Psychotherapist Exposes the Truth: Schizophrenia Isn’t What You Think

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hmmm.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
So what is the best place to find you, Jerry.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
It's on my website at Jerrymarsinski dot.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Com, social media or anything.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, I got thrown off of Facebook, I've been suspended
from YouTube. I've been in YouTube jail a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Right, So.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, that's probably the Yeah, I'm afraid if I'll get
it overwhelmed. Yeah, yeah, it's probably. The website's probably the
best way.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Okay, worked and might get told you that the VA
for a bunch of years.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
Are you still in touch with veterans? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, I talked to him all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
You know, if there's a brand new, cutting edge psychotherapy
out now that works wonders with trauma, Okay, it will.
It will dissolve trauma in an hour. And I know
somebody who is a veteran who's just just got certified
in that, and she'd be willing to do some some

(02:00):
work with some of the veterans. Just get it. Just
they need this stuff bad because the veterans are really
being short changed. Oh yes, the stuff they're using doesn't work. Yeah,
it doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
I agree, you can.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
So we've been trying to break in with the veterans
for a long time, and these fools won't listen to us.
This stuff works better than anything I've seen in forty
five years on the front lines.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
And they won't even look at it. They're just so
arrogant they won't look at it. And it works within
an hour and it permanently cures the condition. It's not
drugs that are just treating the friggin symptoms. I mean,
it goes into the subconscious mind, gets rid of the garbage,
and then it's done. So training a car battery. If
you drain a car battery down to nothing, you can't

(02:46):
charge it again. So it goes into subconscious. It trains
those big pockets of negative trauma and it's dead. You'll
still remember the trauma, but there won't be any emotional
upset associated with it that will be gone on. It's
a psycho energetic psychotherapy, okay, because your your you know,
your thoughts are energy, your your feeling for energy, your

(03:10):
memories or energy, your spirit is energy. You're an energy unit.
And here's psychiatry pouring drugs on your brain thinking that's
going to help something. Nothing they have cures anything. They're
just treating symptoms and making a fortune. Out of it, agreed,
And those drugs are toxic. They're all toxic.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
They are. It's no good, no good at all. Yeah.
So how did you I mean, you've been doing this
forty five years. How long did it take you to
figure out that you think you're dealing with other entities? Right?

Speaker 3 (03:55):
It took two years because I didn't want I didn't
want to believe it, right, I didn't want to believe it.
I didn't want to believe that the voices were entities.
I thought it was something to do with the subconscious, right.
But what was interesting is when I after I got
out of graduate school, I got hired at one of
the biggest psychiatric hospitals on the planet. Nobody was interested

(04:18):
in the voices. I'd ask them what are these things?
Because I saw there was a one to one correlation
between the patient listening to voices and how long, how
strong those voices were, and how much to swept the
behavior they would show. So it's like, okay, they're linked somehow.
I didn't know how. I didn't know what they were. So,

(04:40):
you know, I asked a lot of the staff, and
they'd all been brainwashed in nursing school or medical school
or you know, graduate school, I believed that these things
were auditory or visual hallucinations, right, And I believe that
too because I was brainwashed just like them. When I
got onto the front lines, there were things that didn't

(05:03):
make sense. So you think about a hallucination, and what
I was thinking, well, you know, it's like all other
halluse nations, it's all over the place. It must be
word salid, you know, or what our visual halluc nations.
That just didn't make any sense, you know. But when
I got onto the wards, the one thing I hated
about psychology is you could not check out anything these

(05:28):
people were saying and see for yourself. You know. You
could not get access to a syche board, you couldn't
get access to a mental health center, you couldn't get
access to a psychiatric hospital. You just had to believe
what they were telling and it would be four years
of believing what they were telling you. And with my background,

(05:48):
had a very hard time believing anything any authority figure said.
So I was programmed that way to start with. So
it was murder for me to have to go through
four years of psychcology with the only the only validation
I got was an experimental psychology, which is a rat lab,
you know, where you run these these uh what do

(06:10):
they call it? Regiments and you actually see the behavior materialize,
you know, like positive reinforcement, then getive reinforcement, different reinforcement schedules,
and you could actually watch the animals change, you know,
but they were learning, that was it. But you know,
people aren't animals, even though they're subject to those same rules.
It's far from anything that would you know, you could

(06:33):
call psychotherapy. It's more like behavioral stuff and theories, the
counseling theories were like, where do these things come from?
There's one time, oh, what guy was a famous psychotherapist,
Eric somebody came to the hospital and he wanted somebody

(06:55):
to work with him and play like they were chronic
out all right, and all this stuff he's saying would
not have worked. You know. Finally I had to, you know,
not to embarrass him. I had to finally give in,
but not because of what he was saying. So that
convinced me more that this is just a bunch of crap.

(07:18):
And you know, so I went all through four years
of undergraduate school and then there was there was I
was in abnormal psychology and the instructor had us read
a article written by a clinical psychologists that said, if

(07:39):
two crazy people met each other and they had the
same delusion, you know, if both of them thought they
were Joe Biden, one of them would have to give
way and come up with some other craziness, you know,
some other name. I'm thinking, even as an undergraduate, I'm thinking, well,
why should they have I mean, they're both crazy. Why
should that care? Why should they care? Why should one

(07:59):
have to switch? What they're doing anyway isn't logical to
start with, So why would all of a sudden they
have to become logical and one of them switch? And
then they decide which one of them's going to switch?
I mean, how does that happen? Do they have an
argument over it, or do they negotiator or what? You know?
So I just found that odd and I tucked it

(08:20):
in my memory. Probably probably eight to ten years later,
I was on a siteboard and I was doing my
rounds and here's a guy carrying on a tooblone conversation
with somebody I couldn't see. And it was not word salad.

(08:41):
I mean, it was a coherent, logical conversation with something
or somebody I can see. What it reminded me of
is you know when you're talking on the phone, you
could hear the person talking on the phone, but you
couldn't hear the person talking to them. Yeah, it reminded
me of that. So I could hear what he was
saying to whatever this thing was, but I couldn't hear

(09:02):
the answers. And after that happened a few times, it
was like, well, wait a second, these auditory hallucinations are suspect.
I mean, if they're is hallucination, they shouldn't have a
coherent form. So with this guy, I asked him when
I snuck up on him and I wanted to listen
to what he was saying, and he caught me and

(09:24):
when I was close and I said, I told him.
I said, I am the site for this unit. I
don't recognize you that you just dead here and he said, yeah,
I'm new. And I asked him, I said, what's your name?
He looks me in the eye and he says, I'm
Jesus Christ. And I look at him and I go, no, no,
not Jesus Christ. I am you know. And I'm like, okay,

(09:48):
what's he going to do? And I'm sitting there on
pins and needles to see, Okay, he's he going to
change to something else like this clinical psychologist said, and
he cocks his eyes up and he thinks for a minute.
He goes, okay, we can both be Jesus Christ. And
it strolls off, you know, and I'm like, after that,
I'm thinking, what else did they lie to me about?

(10:08):
You know, it was automatically their credibility was now in question, right,
and then it went on from there because the whole
time they're teaching that schizophrenia is due to a biochemical
imbalance of the brain. So here I'm working rewards, I'm
sitting through interviews with psychiatrists and patients, and here I

(10:28):
watched how the psychiatrists worked. You know, what's going on
with you. You're hearing voices. You know, I'm hearing voices. Okay,
you're schizophrenic. Let's start off with this medicine, just right
off the bat.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, no, no, no collecting two hundred dollars nothing, just
going straight through it.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
We're going to start right here and then then we'll
go from there.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
And after that happened a few times, I'm going, well,
if this is a biochemical you know, disturbance of the brain,
a biochemical imbalance of the brain. Then they must have
some kind of test or lab work or EKG or
EEG or something, some kind of subjective test. The test, well,
what's out of balance? There's like what twenty three neurotransmitters

(11:10):
or something like that. What's out of balance or how much?
By how much? I mean, you need to know that
if it's a balance and you're setting it, you're resetting
the balance, you'd have to know what was out of balance.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
And such a good point, such a good point.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
So I'm like, after watching a few of them do that,
I'm going, what the frick are they doing? Yeah, So
finally I asked one of them and I said, now,
if you're treating a chemical imbalance, how do you even
know what's out of balance or by how much? I
just asked them straight up. He went, Oh, the drug
companies take care of that for us. You know, we
just we just do what the drug companies say. And

(11:45):
I'm like, oh my god, you know that like letting
the fox in the henhouse. So there was no test,
it didn't exist. There was no test for a chemical
imbalance of the brain. Matter of fact, they don't even
know what the chemical balance of the brain should be,
you know. So here's here's a massive lie that they

(12:07):
put out. And it was put out by a pharmaceutical
company by the name of Eli Lilly. Okay, um hmm,
let's see if I can find the artistic for that
had its own way. Well, it was when Prozac came out. Okay,

(12:32):
they needed an explanation for how their drugs worked and
they didn't have one. They thought it had something to
do with serotonin, which they thought was indeficit, which is
a neurotransmitter, and they were thinking, Okay, if there's not
enough serotonin, then the nerves aren't going to fire normally.

