Pesticides, The Silent Killer w/ Sarah Starman |EP595

THE BIG MIG SHOW
JUNE 30, 2025
EPISODE 595- 11AM

Sarah Starman is a Senior Food & Agriculture Campaigner with Friends of the Earth, where she works to protect people and the environment from toxic pesticides, advance healthier methods of agriculture like organic farming

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How you feeling? You're good.
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Come on man. All right, so, you know, we're
joined. You guys know that often we we
do this show, it's all about trying to educate you and really
get the truth out there. The truth is never easy.
You know, I was just talking to our guests backstage.
And sometimes when you're telling the truth, you feel
isolated. One of the big things you've
heard about Roundup, you've heard about pesticides.

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But sometimes we all minimize maybe what that really means.
And today we're joined by Sarah Starman, and she's a senior Food
and Agriculture campaigner with Friends of the Earth, where she
works to protect people and the environment from toxic
pesticides, advanced healthier methods of agriculture like
organic farming, and fight the influence of big AG over our

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food system, which you guys knowthat is a constant battle.
They are extremely powerful. Their lobbyists are very
powerful. She has ABA from the University
of Pennsylvania. She's a graduate of Green
Corpse, the field school for organizers.
She's a skilled campaigner with over a decade of advocacy and
policy experience. And since 2021, she's been the
primary operate for her family's110 acre farm on the Eastern

(06:00):
Shore of Maryland Patent itself.I can't imagine working full
time and taking care of a farm. We were discussing that and how
complicated it is. Let's go ahead and bring her in.
George. No reason to leave backstage.
Welcome to the big, big show, Sarah Starman.
How you doing girl? Thanks for having me.
I'm glad to be here. We're.
Glad to. Have thanks for joining us,
Sarah. So let's let's talk about your

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farm for just a second to give the audience a little
background. So this was your grandparents
farm originally. Is that when it started?
Yes. So it is my grandparents farm.
It still belongs to them, but they retired about five years
ago and someone in the family needed to take over.
We wanted it to stay in the family, and I've always been
really passionate about conservation and about healthy

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food, so I took over when they retired.
And it's on the Eastern Shore ofMaryland in the Chesapeake Bay
region. We have 110 acres, including
some wildlife habitat that's mostly used for hunting and
conservation, and hazelnut and chestnut orchard.
Wow, Yeah, it's a lot of work. I can't imagine.
I I didn't grow up in a farm. I grew up in New York and I grew

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up in Fordham Rd. in the Bronx and then White Plains later,
although there were, there were lots of farms we'd visit.
My family would go out and buy, you know, fruit and vegetables
from different farms around New York.
It was always great to go to those locations and buy fresh
produce. Of course, it wasn't as big a
struggle back then. I'm not sure that Big AG was as
ruthless as when I was a child as they are now, you know, but

(07:27):
that's kind of a, you know, this, this is such a monster
fight. I guess I have to ask you, what
kind of got you started in that direction?
Was it because if you grew up around the farm and you were
concerned early on or, or, or was it school?
I mean, what kind of triggered you?
Because we all have that, at least I do.
You know, we all have this epiphany moment at some point.
I was never really that political and I basically stayed

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on the sidelines most of the time.
But as I began to really understand what was really going
on, I got to the point where I just couldn't tolerate it any
longer. I thought that this isn't really
what I think should be going on.So how did you kind of head down
this path? Yeah, that's a great question.
I think the thing that really kind of triggered me
specifically on getting chemicals out of our food, air

(08:10):
and water and on the issue of toxic pesticides was when I
actually moved to the farm four years ago, I just saw how much
exposure there is in rural areas.
And I mean, something that really motivated me on the
personal level is that my grandfather was diagnosed with
Parkinson's a number of years ago, and he actually passed away
earlier this year. And I know that he used a highly

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hazardous herbicide called Paraquat on the farm when he
managed it. I found it in the barns.
I know that he used it during his lifetime and that's actually
a pesticide that is linked to Parkinson's disease.
And it's so toxic that it's banned in over 70 other
countries around the world, but it's not banned in the US.
It's still available commercially and we use hundreds
of thousands of pounds of it. And so, you know, this really

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raised some questions for me living in this rural area,
living on my grandparents farm, seeing my grandfather struggle
with Parkinson's after using a pesticide linked to Parkinson's,
that just made me start asking questions.
Why are pesticides that are banned in other countries
allowed here? Why do people have to be exposed
to these chemicals at all in theUS?
Would my grandfather still have gotten this chronic disease if

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he hadn't been exposed to paraquat?
And that's not, you know, a story that's unique to me.
I think that's what's motivatinga lot of people right now to
fight for a healthier food system and to fight against
chemical exposure. Both in rural America and across
the country, people are losing more and more loved ones to
cancers, to neurological disorders.
Many of these chronic health conditions are on the rise, and

(09:38):
they're often linked to toxic exposure in our food, air,
water, or environment. So that's something that I think
really got me into this particular field of trying to
get toxics out of our food system.
You know, Lance, it's funny because, you know, why does the
United States allow these these chemicals on our food?
Same thing with the, you know, we do.

(09:59):
We're going through the same thing with dyes, all these crazy
chemicals that are allowed in our foods, our cereals that
they're banned in other countries.
Hopefully they can get rid of this crap because it's getting
ridiculous because they say so many, so many kids, people are
getting sick because of all these chemicals in the food.
It's we hear it non-stop. And hopefully Kennedy started.

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Yeah, hopefully Kennedy gets on top of this and.
Well, the tough part is, is thatthey are so sophisticated about
the operation and they've, they're so well funded.
And I say they because it, it's interesting when you look at all
of it, what I think's a struggle, what I think is always
interesting. We were talking about this
backstage before Sarah came on, is that, you know, these or

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these, you know, the, the, the, the food agricultural business
is so well funded and their lobbyists are so powerful.
And it's, it's interesting if you travel a lot and if you
start comparing labels of foods and for say, for example, you
take a look at a ketchup bottle in another country and it may be
very simple that it's sugar, vinegar, tomatoes, you know,

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salt seasonings. And then you look at the ketchup
bottle here and it's got 50 different things in it.
About 80% of them, you have no idea what the hell they are
unless you're an expert like Sarah.
And you ask yourself, why is that?
Why is it that our food is so loaded with so many different
things when it just could be much simpler?
And I understand they want to extend the shelf life, but a lot

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of it goes beyond shelf life extension.
And you ask yourself, OK, why did they need that?
And my question always comes down to, it's always one of
these things that I think to myself, what's the real plan
behind the scenes? Because I know probably the
difficulty and we were, we were discussing this is how knowing
the truth somewhat alienates youand you end up kind of, and what

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happens to George and I, there'sthings that we know about, even
things that we've been told thatmaybe we can't discuss because
they were told in confidence to us about something going on.
Maybe when it gets exposed laterwhere we can bring it up then
because we get lots of information from different
people within the government andagencies around it.
But it's interesting that you, the, the more you know, the more

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difficult it becomes. And then you ask yourself, well,
why the hell would it be like that?
We were discussing and for the audience, you know, if you guys
go back and look at pictures of the beaches, 1950s, early 60's,
the people looked a lot different.
They looked a lot healthier. There wasn't this obesity issue.
I don't think the, the prevalence of, you know, whether

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it was Parkinson's, Alzheimer's,cancer, they, they, they were
less prevalent. We were a healthier society, but
yet supposedly we've improved things, you know, and I guess
you know, for you, your journey,you, you know, you, you're part
of the green corpse training andyou're doing national campaigns
at Friends of the Earth. You know, as you're doing that
stuff, do you feel like the struggle is real?

