Into the Occult: Nick's Journey Through Magic, Conspiracy & Awakening

In this conversation, Nick shares his journey into the world of occultism, conspiracies, and personal magical experiences. He discusses his involvement with the OTO, critiques its direction, and reflects on the nature of rituals and their effects on reality. Nick emphasizes the responsibility that comes with practicing magic and explores the potential for a new awakening in society. He also highlights the importance of self-discovery and understanding one's own mind in the pursuit of spiritual growth.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Year Joe, straight from the broadcast studio, and then the
status this ain't no beat sound story such as prophetic
encrypt the signals from the shadows of the garden we
did where the dirt got secret, snow parted, microphone alchemists
scriptures with a twist peak the frequency seeds in the
midst we drop false like plagues revelations in the catus,

(00:23):
broadcasting truth while they trapped in surveillans wisdom with a
watchman's blade forth, what sound while your whole system fail?
Blood moons that for love echoes in the pond sasquart
stoppen through the fault lines of time. We ain't mainstream,
we ain't just streams safer with the prophets to code
the dreams, so with you throw them in better guards
of mind? Is broadcasting seeds and were breaking the design

(00:46):
of the shid Yeah, yeh yo yo, straight from the
broadcast studio.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Look, tell us who you are, what you do and
where we can find you.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Awesome, Well, thank you very much for asking me on.
I really appreciate it. What do I do I have?
The Occult Rejects podcast that is a podcast is like
at this point, what it's at now is like a
conglomerate of a bunch of other podcasts. Wasn't always like that?
Has probably about a total of almost maybe ten people
that are part of it. But uh yeah, the Occult
Rejects podcast. We cover occultism, conspiracies, true crime, paranormal you know,

(01:22):
try to tie it to an occult sense. And we
got the Occult Research Institute dot org. That is a
website just tons and tons of different information from different people.
But yeah, all of our stuff you can find on YouTube, Bitchhoot,
Brumble and all major podcasts.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Patreon.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Actually, you know we have we have a Patreon. I'd
be totally honest with you. If you want to sign
up with the Patreon, you can. I think it's five
bucks a month and you get nothing. It's just a
way to donate to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Nothing, I think any give them give them a cup
of coffee, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, And I don't like to charge people for stuff,
so I'd rather just answer donations.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Viga, I think that's awesome. All right. So first question
I like to ask all my guests is what got
you into this crazy world of high strangeness? Like, and
I know your story is a good one, but Yeah,
what what what brought you to this crazy ass world
of that we've talked about all.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
The time, right, I've I had to take that back
to like god, almost twenty years ago, I'd say before before,
I guess twenty eleven, twenty ten. Before that, I was
I was heavily into conspiracy theories. Say probably around two
thousand and nine is when I started getting big into
that stuff, and.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
I forgot how.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
I think it was just literally a suggestion on YouTube
took me to like Progert Camelot, and somehow I went
down all of like conspiracy theories and all this weird shit,
and I kind of gravitated towards Michael Tassarian, David Ike,
Mark Passio, oh God, Jordan Maxwell, you know, all those
people that were.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
Big into the occult, and I found it really interesting.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
And I always did believe kind of like in the
cult to magic as a child. So this stuff interested
me and I started looking into it, and you know, again,
I guess for a few years it was just like
something that I was heavily interested in, and I would
research a lot of it, and at some point I
just realized, like, I know, I'm following all these orders
I'm following all these names with these people that started

(03:19):
all this stuff, and I was like, oh, I still
have zero fucking clue what the hell magic actually is, though,
so I was like, maybe I can start looking at
some books and stuff. So I had gotten like one
book it was like High Magic, or like thirteen Lessons
or twelve Lessons by Donald Michael Craig, something like that,
and I checked that out and I was kind of
interested in it, and there was some stuff of Alista
Crowley in there, and I knew who he was. I

(03:41):
knew like stories of him. I did think he was
in a cult genius, regardless of what fucked up shit
he may have done. So I did like contemplate a
little bit, like all right, this guy might have stuff
worth checking out. And eventually I was like, you know
what I want to see if I can actually find
a place to go to. And I knew somebody who
was a Freemason, because there are the guy was also
into ceremonial magic, and he had told me, if you're

(04:03):
gonna try to get into ceremonial magic and the Freemasons,
you're gonna be waiting fucking a long time, he said,
before they even acknowledge that shit. I was like, all right,
I'm not putting years in to that. And he's like, oh,
just see if there's like maybe a Golden Door or
an OTO near you. Maybe the Golden Door, because I
was kind of interested in that a little bit because
they seemed a little bit more academic. I guess there

(04:27):
wasn't one near me, but when I started looking, I
was like, oh, there's a fucking Oto lodge twenty minutes away.
I was like, maybe I could check that out. I mean,
it's really the only options I got, and eventually I
pulled the trigger. I contacted them and asked them about
coming to visit the place, and they had, like all
these places have like some sort of social media, you know, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter,

(04:49):
some way you can get in touch with them and
they'll have like some sort of schedule probably for what
goes on in the lodge, and you know, I think
they had that. Maybe they suggested or I just decided, oh,
maybe I'll go to a gnostic mass. I think because
I found it on YouTube and I figured, all right,
I go watch it on YouTube. I have an idea
of like what I'm walking into. So eventually I made
it to a Gnostic Mass, and uh, I mean it

(05:10):
was weird at first too. It did even like kind
of like, uh, I guess, because I guess since you
don't show nudity on YouTube. When the tits came out
in the Gnostic Mass, I was like, all right, what
the fuck's going on?

Speaker 4 (05:20):
As this idewise shut shit like happening.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
I remember telling myself, if this gets any fucking weirder
than this, I'm leaving.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
I'm like I've most people are like, oh great, iddies,
but I'm just like, all right, what the fuck's happening next?
You know, I'm in like the base of a building
in a fucking temple, and I'm like fuck, you know.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Right, So nothing else got weirder.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
I think the next time I went back, it was
actually for a class on either like making candle magic
or some shit. It wasn't a Gnostic Mass right again,
but I went back and took it, went back for
a class, and I was like, all right, this stuff
isn't like too bad, and like some of the people
there were all right, and I noticed there was a
lot of people there into different stuff, so I was like,
this might work out for me, just to learn earn
from other people.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
And I guess about that lasted about another five or six.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Years until I left. You know, I got sucked in
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
I didn't drink the kool aid too much, but I
was you know, you know, I did start going and
became a little bit more active, and at some point
around COVID time, I did have like I, you know,
would have a regimen where I would do a lot
of meditations, chakra work and you know, ritual work to believe.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
It or not, like every day.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
And eventually at some point I started when I would
consider having magical experiences, and to me, it just didn't
match my experience at that place. I think the people
there were heading in the same direction as me, and
around COVID time, they got all crazy with that shit.
They closed their doors and you know, they weren't doing anything.

