July 18, 2025 • 71 mins
In this conversation, Stijn Fawkes shares his journey into paganism, the formation of the Greyhorn Pagans community, and the revival of ancestral practices. He discusses the importance of storytelling, the eclectic nature of modern paganism, and the role of rituals and offerings in connecting with the divine. Stijn emphasizes the significance of intention in pagan practices and the influence of paganism on contemporary culture. He also outlines his goals for the future of his community and podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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streams safer with the prophets to code the dreams. So
with you tune in better guards. Your mind is broadcasting
seeds and were breaking the design of design. Yeah, yeah,
yo yo, straight from the broadcast.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Tell us who you are and what you do.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
For sure. My name is Stein. I go by Stein
Fox on the Internet. That's the name I've chosen when
I was this radical activist in my early twenties. I
have grown up since I am a Dutch born Germanic
pagan I follow the old gods of Northern Europe and
northwestern Europe to be specific, close to home. I am
(01:24):
a podcaster, content creator, tribal leader. I have my own tribe, founded,
my own tribe, and of course most importantly, I am
a husband and father, my kids, two kids, daughter and
a son.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
They're the best man. Yeah, for sure. I've got four daughters,
so I get oh yeah, that's a whole other episode.
So one of the first things I like to ask
my guests is what what was your gate like? What
got you into this? What was your gateway to this
entire world that you live in now?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Well, I I've always been interested in history. I always
liked the stories. I loved listening to the stories that
my father told me about his youth, about the stories
that he told me about his father how he lived,
and the stories of the war and all of that.
(02:24):
You know, the stories of our ancestors, how they lived
and all. It's all been very, very fascinating. And so
that's that's one, definitely one part of it. And I
wasn't necessarily raised religiously as many many are, of course,
but I've always been raised let's say, around religion. Both
(02:45):
my grandparents or or my grandparents really from both my
mother's and father's side, were religious. They were Roman Catholics,
So you know, I went to church, said the prayers
before every meal, before going to bed. So I've always
been around that, at least always thought the the imagery
(03:05):
was incredibly beautiful. Still, do you know whenever I go
to a to a church, the stained glass windows and
all the art, I think it's you know, it's absolutely amazing,
absolutely beautiful, horrific story, beautiful art. Yeah, so I I
guess it really started in my my twenties. You know,
I had a bit of a bit of a spiritual awakening,
(03:27):
a dark night of the soul as they like to
call it in the more spiritual circles. I got incredibly back,
black pilled. I was like very depressed because like, oh
my God, like I am powerless. I cannot do anything
because everything is controlled. There was a that period in
my life sucked quite bad. You know, I didn't feel
like getting a job because you know, like why would
(03:49):
I work if it's you know, not going to get
me anywhere. Buss makes a dollar, I make a dime,
all that kind of shit, and I'm not gonna go
anywhere because there's a glass ceiling and I have to
sell out, and you know, the fuss you have in
your early twenties, and then like.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Slowly, especially did you go to college?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
No, No, I've always did trade school.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, I was just well either way, you did something
after primary school, right, Yeah, for sure. It seems to
be the definitely in their twenties, they're like, what in
the heck? Yeah, especially within the last ten years, I understand,
get it.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
So yeah, well no, it's okay, I mean not thirty
three years old. So in the last ten years it's
about right. Yeah, yeah, ten fifteen years, and slowly but
surely kind of religion made its way back into my life.
More animism to be to be specific, pretty much like
an all encompassing kind of spirituality. It is not really
(04:43):
a religion. Animism is basically, you know, God is in everything,
and everything has a touch of the divine. And it
wasn't until History Fightings, actually, the TV show that is
of course still very very hollywoods you know, it's a
it's a lot more dark and grimy than the actual history.
(05:07):
But that really sparked something in me. Then, something about
the the warrior culture, the the honor culture, the deep
spirituality of it all is how it was portrayed, at
least whenever I was I was watching it, I was like, yeah,
like this this this is this is it. This is
(05:31):
what I feel. You know, I've always had this strong
sense of of justice, always the strong sense of needing
to you know, defend my loved ones, defend myself, which
comes in very andy with a you know, warrior culture,
warrior warri warrior religion. And I began exploring further and
(05:57):
began to to read more, began to read the story
of the Das, the pros ed poetic Eda, you know,
the few stories that have remained from from our past,
from our ancestral past, because it was was all oral traditions.
So once the oral traditions died, and everything else pretty
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much dies. And I have grown a lot since then,
so I've discovered a lot more. Been in like several groups,
several communities, always learned learned a lot from them that
some some good people, some less good people. Unfortunately, and
(06:43):
at a certain point, I think it was well pretty
much right before I met my wife, so that's like
five five years ago now, like just before the whole
pandemic thing kicked off. I was getting tired of you know,
not getting what I what I need in those different communities,
(07:05):
and you know, growing too popular and then being kind
of a threat for the admins of getting you know,
booted out or worked out every time. And I was like, yeah,
come on, I'm getting so tired of this. So that's
when my wife and I decided that, you know what,
we're just we're gonna do this ourselves. We're gonna, you know,
but really do it properly. So we're not going to
(07:27):
call it the community. We're actually gonna call it and
make it a tribe, you know, because that's our ancestors lived.
There was tribal living, these little communities, little villages, and
yeah that really has has grown and has been through
several changes as most you know, tribes and communities do.
A tribe with the Great Hearnt Pagans, it is called.
(07:49):
Yeah that really well, you know, being my own tribal leader,
own community leader, has taught me a lot as well.
Definitely made some mistakes, but you know, the the thing
is that you know, you can make mistakes as long
as you learn from them. I have definitely learned from them. Luckily,
my wife keeps me, keeps me straight as well, I
(08:13):
mean good things hopefully. Yeah, I know a good thing too.
I'd be like just an unguided projectile, just you know,
being everywhere, going everywhere, long live, having fun, responsibility for
responsibility with all the things attached to it that are
that's fun. So she keeps me, keeps me straight, keeps
me grounded, and she is really the well, she's my
(08:37):
my female counterpart. What you know, I believe that a community,
a tribe needs, you know, this strong male leader, but
also this, you know, this loving, loving female leader who
can be strong as well. I definitely need to with me.
I have a mind of my own and I'm very
stubborn at times.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I always find the way my wife is like grounding
part of all this.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
So as goes and I don't I don't like to
put these terms to all this stuff, but I'm going
to because it's the best way to understand. Like, so,
what of you know, with your community, your tribe, and
let's call it what it is, right, your tribe the
Gray Horton Pagans, Yes, right, what is what would you
consider or say, like your faith lineage is like, where
(09:30):
is that personally rooted?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I say that is a very good question.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Because you have like Norse, Germanic, you have Celtic, You've
got all you know, but there and you stated in
your intro Northwest Europe, which is your home. I just
like to be able to, you know, build up.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Well, I'll say as a as a tribe, we are
quite eclectic. We have members of many many paths. Cool definitely, folks, Yeah, yeah,
we all, we all believe in similar things. Let's say
(10:18):
we have druids, we have Pagans. We have which is
we had but unfortunately, due to bad behavior, I had
to remove him. Someone who actually follows Mithros, which is
you know, knew very little about me Thrus before I'm
that guy. I love the I love that my tribe
(10:38):
is so eclectic because I get to learn a lot
from that as well. Having a community of just you know,
Germanic pagans from ours pagans. Yeah, that's that's great. But
you know, you're then it becomes like an echo chamber
and it's like, oh, you know I think.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
That, Yeah me too, Yeah me too, Yeah me too,
Okay the choir yeah cool, Like but have we learned anything. No,
not really, because we all think the same thing. So
started out really as focused on let's say Norse paganism,
because that is the most most well known, most accessible.
Wanted to learn about about the gods, wanted to learn
(11:13):
about our ancestral ways, how they practice their faith, how
they structured their communities over over the years. That for
me at least, it really went from just Scandinavia down
to Germania what is now more known as Germany.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Then I met people from another Dutch tribe, tribe with
the Fox. Amazing people there. You know, they do a
lot of deep research into like just the Netherlands. So
I've been, you know, I'm in contact with them a lot.
I've met up with them quite a few times, and
a few rituals with them, and they also make me
(11:55):
understand you know, like my ancestral path, my you know,
the true Dutch ancestral path a lot better. So yeah,
as a tribe, it went really from Norse pagan but
open to other things to now being very eclectic and
we all learn from each other. And I also very
much like that we have people who are you know,
(12:17):
let's say, incredibly new to the path who have just
heard of it. It's like, hey, I found out that,
you know, I have some Scandinavian or German or Dutch
blood or whatever, and I heard about these gods. You know,
can you guys tell me more because I don't know
anything about it. You know, we have those what I
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used to be at one time, and then we have
people who will I've been practicing for decades, you know,
twenty years, thirty years, and I still learned from from
them as well, you know, learn how it was back
in the you know, like the a's and seventies and
all of that, and how it has progressed over the years.
(13:01):
So yeah, even let's say, fifteen years onto the path,
I am still learning every day, learning from from the
newbies and learning from the veterans.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah. I've always said my audience is sick of sure,
but either way, I've always liked to surround myself with
like hearted people, not necessarily like minded, because yeah, like
you said, if we live in an echo chamber, all
we hear is ourselves, and that's dangerous, frankly.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, we've seen that over the years,
of course.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
So what does your terms, right, what does pagan revival
look like?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Bringing that up. Nice, you're actually the first one who
really brings up the Pagan revival.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
That's that's because it's it's a movement period, it is,
so it is, yeah, and to ignore stuff like that
is what good does that do? Nothing?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
So no, it's uh, yeah, the pagan Revival, as we
have coined, it is really people going back to their
ancestral path, to their their ancestral ways, finding the old
gods again, or the old gods finding them however you
want to put it. So we've seen over the years
(14:15):
that even in you know, a lot of archaeological find
some major discoveries have been made. Even recently here in
the Netherlands, a sort has been has been found in
a river, sort that hasn't been used in combat, but
was used as a as an offering, a very beautiful
intricate sort with all kinds of symbols engraved in it,
(14:42):
both Pagan and Christian symbols, so really showing a beautiful
syncretism between the two from you know, from that sort
and the you know, investigating and researching into the time period,
they have managed to discover that offering sorts or offering
weapons of some kind used to be a quite common
(15:03):
offering because they are you know, of course, very powerful items.
And if you inscribe them with these magical symbols and
you offer them to the gods by you know, either
placing them not necessarily throwing them, or placing them in
the river, which is you know, a very very powerful
source of energy. Of course, you know the river like
it always flows. You never step in the same river twice.
(15:29):
And I mean, like, what can go wrong with an
offering like that? That's incredibly incredibly powerful, incredibly beautiful, and
that's just archaeological discovering, you know, and especially from you know,
most of the guests that I have had on my
own show, my own podcast, I'd say that the true revival,
(15:52):
the true shift, happened during the pandemic because everyone's world's
just kind of shattered, you know, they they didn't know
what to believe anymore. Even the church said, you know,
like I don't want to install the church. I'm not
that kind of pagan. There are many unfortunately, I'm not
(16:13):
one of those. You know a lot of church churches,
like like if you've even seen banners, you know, like
Jesus can't say if you get the shot, it's like,
but then why why go to church? Why pray to him?
You know if even the church says, you know, get
the inoculation, No, you're you're supposed to be my you know,
(16:33):
the ones who save me right, like Jesus and God,
And so I get why many people over time left
left the church and its left them, left them wandering,
wandering both with like oh and they wandering and wondering.
