The Christian Theological Dark Web: Where Theology Meets the Paranormal

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Static, Right, Ricky, what's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Man?

Speaker 5 (01:04):
Tell us who you are and what you do and
where can we find you?

Speaker 3 (01:09):
Absolutely?

Speaker 6 (01:10):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Who am I? I am a mysterious voice behind the microphone.

Speaker 7 (01:14):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
I am one of the hosts of the Christian Theological
dark Web podcast. We explore my co host and myself
who will be on shortly as it were. We explore
really just the things that the church doesn't want to
talk about. We try and really bring those to the forefront.
For a lot of reasons, man, we try to bring

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those to the forefront, because the Word tells us to
clearly expose our enemies for who they are and what
they are, and the farces that they run, the rackets
that they run that they run, and yeah, man, frankly,
we're called out to We're called to really point those
things out and have the church be aware of what
the heck's actually going on. So that's super important to us.

(01:59):
We really focus a lot on the Divine Council. That's
a huge deal to us. We even have a a
behind the paywall, our paywall super it's like three bucks
a month or something, but we have a.

Speaker 7 (02:14):
Is it even a paywall, Yeah, it's hardly a paywall.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
If you want to sign up, go do that. But
we have obviously episodes to come out a little early.
Every once in a while will have an episode that's
you off the books, but really it's focused on the
Divine Council worldview. Devotional. So we actually have like a devotional,
like a biblical devotional that's focused around the Divine Council
and why that's important and how that plays out in
our life and how we should you know, how we

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should live. Yeah, all that kind of stuff. So that's
where're at. You can find us at really any shoot,
any podcasting platform that you like. We're on YouTube as well,
just like right, just like you and I are here.
We do video podcasting as well as audio. You can
find us anywhere. You'll notice my my subtitle at the
bottom there is the polygot Dragon. There's a whole explanation

(03:00):
about that. We can get into that in a little bit.
But I study linguistics in college. I'm a Spanish interpreter
by trade. I speak like four different languages. I don't
use them all for work, but I speak just enough
to be dangerous with some of them, right, and uh yeah,
I men. You can find us anywhere. We're on Facebook,

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We're on TikTok, We're on Instagram, We're on.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
What's your what's your favorite place to go? Like where,
what's the best place to interact?

Speaker 3 (03:28):
I kind of be honest, dude, I think for I
think for anybody that takes what they're doing seriously and professionally.
At this point, in my opinion, really is is Instagram.
That's really what's what's uh kicking up the dirt, and
it's moving people and in really interesting ways and connecting people,
which is essentially actually what social media was designed to
do and rarely does. So I really do like Instagram.

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I think it's probably the last, the least hostile, and
probably the the outlet where you can most be taken
seriously in my opinion.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
No, I don't disagree with you. I mean, X is
its own thing. And then Facebook, dude, is just like
what doesn't make any sense?

Speaker 3 (04:07):
But either way, it's kind of the bottom feeder of
all the social.

Speaker 5 (04:12):
Something I'm write on Facebook, So.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, yeah, into a lizard and you know all that
good stuff, right, there's all that fun stuff.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
So so wait, all right, so let's I'm gonna this
is the question I ask everybody, Yeah, it comes on,
is what got you into this like world of this
world of and I say high strangeness because all of
it kind of you know, it revolves around that, whether

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it's you're into cryptids or or Christian theology or all
the things who would ever think that that would be
a thing, right, it's allination between I do too. I
think it's amazing, it's awesome. But who would ever think, like,
even even ten years ago, that's not a thing?

Speaker 3 (05:00):
No, no, it wasn't. It wasn't even like like a
thing of a thing, bro, It wasn't even like a
meta thing, you know. Yeah, So how did I get
on this journey?

Speaker 5 (05:09):
Man?

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Covid?

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Bro Covid is what sent me down this rabbit hole?
Like I I've I guess I'll give you a little
bit of background so you can kind of understand where
I come from. Shelley and I both have stories that
we were kind of outcast individuals growing up. I was
into well, I just didn't fit in in general, you know.
I was not the I was not born into to

(05:31):
wealth at all. My family was pretty meager as far
as income goes. We were low middle class, real low
middle class, you know, just kind of eken by enough
to live in a city, but not really to do
anything for the most part. And so I really grew
up man, frustrated, not fitting in. Couldn't buy the clothes

(05:51):
I want, couldn't you know, I just couldn't make those connections. Ever,
and when I was about thirteen twelve, I just got
in the metal.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
It just spoke to me. It spoke to me deeply,
and I was like, Okay, this actually makes sense to
make the long story short, right. And I felt that
there was a spiritual power there, like I just felt
drawn to it. And so that kind of was what
fueled me. I was super goth growing up through high
school and middle school. I mean, like the whole nine
yards man, Like I would paint my face like all

(06:22):
decked out. Sometimes I was the full deal. I wasn't
really into it, but I mean I was always I
was always a Christian. Like, it just didn't for me.
It just didn't make any sense. Bro, it just didn't
make any I was just like, yeah, I mean I
get all the other religions. I get it, like I
get it. My only qualm with all this stuff was like, well,

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but but why does my religion seem to suck? I
could go to church and I'm like, yeah, I know
this is the truth, but why does it suck? You
know what I mean? And I would look at stuff
like Hinduism and Buddhism, and I would look at other religions,
and I was just like, dude, there's so much like
activity here, There's so much spiritual power going on. And

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then I come to church and like, you have to understand, dude,
I grew up in a cessationist church, so like they
didn't believe in any of the miracles or any and
I was just like I wanted to like claw my
eyeballs out, you know, when I was a kid. And
then I started listening to metal, so I was like,
you know, the devil's playground according to everybody in my church,
right right, And yeah, dude, so I guess that was

(07:24):
kind of my whole thing. I actually formed a band
in Mexico. I lived in Mexico for about five years.
We used our band to share the gospel just I
mean just straight hardcore metal stuff like that. And it
was around the time, yeah, just right around COVID man
that God just kinda I just was discontented with what

(07:45):
I was seeing, you know. I was already like kind
of jaded by a lot of stuff. I was in
the medical industry actually, when COVID went down, I was
an interpreter in hospital full time, and so I was
making the COVID rounds that I was talking to patients
with doctors and like, you know, yeah, I was right there.
I was right in the thick of it, man. And

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not too long after, you know, they took us out
of the hospitals because it was insane and you know,
I don't have to explain all that, but I ended
up then I ended up getting fired, bro, because I
refused to take the shot. I was like, I'm not
doing it, like, cancel me if you want, kick me out,
do what you want. And they did, and I said,

(08:27):
all right, sounds good and miraculously anyway, I mean, we're
actually God provided, like literally, the next day they called
me from this other company started making a ton more money. YadA, YadA, YadA.

Speaker 7 (08:38):
The rest history.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
I mean, I could get into that all day, but
you're to answer your question appropriately. It was really that.
And there was one Shelley actually my co host. She
was the one that shared a particular preacher. And I'm
not much for listening to preachings. I don't really care
for that. It's not it's never interested in me honestly,
like ever, but she said me won by this dude

(09:01):
whose name I always forget, but he's a kiwi. He's
he's transplanted over here to the US and he's a
missionary here in California. And I'll never forget that that
that preaching. It was all about who's patent is in
your DNA? And it was you know, that was a
simple thing about how you know, the the chemical makeup

(09:26):
of our DNA spells out the name Kilbow right, yeah,
yahweh right. And so I just kept kind of brooding
on this and brooding on this and brooding on this
until it kind of just came to a head. And
I don't I don't remember how I came across the nephilim,
and then it just started to all make sense in
my brain, and I was like, wait, why have I
never read any of this stuff or understood any of it? Like,

(09:48):
what is going on? Dude. I've always been fascinated by
that kind of stuff. But way back when I read
a Tom Horn book about cloning and all this kind
of crazy crap, and I read it and I was like,
I don't understand any of this stuff, and I just
kind of put on the back burner. And then now
looking back, I was like, oh man, I picked that
book up again, and I was like, oh, dude, I
get all of it. All of it makes sense now,

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it's all.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
Yeah it dude.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
To put it as light as I can, it literally
changed my paradigm forever, Like I I can't see anything
the same way. I literally was giving an intro to
the youth at our church about the Divine Council yesterday.
It was like a huge blessing, bro to be able
to be like, here's the torch. Kids, take this, run

(10:36):
with it. Understand your enemy, know who you face. So
I hope that answers your question, man.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
For sure. Yeah, and then just to transition the like
so all right, see that's something I talk a lot about.
I've definitely done my research and I will be talking
about it more often here coming up. But what so
explain to folks that don't know what is the Divine Council?

Speaker 4 (11:04):
What is? What?

Speaker 8 (11:05):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (11:06):
A crazy concept that messes up your Christian theology if
you've ever been a.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Modern, normally kind that makes your head explode a little bit.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
But that's what I like doing on the show.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
So yes, as you should, my man, that's what that's
the way to go with it. So the Divine Council.
To try and sum it up as easy as possible
is essentially what most Pagans would refer to as the pantheon, right,
I mean, just to make it, just to kind of
give it some more familiary familiarity and language and in

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a kind of common parlance. Uh, it's essentially the pantheon.

Speaker 7 (11:43):
Right, And and.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Yeahweh is at the top of it. He is the
divine ruler. But you know you're gonna see zeus or
you're going to see some other figure at the top
of that pantheon in other cultures, right, because he was
the one that was was calling the shots. Well, to
kind of break it down, the reason we know this

(12:06):
exists is, first of all, dude, first person I hope
to talk to when I leave this earth is Michael Heiser,
so he can like educate the crap out of me, dude,
to be like, yeah, let's see, but I probably won't
need it at that point. I would be like, oh, dude,
I know you. Michael talked about you. I remember you.
You know I'll be saying all these guys. But to

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make it, you know, a short explanation is in Deuteronomy
thirty two, And there's something called the Deuteronomy thirty two worldview,
which essentially says that God, according to the sons of Man,
took the sons of God and apportioned them to the
layout of the earth. In other words, he said, all right,

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these people are in these places, you guys, the sons
of God. And that's important. That's really really important to
understand that there're sons of God, not sons of man,
because that's us right. Obviously, yes, they were given the nations,
they were supposed to rule over those nations. Now people
are that's already messing people's theology up because they're like,

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but there's all like one God. I'm like, well, I mean, yes, yes,
but no simultaneously because we get stuck on stuff because
we misunderstand Hebrew. We just misunderstand words in the Bible,
and so everyone's like, well, lohem, I mean that means
God he's three and one. I'm like, yeah, I mean,

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none of my theology on that stuff changes. I'm still
right there with you. The issue is that God is
the one that calls all of those people, all those
creatures and those beings Eloheim, Right, He's the one that
calls them gods. And that's just a plural for God's
that's all.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
That means, but you can and we can call him
little g guds.

