOklahoma and it broke down.
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Sheila was kind of like, you know.
easing into this truck stop, we got into this truck stop and it was like, okay, well,we're going to hitchhike the rest of the way.
I mean, no question, you know?
And so we got in with these truckers and they were just just tweaked out on speed, know,and but I always felt really safe with Sheila.
I felt like, you know, the two of us together, you know, there's nothing bad was going tohappen.
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All right.
Right now, I've got a really special Austin story for you.
When Sheila and I were traveling, one of the super cool things that we did was weinterviewed Daniel Johnston.
This would have been in 1985, and it was in McDonald's in Austin.
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And so if you do not know who Daniel Johnston is, check it out, Google it, see thedocumentary, The Devil and Daniel Johnston.
He was hugely influential in the.
Missouri scene as well as many many many many other places.
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Check it out.
OK, wait Sheila, here's the, these are where the vendors sit.
You can just look.
This is where, there's the masks.
I want to get to her, one of those masks.
This woman makes them.
Nobody's there today.
Usually there's like eight or ten.
them?
Yeah.
Maybe it's Joanne.
Polar bears are Joanne who?
really?
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Maybe.
The clown?
That's what she does here.
That's how she makes a living is makes masks.
Wow.
Wow.
some, some hip cat with a guitar and a bandana.
Yeah, really.
Yeah, this is a familiar spot.
Really?
every two days.
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This guy down here, record exchange, has been so sweet.
David, he's been really neat.
He's a nice guy.
I don't know if, yeah, you might remember him, guy with glasses and just sort of, normallooking guy.
He's real nice.
This is where the street people hang out, usually right on those church steps.
Either there or right around the corner.
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There's like a ledge that sticks out on the store windows.
There's my sister.
I'm Harry McDonald's with Daniel Johnson.
I got that here when I first saw my stone.
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I was just going to buy a new one at Radio Shack so can really start making tapes.
You guys ought to make copies of that tape and put them in the stores.
I'm thinking about it, yeah.
There was a few when I first got into town.
had like five of them and took I think two to Inner Sanctum and two to Record Exchange.
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I heard one playing all the time at the Record
Wow, wow, that's good.
They were playing in there.
Yeah, right.
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Yeah, know, where we're from up in Columbia, Missouri, I sent a tape of Yip Jump toSheila.
She's been playing it around.
Everybody likes it real well.
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You know that?
No, I That's only $2.
We ought to get it.
some confidence with me, I can tell you right now.
Well, yeah.
That's only $2.
Yeah.
Okay?
Yeah.
Hey.
God, I'm glad we caught you.
-huh.
Yeah.
-huh.
looking for people who like my songs and I like your songs too.
I'll send it to David Edelman.
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That'd be really cool.
We tried.
They could play that right on the air.
Yeah, we sent one but I guess it got stuck in a talent office or whatever.
But we're gonna, if you would I would be really happy.
We're gonna have a reunion show down here the first week of November and if you would comeI'd just be so happy.
Yes, I'd be glad to come but I'm not playing out right now.
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I'm taking a vacation.
Come and watch.
yeah, I appreciate it.
You're on the guest list, eh?
Yeah, sure.
Sure.
Yeah, it should be in about three weeks.
great.
I'll see you next time.
Cause we've got one more woman who's in the band who's coming down.
It'll the first time I've played again since February.
February, yeah.
Yeah.
We have this new all -girl group called Chlorine.
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No, haven't.
Really?
really good.
Well, I saw you build with them and that night I was just really, like I came home and Icouldn't leave cause I was just tired and
I and I just couldn't think of going to a show.
But I wanted to go then.
These girls are really good though.
were kind of rock and roll, like Beatles.
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Alright, alright.
Like real simple melodies and stuff?
good, good.
I'm trying to get into some of my songs.
And you're welcome to do any my songs.
I sing them all the time when I'm just bouncing around.
Yeah, you gotta do some of my songs.
I like the way you do them.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, mean, do it your way if you like him.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm sorry.
I'm always pushing my songs.
No, that's fine.
No, it's like, I don't know.
It's just that songs are being pushed.
It's just a matter of just making it a little purity.
