June 20, 2025 • 69 mins
In this conversation, Kyle shares his diverse experiences ranging from growing up in a haunted house to his military encounters and intriguing camping adventures. He discusses his fascination with the paranormal, particularly Sasquatch, and reflects on various mysterious events that have shaped his beliefs. The dialogue explores the intersection of the unexplained and personal experiences, culminating in Kyle's insights on the nature of truth and the unknown.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
H you're live, Kyle, tell us who you are and
(01:01):
what you do.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Man, my name's Kyle. I'm done a little bit of everything.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Help op, Kyle.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I've managed, I've uh, you know, done my cow I
don't my para share of cowboys stuff. But that's all
a little bit behind me for now. I'll just turn
wrenches and annoying my co co orders with really random
facts about the weirdest in nature.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
For sure. So you're from New York born raised? Yep,
I'm where.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I was born, Western New York, Buffalo area.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
All right, join the Marine Corps eighteen seventeen seventeen, look
at you?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, I know, what's that one of those ones I
have a plan for life. I was like, career Marine Corps.
This is it? Right. My uncle really didn't give me
much of a choice. He told me you got two options.
You're joing the Marine Corps or during the Marine Corps.
Or I said, well, what if I want to go
Air Force? He's like, we don't talk about that.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
It's like talking about the air Force. Gotcha, that's great.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
A little known fact. Wasn't smart enough to get in
the Air Force. They so what you get? You're on
your air as bab I said, I got it twenty
two and they're like, nah, you're all right, go that way.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Bye bye. Yeah, I understand that. So all right, So
how did you get into this like world of high strangeness, Like,
because I've seen you on a few other shows, so
(02:52):
talk about some of these experiences that you've had, and
just like started to beginning whatever. It's good.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
You know, I'm not gonna plenty labels or anything, but
I'm pretty sure I grew up in a haunted house.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Bought this house in the middle of nowhere, and I
was in fourth grade. Yeah, I was in third or
fourth grade. End of third grade, began a fourth grade,
I can't remember frame, but moved in and just weird
things started happening. My little sister. I have two younger sisters,
So my oldest younger sister one issue, was in her
(03:30):
room and I walked by. She's sitting there talking to someone.
And I looked over and there's no one there, like
who you're talking to? And she's like, Connie, she's my friend.
Oh okay, that's cool. I told my mom. I was like, hey,
she's being weird, you know. We I's like, she has
an imaginary friend. You had one too growing up. It's like, hey,
(03:51):
I wasn't that weird. I wasn't talking in the corner
to them, but whatever. So and then just weird things
after that would happen, like you'd hear footsteps or you'd
hear just something didn't sound right. It's probably about three
four weeks after that. We were turning the bait our
basement into a family room with a storage room, laundry room,
(04:12):
and then an additional bedroom. And I was in the
storage room. The studs are up, sheet rocks on. Storage
room's got all the stuff that we just haven't had
a chance on packed. I was going through some boxes
looking for something of mine and I look over in
the corner and I see best what I can describe
is the girl from the Grudge or the Ring. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(04:35):
And she just sitting there, hands in her head, and
I'm like, so, I look down, look back up, and
as I was doing that, was thing myself, well, she's gone.
I'm running and she's not there. I mean she's still there.
I'm still running, like either way we're out. I'm not
dealing with this. Then I look down, I look back up,
and she's gone. So I skid oatled out there and
(04:55):
told my mom about it. Mom didn't say anything, just
thought I was seeing things, probably thought it was crazy.
And then just more weird stuff would happen. Now, my
dad one night saw someone with long blonde hair, out
of the corner of his eye, run through the living
like around the the corner of the living room into
the dining room, got up search the entire house. Now,
(05:16):
mind you, my sister has long blonde hair, so he
thought it was her, that she was out of bed
or whatever. And uh, he went and checked on her
and she was still she was in bed. It's like
midnight or so. We'd see like weird things would just
go missing, get moved. One night, we all went out somewhere,
came home, and we had a ceramic chicken. That's how
(05:40):
my mom decoraded the kitchen. I don't know what the
hell of the point was of doing farm like we
lived on a farm. Why do we have to make
the kitchen look like it? Besides the point, the ceramic
chicken had the middle toe broke off. She placed on
the counter like that's weird, Like someone's gonna they broke
in the house. They're not gonna be like, oh, damn,
broke your stuff. Here here it is, and doors were
(06:00):
locked by themselves, you know, you'd my room was ended
up being in the basement. I'd hear like, I know
everyone was asleep because I'd just be upstairs, use the
bathroom whatever, come back down there. I'd hear footsteps just thunk, thunk, thunk.
Uh that basement actually just as a kid scared the
hell out of me, Like you know a lot of people,
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that was the opposite. And they had turned the light off,
run up the stairs, but the light switched to the
basement was upstairs. So I'd turn the lights switch off
and run down the stairs to get the Yeah. No,
I figured out how to strategically like turn the londer
room light on and turn my room light on so
that I could have a path of light. So I'd
run down the stairs, hit the hit the path of light,
(06:43):
hit the lawnder room light, and it was like two
steps bam into my room. So there's weird things like
that happened. And then uh there was It's probably about
my sophomore year of high school. My little sister, my
youngest was old enough to like talk and draw, and
(07:05):
she had my old my other sister's room. She my
other sister moved into my old room and my room
was in the basement.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
One day, my little sister comes walking out of the
bedroom piece of paper, and on that paper was me,
my mom, my dad, mother, sister, the family dog, my
other sister, and then some other girl with long blonde hair.
And we sat there and we asked her, like, who's
that and she's like, that's Connie. She's my friend. She
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used to live here. And I was like, oh, she's
weird too. I don't know how we have two weird
ones in the family. But my dad's the biggest skeptic.
Like still to this day, he like. I've asked him
about it and he's like, ah, I'm just it was
a it was a name someone heard in the house
and that's where it came from. I have a prod
(07:56):
memory of sitting on a couch, homesick from school, watching
Haunting and I'm just watching TV doing my own thing.
Next thing I hear from another room. I hear Kyle,
and I was like, huh, maybe maybe it was on
a TV. So pause, rewind, play it through, didn't hear it?
(08:19):
Pause rewind? I tied did that about ten times or
so and couldn't recreate it. So I was like, that's weird.
Don't know, explain that. One senior year of high school,
I was downstairs watching TV and the girl I was
doing in high school was there. We're sitting there on
(08:42):
the couch, on the couch we had down there, and
behind us, I saw a shadow like, p what's what
we're moving for? Its shadow was properly because I was
against the wall, so you could see the shadow just
walk like this right behind us. We both looked at
each other and said, Nah, that didn't happen. There's no
one downstairs. There's no way they commend someone outside because
(09:04):
the little basement window lights are the windows, and it
was a full body. You could see head all the
way down with some detail like I mean, you can
see the arms swinging, legs moving. It was enough that
it freaked us both out and we skidaddled after that,
like just it's what really got me into it. And
(09:25):
Buddy would would go out camping and hunting in the
wood in the woods, being kids doing our thing, and
we'd hear weird things at night and then just I
don't know, it's interesting, like the unexplained just has always
fascinated us.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Agreed same. What is your so haunted house? Did you
have any experiences in the military or not.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Had do you nothing really noteworthy? Uh? And I really
hate to tell boot camp story, but I was on
fire Watch what night. It's always one parasylence haunted.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah that oh yeah, man, hell yeah, it's on it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I had a buddy that came I was in the dept.
He came back from the debt program. Uh, he came
back from boot camp and he was telling a story
of how he Uh, a guy in Vietnam, Cammis showed up.
It was like, I need a mop and he's like, dude,
who the hell are you? I need I need a mop, man,
(10:32):
I need a mob and my buddy and he's like,
I don't know where you who you are, where you belong?
You don't belong here. Ran Off never saw him again
and he went around the well the next morning, was like, hey,
you know, this is what I've seen. Was this anyone
with me or whatever? But me personally? Uh, I was
(10:53):
on fire Watch one night and I'm sitting there one
of our guys right next to right next to me.
I think I was writing a letter home at this point,
trying not to fall asleep. It's two o'clock in the morning,
and out of the corner of my eye, I see
a shadow dark across squad Day and I'm like and
(11:14):
I looked over, I'm like, talking it you see that?
And he's like, yeah, so what do you think it is?
Someone's out of the rack or whatever. So we go
make our way down the squad day check everything out.
I'm walking back and you know, from the head you
hear whispering. I remember what toilet was too, it was
toilet seven. And we're sitting there. I'm like, dude, this
(11:37):
someone in there. I was like, how did they get
past us? I was like, maybe it's one of our
drill instructors messing with us or something like maybe this
is a test, Like there's gotten something, some reason behind this.
So we go to ahead and we're walking through and
it's just my heart's beating through my chest right now.
I'm like, something's gonna happen. And get up there and
(11:58):
they're no one there. That's like, Okay, that was weird.
Don't not explain it.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, that's something. It just I just bookmarked something on
my phone to look because I had never really thought
about haunted Paris Island, and if any place that's haunted,
it's a freaking place.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Well you have the red of the Red River.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Incident, Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, or the drill instructor was hammered, marches, uh ople
tune out into the swamps, tide came.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
In, and I can imagine there's a lot of trauma there.
So yes, you know, so you can imagine there's some uh,
there's got to be I mean not just and not
just like Marine Corps base. There's probably some more stuff too,
you know, considering that that whole area. But I know
(12:49):
that there's some consideration to like shut it down of
Paris Island of all places, you know, but they want
everyone to I don't know. It had something to do
with weather, you know, extreme who the hell knows, got
something to do with climate change, I'm sure, but that
(13:10):
was a while ago, so I don't know if that
actually went anywhere, but exactly so, but uh so let's
uh go into Sasquatch. So you had you and I
had texted because Drew Ski had texted me. He's like, dude,
(13:33):
you got to have this guy on the show.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
So say, if I'm not, if I'm not mistake. It's
kind of your neck of the woods too.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah, ish, right now, it's because what what you were
saying is you've had the experience. It's right over the
New York Pennsylvania border. It's like right in Allegheny, right, it.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Was on the New York Pennsylvania Seriesville. Okay, some buddy's
got a hunting cabin down there up on one of
the mountains.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah. I live up in Syracuse, but I do a
lot of research down in Pennsylvania. That's what it is,
what it is.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Okay, we was down there, that little podunk town. I
mean you could throw a rock from where we walked
across the Pennsylvania border.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
That's basically everything from the Finger like south anyway. Man,
as you know, it's all it's country.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So the one night we uh yeah, buddy, we're sitting
around a fire and we're like, we should go down
to camp. This is October thirtieth, it's the twenty ninth
of the thirtieth. We left thirty first to come back,
and because we were raising the clock to get to
(14:47):
a Halloween party. I remember that. Of course, hey, party.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Time, nobody wants to be out in the dark deep
voids Halloween man.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
So we uh, we got the br Yeah, one night,
let's go camping. So the next morning we come, we
are pack and get everything going, getting all our gear situated,
you know, food. We're planning for two days, maybe a
day and a half. No, we didn't get on the
road till about six o'clock at night, five thirty, and
(15:18):
we hit countered multiple hiccups. Every small town cop in
western New York was like, hey, they're the ones that
get I mean, we got pulled over and it was like, Hi, yeah,
how pops his head in, He's like, you guys are fine,
you're not drinking or driving. We're like, you don't want
a license? He's like, now you're fine. I don't care.
I'm just trying to get Dwis. It's like, okay, cool,
(15:39):
we made it down past, Like what was it like? Dry?
Anne State trooper pulls us over, looks at us, stiff
the car. He's like drinking. You guys had anything to drink?
Like no, we're just trying to go camping. All right,
get out of here. I'm like, damn state cops ling
leus go what this is? And finally, so we finally
ended up down where we're we're trying to be. It
(16:00):
was probably two three o'clock in the morning, it couldn't
have been any later than that. And we pulled in
and it was just like, this is awesome. It's dark,
you know, we can't really see what we're looking at,
but this is awesome. So my buddy's like, do you
want to make camp inside the cabin or just call
it a night in the truck. And I was like,
(16:22):
let's just call a night in the truck. Cabin's got
no power, you know, we barely have flashlights. It's just
let's I'm not trying to count a raccoon that's gonna
bite my ass or whatever. So we started sleeping in
the truck. My boys passed out. I'm in the passer's seat.
Probably I'm Vine or Facebook or something with my limited service,
(16:43):
and excuse me. I hear on the window a tap
like a pet, like a stone or something. It's someone
thrown at it. And I'm like, huh, that's weird. Whatever.