Speaker 7 (13:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yeah, so so people don't freak out, you know, so
you're not like losing losing your pooh so to speak, right, like,
but that doesn't make them any less deified. And people
have a problem with that one. I'm like, well sorry then,
you know, Like like Heiser always said, I'm sick of
trying to protect people from their Bible. Read it for

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what it is, man. It's one of my major beefs
with most people is that they want to read their
life into the Bible. And like, dude, the Bible was
not written to you, homeboy, like it was written.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
Yeah, everyone tries to humanize the Bible or it's not
written for us. It's not about us. It's about God.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
It's really not. And and the Divine Counsel is a
recalibrating of your understanding of reality because it takes the
focus off of humanity and places it squarely back on God.
It makes you realize, just like cryptids do, just like
the UFO phenomena does, just like all those things do.
It takes the focus, the central focus off of humans

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and it points it back to a spiritual war, which
is exactly where we're at. And that's that's really my
contention with people is because they're like, well, but God
fights for I'm like, yeah, but dude, like under what context?
Like what are we talking about? You know, if you
don't know who you're again, if you don't know your enemy,
how are you going to fight him? How are you
going to wake up and go to battle? If you
don't understand that when the word tells us stuff like watchers,

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the reason those guys are called watchers is because they
never slumber. These guys don't sleep. They're constantly on the move.
They're constantly strategizing, either for or against us, depending on
which side they fight for right. And so really that
is a kind of an explanation. Now you can there's
all sorts of other stuff we can delve into, but
that's really what the Divine Council itself is. It's an

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understanding that God is at the top of the hierarchy
and he has governors essentially, you know, underhead.

Speaker 5 (15:45):
So I want to blow people out of the water.
For one quick second too, is that Adam and Eve
were on the Divine Council.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Well they were, dude, they were.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
People are like, wait, what, yes, before before the fall.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
Yeah, they were on the divine Council. They were part
of the Divine Council.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
They were And.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
To be even more specific, I'm glad you said that.
I don't want to trip people up too much, but.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
We'll keep it face.

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Let's let's keep him centric as center as we can.
I won't go too far down that rabbit hole because
it gets deep. But Adam is essentially a representative. He
was a representative of Earth of He was the caretaker
of Eden, and he was his his and how do
we say it, Sorry, dude, my Spanish interferes sometimes. His

(16:43):
swing gottago his uh. What God entrusted him with was
for him to go to the rest of the earth
and subdue it appropriately. He was a priest farmer. That's
what the dude was. He was a king priest farmer.
That was his job, and so he is essentially had
to report back his duties to the rest of the
heavenly council. Hey, this is how this is going. We

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need to work on this and blah blah blah. And
people are going to get superfriended by this too, because
that means that God didn't make everything perfect and he
did that on purpose.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
That will probably he didn't name everything. He didn't do
all Like this is one of Adam's first jobs, is
the name all the animals.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
Yeah, like this is something that people don't read in
the butt like it's there, it's right there in your face.
People don't think about it. They don't read it like.
He was the steward.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
He was given dominion over period.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
Dominion.

Speaker 3 (17:43):
That's the word. That's the exact word, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
It's it's that's a heavy word.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
It is, man, it's it's funny because the word in Spanish.
You'll love this, dude. So the word is majorromo, which
literally means the major over the dominion. That's literally what
it means. I mean, that was his that was his right.
So he was he was to be that steward. And
it does trip people up because people are like, but wait,
doesn't that by definition make him an eloheim as well? Yeah,

(18:12):
with certain qualifications, it does. I'm not talking about, you know,
the divine spark and all that. I mean, I'm not
talking about any of that stuff. I'm talking specifically about, definitionally,
what are we you know, God tells us that we
will judge angels. Well, we ain't going to judge angels
unless we get to sit on the council.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Put that in your.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Pipe and smoke it, right, I mean that's yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
And some people can't get past that, like you know,
and then they understand why Flallen are angry. It's like,
well yeah, yeah man, and yeah, but whatever, I mean,
you know, yeah, we're just different, that's it. Yeah, And
Adam was made from different stuff. Part of it was
the same, but part of it was different. So absolutely,

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because technically the sons of God, ye are more celestial,
they're more what would.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
You call it?

Speaker 3 (19:07):
You know, you called it actually, honestly, you use a
perfect word. I mean the word says that that when
when the fallen, the Watchers, who every want to call
them right sons of God, when they descended that they
left their proper estate or their proper dominion, they decided
to forfeit that right and went derelict. I mean that's
what they did. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, yeah, man, it's it.

(19:33):
It does mess people up, and and that's okay. I
mean it took me, It took me a hot minute
to be like, like I had to take this stuff
in prairie dude. Personally, I was like, am I insane?
Is this insane?

Speaker 4 (19:44):
What?

Speaker 3 (19:45):
What does this even mean? You know, like giants roaming
the earth like that sounds ridiculous, you know it does
if you're just like looking at out of your face value,
of course it does. But I mean one of our
contentions as well, Bennett, is that this is a there's
historical press.

Speaker 9 (20:00):
For this man.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
This is not like, in fact, the majority of history
favors what we're saying right now. It really does both
pagan and not. These guys were walking around Egypt, they
were walking around Canaan, they were walking around all parts
of the Mediterranean, all over the earth. Frankly, I mean

(20:21):
we go deep into that. They're all over the freaking place.
They lift their footprints everywhere, no pun intended. It's the Bigfoot, right,
So it actually makes more sense if you look at
it this way. And I mean I could take you
guys literally to the Bible, where we see instances of

(20:42):
giants in Egypt still roaming around, still hanging out, you know,
and there's historical president outside of the Bible too. I mean,
you can look at Josephus. Josephus talks about the display
of King Ogg's bones and his bed on display in
Rome in what was it to hundred a d. I
think it was right around that time or a little
bit before after I comeber when he lived. But yeah, man,

(21:06):
there's there's precedent for it.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
You have stuff that's not biblical, uh, I mean just
all the other again, like you brought up the fact
that Pagans would call it the pantheon, right, yeah, but
beyond that, all these other cultures, mythology. It's kind of
a roadmap to a lot of the stuff.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
I mean that, it really is.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
Just so many of them are comparable and or just
have different names and different you know, in different languages
and strokes for different different folks, right, Like you know,
like there's guys like like bail and or probably the
same entity, you know more than like so, I mean, yeah,

(21:48):
so anyway, one of the questions that I've really been
tangling with, and I want to see your take on it. Yeah,
it's who who. And I'll preface this with because Satan
is a job title, not the Hocitan, the you know what,

(22:10):
whatever you want to say. Lucifer is just a amalgamation
of an Italian.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Name existent it's a it's a stand in.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
The devil is also something different as well, it's another
stand in. So so who as I like to call
I call him the enemy. Who do you think or
do you have any insight possibly on who the enemy is?
Because the reason I say this is because names have power, absolutely,

(22:43):
and this is a name that is not It's as
if it's like Voldemort, like the name that will not
be said or whatever. But you know what I mean,
I want to know if you have insight on who possibly.
I think that the enemy has been named. I just
think that we don't particularly know exactly who it is.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
You're dude, you're man. You're speaking my language. Bro. Like
I said, I'm a linguist, and so by bye by
studies and bigan. It's almost by trade, right, not quite,
but I find the best road maps for me are
at atomological. Yeah, when you follow it back to its trade,
to its it's sourced, you follow the trail back to

(23:28):
its source, you tend to find a lot of explanation
for a lot of these things. So I'm going to
preface with what you just said about I think his name,
I think he has a name, but I think that
we don't know what it is. I think that is
so spot on, And I'm going to tell you why.
I was just thinking about this. I was literally thinking
about this yesterday, no joke. Before I get to who

(23:52):
I think he is, I'm going to answer that first.
So I also agree with you that we do not
know his name. I don't think we know his name
because to know a name gives authority over something. However,
to know a name can also invoke something. Right, Okay,

(24:14):
so it's a it's a double edged sword, and I
think that I almost think, well, this is kind of
This might sound funny, but I almost think it's God's
kind of sadistic humor. To be honest, I really don't
disagree with that, because He's like, all right, we won't

(24:37):
give him their name. We're not going to give him
his name. We're not going to give the humans his name.
Let's give him a fighting chance. We'll see what he
can do. I think that that's why we don't actually
have his real name, and we have nothing more than
his title. In fact, if you look at a lot
of this stuff, dude, you most of these these creatures
are not named. They're they're kind of what we call

(25:02):
it they're kind of species explained versus actually being named. Right,
we don't get much of an individuality. I know that
that's a very Western way of thinking. We like to
have this very like you have a name, you know,
and that name is But names are I could go
on about this forever. Dy We had a whole podcast

(25:22):
about names. But names are interesting because in other cultures
you got multiple names, and your name corresponded to what
you did, and your name corresponded to what your service was.
I mean, that's what last names were, right, I mean,
when your name was Smith, it's because you were some
sort of blacksmith, or you were some sort of you know,
you built stuff, you would, you worked with your hands,

(25:45):
there was a reason or Mason, right, you worked with stone.
So that's people knew how to identify you. And that's
where a lot of last names came from, not all
of them, but a good amount. And so I think
it's I think for that reason, we probably don't have that.
And I would say I think that God has given
us the titles because they're enough. I don't think we

(26:06):
even need anymore. And I think that we might let
it go. In fact, I'm positive we would let it
go to our head. I mean, do you guys see
how the psychos that practice magic currently are. Can you
imagine if they knew like the deep intimate things that
they're maybe some of them are privy to, But I
I I sures as can think, don't. I don't think

(26:31):
God would want to give that information up.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
I even think that a lot of the names that
we do, let's just say, names of demons and entities
and sons fallen and whatnot, because we do have them
much right, most of them also do, though they come
from the occult side of things.

