June 14, 2025 • 54 mins
In this episode of Broadcasting Seeds, we sit down with Ryley Watson, host of the Midwest Mythos Podcast, to dive deep into the strange, the supernatural, and the unforgettable experiences that shaped his journey into the world of cryptids, folklore, and high strangeness. Ryley opens up about his own personal encounters—moments that led him to start Midwest Mythos and dedicate himself to exploring the untold stories hidden in the heartland. We talk about his favorite episode, the chilling cases that stuck with him, and what keeps him searching for the truth behind the legends. From haunted woods and cryptid sightings to firsthand accounts that challenge reality, this episode explores the power of myth, memory, and the paranormal landscape of the Midwest.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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the sign.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeh yeh jee jep.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Straight from the broadcast studio and in the static ecstatic.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Static studie studios.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
From the broadcast studio, Yeah it's yet. Straight from the
broadcast studio.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
We're live. Hey, Riley, tell us who you are and
what you do.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
So I am Riley Wants. I'm the host of Midwest
Mythos and man, I talk about the cryptids, that ancient history.
I like talking about the aliens, conspiracies, and most of all,
I love talking about Jesus and the Bible. And you
get a mixture of all that kind of stuff on
Midwest Mythos and Yeah. Man, it's just it's I like
talking about the weird stuff nobody talks about. I finally
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got the outlet to do it because you know, growing up,
I had maybe like two friends I talked about this stuff.
Then I heard about podcasts and I was like, man,
let me do it. I am a year in last week,
two weeks ago. This is awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Who's your favorite guest so far? Now that's a loaded question.
I'm just saying, but you know, we all kind of
have shows that we know are good.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, honestly, I would have to and this is nothing
that any of the guests I had on because I.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I love every guess I understand that too.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Honestly, it would have to be as far as like
blowing my mind, just like in just the flow of
the conversation. It has to be Amber from Cold Life Escaped.
I actually just had her episode just came out this
past week. And I'm sitting there and you know, when
I'm talking to people, I always get I'm involved in
the conversation. Yeah, focused and pay in. But me and her,
it only felt like we were recording for like twenty minutes,
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thirty minutes. We're there for two and a half hours almost. Yeah,
that's a good one, getting into it talking about satanic colts,
the signs of everything and how to get into them.
And I'm just like, man, this is all everything that
I've always been into researching. Yeah, it all came just
into this one. And I was like, man, this is
I've told her like ten times this last week. This
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is probably the funnest interview I've ever done.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
That's awesome. What is Amber from the Cult?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Life Escaped? Dude? I'll send you, ah, I'll send you
your info after. She's a wonderful woman to talk to
and take a lot of notes. So you're all good?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
So do I so so talk to us about what
got you into this whole thing, Like, you know, did
you have an experience when you were younger? All that
type of stuff. You know, there's everyone's got a gateway,
so what what is yours? All?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Right? So it's funny because I actually this is like
the whole intro to my podcast. It's me playing guitar,
and I'm just like, ever since I was a young boy,
been fascinated of stories of the unknown places yet to
be discovered, while people trying to find their wildest riches,
all that kind of stuff, experiences creatures. So it's kind
of funny because when I was a child, I was
afraid of everything. Everything scared me. I was definitely terrified
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of aliens, ghosts, everything. My parents were surprised. I even
watched Scooby Doo right, and they were kind of just
they were kind of disappointed to me because there I
come from a family like horror is everything. Like they
you name a horror movie from the seventies to present, Yep,
they've seen it and wow. So I just kind of
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shied away from all this kind of stuff. And then
in about two thousand, was it two thousand and six
or two thousand and seven, Monster Quest started coming out,
and I just remember watching it one day and it
was the second episode and it was about Bigfoot in
the Pacific Northwest, and I was like, oh, this is
really really cool. So I kind of just like it
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kind of just ingrained itself in my little kid mind,
and I never forgot about it. So when i'd go
to the library and stuff at school, I'd look I'd
be like, hey, this is whatever, Master, can you help
me find a book on Bigfoot? And she would helped
me find all these books on Bigfoot, and then I
read those look at the pictures, and then some of
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these books, for being in a kid's library, got into
some pretty deep stuff like connections to UFOs and stuff
like that. And like I said earlier, I was terrified
at aliens, so like I kind of got scared for
a minute, but I tried to stick with the big
Harry Man did a bunch of research on research when
I was a kid. Then Ancient Aliens came out, and
my dad was obsessed with that show because he did
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when he was alive. If you walked into my parents' house,
he had the Sci Fi channel lot and was watching
those crappy be movies and stuff like that. R his
three favorite movies of all time, Armageddon, which is not
a B movie, not the worst movie, Dependence Day, and
then Firing the Skies, and so we would just he
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was all about aliens and stuff, and he was open
to talk about them with me, and so we'd get
home from school watch Ancient Aliens and I was just like,
Ahian Aliens was slippery slope. It helped me get over
my fear of aliens at like eleven or twelve. And
then at that point my best friend Caleb, he was
also into the stuff, so me and him would bounce
ideas off of each other, talk about it, do research.
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We attempted to read Chariot of the Gods at twelve,
and that book is a pretty.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Dense you know, it's pretty bad. It's a more advanced book. Yeah,
so we're.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Just like, as screw this, We're not gonna read this.
And then as we got older, like seniors in high school,
we started to And at this point I came across
Sasquatch Chronicles and The Confessionals right when he first started
that podcast yep, so like late twenty seventeen, early twenty eighteen,
and I was like, wait, there's a whole world of
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people talking about this. Nobody besides my buddy will talk
about this stuff with me. So over the years, I
just like, all right, I'm gonna start a podcast. I'm
gonna start a podcast. Never did. Then I met Shane
Jones from Inquiers of Our Reality.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Who we were just talking about good Dad.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
We met at Eric from Uncomfortable Podcasts his event in
Michigan Bigfoot and Bruise. Shane and I hooked it off,
and I talked to Eric too, and both of them
were like, oh, you should start a podcast. A couple
of years went by and boom, here it was. But
I've always I guess it's a long winded story, but
now it's always been a I mean, I've had plenty
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of experiences too. I've living right on Lake Michigan.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
UFOs are not a surprise me and countless other people
I've lived with, by friends, all that we've all, we've
all seen UFOs. It's a couple of them we know
for sure. Others could just be other things. We know
they're not planes because there's so much airplane traffic in
the area. We're very, very familiar all the airports in Chicago.
We got all the airports from Wisconsin, Michigan, Detroit, you know,
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Betton Harber's Airport. I've been, so we know what planes
look like because we see about two hundred of them
a day. Yeah, it was just stuff like that and
I'm like, man, I'm gonna start talking about it on
the podcast. So yeah, that's how That's how I got here, man.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah. So when so let's transition into like cryptids a
little bit. Yeah, and we'll just get into this whole
camping trip that you guys went on, you and Doc
and who actually put that together.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
So that was a that was a combined effort of
horror owns from Big four reports and data and then
uh Drew Ski from Crypti Warfare.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah and c w ops.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
He they they got together. I got a text. I
interviewed Drew Sky like last late last summer.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Me and him hit it off right away, and he's like, bro,
you got to come out with me and my team sometime.
And I was like, I you know, you guys are Yeah.
So he's like, oh, well, I'm in the works. I'm
talking to this one guy. And this is before really
before Harley even like blew up.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
So they they had been talking for quite a while
and next thing, you know, me and Harley get to
know each other and I get an invite from both
of them at the same time. That's awesome, Hey you
want to come you want to come down to an
undisclosed location down to Tennessee and you know, go camping,
look for bigfoot and dog man.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I think the whole swath of eastern Tennessee is undisclosed. Seriously,
it really is. It's crazy. Yeah. I've been down there
a few times, not not really for this type stuff,
but when I was down there, I always just got
And I've also spent a lot of time across the
border in North Carolina in the Smokies, and dude, it's
(09:10):
just got a different energy there, man, And.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
It really does. And we can get into that, man.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah, for sure, absolutely, I want to. I want to
hear about it because the next time, if I don't
get invited, I'm gonna torch some stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
You know. That's a very uh that's a very common
statement that I've been hearing late. There's been a lot
of people, and some of the people had invites in
there just like, no, I don't want to come.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
You know, I would be there in a heartbeat. That's
just you know, but you know, not everyone's able to
to do it. You get it. Yeah, so you no,
I'm just I'm just messing around, but not messing around.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah, I know, I know exactly what you mean Drew Ski.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
When you listen to this, don't do it man, Oh
your boy, do it man.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
But yeah, so we've had you know, some people obviously,
life happens, they weren't able to come out. That's understandable,
you know. And then others, like I said, just were like,
I don't I'm feeling I don't think nothing's gonna happen,
to be honest, I was kind of skeptical going out
anyway too, because I was like, you know, I've done
my fair share of squashing up in the Midwest, Michigan mostly,
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but you know, coming from you know, the Midwest, man,
it's flat, it's corn. We got forest, but we got
some dense forests too, but it's still flat. You know.
You can get hills here and there and a lot
of tree growth, but you can still see, like even
with heavy brush, you can still see quite a bit
in front of.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
You, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
And at night, you know, moonlight still comes through the
trees a little bit. But when I was driving down there,
especially once I got into like southern Kentucky, once I
really got into the Appalation Trail and the smoky.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
It's different, animal, bro, dude.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
It it kind of hit me because I mean I've
been down there for like vacation and stuff, but that
was just, Oh, We're going to like Seerville, Pigeon forde
geat Lebert, you know, do all the touristy stuff, just
like me and my friends for like a long weekend.
So I, you know, I drive through the mountains like, oh,
these are pretty. You know, this is cool, it's breathtaking.
But going down there with the mindset of what I
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was going.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
To be doing, like I'm getting into it.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yeah. So Harley's transmission blew out on his truck, so
I'm on my way down. I've already been driving for
like nine and a half hours at this point. He
texted me. He's like, hey, boy, can you come pick
me up? Yeah, I got you. It's not too far
out the way. So I pick him up and we're
sitting there talking. He's showing me some pictures that he's
never showed anybody. He's like, he's getting me hyped and stuff.
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We're heading the doc's house to stay the night and
have a little sleepover, and we're just getting and we
go through the mountains and I'm like sitting there, I'm like, man,
I am not gonna lie. I'm kinda kind of scared
right now. This is intimidating. Like, right, it's really really
different than the Midwest.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It's just a different type of dark.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
It really is. It really it is, and that's going
to play a factor here in a little bit. So,
you know, we have our little sleepover at Dock's house,
have fun, shoot the dice about podcasting, and just just
hang out, you know, because it's our first time meeting
each other in person after talking on the phone for
eight months. Yeah, so we finally get down, all right,
(12:26):
We're going to our spot that we're gonna be at
for the week. And then we get to the spot,
Harley's with me, and I'm like, bro, I don't feel good.
Like I'm feeling really really uneasy about this, Like I
get I'm getting humbled really really quick, and just something
feels off, and part of me is like thinking logic.
I try to think logically a lot of the time. Yeah,
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I'm like, all right, well, I heard all these stories,
I've seen all these pictures and stuff from the area
I've heard over the last eight years, heard all these
stories from this general vicinity just from Tennessee, North Carolina, Kentucky,
Southern Kentucky on all these podcasts, all these encounters with
these creatures, and I'm like, you know, I've had my
own encounters with creatures and stuff up in Michigan, but
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it's this is just different. Like I don't know this place,
I don't know this type of train. Like if something
were to happen, I don't know how long I'd be
able to survive by myself. So I'm just like wigging out.