(12:54):
So Eli Lilly when they put out Prozac, they didn't
have any explore nation for how their their drug worked,
and so they just made one up. And I have
to think some I never can find it. Maybe this
is it. They just made one up and they published it,

(13:23):
and then the psychiatrists started pushing it, and then the
educational buildings started pushing it and educational people and it
was a complete lie though it was debunked, but they
they're pushing it anywhere. So here's here's what a couple
of psychiatrists had to say about that. Here's one psychiatrist.
Though Jeffrey looked Lacassi. He said, there's not a single

(13:46):
peer reviewed article that can be accurately cited to directly
support claims of serotoonin deficiency in any mental disorder, while
there are many articles that present counter evidence. Ronald Pye says,
this guy was a big guy psychiatrist. He said, the
demise of the chemical imbalance theory in view of the

(14:08):
mounting evidence against it. After more than twenty years of
being told a chemical imbalance of the brain causes mental
illness such as anxiety disordered depression in schizophrenia, the theory
was finally put to the rest when doctor pie Is,
the director in chief of Ambrius of the Psychiatric Times,
stated on July eleventh, what is it? Twenty eleven? I

(14:35):
think it was in the issue of Psychiatric Times. He said,
I don't believe I've ever heard of a knowledgeable, well
trained psychiatrist makes us preposterous claims that, you know, mental
illness is due to a chemical imbalance. It's a sort
of last century thinking, and they're still pushing it. I

(14:57):
mean they're still averagge. You know, you can go to
the So here was another fallacy that they taught in
graduate school, you know, that it was a chemical imbalance.
But they started off well before that blaming mothers. You know,
they didn't know what costs schizophrenia, so they blame mothers.
The mothers must have done something. They did this, they

(15:18):
did that, the mothers, what do we do? What do
we do? You know, right, they can't see that was observable.
So now they didn't want anything observable, so they kicked
it up into the science realm, into genetics, and they
started claiming that there was a genetic gene for schizophrenia.

(15:40):
So they got away with this chemical imbalance thing for
twenty years. They probably got away in another twenty years
with their you know, genetic bullcrap, until finally the biogeneticist
finally got around to examining this and they went, there
is no gene for schizophrenia, There is no for mental illness.
There's no link there, you know, And the psychiatric maffia,

(16:06):
a big farmer, came back and said, well, it's not
just one dream link. It's a whole bunch of genes
just all died together, and they're all doing this. You know,
we know it's the jeans. We just haven't figured out
which ones yet.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
I love that you call them the psychiatric mafia. It's
fantastic they are. Yeah, exact great they are.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
So here was another lie. You know, it wasn't genetics.
And then with the you know, the biochemical balance that
was that was disproved again after another twenty year run.
You know. So it's lie after lie after lie. These
people have no morals, they have no integrity. It's money, money, money.
So that was the next one that came up. When

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I found that, I'm like, Okay, what else are they
lying about? Yeah, And the next thing that popped uple
was there their bible. They're psychiatric fib the DSM completely
made up. Yeah, correct, So they have to complete work

(17:10):
of fantasy. They have a there's a group of psychiatrists
that get together once every three years and they make
up psychiatric illnesses and they vote on them. If they
can make any money off them, then two thirds of
those people in there are he said, I can bind

(17:31):
two thirds of those people in there are associated with
Big fun. I wouldn't be the least pit surprised that
they had some kind of drug ahead of time. And
then they needed some kind of illness to push it right.
So everything there is no objective test for any of
the almost three hundred diagnosises. They have them that daisy now,

(18:00):
so you know it's the new diagnostic bible of psychiatry.
The DSM five labels almost all human emotion as a
mental illness. A child who talks back, a man who
spends too much time on the Internet, a woman who
grieves the death of her husband or child for more
than two weeks. They're all labeled mentally ill and told

(18:21):
that they need to be drugged. Unhappiness is labeled a depression.
People are encouraged to benumb themselves with these drugs instead
of dealing with life situations that are causing their unhappiness.
But were two thirds of the psychiatrists who wrote the
d s M five have financial ties to the Big fun.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Of course they did, right, So.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
Every single one of those two hundred and ninety six
diagnoses in the d s M five have completely been
made up by a group of psychiatrists. In nineteen fifty two,
they had one hundred and six of them. In nineteen
eighty they had two hundred fifty six of them. The

(19:02):
dis M five now has two hundred and ninety seven
psychiatric disorders, every single one of them fabricated, totally made up,
and there are no tests for any of these these diagnosies.
There's not one objective test for any of them.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Which is so insane. Literally it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
And some of the ones they got now are they're
totally ridiculous. Mathematics disorder is in there, so if you
don't like mathematics, your disorder.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
It's a disorder. And we haven't driven, and we have
a plus for that, don't.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
I'm sure they do. Caffeine intoxication disorder if you drink
too much caffeine, your disordered. Sibling relational disorder, to kids fighting,
so basically virtually anything they can turn it into a
sexual orientation disturbance, homosexuality. They have one called the Florence syndrome.
Its symptoms are being overwhelmed by beauty, such as in Florence, Italy,

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and feigning and dizziness. The treatment they say is antidepressant
drugs and Paris syndrome, mostly suffered by Japanese patients visiting France.
Symptoms include depression, anxiety, and feelings of persecution. You know
my day, They would have just called that cultural shock. Yeah,
so they're totally ridiculous. They're just freaking totally ridiculous. And

(20:20):
none of those drugs that they use sure anything. They're
treating symptoms, and those drugs, especially the antipsychotics, are very dangerous.
What they did they started doing autopsies of people that
spent years in psychiatric institutions, and the autopsies showed that
virtualo all of them had shrunk brains, like shrunk and walnuts.

(20:45):
They're going, well, how come only psychotics have spunking brains
and not any of these other patients with different diagnoses.
Of course, they the big pharmer was quick to respond
to that, you know, well, to schizophre any of the
shrink in their brains. Everybody knows that, you know, so

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that the researchers they didn't, they didn't buy that. So
they started feeding these drugs, these anti psychotic drugs, the mice, rats,
and monkeys and found that their brains were being shrunken. Also,
not only there are they not sureing anybody or anything,
you know, they're making things worse because they're destroying the
central and personal nervous systems with long term use, those

(21:30):
drugs actually do more harm than good. Of course they
won't tell you that, right. I never saw a psychiatrist
tell that to any patient. You know, the malignant neurological
syndromes that they have, the tongue guarding, you know, they

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or the lips moving, or the you know, the quivers,
or the anxiety and stuff. They don't tell the patients
any of that.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, what what are the most common like back to
like voices? Right, so these voices, what were the most
common behaviors or themes? Let's say that the voice is
expressed across patients.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Well, the main one was You're worthless. You're worthless, You're stupid,
You're no good and over, everybody hate you. It's not
worth living. Just go ahead and kill yourself.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I mean, was that the goal? Do you think was
to get them to kill themselves?

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Or I think that was that was part the part goal.
And then you know, then when you're thinking about tuning yourself,
it creates a lot of anxiety.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
So no, these patterns that I sent you, they started
popping up, one after another after another. Yeah. So one
of the first things I noted with the voices is
that they were consistently negative. They were derogative, toy, insulting, abusive,
and destructive. They never said anything good. It was all

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bad stuff. Every Bronten thing that you can think of.
They were telling these patients including, you know, just go
ahead and kill yourself. Nobody loves you, nobody likes you,
you're you're alone. Oh, you're stupid, you're ignorant, you're never
going to mount to anything. Well, I come, just just
go ahead and do it now, you might ask. Well,
you know, I found out later there was years into

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the into working on the psyche words, these things were
actually draining their energy. So after the voice is attacked,
their energy was drained down to nothing, right, and that
was consistent, and if they were hearing the voices the
entire time, they were always drained. So in a lot
of cases, the voices will come, they'll hit, they'll drain

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the person, and then they'll disappear for a while until
they build up their energy again, and then they'll hit
them again and steal their energy again. So it was
those that I saw, you know, where when voices started,
they were drained by the time they left. So I
found that very interesting. So I came up with just

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a little simple survey of one to ten scale, and
I was asking there was no shortage of schizophrenics at
the state hospital. I had all I could, all I
could deal with, you know. So I'd bring them in
after a while and I'd ask him to fill out

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a little form of one to ten scale. How much
energy do you have before the voices attacked you? How
much energy do you have after they attacked you? And
then we ran an analysis of variance on it, and
it was statistically significant, you know, so something was happening.
There was a one to one correlation between these voices
attacking and these patients being drained of energy. And some

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of them even said that they could feel the energy
leaving them. They could actually feel their energy being sucked
out of it.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
What about group work? Did you do any work?

Speaker 3 (25:04):
I tried and it didn't work? Well?

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yeah, because that's that's what I was going to say, is
like I wonder if the entities were aware of each
other or do they act independently with each person? You
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah, they pretty much act independently, so the voices in
one person's head can't be heard.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Now, did we ever have did you ever have entities
manifest at all?

