November 9, 2024 • 34 mins
Join Pam, Teri and Ann as they delve into the topic of why they decided not to release certain songs. And you get to hear the "banned" songs: Monobrow, Narcolepsy, Lockjaw, Chinese Guitar, Rasta Song. All proceeds go to support Planned Parenthood.
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So we fucked it.
Because it was there, we're art's blood
And why is transness and non-binary people with those identities so difficult?
(00:22):
Because we don't know how to value them.
And so we want them to be in a caste system where people with indeterminate gender,meaning a weenie white boy can't fucking tell who they are and if they want to fuck them
or not, right?
That's really what's going on.
Then you get the lowest value.
And we're going to try to annihilate you because somehow your existence
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And or if you're black, if you're black, especially if you're a black man, I mean, we canwatch murder after murder after murder of black men by police on video captured.
And it's still like in the minds of so many white people, questionable whether that's OK,because they are devalued.
(01:04):
Yeah.
The big the big when you start thinking about the big issues like this is just.
I think we would write different songs today.
Here, this is what I Yes, absolutely.
We do this until we're free.
It's about abolitionism.
Organizing and what real transformative justice is and what it would mean to live withoutprison, without prison or police.
(01:32):
Yes.
I was just going to say that I think that when you're looking at big societal problems,
The solutions a lot of times are super obvious, but it's the will of the majority of thepeople in order to make it happen.
For instance, I think that with African-American community, black community, it's likereparations just have to happen.
(01:58):
And if that happened, think it's like it would just transform our, exactly, our ability tobe the, you know,
the Rainbow Coalition that I love and that Jesse Jackson, you know, started, you know,it's like, but you can't deny somebody's their story.
(02:18):
No, yeah, yeah.
And I mean, it's it's built into so many things like systemically, like you were both ofyou were talking about.
There's a new book out, Poverty by America.
What's his name?
Matthew.
Forget his last name.
But but just the systems that we have set up
are set up to keep poor and black people at the bottom and to elevate wealthy people.
(02:44):
And it's so systemic that it's not even just the will of the people.
It's our politicians.
It's the believing in the pull yourself out by your own bootstraps.
That never applies to oligarchs.
Right.
mean, like a lot of our budgetary problems in America could be solved by the more than atrillion dollars that wealthy people are
(03:06):
refusing to pay and using lawyers to get around.
Yes.
Right.
Or homelessness, you know, during COVID, everybody found a solution to get the homelessoff the street very quickly.
It's like, okay, empty hotel rooms, there they go.
And then all of a sudden COVID's gone and it's like, they're back on the street.
And you have all these young black kids in jail, like you were talking about, Terri, whilethe Sattler family just got off on not having to pay anything.
(03:32):
For killing people.
For killing people.
profit, yeah.
And we could write a lot of good songs, but back to the, you know, we like Mia Culpa,right?
Like we realized that some of our things were misuse of our privilege, right?
And the, some of it's still funny.
(03:53):
And how do we do that?
So we didn't feel like we could actually put things back out without having a podcast thatwas explaining.
are thinking about it and are being real and that this is something that we would, in theeighties, nobody did that, right?
You didn't have to like explain the cultural context of your music.
(04:13):
And in fact, I would say there's lots of people right now that are just putting thingsback out without any sensitivity to how the cultural context has changed, but we wanted
to.
Yes, I agree.
Do you want to talk about some of the other songs that we cut?
So this is Anne, full disclosure.
You know, we did not release some of the material and I have very conflicting feelingsabout this.
(04:42):
in this episode, we talk about the songs that we took out.
So I think it makes sense for you to hear the songs and judge for yourself.
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I got eyebrows, pushy and wide like a a fucking Neanderthal.
Be
What's up?
Mahalo!
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was born, you know, that didn't say, hey, that's a cute little baby.
It's just her model bra.
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his friend wants, he's dead now.
But I didn't mean to do it.
It's just that he said, hey man, look at that, that furry headband you got on.
And I had to, cause I'm just sensitive about my monobrow.
It's not unibrow.
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It's a monobrow.
It's a.
Thank
That has deep inner meanings.
Let's see, we cut.
I think I have the list here.
it the reggae That was really rude of us.
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Chinese.
Well, the one thing I want to say since Sheila can't speak for herself is that Sheila in alot of ways identified as a person of color.
Absolutely.