But I'm just like, all right, it's all this nothing's
actually like out here right now. You know, we're just
driving to this super secluded place, and I think that
that was like the beginning of it. So we finally
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get there, everybody starts pulling in. We're like, all right,
let's set up base camp, and you know, we're having fun.
We're showing on stuff and Drew Ski he's like, hey, Riley,
you know you're kind of in charge of like our
spiritual protection for the weekend and stuff like that. Because
we had talked about. I brought down my guitar. I
was gonna play some worship music and stuff. Yeah, I'm
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my wife and I are the worship leaders at are
Church here in Indiana, so it's like, all right, man,
you know we all most of us love g this
and pretty involved. So you know, let's just hang out.
We're gonna be by fire anyway, play some guitar, let's
do some worship. We can do some country and stuff
like that. Just have a good old time. So what
Drewsky does is he hands me a bottle of anointing oil,
and he's like, do what you gotta do.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
This isn't a ditty party jerky.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
So he's setting up anyway through the up the value. Man,
he slammed out. But yeah, man, so I take the
oil and around the perimeter of our camp and just
marking trees.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, because I would be doing this thing.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Making little crosses with the oil.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I was just upstairs. I don't have it down here
right now. But anyway, keep coming.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
It's good. It's good practice anywhere you go, especially in
your own home.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Yeah, you gotta claim it. It's so I'm like, all right,
well I'm sitting I'm praying. You know, God, Lord Jesus,
this is this is all creation is yours. I am
claiming this vicinity that we are in His camps. Yes,
as it is yours. No principalities, no creatures, no hexes, witchcraft.
Anything that is in these old ancient mountains is allowed
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in here. It is your domain. Do as you will
and what you must just protect us all. So that
is we have come to determine. Was me throwing the
match on the gasoline.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
But I've heard the same type of thing, but I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I don't care. Man, Like everybody's in hindsight looking back
at everybody's like, Man, Riley, you really did piss something off,
And I said, I don't care. I was like, this
is the authority that Christ has given us yes to do,
so I do all that. We're all good now. We're
just chilling till it's uh night time. So we're just
getting to know each other because for most of us,
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the only person that I knew, like actually knew knew
before going down there was Kevin from where the Weird
Ones are, because me and him had met up at
a small town monster fest in Ohio the previous year,
so we had already hung out, you know, we chair
some beers together. We knew each other. So we're just
meeting everybody else. And because most of us have talked
to each other on each other's podcast, and but you
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know in person it's different. So we're just right tapping
up hugs, you know, cooking some food, sitting by, trying
to get a fire set up for the night, get
all the gear ready to go. H Drew was setting
up alarms all over the place.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I get it, man, I do the same, and that's
the same thing.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Those were more for bear than anything. Like, Yeah, we
knew there was cryptids and stuff out there, but you know.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
There's trail cams for the cryptids. Yeah. Actually, but anyway,
I could see that.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I'm gonna have to try that when I'm I'm doing
something up.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Here, and I've got a few trail cams that I
set up so I can sleep soundly.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Yeah, I can see the reasoning behind that. Yeah, man,
so Drew, I don't know. I think people like Drew.
These alarms were the funniest thing ever, and they were
very very effective trip lines, all the all the cool stuff.
So all right, we're sitting here, we're relaxing stuff. Well,
finally starts to get dark. We get a game plan going.
Some people went hiking throughout the day. I was still
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very tired, so I was like, I'm just gonna I'm
just gonna rest.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Well.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Comes nighttime, they're like, all right, we're going out. We're
sending one team in one direction and one in the other.
And I decided to stay at bass camp with two
other guys and I was like, oh, I'll play some guitar,
maybe draw draw them in, you know, because that's been
that's been proven they like music. So I grew to
grab my guitar and one of the guys everybody's already
(17:35):
left at this point. One of the guys is like,
don't you dare play that guitar? And I was like,
why don't we want to draw them in? He's like,
not to bass camp. Not to bass camp. And I
was like yeah. He's like, Riley, I've been doing this
for way longer than you've been alive. That's not a
smart move. And I'm like, all right, man, I get it.
I'm gonna listen to you. Because at this point it's
so dark I can't even see and we're at bass camp.
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We have a fire and I still can't see my
hand in front of my face. Yeah, right, of like
the little red head lamps and that's all we got. Well,
the first thing that happens is we set up a
cam light, which to people that don't know what that is,
it's like a fancy glows It's a really big glow
stick at the end of the road. And my job,
besides helping run communications between the parties and stuff, is
(18:20):
to watch this close stick. But you don't want to
stare at it, because then your mind will start playing
illusions and stuff on you.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Well, me and Senior are just like, wait a second,
is that thing moving? And then all of a sudden
there's like a shadow in front of it. I'm like, what,
something's messing with this? So we're you know, calling out
to everybody we might have some we got some weird
stuff going on at base camp, and so we call
it in. I was like, all right, we'll keep an eye.
And this keeps something happening for like the next hour.
Something's like messing with this thing. Then all of a sudden,
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we hear some wrestling to the behind us, like off
in the woods. Nobody went out in that direction and
it sounds big. Was that, you know, freaking not like
freaking out, but you know, we're getting alert, like what
was that? And of course that is the one spot
that I did not take the oil out to right
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because I was like, it's like, ain't nobody gonna be
out there, I'm just gonna cut it short. So they
got pretty close. So we're already on this and then
all of a sudden we start hearing owls. We just
hit them so and they're like, oh, we're hearing hours.
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And then all of a sudden, like at this point,
I whip out my phone and I'm like, all right,
I'm if you guys hearing that. Called one of the
teams and they're like, yo, we're getting this weird like
owl noise, but it doesn't quite sound like an owl.
I'm like, yeah, you know, that's a I got it
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on video. Of course on the video, all you can
hear is I got to put it through a program
and like ripped the audio.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Out just to clean it up because you could.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Faintly hear it in the background, but other than that
you just hear us walking and stuff. But dude, it
was it was wild. It was like that was not
a The first one may have been an hour, but
the second one it was not because it sounded close,
but it was just basier almost, And then you get
that samurai chatter yep. After I'm just like because that
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was that was like on a ridge line maybe one
hundred yards from base camp and one team it was
basically in the center of the triangle between the two
teams in base camp. Yeah, I was that that kind
of got me going. I was like, man, I don't
know about this here, I don't know about this. And
(20:48):
that was really a lot of what happened the first night.
Like we talked about before, like there's always so much
I can talk about this because we've got a documentary
coming out, But the first night, there's no footage. Besides
some of this, you.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Were kicking it off right off the bat. You had
activity the first night.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, I didn't. Supposedly some people may saw some stuff
even when we were driving in just like some weird
night just shadows and stuff. Well, the next morning the
first thing, because I I was supposed to sleep in
a hammock all weekend. But after that, I was like,
I'm sleeping in my car and.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I get it, man, I get it.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
And I lucked out. And I think a few of
us lucked out because I wasn't. My only when thinking that,
it was like mind soon raining, So I'm just like, oh, man,
I didn't put my tarp up right, because I did
put it up right, but there was so much rain.
My hand is still right. Yeah, it still got wet
a little bit, like I could have slept in it,
but it was a good excuse to sleep in my car.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
In the car. Yeah, and so on.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Just the next morning, we wake up and we go
out to where that camp light was and there's a
slide next to it, like where something stepped. Yeah, and
it slid and I can't remember remember if Doc, if
you end up listening to this and you hear there,
you know, if this is something that i'm it's I'm sorry,
but it was before you got here in the morning,
so I think it's a pretty fair game. But it's yeah,
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there was like a slide. It was a big slide
like something, because like I said, it was really wet
right where it would have crossed over and blacked out
the light was where it would have had to step.
And there was a trail going from one creek. Well
it went up on a ridge, but there was a
creek behind it, and then there's another ridge to my
left and there's a creek down below right, So there
(22:35):
was just you know, game trail but possible footprints, just
like the way the foliage and everything was it would
you know it wasn't Yeah, we wouldn't be able to
get nice, like clean tracks. Now we did. There was
other places in the location where we were able to
see some really cool tracks, and you can see those
on Harley's page. Actually some of the tracks we didn't
(22:57):
even take pictures of. Honestly, at that point, there was
so many tracks that it was like, all right, do
we want to take a picture of this or do
we want to keep on moving? And we chose to
keep on moving because there's just so much stuff happening.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, for sure. I always tell people there's a really
cool app called scanner Verse, and I don't know, you know,
some people have it, some people don't. I've found it
very effective because you can manipulate the picture after meaning
you can you know, look at all angles of it.
So if you don't have that on your phone, you
should get it.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
I'm gonna check it out.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah, scan it. It's free. Oh even better, it's a
free app, so you can take you take like e
motion kind of like picture of all angles of the
of the print, and then you can spin it and
look at it. It's wild, and I've got a couple
like bigfoot tracks and then some really big kne hunt tracks,
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which come on, Man, I don't try to mess around
with dog man. Oh man, just saying for some reason,
I you know, it just doesn't sasquatch. Bigfoot doesn't do
that give me the same willies. Yeah, not that it wouldn't.
I mean, and I've had pretty close encounters. But for
some reason, dog man, I don't know. Man, something about
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it gets me. And maybe it's because I got bit
by a dog when I was a kid, and I've
got this caneine issue. I don't have a canine issue,
but maybe I do, but only with a dog man.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I get that. Man. You know, I've had my fair
share of like close with the squatch. Yeah, but yeah,
the dog man. Well, my wife's actually seen one not
too far away from our house while driving down the highway.
It's right by a state park that I like to
go out to all the time. Yeah, dude, Like she
the way she described it, she's not even into the stuff,
Like she had no interest in it until we got married,
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and she's kind of just like sucked into it. But
she described it as terrifying I was like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah, man, yeah, I mean I know that people also
have the you know, they have like dog man encounters,
but I'm also like the type I guess that you
would call a type three sasquatch, which is a more
like babboon. Yeah, like sasquatch. So it's got like a muzzle,
like a babboone. Yeah, more like that. Would you call it?
(25:14):
There's a name, the Gugway maybe, Yeah, that's that sounds
something like that. But anyway, that's splitting hairs at this point.
But uh so, so you say you've had encounters, what
what other encounters stick out in your mind that you've had?
Speaker 4 (25:29):
So this I live at this property up in Betton Harbor, Michigan.
Go around the area just southwest Michigan, and I live
with my buddy and his wife before they got married,
and dude, we just had all sorts of weird stuff happened.
And this this town's already got a lot of weird history,
lots of UFO stuff, lots of cult stuff, apparently some
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cryptid stuff that I found out. You know, there's dog
apparently there's dog men and uh sasquatch out there. I
knew there was Sasquatch because it's not too far away
up from the Dewey Lake monster sighting from the sixties,
probably fifteen twenty minutes from there, so I knew this
stuff was out there. Well, we had a lot of
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spiritual stuff happened, well, I should say I had a lot.
And then one night we saw something out in the woods.
It was the middle of the night, me and my buddy.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
He liked to have fires every single night, whether it's
just him out there burning trash or just sitting out
there just smoking a cigar, listening to music, having a beer. Well,
it was like a Friday or Saturday night. I wanted
to stay inside and play some video games with some
of our other buddies. It was like one two o'clock
in the morning, sitting there really into my game, just
(26:44):
locked in, and I just hear pounding on my door
and I I'm not thinking anything of it, and he,
my buddy, rips open the door. He was like, Riley,
cut the damn game off, come outside right now. And
I'm like, dude, why, I was like, you just want
somebody hang out with? No, dude, I think I heard.