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
They're perfect the way they are.
They're Daniel songs, you know?
Yeah.
Wow.
I think so.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I mean, I can appreciate your music a lot.
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All right.
All right.
appreciate it.
But if you wanted to ever use any, you know, like that mushroom man song, I, like Ithought, wow, I thought that's really weird because there's, you know, like simple
melodies and Chinese guitar.
I really, particularly David Letterman, the singing on that, I mean, it really sounds likeyou really like David Letterman.
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mean, you know what I mean?
I really like that.
And the cool tape.
It's pretty wild.
Yeah, that's true.
That's cool.
that's what, you know, writing songs or whatever.
don't know.
You know what I mean?
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Most people aren't trying to say anything or whatever you got to say, you should say it.
I keep doing this with my hands lately.
I don't know.
I had to get a puppet maybe.
Well, it's better than going.
Yeah.
know, things that Jesse used to don't make any sense.
well, I think that it's like this, you know?
Yeah.
I did this one alone too though.
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Wow.
Hey, listen, we're taking this road trip, we're keeping our eyes open for stuff.
Maybe we can find your puppet, that would be really neat.
That be great.
I mean, yeah, we're talking about...
What do you think?
Well, see, we're talking like quarter stuff, you know, but find a neat one, you know.
okay.
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, I'm so glad Darcy lent me your tape.
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She said, you need to hear this tape.
And I said, okay, I'll listen to it.
And I just went, yeah, yeah, Glass of water.
OK.
Well, I got to You got to work.
Yeah, I'll be back in a minute.
OK, great.
How's it going?
We're such a priceless sister.
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are you?
You poor little thing.
Daniel, love you.
Yes, you're wonderful.
have of them that I have yip -jop.
Which song are you going to do?
I like Speedy Motorcycle, Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Your Grievances.
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You've Got a Sweetheart, Sweetheart.
Sorry, Entertainers.
Sorry, Entertainers song.
Court Organ Blues.
Everything's big in Texas, you know it is.
I think I made a big mistake.
what's the Court Organ Blues?
Court Organ Blues.
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Fun stuff.
It's so rare that there's music around you can sing to these days.
know what mean?
The 80s haven't been a sing -along type music so far.
I'm the new Mitch Miller.
I have a question for you.
Have you ever heard of Jad Fair?
Have heard Japanese?
No.
Really?
I would, if you get a chance at all, I'll give you a chance.
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Jad Fair?
Yeah.
In fact, if they don't have it at record stage, it's on, it's over.
I don't We wrote to him last year and he never did right back.
I don't know why.
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his brother, was Chad and David and it was like, neither of knew how to play theirinstruments so Chad would just play one chord stuff and his brother would play drums and
they these great songs like, shoot, Windows Shopping with Amy didn't like me anymore.
I can't feel love anymore, I can't feel love anymore.
I used to have my head on my sleeve but I don't see it there anymore.
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Windows Shopping with Cindy and the rain's coming down.
That's where we came in.
Say hi.
Yeah, thank you.
I like to be tape recorded.
Great.
Me too.
Wow.
We just, Daniel Johnson, it was incredible.
And it was really incredible.
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I mean, shit, I would say we're definitely arts luts.
we are, know, Daniel Johnson already is a fan club.
Did you know that?
Really?
Yeah.
Wow.
Well, yeah, sure, of course.
Yeah, really.
Why not?
and he's wonderful.
didn't get chance to talk to him last time because I wanted to be cool.
wanted to be like, yeah, Daniel, I really like your music and here's a tape of mine and Ijust thought I'd turn you on to it.
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And walk out like I really didn't want to sit there and give him a big hug.
Daniel!
So.
Well, I wouldn't do any of that shit today, right?
When I look back at them, sometimes we're like, my God, we must have guardian angels,people.
Well, but you know what?
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There's also like, think there's primitive instincts to it.
don't know.
But anyway, go on.
bad things have happened to every woman that I know.
they dropped us off at the side of the highway and we walked to Gretchen's house and justshowed up, hey, we're here.
then, and then, or let's see, okay, now I'm kind of mixing stories.
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But anyway, the first time Sheila and I came through New Orleans, blah, blah, blah, endedup there.