She was half Persian, half Swedish.
And she
(07:11):
embrace the black community and the reggae community in such a way.
Like I learned so much about the history.
I didn't know about Marcus Garvey except for Sheila teaching us about all that.
was very potent and useful to learn that from her.
Exactly.
So her, the humor of that song was that I didn't know about reggae.
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So, and she knew about it.
And, and I was like just kind of mimicking
you know, Yaman, you know, all this kind of stuff, like just not understanding the historyof it.
So I think if she was here, she would not necessarily, I think she would be in agreementto take it off.
But I think that she would explain that.
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And I'm sorry to speak for her, I think that's what she would say.
We did a bit called the reggae song.
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Remember that word butt catcher.
Rastaman vibrations, ayy, playing in the sun, running naked underneath the trees, smokyflea
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We wait, wait for the
Down with the profession, they cut off my dress.
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Who is Markis Kavi?
Markis Kavi easy.
(10:05):
For
Cut off my dreads, Rastaman.
Hey, man, how does this song end, man?
Does this song end, man?
Rastaman, when does this song end, man?
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Rastaman, everybody dance to the vibrations.
Rastaman, the vibrations.
Rastaman, Rastaman, sleep Babylon.
Leaving in the sun.
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Win this song and monkey.
Last song.
Now vibration.
We wish we had her voice here.
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We do.
We sure do.
We sure do.
And so for people that don't know, like Sheila died in 2005, correct?
Yes, 2005 from lung cancer.
cancer.
Lung cancer and then it went into the brain.
Yeah.
actually, when I see you all soon, I have some pictures I'll right.
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You're coming in person.
I'm so excited.
I Me This is to be so good.
So good.
have a lovely, lovely garden and a spare room.
That's great.
And I actually think I might use this format to document my trip.
Please.
That's a great idea.
Yeah.
And the other ones that we took off were like, where we kind of were making Chineseguitar.
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I have a friend whose parents escaped the Maoist regime and it was not frigging funny.
know, but we didn't know about that.
We just thought it was.
Well, Sheila and I wrote that song.
But again, in this, this instance, it was more me coming from my experience, which was Ilived in Japan for a year.
And that was actually my racial awakening in a huge way.
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Cause one of the first jobs I applied for out of college was to work for the rainbowcoalition with Jesse Jackson.
But in Japan, I had the experience of being the other.
And even though.
It's not even equal at all to being black or Asian where, you know, you are identifiedbefore you're known, right?
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But it was coming from that love of the culture.
So, but again, same thing.
Also, you were just playing with the pick at the top of the guitar thing and it sounded toyou, it sounded Asian.
And then we were like making a joke about it, you know, because it was mostly about usmaking fun of how we couldn't play instruments and we're making things up.
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That's true.
Right?
Like me with a toy piano and the harmonium was like, dinky, dinky, dinky.
You know, it was funny.
All right.
I always thought this was a funny song.
Still do.
This one is called Chinese guitar.
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Stuart, we're gonna ask Stuart back up.
Stuart is, man Stuart's a great guy.
Stuart, when I was a novice, before I became a professional, before I started to feel likeAdrian Ballou, Stuart saw the potential in me and he taught me many things, one of which
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was Chinese guitar, which I wrote some lyrics to.
We're going to do it for you in orchestra for guitars.
This is a major time.
you
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This is difficult to arrange.
is difficult to arrange.
here we go.
Chinese guitar, it's really neat.
Lots of little sounds that are so, high.
Probably wouldn't even fit on the end of the piano keys, yeah.
Chinese guitar, it's really neat You can even play it when you're really, beat It's sohigh it makes you go away Cause Chinese guitar is kinda like transcendence, yeah Chinese
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guitar, it's really neat But their guitars don't look like ours But I can play Chineseguitar the western style, yeah
If I weren't a westernized Chinese guitarist I'd be a Taoist and I'd be releasing a songat all, yeah So thank God for westerners who play Chinese guitar Cause the Chinese, they
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wouldn't do it It's not because they're modest It's just because they're kind of elitistCause they're Confucianists, yeah
But then there's always a question Would Mao agree with Westerners playing Chinese guitar?
I don't know if he would or not It's probably not in his little red handbook No, well,Mao's getting it Chinese guitar, what can I say?