I'm just gonna say it's a skin walker. I know
it's probably not, but I'm just gonna say.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
It is, because that's gonna say that's what I think
it is.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Yeah, and just because like he knew if he said
that it would get me up and going. He could
have said any cryptic thing and I would have And
I'm like, hell you mean. And at this point he's
in the room because my room, and there was my
room and then the storage room where we kept all
our guns and stuff like that. And at this point,
because I'm already out, he's loading his guns. He's like,
(27:29):
grab your pistol, and I'm like, what the hell, Like,
what's going on? He's like, all right. So I'm sitting
out there and I hear these coyotes yep in and
he's like, I heard one. They all got silent, and
then I heard one let out this like like it's hurt,
like yep yell. How they are Yeah, We're we're very,
very familiar with coyotes and how they sound in this area. Dude,
(27:50):
there's thousands of them. Yeah, and we so we it
was not gonna be confused with anything else. And then
he said, I heard this noise like super low out
out in the woods. Yeah, and I'm like, dude, what
the hell? So I grab my I grab my pistol,
I got my flashlight, and we're like all right, So
we kicked. We open up the back gate and behind
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the house is a bunch of acres that lead into
like a creek and a swamp and stuff like that.
Behind it a bunch of farm land too. It's pretty old.
It's like a it's surrounded by trees, but then it
opens up. It kind of like a meadow behind it,
like a swampy meadow. So it's two in the morning,
in the middle of the summer, so it's kind of foggy,
so we're kind of just scanning, and all of a sudden,
(28:31):
there's a stump. It's about like four foot. I see
these blue eyes that my light hits and I see
these blue eyes, and my buddy sees it too, but
he sees normal eye shine, but I see blue and
we're just like, what the hell is that? Like, the
mines are too big to be a raccoon, because they're
like spaced like a human's eyes, maybe a little farther out.
And we started looking around making sure there's nothing else,
(28:53):
and then we turn back it's gone. So at this point,
I'm scanning the left, he's scanning to the right, and
I see it stand just like going off to the
side towards there was a neighbor's house, but they're never
there because they're rich foreigners who live in their house
part time. And that's a lot of southwest Michigan. So
they're heading off to that, which in that direction is
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also where the swamps at. And I'm like, dude, what
the hell it's it's going this way, it's going this way.
And it looked like it was it was taller than me.
I'm five ten, I'd say it's probably like six three
sixty four, and it was just going off that way,
and I could still only see the eye, so it's
kind of just looking at us as Yeah, it was
(29:35):
going I'm like, I'm not about to start. I'm not
about to start popping off or anything. No, No, because
I don't I don't know what idiot could It could
in my mind at the time, it could be somebody
out there messing with us, But why would they do that?
You know, there's no point it's the neighbors ain't there.
The floodlights off, so we know they're not there. And
the other neighbors are too far in the wrong direction, right,
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So we're just like, I'm like, what the hell, what's that?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Man?
Speaker 4 (30:00):
He's like, I don't know. I was like, you want
to go after it? And like I said, it just
like that because I didn't want to, but if he
wanted to, we're gonna make it happen. And he said, nah,
let's just go back inside. Yeah, we're good, And dude,
it was. That was pretty scary. And we've had a
lot of other weird stuff happen out there as far
(30:22):
as like he saw a like apparition witch thing one
time when he was out there, like mine speak kind
of to him while he was sleeping out there hunting.
I got a whole episode of it on my show.
It's the Witch of the Woods episode we talk about
everything and that just talking about everything on his property.
(30:43):
It takes about two and a half hours to get
through everything that happened to us out there. Well, he
also heard that night, well that noise that I made,
but then he also heard he said, it almost sounded
like the predator mixed with this character from my old show,
like Perry the Platypus from this old show of some
fer that we used to watch one of your kids,
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but also like a door creaking two more so that
freaked me out. I was like, all right, well so
you heard that, and then you heard the noise that
I recreated. And then a couple of weeks later because
I worked second shift, so I would go to work
like two three in the afternoon, wouldn't get home till
two three in the morning, and uh, I'm walking. We
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had a poll bar to our side. Then it opened
up and then you know, all the woods and everything's
back like ten acres straight back. Well, the only part
of the yard I couldn't see because we had a
bridle floodlight was behind this pole bar in this corner.
So it made this v that was just complete darkness.
And I heard that an I do. I booked it inside,
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like I'm trying to get my key in the door
unlock it, and I'm like, dude, dude, dude, I gotta go,
I gotta go, I gotta go. And I don't know
if it was I don't know if it was this
thing or something similar. Yeah, and we we've been out
there because we spent a lot of time outside there
just having fires.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
And stuff throws off as the blue eye shine.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Yeah, it is regular, though you said he thought it
was regular. He saw regular, but I saw blue. But
I was also he was also looking at it from
the side, but I was looking at it head on.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yeah too, it's weird. I've never heard that.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Yeah, and there's only like five animals that have blue
eye shine. The's cows, goats, adgers, the wolverine, and something else.
But we don't know. None of those things are six
or four standing.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Up right exactly.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
So you know, we sat out there. There was one
night a couple months later, we had some friends over
and it started getting dark and my friend's wife was like, Hey,
what is that light out there? And we're thinking, oh,
it's the flood light from the house because they were
in town but they weren't home. They were out doing something.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah, and this.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Blue dot out on one of the trails. I'm like,
what is that? So I get up look at it
and it's just sitting there in the middle of the trail,
and I'm like, I don't want to go mess with
that no more. So we sit down and then all
of a sudden, these orbs just start appearing right on
the woodline right where our gate is, and we got.
We got pictures of them too, somewhere. I can send
them to you, but they're like orb just like not
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close enough to the eyes, but just yeah, orbs out
there blue, orbs blue and white. Like we we thought
there were lights, eventually we did. After they were gone.
We mustard up the courage to go out there. No
footprints nothing, you know, it wasn't people out there, Yeah,
because it's pretty muddy, so you're gonna see the people
are gonna leave footprints and stuff out there. Nope, nothing.
It was just really really weird. But this whole property
(33:45):
was just weird. I've had stuff like a long time
walking at the end of my bed, stuff grabbing me
in my sleep, my footsteps down the hallway.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
And more like paranormal stuff too.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, there was a lot of paranormal stuff. And it
doesn't surprise me either because the town is really really
close to well. Ben Harbor is one of the points
of the Lake Michigan Truangle. I don't know if you've
heard of that at all. Yeah, yeah, sure, And so
you know, I'm one of those believers just because we
as man make geographical lines and stuff and make an
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endpoint and stuff like that. Doesn't mean the stuff can't
extend out a little bit farther. So this area is
already full of high strangeness. So I'm just like it
is pretty wild.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Is it running water running through it? Yeah? Actually so,
I mean it's just one of those things, like certain
things you look for signs of, like lay lines and
things like that.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
Right, So, oh yeah, the whole area is uh, it's
the Papaul Lake Watershed. So we have the Pawpaul River,
the Saint Joseph River, all this stuff, and at some
point they eventually lead out to the Mississippi River and
all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Man.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
So it's there's a lot of there's a lot of water.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, Saint Joseph's I'm looking I'm looking at the area
for like some I'm on the big Foot Mapping Project website,
and there's like all around it. There's different sidings, you know,
obviously like out of Dewey Lake, Maple Island, that whole area.
Oh yeah, you've got a couple sightings out there and reports,
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and then you've got some up. You've got a footprint
another siding up where is by Riverside, which is just
north of there.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Yeah, so riversidees like the town I grew up in, Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, so like there's there's yeah, right on the Popa
River there's a couple of sidings. Yeah. And then it's
and then south of there too, you've got right right
on like right in stevens Stevensville, there's a siding or
a vocalization.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
And that's where we get close to that state park.
If you're looking at the mac you'll see at the
warned in State Park.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, I see it right there.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Just south of that is where my wife has her dog,
man a counter aund the highway.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
And you've got Grand Mirror Lakes, the Grand Mere State
Park as well, yep. Man. And then there's one other
one that's a little farther south, but it's over in
it's by another lake because there's a ton of lakes there,
Wagner Lake. Yep. So yeah, man, there's a lot in
the area environment you know, as it as it seems
(36:25):
and you're like, what, like it doesn't seem like there
should be that much activity, but there is. There's a
decent amount. I mean obviously you get farther north, like
because as Michigan goes, you know, there's so much activity
up up north like insane.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
The National Forest. That's dude, that's a dog man hot spot.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Like up in Bend It Bendon, there's a there's a
whole hot spot up there, which is by what Lake
Green Lake. It's called duck Lake Green Lake, interlocking that
whole area, there's a hot spot there. This is what's
so cool. I don't know if you've ever gotten on
this map. It just gives you the hot spots, you know,
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and it's super cool.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
It's I used to be the dude that would go
to the bfroro's website and stuff like that. But now,
like the Bigfoot Mapping Project, Man, they just this is
way better. I feel like.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
I mean they get a lot of their stuff from
the BFRO, but.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Yeah, but I feel like a lot more people are
also open to like put stuff on the big Foot
Mapping Project where they don't have to have like a
whole interview because like, we just have that major siding
in Monroe County over by south of Detroit. Yep, yep,
that class a. Actually Matt Moneymaker got involved with that one.
It was so good.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, and I know.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
That area because uh, I used to fish tournaments out
of there out of Monroe over on the Sterling River
and the Red River. Yep, I fished over by Plumb
River work.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
The whole area is a hot spot in itself. Oh yeah,
right around Monroe, well, especially north of there and what
what I think they call Stoney Creek. It's like, dude,
there's so many sightings there. Oh yeah, see there they
are going all the way back to like the sixties,
so and some of the Yeah, it's nuts. I've been
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starting to ask. I'm starting to ask all my folks
that are especially Christian folks, what do you think we're
dealing with? Here? I again loaded loaded question, and you
know you don't have obviously. The bottom line is I
think we don't know. We don't know anything. We don't
know anything about anything. Like we are so outside of
(38:33):
our element with this type of stuff that I don't
think we have a clue. Right, I think maybe we
have a clue. I mean we have our own experiences, right,
and those of people that we trust. What do you
think we're dealing with? Like, what's your opinion? Because that's
all it is, it's an opinion.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
It's opinions. Yes, So I would say, well, I guess
that's her preface by this. Growing up, I was always
flesh and blood, But the last couple of years just
here like hearing all these stories over the last dang
almost a decade. Now there's some aspect to them that
aren't natural and supernatural, and I know, and I know
there's this whole thing of them being nephil I don't
(39:15):
I don't think that they're necessary. I don't think they're
straight flo. I think they're some of them. I think
some of them could still be just like flesh and
blood but ape. But then there's this whole other thing
that is like just dirty muddy water down.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Like like an eliud right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Just like it's got some of the genetics and stuff,
but most of it is natural. But they have access
to these supernatural boots in the same in the same
similar sense as us. You know, we have the gifts
of the spirit.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Right, Like there are plenty of humans that are able
to tap into this stuff.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Yes, so like they could do something, Belcas, let's take
it back. The whole thing that the enemy can. They
cannot create. They can only mimic and copy what what
God has done. So God made us spiritual beings, an
im mortal vessel we are of God and we are
children of God, so we got it gives us the
ability to do through him and his spirit, to do
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things that he can, the miracles, the healing, the prophecy,
all this, all this kind of stuff that it talks
about in the scriptures. Well, if the enemy copied, you know,
their descendants would also have abilities like spiritual abilities.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
So after I guess this is a little teaser for
the documentary Operation Smoke that will be out sometime. My
experience changed my perspective on all that, and you can
hear that in the trailer, and I think the little
debrief trailer, I don't think he put a lot of
my talking in the defense.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Other than you're like, man, you don't know woods. Yeah,
so it is true. It's so true, so true, you
don't know woods until you're in some woods like that.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
A lot of the stuff that I had happened to me. Man,
throws a lot of it, Like, I don't I don't
expect everybody to believe that's fine, you know, I know
exactly and I I don't even like me, I'm who
experienced it. I'm not even one hundred percent sure what happened.
