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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
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Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, yeh yo yo, straight from the broadcast studio.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Static, everyone, we're here with Mondo Gonzalez from Prophecy Watchers. Mondo,
tell us what you do and where we can find you.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
You know, I am a co host of a television
program at Prophecy Watchers. We have a weekly television program
that airs international and I also am in charge of
content production here at profits Watchers, so podcasting and then
I do like this. I often will go on other
programs just to talk about all things Bible and archaeology.
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It's very fun. Profitcywatches dot Com is the main place
where you're kind of the portal of where people can
find us. It's you know, my background. I was a
pastor for twenty years and as well as I got
a degree in Biblical archaeology. I have a telescope, very
fancy telescope observatory where we take pictures. So I have
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a lot of hobbies, which is great, and I love
all things interesting from the time I was a little kid.
So it's been a it's been an amazing journey.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
So that's awesome, and thank you for coming on. Appreciate
it big time. Glad to be a big fan of
all the work that you guys do. So just to
let you know, so, uh, A question I ask everybody
on this program is kind of like the origin of
what brought you to this, like this genre this you know,
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Prophecy Watchers, what you know? What what brought you to
the to the world of high strangeness. I guess you
could say because it's all strange.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
It's all, it's a lot stranger than we really know.
I mean, we have some guesses, and uh, you know,
it's interesting because the way that that God created me.
I'm I'm very much a non conformist, and uh I
love I love mischief. I love going against the grain.
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You know, I wasn't, I wasn't raised a Christian in
that regard. And so I remember though being young, and
I was I was one of the late bloomers in
that I don't think I had ever really read a
single book until I was like in college, and so
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you know, you got to read things for school, but
I never was like, oh, I'm gonna go read. But
I do remember though I was about in second grade. Okay,
second grade, think about this and our little school. I
went to a Catholic grade school, and they're like, you,
we got to go to library and pick out a book.
I'm like, I don't want to read anything, and so
of course the teachers force you. So I go in
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and I'm looking around and I just like, Okay, what
book can I check out? That's gonna sit and you know,
I'll read the back cover and do a book report
on it. Because that's why I did book reports. You
read the back cover and write it, you fluff your
way through. But I came across in this little library
that was about a half the size of a room,
a book on Bigfoot. I remember it to this day,
and I was like, what is this? And so that
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made an amazing impression because it had some of the
the what's the footage? The famous footage of the patter
Patterson Patterson gid yes, and so it had some images
from that, and I was thinking, what in the world.
But that imprinted me to be interested, and so as
I as I got older, and then you know again,
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went to college and went in archaeology, which is was
very good for me in the sense of learning about
the academy, uh, but also as still having that mentality
of being a nonconformist. I recognized the limits of academia
and also the restraints. And also I would say it's
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come to a point now where it's really depressing because
in most fields you see that they have lost truly
the curiosity for thinking outside this box. And then there,
of course you follow the money. And there's other reasons
why peer review and peer review can be very healthy,
but it also is very narrowing, and so if you
don't follow the paradigm, and you're going to risk losing
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your funding and research grants and opportunities. So to me,
this kind of forced me in many ways to start
looking as we all have even before the Internet, but
looking at alternative viewpoints, but obviously looking at evidence, and
so in that regard. Then as I got older, I
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began to even stuff like, you know, twenty five years ago,
I'm following RFK, you know, about vaccinations and just go on,
wait a minute, how come this isn't being shared?
Speaker 3 (05:42):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Again, I love astronomy, That's why I have observatory, but
even things about the moon landing, and I'm not making
a comment on that simply to say that I found
it interesting, okay, like oh could this be true? Could
that be true? And then so ever since then, of
course Sea Watchers is committed to the Gospel of Jesus Christ,
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for sure, but they've also through the years have been
very interested in non traditional ideas, you know, the strange things,
the corners of the Bible, like Michael Hydrie's to say,
some of the strange corners, Chuck Missler other things, and
so coming to prophecy watchers. God just knew from the
beginning this is all these little things would bring me
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here and and I would fit in very well because
I'm very conservative, honestly, very conservative of my theology. But
I'm willing to think about some of the fun things
that you see in the Bible, which oftentimes you don't
hear on Sunday morning.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Oh yeah, no, that's right down High Alley. That's exactly
how I feel and think. I just watched the episode
that you guys did talking about I want to say,
you know what, I want to get it right, so
I'm going to look at it real quick. And it
was I think it was about Wormwood.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Oh yes, Apophes and would.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Yeah, Pophas and Wormwood. Could you go into that a
little bit because that's something that I don't feel like
it's talked about enough. That's that's something to me that's
like super I mean in certain genres, in certain spaces
it is. But I don't think people given enough thought
because what did they come out like like a month
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ago and go, oh, it's gonna come close. But it's not.
But I mean, won't South of Psych It's gonna in
like twenty twenty seven or you know what I mean,
they've changed their tune twenty eight different times.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
So well, this this is fascinating because you know it
was discovered in December of two thousand and four. It's
this asteroid is about twelve hundred feet tall, the size
of the Empire State Building, which for people's if that
helps them, but it's a big it's a big one.
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And so initially you had some some initial calculations of
the orbit which was like, wow, this thing's gonna hit
and you know it was. It was twenty oh four,
it came by again in twenty thirteen. You have the
next one on the line is twenty twenty nine, twenty
thirty six, twenty fifty two, twenty sixty seven, So you
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have a variety of things. It's it's an orbital asteroid,
but the big thing came in that once they did
some further calculations. Even when it came back around in
twenty thirteen, they were like, okay, nothing to see here.
In twenty twenty nine, April thirteenth, Friday the thirteenth of
twenty twenty nine, just coincidence. I'm sure it's going to
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it's going to come about twenty thousand miles near the Earth. Now,
just for the sake of people's understanding, if you look
at some of the Geosynchrosist Geo Secrets satellites, they're right
around twenty four thousand minds out and so there's they're stationary,
they will they'll stay in there there geostationary, okay, so
that by definition they stay there where most of your
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low Earth orbit you know, Starlink and International Space Station,
they'll range from two hundred miles to five hundred miles, okay.
