Uncaged Host w/ Controversial Patriot Ret. MLB Closer John Rocker |EP654

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All men are created equal, that they are endowed by their
Creator with certain unalienablerights.
By Liberty. If liberty means anything at
all, it means right to tell people what they do not want

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Welcome back to the big, big SHOW.
Of course, I'm your host, Lance Miliaccio with my Co host George
Ballantine. Rise and grind, tip of the
spear, edge of the knife. You know how we do it on this
show. Cause of course, you know, if
liberty means anything at all, means the right to tell people
what they do not want to hear. And that's what we plan to do
each and every episode. If you're joining us for the
first time, you know, the plan is to educate and unify the

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country because on this show, nobody's safe.
We go after both sides of the aisle because again, there's
only two teams, traders and Patriots.
George Ballantine, what's up, bro?
How was your weekend, man? How's it going?
My weekend was actually pretty good.
You know, it was good. A lot of good games this
weekend, to be honest. You know, good games between
football and baseball. Yankees took two out of the

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three in Boston. That's good.
I'm happy with that. At least I didn't get killed.
My team, Giants lost. They suck.
But a lot of good games, close games and everything.
It was good, though. Giant they went into overtime.
Alabama had a game the other dayI didn't see.
How did they do? They kicked ass.
They did good. It's good.
It's good. You got to be feeling.
Yeah they did good. Georgia almost lost.

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They should have the kicker 3 seconds left and the other team
blew to field goal so he went toovertime.
They end up losing Georgia one. All right, well, let's thank one
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this show, we always believe it's better to be a warrior in a
garden than a gardener in a war.We're joined by a great guy.
I'm excited about this because I've followed him for a long
time. I've always watched his post.
I love how outspoken he is. Of course, you know, as a New
Yorker and George, George, myself, kind of a couple of New

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York boys, we like people that speak what's on their mind, that
they don't sugarcoat it, they don't hold back.
Of course, I'm talking about John Rocker.
He's back in the the green room.George referred to it as the
bullpen for the day for a numberof reasons.
You guys know why this guy's fiery, right?
He's a former MLB. They may not know why
everybody's a baseball fan. He's a relief pitcher.

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Yeah, well, he he was a closer with a crazy, blazingly fast 98
mile per hour fastball. That was in the late 90s.
However, Lance, I will say his closing abilities did not work
well for him in 1999. Oh, no, you're you're taking a
pick at the Pennant. That's ugly.
George, let me tell you something.
John will take that personal. I know he will come out of that

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bullpen. He may come after you for that.
But Sir, here's the deal. But this guy's brought.
He's filtered. He did good.
He he brought the He 19. He they want to see the Pennant
in 1998 with him. So you got a ring there?
No, I think it was 99 was the Pennant winning series season
for him, wasn't it? I hope I have that right.
Well, he's going to straighten us out to make sure.

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I'm pretty sure he won in 99, but he had an interview in 99
with Sports Illustrated where hereally spoke his mind.
It was raw and filtered. I thought it was a great
interview, but of course he tooksome He took.
He's probably one of the first guys to really deal with cancel
culture. I think it was early on when
when they came after him and they wouldn't have him for a lot
of reasons. But I but I love the way he's

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come on social media. He's always said exactly what's
on his mind and we're going to talk about some of his career,
but we're also going to talk about current events because
he's had some posts that have gone really vital as of late,
some stuff about Charlie Kirk and otherwise.
Let's bring him in. There's no reason to leave him
backstage. I'm sure he's going to want to
take a shot at George early out of the gate and I and I would
support him in that. Sometimes you have to take the
shot if it's clean. All right, John Rocker, man,

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thanks for coming to the game. Welcome him.
Welcome to the big, big show, John Rocker.
I just had to set my alarm when we didn't wake me up again.
Yeah, yeah, that intro took a while.
Guys, guys, do your show prep. That's all I got to say.
Your show Prep 99. Yeah, I knew it was 99.

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No, you said 98. It was 99.
Yeah, we. Got 9098.
We got beat by the Padres, the NLCS.
Yeah, yeah, they, they, they gotNLCS.
Exactly so. They they actually had it right.
Yankees got them four straight. That was back in a in a year.
What was it, 98992000? The Yankees won ten straight
World Series games, I think. Yeah, yeah.

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Unbelievable. That team, that team.
Was Oh yeah, wait, you got sweptin.
You got swept four O 99. Yeah, and the Padres got swept
in 98 Yankees beat. I'm sorry you won in in 2021.
My bad. Yeah, yeah, many, many, many
years later. That was old and broke down.
You won, though. Yeah, that's what he did.
Yeah. The Yankees played Arizona, I

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believe it was Arizona next yearwas the Mets next year and won
the 1st 2. At one point in time, the
Yankees won 10 consecutive WorldSeries games.
That that might be one of the best teams in in in the history
of baseball, one of the unbelievable staff they had.
OK, that. Was that that was crazy.
It really went in for that for obviously for the we all grew up
as Yankees fans. I don't know.
I couldn't tell. I always, I always questioned

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giving a bunch of drunk people bats on bat day.
I was never sure about that but.I know I'll tell you a quick a
quick aside. So you've been to Yankee Stadium
a number of times, I'm assuming?Yeah, maybe once or twice.
I am I pitching in in janky Stadium or what?
What year it was. Look back and check the runner a
second. I see Andrew Jones sprinting in

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from center fields. This is like, this is like live
game action. I'm like the hell, I'll step
off. Andrew runs up to the second
base umpire system saying that everybody off the field like the
fuck is going on here getting dugout.
Umpire's talking to Bob. Yeah, there was Bleacher
Creatures in centerfield, the centerfield bleachers Yanks.
They throwing bored darts at Andrew Jones darts.

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Oh no. Do you play darts with the lawn?
Darts. The big lawn dart.
Oh yeah. There, there, there.
That's. Those are your pythons, right
there. Those are your pythons.
Yeah, you know, there, there's no doubt.
My, my, what might have been you?
Yeah, you know, I never threw any lawn darts in anybody.
We might have thrown some trash on the field.
A different talk. I can say with 100% certainty

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was never me because I never satin the bleachers so.
I'm putting too much, too much money in there for the
bleachers, yeah. Yeah, you know, George might
have. Been what was the one year was I
can't believe it was there Shay the private mission was a can a
canned good like like a canned yeah that was shade wife and.
Shade did that. Yeah.
You want, you want you all. You want those animals, those

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monsters coming here for a 900 cent can of beans.
Yeah. Yeah, it was.
It was. Crazy, you know that?
How much it? Was a crazy crowd back then, you
know it's. Changed.
Well thought out, not a well thought out promo.
Yeah, the, the, the ground is still pretty animated.
But of course, you know, back then, I don't know, things have
changed, you know, you know, even Major League sports, it
just seems so different now. There's so many things

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politicized about it, but I wantto go back a little bit with
you. I was, I looked at some of your
history here. You know, first you grew up in
Georgia, but you threw three no hitters.
I hope I have that right in highschool.
Yeah, something like that. I mean, that's, that's, that's,
that's crazy for a high school ball.
Ball high school hitters there, they're tough.
And you were drafted by the Braves straight out of high
school, correct? I was I was supposed to.