I'm not going to say I saw something. I mean,
I did, but I don't know what it is that
(41:14):
I seen. Y'all will have to wait for the documentary
for that. But it's I had some really really unexplainable
and terrifying stuff happened to me.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yeah, like I.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Could say one thing for sure. I definitely got blasted
by some something zap.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Right, that's that what people are calling it zapped or blasted.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Yeah, something like that. Like my energy was drained and
there was a primal fear and I thought I was
going to die.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yeah, man, and that you know.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
You guys will get to see a lot of that
on the documentary. And then after that comes out when
I have free ran to talk about everything, like there's
there's a lot more to it that I've just come
in the last moment.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yeah, like right right.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
And I also don't want people thinking like I'm playing
this up for the fame and the No oh no,
I don't care, man, I'm just not going to happen, right, Like,
I just want you know, I enjoy this kind of stuff,
And yeah, I'd still be excited about everything even if
nothing did happen to me.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
I mean, bottom line is, and this is one of
the things that I and this is one of the
seeds that I like to plant, is that this is fellowship, man,
Like this is like at the at the end of it,
that's what it is for me, and I know with
a lot of other folks that I've come in contact with.
The it's the people I like to converse with and
hang out with, you know, whether it's virtually or in person,
(42:38):
it's for fellowship. You know, like minded folks. I mean,
if I don't get along with you, I'm not gonna
hang out with you.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Right exactly, like that to me, Like everything that happened,
like I said, if that didn't happen, this this trip
still would have been awesome, man, because I missed great
new friends. Man. We got we talked so much scripture,
you know, we we all shared our testimonies and stuff,
had good food, just hung out and like it was
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the brotherhood, the fellowship.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
And that's the best thing we've all talked about. That's
been our favorite thing about the whole thing. That's why
we're all going hold to do it again, because like
I've made some really really good friends that I'm only
going to see you doing this kind of stuff and
I only met doing this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah, so you guys are just messing around in an
area where you know, guys like Scott Carpenter spent a
lot of time and you know, not just him, but
a lot of folks that have been doing this a
long time. And I've really been digging, digging, digging deep
in as deep as I can into the DNA of
this whole thing, right like the Sasquatch genome project and
(43:44):
that stuff like that, Scott Carpenter with Melbourne Ketchum, you
know what I'm talking about. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (43:50):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
People can say what they want, and I understand, But
at the end of the day, if the science, the
real science were you know, if they would actually just
look at the like, give this a real good look,
I don't see how they could not at least admit
that there's something going on, right and not just dismiss
it out of hand. And oh well, So the biggest
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argument that I hear about it is like, well, she
published it in her own journal that she created just
for that well, because nobody else would peer review it
or look at it. So what are you supposed to
do then? So, if that's the measure of science, then
that's science. I don't want a part of right, so
I don't give it much credence at that point. Plus
I'm not going to get myself banned on YouTube. But
(44:34):
let's look at where the science has taken this in
the past few years about all kinds of stuff, right,
So I don't I don't look at the science as
much as I used to. I don't give it the
credibility that it used to have because if you're not
going to give all of it, the whole body of evidence,
credibility or possibly libility, I can't even I can't take
(44:58):
you seriously. That's I look at it. I mean, I
can still be your friend and I can whatever, but
I just can't. I can't take it seriously at that
point because you're not open.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Exactly well that I think that also plays a part
into why what you and I and countless others do
is so important, like getting people's experiences, getting them to
talk about it, because honestly, I feel just you can
look all throughout history, what's been more effective. You know
it's in your books or firsthand like people's stories encounters.
Because I'll tell you what it goes back to the
(45:31):
Mountain eighte like the mountain girls and stuff. They didn't
think those were real. They thought that was crypto zoology
for years and years. Right, they start talking to the
locals and they're like, oh, yeah, you know, these things
are real. We experience these things all the time. And
then they took them seriously once. I was like, oh, yeah,
they live in this part of the jungle. Guess what
they went there? Boom there they were. I think if
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the science and this is also coming from a dude
who was majored in environmental science in college as well,
and a lot of biology, did a lot of biology. Man,
you listen to the people that have seen these things,
You're gonna get more than just trying to get these
hypotheses hypotheses out of books and stuff like that. You know,
you got it. Boots on ground is the most effective
(46:13):
form of especially when it comes like to biology and
stuff like that, Boots on ground is the most effective. Now,
if you're doing like chemistry and stuff like that, that's
a little different, but yeah, right, but in topics like these,
you're not gonna just get things from the books half
that you have to go out there. And I can't
stress that enough. And that's why. I also encourage people
(46:34):
out to go out and research places.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Yeah, but do it safely, man, Oh yeah, because yeah,
you can go sideways. Really, I mean, like missing, for one,
one is a real thing, like very what is that about?
I don't know for sure, but wow, it's creepy. Right,
people go missing all the time and I don't know
why or when we can because crazy stuff happens out there.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Yes it does. And do you mind if I give
like a couple of words of advice to people? Oh?
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Absolutely about this? Like, well that's that's kind of where
we're headed at this point. Is I like to I
like to kind of wrap things up with you planting
seeds for people, like talking about things that you know,
make people think, goes right into that.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
Well. First off, guys, I highly suggest if you're going
out into like an ancient place, like you know there's
some history of some negative stuff, or you're just going
into a place like you're unfamiliar with. Above all else
that I'm about to say, stay prayed up like prayers
to protection, prayers of discerned that yes, eclip the whole
(47:42):
armor of God and know your word, because I'll tell
you what that can get you out of a lot
more situations than you think they get. The god I worship,
the God of Jacob and Jesus Christ can do all things.
The second thing is if you're going out into the
woods and like you camping, don't go by yourself and
don't go on if you're gonna be like camping around
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like near a trail and stuff like that, about two
other people. So the group of three is good if
you're going out into like deep wilderness, no people whatsoever,
pretty far from civilization like we were, and ten people
armed is starting to be a safe number. Wild stuff happens,
you gotta be, you gotta be. You gotta be safe
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because like you said, one one is a real thing.
People go missing all the time, and sometimes people just
get lost.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
That's not sure.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Not everything has got to be cryptis not everything's gotta
be paranormal and stuff like that. Like the honestly, I'd
say seventy five percent of the missing people and stuff
like that, it's just people going missing, getting lost, because
it's really really easy to get lost in areas that
you're unfamiliar with. Yeah, that's why I was so intimidated.
Go another I don't I didn't know the area. I
refuse to go out walking in pitch darkness on somewhere
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I've never stepped foot The second day, I want out
because during the day I had done a ton of hiking,
like I was familiar with the area enough to where
I knew how to get back, like left markers and
stuff like that. Right, But yeah, don't don't go out
big chested. Don't think you're a dude that knows how
to rock the Midwest and can survive anywhere in the
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Midwest Like I used to live up in the up
in the middle of winter. I know the Midwest. I
can handle this and stuff. And then thinking I can
take that all to somewhere like mountains and swamps. Guess what,
You're gonna get humbled real quick and some bad stuff's
gonna happen to you if you walk around with that mentality.
I guess it all comes down to humility, man, Like,
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don't get too big for your bridges. Uh creed, Yeah,
that's take that. Take that to hard guys. Engrave that
in your head. You know it'll save you someday for sure.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Well, man, tell us where people can find you.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
All right, I got you, so you can find me
anywhere you can listen to podcasts at Midwest Mythos and
then you can find me on YouTube, which my YouTube
I've been putting a ton of work into and I
got some my bonus contact coming out on there at
Midwest Mytholds Podcast on YouTube. There you're gonna get the
video format of all my episodes. You're also gonna get
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some mini documentaries and stuff coming out. I've been doing
a lot of hiking and stuff lately. I actually just
went to Indiana Dunes National Park a couple of days
a couple of days ago, did some videos about twenty
minutes fifteen to twenty minutes of video just walk in
the nature trail. There's no cryptid, nothing kind of stuff
like that. It's just me spending time in nature and
trying to get people encouraged to go out in nature
(50:37):
and all this stuff too. You can find in my
link tree at ee slash Midwest Mytholds Podcast. There you
got links to everything. And I got this really cool
thing right at the top of the page. It's called
the Report and Encounter. So if you or anybody you
know has had an encounter or like you're a research
or anything, it doesn't have to be an encounter and
you just want to talk to me, you can do that.
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Go straight to my email. I'll get back to you asap,
or the best place to get a hold of me,
like you did is my Instagram. I think less mythos.
I'll get back to you pretty quick. I will say,
I used to do it instantly, but now I've become
people actually know me now, so it's kind of been
getting a little bit more cool. Yeah, a little bit
(51:19):
more active than I was anticipating. I never expected it
to get to this point, but I try to get
back to people pretty quick, you know, within a day.
And if I if I start the conversation with you,
I'm gonna keep it going. And I'm not gonna it's
not gonna be a week between each messages with y'all,
because I enjoy talking to people. Man Like, if you're
gonna take the time to try to talk to me,
I'm gonna do my best to take the time to
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try to talk to you about.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Sure, I agreed, but yeah, that's.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
Everywhere you can find me.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
All right, man, that's awesome. I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
Thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
This was a blessed Yeah, we'll do it again before
you know it.
Speaker 4 (51:53):
Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
Man.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
You'll have to come on mind too, man.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
We yeah, whenever you whenever you want. All right, man,
just let me know.
Speaker 7 (52:00):
I got bad thoughts that make my mind scared. Hold
me hostage and they don't fight fair? Who gonna pray
for me? And white on my tests? Who's gonna save me?
Speaker 2 (52:09):
If you're not right here? Move this darkness and make
my sight clear.
Speaker 7 (52:13):
Take me your way, because I don't like your gost
to my past day feeling the night are wake me up.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
I'm trapped in my Nightmass, you trapped in my.
Speaker 5 (52:29):
Nightmas, trowning, trowning, I mouth the deepen apparition some.
Speaker 7 (52:43):
All my demons, all my thoughts, I come, making treason
all alone.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
I'm gonna hear me screaming matter if I stay.
Speaker 7 (52:51):
Shits on my fists, regrets that stretched out for light years,
you can almost touch the light.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Holdie, it's right there, body free, but trapped in my Nightmas.
I don't let me jack.
Speaker 5 (53:02):
I don't life of fade, and now all my life
is faith, all my life is face, and then.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
I was fake.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
I don't let mister. All my life is fading. All
my life is fame enough? Like man, you check in
my life.
Speaker 4 (53:28):
Neessa A.
Year, Dear Joe, straight from the broadcast studio and then
the static this ain't no bet sound story. So as
prophetic encrypt the signals from the shadows of the garden
we did where the trop got secret snow parted microphone
alchemist scriptures with a twist peak the frequency seeds in
the midst we drop fas like plagues revelations in the catus,
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broadcasting truth while they trapped in surveillans wrisdom with a
watchman's blade forth what style, while your whole system faid
blood moves that for love echoes in the pine sasquart
stop it through the fault lines of time. We ain't mainstream,
We ain't just streams safer with the prophets to code
the dreams. So with you tune in better guards. Your
mind is broadcasting seeds and were breaking the design of
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the sign.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeh yeh jee jep.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Straight from the broadcast studio and in the static ecstatic.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Static studie studios.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
From the broadcast studio, Yeah it's yet. Straight from the
broadcast studio.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
We're live. Hey, Riley, tell us who you are and
what you do.