Speaker 3 (25:29):
I could feel.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
I remember I remember hearing you say something like there
was something you could hear, right, someone else, there was
some or is it that your patient could hear it?
Maybe that's sort of patient they could hear it static
or something.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
No, I could feel it felt like vicky electrical.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, I do know the feeling I do.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
There's no other feeling like it or are unique to them.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yes, I had so working with a few folks that
had schizophrenia. First off, I could never get them into
my office because I had a lot of let's call
it Christian paraphernalia in my office, and they would not
and they wouldn't even come into my office. It was
specific to to three individuals that I had. The other

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thing is is I do energy work, and I could
never get them to let me work on them, like
like reiki kind of along those lines, right, I could
never get them to work on me. So that's that
that clued me into the idea of this. And the
first time I ever heard you talk about I was like,
oh my gosh, it's like a light bulbleing off.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
These are not like religion. They do not like Christ God,
nothing like that. So that was like the second pattern
I found The first one was negativity. They were all
the voices were consistently negative.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Always negative, no, nothing, no, trying to like fin angle
in that.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
They were just always consistently negative, you know, and if
they if they virtually said nothing positive, and if they did,
it was just to stab the person in the back later, right, Yeah,
Sometimes they know stuff that they shouldn't know, you know,
they know stuff that the person doesn't know.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, like like familiar stuff, right like yeah, not exactly.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
That which houses the rob word to get meth when
you run out that kind of stuff, Yeah, you know,
which which prostitutes to go look for? Where to look for?
It's all negative stuff. So my first question was, well,
if the voices are hallucinations, they should be random. What
is holding them on a consistently negative path? Why aren't

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they random? Why aren't they all over the place. Why
aren't they sometimes negative, sometimes positive, sometimes neutral? Why are
they consistently negative? So here's another thing flying in the
face of the psychiatric mafia and in the educational system,
you know, teaching that these things are hallucinations. Hallucinations are random.
They're all over the place. They don't just run a

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one pattern.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
So that was the first pattern consistent patterns too, So
that's the whole idea of a pattern, right, it's consistent.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
So you know, so on my website at Jerrymarsinsky dot com.
Any of you who were working with schizophrenics and you
don't believe this, go to my website Jerrymarsinsky dot com.
Then go to articles and pull up the patterns paper.
There's twenty three patterns.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
That's the one you sent me to, right, yes, so
I will put it in the show notes as well.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
There's twenty three patterns that these things run consistently. They
shouldn't be running patterns if the truth of what the
psychiatric mafia is saying is that they're hallucinations. Hallucinations don't
run patterns. These guys are lying to us. Again. The
second thing I found, like you did, is that they're
any religious. They don't want the person going church. They

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don't want them breathing the Bible, they don't want them
saying the psalms, they don't want them believing in God.
They tell them there is no God. Right, And so
I started an investigation into that, you know, asking all
these schizophrenics, well, what happens when you go to church? Well,
it turned out that if the voices were very weak,
they would disappear. When the person went into the church.

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The voices were moderate strength, they would get louder and
they would they would try to interfere with what the
preacher was saying. They'd start mocking the preacher. They'd say
stuff like one of the one of their key praises
is Jesus couldn't even save himself. What makes you think
he's going to save you? So they would say that
if the person tried to read the Bible from cover

(29:45):
to cover, well they wouldn't do that. They most of
them weren't want to read the Bible from cover to cover.
They would just want to read certain pieces of it.
If the voices would come back, well, if you're going
to read the Bible, you got to read it from
cover to cover. So they, you know, they'd start in
there and then they'd start reading about all these ancient
Israelites that were getting slaughtered or slaughtering somebody else, and

(30:05):
it just goes on and on for hundreds of pages
that way. But then then there's the where this guy,
weyget that guy. They go into the historical stuff. Yeah
it goes on, Yeah it goes on for like ten
pages of who we Got Who. They hit that part
and they go, Okay, I'm done. I'm not going to
read the Bible anymore.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
This is yah.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Voices would come in, Yeah, we told you it was bullkrap.
So they were anti religious. They hated the twenty third Psalm.
They hated it with a passion. One guy came in
and he told me when I repeated the twenty third Psalm,
the voices react like worms thrown on a hot frying pan. So,
you know, I asked. I started passing that out and

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asking these patients how the voices reacted to it, and
it was always consistently negative. They did not like it right.
So that was the second pattern I saw. And I
first noticed that when the schizophrenics on the ward, when
the chaplain was having a ice cream social downstairs in
the rehab center, all the schizophrenics stayed on the gingy ward.

(31:06):
They wouldn't go down there and listen to music and
have taken ice cream and dance. They stayed on the word.
So I saw that once they saw that twice, the
third time I started asking them about it. It's like,
you know, I asked God for help. He didn't help me.
There's no God, you know, this is all all bull crap,
you know. And the other thing I noticed they also
always had negative, violent books on their bookstand you murder

(31:29):
mysteries or war stories or it was always negative stuff.
So I'm like, well, that's interesting. It turns out that
that negative stuff feeds them also, so you've got you know,
it goes back to, you know, these these fools running
the government and Hollywood, where you got By the time
a teenager gets to be eighteen years old, he's watched

(31:52):
many hundreds of murders on television. Yeah, and the messages
is this is how you solve your problems. You get
a gun and you shoot somebody, right, and then the
freaking deep state goes, well, we got to take the
guns from everybody so they can't you know, they can't
shoot each other. Then you have what's happening in Britain,
these guys with knives stabbing everybody. You know, figure out,

(32:13):
you know, or they use.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
A hammer or a rock get away around it.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah, there's a way around it. It's not the guns
to kill people, it's the people who have the guns.
And a lot of the people who have those guns,
you know they're mentally ill, and what's our mental health
system doing. It's garbage, It's totally garbage. You've got fifty
thousand people every year kill themselves in the United States suicide.

(32:38):
There's more psychiatrists, there's more psychologists, there's more psychiatric drugs.
So anytime in human history, and look what's happening getting sicker.
There's more mentally ill every year. The psych words are
full of menial the old people. The hospitale, the prisons
are full of menally ill people. And they reduced they

(32:58):
shut down all this state hospitals. So we're going to
save money. We're going to shut down the state hospital.
And then they send these guys to prison. We're it's
double the cost to take care of them. Now they
need all the barbed wire and the electronics.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
And but somebody's getting rich off of that, right, So.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Private prisons and the private prisons are disgusting. They do
nothing for these people, They provide no rehabilitation at all,
but they're paying off the freaking legislators. Oh yeah, you'll
bring us private prison. We'll slip you this much money
out on the table. Man. You'll you'll be fine, you'll
be well. Off, and they pay their staff crap. They
pay worse than the state prisons do, but they pay

(33:37):
their administrators a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
They do to hold it together. What so? What so?
Is it just schizophrenia or do you think it's other
that these entities cause other mental illness as well?

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Or well?

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Is it the root of all of it?

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Or is it?

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Or is it?

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Well? What this list is, it's the opper rational definition
of what they are. So these things are energy, gotcha, gotcha?
Your feelings are energy, your memory's energy, your thoughts are energy.
And yet these psychiatric mafia is going, oh, well, we'll
pour some drugs on your brain. And they don't help you.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
It's just to suppress everything.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
They're treating symptoms. They're drugging you down. So you know,
you get take any psychotic and you feel like a zombie.
You're not feeling anything, you're not feeling good, bad, You're
just a zombie. But the voices hate those psychiatric drugs anyway,
because what they do is they calm the patient down.
They don't want them calm. They're feed off of that

(34:38):
negative emotional energy that they generate. So the reason that
the voices are consistently negative is because they want to
upset the victim. They tell them all these upsetting things.
And on top of that, which is even worse, since
they're energetic, they can go into the patient's memory and
bring up every rotten thing they've ever do done and

(35:00):
rub it in their face until they're they're feeling guilty
and shamed and whatever. They do that over and over
and over again. Yeah. So that's why these chemical crafts,
you know, the the MASE energy method, this energetic psychotherapy works.
I mean, it actually gets rid of the trauma.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah. I was just going to ask you about MACE.
So is MACE and what we were talking about earlier.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, it's an energetic psychotherapy. That what happens when most
most emotional problems come from trauma of some kind. And
there's nobody on this planet that doesn't get traumatized. This
is a tough traump. This is a tough planet to
work to live on. So what happens when you get
trauma you get a very bad feeling and it just

(35:47):
doesn't go away. And at the time you get traumatized,
you make a decision as to what part you played
in that trauma or who you are as a result
of it. You don't make good decison when you're in
a traumatic state. It's always a very bad decision about yourself.
And one of the most common is I'm worthless. It's

(36:08):
probably number one decision that's made, especially with kids and parents,
you know, or husband and wives. I mean, that's one
of the first ones. So this stuff just stays there
and it rots and it you know, being in a
negative depressive state is not survival. You know, it impairs

(36:29):
in ped your's survival. So the ego shows up and goes,
let me handle this, and it takes it and it
buries it into subconscious mind, so you're no longer seeing it.
It's now subconscious, but it's still alive.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
And it manifests and manifest.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Because it's alive, it manifest and the way it manifests
is it projects out. So anybody, anybody who reminds you
of the person who traumatized you sets this thing off.
So it's taking that and going it's out there. It's
not in you. So here's this big body of negative energy.
We call it a negative identity. It's like a computer virus,

(37:08):
only it's a mind virus, and it's in the person's
mind and it's affecting their behavior, but yet it's directing
the person to look outside for the reason. And the
reason isn't outside just buried stuff in there. So what
it'll say is when enough of these traits are triggered,
it'll say that guy. They don't like that guy. You

(37:29):
either attack him or run from them, or avoid him.
The other way it manifest is when you've already been
in trouble for something and you swear to yourself, well,
I'm never going to get in trouble for this again,
and six months later you're right back there again. How
did I get back here? It's where I'd never do
this again. That's that negative identity. So what MACE does

(37:52):
It has a spiritual component unlike any other psychotherapy I know,
and it doesn't work without that spiritual component. MACE found
that negative energy, which is these mind viruses, will travel
or attracted by positive energy, which is a spirit. OK.
So what BASE basically does is it builds a bridge

(38:15):
between this negative energy you know, it finds it, it identifies,
it builds a bridge between it and your spirit, and
then your attention will drive that negative energy to your
spirit and your spirit will transmute it into positive energy,
so the person feels more energized afterward, and it works

(38:37):
better than anything I've ever seen in my time.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
I got to do this.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Anything to work as well systems In an hour, it's done.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, I got to do this to my with myself,
for sure. I got to get no no, but I've
got to get somebody to help me with it. I mean,
as a veteran myself, I've got got a lot of
guilt to deal with.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
And tell you what all all the arrange with you.
There's a sergeant major who's just retired from the Air
Air Guard. She'll she'll give you when you tell her
you're a veteran's been trying to break into the veterans.
I think I gave you her address earlier right now?

