December 8, 2025 • 42 mins
This episode explores the intriguing and controversial story of Project Serpo, an alleged alien exchange program during the Cold War. The narrative intertwines historical events, such as the Betty and Barney Hill abduction case, with claims of a secret deal between the U.S. government and extraterrestrial beings from the Zeta Reticuli star system. The discussion delves into the origins of the Serpo mythos, the supposed experiences of 12 American volunteers sent to an alien world, and the broader implications of government secrecy and the quest for truth regarding extraterrestrial life.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Broadcast Seeds in the minds of the beat.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Okay, picture this. It is the middle of the Cold War,
nuclear drills in American schools, Spies trade secrets under dim
street lights. You got rockets, punging holes in the upper atmosphere,
and on paper, the biggest question on every general's mind
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is who gets to space first, who gets better missiles?
Who blinks in the staring contest that could end the world.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
But what if?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Off the books, the real contest was not East versus West,
it was Earth versus everyone else. Welcome back to Broadcasting Seeds.
I'm your host, Ben Tantan, and today we are walking
straight into one of the strangest what ifs in Ufu lore.
A story that looks like science fiction, reads like a
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classified Apollo mission, and somehow refuses to die even after
decades of debunking attempts and Internet drama. This episode is
about Project Serpo, the alleged alien exchange program. According to
the story buried somewhere in the deep, black budget world
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of American intelligence, there was once a deal. Not a
treaty with Moscow, not some handshake with NATO, a deal
between the United States government and a non human civilization
said to be from the Zeta Reticuli star system, a
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real binary star about thirty nine light years away in
the constellation Reticulum. If that name rings a bell, it should.
Zeta Reticuli is the same system that got tied to
the famous Betty and Barney Hill abduction case from nineteen
sixty one, after Betty drew a strange star map under
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hypnosis and an amateur astronomer later argued it matched that
specific starfair. That incident became known as the Zeta Reticular incident,
and it helped cement that star system in UFO legend
long before anybody ever whispered the word surpo. Fast forward
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a few years, and the Surpos story says something even
wilder happened. According to leaked briefing documents and anonymous insiders,
an alien craft landed at a secure US facility in
the mid nineteen sixties. A group of twelve countum twelve
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American military specialists supposedly volunteered for what amounted to a
one way deployment, no return date, no guarantee that they
will ever see Earth again. Their destination an alien world
orbiting those twin sons. The story claims they trained for years,
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learned basic alien symbols, They got poked, they got scanned
and conditioned for low gravity and strange radiation. Then somewhere
around nineteen sixty five, they boarded a non human craft
and left Earth behind. For thirteen years, those twelve allegedly
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lived on another planet, tried to understand an alien society,
and kept records of their daily life so that if
they ever came home, somebody in a windowless room in
Washington could read about it and quietly decide what to
do with the truth. On the surface, it just sounds ridiculous,
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and it should. It has all the ingredients of a
late night cable movie, a secret team, an alien world,
a mission that starts with a handshake and ends with
missing people and classified medical reports. But here's why this
one will not go away. During the exact same Cold
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War period, our government really did run programs that sound
like bad sci fi. The Stargate Project, for example, was
a real, declassified Army and DIA effort that tried to
use remote viewing and other psychic techniques to gather intelligence.
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Their own paperwork describes parapsychological interactions and human experiments that
went on for years before being shut down in the
nineties and later exposed through FOYA. So when the SERPO
materials started appearing publicly in the early two thousands, it
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attached itself to a very real pattern weird black projects,
hidden budgets, things that sound insane. Until thirty years later
you find the PDF stamp formerly classified sitting on the
CIA website like it was nothing. That is the tension
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we are going to live in this episode. On one side,
you have serious problems with the SERPO story. One of
the early alleged insiders, Richard Dodie, has a long history
of being tied to UFO disinformation and admitted psychological games.
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Researchers have pointed out contradictions in the timelines, physics, issues
with the travel, and the complete lack of heart evidence.
On the other side, there is this haunting question that
will not leave the room. If governments are willing to
sponsor psychic spy units, silence pilots, and bury military UFO
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encounters in classified filent cabinets, how far would they really
be willing to go if a non human civilization offered
an invitation. In this episode of Broadcasting Seeds, we are
going to treat Project Cirpo like what it is. It's
a collision point between documented Cold War strangeness and an
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unverified but incredibly persistent story about human beings living off world.
Here's how it's going to break down. Section one will
walk you through the origin story of SERPO. Where did
this claim even come from, who pushed it into the public,
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and how does it connect back to Roswell and Betty
and Barney Hill. Case two will zoom in on the
twelve volunteers. What the alleged mission profile says about their training,
the journey, and life on an alien planet. We will
compare that to real Apollo era astronaut protocols and ask
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what if it would actually take to send a human
team that far from home? And then three will tackle
the big one, disclobeure or disinformation. Is SURPO a breadcrumb
trail meant to soften us up for slow drip disclosure
or is it a psychological operation built out of half truths, hoaxes,
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and just enough reality to hook people like us Along
the way. We will look at real documents, real programs,
and real historical context and then set it aside. Set
it side by side with this wild exchange program narrative.
You do not have to believe Cirpo is real to
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get something out of this. The question underneath it is bigger.
What does it do to a society if the people
in charge of truth are caught lying again and again,
especially about what might be sharing the universe with us?
So before we jump in, quick reminder, if you get VAUD,
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you out of broadcasting seeds. The best way that you
can support the show is to like share and leave
a review wherever you're listening. That is how this thing grows.