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You know, you're fighting constantly.
Like son of a bitch. This should just be so easy.
And all I do is feel like a salmon swimming upstream.
Really great question. I think the part that is easy is
that this is an extremely unifying issue.
And when we're talking about everyday Americans, I work with
people, you know, from all, fromall walks of life, all across

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the country, all different political affiliations, all
different identities. And everyone wants to be
healthy. Everyone wants their loved ones
to be healthy. And no one is excited about
having toxic chemicals in their food.
No one wants toxic chemicals in their food.
That's extremely unifying. And so that part is easy.
It's not hard to connect with other everyday people.

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The difficult part, the part that feels most like swimming
upstream, which you sort of alluded to, is fighting the
chemical industry and Big AG andthese other industries that have
so much influence over our political system and have
corrupted our political and regulatory processes.
I mean, the pesticide industry, the chemical industry spends $77
million a year on lobbying at the federal level.

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That puts them as one of the highest industry spenders in DC,
and they spend millions of dollars on advertising, and they
do all sorts of things at the state level as well.
So the industry's fighting toothand nail to keep their toxic
products on the market and to keep politicians in their
pocket, even though there's a lot of unification among
everyday Americans across the political spectrum around

(14:24):
wanting healthier food and wanting chemicals out of our
food. Yeah, it's, you know, and, and,
and people, I think a lot of times there's an assumption
that, you know, of course these industries want the best for us
and I, I don't agree with that. I think what they want is the
best profit. It's not about necessarily
creating healthier food. You know, and there's, and of

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course there's lots of differentbelief systems out there.
You know, some people think it'sbecause of the, you know, going
from what would have been predominantly A carnivore diet,
of course, an agricultural diet with lots of wheat.
But it's interesting that when you eat wheat, say you're in
Italy as an example, and you eata weed or flower product, you
don't have the same reaction. Not a lot of people claim it's

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gluten, but we, you know, the people that are in the know,
know it's glycophate, right? That, that that's probably
what's really causing the reaction.
I have some of that, but when I'm overseas, I can eat as much
pasta and weed or anything I want.
I also don't feel bloated afterwards.
You don't have this general sensation of bloating.
And I think people don't realizethat the core issues and what

(15:30):
we're having here is it's all about for profit.
It's not about for help. It's not about for doing the
better thing for you or your children.
And I and, and a lot of people are very enthusiastic about RFK,
you know, Junior and as are we, we, we supported him 100%.
But I feel like he's got such a monster to go up against.

(15:52):
And I'm just not sure that this administration is, is, do you
know, we all wanted accountability and consequences
and we were all hoping that things would move more quickly
than they are. Because it's always interesting
that four years goes by much more, much faster than anybody
ever assumes. What do you think about the, the
workload that RFK is taking on? Because, you know, I, I trust

(16:14):
him and I know he wants to do the right thing, but I'm
wondering if he's going to be able to do it in the time he's
got. That's a great question.
And to be honest, I am concernedbecause I think, you know, the
spirit of where Kennedy's comingfrom, which is we need real
reform on these issues and to make people healthy again.
That, you know, I think is great.
But he's one person. And then we have the entire

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administration and Congress who are, I think, mostly operating
against him. And we're really seeing that
fight play out right now, especially in terms of
chemicals. So on the one hand, we have
Kennedy and the Maha Commission releasing their report saying,
hey, you know, toxic pesticide exposure impacts Children's
Health. Children are particularly

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vulnerable from conception through puberty to the impacts
of pesticides, and they're beingexposed to dozens of these
chemicals in their food. And that's leading to chronic
health issues. And that is in part because of
the influence of the pesticide industry, and we need to address
that. So that's in, you know, the
Mohawk Commission report. But then on the other hand, you
know, we have Lee Zeldin, who's the chief administrator of the

(17:19):
EPA right now, who's appointing chemical industry lobbyists to
oversee chemical safety. And so those are, you know, two
hands working at total cross purposes within the
administration. And then we have Congress, who
is also not acting in a way thatwould reduce our exposures to
chemicals. For example, you know, in their

(17:39):
budget reconciliation bill they're trying to pass right
now, there's a $30 billion increase for chemical intensive
commodity crop subsidies, which will lock, you know, large
industrial commodity farmers into another decade of chemical
production and is basically a handout direct to the chemical
industry. It'll pass directly through

(18:00):
large industrial farms straight to like major pesticide
producers. So we're seeing really the
administration not kind of sure how to make its goal, like how
to advance these goals. Yeah, it's, it's definitely a
battle, you know, and, and, and that's, and that's the problem,

(18:23):
right? Because the lobbyists have
become so incredibly powerful. And me personally, you know,
again, I'm not ever going to be president of the United States,
but if I was, I'd probably make lobbying illegal, at least
during my time. I'm sure I couldn't get it
passed through Congress, but I could have passed an executive
order at least for my time period and say, yeah, lobbying
is illegal. If you get caught lobbying, you

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get a 5 to 10 year instant sentence.
Because those lobbyists, you know what they do?
The manipulation of our administration.
Let's face it, Congress, for themost part on both sides of the
aisle, I'd be surprised if 10 or15% of them were honest men and
women. I think if we really dug into
their finances and into their personal communication devices

(19:04):
and maybe drug tested them, I'd be surprised if many of them
passed. Maybe some of them would, but I
think it'd be a very small number.
I'd rather go up to their bank accounts.
Yeah, no kidding. No kidding.
I agree with that. Crypto, or actually even
probably their crypto wallets, you know?
Yeah, you never know what's going on nowadays.
Well, of course, they're always looking for a new, easier way to
get access to the foundations, the NGOs, the Super PACs.