The truck's settling, and trucks make vehicles make weird noises
when they're cooling down whatever. Well again, and I was like,
could still be the truck cooling down happens again. So
(17:06):
I wake my boy up and I'm like, hey, something
going on. I don't know how to explain it. This
is what I'm hearing. And he's like, yeah, you're probably
hearing things. Whatever. Well, it happened while he is awake,
and he looks at me at mean, he's like, there's
something out there. And it's like, then, try to tell
you this for the last thirty minutes. But hey, let's
go with your theory now. So, uh, we rolled the
(17:27):
window down and we could hear something outside just trumping
through the rush. Our first thoughts like, ah, there's someone
out here messing with us. Either some tweak or sauce
come up the mountain they're gonna try to do whatever,
or it's up here or whatever. So we get out
and I have my rifle, he has his shotgun. We
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say our spiel, Hey, you know there's anyone here messing
with us, We feel threatened, YadA, YadA, YadA, Like sleep alone.
We don't even bothered. We're armed, we're not afraid to
defend ourselves. And I told my buddy, I was like,
let one fly, you know, right in front of us
in the dirt. That's gonna stop. That's gonna church just
(18:08):
about ninety percent of anybody. You gotta be psychotic to
come after someone after you hear a gunshot. So he
lets one fly and the noise stops. I'm like, okay, cool,
so I'll get back to my truck. And my buddy's like,
I don't know if that was you know, maybe it's
just it is someone there shouldn't be. This is private property.
We're a mile and a half up this mountain, like
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it doesn't make any sense, and I was like, nah,
it doesn't make any sense to me either, but whatever.
So we're sitting there, windows are down and next thing
you know, you heard just allowed to crack. We're like, okay, cool,
someone's out there. And somewhere in this time I can't
remember because we went up and down this something. It
scared us off the mountain. The first time. We got
(18:50):
to the main road and we both worked each other
like we have guns. Why are we running. I was like,
that's a good point. Run back up the mountain. Somewhere
in the night though, we put teaky torches out, and
I remember putting around the truck and uh, how did
it go? We let the teaky torches got back in
the truck. I looked at him. I was like, dude,
(19:13):
it feel it feels like we just put the candle
on the dinner table because we can only see the
tea torches. We couldn't see past it. And I was
like this, this sucks. And one by one they all
started just you know, spluttering out, just thunk thunk thunk out.
It's like, okay, that's unsettling. So my buddy's like, do
you want to sleep? I'll take first watch. I was like,
(19:34):
I'm not sleeping after this, Like I'm my address there
is right Like, well, I'm going to sleep. I was like,
then you take sleep, I'll take first watch. Whatever. Cool.
He's out cold, and I'm like awesome, I'm here. My
I'm just here. My thoughts with what are the hells
out there? I'm sitting there. He wakes up after like
twenty minutes, they're screaming they're here, they're gonna get us.
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We need to leave. I was like, I don't know
who they are or what they want with us, or
why they're going to get us, but that's enough information
for me to say we should leave. So we high
talent down tiki torches are still standing. We get to
the base of the mountain. Once again, we're like, we
have guns, why are we running? So we spin it
around and we're coming up this trail. But he looks
(20:21):
at me. He's like, in case we run away again.
I was like, oh, in case we know we are like,
we're not equipped, we don't know what we're dealing with,
we're not equipped for it. Whatever. But he's like, in prace,
we run away again. My dad needs something out of
this lean to, and there's a lean to probably about
twenty yards from when we're aparked. He's I'll give I'll
get up close as close as we can to it
(20:43):
and just grab whatever it was, get in the truck,
and then if we have to leave, we'll leave. So
we did that. I take his shotgun because my thought
process was, well, if I'm getting up close to the
bush and something comes at me, whether it's a bear
or whatever, I'm pretty well. I just got a point
in the general direction, right Kevin, it's catching some double
(21:04):
lot yep. And he took my rifle and so I
get out start walking up and I'm pushing to this
lean to, probably about five yards away from it. So good, happy,
medium between the truck and the and then lean too.
I can see him, I remember, I can see my buddy.
He's over the door, just holding got my back, and
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I hear this loud howl, grawl, scream, roar like I
can't recreate the noise. Yeah, I can hear it. I
can't recreate it, and I froze. I froze up. I'm
I looked back. My buddy's jaws on the floor, and
I just hear him yell. Run all right, I think,
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And if I remember correctly, I ran to the lean too,
grab that stuff that I needed to grab, and I'm
hauling ass back. He had the truck turned around. I
went up and over the bed rails. In my head,
I'm thinking myself, this is how three horror movie starts.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yes, right, We're we're.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Flying on this trail and I could see headlights, light bar,
nothing else, So guns up like I'm ready to engage
whatever like, and I had something's coming out of these woods.
I'm ready to start slinging rounds at whatever's gonna come
out of these woods. We hit the main road, I
jump out of the back, hit get the truck. We're
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both you heard that, right? What the was that We're
going back and forth. We can't figure it out. He's
like the bear, that wasn't a bear. Never heard a
bear sound that before. I've never seen a bear first off,
right at this time of my life. But I know
that's not bears. Sound like, wasn't a mountain lion, wasn't
a coyote? I mean that that's the biggest predators we
(22:45):
have in New York. We end up, we make it
into I think it was the town of Portsville. Find
the gas station, pull into a parking spot, pass out.
Next thing you know, it's like six thirty seven o'clock
in the morning. We're probably running off of three hours
of sleepless point going to these we use the bathroom,
I think. Yeah. We talked about getting a couple of coffee.
(23:08):
Was like, dude, I'm starving. Let's just hit that diner
right by the base of the mountain and then we
go back up and investigate. So, uh, we hit the diner.
We're walking at this mind you, we're we got we
got cames on. I've got my marpat combat boots, black
black shirt, like one of them under our stretchy material.
(23:28):
My buddy's rocking. I'm madey one Woodland combat boots, same shirt.
I guess from an outside perspective, maybe we looked like
we're hunting. Maybe we looked like we're part of some
undisclosed government agency. I I don't know. But we walk
in and waiters has to sit down whatever, and it's
a nice little diner.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Unknown to us, it was like one of the only
cash only diners in the country. That's for the later
part of the story.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Well, we have there's one wherever we go, where we
go Bigfoot researching, there's a cash only place.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
There too, no signs in the door. We didn't know this.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Oh wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
So we walk in, we order our food, and I'm
just trying to make conversation at this point. We both
order our coffee our food, and I'm making a small
talk at this point and I was like, Hey, what
goes bump the night out here? And the waiters like,
what do you mean? I was like, well, what's the
local legends of the town, urban legends?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
You know?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
To people here, like just trying to you know, get
a little bit inform me, Like, yeah, the story of
a howling beast or something, anything, right, But it eases
our minds that we don't think we're crazy. We know
what we're kind of dealing with at this point, and
the waiters like, no, I explained the whole story of
what happened, and it was definitely in greater detail because
it wasn't seven years ago, but I mean it was
(24:51):
fresh in memory too. So I'm like, I'm explaining this
and he's like, no, no, never heard anything like that.
What do you think it was stasquatch. I was like,
you're just throwing accusations out there now, but no, I
don't think so, Like it's not it does at this point.
I you know, I'm interested in sasquatch hunting and stuff
like that, but it's not any vocalizations I've ever heard, Like,
(25:14):
I mean, i'd watch you know, Bigfoot Hunter and all
that stuff. He found that damn toy sound good, and again,
it just didn't sound like any of the vocalizations. So
I was like, no, I don't think so, you know whatever.
But the waiters demeanor changed, like he went from being
(25:34):
warm and welcoming to just being like really defensively on
the defensive, like well a little more aggressive too, And
so he looks at me. He comes back, drops the
food off, looks at me. He's like, you want our coffee?
I was like no, I'll actually have a mountain dew though,
So we're starting to eat Mountain Deuke gets dropped off
(25:57):
and there was inside the glass there was a like
a red rolling hates like I don't know how to
explain it, like the best Wagon relate it too, is
like right there at the chow haul and you go
grab something and the glass just then washed poorly and
you walk your watch like the red power cool, uh,
gatorade just swirl in your cup whatever? Right, Yeah, like
that's nasty, but it just didn't sit right with us
(26:20):
after everything that's happened. And my buddy looks at me
and I look at him. He's this isn't happening, is it?
I was like, well, it looks like it's happening. There's
this is happening whatever. Cool, So just full plates. Still,
we're like we're gone, get up, go to pay. We
pull our cards out pay and like it's cash only cool,
(26:43):
all right, So we scrounged it up like I don't know,
sixteen dollars in change out of the truck of our
walls whatever, our bill of like twenty two dollars total
for both of them. And so we're like, hey, can
we run in a town about three miles back, hit
the ATM up you know, no big deal. Well yeah,
one of you guys gotta stay here. No, no, that's not.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Like yeah, no, so we'll end up on the menu.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
He's like, they're like, well, you can leave a phone
a wallet, and I was like, no, that's not happening.
So he argued back and forth. Finally this old timer
stands up, slaps down a twenty dollars bill and says,
go on and get out of here, Roger. That appreciate it, boss,
Thank you. Have a good time, right, thank you. We're
walking out to this truck. Right. This isn't fucking happening.
This is how every horror movie. Yeah, I was like,
(27:33):
are we in wrong turn? It's just what's gonna happen?
You get whatever, end up in like hostile for or something.
We uh, we hit the trail, get back up to
the mountain where were the night before. Tiki torches are
still standing, and I was like, hey, we're here, let's
start searching. Whatever it was was big. We heard something
walking around, probably no more than fifty yards from us, like,
(27:57):
it's got if it's this big, making this kind of noise,
it's got leave some track, some sign, something, And both
of us are I don't want to say we're experienced
hunters at the time, but we're pretty well versed in
like tracking and hunting. You know, we grew up, we
grew up doing it. So we probably one hundred two
hundred yard just around the campground where we were that
(28:19):
night the night before, couldn't find anything, no tracks, no
no broken sticks, nothing was out of place. And we
hiked all over all over that mountain. Sun started, sun
started getting low, and we ended up making the decision
that we're gonna call for outside help, Like we don't
(28:39):
know what to do, we don't know what we're going against.
And we call one of our buddies who's an old
recon marine, and I was like, this is what's going on.
He's like, it's the most Marine Corps response to you're
gonna dig in all right, set up a fight, And
I was like, there's two of us, it's a very
poor fighting position. He's like, well, if I was closer,
(29:00):
i'd be there. But I think you guys have overstated
are welcome there. You need to get the hell out
of there. I was like, copy that, we're out. So
we end up taking off and that was the end
of that. They're so, I thought. So I reached out
to my buddy. After I got throw. I was on
the podcast with Prusky and I was like, have you
(29:20):
ever been back? I knew he's been back once before,
and he talked about there being stripped cigarettes around around
the perimeter and stuff like that, and I was like,
that's kind of weird, but maybe it's an old time
haunter or something like that, stripped as Ciga read so
that the filter is not polluting the environment or whatever.
And then the third time he went back, it was
(29:41):
him and some buddies. They spent the night and he
said that they hiked around outside of the cabin about
half a mile. He thinks that there's a group of
whatever we encountered living on that mountain, and I was like, well,
what makes you think think it goes? Well? I saw
a fire at night and I could hear like inhuman
(30:05):
talking or chanting or something something that didn't sound human,
definitely not English to him.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Samurai chatter?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Samurai chatter?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Is that a vocalization.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah, it sounds kind of like, you know, like an
old Kung Fu theater movie, you know, or like how
samurai sound when they talk to these other like the
you know what I mean, and orangutans actually will do
like a faux speech that sounds very similar. A lot
(30:38):
of people think that that's what their language sounds like.
And there's recordings like the Sierra sounds kind of have
a a samurai chatter kind of talk to.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Them about the Serra camp noises.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Or yeah, so that that's there. Now we've heard those. Pennsylvania, Okay,
a few years ago we had right outside, like you know,
we had people out, but there was right by the
base camp. The guys that were at base camp could
hear samurai chatter in the corner of the campsite and
(31:17):
then we heard it. I heard it was with another
guy or two from the same area on another visit
another night. So yeah, it's a real thing. I mean,
it happens.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
So I told this, I told that story to uh.
I can't remember who they were. This was your This
was some years ago one of Ohio foot Research people
or Big Baby. It was someone along them lines May
it was the b f r O. They were in
Ohio though. I remember that because I explained that whole
(31:56):
story to him and he's like, well, it sounds like
what you're doing, what you dealt with that night, and
that vocalization is in for sound maybe And I was like, well,
can you explain that? And he's like, well, it's something
like big cats do that paralyzed that it paralyzes their prey.