That is how more people find these conversations. That is
how we keep pulling on threads like this without someone
else deciding the narrative for you. All right, buckle up,
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grab your tinfoil passport and imagine what it would feel
like to step onto a craft that does not belong
to us, knowing you might not see Earth again. Section
one from Roswell to Zeta Reticuli The Roots of the
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Surpo mythos. Let's rewind the tape back to nineteen sixty one.
A quiet September night in rural New Hampshire. A couple
by the names of Betty Hill and Barney Hill driving
home after a road trip when they claimed to see
a strange, glowing object descending in the sky. What followed
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lost time, terrified memories, and long lasting trauma. What echo
across decades and helped birth what many today call modern
alien abduction lore. Under hypnosis, Betty drew a screwde star map,
one that she insisted she saw aboard the craft. Years later,
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an amateur and stramaer named Margery Fish tried to match
that map to real stars. After painstaking analysis, she concluded
the most likely candidate was a binary star system, Zeta Reticuli,
and it's about thirty nine light years away that link
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hill Fish. Zeta Reticuli did more than give sci fi
writers a stellar address. It gave UFO enthusiasts, conspiracy theorists,
and late night podcast host a framework. Suddenly, alien abduction
wasn't just a shadowy memory or a wild story. It
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had actual coordinates. Here's the twist. By the early nineteen
seventies and nineteen eighties, skepticism mounted. Astronomers and critics argued
that the star map was almost certainly a random clustering
of points, not a navigable I can't never say that
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word route around the cosmos. One skeptic famously this demonstrated
that once you remove the connecting lines drawn by Betty
or interpreted by Fish, the map lost its resemblance to
any known StarChart. So this tension vivid testimony versus astrophysical
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rebuttal created fertile ground for speculation, and in that fertile ground,
the story of Project Sirpo bound its roots. According to
its proponents, the US government didn't just catalog UFO sidings.
It turned contact into an exchange. Allegedly, in the nineteen sixties,
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twelve Americans, our first interstellar envoys, barded boarded an alien
ship and journeyed to a world circuling Zeta Reticuli. There
they were meant to learn, to observe, to serve as
Earth's silent ambassadors. Why did Sirpo narrative attach itself so
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cleanly to Hill and the Zeta saga because it fills
the gaps. The Hill incident raised the possibility of alien visitation,
and Zaeta Reticuli gave a destination. Serpo gave a mission.
And in the world where real Cold War secrecy was
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already hiding programs of staggering weirdness, the leap from we
saw strange lights to we made a cosmic deal. While
audacious felt just plausible enough. Here's the real kicker. The
same period that birthed the Hill incident and the Zeta
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reticular discussion is also the area era when our own
governments were exploring the limits of the mind. Programs like
Start the Stargate Project, Real to Classified tried to weaponize
psychic phenomena, remote viewing, clairvoyance, extrasensory perception. The idea that
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the US was secretly messing with human consciousness for intelligence
gathering is not fringe. It's documented. So by the time
the documents claiming SERPO existed were whispered into public forums
decades later, the audience was already just primed a society
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already shaken by covert government mental spy programs, an abduction
case that induced introduced the possibility of alien contact, and
a star system that allegedly checked out that more than
anything is how legends are born, not just on paper,
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but deep in our cultural identity. In other words, SERPO
didn't emerge in a vacuum. It grew out of dense
vollatle a mix of anxiety, belief, secrecy, and hope. And
then the next section we'll dig into the heart of
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those claims to meet the twelve Americans who supposedly boarded
that alien craft and ask would Earth even sign them
back in if they ever returned Section two Classified Astronauts
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the twelve volunteers, Okay, imagine being chosen not for a
covert spy mission before something far more foreign, enlisting to
become humanity's first ambassadors to an alien world. That's what
the story of Project Cerpo claims happened in the mid
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nineteen sixties. You had twelve Americans handpicked, prepped, and sent
to live on an alien planet. Let's roll the alleged
mission logs together and examine what they would have looked
like and what problems jump out when you compare them
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to what we know for of real history. The alleged
volunteers who they were so according to Serpo lor, the
group consisted of twelve US military or defense intelligence personnel.
Some versions of the story say ten men and two women.
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Their mission to travel to an extrasolar planet Cirpo, orbiting
the binary star system Zeta Reticuli, and live as sort
of a long term exchange, learn the alien language, observe
their society, and then report back. Supposedly, these individuals underwent
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extensive preparation cultural training like symbol language, basics of alien psychology,
medical screening which included radiation exposure and low gravitate, low
gravity environment psychological evaluation, long duration isolation alien flora and fauna,
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their diet, and even geographic simulated training for other world terrain.
Some versions of the documents referred to crew manifests, pre
deployment conditioning, and alien language primers described among the selected humans. Then,
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in nineteen sixty five, the boarding supposedly happened. The twelve
entered a non human craft at a secure facility somewhere
in the US, silent blackout corridors, stripped vaporwork, sealed air locks.
If true, that would be the most ambitious exchange program
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in human history, not across not just across nations, but
across worlds. The journey alleged faster than light or unknown physics.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
So.
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One of the most eyebrow raising claims. Despite the target
being around thirty nine light years away, the purported alien
technology made the trip in just a few months, or
in some accounts, a nine month journey. After arrival, the
twelve would have to adapt to unknown gravity, alien atmosphere
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and perhaps even different day night cycles, radiation exposure, unfamiliar biochemistry.