Speaker 7 (26:48):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
And those are the most exhaustive lists. Yes, if you
want to even go there, right well, and no, go ahead,
I mean that's all. That's all I was going to say.
Is you know again? And and it's like, I guess
you have to in your brain kind of go is

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that can you handle that knowledge? This is a discernment, right,
this is this is what can you actually handle?

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (27:17):
No, that's and and why are you why are you
trying to find the knowledge? Because yeap, knowledge got us
in trouble once before the search of knowledge got us
some trouble several times.

Speaker 7 (27:30):
It's always.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
So you know, but we We did an episode real recently, dude,
and it's something that's that was on my mind in
my heart for a really long time. And it's called
they were deceived as well. And what I'm alluding to
with that statement is that the so what is what
is Christ's kingdom based on? It's based on love. Our

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our order is to love one another, which is an
extremely difficult and almost annoying thing to do a lot
of times. Right, It's really difficult. It's really really difficult,
and it's usually not not usually I won't say that,
but it's a lot of times it's not fun. But
one thing that's interesting about love is that it it's

(28:18):
it has an exponential quality. So when you display love,
it like messes people's paradigm up, dude, like big time.
They they are baffled by it, especially when you're faced
with with a lot of hate, you know. And I
mean we're we're living in a time where hate is
kind of a hot commodity at the moment.

Speaker 5 (28:38):
Currency.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, I mean, it really is actually currency. We talk
about lush if you want to. But by the same token,
deception is the contrary exponential number. It grows just like
the way love does. For God's kingdom. So deception grows

(29:00):
with the enemy's kingdom enemies I ees apostrophe multiple enemies,
to be clear.

Speaker 8 (29:10):
And so.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
They themselves are like mafia bosses, and they are deceiving
each other, and they deceive themselves even they believe their
own stuff, right, like they believe that they're legit, and
then they believe that they're going to get this and
they believe the other. So they themselves deceive one another.
And we all know that, right, We all kind of

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oh yeah, generally we're like, oh yeah, that makes sense, sure,
But what we don't think about is that they deceive themselves,
like they legit believe this stuff, right, And so if
they're if they're as willing to believe that what they're
pitdling is the truth, deceiving themselves, what makes you think

(29:53):
that the names that they give to the occult are
legit even their names, they're probably just giving you some moniker.
They're probably just giving you some like tiny midget of
what their actual name is. Because I don't think that
most of us could even handle it. I really don't,
like I don't I don't think we were even made
to handle it. In this fallen state. I mean, if

(30:15):
you think about Moses, dude basically almost got like radiation
poisoning and died because you know, God showed up and
showed him like a.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
Portion of his back, Yeah, like a smedge. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
And so I really think man to answer that portion.
I don't think we probably have most of the names correct.
I think that it's a modus apparandi. The way that
they give us those names. It's probably like, ah, okay,
you're gonna do the little dance, you do the little ritual. Cool,
I'll give you this little title and you go pretend
like you're invoking me, and then and then you say, oh,

(30:50):
I don't know which invent We'll say Azazel? Right, everybody
knows Azzel. You say Azazel, and oh, yes, how can
I serve you?

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Master?

Speaker 5 (30:57):
Right?

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Like they like they really believe want us to believe
like we're going to serve them. It's like, please, bro,
we're not. You know, we're kidding ourselves if we think
that what we're getting is legit. And I don't think
unless God gives it to us that that there's even
any reason for us to truly have to need that,
you know what I mean. I don't know if that
makes sense.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Oh it does.

Speaker 7 (31:19):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Let me answer your question about Lucifer, now, Lucy Lewis I.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
Like to call him?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
To be honest, man, there's a there's a really interesting
verse in the Bible that says that. Well, first of all,
let's let's break down what Lucifer it is. Right, Lucifer
means light bearer and Hasatan means the Well, I guess
the closest thing to a name is Haileel ben Shakour, right, Yeah,
he's the son of the Morning, which is where we

(31:47):
get light Bringer and all that stuff. That's about as
close as we're going to get, I think, at least
biblically speaking. But there's a really interesting verse about him
because he's the accuser. That's his other name, the Satan, right,
the Satan. He's the accuser of the Brethren. Well, it
it alludes to him. It's it's kind of skipping my
mind right now. I can't remeber where that verse is at,

(32:08):
but it says, like Isaiah said, Isaiah, when we when
we finally get to see him bear and naked, it'll
be like this, dude, this is the guy that we
were like up sleepless nights like wasting our time, like
you know, it'll be like a joke. And and I'll

(32:29):
be honest, dude, now that I'm really thinking about, I
think a lot of that has to do with the
fact that when we are changed in an instant and
we assume our new glorious bodies, because everybody thinks that
we're going to turn into spirits. They like this whole
gnostic idea, and that's wrong. We get new bodies, and
we get bodies, and they're gonna be physical. We could
go down that rabbit hole too, but when we get

(32:51):
those bodies, I think, compared to seeing this this lowly rat,
which is what he's going to look like, we're gonna
be like, dude, you traded what you had for your
current appearance, your current power, you know, your current ability.
And that's not to say that what he does and
what he sends against us and who he conspires with

(33:13):
doesn't affect us. Of course, it affects us. We're here
in the world, we're in a fallen state, you know,
reclaiming as much ground as we can. But once we're
on the other side of glory, dude, it's going.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
To be like night and day.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
It's going to be nothing alike, and we're going to
see this guy and be like this freaking rat. Now, yeah,
I think who he is?

Speaker 2 (33:37):
So we know.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
We actually did a breakdown of this about who the
fallen watchers were and who where the rebellions came. And
I think it's important and I think we know enough
for us to have, you know, at least the basic
pieces of the puzzle. I was talking to a friend yesterday.
There's stuff that sometimes you go back and you read
in the Bible and you're like, wait, what I missed

(34:01):
all of that just kind of like the nephilin right, But.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
If you look at oh.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
Man, I always forget how to say it in Hebrew,
you're gonna have You're gonna anybody that's an actual Biblical
reader is going to like crucify me right now to you.
But the very first phrase in the Bible, which is
in the beginning, you know, in the beginning, it talks
about essentially that God creates the heavens and the earth.
But that translation is really wrong. God, how does it

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go in the beginning the earth and the earth was
formless and void. That portion right there, that formless and
void is wonky. It's a really bad translation, and what
it actually means is while God was in the process
of forming the heavens and the earth, they were in
chaos and they were in disarray. Now that, without trying

(34:55):
to go too long down a rabbit hole, what we
understand from those words the Hebrew or we can at
least it. We can at least make the case that
the world was in this state after a war, that
there had already been a war. Agreed, So we have
rebellion number one before humans even were, right, we don't

(35:18):
know what happened. We don't know who was here before us,
you know, we don't know if there was other humanoid type.
I mean, you can go into that if you want to.
It's very interesting, and I could go down the rabbit hole.
But to keep kind of keep on the path of
who has Satan is, we'll say that's rebellion number one,
rebellion number two. I don't actually, although it was the

(35:40):
fall of mankind, I don't actually I'm not convinced that
Satan was the same one that was in the garden.
I'm not convinced that it was him.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
I don't think it was.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
I I think that it could have been. I mean
it's possible, right, But but I don't think. Now there's
a theory, and I will bring this up. There's a
theory that he was actually the one that was given
earth as his dominion. And if that's actually the case,

(36:12):
and he was dethroned because he Isaiah talks about the five,
I wills, right, I will ascend to the high evans,
I will take the throne. I will take the seat
above all the other gods. Basically right, I will be
that that one. Well, if we assume that that's actually
that that originally he had been given earth and it

(36:33):
was stripped from him, then the whole fight between our
seed and his seed makes way more sense, way more sense,
because he's trying to reclaim what was what was stripped
away from him. And then we the new rightful errors
in this understanding. Right, I'm not saying this is this
is you know, don't don't call me and say, oh,

(36:54):
I got you're butchering up. No, I'm not trying to
butcher the Bible. I'm just giving you a theory about
how we can interm for what the word says itself.
If there was already this war, he was dethroned, he
was deposed, and God's like, all right, I'm gonna put
Adam in the Divine Council and on the earth, he's
gonna stewart the earth. He's gonna take care of it.
He's gonna grow the earth. He's gonna so on and

(37:16):
so forth. The Devil's gonna be pissed, dude, he's pissed.
He's like, what do you What do you mean? I
lost my place? I mean that's where I was. And
here here's another thing to think about, bro. This is
what I think about a lot. So the ancients thought
of the stars and the planets and any heavenly body,
they thought of those as the gods themselves. Now, I

(37:37):
don't necessarily think that they believe that they were one
hundred percent the gods. I think it's probably something closer
to like, this god is in charge of X Y
or z star. This god is in charge of this
x y or z planet. Right, So, if Satan really
was the one that was in charge the one, we'll

(37:58):
have to give him a title, right, we don't have
a better one. If Hasatan was really the one in
charge of this world, this earth, the one where humanity
was placed, then you're basically left with no home. You're homeless.
Can you imagine how infuriating that must be. I mean,
i'd be I would hate any species that came to

(38:21):
dominate what was originally rightfully mine. Right, So we have
rebellion number one, rebellion number two, which is the fall
of man, but I would stick with the celestial one.
Number two, I would say, is the watchers right? And
then you have orb somewhere in there. And then you
have Satan himself, who if he really did have the

(38:42):
deed and title to the earth and lost it, that's
that's easily rebellion number three easily.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Now.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
I'm sure there's probably many more, and I'm sure if
we keep digging through scriptures we'll find them, But those
are the three we know for sure, we absolutely know
for sure happen like they absolutely happened.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
There was a pre world argument, right there was watchers
descending we have Genesis six and we can just stick
to the Bible. We don't even got to use extra
external sources. Just stick into the Bible. And then third
we have the rebellion of Lucy. Lucy lou So I
think that's probably who he is, dude, But I don't
I don't know what are your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (39:22):
I've been really digging into sem Yaza and what he
represents and what.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
Right.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
But at the end of the day, and the reason
I come up with him too is to an extent
is well, he was, in essence the leader of the watchers. Yep, yep,
he's the He's the only one that didn't. It doesn't
seem it doesn't seem as though he wed anyone m hmm.