(06:46):
And then when they decided that they wanted to maybe
open back up again, they sent out an email saying
that ninety three percent, which is funny because they used
ninety three all the time, ninety three percent of the
law is uncomfortable with going there unless they're vaccinated.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
And I was like, I know, me, Jordan and my
friend a Jason. All three of us.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Never got this fucking supposed thing that you just took.
So how was it that ninety three percent? Because we
all would have said, fuck you, that's crazy, you.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
So I was just like, this wasn't even a real poll,
is it because we didn't get fucking asked.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
So I'm like, yeah, now you're just making fucking shit
up in my opinion. And then they decided to start
doing zoom meetings and I was like, all right, I'll
stick with that just to stay active. But even at
this point, six months prior to COVID or them closing down,
I wasn't even going.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Anymore because I just didn't. I didn't feel right there
in a different direction. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
And then oh they got crazy with the George Floyd shit,
and then that was that was what wrapped it up.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
George Floyd stuff happened.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Actually, George Floyd might have actually happened before, like the
crazy COVID shit with the you gotta be vaccinated pissed off,
but they had a thing for the George Floyd shit.
They sent out an email and I was like, I
gotta check this out. I'm gonna join the zoom just
for shits and giggles and see what the fuck's like?
Why are we talking about George Floyd because we're the
oto the oto that I'm just gonna use this as

(08:12):
an example because it's a perfect example. Is a lot
like alcoholics anonymous in the sense we're not supposed to
have shit to say about the outside world except what's
going on in here. We're only talking about magic. Fucking
politics has nothing to do with this. Why the fuck
are we getting into this shit? And it ended up
turning into like almost group therapy, like a kumbaya about
like who the fuck's experienced racism? I don't know, Like

(08:33):
this is interesting considering there's only like fucking two black
people on the lodge, so like what the fuck are
only one of them are here?

Speaker 2 (08:39):
So like what is this about?

Speaker 3 (08:41):
We got white people going around them a circle talking
about how they saw black people, being like.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
I'm like, what the fuck is this man?

Speaker 2 (08:48):
And then I was just like, yeah, I think I'm
I don't know about this. And then all of a.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Sudden they brought up time people wanted to start protesting together,
and I was like, Yo, what the heck does this
have to do with the OTO man, and after that,
I was like, this is it like they're too far left,
they're getting involved, you know, it's just very weird. I
was like, I think this shit is my opinion, just
my opinion overall, I do things to the OTO if it
wasn't from inception, I do think it's a CIA fucking

(09:16):
I think it's right by the CIA at this point.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
My opinion is just I've even questioned this about the
Temple set. I'm just gonna be completely honest with you,
especially from having a few of those guys on the show.
I think the government or the CIA gets involved in
these places and they realize that there are smart motherfuckers
in these places, people that I've experienced magic, and they
actually just like use them as data.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah right, And maybe they may not.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Even some of these people may not even know, but
I think they're being pent out and used by the CIA.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Well yeah, like I mean that is so I'm just
putting some stuff together here. So he're saying, like the
way that they're reacting to a I guess you would
call it because I don't like to get political, but
a more liberal agenda. Right, So let's call it that,
all right, So I'm already predisposed to this, But so
along with that, and I've talked about this on other

(10:09):
podcasts like Nefhelm des Squad and a couple others where
we talked about that is this is the the progressive
or the left playbook? Is is nudge by cast Sunstein?
Who and when? When we say nudge is just you know,
it's like the boiling the frog and the boiling water.

(10:30):
You just turn the heat up a little bit, but
you're just nudging that person to do exactly what you want.
And the CIA is they perfected it. So yeah, so
it wouldn't make It's not a far jump, it's not
a far leap. Pretty soon we're gonna probably have to
restart the podcast because we're talking about this shit. But

(10:51):
you know what I'm saying that that is stuff that
they are abs. So that's that's a great correlation because
it's a they even had a position there.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
This is another thing to add on where I started
even thinking like, what's really going on here? What do
you start moving up in degrees? They're gonna even if
you've been there for a while, they may start to
being like, oh why don't you start like kind of
doing things, you know, maybe the mask, you know, get involved.
You know they're gonna walk to get involved. And like
for me, the Mass, they ask people to get involved
a lot. I know this may sounds silly or cheesy,

(11:24):
but like again, at some point they would show tits
and I'm gona just be honest most of the Again,
I'm not saying I'm God's gift to women, but these women,
I really didn't care to see them fucking like that.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
So I was like, I'll get out. Yeah, I start.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
Doing one of the child there's two they called children.
You're basically representing the pillars, and you're following the priest
and the priestess throughout the ritual. I chose to do
one of those because when the time comes for the
priests to take off her shit, I'm actually facing the
completely different way and looking at everybody else and she's
behind me. So now now i don't have to worry
about any uncomfortability and I'm getting involved and I'm doing

(11:58):
the easiest fucking thing. I'm walking around with salt water
and a sultan water or a fucking incense and incense burner,
you know. So I did that, but eventually they start
wanting you to do other stuff, and when you get
to the second degree, you're eligible to start doing like
you started. You would do skypes with uh guy. I
forgot the fucking dude's name. He's like one of the
highest ups. He might have been like the outerhead guy.

(12:20):
I think it was Beto whatever. They have silly fucking names.
I thought from someone that I had spoke to from
another lodge, they said that they had that position. They
said it was easy, and I thought, they said, once
a month, you talk to the guy and he just
gives you, you know, he asks you a couple of
questions about the lodge and what's going on and how
everything is. And I was like, I think I could
do that, you know, it's a fucking easy thing and

(12:40):
get them off my back.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
I'll do it for a year. When I looked into it,
it's every week.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
I was like, what the fuck do you need to
know about every fucking week inside that lodge? Bro Right,
what the fuck are you looking for? You're looking for
data at this point, they're behind this. If every week
you want to know what the flake? What's the difference
from last A couple of people showed up, somebody showed
some fucking titties, and we went home. You know what
I'm saying, that's a gnostic mess man. We had some

(13:07):
we had some fucking takes a light, we had some
fucking wine. Everybody told shit and we went home. What
the fuck do you need to know about every week?