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Is that her?

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, I'll write her and tell you
about her, and I'm sure she will give you one
for free. She wants to break into the veterans because
she's she's been to a wreck, she's been to a range.
She was she's this little girl like you know, she's
like five feet and she was a machine gunner on
the HUMBI. Yeah, she's been to wreck and all throughout

(39:43):
the Middle East.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
You know, I have a lot of veteran friends, lots
and like I told you, and you know, before working
for the VA, you know, you meet a lot of folks.
So I've got a.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Well, were trying to break into the VA.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Yeah, you can't eat. But there's a lot of really good,
better nonprofits that you could probably do work with for sure,
let us know.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Yeah, I will sure because I've never seen anything work
this well. Well, it works with schizophrenics. If the voices
aren't strong, it'll get rid of them. If they're moderately strong.
If you can't get rid of them, it will get
rid of the trauma that they feed off.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Okay, now, yeah, if.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
The person can't concentrate, or if they can't form an
image in their mind, it doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
So are we thinking we're talking demons or something different?
I mean, I know we.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
See the negative the negative identities aren't demons. That's more
like a program, right, It's like a virus, correct, almost
like a parasite. But the voices are entities, entities of
some sort. And if you look at this list of patterns,

(40:55):
and you look at the patterns that narcissists run, Okay,
these are they're almost identical, except the narcissist is feeding
off a high energy human being and draining them, and
psychotic courses are feeding off low energy, low vibrating people.

(41:16):
So they like they go after the wounded, the ones
that have severe physical, sexual, and emotional abuse.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
All right, wow, yeah, the way you bring it up
to it, it hits me. I get it. I understand
where what you're saying about MACE and how it works,
and that is something that they just don't do the
the mafia.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
And there's no spiritual component, no zero. Without that spiritual
component wouldn't work, It would mean because it's the spirit
that doesn't work. All MACE does is bridge, builds the
bridge between the spirit and this body of negative energy,
and once they're put together, the spirit will transmute it.
It may take a little while, but it can usually

(42:00):
be done within an hour.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Right.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
So I've been using MACE for I've been working with
it for over three years now, and they train me
and everything under the sun. You know, when I was licensed,
I dropped my license because I knew they would go
after me for telling the truth. You know, but base
they have no idea how it works and what it
does or you know, it's like some foreign language to them.
They have no idea, you know that they're so far

(42:26):
out into you know, mental illness is a physical illness.
There's something physically wrong. In some cases there are, but
in most cases it's not. So these these these patterns,
they go on and on. The voices get louder after sunset.
Isn't that interesting? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (42:43):
That is interesting.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
And the old folks on they have something called sundown
or syndrome where these old guys with Alzheimer's and stuff,
they start getting crazy after sunset. And the schizophrenics will
tell you that they feel the worst after sunset. You know,
it's like and it's just like being in the pits

(43:05):
of hell after sunset. You know. I've been with several
psychiatrists that would tell the patients, oh, they're just hallucinations,
just ignore them. You know. I'd pull those patients back
and I'd say, well, what happened when you try to
ignore them? They said, didn't work? Well, they got they
got louder. So that's another consistent three. They will not
be ignored. If you try to ignore them, they get

(43:26):
much louder, they get much more forceful. They always foster
self destructive behavior, self sabotage, kill yourself, mess yourself up,
get in trouble with other people, because that generates that
negative emotional energy that they feed off of. You might
call it loosh. They foster isolation. They want the person
to be isolated, alone in their bedrooms, listening to them

(43:49):
all the time. Anybody who tries to help them is
considered an enemy and the voices attack them.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Yeah, we would definitely go through phases with guys and
guys where they would get seems like they would get
better and then they would always relapse. And why And
it's always that consistent behavior. It's always the same behaviors
over and over again.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
I ran into that also, and I didn't understand it
for years. I would watch it because I was working
in a psychiatric rehab center. So what we were doing
was training these people in skills like you know, cosmetology
and water repair or something like that so they could
get out of the hospital and work. The problem is
most of them would always go off their drugs. Yeah,

(44:33):
and you can't blame them because the side effects of
those drugs are just they're god awful. You know. Here's
a list of side effects and this is just for antidepressants. Nausea,
a weight gain, trouble, sleeping, dry mouth, blur vision. Now
this is for an antidepressant. Busyness, anxiety, headache, diarrhea, constipation,
sexual problems, fatigue, tremors, increased swelling, lower alcohol tolerance, bleeding,

(44:57):
lower sodium levels, vomiting, restlessness, muscle cream, seizures, and it
just goes on and on. The ones for any psychotic
drugs are even worse. That was definitely a factor in
them going off. The drugs felt awful, they were toxic,
and eventually they would go off them. But I would go, well,
what's worse you being floridly psychotic or having some after

(45:22):
effects from the medicine. So I started doing a survey
on that, and the guys who went off their meds
after they reconstituted and were saying again, I'd give them,
you know, a piece of paper, and I'd say, well,
write down all the side effects of the medicines you
were taking. And they'd write down a handful of side effects,
and none of them were any good. And then I

(45:43):
went to the DSM and I got all the characteristics
of schizoph paranoid schizophrenia, plus all the ones I saw
for myself. You know, nightmares, audio, you know, seeing monsters, know,
hearing things in your head. I mean, the abject paranoia.

(46:03):
I mean all these horrible, horrible traits. It's like a
living hell. And I wrote those down and turned it
into a check sheet. So after they filled out their
side effects thing, I'd say, okay, how about filling this out.
How about checking each one of these traits that you
had while you were psychotic? Right? And they check them off,

(46:23):
And then I'd give them both pieces of paper and
I'd say, okay, which is worse the side effects? Worse
than being psychotic? Every single one of them said, no,
the side of the side effects weren't near as bad
as being psychotic. And then I'd ask them, you know, well,

(46:43):
why'd you go off your minteent? You know, if you
knew you were going to get psychotic, and you know
what that's like, it's a living hell. Why did you
stop your mint? What do you think?

Speaker 2 (46:53):
They said, the voice has told me to Well not yet, no,
not yet.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Yet, they said, I don't know, I don't know. They
had no idea why they were going off their meds.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Now, the voices that eventually came into it, but it
was seven years after. I was at that state hospital
for seven years. What happened was one of the gals
who was taking cosmetology and making good grades. She was
a great student as long as she was on her meds.
And the meds only work because they calmed the person down.
You know, the voices want them upset. So what these

(47:29):
meds are based major tranquilizers, and they're only treating the symptoms.
So if they go off the meds, the voices come
right back, They're right back there, They're back to being
psychotic again. They only worked because they're calming the person down.
So she had already gone off for meds twice, and
I got called down to the cosmetology school and here

(47:50):
she was going nuts. I mean she was going crazy.
She was in the corner, you know, hallucinating and completely psychotic.
So I had to bring her back to her remedicated
and when she reconstituted, I had to tell her, well,
this is the third time he went up to meds.
We're going to have to discharge you from the program.
And I had to call her mother, and her mother

(48:11):
went out. She said, no, please, don't do that. I
can't deal with her. You know, I've dealt with this
for years. Please don't discharge her. At least let her
finish her school. And I said, well, she said, I'll
come up and we'll find out why she went off
her meds. And I'm like, oh, somebody else is going
to help me with this problem. So I said, all right,

(48:31):
come on up, you know, and she showed up one
Friday afternoon and we were sitting in my office talking
and then the patient came in and then we closed
the door, and both of us are asking why did
you do it? Of course, she said, well, beside effects,
and then I said I talked to her. I said, well,

(48:52):
what's worse. You know, all these nasty symptoms of you know,
psychosis or or the side effects. She said, well, you
know the psychosis is worse. And well, then why did
you do it? She said, you won't believe me, And
I told her, I said, well, I've heard some pretty
strange stuff working here. I don't think you're going to
say anything that's going to throw me out of kilter.

(49:14):
And she said, okay, I'll tell you. She said, the
voices told me that I was being poisoned by the psychiatrists,
and they were pointing to the side effects of the
medicine as the result of the voice. And it was true.
I mean, it was true. Those drugs were toxic. The

(49:35):
side effects were the toxic effects of those drugs. Now
that answered another question for me too, because what I
was watching when I first started there is that psychiatrists
were getting beat up at a rate much higher than
any other staff member, higher than psych nurses, higher than
regular doctors or dentists, or nurses or counselors or even psychologists.