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Let's talk about this is a term I was not familiar with.
You know, I have no background in farming clearly.
And, and, but I do know a littlebit, you know, we, we've had
some guests on talking about soil remediation and how we've
ruined the soil and how that's one of the first things that
really needs to be fixed. But it's difficult with the
pesticides that are in the soil.We'll talk about, let's talk
about no till. You wrote a report called

(19:50):
Rethinking No Till and you go into some details about how 93%
of no till acres use herbicides.So maybe kind of explain to the
audience what no till is and kind of give the background and
take us through that a little bit so maybe they can further
understand that term. So no till, just to define it.
First and foremost, it's a farming practice where you

(20:12):
minimize physical disturbance ofthe soil by not tilling or
plowing. In some cases it can lead to
positive outcomes like reduced erosion and other positive
outcomes. But the majority of no tail
farming in our country right nowis implemented in large scale
chemical intensive systems and we wanted to write a report

(20:33):
about that to expose how that isa project of the chemical
industry and how large chemical companies are actually
greenwashing the term regenerative agriculture at
present. So the way that's happened is
that no till, which again is a farming practice, it can be
implemented in truly regenerative systems or not, has

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been lifted up as a key pillar or a key practice of
regenerative agriculture. But what we found in our report
is that the chemical industry has actually been deeply
intertwined with that and they have been pushing chemical
intensive no till since the 1970s.
Imperial Chemical Industries andChevron have both been promoting

(21:14):
no till since for the past 50 years.
And So what we looked at was corn and soy production in the
US and how much of that production is no till since corn
and soy are leading crops. And we found that about 107
million acres of corn and soy are in no till production, no
till or minimum till production.And 93% of those acres at least

(21:37):
are heavily dependent on chemical herbicides like
glyphosate and atrazine that damage soil health, that harm
are harmful to human health, andthat have other devastating
impacts on both the environment and people.
And So what we wanted to do was not to blame farmers for this,
but to lift up how the chemical industry has been involved and

(21:58):
how they've been trying to push chemical intensive no till as
the leading form of regenerativeagriculture.
When we know that truly regenerative agriculture will
actually be done with very limited chemicals, will reduce
the impact of chemicals on people and the environment.
Yeah, it's the the narrative, and I'm not saying they're the

(22:21):
original. There's no doubt that Big AG has
done an amazing job when it comes to controlling narratives,
right? Even corn as an example, it's
been so modified, the pesticidesand of course, it seems like
corn sugar syrup has been just stuck into every possible thing

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you can imagine in any food that's on the shelves.
You start looking at the labels and you're asking yourself,
well, why the hell is that even in here?
And I'm, I'm always concerned, what do you think about the
control of the narrative? They seem do, do you have any
idea? Because I don't know the exact
numbers, every idea what big AG puts into their marketing
campaigns, let alone I know they're always researching ways

(23:04):
to make more money. You know what doesn't matter
whether it's using an industrialwaste product like like like
fluoride as an example. A lot of people hear that word
fluoride and they did that. And the reason I bring that up
is because what a incredible marketing campaign to take a
waste product and make it seem like it was so beneficial.

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What do you think their marketing budget is?
Do you think they put in 50% of their dollars, dollar to the
bottom line or more? That's a great question.
I don't have an exact figure, but all I can say is that it's a
lot. I mean, since glyphosate has
been a larger part of the national conversation recently
and glyphosate, as I think you both know and many of your
listeners probably know, it's the most widely used chemical in

(23:47):
the US. We use millions, hundreds of
millions of pounds every single year.
It's also known as Roundup. And it is linked to a wide
variety of health issues from endocrine disruption to
disruption of the gut microbiome.
Of course, cancers like non Hodgkin's lymphoma, which led
to, you know, over 150,000 lawsuits towards Bayer,
Monsanto, the manufacturer, glyphosate alone, which has

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become a large part of the national conversation.
They've been running the chemical industry, which has
alliance called the Modern AG Alliance.
It's a kind of coalition of industry groups and actors.
They have been putting full pageads in major newspapers every
single day for almost a year, trying to stop, you know, people
from feeling negatively about glyphosate and trying to stop

(24:34):
glyphosate from being regulated and stop government officials
from protecting us from glyphosate.
So that alone is an major advertising expense.
And that doesn't cover TV ads, all the other advertising they
do. And again, that doesn't cover
everything they spend on lobbying.
Like I said, they spend $77 million a year, the chemical
industry on lobbying in DC, which puts them among the top

(24:57):
spenders on political lobbying. So we're seeing a huge push
right now from the chemical industry to keep their products
on the market even as public sentiment grows against them.
Another example of how the chemical industry is spending
money on kind of marketing and lobbying and trying to shape the
world to their desires is they've been trying to pass
these pesticide immunity bills, which I'm not sure if we're

(25:19):
going to bring. Them up it's nice, you know, we
always talk about and George. Wait, I have a question before
you go off. So you were talking about
Roundup, right? Yes, I probably shouldn't have
used the last of my roundup outside.
So what do you recommend to in replacement of roundup?
It's not using roundup. Yes, OK, I get asked this all
the time and especially as a farmer, people are how do you

(25:41):
control weeds on your farm, in your yard?
So I have two recommendations. The 1st is if you really want to
use a chemical or a spray still,I recommend looking for
something that's OMRI certified.OMRI certified, so inorganic
agriculture, there are more than900 pesticides and that are

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prohibited, and OM recertified is an organic adjacent
certification for home and garden pesticides.
So if you find something with the seal that says OMRI, OM
recertified, it's almost definitely better for your
health and environment. It's had to pass much stricter
standards of review to get that certification.
The ingredients are on the National Organic list of

(26:25):
prohibited ingredients, so that's one thing.
The second thing is, of course, I always recommend taking a step
back and thinking about changingyour approach to weed management
and trying mechanical or cultural practices.
Using occultation, using a tarp,using mulch, wood chips.
I use a weed whacker a lot, a hedge trimmer to planting native

(26:45):
species that out compete weeds, regular mowing.
There's all sorts of different things you can do to try to
create a system that doesn't require a chemical spray.
You know what about a? Lot of work, right?
There a lot of weeks. What about?
You're telling me I know. What about the some people I
think suggested salt with some dishwashing soap?

(27:07):
And water. Vinegar too.
Vinegar. What do you think about those
practices? Yes.
No. I don't know anything about the
salt and dish soap, and I'm going to be honest, I am
skeptical off the bat. As far as vinegar, there is, you
know, you can buy agricultural vinegar, which is a extra strong
vinegar. I don't personally use it.
I don't know that much about it,but some people like it.

(27:31):
Got you. Well, everybody's always.
Looking I noticed dish soap theythey used that back in the day
for the tobacco farms. They put it around like a ring
around it to keep those whateverworms on it.
It was in a movie too. I forget the name of the movie,
but that I know it worked for that.
But me, I was talking more like damn weeds.
You know the beds and stuff. Not so much the grass.
Grass is controllable. That's easy.