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Dude? My opinion, that's just yeah reporting, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
And I was just like, I ain't being a fucking
spy before, you know, and you want me to start
repeating the shit I heard people, Uh, you know, he's
dropping or fuck out of it?

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Yeah here, And I was like that was another one
that I was like, I don't know. And another thing.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
After you do your initiations, eventually a couple of weeks later,
they'll do a class for the people that were there
and or people who were even attended or took the
initiation already. If you took the second degree, you could
come back, you know, three years later. For one of
those classes, they started telling you things that would be
needed to move up at certain degrees. And at one
of them, if you're with somebody, the person's got to

(13:52):
be in the otu, and then above that. I think
it was the seventh or eighth degree, you're going to
sign over all your shit. But then now I had
this bipole on my show, which I do think he
might have been telling the truth about this, because he
was actually saying he doesn't there was somebody else I
had on my show that was a tenth degree, and
he says, I don't believe they probably stepped down because
once you reach tenth degree, all that shit everybody else

(14:13):
chipped in and fucking gave the order at the eighth
degree is now yours.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
So that is a fucking cult.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
You're giving up your care. If you never higher than that.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
You'll never get it back and somebody else owns it.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
What the fuck is that? So weird? That is crazy?

Speaker 1 (14:27):
Joe.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
I remember sitting there and they said something about, like
sine oboll your property. I was like yo, and I'm
like trying to like look at my boy Jordan, who
like did every fucking initiation with me up to that point.

Speaker 4 (14:37):
I'm like looking at I'm like, Yo, did you just
fucking hear that?

Speaker 3 (14:40):
And from that moment on, I already knew it was
I'm not going to be here forever because I'm not
doing that shit. That's fucking record if you're taking my
shit at that point, it's fucking wow. That's why I
was like, yo, this is not for me. I was like,
I do my time was short at that point.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Right, So what did you move into? Where did where
did we go from there? When? When you decided? So
around money, I couldn't even tell you anymore? Yeah, and
looking back everything so like.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
But uh, I guess getting into the stuff, I could
say I got heavily into Kabala. I got it too,
that Jamatria planetary magic. I don't know if that's where
you're trying to get into. Like where did they go from?

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Yeah? Where did you go from? I did a lot
of ritual work.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
I used to do a lot of the lesser banishing ritual,
the pentagram, the hexagram. I would do with a lot
of invocations too, But daily I would do meditations, I
would do chakra work and breathing techniques and visual visualizations.
I would say probably two or three times a day.
I still did like banishing rituals and shit. But I
did that for years and years and years.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
That take it, Like, what what were the effects if any.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Event when I started having like weird experiences where I
would go into meditations, But the first time it happened,
I did. I did like my meditations. I would only
do a meditation before ritual before like I get into it,
just to clear my mind, and then I would get
into the ritual, and then sometimes when I wanted to,
I guess it folk whatever I'm doing, I sometimes, like

(16:09):
in the middle of it, I would do another meditation
to think about like what I'm actually doing. And sometimes
I would use the what's it called the middle Pillow
ritual where instead of seven chakras, you'd have like really
five that you're focusing on, and you're supposed to like
vibrate certain sounds and picture them and then you know
all these things that you're supposed to envision, and that

(16:30):
one I was just kind of like and I think
I was doing it in an Egyptian too. I think I
was saying the words of Egyptian. I don't know if
it's the difference or not. I started doing like the
chakra things, and I was focusing on my third eye.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
And pushing on it.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
It might sound crazy for people don't understand that stuff,
but I was pushing on it, and like all of
a sudden, it was just like I had some sort
of explosion and it's like I was in like a
almost like a high reds like like I walked into
a movie. It was very weird, and that kind of
like freaked me out, but it was like it was interesting.
I had this view that I felt like that I

(17:06):
was like, I don't know why I just assumed there
was like a pyramid because I felt like I was
inside of a place that I had to peak like
a pyramid, but the wall was gone and I could
see out and it just looked like sand everywhere.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
So on my mind, I'm like, oh, this is fucking
Egypt or.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Where I don't know, pyramid, And then I started thinking
about like, well where am I? And I started thinking
like who am I? Because like all I'm seeing is
just like a vision. It's not like there's anybody attached
to it. And it's like, all of a sudden, my
view kind of like swivels around. It's like it's like
it was like a fucking floating camera or something, and

(17:40):
it starts to turn around, and like I'm like looking
at this like being that's like standing there and it
looks like an Egyptian being like standing in a cutoff
part of a pyramid, and then I started to think.
I was like, is that mean as soon as I
thought that, I woke up, I came out of that
kind of freaked me out, waited me out.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
I was like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
What the fuck that was about, because the weird thing
is is that it actually seemed extremely detailed, like the
grain you could almost see the fucking pores and everything.

Speaker 4 (18:06):
Yeah, like almost sandy.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Look or not. I've even gone back.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
I was like, yo, it almost looks like, you know,
they talk about making things out of clay and when
you start getting into kabala and shit, I'm like that
almost looked like everything was made out of clay at sand.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
It was weird.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
So I actually was like, yo, I think you're gonna
chill out with some of the rituals and I think
I'm just gonna stick to like basic meditation shit and
just you know, go back to basics and just chill
out on that, because I was like, I don't know
what the fuck that was, and it wasn't like what
I was intending, and it literally was like pretty fucking
like intense and realistic to me.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
So I was like, I don't know what the fuck
happened in my head.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
So I was like, I chill out, and I think
about a week later, I was, uh, I was meditating
and I was going up and down on my chakras
while I was sitting in a chair in the god pose,
which was basically just like with a straight back and.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Your hands on you on your legs and you're just
kind of still.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
I was doing my meditation and then I started going
in the chakra work and I started pushing them. I'm
like my third eye again, and I had noticed that,
like the dark I would push on it, and like,
you know, after meditating for a while, if it people
who do that, you might I just sound silly, but
it's like if twenty minutes in, it's gonna seem darker
for me than it was five minutes in, you know
what I'm saying. Just after it seems to get darker

(19:16):
and darker. Maybe your eyes aren't paying attention, like what's
going on outside or whatever.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
I mean, we get pretty dark.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
And but I was realizing when I was pushing on
the pineal gland, it would almost make it look like
in the middle of my vision, like it got even
darker to where it almost looked like like like oil
coming up out of the ground and starting to like
spread out.