So but twenty thousand miles is in between us and
those farther out satellites. The Moon is about two hundred
and fifty thousand depending on its orbit, so you're talking
one tenth distance of the Moon. So it's going to
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be coming between us and the Moon. So that created
of course a big stir Even if today if you
go to some of the standard websites, you know, even
if you start at Wikipedia and go from there, you'll
see these orbital projections when allegedly in twenty thirty six
they predicted to be like forty six million, you know,
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kilometers out, So it's pretty far away. But the reason
why it's come up to the forefront. Is a couple
of things. One would be secular and the other one
would be if you want to say religious, I'll start
with the secular. The secular you had and I think
in our video or that podcast we had the video
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by Neil Degrass Tyson. Yes, yeah, so that was help.
We wanted to show that and say, here's Neil Degrass Tyson,
a very secular, very well known, kind of no doubt
sensationalistic astronomer. Smart guy, but he loves he loves entertainment.
He loves to be you know, if you just listen
to him, he's very good.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Loves the story he does. He loves setting up with
some drama.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Oh he loves drama. You can see it right away.
So he sets it up and he describes there that
if it comes into this very what they call a keyhole,
which is very well known in astrophysics, if it comes
in during the twenty nine and hits it just right,
then it guarantees a change of its orbit where it
could hit almost for sure in twenty thirty six. So
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but the chances that are super small. Nothing is here. Well,
so you had that him making the comments and of course,
when twenty thirteen came, they described it as ah chances
there are zero, not nothing to see. Well, so that's
the secular side. Well, the religious side of it is
enter the late Tom Horne, doctor Tom Horne, who we've
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interviewed several times. I interviewed him on this a few
years ago, and he wrote two books, one called The
Messenger and another one called Wormwood, where according to him,
he years ago he received a vision from the Lord
about an asteroid that was coming and was going to
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hit the earth, and guaranteed it was going to hit
the earth. And so he felt that in what he
understood this to be was a fulfillment of the Book
of Revelation chapter eight about Wormwood and the trumpet judgments
that happened there. Well, as he was having this vision
or this or whatever, what he heard was the word of Paphus.
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And so I looked it up in the Greek, you know,
so I pronounce it apophus rather than a pophis because
people are going to write in and so it's in
the Greek. It's an omicron, it's not an omega. So
and Greek it's very clearly apopfus. Okay, So just to
put that out there. So so he hears a Paphus.
Well he doesn't really know, he said, I don't really
know much about Apophus, man, I think Apophus is some
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Egyptian chaos god or something. So he looks up Apophus
and sure enough, he then he comes across asteroid N two,
which is the code, the asteroid code for Apophus. This
this asteroid that was getting discovered in December of four.
So he started, he starts looking in. According to his writings,
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he began to talk to people at NASA and others
and and and basically there were certain people in NASA
which confided in him that NASA is officially misrepresenting the data.
And in fact, he describes some other astrophysicists who were
very clear that the data that that NASA was using
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for their orbital calculations was incorrect. And so they it
was very strong that this thing was going to hit
the Earth in twenty twenty nine. And so that led
to a whole bunch of other things and responses and
interactions about this against some other I would say, alleged
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again lies. So when I interviewed Tom, you know, he
was sharing all this and and then subsequent to that,
I did some interviews with Derek Gilbert and Josh Peck
and for Josh Peck's now is on staff with us,
which we're very happy about. And but I had asked them, hey,
are you guys aware of the that They only focused
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on the twenty twenty nine And I said, are you
guys aware of the twenty thirty six, twenty fifty two?
And they're like, no, we didn't even really realize it
was coming back around. And so I asked Tom that
when you Okay, he's he's one hundred percent a pophas.
The asteroid is wormwood. Okay, he's very that's that's his conviction.
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And I said, well, did did you hear the Lord
tell you that it would absolutely hit in twenty twenty nine?
And he said, now, the Lord did not tell me that,
So there's a possibility then that he just heard. Again,
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Tom ards a man of integrity, I got no reason
to question that. Okay, so let's just take it at
face value that wormwood and apophae are equal. My take
on it is, hey, let's not put all of our
eggs in one basket. Because the Lord did not tell
him the date he just told him there was a
there was a connection there, and so in that regard,
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I still remain open minded to twenty thirty six as
well because of other reasons. And so as we think
about the timing, because one of the things that came
up in their particular discussion and the new people can
see it on SkyWatch TV as Derek is interviewing Tom
and they have come to the conclusion that these Trumpet
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judgments are wormut specifically is at the midpoint of the
tribulation period. So what that led them to do then
is April thirteenth subtract three and a half years. It
brings you to October of twenty twenty five, So does
say July August, September October. That's three months from now.
So for them, they were thinking in terms of if
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this is going to happen in twenty twenty nine, that
three and a half years prior would be the tribulation
would begin this fall. So that kind of led them
down the road of wondering, wow, is twenty twenty five
going to be the start of something major as it
relates to tribulation or even the rapture depending on somebody's viewpoint.
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Et cetera.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Correct. Wow. Wow, I'm trying to figure out where to
go with that. I mean, you've said, I've heard you say,
Bible prophecy is often ignored and misunderstood, right, especially in
the church. So why do you think so many modern
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Christians are uncomfortable discussing these things? And this goes hand
in hand with what we were just talking about, is
how does that affect our spiritual preparedness.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Well, I've seen through the years again pastoring at several
churches at different parts of the country, even different denominations.