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I think I better stop and play some other American like Bob Dylan or Neil Young He'sAmerican Yeah
Sheila and I did, I think this was after Artslitz, we did an cassette recording that wasin open guitar.
(16:05):
No chords, yeah, no chords.
it was like, God, the Ann and Sheila show.
Carl Haas in open guitar.
had Carl Haas, remember?
And so he was the classical music guy and he would be explaining the...
Yeah.
philosophy of open guitar.
so anyway, that's terrible, but it's funny.
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Then there was Lockjaw.
That was a tough one for me, but Pam really opened my eyes on that one.
Yeah, for sure.
I think it's very funny.
Not if you have this condition, but it makes me laugh.
This song is called Lockjaw.
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we do lockjaw while we're right here?
no problem.
Another new song.
This was written over Thanksgiving.
And we had a party at our house, and everyone was running around singing this.
So you two can learn the dangers of this important issue.
It's very important.
Now listen Take this home with you.
Write pamphlets with little people drawn on them.
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know, those bubble people.
What a for rusty nails One day when I was running out to get the mail I tripped over arickety fence and fell on a rusty nail no
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And as I stumbled home I wondered when my last tetanus was I knew you were supposed tohave one every ten years because you might get locked up
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I said honey could you massage my jaw it's feeling a little stiff she said you're lookingshaky and pale have you recently stepped on any rusty nails
no, you might have locked jaw no, then my friend came over and gave me a kiss He steppedback and looked at me funny and said, hey When did you become a ventriloquist?
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I said, I'm not Then you might have locked jaw no
By the time I got out to see my physician, he took off his glasses and seriously said,son, this is a terminal condition.
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You've got...
Lacta no, was afraid of it no, it's Lacta Let's watch out for rusty nails
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because of disability rights.
Yeah.
Well, also just people, there's a history of making fun of people who are ill.
Yeah.
And, you making fun of people for physical features like mono brow.
We talked about that one too.
Well, you know, I mean, very famous people like Frida Gayle had mono brow.
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That's true.
Yes, she did.
And then there was narcolepsy and schizophrenia.
Now, did we keep narcolepsy in?
I mean, we had a conversation about it.
Yeah.
Narcolepsy was already released as a part of the studio recording.
again, we may have talked about this on the previous podcast, but she had seizuredisorder, pretty severe.
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And when I lived with her, really found out because you would hear her literally bouncingoff the walls and the floor.
Yeah, it was really, really bad.
she took, can't remember.
the name of the medication starts with a D, but it was like basically just kind of numbedyou out, know?
And she hated that drug because it made her less sharp.
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So that was the song that she sang and she was, a lot of the songs that we would do, itwould be her with the idea or me with the idea and then we would add stuff.
So that was kind of her song.
And in the live recording of the interview from that time period, remember Sheila talks,you can kind of hear her
saying I have this condition.
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Here is a song called Narcolepsy.
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I guess
Yeah, no!
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So
And then what was the last one that you said?
Schizophrenia.
That's song.
No, it's definitely not.
Yeah, that was.
Yeah.
Since all of us have had issues with partners who have mental health issues.
You know I mean?
just.
Yeah, right.
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Yes.
It's actually very painful.
Well, and I mean, doesn't like half the country, half the world have mental health issues?
I mean, I certainly have had my share.
For sure.
keep saying it's kind of neck and neck, whether it's mental illness or the extinctionevent that's going to take us out first.
Seriously, right?
You know, I was just one side note on the mental illness.
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My grandmother on my dad's side actually had the shock therapy and she when she attendedmy dad, my mom's wedding, she had just come out of the hospital and she was like just, you
know.
a shell of a person.
And who knows, you know, what could have been done.
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I had a yeah, I had an aunt with schizophrenia.
I didn't actually know it at that time when we were in the arts.
I didn't find out until later in life.
But I think that part of it to our age where we were, where we lived, our experiences thatwere so narrow in many ways in terms of culture and not really
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You know, obviously, as Terry was saying, we've we've had a lot of experiences since then.
We've made a lot of, you know, we have had a lot of relationships with different people inthat are not like us, you know, and.
You know, just you learn also through art and reading and, you know, events, you know, inthe world.
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And I think we're we're in a different place today.
And I think we also just had a lot of incredible songs that we kept.
because they still speak to things today, unfortunately.
Contraceptors are a bore.
can still sing that.
Contraceptors are a bore.