Speaker 4 (01:17):
So I am Riley Wants. I'm the host of Midwest
Mythos and man, I talk about the cryptids, that ancient history.
I like talking about the aliens, conspiracies, and most of all,
I love talking about Jesus and the Bible. And you
get a mixture of all that kind of stuff on
Midwest Mythos and Yeah. Man, it's just it's I like
talking about the weird stuff nobody talks about. I finally
(01:38):
got the outlet to do it because you know, growing up,
I had maybe like two friends I talked about this stuff.
Then I heard about podcasts and I was like, man,
let me do it. I am a year in last week,
two weeks ago. This is awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Who's your favorite guest so far? Now that's a loaded question.
I'm just saying, but you know, we all kind of
have shows that we know are good.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, honestly, I would have to and this is nothing
that any of the guests I had on because I.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I love every guess I understand that too.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Honestly, it would have to be as far as like
blowing my mind, just like in just the flow of
the conversation. It has to be Amber from Cold Life Escaped.
I actually just had her episode just came out this
past week. And I'm sitting there and you know, when
I'm talking to people, I always get I'm involved in
the conversation. Yeah, focused and pay in. But me and her,
it only felt like we were recording for like twenty minutes,
(02:29):
thirty minutes. We're there for two and a half hours almost. Yeah,
that's a good one, getting into it talking about satanic colts,
the signs of everything and how to get into them.
And I'm just like, man, this is all everything that
I've always been into researching. Yeah, it all came just
into this one. And I was like, man, this is
I've told her like ten times this last week. This
(02:51):
is probably the funnest interview I've ever done.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
That's awesome. What is Amber from the Cult?
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Life Escaped? Dude? I'll send you, ah, I'll send you
your info after. She's a wonderful woman to talk to
and take a lot of notes. So you're all good?
Speaker 3 (03:08):
So do I so so talk to us about what
got you into this whole thing, Like, you know, did
you have an experience when you were younger? All that
type of stuff. You know, there's everyone's got a gateway,
so what what is yours? All?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
Right? So it's funny because I actually this is like
the whole intro to my podcast. It's me playing guitar,
and I'm just like, ever since I was a young boy,
been fascinated of stories of the unknown places yet to
be discovered, while people trying to find their wildest riches,
all that kind of stuff, experiences creatures. So it's kind
of funny because when I was a child, I was
afraid of everything. Everything scared me. I was definitely terrified
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of aliens, ghosts, everything. My parents were surprised. I even
watched Scooby Doo right, and they were kind of just
they were kind of disappointed to me because there I
come from a family like horror is everything. Like they
you name a horror movie from the seventies to present, Yep,
they've seen it and wow. So I just kind of
(04:06):
shied away from all this kind of stuff. And then
in about two thousand, was it two thousand and six
or two thousand and seven, Monster Quest started coming out,
and I just remember watching it one day and it
was the second episode and it was about Bigfoot in
the Pacific Northwest, and I was like, oh, this is
really really cool. So I kind of just like it
(04:28):
kind of just ingrained itself in my little kid mind,
and I never forgot about it. So when i'd go
to the library and stuff at school, I'd look I'd
be like, hey, this is whatever, Master, can you help
me find a book on Bigfoot? And she would helped
me find all these books on Bigfoot, and then I
read those look at the pictures, and then some of
(04:50):
these books, for being in a kid's library, got into
some pretty deep stuff like connections to UFOs and stuff
like that. And like I said earlier, I was terrified
at aliens, so like I kind of got scared for
a minute, but I tried to stick with the big
Harry Man did a bunch of research on research when
I was a kid. Then Ancient Aliens came out, and
my dad was obsessed with that show because he did
(05:13):
when he was alive. If you walked into my parents' house,
he had the Sci Fi channel lot and was watching
those crappy be movies and stuff like that. R his
three favorite movies of all time, Armageddon, which is not
a B movie, not the worst movie, Dependence Day, and
then Firing the Skies, and so we would just he
(05:35):
was all about aliens and stuff, and he was open
to talk about them with me, and so we'd get
home from school watch Ancient Aliens and I was just like,
Ahian Aliens was slippery slope. It helped me get over
my fear of aliens at like eleven or twelve. And
then at that point my best friend Caleb, he was
also into the stuff, so me and him would bounce
ideas off of each other, talk about it, do research.
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We attempted to read Chariot of the Gods at twelve,
and that book is a pretty.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Dense you know, it's pretty bad. It's a more advanced book. Yeah,
so we're.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
Just like, as screw this, We're not gonna read this.
And then as we got older, like seniors in high school,
we started to And at this point I came across
Sasquatch Chronicles and The Confessionals right when he first started
that podcast yep, so like late twenty seventeen, early twenty eighteen,
and I was like, wait, there's a whole world of
(06:27):
people talking about this. Nobody besides my buddy will talk
about this stuff with me. So over the years, I
just like, all right, I'm gonna start a podcast. I'm
gonna start a podcast. Never did. Then I met Shane
Jones from Inquiers of Our Reality.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Who we were just talking about good Dad.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
We met at Eric from Uncomfortable Podcasts his event in
Michigan Bigfoot and Bruise. Shane and I hooked it off,
and I talked to Eric too, and both of them
were like, oh, you should start a podcast. A couple
of years went by and boom, here it was. But
I've always I guess it's a long winded story, but
now it's always been a I mean, I've had plenty
(07:01):
of experiences too. I've living right on Lake Michigan.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
UFOs are not a surprise me and countless other people
I've lived with, by friends, all that we've all, we've
all seen UFOs. It's a couple of them we know
for sure. Others could just be other things. We know
they're not planes because there's so much airplane traffic in
the area. We're very, very familiar all the airports in Chicago.
We got all the airports from Wisconsin, Michigan, Detroit, you know,
(07:29):
Betton Harber's Airport. I've been, so we know what planes
look like because we see about two hundred of them
a day. Yeah, it was just stuff like that and
I'm like, man, I'm gonna start talking about it on
the podcast. So yeah, that's how That's how I got here, man.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Yeah. So when so let's transition into like cryptids a
little bit. Yeah, and we'll just get into this whole
camping trip that you guys went on, you and Doc
and who actually put that together.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
So that was a that was a combined effort of
horror owns from Big four reports and data and then
uh Drew Ski from Crypti Warfare.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah and c w ops.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
He they they got together. I got a text. I
interviewed Drew Sky like last late last summer.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Me and him hit it off right away, and he's like, bro,
you got to come out with me and my team sometime.
And I was like, I you know, you guys are Yeah.
So he's like, oh, well, I'm in the works. I'm
talking to this one guy. And this is before really
before Harley even like blew up.
Speaker 5 (08:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
So they they had been talking for quite a while
and next thing, you know, me and Harley get to
know each other and I get an invite from both
of them at the same time. That's awesome, Hey you
want to come you want to come down to an
undisclosed location down to Tennessee and you know, go camping,
look for bigfoot and dog man.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I think the whole swath of eastern Tennessee is undisclosed. Seriously,
it really is. It's crazy. Yeah. I've been down there
a few times, not not really for this type stuff,
but when I was down there, I always just got
And I've also spent a lot of time across the
border in North Carolina in the Smokies, and dude, it's
(09:10):
just got a different energy there, man, And.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
It really does. And we can get into that, man.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Yeah, for sure, absolutely, I want to. I want to
hear about it because the next time, if I don't
get invited, I'm gonna torch some stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
You know. That's a very uh that's a very common
statement that I've been hearing late. There's been a lot
of people, and some of the people had invites in
there just like, no, I don't want to come.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
You know, I would be there in a heartbeat. That's
just you know, but you know, not everyone's able to
to do it. You get it. Yeah, so you no,
I'm just I'm just messing around, but not messing around.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Yeah, I know, I know exactly what you mean Drew Ski.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
When you listen to this, don't do it man, Oh
your boy, do it man.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
But yeah, so we've had you know, some people obviously,
life happens, they weren't able to come out. That's understandable,
you know. And then others, like I said, just were like,
I don't I'm feeling I don't think nothing's gonna happen,
to be honest, I was kind of skeptical going out
anyway too, because I was like, you know, I've done
my fair share of squashing up in the Midwest, Michigan mostly,
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but you know, coming from you know, the Midwest, man,
it's flat, it's corn. We got forest, but we got
some dense forests too, but it's still flat. You know.
You can get hills here and there and a lot
of tree growth, but you can still see, like even
with heavy brush, you can still see quite a bit
in front of.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
You, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
And at night, you know, moonlight still comes through the
trees a little bit. But when I was driving down there,
especially once I got into like southern Kentucky, once I
really got into the Appalation Trail and the smoky.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
It's different, animal, bro, dude.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
It it kind of hit me because I mean I've
been down there for like vacation and stuff, but that
was just, Oh, We're going to like Seerville, Pigeon forde
geat Lebert, you know, do all the touristy stuff, just
like me and my friends for like a long weekend.
So I, you know, I drive through the mountains like, oh,
these are pretty. You know, this is cool, it's breathtaking.
But going down there with the mindset of what I
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was going.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
To be doing, like I'm getting into it.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yeah. So Harley's transmission blew out on his truck, so
I'm on my way down. I've already been driving for
like nine and a half hours at this point. He
texted me. He's like, hey, boy, can you come pick
me up? Yeah, I got you. It's not too far
out the way. So I pick him up and we're
sitting there talking. He's showing me some pictures that he's
never showed anybody. He's like, he's getting me hyped and stuff.
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We're heading the doc's house to stay the night and
have a little sleepover, and we're just getting and we
go through the mountains and I'm like sitting there, I'm like, man,
I am not gonna lie. I'm kinda kind of scared
right now. This is intimidating. Like, right, it's really really
different than the Midwest.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It's just a different type of dark.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
It really is. It really it is, and that's going
to play a factor here in a little bit. So,
you know, we have our little sleepover at Dock's house,
have fun, shoot the dice about podcasting, and just just
hang out, you know, because it's our first time meeting
each other in person after talking on the phone for
eight months. Yeah, so we finally get down, all right,
(12:26):
We're going to our spot that we're gonna be at
for the week. And then we get to the spot,
Harley's with me, and I'm like, bro, I don't feel good.
Like I'm feeling really really uneasy about this, Like I
get I'm getting humbled really really quick, and just something
feels off, and part of me is like thinking logic.
I try to think logically a lot of the time. Yeah,
(12:48):
I'm like, all right, well, I heard all these stories,
I've seen all these pictures and stuff from the area
I've heard over the last eight years, heard all these
stories from this general vicinity just from Tennessee, North Carolina, Kentucky,
Southern Kentucky on all these podcasts, all these encounters with
these creatures, and I'm like, you know, I've had my
own encounters with creatures and stuff up in Michigan, but
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it's this is just different. Like I don't know this place,
I don't know this type of train. Like if something
were to happen, I don't know how long I'd be
able to survive by myself. So I'm just like wigging out.
But I'm just like, all right, it's all this nothing's
actually like out here right now. You know, we're just
driving to this super secluded place, and I think that
that was like the beginning of it. So we finally
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get there, everybody starts pulling in. We're like, all right,
let's set up base camp, and you know, we're having fun.