(49:57):
They were getting beat up at a rate higher than
any of those people. The rate of assaults on them
was equivalent to that of attendant staff that were on
the on the on the wards with these people twenty
four hours a day. And I never could figure out,
what are these what are the psychiatrists doing in fifteen
or twenty minutes a month, They're causing all these patients

(50:18):
to beat them up, to assault them, you know, it
just didn't make any sense to you know, And at
times I was in there with psychiatrists, I never saw
anything that they did that would provoke you know, there
were some of them that were kind of irritable, but
it wouldn't have been enough to provoke an attack. Thought
I didn't think so when she said that, she said,

(50:42):
the voices were telling me not to take the medications,
you know. And you know it was the talk of
we didn't have cell phones back then. We had the
dial up phones. So the what do you call it,
the grapevine was in the in the hospital cafeteria. Yeah,
because you know, central State hostile. But it was in
the middle of nowhere. You know, there wasn't any big

(51:03):
city nearby. There wasn't any No McDonald's existed at the time.
There wasn't any you know, we had to drive thirty
miles to make and to go to a crystal Hamburger place.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Right.

Speaker 3 (51:14):
So you you either ate at the central Kitchen, which
was feeding food for seventy five cents a meal, which
wasn't too much better than the what the patient's got, right,
or you waited a little Mom and Papa restaurant in town,
you know, every once in a while, but you know,
eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner at the Central Kitchen, and

(51:37):
that's where all the you know, the talk of, hey,
psychiatrist Joe got beat up over on you know River unit.
You know, last night, it's like and these things would
come up periodically and it was always psychiatrists, and I'm like,
what's going on. So when she said that, it all
made sense. You know, the voices are telling these these

(52:00):
patients that the doctor's poison them. And I heard that
from several of the patients myself. They never beat up
a psychiatrist, but they were saying they're poisoning, they're poisoning.
But I think that attributes I think I think psychiatrists,
especially in those institutions, were afraid of schizophrenics. And when
I started asking the schizophrenics questions about the voices, they

(52:24):
started telling me, you know what. And it took about
a year or two years to get them to trust me,
because my job was to basically turn them into psychiatry
if they were decompensating, you know, and you could counsel
them all you wanted. But you know, trying to counsel
with schizophrenics is like talking to a pig. It just
doesn't work. It's like trying to shoot a rhino in

(52:46):
the butt with a baby rifle. You know, it just
it just doesn't register, you know. So one day, one
of the one of the patients these voices got pissed
at me for asking questions about him. He went and
told the psychiatrists on the unit that I was asking
questions about the voices and I was upsetting him. The
next morning, I got pulled up in the psychiatrist's office

(53:09):
and I was told, you will not ask patients about
their voices. The voices are hallucinations, and all you're doing
by asking questions is reinforcing the hallucinations and making the
patients worse. And if you keep doing this, there will
be repercussions. So I was threatened twice by psychiatrists that way.

(53:30):
And so while I was at the state hospital, I
had to put it in first gear. You know, I
had to be very careful. I had to slow down
and to make sure I didn't provoke any of these guys.
I couldn't pressure them. But you know, after I graduated
from there, went to the PhD program, got out of there,
and then I took a job with the psychology department

(53:53):
at one of the bigger arias on the state prisons.
It was full of PSCH schizophrenics. You know, it was
like a relief to get away from them for a while.
You know, It's like I didn't have any answers I
just had questions, you know, I had patterns. Yes, I
didn't know what was causing this, and it was driving
me nuts, and it was like I wanted to do

(54:13):
something else, you know. I went work for the alcoholics
for a while in one of the mental health centers,
just to get away from the schizophrenics because they were
driving me nuts. And then once I got the job
at the prison, there they were again. So it was
like this big hand picked me up and said, okay,
you had your break, get back in there and throw
it back in. And right away it's like I started thinking, well, okay,
what's going on with these friggin people.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
Yeah, it's got to be frustrating too to not be
able to really do what you want to do job
like digging in to figure out what is actually going on.
And you might know, or you might have your suspicions,
but you can't really treat them the way that you
would treat them because they wouldn't allow it.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Yeah, and if any psychiatrists found out about it, you know,
if I came up with well, these things aren't they're
not hallucinations, these entities, yeah, that would be the end.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Yah, he'd be done.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
The end to be done. You know, this guy's a whaco.
But at the prison there were plenty of schizophrenics because
they'd closed down all the state hospitals. And how they're
going to live. They either rob somebody, or they sell drugs,
you know, they can't work, they can't hold a job,
you know, or they they live off the street begging people.

(55:27):
So the prison was full of them, and here I
was back with them again. But the difference was is
I could ask them questions. And I had a lot
of autonomy to start with. So that was there eighteen
years and the whole time investigating what these things were.
But the difference was is that I could ask them

(55:48):
all the got I got a group of prisoners who
were psychotic but would tell me in real time what
their voices were saying.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Yeah, I remember reading about this that with you that
you were able to actually ask, like give a questionnaire
to the entity. Yeah, it's just huge.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
So I could ask them all all the questions I
wanted through the patient. But the patient would say, well,
the voices are saying this. They're saying you're crazy and
you're stupid. Not to listen to you, not to come
back here. It was a common thing they said, and
I would ask them, well, what are the voices telling you?
And I had I had transcripts of that because I
could pull one up before we're done and just read

(56:30):
a little bit of it. But they would tell me
in real time what the voices were saying. If any
of them went to the warden and complained to the
warden about Hey, this, the psyche is asking me questions
about the voices and I don't like it. The word
get out of my pace. Man, they're playing in the traffic.
You know that that doesn't even hit you know, the

(56:51):
line to warrant any attention. Yeah, And the prison was
set up for violent behavior, so I could push these guns, gotcha,
I could push him until they started cracking a little
bit and take a closer look at it. And that
the prison was set up to deal with that. So
you know, I'm sure if the psychiatrist or the chief

(57:11):
psychologists found out what I was doing, and that's what
happened eventually, is when when these people started recovering, when
they schizophreny is completely gone. When chief psychiat psychologists found
out about that, who was my boss, he went nuts.
I thought he would be happy, and he paced around
like a freaking demon, and he was going, what's he doing?

(57:33):
What's he doing? So he sent this other psychologists down
to investigate and talk to some of the patients that
I'd worked with that the voices were gone, and he's
asking this one guy, what's he doing to you? What
do you do? What is he doing in your You know,
in the sessions, they knew what he was doing, you know,
they knew what he was doing, so they didn't tell him.
And this guy said, well, he's helping us, not like

(57:55):
tew asshole, and that that infuriated you know. Yeah, this
psychologist he looked into patient's record and he had a
valid MMPI when the guy came into prison, and that
MMPI said this guy was psychotic and it was one
of the most researched personality inventories they have. It's the
gold standard. So he asked this patient, he said, would

(58:16):
you be willing to take another MMPI? The patient said sure,
so he gave them another one, scored it up. It
was a valid profile and the patient was no longer
psychotic according to their gold standard tests. So that upset
them even more. He went back to the chief psychologists
and told him that the chief psychologists was pacing around
like a demon. He was very upset with this, and

(58:38):
I'm like, why, why they're not taking these expensive drugs anymore.
They're not psychotic anymore, they can go out and work.
Why are these guys acting like demons? What's going on
with them? So, you know, they were going after me.
You know, the more they recovered, the more they went
after me, until one guy finally squealed on me. You know,

(58:58):
by that time, I had almost enough time to retire,
so I bought back some time from the retirement system
and hit the ejection seat, got the hell out of there.
Those prisons they belonged to the demons. They owned those places,
you know. Sherry Sweening, my co author in this, we
wrote this book together. She talks about how we came

(59:19):
to the conclusion that these things were demons, right, and
she was hearing these voices when she was a young girl.
You could get this on my website, by the way.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
Yeah, that's what I was looking. I have the name
written down, and I can't remember. I can't find it.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
An amazing journey into the psychotic mind, breaking the spell
of the Ivory Tower. Absolutely question, I lost my train
of thought.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Yeah, I'm trying to remember. Well, as let's see, I
had a question, Now, what's going both of us are
what So after decades of this work, right, what spiritual
beliefs or practices have become central to your life?

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Well, I don't subscribe to any one religion. I've studied
many I've read a lot of spiritual stuff. I know
these demons sugist. So let me finish that story and
I'll tell you the dark side. And if there's a
dark side, there's a light side. Yeah. So, as these

(01:00:30):
patterns started materializing, I started. I had my group of
psychotics and I was working with them every week. I
get them homework. Go try this and come back and
tell me what happened. You know, the twenty third song.
They hated the twenty third song. So I started passing
out the twenty third song. The voices hated the twenty
third song. The chief psychologists found that I was passing

(01:00:53):
out the twenty third song and ordered me to stop.
You know, so here here I had to be very
careful with them. So I had to again, I had
to fly under the radar. But now they were watching
me because these guys were they were they were recovering
from schizophrenia, which is something that wasn't supposed to happen
right now. It took me six months in some cases

(01:01:14):
because I didn't know as much then as I know
now to get rid of these things. But it was possible.
You know. It was flying in the face of the
psychiatric mofis saying there is no cure.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Yeah, they said, just what it is, the life sentence.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
The only thing you could do is take our toxic
drugs for the rest of your life and come and
see me and pay one hundred and fifty bucks a
visit and then eight hundred dollars a month for these
toxic drugs, which by the way, you know so coast
about one thousand dollars a month. Or somebody that stays
sane on these drugs, you go across the border in Mexico.