For some reason, what popped in my head was, remember Earth Mamas of the 1980s?
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Yeah.
Yes!
It was completely inane, but always made me laugh.
Earth Mamas of the 19...
80s.
And then we felt a couple of really good songs.
(26:36):
That Sperm in the Big Canal song was hilarious.
then Mama's Don't Your Babies Grow Up to be Art Sluts.
Come on, that was good too.
the outro was very good.
I made that space song up about my relationship with Jessie James.
Somebody was named that they duped.
That song was great.
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But I love that song.
She was singing, give me land lots of land with the sorry skies above.
It's great.
Such a good punk pairing, you know.
I went over to see him because I really like his place.
But you know what he said when I walked in the door?
said, baby, I just need some space.
And so I said, hey, that's cool, because I need some space too.
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We both just need space.
But I wanted to scream out, space, yeah, like isn't that the whole idea?
For you to be in your space and me to be in my space.
So both of us could be alone together, together, alone.
We sit next to each other on the couch, but we're both a million miles away.
You with your past lovers and me with my childhood.
And there's plenty of
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Space
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think I need it anymore, man.
I just don't think I need it anymore.
Well, favorite of all songs are Anne's poem.
That's a good one.
That's a good one.
That was my favorite one.
That's slipping out of my brain right now.
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was about Rowena Axel.
By your window.
Occasionally.
I still sing that.
still sing that.
a good one.
Occasionally.
Well, yours is like, Those two songs.
Dorothy.
original odds.
Stand out for me.
It's so good.
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Dorothy, Dorothy, Dorothy.
Well, you want to hang out with a bunch of men.
No brains, no heart.
Come on.
Why do it in the loo?
When you can do it on a broom.
Yeah.
That is totally relevant.
Where can we hear this music by the way?
Where is Pam's music?
Well, yes, Pam should release her remaster, her music, but.
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I just need to figure out how to, I just need to the time to sit down and figure out howto do it.
Which it's an investment.
But you know what?
It's like, one of the things.
Archiving your own And one of the things Jeff and I always talk about is like, if youdon't exist in the digital world,
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You don't, mean, I'm, civilization's probably gonna crumble and then it won't matteranyway, but if.
It actually is crumbling.
Yes, but if there's, but if there's any nuggets that are gonna be saved or discovered, Ithink it will be art and music.
By the way, I should say, since we're talking about it crumbling, I got two new books thatwork paid for.
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I love it when work will pay for books like this, but one is.
that algorithms of oppression about racism on the Internet.
Markle like that.
And the other one is.
The other one is race after technology, which is similar.
Both of these women are talking about racism inherent in technology and and the Internet.
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So and we're mostly the reason that I'm reading those is because with the out.
my God, artificial intelligence and chat, GDP coming out, you know, all of the all of theeducational institutions are trying to get in front of this and figure out what to do.
But one of the biggest problem, I mean, a main focus is on cheating.
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But for a lot of other people, this information focuses on the inherent bias associatedwith.
don't know what its impact is going to do.
And just because we it's like GMOs, just because we can do it.
There's no reason ethically for us to pursue that at it's center and anything that's aprofit center is going to get done, right?
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right.
Money is more important than our lives.
forget.
Money is more important than love.
How can I dare have those values?
Yeah, it's a...
But, know, being the eternal optimist, you know, we can sit here and have thisconversation where like Pussy Riot, you know, they were in jail.
They were in jail for what we did.
(31:36):
Wow.
You know, exactly.
Right.
Yes.
They're still not to get all patriotic, but there are, you know, there's still someredeeming qualities in the United States.
You know, you see somebody like Barack Obama and Michelle Obama, and it's just like that.
He and she pointed a spotlight on what is so great about our country.
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And I think it was the first time that a politician pointed to the aspect of the meltingpot multicultural.
pointed everybody in that direction and said, this is what's great.
And there's a, there's an inherent difference between people thinking that there's a wayof life that's the way of life.
And then there's many ways of life that we all learn from and grow from and it's organicand beautiful, you know?
(32:26):
Yes.
yeah.
Yeah.
That's good.
Okay.
might be a great way to wrap this up.
Did we cover Pam?
Did we cover our
our I think we did.
was very good.
I like, I like the step three, which we did.
says each of us has a chance to talk without interruption.
(32:49):
We did!
We did, we did!
For sure, we did.
I thought we did really good this time with that.
