Unveiling the Veve Universe: A Journey with Ray Sutherland

In this engaging conversation, Ray Sutherland shares his journey as an author and the creation of the Veve Universe, a unique blend of fantasy and cultural themes. He discusses the personal connections behind his characters, the exploration of voodoo, and the importance of breaking stereotypes through storytelling. Sutherland emphasizes the role of spiritual warfare in his narratives and the significance of research in achieving historical accuracy. He also reflects on his writing process, the underlying messages in his work, and his aspirations for future multimedia projects.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Year Joe, straight from the broadcast studio and then the
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sopping through the fault lines of time. We ain't mainstream,
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mind it's broadcasting seeds and were breaking the design of

(00:46):
the shi. Yeah yeah, yo yo, straight from the broadcast.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Stay right, We've got Ray Raymond Sutherland, Ray ray That good.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah yeah. I only get called Raymond when I'm in trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Okay, right, yeah, So I'm Ray. Tell us who you are,
what you do, and who where we can find you.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
My name is Raymond Suel and I'm I suppose now
and all for I've now written two books. You can
find me on Instagram at the verse that's the None
of the Verse Vive books. Sorry, that's V E V
Box thirteen at the Instagram handle. If anybody wants to

(01:45):
find my books. Yeah, I have written too. It does
work out a little bit better that we recording today's
to the other week because I've managed to self publish
my second one there, which I believe I sent you
a copy of to have a noisy through you. And
the first one is this one, so that's based around

(02:08):
View Doom. It's a fantasy book based around View Doo.
So the typical fantasies or European myth castles, dungeons, dragons,
elves or that. I've took it and gone I like fantasy.
But as you can see, you know, I'm not white.
I'm half Jamaican. Like, okay, I like you Doo. I'll

(02:32):
get into a bit more and like, well, I'm going
to do my own, you know, I'm going to take
this thing that's already great and want to eat to
it and make it my own. So there's not really
anything that exists that's at this level. So yeah, not
that I can find No, sure, Yeah, yeah, I can't
find anything Nevil, which kind of pikes me the first,

(02:54):
which I think, Yeah, but yeah, I don't know if
he's a good thing got a bad thing being the first?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Yeah, So how did.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
You know?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Do we call it the v V Verse?

Speaker 3 (03:12):
No, it's called the viv the little.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Gotcha vv verse come to life? Like how did that?
How did that come? Popin Natty your brain?

Speaker 3 (03:25):
So twenty ten, twenty fourth of October, my dad died
and you know, obviously the worst day of my life.
And there's a famous artist from the part of the
UK I'm from, which is Salford, which is next to
Manchester to sitting next to Manchester, And there was a

(03:45):
guy there called s s. Lower. He was an artist.
He's famous for doing like stick figures. Me personally, I
think it's crap, but it's subjective in it. And there's
a bridge there called the Lowry Bridge. When that was built,
my dad worked on that bridge, so it's it's not
the Lowry Bridge. To me, it's it's my dad's bridge,

(04:06):
and to the grandkids it's it's grand Even my daughters
who never knew my dad, they know as granddad's bridge.
There was only two grandchildren that he had outlive that
knew my dad, but all the other grandchildren doesn't know
that that's Granddad's bridge. So I had the store in
my head for quite a while, and obviously not in

(04:27):
your head. You're working on something every day, every day,
every day. And I ended up getting a job where
I'm now a teacher, a teaching a college. So my
my English has improved quite a lot. I'm dyslexic and
I have ADHD. In the nineties that wasn't really known.
You know, you were, yeah, you're lazy and stupid or

(04:49):
you know, very clever. I just couldn't read it right.
So towards the end of the last academic year and
I'm sat there and obviously my stud dents had finished
and stuff, and I was far. I sat there one
day and I was like, my English is improved. I
feel I'm a little bit better and stuff, and like,
let me sit down and just try and write this
and just see what happens. I thought, the worst site

(05:12):
is going to happen as I can't do it, but
no one's going to know or no one's going to
care anyway. But if anything, I might I might write
this book, and even if I only get free ever made,
I've got one for my girls obausly some my partner
as well. Wise, I've got one from my mom, and
I've got one from my year five teacher was the

(05:32):
only teacher that I ever really believed in me if
someone probered about I got through it, and I got
to it. I think it was thirty thousand or thirty
five thousand words, and I sat back, you know you
sit back as behind your head. I'm like, fucking hell,
I've done it. I'm not a book that this faking.
It's like five hundred pages to eight hundred pages long.
And I was like, let me just like Stephen King novel. Man,

(05:55):
that's like one of the big thick ones. Yeah. So
I swam like, I'm like, how many words should be
in a novel? Comes back to me ninety thousand for Fox?
The fuck am I supposed to do about this? Like no,
it's I'm monely a third of the way through, so well,
I'm already in it now, so like I'll try and

(06:17):
carry on. So I'm carrying and I'm like, I've got
this story now, like what else do we know about?
And obviously we're on a conspiracy show. And I love
conspiracy shows. I love conspiracies. I think the fun, you
know what I mean. I don't believe every single one do.
I run around going this is true? This is the
fun to me, you know what I mean. So I

(06:39):
was like, let me just start layering a few things
in there. So I'm like, okay, right, well I'll take this.
And you know, I'm doing a bit of research. And
I said it in the sixteen hundreds and I'm like, well,
who was around in the sixteen hundreds. There's a guy
called Captain Henry Morgan, which he's on the you know,
the Spice Run, but he's on the run battle. I'm like,

(07:00):
I like, I like Mrgin's run, but I also know
the guy who's a piece of shit, you know. So
like over here in the UK, people that do you
know of him, going oh, here's this great pioneer and
he did this great stuff for the crown and stuff
like that, and I'm like, did he though, yeah, you know, yeah,
you know, the real guy, he didn't do this. So

(07:20):
let me just write a little bit about this. And
I'm not one of these that's going to be like,
you know, I don't believe in cancel culture at all
or any of that ship. So I wouldn't ever turn
around and say, don't buy the run. I still enjoy it.
I might know the guy as an asshole, but it's
not going to be starting, you know, enjoying the product.
It's like, let me just tell it from another side.
So I through him. You know, he's a dickheading it,

(07:43):
which he too a part of the world he was
to another part of the world he isn't you know,
people think that about me, and you know, probably about you.
You can meet someone that might no mean to go,
oh yeah, he's an asshole, and someone's going, well he's not.
You know, that's just the way the word works. So
and then I'm like, well, my dad's got a bridge.