You know, as a pastor you have almost unlimited freedom
to each what you feel, you know the congregation needs,
and so. But what I also found was that the
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church in general, outside of maybe a Bible believing church specifically,
there's several reasons why people avoid prophecy. And one of them,
you know, if you took at the broader church, that
maybe they don't maybe they're maybe not less conservative if
you want to say that, maybe they don't really believe
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the Bible is fully God's word. It might have errors
in it. So what you do see is a de
supernaturalization of the Bible for most of them, and it's
really shocking because if you ask them, hey, do you
believe that Jesus truly was resurrected from dead a supernatural miracle,
they most likely would have to say yes, because that's
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in the Bible. It's pretty clear, you know about angels.
You believe angels exist? Well, I mean yeah, in the
Bible shows the angels. It's pretty hard to get around that,
you know. And so then you ask, well, do you
believe in angels? And they well, you know, I haven't
seen any. And so that you kind of see this waffling. Well,
when it comes to prophecy, I think there's a the
other layer to that is, there's several Another layer is
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number one in the church, which I know people who
let's say, they love God, they love the Gospel, they're
solid in their faith, and they're brothers and sisters of Christ.
But maybe they come from more of a maybe let's say,
a covenant theology perspective, or even a reform perspective in
some ways, and so not I'm just I'm painting very
general here, okay, But but for them when they think
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about prophecy, many of them are maybe a millennial. They
don't believe that there's a real physical millennium that is
going to happen in the future. It's more spiritual in nature.
So they begin to either allegorize or look at scripture
in a metaphorical or figurative way. And so when they're
looking at some of these prophecies, like the Book of
Revelation or others Matthew twenty four, all of a discourse,
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they tend to dismiss it. Again, well, that has no connection.
It's spiritual and whatever. Really that means. So you have
that aspect of it. Another layer, which I saw often
surprisingly in the church where even where I passored, was
that it is true the psychological adage that people fear
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the unknown. So when when you think about eschatology, you know,
when you're in seminary, you might get two weeks on eschatology,
I mean, or it's really really low. And so a
lot of the pastors today haven't spent much time on it.
Maybe it's not an interest. I mean, I'm just interested
in it anyway. So but and that's fine. But they
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so they're not knowledgeable of it. And if it's true
for them a seminary grad, how much more is it
probably true for the congregation? And so the idea of
talking about these things that can be very scary. In
the Book of Revelation, I mean, you have half of
the world dying, you have asteroids coming in, and you
have all these plagues, judgments, et cetera. Sometimes people like,
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I don't know, that's too overwhelming. Some people get anxiety.
So you have that layer where people don't want to
hear about it. But what that does is it brings
you back to what you just said. Hey, look, whenever
I speak anywhere, I always end with two verses. And
these are commands. These are in the Greek. They're imperatives.
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They're commands that Jesus gave. And the first one is
in Mark thirteen thirty seven, and he's given a description
of these big, big overview events are going to happen
at the end of the age. And he wraps it
up and says, look what I say to you, I
say to everyone, watch, You're commanded to watch. Okay, some
people don't obey that command because for all the other
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reasons we discussed.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Well.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
The second thing I always lead them with is Luke
nineteen thirteen, where Jesus again is describing his return and
he says, occupy until I come, so be busy about
the kingdom. You know, we're not going to go build
a commune and separate ourselves from the world and have
our ten years supply of food and water and off
the grid. Occupy be about the Lord's work. And so
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when it comes to preparedness, sorry, people, because they're either
fearful or they'd have the wrong theology, or they haven't
been trained, or they're overwhelmed, they don't spend the time
learning and watching. And that is unfortunate because when you
look at the world today, you know, again most of
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my family is not saved. And so but yet they
will say to me, well, what do you do again?
You know, I've been I've been a pastor. You know,
what do you do again?
Speaker 3 (21:43):
What do you?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
And I said, but they go, what do you think
is happening in the world. The world's getting a little crazy.
So even for them, they're beginning to see this discot
what is going on in the world and is it
heading in a direction? In The answer is yes.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I have one of those people that, yeah, I think
spiritual preparedness is way more important than I mean, people
don't look at it. The one they hear preparedness and
all they hear is, yeah, the ten years of food
and all the you know, all the prepper stuff, but
I'm not sure that's all necessary. At the end of
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the day. You need to be spiritually prepared and be
right with yourself and your relationship with you know, God
and Jesus. That's my take. So I'm going to go
straight La Marzouli on you, hm, and I guess I
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want to know your take on like the Nephlin narrative
and it's connection with the modern day cryptids, UFOs and
or even transhumanism, and are we witnessing a return of
the days of Noah in your opinion.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
You know, that's a great question because and there's a
lot to say about it. You know, I going back again.
I got saved in nineteen ninety three, and you know,
I'm eighteen years old. I'm a young, foolish kid. But
soon after that I began to really I love the Bible,
Love the Bible, Love the Bible. And I began to
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listen to as most people, a guy named Chuck Missler. Okay,
and so one of the things that he was very
good at was expository teaching. He would just pick a
book and I would go through the book with him.
And one of the books that I had was I
had all almost all of his commentary sets on audio
tape and at night I worked at nights all night long.
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I'd put the headphones in and I would just listen.
And one of them certainly came across was Genesis six
and just reading it in a straightforward way. And now
you know in seminary and others. You know, I learned
Hebrew and Greek and other things. And so now having
the ability to look at you know, this in the
original language, I can tell you that it is. It
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is not unclear. It is so crystal clear. And what
I find fascinating about it is that you know when
you outline it out. And I had that chance of
joining with la. He wrote a book called Countermove, and
so he had asked me to write a chapter in
the book. And so people can find it if they
search my mondounzelz Academia page, they'll find it there. It's
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it's called a brief look at the pre and post
flood origins of the Nethelene. And so I went kind
of a deep dive in that paper and outlined the
text and blocked you know blocked it out and any English,
but I did my own translation and everything. But all
I'm saying is that it shows you crystal clear that
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you're introduced to these sons of God, which I know
in the New Testament that language can refer to human being.