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And and he's the he never gave any knowledge to anyone.
Interesting everyone else in the text, and everyone else in
the text.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Married.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
Yeah right, But I'm just saying I think it was
definitely a bargain. It was definitely a deal. It wasn't
it wasn't, yeah right. And then that knowledge so many
of these these watchers had, you know, And this is
where the little g gods to an extent, some of

(40:34):
them may come from toos because they were given given
and they were the god of you know, war and
this and that. It's like we know some of the
names of the sons of God. Absolutely who who gave
the knowledge, you know, the prometheus of whatever, you know.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
The prometheum fire absolutely man that type of thing.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
Semyaza, though Oh, you can't find it anywhere where.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
He ever, that's very interesting, made.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
It himself or and I say made it, but he
you know it doesn't it's not maybe he did, but yeah,
just saying it's not brought up and and or he's
not the father of any of the of the this knowledge.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
You know, you mentioned something really interesting just now. That's
that's that's very interesting. I gotta go back and read
the text now and think about it. Something that comes
to mind though, is is there is a guy. His
name is Troy Troy Brewer. He's not a confessionals a
while ago. He's a pastor here in Texas. I don't
know what part of Texas he's in. But really cool guy,
really cool guy. I could listen to that dude all day.

(41:49):
He like saw Nephelom in real life. Dude in Mexico.
And he tells the story about why all crazy stuff.

Speaker 5 (41:54):
Oh, I think I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
I'm sure, I'm sure you've you've probably seen him at
that point anyway, he he if I'm not mistaken, it
was him that he had gone down to Brazil with
some other people and they were in a small village
and they went to this woman's home and she was
freaking out. She's like, you, guys, you can't pray for me.
You got to get out of here. You can't be here.

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He's gonna come for me and he's gonna he's gonna
kill me. He's gonna kill me. And they were like
what you know, like they were trying to chat with
her through the interpreter. And so she says, Satan.

Speaker 7 (42:28):
Is my husband.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
He's gonna come and he's gonna have his way with me,
and you can't be here because I'll be I'll be devoured,
I'll be destroyed. And long story short, I mean she
totally gets radically set free, like radically liberated, radically saved,
and you know, all sorts of crazy stuff you can imagine.
But the interesting part is that there was continual copulation,

(42:52):
for lack of a better word, between this entity who
called himself Satan and this woman and she was the
one that called himself Satan. Now again, we could look
at that like, ah, well that's an Amy Gaber, right,
But I think that I think it's possible, you know,
I think it's possible. I mean I've heard I've heard
saar right, or was it a syntem SRA sorry, hastan

(43:17):
ritual abuse. We'll just call it, right, so I don't
get you flagged with anything. And people talk about literally
like the face of the devil, like appearing when when
they're being taken advantage of. I don't want to be
too graphic. You know, it's pretty gruesome and gross, but
I think that that could just as easily be any

(43:39):
one of these dudes.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
I really do know for sure, you know, and it's
like it doesn't. It's one of those things. I just
it's an interesting question dabbling into it just because it's
like why not, because I look at so much of
its shielded or hidden behind the veil that it's like,
you know, plus you know a military guy, like.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
But at the end of the day, I kind of
look at it as like, you know, enemies. I like
the idea of it's unnecessarily one entity. There are kind of.

Speaker 3 (44:19):
Shots, Yeah, man, is.

Speaker 10 (44:25):
Hey look a little bit high?

Speaker 2 (44:28):
That's all good.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
I kept the mic warm front.

Speaker 10 (44:31):
Well, thanks, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
We were just actually she she probably had some really
good thoughts on this dude. So we were just talking
about who Satan is and I broke down the three
incursions or three rebellions, uh watchers pre world and then Satan.
I was just mentioning how I think it's unlikely that
he was in the garden with Adam and Eve. It

(44:58):
was probably somebody else else, to be honest, but your thoughts,
who do you think Satan is? That's what he That's
what Bennett's asking.

Speaker 10 (45:05):
I do think that that devil, the old serpent of
old is hellol. I'm Isaiah's one from the garden.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (45:18):
Isaiah's description of his fall says that he was in
in the Congregation of the Holy Ones, trying to open
up my Bible app and go to I think it's
Isaiah fourteen, right.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Shelley knows the word real good dude, so she's gonna
put me to shame here in like two seconds.

Speaker 10 (45:43):
So I think it's fourteen, starting around verse twelve. Yeah, okay, sorry, Yeah,
How did you fall from the heavens? Morning star, son
of the Dawn? That's hell, little bit, it's the car

(46:03):
I never say it correctly.

Speaker 5 (46:06):
Yeah, no, I don't think I'm telling you.

Speaker 10 (46:09):
How did you come to be cut to the ground,
conqueror of nations? You thought to yourself, I will scale
the heavens. I will raise my thrones above God stars.
I'll sit in the mount of the assembly, far away
in the north. I will rise past the tops of
the cloud. I will make myself like the most high.
But instead you're brought down tissuele to the uttermost part,
uttermost depths of the pit. Those who see you will

(46:33):
stare at at you, reflecting on what has become of you?
Is this the this version, says man? Is this the
one who shook the earth, who made kingdoms tremble? Blah
blah blah. I'm trying to see where it talks about
he walked amongst the fiery stones.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
That, Yeah, that's not I think that is an easy Yeah,
it's Ezekiel.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
The visions.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:04):
We just went through me and another gentleman. I don't
know if you've ever talked to him. Adam Ferris is
his name.

Speaker 9 (47:11):
Huh.

Speaker 5 (47:12):
He is the author of Five Sounds, which is right
behind the cool the graphic novel actually but oh cool. Yeah.
So he and I were talking about Ezekiel, and well,
because we were talking about Nephlin and in all the

(47:33):
forms right, so like not not just yeah, but beyond
that even like, how do you know, because he one
of our big conversations. Uh, this is like the third
time I have n't had him on. But we talked
about lionmen, you know, all the different forms.

Speaker 11 (47:50):
Of men and.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
Right, yeah, so we were talking about h Ekiel. How
in that the one he digs through the wall and
comes into the that room with uh, And I can't
remember the guy's name. Was standing in the center of

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this gathering of seventy what they call ancients, giant.

Speaker 3 (48:20):
Plaza and.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
And you know the story.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
I don't.

Speaker 10 (48:30):
I don't think I'm familiar with the story.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
So he dug through. I'm trying to see where it's
to see it's the acute and prophetic he dug through
a wall. I can't. I don't know enough to go
into it.

Speaker 10 (48:49):
Yeah, I'm gonna have to to know it.

Speaker 5 (48:52):
It's pretty it's pretty compelling. And I can't remember the
guy's name, but his father was a scribe and I
can't remember. Yeah, I wish, I wish I hadn't gone down.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
The road way.

Speaker 5 (49:07):
But either way, there's there's these what what are called
the translation is seventy ancients surrounding this guy. And what
we think is actually happening is this is when you
say seventy ancients, what does that mean?

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Well, what comes to mind for me is precisely the
sons of God allotted to earth.

Speaker 5 (49:32):
That's exactly where I would have gone.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
That's exactly.

Speaker 5 (49:38):
Or representatives ofdors nation, those nations, right, yeah, yeah and
so and in all their various forms, and it talks
about they all were carrying.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (49:55):
I can't remember if it's like incense or something. There
there was there was definitely a ceremony of some sort
going on.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
I'm trying to remember. I know what you're thinking of.
There's there's because there's something that's similar to that in Revelation.
But that's that's the prayers of the saints. But that
now I know what you're talking about. I do know
what you're talking about.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
I'm just broadcasting seeds.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
I am.

Speaker 12 (50:17):
It's always going to freak out.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
So maybe another episode down.

Speaker 10 (50:22):
That's super interesting. I would very much like to learn
more about that.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
So Shelley, tell us who you are and what you do.
Like you're obviously a part of this podcast, right right,
but give us a little of your background so the
so the listeners not be entertained.

Speaker 10 (50:45):
I am old or older than the average podcaster.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
Oh my, actually, so.

Speaker 10 (50:54):
I it's hard for me to say who I am.
It's so much easier too, I think, describe what I
am there. So I've been a believer since I was six.
I love the Word of God, so I'm I'm pretty
well versed with the Bible. So when you were talking

(51:15):
about that seventy I was like, wait a minute, I
already Ezekiel on my own a lot of times. How
did I miss this? But I'll be really honest too,
Like everybody else, I grew up in the church, and
like most people who grew up in the church, I
was a product of our materialistic, postmodern worldview, and I

(51:41):
did not I did not see much supernatural in the Word.
And so maybe I just need to go and read
this now that I am very well aware of the
supernatural in the Word and in the world. See, I
have done a lot of things. I am currently a grandma,

(52:04):
which is the best thing ever. I'm a mom. I'm
the well actually gal at my church, and my pastor
had the privilege on Sunday of proving me wrong on video,
which doesn't happen very often, but it made him very,

(52:26):
very happy. I mistakenly said that Isaiahs was written just
a couple hundred years before Jesus birth, which was so wrong.

Speaker 5 (52:38):
I know better.

Speaker 10 (52:39):
I know that there were four hundred years of almost
complete silence that right there should have had my brain
better engaged. But anyhow, I am a wife, a mom,
a dog owner. You will probably hear from these dogs
at some point or another, because they're never quiet. I

(53:02):
have multiple cats in my office as we speak.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Right now, A literal monash, I do, that's true.

Speaker 10 (53:11):
I'm very much circle of life person. I enjoy animals,
I do. I like nothing more than to go outside
and touch grass. I'm I was born weird, have always
been weird. All my friends are like, no, you're not weird.