(27:53):
And just really quickly jump in with some final thoughts about,
you know, home and garden Roundup.
We actually friends with the earth.
One of my colleagues and I, we wrote a report earlier this year
on like the Roundup that is usedfor lawn and garden, like the
type you might have used on youryard, George.
And one thing I want to highlight that's really
disturbing is it used to be glyphosate based.

(28:14):
And glyphosate, as we know, you know, is the most widely used
pesticide in the US. It's linked to cancer.
And then recently, starting lastyear, they began replacing that
with a new formula that now has four different ingredients.
So most of the Roundup you're buying at the store now no
longer has glyphosate, and it's a mix of dicoat, dipromide and a
bunch of other ingredients. And the new formula is actually

(28:36):
46 times more chronically toxic to human health.
And so they've basically replaced their old formula,
which was already toxic, with a new formula that's more toxic.
They've. Improved it.
They've improved it to make us sicker.
That's good. Yes.
And there's no new label. There's no, it looks almost
identical. So you might be a consumer who's

(28:58):
been using Roundup for 20 years and now you're going to the
store, you think you're buying the same product and instead
you're buying something much more toxic.
And what I want to highlight about this is just, I feel like
that shows how much of a bad actor the chemical industry is,
the types of things that they'rewilling to do and the way that
they are willing to sacrifice human health and the environment

(29:19):
for profit to continue keeping their products on the market.
And also just I think, you know,consumers I think should be
educated and be wary about theseproducts.
And really, you know, you shouldbe thinking like, do you want
your kids to be playing in a yard, yard that's been sprayed
with this now new, more toxic roundup?
Do you want your dogs, your petsto be playing in that yard?
Do you want to be exposing yourself as you're spraying?

(29:40):
So I think consumers should takewhatever protect whatever steps
they can to protect themselves, whether that's extra protective
gear or keeping kids and dogs off the lawn or switching to
you. It seems like no matter what you
do, if your house or or what farmers are using your seems
like we're screwed right now, huh I.
Don't know. What I think is incredibly

(30:02):
dangerous is now they want absolute immunity.
Basically they want a complete pass or any liability.
That's what they're trying to get done in Washington, DC.
They're trying to get it so theycan have absolutely no
liability. To.
Farmers, produce or any diseasesit causes.
We'll talk about that when we come back.
Of course, that music means we're going to take a short
break. We'll be back here with George

(30:23):
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As usual, they're up to shenanigans.
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We need to put a stop to it. We'll be right back.
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But do it later because Sarah has a lot of information she
wants to tell you guys. I don't even know where we left
off. Well as I know is Well as I know
is I can't use roundup anymore. I got a lot of weeds and I need

(36:04):
to get a homestead and a wifey to do it for me.
All I know with high speed Internet.
You got to look for a solution for sure.
So or screw. I want to talk about this for a
minute because this isn't the number.
We don't hear this very often. You quantified the emissions
from no till corn and soy. That's equivalent to 11,000,000

(36:26):
cars, which is a lot. Why does it seem like
agriculture when we have climateconversations that seems to
always be excluded? Do you feel like that's an
intentional, controlled narrative that they don't want
to include it for fear that all of a sudden they'll get some
momentum going in the opposite direction of what they're trying
to accomplish? I think that big AG for sure

(36:50):
does not want to and big chemical, you know, sort of hand
in hand don't want to tackle theissue of how agricultural
chemicals in particular are contributing deeply to
greenhouse gas emissions and to climate change in the no till
report. And I want to be clear, this
isn't specific to no till. You could probably do a similar
calculation for any conventionalcorn and soy production.

(37:11):
But we looked just at the emissions related to the
production of the synthetic nitrogen fertilizer used and
just the synthetic herbicides used in no till corn and soy.
And as Lance said, we found thatit was equivalent to around
11,000,000 cars on the road for a year, which ironically is
about the number of cars in the top nine no till states in the

(37:31):
country. So we're looking at a huge
amount of emissions and that's because these fertilizers and
pesticides are derived from fossil fuels.
They're manufactured in fossil fuel intensive processes.
And So what we're really lookingat here is, is fossil fuel
farming. When we look at conventional
farming, that depends heavily onthese chemicals.
It is a form of fossil fuel farming that is deeply damaging

(37:53):
to the climate, and I think thatis another conversation that we
need to have about how the chemical industry and the fossil
fuel industry are using agriculture as a way to continue
to prop up their profits at the expense of not just our health
but also the environment and theclimate.
Well, you'd have to think that if the EPA would allow Bayer to
make a product that's 45 times more toxic than the original, I

(38:17):
mean, usually you would think itwould go in the opposite
direction. You know, my take is probably
runs in line with Elon Musk. And I'm sure George feels the
same way. I you know, it, it, it, it, we
would have probably me laid our government, you know, me laid.
If you remember what he went through, he's like way go fue go
fue go. He was just burning down all the
different agencies. I've always thought that the EP

(38:39):
and the FDA were just a bunch ofbullshit.
I never feel like they really did anything that was
beneficial. Maybe I'm wrong.
What are your thoughts on that? Because you know, when we
started out and they brought in Doge, I was hopeful that we were
going to just start canceling these operations, not just
firing a handful of people. I'm not happy about the FBI in
its current form. I think that most of these

(39:00):
organizations have their charterand what we're told they're
doing isn't even close to it. I think most of them are money
laundering operations in one wayor another.
And at at a minimum, they're ineffective as government
agencies. I've never thought the EPA, the
FDA were worth a shit. A lot of their policies actually
damaged US versus what they weresupposed to do, which was
protect us. What are your thoughts on that,

(39:21):
Sarah? We're in such a, if I could
flag, you know, sort of one thing as the most important
about what's happening right nowon pesticides.
I think we're in a really uniquepolitical moment where we're
seeing kind of momentum across the political spectrum asking
for a healthier food system, healthier environment, getting
chemicals out of our food. What I think is so important to

(39:44):
recognize is that, in my opinion, that depends on kind of
good government policies that actually make that happen, that
rein in the power of corporations and that protect us
from chemicals. The EPA has not provided that
sort of regulation or those sortof policies for many decades.
There was an expose a few years ago where an EPA toxicologist

(40:06):
said it is the unwritten rule that to get a promotion, all
pesticides must pass. And like I said, right now there
are a lot of chemical industry lobbyists working at the EPA.
So what we're seeing is the EPA right now is putting pesticide.
They basically serve the function of just, you know,
permitting every pesticide, registering every pesticide,

(40:27):
just passing chemicals through and sort of letting the
corporations do whatever they want instead of actually
protecting people. So the EPA has utterly failed to
protect people and particularly children from toxic exposure to
pesticides and particularly cumulative exposure.
But I do think that we should. I think we should reform the EPA