Survivability alone raises enormous scientific questions, right given our current
understanding of space travel, relativistic constraints, and human psychology sorry physiology.
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Some versions of the story claim that the clock runs
differently on Curpo, that thirteen Earth years corresponds to ten
Surpo years, presumably due to different orbital characteristics, a convenient
detail if you want the numbers to line up for
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long term exchange. The return Who came back? Who stayed Behind?
The most telling and chilling part of the tale comes
after the alleged mission end. Supposedly only eight of the
original twelve returned to Earth, and according to the story,
one died en route on the outbound journey, one died
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on the alien planet, and two volunteered to day behind,
adopting the alien life as their own. The eight who
supposedly returned came back drastically changed physically, psychologically, culturally. Some
versions claim the readaption process was brutal, broke circadian rhythms,
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alien diet hangovers, language confusion, and a sense of alienation
that no psychiatrist or debriefing protocol could fully erase. It's
also worth noting, though the story is very juicy, no
verifiable documentation ever surfaced. The person who often surfaces as whistleblower,
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Richard C. Doty, has been widely discredited by UFO researchers
for previous involvement in questionable leaks and confirmed information campaigns.
By contrast, when we look at genuine secret programs that
have since been declassified, we see something very different. Real
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precedent for black ops weirdness to Stargate project. So in
the nineteen seventies and eighties, the US government, specifically the
CIA ANDDIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, did in fact explore
genuinely strange territory under names like Scanet, sun Streak, and
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finally Stargate. They attempted to harness psychic phenomenon, mainly remote
viewing or intelligence gathering, which is still frankly allegedly used
today by people that I know and have even interviewed
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for intelligence gathering eyes closed spies claiming to see Soviet
bases or hidden bunkers halfway around the globe. It sounds bizarre,
but it is documented, and the files showed thousands of
pages of inter internal memos. Experiment logs, personal screening, and
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classified assessments. After decades of investment, the CIA and DIA
eventually concluded that remote viewing didn't meet the threshold of
reliable intelligence, and by nineteen ninety five the project was terminated.
Here's the thing. If real government secret projects could include
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experiments on psychic phenomenon, intangible, controversial, unloved by the mainstream science,
then an alleged alien exchange program doesn't feel like total
sci fi fantasy. It lands in a gray zone of
maybe possible, but deeply weird. That ambiguity is the space
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where stories like Surpo thrive the tension plausible verse. Actual
evidence on one hand, twelve volunteers, mission logs, an alien
planet and a homecoming where most never returned. It's cinematic,
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it's tragic, it's horrifying, and it touches something primal in us.
On the other, absolutely zero hard evidence, no verified photos,
no physical artifacts, no credible whistleblower testimony that holds up
under scrutiny so researchers who have investigated the story, No
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glaring inconsistencies, changing crew numbers sometimes twelve, sometimes eleven, conflicting
tales about who died or stayed behind, gifting timelines, lack
of a paper trail, and the fact that the only
public promoters of the story have strong tized onto known
disinformation campaigns. That doesn't make the story completely worthless. In fact,
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that's why it's worth taking or talking about, because as
a thought experiment, whether real or not, it reflects a
deeper truth that the governments of the twentieth century, especially
during the Cold War, we're willing to explore absolutely absurd,
borderline science fiction ideas if they thought it might give
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them an edge. Psychic spies, secret research in the human consciousness,
UFO investigations, black budget programs galore. It was all part
of the same shadow war. And in that context, Project Surpo,
with or without hard evidence, becomes more than a legend.
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It actually becomes a symbol of what might be possible
when secrecy, fear, and ambition collide Section three disclosure or
diffict information. What Cirpo really means to us when you
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step back from the mythology, from the sensational headlines, from
the whispered top secret files, the story of Project Cirpo
forces us to grapple with something way deeper. Maybe the
story is true, Maybe it's an elaborate hoax. But either way,
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what it reveals is not just about aliens. It's about trust, secrecy,
and the power of narrative in a society built on
classified deals and hush hush intelligence. Real precedent governments have
done weird things, and they and they got caught. Sometimes. First,
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let's anchor ourselves in verified fact. During the Cold War
and beyond, the US government did actually run classified programs
that trespassed far outside what most people would consider normal
intelligence work. Project Stargate, for example, we've already gone through
this funded psychic phenomenon experiments remote viewing attempts to use
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mental reception to spy across distance and bypass conventional surveillance.
Stargate's arm or aim was not science fiction. It was
military advantage. If remote viewing work, the Soviets could be
observed without satellites, bunkers exposed without boots on the ground,
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and secrets plucking out of thin air. Yet when the
data was reviewed under scrutiny, the conclusion was brutal. The
intelligence gained was unreliable, vague, and never really actionable. The
program was canceled all the way in nineteen ninety five.
In other words, Yes, the US government has repeatedly experimented
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with fringe, even bizarre ideas in the name of security.
Some of those experiments have been declassified. Some remain buried
that historical reality gives stories like Serpo a strange kind
of credibility by association. If they were willing to test
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psychic spies, why not listen to someone claiming physical alien contact?
Why not if there was even a remote possibility run
a secret exchange roma. But there's a second truth disinformation.