And vote on Odin the well Father, the Supreme God,
(16:56):
if you will. He is the great wanderer. Many people
have found the gods. Many people of you know, especially
European ancestry, and Europeans themselves of course went back to
the ancestral ways because they felt like this is this
is it, you know, this is what my my ancestors practiced,
or you know, it's an unbroken lineage. Even there are few,
(17:18):
there are very few of those, but there are a
few unbroken lineages still and it just felt felt right
to them. And yeah, you know, there's this this big
revival going on of people, you know, like remembering their past,
you know, their their blood memory, if you will, coming
coming coming back to the service, I mean religion as
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a whole.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
As you know, I was just gonna say that, but
you said, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
No, religion as a whoways gained in popularity again because
it's basically the only thing that you can can really trust.
The other thing that really you know, will will forever
have your bad no matter what God really believe in.
I mean, I'm sure that your audience agrees that the
girl and.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I we can know they be really trust for surely.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
So yeah, I mean, the pagan revival is just it's
it's a part of this larger spiritual awakening. Yeah, with
my with my tribe, we we want to be a
place for the people who have found the ancestral ways,
who have come on the on the pagan path again.
And we're also doing a lot and finding a lot
(18:29):
of ways to revive our ancestral ways and really try
and figure out, like how can we live like our
ancestors did but in the twenty first century, because you know,
in a thousand years lot a lot has changed. You know,
a lot of things we can't do anymore, things we
don't have access to any more. So you know, how
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how do we do it? Basically the question how can
I be a twenty first century pagan? Because I mean,
I'd love to just go out and live in the woods. Unfortunately,
in you know, the year twenty twenty five, it's not
that feasible anymore. I can just go off and be like, hey, society,
you see you? Yeah, So okay, what what can I
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do in terms of rituals? Where where can I have
a ritual space? How do I perform rituals? First of all,
like also within legal boundaries so that I, you know,
my offerings don't have people knocking on my door that
I don't want knocking on my door. That's another thing
(19:39):
that has changed a lot, you know, the offerings, like
how do I do?
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Then?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
What what what do I offer? You know, does it
can like, for example, can be store bought? Is that
like an acceptable offering? Or do I have to make
it myself? Do I have to go out and you know,
like get it myself? So you know, the questions that
people may have that that I for sure have had
(20:05):
and you know still have. We're also, like I said,
trying to be the place for people to to find
those answers or that we collectively can come to an
answer that you know, and again, because we're so eclectic,
that doesn't have to be the same answer you know,
like what works for you doesn't have to work for me.
But we're trying to find find our way in the
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ancestral ways in the twenty four So.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
With that, how how do you use like rituals and
rings and crystal stones, metals and like other tools in
the community, Like how how does this come into your life,
like your everyday life.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Well, there are a lot of different things that that
you can do a lot of different ways in how
you can practice. Honestly, you don't even need tools for them,
just by being a good person. That's already you know
you're doing. But if you want to use tools, if
you feel, you know, it enhances the the experience. And
(21:05):
let's start with the with the ruins, which is very
very well known one and one that I've been going
into more lately, especially on my podcast and on my Patreon. Yeah,
well on my like first of all, on my microphone,
I have a I have a piece of bone with
one of the rooms carved into it, room representing leadership.
(21:27):
Got that from a from a friend of mine, friend
and fellow tribal member who makes his own runs as well,
and I it's you know, he really got me that
out of you know, out of respect and out of
love for for what I do. He really found a
place in the in the tribes. I'm really happy for him.
And you can use runs as you would use terrort
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cards for example. You know you can read the rooms.
You can grab your your back of rooms. Doesn't it
can be store bought, by the way, it's it's really
it's the intention that counts. Yeah, cats, if you want
to honor, I have to. I do that with a
with a buddy of mine every every Saturday, Like we
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do run and card readings and he does blind readings,
which I think is really awesome. So you know, he'll
pull a room and then you know, knowing what the
room represents, he'll you know, try to buy intuition, tell
you like, okay, this room, it represents this. And you know,
with your your question or the energy that you put
(22:29):
that you give out, it can like affect your your
life in these in these ways, or it can be
really as simple as using it in everyday life, using
rooms in in your cooking. Even yeah, I know, yeah
you gonna you're gonna be a good boy. O. Thank you.
You just knocked over my water bottle just now. And no,
(22:53):
but I've heard that from someone else is really a
kind of a household switch household pagan So what she
will do, for example, let's say, you know, especially in
these times, money's a little tight. We've all had that problem,
or we all know that problem, then you would use that.
The room that you would use for that is the
(23:16):
fay who room, the one that literally looks like the
letter F and you could, I don't know, like inscribe
it on a piece of paper and lay it under
your pillow so that you sleep on it every night,
pulling it, pulling the energy of the room into your
(23:36):
der subconscious, into your unconscious. If you like baking pies,
if you like baking bread, then in the dough before
you put it in the oven, you can carve a
little fay Whu room into it, so it literally gets
baked into the product. And then by consuming the product,
you are consuming the energy and the power of the
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fay Whu room for example. So very very simple things
it doesn't have to be have to be. That's that complicated, Yeah, no, exactly,
And that's that that's also one of the not the beautiful,
the beauty beautiful things about you know about paganism, like
it doesn't. That's what everybody always thinks. Of course, you know,
(24:18):
oh I have to have to just elaborate set up this,
you know, like thousand dollars altar with two thousand dollars
worth of stuff on there, and it's like, I'm sure,
like you can if you want to, but you don't
have to. Like my altar is literally my old desk
set up in the bedroom, and I have stuff that
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represents my my grandparents.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I have a wooden carving that my grandfather made. I
have like one of those those pocket watches that my grandmother,
grandfather from mother's side, always used to wear. I have
pictures of the kids on there. I I you know,
I do burn incense on there. I do burn sage
(25:05):
on there. But you know that is my that is
my alter. It's you know, it's pictures and items trinkets
that for me carry the the energy of of my family,
of my loved ones, and that's that's my alter. Most
of it didn't cost me anything because they were you know,
there were gifts, or they were pictures that you know,
(25:27):
like school pictures even, or pictures that you know, my
that the mother of my children make with their phone
them printed out and gave to me for for Father's
Day or or something.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Things that you give meaning.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yeah, yeah, exactly like that. That is the I'd say,
that's one of the more important aspects really, like it
has to have meaning to.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
You as well. That's the other.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Yeah, meaning intention, And you know, whatever that thing may
be that to you carries the meaning of intention. That
really doesn't matter. You know, it means something to you.
If it means something important to you, then like you
could say, it is already a spiritual or religious object
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in a way, just very very personal. It's also why
I know why I always wear the hammer or the
hammer author to you know, of course indicate that I
am a follower of the old ways. And it is
also something very very personal to me. It is like
literally after my morning shower, it's the first thing that
I put on, like not even clothes, no necklace comes first.
(26:41):
I feel I feel incomplete without it, you know, if
I'm not if I had a you know, if I
have a crazy chaotic morning for example, and I like,
you know, I go out the door and not wear it.
I've had that a few times. I just I don't
feel I don't feel comfortable. I don't feel myself, you know,
and I like subconsciously, I you know, I keep feeling
(27:05):
for it, to keep driving it. It's like, oh no, wait,
I'm not wearing his not wearing it right?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Absolutely? Yeah. One of my favorite characters in the book,
it's that the books are thereby Bernard Cornwell. I don't
know if you.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Know, I'm I'm familiar, familiar.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, his main character, Utred of Babenberg wars. Yeah, and
he'll never take it off no matter what. And it's
pretty funny, same same kind of thing because he just won't.
You know, this is what he is and this is
who he is, and that's what he believes, period. So
and no matter who tells him otherwise doesn't matter. So
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what are some of the biggest misconceptions about that?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I that's that's a very bigod question. It's like even
like when you look up pagan or paganism on on Google,
for example, one of the things that it'll say is
godless even like, which.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Is it's a it's a co opted or I kind
of look at it as like a hijacked word. But
that's one of the reasons, Like I wonder why it's
still used. But whatever, I maybe you can explain it
for the lack of the lack of another word. Maybe
like like so, as a Christian, we call angels angels,
(28:34):
but angels isn't they're not angels there there, it's a
job title. Actually, yeah, so pagan.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Just it's it's just uh, well, it's it's a name
that was that was given to to the people of course,
you know, coming from the Latin paganas, which means you know,
outsider or you know nature, nature worshiper, someone who who
(29:03):
lives outside the city, who lives outside of outside of society,
you know, who lives in nature, who lives in the woods,
on a farm, you know, anything like that. So really,
if you boil it can be boiled down to someone
who is still in touch with nature. That's why it
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always has why it's another thing that people will say,
you know, paganism. You know, it's it's a it's a
broken lineage, it's a it's a broken religion. You know,
it's not continuous, and I mean it it is otherwise
you know, in the year twenty twenty five, I definitely
(29:50):
wouldn't be a pagan if it is indeed, you know,
a dead religion or a broken religion of any kind.
It is just mostly worships. Uh. Now, in in nature,
you know the the gods were are now are these
these forces of nature? Are these uh? You know these
(30:12):
archetypical beings that you will find in in nature. You know,
Thor is the god of thunder. He is the god
of strength. So you know, a thunderstorm to us is
for riding through the heavens. You know, a I don't know,
like a lead level powerlifter, you know, has channeling the
(30:36):
the strength of Thor for example. And one other misconception
that a lot of the well, let's say, uneducated Christian
audience has is that we are devil worshipers, which couldn't
be further from the truth. We don't even acknowledge the
existence of the devil. Yeah, we have our malicious entities
(31:02):
and divine beings that cause havoc, if you will, But
we are not a devil worshipers and have every devil
worshiper that calls themselves pagan or every pagan that calls
themself devil worshiper doesn't know what he's what he's talking about,
because those two they do not go go hand in hands.
One is definitely not like the other. We are respectors
(31:26):
of nature. We are lovers of nature. We are the
keepers of nature and the and the natural forces. That is,
that's really what it's what it you know. We we
know we don't go to go to church every Sunday.
If we want to honor our gods, we go outside. Really,
(31:46):
if we truly want to be one with our gods,
we can go into the woods. If you want to
feel this connection to the Dutch goddess n Helenia for example,
who was the goddess of the seafarers and sea trade,
you know, you can go out on the ocean and
experience the power and also you know the vastness of
the ocean that will bring you in contact or will
(32:09):
bring you easier in contact with the goddess ne Hellenia
for example. Doesn't mean that we don't have our own temples,
that we've never had our own temples. We definitely do,
but they are for the bigger celebrations, for the for
the equinoxes, for example, when you know, the whole the
whole town or like several towns and tribes come together
(32:31):
and you know, celebrate the the returning of the sun
or the returning of spring, or you know, on the
thirty first of December, the you know we celebrate the
new year. That is when we'll go to to a temple,
(32:53):
because it's just it's a gathering place. It's a gathering
place for worship, not something that we go to every
Sunday or something that you have to go to to
be able to connect to your gods. We also don't
really have any religious texts. Like the Christians would have
the Bible, for example, the Judaeis would have the Torah,
(33:17):
the islam has the Kuran. We don't really have that.
We have stories. We have stories of our gods, we
have stories of our ancestors, we have the stories of
the heroes of old, and in those stories are woven
the lessons that we are supposed to supposed to learn.
(33:40):
Our woven the the archetypes that that teach us, the
archetypes that show us the ways of the world.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
So let's expand on that, just to touch So you've
got probably the most well known type of things that
someone would consider a pagan story would be the sagas. Right.
What beyond that, though, is there just if you have
some examples.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
One very known example is the story of Beowulf. That
is a very known, very well known pagan story. The
story of the Nibe Lullan, it's a very well known
Germanic story. I'm not sure who the main character is,
but it's it's this layer of the dragon, you know
that that archetype which has been the story Niber Lullan.
(34:32):
It's it's a Germanic German, Germanic Gairman. Yeah, you could
even say that, although that is more more Southern European.
Of course. The Trials and Tribulations and the works of
Hercules or Heraclass as his actual Greek name is, those
are pagan stories as well. The stories of the Grim Brothers,
(34:56):
those are ancestral stories even into fairy tales, first of all,
because they make you know, for really really good stories.