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I hate to leave you baby
It's just my music baby and I gotta do the show
So we fucked it.
Because it was there, we're art's blood
And why is transness and non-binary people with those identities so difficult?
(00:22):
Because we don't know how to value them.
And so we want them to be in a caste system where people with indeterminate gender,meaning a weenie white boy can't fucking tell who they are and if they want to fuck them
or not, right?
That's really what's going on.
Then you get the lowest value.
And we're going to try to annihilate you because somehow your existence
(00:42):
And or if you're black, if you're black, especially if you're a black man, I mean, we canwatch murder after murder after murder of black men by police on video captured.
And it's still like in the minds of so many white people, questionable whether that's OK,because they are devalued.
(01:04):
Yeah.
The big the big when you start thinking about the big issues like this is just.
I think we would write different songs today.
Here, this is what I Yes, absolutely.
We do this until we're free.
It's about abolitionism.
Organizing and what real transformative justice is and what it would mean to live withoutprison, without prison or police.
(01:32):
Yes.
I was just going to say that I think that when you're looking at big societal problems,
The solutions a lot of times are super obvious, but it's the will of the majority of thepeople in order to make it happen.
For instance, I think that with African-American community, black community, it's likereparations just have to happen.
(01:58):
And if that happened, think it's like it would just transform our, exactly, our ability tobe the, you know,
the Rainbow Coalition that I love and that Jesse Jackson, you know, started, you know,it's like, but you can't deny somebody's their story.
(02:18):
No, yeah, yeah.
And I mean, it's it's built into so many things like systemically, like you were both ofyou were talking about.
There's a new book out, Poverty by America.
What's his name?
Matthew.
Forget his last name.
But but just the systems that we have set up
are set up to keep poor and black people at the bottom and to elevate wealthy people.
(02:44):
And it's so systemic that it's not even just the will of the people.
It's our politicians.
It's the believing in the pull yourself out by your own bootstraps.
That never applies to oligarchs.
Right.
mean, like a lot of our budgetary problems in America could be solved by the more than atrillion dollars that wealthy people are
(03:06):
refusing to pay and using lawyers to get around.
Yes.
Right.
Or homelessness, you know, during COVID, everybody found a solution to get the homelessoff the street very quickly.
It's like, okay, empty hotel rooms, there they go.
And then all of a sudden COVID's gone and it's like, they're back on the street.
And you have all these young black kids in jail, like you were talking about, Terri, whilethe Sattler family just got off on not having to pay anything.
(03:32):
For killing people.
For killing people.
profit, yeah.
And we could write a lot of good songs, but back to the, you know, we like Mia Culpa,right?
Like we realized that some of our things were misuse of our privilege, right?
And the, some of it's still funny.
(03:53):
And how do we do that?
So we didn't feel like we could actually put things back out without having a podcast thatwas explaining.
are thinking about it and are being real and that this is something that we would, in theeighties, nobody did that, right?
You didn't have to like explain the cultural context of your music.
(04:13):
And in fact, I would say there's lots of people right now that are just putting thingsback out without any sensitivity to how the cultural context has changed, but we wanted
to.
Yes, I agree.
Do you want to talk about some of the other songs that we cut?
So this is Anne, full disclosure.
You know, we did not release some of the material and I have very conflicting feelingsabout this.
(04:42):
in this episode, we talk about the songs that we took out.
So I think it makes sense for you to hear the songs and judge for yourself.
(05:13):
I got eyebrows, pushy and wide like a a fucking Neanderthal.
Be
What's up?
Mahalo!
(05:43):
was born, you know, that didn't say, hey, that's a cute little baby.
It's just her model bra.
(06:08):
his friend wants, he's dead now.
But I didn't mean to do it.
It's just that he said, hey man, look at that, that furry headband you got on.
And I had to, cause I'm just sensitive about my monobrow.
It's not unibrow.
(06:29):
It's a monobrow.
It's a.
Thank
That has deep inner meanings.
Let's see, we cut.
I think I have the list here.
it the reggae That was really rude of us.
(06:50):
Chinese.
Well, the one thing I want to say since Sheila can't speak for herself is that Sheila in alot of ways identified as a person of color.
Absolutely.
She was half Persian, half Swedish.
And she
(07:11):
embrace the black community and the reggae community in such a way.
Like I learned so much about the history.