And I was like, okay, I mean I guess it
makes sense. Uh. A couple of weeks ago, I was
(32:17):
on the Midwest mid Thos podcast of Riley.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
And I just interviewed today. By the way, what's that
I just interviewed him today?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I love, but me and Riley kind of came up
came up the idea maybe it wasn't a sas squash
that we're dealing with, Maybe it was something else that
lives in there.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
But being it could be fairal people. I mean, the
fact the fact that there's a fire kind of is
a is a is a clue to that that your
buddy saw fire.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
That's kind of how we what we were thinking, or
people are more like cultists maybe whatever this thing is
in a sense, maybe we're thinking and more on the
uh paranormal side of it was a spirit, a forest
spirit or something.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Yeah, you never know. I mean it could be there's
some many Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
No.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
That night though has really like I don't want to
sound like like a sally for it, but it's messed
with me for a good bit, Like I feel afraid
of being in the dark in the woods.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Yeah no, I mean because we've had a we had
a very I guess you could call. I mean, I
didn't hear what you heard, right, but I've heard a
pretty hillacious howl, yell, scream.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
And but not only with that, I also felt it,
okay in your chest, like it was like yeah, yeah, no,
I you could feel it. It was just like now.
And I've also had two sasquatch encounters and both of
them included the same type of roar and I could
you could just feel it. It was like just power man.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
And like I said, I've said in my encounter, you
know when I reuh recall it, I could feel it
as much as I could hear it.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
That makes I I'm tracking because I mean, if I
thinking back to it, it was like, I don't know
how to explain it other than is like being at
a concert and feeling the base.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, yeah, no absolutely, man. So I you know, I've
done a bunch of these podcasts, man, and I get reports.
I talk to a lot of people, and uh so
one of the ones that is almost identical to that
that I remember getting as Amanda, the Sasquatch lady, that's
(34:52):
what her name is. And she works at the Expedition
Bigfoot Museum in North Georgia, and and she has a
childhood experience very similar with a with a scream, roar, bellow,
whatever you want to call it, just like that, and
she's it knocked her down because it was behind her
(35:17):
and like her brother and cousin saw it and just
took off running. So then she was like, whoa, maybe
I should run too, So she took off running and
then it yelled, you know it, uh let out it's
rar and it actually knocked her down. Sorry, shit, all enough.
(35:39):
Since four o'clock this morning.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I understand that another thing that I was kind of thinking,
I mean, this isn't the first weird thing like it
has not that that encounter has scared has maybe scared
of being in the woods at night alone. It is
called I do find comfort and having a hand a
(36:01):
gun on me. It's it's just I don't know if
it's just you know that I think I could defend myself.
I know I probably can't against one of these things.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I mean, how could you really? But that's kind of
how I feel.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah, I mean it's just it's a security blanket.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah, no, I understand, I totally. You know, so many
people do they they won't go out armed, you know,
or or they won't go out unarmed. That's what I mean.
I I'm on the fence, man. I it depends on
where I'm at.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Even my thought processes. Even if it is nothing out there,
it's a good thing to have on you in case.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, of course her.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I mean we could do like the old hunter safety. Yeah,
there's three shots in a row, which makes no sense
because sometimes you know, you miss that shooting deer a
couple of times. It's like her or is that someone
just really bad at shooting? But yeah, that that was
the first one I've had multiple Just I don't want
(37:04):
to I don't want to put labels on him. I
don't want to say it with sasquats.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah, because you don't actually know if I saw it
in the one thing if you saw it right, Yeah,
this is at my old house.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Actually, me and Buddy were out kyote hunt. It's January, Yeah,
it was. It was January. We were kyote hunting at night,
so we took turns to flashlights to scan the field.
And it wasn't really us trying to kyte hunt. We
we had no intentions of shooting at kyote. It was
just us hanging out in the woods and uh, this
(37:37):
was a visual encounter of something. I'm gonna put a
label on it because I don't know, but he's not,
you know, it's my turn to scan the flat scan
with a flash slamp, scan this headero in this field.
And we get to this big tree, like big oak tree,
old growth. It was I mean, doh, this tree is
four maybe four feet wide around. It's not someone can
(37:59):
stand behind it and hide. And we get this tree
and my buddy's like but he's like stop, what was that?
And I was like, what do you mean. He's like, dude,
I swear I saw something just peeking around the side
of the tree. And I was like, that's weird. Maybe
it's a crackhead or something. I don't know. I didn't
see it, so whatever, right. So maybe five minutes go by,
(38:20):
I was like, hey, shine a flashlight and we were
calling to see even getting cayotes in and you know,
he scans across across the field nakeds to this tree
and I see something peeking out from the other side,
and I don't know if it's just my mind playing
tricks on me or whatever. Yeah, and I was like stop.
(38:40):
I was like, is that the same tree that you
saw something. He's like, yeah, that's the same tree. Like, okay,
I seen something. Maybe there's maybe there's someone out of
my property. Let's go investigate. So we started walking up
to the woods and we're probably at the fifty yard mark.
It's dark enough that I can see the tree line.
I can't see anything any detail the tree line. I
could see this and I don't know if it's just
(39:04):
how to explain it, but I felt like the weight
of the world was on my chest and just the
anxiety was building up of whatever it was, and I
was like, I don't like this, don't like this one bit.
And so next thing you know, you just hear a
loud crack like something stepped on a big, big branch
or something that and it broke and that was enough
(39:26):
that we both froze up. And I think I had
like twenty two magnum with me, and if I said
I was lying, I did a Churchill mad minute. It
was just pop, clickop, just popping rounds down range. Don't
know why. It was just felt like the right thing
to do. And I'm I know there's no one, there's
no houses, there's nothing but that woodline that these rounds
(39:50):
are gonna go flying into. That's when it hurt someone.
So I'm just punching rounds downrange. As my buddies were
running away. We turn around, ran probably for a couple
hundred yards, got to where we felt was a safe distance,
and we're at this point we're deep briefing what we
just what just happened, and reach you guess kind of said, well,
(40:11):
what is what it is? Whatever it was, it's funny, yo,
maybe we're gona here. Loud footsteps come run out behind us,
and then you're here a loud bang as sasquatch hit
iust and fell on his ass. Like we're trying to
make the best of the situation that just stuck with us.
So flash forward to the summer. We're probably ten miles
(40:32):
from where I was living, fishing this creek, middle of
the woods, probably two o'clock in the morning, three o'clock
in the morning. We're fishing this creek and we're both tired.
We're done for the day. Fish aren't biting anymore. So
we pack our stuff up, walk up to our trucks,
and my buddy reaches in his pockets, doesn't have his keys.
(40:54):
I'm like, ah, they're back down there at the log.
Aren't thing. He's like yeah. I was like, well, I'll
leave him this up my truck. I'll go down there
with you so way you don't, you know, twist an
ankle or something down there, just good safety practices. Start
walking down there, and we get up to this log
and I could see the log from like with the
moon illuminating there the trail, I can see this log
(41:16):
and you just hear this loud and splash, splash gone.
This river is probably about twelve feet wide, good five
six feet deep, and it was just two slashes, just splash, splash,
and then it must have cleared the other bank, hit
the other bank, and gone up the embankment. My buddy
(41:37):
froze up. At this point, I've had enough weird stuff
had to me right, glock comes out. I pushed to
the keys, grab them. I'm like, start walking. We walked
back up to the truck and we're like, what was that?
Don't know? Okay, cool, just put in the file book
of weird stuff, weird stuff, and that will was one
(42:00):
of the last ones I had in New York. So
I moved to Kansas and then something else. I don't
know what it was. You know, I had a lot
of people telling me it was a cougar. I saw.
I've never seen a cougar move that fast, nor that
high off the ground. It's not Spider Man climbing from
tree to tree, I'll tell you that. But that's this ranch.
(42:22):
I was, uh, we're uh, we're they call like like
we call them like gullies and like ravine. They call
them canyons out here. So we're in this canyon, uh,
fixing an old fence. I mean it's been it's old
like I think it's an old river. Its old river
batter or something like that. Had all the sand and stuff,
and we're down there working sid Besides behind me, I
(42:45):
had my I have my Sake three twenty on my
hip and we're just having all the conversation. Whatever next thing,
you know, like from having birds and insects making noise
to excuse me, absolutely nothing, just dead silent, like you
could drop a pin right and you could hear it.
And I was like, oh, I don't like this, and
(43:08):
other ranch hands like why it's peaceful, like no, bubble,
this ain't peaceful like where I grew up. If you
hear if this happens, it's bad. There's something out there
that is hot food chained in us. And he's like, ah,
you're just you're just overthinking it. But whatever. So I
turn around to go grab something out of the back
(43:28):
to the side by side, and out of the corner
of my eye, I see something probably seven eight feet tall,
dark brown, like a reddish brown, just from tree, got
from tree to tree and it moved, I mean it
moved quick and it was enough that it startled me
where I drew my hand my gun and I'm sitting
(43:51):
there staring and just trying to get an eye, like
an eye on where the hell this thing's last position was.
Can't see it. My ranch ranch hands like what what
was that? What did you see? And I explained to me.
He's like, oh, it's probably a cougar, your eyes playing
tricks on you or something like, oh, just a cougar,
Just just a cougar, Like.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
That's just probably a cougar.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Something I've never thought I want to here. And so
we finish up that fence. Uh started driving these all
these cows and calves into this pastor, and I mean
they're spilling out any spot they could find, like they
did not want to be in the front of. We
get them all pushed in there, shut the gate, go
(44:34):
home for the day, come back in the next morning,
and all these these cows are just spilled out into
the pastor we just got them out of. I mean,
they broke the fence and everything. I'm like, that's a
lot of work. So we get we were riding through
this fucking pasture and I hear a ranch hand, you know,
(44:56):
motion over for me. So I ride over there and
I look down and there's this calf that's just destroyed.
I mean, I've seen coyotes attack calves, but I've never
seen just one utilated more or less, just you know
what I mean, Like, yeah, it's unnatural. And he's like,
(45:16):
what do you think did it? I was like, dude,
I don't know. Maybe a kyo and he's like, there
are some clean ass bites for a coyote. I was like,
yeah they are. I mean we had calves that would
just uh, this one calf had a chunk probably about
ya big taken out of this hind quarter, just clean cut,
(45:37):
just gone. I mean it was red and you know, nasty,
but it was it wasn't like it wasn't what you expect.
Does that make sense? But yeah, we're sort of right
back to this fence line trying to make sure it's
still good to go, and the ranch hand calls over
to me, says, hey, come here, and he's holding this
reddish brown hair. He's like, found I found your call prit.
(46:02):
I was like, where'd you find that? Grant we're running,
we're running all black cattle. Yeah, so we have we
have you know, black angus, and we have some black baldies.
So there's no red hair that's hurt. They're all black
and white whatever. So I was like, where'd you find that?
He's like that was about chest level or like right
here on me in this briar patch, and I was like, well,
(46:23):
that's pretty fucking that's taller than any of the cows
we have. That's pretty up and that's pretty close to
why or I saw it was that day that he started, well,
maybe Kyle's right about something. We never sent it off
to get tested because I never really thought about it
and never really I don't even send it off to
get tested, right Like, I'm I'm in small town Kansas,
(46:46):
so we have two thousand people if that, No, I
don't have the resources for that. And I didn't really
care enough at the point, like this point in my life,
I was really I wasn't out of being interested in
this stuff. It just wasn't a priority of mine. That's
at that point, and that it was what hasn't been
to the last three or four months. That December, because
(47:08):
we me and my old lady were headed down to
Tennessee and I was listening to uh the Confessionals and
Drewski was on there, yeah and Driski. I really just
enjoyed the episode. So I found on Instagram, started following him,
started listening to his podcast and everything, and I reached
out to him one day tell my story like hey,
(47:31):
am I crazy? And then yeah, we're now we're here
and being surrounded by people like you, Riley, Drewski and
everyone else. It's just it's reignited that passion to want
to know more.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Yeah. Right, It's like it's it's a it's a rabbit hole, man, Dude,
I would.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Love to go on and investigate on an operation with
Drew Ski.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Yeah, Drew.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
He also said that whenever I want to or said,
I'm in if I remember correctly, which I'm ecstatic about,
not really static to get to put myself into the
show position.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Yeah, man, no, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
But also at the same point, I'm older, I know more,
and I'm surrounded, I'm surrounded by people that know what's
going on. They could be like, hey, you know, get
that get that gun up.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah, I can tell you. Yeah, Riley, you had a
hell of a number done on and I hurt in Tennessee.
Oh man. Him and I talked about a lot of
it today, not just on the podcast, but uh, off offline,
(48:45):
and I know it kind of put him through the
ringer a little scared the crap out of him. I
mean it sounds like he's uh sounds like he's not
been exposed to stuff, right, But there's certain spots that
you get into, man, that are just it's a it's
(49:09):
a different environment. I find Allegheny National Forest in one
of those places, it's just got a error, it's got
an electricity, there's like an air there is. There's something
different there, like whether it's you know, and people be like, oh, yeah,
(49:29):
it's you know, lay lines and whatever. I don't know.