And also if then someone who considers themselves of a
higher religious nature comes a knocking and says like, hey,
you are telling stories that you're not supposed to be telling.
(35:18):
You know, of the old gods, of the old demons
or whatever. You can you can tell them like no, no, no, no,
they're kids tills. I mean, you know, the true grim stories.
I always like to say, like there's a reason why
they're called grim it's a good thing that Disney like
kind of make them appropriate for kids, because wow, but
(35:42):
you know, those are ancestral stories. Again, in those stories,
you can find the archetypes, you can find the lessons.
You know, the beautiful story of Ariel for example, you
know the Little Mermaid. It's you know, a story of
well really being being careful with with what you wish
for because you know, yes, you you may get what
(36:02):
you want, but definitely at a price, which is a
story that you know, like you and and your audience
as Christians will also you know, recognize very much. And
we have that in the pagan stories as well. We
have that in our ancestral stories as well, I say,
the stories of of Troy, of stories of the of
(36:23):
the Odyssey. I could even go as far as to
say that the Divine comedy Aligery, the Divine Comedy has
a pagan touch to it. I definitely like that. You know,
he gave us our own sort of heavenly realm, like
a bit of a bit of a lesser heaven, but
still haven't. It's like, thanks, Like, I like that much
(36:47):
much better than oh, like you're pagan, you're going to
go to hell. Okay, thanks heard that. So I've heard
that so many times by now.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
So tell us a little bit about what you got,
like your your community, meaning like what's the best place
is to find you and and and all that type
of stuff, like your podcast, your website.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Yeah, of course, our main website would be UW dot
greyhornpagans dot com. It's really where everything is located, where
you can find our like I want to say, our
podcast because it's you know, it's a tribal efforts. I mean,
I mostly host it, I do all the editing, but
it's a tribal podcast. What you can find on YouTube
(37:38):
and of course all the bigger audio platforms. The place
where we're most active, where the most most chatting really happens,
is on Telegram, t dot, m E for slash, Greyhorn Pagans.
It's it's a smaller, smaller amount of people there, you know,
(37:59):
not in the in the thousands, but definitely the people
that are active in there, that do chat a lot
in there. We have created this this close knit community.
As a matter of fact, a few weeks ago, I
actually met with a few of my podcast friends who
are also at least no I believe all of them
(38:19):
are now also part of the tribe. And that was
just you know, this this beautiful gathering. One of the
guys absolutely loving, love him to death, robbed from this
organized productions. You know, he even has his he is
a staff created for himself and inscribed his name in
(38:39):
runik so rido oala bergana rob. He called his his car.
He's a he's a nomad actually, so he lives out
of his car, which is I mean respect, you know,
leaving living the nomadic life. My five. That's a no,
(39:01):
not not even a fan. It's not even a fan,
but it's it's similar to that. He's just yes, is
big ass falvo, like really really powerful powerful car fulvos,
you know, just I mean if you're tired of you know,
German medal by some Swedish techno, it's yeah, it's really good.
And he called his car Regnar because he also he
(39:23):
is this like I already predicted that he was going
to be bigger than me, and he's like, you know,
he's half a half a hat bigger than that I am.
And he's strong. He's also this this true Viking I
was it was just it was a great, great get
together and I I always encourage that with our members
as well. You know, whether you're you know, you live
(39:43):
here in the Netherlands or or Germany or States, or
you could be you could be a Kiwi, you know
from New Zealand. For for all I care nowadays, you know,
it's these it's those those personal or in person meetups
that are so incredibly import That's why I try to
to join a lot of a lot of rituals as well.
(40:07):
I I recently actually joined a kind of a ritual
slash therapy kind of thing, breath ritual breath circle like
right here in my hometown actually, like I don't know,
and and the end of the street here pretty much
(40:27):
because you know, it's you're you're still part of a
of a larger community. And also with the tribe, we
you know, we're we're friends. We're in contact with a
lot of other communities as well, especially the the bush
(40:47):
Whisperer shaman shaman living in South Africa, really a Eastern
spiritual shaman. He does a a round table every every Saturday,
and a lot of from members you know, join or
or have joined on on that roundtable. And I think
that is also, you know, very important that as a
(41:08):
as a community, as a tribe, you know, connect with
with others as well, connect with other you know, other tribes,
other spiritual communities, other pagan communities, because like that is
it's it's a you know, a very human thing to do.
Of course, we're always looking for for that connection, and
(41:28):
I mean from from all the other groups like you
can learn as well, and you know, maybe some of
your members will join them, some of their members will
will join you. And there's always this this interplay, this
this interaction between the tribes and communities, and most of
them that we do engage with regularly you can also
find on on our website. I'd always try to promote
(41:50):
the others as well that I am, I'm very well
befriended with. And yeah, I hope to join a ritual again.
In September, we just had the Midsummer Fest, of course,
which I joined at it. I mean technically it's an
open air museum geared towards like Dutch history, but they
(42:14):
do a lot of these these amazing events which attract
a whole lot of people from all different walks of life,
and you know, from Pagans to you know, the the
spiritual and lighten people to I mean nothing bad about them,
but you know Larper's live action role players who are
just in it for quite liberally, you know, the fun
and games, you know, all the power to them, they're
(42:36):
still in a way, you know, still harnessing the energy,
harnessing the power. Is just it's roleplay for them, which
is cool. Something that they do on the weekends and
that they can lose themselves in. That's you know, it's amazing.
That's see. Even that is a good gateway like to
the actual thing, like from the weekends to always really.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
What are the holidays and that's such a you know,
if we want to clone holidays, it's just a placeholder.
So what you know, what would be the things that
you guys, Yeah, holidays, the celebration ritual time, celebrations, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
I mean ritual times is really you know, anytime. Yeah,
let's see, like we have the the four Big Ones
of course, which is the celebration of the the coming
back of nature, the spring equinox, which is on the
(43:37):
twenty first of March or anywhere between the let's say
the twentieth two to twenty third. It's usually like a
three day window and we go by the by the
moon cycles, so it's usually either like from the first
full moon or the first new moon, kind of depending,
(43:57):
so like the day after the day of, or the
day before, the day off and the day after, because
it's in that three day period when when the moon
when nature is you know, and it's at its strongest,
when the energies are most powerful. You know, if you
feel like doing a ritual, if you feel like asking
the divine however you you want to call it, however
you wish to see it, if you want to ask,
(44:21):
it's for something like do it on those days like
success pretty much guaranteed we have, which is of course
also very important. What what I just mentioned, what we
just had Midsummer, which is you know, when when we've
had when we're on the the halfway point of of
(44:43):
the year, it's from Midsummer that the days become shorter
again and the nights become longer again. It is the
you know, the darkness again winning or partially temporary temporarily
winning over the light. It is you know, it is night. Yeah, yeah,
(45:06):
it's you know, it's Balder returning to Hellheim, it's Persephone
returning back to Hades. Then we have suren's that's really
the the Celtic name, but my wife as Celtic lineages,
so that's what we use. Better known as Halloween of course,
the spookiest time of year, but that is also because
(45:29):
that is when the the veil, let's say, between this
world and the next is thinnest, which you will see
in a lot of cultures, a lot of cultures think
I think the same things. Similarly, that's one of the
reasons why my my wife and her son, my my
steps on there are they're absolutely mad about the Disney
(45:50):
Pixar movie Coco because that portrays the the Theos Day
of the Dead from from Mexico. It portrays it like
absolutely beautifully. So she also has a tendency to, you know,
call my altar my friend, and it's like, no, honey,
it's my altar, but sure whatever you like, hell of
you anyway. That is, you know, of course, very very important.
(46:12):
That is the Pagan New Year, if you will, having
New Years in December. If you look at it, you know,
like astrologically and from the seasons and everything doesn't really
make sense. It's not really the end of anything, you know,
like winter still continue goes on for like two months,
so we celebrate of course the winter equinox when like
(46:32):
slowly but surely the days are becoming longer again, which
is from the twenty first the twenty fourth of December.
Our Christmas, let's say, is Yule, which we celebrate from well,
we actually have like multiple days of Mule, you know,
the ten days of Christmas used to be the ten
Days of Yule. Even when it eventually turned into Christmas,
(46:56):
it was still like actually ten days that we celebrate
it just the two that we have now. But that
ends on the first full moon of January, which is
usually i want to say, in sixth of January, so
that is our our New Years.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
The name.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Well slips my mind, you'll you'll celebration and those are
really the the major ones. And then we you know,
of course, have like we very much go by the
moon cycle, so you know, with the full moon, the
new moon, the harvest moon. We tend to to want
(47:42):
to do you know, bigger, more more important rituals, if
you will, so you know, if a if we want
something new, or if we need more more guidance on
a particular thing, if we're going through a you know,
(48:03):
especially a hard time, you know, we try to, you know,
do a ritual and ask the gods for for a favor,
ask the gods for for guidance on those loon days,
on those those those bigger days.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Something that that's studying, I would say lately, is this
concept of the thirteen months and a year by well,
the lunar, the lunar calendar, and it seems like the
most natural thing, right it is how how we how
we've as a world, and not every society subscribes to
(48:42):
the calendar that we follow here in the West, but
how we went from and that's what I'll call it
the most natural calendar that there is, which is the
lunar calendar, in my opinion, And I get a lot
of flat for that, but whatever the rest of it's
kind of a human construct to an extent, right, not
(49:04):
not all of it, but the lunar calendar makes a
lot of sense. I don't understand why, even like by
it biologically circadian wise, it's the most natural calendar there is.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Yeah, definitely, I mean especially for you know, for for
the women, especially you know, for the wives, they're they're
a menstrual cycle. I mean, you get there's a play
on words. You could call it the Moonstrael cycle because it,
you know, aligns well naturally. Sure, sure, you know the
(49:38):
the like I said, you know the three days, you know,
day before, day of day after, some somewhere in there,
or you know, in those those days, it usually lines up.
And that's why I you know why I always like
that in the the older religions. You know, the sun
is a very masculine type of energy. Well then the
(50:00):
boon is this, you know, this beautiful, beautiful feminine energy,
and it you know, it pretty it lines up. And yeah,
the thirteen month calendar.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Even the names, even the names line up with complete
change of the entire paradigm, right.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Yeah, you know in the Latin language that we still
use for for a lot of.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
It's December, for example, would be the tenth month, not
actually you know, I mean just by those words.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Right, yeah, it is October.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
October day eight.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
So even though we still kind of hold on to these,
even the days of the week are mostly pagan names, right.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
They are like literally on Wednesday, it's it's Tuesday through
Friday that are literally named after Yeah, no after.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
I don't think people realize this. And one of the
things I mean again, I I told you we started
this off. You know, I've been studying I guess you
would call it pagan mythology since I was a kid.
But have you ever seen the show American Gods.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
I have heard of it, I've not. I've not seen it,
nor have I ever read the book. I'm familiar with
the with the author and you gain. But I was just.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
The reason I use that as an example is because
the main character's name is mister Wednesday because it's their
depiction of Odin, right.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
So yeah, yeah, it's Wednesday, Woden's Day.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah. Yeah, So I just thought i'd interject all that.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
No, no, yet, it's still alive.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
And what I mean, like the pagan the remnants of
pagan culture, religion, all of it, They're still very alive
in our world.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
Even in Christianity. There is a lot of pagan and
a lot of pagan customs to to be found. I always,
I always get a lot of the ship for saying this,
but I'm sorry, it's true. Like you have the Trinity
for example, you know Father's on the Holy Ghost. It's
that's really it's a pagan thing. Like so many of
our gods and our goddesses are part of a of
(52:20):
a trinity. You know, just three is it's one of
the the more more natural numbers. More three seven that
there's a few of them, yeah, three, uh you know
three six nine. If you want to go by Tesla
actual Tesla, yeah, Nicola, yeah, yeah that guy. Absolutely you
(52:40):
are no, definitely not no. And and even you know,
the concept of Hell is trining an amalgamation between two
two pagan things, because we have a realm called Hell.