I didn't know about Marcus Garvey except for Sheila teaching us about all that.
was very potent and useful to learn that from her.
Exactly.
So her, the humor of that song was that I didn't know about reggae.
(07:34):
So, and she knew about it.
And, and I was like just kind of mimicking
you know, Yaman, you know, all this kind of stuff, like just not understanding the historyof it.
So I think if she was here, she would not necessarily, I think she would be in agreementto take it off.
But I think that she would explain that.
(07:56):
And I'm sorry to speak for her, I think that's what she would say.
We did a bit called the reggae song.
(08:20):
Remember that word butt catcher.
Rastaman vibrations, ayy, playing in the sun, running naked underneath the trees, smokyflea
(09:01):
We wait, wait for the
Down with the profession, they cut off my dress.
(09:39):
Who is Markis Kavi?
Markis Kavi easy.
(10:05):
For
Cut off my dreads, Rastaman.
Hey, man, how does this song end, man?
Does this song end, man?
Rastaman, when does this song end, man?
(10:30):
Rastaman, everybody dance to the vibrations.
Rastaman, the vibrations.
Rastaman, Rastaman, sleep Babylon.
Leaving in the sun.
(10:59):
Win this song and monkey.
Last song.
Now vibration.
We wish we had her voice here.
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We do.
We sure do.
We sure do.
And so for people that don't know, like Sheila died in 2005, correct?
Yes, 2005 from lung cancer.
cancer.
Lung cancer and then it went into the brain.
Yeah.
actually, when I see you all soon, I have some pictures I'll right.
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You're coming in person.
I'm so excited.
I Me This is to be so good.
So good.
have a lovely, lovely garden and a spare room.
That's great.
And I actually think I might use this format to document my trip.
Please.
That's a great idea.
Yeah.
And the other ones that we took off were like, where we kind of were making Chineseguitar.
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I have a friend whose parents escaped the Maoist regime and it was not frigging funny.
know, but we didn't know about that.
We just thought it was.
Well, Sheila and I wrote that song.
But again, in this, this instance, it was more me coming from my experience, which was Ilived in Japan for a year.
And that was actually my racial awakening in a huge way.
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Cause one of the first jobs I applied for out of college was to work for the rainbowcoalition with Jesse Jackson.
But in Japan, I had the experience of being the other.
And even though.
It's not even equal at all to being black or Asian where, you know, you are identifiedbefore you're known, right?
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But it was coming from that love of the culture.
So, but again, same thing.
Also, you were just playing with the pick at the top of the guitar thing and it sounded toyou, it sounded Asian.
And then we were like making a joke about it, you know, because it was mostly about usmaking fun of how we couldn't play instruments and we're making things up.
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That's true.
Right?
Like me with a toy piano and the harmonium was like, dinky, dinky, dinky.
You know, it was funny.
All right.
I always thought this was a funny song.
Still do.
This one is called Chinese guitar.
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Stuart, we're gonna ask Stuart back up.
Stuart is, man Stuart's a great guy.
Stuart, when I was a novice, before I became a professional, before I started to feel likeAdrian Ballou, Stuart saw the potential in me and he taught me many things, one of which
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was Chinese guitar, which I wrote some lyrics to.
We're going to do it for you in orchestra for guitars.
This is a major time.
you
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This is difficult to arrange.
is difficult to arrange.
here we go.
Chinese guitar, it's really neat.
Lots of little sounds that are so, high.
Probably wouldn't even fit on the end of the piano keys, yeah.
Chinese guitar, it's really neat You can even play it when you're really, beat It's sohigh it makes you go away Cause Chinese guitar is kinda like transcendence, yeah Chinese
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guitar, it's really neat But their guitars don't look like ours But I can play Chineseguitar the western style, yeah
If I weren't a westernized Chinese guitarist I'd be a Taoist and I'd be releasing a songat all, yeah So thank God for westerners who play Chinese guitar Cause the Chinese, they
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wouldn't do it It's not because they're modest It's just because they're kind of elitistCause they're Confucianists, yeah
But then there's always a question Would Mao agree with Westerners playing Chinese guitar?
I don't know if he would or not It's probably not in his little red handbook No, well,Mao's getting it Chinese guitar, what can I say?
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I think I better stop and play some other American like Bob Dylan or Neil Young He'sAmerican Yeah
Sheila and I did, I think this was after Artslitz, we did an cassette recording that wasin open guitar.