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I noticed you you guys brought up some some Georgia football a
few minutes ago. I'm a drunk, obnoxious Georgia
fan. I was supposed to play college.
My college baseball there gave the gave the scholarship back
when but I started my career with Atlanta.
Did you ever have a what if moment?
Did you ever think maybe that was a good or bad decision?
A couple of hours ago. Yeah, a couple hours ago, as a

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matter of fact. Wait, are you a Dogs fan?
Drunk, obnoxious Roll Tide 24/7,baby.
Yeah, I know I'm not allowed to swear on the shell.
I am right. Blame Evan and.
Evan set you up for that? I always want to check, you
know, and make sure the FCC is not going to fucking fucking
hand me together. No, no, you, we we go all in on

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this show. You pretty much there's it's
since we're on rumble, we've already been suspended on
YouTube multiple times. Since we're on Rumble, we pretty
much say whatever the hell we want.
YouTube has never been a huge fan of this show.
For sure. We've had our fallouts with
them. Of course, all we ever did was
post the truth, but you know howthat is.
They don't always like the truthover.
There Oh you, you YouTube, you know controlled by the like

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controlled by the libs. So yeah, so let.
Me ask you about your rookie year.
Do you have any stories you haven't shared yet?
I know you, you know, and, and obviously you authored quite a
few of your stories, but anything behind the scenes that
happened to your rookie year that was pretty funny or that
you were never really mentioned before?
You know, rookie year has been 27 years ago.

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Jesus Christ. You know, I won't say anything
funny. I will tell you probably one of
the funniest stories I've got. You guys are obviously a fan of
Jim Tommy. Yeah, one of the most beautiful
guys ever played with. Jim Tommy.
Yeah. This is my first year in

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Cleveland. This is my rookie year in
Cleveland. If we want to focus on rookie
years, Jim, Baby Huey, the guy'sgot ankles for wrist.
You know, that was back the steroid era.
Jim was absolutely naughty. Steroid guy was just country
bucking strong and it's August dog days.
We're all dragging ass. And you know, I was, I was a
guy, you know, I did. I've had to keep it with the

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Joneses. I'm not going to walk into a
knife gunfight with a knife. So it was me, Jim, Tommy, Travis
Fryman and Russell Brandian in the the clubhouse in Cleveland
in dog days. We're all dragging asses, you
know, 101 degrees every freakingday and walk up on a
conversation where Travis Frymanis talking to Jim about creatine

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chips like 3132 had never heard about creatine.
Like Jimmy, you've been in the big league for 10 years.
You know what creatine is. All right, Jimmy, whatever.
And so they're sitting there listening to Travis.
He was something a guy, but he was and Travis is not a steroid
guy either. Was Brandon just was just clear
the air on that. Listen to Travis tell Jim about

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creating. He was like a 13 year old boy
hearing about sex for the first time.
I mean, Jim was like, Oh yeah, Ineed I need some of that.
Oh yeah, they're like, hey, don't do this, don't do that.
And he was like, yeah, but I need some.
I need some of that. Yeah, go do some.
I'm just some of that. Travis finishes off his
instruction with Jim. Make sure if you take creating
Jim, make sure you hydrate. I shit you not, Jim's next time

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was where can I get some of thathydrate at?
Oh no. That was Jimmy's comment.
We all believe he does with justgot to walk away like that's
enough. Too, you know some of.
Those guys in a country. Strong, though, you have to give
me credit, right? Hold on John, move back to your
left because you're cutting yourhalf yourself off there.
So they want they want to see your beautiful mug.

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Yeah. Why?
But they don't look look real hard.
It is interesting when you meet a country strong athlete.
You know, there was a couple of guys, I remember I was, I was a
government contractor at one point and there's a couple of
guys that you could just see. These guys were burly from the
get go. They probably came out like a 12
LB baby, you know what I mean? They were just burly.
They didn't. Need a lot of help in the 4th
grade. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I used everything, of course, always.
I used every performance enhancing drug I could get my
hands on. They did a bunch of.
Look how well. They worked for you.
You. Know.
Yeah, look what it did for my hand.
Yeah, you used to be endorsed, should be endorsing Winstrol on
your show here. Exactly.
Maybe some anavar, some deca, you know, go go, Maybe, maybe.
A What's the worst thing now? Stack.

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You know the worst thing now I turned 51 in a month, which is,
which is depressing, you know? So yeah, I tell people now I've
got to take the the TRT just stop for replacement therapy,
yada yada, a 34 year old girlfriend and yeah, she's not
going to have any, any slip UPS in in in a certain room of the
house. Hopefully, hopefully you're,
you're bringing the game there. Yeah, so now I say I used to

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take steroids so I can play better.
Now I think just so I can get a boner.
That's that's why I take them just like just so I can.
Get a boner. Well, it's still performance
enhancing. It's just a different kind of
performance. John, we don't, we don't want
you. We don't want your reputation to
be ruined in the city. What did it?
What did it give me to sypenate?And, and in fact, good because
she's more forgiving than commissioner is because she
doesn't drug test me or anything.
So yeah, of. Course I like to.

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Say no, But this is all me. This is all me you.
Don't have to carry around any fake urine with you, so maybe
just in case you have to. Yeah, or, or, or drink tons of
apple cider vinegar. Like the day of or any other
test. You have to choke.
Choke. You have some apple cider
vinegar, which tastes disgusting, by the way.
It's awful. Yeah, yeah.
What did? It's fine.
What did it give? You you cipinate.
I I I switched back more cipinate and I think.

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I want to give you both. What do you think?
How many makes a week? Back and forth what 1 milligram
a week, 250? Yeah.
Yeah, it gives you back your energy and everything too.
It's not, I mean. Oh it definitely does it letting
you pencil for sure. Yeah, my, my wife is an IFBB
bikini competitor, pro pro. And you know, of course the the

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performance enhanced drugs are still pretty prevalent in all
divisions. Is he?
Is he currently active? Yeah, she is.
She's actually, she's got a showcoming up, I think in another 60
or 90 days. But.
She's she's going to be doing probably at this point Masters,
although she competes and opens,she's taking some seconds.
She's just never taken a first which you need the 1st to get to
the Olympia, but she's got a pretty.

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I've been all I I dated a girl named Alicia Marie for about
three 3 1/2 years, black girl and for four years the media
said it was a publicity stunt. She, she actually lived, lived
in New York. She lived at night, Chelsea.
That's a long publicity run for you, yeah.
So I kept saying, yeah, this is this is a, you know, a hell of
an effort just trying to fool you fucking clowns.
But if she she got her pro card at at the Arnold I think where

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she got her pro card. Yeah, that's a tough, that's a
tough show. The Arnold's no joke.
You really? Yeah, she got her card, you
know, but that's, that's a hard life.
I'll say hard life, but you know, a lot of these a lot of
these folks though that you knowown in season offseason and
they'll blow a whole bit, you know, gain 1015 lbs during the
winter. I mean she's stuck to her diet
24/7 365. I mean you can really pressing

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on the side of 11 Aldens and like how do you do this shit
too? But.
I want to tell you something. It's really like that.
And the problem is the science is also constantly changing.
I remember when creatine first came out and that was a game
changer. Of course there was Andrew
Stenodine and there was lots of other products out there that
different people use that, you know, and then of course, and
they put a ban on it and it was growth hormone.

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But it's interesting how the technology has changed so much.
The peptides now have taken a key position.
Along that, have you ever have you ever tried tharms?
You know, I haven't, but I've tried some other ones.
I've got a bad shoulder. I what?
Is it? What's it called?
Tharms. Self anded and regulating
modulators. I don't exactly actually though

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what the hell that means. But when I was training for that
celebrity fight, that non fight with Pat Mahone senior my I got
a dear friend of mine Atlanta that owns 5 rejuvenation clinics
and he hooked me up. He said about a $5000 care
package of just any things you want and there was 5 sarms in
there. I mean an anabolic without the

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side effects and come on gettingyour ass shredded holy shit.
I was down about maybe 8% body fat and it's.
And it's really unbelievable really at the end of the day how
the industry's constantly changes.
Even now. I saw another one of peptide the
other, I think it's NA 931. It was yeah.