(08:03):
All the grandkids know him from that. That now his
want my daughters to remember something about me, So let
me just write wanting. So she's in the story of Ribbons.
In the story, she becomes the she's what's known as
Mercy's vessel, so she's more like a spirit. She's in
between the spirit world and the real world. And she's

(08:23):
the spirit guide for the main characters Shadow and she's
the one that helps him guide him through mercy. So
he's obviously very vengeful. His father sold his soul before
he was born to pop a lad Barn to save
his own life. So he's running around this taking souls.
He's a full of vengeance, and Riven helps him be

(08:46):
more merciful, which you know, when I had my daughter Riven,
that's what made me the way I am now, because
you know, you're a certain person before you have kids.
And obviously, and for sure, oh yeah, you know, I don't.
I don't speed anymore. You know, I found myself driving.
I don't know the speed limit in America, but twenty

(09:08):
you know, it's thirty miles an hour over it and
I'm driving at twenty eight now where it used to
be forty five everywhere, you know, because I've got responsibilities now.
So that's the character I've made there. And then obviously
my other daughter Rayoh, she comes in at the end
and she's a bit of a bigger character, which will
be in technically the third book, which will be out
the twenty sixth of December, which is going to be

(09:30):
which is my mum's birthday. So that's how it come about.
But as I'm going through it there, So it was
only ever supposed to be one book. And that's said.
I got to the thirty thousand words, and as I
started adding more into it, I'm like, I'm won't have
to put a chapter then about he's going to have
to kill his own dad because he's the one that

(09:51):
made the deal selling this song. And I'm like, well,
technically now I have to explain this. So I'm like, well,
there's another book. It's like I can't just have to
kind of have got at least have Free, you know,
the Godfather has Got Free you know three yeah films? Yeah, yeah,
you know. I mean the third one is not that great.

(10:11):
I don't think. I don't think. I can't say it's
not that great. It is great, but I just don't
think it holds up to the first two, which makes
I think it's ship Yeah. Yeah. So I'm like okay then,
and there is another character in there, and I'm like, well,
he'd canones explaining and I'm like, well, this character need
is And so it's just gone from it went from

(10:33):
one book to right now, I've got six characters and
they've got three books each. Like, well, if I've got
six characters and they've got three books each. They're all
going to have to get together at the end, which
is I'm gonna have to do with two books. And
it's like, well, my main villain in that, excuse me,
he's going to need an origin story. So quickly thinking
this up, I'm like, well, I've got his origin story,

(10:54):
which I think is quite unique. I don't I don't
want to give too much away because it's very far away. Yeah,
and I was like, well, this was all supposed to
be from my dad, and I've not mentioned them at
all in these fucking books now, So I'm like, well,
he can be the original of ten thousand years ago
when this actual not so much deal, but the very
first pact was made, you know, when it's a war

(11:16):
between the gods. So that's how I've come up with
the twenty two Now. Since then, since then, I've gone
even I don't know if you know anybody with dyslexi
already HD, but I see everything in patterns. I think
it's why I'm so much into conspiracies, because everything.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Is as well.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah and yeah, So I'm hyper focusing on these books now,
and I'm there in the gym and I'm on the treadmill,
and I'm getting a fucking story coming into head. I'm like,
that's perfect, but it doesn't work in this twenty two
and these are more conspiracy based ones. Now I'm like, well,
I'm have to fucking do something else, and now you
know I can't. Just so these are going to be

(11:56):
known as what's called the Verse Whispers, So they'll be
standalone ones, they'll be more conspiracy based. I've almost just
finished the first one. I've got a couple of chapters
left to right, and that one's going to be on
quite a big scandal that was in the UK a
few years ago, probably about what would it have been
ten years ago? Something about what sensitive subject. Yeah, yeah,

(12:27):
I've told you. I sent you a message. I don't
really want to say the name or anything.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
I do.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
I'm going to change names in it, just you know,
I don't know anything about legal stuff exactly, and I
have checked and it is said, because this person has
been convicted of crimes, you can technically put the name
in there. But I've also got the I can, but
do I really want to take the chance and probably
not even go there. Yeah, so the name, the name

(12:53):
will be changed, but it'll be very close to the original,
you know. So you're going to be reading it and
you're going to be like, well, I know this is
but you know, if someone ever pulled me down it,
I can determine and go, well it's not does that
makes sense? So so yeah, I've ended up with fucking shiploads,

(13:13):
to tell you the truth, absolute shitloads. I've got a
number seven characters to come after the original characters, and
I've got a list of fifty other characters which will
be like be cast kind of characters. So the V
verse is like its own universe where but I get
that farm but I don't know, but I've got all Yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
What I was gonna ask, is they're like, it seems
like it feels like there's like a rich spiritual symbolism there. Yeah.
So I was just wondering if you could unpack like
what that means and where it comes from. I mean,
or is it just a complete you know boom it
exploded in your head and that's what it was, you know.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah. So, so, like I said, I'm half Jamaican. My
dad was from Jamaica and he moved over to the UK. Hey,
when he was in his late teens, I grew up
in the early nineties. I was born in eighty eight,
so obviously half Jamaican, half English. And I mentioned this
in General Lee's show. There was a wrestler in nineteen