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Disinformation is a tool, and it's sometimes weaponized. Because the
government did engage in generally strange, genuinely strange experiments, it
created fertile ground for confusion, misdirection, and propaganda. And as
recently as twenty twenty five, revelations have emerged suggesting some
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parts of UFO mythology may have been deliberately cultivated to
mask secret weapons programs. And according to new Pentagon review,
fake UFO stories and even staged flying saucer photos were
spread to distract the public and foreign intelligence from advanced
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stealth jet development and other classified tech initiatives. That means
UFO folklore may not always be the side effect of ignorance.
Sometimes it may be the product of purposeful obfuscation, a
cloak or a distraction, a public relations softwar. With that
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in mind, stories like Surpo don't just represent a wild possibility.
They might reflect a tested strategy, the use of extraordinary
narratives to hide something far less sensational but just as
powerful or more so, a black ops budget, experimental aircraft
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and syops. So we have the gray zone and what's real,
what's fiction and who gets to decide? So where does
SURPO stand? It lives in a limbo between documented weirdness
like Stargate and exaggerated claims traveling thirty nine light years
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living on another world for over a decade. On the
one hand, there are no confirmed photos, no credible medical reports,
no verified return personnel. On the other hand, we know
for a fact that for decades US intelligence community openly
funded and later declassified projects that flirted with the bizarre.
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More than just Stargate. There's plenty of others, and most
of you know the names of these. What SERPO forces
us to ask is who decides what counts as plausible?
And if a government says we tried psychic spies and
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decades later admits it it failed, we accept it because
of paperwork, documents, and classification. But if someone claims we
sent Americans to an alien world, we stoff because we
have no public documents, no photos, no declassified manifests. The
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result is a deeply asymmetric standard for credibility. What's real
when the government admits it and versus what's delusional when
it really relies on leaks, whispers and anonymous sources. And
that matters because credibility is a currency. If enough people
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believe there's been a cosmic exchange, that belief free shaped culture.
It feeds rumors of hidden alien ambassadors. It colors how
we interpret UAP sidings today. It fuels demand for disclosure,
for transparency, for official answers. What this means for individuals
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in society. Why the surpos story still matters is whether
Surpo is true or false. Its existence as a widely
shared narrative impacts us. Yes, And here's how it challenges
trust in institutions. And when people realize history is full
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of declassified secrets that once sounded insane, they begin to
wonder what else is buried? What else matters that we
don't know? It feels existential curiosity listening to stories like
circle makes you look at the stars differently, and suddenly
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cosmic questions don't feel distant but personal. Would you volunteer?
What does it say about humanity's place in the universe?
It affects public pressure for transparency and more. The more
these stories circulate, the more people demand on accountability. If
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we treat UAP and UFO phenomenon as serious research questions,
not fringe rumors, it changes how governments and media respond.
It underscores the power of stories, whether real or invented.
Narratives like Surpo shape culture. They just do. They shape community,
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even policy. They keep alive the hope and fear that maybe,
just maybe we aren't alone, or at least that they've
already visited. I mean, I can go down the flat
earth that I'm not going there. Note in this episode,
so when you hear the name Project Sirpo, don't dismiss
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out of hand, but don't treat it as gospel either.
Treat it like here we go. Treat it like a mirror,
a story that reflects our deepest uncertainties, our historical secrets,
and the questions we're afraid to ask out loud. Because
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in the end, whether Serpo is true or myth. The
greater question isn't did they go? It's what happens if
we find.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Out we did. What do we do with a story
like this?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Here we are. We've walked through the roots of the
Serpo mythos, We've met the twelve alleged volunteers, sort of
the so called classified astronauts, and we've wrestled with a
big question is didisclosure or disinformation? Maybe somewhere in the
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forgotten arcave the truth is sitting on a shelf under
a classification stamp. Maybe a few people on this planet
know exactly what happened in the mid sixties and they'll
never talk. Or maybe this whole story is a psychological mirage,
a social experiment that got out of its creator's control,
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a rumor that grew legs and started running.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Wouldn't be the first. But I'll tell you what. I'll
tell you what is real.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Every time we peel back a layer of history, we
find programs that were once mocked, once denied, later revealed
to be absolutely real. Remote viewing psychic spies, declassified UFO encounters,
tracked by military systems publicly acknowledged by the Pentagons, stealth
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aircraft disguised behind UFO rumors during a Cold War. Confirmedness, disinformation,
confirmed secrecy is this isn't the exception, it's the operating system.
And that's why stories like SURPO matter, not because we
can prove them, but because they remind us to question
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the blank spaces. They remind us that our institutions are
capable of incredible innovation and incredible deception. And they remind
us that if you want the truth, you can't wait
for permission. You have to go looking. So here's my
challenge to you. Don't decide whether Project Sirpo is true
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or false. Decide what it means if it is. What
does a society do when it learns we are not
alone and what some of us already went to make
and that some of us already went to make first contact?
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What happens when our most dangerous secret aren't about war,
but about who else shares the universe with us? If
even a fraction of these stories turn out to be real,
our history books aren't just incomplete.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
They're a cover story.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
We already think this, so many of us. So thank
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than your fear.
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Okay, picture this. It is the middle of the Cold War,
nuclear drills in American schools, Spies trade secrets under dim
street lights. You got rockets, punging holes in the upper atmosphere,
and on paper, the biggest question on every general's mind
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is who gets to space first, who gets better missiles?
Who blinks in the staring contest that could end the world.
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But what if?
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Off the books, the real contest was not East versus West,
it was Earth versus everyone else. Welcome back to Broadcasting Seeds.
I'm your host, Ben Tantan, and today we are walking
straight into one of the strangest what ifs in Ufu lore.