Speaker 4 (19:34):
This is interesting, So I'm going with it, you know,
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
I'm still pressing on it, and it turns totally black,
and it starts to look like almost real fine lines
of like colors from like a thermal can, but it
was like thin burning lines like like rainbow, almost like
if from a rainbow slick of oil in a road. Yeah, yeah,
it almost looks like that coming out from the edges.
And then it just totally goes black, as black as

(20:00):
you're are, way black than it was before. And then
it almost starts to look like like it almost starts
to look like it's like moving. And I have even wondered,
as crazy as it sounds, when we get into it more,
maybe I'll see why I was wondering about that. But
I had even thought, like, is that actually not moving?
And is there some sort of like light, because if
you shine light on something in a certain way, you
can make it look like it's waving even though it's

(20:20):
not coarse.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
You know it. So I see that going on, and
then all of a sudden, it.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Just stops, like like completely, like it just turned to ice.
And then all of a sudden, I see this white
fucking burning dot. It this sounds crazy, even though I'm
in my own head, it looks like it's like this
distance inside my head between me and this. I would
call it a blazing star, because I do question if
this was what Crowley's actually talking about.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
I would see this burning white light and.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
I would just hold on to it, and like if
I wasn't pressing on my pineal gland, and it just
sound crazy, almost making my eyes crosssied by looking up
towards my pineal gland with my eyes closed.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I would lose. It does just sound crazy.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
It's almost like I had to lock on with my
eyes and the pineal hold on to this dot, and
then it will just stay. And then it starts to
get bigger too. And then like as it's getting bigger,
it's like you see it almost like this black smoke
starts swrolling around and turns into a sphere in front
of the white lights. So now as it starts to
get bigger, it's like, okay, this is an eclipse now,

(21:24):
which is what's all my logo all over the shit.
So now I got this big eclipse just like fucking
coming up, and it's in my vision and all these
from the like four cardinal angles it whatever directions, colors
start coming out, and it starts to spin and stuarts
to look.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Like it's washed.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Like I'm just gonna keep it real, and it starts
to spin and all these linest look like it's verberating out.
So I got this big eclipse in front of me
and these like those fluorescent colored lines again that looks
like like a thermal camera something like it's like burning colors,
something I have never seen with my eyes open. That's
another thing.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
All this stuff looks way different than if I have
my eyes open. It's hard to explain, but it's so.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
They're reverberating out, and then all of a sudden starts
looking like fucking explosions or something like around it, like
orange and red. And then at some point the explosions
almost start to look I was seeing it sound weird.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
And that's why I use it on one of my logos.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
It almost starts to look like roses blowing and opening
up around the eclipse. And then it's like, so I'm
watching this and I'm still focusing and like my opinion,
I'm like, yo, this this is a great fucking free
movie I'm watching right now. I'm not right to god,
I'm not thinking like really anything about this besides like, oh,
this is some pretty fucking cool, wicked shit I'm seeing

(22:46):
right now with my eyes.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
It's spread of.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
God, I'm not thinking anything insane about this. I was
even like, Yo, it's would have been cool with fucking stone.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
You know.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
So I'm this shit, and now all of a sudden
that shit goes away and I start geting like all
these all these geometric shapes like spinning, like sacred geometry,
spinning around the fucking eclipse, and a like flashing past
me and like spinning and all this shit.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
I was like, oh, this is fucking crazy, you know.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
And then I see that it goes for a while
and then all of them a sudden it stops. And
then this is like when I was like, Yo, what
the fuck? If you see my logo, it looks like
movie reels coming out. Now, if you were to like
take away making it look like a movie rail and
just had windows that were separated from each other and
looked like they were just going past you like this,

(23:37):
that's exactly what starts happening. All of a sudden, these
these windows that look like they're like Sepias cellophane. They
almost look like like it's like kind of like hinted,
but you can't see it clearly, and you just see
these windows on across your cycle and really slow, and
it looks like, I swear to god, I don't know
what the fuck it is different times of places or something,
but like every one of them has a different image

(23:58):
in it. And one time I actually was interested in
because this has happened to me multiple times. For some reason,
I was thinking, what's in that window? What's in that
And it's weird. It's like again, when I have this vision,
I don't have a body. I'm just like witnessing something. Technically,
it feels like, so I'm thinking, like, what's in that window?
And it's like my vision starts moving close to it

(24:20):
and then turns to the side and like looks into it,
and I'm looking at it. I'm like, yo, that looks
like was that Arizona or is that a nuclear fallout?
Because it just looked like nothing, like just batmanned. And
I'm like, for some reason, I thought, inside my head,
this is a This doesn't look like a place that
I want to visit. I don't know, some reason, maybe
it was an option, I don't know, And as soon

(24:41):
as I thought that, I came right out of it.
But other times when I just kind of let the
things go. If I let them go at that point
and just keep going and the eclips like almost starts
to get brighter, I'll start feeling physical feelings even within
my body. At that point, I'll start getting like almost
like a trembling in my feet. And it's almost as

(25:03):
if as the trembling moves up. Let's say, the trembling
starts at my feet, by the time I got to
my knees, everything below my knees, it doesn't even feel
like it's there anymore. Is that if as if it
blew away or doesn't even exist, or I'm like erasing
my code or some shit kind.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Of like Tron But do you see the guy getting
zapted into the computer.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
It's almost right. It's like, oh, I said, that's getting exacted.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
It's gone.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
And you know, so it starts to go up towards
closer to like my stomach now, and it's like almost
like I could feel like everything maybe in me is
starting to build up, and then it gets to like
up in my head, and at one point, like right
out the back.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Of the right where they put the fucking yamica. I
don't know if that has something to do with.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
It literally feels like I'm tarting to like fucking burst
out of the top of my head. And then at
that point it feels like it sounds crazy like water
or electricity is something.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
It just starts.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Flowing from the bottom of all way up, and it
feels like, like I've explained it like this, if you
were like laying on the beach and the waves crashed
and the water started rolling up, rolling up the sand,
I guess somehow say, if your feet, the bottom of
your feet were cut open and the water could run
through your body, it was as if it just kept
flowing right through you.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
And that started happening. And then as it.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Blew up like out of my head.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
Right before that, as this is happening, those screens go
away and all I see is just the eclipse all
by itself. And then it starts to come apart, but
not from right to left like we normally see, just
like Toast's headdress with the crescent moon in the sun.
It starts to separate and it looks just like that.
For a few seconds, you see more of the white