(14:18):
ninety two called Papa Shanghum in the w w F
which is now a w w W. And I remember
seeing this guy scared to fucking little ship.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah I remember him.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
Too, Yeah, voodoo guy.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, I'm looking at him, like painted on his face
and yeah, yeah he.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Had he had the staff with the skull on and
obviously had the smoke coming out. I remember him making
warriors sick and stuff, and I'm like, this is cool worst,
you know, even though it's scared me, Like this is
I like this. And I remember watching the Indiana Jones
of the Temple of Doom, and that's got voodoo in

(14:55):
it as well. Obviously the guy's trying to pull his
heart out while trying to climb up the fucking side
and stuff, and I like this. So as I've got older,
I've always been kind of into it. And like I said,
after my dad died, I was like, well, okay, well
I'm going to do a book. I want to make
my dad. If you do Warrior, but I don't want

(15:15):
it to be what's known as the you know, the
typical black magic. So I'm trying to think of this stuff,
and obviously moving through the years and especially listening to
conspiracy souls such as yourself, and you just do the research.
I'm like, well, you know, this is an amazing thing
now called the Internet. I can research myself. It's not

(15:36):
that hard to type a few things in. So I've
got this idea and mad that obviously voodoo is black magic.
It's it's this, it's that, it's this, you know what
your typical sticking fucking pins and dolls and you know,
casting spells and all that bullshit. Then you type it

(15:57):
in and it's fuck all, Like you know, it's nothing
to do with that all.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, and I mean some of it, but not the
majority of it.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
No, No, I mean it's like anything as well, like
you quickly scratch beneath the surface and you go old
on a minute, this is Hollywood trope to make it up.
They're making zombies out of it, and they're doing this,
and they're doing that, They're making it sound it's like
I like to put it down to so you obviously
have extremists of other religions. Yeah, you've got Catholic extremist,

(16:29):
Islamic extremist. That doesn't represent the whole religion. So food
is of religion and it is based off Catholicism from
West Africa. So when the slaves were took from West
Africa over towards the Caribbean and to America, they just
mixed their voodoo spirits in with Catholicism. The second book

(16:50):
of rote written sorry about the Haitian Revolution. Voodoo was
a massive part of the revolution there, which I am
technically it's the only successful slave revolution to exist. I'm
saying it's the only successful modern day slick because if
I staying around and say it's the only successful one,
someone's going to go, well, you know, someone's going to

(17:13):
put up some religious story and go, well this happened,
and it's like yeah, right, yeah, so it's the only
modern one. So they obviously turned the French away, which
I think is where it now gets this bad idea
to go, well, they were using these spirits and they
were doing this, well, it's probably like a bunch of
people got pissed off and just you know, stood up
for themselves, which I think if we all did that today,

(17:39):
the establishment, which is the main villain, which is known
as the Capal across the whole books, would have a
huge problem. So I've gone off the the thirteen blood
lines of the women and I and the characters in
the books are the thirteenth blood line, you know, the one,

(18:00):
the secret one that can't be found. It's like, this
is the bloodline that they fear, but they want to
bring in because if they bring that one and control everything.
But at the same time, like everybody's the thirst to
your bloodline that is not part of the original twelve.
So me you, everybody is the secret bloodline, the one
that they fear. It is why they tried to keep
us down. So that's where I've gone. But I know

(18:21):
I've just said a low there. I can stick with
me because this all makes sense to me, But I
reckon when I say to some people, most people what
go But because I'm here, there and everywhere you see.
But that's what I've gone off anyway, So I'm taking
my old idea is to take a few stereotypes, try

(18:42):
and break the stereotypes. Like I say, I'm half Jamaican,
I always get the or did your dad have dreadlocks, Like, no,
he didn't. Or did he smoke weed? No, he didn't.
Better love reggae music like we didn't mind it, but
he preferred motown and soul. Oh did he do this? No?
Well did they do that? Now it's like, this is

(19:04):
the image you've got in your head of what's from
that part of the world looks like and it's like
it's not true.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, everybody pictures the Rastafari in Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
I mean, obviously I don't know how it worked over
in America. But you're looking at me now. You know
I've got a ball there, They've got a few scars.
I've got a better muscle, and I get this stereotypical
drug dealer, look the gang. I think so many people
live off a bias of stereotype. My old idea, obviously

(19:34):
around the books is well, let's try and break a
few the idea of obviously, when I've mentioned to people
who into in work and a few other people that know,
like I've done it off viewed you also it's all
black magic, Like, no, it's not. And that's why I've
written it, because as soon as you mentioned certain words,
everyone gets his image and the yead and it's like,

(19:55):
that's not even half the world, you know. You know,
that's not even half the story, you know. But I say,
to try and break a few stereotypes tell a cool story.
And I'm going to be honest with you, it's been
It's been fucking fun. You know. I'm enjoying it.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
You know.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
I'm writing something in and then I'm like, then an
idea is popping me and I'm like, well, I can't
put that here, but I can put it in. And
I've written something in one book and I'm going, well,
this is going to be in book three, but it doesn't.
It cycles back in book twenty, you know, when I'm
laying my own conspiracies in there, which hopefully people may
pick up on. I don't know, the conspiracy mind will

(20:34):
will get it straight away, they'll see exactly where I'm going.
People who are not into it might just go, well,
this is pretty cool or it's good or it's entertaining.
I don't know. Yeah, so that's how it come about
off obviously, all the different things in it.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Right now, how do you I mean, let's see, that's
the best way to describe this. So like you've got
there's a lot of underlying messages in these books. In

(21:13):
the books, oh yeah, the world. Yeah, so underlying message
and and moral struggles that you want readers to wrestle with. Yeah,
while in the V verse, which is pretty cool because
of depth. Right, Yeah, so you've got darkness, you've got vengeance,

(21:40):
and spiritual warfare seem to play big roles.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
Right, So do.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
You see the V verse? I guess you could. The
best way for me to describe it is as an
allegory to modern spiritual conflict. Like is that? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (21:55):
So the way of doing it because I'm not trained, right,
So according to like, so when I've done the first
one I sent off to I sent off to a
couple of publishers and he got published and they've edited it,
and when they've sent it back to them, I'm like,
it's good, but there's something missing, right, So I was