We're showing on stuff and Drew Ski he's like, hey, Riley,
you know you're kind of in charge of like our
spiritual protection for the weekend and stuff like that. Because
we had talked about. I brought down my guitar. I
was gonna play some worship music and stuff. Yeah, I'm
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my wife and I are the worship leaders at are
Church here in Indiana, so it's like, all right, man,
you know we all most of us love g this
and pretty involved. So you know, let's just hang out.
We're gonna be by fire anyway, play some guitar, let's
do some worship. We can do some country and stuff
like that. Just have a good old time. So what
Drewsky does is he hands me a bottle of anointing oil,
and he's like, do what you gotta do.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
This isn't a ditty party jerky.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
So he's setting up anyway through the up the value. Man,
he slammed out. But yeah, man, so I take the
oil and around the perimeter of our camp and just
marking trees.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, because I would be doing this thing.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Making little crosses with the oil.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I was just upstairs. I don't have it down here
right now. But anyway, keep coming.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
It's good. It's good practice anywhere you go, especially in
your own home.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Yeah, you gotta claim it. It's so I'm like, all right,
well I'm sitting I'm praying. You know, God, Lord Jesus,
this is this is all creation is yours. I am
claiming this vicinity that we are in His camps. Yes,
as it is yours. No principalities, no creatures, no hexes, witchcraft.
Anything that is in these old ancient mountains is allowed
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in here. It is your domain. Do as you will
and what you must just protect us all. So that
is we have come to determine. Was me throwing the
match on the gasoline.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
But I've heard the same type of thing, but I don't.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
I don't care. Man, Like everybody's in hindsight looking back
at everybody's like, Man, Riley, you really did piss something off,
And I said, I don't care. I was like, this
is the authority that Christ has given us yes to do,
so I do all that. We're all good now. We're
just chilling till it's uh night time. So we're just
getting to know each other because for most of us,
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the only person that I knew, like actually knew knew
before going down there was Kevin from where the Weird
Ones are, because me and him had met up at
a small town monster fest in Ohio the previous year,
so we had already hung out, you know, we chair
some beers together. We knew each other. So we're just
meeting everybody else. And because most of us have talked
to each other on each other's podcast, and but you
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know in person it's different. So we're just right tapping
up hugs, you know, cooking some food, sitting by, trying
to get a fire set up for the night, get
all the gear ready to go. H Drew was setting
up alarms all over the place.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
I get it, man, I do the same, and that's
the same thing.
Speaker 4 (16:26):
Those were more for bear than anything. Like, Yeah, we
knew there was cryptids and stuff out there, but you know.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
There's trail cams for the cryptids. Yeah. Actually, but anyway,
I could see that.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
I'm gonna have to try that when I'm I'm doing
something up.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
Here, and I've got a few trail cams that I
set up so I can sleep soundly.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Yeah, I can see the reasoning behind that. Yeah, man,
so Drew, I don't know. I think people like Drew.
These alarms were the funniest thing ever, and they were
very very effective trip lines, all the all the cool stuff.
So all right, we're sitting here, we're relaxing stuff. Well,
finally starts to get dark. We get a game plan going.
Some people went hiking throughout the day. I was still
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very tired, so I was like, I'm just gonna I'm
just gonna rest.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Well.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Comes nighttime, they're like, all right, we're going out. We're
sending one team in one direction and one in the other.
And I decided to stay at bass camp with two
other guys and I was like, oh, I'll play some guitar,
maybe draw draw them in, you know, because that's been
that's been proven they like music. So I grew to
grab my guitar and one of the guys everybody's already
(17:35):
left at this point. One of the guys is like,
don't you dare play that guitar? And I was like,
why don't we want to draw them in? He's like,
not to bass camp. Not to bass camp. And I
was like yeah. He's like, Riley, I've been doing this
for way longer than you've been alive. That's not a
smart move. And I'm like, all right, man, I get it.
I'm gonna listen to you. Because at this point it's
so dark I can't even see and we're at bass camp.
(17:56):
We have a fire and I still can't see my
hand in front of my face. Yeah, right, of like
the little red head lamps and that's all we got. Well,
the first thing that happens is we set up a
cam light, which to people that don't know what that is,
it's like a fancy glows It's a really big glow
stick at the end of the road. And my job,
besides helping run communications between the parties and stuff, is
(18:20):
to watch this close stick. But you don't want to
stare at it, because then your mind will start playing
illusions and stuff on you.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
For sure.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Well, me and Senior are just like, wait a second,
is that thing moving? And then all of a sudden
there's like a shadow in front of it. I'm like, what,
something's messing with this? So we're you know, calling out
to everybody we might have some we got some weird
stuff going on at base camp, and so we call
it in. I was like, all right, we'll keep an eye.
And this keeps something happening for like the next hour.
Something's like messing with this thing. Then all of a sudden,
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we hear some wrestling to the behind us, like off
in the woods. Nobody went out in that direction and
it sounds big. Was that, you know, freaking not like
freaking out, but you know, we're getting alert, like what
was that? And of course that is the one spot
that I did not take the oil out to right
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because I was like, it's like, ain't nobody gonna be
out there, I'm just gonna cut it short. So they
got pretty close. So we're already on this and then
all of a sudden we start hearing owls. We just
hit them so and they're like, oh, we're hearing hours.
(19:32):
And then all of a sudden, like at this point,
I whip out my phone and I'm like, all right,
I'm if you guys hearing that. Called one of the
teams and they're like, yo, we're getting this weird like
owl noise, but it doesn't quite sound like an owl.
I'm like, yeah, you know, that's a I got it
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on video. Of course on the video, all you can
hear is I got to put it through a program
and like ripped the audio.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Out just to clean it up because you could.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
Faintly hear it in the background, but other than that
you just hear us walking and stuff. But dude, it
was it was wild. It was like that was not
a The first one may have been an hour, but
the second one it was not because it sounded close,
but it was just basier almost, And then you get
that samurai chatter yep. After I'm just like because that
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was that was like on a ridge line maybe one
hundred yards from base camp and one team it was
basically in the center of the triangle between the two
teams in base camp. Yeah, I was that that kind
of got me going. I was like, man, I don't
know about this here, I don't know about this. And
(20:48):
that was really a lot of what happened the first night.
Like we talked about before, like there's always so much
I can talk about this because we've got a documentary
coming out, But the first night, there's no footage. Besides
some of this, you.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Were kicking it off right off the bat. You had
activity the first night.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, I didn't. Supposedly some people may saw some stuff
even when we were driving in just like some weird
night just shadows and stuff. Well, the next morning the
first thing, because I I was supposed to sleep in
a hammock all weekend. But after that, I was like,
I'm sleeping in my car and.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I get it, man, I get it.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
And I lucked out. And I think a few of
us lucked out because I wasn't. My only when thinking that,
it was like mind soon raining, So I'm just like, oh, man,
I didn't put my tarp up right, because I did
put it up right, but there was so much rain.
My hand is still right. Yeah, it still got wet
a little bit, like I could have slept in it,
but it was a good excuse to sleep in my car.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
In the car. Yeah, and so on.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Just the next morning, we wake up and we go
out to where that camp light was and there's a
slide next to it, like where something stepped. Yeah, and
it slid and I can't remember remember if Doc, if
you end up listening to this and you hear there,
you know, if this is something that i'm it's I'm sorry,
but it was before you got here in the morning,
so I think it's a pretty fair game. But it's yeah,
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there was like a slide. It was a big slide
like something, because like I said, it was really wet
right where it would have crossed over and blacked out
the light was where it would have had to step.
And there was a trail going from one creek. Well
it went up on a ridge, but there was a
creek behind it, and then there's another ridge to my
left and there's a creek down below right, So there
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was just you know, game trail but possible footprints, just
like the way the foliage and everything was it would
you know it wasn't Yeah, we wouldn't be able to
get nice, like clean tracks. Now we did. There was
other places in the location where we were able to
see some really cool tracks, and you can see those
on Harley's page. Actually some of the tracks we didn't
(22:57):
even take pictures of. Honestly, at that point, there was
so many tracks that it was like, all right, do
we want to take a picture of this or do
we want to keep on moving? And we chose to
keep on moving because there's just so much stuff happening.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Yeah, for sure. I always tell people there's a really
cool app called scanner Verse, and I don't know, you know,
some people have it, some people don't. I've found it
very effective because you can manipulate the picture after meaning
you can you know, look at all angles of it.
So if you don't have that on your phone, you
should get it.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
I'm gonna check it out.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Yeah, scan it. It's free. Oh even better, it's a
free app, so you can take you take like e
motion kind of like picture of all angles of the
of the print, and then you can spin it and
look at it. It's wild, and I've got a couple
like bigfoot tracks and then some really big kne hunt tracks,
(23:53):
which come on, Man, I don't try to mess around
with dog man. Oh man, just saying for some reason,
I you know, it just doesn't sasquatch. Bigfoot doesn't do
that give me the same willies. Yeah, not that it wouldn't.
I mean, and I've had pretty close encounters. But for
some reason, dog man, I don't know. Man, something about
(24:14):
it gets me. And maybe it's because I got bit
by a dog when I was a kid, and I've
got this caneine issue. I don't have a canine issue,
but maybe I do, but only with a dog man.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I get that. Man. You know, I've had my fair
share of like close with the squatch. Yeah, but yeah,
the dog man. Well, my wife's actually seen one not
too far away from our house while driving down the highway.
It's right by a state park that I like to
go out to all the time. Yeah, dude, Like she
the way she described it, she's not even into the stuff,
Like she had no interest in it until we got married,
(24:46):
and she's kind of just like sucked into it. But
she described it as terrifying I was like, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah, man, yeah, I mean I know that people also
have the you know, they have like dog man encounters,
but I'm also like the type I guess that you
would call a type three sasquatch, which is a more
like babboon. Yeah, like sasquatch. So it's got like a muzzle,
like a babboone. Yeah, more like that. Would you call it?
(25:14):
There's a name, the Gugway maybe, Yeah, that's that sounds
something like that. But anyway, that's splitting hairs at this point.
But uh so, so you say you've had encounters, what
what other encounters stick out in your mind that you've had?
Speaker 4 (25:29):
So this I live at this property up in Betton Harbor, Michigan.
Go around the area just southwest Michigan, and I live
with my buddy and his wife before they got married,
and dude, we just had all sorts of weird stuff happened.
And this this town's already got a lot of weird history,
lots of UFO stuff, lots of cult stuff, apparently some
(25:50):
cryptid stuff that I found out. You know, there's dog
apparently there's dog men and uh sasquatch out there. I
knew there was Sasquatch because it's not too far away
up from the Dewey Lake monster sighting from the sixties,
probably fifteen twenty minutes from there, so I knew this
stuff was out there. Well, we had a lot of
(26:11):
spiritual stuff happened, well, I should say I had a lot.
And then one night we saw something out in the woods.
It was the middle of the night, me and my buddy.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
He liked to have fires every single night, whether it's
just him out there burning trash or just sitting out
there just smoking a cigar, listening to music, having a beer. Well,
it was like a Friday or Saturday night. I wanted
to stay inside and play some video games with some
of our other buddies. It was like one two o'clock
in the morning, sitting there really into my game, just
(26:44):
locked in, and I just hear pounding on my door
and I I'm not thinking anything of it, and he,
my buddy, rips open the door. He was like, Riley,
cut the damn game off, come outside right now. And
I'm like, dude, why, I was like, you just want
somebody hang out with? No, dude, I think I heard.