And then we had picked up these two guys.
One was from Germany and one was from like California that Sheila and I were like,
you know, they're just like bed buddies for the night and they were deadheads and theywere like, yeah, we're going to see the dead in Florida.
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And I was like, well, I've never done that.
And so I was like, I want to go.
And the next morning, Sheila's like, well, I'm not going.
And I was like, okay, well, okay.
You know, it was kind of little sad, but then she drove back.
I did that and then I ended up coming back to Missouri.
the first time the Gretchen, sorry, I'm being confusing.
The first time dropping off the side of the road Gretchen,
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I stayed there for a while.
Sheila went back again and we were riding back and forth.
Or was Sheila there too, Pam?
I'm trying to remember.
I just, can't remember if it was all four of us or if it was Terry, did you not come down?
don't think I had a job with the city of Columbia.
just remembered that was just like, we got to move to Austin.
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It's where the art scene is.
got to play music.
The music was happening there.
It really was happening there.
And so I went down with them and then I ended up being in this, guess it might've beenfriends at Gretchen's or something in this little house with these two people that was
right.
lived with Freddie, you lived with an anarchist.
Darcy.
Well, first of all, it was in this small house that was right under the airport and everytime the planes flew over the house would shake and you couldn't even hear yourself talk.
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I had to get out of there because at night.
the flying roaches with land all over me.
The palmetto bugs.
my god.
Now Pam, I remember that when I came to Austin to get you, you were with Freddy Bear, likethe Well, wait a minute, I didn't finish.
So after, I had to move out of that house because I couldn't stand those bugs.
And I moved into this other neighborhood that was right literally on the railroad tracks,the other side of the railroad tracks.
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So we were on the black side of town.
And I lived with these other two people.
I'm not sure they were really thrilled that I was living there, but they gave me thisspace.
But I remember I would walk over to like the Safeway or the grocery store, you know, thatwas there.
And I would be the only white person in the store.
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And I would think to myself, OK, this is this is what it feels like.
Obviously, it doesn't feel the same way because the culture is dominant white.
But yeah.
I was like, and I would always just get really self -conscious and think that everybodywas staring at me.
Nobody was looking at me, but that's how I felt, you know.
And and I remember at the time I was a runner, like I like to run.
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And so we'd go out in the evening and run.
And and, you know, I would run through all these.
It was all all black, you know, people in the neighborhoods, you know, out on theirporches.
It was summer and out barbecuing and everything.
And people would be friendly and wave.
But my two
Housemates were very upset.
They told me I couldn't, shouldn't run.
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I shouldn't be out there.
I was going to get in trouble.
I was going to get hurt.
You know, I never had that experience, but I think that's maybe Terry where I was when youcame to get me.
Yeah, because I think you were living with the collage artist, Freddie Bear, that used todo the collages for Anarchy newspaper.
OK, two people that were associated with the Third Avenue Collective.
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And I remember coming.
I got dropped off, right?
I was going out with this guy, Don Adams, and his brother was getting married.
And so I bartered, calligraphy, his proposal to his girlfriend for the ride.
And it was near that.
Okay.
So you were, you were visiting someone who's getting married in Austin?
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No, I was coming to rescue you.
You were like, I'm depressed.
I can't get out of here.
And I'm like, I'm going to go get Pam.
I quit my fucking job, my secure job with the city on the landscaping.
crew.
Everybody's like, don't quit.
You'll never get that job back.
It's a really good job.
Right.
And I quit and I got dropped off there.
And then you had a little white truck.
Okay.
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We either did acid or mushrooms.
think that I think I was I was borrowing that truck.
Right.
Okay.
I don't remember.
we did.
Was it a blue truck?
A blue Toyota truck?
don't remember.
It might have been.
Would it belong to somebody?
Well, the first vehicle I ever owned was was I got an Austin.
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And it was there was so so here's another feminist chronology.
The band that the band that was before me joy was called Girls in the Nails.
that was that was Gretchen was in that and there was evidently some feminist in Austin.
And so one of the women, she had a K.
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It was K.
Webber.
She's like really famous, actually, feminist.