(22:18):
checking on AI between what they've sent back and what
I've done, and AI is going they've done is tighten
a few lines, but like they've took out a few
couple of words out X, Y and Z, and you
know it's called glue words. Okay, I don't know if you
know what glue word is. Yeah, so I can look

(22:39):
at that glue words I can't remember. It's like the
two the most common used words in the English language.
So I and you know all the very small this
over use of them. And I'm also when I come
to editing the Haitian Revolution, I'm now trying to take
these words out. But as I'm taking the words out,

(23:00):
it's totally ruining the story. So I'm like, I need
to keep these in because they were made. They are
a big part of the way the words are coming across.
It's saying I use too much unusual dialogue. So it's
saying it's just it says I should stick to he said.
He asked, and I'm like, I enjoy reading. I don't

(23:21):
know about yourself. I can read a book, read that
someone said something, then he might take me another free
lands to realize, oh, this guy's piste off. So I
want the person to know he said this viciously. He
said this. He whispered that you know you know all
that ye preface it before it said Yeah, So what
I've ended up doing in the Haitian Revolution, I've written

(23:44):
my own writing code that I'm now going off to
change all this just because it doesn't like I say,
there's nothing that can it can compare to. So the
underlining messages that are in the book of like say,
the spiritual warfare and trying to break the stereotype and
the little bits of other things the cand of ball subcontrasts.

(24:04):
So you know that they're but they're not preaching to you,
if that makes sense. Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, because
I've written it in kind of a cinematic way. So
you're reading it and you should be getting the pictures
in the head of how this is coming across. You
should be able to see that this you know, he's
struggling between does he take the soul or does he
does he spare him for you know, So the message

(24:28):
is there, but it's not directly telling you the internal
conflict is going through. That makes sense, So it's not
preaching to you. As you're reading the words, you should
be getting the mental picture in your head to go, oh,
I could see this guy struggling. And also on the
same side, someone might be going, oh, I remember feeling

(24:49):
like that when you know, this guy cut me off.
And there was a book of read years ago. It's
called Never Get Angry Again, and one of the things
that I always remember from it is like a guy
cuts you off in traffic, you know, and the first
thing you want to do is beat your heart and
shout f win and you know what, all you want
to chase him down, and you fucking what are you

(25:11):
doing your And then it's a case of when you've
got to think, is that guy might be on the
way to the hospital, you know, is what might be
a kid, or you know, he might have said some
terrible news like that two seconds of him cutting you
off shouldn't ruin your day. And that's the way I
try to look at everything now. Like so like with

(25:31):
the vengeance versus the mercy, it's like you can't always
be pissed off because you don't know what the other
person is going through. The same with the stereotypes. I
have a certain look which most people. I'm only five
foot six, I'm not tall, but I have this the
stereotypical drug deal look, and you know, I'll look a

(25:51):
bit pissed off. All I can't help the way my
face looks as soon as someone speaks to me to
go well, you know, like anything a farm like yeah,
because that's the way you've got to think. You shouldn't
have this image in your head straight away. So that's
the way I've written the books. Like I'm not telling
you exactly what you should think of what you should do.
You should kind of internally know as you're reading it.

(26:12):
Does that make sense? Yes, absolutely, I'm glad it does.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
So. The world that you've created, though, feels both ancient
and alive, right, yes, So what kind of research went
into the cultural and historical accuracy?

Speaker 3 (26:32):
It's not that so I get in fantasy books everything's
made up, and I'm like, I don't want to do
anything makeup or I won't.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
I won't historical fiction.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yeah, it's like, no, I want this to be real.
I want people to know when I when I name
a place, they can go on Google type in this
place and see the images of the place, which has
actually made it a little bit easier. I think of
us to try and make everything up, to try and
keep a memory or a log of this place is
and how it should look and you know where all
this it would be too fucking much legend key to yeah,

(27:09):
which I don't think I could keep up with. And again,
like I say, I want to honor my heritage a
little bit with the Caribbean with Britain. You know, I
always I don't say I'm British. I always say I'm English.
I was born in England. British is made up of
four different countries, so I'm not British. I'm English, you know,

(27:34):
which some people find confused, and I don't know why.
So I want to want to my where I'm from
what I know. So it's actually not been that I mean,
and all this whole thing like history is are lying
all that, But at the same time, it's like it
might be, but we can only read what people have
put in front of us. Now I can take that

(27:55):
history and interpret it my own way, or maybe I
might look at that history and well, was it really
like that? And I'm going to slightly change it a
little bit, or how I perceived that history. So the
areas have not been that difficult to research, because, like
I say, you can type in sixteen hundred to the
Caribbean and these pirates all around there, and like I say,

(28:16):
Captain Henry Morgan is a real person. A little bit
of deep diving and realize that this guy actually was
a bit of an asshole. And I've added a few
fake people in there to balance the story a little bit.
So it's still in that it's fictional, but there is
a little bit of history in there. Like I said,

(28:38):
the Haitian Revolution is true. I've just put my own
little spin on it. So the characters in this particular
story are made up. The story is made up, but
it's based on real history. So the first whisper one
that I'm doing will be called the Devil's Favorite Son
tagline the whisper not Heard, Yeah, because of what it

(29:01):
was about. Everybody knew what it was about, but no
one ever said anything. So it's going into the the
corrupt side of the establishment and the system that protected
these people. So it is true with fiction in there.
So it's history with a little bit of fiction tied together.

(29:22):
So it's very close to the truth. It's like sticking
the tipping, you know what I mean. It's like we're
just going to cross this line of tiny bit, but
we're not going all the way. I'm going to interpret
interpret our own weight. Like we were just talking a
minute ago about the flat air thing. There's a lot
of things you can find that are true and a
lot of shit that I believe might be made up
to emphasize certain points. Like I said, to make up

(29:44):
my own places that that wuld have been just I
have that much shit going on be a head anyway
to try and add more stuff into just you know,
probably a fucking explode my mind.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
So do you have a daily writing routine or do
you just just right whenever you feel like it?