We have a realm called hellie it is the the underworlds.
But it's not necessarily it's one of one of the
three l of Hell. Actually there go again. It's just
(53:03):
it's a place where you go when you die a
let's say, unhonorable death, you know, dishonorable, just unhonorable, and
like you die of old age or sickness or you
just go. That's when you end up in Hell or Hellheim.
And it's not this this terrible place, it's not this
this incredibly beautiful place either, but it's just it's it's there.
(53:28):
It's where your it's where your spirits, where your energy lives.
On's where your ancestors are. It's just, you know, it's
just there. But then you know, the fire and brimstone,
and you know fields of fire or lakes of fire. Sorry,
(53:50):
that's in my mind. That is really taken from got
to say this right from Muspelheim. The realm of eternal fire,
the realm of of ancient fire that you know exists
within Northern Northern mythology. It is one of the realms
(54:10):
that came together with Niffelheim, the realm of eternal eyes,
of ancestral ice, primordial that's that's the word I was
looking for, primordial fire, primordial ice, the game together in
this realm gnunga gap, which is the Vesica Pisces, which
is representing of a whole lot of other things. Of course,
from that everything really emerged. You know, the first primordial
(54:36):
beings emerged in the primordial cow, the primordial ice ice giant.
You know, they've taken a lot of The Christian Church
has taken a lot of pagan elements and made it
their own. There even this is an example that I
always use, but because it's it's such a you know,
amazing example. The goddess, the Celtic goddess Bridget is now
(54:58):
a Catholic saint. They just kind of changed up her backstory,
so that now in some way a Celtic goddess was
involved with the birth of Christ.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
There's so much of it that of the church. And
that's what I'd like to say, the church so much
of well it could because that their competition. And if
you look at the church as a as a as
an entity, right or like a let's call it a business, right,
because that's what it is. If you look at it
(55:36):
as a business, then they have to compete with the
other business, which would be you know, pagan yea. And
with that then they have to co opt and twist
and turn things into their own lexicon so then they
(55:56):
can get their followers to follow them. With that, it
makes it an easier transition, right.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
So that that too, Yes, absolutely, and they and it's
you know good that you say the church like, I
definitely agree with that. I think Christianity as a religion,
as a as a spiritual path. That does this coming
from me as someone who's been on the pagan path
for you know, let's say fifteen years. I think Christianity
as a religion as a spiritual path, that Christ as
(56:25):
a as a teacher. There is so much value to it.
It's such a it is such a beautiful mystery school.
It is you know, Christ was such a powerful, well
mystic really is what he was, shaman even almost. But
(56:50):
it is the it is the Church. It is the
the the dogma that you know, I have a haven't
aversion against. That's that's why you know, I said, like,
I'm not one of those those Christian hating pagans. It's
what I've learned over time that there is really this
(57:12):
divide between between the religion, between the spiritual essence and
the church. And it is the Church indeed, that has
co opted so much. First of all, because it's kind
of the funny they it couldn't. I mean, they they
got a bit of a foothold of course in Germany
and Scandinavia. But the people just started worshiping Christ alongside
(57:37):
the rest of the gods because you know, they heard
his story about you know, you know, his teachings and
death and resurrection, and they were like, U sounds you know,
sounds like he's like a powerful god like we have.
You know, we have beings like like that as well.
He'll just you know, he'll fit right in. So they'd
worship Jesus alongside Odin or alongsight for and then you know,
(58:01):
the church saw that and was like, oh, hold up,
what are you doing. We're worshiping Jesus, like you said,
sounds like a it sounds like a powerful god. Yep,
fit's right in No, no, no, no, you're supposed to just
worship him. Why that doesn't make any sense. So it
didn't even it didn't click for them. You know, it's
(58:23):
like the only one. No, no, he's not the only one.
I mean, look aside, he's not the only one. Like literally,
we had the sun, we had the sky, the river, everything,
Like you're telling me that it is like separate from
all of that, no way, So then they have to
had to play these these dirty tricks as well. You know,
like people who were declared outlaw, for example, the only
(58:47):
place that they were truly safe, truly safe from persecution
was in the church. So as an outlaw, as someone
who was declared outlaw, you know, rule laws, doesn't you know,
it doesn't apply to you anymore. Just come into the church.
You'll be safe here, you know, Like really those kind
(59:10):
of dirty party tactics like and and it's it really
it says a lot about the about the church as well,
and I want to really emphasize like the Church as
as an entity in and of itself. It says a
lot that they have to lower themselves to those kind
of you know, kind of tactics of kind of those
kind of dirty plays to you know, get the people
(59:33):
to worship Christ and worship, you know, worship their God.
And like, yeah, I agree with with with our ancestors
that you know, Jesus as as a mythological figure, as
a spiritual teacher, as a mystic, if fits right in
the pantheon, if it's right in as a ghaman, as
a mystic, as a teacher, his teachings are beautiful, are
(59:56):
are are wonderful, are definitely once that you know that
you should live by. But that's you know, as as
a religion, that is, as a as a spiritual path.
I do believe that, Yeah, you know absolutely that works
for you. Do it, But don't you know, don't give
your your energy, don't give your power to the church
(01:00:19):
because they are they're in it for themselves.
Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
So kind of to wrap us up two things, So
where do you want to take your tribe the podcast?
Like what are your goals going forward?
Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Well, first of all, I am really really working to
get my my YouTube channel monetized. I am that easy?
Oh no, but I am. I am so I'm so close,
Like at time of recording, i am at nine seventy
(01:00:59):
eight seventy eight subscribers, so literally just twenty two or
to go. And that's that's just where I want to
take the channel. Where I want to to take the podcast, Like,
I'm putting so much time and effort and money into
it that you know, getting getting a little out of
it as well would be would be nice. I'm not
expecting to become rich from or through podcasting. That's not happening,
(01:01:24):
of course.
Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
I mean it can happen, but it's enorm.
Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
In the the pagan spiritual niche, it's it's a little
harder really, like I I'm no, I'm not Joe Rogan unfortunately.
And where I want to take the tribe. I've actually
been in talks with someone that I met on another
podcast that I am involved with at least I joined
in later across the pond, a couple of Brits and
(01:01:49):
a duchy. It's a it's a good combo. He is
part of a of a community that really managed to
separate themselves from society, like they have their own like
their own currency, which is basically just trade like bordering trades,
you know, item for item, service for service. They have
(01:02:10):
their their own law enforcement, and they are really seeking
to expand that. That is what I've been working on
with me and a friend, like my right hand man
within the tribe. We have been working to that for
for a lot of years as well, to really make
the tribe its own, its own entity and to preferably
(01:02:33):
have a place for ourselves at the very least independently
from society. So now that I have found someone or
have you know, I've managed to make contact with someone
who is part of a community like that I am
working on and you know, talking about having the tribe
(01:02:53):
be be part of that community so that we may
you know, one step closer to really be our own
independent tribe. And that is also why I'm putting so
much effort into you know, into the podcast, into my channel,
into the into the tribe as a whole. Like I
(01:03:14):
have I've often said that I have, you know, two
full time jobs, one that I love, which is you know,
my channel, which is the podcast, and one that pays
the bills. Yes, and I would absolutely love to know
if for the the full time job that I have
that I love doing, which is podcasting, which is you know,
creating content, which is you know, busying myself with the tribe,
(01:03:36):
I would love for that to pay my bills as well.
And I am. I am getting closer every every week.
I am getting closer every every month. And I have
well made a deal with myself really that I don't
stop until it is so and my cat seems to recreate,
(01:04:00):
So yeah, that is That's really what I've been I've
been working on at least in private online kind of
offline as well, by participating in no community events and
community rituals, et cetera. I'm not just expending my my connections,
but also you know, expending my mind, expending my own experiences,
(01:04:23):
and it's it's a lot of work, but I love
doing it. And that's why I'm trying to to do
more guest spots on other podcasts as as well, especially
now that to me, not everyone has to see that,
thank you, especially now that you know I'm kind of
(01:04:43):
like my my guests have kind of dried up at
the at the moment, Like I have a full time job,
I have two kids, two cats, this this being the
one that requires the most attention and most work. I
do love him, though I don't really have the time
anymore to like actively go out and look for for guests,
(01:05:07):
et cetera. And also because I just I love telling
my story. I love telling about my ancestors, about my path,
about the gods. I love chariot, I love storytelling. I mean,
I'm a pagan. It's what we what we do. We
are storytellers. So yeah, it's a it's a lot of
it's a lot of work, a lot of effort, a
lot of time, but I I love doing it and
(01:05:29):
I love you know, I love seeing the results, and
I'm not going to stop until I have the you know,
I've reached the desired results, and then I'm gonna keep
going to well to keep it like that and to
to further it, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
So again, tell everyone where they could find you.
Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
My my YouTube channel is YouTube dot com forward slash
at Stein Fox might use the name that you'll find everywhere,
that you'll find me everywhere. Main side for the Grand
Pagans is ww dot Grayhornpagans dot com on my channel
to podcasts, of course, the video podcasts. I do standalone
(01:06:14):
videos every every Thursday. I try to do them every Thursday.
It's a lot of work, you know, because I do
narrate and added everything myself. It's a really a one
man show. Well, a friend of mine does narration every
now and then sometimes as well. He's starting to get
good at it. That saves me a couple hours narrating.
I just do the script and the editing. Then let's
(01:06:36):
see patreon dot com for Stays, Groan Pagans where you
can get of course early access to all the podcasts.
I have a book club on there as well. Currently
reading The Night Side of the Rooms, which is really interesting.
It's kind of more you know, the ruins, but the
from the the left hand path perspective, the night side,
(01:06:58):
which is a really fascinating perspective. Also kind of going
into how the the layout of the rooms as we
think we know it, you know futhark which is literally
the first letter of the rooms put together, that that
is not the right order, that it's actually and that
(01:07:19):
Fai who comes last. That was one of the chapters.
And when I read read through it and like kind
of you start to understand, and it was like, yeah,
that is that makes a lot more more sense in
this regard, and especially on the book club, I try
to I try to keep it pure, like I'm reading
(01:07:39):
it for the first time as I am recording it.
So everything that's like, all my reactions and all my
wonder and ahalla moments are not scripted. I know that
you know a thing. Among YouTubers and influences, it's like
this is all so real and definitely not scripted. So
and I do pride myself on that that you know,
(01:08:01):
everything is, everything is genuine, Everything is like a true
interest of mine. And I'm just fortunate enough that you know,
other people have the same same interests. So yeah, YouTube,
Stein Fox, Instagram, Great or Pagans, Tar Pagans, Guer Pagans Podcast.
Just look up Great Pagans and you'll you'll find us
(01:08:23):
who are really We're worthy, the true We're the true
gray worn greer or Pagan's, the true eclectic tribe of
of beings, of people, of souls.
Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Steinfergs, thanks for coming.
Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
On, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Yeah, for sure, and we'll talk so.
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Speaker 2 (00:58):
Tell us who you are and what you do.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
For sure. My name is Stein. I go by Stein
Fox on the Internet. That's the name I've chosen when
I was this radical activist in my early twenties. I
have grown up since I am a Dutch born Germanic
pagan I follow the old gods of Northern Europe and
northwestern Europe to be specific, close to home. I am
(01:24):
a podcaster, content creator, tribal leader. I have my own tribe, founded,
my own tribe, and of course most importantly, I am
a husband and father, my kids, two kids, daughter and
a son.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
They're the best man. Yeah, for sure. I've got four daughters,
so I get oh yeah, that's a whole other episode.
So one of the first things I like to ask
my guests is what what was your gate like? What
got you into this? What was your gateway to this
entire world that you live in now?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Well, I I've always been interested in history. I always
liked the stories. I loved listening to the stories that
my father told me about his youth, about the stories
that he told me about his father how he lived,
and the stories of the war and all of that.