(01:01:53):
I'm sixty miles north of the Mexican border here in Tucson.
You go there, you can buy those same drugs, not
for eight hundred dollars, for seventy five manufactured by the
same companies. So these bastards are just ripping off the
United States citizen with not only these drugs, but all
the drugs that they're putting out and thank god recently

(01:02:14):
Trump just said you will not do that. You will
get paid as much as the lowest country anywhere in
the world that you're selling these drugs is paying for
these drugs. Major blow to the psychiatric mafia and big fun.
So that's why medical costs were so expensive. These damn
drug companies were sucking the blood out of the US

(01:02:36):
citizens and hiding it saying, oh, it's the research costs.
The research costs, they're astronomical, but they're not astronomical for
Spain or Britain, or Belgium or Mexico.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Or the research costs were done thirty years ago. I
think you've recouped your cost well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
With any psychotics, they were discovered by accident. There was
no research costs in there. They were just covered by
a die dye factory. And in Germany pheneusising. All the
all the people that worked in that die factory were
all like, we're wondering why. So one of the one
of the French pharmaceutical agents came and extracted the phenothiasings

(01:03:19):
from these dies and then they were going, well, this
will work for psychiatric patients, this will calm them down.
But at that time they had the Fordians had taken
over the system, and the Fordians were saying, we know
it all. You know, we're not going to let you
give drugs to these patients. So they came to the
US and they went to a psychiatric hospital in the

(01:03:41):
US and they passed out these phenothyasins to the memory
old people and in this psych hospital, and it numbed
them all down. They were all zombies perfect. It sold
like wildfire. So they just they were making drug sales
left them right, you know. Right now, antidepressing drugs are

(01:04:04):
making fourteen point two billion dollars billion, not million, billion
dollars a year. Anti psychotic drugs are making fourteen point
seven billion dollars a year for these drugs that are
destroying these people's nervous systems, and that aren't sure in anything.

(01:04:25):
So here again. You've got more psychiatrists, more psychologists, more
psychiatric drugs on this planet now than in the history
of mankind. And people are getting sicker, nobody is getting better,
and their wallets are being drained like a freaking vacuum,
and they're turning them into freaking zombies and destroying their
central nervouses. Man, it's like, what's interesting. You got to

(01:04:57):
bring these guys in. Yeah, you know, I think seventy
five percent of what they do Mace could do better
because you don't. These guys don't listen to anybody. Walk
into their office, you tell them much. Your problem is
you'll come out with some kind of drug. That's all.
Those are the drug pushers for this foreign pharmaceutical industry.
You won't find many that actually spend time talking to

(01:05:18):
the patients, you know, especially in the institutions and the
psychic and uh you know, military and a Central State hospital.
They spent fifteen twenty minutes a month with them. That's it. Oh,
how's your how's your drugs? You know you're still hearing
voice and that's all they did or light.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
And scale right, man.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
So these people are very deceptive. And then you and
you have all these people waiting to go see them,
you know where they wouldn't Mace. They won't allow MACE
to get out there. You know the Mace entergy method. Now,
the guy who came up with it, they took it

(01:06:06):
to Australia and they went to one of the universities
and demonstrated how well MACE worked. And the University said,
if you give us the patent for it, Well, May said,
no wayse it took me a lifetime to come up
with this. He spent his entire lifetime working on the
system before he got it to work, and then they

(01:06:27):
took it to the Australian legislature, showed then how well
it worked, and they just blew it off. So there's
only there's less than a hundred of us on the
planet right now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Yeah, I feel like we need to change that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Well, that'd be nice. Yeah, So it costs about five
thousand dollars Australian to complete their course in it. But
the galut that I'm going to refer you to, she's
got her certification. Nice, and then I'm sure she'd be
well to work with other veterans free for a while,
just to get it into the veteran community, for sure.

(01:07:05):
You know. But I've been a MACE therapist for over
three years now, and I've had hundreds of hours of
in service training. I had four years in psychology, two
years in a master's program, two years in a PhD program,
And they had nothing to match this, nothing that even
came close, right, They don't they don't know anything they
don't know anything.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
So what's a message that you would want to give
to someone currently suffering with this stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
But I'd say you contact me on my website, or
go to Clausesminstitute dot com. There's a list of therapists there.
Or they could go to Daviano the big deal I
gave you, yep, man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
What about advice to folks, you know, young, younger folks
that want to get into mental health.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
You're wasting your time in the psychology.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
That's what I was wondering if you would say.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
That, if you want something that really works, you know,
go into go to MACE. I think I was ripped
off by the educational system. They didn't teach me hardly
anything that I'm using clinically right now or have ever
used clinically. You know. It was just all this funk.
Why did I need to take six courses in advanced
statistics and algebra and all this math? The most math

(01:08:27):
I use now is to figure out my gas miloge
and balance my checkbook, right, And here's all this, you know,
six courses of this thickning advanced mathematics that I would
never use for.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Anything, right, absolutely, man.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
The only thing is is that that got the society
brainwashed to believe that you've got to have a bunch
of letters behind your name for you to have any weight.
So if you've just become a mace practitioner, all you
will have behind your name is certified practitioner. Nobody knows
about it. There's no big advertisements for it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Yeah, what is the endgame here? Do you think? Like,
I mean, it's kind of like we're at war right
to an extent, But what is like the what's the
what's coming next in the battle? Like between the spiritual
deception whatever? What what is going on?

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
What?

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
Well, here's a major battle going on right now between
light and dark. Yeah, you know, between the Dark Forces
and the Angelic Forces. I mean they're just slugging it
out right now. And in the United States the Dark
Forces are slowly losing ground with Trump and there, but
they've done everything they possibly could to stop it. Yeah,

(01:09:45):
you know, and he's he's gonna he's gonna bring it around.
And you can see other you know, other countries slowly
changing now too. You got the Stormer being kicked out
in Britain.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Yeah, well you can feel the right Yeah, you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:01):
Can feel the momentum. And then you've got this this
uh banker, this deep state banker, fool uh in Canada
who's been backed by the crown over there in Britain.
You think, you think the Brits are our allies. The
Brits are the ones that kept all these wars going
all these years. They're the ones behind all this. They're
the ones between behind these deep state banks, you know,

(01:10:25):
and you know you got to keep your eye on
them for sure. So this I didn't finish the story about. Ah,
that's where I was going. So I had these list
of patterns, started giving homework to these guys to disrupt
these patterns, and within a week they were coming back saying,

(01:10:48):
the voices don't like you, they don't like the they
don't like what you're doing, they don't like your homework.
They don't want us coming here. You're a fool. They're
telling us you're a fool, you're crazy. They away from
that guy. Well that's interesting for a hallucination, and they're
all saying the same thing. Yeah, you know. So I
kept over with the homework and these guys slowly started

(01:11:09):
getting better. The voices got weaker, they came less and
less often until they disappear. And you know, part of
that was turning onto a positive spiritual path and staying
so past that. One guy, one day, he was leaving
my office and he turned around in the doorway and

(01:11:30):
he looked at me straight in the eye, and he said,
you know what you're doing is dangerous, don't you. I
just looked at him because I've never thought about it.
You know, I'm going, all these things are in your head.
They're not in my head. You know. I'm not afraid
they're going to get me, you know, but they got
my attention. It was like a shot across the bow,
you know, I'm like, what's that all about. The next

(01:11:50):
thing that happened was one of them came to my
office and I don't know how he got in the
medical without a pass, but he did. He got in
and knocked on my door in the site department and
opened the door and here he is and I hadn't
sent him a pass, and I said, how'd you get
in here? And he goes, the voices want to talk

(01:12:12):
to you, like they want to talk to me personally.
That had never happened before in almost twenty years. That
had never happened before. And I'm like, okay, come on in,
and I closed the door. He sat down and I said, well,
what do they have to say? And these words came
out of his mouth. You have no right to interfere

(01:12:35):
with our way of life. Oh yeah, my denial system.
I didn't want to believe in demons. I didn't want
anything to do with demons. I didn't want to believe
that the people I was working with had demons. And
I wanted nothing to do with demons. And that was
a wake up call. And the prisoner he went, that

(01:12:57):
wasn't me, that was them. I did not say that.
He said that, you know. And now I said, well
tell them that, and he said they can hear. They
can hear everything you say, they can see everything you do.
I don't have to tell them anything. That was another boom.
So it was like a one two punch. It was

(01:13:18):
like damn bam. And I'm like, you know, psychiatrically or psychologically,
I was stunned. I was done. I was like he
walked out of there, and I was like in shell
shot and I closed my office door, canceled all my
points through that day, and just stared out the window,
kind of going, where's this going, what's happening? And I
couldn't tell anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Who could I talk to exactly right?