(26:39):
cret of the white and the black moving, and then
all of a sudden, it completely separates and it goes
away and you have this glowing white light, and all
of a sudden, it's like whew. It's as if like
someone put a trigger up to your head and pulled it.
You see this, and like literally feels like the pressure
that I have been pushing on my tht I that

(27:00):
whole time, Like all of a sudden, it switched polarity
and now everything that I've been pushing is now coming
back at me. And all of a sudden, it's like
you even feel like something in my third eye around
my head like crack or explode, and like all of
a sudden, it was just complete white light.

Speaker 4 (27:16):
And then I felt as if like.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
I burst into like a thousand butterflies, and all of
a sudden, it felt like my whole body and my
whole self just started stretching.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
The fuck out and fluttering.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
And then like I just is gonna sound crazy, but
like I've wondered about what the pitch is NASA is
showing you, because that's basically the shit that I saw
when I was out there, it's gonna look like it
looked like a lot of like out of space to me,
and you're not there. Even at one point it felt
like a little bit like two thousand and one where
they're showing the ending and the show and like that
plane and everything like kind of like stretching.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
It almost literally felt like that I was just being
stretched down to the fabric of reality. But like as
that was happening, all I felt was this feeling that
normally what I would express here as love, but a
million times I'm more intense. And like I've said this before,
no matter what drug or no matter what nut you bust,
it is never going to feel the same as this.

(28:09):
It's something that I have never in those feelings that
I experienced, I have never felt them before except for
this experience. And long story short, after I had this experience,
I had it a few more times, and from doing it,
eventually he did end up in the hospital. I bede
a picture about it and put it up recently, and

(28:29):
I have said this for the last fucking four years.
When I fuck with magic, my one pupil blows up
and the other one gets small. Same fucking thing the
liver King's acting out on.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
That's what I was about to say.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
You fuck with Magic enough, you will act like him,
you will act like Kanye West.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
You'll turn into Joe Biden. That is my opinion.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Those people are fucking with magic and that eyeballshit is
a side effect of one of them. I had that
happen to me. Doctors had zero fucking clue what was wrong.
Because I said, your eyes, it's still good. They had
me go see a specialist. But when I was in
the hospital, they were saying that whatever I was experiencing
was migraines. But I also had an issue with my
fucking blood. My hemoglobein was jacked up to nineteen point six.

(29:11):
They said it's basically sludge. They had to give me blood,
and they had to give me a bag of sailing.
So what I'm trying to hit that too. I do
think there is actually something in your blood. Maybe it's
like that Star Wars shit. We got this whatever they
call that crap medical, but there's something. I had an
issue with that and my eyes, and even now, if

(29:32):
I fuck with that shit or sometimes I can bring myself,
I'll bring myself to the Eclipse and the movies coming.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
But I won't let myself blast off, not all the time.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Even if I do that, when I open up my eyes,
I've even shown pictures on Twitter, my pupils will change.
And if you think about Horace, the aion of Horace,
what does he do? He fights and flies? I'm getting
flight and fight both ive.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah. Well, man, I've had similar experiences when I took psilocybin.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
See, that's what freaks me out about doing any of that.
Ship Yeah, mean said, actually, what the is gonna happen
to me if I take that?

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Was psilocybin. And I don't know about the eyes though,
but I mean psilocybin's a long hall. That's a I mean,
not like a long haul, but a few hours. Man,
you're in it, yeah yeah, and you you're feeling stuff
and seeing stuff and talking to stuff. Had a full
blown conversation with a cardinal. Yeah, like crazy, And I

(30:28):
get I understand the rose I understand the roses. So
I used to also do a practice call. I don't
really I haven't really done it in a long time,
but coherent breathing it's called okay, and it's very focusing
and you're visualizing things coming up from the out of your.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Head or vice versa. Yes, yes, I think that is
very important.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
So, yeah, it's one of those things like it's it's
so confusing, right, and you especially as people that want
to like I feel inherently like a good person. I
don't want to tap into anything not good, right, But
it's super confusing because it feels and it doesn't feel good,

(31:11):
Like you said that that feeling of love. That is
also the feeling that people that have near death experiences,
people that like, how does how does that you know,
how does that focus in on endes? How does that
come into every time people see the light? It's just love?

(31:31):
But is it a counterfeit or is that the same experience? Right?
It's one of those things. Again, this is one of
those one of those times I say that we don't
know shit. We don't know shit about anything, and we're
way outside our depth and we can interpret it the
way that we think we can. But unless you've been

(31:54):
you know what I'm saying, dude, soul the shame of
what reality actually is. Yeah, it's like so it's like
one of those things like where do you go with that?

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Man?

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Like, where do you go to. Where do you go
with that?

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Well, that was exactly how I started the podcast, I guess.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
So it's funny how this you know, went into that
because my literal question was like those unfamiliar with the
co rejects, what inspired you to start the podcast? Yes?
What does the name truly mean to you? That's exactly
what I've written now.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah again Now, because I had that experience, I was
just like, this is another thing too, and this is
gonna sound so fucking corny, and I know it does,
or maybe some people don't think it is. I don't
know who cares, but it's very much. It just sounds silly,
very much like the Matrix. Now, I'm not gonna wake
up and be like, oh, I know you know what
I'm saying, like Neo and he's like, so you're going

(32:49):
to open up your eyes and know stuff you didn't
know prior. You're gonna open right and things that have
confused you before there.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Was you know them, you know them here? Yeah, and
it's like you're being told like you know now.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
It's not even like I think it is a fucking
knowing to where it's almost like I've had visions to
where it's just like you'll see all these all like
these visions or all these like tarot cards or all
this stuff, and it's like, for some reason, the way
it's being strung along and you're visualizing it.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
You're like, oh my god, I see what it's showing me.
Weird And not that I'm not going to cut you
off and go down some rabbit hole. But like I
know people, So I've I've had a experience where I died,
but I didn't have it. I didn't have a traditional
end like you know, I didn't. I don't remember a
damn thing right, but I woke up and I just