A story that looks like science fiction, reads like a
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classified Apollo mission, and somehow refuses to die even after
decades of debunking attempts and Internet drama. This episode is
about Project Serpo, the alleged alien exchange program. According to
the story buried somewhere in the deep, black budget world
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of American intelligence, there was once a deal. Not a
treaty with Moscow, not some handshake with NATO, a deal
between the United States government and a non human civilization
said to be from the Zeta Reticuli star system, a
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real binary star about thirty nine light years away in
the constellation Reticulum. If that name rings a bell, it should.
Zeta Reticuli is the same system that got tied to
the famous Betty and Barney Hill abduction case from nineteen
sixty one, after Betty drew a strange star map under
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hypnosis and an amateur astronomer later argued it matched that
specific starfair. That incident became known as the Zeta Reticular incident,
and it helped cement that star system in UFO legend
long before anybody ever whispered the word surpo. Fast forward
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a few years, and the Surpos story says something even
wilder happened. According to leaked briefing documents and anonymous insiders,
an alien craft landed at a secure US facility in
the mid nineteen sixties. A group of twelve countum twelve
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American military specialists supposedly volunteered for what amounted to a
one way deployment, no return date, no guarantee that they
will ever see Earth again. Their destination an alien world
orbiting those twin sons. The story claims they trained for years,
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learned basic alien symbols, They got poked, they got scanned
and conditioned for low gravity and strange radiation. Then somewhere
around nineteen sixty five, they boarded a non human craft
and left Earth behind. For thirteen years, those twelve allegedly
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lived on another planet, tried to understand an alien society,
and kept records of their daily life so that if
they ever came home, somebody in a windowless room in
Washington could read about it and quietly decide what to
do with the truth. On the surface, it just sounds ridiculous,
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and it should. It has all the ingredients of a
late night cable movie, a secret team, an alien world,
a mission that starts with a handshake and ends with
missing people and classified medical reports. But here's why this
one will not go away. During the exact same Cold
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War period, our government really did run programs that sound
like bad sci fi. The Stargate Project, for example, was
a real, declassified Army and DIA effort that tried to
use remote viewing and other psychic techniques to gather intelligence.
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Their own paperwork describes parapsychological interactions and human experiments that
went on for years before being shut down in the
nineties and later exposed through FOYA. So when the SERPO
materials started appearing publicly in the early two thousands, it
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attached itself to a very real pattern weird black projects,
hidden budgets, things that sound insane. Until thirty years later
you find the PDF stamp formerly classified sitting on the
CIA website like it was nothing. That is the tension
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we are going to live in this episode. On one side,
you have serious problems with the SERPO story. One of
the early alleged insiders, Richard Dodie, has a long history
of being tied to UFO disinformation and admitted psychological games.
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Researchers have pointed out contradictions in the timelines, physics, issues
with the travel, and the complete lack of heart evidence.
On the other side, there is this haunting question that
will not leave the room. If governments are willing to
sponsor psychic spy units, silence pilots, and bury military UFO
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encounters in classified filent cabinets, how far would they really
be willing to go if a non human civilization offered
an invitation. In this episode of Broadcasting Seeds, we are
going to treat Project Cirpo like what it is. It's
a collision point between documented Cold War strangeness and an
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unverified but incredibly persistent story about human beings living off world.
Here's how it's going to break down. Section one will
walk you through the origin story of SERPO. Where did
this claim even come from, who pushed it into the public,
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and how does it connect back to Roswell and Betty
and Barney Hill. Case two will zoom in on the
twelve volunteers. What the alleged mission profile says about their training,
the journey, and life on an alien planet. We will
compare that to real Apollo era astronaut protocols and ask
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what if it would actually take to send a human
team that far from home? And then three will tackle
the big one, disclobeure or disinformation. Is SURPO a breadcrumb
trail meant to soften us up for slow drip disclosure
or is it a psychological operation built out of half truths, hoaxes,
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and just enough reality to hook people like us Along
the way. We will look at real documents, real programs,
and real historical context and then set it aside. Set
it side by side with this wild exchange program narrative.
You do not have to believe Cirpo is real to
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get something out of this. The question underneath it is bigger.
What does it do to a society if the people
in charge of truth are caught lying again and again,
especially about what might be sharing the universe with us?
So before we jump in, quick reminder, if you get VAUD,
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you out of broadcasting seeds. The best way that you
can support the show is to like share and leave
a review wherever you're listening. That is how this thing grows.
That is how more people find these conversations. That is
how we keep pulling on threads like this without someone
else deciding the narrative for you. All right, buckle up,
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grab your tinfoil passport and imagine what it would feel
like to step onto a craft that does not belong
to us, knowing you might not see Earth again. Section
one from Roswell to Zeta Reticuli The Roots of the
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Surpo mythos. Let's rewind the tape back to nineteen sixty one.