But nowhere, and not a single time in the Old
Testament is that language use of a human being. It's
just not. You have that in Genesis sixty two, sixty four,
Job one six, job chapter two, verse one. So you
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have Job thirty eight six and seven. So you have
this very specific bene ha elohem, this phrase, and it's
it's super easy. This isn't this isn't rocket science, super easy.
Highlight the passage, right click and search and you'll find it.
So this language does not again, that phrase only appears
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and only refers to non human beings. Okay, call them
angels if you want. That's not exactly precise under the
Old Testament. So I describe all that in there. But
so what you have is in reality, this begins in
Genesis three fifteen, which we often call Gary Steerman has
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written a lot about this as well, my partner here
as a host about the seed, and it's very clear
in Genesis three fifteen that God is speaking, and he's
speaking in this sense to Satan, and he says, you know,
there's going to be enmity between you and the woman
and between the Satan's seed and the woman seeds Zarah
and Hebrew. And so it's interesting that if you most scholars,
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an all scholars would say, what's that referring to? And
they would say, well, ultimately, this is the first time
that you have a presentation of the gospel, so to speak.
They call it the proto evangelium, the first mention of
this evangelical good news in that a redeemer is going
to be coming from the seed of the woman, okay.
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And most people say that's going to be Jesus. Okay,
those don't Jesus as a human Luke chapter three. We
see his genealogy there. But what you see there in
parallel is the seed of the woman, which is Jesus.
And Zira is a word that refers to sperm. It
refers to the seed, can refer to offspring, your seed,
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and but they're very clear it's it's the seed of
the woman. It's the offspring. It's the physical seed of
the woman, which seems odd, right, because women don't have seeds,
they have eggs. Okay, but that's kind of makes it
even more interesting. So the parallel would be then that
you're not only you're going to have the offspring of
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the woman in a physical way, but that you'd have
offspring of the serpent in a physical way. And of
course we know in First John. Again that's getting to
a different book, but First John describes those who are
children of the devil versus children of God, and no
doubt that is in reference to spiritual offspring. Okay, but
again I don't want to read the theology of John,
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which was way later back in the Genesis. So we
need to let the Bible say what it says. Okay,
So if you follow Genesis three fifteen, you come to
Genesis six where these these these these non humans, these
non sons of Adam, because that's what it says. It says,
the sons of God saw that the daughters of Man.
So now you have a genus there, they saw the
daughters of Man, that they were beautiful. It doesn't say
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the daughters of Seth are the daughters of Cain, which
is the typical seth I view. It doesn't call the
sons of God. Seth has nothing. I mean, people bring
this up and you're like, you're reading into the text,
it does not say any of that, you're forcing it. Okay, Well,
then you see this again Genesis sixth narrative, where you
have in seed form these these non human beings coming
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down and mating with human women and producing these offspring
which are called nepheline. And in Michael Heiser in his
book Unseen Realm, he has a whole chapter on this,
which I would encourage people they want to get to
the nitty gritty on it, and when you get into
some of the Hebrew grammar and Hebrew morphology, it's it
can be pretty technical. But in that book he says
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the typical idea is that the nepheleine comes from the
Hebrew word in the fall, which means fallen woods. But
that is not what it means. It actually comes from
an Aramaic derivative meaning giant. Okay, so you see this
if you translate it, if you look at the Septuiten version,
which is the Greek translation, you know in two seventy
five PC they use the word giant. So all that
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to say, let's follow the pattern for a moment. Genesis
three fifteen, you have a seed war introduced. Genesis six,
you have these these fallen non human entities coming down
meeting with human when producing these hybrid offspring, which that's all.
It says they were there before and after the flood. Well,
then the flood happens and you allegedly all of them drown,
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which I have no problem with that. The text is
pretty clear that all of anything that had the breath
of life. It says over fifty different superlatives in Genesis
six through eight that everything drown and died. Well, then
in Genesis fourteen, all of a sudden you have the
refiem appear. They're in the land of Bashan. These are
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clearly in the books of Moses, from Genesis to Deuteronomy.
Rafaemus always refers to a physical giant, okay, a physical hybrid,
and they appear in Genesis fourteen out of nowhere. Okay, Well,
then you don't see anything anything more until you come
to the Israelites go down into the land of They
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go down to Egypt there for you know, centuries. On
their way back, of course, they spy out the land
and they see the nepheline numbers thirteen thirty three. Oh my,
the nephil are here, and the whole land, the whole
land of Canaan now is filled. So Bashan is not northeast.
What we understand is the goldl on Heights today. The
whole land is filled. So what is Satan doing. He's
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filling the land with these hybrids in order to thwart
God's plan of giving the land to Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob and their descendants. Okay, it's pretty clear. So in
Genesis twelve, God says Abraham, I'm gonna give you this land.
And now over the centuries it gets filled with refine.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
And the geography is kind of it's not you say,
it's the goal on Heights is which is what's there?
Mount Herman?
Speaker 4 (31:16):
So Mount Herman so so this so what you see there? Yeah,
but Sean is right, I mean Mount Herman is right there.
And so of course, so we haven't even brought up
Enoch yet, because some people get freaked out if you
bring up enough. Okay, I'm just stay in with the text.
So let's just stay with the text for a moment.
That biblical text. Okay, So you have all of this happening.
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Of course they see the nepheline there, they freak out. Well,
then they respond with doubt. Now fast for forty years,
forty years in the wandering, they're coming back. One of
my favorite passages that I encourage people to look at
this again. We're asking about that the foundation here, and
that is if people read Deuteronomy chapter two and three.