Speaker 3 (30:03):
So I I personally, I try not waste a minute
of the day at all. I'm always trying to do something.
So I'm up at four o'clock half for him in
the gym. And and that's why I mean to get
all my ideas. That's my alone time. That's yeah, you know,

(30:26):
that's that's basically like me going to church or me
going to the pub or whatever. I love going in
the morning. It's it's it's pretty much empty. I'm going there,
I get to work. That's where I get all my
best ideas. I'm free at that time. That's before I
become a dad or become a teacher. That's that's Raymond's time.
That's where I mainly get my ideas. So when I'm
on the treadmill for an hour, I might be reading,

(30:50):
I might be watching something, or I might get an
idea that pops on the head and it's like, I've
got to get this down before it fucking goes. Yeah,
you know, does that makes sense? And then yeah, now
I've come home and then you know, I'm now in
dad More and I'm getting the girls ready for school,
and I go into work. Like I said, I'm a teacher.
I'm teaching students how to repair and paint cards in

(31:14):
the automotive industry. And as they're speaking to me in
the way they're coming across it, actually they don't realize it.
There actually inspire me to go, well, I can do
this a little bit better. I can do this a
little bit better. I've explained something to a student in
a certain way. He's not got it. It's like, now
I need to adapt my approach. Which then this is
what's led to the whole book idea. Like I say, like,

(31:36):
you can't preach, You've got to do it in a
certain way.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:40):
So then I come home and obviously, you know, I
get a better time at night, and then I might write,
I might not, I might just chill out. It just
comes and goes. I've got actually, I have that much
going on in my mind that I can pick something
up and put it down, and I can make all
these connections. So I don't really have a set of
room teen. I just know when it. When it hits me,

(32:04):
I'm on it. Kind Of strangely, the Alistair Crowley who
wrote the Book of the Loss, and obviously it was channeled,
and like you get these musicians that go, I don't
know where this has come from. I just written it,
and I always thought that was bullshit. Yeah, I kind
of get it down. Yeah, I get it now because

(32:24):
like I said, I'll get this slight idea in my
head and then before and it's like, well, fucking there's
the chapter. You know, I don't know where it's coming from.
Or maybe it's just all the information I've took in
over years and years is now I'm putting it to use.
Probably the same with yourself with these shows. You know,
you'll get people come out on and you probably I

(32:45):
don't know. I was like a bit like this before.
I'm like, shoot, I'm going to talk about should I,
you know, should I answer this question? And I'm trying
to work these things out. Yeah, and then before you know,
it's just eb and flowing it. You know, you get on,
you get to know someone and then the conversation takes
itself where it needs to go. That's all that's happened
with the books, you know, so so yeah, that's all

(33:10):
that's worth out.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah have you ever felt because you know, some of
this stuff is heavy spiritually and and whatnot, like we've
already talked about, but have you ever felt any like
strange or I had any energetic experience as well writing
about like spirits and the unseen? Have you ever you

(33:34):
know what I mean, has created them?

Speaker 3 (33:37):
The only thing that I've ever had thought is I mean,
I don't really give a ship what people think about
me anyway, But that's the only thing, like I'm Ryan
or this is someone going to read it and go
fuck me, and that guy's off his fucking notes. I
feel that I know the question you ask him. By
the same time, I feel like no, because this knee

(34:00):
to be written now, it's twenty twenty five. People shouldn't
be looking at certain people and thinking these certain things. Yeah,
it's time for a change. So I do know what
you mean. I've gone to sleep at nine and fun
shit like you know, this could go fucking terribly wrong,
you know that? Could I have people coming after me
because I'm trying to help change the culture and something.

(34:21):
Am I trying to frame something in a slightly different way,
not so much spiritual, but I'm thinking men of Like
I hope people are going to perceive this, But at
the same time, fucking you know that's the idea. It's like, well,
they're stuck back in the past, you know. One of
the one of the reasons we have such a divide
these days is because people don't embrace other people's things.

(34:46):
Like I don't know if you know what's happening in
the UK the minute, but we've got well whatever they
fucking say multi culturalism is our biggest It's like, well, no,
it's not. It's divert you know, it's it's diversity. It's
what we enjoy the same of my great my grandparents
come over to the UK. They didn't come over and

(35:08):
go we're actually making we're going to do this. They
come over and embrace the English culture and brought their
own things to mix together, whereas we've got these days.
It's a complete divide. Yeah, And like I say, the
idea behind the books is like, well, we've got a
lot more in common than what people think. Yeah, you know,
so I do know what you mean about the spiritual thing.

(35:29):
But at the same time, I think it's like, no,
I think people need to to possibly hear this so
we can all come together and realize, like, you know,
it's not a case if you're black, you're white, you're this,
you're that. It's like we're fucking human, We're all the same.
You know.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
It's like a kind of a religious issue right now.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Oh Jesus Christ, it's fucking scary, to tell you the truth,
it is scaring the sense of like I've got two
young girls and at the minute, it's like do I
really want to go anywhere with them? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (36:11):
You know, and and it is no way to live.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
No, And and like I said, it's it's kind of terrifying.
And in the basis that, like I said, they're going
on about a mont from our biggest strength, it's like, no,
it's not, it's it's what we have in common. You're
getting people from that are looking over people and they're
not embracing each other. They're bringing the wrong biases into everything.