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The the now they're blending them, you know, where they can
actually get muscle gain. You don't lose, you can lose
fat, you know, so the science isconstantly transitioning and
that's tough enough to keep on top of it.
But I want to talk about the 99 season you you racked up I think
38 saves and of course the. Brace Storm the World Series man
playoffs saves out. Well, it was, it was a big year

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for you, of course. Did you have a, let me ask you,
a lot of guys, dude, did you have a pregame ritual at all?
Anything that you used to do or anything that you had that maybe
you were a little superstitious.Same pair of socks or I had to
eat 4 Nutter butters in the first inning and a banana in the
fifth. There we go.
And we didn't have Nutter Butters at the clubhouse.
One of the clubies was going to the store and get me some Nutter

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Butters and I'll pay you 50 bucks and get me 4 packs of
Nutter Butters. One pack for every day, every
every day in the six. And that was the trick.
What was the fun? Did you have anybody that did a
pre game ritual? What was the craziest pre game
ritual that you became aware of?Anything.
Nothing 2 nuts. Yeah, that nothing, nothing that
would live is like, like show worthy.

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Like, what the Hell's that guy thinking?
Yeah, I remember it was a Turk Wendell.
He used to leap over the over the baseline on his way to and
from the dugout that was, you know, live, you know, nothing
really comes, you know, of course, guys doing ridiculous
shit on a daily basis. But something.
Well, all right, this, this, I don't know if this I guess we'll

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call for pregame ritual. Then we spoke off off air.
My, my podcast, the uncased JohnWalker podcast.
We're in our 6th episode and I'mI'm filming again this week.
We always shoot about four or five shows at a time.
I'm filming again this week withPete Rose Junior.
I've known Pete for 20 plus years and I played with Pete

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once, one of all Puerto Rico andonce when I was rehabbing my
busted shoulder for the Long Island ducks down centralized.
It was like 213 off the off the LIE.
Yeah. So anyway, so we had a a female
trainer, her name was Dottie andwe loved.
Again. And John, you're off to the side
there. OK, man, it's all right.

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It's all good. So anyway, so I call it a
ritual. I'm not really sure, but he he
did it every day. And there's certain things that
you do that are funny. If you do them one time, it's
pretty fucking funny. If you do them every day, it
gets really, really funny. Like, like the, the redundancy
you see sometimes in Family Guy,the, the, the jokes the writers
write where it's just over and over and the more it's done, the

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funnier it gets. So Pete Rose Junior, like I
said, we had a female trainer. Her name was Dottie.
Dottie was a bit heavy set and we used to fuck with Dottie
relentlessly. And this was a good sport.
We would fart on her, white boogers on her.
I mean, we just did what, what, what degenerate 30 year old ball
players do what we've been doingour whole lives.

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You know you you when when you, you, you get in a pro ball. 18
years old. Great form of years 18 about 25.
And when you're being raised by a bunch of other type Aida
generous, you come out kind of fucked up when you're done
playing you just too. So anyway, so Pete Rose junior
was a huge, I'm assuming still this Star Wars thing.

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And that was back when all that new new Star Wars trilogy stuff
was was coming out, you know, sohe was back and then watching
Star Wars and all that. So he had a Darth Vader mask and
he would always be coming from for batting practice.
He would go shower after BP before the game every single
day. So the clubhouse is here,
shower's here, training room right in the middle with one big

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like 8 foot wide doorways. Pete Junior does not have the
best body. In fact, his body's pretty bad.
Ginger freckles, little tuffs ofred hair on his nipples and
whatnot. He would, he would put his Darth
Vader mask on. Do it one time.
It's funny. Well, that one time, but he did
this every single fucking day. His shower shoes would carry his

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towel put his Darth Vader mask on what was little chubby body
pass Dottie in the training roomturn to to to to to Dottie go
Dottie, I am your father. He pulled the shower, did it
every single day, just full. That's.
Bordering. On.
That is bordering on creepy. One time was funny, multiple

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times might be creepy. But I would not be laughing
about it this much else He did like 100 straight days.
Yeah, that that makes it. Well, he was committed.
He was committed to the project.He was all the way in.
You can't blame him. Makes it legendary every day.
Hey what time is it? It must be 458.
He just gave Dottie full front of his Darth Vader mask on.
Yeah. Every day, same time.

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And you guys are known for your pranks.
You know, of course, Major League sports in general,
everybody's got some of their goto pranks and some of your best.
What did you have a go to prank you used to do to people at all?
I mean a go to. Yeah, I was, I was a, especially
at Braves clubhouse, you know, was kind of young.
And you look around Hall of Famer, Hall of Famer, Hall of
Famer, Hall of Famer, you know, I was I wasn't quite, you know,

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to the level like getting those guys singing those guys.
I'm trying to think, well, I will tell you he's on a prank.
This is this is kind of par for the course and and I'm sure
we'll get into politics here at some point.
And this is this is a little precursor of how much I fucking
hate liberals. So, you know, after all my SI
shit going on the road was fuck,I just a nightmare.

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I mean it's. Just, well, let me stop you
there for a minute because the audience might not know.
So in 99, you had that. Well, it's become legendary now.
It's kind of, it was controversial and you you got
you faced massive boos. You even had to get an NYPD
escort, I think at Shea Stadium as I remember.
And that so for the audience, hedid it had an interview where he
was really outspoken. He's the John Rocker you guys

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know and love on social media. And a lot of people took it, you
know, and, and made all kinds ofstatements against you.
So take it from there, John. I just want to make sure the
audience knew about that, because they might, yeah.
So anyway, so this this goes on for years.
Every time I go on the road I'm just going to catch a load of
shit. Home games were were great, but
Rd. games were an absolute pain in the ass, especially when I go

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to places, you know, liberal cities like New York, like
Baston, like Philly. So I was in Seattle.
I was in Seattle for this one specific incident.
We know how liberal you know Seattle's and how, how, how,
how, how tolerant of conservatives that the Seattle
folks are. So that was back when I guess
they're still doing it now. All these clowns that designed

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the same, they're trying to makethem so fan friendly.
They're doing everything but letthe fans come in the fucking
clubhouse. And so in Seattle is conforce
where you got all the beer vendors and the food vendors and
all that. A chain link fence in my mound.
Like seriously, dude, like I canlike like reach the fence and
just like poke you like why thatdoesn't seem good.
Why do you give these fucking animals this much access to, to,

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you know, to, to tell us that we're, we're trying to work.
And so I'm sitting there for a good 2 1/2 hours just there's
about 3 or 4 deep of, of, of maybe a dozen guys that that did
not leave the entire game. They're just oh, I mean 2 1/2
hours this shift. I finally have enough.
I get up, I go to the the bathroom they have down there

(24:45):
forcing the bullpen take a piss in the toilet, get a cup, scoop
it out. Half float water.
Half pissed water fucking made them wear it.
Oh, real tough. You threw water on us.
You threw water on us. Not really.
You better check maybe you need to check Adna swab on that.
You took a little bit of John home with you that today, and I

(25:05):
don't blame you. Some of this behavior by and
we've seen it, you know, cross country on this show, like we
said earlier, we go after both sides of the aisle.
It it took a moment for me to get, I guess, weaponized in my
own way. I don't know if I was
radicalized. A lot of people said it's the
Charlie Kirk moment that did that.
But in 2011 you dropped your autobiography Scars and strikes

(25:27):
and and you were really outspoken in that and you just
said it like was was there something?
You know, I got to ask you this,John, because everybody has
George and I had our own moments.
Of course, there was many things, you know, 911 and other
things triggered me. I, I, I struggle with the dark
side. My problem is I start thinking
about the well meaning that because of my background,

(25:48):
sometimes I think the easiest solution for a lot of what's
going on in Washington DC would be a giant industrial wood
chipper. And I, I feel like sometimes we
candy ass what's going on there?And when you wrote scars and
strikes, was there something prior to that that politicized
you? Was it the that was it when you
when you got attacked for the Sports Illustrated cover?