A quiet September night in rural New Hampshire. A couple
by the names of Betty Hill and Barney Hill driving
home after a road trip when they claimed to see
a strange, glowing object descending in the sky. What followed
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lost time, terrified memories, and long lasting trauma. What echo
across decades and helped birth what many today call modern
alien abduction lore. Under hypnosis, Betty drew a screwde star map,
one that she insisted she saw aboard the craft. Years later,
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an amateur and stramaer named Margery Fish tried to match
that map to real stars. After painstaking analysis, she concluded
the most likely candidate was a binary star system, Zeta Reticuli,
and it's about thirty nine light years away that link
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hill Fish. Zeta Reticuli did more than give sci fi
writers a stellar address. It gave UFO enthusiasts, conspiracy theorists,
and late night podcast host a framework. Suddenly, alien abduction
wasn't just a shadowy memory or a wild story. It
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had actual coordinates. Here's the twist. By the early nineteen
seventies and nineteen eighties, skepticism mounted. Astronomers and critics argued
that the star map was almost certainly a random clustering
of points, not a navigable I can't never say that
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word route around the cosmos. One skeptic famously this demonstrated
that once you remove the connecting lines drawn by Betty
or interpreted by Fish, the map lost its resemblance to
any known StarChart. So this tension vivid testimony versus astrophysical
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rebuttal created fertile ground for speculation, and in that fertile ground,
the story of Project Sirpo bound its roots. According to
its proponents, the US government didn't just catalog UFO sidings.
It turned contact into an exchange. Allegedly, in the nineteen sixties,
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twelve Americans, our first interstellar envoys, barded boarded an alien
ship and journeyed to a world circuling Zeta Reticuli. There
they were meant to learn, to observe, to serve as
Earth's silent ambassadors. Why did Sirpo narrative attach itself so
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cleanly to Hill and the Zeta saga because it fills
the gaps. The Hill incident raised the possibility of alien visitation,
and Zaeta Reticuli gave a destination. Serpo gave a mission.
And in the world where real Cold War secrecy was
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already hiding programs of staggering weirdness, the leap from we
saw strange lights to we made a cosmic deal. While
audacious felt just plausible enough. Here's the real kicker. The
same period that birthed the Hill incident and the Zeta
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reticular discussion is also the area era when our own
governments were exploring the limits of the mind. Programs like
Start the Stargate Project, Real to Classified tried to weaponize
psychic phenomena, remote viewing, clairvoyance, extrasensory perception. The idea that
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the US was secretly messing with human consciousness for intelligence
gathering is not fringe. It's documented. So by the time
the documents claiming SERPO existed were whispered into public forums
decades later, the audience was already just primed a society
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already shaken by covert government mental spy programs, an abduction
case that induced introduced the possibility of alien contact, and
a star system that allegedly checked out that more than
anything is how legends are born, not just on paper,
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but deep in our cultural identity. In other words, SERPO
didn't emerge in a vacuum. It grew out of dense
vollatle a mix of anxiety, belief, secrecy, and hope. And
then the next section we'll dig into the heart of
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those claims to meet the twelve Americans who supposedly boarded
that alien craft and ask would Earth even sign them
back in if they ever returned Section two Classified Astronauts
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the twelve volunteers, Okay, imagine being chosen not for a
covert spy mission before something far more foreign, enlisting to
become humanity's first ambassadors to an alien world. That's what
the story of Project Cerpo claims happened in the mid
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nineteen sixties. You had twelve Americans handpicked, prepped, and sent
to live on an alien planet. Let's roll the alleged
mission logs together and examine what they would have looked
like and what problems jump out when you compare them
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to what we know for of real history. The alleged
volunteers who they were so according to Serpo lor, the
group consisted of twelve US military or defense intelligence personnel.
Some versions of the story say ten men and two women.
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Their mission to travel to an extrasolar planet Cirpo, orbiting
the binary star system Zeta Reticuli, and live as sort
of a long term exchange, learn the alien language, observe
their society, and then report back. Supposedly, these individuals underwent
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extensive preparation cultural training like symbol language, basics of alien psychology,
medical screening which included radiation exposure and low gravitate, low
gravity environment psychological evaluation, long duration isolation alien flora and fauna,
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their diet, and even geographic simulated training for other world terrain.
Some versions of the documents referred to crew manifests, pre
deployment conditioning, and alien language primers described among the selected humans. Then,
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in nineteen sixty five, the boarding supposedly happened. The twelve
entered a non human craft at a secure facility somewhere
in the US, silent blackout corridors, stripped vaporwork, sealed air locks.
If true, that would be the most ambitious exchange program
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in human history, not across not just across nations, but
across worlds. The journey alleged faster than light or unknown physics.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
So.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
One of the most eyebrow raising claims. Despite the target
being around thirty nine light years away, the purported alien
technology made the trip in just a few months, or
in some accounts, a nine month journey. After arrival, the
twelve would have to adapt to unknown gravity, alien atmosphere
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and perhaps even different day night cycles, radiation exposure, unfamiliar biochemistry.
Survivability alone raises enormous scientific questions, right given our current
understanding of space travel, relativistic constraints, and human psychology sorry physiology.
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Some versions of the story claim that the clock runs
differently on Curpo, that thirteen Earth years corresponds to ten
Surpo years, presumably due to different orbital characteristics, a convenient
detail if you want the numbers to line up for
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long term exchange. The return Who came back? Who stayed Behind?
The most telling and chilling part of the tale comes
after the alleged mission end. Supposedly only eight of the
original twelve returned to Earth, and according to the story,
one died en route on the outbound journey, one died
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on the alien planet, and two volunteered to day behind,
adopting the alien life as their own. The eight who
supposedly returned came back drastically changed physically, psychologically, culturally. Some
versions claim the readaption process was brutal, broke circadian rhythms,
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alien diet hangovers, language confusion, and a sense of alienation
that no psychiatrist or debriefing protocol could fully erase. It's
also worth noting, though the story is very juicy, no
verifiable documentation ever surfaced. The person who often surfaces as whistleblower,
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Richard C. Doty, has been widely discredited by UFO researchers
for previous involvement in questionable leaks and confirmed information campaigns.