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
You know. I talked to my wife and then she goes, uh,
you know, well, why are you picking through the minds
of psychotic killers and these crazy people anywhere? You shouldn't
be doing that. So that was off. I couldn't tell
her anything. So I couldn't tell anybody anything until I
met Sherry the co after my book, you know, and
that was several years later, you know, so I had
to keep all this crap to myself. Next thing that

(01:14:03):
happened is I was asking you these prisoners questions all
the time about the voices. What are they doing, what
are they saying, how are they acting, how they react
to this? What do they do when you do this?
You know, it's constant, hundreds of questions. And I was
reading a book by Miguel Ruis, It's called The Voice
of Knowledge, and he was talking about these things in

(01:14:24):
one of the chapters. He was a South American shaman
that got out a higher education and he wrote this
book and he was talking about how they drained these
these entities drained people, They drained their psychological enter, their
psychiatric energy, their energy. And I brought that book into
the prison and brought one of these guys in, and

(01:14:44):
I said, I'd like your opinion on what this guy
has to say about the you know, these voices. So
I started reading it and I got to the point
where he was talking about his energy, these things sucking energy,
that they were parasites. Yeah, and he just froze up
and he's looking at me like a zombie. He's like,

(01:15:06):
just this weird stare. He just didn't say anything, and
then behind my head erupted this loud, crackling, electrical crackling
that sounded just like an arc woilder, exactly like an
arkholder crack crackling, and it starts moving toward the wall
on the right hand side of the office, and I'm like,

(01:15:27):
do you hear that? And he doesn't say anything. He's
just staring at me like he's frozen, you know, like
a zombie, and I want he's going to attack. I
pushed my chair against the back of the wall in
case he did, so he didn't knock me over and
I could at least kick him back, at least I
have some chance. And that crackling kept going just all

(01:15:49):
the way up to the right hand wall, and I'm
trying to I'm splitting my attention between him and the crackling.
I don't see anything there. I don't smell anything, you know,
I don't feel or anything. I'm hearing it and it's loud.
And then it crops across the top of the ceiling
and it's over his head and I can then then
keep the ceiling and him in view. Still don't say anything.

(01:16:12):
And this it wasn't a short burst, you know, it
was two or three minutes. It lasted a long time.
And then it started crackling down the left hand wall
near where I was sitting, and I'm watching, you know,
kind of watching where the noise is coming from. And
then it jumps into this rubber made trash can near
my left leg, and it's crackling in there. So I

(01:16:35):
take a glance at him, and then I look down
in that trash can. There's nothing in there. Nothing. Then
the porter had cleaned it the night before. Right just
like that, it stopped, you know, And then he slowly
starts moving and he stands up very slowly, and then
he starts turning toward the door and he goes ah

(01:16:56):
got a leave. It took me two or three months
to call him back before my fear overcame my curiosity
because I was starting to think I was I was
losing it now too right, that I was going psychotic. Yeah,

(01:17:17):
and I didn't want to be around him. No, So
I called him in like probably three months later. He
comes in and he's looking good. His energy level's good.
I was expecting them to be decimated, you know, to
be depressed and you know, rug out and you know,
looking like a typical psychotic. No, he looked good. I
made a comment, your your energy looks good. Looks like

(01:17:39):
you've got a lot of energy. He goes, yeah, I'm
feeling good. I said, well, I'm surprised after what happened,
And I said, what are you doing? He says, I'm
doing what you taught me. I haven't been able to
get rid of them, but they haven't been able to
make any advancements either. It was like a Mexican standalf.
So he sat down and I said, you remember the
last time you were in here. Did you hear that crackling?

(01:18:04):
And he said, yeah, I heard it. He said, but
I was surprised you did you know? And I said
you know what the places was there? And he said
that was them And I said, then whom? He said
that was the voices. I had no idea the voices
could do anything like that. Yeah, and I said, uh,

(01:18:26):
what were they doing? You know what was that all about?
He said they were trying to scare you off and
I said, well they did again, damn good job of it.
Three months later. Yeah, and you know, then I asked him,
I said, uh, you know when you walked out, you
looked like you were hypnotized. You looked like you was
on me. I said, what were the voices telling you?

(01:18:48):
Then he said they were telling me to go get
a shank and stick it in your belly. And I went, oh,
he wouldn't do that. I'd worked with them for six months.
I know him, I know him well, you know, I
know what happened to him. I mean, they wouldn't do
anything like that. So I asked him, I said, well,
why didn't you do it? And he said I couldn't

(01:19:08):
find one. Nobody would give me one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
That's so it was like, all right, these things to it,
they do exist. YEA. So it was real and real clear,
But it was like I walked into some place that
I had no cognitive map for. There was no books

(01:19:35):
on this. There was nobody I knew who had gone
there before except the people who were crazy. Now I
could talk to the psychotic people about this. I could
talk to the schizophrenics about this kind of stuff, but
I couldn't talk to any normal person about it. It
was like there were two different worlds and they played
by different rules. The only thing is I know pretty

(01:19:56):
much all the rules of the same world. I didn't
know many roles of the insane except that were running
patterns and that these things were entities. I didn't know
anything else about it. And here I was like I
had one foot in each world. You know, part of
me is feeling like I was going insane, and the
other part is going, well, what's going on with you?

(01:20:18):
And what's going on with all this insanity stuff?

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
So, while I was working in the prison, I was
also going for my commercial pilot's license and sailplanes. I
was flying high performance sailplanes airplanes without engines. Yeah, and
I already had my private pilot for a long long time.
I've had it for years. I wanted to get my
commercial pilot license that was two thirds more difficult. So

(01:20:45):
one of the things we had to practice were crash
landings or emergency landing. And the instructor I had, he
was an ex marine. I had a big ego, and
he kept making things harder and hard order because what
happened is if he called the FAA examiner in Phoenix

(01:21:06):
to come and give an exam, Aaron Tucson, if you
failed that exam, that examiner would embarrass the instructor in
front of the whole saleport. This guy, he couldn't take that.
His ego was just too big. So one of these
days we were walking out to the flight line. He said,
you're flying from the back seat today, and I'm saying,

(01:21:27):
why are you doing that? I can't see anything past
your fat head in the back seat. If their head
blocks the entire view of the runway, I said, on
top of that, I won't be taking the FAA exam
from the back seat. He said, you're flying from the
back seat. Then I was pissed. I said, okay. I
got in the back seat toatplane pulls us up to
a pattern altitude high release. And I had learned my

(01:21:51):
lesson earlier about hearing just what they recommend on final approach,
because there was one day I was on final approach
and I got hit by a downdraft and it almost
threw me into the desert. The only way you can
pick up speed with a glider is to nose it down.
So I was already close to the ground and I
had the nose it down to get out of that

(01:22:12):
sinking air. So I just barely made the runway that day.
So ever since then, I always carried twenty five or
thirty feet of extra altitude on final approach because you
could get rid of it in an instant. I mean
you could pop the die breaks, you could put it
into a side skid. I mean, there was no problem
getting rid of There was only one time I couldn't
get rid of it. I couldn't come down. I was

(01:22:33):
calling men your longest thermal, and I could not come down.
All other times it's easy to get that. You could
come down very quickly. So it we were on final approach,
I'm carrying twenty five thirty feet of extra altitude above
the recommended flight approach and he hollers back from the
front seat. He goes, where are you? And I said,
I'm high, and he goes, give me the plane. I'm like,

(01:22:56):
now he's taking the plane. He's taking my practice lessons
that I'm paying blood for. He's taking over the plane.
What's he going to do that I can't do? And
I was boiling, you know, And next thing I know,
he stalls the freaking plane. The die breaks are out,
he puts it. He put him out, the die breaks
are out. He stalls the plane. The plane noses down

(01:23:19):
at the forty five degree angle. It's not flying anymore.
It's coming down. It's stall, you know. And he's sitting
up in the front seat rigid, just like this. I'm going,
what happened? Did he have a heart attack? You have
a stroke? You know? I was expecting him to be
like slumped over or something. No, he was just sitting there, rigid,

(01:23:39):
And I'm like, when's he going to start flying the
freaking plane? And he still didn't put in the die break.
So I yelled up front. I said, Jerry, I'm closing
the die brakes. And I closed him and locked him
because he wouldn't be he wouldn't gain control of that
plane with the die breaks out. There's no way we
would have crashed. We're heading down at you know, for
forty five fifty miles an hour or there's nothing in

(01:24:00):
the front of that plane except fiberglass and aluminum tube.
He would have been killed. You know, I would have
probably been wracked up real bad. I was not killed.
So finally, when we're maybe fifty feet above the ground,
he freaking starts flying the plane. But what happened it
was so strange, is you know, after I closed the

(01:24:21):
dive breaks, here was this strange feeling. What the closest
I could I could get to how it felt like?
Was it taking like three shots of vodka one after another.
You know, you sit there and you go, you know,
like that. It was like this just very calm feeling
and just knowing that everything was going to be okay.

(01:24:43):
But it couldn't be. Looking at that cockpit, We're no
longer lined up with the runway. We're coming in at
a purple natular slant to it. Okay, So even at
a crash landing, it takes two hundred and fifty feet
with a nose skin, so you have a steel no
skid and the trainer and you have to drive that
into the ground and you're actually plowing up the ground

(01:25:06):
with the airplane nose to stop that thing in two
hundred and fifty feet, and if you go one inch
over that second red cone, you fail. So even when
if you drop that plane right on that first cone,
so it takes you know, it takes precise altitude and
airspeed to drop that thing, so it spalls out after
that first cone. When it hits the ground, then you

(01:25:28):
have to drive the nose into the ground, and you're
actually plowing up the ground, and it's like a plow.
That steel nose skid is actually throwing dirt everywhere, and
the plane angles up, so the nose goes up or
the tail goes up, and the noses plowing the ground.
And even then you're lucky to stop it in two

(01:25:49):
hundred and fifty feet. So here are we coming in
on an angle, perpendicular angle to a secondary runway that
was only thirty five feet wide. On the other side
of that run even if we made that runway is
a three foot deep ditch and a three foot high
pile of dirt. Right, there's no way to bring that

(01:26:10):
thing down without getting killed. Now, even if you could
touch that runway, you'd get off it into these mosquite trees,
down into that hole, and then then the whole front
of the plane would crumple, the plane would turn over,
and he'd be dead, and I'd be probably dead or
seriously hurt. But I'm sitting there calm as a cucumber.