(40:49):
and make it serve the people instead of the pesticide
industry, because I do think we depend on some regulations in
order to protect us from pesticides and to kind of
maintain the Commons, our air, our water, our soil, and protect
our health. You know, I think it's always
tricky because I always think that, you know, all these

(41:09):
agencies are so fully corrupted.It's not only from, it's not
only from the top down. There's just so many individuals
within there that have been compromised in one way or
another. And when you look at the
lobbyists or you look at the different industries, they're so
good at manipulating the people that are in there.
And they're also so very good atplacing their own, you know,
their own staff, ex staff members or their own, you know,

(41:33):
supporters within these agencies.
We've seen, you know, just even agencies like the CIA, what an
amazing job they've done in infiltrating social media
companies. So many ex ex CIA work, for
example, inside of Facebook and we saw so much of the narratives
are controlled. It's it's always interesting to

(41:53):
me. But you know you you mentioned a
little earlier about the 45 moretoxic version of bear.
That alone to me is a failure bythe EPAA massive failure.
And then you go into something that I've never heard of these
silent killers. They're and I'm I'm not sure I'm
going to get this pronounced right, but I'm going to try neon
a cotonoids is. That right?

(42:15):
Nicotine needs. OK, All right.
I definitely, I definitely screwed that one up.
Wait, wait, wait. How do you call?
The you can call the neonics forshort.
Neonics. How do you say the word though?
The whole word. Neonicotinoids.
Neonicotinoids. Yeah, I I fucked that all up.
Well, let's let's talk about those because I've never heard

(42:35):
of these before. Here's another thing we've got
to be worried about, probably another thing that Epas sliding
through and sliding into US, youknow, see, that's what I mean.
If the EPA can't do their fucking job, then they ought to
just be closed down. If they can't do the job and of
what they're supposed to do, then why don't we maybe, you
know, get rid of that agency andthen put more pressure on the
FDA to maybe cover this area anddo a better job.

(42:58):
Not that I'm saying the FDA is doing a good job either.
I just feel like, you know, bloated government, just we
continue to spend these inordinate amounts of money and
get nothing for the money. Much of it gets filtered out and
and stolen in my opinion. But let's talk about these for a
minute because I don't think themajority of our audience, I know
I've never heard of these before.
Let's talk about what these are and let's talk about giving

(43:20):
putting the warning on how dangerous they are.
So neonicotinoids are a class ofinsecticide.
They are meant to kill insects. They're one of, I think they're
the most widely used insecticidein US agriculture.
And the most common use of neonicotinoids is actually as
seed coatings. So they come pre coated on corn,

(43:40):
soy and other seeds. And in many industries,
particularly in corn, it is difficult to get seeds that are
not coated with neonicotinoids because of the monopoly that the
pesticide industry holds over seeds.
And they also, you know, want tosell their pesticides.
So they sell these pre coated seeds.
And it's difficult to even get seeds in many areas that aren't
coated with them. What's so disturbing about them

(44:03):
is that they're very persistent in the environment and they kill
beneficial insects like bees andessential pollinators who, you
know, contribute $34 billion to the US economy every year.
They're not just killing quote, UN quote, bad insects.
They're killing good insects like bees as well.
And studies have shown that on average, they actually have very
little benefits to yield or to economics for farmers anyway.

(44:26):
So you're forced to buy these neonicotinoid coated seeds.
You can't get seeds that aren't coated.
These seeds, on average, aren't providing you with much of A
benefit. And then they're killing
beneficial pollinators that actually, you know, are
essential for the resilience of farm systems.
And finally, neonicotinoids haverecently been linked to more and
more health impacts, including birth defects and including

(44:50):
nervous system impacts and endocrine disruption, which is
really disturbing if these are really being, you know, the most
widely used insecticide that's being used across millions of
acres of farmland. And the reason, one reason this
is happening is because the EPA has an exemption.
They don't require seed coatingsto go through the same review

(45:10):
process as other pesticide uses.It's called the treated article
exemption. And that is a really simple fix.
That is something that either Congress or the EPA could easily
reform and say, hey, these seed coatings actually need to go
through the full safety review process.
You can't just slap whatever youwant on a seed and then say it
doesn't need to be studied the same way.

(45:30):
So it's a problem that we reallyneed to address, both for
pollinators and for human health, and another example of
how there's an easy solution right in hand that our
government could take if they weren't catering to the
pesticide industry over people'shealth.
You know, the fact that you havelittle to no choice is
frightening enough. And then for most people, you,
you, you say it so casually because you're very familiar

(45:52):
with it. But for the audience I got, I
got to tell you that without thepollinators, we're basically
fucking dead. I don't think, I don't think the
when you hear that it's actuallykilling pollinators, that alone
should be enough for Congress toimmediately just say, Nope,
sorry, we got to put a dead stopto that.
Until you figure that part out, you can't do it anymore.
But that's the interesting part,because, you know, I, I don't

(46:13):
know if people really recognize how important those pollinators
are because without that, we wouldn't have any food supply.
Food supply would be basically gone and we would die.
There wouldn't be enough food onthe earth you guys can look
into. Of course you guys can say, oh,
well, we'll eat beef. Well, of course, you have to
have pollinators for everything to grow the, the beef eats and
and and and and and so on and soon.

(46:34):
So if you think about something that that that's that dangerous
and yet Congress is too busy arguing.
You know, George, you and I havetalked so many times about it,
how ineffective they were ravingabout how, which we we don't buy
into. Let me let me point that out on
this show. I don't want buy into Republican
Democrat. I think that's all just a bunch
of trash. But you know, they raved US,

(46:56):
George. Oh, we've got control of the
House. We've got control of the Senate
and yet, you know, they are, this may be the most ineffective
Congress in history. I don't think they've
effectively passed much of anything.
They sure aren't, you know, supporting the administration
and they're using the judiciary this time to do their dirty
work. You know, George, I mean, I
don't, I don't see this working any better.

(47:16):
Of course, that's why they can'teven focus on something as
simple as this. It's easy enough to look that if
something's killing pollinators,like, yes, sorry, you guys were
dead stopping that. Don't coat the seeds anymore.
That's done. Well, well, if you're expecting
Congress to get anything done, we're going to be forget about
it because look at how they struggle with this.
Bill, blue boy, we'll just hold our breath.
Yeah, you have to do it on your own.

(47:38):
You can't. You can't rely on government.
Government does what do they do?Well for the people, pretty much
nothing. Nothing.
So you get it done. But I want to say something
because we had a limit Grieving in a chat.
She goes, I, she goes. I also have a poll pollinator
plant, so she gets lots of butterflies, bees and Humber
birds. So I said I'm going to have to
borrow limit where you bring it to my yard, see if that works.