(26:09):
Was it because you grew up in a very political family maybe or a
very patriotic family? You know what, what kind of
brought you kind of that thoughtprocess?
The article is what is what created the reason for that
book. I think I have a line.
Again, I have not read that bookprobably since I've finished it,

(26:29):
but I had a line in the book. There's a cliche.
Don't ever. Sorry, my bad.
Don't. Don't ever pick a fight with
someone who buys 8 by the truck.Look, and I have a quote in
there. Well, I decided to buy my own
truck. So I want to write that book as
kind of a counterbalance, a fight back against, you know,

(26:49):
against all, all of the propaganda that had been letting
against me for below those many years, about 10 years at that
point. And, and yeah, I wanted the,
the, you know, that that articlewritten by that power suck of
shit, Jeff Pearlman, which if you, if you look at his history,
everything the guy writes is motherfuking somebody.
He, he wrote a book about WalterPayton after Walter was dead.

(27:12):
The whole book is motherfucking about his drug usage, his
infidelity, his bastard kids. I mean, all like after the guy's
dead, you shit me and to, to, to, to trash a, you know, a
national icon like Walter Payton.
I mean, he wrote a book about the, the 1986 Amazing Mets.
What angle do you think he took all our transgressions and

(27:34):
etcetera, etcetera. I mean, the the guys just
absolutely. They're asking you in the chat,
what's the book's name? You guys are talking book.
Stars and strikes George. Stars and strikes the cover
George. If you grab it, throw the cover
up for the audience so they can see it.
Yeah. So go ahead, John.
I mean, he cut you off there, sogo ahead.
So you're right. I mean, he did write a a bunch

(27:55):
of motherfucking. Well, the the the.
Nothing like taking a shot at somebody that's dead, that can't
defend himself, right? I mean, that's.
Just just just just coward, honestly, just unnecessary.
Like what? What are you fucking trying to
prove here? You know, I could go on and on
because I, I've been given a earfull of dirt, this guy over the
years about just what a piece ofshit he is.
But never let's, let's cut that,you know, cut that short.

(28:17):
So the way the interview happened, the interview occurred
over an entire day. It was like an 8910 hour
interview. I love talking politics.
I was only 24 years old at the time and did not get the memo.
As a conservative, do not talk. Were you always Did you come
from a political family? Was your?
Was your? Were your.
Parents political, but yeah. But one of the reasons why I did
go to college for a couple of quarters during the offseason,

(28:40):
university, university and I wasI was going to be a poli sci
major. I major in political science.
Yeah, that's what I took in college.
Political science major. Yeah, it's.
We just lost them. He was touching back here.
He was touching his phone, his phone using his camera.
He probably hit off. I already know.

(29:02):
It happens sometimes. We'll get him back here in a
minute. I want to talk John when he
comes, George, when he comes back.
We'll bring up his stint on Survivor with his girlfriend.
Was he, Was he ever married? You know, I don't know.
We'll, we'll ask him that when he comes back.
I don't really know, but he had a a really attractive girlfriend
named Julie McGee and he you. Know what, Lance?
Let's go to break. We were at the mark anyway.

(29:22):
Let's go to break. Yeah.
We'll take a break while he's coming back in all.
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John, I've been waiting to ask this question because I think
there's and I'm trying to I'm I can I picture in my mind you got
you the MLB made you do some sensitivity training or classes.

(34:43):
You want to hear your isn't hearabout that, huh?
I want to hear about that. I want you to tell us, but then
I have a question to ask or something, so yeah, please tell.
I got to hear about this becauseI I.
Can't oxy moron sensitivity training for John Rogers?
I can't see you in moron. I can't see you in sensitivity
training, but you know. This this story's going to take
about 45 seconds, which will be 15 seconds longer than I was in

(35:05):
sensitivity training. So anyway.
Plus, it's nuts, the old, the Oldstein Commissioner, Bud Selig
clown, by the way, absolute utter clown.
Yeah, we, we, we think, we thinktoday's commissioner's a clown,
which he is. But yeah, Selig Selig, you know,

(35:25):
definitely shown the ropes of how to be a fucking Dick Head of
the Commissioner's Office. So, yeah, my, my, my punishment
levied for speaking my mind withMLB was a A2 week suspension, 14
inch suspension. I think it was like A50.
No, they, they, they tried to levy a $50,000 fine.

(35:46):
The association got 11. I got it reduced to 5000, which
I didn't pay $1.00 for that fine.
And then it was X amount of hours of sensitivity training.
So I still, I can take you rightwhere the office is today around
Cheshire Bridge Rd. Cheshire Bridge and Lennox Road
right there in Bucket, Atlanta. I walk into some, you know, some

(36:08):
sweater wearing, you know, palm pedaled hand.
I'm not going to say all the words I'd like to pussy.
Did he have a. Sweaty handshake Did he have a
sweaty? Yeah, yeah.
And, you know, dad bod and the the perfectly groomed little
little beard and the like, you should have been part of the Bee
Gees, but it's 30 years after the Bee Gees.

(36:28):
So what are you doing dressed like that?
You're like a fucking idiot. So I walk in there and, you
know, they always try to, like, buddy up and get you started.
He's feeling comfortable. He's like, you know, John, I
don't, I don't, I don't really see any reason why you should be
here. Oh, yeah.
Then I'm leaving. Got up, walked out.
So after. But you're saying as well, like,

(36:49):
I don't really. I don't really think you belong
to your job like you know, do you do?
You think I. Think so?
Hold on. Let me let me just chill for a
second. So you weren't married at the
time, unfortunately, but you should have really got some.
Any girl, any broad, whatever, pick one, put a ring on her
finger and tell her she should have sued the MLB saying, yo, I
didn't, I didn't marry no be engaged with no soy boy.

(37:12):
You're turning him into a soy boy with this sensitivity crap.
That would have been a great lawsuit.
You think so? That what turned out for me
wouldn't have been great. You know you.
Could have, you could have shoothim too, he said.
Look, I'm married. I.
Can get married now, talk a bunch of shit.
We can. I can try it when I'm 50.
Listen. Listen, if they can change, if
they can change the statutes on Donald Trump, maybe you can

(37:35):
still open that back up. You can open a case back up if
they'll change the laws for you on the bill.
There you go. Seems to be standard operating
procedure. George, I might get you some
sensitivity training. I don't know.
I'm thinking about it. Maybe somebody hook us up.
He's got to connect in the sensitive.
If anybody needs sensitivity training, I think it's.
You Yeah, it's not here, here. Here's what a what a what a sack
of shit. Just crawl under his desk, hide,

(37:57):
bite his lip because he knows what's going on is good for the
game, even though it's I want tosay morally, ethically, maybe
something not right about all the PEDs back in the day.
And I have heard guys like Rod crew and George Brett and those
guys, I've heard them verbatim say no PED guy will ever be in
my Hall of Fame. I heard Rod crew say that like
clear as bell like so they're all people that didn't like it.