Let's listen to another song by me joy.
called another pair.
you
you
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on the other side of town.
You know I love you baby when you're around, but there's another pair of breasts on theother side of town.
bigger than yours, so I gotta fool around.
yeah, yeah.
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There's another guy that I see on the side He's really nice and he understands my problemsHe likes my breasts, yes he thinks they're fine That's where I go when you start to whine
There's another pair of breasts on the other side of town You know I love you baby whenyou're around But there's another pair of breasts on the other side of town They're bigger
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than yours so I gotta fool around yeah, yeah,
Yeah!
You have such a great brain.
memory I have these books, I have Lady Unique, Inclination of the Night.
I have these little feminist zines that she did.
was brilliant goddess mythology stuff.
She sold me her truck for, I think, $200.
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But I had to get approved, basically, because it had just bumper stickers like everyfeminist, every like, Rikki and blah, blah.
And she had to meet me and like, OK, I'll sell the truck to you.
I think.
that we got the truck and brought it you.
That the truck ended up with you.
That I ended up leaving it in Austin.
think that might have been because I was because I did have a job.
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I was working at this restaurant.
It had no brakes.
I do.
It had no brakes.
I think I do remember somebody had loaned me a truck because I was getting back and forthto my restaurant job.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And we Pam, we did some kind of psychedelic.
We either did acid or we did mushrooms because I remember those fucking flying palmettobugs.
freaking me out.
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was like, my god, flagrass.
And I also saw this huge diva being jump out of a six foot aloe vera plant and I paintedit.
And I still have that painting of this amazing being coming out of the plant.
that powerful people song I wrote from a dream I had in Austin when I was feeling verydepressed.
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then I
had that dream about looking up at the stars and they just all turned into butterflies.
And I thought, okay, this is telling me something, you know, you don't realize when you'reso young in your twenties, you know, in your late twenties and you feel old, you know, for
some reason, it's that weird thing.
And you don't realize how young you are and that you're just still forming your identity,you know, and I just felt so stuck.
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We slept in the back of that.
We slept to the back of that truck and almost froze.
One more truck story.
One more truck story.
OK, so I ended up another road trip where I ended up hitchhiking back to Columbia.
So that.
I had my stuff was still in Austin, okay?
And I decided I was going to move back to Columbia.
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And so we took the truck, me and Lingo took the truck, had no breaks and we drove fromColumbia to Austin.
And so I would just downshift whenever we came up to a traffic light.
Is that insane?
that sound of metal on metal, sparks flying.
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my God.
Crazy.
messed up.
Yeah, and then I saved Pam and we went back to Columbia.
Thank you, Terry.
Yeah, I thought going to Austin was going to like change my life.
And so one of the first things I did, I can't remember why I got separated from you andSheila, but I went to the place where you could just throw out your guitar and put out a
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hat, you know.
And so I got out in front of the restaurant and I put out my hat and I got my guitar and Istart singing.
and they call the cops so the cops come.
no!
No busking?
he starts telling me, ma 'am you can't play here.
So I just kept singing directly to him.
Like I didn't stop, I was just like, and then I started making up a little song aboutplaying on the streets of Austin and the cops coming to get me, but I'm just a folk
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musician.
And he was just kind of.
He was just kind of smiling and he's like, yeah, ma 'am, I know, but really you can't dothis here.
I'm like, I thought this was Austin.
thought this is like what musicians do here.
He's like, sorry, ma 'am.
And I'm like, this experience did not turn out the way that I thought it would.
And I ended up just working, you know, I'm working and then I'm living in this house andI'm thinking, and I didn't have friends.
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I mean, I didn't have.
A lot of friends and I can't remember spending that much time with you and and Sheila so Ican't remember how I got separated.
I think Sheila abandoned us is what happened.
But okay so I have a busking story too which is hilarious.
Sheila and I were on one of our road trips we ended up in New Orleans via I can't rememberhow we got there but we were in New Orleans and we were like we have we played on the
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street every place we went so we so we went down to the French Quarter
And Sheila and I are like out there playing our artslet songs and all of a sudden there'sthis angry mime standing next to us.
And he started speaking and he said, you can't play here.
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This is my corner.
my God.
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