(02:24):
You know, the stories of our ancestors, how they lived
and all. It's all been very, very fascinating. And so
that's that's one, definitely one part of it. And I
wasn't necessarily raised religiously as many many are, of course,
but I've always been raised let's say, around religion. Both
(02:45):
my grandparents or or my grandparents really from both my
mother's and father's side, were religious. They were Roman Catholics,
So you know, I went to church, said the prayers
before every meal, before going to bed. So I've always
been around that, at least always thought the the imagery
(03:05):
was incredibly beautiful. Still, do you know whenever I go
to a to a church, the stained glass windows and
all the art, I think it's you know, it's absolutely amazing,
absolutely beautiful, horrific story, beautiful art. Yeah, so I I
guess it really started in my my twenties. You know,
I had a bit of a bit of a spiritual awakening,
(03:27):
a dark night of the soul as they like to
call it in the more spiritual circles. I got incredibly back,
black pilled. I was like very depressed because like, oh
my God, like I am powerless. I cannot do anything
because everything is controlled. There was a that period in
my life sucked quite bad. You know, I didn't feel
like getting a job because you know, like why would
(03:49):
I work if it's you know, not going to get
me anywhere. Buss makes a dollar, I make a dime,
all that kind of shit, and I'm not gonna go
anywhere because there's a glass ceiling and I have to
sell out, and you know, the fuss you have in
your early twenties, and then like.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Slowly, especially did you go to college?
Speaker 3 (04:05):
No, No, I've always did trade school.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, I was just well either way, you did something
after primary school, right, Yeah, for sure. It seems to
be the definitely in their twenties, they're like, what in
the heck? Yeah, especially within the last ten years, I understand,
get it.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
So yeah, well no, it's okay, I mean not thirty
three years old. So in the last ten years it's
about right. Yeah, yeah, ten fifteen years, and slowly but
surely kind of religion made its way back into my life.
More animism to be to be specific, pretty much like
an all encompassing kind of spirituality. It is not really
(04:43):
a religion. Animism is basically, you know, God is in everything,
and everything has a touch of the divine. And it
wasn't until History Fightings, actually, the TV show that is
of course still very very hollywoods you know, it's a
it's a lot more dark and grimy than the actual history.
(05:07):
But that really sparked something in me. Then, something about
the the warrior culture, the the honor culture, the deep
spirituality of it all is how it was portrayed, at
least whenever I was I was watching it, I was like, yeah,
like this this this is this is it. This is
(05:31):
what I feel. You know, I've always had this strong
sense of of justice, always the strong sense of needing
to you know, defend my loved ones, defend myself, which
comes in very andy with a you know, warrior culture,
warrior warri warrior religion. And I began exploring further and
(05:57):
began to to read more, began to read the story
of the Das, the pros ed poetic Eda, you know,
the few stories that have remained from from our past,
from our ancestral past, because it was was all oral traditions.
So once the oral traditions died, and everything else pretty
(06:19):
much dies. And I have grown a lot since then,
so I've discovered a lot more. Been in like several groups,
several communities, always learned learned a lot from them that
some some good people, some less good people. Unfortunately, and
(06:43):
at a certain point, I think it was well pretty
much right before I met my wife, so that's like
five five years ago now, like just before the whole
pandemic thing kicked off. I was getting tired of you know,
not getting what I what I need in those different communities,
(07:05):
and you know, growing too popular and then being kind
of a threat for the admins of getting you know,
booted out or worked out every time. And I was like, yeah,
come on, I'm getting so tired of this. So that's
when my wife and I decided that, you know what,
we're just we're gonna do this ourselves. We're gonna, you know,
but really do it properly. So we're not going to
(07:27):
call it the community. We're actually gonna call it and
make it a tribe, you know, because that's our ancestors lived.
There was tribal living, these little communities, little villages, and
yeah that really has has grown and has been through
several changes as most you know, tribes and communities do.
A tribe with the Great Hearnt Pagans, it is called.
(07:49):
Yeah that really well, you know, being my own tribal leader,
own community leader, has taught me a lot as well.
Definitely made some mistakes, but you know, the the thing
is that you know, you can make mistakes as long
as you learn from them. I have definitely learned from them. Luckily,
my wife keeps me, keeps me straight as well, I
(08:13):
mean good things hopefully. Yeah, I know a good thing too.
I'd be like just an unguided projectile, just you know,
being everywhere, going everywhere, long live, having fun, responsibility for
responsibility with all the things attached to it that are
that's fun. So she keeps me, keeps me straight, keeps
me grounded, and she is really the well, she's my
(08:37):
my female counterpart. What you know, I believe that a community,
a tribe needs, you know, this strong male leader, but
also this, you know, this loving, loving female leader who
can be strong as well. I definitely need to with me.
I have a mind of my own and I'm very
stubborn at times.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I always find the way my wife is like grounding
part of all this.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah yeah, yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
So as goes and I don't I don't like to
put these terms to all this stuff, but I'm going
to because it's the best way to understand. Like, so,
what of you know, with your community, your tribe, and
let's call it what it is, right, your tribe the
Gray Horton Pagans, Yes, right, what is what would you
consider or say, like your faith lineage is like, where
(09:30):
is that personally rooted?
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I say that is a very good question.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Because you have like Norse, Germanic, you have Celtic, You've
got all you know, but there and you stated in
your intro Northwest Europe, which is your home. I just
like to be able to, you know, build up.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Well, I'll say as a as a tribe, we are
quite eclectic. We have members of many many paths. Cool definitely, folks, Yeah, yeah,
we all, we all believe in similar things. Let's say
(10:18):
we have druids, we have Pagans. We have which is
we had but unfortunately, due to bad behavior, I had
to remove him. Someone who actually follows Mithros, which is
you know, knew very little about me Thrus before I'm
that guy. I love the I love that my tribe
(10:38):
is so eclectic because I get to learn a lot
from that as well. Having a community of just you know,
Germanic pagans from ours pagans. Yeah, that's that's great. But
you know, you're then it becomes like an echo chamber
and it's like, oh, you know I think.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
That, Yeah me too, Yeah me too, Yeah me too,
Okay the choir yeah cool, Like but have we learned anything. No,
not really, because we all think the same thing. So
started out really as focused on let's say Norse paganism,
because that is the most most well known, most accessible.
Wanted to learn about about the gods, wanted to learn
(11:13):
about our ancestral ways, how they practice their faith, how
they structured their communities over over the years. That for
me at least, it really went from just Scandinavia down
to Germania what is now more known as Germany.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Then I met people from another Dutch tribe, tribe with
the Fox. Amazing people there. You know, they do a
lot of deep research into like just the Netherlands. So
I've been, you know, I'm in contact with them a lot.
I've met up with them quite a few times, and
a few rituals with them, and they also make me
(11:55):
understand you know, like my ancestral path, my you know,
the true Dutch ancestral path a lot better. So yeah,
as a tribe, it went really from Norse pagan but
open to other things to now being very eclectic and
we all learn from each other. And I also very
much like that we have people who are you know,
(12:17):
let's say, incredibly new to the path who have just
heard of it. It's like, hey, I found out that,
you know, I have some Scandinavian or German or Dutch
blood or whatever, and I heard about these gods. You know,
can you guys tell me more because I don't know
anything about it. You know, we have those what I
(12:39):
used to be at one time, and then we have
people who will I've been practicing for decades, you know,
twenty years, thirty years, and I still learned from from
them as well, you know, learn how it was back
in the you know, like the a's and seventies and
all of that, and how it has progressed over the years.
(13:01):
So yeah, even let's say, fifteen years onto the path,
I am still learning every day, learning from from the
newbies and learning from the veterans.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah. I've always said my audience is sick of sure,
but either way, I've always liked to surround myself with
like hearted people, not necessarily like minded, because yeah, like
you said, if we live in an echo chamber, all
we hear is ourselves, and that's dangerous, frankly.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
So yeah, yeah, yeah, we've seen that over the years,
of course.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
So what does your terms, right, what does pagan revival
look like?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Bringing that up. Nice, you're actually the first one who
really brings up the Pagan revival.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
That's that's because it's it's a movement period, it is,
so it is, yeah, and to ignore stuff like that
is what good does that do? Nothing?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
So no, it's uh, yeah, the pagan Revival, as we
have coined, it is really people going back to their
ancestral path, to their their ancestral ways, finding the old
gods again, or the old gods finding them however you
want to put it. So we've seen over the years
(14:15):
that even in you know, a lot of archaeological find
some major discoveries have been made. Even recently here in
the Netherlands, a sort has been has been found in
a river, sort that hasn't been used in combat, but
was used as a as an offering, a very beautiful
intricate sort with all kinds of symbols engraved in it,
(14:42):
both Pagan and Christian symbols, so really showing a beautiful
syncretism between the two from you know, from that sort
and the you know, investigating and researching into the time period,
they have managed to discover that offering sorts or offering
weapons of some kind used to be a quite common
(15:03):
offering because they are you know, of course, very powerful items.
And if you inscribe them with these magical symbols and
you offer them to the gods by you know, either
placing them not necessarily throwing them, or placing them in
the river, which is you know, a very very powerful
source of energy. Of course, you know the river like
it always flows. You never step in the same river twice.
(15:29):
And I mean, like, what can go wrong with an
offering like that? That's incredibly incredibly powerful, incredibly beautiful, and
that's just archaeological discovering, you know, and especially from you know,
most of the guests that I have had on my
own show, my own podcast, I'd say that the true revival,
(15:52):
the true shift, happened during the pandemic because everyone's world's
just kind of shattered, you know, they they didn't know
what to believe anymore. Even the church said, you know,
like I don't want to install the church. I'm not
that kind of pagan. There are many unfortunately, I'm not
(16:13):
one of those. You know a lot of church churches,
like like if you've even seen banners, you know, like
Jesus can't say if you get the shot, it's like,
but then why why go to church? Why pray to him?
You know if even the church says, you know, get
the inoculation, No, you're you're supposed to be my you know,
(16:33):
the ones who save me right, like Jesus and God,
And so I get why many people over time left
left the church and its left them, left them wandering,
wandering both with like oh and they wandering and wondering.
And vote on Odin the well Father, the Supreme God,
(16:56):
if you will. He is the great wanderer. Many people
have found the gods. Many people of you know, especially
European ancestry, and Europeans themselves of course went back to
the ancestral ways because they felt like this is this
is it, you know, this is what my my ancestors practiced,
or you know, it's an unbroken lineage. Even there are few,
(17:18):
there are very few of those, but there are a
few unbroken lineages still and it just felt felt right
to them. And yeah, you know, there's this this big
revival going on of people, you know, like remembering their past,
you know, their their blood memory, if you will, coming
coming coming back to the service, I mean religion as
(17:41):
a whole.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
As you know, I was just gonna say that, but
you said, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
No, religion as a whoways gained in popularity again because
it's basically the only thing that you can can really trust.
The other thing that really you know, will will forever
have your bad no matter what God really believe in.
I mean, I'm sure that your audience agrees that the
girl and.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I we can know they be really trust for surely.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
So yeah, I mean, the pagan revival is just it's
it's a part of this larger spiritual awakening. Yeah, with
my with my tribe, we we want to be a
place for the people who have found the ancestral ways,
who have come on the on the pagan path again.
And we're also doing a lot and finding a lot
(18:29):
of ways to revive our ancestral ways and really try
and figure out, like how can we live like our
ancestors did but in the twenty first century, because you know,
in a thousand years lot a lot has changed. You know,
a lot of things we can't do anymore, things we
don't have access to any more. So you know, how
(18:52):
how do we do it? Basically the question how can
I be a twenty first century pagan? Because I mean,
I'd love to just go out and live in the woods. Unfortunately,
in you know, the year twenty twenty five, it's not
that feasible anymore. I can just go off and be like, hey, society,
you see you? Yeah, So okay, what what can I
(19:19):
do in terms of rituals? Where where can I have
a ritual space? How do I perform rituals? First of all,
like also within legal boundaries so that I, you know,
my offerings don't have people knocking on my door that
I don't want knocking on my door. That's another thing
(19:39):
that has changed a lot, you know, the offerings, like
how do I do?