But at the end of the day, it's it's a
different feeling, right, I mean. And I've been in the
woods since I was a kid, just like you've said,
and then being in the military. I've been all over
the world in the woods, Alaska, California, you know, you
(49:55):
name it, Uh, everywhere down south and the Carolinas and
Florida and uh it's the swampiest of swamps man, you know,
and it just you it's a whole nother place. And
where they are in East Tennessee, western North Carolina, that
(50:18):
whole Appalachia Corridor, It's there's something really going on there, right, Yeah,
all the legends are just insane, and it's a different
like I've like him and I talked about earlier. It's
a different type of dark there too, Like.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
So living out here, this is something that's really hard
to explain to people how dark it is like where
we're from just even in the southern tier and that's
still that's still Appalachia.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
I know a lot of people don't like, don't like
to say that, but I would.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
I would agree though.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Like ell Agan, I don't know if it's just the
pines and the Old Girl Forest or what.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
Something it is.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
It's one of those places like you're saying, it's different,
there's different. It's it's the area. Yeah, it's like algy
at night.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
Yeah, oh god. I you know, so this is the
last time that we were in I think you and
I talked right before, right after.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
I was headed up to Pennsylvania at that time.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
And we uh so, I haven't looked at the footage yet,
but I had go pros on my car facing like
three sixty. But that night one of my one of
the guys too, had some sort of incident with something
(51:50):
and it could have been you know, it could be
like a deer or a fox or something. But I've
like looked at I've listened to like all the footage
basically of the internet. Plus I had I really had
a couple of different AI programs analyze this, and it
basically was like no unidentified wildlife right, And I couldn't
(52:17):
place it. It's kind of like, oh maybe as a fox.
Maybe it was hurt so I don't know, but either way,
there was some but he was saying he could see
something in the tree and you couldn't. You can't really
see it on the video, and then it started coming
down the tree and he was like, Okay, we gotta go,
you know, like this is not cool, but making some
(52:41):
weird noises, right. And one of the things that we've
had happened there is we literally heard what would be
like if you were watching National Geographic watching a chimpanzee documentary,
like with like Diane Fosse or or uh whatever the
(53:02):
she's that's the gorilla lady, who's the the chimp lady?
Doesn't matter either way, like a watching and listening to
like chimpanzees fighting in the woods, right, And we we've
literally heard that there at night, just insane and it
(53:24):
wasn't like it was just me or just me and
like one other person note is like five six seven people.
And one of the craziest parts about that is that
we had a recorder running a very good recorder at
that and we have about a four minute gap and
(53:47):
audio really right when we would have right when you
would have heard those chimpanzees fighting, monkeys fighting in the
woods of Pennsylvania. And then so you hear everything before it,
you hear everything after it, but there's and you couldn't
even hear us being like, oh my god, do you
(54:08):
hear that. It's just it's fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Just sounds like it's redacted.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Yeah, it's just not there. It's it's not there on
the on the recorder's I mean, the time is there,
but the actual audio is gone. There's no audio. It's weird.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
That's some Uh how'd I say this extraterrestrial type?
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Yeah, so there's there's that. I've also had batteries get drained.
I've had all kinds of stuff, stuff that's very paranormal
type stuff going on, that's evolve sasquatch, Like I know
there was something right there. And when I tried to
get it on thermal my my, because I have a
(54:53):
thermal camera that hooks to my iPhone and I had
two iPhones fully charts waiting ready, and I plugged the
one in fired it up. I mean it literally fires
up in like three seconds. Boom, brought it up, phone
goes dead. It went from on to dead and then
(55:15):
I switched it out, did like a mag reload, but
with the you know, with the with the thermal thermal,
and within three seconds had the other one up and
it went dead too. And I'm not saying it like
didn't work, you know, like at that moment, No, No,
(55:36):
the batteries were dead and they were fully charged. I
had just charged them trying to set up, and it
was an ambush. I was setting up this camera trap
type thing because I was using infrared cameras and uh,
(55:58):
because I have two IR cameras and then I have
two game cams that are also infrared camera and video,
and I had them all in strategic you know. I
was setting up a funnel, so I wanted it to
(56:19):
go here. So I had everything covered around this little
fence line that we've got except for that, and it
came right up to the to the fence where I
wanted it to, just like I knew it would get
it up camera. So I just now, I just use
cameras as a deterrence for when I sleep at night. Yeah,
(56:45):
I set up I set up game cams around my
car because I have a rooftop tent now, So I
set game cams up around my car and infra. I
have these magnetic the infrared cameras that I have, I
have a magnet on them so I can literally stick
them right to this out of my car. That's all.
That's so I have two there, and then I have
(57:06):
the game the trail camps as well. And ever since
I've done that, I've had nothing mess with my where
I sleep.
Speaker 5 (57:15):
At least That's what I've found that like a lot
of times talking about like sasquatch and stuff, the lines
between extraterrestrial and uh paranormal blur.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
Yeah, No, I agree, I totally agree.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
I don't and fully why it does. I don't think
I ever will, but the same Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
I mean, I go, I go way off what I
think is going on. I I I I don't even
care anymore. I've been doing this long enough and I've
got enough experience out there to know that it's not
a to me. It's just not a discovered how in it,
(58:01):
you know? I think there's I think it's a hybrid. Frankly,
I mean, and I've said this on the on another
podcast this week, because I've been sitting on the fence
for a long time, because what I say, is because
it's crazy, but I don't care. It's it's not crazy,
(58:21):
it's just not you know, the normal thing. And I
think that they are a hybrid at what you would
call what's called an eliude, but just then eliud is
a is a basically the children of a nephilim.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Okay, that's why it sounds familiar now.
Speaker 3 (58:43):
And uh, you know, but that's what I think they are.
I mean, so, I think I think that if you
really want to like hear a great definition of what
they I'll probably put something together here soon. But one
of the ask people to explain it is Lam r
Zuli and what he thinks. And because I I really
(59:06):
do agree, not one, but you know, I agree a
lot with that, just from my own experiences that I've got,
plus just the spidey senses that I have, so I
would I was thought to say, and I don't care
what anyone else says. I never have either, but I
(59:29):
you know, I just kind of I just kind of
was noncommittal. But now I'm a little not militant about it.
But yeah, I'll talk about it now.
Speaker 2 (59:41):
When I've I kind of stopped caring what people think
me and Riley were talking about this a couple of
weeks ago. I think it was on his podcast too,
I talked about it. I don't know if I if
this was a dream or this actually happened. The details
that are really fuzzy, but this was my old lady
(01:00:05):
was still in her apartment that she was she was
in when we met. I spend the night. This is
right on the same time that the drones or whatever
was seen around Jersey and everything right they were seen
them all across the country. I said, I don't know
if it was a dream. I to this day I'm
unsure whether it's real life or not. I remember we
(01:00:27):
I walked in the bedroom and I'm looking out the
window and I see the green light in the sky
just womp, womp, just Paul sitting and I started speeding up.
I got faster and faster and faster, and I got
dizzy once again. I don't know if this is a
dream or this actually happened, but I have a very
vivid memory, but still where I got dizzy, couldn't stand up,
(01:00:48):
face planeted into the ground, woke up in bed. I
have never I woke up and I was like, did
that happen? Was that a dream where she got up.
I mean, she woke up later that morning and I
was like, was I in bed last night? And she's like, well,
I sleep really heavy, so I don't know, but I
think you were. I was like, did I go to
(01:01:08):
bed with you? Like I lay down in bed and
she's like, I think so I don't remember. I'm like,
was I abducted? If by aliens? Or like what's up? Yeah,
now I tell this story, and I'm really hoping like
the G men show up over this right.
Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Right right now. I know, yeah, I had a crazy
I don't know if I've ever told that story. Well,
I think I'm gonna tell it and then we can
wrap this up. So I was driving back from Syracuse
to it's when I was in the Army. So Syracuse
(01:01:48):
to Watertown it's about an hour, and I lived out
in town. I didn't live on base, so it was
it was almost an hour from where we were at
the door. And now we had been at a bar,
but we decided that we weren't Like, we were supposed
to stay at one of our buddies girlfriend's house, and
it just didn't work out. I can't remember why, but
(01:02:12):
we were just like nah, I don't want to sleep
on like a cout skull. I wasn't like I was
fine to drive that kind of thing. And I wasn't like,
you know, tired, really and I remember because otherwise I
wouldn't have driven, you know, but it was like probably
(01:02:32):
I want to say, it was eleven or twelve at night,
like sometime around midnight. And I really wish that I
had known exactly what time it was because we're driving
just and I was listening to music kind of loud,
but my buddy had passed out. And I remember. The
last thing I remember seeing the exit prior to the
(01:02:56):
exit that we get off at right and I didn't
live that far off the exit, so we were like
really close to home, like two three miles right. Next
thing I remember. Next thing I remember is I see
in front of me this the Thousand Islands Bridge, which
is the bridge the frit It's the bridge prior going
(01:03:18):
into Canada. Yeah, up front, but it's from where we
were at. It's like thirty something miles from where I
was at at that exit. The last thing I remember
to when I woke up, because that's how I felt like.
I woke up at the bridge and like maybe two
(01:03:42):
hundred meters from the toll booth where you have to
pay to go over the bridge. And I woke up
like I was late for work, like driving, but I
was fucking driving, and I don't I literally don't remember
anything between then and then for forty miles thirty it's
like thirty five miles.
Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
We're talking a time of probably what about forty five minutes.
Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Yeah, and I don't know. I don't know time. I
didn't see, Like I wish I had looked at the
clock and like known, but I didn't. So that's what
I call my alien abductions. Who knows. Maybe I fell
asleep and like rumble stripped it all the way down.
But I was on a major highway now, needless to say,
(01:04:27):
it's very you know, it's I eighty one is what
I was on between Syracuse and Canada, and on a
but it was like a Friday night or something Saturday night.
It was random. I can't believe that I would fall
asleep and then drive that whole way and not crash. Yeah, no,
(01:04:49):
I don't care if there's rumble strips, you know what
I mean, Like, no, it's not It just doesn't make
sense to me. I guess it's possible, but that's me
trying to rationalize. But I don't know whether any other way.
I mean, maybe there was some sort of time slip.
There could have been a who knows, but it was
very weird it so yeah, so yeah, man. So the
(01:05:14):
name of the show broadcasting seeds. So I like to
plant seeds in people's brains. So I like to ask
my guests at the end, you know what, do you
got got some seed to plant, maybe to help the
audience out, or you know whatever, some some seed that
(01:05:35):
you might have a nugget of wisdom or uh, you know, hey,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Man, I don't want to quote the X Files, but
the truth out there, it is somewhere. Not everything is
what it seems. Trust, I mean, make your own opinions
on stuff. Whether I mean and it's good. It's with
the territory of believing this stuff that you know, people
(01:06:04):
gonna say we're crazy. But go spend a night out
in the woods, go find you know, your local bigfoot
researcher groups or whatever that go and put on expeditions.
You will figure out to believe or go on ghost hunts.
Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
You'll believe my wife and kids always make fun of me,
and then I'm like, hey, why don't you come out
with me? And they're like no, no.
Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
No, Yeah, it's because there's that possibility that they're that
they're wrong. Yeah, And a lot of the skeptics that
I've talked to, and I'll sit there and be like,
well it's going. Let's I could take you to some
spots in the appellations that weird stuff happens, and they're like, no,
I'm all right, why good wait because it's the apple
they're scary absolutely what makes correct? Well, I don't that's
(01:06:48):
the stories. Well, bubba, if you want to, if you
if you don't believe, there's nothing to be afraid of them.
Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
But I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
I appreciate you having me on. Man.
Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Yeah, it's a good time. We'll do it again at
some point, right on. All right, Yeah, I am man.
Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
I'm I'm more down.
Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
I'm more than down to come out of the came
all right, man?
Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Then four or five hors.
Speaker 7 (01:07:18):
Yeah, I got bad thoughts that make my mind scared,
hold me hostage and they don't fight fair, who're gonna
pray for me?
Speaker 6 (01:07:25):
And white bro? My tests who're gonna save me? If
you're not right here, move this darkness and make my
sight clear, to take me your way because I don't
like you. Go stop my past day feeling the night
and wake me up. And trapped in my nightmass, trapped in.
Speaker 7 (01:07:47):
My Nightmas, trying and trying and not mouthed, deeping apparitions
of all my demons, all my thoughts are come making treason.
Speaker 6 (01:08:05):
All alone, going hear me screaming manifest ships on my fists,
regrets that stretched out for light years. You can almost
touch the light. Homiees right there, body free but attracting
my Nightmas. I'm don't let me your life to fade.
Speaker 7 (01:08:22):
All my life is faith now, all my life is
face and mad. Else why I don't let me, Johnny,
My life is fading. All my life is fading.
Speaker 6 (01:08:44):
We need trapping my Nightmas.
Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
Shop shopping a
Speaker 6 (01:09:21):
Gold called
H you're live, Kyle, tell us who you are and
(01:01):
what you do.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Man, my name's Kyle. I'm done a little bit of everything.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Help op, Kyle.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I've managed, I've uh, you know, done my cow I
don't my para share of cowboys stuff. But that's all
a little bit behind me for now. I'll just turn
wrenches and annoying my co co orders with really random
facts about the weirdest in nature.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
For sure. So you're from New York born raised? Yep,
I'm where.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I was born, Western New York, Buffalo area.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
All right, join the Marine Corps eighteen seventeen seventeen, look
at you?
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Yeah, I know, what's that one of those ones I
have a plan for life. I was like, career Marine Corps.
This is it? Right. My uncle really didn't give me
much of a choice. He told me you got two options.
You're joing the Marine Corps or during the Marine Corps.
Or I said, well, what if I want to go
Air Force? He's like, we don't talk about that.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
It's like talking about the air Force. Gotcha, that's great.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
A little known fact. Wasn't smart enough to get in
the Air Force. They so what you get? You're on
your air as bab I said, I got it twenty
two and they're like, nah, you're all right, go that way.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Bye bye. Yeah, I understand that. So all right, So
how did you get into this like world of high strangeness, Like,
because I've seen you on a few other shows, so
(02:52):
talk about some of these experiences that you've had, and
just like started to beginning whatever. It's good.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
You know, I'm not gonna plenty labels or anything, but
I'm pretty sure I grew up in a haunted house.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Bought this house in the middle of nowhere, and I
was in fourth grade. Yeah, I was in third or
fourth grade. End of third grade, began a fourth grade,
I can't remember frame, but moved in and just weird
things started happening. My little sister. I have two younger sisters,
So my oldest younger sister one issue, was in her
(03:30):
room and I walked by. She's sitting there talking to someone.
And I looked over and there's no one there, like
who you're talking to? And she's like, Connie, she's my friend.
Oh okay, that's cool. I told my mom. I was like, hey,
she's being weird, you know. We I's like, she has
an imaginary friend. You had one too growing up. It's like, hey,
(03:51):
I wasn't that weird. I wasn't talking in the corner
to them, but whatever. So and then just weird things
after that would happen, like you'd hear footsteps or you'd
hear just something didn't sound right. It's probably about three
four weeks after that. We were turning the bait our
basement into a family room with a storage room, laundry room,
(04:12):
and then an additional bedroom. And I was in the
storage room. The studs are up, sheet rocks on. Storage
room's got all the stuff that we just haven't had
a chance on packed. I was going through some boxes
looking for something of mine and I look over in
the corner and I see best what I can describe
is the girl from the Grudge or the Ring. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(04:35):
And she just sitting there, hands in her head, and
I'm like, so, I look down, look back up, and
as I was doing that, was thing myself, well, she's gone.
I'm running and she's not there. I mean she's still there.
I'm still running, like either way we're out. I'm not
dealing with this. Then I look down, I look back up,
and she's gone. So I skid oatled out there and
(04:55):
told my mom about it. Mom didn't say anything, just
thought I was seeing things, probably thought it was crazy.
And then just more weird stuff would happen. Now, my
dad one night saw someone with long blonde hair, out
of the corner of his eye, run through the living
like around the the corner of the living room into
the dining room, got up search the entire house. Now,
(05:16):
mind you, my sister has long blonde hair, so he
thought it was her, that she was out of bed
or whatever. And uh, he went and checked on her
and she was still she was in bed. It's like
midnight or so. We'd see like weird things would just
go missing, get moved. One night, we all went out somewhere,
came home, and we had a ceramic chicken. That's how
(05:40):
my mom decoraded the kitchen. I don't know what the
hell of the point was of doing farm like we
lived on a farm. Why do we have to make
the kitchen look like it? Besides the point, the ceramic
chicken had the middle toe broke off. She placed on
the counter like that's weird, Like someone's gonna they broke
in the house. They're not gonna be like, oh, damn,
broke your stuff. Here here it is, and doors were
(06:00):
locked by themselves, you know, you'd my room was ended
up being in the basement. I'd hear like, I know
everyone was asleep because I'd just be upstairs, use the
bathroom whatever, come back down there. I'd hear footsteps just thunk, thunk, thunk.
Uh that basement actually just as a kid scared the
hell out of me, Like you know a lot of people,
(06:23):
that was the opposite. And they had turned the light off,
run up the stairs, but the light switched to the
basement was upstairs. So I'd turn the lights switch off
and run down the stairs to get the Yeah. No,
I figured out how to strategically like turn the londer
room light on and turn my room light on so
that I could have a path of light. So I'd
run down the stairs, hit the hit the path of light,
(06:43):
hit the lawnder room light, and it was like two
steps bam into my room. So there's weird things like
that happened. And then uh there was It's probably about
my sophomore year of high school. My little sister, my
youngest was old enough to like talk and draw, and
(07:05):
she had my old my other sister's room. She my
other sister moved into my old room and my room
was in the basement.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
One day, my little sister comes walking out of the
bedroom piece of paper, and on that paper was me,
my mom, my dad, mother, sister, the family dog, my
other sister, and then some other girl with long blonde hair.
And we sat there and we asked her, like, who's
that and she's like, that's Connie. She's my friend. She
(07:34):
used to live here. And I was like, oh, she's
weird too. I don't know how we have two weird
ones in the family. But my dad's the biggest skeptic.
Like still to this day, he like. I've asked him
about it and he's like, ah, I'm just it was
a it was a name someone heard in the house
and that's where it came from. I have a prod
(07:56):
memory of sitting on a couch, homesick from school, watching
Haunting and I'm just watching TV doing my own thing.
Next thing I hear from another room. I hear Kyle,
and I was like, huh, maybe maybe it was on
a TV. So pause, rewind, play it through, didn't hear it?
(08:19):
Pause rewind? I tied did that about ten times or
so and couldn't recreate it. So I was like, that's weird.
Don't know, explain that. One senior year of high school,
I was downstairs watching TV and the girl I was
doing in high school was there. We're sitting there on
(08:42):
the couch, on the couch we had down there, and
behind us, I saw a shadow like, p what's what
we're moving for? Its shadow was properly because I was
against the wall, so you could see the shadow just
walk like this right behind us. We both looked at
each other and said, Nah, that didn't happen. There's no
one downstairs. There's no way they commend someone outside because
(09:04):
the little basement window lights are the windows, and it
was a full body. You could see head all the
way down with some detail like I mean, you can
see the arms swinging, legs moving. It was enough that
it freaked us both out and we skidaddled after that,
like just it's what really got me into it. And
(09:25):
Buddy would would go out camping and hunting in the
wood in the woods, being kids doing our thing, and
we'd hear weird things at night and then just I
don't know, it's interesting, like the unexplained just has always
fascinated us.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Agreed same. What is your so haunted house? Did you
have any experiences in the military or not.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Had do you nothing really noteworthy? Uh? And I really
hate to tell boot camp story, but I was on
fire Watch what night. It's always one parasylence haunted.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah that oh yeah, man, hell yeah, it's on it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
I had a buddy that came I was in the dept.
He came back from the debt program. Uh, he came
back from boot camp and he was telling a story
of how he Uh, a guy in Vietnam, Cammis showed up.
It was like, I need a mop and he's like, dude,
who the hell are you? I need I need a mop, man,
(10:32):
I need a mob and my buddy and he's like,
I don't know where you who you are, where you belong?
You don't belong here. Ran Off never saw him again
and he went around the well the next morning, was like, hey,
you know, this is what I've seen. Was this anyone
with me or whatever? But me personally? Uh, I was
(10:53):
on fire Watch one night and I'm sitting there one
of our guys right next to right next to me.
I think I was writing a letter home at this point,
trying not to fall asleep. It's two o'clock in the morning,
and out of the corner of my eye, I see
a shadow dark across squad Day and I'm like and
(11:14):
I looked over, I'm like, talking it you see that?
And he's like, yeah, so what do you think it is?
Someone's out of the rack or whatever. So we go
make our way down the squad day check everything out.
I'm walking back and you know, from the head you
hear whispering. I remember what toilet was too, it was
toilet seven. And we're sitting there. I'm like, dude, this
(11:37):
someone in there. I was like, how did they get
past us? I was like, maybe it's one of our
drill instructors messing with us or something like maybe this
is a test, Like there's gotten something, some reason behind this.
So we go to ahead and we're walking through and
it's just my heart's beating through my chest right now.
I'm like, something's gonna happen. And get up there and
(11:58):
they're no one there. That's like, Okay, that was weird.
Don't not explain it.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, that's something. It just I just bookmarked something on
my phone to look because I had never really thought
about haunted Paris Island, and if any place that's haunted,
it's a freaking place.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Well you have the red of the Red River.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Incident, Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, or the drill instructor was hammered, marches, uh ople
tune out into the swamps, tide came.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
In, and I can imagine there's a lot of trauma there.
So yes, you know, so you can imagine there's some uh,
there's got to be I mean not just and not
just like Marine Corps base. There's probably some more stuff too,
you know, considering that that whole area. But I know
(12:49):
that there's some consideration to like shut it down of
Paris Island of all places, you know, but they want
everyone to I don't know. It had something to do
with weather, you know, extreme who the hell knows, got
something to do with climate change, I'm sure, but that
(13:10):
was a while ago, so I don't know if that
actually went anywhere, but exactly so, but uh so let's
uh go into Sasquatch. So you had you and I
had texted because Drew Ski had texted me. He's like, dude,
(13:33):
you got to have this guy on the show.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
So say, if I'm not, if I'm not mistake. It's
kind of your neck of the woods too.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah, ish, right now, it's because what what you were
saying is you've had the experience. It's right over the
New York Pennsylvania border. It's like right in Allegheny, right, it.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Was on the New York Pennsylvania Seriesville. Okay, some buddy's
got a hunting cabin down there up on one of
the mountains.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah. I live up in Syracuse, but I do a
lot of research down in Pennsylvania. That's what it is,
what it is.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Okay, we was down there, that little podunk town. I
mean you could throw a rock from where we walked
across the Pennsylvania border.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
That's basically everything from the Finger like south anyway. Man,
as you know, it's all it's country.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
So the one night we uh yeah, buddy, we're sitting
around a fire and we're like, we should go down
to camp. This is October thirtieth, it's the twenty ninth
of the thirtieth. We left thirty first to come back,
and because we were raising the clock to get to
(14:47):
a Halloween party. I remember that. Of course, hey, party.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Time, nobody wants to be out in the dark deep
voids Halloween man.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
So we uh, we got the br Yeah, one night,
let's go camping. So the next morning we come, we
are pack and get everything going, getting all our gear situated,
you know, food. We're planning for two days, maybe a
day and a half. No, we didn't get on the
road till about six o'clock at night, five thirty, and
(15:18):
we hit countered multiple hiccups. Every small town cop in
western New York was like, hey, they're the ones that
get I mean, we got pulled over and it was like, Hi, yeah,
how pops his head in, He's like, you guys are fine,
you're not drinking or driving. We're like, you don't want
a license? He's like, now you're fine. I don't care.
I'm just trying to get Dwis. It's like, okay, cool,
(15:39):
we made it down past, Like what was it like? Dry?
Anne State trooper pulls us over, looks at us, stiff
the car. He's like drinking. You guys had anything to drink?
Like no, we're just trying to go camping. All right,
get out of here. I'm like, damn state cops ling
leus go what this is? And finally, so we finally
ended up down where we're we're trying to be. It
(16:00):
was probably two three o'clock in the morning, it couldn't
have been any later than that. And we pulled in
and it was just like, this is awesome. It's dark,
you know, we can't really see what we're looking at,
but this is awesome. So my buddy's like, do you
want to make camp inside the cabin or just call
it a night in the truck. And I was like,
(16:22):
let's just call a night in the truck. Cabin's got
no power, you know, we barely have flashlights. It's just
let's I'm not trying to count a raccoon that's gonna
bite my ass or whatever. So we started sleeping in
the truck. My boys passed out. I'm in the passer's seat.
Probably I'm Vine or Facebook or something with my limited service,
(16:43):
and excuse me. I hear on the window a tap
like a pet, like a stone or something. It's someone
thrown at it. And I'm like, huh, that's weird. Whatever.
The truck's settling, and trucks make vehicles make weird noises
when they're cooling down whatever. Well again, and I was like,
could still be the truck cooling down happens again. So
(17:06):
I wake my boy up and I'm like, hey, something
going on. I don't know how to explain it. This
is what I'm hearing. And he's like, yeah, you're probably
hearing things. Whatever. Well, it happened while he is awake,
and he looks at me at mean, he's like, there's
something out there. And it's like, then, try to tell
you this for the last thirty minutes. But hey, let's
go with your theory now. So, uh, we rolled the
(17:27):
window down and we could hear something outside just trumping
through the rush. Our first thoughts like, ah, there's someone
out here messing with us. Either some tweak or sauce
come up the mountain they're gonna try to do whatever,
or it's up here or whatever. So we get out
and I have my rifle, he has his shotgun. We
(17:48):
say our spiel, Hey, you know there's anyone here messing
with us, We feel threatened, YadA, YadA, YadA, Like sleep alone.