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Most is recounting to them he's on mountain Ebo and
they're getting ready to go on the land, and they're
getting ready to fight all these giant plans, these Rafae plans,
these on Akeene plants. And he says, okay, by the way,
as we were coming down, you know, from the from
the from the Cadisparni area, we're coming south and then
we're going east and we're coming up the dead seas
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here they're coming up around and they're going to cross
over into the land, uh where Jericho is right. Well,
he says, oh, well, hey, the Zamzamin we're living over
there in mount Sair and and eat them and Mohab
and God killed them in times past. You didn't need
to worry about them. Oh, then you have the the
e meme and the Zamzuman. You have all these names,
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and God's like, oh yeah, I got killed those before.
You didn't need to worry about those giants. All tall
and giants. Okay, So the whole area now is filled.
But God had already taken out many of them already,
and Moses is just recounting this as being history. But
he says, this time, I'm going to use you, Israel,
and I'm gonna as you to kill and destroy all
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these other Nephelene Honakin tribes in the land. So you
have this big battle in the Book of Joshua, and
we see in Joshua chapter eleven, verses twenty one through
twenty three that Joshua's doing so well with the Aniquin
that they flee. They flee west out of the land,
escaping and trying not to die. And they land where
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we understand mostly are the Philistine cities, the five Pentapolis cities,
Gath and at Krone, and Ashtowed and so you just
see Gaza, no doubt, all of them there. You see
him listen. Well, then you don't see anything with the
giants for several centuries at least written they're still in
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the land because for Samuel seventeen, we get introduced to
this guy from Gath named Goliath, and so and his
brothers and.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Are still around.
Speaker 4 (33:57):
They're still around. So this is the history of what
you have. Again, we haven't mentioned Enoch really even once
in all this. This is the history biblically of what
you have in the story. And then really, after the
Book of Samuel, you don't really see the giants appearing,
at least living anymore in the Biblical record. Later what
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we do see is in the writings of Josephus. He's
writing around ninety eighty or so, first century, and he
talks about, oh, the giants, the bones of the giants
are here to this day on display. Wow, look at that.
So it's in the Bible. It's there. It provides a
background of this long war. And so all that to say,
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when Jesus says in Matthew twenty four that the days
of the sun of Man in his return will be
like the days of Noah, don't read this like a
twenty first century American Christian we're reading. We read a
sanitized version. Think of it as Jesus is there in
the first century, and the bones are standing. The bones
over there Josephus tells us and in their backdrop in
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the second period, second Temple period, you have, of course,
we know this now from the Dead Sea Scrolls. There's
lots of writing's massive milieu of writings and histories, and
the Book of First Enoch was there. And so Jude
Jude one verse six and second Peter twenty four both
give reference to this understanding right out of the Book
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of Enoch. I mean, we know the Jude chapter one
fourteen quotes Enoch, so the Book of First nix. So
there's no doubt Peter and Jude are relying on this
book at providing some level of connection to historical least understanding.
Whether the whole Book of First Enoch is history or not,
people can debate that. But what we can't debate is
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that the New Testament writers were speaking into into a
culture that understood that as the background. The whole Sethite
theory didn't come until the second and third centuries.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
They all knew they into the Book of enough.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Absolutely, It'd be like if me quoting you know, Tolkien
today or you know, giving a quote from Gandalf people.
I'm not quoting it as necessarily scripture, but if I
made a reference, well you know, Gandalf says, and they'd
be like, and they saw the connection there. They would understand, Oh,
it's yeah, who I mean, some people might say that,
but if you quoted And I did this in one
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of the classes one time, one of our Sunday school classes.
I said, look at the language that Peter and Juter
using chains, eternal chains, darkness, tartarus, all of these. I said,
where's Peter getting this information from? And then I went
through the Book of First Enoch and I pulled out
all of these exact same phrases and put him side
by side, and I go, where's Peter getting it from?
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He's getting it clearly from the Book of Enoch, and
he's putting it inspired scripture. So to me, you know,
do I believe Enoch is inspired scripture? No? I don't.
There's a lot of challenges with First Enoch. And but nevertheless,
they quoted it and they referenced it, and they made
allusions to it because that was the understanding of the time.
So again, going back when Jesus said, like the days
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of Noah, they weren't simply just thinking oh, well, people
were unaware. People are you know, building and planting. Even
though that's all true, they were thinking in terms of
supernatural intervention into humanity genetically and other things. It was
complete chaos. That is what the first century person would
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have thought of.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, for sure. So any connection to modern day cryptids
UFOs in your opinion.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Well, let me tell you something interesting here.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
So and he brought up Bigfoot earlier, so.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Did Yeah, And I said, we're onus drive and we're
on Sesquas Drive here, so yeah. So uh again, the
I've been fascinated by uh, you know, certainly Bigfoot as
most people have for a long time. And uh as
a cryptid for sure. And it's fascinating because you know,
I pastored a church in southwest Washington right at the
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basically the gateway to Mount Saint Helen's right.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
No, And and when I was there, the Gifford Pinchot
National Force, the church I was at was it was
It was truly like if you went if you went northeast,
hundreds and hundreds of miles, you would go before you
got to the east side of the Cascades. So this
is Bigfoot country, one hundred percent that area. And in
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talking to people there, several people in the church are like, oh,
I've seen them. It's it's not about it's not about belief.
Around here. People have seen them. And these are people
that have hunted, you know, their entire life. And so
what you insult them when you say, are you sure
it wasn't a bear? They they would be like, I'm
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gonna punch you in the face. I know what a
barrel excited. I've killed many bears, you know, so, and
I've gotten them and I've skinned him, so I know
what a barrel looks like. This was not a bear.
So so, but all that to say is that there
comes a point in research and scientific research where anecdotal evidence,
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you know, and these we're talking about military or talking
about ex police, we're talking about forest rangers, sheriffs, you
name it. All these very reputable pair of people are
going no, I know what I saw. Okay. But secondly,
a couple of weeks ago, I was at the Tim
Alberino conference, Yeah, and in Bozeman, and it was a
(39:36):
good conference and a lot of interesting things. But one
of the fascinating speakers there who I had watched all
of his material was David Politis missing four one one. Well,
he's not just involved missing four one one. That's a
whole nother fun topic or kind of weird topic, scary
topic in many ways, serious topic. But he did a
(39:57):
presentation on bigfoot, and he said, listen, I wanna I've
written a lot of bigfoot. I've studied this, of course,
because it just it's it interacted. It was interacting with UFOs.