(48:01):
I don't. Know well you can plant lots of
flowers that support pollinators.
You know there's lots of seed mixes you can use in that way.
You're going to say something. So I was just going to say, I
think one of the things that's very frustrating about the
current Congress is a lot of them campaigned or kind of
catered to the Make America Healthy Again crowd or to any

(48:23):
voters across the political spectrum who cared about food
and health by talking about the issues.
And this is something that I think is really important.
They campaigned on it because itwas popular.
But now what we're seeing is kind of an about face and a
failure to deliver. I don't know if you all saw, but
there was, you know, a letter from 79 members of Congress,

(48:43):
they happen to be all Republican, who basically said
they sent a letter to the Maha Commission saying don't take any
action on pesticides. There's nothing wrong with these
products. You know, there's nothing that's
not safe about them. And you know, the people who are
asking for pesticide reform, whoare asking for chemicals out of
our food are misguided and malicious.

(49:05):
And I think that was an. Insulting.
It doesn't surprise me that a bunch of what I'd like to have
those Republicans do is say, OK,well, let's see if that's
credible. How many of you took money from
the pesticide industry or the chemical industry?
How many of you had lobbyists stuff your bank accounts full?
You know, it, it And what this is the the tough part, right?
If we were really going to have Congress, you know, operate

(49:27):
effectively and honestly, they would have to wear patches on
their jackets in the halls of Congress.
And those patches would indicatewho was sponsoring them, just
like NASCAR. So instead of it being a hood,
it would be their jacket. So if they get out and say, oh,
don't the chemicals are safe andthe biggest patch on their
jacket is bare across the back, then you'd know they're full of

(49:47):
shit. The problem is we, we've got,
you know, the, you know, there was something that Ulysses S
Grant said, you know, you know, traders and patriots, right?
At the end of the day, that's what we really have.
We have traders and patriots andI'm not sure how many patriots
we really have, but we mostly have traders.
The majority of Congress has sold itself out for anybody that
thinks that. I'm not saying all of them.

(50:08):
There are some good men and women and there are some that
are in there trying to do the job.
But the amount of money they take from these powerful
companies and then they come outand say, oh, we're going to sign
a letter. To me, it's not surprising that
the Republicans wouldn't matter whether it was Democrats or
Republicans to me that they would sign a letter that fucking
ridiculous when the majority don't even know what they're
talking about. It's not like we're talking

(50:29):
about scientists. We're clearly not even talking
about business people. And we're, and even worse, we're
talking about people that weren't honestly elected, that
were most likely installed because our election system is
not it's, it's compromised, right?
It's not an honest, free and fair election system.
The money usually buys you influence, and the influence

(50:50):
buys you a position of power. So if you've got, you know, if
you're really, really well financed, you're likely to win
in a congressional runoff. Not because you were the best
choice. Not because you were the
brightest and best or the smartest or the most capable,
but because some big lobbyists put a bunch of money in your
pocket or some big super PAC gotbehind you.
And that's why you got elected. And most likely you were chosen

(51:13):
because you were easily manipulatable.
You're the kind of individual that has no integrity or any
morality. And that's why they choose you,
right? That's why you're stuck in
there. It's, it's nice when we see the
opposite of it, but it's very rare, right?
It's a, it's an exception. It's not the rule.
Let's talk about for the audience because we've heard,
you know, the catch, the new catch term is regenerative,

(51:33):
right? You've talked about regenerative
versus organic and even organic a lot of people question, you
know, we've heard the stories about people using the organic
label, but they're really not organic.
And a lot of that's got to do with enforcement that they've
got. They seem to become very
flexible, kind of take us through that and where you kind
of think that's going on. And maybe also talk about green

(51:54):
washing in the food system. That's another term I wasn't
familiar with. Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, so organic is one of ourkind of proven solutions to
pesticide use because it is backed by a rigorous legal
standard. It's been around for decades.
And organic prohibits, you know,more than 900 synthetic
pesticides that are allowed in conventional agriculture, and it

(52:16):
prohibits synthetic fertilizer. And there's a whole suite of
other requirements in organic toprotect the soil, to, you know,
take care of the land, all of those things.
And what we find is that when westudy people who eat a
conventional diet and then if weput them in on an organic diet
for two weeks, pesticide levels in their bodies drop, drop up to

(52:38):
95% in just two weeks from eating an all organic diet.
So it's one of the most proven ways, like the most clear and
comprehensive ways to protect people from pesticide exposure.
Now, organic isn't perfect. No, none of these kind of labels
or regulatory programs are perfect, but it is sort of the
best that we have at the moment because it is backed by a clear

(53:00):
rigorous legal standard. It's constantly being updated
and improved and there's decadesof peer reviewed research
showing that it reduces chemicalexposure, that it, you know, is
better for soil health that it has, that organic soils have
improved water holding capacity,that it supports more
biodiversity. Organic farms have 50% more
wildlife on average than conventional farms.

(53:24):
So there's a lot of data backingup.
Organic regenerative is also really cool, but the problem is
it is a huge spectrum. The regenerative label doesn't
have one clear set definition. That's why they agreed upon so,
so, you know, a chemical companylike Bayer or Syngenta can slap
the label regenerative on a conventional chemical intensive

(53:47):
commodity crop farm and someone can put the label regenerative
on, you know, the best, most sustainable, healthiest, you
know, perfect farm out there. So we're looking at a broad
spectrum without a lot of quality control.
And I think there are organizations that are starting
to address that. But the influence of the
pesticide industry in the regenerative space right now is

(54:08):
very heavy and there's a lot of chemical industry influence and
there are very much greenwashingand Co opting the regenerative
label. Even though there's a lot of
people out there with great intentions who are doing great
truly regenerative agriculture, we also have the chemical
industry interfering. So I would say, you know, the
organic standards, again, they're not perfect, and the

(54:29):
organic community is consistently working to improve
them. And I think that's important.
We should continue to tighten them to crack down on fraud, to
crack down on particularly organic import fraud, to invest
in domestic organic production so we don't have to import so
much of our organic food from abroad.
And then also we need to do somework to tighten up regenerative

(54:51):
and make sure that the chemical industry isn't able to greenwash
it. You know, there's a guy's name
that's shown up within lots of discussions about our food
supply. I don't particularly like him.
I don't particularly trust him. In fact, he kind of makes my
skin crawl. Bill Gates, his name's come up
over and over again. Clearly his involvement in the

(55:12):
food industry doesn't seem to bebased on trying to help or she's
wanted to come out and he and he's doing so creating products
that are pre vaccinated productslike appeal I believe is one of
his. Do you have any thoughts on Bill
Gates? Because to me it often seems
that when people get large amounts of capital, they end up

(55:36):
sticking their fucking noses in places they shouldn't be
involved in. Bill Gates seems to be one of
them and and I'm not very happy that the fact that he hasn't
faced any consequences for his 27 trips to Epstein Island.
I guess I should say a. Lot.
No one's faced any consequences for going there.
Whatever happened to the absentee files?
We never even got that either. Yeah.