(38:20):
Was it was it good for the game?Was it more entertaining?
And then people I was I've said that for years.
Maisley baseball was more entertaining when you got Mark
McGuire hitting 70 hold on and battling Sammy Slosen that yes,
he's painting himself. You have 40,000 just over
batting practice to watch McGuire.
You know, hit him on the roof and hit the freaking big

(38:42):
Chick-fil-A chicken out in the in the left field.
Everybody wants everybody wants to see that at the end of the
day. I've always thought that the you
know, when you think about professional sports and I don't
care what professional sport we're talking about, even
performance enhancing. I think it's part of the
industry even in special forces government contract and we all
use performance enhancing because at the end of the day,

(39:06):
yeah. And so.
If it's available to everybody and they can get it.
So it's really not and. It's only cheap if you win,
otherwise you're trying to feel better about yourself.
But anyway, so let's get back tothe point I'm trying to make.
See, look here. So you know, back back in the
day collected the collective bargain agreement.
They could not test us for any drug whatsoever.
Not cocaine, not marijuana, not anything unless we had an off

(39:28):
field, you know, incident. I had an off field incidents.
You could not test me. Bud sends down in January for me
to take a test for steroids and I'm like, OK, I'm not doing that
shit. My eating is like, they're
pretty pissed at you. I'd go ahead and take the test.
Failed miserably. Did you ever hear anything from
Bud Selig about I failed my testbut I failed my test and maybe

(39:52):
we should be testing the whole league and push for that the
next CBA? Absolutely not.
And of course. He's he's not Mr. Candidate by
any fucking means, but he's not done over the thing we caught
the one we got, we got, we got, we got the guys think stairways
in the big leagues. He sees what's going on.
He knows half a league is on it,but he sure as hell didn't let

(40:14):
it get out that I was taking it because that the can of worms
that would open now. So he sat on it, knowing,
knowing the whole time exactly what's going on.
Don't you think the testing is kind of a weapon that the, you
know, the pros use against players?
Sometimes it's not disclosed even when they get caught, but
they use it to hang it over their head with the threat of

(40:36):
well, you know, I could end yourcareer because you know about
your testing that didn't. Work that and, and get contract
stuff too. You know, they, they use to hang
on their head about, you know, maybe I, I get a $5,000,000
discount next time. This guy's contracts too.
But you know, the, the, the whole thing and, and the, you
know, the, the folks out there with drinking problems and drug
problems and all that, they werecreating a huge stigma.

(40:57):
Oh my God I can't believe the athletes throw steroids as I do
my line of blow. You know you self-righteous pile
of shit. You know, he'll be doing it for
for for PR reasons that they call such Flack, such backlash
over the PR of this, you know, America's pastime, grandma apple
pie and baseball. It was this pure institution of

(41:18):
Major League Baseball. We can't believe this is going
on. See, it was, it was a, it was
APR, you know, definitely a definitely PR.
You know, when I see news get weaponized against, it doesn't
matter whether it's a player, it's on social media or it's
some somebody that's on the political spectrum.
You know, we always talk about how quickly it can turn on you.
You know, we know the operation runs, you know, deep within the

(41:41):
narrative, right? They want to control the
narrative. If they're going to control John
Rocker, they want to control George Ballantine, they want to
control Donald Trump. It doesn't matter who it is, the
system is really sophisticated. And for people out there that
haven't dealt with it, now you've doubled down.
First of all, not only have you been incredibly outspoken on
social media, but now you've decided to pick up the podcast

(42:03):
Microphone. I watched a couple of your
episodes. You know what I'm getting.
Better. I'm getting better.
No, you are. You're doing great.
I actually saw your one with theI'm watching on.
Podcast I'm like. Practice makes perfect, John.
We're all like. That I never off my guess too
much. I'm getting better.
I'm I know know some adjustment.No, I'm always chewing gum upon
not chewing gum anymore and mumbling on on on on 4 sticks of

(42:26):
gum. So I'm I'm making some
adjustments. I'm getting better.
Who's running your production for you?
Long well, it's it's it's Sandlot media is this company.
I'm, I'm also a part of so great, great team, man for
absolutely fantastic team. Wait, who is it for?
Sandlot Media. Sandlot media and you're only.

(42:47):
Only run three shows right now. No, but I think it's great.
I I actually think you're doing a really good job.
I think it's a real comfortable environment you kind of created
there. I watched one of your interviews
with the Navy SEAL. We do a lot of Special Forces
guys because of my Yeah. So we've had quite a few of them
on. And of course, it's really
engaging. It's kind of a playbook.
We we run our playbook out of like Joe Rogan, Shawn Ryan, kind

(43:09):
of that style is what we try to do on this show because we do a
lot of variety. We do musicians and we do MMA
and we do Special Forces. But what made you decide you
weren't you? You Because I've watched you on
social media for a long time. I followed you for a long time.
I like your post. I like when you go all in on
people. What made you decide to pick up
the microphone now? Was it just you finally said

(43:32):
enough of this bullshit? Yeah, I've, I've wanted to do a
podcast for years. I've had a conversation with,
with various production, you know, companies around the,
well, rather SE mainly. And it was just just never the
right fit, just just kind of small, kind of chintzy.
And, and this, this, this production company is a young
company, but everybody involved has got, you know, they, they,

(43:52):
they, they, and they spun away from what they were doing
previously to form this company.The company is young, but
everyone is very experienced. And that's great.
You know, our, our, you know, the, the, the, the camera crew,
if you really actual producers that are, that are, that are
entity and set everything up, they, they, they've won I think
4 Emmys in podcast production. I mean, they're there.

(44:13):
That's quite, quite substantial.Yeah, that's great.
The Western members of the company, there's pretty much
nobody as far as interview wise that we can't get to.
I mean, this this weekend I'm going to Athens to, to interview
Cole Swindell. If you guys are country fans,
Cole Swindell, AJ Styles, Pete Rose Junior and Rick Ankiel.

(44:34):
That's a great lineup. The first interview I ever show
I ever did was with John Rich and Big and Rich.
Yeah. And.
And one of the girls that works for us, actually.
Her name is Tiffany Savage. She ran Donald Trump's Georgia
campaign, ran his campaign. I.
Know savvy, I'm friends with her.
Oh. You do.
OK, so we'll we'll at some point, you know, probably get

(44:55):
Don Junior on, but but everybodykind of brings their own, their
own niche and can make one, if not 2 phone calls and get
whomever on the show. So yeah, where do they?
Where do you? Know savvy really well?
Hold on. I just met her for the first
time about maybe six months ago,someone said.
I know her really well, but sweet she can be.
I like her a lot. She's great.
I. Was going to, I was going to

(45:16):
text her right now, so I got John on, he says hello.
OK, great. I'm here this weekend.
Yeah. So John, where do they just for
the audience right now before wedig in the rest of the way here,
where do they find on Cage? So you're on YouTube and where
else are you right now? YouTube, Spotify, Apple, I know
those 3 for sure. They've told me a couple other
ones but I usually just just watch it for my.

(45:39):
No Rumble yet, huh? You're not on Rumble yet?
You're not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not big time.
I'm still like a ball. Just like a ball.
You guys are. You guys are like, you know, 3-4
year big league veterans. I'm still just a balling.
No, but I'll, I'll tell you something to watch.
It over there on YouTube and I'll tell Asia.
Yeah, I did a Tim full show. I don't know if not not to not

(45:59):
to plug another show on your show, but I didn't tend to no
plug. Away we, we, we're supporters.
We. About not the hater crew here.
Just because somebody watches Tim Poole doesn't mean they
don't watch us just because. And at the end of the day, I
want you to plug your show. It's part of it because we want
to help you grow. Because the more of us out there
that are fighting the good fight, the better it's going to
because, of course, educating and unifying the country.