By contrast, when we look at genuine secret programs that
have since been declassified, we see something very different. Real
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precedent for black ops weirdness to Stargate project. So in
the nineteen seventies and eighties, the US government, specifically the
CIA ANDDIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, did in fact explore
genuinely strange territory under names like Scanet, sun Streak, and
(21:32):
finally Stargate. They attempted to harness psychic phenomenon, mainly remote
viewing or intelligence gathering, which is still frankly allegedly used
today by people that I know and have even interviewed
(21:53):
for intelligence gathering eyes closed spies claiming to see Soviet
bases or hidden bunkers halfway around the globe. It sounds bizarre,
but it is documented, and the files showed thousands of
pages of inter internal memos. Experiment logs, personal screening, and
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classified assessments. After decades of investment, the CIA and DIA
eventually concluded that remote viewing didn't meet the threshold of
reliable intelligence, and by nineteen ninety five the project was terminated.
Here's the thing. If real government secret projects could include
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experiments on psychic phenomenon, intangible, controversial, unloved by the mainstream science,
then an alleged alien exchange program doesn't feel like total
sci fi fantasy. It lands in a gray zone of
maybe possible, but deeply weird. That ambiguity is the space
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where stories like Surpo thrive the tension plausible verse. Actual
evidence on one hand, twelve volunteers, mission logs, an alien
planet and a homecoming where most never returned. It's cinematic,
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it's tragic, it's horrifying, and it touches something primal in us.
On the other, absolutely zero hard evidence, no verified photos,
no physical artifacts, no credible whistleblower testimony that holds up
under scrutiny so researchers who have investigated the story, No
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glaring inconsistencies, changing crew numbers sometimes twelve, sometimes eleven, conflicting
tales about who died or stayed behind, gifting timelines, lack
of a paper trail, and the fact that the only
public promoters of the story have strong tized onto known
disinformation campaigns. That doesn't make the story completely worthless. In fact,
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that's why it's worth taking or talking about, because as
a thought experiment, whether real or not, it reflects a
deeper truth that the governments of the twentieth century, especially
during the Cold War, we're willing to explore absolutely absurd,
borderline science fiction ideas if they thought it might give
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them an edge. Psychic spies, secret research in the human consciousness,
UFO investigations, black budget programs galore. It was all part
of the same shadow war. And in that context, Project Surpo,
with or without hard evidence, becomes more than a legend.
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It actually becomes a symbol of what might be possible
when secrecy, fear, and ambition collide Section three disclosure or
diffict information. What Cirpo really means to us when you
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step back from the mythology, from the sensational headlines, from
the whispered top secret files, the story of Project Cirpo
forces us to grapple with something way deeper. Maybe the
story is true, Maybe it's an elaborate hoax. But either way,
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what it reveals is not just about aliens. It's about trust, secrecy,
and the power of narrative in a society built on
classified deals and hush hush intelligence. Real precedent governments have
done weird things, and they and they got caught. Sometimes. First,
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let's anchor ourselves in verified fact. During the Cold War
and beyond, the US government did actually run classified programs
that trespassed far outside what most people would consider normal
intelligence work. Project Stargate, for example, we've already gone through
this funded psychic phenomenon experiments remote viewing attempts to use
(26:34):
mental reception to spy across distance and bypass conventional surveillance.
Stargate's arm or aim was not science fiction. It was
military advantage. If remote viewing work, the Soviets could be
observed without satellites, bunkers exposed without boots on the ground,
(26:55):
and secrets plucking out of thin air. Yet when the
data was reviewed under scrutiny, the conclusion was brutal. The
intelligence gained was unreliable, vague, and never really actionable. The
program was canceled all the way in nineteen ninety five.
In other words, Yes, the US government has repeatedly experimented
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with fringe, even bizarre ideas in the name of security.
Some of those experiments have been declassified. Some remain buried
that historical reality gives stories like Serpo a strange kind
of credibility by association. If they were willing to test
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psychic spies, why not listen to someone claiming physical alien contact?
Why not if there was even a remote possibility run
a secret exchange roma. But there's a second truth disinformation.
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Disinformation is a tool, and it's sometimes weaponized. Because the
government did engage in generally strange, genuinely strange experiments, it
created fertile ground for confusion, misdirection, and propaganda. And as
recently as twenty twenty five, revelations have emerged suggesting some
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parts of UFO mythology may have been deliberately cultivated to
mask secret weapons programs. And according to new Pentagon review,
fake UFO stories and even staged flying saucer photos were
spread to distract the public and foreign intelligence from advanced
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stealth jet development and other classified tech initiatives. That means
UFO folklore may not always be the side effect of ignorance.
Sometimes it may be the product of purposeful obfuscation, a
cloak or a distraction, a public relations softwar. With that
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in mind, stories like Surpo don't just represent a wild possibility.
They might reflect a tested strategy, the use of extraordinary
narratives to hide something far less sensational but just as
powerful or more so, a black ops budget, experimental aircraft
(29:35):
and syops. So we have the gray zone and what's real,
what's fiction and who gets to decide? So where does
SURPO stand? It lives in a limbo between documented weirdness
like Stargate and exaggerated claims traveling thirty nine light years
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living on another world for over a decade. On the
one hand, there are no confirmed photos, no credible medical reports,
no verified return personnel. On the other hand, we know
for a fact that for decades US intelligence community openly
funded and later declassified projects that flirted with the bizarre.