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No chords, yeah, no chords.
it was like, God, the Ann and Sheila show.
Carl Haas in open guitar.
had Carl Haas, remember?
And so he was the classical music guy and he would be explaining the...
Yeah.
philosophy of open guitar.
so anyway, that's terrible, but it's funny.
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Then there was Lockjaw.
That was a tough one for me, but Pam really opened my eyes on that one.
Yeah, for sure.
I think it's very funny.
Not if you have this condition, but it makes me laugh.
This song is called Lockjaw.
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we do lockjaw while we're right here?
no problem.
Another new song.
This was written over Thanksgiving.
And we had a party at our house, and everyone was running around singing this.
So you two can learn the dangers of this important issue.
It's very important.
Now listen Take this home with you.
Write pamphlets with little people drawn on them.
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know, those bubble people.
What a for rusty nails One day when I was running out to get the mail I tripped over arickety fence and fell on a rusty nail no
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And as I stumbled home I wondered when my last tetanus was I knew you were supposed tohave one every ten years because you might get locked up
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I said honey could you massage my jaw it's feeling a little stiff she said you're lookingshaky and pale have you recently stepped on any rusty nails
no, you might have locked jaw no, then my friend came over and gave me a kiss He steppedback and looked at me funny and said, hey When did you become a ventriloquist?
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I said, I'm not Then you might have locked jaw no
By the time I got out to see my physician, he took off his glasses and seriously said,son, this is a terminal condition.
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You've got...
Lacta no, was afraid of it no, it's Lacta Let's watch out for rusty nails
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because of disability rights.
Yeah.
Well, also just people, there's a history of making fun of people who are ill.
Yeah.
And, you making fun of people for physical features like mono brow.
We talked about that one too.
Well, you know, I mean, very famous people like Frida Gayle had mono brow.
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That's true.
Yes, she did.
And then there was narcolepsy and schizophrenia.
Now, did we keep narcolepsy in?
I mean, we had a conversation about it.
Yeah.
Narcolepsy was already released as a part of the studio recording.
again, we may have talked about this on the previous podcast, but she had seizuredisorder, pretty severe.
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And when I lived with her, really found out because you would hear her literally bouncingoff the walls and the floor.
Yeah, it was really, really bad.
she took, can't remember.
the name of the medication starts with a D, but it was like basically just kind of numbedyou out, know?
And she hated that drug because it made her less sharp.
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So that was the song that she sang and she was, a lot of the songs that we would do, itwould be her with the idea or me with the idea and then we would add stuff.
So that was kind of her song.
And in the live recording of the interview from that time period, remember Sheila talks,you can kind of hear her
saying I have this condition.
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Here is a song called Narcolepsy.
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I guess
Yeah, no!
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So
And then what was the last one that you said?
Schizophrenia.
That's song.
No, it's definitely not.
Yeah, that was.
Yeah.
Since all of us have had issues with partners who have mental health issues.
You know I mean?
just.
Yeah, right.
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Yes.
It's actually very painful.
Well, and I mean, doesn't like half the country, half the world have mental health issues?
I mean, I certainly have had my share.
For sure.
keep saying it's kind of neck and neck, whether it's mental illness or the extinctionevent that's going to take us out first.
Seriously, right?
You know, I was just one side note on the mental illness.
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My grandmother on my dad's side actually had the shock therapy and she when she attendedmy dad, my mom's wedding, she had just come out of the hospital and she was like just, you
know.
a shell of a person.
And who knows, you know, what could have been done.
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I had a yeah, I had an aunt with schizophrenia.
I didn't actually know it at that time when we were in the arts.
I didn't find out until later in life.
But I think that part of it to our age where we were, where we lived, our experiences thatwere so narrow in many ways in terms of culture and not really
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You know, obviously, as Terry was saying, we've we've had a lot of experiences since then.
We've made a lot of, you know, we have had a lot of relationships with different people inthat are not like us, you know, and.
You know, just you learn also through art and reading and, you know, events, you know, inthe world.
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And I think we're we're in a different place today.
And I think we also just had a lot of incredible songs that we kept.
because they still speak to things today, unfortunately.
Contraceptors are a bore.
can still sing that.
Contraceptors are a bore.
For some reason, what popped in my head was, remember Earth Mamas of the 1980s?
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Yeah.
Yes!