(33:41):
know shit and I can do shit. So like I
have enough. So I I feel energy and I see it.
I can see people's I can see people's auras and stuff.
I can tell when something's wrong. I can all these things,
but I don't remember anything. Like so I had an experience,

(34:02):
but I didn't have an experience. And I've met other
folks that have had I call them nonny NDEs, but
they but they definitely died right, and then you know,
had to either get resuscitated in some form or fashion.
They don't remember anything, but now they can walk into

(34:22):
a house and know like if there's good or bad
energy there right like in their gut, like they feel it.
So there's there, there's remnants of that whatever the that is.
There's remnants that have been pulled or opened whatever. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
So anyway, it was, you know, it was weird, like
just another thing like even like you know, I don't
know if like things change in a person after they
have these experiences. One of the reasons I even had
sent myself to the hospital is besides not feeling good,
because my body just felt like it was like a
battery about to explode. I was like feeling like okay,
and I was like, you know, let me two blocks
of maybe three blocks down the road to the park

(35:03):
and let me just walk around, get outside.

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Yeah, like touch touch grass, right, yeah, I'm walking around
to it.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
And it's like, Yo, this is gonna sound fucking insane.
There would be somebody like me, well eventually would turn
into the person. It would be like somebody walking their
dog down the fucking like down farther to the walkway
in the park and it looks like light fucking shooting
up from the fucking ground, like turning into a two
dimensional picture and then popping into three and I was like, yo,
what the fuck is wrong with me?

Speaker 2 (35:29):
And didn't take anything I promised go And that was
another thing too. I swear this is not crazy.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
I didn't start smoking weed again until COVID because I
was like, Yo, if I gotta fucking go out in
the world and deal with these fucking crazy motherfuckers, I'm
gonna have to start smoking again. I literally quit smoking
weed for about fifteen years, so I wasn't even stoned
when I was doing these rituals, so like there was
no drugs or alcohol even involved when I when I
had these crazy effects, these magical experiences, so that was

(35:54):
even nothing. I can't even choke it up to the
fucking weed. Yeah yeah, so uh yeah. So like even
just that, like just seeing things differently, things, things started
coming into my head that I was just like, Yo,
I believed it to be true, and I was like,
if this is real, everything I've been told is a
fucking lie about our existence? Like are you start even

(36:15):
thinking if what I even experienced is what I think
it is, this isn't we've been believed to think that
this isn't normal or possible.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
You know.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
One of the things I do want to get into
with you, and it's something that I do when I
have an opportunity. I do like to try to push
this aspect because I do think it's truthful and if
you're gonna get involved in the shit, I think people
should understand what the fuck they're really playing with. But
when it comes to magic, magic, magic like really my experience,
I think you are separating your soul from your body,
and I do think in a sense, you are actually

(36:44):
having an NDE. The movie, my opinion, the movie flat
Liners is real, that real because in a sense, I
would say, let's say me and you had that experience
through meditation. We just did it in a natural way.
Their way is a hat cheat code or you know,
they're using drugs and they're you know, trying to keep
themselves out for a certain amount of time. We go

(37:04):
into a meditation and we just click out here and
there and then come back. I do believe that, as
crazy as it sounds, if you really want to fuck
with magic and you want to have those same experiences,
you are actually fucking with life and death.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Yeah, and not.

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Trying to like sound crazier. No, no, actually not all.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
The fuck I had no idea what was happening at first?
And if you haven't watched that movie, it's an older
movie from the Flatliners. Watch it. It'll make your head
explode a little.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
Bit every time they wake up, like don't they understand?
And no different shit kind.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Of yeah, and then it ends up turning bad, yeah,
because they start up using it and doing it over
and over again.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
That's right, Kanye West.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I'm really yeah, like wow, like just the correlations and
the and whatnot. Yeah, it's man, Yeah, you don't even
because again we don't know shit it start.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
I think entertaining certain stuff and keeping the whole death
and rebirth as literal, I think a lot of things
might actually start making more sense than the occult when
you start actually wanting to entertain them.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
That might actually be literal and not just a free Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
And it just shows you how fine the line is
right to step over doesn't take much.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
No, I mean in that too, never not comparing myself
to Jesus, but I mean even that guy Smully said
he died too to have this.

Speaker 5 (38:21):
Experience, right, Yes, I mean I'm telling you in religious books,
this guy had to die to have that experience, so
that the death thing and because of those experiences is
what made me start to end my problems with my eyeballs,
started making me think, what the fuck's up with the
eyes and this shit?

Speaker 4 (38:40):
And that's when I started looking into the eyeballs and.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
Like really looking into them, like pictures of them and
learning how they work, and like looking at certain things,
and I was just like, Yo, this is old.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
There's a lot of occult symbolism in here.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
And then eventually ended up doing like a five or
six part series that I honestly wish I could reado
now because it probably be like two hundred times better,
just because me and the people on the show have
like learn so much more since then. In my opinion,
I think one of the biggest secrets of secrets in
occult symbolism is actually they do. My opinion, the Catholic Church,
especially during the Renaissance time, that's all those motherfuckers were

(39:14):
doing was creating, building shit or making stuff that was
just representing the inside of your eyeball.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
On what's going on during a magical. A lot of
it seems like it to me.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
I mean, even certain schiguls you start looking at You're like, wow,
that's exactly how light reflects off of your lens, like
even the you know, maybe I have the universal hexagram
on my arm, depending.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
On what your lens is doing.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
At some point, it looks like that the Hubble telescope
reflects their light like that inside of it, the exit
makes a universal hexagram in order to see the stars. Supposedly,
that's what the light reflection is if the mirror is
inside of the telescope, to see that something's up with that.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
It's not all just Dixon demons.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, so like yeah, like, I mean, people try to
make this still black and white literally right when it's
so much of it's just gray. So it's like in
your research though, like what's the relationship between trying to
figure out I guess spiritual warfare let's call it that,
and a cult ritual, like how much of what we're

(40:17):
seeing is physical versus metaphysical in nature? Right?