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More than just Stargate. There's plenty of others, and most
of you know the names of these. What SERPO forces
us to ask is who decides what counts as plausible?
And if a government says we tried psychic spies and
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decades later admits it it failed, we accept it because
of paperwork, documents, and classification. But if someone claims we
sent Americans to an alien world, we stoff because we
have no public documents, no photos, no declassified manifests. The
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result is a deeply asymmetric standard for credibility. What's real
when the government admits it and versus what's delusional when
it really relies on leaks, whispers and anonymous sources. And
that matters because credibility is a currency. If enough people
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believe there's been a cosmic exchange, that belief free shaped culture.
It feeds rumors of hidden alien ambassadors. It colors how
we interpret UAP sidings today. It fuels demand for disclosure,
for transparency, for official answers. What this means for individuals
(31:48):
in society. Why the surpos story still matters is whether
Surpo is true or false. Its existence as a widely
shared narrative impacts us. Yes, And here's how it challenges
trust in institutions. And when people realize history is full
(32:08):
of declassified secrets that once sounded insane, they begin to
wonder what else is buried? What else matters that we
don't know? It feels existential curiosity listening to stories like
circle makes you look at the stars differently, and suddenly
(32:31):
cosmic questions don't feel distant but personal. Would you volunteer?
What does it say about humanity's place in the universe?
It affects public pressure for transparency and more. The more
these stories circulate, the more people demand on accountability. If
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we treat UAP and UFO phenomenon as serious research questions,
not fringe rumors, it changes how governments and media respond.
It underscores the power of stories, whether real or invented.
Narratives like Surpo shape culture. They just do. They shape community,
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even policy. They keep alive the hope and fear that maybe,
just maybe we aren't alone, or at least that they've
already visited. I mean, I can go down the flat
earth that I'm not going there. Note in this episode,
so when you hear the name Project Sirpo, don't dismiss
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out of hand, but don't treat it as gospel either.
Treat it like here we go. Treat it like a mirror,
a story that reflects our deepest uncertainties, our historical secrets,
and the questions we're afraid to ask out loud. Because
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in the end, whether Serpo is true or myth. The
greater question isn't did they go? It's what happens if
we find.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Out we did. What do we do with a story
like this?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Here we are. We've walked through the roots of the
Serpo mythos, We've met the twelve alleged volunteers, sort of
the so called classified astronauts, and we've wrestled with a
big question is didisclosure or disinformation? Maybe somewhere in the
(34:50):
forgotten arcave the truth is sitting on a shelf under
a classification stamp. Maybe a few people on this planet
know exactly what happened in the mid sixties and they'll
never talk. Or maybe this whole story is a psychological mirage,
a social experiment that got out of its creator's control,
(35:14):
a rumor that grew legs and started running.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Wouldn't be the first. But I'll tell you what. I'll
tell you what is real.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Every time we peel back a layer of history, we
find programs that were once mocked, once denied, later revealed
to be absolutely real. Remote viewing psychic spies, declassified UFO encounters,
tracked by military systems publicly acknowledged by the Pentagons, stealth
(35:48):
aircraft disguised behind UFO rumors during a Cold War. Confirmedness, disinformation,
confirmed secrecy is this isn't the exception, it's the operating system.
And that's why stories like SURPO matter, not because we
can prove them, but because they remind us to question
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the blank spaces. They remind us that our institutions are
capable of incredible innovation and incredible deception. And they remind
us that if you want the truth, you can't wait
for permission. You have to go looking. So here's my
challenge to you. Don't decide whether Project Sirpo is true
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or false. Decide what it means if it is. What
does a society do when it learns we are not
alone and what some of us already went to make
and that some of us already went to make first contact?
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What happens when our most dangerous secret aren't about war,
but about who else shares the universe with us? If
even a fraction of these stories turn out to be real,
our history books aren't just incomplete.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
They're a cover story.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
We already think this, so many of us. So thank
you for tuning into broadcasting seeds. If you enjoyed tonight's
journey into the unknown. If it made you think, made
you curious, or made you stare just a little longer
at the stars, please like, share, and review wherever you listen.
(37:40):
That is how we grow the show, and that is
how we make sure these conversations don't disappear into the
noise Again. I'm gonna tanton and until next time, keep
your eyes open, your mind sharp, and your curiosity louder
than your fear.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Classified Mansona toungs and I Say Whispered Deal and Dark
twelve Lister is now sealed by faith. Their footprints are
raised from the ark.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
Silent good bys to the world in lawn launch with log.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
The album Beyond What the Stars Could Hold, No Metal Snore.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
No Name in the Craft by presenters of the dun
Also Spaceland, Black.
Speaker 6 (39:28):
Sunset and Training on the Great Bee.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
As episode as Episode.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Two, Sensors on the world of post war Secret Spring.
He's Understorm thirteen years closet.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
From Earth in the sky that He's not like Home,
Signals at Home and a Bitch Too Date Memories of votion, learning.
Speaker 5 (40:27):
To speak when all you human speak. Coastage to Get
with Pain.
Speaker 1 (40:36):
Right Craft by passengers of the Host. In Space.
Speaker 6 (40:49):
Sustain strengthing, fusty passage, passing justice.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
Eight souls returned.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
Change forever haunted eyes hide the true pay soul.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
For steed.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
Behide by Dad, by choice, bound by a spoken Lord.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Ray crafts of the passengers of the mall. If it
came back different.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
We understand.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
O carry the truth. They brought home passengers as
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