It was completely inane, but always made me laugh.
Earth Mamas of the 19...
80s.
And then we felt a couple of really good songs.
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That Sperm in the Big Canal song was hilarious.
then Mama's Don't Your Babies Grow Up to be Art Sluts.
Come on, that was good too.
the outro was very good.
I made that space song up about my relationship with Jessie James.
Somebody was named that they duped.
That song was great.
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But I love that song.
She was singing, give me land lots of land with the sorry skies above.
It's great.
Such a good punk pairing, you know.
I went over to see him because I really like his place.
But you know what he said when I walked in the door?
said, baby, I just need some space.
And so I said, hey, that's cool, because I need some space too.
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We both just need space.
But I wanted to scream out, space, yeah, like isn't that the whole idea?
For you to be in your space and me to be in my space.
So both of us could be alone together, together, alone.
We sit next to each other on the couch, but we're both a million miles away.
You with your past lovers and me with my childhood.
And there's plenty of
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Space
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think I need it anymore, man.
I just don't think I need it anymore.
Well, favorite of all songs are Anne's poem.
That's a good one.
That's a good one.
That was my favorite one.
That's slipping out of my brain right now.
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was about Rowena Axel.
By your window.
Occasionally.
I still sing that.
still sing that.
a good one.
Occasionally.
Well, yours is like, Those two songs.
Dorothy.
original odds.
Stand out for me.
It's so good.
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Dorothy, Dorothy, Dorothy.
Well, you want to hang out with a bunch of men.
No brains, no heart.
Come on.
Why do it in the loo?
When you can do it on a broom.
Yeah.
That is totally relevant.
Where can we hear this music by the way?
Where is Pam's music?
Well, yes, Pam should release her remaster, her music, but.
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I just need to figure out how to, I just need to the time to sit down and figure out howto do it.
Which it's an investment.
But you know what?
It's like, one of the things.
Archiving your own And one of the things Jeff and I always talk about is like, if youdon't exist in the digital world,
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You don't, mean, I'm, civilization's probably gonna crumble and then it won't matteranyway, but if.
It actually is crumbling.
Yes, but if there's, but if there's any nuggets that are gonna be saved or discovered, Ithink it will be art and music.
By the way, I should say, since we're talking about it crumbling, I got two new books thatwork paid for.
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I love it when work will pay for books like this, but one is.
that algorithms of oppression about racism on the Internet.
Markle like that.
And the other one is.
The other one is race after technology, which is similar.
Both of these women are talking about racism inherent in technology and and the Internet.
(30:30):
So and we're mostly the reason that I'm reading those is because with the out.
my God, artificial intelligence and chat, GDP coming out, you know, all of the all of theeducational institutions are trying to get in front of this and figure out what to do.
But one of the biggest problem, I mean, a main focus is on cheating.
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But for a lot of other people, this information focuses on the inherent bias associatedwith.
don't know what its impact is going to do.
And just because we it's like GMOs, just because we can do it.
There's no reason ethically for us to pursue that at it's center and anything that's aprofit center is going to get done, right?
(31:15):
right.
Money is more important than our lives.
forget.
Money is more important than love.
How can I dare have those values?
Yeah, it's a...
But, know, being the eternal optimist, you know, we can sit here and have thisconversation where like Pussy Riot, you know, they were in jail.
They were in jail for what we did.
(31:36):
Wow.
You know, exactly.
Right.
Yes.
They're still not to get all patriotic, but there are, you know, there's still someredeeming qualities in the United States.
You know, you see somebody like Barack Obama and Michelle Obama, and it's just like that.
He and she pointed a spotlight on what is so great about our country.
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And I think it was the first time that a politician pointed to the aspect of the meltingpot multicultural.
pointed everybody in that direction and said, this is what's great.
And there's a, there's an inherent difference between people thinking that there's a wayof life that's the way of life.
And then there's many ways of life that we all learn from and grow from and it's organicand beautiful, you know?
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Yes.
yeah.
Yeah.
That's good.
Okay.
might be a great way to wrap this up.
Did we cover Pam?
Did we cover our
our I think we did.
was very good.
I like, I like the step three, which we did.
says each of us has a chance to talk without interruption.
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We did!
We did, we did!
For sure, we did.
I thought we did really good this time with that.
Until next time, we're Art Sluts!
We're Art Sluts!
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Okay, one more time.
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