(46:20):
Well, I will. I will say at some point, maybe
it's time to stop fighting a good fight with this and start
fighting with this. It's going to have to happen,
man. Running our fucking mouths
clearly is not enough. I mean, these, these fucking
freak fucking liberals, they're willing to go out and surround,
harass, get physically violent with people at Trump rallies and

(46:43):
wherever. They're going to burn down
police stations, burn out policecars, take shots at Trump, kill
Charlie Kirk, and all we do is go on a podcast and fucking yap
about it. At some point in time we got to
step out in the street. I, I've got to tell you that,
that George has to restrict me alot of times.
I, I'm probably wants to take itinto that arena.

(47:05):
I try to, I try to modify my talk because at the end of the
day, like I told you earlier, I struggle with a dark side,
meaning that I always believe that actions speak louder than
words. I'm with you.
It's it's hard for me. I have to restrain because of
course that's the next thing they do.
That's how they get us banned and permanently suspended.
I was pretty outspoken on X got suspended under the Jack Dorsey

(47:28):
reign of terror. I've never gotten the momentum
back. And I think there's still
restrictions on my account that nobody wants to acknowledge.
You know, I've got my personal account.
I've got about, I don't know what the two accounts are
probably 400 and some odd thousand.
And George never got his accountback.
George, how many death threats do you think we've had in the
last 12 months? In our DMS?
In an e-mail? Otherwise, what do you?
Think I don't know dude. I stopped counting, but you know

(47:49):
John. Probably 20-30 death threats.
I I feel there's a violence threats.
I always welcome him. I tell look, anytime you want to
come up and you want to step up,I'm here.
There's only two things standingbetween you and me, fear and
atmosphere and. When it when it comes to like
with Kirk, yeah, I'm, I understand where you're coming
from, even Lance. But for a person like me, I

(48:12):
don't say it. I won't say it on any social
media or anything. You just got to be able to
handle it. Do it, go out and do it and just
handle it. Handle your business.
You know what I mean? That won't.
Step up. I actually tried to fight.
I don't know if you know that Jackass Brooklyn dad dude, he's
gay. He's faking gay, why would you

(48:35):
even think he would? Doesn't matter, I'd still like
to knock him the fuck out for the way.
He's right here in Brooklyn. He's by me.
You want me to go get him? I.
I offered many times to fight him in the cage I also went
after. I live in North New Jersey, 10
minutes from the. City John, Who's that?
Who's the actor? George.
But they now he's kind of flipped the script.
The guy that had the big mouth, I was talking about Israel.
I offered to fight him too. He wouldn't do it.

(48:55):
I offered. I put a big mouth.
You'll be more specific on that.So here's what I I pulled a
clip. We're talking about the insanity
on the left. You, you bring up a valid point.
I think there's a mental health crisis in the United States.
Here's a clip I grabbed this morning.
Let's throw it up. George.
I don't even understand what's going on here.
Honestly, this is beyond me. And you, you know, listen, you,

(49:17):
you grew up, you were young guy in the same period as us.
I just didn't see all these transgender fucking psychos.
I didn't see this crazy. They were there.
And it's not just not like the, the, the champion of like this
is the next frontier that liberals have to conquer.
It was, you know, the, the, the fight for the gays and gay
marriage, you know, 15 years ago.
Now. Let's move on to the next, you

(49:37):
know, Yeah, Weird, bizarre way out in the left field of the
social norm. Let's try to make that normal
now. I mean, you, you think that
there there can't be more than what, half a million?
Tops. Transvestites in the in the in
this country. There's a.
Number is so small, but we've given him a platform, haven't
we? Hasn't TikTok given?

(49:58):
And I hate TikTok. Let me be clear, I hate it.
I think at the end of the day. Actually, you know what, there's
a deal they they made, they're going to announce it Friday.
They just didn't talked about ittoday.
Trump and them they actually there's some the deals in the
works is pretty much going to befinalized.
They're going to talk, they're going to share it on Friday.
What? What's the deal, George?
They didn't. They were excited.

(50:19):
Well, let let's hope so. I'm going to tell you this.
I don't like the stuff that's onTikTok.
I think it's accp run platform that was meant to undermine the
youth in America. I think they've done an amazing
job because when you look at TikTok in China, the platform is
completely different. You don't see this kind of
garbage on there. But on our end, we promote this
garbage. Let's throw this clip up.
Here's another TikTok insane person.

(50:40):
I don't even know what this person is.
Saying I don't know if this is real, but.
Slam everyone. I just got to ask who's
cosplaying? See, cosplaying is when you
dress up as something that you aren't or someone you aren't.
I am a Muslim woman. I wear what a Muslim woman
wears. I dress like that.

(51:02):
So who's cosplaying here? I think you need to learn the
words that you're trying to use because they ain't working for
you. Hey I'm working.
For you she has. She has an Adam's album as big
as her balls. Yeah, I just, again, not knowing

(51:23):
a lot about the Middle East, having spent time there, I, I
don't think that this person, this guy would be embraced by
the Muslims anywhere. I I personally believe he'd be.
Beating his dance, probably that's why.
Yeah, I mean, and John, you, youreacted to a lot of stuff.
Charlie Kirk is obviously the big news.
And I, I reacted the same way you did.
First, I was shocked when Georgetexted me.

(51:44):
I wasn't online at the moment. He said Charlie Kirk was shot.
I was hoping it was going to be,you know, it was going to be a
shot he would recover from. The minute I saw the video,
having seen some injuries like that when I was a government
contractor, I felt like it was probably not going to end well
for him. Of course it didn't, but you,
you went into OverDrive. You had some post code seriously

(52:05):
viral, but you were right. You came out and said this is
just crazy. Let's talk about that a little
bit, kind of what your reaction was when you heard it.
And of course, what you felt like the left because there were
people just celebrating. And I, it made me so angry that
I actually had to disengage fromsocial media because I was ready
to just start telling everybody I was, you know, come and see
me. I'll take care of you.
You won't have to worry about it.

(52:26):
We'll put an end to what you're thinking right now.
And I had to just stop, so go ahead from there.
Yeah, it made me extremely angry.
You know, I've said for for years, guys, I don't even know
where to start conversation. You know, liberals always talk
about their, the party of inclusion, their, you know,

(52:48):
inclusion for the weirdos, the freaks, the, the, the, the, the
fringe, all the, all the fringe thinkers, the, the normal folks
that have nine to five jobs and families.
And we, that, that is not our ideology.
And there's no place for us in the, in the Democratic Party.
There's no place for us in that liberal mind thing.

(53:09):
Liberals, you know what, what was it?
You know, Biden over and over and over again, the most
dangerous group to American democracy is MAGA supporters.
Are you shitting me? It was not a Magnus supporter
that tried to shoot Donald Trumptwice.
Not a Magnus supporter that killed Charlie Kurt was not a
Magnus supporter that had over 400 riots back in in in in 1920

(53:31):
and 2021. Burning police cars and police
stations, rioting, looting, murdering.
Those are, those are those are not Trump supporters.
The left is the group of violence.
Now, are they the group of violence because they just are
violent people, They're angry people.
Or are they the group of violence because they're paid,

(53:52):
the term paid agitators? I have fought for years and
years and years. I made some T-shirts and it's
got me sideways with the AtlantaBraves because they told me to
take them on my website. I told to go fucking # saying
this is liberal for pussies. I wear that shirt all the
fucking time. And keep in mind I'm 6, five,
£250. I'm still in pretty damn good

(54:12):
shape. I wear that shirt all the time
and just eyeball people. Who's going to say something?
Come on, fucking say something. And people rarely do.
I was in Washington DC about four years ago and toured all
the monuments and all that on a Friday afternoon.
Or my little shirt, pussy fucking T-shirt.
I had one person make a comment that was a jogger and they
picked up the pace once they fucked off.