That's a whole nother story. But this presentation that he
gave was his latest research. And what I appreciated about
this presentation and I'm looking to find it. I want
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to get it. I'd actually pay money for it is
he said, listen, I'm gonna talk about big foot today
and I'm just going to give you one hundred percent science,
one hundred percent science. So what he did was the
day before Tim, and Tim was speaking about the Parrakas
schools and a lot of stuff that I had done
with LA and down in Peru and our DNA research,
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et cetera. So that's a whole nother story. But Politis said, hey, tomorrow,
he said, this morning, you guys were talking about all
the stuff in LA and they were talking about the DNA.
He goes, tomorrow, make sure to come to my message
because I'm going to reveal some things that connect with that.
And I was like, so, I called, LA, when's the
last time you talked to David Politis?
Speaker 3 (41:02):
You know?
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Do you what? Do you know what he's gonna talk about?
He goes, no, I haven't talked to him a while.
So okay, So I'm sitting there front row, man, I'm like,
front row. So he goes shot and he's given his presentation,
but he says, we got DNA from Bigfoot, from sasquash,
and he said, look, I sent this off to I know,
two hair experts, and the hair experts when they're looking
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at this hair under electron mike, you know, microscopes and stuff,
they're they're like, this isn't human. Just the way it's designed,
it is definitely not human hair, et cetera. We don't
know exactly what it is, but from our this is
not typical human hair. Okay. So he's like, so he said,
look scientifically over here, hair's not human. He goes, But
then we send it up for DNA, he goes. And
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the way that we're able to get the DNA is
we put we put tape around these trees. There's packing tape,
right and he says, we put like bacon grease up
really high ten feet. Well, he goes, we we had
to get the hair with the follicles. He goes, we
got hair at follicles, pulled the so they sent it
in and the DNA, he goes, this is where it
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matches up with what LA was doing. He said. The
DNA came. He goes, the DNA came back on the
mother's side. But the mitochondrial DNA, which we got a
lot of from the ancient DNA, but we could not
get the nuclear side, which is the paternal side, the
father's side. That the DNA that we had is ancient,
so it was very degraded. Uh. Nuclear DNA degrades much
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more depending on its preservation, et cetera, et cetera. Well,
he got something that was recent, right, it wasn't ancient.
So when he got the results, he said, we got
the mitochondrial DNA and the DNA he goes, it connects
with what LA found, which is what we found. It
comes from the Middle East. The maternal line. Yeah, all
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the haplogroups.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
So then well that worked too. We understood context, right,
We're you know, so I knew what you meant, so,
he said, but the nuclear DNA matches nothing in the
genetic database. So the woman's the mitochladure DNA showed that
it was human. The male side nothing showing in the
(43:17):
genetic days. So what does that show. It shows a hybrid,
he said. This is kind of weird because the hair
is not human, but the DNA is a hybrid, which
is Genesis six right out of the book. It's and
so you have a a human woman side and an
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unknown father side, which is exactly what we have again
in Genesis six. And so when you when we think about, uh,
these cryptids or these other things like that, what did
we say, Well, we're still lacking a lot of information,
but what we know is we have, for the first time,
we have DNA evidence that this creature is a hybrid.
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To me, this isn't We've gone past the move tinfoil hat.
You know, we're beyond that. Now, we're beyond the can
we just to see. This is where conventional archaeology just
has a hard time because they're not allowed to talk
like this. But we're after data. We're after I mean,
for like for our work in Peru, which I won't
get into except to say, we took eighteen samples from
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our fifty eight samples from eighteen different schools bone teeth, hair,
et cetera. From just to get be redundant, send them
to several labs. They came back. I listed it all
in a in a in a in a graph. It
all came back perfectly matching double blind studies. I mean
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it was it wasn't contaminated because we couldn't find nuclear DNA. Look,
if my DNA was in there, it would have been like, oh,
we found that, we found the nuclear DNA, Okay, clearly,
so it wasn't in there. So it just reminds us
that what we're dealing with and right now with these
cryptids that were beyond just anecdotal, which to me is interesting.
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We get there's footprints. I encourage people to to check
out Jonathan Dover, a Navajo ranger. Uh you could, you
could see here he's on He's done a lot of stuff.
He's on Blurry Creatures a couple of times, but he's
done his own, uh presentation.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
Doesn't he work out its space Wolf Navajo Ranger.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
Well, I think he's he just retired in the past
couple of years. I think but he might have been there.
I don't. I don't know, but he's got he He goes, Oh,
I tried. He goes, this, I tracked bigfoot.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
There was two of them. There was two of the
Navajo rangers and there their story is amazing, amazing.
Speaker 4 (45:51):
And the guy's at boarding at Christian He's like, look,
I don't have an axe to grind. I didn't I
didn't walk into this. He goes, but I can just
tell you that I tracked him. I track pickfoot for
like a mile of footprint, footprint, foot foot and then
all of a sudden, in the middle of the field,
it just vanishes. So these are the when we talk
about fun stuff, mysterious stuff, fringe stuff, blurry stuff, using
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that it's a good word. It is here we are,
and I find it amazing.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
What's amazing with David and the DNA that he's talking
about is that so many of the labs that tested
that stuff had no idea what they were testing. And
that's just amazing to me. Like they went through their
protocols and did everything. And that's one of the things
that like the study that that was doesn't really talk
(46:42):
about is that they literally well it's because people won't
acknowledge it.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
They won't acknowledge it.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
But but yes, just just amazing. Yeah, he's got a
lot of info. It's just just that whole DNA studies fascinating,
gets very sciency very fast. But the other big one
of the other big things with that is that the hair,
normal human hair, you can get DNA just from the
(47:09):
human hair. You don't need the tag and they could
draw no DNA from the hair at all. So they
had to get skin tags to even get the mitochondrial DNA,
which is absolutely.