I'm just gonna say it's a skin walker. I know
it's probably not, but I'm just gonna say.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
It is, because that's gonna say that's what I think
it is.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Yeah, and just because like he knew if he said
that it would get me up and going. He could
have said any cryptic thing and I would have And
I'm like, hell you mean. And at this point he's
in the room because my room, and there was my
room and then the storage room where we kept all
our guns and stuff like that. And at this point,
because I'm already out, he's loading his guns. He's like,
(27:29):
grab your pistol, and I'm like, what the hell, Like,
what's going on? He's like, all right. So I'm sitting
out there and I hear these coyotes yep in and
he's like, I heard one. They all got silent, and
then I heard one let out this like like it's hurt,
like yep yell. How they are Yeah, We're we're very,
very familiar with coyotes and how they sound in this area. Dude,
(27:50):
there's thousands of them. Yeah, and we so we it
was not gonna be confused with anything else. And then
he said, I heard this noise like super low out
out in the woods. Yeah, and I'm like, dude, what
the hell? So I grab my I grab my pistol,
I got my flashlight, and we're like all right, So
we kicked. We open up the back gate and behind
(28:11):
the house is a bunch of acres that lead into
like a creek and a swamp and stuff like that.
Behind it a bunch of farm land too. It's pretty old.
It's like a it's surrounded by trees, but then it
opens up. It kind of like a meadow behind it,
like a swampy meadow. So it's two in the morning,
in the middle of the summer, so it's kind of foggy,
so we're kind of just scanning, and all of a sudden,
(28:31):
there's a stump. It's about like four foot. I see
these blue eyes that my light hits and I see
these blue eyes, and my buddy sees it too, but
he sees normal eye shine, but I see blue and
we're just like, what the hell is that? Like, the
mines are too big to be a raccoon, because they're
like spaced like a human's eyes, maybe a little farther out.
And we started looking around making sure there's nothing else,
(28:53):
and then we turn back it's gone. So at this point,
I'm scanning the left, he's scanning to the right, and
I see it stand just like going off to the
side towards there was a neighbor's house, but they're never
there because they're rich foreigners who live in their house
part time. And that's a lot of southwest Michigan. So
they're heading off to that, which in that direction is
(29:14):
also where the swamps at. And I'm like, dude, what
the hell it's it's going this way, it's going this way.
And it looked like it was it was taller than me.
I'm five ten, I'd say it's probably like six three
sixty four, and it was just going off that way,
and I could still only see the eye, so it's
kind of just looking at us as Yeah, it was
(29:35):
going I'm like, I'm not about to start. I'm not
about to start popping off or anything. No, No, because
I don't I don't know what idiot could It could
in my mind at the time, it could be somebody
out there messing with us, But why would they do that?
You know, there's no point it's the neighbors ain't there.
The floodlights off, so we know they're not there. And
the other neighbors are too far in the wrong direction, right,
(29:58):
So we're just like, I'm like, what the hell, what's that?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Man?
Speaker 4 (30:00):
He's like, I don't know. I was like, you want
to go after it? And like I said, it just
like that because I didn't want to, but if he
wanted to, we're gonna make it happen. And he said, nah,
let's just go back inside. Yeah, we're good, And dude,
it was. That was pretty scary. And we've had a
lot of other weird stuff happen out there as far
(30:22):
as like he saw a like apparition witch thing one
time when he was out there, like mine speak kind
of to him while he was sleeping out there hunting.
I got a whole episode of it on my show.
It's the Witch of the Woods episode we talk about
everything and that just talking about everything on his property.
(30:43):
It takes about two and a half hours to get
through everything that happened to us out there. Well, he
also heard that night, well that noise that I made,
but then he also heard he said, it almost sounded
like the predator mixed with this character from my old show,
like Perry the Platypus from this old show of some
fer that we used to watch one of your kids,
(31:03):
but also like a door creaking two more so that
freaked me out. I was like, all right, well so
you heard that, and then you heard the noise that
I recreated. And then a couple of weeks later because
I worked second shift, so I would go to work
like two three in the afternoon, wouldn't get home till
two three in the morning, and uh, I'm walking. We
(31:26):
had a poll bar to our side. Then it opened
up and then you know, all the woods and everything's
back like ten acres straight back. Well, the only part
of the yard I couldn't see because we had a
bridle floodlight was behind this pole bar in this corner.
So it made this v that was just complete darkness.
And I heard that an I do. I booked it inside,
(31:47):
like I'm trying to get my key in the door
unlock it, and I'm like, dude, dude, dude, I gotta go,
I gotta go, I gotta go. And I don't know
if it was I don't know if it was this
thing or something similar. Yeah, and we we've been out
there because we spent a lot of time outside there
just having fires.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
And stuff throws off as the blue eye shine.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Yeah, it is regular, though you said he thought it
was regular. He saw regular, but I saw blue. But
I was also he was also looking at it from
the side, but I was looking at it head on.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Yeah too, it's weird. I've never heard that.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Yeah, and there's only like five animals that have blue
eye shine. The's cows, goats, adgers, the wolverine, and something else.
But we don't know. None of those things are six
or four standing.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Up right exactly.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
So you know, we sat out there. There was one
night a couple months later, we had some friends over
and it started getting dark and my friend's wife was like, Hey,
what is that light out there? And we're thinking, oh,
it's the flood light from the house because they were
in town but they weren't home. They were out doing something.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah, and this.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Blue dot out on one of the trails. I'm like,
what is that? So I get up look at it
and it's just sitting there in the middle of the trail,
and I'm like, I don't want to go mess with
that no more. So we sit down and then all
of a sudden, these orbs just start appearing right on
the woodline right where our gate is, and we got.
We got pictures of them too, somewhere. I can send
them to you, but they're like orb just like not
(33:22):
close enough to the eyes, but just yeah, orbs out
there blue, orbs blue and white. Like we we thought
there were lights, eventually we did. After they were gone.
We mustard up the courage to go out there. No
footprints nothing, you know, it wasn't people out there, Yeah,
because it's pretty muddy, so you're gonna see the people
are gonna leave footprints and stuff out there. Nope, nothing.
It was just really really weird. But this whole property
(33:45):
was just weird. I've had stuff like a long time
walking at the end of my bed, stuff grabbing me
in my sleep, my footsteps down the hallway.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
And more like paranormal stuff too.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yeah, there was a lot of paranormal stuff. And it
doesn't surprise me either because the town is really really
close to well. Ben Harbor is one of the points
of the Lake Michigan Truangle. I don't know if you've
heard of that at all. Yeah, yeah, sure, And so
you know, I'm one of those believers just because we
as man make geographical lines and stuff and make an
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endpoint and stuff like that. Doesn't mean the stuff can't
extend out a little bit farther. So this area is
already full of high strangeness. So I'm just like it
is pretty wild.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Is it running water running through it? Yeah? Actually so,
I mean it's just one of those things, like certain
things you look for signs of, like lay lines and
things like that.
Speaker 6 (34:37):
Right, So, oh yeah, the whole area is uh, it's
the Papaul Lake Watershed. So we have the Pawpaul River,
the Saint Joseph River, all this stuff, and at some
point they eventually lead out to the Mississippi River and
all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
Man.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
So it's there's a lot of there's a lot of water.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yeah, Saint Joseph's I'm looking I'm looking at the area
for like some I'm on the big Foot Mapping Project website,
and there's like all around it. There's different sidings, you know,
obviously like out of Dewey Lake, Maple Island, that whole area.
Oh yeah, you've got a couple sightings out there and reports,
(35:16):
and then you've got some up. You've got a footprint
another siding up where is by Riverside, which is just
north of there.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Yeah, so riversidees like the town I grew up in, Okay.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Yeah, so like there's there's yeah, right on the Popa
River there's a couple of sidings. Yeah. And then it's
and then south of there too, you've got right right
on like right in stevens Stevensville, there's a siding or
a vocalization.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
And that's where we get close to that state park.
If you're looking at the mac you'll see at the
warned in State Park.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, I see it right there.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
Just south of that is where my wife has her dog,
man a counter aund the highway.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
And you've got Grand Mirror Lakes, the Grand Mere State
Park as well, yep. Man. And then there's one other
one that's a little farther south, but it's over in
it's by another lake because there's a ton of lakes there,
Wagner Lake. Yep. So yeah, man, there's a lot in
the area environment you know, as it as it seems
(36:25):
and you're like, what, like it doesn't seem like there
should be that much activity, but there is. There's a
decent amount. I mean obviously you get farther north, like
because as Michigan goes, you know, there's so much activity
up up north like insane.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
The National Forest. That's dude, that's a dog man hot spot.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Like up in Bend It Bendon, there's a there's a
whole hot spot up there, which is by what Lake
Green Lake. It's called duck Lake Green Lake, interlocking that
whole area, there's a hot spot there. This is what's
so cool. I don't know if you've ever gotten on
this map. It just gives you the hot spots, you know,
(37:06):
and it's super cool.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
It's I used to be the dude that would go
to the bfroro's website and stuff like that. But now,
like the Bigfoot Mapping Project, Man, they just this is
way better. I feel like.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
I mean they get a lot of their stuff from
the BFRO, but.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Yeah, but I feel like a lot more people are
also open to like put stuff on the big Foot
Mapping Project where they don't have to have like a
whole interview because like, we just have that major siding
in Monroe County over by south of Detroit. Yep, yep,
that class a. Actually Matt Moneymaker got involved with that one.
It was so good.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, and I know.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
That area because uh, I used to fish tournaments out
of there out of Monroe over on the Sterling River
and the Red River. Yep, I fished over by Plumb
River work.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
The whole area is a hot spot in itself. Oh yeah,
right around Monroe, well, especially north of there and what
what I think they call Stoney Creek. It's like, dude,
there's so many sightings there. Oh yeah, see there they
are going all the way back to like the sixties,
so and some of the Yeah, it's nuts. I've been
(38:11):
starting to ask. I'm starting to ask all my folks
that are especially Christian folks, what do you think we're
dealing with? Here? I again loaded loaded question, and you
know you don't have obviously. The bottom line is I
think we don't know. We don't know anything. We don't
know anything about anything. Like we are so outside of
(38:33):
our element with this type of stuff that I don't
think we have a clue. Right, I think maybe we
have a clue. I mean we have our own experiences, right,
and those of people that we trust. What do you
think we're dealing with? Like, what's your opinion? Because that's
all it is, it's an opinion.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
It's opinions. Yes, So I would say, well, I guess
that's her preface by this. Growing up, I was always
flesh and blood, But the last couple of years just
here like hearing all these stories over the last dang
almost a decade. Now there's some aspect to them that
aren't natural and supernatural, and I know, and I know
there's this whole thing of them being nephil I don't
(39:15):
I don't think that they're necessary. I don't think they're
straight flo. I think they're some of them. I think
some of them could still be just like flesh and
blood but ape. But then there's this whole other thing
that is like just dirty muddy water down.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Like like an eliud right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Just like it's got some of the genetics and stuff,
but most of it is natural. But they have access
to these supernatural boots in the same in the same
similar sense as us. You know, we have the gifts
of the spirit.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Right, Like there are plenty of humans that are able
to tap into this stuff.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Yes, so like they could do something, Belcas, let's take
it back. The whole thing that the enemy can. They
cannot create. They can only mimic and copy what what
God has done. So God made us spiritual beings, an
im mortal vessel we are of God and we are
children of God, so we got it gives us the
ability to do through him and his spirit, to do
(40:12):
things that he can, the miracles, the healing, the prophecy,
all this, all this kind of stuff that it talks
about in the scriptures. Well, if the enemy copied, you know,
their descendants would also have abilities like spiritual abilities.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
So after I guess this is a little teaser for
the documentary Operation Smoke that will be out sometime. My
experience changed my perspective on all that, and you can
hear that in the trailer, and I think the little
debrief trailer, I don't think he put a lot of
my talking in the defense.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
Other than you're like, man, you don't know woods. Yeah,
so it is true. It's so true, so true, you
don't know woods until you're in some woods like that.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
A lot of the stuff that I had happened to me. Man,
throws a lot of it, Like, I don't I don't
expect everybody to believe that's fine, you know, I know
exactly and I I don't even like me, I'm who
experienced it. I'm not even one hundred percent sure what happened.