(54:34):
So really? And you see some of these just,
I mean, a liberal has a look to it.
I mean, they're, they're, they're, they're generally out
of shape. They're generally pasted, have
some kind of fuck up haircut. You can tell growing up, they
were a fucking loser. They had no friends.
They were, they were an outcast socially.
And it's like these, these people like grow up and they

(54:55):
form their own group, you know, all the, the losers band
together to become liberals and they, they grow up angry, they
grow up fucking pissed off. They grow up on the lash out and
fight back and and they feel strong and bold in their groups.
Like when you see Antifa and they're throwing rocks at cars,
they're bashing Teslas and shit like that.

(55:15):
They feel emboldened because there's 20 or 30 of them, all
the games looking like that. Even the Crips, the blood,
they're all like that. You take them one-on-one, they
ain't shit. They'll do like that because
they got all their friends. With them all you know, they're,
they're, they're, they're, they're 45% body fat.
They're fat. They're unathletic.
The men throw like women. I would and and you know, are
they are they paid by George Soros or paid by some left wing

(55:38):
bank? Probably.
Let me ask you this, John. Do you think it's nature versus
nurture or do you think it's a combination thereof?
Because my opinion, when we grewup, everybody was in better
shape. Everybody wanted to be in good
shape. But I look at these kids now and
they just seem so weak and mealy, you know, They don't look
like they really want to do a day of working.
Out is like the cool thing though.

(55:59):
You know, and I think it's, I think it's a combination of the
food. I also wonder, you know, Alex
Jones has made some comments about what's in the water.
We've talked about what's happening.
We talked about the vaccines. It seems like these kids, I mean
they, they look like they start out of the gate.
Maybe we screwed up our testosterone taking steroids and
performance enhancing drugs, butit looked like they had no
testosterone to begin with. These guys look so fucked up.

(56:22):
Very, very effeminate. And you know, and here, here's
what I think stops this. And when I was on Tim Poole's
show, he's like, you say it on Rumble.
Don't say it on YouTube. They'll fucking ban my ass or at
least, or at least, you know, suspend me for a prolonged
period of time. I'll say you've got Soros and
he's paid 100 of these, you knowof these these emasculate

(56:42):
individuals to go down and and and riot pick it, whatever pre
havoc at a Trump rally. Why aren't there 100 good old
boys in their fucking pickup trucks with shotgun shotgun
racks, you know, on the fucking back glass.
Meet him in the fucking St. And and just because because.

(57:04):
I'll tell you why. Because if you, if you, if you
have these stupid soy boys or facts, what do you want to call
them if they're there trying to protest, if you put
conservatives with blatantly showing their shotguns or guns
in. Their trunks?
No. Don't pull your gut out.
No, no. But I know, I know.
But doing that is just, you know, you don't have the median
everybody going to spin. But here's here's what stops it.

(57:26):
So when about half a dozen them,a dozen them go to the hospital,
they're there for about a week and a half.
A month later, you got Soros called up.
All right, Who wants to go to this rally, that Trump rally?
Who's going to have to get this run?
Yeah, well, I would, George, be the last time I got the shit out
of me. So I'm going to sit this one
out. I want to tell you.

(57:47):
Something is you beat the piss out enough of them, next
opportunity comes up. Yeah.
I'm for that. I'll probably sit this one.
Listen, I'm for that going and beating the piss out of them,
but just don't be showing the guns in the trucks they.
Don't let me. He was talking about it, I know,
but George, he was talking to that type of person.
And here's what I do agree with.I'm going to tell you something.
You saw them do it at the J6 Fed's direction.

(58:09):
They put fear in people so they couldn't peacefully protest,
right? Because they arrested, you know,
soccer moms and grandmothers andveterans, people that really
didn't participate. They, they created the event
that they use less lethal munitions to agitate the crowd.
They had lots of federal agents that were agitating the crowd,
pulling down barriers. They opened up the magnetic
doors. But they did that because they

(58:30):
wanted to make sure people weren't going to go to more
events and they and it, and it worked.
I agree with you. Here's the problem.
I voted for transparency, accountability and consequences.
I, I voted for the rule of law. And at the end of the day, when,
when you have a group like Sorosusing the Open Society
Foundation and all the other NGOs, he got literally 10s of

(58:50):
millions of dollars, maybe even hundreds from USAID.
That's the problem with what I call the deep state, and I
always, I don't always say it's the left.
I believe it's a more deep stateorganization.
I believe the government officials, politicians,
judiciary, these people are compromised.
They compromise them and then they manipulate them.
Sometimes they manipulate them through money, sometimes they

(59:10):
compromise them through an operation like Epstein.
Whatever it is, they do a very good job of it.
And people like Soros puts his money where his mouth is.
One of the things that I think is lacking on the right is that
we haven't. Seen that?
We don't have any capitalization, John, and you
probably probably know this fromthese shows.
They start out as a labor of love.
Even when you have a big agency behind you, you have to use all

(59:33):
your resources. You've got incredible resources.
You've got lots of, you know, public figure relationships.
You have to develop it. And what I think is really
frightening in a way is it they,they not only have they well
monetize that vertical, they have taken our own government
and weaponized it. So if you take a group like
USAID and you watch how much money got funnelled out, look at

(59:53):
the Chelsea Clinton a know nothing worthless sack of shit
got $84 million from USAID. She spent, I could never figure
out when I watched her buy her $11 million mansion, I thought,
wow, her parents really must take care of her.
Turns out the $11 million came from the American taxpayers.
She got 3,000,000 she spent on awedding she got funded through,
you know, 84,000,000 from US. ID Why isn't she being

(01:00:15):
prosecuted? Why isn't that money being
clawed back? And let me say this, on this
show, I've mentioned, said it many times, and we know that
Donald Trump is tuned into our show as well as JD Vance.
I've said it, George Soros, Alexander Soros are
international and domestic terrorists.
They have, they have weaponized himself against the American
people. Even in my own state.
I'm stuck in the socialist stateof Colorado for the moment.

(01:00:37):
My mom lives here. She's 93 and I take care of her
and her friends are here. So I haven't made the move.
I really want to move to Floridalike you.
But here we are with a very sophisticated system, you know,
operating behind the scenes. Let's face it, if I'm going to
start putting money into shows, I'm going to pick a guy like
John Rocker. I'm going to pick the Big Ming
show and I'm going to put some money into those shows because I

(01:00:57):
know these guys are real Americans.
They're true patriots. They want the best for the
country, but you don't see that happening.
Do you find that you've now thatyou've gotten into the podcast
game, do you see how the that vertical on that side, when they
want to weaponize against us, those people get an unlimited
amount of capital to promote andgrow their shows.
Yeah, their their their job is to create strife throughout this

(01:01:20):
country and most specifically against the Conservative Party.
That is, their job is to be be advertised.
And an incredible amount you, you look at people Bill Kristol
got, I could never figure out how Bill Kristol could promote
so negatively. Right.
I, I was surprised his soul wasn't being sucked out of him.
And then I heard about the $8 million a year he was getting
from USAID. He's probably hiring some guy to

(01:01:41):
run a social media for a hundreda year, being extra generous.
And he's putting 7.9 million in his pocket at 8 million.
You can understand, you saw how you know Kamala Harris comes off
her election run 24,000,000 negative.
But here she is paying Megan Thee Stallion, Beyoncé and, and
and and even Sean Penn getting paid for that Ukraine
appearance, $5,000,000. Just these tremendous amounts of