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Then?
Speaker 3 (19:44):
What what what do I offer? You know, does it
can like, for example, can be store bought? Is that
like an acceptable offering? Or do I have to make
it myself? Do I have to go out and you know,
like get it myself? So you know, the questions that
people may have that that I for sure have had
(20:05):
and you know still have. We're also, like I said,
trying to be the place for people to to find
those answers or that we collectively can come to an
answer that you know, and again, because we're so eclectic,
that doesn't have to be the same answer you know,
like what works for you doesn't have to work for me.
But we're trying to find find our way in the
(20:27):
ancestral ways in the twenty four So.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
With that, how how do you use like rituals and
rings and crystal stones, metals and like other tools in
the community, Like how how does this come into your life,
like your everyday life.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Well, there are a lot of different things that that
you can do a lot of different ways in how
you can practice. Honestly, you don't even need tools for them,
just by being a good person. That's already you know
you're doing. But if you want to use tools, if
you feel, you know, it enhances the the experience. And
(21:05):
let's start with the with the ruins, which is very
very well known one and one that I've been going
into more lately, especially on my podcast and on my Patreon. Yeah,
well on my like first of all, on my microphone,
I have a I have a piece of bone with
one of the rooms carved into it, room representing leadership.
(21:27):
Got that from a from a friend of mine, friend
and fellow tribal member who makes his own runs as well,
and I it's you know, he really got me that
out of you know, out of respect and out of
love for for what I do. He really found a
place in the in the tribes. I'm really happy for him.
And you can use runs as you would use terrort
(21:47):
cards for example. You know you can read the rooms.
You can grab your your back of rooms. Doesn't it
can be store bought, by the way, it's it's really
it's the intention that counts. Yeah, cats, if you want
to honor, I have to. I do that with a
with a buddy of mine every every Saturday, Like we
(22:08):
do run and card readings and he does blind readings,
which I think is really awesome. So you know, he'll
pull a room and then you know, knowing what the
room represents, he'll you know, try to buy intuition, tell
you like, okay, this room, it represents this. And you know,
with your your question or the energy that you put
(22:29):
that you give out, it can like affect your your
life in these in these ways, or it can be
really as simple as using it in everyday life, using
rooms in in your cooking. Even yeah, I know, yeah
you gonna you're gonna be a good boy. O. Thank you.
You just knocked over my water bottle just now. And no,
(22:53):
but I've heard that from someone else is really a
kind of a household switch household pagan So what she
will do, for example, let's say, you know, especially in
these times, money's a little tight. We've all had that problem,
or we all know that problem, then you would use that.
The room that you would use for that is the
(23:16):
fay who room, the one that literally looks like the
letter F and you could, I don't know, like inscribe
it on a piece of paper and lay it under
your pillow so that you sleep on it every night,
pulling it, pulling the energy of the room into your
(23:36):
der subconscious, into your unconscious. If you like baking pies,
if you like baking bread, then in the dough before
you put it in the oven, you can carve a
little fay Whu room into it, so it literally gets
baked into the product. And then by consuming the product,
you are consuming the energy and the power of the
(23:57):
fay Whu room for example. So very very simple things
it doesn't have to be have to be. That's that complicated, Yeah, no, exactly,
And that's that that's also one of the not the beautiful,
the beauty beautiful things about you know about paganism, like
it doesn't. That's what everybody always thinks. Of course, you know,
(24:18):
oh I have to have to just elaborate set up this,
you know, like thousand dollars altar with two thousand dollars
worth of stuff on there, and it's like, I'm sure,
like you can if you want to, but you don't
have to. Like my altar is literally my old desk
set up in the bedroom, and I have stuff that
(24:40):
represents my my grandparents.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I have a wooden carving that my grandfather made. I
have like one of those those pocket watches that my grandmother,
grandfather from mother's side, always used to wear. I have
pictures of the kids on there. I I you know,
I do burn incense on there. I do burn sage
(25:05):
on there. But you know that is my that is
my alter. It's you know, it's pictures and items trinkets
that for me carry the the energy of of my family,
of my loved ones, and that's that's my alter. Most
of it didn't cost me anything because they were you know,
there were gifts, or they were pictures that you know,
(25:27):
like school pictures even, or pictures that you know, my
that the mother of my children make with their phone
them printed out and gave to me for for Father's
Day or or something.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Things that you give meaning.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yeah, yeah, exactly like that. That is the I'd say,
that's one of the more important aspects really, like it
has to have meaning to.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
You as well. That's the other.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Yeah, meaning intention, And you know, whatever that thing may
be that to you carries the meaning of intention. That
really doesn't matter. You know, it means something to you.
If it means something important to you, then like you
could say, it is already a spiritual or religious object
(26:19):
in a way, just very very personal. It's also why
I know why I always wear the hammer or the
hammer author to you know, of course indicate that I
am a follower of the old ways. And it is
also something very very personal to me. It is like
literally after my morning shower, it's the first thing that
I put on, like not even clothes, no necklace comes first.
(26:41):
I feel I feel incomplete without it, you know, if
I'm not if I had a you know, if I
have a crazy chaotic morning for example, and I like,
you know, I go out the door and not wear it.
I've had that a few times. I just I don't
feel I don't feel comfortable. I don't feel myself, you know,
and I like subconsciously, I you know, I keep feeling
(27:05):
for it, to keep driving it. It's like, oh no, wait,
I'm not wearing his not wearing it right?
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Absolutely? Yeah. One of my favorite characters in the book,
it's that the books are thereby Bernard Cornwell. I don't
know if you.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Know, I'm I'm familiar, familiar.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, his main character, Utred of Babenberg wars. Yeah, and
he'll never take it off no matter what. And it's
pretty funny, same same kind of thing because he just won't.
You know, this is what he is and this is
who he is, and that's what he believes, period. So
and no matter who tells him otherwise doesn't matter. So
(27:49):
what are some of the biggest misconceptions about that?
Speaker 3 (27:57):
I that's that's a very bigod question. It's like even
like when you look up pagan or paganism on on Google,
for example, one of the things that it'll say is
godless even like, which.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Is it's a it's a co opted or I kind
of look at it as like a hijacked word. But
that's one of the reasons, Like I wonder why it's
still used. But whatever, I maybe you can explain it
for the lack of the lack of another word. Maybe
like like so, as a Christian, we call angels angels,
(28:34):
but angels isn't they're not angels there there, it's a
job title. Actually, yeah, so pagan.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Just it's it's just uh, well, it's it's a name
that was that was given to to the people of course,
you know, coming from the Latin paganas, which means you know,
outsider or you know nature, nature worshiper, someone who who
(29:03):
lives outside the city, who lives outside of outside of society,
you know, who lives in nature, who lives in the woods,
on a farm, you know, anything like that. So really,
if you boil it can be boiled down to someone
who is still in touch with nature. That's why it
(29:29):
always has why it's another thing that people will say,
you know, paganism. You know, it's it's a it's a
broken lineage, it's a it's a broken religion. You know,
it's not continuous, and I mean it it is otherwise
you know, in the year twenty twenty five, I definitely
(29:50):
wouldn't be a pagan if it is indeed, you know,
a dead religion or a broken religion of any kind.
It is just mostly worships. Uh. Now, in in nature,
you know the the gods were are now are these
these forces of nature? Are these uh? You know these
(30:12):
archetypical beings that you will find in in nature. You know,
Thor is the god of thunder. He is the god
of strength. So you know, a thunderstorm to us is
for riding through the heavens. You know, a I don't know,
like a lead level powerlifter, you know, has channeling the
(30:36):
the strength of Thor for example. And one other misconception
that a lot of the well, let's say, uneducated Christian
audience has is that we are devil worshipers, which couldn't
be further from the truth. We don't even acknowledge the
existence of the devil. Yeah, we have our malicious entities
(31:02):
and divine beings that cause havoc, if you will, But
we are not a devil worshipers and have every devil
worshiper that calls themselves pagan or every pagan that calls
themself devil worshiper doesn't know what he's what he's talking about,
because those two they do not go go hand in hands.
One is definitely not like the other. We are respectors
(31:26):
of nature. We are lovers of nature. We are the
keepers of nature and the and the natural forces. That is,
that's really what it's what it you know. We we
know we don't go to go to church every Sunday.
If we want to honor our gods, we go outside. Really,
(31:46):
if we truly want to be one with our gods,
we can go into the woods. If you want to
feel this connection to the Dutch goddess n Helenia for example,
who was the goddess of the seafarers and sea trade,
you know, you can go out on the ocean and
experience the power and also you know the vastness of
the ocean that will bring you in contact or will
(32:09):
bring you easier in contact with the goddess ne Hellenia
for example. Doesn't mean that we don't have our own temples,
that we've never had our own temples. We definitely do,
but they are for the bigger celebrations, for the for
the equinoxes, for example, when you know, the whole the
whole town or like several towns and tribes come together
(32:31):
and you know, celebrate the the returning of the sun
or the returning of spring, or you know, on the
thirty first of December, the you know we celebrate the
new year. That is when we'll go to to a temple,
(32:53):
because it's just it's a gathering place. It's a gathering
place for worship, not something that we go to every
Sunday or something that you have to go to to
be able to connect to your gods. We also don't
really have any religious texts. Like the Christians would have
the Bible, for example, the Judaeis would have the Torah,
(33:17):
the islam has the Kuran. We don't really have that.
We have stories. We have stories of our gods, we
have stories of our ancestors, we have the stories of
the heroes of old, and in those stories are woven
the lessons that we are supposed to supposed to learn.
(33:40):
Our woven the the archetypes that that teach us, the
archetypes that show us the ways of the world.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
So let's expand on that, just to touch So you've
got probably the most well known type of things that
someone would consider a pagan story would be the sagas. Right.
What beyond that, though, is there just if you have
some examples.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
One very known example is the story of Beowulf. That
is a very known, very well known pagan story. The
story of the Nibe Lullan, it's a very well known
Germanic story. I'm not sure who the main character is,
but it's it's this layer of the dragon, you know
that that archetype which has been the story Niber Lullan.
(34:32):
It's it's a Germanic German, Germanic Gairman. Yeah, you could
even say that, although that is more more Southern European.
Of course. The Trials and Tribulations and the works of
Hercules or Heraclass as his actual Greek name is, those
are pagan stories as well. The stories of the Grim Brothers,
(34:56):
those are ancestral stories even into fairy tales, first of all,
because they make you know, for really really good stories.
And also if then someone who considers themselves of a
higher religious nature comes a knocking and says like, hey,
you are telling stories that you're not supposed to be telling.
(35:18):
You know, of the old gods, of the old demons
or whatever. You can you can tell them like no, no, no, no,
they're kids tills. I mean, you know, the true grim stories.
I always like to say, like there's a reason why
they're called grim it's a good thing that Disney like
kind of make them appropriate for kids, because wow, but
(35:42):
you know, those are ancestral stories. Again, in those stories,
you can find the archetypes, you can find the lessons.