(55:56):
You got any thoughts? Because we see this a lot.
We see people that all of a sudden, you know, he's he.
I think he's what Isn't he the largest owner of farmland now in
the United States? I think something to that point.
Yeah. I mean, maybe it's a product of
just the particular things that I work on and the particular
spaces that I work in. But I feel like my number one

(56:18):
enemy is just the pesticide industry and I'm kind of laser
focused on them. And I haven't really dealt had
to deal with like any issues with Bill Gates very much.
I mean, I just feel like the pesticide industries are real
kind of enemy. Bear, Syngenta, BASF, Cordtiba,
the four companies that control the vast majority of seeds,
agricultural technology and agricultural chemicals in this

(56:40):
country. And the things they're trying to
do, like pass immunity bills to shield themselves from legal
liability in states around the country, the way they're trying
to pass a federal law to preventlike local States and cities
from passing their own pesticiderestrictions and protecting
people from chemicals. Those are just the things I'm
most concerned about. Yeah, of course.
You know, I just didn't know if you came across.

(57:00):
Let's talk about what works and what doesn't work.
Let's talk about, I know you've pressured ConAgra quite a bit.
You know, we talked about accountability.
What kind of accountability doeswork?
Because to me, that's the biggest flaw, right There isn't.
And now they want to give themselves an additional layer,
I mean, to pull themselves out of a situation where they could
be harming people and say, Oh yeah, sorry, can't litigate
against us. We have a we have a safety

(57:22):
shield, a safety net. Let's talk about that a little
bit. Yeah, I mean, Friends of the
Earth organization I work for, one of the reasons I love
working for them is because we're a non partisan
organization and our goal is to pretty much hold everyone and
anyone accountable, whether they're a corporation or a
politician, regardless of their political affiliation.
We are willing to kind of call out and take on anyone no matter

(57:44):
how much power they have and no matter, you know, which side of
the political spectrum they're on.
So we, you know, I campaign against major organizations.
You mentioned ConAgra, who's a major food manufacturer, against
Fair and Syngenta, major pesticide companies against
Target and Kroger, major food retailers, anyone who has a lot
of power in the food space, and then also against politicians on

(58:06):
both sides of the aisle. So right now, you know, we're
really focused on holding the current administration and
Congress accountable because we don't think that they're moving
in a direction that is, you know, beneficial for protecting
people from exposure to toxic pesticides.
I mean. Has any administration done it?
No, I mean, we've seen kind of failure for decades on this

(58:28):
issue. And I think that's why people
are so fed up across the political spectrum.
It doesn't seem to matter who's in office.
We're not seeing the action thatwe need on pesticides.
We have a few champions. Cory Booker comes to mind as
someone who continuously is trying to introduce bills that
will actually address pesticide use, but not a lot.

(58:49):
And I mean, right now what we'reso concerned about is a lot of
the things that, you know, actually were some programs that
we're doing a limited amount of good are being cut.
And then there are other things being implemented that are
making the problem worse. Like for example, one program
that has near universal support across the political spectrum is

(59:09):
the Local Food for Schools program, which helps connect
schools to local farms, usually organic and truly regenerative
farms, and then sell that food to schools so that kids have
access to healthy, fresh, unprocessed foods.
That's usually lower in toxic chemical residues and it also,
you know, boost local economies and helps local farmers and

(59:31):
local businesses. And then the administration cut
$600 million from that program. I understand cutting wasteful
spending, but to on the one hand, be trying to pass the
budget reconciliation bill, which increases spending for
chemical intensive commodity crops by $30 billion and then to
cut $600 million from a tiny, you know, local food for schools

(59:54):
program that helps kids all across the country access fresh
food and helps local farmers. It just doesn't make sense to
me. And I think this administration
hasn't delivered so far on what voters were hoping for when they
thought that they were kind of, you know, people really want to
see reform on food health, not. The administration, it's, it's
Congress, it's not delivering. It's no matter what you have on

(01:00:14):
both sides, it's you know, they're, we call it the UNI
party. They unless it benefits them
personally or for their agendas,it's hard to get stuff done
actually for the people's. I mean, there's only so much any
president can do. They can, you know, voice their
opinion and get out there. But it's ultimately it's
Congress is the ones that pass the laws and they suck at it,
both of them. You know, and at the end of the

(01:00:36):
day, when, when you, when you have corrupt people, corruption
is one of those things that whenyou allow it to continue, people
just get bolder in their corruptactions, right?
So with no consequences, you know, it doesn't matter whether
it's something as simple as insider trading, doesn't matter
whether it's taking, you know, dark money or foreign money or

(01:00:57):
super PAC money. Once you start, you're
compromised. And I think that many of our
agencies have intentionally compromised people.
For example, if you look at the Epstein files, there's lots of
high level people that were probably compromised through
that process 'cause that was a bribery, extortion and a
blackmail system. I don't think Jeffrey Epstein

(01:01:18):
ever made a legitimate dollar. I think that his operation was
funded and organized by the Mossad, and then I believe he
was a dual agent and then he provided resources to the CIA
and others. When you take compromised
individuals, whether they're in the judiciary or they're in
Congress, once they start to take the money, it doesn't, the
spigot doesn't turn off because now they're caught.

(01:01:40):
And I think the difficulty comesis that, for example, the
Russian collusion hoax, we should have, we should already
see The Dirty 51 + 8 already have been arrested because that
would be considered treason and seditious conspiracy, right?
The fact that they lied to the American public, they fabricated
the Steele dossier. If you and I did that, we would

(01:02:02):
already be in jail. We would be in prison right now
either waiting trial or we've already been run through the
system very rapidly. And I think that in the, in the
situation when you have these large conglomerates that are
funneling in massive amounts of money to manipulate Congress,
right? And, and the Congress is doing
it willingly. It's not like they've been
tricked into it. They know they're taking money

(01:02:23):
from Bayer or Con Agra or whoever else, but they do it
because there's nothing to stop them from doing it.
It's kind of like having a somebody working on your farm
that's stealing from you. They steal a Bush of apples the
first day and they don't get caught.
And then the next day, maybe they steal 2 bushels and they
steal 3 bushels, and by the end of the month, they're still in a
truckload and they're making quite a bit of money off of you

(01:02:44):
if you don't catch them. They're empowered.
They're enabled. And it's the same thing with our
congressional members. It doesn't really stop.
So even if if, and again, I'm not telling you that Donald
Trump is on top of the issue when it comes to agricultural
products, I'd be surprised if hewas, but because it's not really
in his wheelhouse. I thought we thought Kennedy
was, I mean, but he's, he's. Kennedy is, but he's slowly.