(01:02:03):
money and none of it is coming from the right into the right
organizations of the top 100 shows or up and coming shows
with public figures like yourself.
George, you and I have discussedthis so many times about the
lack of funding and we've allowed the left to become so
weaponized. Even these influencers, I
believe many of the influencers,JoJo from jurors, the
Krasensteins, Brooklyn dad, thatlittle, that little coward fag,

(01:02:27):
Chris Mallory, Harry Sisson. I don't you know, I'd like to
slap each one of them with a bitch slap.
George. We talked about it and that's
one of the things that's really horrendous that they have been
given so much capital to promotethese negative anti US and US
people messages. George, your thoughts?
Because I know you and I have made this discussion.
Well, that's the thing the the left and all our organizations,

(01:02:49):
somehow, no matter what, they always come together.
You know, they'll fight on the same issues and stick to their
guns. They'll always get the money to
advertise to pay, pay social media influencers on this on our
side doesn't you bit you can't even get them to even throw
money at a show to throw some commercials or anything.
I mean, I don't know if they're cheap or whatever.
They got it. They have like maybe 5

(01:03:12):
conservative social media influencers on like X that you
know, that they pay and believe me, they're not worth the shit
anyway. Those people with their posts.
Yeah, but that looks. Like, conservatives do have a,
you know, a very loud voice in talk radio.
I was thinking services probablydominate talk radio.
So but speaking space though. Speaking of this, like over the

(01:03:35):
weekend this came up which is getting a lot of attention.
It's called they're calling for to overturn the Smith Mundact.
I don't know if you're familiar with.
That Mund. I'm not, no.
So Barack Obama literally made it legal for the US government
to lie and use propaganda on U.S. citizens in the Smith Month
Modern Modernization Act. Yeah, he overturned it.

(01:03:56):
Actually. Smith Munt made them so they
couldn't do it and Barack Obama cancelled it.
He's about right. Yeah, he cancelled it because
what it does is it allows the USgovernment to lie and manipulate
the press to, of course, spread a narrative.
Right now there's a push to rename the Smith Month Act, the
Charlie Kirk Act, bring it back into a force where the US

(01:04:17):
government cannot weaponize media against us.
But I got, you know, now that you're a podcaster and you and
you clearly you've got a good game plan.
You've got a great team behind you.
What's the what? What is the message you really
want to convey? I know we don't have a whole lot
of time yet here. So what is the message you
really want to convey from your show?
What's your plan? Because you're a guy that's

(01:04:37):
never held back and I respect you for that.
Regardless of the shots you took, you're you're a real
fucking GI mean. You're not playing around.
You've always said what the fuckwas on your mind and you didn't
care what the impact of it was. I don't think you have any
regrets about it because you don't seem to be a guy That
strikes me because I don't have a lot of regrets.
I've definitely lived on both sides of the fence and there's
different moments when things have happened to me, but I've

(01:05:00):
never regretted what I did. I've always looked back and said
there was justification for it. What's the the big message
behind on Cage and what's your plan moving forward?
For, for now, let's establish anaudience.
And of course, the bigger you get, the more chances you can
take, the more risks you can take, the more credibility you
create, the bigger you get. So, you know, now it's trying to

(01:05:21):
get, you know, I've already had some great guests, I guess some
great guests coming up. And to get, you know, to that
size where you're, you're 50 or 80 or 100th show, you've got
some credibility. And then just just keep saying
the same show always says now I I do again.
When I was I I tried to hit thisa couple times and keep me to

(01:05:41):
see me a sidetrack. When I did Tim pool show and we
did the first we did the first like 2 hours.
It was it was 3 hours, 3 hours on Tim pool show.
Like how long Tim? Like Jesus, Yeah, but yeah, but.
The time goes fast, don't you think Timbo's a?
Good. It was fun.
It was fun. We did the first two hours on on
YouTube and he said, you, you can't talk about 3 things.
You can't talk about transvestites, about the COVID

(01:06:04):
shot or violence in any in any fashion.
You can't you do that shit. I will get suspended by YouTube.
Like no shit. I thought this was a free forum.
No FCC's like yeah, technically,but YouTube will fucking shut my
showdown. You talk about violence, the
COVID shot or trainees. Oh shit, I was like, we get a
rumble last hour. Fucking have at it.

(01:06:24):
So it's still it's still that, you know, I always want to do a
podcast because there is no FCC.There is no fucking dump button.
I guess what the fuck I want to say.
Well, evidently you can't and without the fool, without the
platform and of course YouTube, you know, you still got Spotify,
you still got rumble, you still got Apple.
But I would honestly don't know about Spotify specifically, but

(01:06:45):
I would say Apple would probablybe, you know, of the same
mindset of YouTube and God knowsapples literal as hell.
Guess what, You ain't got to worry about none of that shit
here on Rumble. Yeah, I know, I know.
And then hopefully I get as big as you guys want to have my own,
my own Rumble channel. But yeah, it's going to be yeah.
I mean, it's going to be same the same shit that I've said.

(01:07:06):
You know what? Time do you do your show?
By the way? What's that?
What time do you do your show? We we film like 4 to 5 shows a
month and they come out once a week.
They come out 6:00 Thursday nights.
All right, as long as you don't come around 11:00 AM, you're
good, bro. But you.
Guys do a show every day. I'm I'm not, but we're 11.
AM everyday, 11 AM. We've also got our big MIG talk

(01:07:28):
radio show. And then we have the number one
crypto show on Rumble, the Crypto Power Hour.
That's at 9:00 AM Eastern standard two days.
So we have quite a few shows we do.
But you know, John, let me get this.
Scars and Stripes. Where do they buy your book?
Right now it's just out of print.
I did. I did 22 prints of it.
Basically got tired of fucking around with it.

(01:07:50):
Yeah, it came out in 2011. We did a second round of
printing in 13. I think they actually want to do
a third round. I'm like, eh, I'm kind of, I'm
kind of booked out. You can still go on Amazon.
OK, so you're on YouTube uncagedpodcast, your social media on X
is it's John Rocker. Give him a follow, go check his
show out. Please go over to YouTube,

(01:08:10):
support him and subscribe. You know how it is.
He's trying to get out of the gate.
He's got a good plan. I trust John Rocker and you
know, I don't say that about a lot of fucking people.
I think he's the real deal. He's proven himself over history
on X. So check him out.
And of course, you guys, the most precious commodity you have
is time. Thank you so much for turning
in. Take the short form, take the
long form. We're not coming after you.
We want you to promote, promote the show, promote John Rocker,

(01:08:33):
go over to X after the show, go follow him.
He can use all the support he can get because he's in a real
fight. It is what it is.
You guys know how that works. Of course, don't forget to
follow G Ballantine Lance from the outro, the big meek Sean X
and if you can do a $5 paid subscription.
It's a way to thank us for thesegreat interviews all the time we
put out because listen, the rights not taking care of us
enough. It's you guys that make these

(01:08:53):
shows possible. We appreciate the rumble ran
tips always. And if you want to tip us in
crypto, you can go to thebigmig.com.
We've got some QR codes over there, George Ballantine, a last
words on the way out of gate andwe've got an interview tomorrow.
I'll give the details after you get done, George.
Or you can do it now. Yeah.
I don't know what just happened.We just lost the feet over there
and rumble tomorrow, I don't even know what.

(01:09:15):
Analyse what interview we got tomorrow, right now.
Well, not tomorrow, but we've got Jonathan Otto, which is
going to be great. I'll give you some details over
in the Big Me Show channel, so check it out.
George Last words, my brother. John, thank you.
It was a pleasure. Hopefully we'll get you on
again. Hopefully when I come to
Florida, I'll come meet up with you if you have time.
Yeah, y'all stay blessed out there.
God bless and and keep praying and being with your families.

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