Speaker 3 (40:23):
I think when it comes to ritual stuff, you know,
this is really the best answer. Eventually I started having
these experiences without doing any rituals. But I do think
some of this din sound crazy, the LBRP especially and
maybe even the hexagram. I actually do think you are
mimicking your eyeballs movements to have a magical experience. That's
gonna sound crazy, but like do your eyeball, your pupil

(40:48):
will open up from the four cardinal directions, but when
it closes, it screws closed. And a fun fact for
people to may not know this, and a question if
this is why Croley even said magic is in the
asshole or magic is in the butt. But your pupil
is the same muscle inside your asshole, the sphinxter muscle.

(41:08):
That's why it twists closed. So technically your asshole is
in your eye.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
I guess, so now.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Grew closed assholes, right, everybody's got yeah, so that will
spin closed. So now in the ritual, you're going to
the four cardinal directions and you're basically, you know, taking
control of that area. And as you're doing that, and
you're in your black robe, like your pupils spinning closed.
And then you're even like a camera, right, it spins

(41:38):
and some people will put salt around their circle and
your area serata, you'll start to grow crystal crystalline stuff
around it too. He says, I know this sounds crazy,
but I do think in some of those rituals you're
actually showing either opening or closing of the pupil, which
then starts to dictate light, which is exactly what you're
supposed to be doing in those fucking things. I know

(42:00):
that sounds crazy, but I think a lot of ritual
stuff like put it this way.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
After my opinion, after I had a magical experience.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
I realized, for me, this is where you really, I think,
have to make a decision, or this is where I
think I will judge. By God, it is a little hard,
but I don't want to use that phrase, but it's
the easiest thing for pab most people to understand.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
But at that point, this is where I think it
matters who the fuck I.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Am, because either I'm going to go back and tell
people about my experience and how you can have one too,
or I'm going to use this experience to manipulate.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Motherfuckers and get mine. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
Because I think you have that experience, you know exactly
who the fuck you are and how the fuck your
mind works and what fear throws shackles on you. For me,
I had to do that was a big thing. I
did a lot of shadow work before this experience. I
started looking at my own mind and started figuring out
why am I run on certain fears? Where the fuck
did I get those from? Do I even agree with
that shit anymore? And I just feel that fucking forgot where.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
It was going with that. Oh, that you will start.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
To realize it is it when you start to For me,
when I started realizing what controlled me, You're like, this
is every other person in the world. It's just somebody
has a little buttons that maybe you have to push
a little bit harder. You'll know how to manipulate and
make them on the fucker fear something loves something or
hate something. And I do think that after this experience,
it was just like for me, it's just like you're like, Yo,

(43:24):
this is a where do you go from here? And
that was even some of the reasons why I even
kind of chilled out on doing this shit, because it's
just like at some point after doing this, and am
I just gonna be like you know what, I think
I'm gonna choose the asshole the time?

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah, Like you've gotta yeah, And I was like, you
got to a point where you uncovered something that made
you stop digging. Yeah, it was enough for not Yeah,
And like let me let me ask you, though, have
you ever felt like when you're in a state, let's
call it that, where you're being that you feel like
you're being watched.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
It felt like that afterwards, believe it or not, there
was something that even made me feel like that, like
somehow the people may have known that I had that experience,
Right's and the reasons why I didn't even want to
go back to the place anymore because it's spooky crazy,
because I was like, I don't want anybody even picking
up on it, because I was a little confused about

(44:19):
what the fuck happened. I don't need some sick fuck
telling me what my experience was. And then I'm like,
oh my god, okay, that sounds great. I want to
believe that, and before you know what, I'm being pimped
out of mind fucked by somebody at the lodge.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah yeah, what about what about like in danger?

Speaker 3 (44:34):
I did feel all that after an experience. Again, this
is reasons why I didn't even want to go back.
I felt like there was like I just wasn't a
safe plea.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
Yeah, yeah, right now, I know exactly what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Somebody go there that something happened. I was like, I
just don't want to go back. I'm good on my own,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
So, so what I mean this is obviously podcast, It's
called broadcasting seeds. And you know what I do, man,
we've talked, and so I just like to plant seeds
in people's minds and make them think about shit. Right. So,
so for someone getting started to wake up to this
type of stuff right in the world, and it doesn't

(45:14):
matter where you're coming from, doesn't really matter, because you're
everyone's coming from somewhere. Whether you're talking religion, we're talking
you know, good, bad, ugly, all of it, right, even
spiritually dangerous. Some people would will look at it in
that aspect, right, Any rules calm, it's my military background,

(45:37):
any rules of engagement like that that that you can
share just so people are safe. Man.

Speaker 4 (45:46):
Like, for one, you know, this is something I even
kind of wanted to get into.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
And I think maybe there's a little bit teetering what
you're asking about too, in my opinion when it comes
to magic. If you want to start getting into black
and white magic, and I even think that's not the
best way to explain.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
It, it's it's the best thing.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
I think what I was doing at one point, Yes,
I was very interested in trying to control and run
the world around me. And at some point when I
started getting into more of the whole spiritual stuff, and
believe it or not, when I got into kabbala war,
I started getting much more into the idea of God
and trying to figure that out of my existence. I
was more focused on me changing so I can have

(46:27):
a magical experience with God. In my opinion, if you
want to get into white and black manipulating or not,
I think that is a difference that instead of pushing
my will onto the world around me, I'm just trying
to change myself to having an experience with God.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Those are two totally different things. I would say.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
If you really want to get into magic and playing
with that stuff, you're going to have to look at yourself.
It's it's very much psychled social. It's not all as
glamorous as you know. Everybody would probably say, who's has
half an experience or know what they're doing. Your first
things you're gonna do is learn to meditate. That doesn't
sound fucking fun to anybody. You know, You're gonna have
to learn to live inside your own head. Just crazy

(47:09):
as it sounds, and I've even said it on the show,
and I said, if it stops people from listening, you're
gonna have to stop possibly listening to ten fucking podcasts
a day because you don't want to be stuck in
your own head listening to your own fucking words.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
You're gonna have to figure out why do I not
like hearing my own head?

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Yeah, you might have to actually learn to deal with
that the believe in it, and that what I'm getting
at is is not all like a rituals and glamorous shit.
You're gonna have to I think actually, if you want
to do the right thing and help out this world,
it's gonna have to be much more on changing you
so you can finally hear God's voice. And my opinion,
when that happens, you're supposed to share that with people

(47:46):
and will.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
Help them have their own experience.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
And again, like when I'm saying, I do think if
you're going to have that experience, you're gonna have to
entertain might have to kind of die in a sense,
And I do believe it is possible that if you
make that sacrifice, you may not come back. And not
trying to make that sound glamorous or edgy or you know, whatever.