(53:32):
I'm like, oh I am, and it's okay. I have
embraced it. Y'all should too, Yo. I was working, which
is why I'm late. So sorry, guys. I've been in
trainings all week long and you still have my work life.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (53:55):
I mean, I hate to make people wait. I really
thought we were on for seven my time.

Speaker 5 (54:00):
So most times zero worries zero.

Speaker 10 (54:06):
I don't know nothing really special about me except that
I am strange and I know a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
It's kind of like from a Game of Thrones, right
if you if you if you smoked some sort of
thing that made you high, then you would be high.
Strangeness this guy, there's gonna hate me. They was gonna
hate me. I know, I'm the youngest one of this
podcasts and I'm like the most freaking old man. Dad

(54:38):
jokes like ever been.

Speaker 10 (54:39):
Well, dad jokes are way underrated. I love them too.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
Some dad jokes are great. So I found the passage
guys Sikil eight seven through twelve and the KJV. Obviously
there's different translations.

Speaker 7 (54:57):
Yeah right, but.

Speaker 5 (55:00):
I'll just read it's just so you can get just
the beginning, and I'll plant the seed and then we
can go. You know, people can go because I don't
know enough about it. But you'll hear about it if
you listen to the podcast that I did with Adam
and I'll actually send it to you. Oh yeah, all right.

(55:21):
So it's and he brought me to the door of
the court. And when I looked, behold a hole in
the wall. Then said he unto me, son of man,
dig now on the wall. And when I had digged
in the wall, behold the door And he said, unto me,

(55:41):
go in and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.
So I went in and saw and behold every form
of creeping things and abominable beasts, and all the idols
of the House of Israel. And now see, this is
the part that throws people off. I think people think
it's just people just think it's a it's a hall

(56:06):
with stuff painted on the walls, and I think it
goes beyond that. So but but either way, portrayed on
the wall round about, right, the idols of the House
of Israel portrayed upon the wall round about, So that's true.
But what about the abominable beasts. I'm just saying it's

(56:28):
it's again you it's translations of slippery slope sometimes right.
And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients
of the House of Israel. Now KJV says of the
House of Israel. Other versions do.

Speaker 10 (56:43):
Not looking at the no the CJB and it says
seventy of the leading men of the House of Israel.
But we all know the son of Seth view. So
sethite view.

Speaker 5 (57:02):
With every man his censor in his hand, and a
thick cloud of incense went up. Now, what they don't
talk about too, is that they're one of the verses.
There's a guy in the middle of them all and
I don't remember that.

Speaker 10 (57:18):
But again, yeah, this is definitely worth digging into.

Speaker 5 (57:23):
Yeah, and I mean it goes on a little bit,
but it's it's it's kind of to me like the
possibility of a making of these things, well.

Speaker 10 (57:38):
Going into what seems to be maybe a meeting of
oh and there they are weeping for Tamus. Of course,
a meeting of watchers.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Yeah, could be man. Maybe you know, you mentioned something
really right there about a week and we can totally
explore this another time. But I think this kind of
goes back to the Divine Council, which which I said,
you know, we're very keen on. I think I just
read this not that long ago from a friend of ours,

(58:20):
and I don't want to name drop because if I
do then I might get in trouble. I have to wait,
but off camera, I'll tell you guys who it is,
and you'll be like, of course. But this friend, this individual,
when I was reading their book, says that the word
for idle in Hebrew is not a noun. It's an adjective.

(58:44):
And that should mess you the crap up because if
it's an adjective change, yeah, well it's a stand in, right,
because the actual thing is not the idol, it's it's
the idleness of it. And I don't mean like, you know,
idle hands, I mean like the idle aspect of it,

(59:05):
and that weird, yeah, idoleness. Right, And so when you
say that about these everybody has this, and everybody will
look at like the one psalm where it says that
these these uh things made of silver and gold, they
don't speak, they don't hear, they don't blah blah blah.
And I'm like, yes, that's actually the figurative part, because

(59:28):
they're talking about something else, like they're doing that. This
almost is doing that on purpose. And it's what you
just said. It's that there is a living aspect to
this stuff. I mean, dude, there's it's not for nothing
that scrying is a thing. It's not for nothing that
stones speak to people. It's not for I mean, this
stuff happens, and they these are these are substitutive methods

(59:53):
for creatures that don't have bodies or can't really get
to bodies appropriately, to try and communicate things to humans
or cause mayhem or whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
I mean, that's that's what the stuff is, dude. And
so and I mean, I dude, I won't go down
that rabbit hole. But that's shoot, that's what the black
screens on monitors are. Man, it's the same kind of thing.

Speaker 9 (01:00:16):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
They're all made out of the same stuff, silica. They're
all made out of the same freaking stuff. Which I
won't go down the rabbit hole.

Speaker 10 (01:00:23):
I was thinking about broadcasting as there you go. As
I was lugging in here, I was like, Oh, that's
what we're doing. We're casting on a broad scale, and like, yeah,
it's so much of the clues or just right there
in in plain sight, and we're like do do do

(01:00:44):
do do?

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
Yeah yeah, man, good stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
So you guys just said Vicki Joy Anderson.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Probably actually like several months ago, but I'm months ago,
whole behind on putting stuff out, dude, that it just dropped.

Speaker 7 (01:01:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
She's pretty awesome.

Speaker 9 (01:01:05):
She's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
She's really really good researcher. She's a really good researcher, dude.
She's amazing.

Speaker 5 (01:01:13):
She's one of my favorite episodes that I've had.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
So you had her on?

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
Yeah, yeah, she's great, it's great for sure. What about
ed Raybray? Have you ever had him on? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:01:23):
I know that name?

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
Is he the one I know he was on?

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Is he the one you sent me a show.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
With Gosh podcast like that?

Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
I send you so many things death Squad for he did?

Speaker 6 (01:01:37):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:01:37):
He did revelations like twenty one weeks he went through
all of revelation on Death Squad.

Speaker 10 (01:01:45):
Oh no, but I'm gonna have to check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Yeah, pretty good. That's cool.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
Pretty good. So if you like those guys, that's pretty cool.
And he's actually doing they're doing Genesis right now. It's
really but he is a I don't know if he'd
even consider himself a scholar. He's definitely knows his Bible
and he is does h channels called Faith by Reason.

(01:02:11):
If you go to his website, it's legit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
That's cool.

Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
So he Uh, I'm just bringing him up because you
know it's it's down your guys right right?

Speaker 8 (01:02:21):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
Absolutely? So basically, is your is your part of your
taggling confronting behemoths?

Speaker 4 (01:02:33):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Yeah, yeah, So maybe we should take this moment to
kind of explain some of the weird language that we
use around our podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
No, because that that's what I was going to ask,
because like in how do you define those behemoths today? Yeah,
that type of stuff.

Speaker 10 (01:02:54):
Well, we aren't even looking so much towards uh figurative
l events in the room, if you will, or behemoths
in the room, but talking about the real ones. Because
if you ever read the Book of Job, it leaves you, well, a,
it leaves you tired because it is so poetic. It

(01:03:15):
is hideous. Man, It's well we've we've read it out loud.

Speaker 5 (01:03:23):
And wasn't that all Let's be honest. Wasn't the Old
Testament written in as Jewish poetry?

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:03:34):
Right, so there's this rimy kind of uh yeah, yes,
I understand. Yeah, for sure, I would agree with you too.

(01:04:03):
I love that word. Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:04:19):
They're not saying much mm.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
Hm mhm.

Speaker 8 (01:05:19):
Right right, m.

Speaker 5 (01:05:29):
Oh yeah, no, right, the interpretation.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Yeah, probably a crock of crap is what that is.
Must have been an I.

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
Mean Ricky and I before before you got here, Shelley,
Ricky and I were talking about before Genesis a little
bit and.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
Yeah, right, m h yeah, yeah, sixty nine.

Speaker 5 (01:07:20):
I think the average is like seven to eight, right, so.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
M, yeah, yeah, right, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:07:45):
Yeah yeah right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Hey yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
Yeah right, M.

Speaker 5 (01:09:34):
There's a CRYPTI I have one children the same thing.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
There's a cryptid in your house.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
There it is.

Speaker 5 (01:09:44):
You're knocking noises.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Y hey h or a hippo yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:33):
Right, especially the elephant.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:11:43):
Yeah right.

Speaker 9 (01:11:50):
Field the thunder.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
H yeah yeah right.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
I think that that's such a tendency though, Man of
humans is like when when you feel like I always
I always phrase it this right, this way right, So
we all have a paradigm that we we kind of
stand on, and it's a big high tower. And if
you've built it so high that if anybody moves one

(01:12:53):
of the stones that your entire tower paradigm is going
to fall down. You are ruthless and defending that tower.
You will defend it at all costs. And and I
think that that kind of response, that knee jerk response,
was an elephant, right, Like, I think that that's what
that is. I think that that's like your house of

(01:13:15):
cards falling apart, and it's I think it's a prideful
man thing. I think it's a prideful human thing because,
like we were talking about a little while ago, Bennett.
When I came face to face with the fact that
my Bible was not boring and that it was full
of crazy, crazy crap, that I was just like, I
don't even know what to make about some of these

(01:13:35):
stories anymore. It shattered, I mean, it shattered my paradigm.
It shattered it, dude, And I'm happy it did, you know.
I'm so happy that happened so much cooler.