Speaker 4 (47:22):
So it was It was interesting because one of the
slides that he showed, which was great, he said, look,
here's a normal human hair and if you see inside
of the hair is this tube. It's just it's clear,
he said, and the DNA is in there. He goes,
but here is this non human hair, which again purportedly
was a sasquash hair, and he says, look at it,
it's fragmented, and he goes, there's you can't so therefore
(47:44):
that that tube is broken up. That's why you can't
get DNA. That's why you needed the follicle in order
to get the skin. And so you know, again we're
our world is tremendously interesting, and you know, some Christians
can't handle it, some academics can't handle it. And again,
whatever their motives are, I don't know. I don't read hearts.
(48:05):
But the fact of the matter is to me, I'm
here to follow the data and the evidence, but also
to be cautious. It doesn't mean I'm jumping into every
conspiracy theory there is. But hey, and so we're I
was just talking to La today about it, because we're
going to reach out to said David Politis. Because what
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we've done is we've taken some of our DNA and
we've run it through what's called next generation sequencing, which
is just again technology is moving really really fast, and
it's able to show us much more of the makeup
and the percentages of what a human being or creature
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or any sort of thing that you would send in.
It could be like, oh, yeah, well this is definitely
seventy percent or this is ninety eight percent chimpanzee. Okay,
because well the genail project that they've were in the
database is all open and you're able to plug it
in there and you go, oh, well this again here
it is. So what we were able to LA is
going to be sharing this in the future. So kind
(49:13):
of a little sneak peak here is that some of
the stuff that we discovered with the Procus goals is
that they're like only ninety six percent you know, human,
which is very, very fasting. And so we're doing these
we're continuing trying to get better DNA in order to
run this next generation secrecing. But can you imagine to
to be able to do this with this recent hair
(49:36):
And so we're going to try to connect him in
see if he can do some next generation sequencing on
this stuff to get even a better profile of what
it is.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
Yeah, that's amazing. Let's transition just to touch and so
we got a little bit of time left. You've written
extensively on the Rett Haffers and the role the Third Temple,
So you don't need to do a deep dive because
my audience knows I've done more than one episode on
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the Red Hafers. But what what are you if you
found anything new or like, what is the latest news
that you have about this development, this developing situation.
Speaker 4 (50:25):
I guess yeah, yeah, it's it really is a movement.
It's there's the Third Temple movement. Which has been in works,
you know, for twenty years or so. But the latest
thing is just this week, Israel National News released a
five second video of a red cow burning like in
flames on a on a pyre burning. And I had
(50:50):
reached out to Byron Stinson, who is the uh basically
the owner of the cows, the five cows that went
to Israel, and his group is called Bone Israel b
O n e H Israel Bone Israel dot com, and
he said that he posted something on Facebook and he said, yes,
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it was us. We took one of the disqualified cows
and we burned it as a practice run. And that's
a big deal because the desire is still to perform
the ceremony. You can tell by the background if you've been,
if you know, Israel is very unique, so you can
if you see something, you're like, oh, I know where
(51:31):
that is? Okay. So this was done in Samaria, not
down in the amount of Olives, because according to the Rabbis,
and they will not deviate from this, the actual ceremony
needs to happen on the Mount of Olives, which is
east of Jerusalem across the Kidron Valley. They owned two
pieces of property there I document this all in my book,
(51:52):
the entire background, and so that just happened this week,
and so it is not going away. They are trying
to keep the momentum going as it relates to the
status quo. We've seen recently as well. Inamar Ben Gavier,
the National Security Minister since December of twenty twenty two,
has continues to go up on the Temple Mount. He's
(52:14):
trying to push and change the status quo. Now they
he has changed because he's security minister. He's instructed the
police there not to interfere. Now Jews are singing, they're dancing,
they're praying.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
I watched the video the other day and I was
like flabbergasted because even two years ago that would have
never happened, would not have happened, and so this would
have been people would have been it would have been contested. Yeah, absolutely, yep.
Speaker 4 (52:42):
So things are changing very quickly. And again all this
is showing us to me that we're at the end
of the age. We're at the end of the age.
The time is I'm not saying it's next week. I
got out on a date center. But this wasn't happening
two years ago, five years ago, twenty years ago, and
people need to be aware, Hey, prophecy is moving forward,
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it will be fulfilled.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
I mean, are how many heifers are still viable? I
mean because you get all kinds of rumors and hearsay.
Speaker 4 (53:16):
Well, Byron, I mean I a couple of months ago,
I was with Byron in Kansas and so at a
museum there and I asked him, he goes Mondo, there's
a lot of rumors. Out of the five that we
brought over, two are still one hundred percent at least
qualified from a preliminary perspective. So so now what what
(53:38):
is not often told in public is that there are dozens,
dozens in the wings that are being bred and some texaple.
Speaker 3 (53:50):
At multiple farms too multiple, So.
Speaker 4 (53:55):
This isn't they do have to be two years and
one month old. There's no upper a limit. So the
fact of the matter is that these are the The
publicity just is focused on, well the four now because
they got they took one and she in Shiloh in Israel.
But oh, absolutely, there's there's some of the wings.
Speaker 3 (54:13):
Yeah, I've I've just did an episode not that long
ago and I was explaining that they have a whole
nother uh generation already bred, so this this isn't a
thing that's now a anomaly. And and the population of
red heifers they're trying to make this happen. And that's
(54:37):
a change, right, I mean, that's a huge change. So
I mean that's one of those things that uh I
mean and a lot so many people think it's uh yeah,
because you you do that and you start building that
temple thing, everything changes, everything.
Speaker 4 (54:54):
Everything, everything changes.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
And that's what I That's what I keep trying to audience.