(48:11):
It's just it's the truth. So you really should think
about what you're going to embark on. If you really
want to fuck with that shit, you know you could
you could get into it in a wick away and
maybe just have some fun and make it entertaining or whatever.
But if you really want to fuck with that shit
and understand how the people are running this world, you're
gonna have to do things. But ninety three percent of

(48:32):
the population ain't willing to do and then you're still
gonna have to worry about what am I going to
do with this understanding that I have now that I
haven't had. Yeah, in my opinion, you got have to
make sure you're a very good person before you even
get which is the got to figure.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Out who you are, right, So I guess kind of
the next thing is like at this time in our world, right,
are we more like a mass spiritual awakening or are
more people falling under like deeper control. I think both
is coming.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Actually, I think to people who are NPCs as sheep
are just gonna fucking get even worse. And I think
there's gonna be a few it's starting to happen now,
And I mean just even from my experience at the
Cosmic Summit, even minus the stuff I told you about
from the templars, just the stuff that is being certained scientifically,
and even just how people are starting to go places
and research stuff. This may sound silly, but I do

(49:30):
think we're on the precipice of like another occult renaissance,
and I think it's actually very important that either we
do it die at this point, you know. But I
do think it's gonna happen. I do think stuff is
going to start coming out where the mass population is
gonna have to start questioning what the fuck is like
maybe understood everything that we have been told, maybe this

(49:51):
world is a little bit more magical. It will pibly
be presented in a scientific way, which I think is
probably the easiest way for humans to be able to
accept shits a little bit weirder than we thought because
science told us. But the thing is, if you start
looking at some of the weird shit scientists are even
getting into. If magicians or occultists were to talk to
each other, if they're to drop their fucking egos on
both sides and actually talk to each other, they changed

(50:13):
the fucking world in a few years because they're looking
at the same shit.

Speaker 4 (50:17):
So I do think at some.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
Point, even people like myself are luckily come across people
that are like kind of in the academic world to
take shit for some reason out of my mouth serious
that like they are starting to see that, like there
is a correlation here, and I see it happening with
more people, And I do think we're we're at a
spot that I think eventually, hopefully within the next year
or two, I think we will start understanding more stuff

(50:42):
or or we're gonna perish and just get even worse.
But I do think we actually, I do think I'm
trying to think positive. Maybe when I was at the
Cosmics Comet, minus all the fucking templars and the Freemasons,
but minus all that shit some of the stuff that
was actually being entertained from an occultist angle, I was like, wow,
I get like this is this is actually.

Speaker 4 (51:00):
Promising some of this stuff, because right people, you're getting people.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Now that are actually like into like they're studying the
whole cimatics vibration stuff, and they're starting to realize that
these things, like they're starting to figure out now that
churches are made in certain ways that even if the
person's playing the organ. Because of the way the church
is designed, the fucking sound is going to be different. Yeah, right,
playing and what's actually being heard is completely different, and

(51:26):
it's being done on purpose. They're starting to realize that
certain churches are either used to focus stuff or.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
Actually project it, and they're all on mounds.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
They're starting to realize now that old stuff from the
medieval times that they thought were castles were actually probably
power generator. Like the fact that this stuff is starting
to come up going back hundreds of years, you're gonna
have to start asking how the fuck did these people
know how to do this? And I think that is
the stuff that's gonna start getting motherfuckers and be like, yo,
wait what we've known science for a while. And now

(51:57):
if you start going back to alchemists from the fifteen
to six exteen hundred, they're drawing eyeballs and brains inside
there occult manuscripts, and they're talking about sound and frequencies,
you know, we're gonna hopefully start going I do think
there's a possible way that we might actually start going
back to a little bit of that and people might
start waking up a little bit. But I think the
NPCs that don't it's been done for a minute. Yeah, right,

(52:20):
I do think even that whole covid era was kind
of like we're going to.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
See well, I mean, I'm not going to go down
the sparously rabbital this late episode, but I mean, dude,
all you have to do is look at like fluoride, right,
And we know what fluoride does to the pineal gland,
which is what we would call our third eye, right,
hydrofluorosilicic acid and those things and that were literally probably

(52:47):
being poisoned if you.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Look into why they even use that, why they started
using fluoride, it was because it's too expensive to get
rid of the poison. That it's easier to just distribute
it to water like people fucking digested and shout it
out is here.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
You know, it might help your teeth.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Yeah, yeah, small dozens will help your teeth, but when
we want to get rid of it, it's too expensive
of a fucking thing to get like what what?

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Yeah? And and you know mind control helps with that
for sure.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
Yeah, the benefits of that ship too.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
So anyway, all right, Nick, tell us again, where are
the best ways is to find you? And no?

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Yeah, uh best ways if you're into video on YouTube,
Uh knock on wood be doing pretty well with that.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Catch a lot of lives on there.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
So if you want to catch shows early before they
hit audio, you might be able to catch some of
them on there. Rumble and bit shoot for video and
audio on all major podcasts, you know, Sprinker Apples, Spotify,
all those.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Yeah, the things of the stuff, yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:51):
Wherever Spriker sends to.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
So yeah, I got all that, And I have the
Occult Research Institute dot org that has a lot.

Speaker 4 (53:58):
Of the occult rejects on there, even people that aren't.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
Necessarily in a cult reject like I got Mario from
Symbolic Studies and a few other people that have don't work.
There's some people on there that I've even actually done
real scientific PaperWorks on or going. We got a guy
leon on that. So there's a lot of stuff on there.
It's all forfree to check out. So check out a
cult research institute dot Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
That's awesome, and uh donate. Yeah, I'm a coffee, Yeah,
we got buy me a coffee.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
We got Patriot, I got all those, a lot of things.
People can even look at my Patreon. I don't I
think I might have one or two people.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
So yeah, I don't even answer advertise.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
That's another problem too.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
I feel like it. Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure
that's that's a absolutely again, thank you so much for
coming on. Man.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
That was great.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
That was and we'll do it again.

Speaker 3 (54:42):
So he yes, yeah, yeah, yo yoe.

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