(36:37):
And not only just said I mean there's a few
other things as well, like I'm going to assume you
having in America. You've got these people going around, They've
got the phones out of the fucking recording everything. They're
going over the kinds of stupid ship and you know,
I don't want to walk around my two young daughters
and put me in any kind of situation. Plus then
it escalates into something else. And like I say, there's
a certain look I have where I fucking I get

(37:01):
asked this and that and this and that, like the
you know, I fall into every fucking category. Yeah, and
you know, yeah, it's kind of terrifying, and it's mad
because I look at imagine you're absously feel similar being
from where you're from. I'm looking going Jesus Christ, fifteen

(37:23):
years ago, you're not going to shove the camera in
anybody's face because you knew what would have happened. Yeah,
you know, you wouldn't have You wouldn't have called anybody
out for a certain thing that that person is doing
because you might have knew what would have happened, which
is not that he had have been the punch. But
now it's there's this whole thing about going viral, and
I scrolled through Facebook and Instagram. Then there's always someone

(37:44):
that's putting something out about someone else, and it's all
out of context and and it's being framed in a
certain way or the other thing that we have these
days is his knives and here is I don't you
know it is. And me personally, I'm not one of
them that sticks. I'm not. I don't think we really

(38:05):
have it over here anyway that much. But I'm not
right or left. I'd like to say I'm centered, but
I do watch things on both sides to get both ideas. Yeah,
I think you've got to. I think anyone that wins
to one side too much is like I think you're
fucked anyway. So I mean, I work in a college

(38:26):
which is very much multi cultural as well, so I
see everything you know, yeah, and I know you know
people are coming across and what they perceive and all
that stuff, and like, say, that's the idea. I think.
I'm not saying, you know, I'm a fucking preacher or
anything like that, But your idea behind the books is
like pick it up. If a look at it, you

(38:47):
realize what's in there. This guy's based you know, is
a Jamaican, but he's got more in coming with you
and you which you're white, you're black, You're Asian than
some guide that done. What's the fucking name, Prince Andrew.
We've got more coming together than we do.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
We've got kind of like how can A question that
I did have is like, how can fiction like vivers
like the whole land, you know, yeah, not not just
be your your whole story, your whole world essentially help

(39:28):
people process like real world spiritual battles or cultural identity.
You're starting to hit on that, like.

Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah, I think one of the things is with that.
So because I'm gonna make multial cultural college, there's a
lot of the Asian community in that, and there's obviously
a lot of white people. There's a lot of different
religious beliefs in that. And I'll say in one of
my lessons, and you know, academically, I'm probably not the

(39:59):
greatest teacher, you know, like to go off like the
standards and all that, But I'm more of a we'll
get I get. I like to get my messages across
through stories, and I'm mostly personally like, oh, to get
the best out of this particular job, this is what
you have to do. Because when I was and you know,
when I was in work, I did this and it
completely bowls up. So a lot of the lessons are

(40:19):
based around own experiences. And you'll be sat there in
a lesson, you're meeting another student and this student's mentioning
something about their religion, and this students mentioned something about
their religion, and they're going to each other about like
which one's right, And it's a case of just going
do you not realize that both the fucking same? You know,

(40:42):
they're a lot closer than what you think they are,
but they can't they can't see it. It's you know,
it's like going and getting a roast chicken and a
fried chicken. It's like the more fucking chicken, you know,
just cooked in a different way. But they both have
they both have the same fucking you know, it's the

(41:04):
same bird, isn't it, you know, or you know, something
along the lines of that. So the spiritualogy thing is
like like say, with the whole voodoo thing, it's like
it's seen as this black magic and it's like, well,
the old idea of it's technically a lot closer to
everything else. So in voodoo is the Bondai, which is

(41:27):
the main god which is never seen, and then you've
got the lowers, which is like Papa lag bar Baron,
Samma day dan Bala, And it's like if you were
to look at them, then you were to look at
the Norse mythology and the Greek mythology, it's like probably
not that far away.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yeah, there's the own kind of rhyme.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Yeah exactly. And it's like that all the fucking same,
aren't they? You know?

Speaker 2 (41:48):
But yeah no, I tell people that all the time.
Greek Norris, I mean, you know, West Asian, East Asian,
all of them, kind of all the they all Ryan
yeanthe or the part you know, whatever you want to
call it.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
They all right, And like you saying the main thing
about it, it's like the overall message is the fucking same.
It's just like what you call him this name, I
call him that name, right, you know, this one's the
god a funder that one's to got a funder. Well,
yours looks different than mine. Yeah, mine's got a different

(42:26):
name from yours, but they both do the same fucking thing.
It's just an interpretation of a name. Like like my
daughter's name ryven i double v O N. Some people
might say, I kind of think of von, you know
what they might pronounce in a slightly different way. It's

(42:47):
like the name is still the same, it's just the
pronunciation slightly different. You know my name, for instance, it
can be spelled I A y I AI. You know
this this Raymond, Raymond, Raymond O. It's still the same name.
It's just a pronuncidation of the name. The spirituology thing

(43:09):
is like they're role the same. It's just a different
interpretation of how you see things, which is back years ago.
Obviously looking at you and me, if we were both
to depict something of Oh God, you grow them in
your own image, which is going to be slightly different,
but it's still going to be the same person. You've

(43:30):
got a creator of the world. You've got a profit,
You've got profits, You've got, like I say, the whole pantheon.
You know, the names might be slightly different, but they
all do the same thing. And like I said, that's
what I'm trying to bring across. It's like you look
at something one way, I look at it the other way.

(43:53):
It's all the same. There's always is it the car
crash analogy where the three people stood on the side
of a road. Everyone everyone sees this car crash. You're
go and ask all three of them. You have a
different interpretation of how the car crash. But it's like, yeah,
but the car crashed overall. You might have seen it
from one angle, you see it from another angle, and

(44:14):
you've seen another angle. But the overall thing is this
car crashed. It doesn't really matter after that, you know.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
So everything I've got there, whether it works and I
don't know, but I've not My old thing is I've
not done it for money. I my overall messages. I
started off to write one book just so I could
give it to my girls, so they can always turn
around and go, oh, my daddy written a book, And
then it's now my daddy written a book and wearing it.