We don't even bothered. We're armed, we're not afraid to
defend ourselves. And I told my buddy, I was like,
let one fly, you know, right in front of us
in the dirt. That's gonna stop. That's gonna church just
(18:08):
about ninety percent of anybody. You gotta be psychotic to
come after someone after you hear a gunshot. So he
lets one fly and the noise stops. I'm like, okay, cool,
so I'll get back to my truck. And my buddy's like,
I don't know if that was you know, maybe it's
just it is someone there shouldn't be. This is private property.
We're a mile and a half up this mountain, like
(18:29):
it doesn't make any sense, and I was like, nah,
it doesn't make any sense to me either, but whatever.
So we're sitting there, windows are down and next thing
you know, you heard just allowed to crack. We're like, okay, cool,
someone's out there. And somewhere in this time I can't
remember because we went up and down this something. It
scared us off the mountain. The first time. We got
(18:50):
to the main road and we both worked each other
like we have guns. Why are we running. I was like,
that's a good point. Run back up the mountain. Somewhere
in the night though, we put teaky torches out, and
I remember putting around the truck and uh, how did
it go? We let the teaky torches got back in
the truck. I looked at him. I was like, dude,
(19:13):
it feel it feels like we just put the candle
on the dinner table because we can only see the
tea torches. We couldn't see past it. And I was
like this, this sucks. And one by one they all
started just you know, spluttering out, just thunk thunk thunk out.
It's like, okay, that's unsettling. So my buddy's like, do
you want to sleep? I'll take first watch. I was like,
(19:34):
I'm not sleeping after this, Like I'm my address there
is right Like, well, I'm going to sleep. I was like,
then you take sleep, I'll take first watch. Whatever. Cool.
He's out cold, and I'm like awesome, I'm here. My
I'm just here. My thoughts with what are the hells
out there? I'm sitting there. He wakes up after like
twenty minutes, they're screaming they're here, they're gonna get us.
(19:57):
We need to leave. I was like, I don't know
who they are or what they want with us, or
why they're going to get us, but that's enough information
for me to say we should leave. So we high
talent down tiki torches are still standing. We get to
the base of the mountain. Once again, we're like, we
have guns, why are we running? So we spin it
around and we're coming up this trail. But he looks
(20:21):
at me. He's like, in case we run away again.
I was like, oh, in case we know we are like,
we're not equipped, we don't know what we're dealing with,
we're not equipped for it. Whatever. But he's like, in prace,
we run away again. My dad needs something out of
this lean to, and there's a lean to probably about
twenty yards from when we're aparked. He's I'll give I'll
get up close as close as we can to it
(20:43):
and just grab whatever it was, get in the truck,
and then if we have to leave, we'll leave. So
we did that. I take his shotgun because my thought
process was, well, if I'm getting up close to the
bush and something comes at me, whether it's a bear
or whatever, I'm pretty well. I just got a point
in the general direction, right Kevin, it's catching some double
(21:04):
lot yep. And he took my rifle and so I
get out start walking up and I'm pushing to this
lean to, probably about five yards away from it. So good, happy,
medium between the truck and the and then lean too.
I can see him, I remember, I can see my buddy.
He's over the door, just holding got my back, and
(21:26):
I hear this loud howl, grawl, scream, roar like I
can't recreate the noise. Yeah, I can hear it. I
can't recreate it, and I froze. I froze up. I'm
I looked back. My buddy's jaws on the floor, and
I just hear him yell. Run all right, I think,
(21:47):
And if I remember correctly, I ran to the lean too,
grab that stuff that I needed to grab, and I'm
hauling ass back. He had the truck turned around. I
went up and over the bed rails. In my head,
I'm thinking myself, this is how three horror movie starts.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Yes, right, We're we're.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Flying on this trail and I could see headlights, light bar,
nothing else, So guns up like I'm ready to engage
whatever like, and I had something's coming out of these woods.
I'm ready to start slinging rounds at whatever's gonna come
out of these woods. We hit the main road, I
jump out of the back, hit get the truck. We're
(22:23):
both you heard that, right? What the was that We're
going back and forth. We can't figure it out. He's
like the bear, that wasn't a bear. Never heard a
bear sound that before. I've never seen a bear first off,
right at this time of my life. But I know
that's not bears. Sound like, wasn't a mountain lion, wasn't
a coyote? I mean that that's the biggest predators we
(22:45):
have in New York. We end up, we make it
into I think it was the town of Portsville. Find
the gas station, pull into a parking spot, pass out.
Next thing you know, it's like six thirty seven o'clock
in the morning. We're probably running off of three hours
of sleepless point going to these we use the bathroom,
I think. Yeah. We talked about getting a couple of coffee.
(23:08):
Was like, dude, I'm starving. Let's just hit that diner
right by the base of the mountain and then we
go back up and investigate. So, uh, we hit the diner.
We're walking at this mind you, we're we got we
got cames on. I've got my marpat combat boots, black
black shirt, like one of them under our stretchy material.
(23:28):
My buddy's rocking. I'm madey one Woodland combat boots, same shirt.
I guess from an outside perspective, maybe we looked like
we're hunting. Maybe we looked like we're part of some
undisclosed government agency. I I don't know. But we walk
in and waiters has to sit down whatever, and it's
a nice little diner.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
It's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Unknown to us, it was like one of the only
cash only diners in the country. That's for the later
part of the story.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
Well, we have there's one wherever we go, where we
go Bigfoot researching, there's a cash only place.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
There too, no signs in the door. We didn't know this.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Oh wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
So we walk in, we order our food, and I'm
just trying to make conversation at this point. We both
order our coffee our food, and I'm making a small
talk at this point and I was like, Hey, what
goes bump the night out here? And the waiters like,
what do you mean? I was like, well, what's the
local legends of the town, urban legends?
Speaker 3 (24:26):
You know?
Speaker 2 (24:27):
To people here, like just trying to you know, get
a little bit inform me, Like, yeah, the story of
a howling beast or something, anything, right, But it eases
our minds that we don't think we're crazy. We know
what we're kind of dealing with at this point, and
the waiters like, no, I explained the whole story of
what happened, and it was definitely in greater detail because
it wasn't seven years ago, but I mean it was
(24:51):
fresh in memory too. So I'm like, I'm explaining this
and he's like, no, no, never heard anything like that.
What do you think it was stasquatch. I was like,
you're just throwing accusations out there now, but no, I
don't think so, Like it's not it does at this point.
I you know, I'm interested in sasquatch hunting and stuff
like that, but it's not any vocalizations I've ever heard, Like,
(25:14):
I mean, i'd watch you know, Bigfoot Hunter and all
that stuff. He found that damn toy sound good, and again,
it just didn't sound like any of the vocalizations. So
I was like, no, I don't think so, you know whatever.
But the waiters demeanor changed, like he went from being
(25:34):
warm and welcoming to just being like really defensively on
the defensive, like well a little more aggressive too, And
so he looks at me. He comes back, drops the
food off, looks at me. He's like, you want our coffee?
I was like no, I'll actually have a mountain dew though,
So we're starting to eat Mountain Deuke gets dropped off
(25:57):
and there was inside the glass there was a like
a red rolling hates like I don't know how to
explain it, like the best Wagon relate it too, is
like right there at the chow haul and you go
grab something and the glass just then washed poorly and
you walk your watch like the red power cool, uh,
gatorade just swirl in your cup whatever? Right, Yeah, like
that's nasty, but it just didn't sit right with us
(26:20):
after everything that's happened. And my buddy looks at me
and I look at him. He's this isn't happening, is it?
I was like, well, it looks like it's happening. There's
this is happening whatever. Cool, So just full plates. Still,
we're like we're gone, get up, go to pay. We
pull our cards out pay and like it's cash only cool,
(26:43):
all right, So we scrounged it up like I don't know,
sixteen dollars in change out of the truck of our
walls whatever, our bill of like twenty two dollars total
for both of them. And so we're like, hey, can
we run in a town about three miles back, hit
the ATM up you know, no big deal. Well yeah,
one of you guys gotta stay here. No, no, that's not.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Like yeah, no, so we'll end up on the menu.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
He's like, they're like, well, you can leave a phone
a wallet, and I was like, no, that's not happening.
So he argued back and forth. Finally this old timer
stands up, slaps down a twenty dollars bill and says,
go on and get out of here, Roger. That appreciate it, boss,
Thank you. Have a good time, right, thank you. We're
walking out to this truck. Right. This isn't fucking happening.
This is how every horror movie. Yeah, I was like,
(27:33):
are we in wrong turn? It's just what's gonna happen?
You get whatever, end up in like hostile for or something.
We uh, we hit the trail, get back up to
the mountain where were the night before. Tiki torches are
still standing, and I was like, hey, we're here, let's
start searching. Whatever it was was big. We heard something
walking around, probably no more than fifty yards from us, like,
(27:57):
it's got if it's this big, making this kind of noise,
it's got leave some track, some sign, something, And both
of us are I don't want to say we're experienced
hunters at the time, but we're pretty well versed in
like tracking and hunting. You know, we grew up, we
grew up doing it. So we probably one hundred two
hundred yard just around the campground where we were that
(28:19):
night the night before, couldn't find anything, no tracks, no
no broken sticks, nothing was out of place. And we
hiked all over all over that mountain. Sun started, sun
started getting low, and we ended up making the decision
that we're gonna call for outside help, Like we don't
(28:39):
know what to do, we don't know what we're going against.
And we call one of our buddies who's an old
recon marine, and I was like, this is what's going on.
He's like, it's the most Marine Corps response to you're
gonna dig in all right, set up a fight, And
I was like, there's two of us, it's a very
poor fighting position. He's like, well, if I was closer,
(29:00):
i'd be there. But I think you guys have overstated
are welcome there. You need to get the hell out
of there. I was like, copy that, we're out. So
we end up taking off and that was the end
of that. They're so, I thought. So I reached out
to my buddy. After I got throw. I was on
the podcast with Prusky and I was like, have you
(29:20):
ever been back? I knew he's been back once before,
and he talked about there being stripped cigarettes around around
the perimeter and stuff like that, and I was like,
that's kind of weird, but maybe it's an old time
haunter or something like that, stripped as Ciga read so
that the filter is not polluting the environment or whatever.
And then the third time he went back, it was
(29:41):
him and some buddies. They spent the night and he
said that they hiked around outside of the cabin about
half a mile. He thinks that there's a group of
whatever we encountered living on that mountain, and I was like, well,
what makes you think think it goes? Well? I saw
a fire at night and I could hear like inhuman
(30:05):
talking or chanting or something something that didn't sound human,
definitely not English to him.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Samurai chatter?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Samurai chatter?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Is that a vocalization.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah, it sounds kind of like, you know, like an
old Kung Fu theater movie, you know, or like how
samurai sound when they talk to these other like the
you know what I mean, and orangutans actually will do
like a faux speech that sounds very similar. A lot
(30:38):
of people think that that's what their language sounds like.
And there's recordings like the Sierra sounds kind of have
a a samurai chatter kind of talk to.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Them about the Serra camp noises.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Or yeah, so that that's there. Now we've heard those. Pennsylvania, Okay,
a few years ago we had right outside, like you know,
we had people out, but there was right by the
base camp. The guys that were at base camp could
hear samurai chatter in the corner of the campsite and
(31:17):
then we heard it. I heard it was with another
guy or two from the same area on another visit
another night. So yeah, it's a real thing. I mean,
it happens.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
So I told this, I told that story to uh.
I can't remember who they were. This was your This
was some years ago one of Ohio foot Research people
or Big Baby. It was someone along them lines May
it was the b f r O. They were in
Ohio though. I remember that because I explained that whole
(31:56):
story to him and he's like, well, it sounds like
what you're doing, what you dealt with that night, and
that vocalization is in for sound maybe And I was like, well,
can you explain that? And he's like, well, it's something
like big cats do that paralyzed that it paralyzes their prey.
And I was like, okay, I mean I guess it
makes sense. Uh. A couple of weeks ago, I was
(32:17):
on the Midwest mid Thos podcast of Riley.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
And I just interviewed today. By the way, what's that
I just interviewed him today?