I'm like, listen, and then you've got correlations with Donald
Trump and things, and right, it all gets wacky. But
that's like a whole other episode, so.
Speaker 4 (55:11):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
So we're at fifty five minutes. So what I'd like
you to do is this is podcast is called Broadcasting Seeds,
and it's about planting seeds and you know, people's minds
and letting it grow. Right, So I want to give
you the the last word on and plant some seeds
(55:34):
or plant a seed in the audience's mind.
Speaker 4 (55:39):
Amen. You know it's interesting because you know, everybody's different.
But one of my favorite verses is verse Peter three fifteen,
where Peter says, always be ready to give a defense
for the reason of the hope that you have right
and my life at eighteen years old is I'm very analytical.
(56:01):
I'm very evidence oriented. I love apologetics. And that's why again,
let me down the roads of academic study that I
try to because I get even archaeology. I want what's
the evidence with the facts you know? And that's good,
it's good training. He helps you think in those ways.
But at the end of the day, God does not
ask us to believe in things that are foolish or irrational,
(56:22):
or illogical or unreasonable. And so when you look at
the Bible, especially Prophecy Isaiah forty one twenty one, people
look this up. God says, hey, bring all the religions
of the world. Let's bring them all together. Let's go.
Let's go bring them all together. And he says, present
your case. So God is presenting this like a lawyer, present,
bring forth your case, and let's examine it. And what
(56:43):
he says there is He says, Look, God is the
only one that can predict the future, and he foretells,
I'll tell you what was from the past and what's
going to happen in the future. This is why the
Bible is the most unique book in the entire world
because it is the only book that predicts events that
are going to happen in advance, whether it's messianic prophecy
about Jesus' birth in Bethlehem hundreds of years centuries in advance,
(57:08):
or we're talking about end time events. Okay, that's objective.
People go look this. The Dead Sea scrolls is an example,
the Isaiah Scroll two hundred BC, so two hundred years
before Jesus was born. Isaiah fifty three is in there,
Isaiah seven fourteen is in there. So it is documented historically,
objective fact. So to me, the Bible is the word
(57:30):
of God in that regard. And then of course when
you look at archaeology, archaeology can show you that, you know,
the Bible says Hezekiah lives, Isaiah lives, and they find
the bull and the seals of all these people. So
I look at it. These are objective things, and I go,
you know what, this points us to the reality of
the Gospel of Jesus Christ, that we're all sinners and
(57:51):
we need a savior, and Jesus died to save sinner.
That's the message, that's the seed and so I encourage
people in their own minds don't just missed the Bible.
And so there are are there, There are these interesting,
other fun things we were discussing today. But if it
doesn't bring us back a lot of that, we might
not ever well, not at least in this world. We
(58:11):
might not know all the details. But we're getting these
hints of the supernatural. We're getting hints that we are
entering into this age of hybrids and other things. But ultimately,
may we not miss the fact that we need to
be ready at all times because I could die today.
And the goal is to have your faith in the
Lord Jesus Christ himself, because salvation is found only in him,
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not any of the other religions of the world. This
is why the Bible is that unique. And so that's
the seed I would put out there, is to say, hey, everybody,
get this right, get your salvation right, and then let's
explore all these topics because they're they're fun and they're fascinating.
Speaker 3 (58:48):
Absolutely. I am a big com proponent. You brought up
Tolkien earlier, and I constantly say that we need to
get Peter Jackson, the the uh director and producer of
the Lord of the rings movies to do the Bible
agreed exactly and uh and run with that and then
(59:10):
we'll see how many people become believers and so am
get the message out I uh and and in a
completely supernatural way where people you know, it's like wow,
I can only imagine those visuals. So thank you so
much for coming on. Any last words other than and
(59:31):
where can you find you again?
Speaker 4 (59:33):
Yep, prophsowatches dot com. You can find us there. We're
always busy again podcasting and other things. And up keep
watching it. You know, we hear. We share about the
news all the events. We're trying to approach it through
a biblical perspective and we're entering entering into a very
fascinating time. Uh that is unprecedented in history, but even
(59:54):
in modern history. And so there's there's nothing to be bored.
If you're bored, you don't have a pulse. Okay, So
good times.
Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
And we're living absolutly. So thank you again for coming on,
and thanks for having to do it again later and another time.
Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
Hey, amen, come back anytime.
Speaker 2 (01:00:11):
Yea, yeah, yeah. Joe, Joe from the corners of the
Unknown to the eye of the Storm. This that broadcast
gospel where the rebel is born fourth watch time and
shadows start climbing when the church lights them.
Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
It's the beast that's blinding.
Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Whispers in the trees, eyes behind leaves, they say, eight
feet tall with a mine that deceives. Bigfoot wearing camel,
speaking in tongues. DNA tests came back. Angel blooding is long.
How you'm playing preacher, I'm spraying ether, dropping storms, and
you speaker like a grim gate keeper. Cia files with
the corners burn while you netflix chilled the dimensions turn
(01:00:53):
y'all want both the planet braw in the soil with
glips from the scrolls and aluminum foil.
Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
Mk Ultra dreams.
Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Out of schemes, falling stars falling.
Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
Deep in your live stream.
Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
He code barjass from satellites of the Abyss, where demons
take the mic and false profit hiss when I cut
through lies with the righteous blade like the archangel mic
in a tactical ray Hu Tang start swinging mixed with revelation,
martial arts of the mind. No need for station this podcast.
They for the fate of the fakes, for the lions
and the den that.
Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
Refused to break.
Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
We light torches in the tunnels of doubt, drop bars
like lips that the ancient shallow soon in tapp in
the seeds are alive, broadcasting truth till the Matrix died
the Saint cloud. This is mission, This is Kingdom Vision,
where the veils getting thinned and the watch is still listen.
So pull your hoodie low, grab your sword and your scroll.
We going deep underground where the secrets unfold.