(01:03:06):
Working on it, yeah. You look at how much he's got to
try to accomplish. I mean, just the vaccines alone
is such a major problem, right? He, you know, and again and he's
and he's put a lot of great people around him.
But when you have an ineffectiveand intentionally corrupt
Congress, it makes it extremely difficult.
And now they've weaponized the judiciary in a way that every

(01:03:29):
time you do try to get somethingdone, even when it comes to the
immigration issues. Yeah, and.
Then like like what you said, Sarah, then then you take
something the big beautiful bill.
I don't think it's I don't thinkyou can take big and beautiful
and combine those in a bill. That's one of our biggest
problems writing administration because there's so much pork

(01:03:50):
barrel legislation, so many hidden agendas in these bills.
I mean, who the Hell's going to read a four or 5000 page 10,
1000 page bill? Nobody.
And that's the problem. So much shit gets hidden in
there. And then maybe on top of it,
good programs get harvested because maybe by cleaning out a
good program, it makes it looks like they got something done,
but really realize all they're doing is damaging people because

(01:04:12):
maybe that good program was actually helpful.
I mean, think about it. Doge uncovered $4.7 trillion in
illegitimate spending. There's 14 magic money computers
so far that were not hooked to the system and don't require a
code where I can simply send youa payment just by plugging your
name in and nothing else. You're not a lying on them in

(01:04:35):
the Congressional Budget. How about the zombie
organizations, organizations that were, you know, were in
existence, you know, years and years and years ago had never
been voted on again. But they can send can you can
receive a budget and nobody evenknows where that money went.
I mean, look at Chelsea Clinton,She got $84 million from USAID
and nobody can figure out why she got it.

(01:04:57):
To me, that's criminal. That's stealing from the
American public. How come she hasn't been
arrested? And I, I only use her as an
example. And I think that's where it's
tricky. Even social media, I would bet
that if we analyze the spending of ConAgra, Baer and many
others, I'd like to see what their budget is for paying
social media influencers or in fact running bot accounts,

(01:05:18):
running social media influencersor social media accounts to run
opposition of any negative publicity.
I'd like to see that part of their budget because to me
that's that in itself is is is acrime because those there's
specific laws from the FTC and FCC that say that you have to
disclose that. Do you have any idea what
they're spending on social mediaposting?

(01:05:40):
I don't, I don't know if you canget that information because
they keep a lot of stuff confidential as much as they
can. And I think the thing that
you're saying that I, I really agree with and that resonates
with me a lot. It's just there is no
accountability right now for people with power, whether we're
talking about corporations or politicians, like you said,
they're not being held accountable.
They're not being held to the same standard as you and I.

(01:06:02):
If we commit a crime, you get punished.
If they commit a crime, they just get to keep committing it.
And I think that actually goes back to the pesticide immunity
bills which we had briefly mentioned earlier, which is the
pesticide industry's been tryingto pass state level bills across
the country that would give themtotal legal immunity from any
harms they cause. So basically if you're, if you

(01:06:24):
living in that state, if you're exposed to a pesticide product
and then you get cancer and there was no warning on that
bottle, you can't then sue that company and say you gave me
cancer without warning. They want total legal immunity
from lawsuits like that. So they want to operate in a
space where they can do as much harm as they want and not Yeah,
it is, even though they're barely held accountable.

(01:06:46):
Now they're like, we need even more, Yeah.
They're asking them, and that's the problem, right?
Because the, you know, having all those Republicans sign that
letter just shows what a bunch of scumbags they are because
they're signing something and they're talking about an
industry that they probably knowvery little about.
If we gave them a test, if we gave them a 15 question test
about that industry, I would be,I'd, I'd venture to say 90% of

(01:07:08):
them would fail. But they don't really know
what's going on. But let's, let's try to do this
for the audience, I guess what kind of gives you some hope.
And maybe let's also give our audience some homework, maybe a
call to action of what they can do and why it's important.
Maybe they do it. I mean, the number one thing
that gives me hope is just that I think we're seeing an
incredible amount of momentum right now around pesticides,

(01:07:31):
around toxic exposure, around healthy food and healthy
farming. And I think that that momentum
is really promising. I think that if we can turn that
momentum into action, we can leverage enough pressure over
our politicians and corporationsto kind of force them to be less
corrupt and to prioritize us over, you know, pesticide
industry profits. I think, you know, between the

(01:07:53):
Make America Healthy Again movement and all the many other
people who have been working on this issue for decades, we're
seeing kind of an upswelling conversation around it that we
haven't seen in years. That's exciting.
And I think the more people who can be involved in that and kind
of push that momentum forward, the better.
I think the number one thing that people can do is call your

(01:08:14):
member of Congress and your senators.
Call them now and tell them thatyou want them to take action on
pesticides, That you don't want legal immunity for pesticide
companies. That you don't want pre emption,
which means you think States andcities should have the right to
pass their own pesticide restrictions.
That you want chemical industry lobbyists out of the EPA.

(01:08:35):
That you want the chemical lobbyto stop influencing Congress.
That you want to see investmentsin organic and truly
regenerative agriculture. That you want to see support for
farmers to transition away from chemicals instead of policies
that lock farmers into chemical intensive production.
So I think people need to be calling their members of
Congress now and saying, hey, like in these bills you're

(01:08:55):
trying to pass the big beautifulbill in appropriations, in the
farm bill that's hopefully coming out next year if
possible, that you want to see real action on this, you want to
see real change that you want chemicals out of your food.
Definitely. So let's do this.
Let's do this shameless plug here, you know, tell them about

(01:09:17):
your websites, tell them about your social media where they can
find you. Maybe follow with what you're
working on and how people can get involved through those
sites. Yeah, absolutely.
So you can follow me and Friendsof the Earth at foe.org.
Luckily, it's a simple website, foe.org, and we're also on
social media as Friends of the Earth US or Friends of the Earth

(01:09:38):
Action across all platforms, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter,
Facebook, Blue Sky, I think that's all of them.
So you can either find us as friends of the Earth US or
friends of the Earth Action. And you can follow our work to
fight for a healthier food system and to get the influence
of Big AG out of our politics. All right, Sarah Starman,

(01:10:00):
appreciate you joining the show today and thank you so very much
for that important information. But you know, you guys can't sit
on your asses and expect everybody else to do it for you.
If you want to fix this is goingto take action on your part,
you've got to make the same effort that the rest of us are.
We try to educate here, but takethis education and maybe do
something about it because if they keep this up, I can tell
you this, you may find yourself getting sicker and sicker.

(01:10:23):
You're sure as hell not going toget healthier.
And that's what longevity is about, right?
Better quality of life. And that is not what these
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Y'all have a blessed day. We'll catch you tomorrow 11 AM.
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