You know, the beautiful story of Ariel for example, you
know the Little Mermaid. It's you know, a story of
well really being being careful with with what you wish
for because you know, yes, you you may get what
(36:02):
you want, but definitely at a price, which is a
story that you know, like you and and your audience
as Christians will also you know, recognize very much. And
we have that in the pagan stories as well. We
have that in our ancestral stories as well, I say,
the stories of of Troy, of stories of the of
(36:23):
the Odyssey. I could even go as far as to
say that the Divine comedy Aligery, the Divine Comedy has
a pagan touch to it. I definitely like that. You know,
he gave us our own sort of heavenly realm, like
a bit of a bit of a lesser heaven, but
still haven't. It's like, thanks, Like, I like that much
(36:47):
much better than oh, like you're pagan, you're going to
go to hell. Okay, thanks heard that. So I've heard
that so many times by now.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
So tell us a little bit about what you got,
like your your community, meaning like what's the best place
is to find you and and and all that type
of stuff, like your podcast, your website.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
Yeah, of course, our main website would be UW dot
greyhornpagans dot com. It's really where everything is located, where
you can find our like I want to say, our
podcast because it's you know, it's a tribal efforts. I mean,
I mostly host it, I do all the editing, but
it's a tribal podcast. What you can find on YouTube
(37:38):
and of course all the bigger audio platforms. The place
where we're most active, where the most most chatting really happens,
is on Telegram, t dot, m E for slash, Greyhorn Pagans.
It's it's a smaller, smaller amount of people there, you know,
(37:59):
not in the in the thousands, but definitely the people
that are active in there, that do chat a lot
in there. We have created this this close knit community.
As a matter of fact, a few weeks ago, I
actually met with a few of my podcast friends who
are also at least no I believe all of them
(38:19):
are now also part of the tribe. And that was
just you know, this this beautiful gathering. One of the
guys absolutely loving, love him to death, robbed from this
organized productions. You know, he even has his he is
a staff created for himself and inscribed his name in
(38:39):
runik so rido oala bergana rob. He called his his car.
He's a he's a nomad actually, so he lives out
of his car, which is I mean respect, you know,
leaving living the nomadic life. My five. That's a no,
(39:01):
not not even a fan. It's not even a fan,
but it's it's similar to that. He's just yes, is
big ass falvo, like really really powerful powerful car fulvos,
you know, just I mean if you're tired of you know,
German medal by some Swedish techno, it's yeah, it's really good.
And he called his car Regnar because he also he
(39:23):
is this like I already predicted that he was going
to be bigger than me, and he's like, you know,
he's half a half a hat bigger than that I am.
And he's strong. He's also this this true Viking I
was it was just it was a great, great get
together and I I always encourage that with our members
as well. You know, whether you're you know, you live
(39:43):
here in the Netherlands or or Germany or States, or
you could be you could be a Kiwi, you know
from New Zealand. For for all I care nowadays, you know,
it's these it's those those personal or in person meetups
that are so incredibly import That's why I try to
to join a lot of a lot of rituals as well.
(40:07):
I I recently actually joined a kind of a ritual
slash therapy kind of thing, breath ritual breath circle like
right here in my hometown actually, like I don't know,
and and the end of the street here pretty much
(40:27):
because you know, it's you're you're still part of a
of a larger community. And also with the tribe, we
you know, we're we're friends. We're in contact with a
lot of other communities as well, especially the the bush
(40:47):
Whisperer shaman shaman living in South Africa, really a Eastern
spiritual shaman. He does a a round table every every Saturday,
and a lot of from members you know, join or
or have joined on on that roundtable. And I think
that is also, you know, very important that as a
(41:08):
as a community, as a tribe, you know, connect with
with others as well, connect with other you know, other tribes,
other spiritual communities, other pagan communities, because like that is
it's it's a you know, a very human thing to do.
Of course, we're always looking for for that connection, and
(41:28):
I mean from from all the other groups like you
can learn as well, and you know, maybe some of
your members will join them, some of their members will
will join you. And there's always this this interplay, this
this interaction between the tribes and communities, and most of
them that we do engage with regularly you can also
find on on our website. I'd always try to promote
(41:50):
the others as well that I am, I'm very well
befriended with. And yeah, I hope to join a ritual again.
In September, we just had the Midsummer Fest, of course,
which I joined at it. I mean technically it's an
open air museum geared towards like Dutch history, but they
(42:14):
do a lot of these these amazing events which attract
a whole lot of people from all different walks of life,
and you know, from Pagans to you know, the the
spiritual and lighten people to I mean nothing bad about them,
but you know Larper's live action role players who are
just in it for quite liberally, you know, the fun
and games, you know, all the power to them, they're
(42:36):
still in a way, you know, still harnessing the energy,
harnessing the power. Is just it's roleplay for them, which
is cool. Something that they do on the weekends and
that they can lose themselves in. That's you know, it's amazing.
That's see. Even that is a good gateway like to
the actual thing, like from the weekends to always really.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
What are the holidays and that's such a you know,
if we want to clone holidays, it's just a placeholder.
So what you know, what would be the things that
you guys, Yeah, holidays, the celebration ritual time, celebrations, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
I mean ritual times is really you know, anytime. Yeah,
let's see, like we have the the four Big Ones
of course, which is the celebration of the the coming
back of nature, the spring equinox, which is on the
(43:37):
twenty first of March or anywhere between the let's say
the twentieth two to twenty third. It's usually like a
three day window and we go by the by the
moon cycles, so it's usually either like from the first
full moon or the first new moon, kind of depending,
(43:57):
so like the day after the day of, or the
day before, the day off and the day after, because
it's in that three day period when when the moon
when nature is you know, and it's at its strongest,
when the energies are most powerful. You know, if you
feel like doing a ritual, if you feel like asking
the divine however you you want to call it, however
you wish to see it, if you want to ask,
(44:21):
it's for something like do it on those days like
success pretty much guaranteed we have, which is of course
also very important. What what I just mentioned, what we
just had Midsummer, which is you know, when when we've
had when we're on the the halfway point of of
(44:43):
the year, it's from Midsummer that the days become shorter
again and the nights become longer again. It is the
you know, the darkness again winning or partially temporary temporarily
winning over the light. It is you know, it is night. Yeah, yeah,
(45:06):
it's you know, it's Balder returning to Hellheim, it's Persephone
returning back to Hades. Then we have suren's that's really
the the Celtic name, but my wife as Celtic lineages,
so that's what we use. Better known as Halloween of course,
the spookiest time of year, but that is also because
(45:29):
that is when the the veil, let's say, between this
world and the next is thinnest, which you will see
in a lot of cultures, a lot of cultures think
I think the same things. Similarly, that's one of the
reasons why my my wife and her son, my my
steps on there are they're absolutely mad about the Disney
(45:50):
Pixar movie Coco because that portrays the the Theos Day
of the Dead from from Mexico. It portrays it like
absolutely beautifully. So she also has a tendency to, you know,
call my altar my friend, and it's like, no, honey,
it's my altar, but sure whatever you like, hell of
you anyway. That is, you know, of course, very very important.
(46:12):
That is the Pagan New Year, if you will, having
New Years in December. If you look at it, you know,
like astrologically and from the seasons and everything doesn't really
make sense. It's not really the end of anything, you know,
like winter still continue goes on for like two months,
so we celebrate of course the winter equinox when like
(46:32):
slowly but surely the days are becoming longer again, which
is from the twenty first the twenty fourth of December.
Our Christmas, let's say, is Yule, which we celebrate from well,
we actually have like multiple days of Mule, you know,
the ten days of Christmas used to be the ten
Days of Yule. Even when it eventually turned into Christmas,
(46:56):
it was still like actually ten days that we celebrate
it just the two that we have now. But that
ends on the first full moon of January, which is
usually i want to say, in sixth of January, so
that is our our New Years.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
The name.
Speaker 3 (47:21):
Well slips my mind, you'll you'll celebration and those are
really the the major ones. And then we you know,
of course, have like we very much go by the
moon cycle, so you know, with the full moon, the
new moon, the harvest moon. We tend to to want
(47:42):
to do you know, bigger, more more important rituals, if
you will, so you know, if a if we want
something new, or if we need more more guidance on
a particular thing, if we're going through a you know,
(48:03):
especially a hard time, you know, we try to, you know,
do a ritual and ask the gods for for a favor,
ask the gods for for guidance on those loon days,
on those those those bigger days.
Speaker 2 (48:22):
Something that that's studying, I would say lately, is this
concept of the thirteen months and a year by well,
the lunar, the lunar calendar, and it seems like the
most natural thing, right it is how how we how
we've as a world, and not every society subscribes to
(48:42):
the calendar that we follow here in the West, but
how we went from and that's what I'll call it
the most natural calendar that there is, which is the
lunar calendar, in my opinion, And I get a lot
of flat for that, but whatever the rest of it's
kind of a human construct to an extent, right, not
(49:04):
not all of it, but the lunar calendar makes a
lot of sense. I don't understand why, even like by
it biologically circadian wise, it's the most natural calendar there is.
Speaker 3 (49:18):
Yeah, definitely, I mean especially for you know, for for
the women, especially you know, for the wives, they're they're
a menstrual cycle. I mean, you get there's a play
on words. You could call it the Moonstrael cycle because it,
you know, aligns well naturally. Sure, sure, you know the
(49:38):
the like I said, you know the three days, you know,
day before, day of day after, some somewhere in there,
or you know, in those those days, it usually lines up.
And that's why I you know why I always like
that in the the older religions. You know, the sun
is a very masculine type of energy. Well then the
(50:00):
boon is this, you know, this beautiful, beautiful feminine energy,
and it you know, it pretty it lines up. And yeah,
the thirteen month calendar.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Even the names, even the names line up with complete
change of the entire paradigm, right.
Speaker 3 (50:19):
Yeah, you know in the Latin language that we still
use for for a lot of.
Speaker 2 (50:24):
It's December, for example, would be the tenth month, not
actually you know, I mean just by those words.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
Right, yeah, it is October.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
October day eight.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
So even though we still kind of hold on to these,
even the days of the week are mostly pagan names, right.
Speaker 3 (50:44):
They are like literally on Wednesday, it's it's Tuesday through
Friday that are literally named after Yeah, no after.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
I don't think people realize this. And one of the
things I mean again, I I told you we started
this off. You know, I've been studying I guess you
would call it pagan mythology since I was a kid.
But have you ever seen the show American Gods.
Speaker 3 (51:14):
I have heard of it, I've not. I've not seen it,
nor have I ever read the book. I'm familiar with
the with the author and you gain. But I was just.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
The reason I use that as an example is because
the main character's name is mister Wednesday because it's their
depiction of Odin, right.
Speaker 3 (51:35):
So yeah, yeah, it's Wednesday, Woden's Day.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah. Yeah, So I just thought i'd interject all that.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
No, no, yet, it's still alive.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
And what I mean, like the pagan the remnants of
pagan culture, religion, all of it, They're still very alive
in our world.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
Even in Christianity. There is a lot of pagan and
a lot of pagan customs to to be found. I always,
I always get a lot of the ship for saying this,
but I'm sorry, it's true. Like you have the Trinity
for example, you know Father's on the Holy Ghost. It's
that's really it's a pagan thing. Like so many of
our gods and our goddesses are part of a of
(52:20):
a trinity. You know, just three is it's one of
the the more more natural numbers. More three seven that
there's a few of them, yeah, three, uh you know
three six nine. If you want to go by Tesla
actual Tesla, yeah, Nicola, yeah, yeah that guy. Absolutely you
(52:40):
are no, definitely not no. And and even you know,
the concept of Hell is trining an amalgamation between two
two pagan things, because we have a realm called Hell.
We have a realm called hellie it is the the underworlds.
But it's not necessarily it's one of one of the
three l of Hell. Actually there go again. It's just
(53:03):
it's a place where you go when you die a
let's say, unhonorable death, you know, dishonorable, just unhonorable, and
like you die of old age or sickness or you
just go. That's when you end up in Hell or Hellheim.
And it's not this this terrible place, it's not this
this incredibly beautiful place either, but it's just it's it's there.
(53:28):
It's where your it's where your spirits, where your energy lives.