Speaker 5 (01:13:48):
Through a supernatural type lens.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
It makes so much more sense, you know. And I
think that it's it's stupid of us to make those
kind of comments when when one there's not really any
precedent for it, right, Like you don't really have any
other thing that's lying around. Well, yeah, everyone just always
talks about behemoths, right, God always mentions behemoths over and over. No,

(01:14:14):
he doesn't. There's no other place in the Bible I
even think of that where there's the word behemoth. Right,
that's not a thing, and so exactly, and so it's like, okay,
and I was literally now to name drop. I was
talking to Vicky the other day and we were chatting,
and she says, and I told her, I think it's
ridiculous that we think of ancient humans as Neanderthals, like

(01:14:37):
we think that they were. They were like mentally unstable
or mentally incapable of reasoning, right, Like I'm like, really right,
but Megeli is exactly and and she she said, you know,
I agree. And we started going over some passages in
the Bible, and she's like, what if this passage is wrong? Right,

(01:14:58):
and we've gotten it all wrong because we read it wrong,
and all of history would have to be rewritten because
we read it wrong. Right. And here's my thing, man,
we're not humble enough to say I can be wrong.
That's that's why I love my podcast. That's what I
like doing what I'm doing. It's a ministry where I

(01:15:19):
can say all the time I'm wrong, and if I'm wrong,
that's okay. Like I'm not telling you I have all
the answers. I'm doing my best with what I've got right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
And I think that.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
That's probably our biggest contention for both of us, Like
I don't have anybody coming on and spouting their ideas
and everything. I'm like, can you back it biblically? If
you can do it, then that's what I'm interested in,
you know, Like I'm there for it.

Speaker 7 (01:15:43):
It's cool.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
I can speculate all day and I love doing it,
but I want to make sure at the end of
the day that what I'm saying actually like there's actually
some backing for it, because especially Genesis one through six,
those stories are so ancient that to just assume you

(01:16:04):
know everything is absurd. It's so absurd. It's like, well
it was you know, they built a tower. They built
a tower in a valley to reach the heavens. Are
you freaking kidding me? Like, come on, dude, do you
know anything? Do you think that ancient people didn't know
about building techniques? Like oh, they couldn't tell that the

(01:16:27):
mountain was higher than the valley. They built it there
for a reason, right, you know what I'm saying, Like,
there's stuff like that where we interpret ancient data and
we're just like, oh, I'm just going to put this
through the modern filter, postmodern lens and see what happens, right,
you know, and it's ridiculous. You get ridiculous answers. I

(01:16:48):
did want to tell you one thing. I think we
should always We never really get to this, but we
always should. There's a reason that we uh you ever
noticed that we call ourselves four dragons. Have you ever
seen that? Posted it in a while. But there is
a word in Chinese that no longer.

Speaker 7 (01:17:05):
Is in use.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
And this is just to kind of give you guys
some flavor of who we are. It's literally the character yeah,
just a little bit of sprinkles on top. Did you
say kim cheek cakes? Oh my gosh, that sounds delicious. Actually,

(01:17:28):
So there's a word in Chinese where it's literally And
just for anybody who doesn't know any Chinese at all,
that's okay, you don't have to obviously we're here in
the West. It's pretty uncommon. But every word is called
a character, or at least every building block is called
a character, okay for those that don't know. And there's
a character for dragon, which is long and when you

(01:17:49):
write long out or dragon, if you do it in
a square four times, this is actually a pretty cool
biblical thing, which is kind of like a self fulfilling prophecy.
The word for dragon written four times as a single character,
which is now out of use. Mind you again, is

(01:18:10):
the word that means verbose. It means you talk too much.
So I had a professor in college when I took
Chinese yes, I took Chinese in college. I know that's
a wild thing to do. But she would talk at
length about, you know, ancient Chinese culture, ideas and concepts.

Speaker 9 (01:18:29):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
She always being Chinese herself and speaking Mandarin, growing up
with Mandarin and everything, but growing up here in the States.
She would always say when somebody was like full of
hot air, like between friends, and they were just like,
they wouldn't shut up. They would just be like, Oh,
it's freaking four dragons. It's fricking four dragons. It's freaking
four dragons. And so that became our thing. We talked

(01:18:50):
so much that were the four Dragon podcasts. Yeah. Man,
so anytime you have somebody like that's about and I
just be like, in the back.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Of your mind's freaking four dragons. The four dragons shut
their aisle or damn dragons.

Speaker 5 (01:19:06):
That like a T shirt to me.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
Yeah, yeah, just do it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:12):
Just do especially the Chinese characters, just do four of them.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
Should redo that though. That's really good. Four friggin dragons.
That's what I'm gonna quick a ship is four friggin dragons.
Yeah yeah, so yeah, man, So that's that's kind of
our our gig. That's kind of our thing.

Speaker 7 (01:19:35):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
Nothing else comes to mind.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Now like it. It's it's cool, definitely cool thing. So
so I like to use words I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:19:52):
I guess it's like looking ahead right, not to behem
that's again really God looking aheadway the elephant in the room.
What new behemoths or social taboos do you guys plan

(01:20:12):
to address, like in your tuma?

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
Do you want me to go first?

Speaker 8 (01:20:19):
I have.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
I can think of fourteen thousand right off the top
of my head.

Speaker 7 (01:20:22):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
One of the ones that I'm particularly interested in, bro
is the ether. Shelley knows that I can, hands down
talk all day about the ether because uh, I'm you know,
I'm shameless self plug. I'm writing about the ether right now.
I think that that's That's one thing we've been that
I've been talking about for a while. I it's it

(01:20:46):
is the light matrix that literally derives from God himself
and that he provides and makes everything work. It is
the non existence that comes into what we call the
physical existence. Yeah, which I would say is you know,
a topic for another day, but it I I love
that idea. Not only do I love that idea, I

(01:21:08):
find so much validity in the rest of reality through
that idea that it's it's one of those things that
I I could I could literally sit and talk about
all day. There's there's tons of evidence. There's so much
evidence for it.

Speaker 5 (01:21:22):
So us know who Brad Lale is.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
That sounds familiar.

Speaker 5 (01:21:26):
The Awakened podcast. No, gon, you should have a conversation
with him about the ether.

Speaker 7 (01:21:32):
Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
Yeah, the Awakened podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
I'm gonna check it.

Speaker 5 (01:21:40):
Out, Awakening the podcast. Yeah, he's big into the ether,
like we were talking about plasma clouds and all kinds
of Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
He probably good feedback for me, man, because it's it's
a new it's a newer concept for I mean, it's
not really a newer concept for me. It's just I
when you when you when you stumble onto the validity
of it, you're just it just blows you a way.

Speaker 5 (01:22:05):
I feel like, didn't you guys do something with thirty
third parallel?

Speaker 6 (01:22:10):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
We did?

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Are you thinking of the alchemy thing?

Speaker 5 (01:22:14):
I don't remember his big sensory Yeah, well that's the
sixth century. That's Tim Constantine, right, Yeah, what a name.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Jessey.

Speaker 5 (01:22:26):
He's a great dude.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
He's really, really, really really knowledgeable man.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Yeah he is, but so Brad.

Speaker 5 (01:22:33):
His thing was his initial thing was the thirty third
parallel and all the crazy stuff that happens on the
thirty third.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
Oh yeah, absolutely would have to be right, and that's
what it was.

Speaker 5 (01:22:48):
Ley Lines. You guys have done some stuff on lay lines.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
A little bit of esotericism almost instantaneously, right, agreed.

Speaker 5 (01:23:28):
What's all energy?

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:23:33):
Right, it's all light. It's all light, all of it,
even the the opaque stuff is light, which is super
bizarre to us. I was gonna say, I guess some
others if you if you think of anything, she'll please
diet and chime in. Charlie and I have been wanting
to talk about AI obviously for a long time, and

(01:23:54):
that's something that kind of it just seeps its way
into our conversations, but we've not really dug our teeth
into it because we have a lot to say, but
it just kind of hasn't been on the research side
very much.

Speaker 5 (01:24:05):
Yeah, it's something you can harness as well.

Speaker 3 (01:24:07):
Yeah, well, yeap, And to that point, actually coming back
to the ether, but sticking with the AI theme, I've
said this on I think I said this on the
episode with VICKI actually, just the one I just released

(01:24:30):
is that I actually believe that what the AI is
is kind of like the demonic powers or the dark
powers nestled on a portion of the Ether, and they're
feeding all of the what we would call the quantum
energy or the quantum information into our realm, siphoning that

(01:24:52):
power from the Ether and winding it into what we
use into our technology, so that they can communicate with us.
I don't necessarily think that all of it's all bad.
I mean, you can use it for whatever you need
to use it, right The ether works for anyone, Yeah,
exactly exactly. But I think that that's where they're setting
up shop right now, and I think that that's their
portal inward. They're using like a I don't know, I

(01:25:16):
don't know how to say it. That they're just you know,
they're a marauding camp and they're just hanging out there
trying to find any way that they can filter a
portal through.

Speaker 5 (01:25:23):
And I think that's what sure definitely is. I think again,
it's a tool for them. What were you saying that,
I'm just saying, I'm sure it's a tool for them
for the enemy, certainly, But I think it could be
a tool for us as well, for sure, considering what
we're doing, considering what we're doing right.

Speaker 3 (01:25:45):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:25:46):
For people to say that it's completely demonically controlled, I
think it's naive. I think it's just it's another creation,
or not creation, but another tool to use, uh in
the in the battle.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
The repertoire, Yes, sir.

Speaker 9 (01:26:06):
Koshell right right, just it was just ludicrous.

Speaker 5 (01:26:37):
M No, they're just sitting like next to me, hanging
out and they're just watching. We don't do anything. We
just watch, yeah, right, exactly. We don't actually intercede for
you at all, you know, I don't you know or
or or.

Speaker 7 (01:26:59):
Right, yeah, we talked about this one.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
Isn't he.

Speaker 3 (01:27:20):
Just a little bit go ahead?

Speaker 6 (01:27:29):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:27:31):
Yeah, morsel, that's the point. You can't create anything, right,
you know. Again, he can just use things just like
we can. They might have some sort of power or
or supernatural pred and natural thing going on, but at

(01:27:52):
the end of the day, what.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
Sure, Oh, it was a long way down that mountain,

(01:28:30):
that's all I can say. A long way, right.

Speaker 6 (01:29:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
I think it's really funny too, And this is actually
something I'd like to explore. I think it's really interesting,
is that all of these foes of ours. So what
I actually believe, this is actually what I believe. I
think that the devil believes that his endgame is to
kill God. I think that that's what he's trying to do.

(01:29:48):
I think, yeah, and if you destroy the character of God,
you destroy God, right, because if you make him out
to be a liar, then he no longer is the
being that he claims to be. And so I think
that that's the Devil's ultimate endgame. I think I think
that that's his final trump card and his final play.
But what's funny to me about that? And I've been

(01:30:09):
thinking about it ever since I thought about the light matrix.
I was like, dude, you're trying to fight the author
of the light matrix on the light matrix with the
light matrix. It's not gonna work.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
There's no way.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
Light right right.