(01:26:32):
That doesn't happen with me when something like that happens.
I mean, I've driven motorcycles, I've flown you know, scores
of hours. I don't just sit there and do nothing
when something like that's happened. But it was illegal for
me to touch the controls. And here's his feeling, telling
me sit back and watch the show. Everything's going to
be okay. So there was this knowing, it was an

(01:26:53):
absolute knowing that everything was going to be okay. But
it couldn't be. It couldn't be. I only started playing
this plane. Fifty feet above the ground. We ply through
the top of a palaverti tree, and I'm sitting in
the back seat with the window open, and the strut
for the wing cuts. The branch cuts a branch, and
that branch goes spinning by my window. So I'm sitting

(01:27:14):
back there watching this branch go whoo, you know. And
then we're coming up on the runway, and before the
runway is this barbed wire fence. You know, it's like
four feet high. If we hit that fence, if we
don't clear that fence, it's going to be curtains. I mean,
it's going to throw the plane over, or that barbed
wire is going to cut through the canopy and cut

(01:27:35):
our heads off. Right, So we got to clear the fence.
And I'm looking out the window, you know, back and forth,
looking out to the side at that barbedire fence, and
I'm going I'm gonna make it. Yeah, no, yeah, maybe no, yeah, yeah.
You know, I didn't know it was There was still
this strange feeling of knowing, absolutely knowing that everything was

(01:27:58):
going to be okay. But it couldn't be. But you
couldn't be. There are too many things stacked up, you know,
all three of them. What it could have killed us.
So it finally make it, just barely make it over
the barbera fence. And I've flown with this guy in
Civil Air Patrol for many flights. He wasn't that good
a pilot as what he just did. Its full right rudder.

(01:28:21):
The plane goes from flying this way the flying sideways,
so the wing is flying in the direction of motion.
It's not flying at all. The wing is pointed now
pointing in the direction or moving the tip of the wing,
so the wing is lined up with the direction of motion.
The whole side of the plane is now serving as
an air brake. So brilliant move. But he didn't do it. Yeah,

(01:28:47):
something else was flying that plane. So the plane falls
like it would be like if you got you were
in your chair, somebody pulled you twenty five feet in
the air and dropped you on hard ground. That's what
it was like when you're being strapped in. That plane
hit very hard. The wings oil can They were metal wings,

(01:29:07):
so you could hear the wings crumple, you know. Yeah,
like there was this metallic crumpling sound. And then what
you'd expect is since the plane is traveling sideways and
it's still moving side, nothing stopped it from moving sideways.
It stopped flying, but it's still moving sideways, and it
dropped out of the air and it should have went

(01:29:30):
boom like that flopped over because it's still moving sidew
it should have went boom and collapsed, and it should
have tore that left wing to pieces. It should have
just destroyed it. And it hit so hard it should
have collapsed the landing, and there's this big one hundred
foot high dust cloud from where we hit went up.

(01:29:51):
So here's all these guys sitting on the porch at
the sail port. They started running in our direction because
they heard the oil can they heard the bang, they
saw this big puff of smoke come up, and they're
running its full speed to that secondary runway. In the meantime,
Jerry finally starts moving. His name was Jerry too, and
he opens a canopy very slowly. Neither one of us

(01:30:13):
said a word. I'm still stunned at what happened. So
what happened? Instead of the wing flopping over like this,
the plane fell straight down and just stayed there. It
just stayed there for about three seconds, and then very
slowly just went That shouldn't have happened. That should not

(01:30:33):
have happened. It shouldn't have happened at all. You know,
even with what he did, the plane should have done
that and then skid it off into the pall of
dirty trees for sure, absolute laws of physical reason, it
should have. You know, the wing got crushed, the whole
rest of the plane should have skidded off into the
trees and in toward the ditch, you know, and been destroyed.

(01:30:57):
Then happened. We circled that plane in all Oh, there
wasn't a scratch on it, not a scratch nothing, that
the landing ger wasn't collapsed, the wing wasn't damaged. There
wasn't a scratch on it. And I turned to him
and he's looking stunned himself, and I said, Jerry, what happened.

(01:31:18):
He looks at me and he goes, I don't know.
Every time I think there's no God, I think of that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Yeah, yeah, right exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
And that wasn't the only time that happened. Something like
that happened two other times, so it was like it
was like three times. So if I get three serendipitous
serendipity things happening, that's the same, then one after another
three times. I'd take that as a command.

Speaker 2 (01:31:47):
A yeah, yeah, I would agree for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:31:51):
Here's the darken the light of it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
Man. There are demons, and they hit everybody. They don't
just hit Skitz, they hit you with negative intrusive thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
Yeah, I've definitely had some issues.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
You walk along your mind in your own business and
all of a sudden boom, you don't spit on this guy,
or punch that guy, or slap this guy, or do
this or do something that you would get you in trouble.
Just insane, right right, And nobody asked where do those
thoughts come from? Yeah, that's where they come from. They
come from the demonic realm. They're energetic, and all psychiatry

(01:32:26):
does is kind of pour drugs on your brain and
turn you into a zombie. They don't stop.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
It's almost like an amplification. Really, I mean some of
the things. Right. So well, Jerry, I man, you're blowing
my mind here. I've I've thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. But
I want to give you the last word. In this
interview is called or this podcast is called broadcasting Seeds.
So what I like to do is plant seeds in

(01:32:52):
people's minds, and.

Speaker 3 (01:32:53):
This is a good seed planner. Yeah. I was glad
to see that title. When you when you're contacted me.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Yeah, so do you have a seed? I mean you've
already planneded a ton. But anything else that you want
to add, well yeah, just.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
You know, nobody ever asked where your thoughts come from.
Nobody asked who's listening to those thoughts?

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:33:16):
So if you're listening to your thoughts, they're not you.
A schizophrenic is listening to the voices. Those voices aren't him. Yeah,
they're separate. So then it comes like the figure out,
Then who are you really if you're not your thoughts?
And where the thoughts come from? Manuel Swedenborg, Christian mystic

(01:33:36):
looked in the seventeenth century, said that none of your
thoughts are yours. They come from the deathric field outside,
and they match your They're like radio wage you know,
they match the frequency you're on, your vibration, your vibration,
And that's what Tesla said. Everything is frequency and vibration.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
I would agree.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
So if you're at a very low frequency, you're going
to attract very low frequency.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
Voice m perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
Yeah, and that's where schizophrenics are. They're a very low frequency.
You know. That's important.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
They let those things in, Yeah, they gave them consent.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
So I've got two or three videos on the mass
energy method on my on my website at Jerrymarsompti dot com.
So anybody who wants to learn more about it can
go there.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Awesome, So that's the best place to go as your website.
Any last words, anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:34:29):
Well, thank you for having me. Yeah, it's going to
be a downloadable link when you have one. It was
not just the YouTube link, the one I can download
to my side if.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
You want, Yes, for sure. Absolutely again, appreciate you coming on,
and man, what a way to start the episode. We
went through some technical difficulties there, so yeah, yeah, definitely weird.

Speaker 3 (01:34:54):
I got to say, that's that's common. Notice what happened
after the prayer? Yeah, I think came right back.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Right back.

Speaker 4 (01:35:01):
So all right, he who controls the line controls the war,
but first he must silence the noise. Yo.

Speaker 5 (01:35:14):
Straight from the catacombs where the scrolls was hidden, Whining
monks chat versus in the Watchman's Risen broadcast to see son,
it ain't just a show.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
It's a frequency shift.

Speaker 5 (01:35:26):
From the realm below the encrypto speech from.

Speaker 4 (01:35:30):
The outer courts with.

Speaker 5 (01:35:31):
The bloodline of kings and celestial reports Goden for lum
teching a backpack word while these reptile suits try to
sense of the word, Yo, why step through portals with
the micas my torch dropping.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Sermons so raw?

Speaker 5 (01:35:45):
They send drunks to the porch. They surveled what I
spit can't silence the flame, God, angels and camera withing
crypti names were talking black ops and black robes, falling
stars with zip codes, temple scrolls and tom CODs. Peace
with ten horns and stealth from from Mount Herman and
the Grand Canyon Faults with a Smith sonic and beveries.
Humanity's false, but we dig with the pen slight, slides

(01:36:08):
with the flow, like Elijah on the mountain when the
fire hit the show. Yo, this is spiritual warfare and
steigo holy scripts flipping through the technicolor ferrigo. You no fiction,
just friction between realms, dropping balls like Prophecy with Angelly Helm.
So when you suone in, just know what it is.

(01:36:28):
It's ancient war drums, not a podcast for kids. It's
to watch our gospel wrapped in grit broadcast. The seas
were the last ones. Legit, straight truth, no floor, rid filter,
ghost and the wires with.

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
The soul of a field up.

Speaker 5 (01:36:45):
Welcome to the front lines, the kingdom cries out. So
grab your armor, your mic and cast a doubt out.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
I want to sweat your homes and the explicit sen
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