(44:45):
And then in the third one my nieces and nephews ago,
my uncle wrote a book and wearing it, and it's
just expanded from there. So that's what I'm going with.
That's that's my main thing. It's just so they can
go up and they go, my daddy did something, and
my learners can go. That guy there at the front
of the class that's teaching us, he's got ADHD, he's

(45:07):
got dyslexia. He was told in school he'd never be this.
He was told he'd never be that he was laughed
at when he comes for the job as a teacher.
People in the college laughed at me when I was
told him I was going to write a book. But
they can sit there and go. But he did it.
Maybe I can do something. And that's the whole thing
of Like, I might have had all these what are

(45:28):
called barriers, but we've I've got a lot more in
common with everybody else. They're not holding me back. Yeah,
and don't let them stop me. And a kid that's
struggling in the class world goal is a lot more
like me than I actually thought. Rumbled a load of stuff.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
No, no, absolutely. The one question, it's not really a question.
It's kind of a kind of a cool thing though.
But so how the character Obasi Rooke is it Obasi?
Is that you said.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Niger? It's mostly a Nigerian name.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Yeah, but with Obasi could send one message to our
modern world, what would it be?

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Well?

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Fuck, you know, I love I love getting authors to
talk about the characters.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
So his real name is old Bassi rock Well. Obviously
he's known as Shadow. Yeah, he technically doesn't have a soul.
The reason is known as Shadow is i believe we
all kind of live in the shadow. We all. I

(46:48):
do it myself. I might be wrong. I want to
assume you do. Everybody. We all put on this image
and we never show the real person we actually are.
Women the on makeup these days, Like I say, you
take a photo, everyone's putting filters on. Nobody is we
all live in the shadow or Bassie is that shadow

(47:12):
as if they say, like, you don't have to he
struggles with vengeance. We all want to be this perfect person.
We all want to be this person that people perceive,
especially online these days. And that's the thing between the
vengeance and the mercy. It's the vengeances. You're portraying this
image so much you're not living the real youth, which

(47:33):
would be in the mercy side. It's like you need
to take a step back and nowhere to balance. Yes,
if you're if you know, if you're a business min
you're going to have to go into a meeting and
put that business front on, but as soon as you
walk out, go back to being your fuck yourself. Yeah,
my students they see me as a certain way. When

(47:56):
they get to know me, they're like, Jesus is not
like a fucking fault.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
You know.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
I like to when I come across to introduce my students,
and when i'm interview and it's more like an interrogation,
you know, to make sure I've got the right learner.
As soon as we get past that, it's like, okay,
now this is me. That's what they see when I
come home, My girls, completely different person. They see the
real me. You know, I'm putting on this front. When
I go to work, or when I go to the gym,

(48:21):
or when I do things, that's the shadow self. When
I come home, this is Raymond. Does that make sense?
That's the old idea. That's the old idea behind the
character with the particular name. He's the only one that
will have a different name in the book. But he
is the overall main character. He is the shadow. He

(48:41):
is what everybody is struggling with. He struggles with vengeance
and mercer. Everybody now struggles with the I want to
call it the fake persona and the real persona. And
I do believe that some people don't know where to
fucking draw the line or no one to turn one off.
That makes sense. I know this. I could even tell

(49:03):
you how many underlying underlying messages are in the book.
The idea is that many in there. If you read one,
you will find the one that is right for you.
The overall main one is the shadow one, as in,
you've got to show the real youth. Sometimes I understand
putting on the front, but you can't live your whole

(49:26):
life with that, especially for me while because I repair
them paid cards all while I used to. I used
to go to customers houses. You see this nice, big,
fancy car and the drive and then you look at
the house, you look at the person, and you can
of pun to the side and you go. You know,

(49:46):
no one gives a ship what you drive, right, you know,
But you're putting on this image that you've got this
nice Mercedes, are this nice BMW and you can't afford
to keep the fucking name the lights on? Yeah, you know,
but that's that. That's the whole thing everyone wants is
I've got I've got to get this some fucking on Instagram.
I've got to get on Facebook. I've got to go

(50:08):
viral and TikTok. I've got to do this for the image.
It's all about my learners, do it now. I was
I was asking on you, was like how much of
them trainers. You've gone fringe of quid and that when
you know no one cares. Don't you I like him?
Would you like him any less if they were one
hundred quid? And you look confused? Exactly you're seeing this

(50:32):
image that according to you, that makes you rich. To
me as a as a grown adult, it don't make you.
It makes you stupid. You know. Yeah, that's a bill
fringered pounds, a bill, you know, but exactly that that's that, say,

(50:55):
the message of old Bassie, our shadow could give be
the real will you.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
God?

Speaker 3 (51:02):
Be the will you?

Speaker 2 (51:03):
You know? So, I know we've talked about more books,
but like what's next for next for vivers? Like you've
got there's books? Is there other projects? I mean, so
maybe even like multimedia expansions.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Or that's what.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Video games? You know?

Speaker 3 (51:23):
This is what I've got. This is what I've got.
So the books that I'm doing, the two that I've
got out now, I can't make them free on Amazon,
which is a bit crap, and I am just waiting
for Google to confirm my account. But on on Google
Books and Apple Books, they'll both be free ebooks. The
Shadow Shadow in the Haitian Revolution I'm always going to

(51:46):
try and keep as a free ebook, because that's the
one with the code in there. Yeah, but every book
I'm going to release for now at least I want
to try and make the first three month a free ebook.
I don't want money. I want read I want someone
to go. You know I'm not I'm not trying to
get money out of someone. I'm trying to get readers.