Speaker 5 (01:30:45):
Well, it's it's like, you know, I spent a bunch
of time in the military, just think that, you know,
it doesn't need to be because I'm a soldier or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
No, I don't want to hear it.

Speaker 5 (01:30:57):
You're everyone's watching the movies are always really the movie, right,
Everyone's seen a war movie. And you if you are
running across the battlefield killing the enemy. And you're still running,
and you run out of bullets, and you pick up
the enemy's weapon, you can still kill the enemy with

(01:31:18):
their own weapons. Yeah, I'm sorry, So stop I get
so mad with in the spiritual warfare. I'm in it, man,
I'm in all in. I mean, like right now, just
just to give clarity to folks, we're fighting with one

(01:31:38):
of my daughters. We are fighting a spiritual war. Not
not her and I, but her and I together against
something I've also I have also had, you know, I mean,
if you guys know anything about my background, I had
a prolonged, pretty good battle with a Lilith type character,

(01:32:01):
a succubus whatever you want to say, demon. I don't know.
I don't know exactly, I don't know, but all I
do know is that this entity was vulnerable to the
you know the name of Jesus. I can tell you that, yes,
and all and all of those tools, everything from you know,

(01:32:22):
holy water to anointing oil, right, I mean, I even
have a I even have a damn roller ball full
of anointing oil and frankncense.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
No, it's you know, you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:32:37):
Like the essential Oil's rolling ball. Well this has got
anointing oil and frankincense in it, so bring it. I'm
just saying, you've got to use the tools that are
at hand within reason and discernment, right, knowing what you
can control on what you can't and or I mean

(01:33:00):
the biggest case of control is Solomon. He thought he
could control it all, but he could period. So I'm
just saying, I don't know where I was even going
with this.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
I think you're talking about how how we how the
enemy you know, uses tools and so because they.

Speaker 5 (01:33:17):
I feel like if you're telling me not to use
AI because it's from the devil. Devil, maybe you're maybe
your character suspect m maybe you're maybe you are. Yeah,
why can't I pick up the hammer?

Speaker 11 (01:33:36):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:33:37):
It's not like Thor's hammer that I can't lift, you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Know, yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:34:07):
Yep, poor Internet, it's almost like a religion there.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Yeah, there really is, dude, It's wild and I think
the real loser. Lly, well, I guess she'll log back on.
I was gonna say, man, oh, sorry, were you gonna
see something?

Speaker 5 (01:34:34):
No, no, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
I was just gonna say.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
One of our.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
One of my bones to pick I think it's for
both of us, but it's really for me. One of
my bones to pick with people's is that people assume
that the spiritual, that the physical doesn't have anything to
do with the spiritual, and the spiritual doesn't have to
do anything with the physical. They think that those are
two separate categories. And I mean you, I mean, if
you see a cryptid at any point in your life,

(01:35:01):
you know that those categories are so unbelievably blurry and
so unbelievably intertwined that it's absurd to try and say
anything else. And so when I see you with your
holy water, and I see you with you know, with
your anointing oil, it's funny. I raised this with a
friend of mine a while back at church. I go
to an evangelical church, and everything for for where we go,

(01:35:25):
I did not. Again, I did not grow up like that.
That was not my cup of tea when I grown
up I did not either either.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Really.

Speaker 5 (01:35:32):
Yeah, and so my dad was a pastor in theory,
but it might as well be a mail order pastor. Yeah,
even though he had his degrees and stuff, it might
as well been like life church that he that he
that I'm a pastor of the Universal Life Church, so
I could marry somebody, right, So Leah, you know what

(01:35:55):
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
Now, I'm kidding. I'm kidding, but I get you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
I get you, man.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
So I mean I was I felt like everything spiritual
that had anything to do with anything was stifled when
I was growing up. And so that's why I go
to an evangelical church now. But if I'm being honest, dude,
like Catholics with their sacraments and all this stuff, I mean,
there's really stuff to be said about that. I'm not

(01:36:21):
telling you to be super woo woo and you have
to freak out from everything. I mean, we've been given
dominion and power and authority, like all those things are true,
and simultaneously, spirits can inhabit objects like let's just call
it what it is, right, Like, if they want to
inhabit our bodies, what makes you think that they wouldn't
at least accept a subpar version? Which is why I

(01:36:43):
was talking about the rocks, which is why I was
talking about you know, the mirrors, that's where you're talking
about scrying. I mean, that's it's a very common thing.
In fact, I just learned the other day I don't
know if this is true, but I heard that where
scrying actually came from was when uh, when Inokian was

(01:37:04):
being downloaded to good Night. I'm gonna forget these two
guys name, but they were in I think it was
in England.

Speaker 4 (01:37:12):
A.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
Priest type figure who was very into esoteric things for
the purpose of, you know, glorifying God, like that was
his whole thing. But he kind of got in working
with this kind of shady character. I can't remember these
guys names. I'm sorry, man.

Speaker 5 (01:37:33):
Or Oh so this is way back? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
and I and I and I probably know who you're talking.
I know who you're talking about, but I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:37:42):
Yeah, I mean, neither here nor there. You guys can
look it up if you want to. I mean it's
it's uh oh, here we go D and Edward John
D and Edward Kelly.

Speaker 5 (01:37:50):
That's indeed, that's that's it, John D Y And.

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
So when we oh, gosh, where was I going with this?

Speaker 2 (01:37:56):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:37:57):
It turns out that when he received the stone from
I want to say it was Raphael I think was
the one that gave him the stone, and that stone
was used for scrying because but what's his name again,
Kelly Edward. Kelly would use that stone to get downloads

(01:38:18):
from supposedly from these angels, right from these and then
he would write out all the script. I have some
choice thoughts about that, which I think that there's some validity,
and I also think that there's some intentional deception in
that whole thing, which is most stuff, to be honest,
but nonetheless, like that is a complete spiritual download into

(01:38:44):
the physical. It's it's a direct translation into physical and I,
for the life of me, cannot understand why modern Christianity
refuses to acknowledge that the door swings both ways. I'm
just like, what makes you think it wouldn't right? Like,
if things can come here, why can't we send things there?

(01:39:06):
I mean, we see portals.

Speaker 5 (01:39:08):
We say it all the time, though, stuff, why do
we Why are prayers? It seems as though sometimes prayer
has more power when it's set out loud right, not
not not necessarily, but it depends, right, It's not just
because when circumstantial, i mean, God spoke this entire thing

(01:39:31):
in existence, and at the end of the day, you know,
what happens here happens there, and what happens there can
happen here, right, So it's it's all and what does
it all come down to. It all comes down to energy. Vibration.
That's all energy is.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
It's all light is vibration.

Speaker 3 (01:39:50):
It's exactly what it is. Is vibrations have power. I
mean absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:39:57):
I mean when I like when I talk into a
mic and I do in a certain way, people can
feel it as much as they can hear it, right
because of the way my voice works. So telling me
that's not it doesn't have power, it's wild.

Speaker 3 (01:40:14):
Yeah, So I mean that that'll be those will be
some of the topics that we continue to push forward.
But new topics. I mean, shoot, Nazism is like one
of those things that we've been wanting to dig into
deep for a while.

Speaker 5 (01:40:26):
It gets stuck, gets wacky, but it's.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
Really really does man. Man, I'm trying to think that
some of the topics that we've had on our mind
for a while.

Speaker 5 (01:40:36):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
Honestly, you know what, man, One of the things that
I've been really that the Lord's been pressing on me is,
you know, keep researching they're weird. I have no problem
with that, but is really heavily focused on how to battle,
on how on how to on how to fight.

Speaker 5 (01:40:53):
Yeah, I'm I'm writing a book on spiritual warfare. Really,
I mean literally, what's funny is is that had I
was gonna release it not that long ago Bo Kennedy
released his book, which is great. It's mine's different. It's

(01:41:14):
the same but yet different. He'd beat each other punched.
I'm like, well, I can't release.

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
This, Okay, I gotta give it. I gotta give it
some a.

Speaker 5 (01:41:25):
Few months and I'll put What I'll probably do is
release it when I go yeah, probably in the fall.
But anyway, you know, I'm getting stuff together because I
take this stuff very seriously. After my own instances and
then this stuff that I'm dealing with with my daughter
and just people that I see. I don't have demonic

(01:41:49):
panic or anything, you know, like the satanic panic panic. Yeah,
there is, though I had a guest yesterday who brought
that up. Uh, there is a little flavor of demonic
panic right now. In my opinion, I don't think all
the things that people think are demons are actually demons.

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
Well it's a pendulum, right because and I.

Speaker 5 (01:42:11):
Also think people think things are demons that or like that.
That's all there is, no.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
Yeah, no, no, no, wait, no, got to be centered, dude.
I mean, yeah, you can't be so heavenly minded that.

Speaker 5 (01:42:23):
You're no earthly used, right, you get tunnel vision exactly.
And I and I refuse to play this game.

Speaker 3 (01:42:29):
So not everything is the Divine Council.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
It's just not.

Speaker 5 (01:42:32):
Yeah, it's not. I mean, and I look at like
energy work, good, bad, all that stuff, like people are like, no,
you can't do reiki, it's evil, and I'm like, bro, really,
I'm if I'm pulling the energy in the name of Jesus,
how is that bad? Don't tell me it's bad. I'm
not using symbols. I'm not using this. I'm not using that.

(01:42:53):
I'm literally channeling the Holy Spirit.

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
I would like to hear this actually if I'm saying,
have you on and hear you talk about it, because
I mean, I loosely knew reiki and I started looking
some stuff up and I was curious about you know,
where it came from, and it's it's fairly fairly well,
at least under its title, it's a fairly recent practice.