Speaker 2 (32:25):
I love, but me and Riley kind of came up
came up the idea maybe it wasn't a sas squash
that we're dealing with, Maybe it was something else that
lives in there.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
But being it could be fairal people. I mean, the
fact the fact that there's a fire kind of is
a is a is a clue to that that your
buddy saw fire.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
That's kind of how we what we were thinking, or
people are more like cultists maybe whatever this thing is
in a sense, maybe we're thinking and more on the
uh paranormal side of it was a spirit, a forest
spirit or something.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Yeah, you never know. I mean it could be there's
some many Yeah.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
No.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
That night though has really like I don't want to
sound like like a sally for it, but it's messed
with me for a good bit, Like I feel afraid
of being in the dark in the woods.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Yeah no, I mean because we've had a we had
a very I guess you could call. I mean, I
didn't hear what you heard, right, but I've heard a
pretty hillacious howl, yell, scream.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
And but not only with that, I also felt it,
okay in your chest, like it was like yeah, yeah, no,
I you could feel it. It was just like now.
And I've also had two sasquatch encounters and both of
them included the same type of roar and I could
you could just feel it. It was like just power man.
Speaker 6 (34:06):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
And like I said, I've said in my encounter, you
know when I reuh recall it, I could feel it
as much as I could hear it.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
That makes I I'm tracking because I mean, if I
thinking back to it, it was like, I don't know
how to explain it other than is like being at
a concert and feeling the base.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, yeah, no absolutely, man. So I you know, I've
done a bunch of these podcasts, man, and I get reports.
I talk to a lot of people, and uh so
one of the ones that is almost identical to that
that I remember getting as Amanda, the Sasquatch lady, that's
(34:52):
what her name is. And she works at the Expedition
Bigfoot Museum in North Georgia, and and she has a
childhood experience very similar with a with a scream, roar, bellow,
whatever you want to call it, just like that, and
she's it knocked her down because it was behind her
(35:17):
and like her brother and cousin saw it and just
took off running. So then she was like, whoa, maybe
I should run too, So she took off running and
then it yelled, you know it, uh let out it's
rar and it actually knocked her down. Sorry, shit, all enough.
(35:39):
Since four o'clock this morning.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I understand that another thing that I was kind of thinking,
I mean, this isn't the first weird thing like it
has not that that encounter has scared has maybe scared
of being in the woods at night alone. It is
called I do find comfort and having a hand a
(36:01):
gun on me. It's it's just I don't know if
it's just you know that I think I could defend myself.
I know I probably can't against one of these things.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I mean, how could you really? But that's kind of
how I feel.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yeah, I mean it's just it's a security blanket.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Yeah, no, I understand, I totally. You know, so many
people do they they won't go out armed, you know,
or or they won't go out unarmed. That's what I mean.
I I'm on the fence, man. I it depends on
where I'm at.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
Even my thought processes. Even if it is nothing out there,
it's a good thing to have on you in case.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Yeah, of course her.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I mean we could do like the old hunter safety. Yeah,
there's three shots in a row, which makes no sense
because sometimes you know, you miss that shooting deer a
couple of times. It's like her or is that someone
just really bad at shooting? But yeah, that that was
the first one I've had multiple Just I don't want
(37:04):
to I don't want to put labels on him. I
don't want to say it with sasquats.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Yeah, because you don't actually know if I saw it
in the one thing if you saw it right, Yeah,
this is at my old house.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Actually, me and Buddy were out kyote hunt. It's January, Yeah,
it was. It was January. We were kyote hunting at night,
so we took turns to flashlights to scan the field.
And it wasn't really us trying to kyte hunt. We
we had no intentions of shooting at kyote. It was
just us hanging out in the woods and uh, this
(37:37):
was a visual encounter of something. I'm gonna put a
label on it because I don't know, but he's not,
you know, it's my turn to scan the flat scan
with a flash slamp, scan this headero in this field.
And we get to this big tree, like big oak tree,
old growth. It was I mean, doh, this tree is
four maybe four feet wide around. It's not someone can
(37:59):
stand behind it and hide. And we get this tree
and my buddy's like but he's like stop, what was that?
And I was like, what do you mean. He's like, dude,
I swear I saw something just peeking around the side
of the tree. And I was like, that's weird. Maybe
it's a crackhead or something. I don't know. I didn't
see it, so whatever, right. So maybe five minutes go by,
(38:20):
I was like, hey, shine a flashlight and we were
calling to see even getting cayotes in and you know,
he scans across across the field nakeds to this tree
and I see something peeking out from the other side,
and I don't know if it's just my mind playing
tricks on me or whatever. Yeah, and I was like stop.
(38:40):
I was like, is that the same tree that you
saw something. He's like, yeah, that's the same tree. Like, okay,
I seen something. Maybe there's maybe there's someone out of
my property. Let's go investigate. So we started walking up
to the woods and we're probably at the fifty yard mark.
It's dark enough that I can see the tree line.
I can't see anything any detail the tree line. I
could see this and I don't know if it's just
(39:04):
how to explain it, but I felt like the weight
of the world was on my chest and just the
anxiety was building up of whatever it was, and I
was like, I don't like this, don't like this one bit.
And so next thing you know, you just hear a
loud crack like something stepped on a big, big branch
or something that and it broke and that was enough
(39:26):
that we both froze up. And I think I had
like twenty two magnum with me, and if I said
I was lying, I did a Churchill mad minute. It
was just pop, clickop, just popping rounds down range. Don't
know why. It was just felt like the right thing
to do. And I'm I know there's no one, there's
no houses, there's nothing but that woodline that these rounds
(39:50):
are gonna go flying into. That's when it hurt someone.
So I'm just punching rounds downrange. As my buddies were
running away. We turn around, ran probably for a couple
hundred yards, got to where we felt was a safe distance,
and we're at this point we're deep briefing what we
just what just happened, and reach you guess kind of said, well,
(40:11):
what is what it is? Whatever it was, it's funny, yo,
maybe we're gona here. Loud footsteps come run out behind us,
and then you're here a loud bang as sasquatch hit
iust and fell on his ass. Like we're trying to
make the best of the situation that just stuck with us.
So flash forward to the summer. We're probably ten miles
(40:32):
from where I was living, fishing this creek, middle of
the woods, probably two o'clock in the morning, three o'clock
in the morning. We're fishing this creek and we're both tired.
We're done for the day. Fish aren't biting anymore. So
we pack our stuff up, walk up to our trucks,
and my buddy reaches in his pockets, doesn't have his keys.
(40:54):
I'm like, ah, they're back down there at the log.
Aren't thing. He's like yeah. I was like, well, I'll
leave him this up my truck. I'll go down there
with you so way you don't, you know, twist an
ankle or something down there, just good safety practices. Start
walking down there, and we get up to this log
and I could see the log from like with the
moon illuminating there the trail, I can see this log
(41:16):
and you just hear this loud and splash, splash gone.
This river is probably about twelve feet wide, good five
six feet deep, and it was just two slashes, just splash, splash,
and then it must have cleared the other bank, hit
the other bank, and gone up the embankment. My buddy
(41:37):
froze up. At this point, I've had enough weird stuff
had to me right, glock comes out. I pushed to
the keys, grab them. I'm like, start walking. We walked
back up to the truck and we're like, what was that?
Don't know? Okay, cool, just put in the file book
of weird stuff, weird stuff, and that will was one
(42:00):
of the last ones I had in New York. So
I moved to Kansas and then something else. I don't
know what it was. You know, I had a lot
of people telling me it was a cougar. I saw.
I've never seen a cougar move that fast, nor that
high off the ground. It's not Spider Man climbing from
tree to tree, I'll tell you that. But that's this ranch.
(42:22):
I was, uh, we're uh, we're they call like like
we call them like gullies and like ravine. They call
them canyons out here. So we're in this canyon, uh,
fixing an old fence. I mean it's been it's old
like I think it's an old river. Its old river
batter or something like that. Had all the sand and stuff,
and we're down there working sid Besides behind me, I
(42:45):
had my I have my Sake three twenty on my
hip and we're just having all the conversation. Whatever next thing,
you know, like from having birds and insects making noise
to excuse me, absolutely nothing, just dead silent, like you
could drop a pin right and you could hear it.
And I was like, oh, I don't like this, and
(43:08):
other ranch hands like why it's peaceful, like no, bubble,
this ain't peaceful like where I grew up. If you
hear if this happens, it's bad. There's something out there
that is hot food chained in us. And he's like, ah,
you're just you're just overthinking it. But whatever. So I
turn around to go grab something out of the back
(43:28):
to the side by side, and out of the corner
of my eye, I see something probably seven eight feet tall,
dark brown, like a reddish brown, just from tree, got
from tree to tree and it moved, I mean it
moved quick and it was enough that it startled me
where I drew my hand my gun and I'm sitting
(43:51):
there staring and just trying to get an eye, like
an eye on where the hell this thing's last position was.
Can't see it. My ranch ranch hands like what what
was that? What did you see? And I explained to me.
He's like, oh, it's probably a cougar, your eyes playing
tricks on you or something like, oh, just a cougar,
Just just a cougar, Like.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
That's just probably a cougar.
Speaker 2 (44:13):
Something I've never thought I want to here. And so
we finish up that fence. Uh started driving these all
these cows and calves into this pastor, and I mean
they're spilling out any spot they could find, like they
did not want to be in the front of. We
get them all pushed in there, shut the gate, go
(44:34):
home for the day, come back in the next morning,
and all these these cows are just spilled out into
the pastor we just got them out of. I mean,
they broke the fence and everything. I'm like, that's a
lot of work. So we get we were riding through
this fucking pasture and I hear a ranch hand, you know,
(44:56):
motion over for me. So I ride over there and
I look down and there's this calf that's just destroyed.
I mean, I've seen coyotes attack calves, but I've never
seen just one utilated more or less, just you know
what I mean, Like, yeah, it's unnatural. And he's like,
(45:16):
what do you think did it? I was like, dude,
I don't know. Maybe a kyo and he's like, there
are some clean ass bites for a coyote. I was like,
yeah they are. I mean we had calves that would
just uh, this one calf had a chunk probably about
ya big taken out of this hind quarter, just clean cut,
(45:37):
just gone. I mean it was red and you know, nasty,
but it was it wasn't like it wasn't what you expect.
Does that make sense? But yeah, we're sort of right
back to this fence line trying to make sure it's
still good to go, and the ranch hand calls over
to me, says, hey, come here, and he's holding this
reddish brown hair. He's like, found I found your call prit.
(46:02):
I was like, where'd you find that? Grant we're running,
we're running all black cattle. Yeah, so we have we
have you know, black angus, and we have some black baldies.
So there's no red hair that's hurt. They're all black
and white whatever. So I was like, where'd you find that?
He's like that was about chest level or like right
here on me in this briar patch, and I was like, well,
(46:23):
that's pretty fucking that's taller than any of the cows
we have. That's pretty up and that's pretty close to
why or I saw it was that day that he started, well,
maybe Kyle's right about something. We never sent it off
to get tested because I never really thought about it
and never really I don't even send it off to
get tested, right Like, I'm I'm in small town Kansas,
(46:46):
so we have two thousand people if that, No, I
don't have the resources for that. And I didn't really
care enough at the point, like this point in my life,
I was really I wasn't out of being interested in
this stuff. It just wasn't a priority of mine. That's
at that point, and that it was what hasn't been
to the last three or four months. That December, because
(47:08):
we me and my old lady were headed down to
Tennessee and I was listening to uh the Confessionals and
Drewski was on there, yeah and Driski. I really just
enjoyed the episode. So I found on Instagram, started following him,
started listening to his podcast and everything, and I reached
out to him one day tell my story like hey,
(47:31):
am I crazy? And then yeah, we're now we're here
and being surrounded by people like you, Riley, Drewski and
everyone else. It's just it's reignited that passion to want
to know more.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Yeah. Right, It's like it's it's a it's a rabbit hole, man, Dude,
I would.
Speaker 2 (47:54):
Love to go on and investigate on an operation with
Drew Ski.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Yeah, Drew.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
He also said that whenever I want to or said,
I'm in if I remember correctly, which I'm ecstatic about,
not really static to get to put myself into the
show position.
Speaker 3 (48:11):
Yeah, man, no, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
But also at the same point, I'm older, I know more,
and I'm surrounded, I'm surrounded by people that know what's
going on. They could be like, hey, you know, get
that get that gun up.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah, I can tell you. Yeah, Riley, you had a
hell of a number done on and I hurt in Tennessee.
Oh man. Him and I talked about a lot of
it today, not just on the podcast, but uh, off offline,
(48:45):
and I know it kind of put him through the
ringer a little scared the crap out of him. I
mean it sounds like he's uh sounds like he's not
been exposed to stuff, right, But there's certain spots that
you get into, man, that are just it's a it's
(49:09):
a different environment. I find Allegheny National Forest in one
of those places, it's just got a error, it's got
an electricity, there's like an air there is. There's something
different there, like whether it's you know, and people be like, oh, yeah,
(49:29):
it's you know, lay lines and whatever. I don't know.