I'm not going to say I saw something. I mean,
I did, but I don't know what it is that
(41:14):
I seen. Y'all will have to wait for the documentary
for that. But it's I had some really really unexplainable
and terrifying stuff happened to me.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Yeah, like I.
Speaker 4 (41:24):
Could say one thing for sure. I definitely got blasted
by some something zap.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Right, that's that what people are calling it zapped or blasted.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
Yeah, something like that. Like my energy was drained and
there was a primal fear and I thought I was
going to die.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yeah, man, and that you know.
Speaker 4 (41:44):
You guys will get to see a lot of that
on the documentary. And then after that comes out when
I have free ran to talk about everything, like there's
there's a lot more to it that I've just come
in the last moment.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yeah, like right right.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
And I also don't want people thinking like I'm playing
this up for the fame and the No oh no,
I don't care, man, I'm just not going to happen, right, Like,
I just want you know, I enjoy this kind of stuff,
And yeah, I'd still be excited about everything even if
nothing did happen to me.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
I mean, bottom line is, and this is one of
the things that I and this is one of the
seeds that I like to plant, is that this is fellowship, man,
Like this is like at the at the end of it,
that's what it is for me, and I know with
a lot of other folks that I've come in contact with.
The it's the people I like to converse with and
hang out with, you know, whether it's virtually or in person,
(42:38):
it's for fellowship. You know, like minded folks. I mean,
if I don't get along with you, I'm not gonna
hang out with you.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
Right exactly, like that to me, Like everything that happened,
like I said, if that didn't happen, this this trip
still would have been awesome, man, because I missed great
new friends. Man. We got we talked so much scripture,
you know, we we all shared our testimonies and stuff,
had good food, just hung out and like it was
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the brotherhood, the fellowship.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4 (43:07):
And that's the best thing we've all talked about. That's
been our favorite thing about the whole thing. That's why
we're all going hold to do it again, because like
I've made some really really good friends that I'm only
going to see you doing this kind of stuff and
I only met doing this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah, so you guys are just messing around in an
area where you know, guys like Scott Carpenter spent a
lot of time and you know, not just him, but
a lot of folks that have been doing this a
long time. And I've really been digging, digging, digging deep
in as deep as I can into the DNA of
this whole thing, right like the Sasquatch genome project and
(43:44):
that stuff like that, Scott Carpenter with Melbourne Ketchum, you
know what I'm talking about. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (43:50):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
People can say what they want, and I understand, But
at the end of the day, if the science, the
real science were you know, if they would actually just
look at the like, give this a real good look,
I don't see how they could not at least admit
that there's something going on, right and not just dismiss
it out of hand. And oh well, So the biggest
(44:12):
argument that I hear about it is like, well, she
published it in her own journal that she created just
for that well, because nobody else would peer review it
or look at it. So what are you supposed to
do then? So, if that's the measure of science, then
that's science. I don't want a part of right, so
I don't give it much credence at that point. Plus
I'm not going to get myself banned on YouTube. But
(44:34):
let's look at where the science has taken this in
the past few years about all kinds of stuff, right,
So I don't I don't look at the science as
much as I used to. I don't give it the
credibility that it used to have because if you're not
going to give all of it, the whole body of evidence,
credibility or possibly libility, I can't even I can't take
(44:58):
you seriously. That's I look at it. I mean, I
can still be your friend and I can whatever, but
I just can't. I can't take it seriously at that
point because you're not open.
Speaker 4 (45:09):
Exactly well that I think that also plays a part
into why what you and I and countless others do
is so important, like getting people's experiences, getting them to
talk about it, because honestly, I feel just you can
look all throughout history, what's been more effective. You know
it's in your books or firsthand like people's stories encounters.
Because I'll tell you what it goes back to the
(45:31):
Mountain eighte like the mountain girls and stuff. They didn't
think those were real. They thought that was crypto zoology
for years and years. Right, they start talking to the
locals and they're like, oh, yeah, you know, these things
are real. We experience these things all the time. And
then they took them seriously once. I was like, oh, yeah,
they live in this part of the jungle. Guess what
they went there? Boom there they were. I think if
(45:52):
the science and this is also coming from a dude
who was majored in environmental science in college as well,
and a lot of biology, did a lot of biology. Man,
you listen to the people that have seen these things,
You're gonna get more than just trying to get these
hypotheses hypotheses out of books and stuff like that. You know,
you got it. Boots on ground is the most effective
(46:13):
form of especially when it comes like to biology and
stuff like that, Boots on ground is the most effective. Now,
if you're doing like chemistry and stuff like that, that's
a little different, but yeah, right, but in topics like these,
you're not gonna just get things from the books half
that you have to go out there. And I can't
stress that enough. And that's why. I also encourage people
(46:34):
out to go out and research places.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Yeah, but do it safely, man, Oh yeah, because yeah,
you can go sideways. Really, I mean, like missing, for one,
one is a real thing, like very what is that about?
I don't know for sure, but wow, it's creepy. Right,
people go missing all the time and I don't know
why or when we can because crazy stuff happens out there.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Yes it does. And do you mind if I give
like a couple of words of advice to people? Oh?
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Absolutely about this? Like, well that's that's kind of where
we're headed at this point. Is I like to I
like to kind of wrap things up with you planting
seeds for people, like talking about things that you know,
make people think, goes right into that.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
Well. First off, guys, I highly suggest if you're going
out into like an ancient place, like you know there's
some history of some negative stuff, or you're just going
into a place like you're unfamiliar with. Above all else
that I'm about to say, stay prayed up like prayers
to protection, prayers of discerned that yes, eclip the whole
(47:42):
armor of God and know your word, because I'll tell
you what that can get you out of a lot
more situations than you think they get. The god I worship,
the God of Jacob and Jesus Christ can do all things.
The second thing is if you're going out into the
woods and like you camping, don't go by yourself and
don't go on if you're gonna be like camping around
(48:02):
like near a trail and stuff like that, about two
other people. So the group of three is good if
you're going out into like deep wilderness, no people whatsoever,
pretty far from civilization like we were, and ten people
armed is starting to be a safe number. Wild stuff happens,
you gotta be, you gotta be. You gotta be safe
(48:24):
because like you said, one one is a real thing.
People go missing all the time, and sometimes people just
get lost.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
That's not sure.
Speaker 4 (48:34):
Not everything has got to be cryptis not everything's gotta
be paranormal and stuff like that. Like the honestly, I'd
say seventy five percent of the missing people and stuff
like that, it's just people going missing, getting lost, because
it's really really easy to get lost in areas that
you're unfamiliar with. Yeah, that's why I was so intimidated.
Go another I don't I didn't know the area. I
refuse to go out walking in pitch darkness on somewhere
(48:57):
I've never stepped foot The second day, I want out
because during the day I had done a ton of hiking,
like I was familiar with the area enough to where
I knew how to get back, like left markers and
stuff like that. Right, But yeah, don't don't go out
big chested. Don't think you're a dude that knows how
to rock the Midwest and can survive anywhere in the
(49:19):
Midwest Like I used to live up in the up
in the middle of winter. I know the Midwest. I
can handle this and stuff. And then thinking I can
take that all to somewhere like mountains and swamps. Guess what,
You're gonna get humbled real quick and some bad stuff's
gonna happen to you if you walk around with that mentality.
I guess it all comes down to humility, man, Like,
(49:39):
don't get too big for your bridges. Uh creed, Yeah,
that's take that. Take that to hard guys. Engrave that
in your head. You know it'll save you someday for sure.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Well, man, tell us where people can find you.
Speaker 4 (49:54):
All right, I got you, so you can find me
anywhere you can listen to podcasts at Midwest Mythos and
then you can find me on YouTube, which my YouTube
I've been putting a ton of work into and I
got some my bonus contact coming out on there at
Midwest Mytholds Podcast on YouTube. There you're gonna get the
video format of all my episodes. You're also gonna get
(50:15):
some mini documentaries and stuff coming out. I've been doing
a lot of hiking and stuff lately. I actually just
went to Indiana Dunes National Park a couple of days
a couple of days ago, did some videos about twenty
minutes fifteen to twenty minutes of video just walk in
the nature trail. There's no cryptid, nothing kind of stuff
like that. It's just me spending time in nature and
trying to get people encouraged to go out in nature
(50:37):
and all this stuff too. You can find in my
link tree at ee slash Midwest Mytholds Podcast. There you
got links to everything. And I got this really cool
thing right at the top of the page. It's called
the Report and Encounter. So if you or anybody you
know has had an encounter or like you're a research
or anything, it doesn't have to be an encounter and
you just want to talk to me, you can do that.
(50:58):
Go straight to my email. I'll get back to you asap,
or the best place to get a hold of me,
like you did is my Instagram. I think less mythos.
I'll get back to you pretty quick. I will say,
I used to do it instantly, but now I've become
people actually know me now, so it's kind of been
getting a little bit more cool. Yeah, a little bit
(51:19):
more active than I was anticipating. I never expected it
to get to this point, but I try to get
back to people pretty quick, you know, within a day.
And if I if I start the conversation with you,
I'm gonna keep it going. And I'm not gonna it's
not gonna be a week between each messages with y'all,
because I enjoy talking to people. Man Like, if you're
gonna take the time to try to talk to me,
I'm gonna do my best to take the time to
(51:40):
try to talk to you about.
Speaker 3 (51:41):
Sure, I agreed, but yeah, that's.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
Everywhere you can find me.
Speaker 3 (51:44):
All right, man, that's awesome. I appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 4 (51:48):
Thank you so much for having me on.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
This was a blessed Yeah, we'll do it again before
you know it.
Speaker 4 (51:53):
Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
Man.
Speaker 4 (51:54):
You'll have to come on mind too, man.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
We yeah, whenever you whenever you want. All right, man,
just let me know.
Speaker 7 (52:00):
I got bad thoughts that make my mind scared. Hold
me hostage and they don't fight fair? Who gonna pray
for me? And white on my tests? Who's gonna save me?
Speaker 2 (52:09):
If you're not right here? Move this darkness and make
my sight clear.
Speaker 7 (52:13):
Take me your way, because I don't like your gost
to my past day feeling the night are wake me up.
Speaker 2 (52:18):
I'm trapped in my Nightmass, you trapped in my.
Speaker 5 (52:29):
Nightmas, trowning, trowning, I mouth the deepen apparition some.
Speaker 7 (52:43):
All my demons, all my thoughts, I come, making treason
all alone.
Speaker 2 (52:48):
I'm gonna hear me screaming matter if I stay.
Speaker 7 (52:51):
Shits on my fists, regrets that stretched out for light years,
you can almost touch the light.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Holdie, it's right there, body free, but trapped in my Nightmas.
I don't let me jack.
Speaker 5 (53:02):
I don't life of fade, and now all my life
is faith, all my life is face, and then.
Speaker 3 (53:09):
I was fake.
Speaker 2 (53:10):
I don't let mister. All my life is fading. All
my life is fame enough? Like man, you check in
my life.
Speaker 4 (53:28):
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