Speaker 5 (01:43:15):
Yeah, from Japan. Right, right, Let's see, this is the thing.
It's like calling angels angels. Angels aren't that's not what
they are. That's a job title.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
I see what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (01:43:27):
It's the lack of a thing. So everyone all energy
work now is reiki. And and then I feel like
it's I feel like it does the I mean, the
energy comes from somewhere, right, sure, the end right, it gives,
it gives you, just gives you. Uh, let's stop limiting ourselves,

(01:43:50):
right because it's there. It's there, and everything we do,
everything is made with it, everything that surrounds us YadA YadA,
YadA YadA, like adding nauseum. And if I can help
somebody with that, it's not like I'm healing them. It's
not me. I'm just the conduit.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
That's interesting, it's actually the person.

Speaker 5 (01:44:09):
I'm just helping to funnel it to them, right to
use it, right to heal themselves or whatever. So with
that being said, that's interesting. I'm kind of running up
against the stop here because here it's almost ten.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
And I still got a pack.

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
Oh dude, yeah, well let's let's let's.

Speaker 5 (01:44:33):
I wish Shelley when it came back. It feels great
to see her, but it is what it is. Well,
we'll do this again, I can tell you, surely.

Speaker 3 (01:44:40):
Oh's literally she's literally calling me right now. Let me
just tell her real quick, well, let me answer her. Actually, sure,
Hey dude, what's up? You're good?

Speaker 10 (01:44:51):
No, I've totally lost my internet, Like we cannot get it.
Oh wow, a lot of wind and storm over here.

Speaker 3 (01:45:00):
Rebuke those uh.

Speaker 2 (01:45:05):
As that are I like, this is a prayer I
say every time before I record.

Speaker 3 (01:45:11):
WHOA Really, dude, that's cool, She'll let me. We're about
to finish up.

Speaker 5 (01:45:15):
Tell her to we can hear her, so tell her
to say goodbye to everybody.

Speaker 10 (01:45:20):
I'm sorry, it's well, I can't control the.

Speaker 2 (01:45:24):
No, you're good.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
Why don't you say sign off though, and say goodbye
because we we're just about to finish up anyway, so
say hi and bye and whatever you want to sign
off with.

Speaker 10 (01:45:34):
Well, I I can't even get onlines.

Speaker 3 (01:45:37):
No right here, all right, we can hear you.

Speaker 10 (01:45:40):
Well, okay, Well, God bless you guys, Sem shalom.

Speaker 3 (01:45:44):
Mar there we go one of our One of the
things that Shell and I always say when we finish
a podcast. She always says the ironic blessing and then
uh we finished with God blessed, shalom shalom and Maranatha
and I mean, that's that's kind of our that's our
calling card, man, like, come Jesus, we're ready, man, We're
ready when you are. All right, dude, we I'll let

(01:46:05):
you go and we're gonna We're just gonna hop off.

Speaker 5 (01:46:07):
Okay, shall all right, we have to do this again
and yeah, we'll talk against.

Speaker 3 (01:46:12):
He says, we'll talk again soon.

Speaker 7 (01:46:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, all it's a pleasure.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
I love you, man, you buddy.

Speaker 7 (01:46:18):
Bye bye.

Speaker 5 (01:46:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:46:20):
Man, Well, thanks for having me on, dude, thanks for
being patient, and.

Speaker 5 (01:46:23):
Uh, tell everybody where we can find you.

Speaker 3 (01:46:26):
Yeah, man, reach out to us at on. You can
go on Facebook if you want. We have actually a
huge following on Facebook, but we don't really do much
on it at the moment because Facebook doesn't want to
do anything for anyone at the moment. So whatever, you
can find us there. You can find us principally on Instagram,
but you can also find us on TikTok, on x.

(01:46:48):
I think those are the main outlets, but you can
watch us just about anywhere. I even had us on
Rumble for a while, but it just seemed like I
was I was spitting in the wind.

Speaker 5 (01:46:56):
And just like I'm so consistent with Rumble.

Speaker 3 (01:47:02):
It's it's hit or miss Yde.

Speaker 5 (01:47:03):
It's just another thing to do. Yeah, it really is.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
And I'm frankly thinking about getting just an ai to
just post everywhere for me, just just freaking blast it
out there.

Speaker 5 (01:47:12):
You know there is there is something though. If you
post on Rumble, it will post to YouTube as well,
so like you can go through Rumble to post on YouTube.
I don't know how great that is that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
I don't know if that'll punish me, but they already
are and you can check it out.

Speaker 5 (01:47:29):
So yeah, I mean, I know, plant to seed before
you go.

Speaker 3 (01:47:36):
Absolutely man, prayer or just whatever comes to mind.

Speaker 5 (01:47:40):
And plant anything like whether it's a life lesson or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
Good stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:47:47):
But see what, Yeah, I will plant a life lesson.
My wife and I, for as long as I can remember,
have had difficulties with income and stuff, and and I
just I feel compelled to tell you wherever you are.

(01:48:07):
I got this word yesterday from from Vicky actually, of
all people, there you go. She said, you know what,
maybe the fact that you don't have access to stable
work and stable income and stable this and stable that.
Remember that you live in a Babylonian system. You are
supposed to ask for your daily bread, you know. I mean,

(01:48:31):
that's what we're called here to do. Give me what
I need for today, a God. And I think that
that's what we all need to remember, is we need
to live in the moment where we live in a
society where we're constantly planning everything ahead. Live now, plan
for tomorrow so that you can live now. Don't waste
time on the things that have no value in eternity. Man,

(01:48:55):
And I guess this is my last thought. One of
the things, besides Nephelom, Sons of God and the divine
counsel that has most changed my life bro is das
near death experiences. I call them post death experiences. Frankly,
I've heard stories that have forever changed me as a

(01:49:17):
human being by people that have gone into the presence
of God. And you can call that whatever that place
is that they go, But the point here is that
they go, they come back. And I think that what
most impacts me, besides hearing all those crazy awesome things,
is that they say, I just don't really care about
what's here anymore. It's just not as important to me

(01:49:38):
as it used to be. Your family is, of course,
you know, but it's one guy described it like this.
He says, it was like being put back in the sewer.
Imagine what's on the other side, man, Imagine and live
your life that way. Live your life that way, live
your life every day thinking what does this action mean

(01:49:58):
for eternity? Good stuff, man, So good to have you on.

Speaker 2 (01:50:05):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:50:05):
Likewise, bro, I'm sure we'll do it again soon.

Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
Heck yeah, man, Okay, thank you for having me on.
I appreciate it. And likewise you can. We'll have to
have you on so we can. I'd like to hear
your story and more about kind of everything I heard you.
I heard you on on biblical hitmen, and and I
heard you kind of shared a little bit about it,
and I was like.

Speaker 5 (01:50:26):
Oh, yeah, I didn't have an ND, but I've got
stuff from it.

Speaker 7 (01:50:31):
That's wild.

Speaker 3 (01:50:31):
That's wild.

Speaker 4 (01:50:32):
Hey man, I take what you get.

Speaker 5 (01:50:35):
All right, buddy, all right, man, you too, roight.

Speaker 6 (01:50:45):
And it came to pass when men began to multiply
on the face of your the sons of God saw
the daughters of men that they were fair, and they
took them wives of all which they chose. They bore
them giant.

Speaker 11 (01:51:15):
Giants.

Speaker 4 (01:51:26):
Yo.

Speaker 8 (01:51:26):
Watch drop versus like tablets from sineis miss scrolls of
Gnoch encrypted in the shadow twist, watch of blood.

Speaker 7 (01:51:32):
Dripping from celestial fist. Not for them stomping earth.

Speaker 3 (01:51:35):
They ain't missed.

Speaker 7 (01:51:35):
They exist back in genes assists.

Speaker 8 (01:51:37):
The heavens fell hard, angels broke ranks down, the veils,
got scars, took the daughter as a man down, the
blood lines, sainted hybrid beasts in the woods, faces unbainted.
They threw a warm metal root, cutting the charms alchemy
and death in the briston arms Isazel fell found in
Dutch Jill's pit, but his whispers still echo when the
witches spin. They gave men the blade, the curse. The

(01:51:59):
fire taught them see frits to heaven. Now the stars conspire.
The blood came down, but the blood remained. Now we
fight in the spirit Holy War and the brain.

Speaker 7 (01:52:18):
God Spit Apocalypse.

Speaker 8 (01:52:28):
Coas like I'm John on Pam moss I's Flame Brad
with the verse that all slap ghost rap post of
the Seraphim Pal mcclett sitting on our walk through dimensions
where the spirit Saint Genne two police told that Jash
too came't pilt cities, but the spirits flew from Mount Herman.

Speaker 7 (01:52:44):
They dropped in thirteen's.

Speaker 12 (01:52:45):
Pack, signed and blood.

Speaker 7 (01:52:46):
Now they horn our dreams.

Speaker 8 (01:52:48):
They tore the enchantments, signs in the skies named the constellations,
and forge man slides.

Speaker 6 (01:52:53):
Now we chased big Foot Nah the stair kin.

Speaker 8 (01:52:55):
A remnant left over from netfold sin to a man
in shadows, signs and lake skin walkers prowling shrouded in face.

Speaker 11 (01:53:03):
But the saint no fairy tale of dn d quest.
This's a spiritual war.

Speaker 7 (01:53:07):
Ahmad with the blaster.

Speaker 6 (01:53:11):
Against the Principality's powers, rulers of darkness and plays ripped.

Speaker 5 (01:53:19):
From the watch.

Speaker 8 (01:53:19):
How I study the scrolls lining the wiscripture. Then I
leased up souls. Every demon got a route, every lie
got a name. In that serpent still whispering, he ain't
changed the game. Living in the window came in the
midst but I walked with the lamb, not a pang
nor face. The veils torn, but the war rain't done.
We in the fourth watchdown, waiting for the sun mark
of the beasts, digital change, parself prophets trying to hi

(01:53:43):
jack brains, but we bringing out the truth. No sugar,
no gloss, just ruggie gospel.

Speaker 11 (01:53:48):
Still to the cross, ten sons of God, daughters of men.
Once they wondering way, so that he not strolls to
the last. They meant he bit in the throws to

(01:54:09):
the nest manton.

Speaker 6 (01:54:10):
As it was in the days of Noah, so shall
it be in the coming of the Son of Man.

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