But at the end of the day, it's it's a
different feeling, right, I mean. And I've been in the
woods since I was a kid, just like you've said,
and then being in the military. I've been all over
the world in the woods, Alaska, California, you know, you
(49:55):
name it, Uh, everywhere down south and the Carolinas and
Florida and uh it's the swampiest of swamps man, you know,
and it just you it's a whole nother place. And
where they are in East Tennessee, western North Carolina, that
(50:18):
whole Appalachia Corridor, It's there's something really going on there, right, Yeah,
all the legends are just insane, and it's a different
like I've like him and I talked about earlier. It's
a different type of dark there too, Like.
Speaker 2 (50:40):
So living out here, this is something that's really hard
to explain to people how dark it is like where
we're from just even in the southern tier and that's
still that's still Appalachia.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
I know a lot of people don't like, don't like
to say that, but I would.
Speaker 3 (50:56):
I would agree though.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
Like ell Agan, I don't know if it's just the
pines and the Old Girl Forest or what.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
Something it is.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
It's one of those places like you're saying, it's different,
there's different. It's it's the area. Yeah, it's like algy
at night.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
Yeah, oh god. I you know, so this is the
last time that we were in I think you and
I talked right before, right after.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
I was headed up to Pennsylvania at that time.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
And we uh so, I haven't looked at the footage yet,
but I had go pros on my car facing like
three sixty. But that night one of my one of
the guys too, had some sort of incident with something
(51:50):
and it could have been you know, it could be
like a deer or a fox or something. But I've
like looked at I've listened to like all the footage
basically of the internet. Plus I had I really had
a couple of different AI programs analyze this, and it
basically was like no unidentified wildlife right, And I couldn't
(52:17):
place it. It's kind of like, oh maybe as a fox.
Maybe it was hurt so I don't know, but either way,
there was some but he was saying he could see
something in the tree and you couldn't. You can't really
see it on the video, and then it started coming
down the tree and he was like, Okay, we gotta go,
you know, like this is not cool, but making some
(52:41):
weird noises, right. And one of the things that we've
had happened there is we literally heard what would be
like if you were watching National Geographic watching a chimpanzee documentary,
like with like Diane Fosse or or uh whatever the
(53:02):
she's that's the gorilla lady, who's the the chimp lady?
Doesn't matter either way, like a watching and listening to
like chimpanzees fighting in the woods, right, And we we've
literally heard that there at night, just insane and it
(53:24):
wasn't like it was just me or just me and
like one other person note is like five six seven people.
And one of the craziest parts about that is that
we had a recorder running a very good recorder at
that and we have about a four minute gap and
(53:47):
audio really right when we would have right when you
would have heard those chimpanzees fighting, monkeys fighting in the
woods of Pennsylvania. And then so you hear everything before it,
you hear everything after it, but there's and you couldn't
even hear us being like, oh my god, do you
(54:08):
hear that. It's just it's fucking crazy.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Just sounds like it's redacted.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Yeah, it's just not there. It's it's not there on
the on the recorder's I mean, the time is there,
but the actual audio is gone. There's no audio. It's weird.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
That's some Uh how'd I say this extraterrestrial type?
Speaker 3 (54:33):
Yeah, so there's there's that. I've also had batteries get drained.
I've had all kinds of stuff, stuff that's very paranormal
type stuff going on, that's evolve sasquatch, Like I know
there was something right there. And when I tried to
get it on thermal my my, because I have a
(54:53):
thermal camera that hooks to my iPhone and I had
two iPhones fully charts waiting ready, and I plugged the
one in fired it up. I mean it literally fires
up in like three seconds. Boom, brought it up, phone
goes dead. It went from on to dead and then
(55:15):
I switched it out, did like a mag reload, but
with the you know, with the with the thermal thermal,
and within three seconds had the other one up and
it went dead too. And I'm not saying it like
didn't work, you know, like at that moment, No, No,
(55:36):
the batteries were dead and they were fully charged. I
had just charged them trying to set up, and it
was an ambush. I was setting up this camera trap
type thing because I was using infrared cameras and uh,
(55:58):
because I have two IR cameras and then I have
two game cams that are also infrared camera and video,
and I had them all in strategic you know. I
was setting up a funnel, so I wanted it to
(56:19):
go here. So I had everything covered around this little
fence line that we've got except for that, and it
came right up to the to the fence where I
wanted it to, just like I knew it would get
it up camera. So I just now, I just use
cameras as a deterrence for when I sleep at night. Yeah,
(56:45):
I set up I set up game cams around my
car because I have a rooftop tent now, So I
set game cams up around my car and infra. I
have these magnetic the infrared cameras that I have, I
have a magnet on them so I can literally stick
them right to this out of my car. That's all.
That's so I have two there, and then I have
(57:06):
the game the trail camps as well. And ever since
I've done that, I've had nothing mess with my where
I sleep.
Speaker 5 (57:15):
At least That's what I've found that like a lot
of times talking about like sasquatch and stuff, the lines
between extraterrestrial and uh paranormal blur.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
Yeah, No, I agree, I totally agree.
Speaker 2 (57:34):
I don't and fully why it does. I don't think
I ever will, but the same Yeah.
Speaker 3 (57:40):
I mean, I go, I go way off what I
think is going on. I I I I don't even
care anymore. I've been doing this long enough and I've
got enough experience out there to know that it's not
a to me. It's just not a discovered how in it,
(58:01):
you know? I think there's I think it's a hybrid. Frankly,
I mean, and I've said this on the on another
podcast this week, because I've been sitting on the fence
for a long time, because what I say, is because
it's crazy, but I don't care. It's it's not crazy,
(58:21):
it's just not you know, the normal thing. And I
think that they are a hybrid at what you would
call what's called an eliude, but just then eliud is
a is a basically the children of a nephilim.
Speaker 2 (58:40):
Okay, that's why it sounds familiar now.
Speaker 3 (58:43):
And uh, you know, but that's what I think they are.
I mean, so, I think I think that if you
really want to like hear a great definition of what
they I'll probably put something together here soon. But one
of the ask people to explain it is Lam r
Zuli and what he thinks. And because I I really
(59:06):
do agree, not one, but you know, I agree a
lot with that, just from my own experiences that I've got,
plus just the spidey senses that I have, so I
would I was thought to say, and I don't care
what anyone else says. I never have either, but I
(59:29):
you know, I just kind of I just kind of
was noncommittal. But now I'm a little not militant about it.
But yeah, I'll talk about it now.
Speaker 2 (59:41):
When I've I kind of stopped caring what people think
me and Riley were talking about this a couple of
weeks ago. I think it was on his podcast too,
I talked about it. I don't know if I if
this was a dream or this actually happened. The details
that are really fuzzy, but this was my old lady
(01:00:05):
was still in her apartment that she was she was
in when we met. I spend the night. This is
right on the same time that the drones or whatever
was seen around Jersey and everything right they were seen
them all across the country. I said, I don't know
if it was a dream. I to this day I'm
unsure whether it's real life or not. I remember we
(01:00:27):
I walked in the bedroom and I'm looking out the
window and I see the green light in the sky
just womp, womp, just Paul sitting and I started speeding up.
I got faster and faster and faster, and I got
dizzy once again. I don't know if this is a
dream or this actually happened, but I have a very
vivid memory, but still where I got dizzy, couldn't stand up,
(01:00:48):
face planeted into the ground, woke up in bed. I
have never I woke up and I was like, did
that happen? Was that a dream where she got up.
I mean, she woke up later that morning and I
was like, was I in bed last night? And she's like, well,
I sleep really heavy, so I don't know, but I
think you were. I was like, did I go to
(01:01:08):
bed with you? Like I lay down in bed and
she's like, I think so I don't remember. I'm like,
was I abducted? If by aliens? Or like what's up? Yeah,
now I tell this story, and I'm really hoping like
the G men show up over this right.
Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Right right now. I know, yeah, I had a crazy
I don't know if I've ever told that story. Well,
I think I'm gonna tell it and then we can
wrap this up. So I was driving back from Syracuse
to it's when I was in the Army. So Syracuse
(01:01:48):
to Watertown it's about an hour, and I lived out
in town. I didn't live on base, so it was
it was almost an hour from where we were at
the door. And now we had been at a bar,
but we decided that we weren't Like, we were supposed
to stay at one of our buddies girlfriend's house, and
it just didn't work out. I can't remember why, but
(01:02:12):
we were just like nah, I don't want to sleep
on like a cout skull. I wasn't like I was
fine to drive that kind of thing. And I wasn't like,
you know, tired, really and I remember because otherwise I
wouldn't have driven, you know, but it was like probably
(01:02:32):
I want to say, it was eleven or twelve at night,
like sometime around midnight. And I really wish that I
had known exactly what time it was because we're driving
just and I was listening to music kind of loud,
but my buddy had passed out. And I remember. The
last thing I remember seeing the exit prior to the
(01:02:56):
exit that we get off at right and I didn't
live that far off the exit, so we were like
really close to home, like two three miles right. Next
thing I remember. Next thing I remember is I see
in front of me this the Thousand Islands Bridge, which
is the bridge the frit It's the bridge prior going
(01:03:18):
into Canada. Yeah, up front, but it's from where we
were at. It's like thirty something miles from where I
was at at that exit. The last thing I remember
to when I woke up, because that's how I felt like.
I woke up at the bridge and like maybe two
(01:03:42):
hundred meters from the toll booth where you have to
pay to go over the bridge. And I woke up
like I was late for work, like driving, but I
was fucking driving, and I don't I literally don't remember
anything between then and then for forty miles thirty it's
like thirty five miles.
Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
We're talking a time of probably what about forty five minutes.
Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Yeah, and I don't know. I don't know time. I
didn't see, Like I wish I had looked at the
clock and like known, but I didn't. So that's what
I call my alien abductions. Who knows. Maybe I fell
asleep and like rumble stripped it all the way down.
But I was on a major highway now, needless to say,
(01:04:27):
it's very you know, it's I eighty one is what
I was on between Syracuse and Canada, and on a
but it was like a Friday night or something Saturday night.
It was random. I can't believe that I would fall
asleep and then drive that whole way and not crash. Yeah, no,
(01:04:49):
I don't care if there's rumble strips, you know what
I mean, Like, no, it's not It just doesn't make
sense to me. I guess it's possible, but that's me
trying to rationalize. But I don't know whether any other way.
I mean, maybe there was some sort of time slip.
There could have been a who knows, but it was
very weird it so yeah, so yeah, man. So the
(01:05:14):
name of the show broadcasting seeds. So I like to
plant seeds in people's brains. So I like to ask
my guests at the end, you know what, do you
got got some seed to plant, maybe to help the
audience out, or you know whatever, some some seed that
(01:05:35):
you might have a nugget of wisdom or uh, you know, hey,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Man, I don't want to quote the X Files, but
the truth out there, it is somewhere. Not everything is
what it seems. Trust, I mean, make your own opinions
on stuff. Whether I mean and it's good. It's with
the territory of believing this stuff that you know, people
(01:06:04):
gonna say we're crazy. But go spend a night out
in the woods, go find you know, your local bigfoot
researcher groups or whatever that go and put on expeditions.
You will figure out to believe or go on ghost hunts.
Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
You'll believe my wife and kids always make fun of me,
and then I'm like, hey, why don't you come out
with me? And they're like no, no.
Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
No, Yeah, it's because there's that possibility that they're that
they're wrong. Yeah, And a lot of the skeptics that
I've talked to, and I'll sit there and be like,
well it's going. Let's I could take you to some
spots in the appellations that weird stuff happens, and they're like, no,
I'm all right, why good wait because it's the apple
they're scary absolutely what makes correct? Well, I don't that's
(01:06:48):
the stories. Well, bubba, if you want to, if you
if you don't believe, there's nothing to be afraid of them.
Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
But I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
I appreciate you having me on. Man.
Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Yeah, it's a good time. We'll do it again at
some point, right on. All right, Yeah, I am man.
Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
I'm I'm more down.
Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
I'm more than down to come out of the came
all right, man?
Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Then four or five hors.
Speaker 7 (01:07:18):
Yeah, I got bad thoughts that make my mind scared,
hold me hostage and they don't fight fair, who're gonna
pray for me?
Speaker 6 (01:07:25):
And white bro? My tests who're gonna save me? If
you're not right here, move this darkness and make my
sight clear, to take me your way because I don't
like you. Go stop my past day feeling the night
and wake me up. And trapped in my nightmass, trapped in.
Speaker 7 (01:07:47):
My Nightmas, trying and trying and not mouthed, deeping apparitions
of all my demons, all my thoughts are come making treason.
Speaker 6 (01:08:05):
All alone, going hear me screaming manifest ships on my fists,
regrets that stretched out for light years. You can almost
touch the light. Homiees right there, body free but attracting
my Nightmas. I'm don't let me your life to fade.
Speaker 7 (01:08:22):
All my life is faith now, all my life is
face and mad. Else why I don't let me, Johnny,
My life is fading. All my life is fading.
Speaker 6 (01:08:44):
We need trapping my Nightmas.
Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
Shop shopping a
Speaker 6 (01:09:21):
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