On's where your ancestors are. It's just, you know, it's
just there. But then you know, the fire and brimstone,
and you know fields of fire or lakes of fire. Sorry,
(53:50):
that's in my mind. That is really taken from got
to say this right from Muspelheim. The realm of eternal fire,
the realm of of ancient fire that you know exists
within Northern Northern mythology. It is one of the realms
(54:10):
that came together with Niffelheim, the realm of eternal eyes,
of ancestral ice, primordial that's that's the word I was
looking for, primordial fire, primordial ice, the game together in
this realm gnunga gap, which is the Vesica Pisces, which
is representing of a whole lot of other things. Of course,
from that everything really emerged. You know, the first primordial
(54:36):
beings emerged in the primordial cow, the primordial ice ice giant.
You know, they've taken a lot of The Christian Church
has taken a lot of pagan elements and made it
their own. There even this is an example that I
always use, but because it's it's such a you know,
amazing example. The goddess, the Celtic goddess Bridget is now
(54:58):
a Catholic saint. They just kind of changed up her backstory,
so that now in some way a Celtic goddess was
involved with the birth of Christ.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
There's so much of it that of the church. And
that's what I'd like to say, the church so much
of well it could because that their competition. And if
you look at the church as a as a as
an entity, right or like a let's call it a business, right,
because that's what it is. If you look at it
(55:36):
as a business, then they have to compete with the
other business, which would be you know, pagan yea. And
with that then they have to co opt and twist
and turn things into their own lexicon so then they
(55:56):
can get their followers to follow them. With that, it
makes it an easier transition, right.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
So that that too, Yes, absolutely, and they and it's
you know good that you say the church like, I
definitely agree with that. I think Christianity as a religion,
as a as a spiritual path. That does this coming
from me as someone who's been on the pagan path
for you know, let's say fifteen years. I think Christianity
as a religion as a spiritual path, that Christ as
(56:25):
a as a teacher. There is so much value to it.
It's such a it is such a beautiful mystery school.
It is you know, Christ was such a powerful, well
mystic really is what he was, shaman even almost. But
(56:50):
it is the it is the Church. It is the
the the dogma that you know, I have a haven't
aversion against. That's that's why you know, I said, like,
I'm not one of those those Christian hating pagans. It's
what I've learned over time that there is really this
(57:12):
divide between between the religion, between the spiritual essence and
the church. And it is the Church indeed, that has
co opted so much. First of all, because it's kind
of the funny they it couldn't. I mean, they they
got a bit of a foothold of course in Germany
and Scandinavia. But the people just started worshiping Christ alongside
(57:37):
the rest of the gods because you know, they heard
his story about you know, you know, his teachings and
death and resurrection, and they were like, U sounds you know,
sounds like he's like a powerful god like we have.
You know, we have beings like like that as well.
He'll just you know, he'll fit right in. So they'd
worship Jesus alongside Odin or alongsight for and then you know,
(58:01):
the church saw that and was like, oh, hold up,
what are you doing. We're worshiping Jesus, like you said,
sounds like a it sounds like a powerful god. Yep,
fit's right in No, no, no, no, you're supposed to just
worship him. Why that doesn't make any sense. So it
didn't even it didn't click for them. You know, it's
(58:23):
like the only one. No, no, he's not the only one.
I mean, look aside, he's not the only one. Like literally,
we had the sun, we had the sky, the river, everything,
Like you're telling me that it is like separate from
all of that, no way, So then they have to
had to play these these dirty tricks as well. You know,
like people who were declared outlaw, for example, the only
(58:47):
place that they were truly safe, truly safe from persecution
was in the church. So as an outlaw, as someone
who was declared outlaw, you know, rule laws, doesn't you know,
it doesn't apply to you anymore. Just come into the church.
You'll be safe here, you know, Like really those kind
(59:10):
of dirty party tactics like and and it's it really
it says a lot about the about the church as well,
and I want to really emphasize like the Church as
as an entity in and of itself. It says a
lot that they have to lower themselves to those kind
of you know, kind of tactics of kind of those
kind of dirty plays to you know, get the people
(59:33):
to worship Christ and worship, you know, worship their God.
And like, yeah, I agree with with with our ancestors
that you know, Jesus as as a mythological figure, as
a spiritual teacher, as a mystic, if fits right in
the pantheon, if it's right in as a ghaman, as
a mystic, as a teacher, his teachings are beautiful, are
(59:56):
are are wonderful, are definitely once that you know that
you should live by. But that's you know, as as
a religion, that is, as a as a spiritual path.
I do believe that, Yeah, you know absolutely that works
for you. Do it, But don't you know, don't give
your your energy, don't give your power to the church
(01:00:19):
because they are they're in it for themselves.
Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
So kind of to wrap us up two things, So
where do you want to take your tribe the podcast?
Like what are your goals going forward?
Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Well, first of all, I am really really working to
get my my YouTube channel monetized. I am that easy?
Oh no, but I am. I am so I'm so close,
Like at time of recording, i am at nine seventy
(01:00:59):
eight seventy eight subscribers, so literally just twenty two or
to go. And that's that's just where I want to
take the channel. Where I want to to take the podcast, Like,
I'm putting so much time and effort and money into
it that you know, getting getting a little out of
it as well would be would be nice. I'm not
expecting to become rich from or through podcasting. That's not happening,
(01:01:24):
of course.
Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
I mean it can happen, but it's enorm.
Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
In the the pagan spiritual niche, it's it's a little
harder really, like I I'm no, I'm not Joe Rogan unfortunately.
And where I want to take the tribe. I've actually
been in talks with someone that I met on another
podcast that I am involved with at least I joined
in later across the pond, a couple of Brits and
(01:01:49):
a duchy. It's a it's a good combo. He is
part of a of a community that really managed to
separate themselves from society, like they have their own like
their own currency, which is basically just trade like bordering trades,
you know, item for item, service for service. They have
(01:02:10):
their their own law enforcement, and they are really seeking
to expand that. That is what I've been working on
with me and a friend, like my right hand man
within the tribe. We have been working to that for
for a lot of years as well, to really make
the tribe its own, its own entity and to preferably
(01:02:33):
have a place for ourselves at the very least independently
from society. So now that I have found someone or
have you know, I've managed to make contact with someone
who is part of a community like that I am
working on and you know, talking about having the tribe
(01:02:53):
be be part of that community so that we may
you know, one step closer to really be our own
independent tribe. And that is also why I'm putting so
much effort into you know, into the podcast, into my channel,
into the into the tribe as a whole. Like I
(01:03:14):
have I've often said that I have, you know, two
full time jobs, one that I love, which is you know,
my channel, which is the podcast, and one that pays
the bills. Yes, and I would absolutely love to know
if for the the full time job that I have
that I love doing, which is podcasting, which is you know,
creating content, which is you know, busying myself with the tribe,
(01:03:36):
I would love for that to pay my bills as well.
And I am. I am getting closer every every week.
I am getting closer every every month. And I have
well made a deal with myself really that I don't
stop until it is so and my cat seems to recreate,
(01:04:00):
So yeah, that is That's really what I've been I've
been working on at least in private online kind of
offline as well, by participating in no community events and
community rituals, et cetera. I'm not just expending my my connections,
but also you know, expending my mind, expending my own experiences,
(01:04:23):
and it's it's a lot of work, but I love
doing it. And that's why I'm trying to to do
more guest spots on other podcasts as as well, especially
now that to me, not everyone has to see that,
thank you, especially now that you know I'm kind of
(01:04:43):
like my my guests have kind of dried up at
the at the moment, Like I have a full time job,
I have two kids, two cats, this this being the
one that requires the most attention and most work. I
do love him, though I don't really have the time
anymore to like actively go out and look for for guests,
(01:05:07):
et cetera. And also because I just I love telling
my story. I love telling about my ancestors, about my path,
about the gods. I love chariot, I love storytelling. I mean,
I'm a pagan. It's what we what we do. We
are storytellers. So yeah, it's a it's a lot of
it's a lot of work, a lot of effort, a
lot of time, but I I love doing it and
(01:05:29):
I love you know, I love seeing the results, and
I'm not going to stop until I have the you know,
I've reached the desired results, and then I'm gonna keep
going to well to keep it like that and to
to further it, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
So again, tell everyone where they could find you.
Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
For sure.
Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:05:53):
My my YouTube channel is YouTube dot com forward slash
at Stein Fox might use the name that you'll find everywhere,
that you'll find me everywhere. Main side for the Grand
Pagans is ww dot Grayhornpagans dot com on my channel
to podcasts, of course, the video podcasts. I do standalone
(01:06:14):
videos every every Thursday. I try to do them every Thursday.
It's a lot of work, you know, because I do
narrate and added everything myself. It's a really a one
man show. Well, a friend of mine does narration every
now and then sometimes as well. He's starting to get
good at it. That saves me a couple hours narrating.
I just do the script and the editing. Then let's
(01:06:36):
see patreon dot com for Stays, Groan Pagans where you
can get of course early access to all the podcasts.
I have a book club on there as well. Currently
reading The Night Side of the Rooms, which is really interesting.
It's kind of more you know, the ruins, but the
from the the left hand path perspective, the night side,
(01:06:58):
which is a really fascinating perspective. Also kind of going
into how the the layout of the rooms as we
think we know it, you know futhark which is literally
the first letter of the rooms put together, that that
is not the right order, that it's actually and that
(01:07:19):
Fai who comes last. That was one of the chapters.
And when I read read through it and like kind
of you start to understand, and it was like, yeah,
that is that makes a lot more more sense in
this regard, and especially on the book club, I try
to I try to keep it pure, like I'm reading
(01:07:39):
it for the first time as I am recording it.
So everything that's like, all my reactions and all my
wonder and ahalla moments are not scripted. I know that
you know a thing. Among YouTubers and influences, it's like
this is all so real and definitely not scripted. So
and I do pride myself on that that you know,
(01:08:01):
everything is, everything is genuine, Everything is like a true
interest of mine. And I'm just fortunate enough that you know,
other people have the same same interests. So yeah, YouTube,
Stein Fox, Instagram, Great or Pagans, Tar Pagans, Guer Pagans Podcast.
Just look up Great Pagans and you'll you'll find us
(01:08:23):
who are really We're worthy, the true We're the true
gray worn greer or Pagan's, the true eclectic tribe of
of beings, of people, of souls.
Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Steinfergs, thanks for coming.
Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
On, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (01:08:41):
Yeah, for sure, and we'll talk so.
Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
Absolutely absolutely, He who controls the mind controls the war.
Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
At first, he must silence the noise.
Speaker 5 (01:08:59):
Straight from the catacombs where the scrolls was hidden. Whining
monks chat versus in the Watchman's risen broadcast to see
son it ain't just the show, It's a frequency shift
from the realm below.
Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
The encryptis speech from the.
Speaker 5 (01:09:15):
Outer courts with the bloodline of kings and celestial reports.
God that for lum sack in a backpack word while
these reptile suits try to sense of the word.
Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
Yo, why step through.
Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
Portals with the micas my torch, dropping sermons so raw
They send drunks to the porch. They sevel what I
spit can't silence the flame. God, angels and camera withing
crypti names were talking black ops and black robes, falling
stars with zip codes, temple scrolls and tom codst beasts
with ten horns and stealth mode from Mount Herman and
the Grand Canyon. Faults with a smith Sony and beveries
(01:09:49):
Humanity's faults. But we dig with the pins slight slides
with the flow, like Eblijah on the mountain when the
fire hit the show. Yo, this is spiritual warfare, stevery goo,
holy scripts flipping through the technicolor ferry goo.
Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
No friction, just friction.
Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
Between realms dropping bars like prophecy with Angelly Helm. So
when you soon in, just know what it is. It's
ancient world drums, not a podcast for kids. It's to
watch our gospel wrapped in grip broadcast. The seas were
the last ones. Legit, straight truth, no floor ride filter,
(01:10:26):
ghost in the vares with the soul of a build up.
Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Welcome to the front lines, the kingdom cries out.
Speaker 5 (01:10:33):
So grab your arm of your mic and cast a
doubt out down.
Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
I want to select your homes and the tete species
Senator's prisons. It's water wicking tire Criwis crews
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