(52:07):
What I want then is if I get enough readers,
and in two years time, when I've got maybe ten
or eleven, I want to go to a media agent,
a multimedia agent, go, this is what I've got at
the minute. I've got this many readers that are interested.
This is everything I've got. After if I want the money,
I want the money from a Netflix. I want the
money from a Prime to turn it into a fucking

(52:29):
TV series.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
I don't believe, or a movie, yeah something.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Our video games are merchandise. That's everything I want. But
I want someone to read. I want someone to pick
it up now and go, Well, he's giving out the
three books.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
I'll just even if they just they might even Yeah,
even do you want to keep it affordable to the
people that to the people that are going to read.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Right, yeah, because I mean I love reading, and I've
got a fucking list on my eBay list, I've got
a list on Amazon. Louise my part and she's got
a list as well, and I can't fucking afford all these.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, you know, you got a person out and it's like, yeah, yeah,
I know, I know what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
I like said, my idea is to get that much out,
like I'm hoping someone might go. So it's more that
case of if someone picks it up now, they'll they'll
get everyone for free, even though it's only an e
book you can then print off as a PDF. Someone
picks up in seven bucks time, they might go, well,
I've got this one for free, but I've gone by
the first six I missed out. Someone might pick it
up in twenty bucks time and go, yeah, I missed

(53:31):
all these ones, but at least I can get everyone
now for free. If it does make a TV series
or a film, that's when I'll get the money, because
that's then the people trying to jump on the bandwagon.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
It's like, well, yeah, now I want the fucking money
off you. Because you wasn't there from the beginning. You
know the ones that are going to jump on at
the beginning. You technically get everything for free. It's not
about money, it's about the message. It's about the readers.
I can go to media agent and go I have
ten books and they've sold well. They don't look at

(54:05):
the how many have sold? Bid does look how many
readers have got They don't give a ship. Whether it's
three dollars, go ten thousand. People are interested in this.
This is something that you know. They can go to
Netflix and they go, this is brand new thing. And
like you said yourself, there's nothing that even comes anywhere near.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Close to it, you know, really, I mean, yeah, not
like this now.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
No, that's where Netflix goes, or a Prime or HBO
or something like that. Go ship. I will be the
first on this. They give me the money, that's what
I want the money off the establishment. I don't want
it off normal people, you know absolutely. You know, if
people do want to buy the books, buy the box.
I ain't got a problem with everything's self done, self written,

(54:49):
self edited. The art's all mine. I've done the art myself,
which is a bit of a pain in the ass.
I've got log goals, I've got the fucking lot. And
like I said, that's the ADHD kick in to go, yeah,
I can fucking do all this myself. I don't. It's
not that I don't need the help. I would like
a bit of help. I'd like people to know if
I put something on the Instagram to go, oh, that's

(55:11):
a cool book idea, you know the cover, that's a
good idea, and then the message with back can go
what do you think about this one? I've improved it perfect,
you know. Yeah, so many ideas for I mean, I've
actually I've got on my laptop at the minute, I've
probably got about a hundred story ideas. Sell me fucking more,
you know. I want to get this to a part
of where the dream is. I've got my own studio.

(55:35):
I've got writers, I've got illustrators, I've got fucking designers.
That may never happen, right, But but a couple of yeah,
a couple of months ago, I didn't think i'd have
been sat here with one book let alone. Now too,
a couple of week ago, I didn't think i'd be
a sat doing my second podcast. But I am, you know,

(55:55):
And the book started with a single word, and now
it's took off here the the podcast. Obviously you're my
second one, and you know you are connected to three
three generally, I've messaged him month or twice before. You know,
the worst he's going to say, he's going to ignore me,
or he's going to say not Yeah, and I sent
it to him and he worked for everything, yeah, and

(56:17):
then obviously everything definitely. Yeah, he's a cool guy as well.
Though it's a bit of a shame. We're going to
try and meet up yesterday, but we couldn't get the time.
So it's only a couple of miles down the road
from me, so, you know, and that's the idea. I'm
pretty sure that you with your podcast, you know, you
probably just sat there one then for fuck it, let

(56:38):
me give it a go. What's the worst that could happen? Yeah,
you know, and obviously with yourself now, if you don't mind,
I'm going to mind a ship out of you in
the sense of this one's complete. I haven't read through
they see what you think seeming you know, there's any improvements,
you know, absolutely, that's what I want to do. I'm
not one of these people that this is online and

(57:00):
out fuck everybody else, and I don't need any help.
And I don't want, you know, everything for me, and
I want everything and I want everything. Excuse me. I
want someone to pick these first two up and go
i might not read them now, but I've got them
for free. When the third one comes out, I'll put
the third one up. Then they might go, I've got
all seven and I've got a been a time and

(57:20):
I'll read through. They have not had to pay for anything. Yeah,
you know, they might pick these first two up and go, well,
this is really good. I can't wait for the third.
They might then go and tell someone there's two free
books there you maybe you want to pick these up.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Absolutely, I grow my rea the show notes.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
So yeah, I mean I'm not that good on social
media and I'm not the biggest poster or anything because
it's just not my thing. I'm trying, I really am trying,
but there's there's people are following the putting the same
post on every single day, and I'm like, yeah, you're
getting a bit annoying, No you prick, Like shut up. Yeah,
I know I need to get around that. But my

(57:59):
eye days is I want them to be free for
at least three months.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
One thing I do not want to do because I
fucking hate this is I don't want any special editions.
I don't want any of that bullshit. I don't believe
in that. I don't feel that someone who can afford
fifty pounds for a book says they're a bigger fan
than someone who bought it for a pound off eb
You know you're really you know, that's what I mean,

(58:28):
Like we're all the same. I don't give a ship
wherether someone finds it in a bin and picks it
up and reads it and enjoys it. You're a biggest
You're a fan that's just as big as someone who
can afford to spend on a limited edition. One. Limited
edition doesn't mean anything. I don't know about you. I
don't buy anything limited edition. I think it's you know,
it's that I know how propaganda works.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
You know that's the conspiracy side. Again. I know that.
I'm not going to say it to around and go no, no,
because you bought this special edition one that you're a
bigger fan, it means I value you more. I don't
value everyone the same. Someone picks it up and gets
the dry out of it. By all means, just to
let you know as well, I do have plans for

(59:12):
like I say, rhything and right will get their own books.
They will be young adult and kids are they called
middle grade. So I'm going to try and go across
all the I'm going to try and go middle grade.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Yeah, genres, age groups.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Yeah, so you know, a parent can go I like this,
but I can get my you know, my child brought
into it, or my children bring into it. Also, a
child might pick up the middle grade books, then they
they'll transition to the young adult books, then they'll go
to the adult books.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:46):
I'm trying to get everything, you know, I'm trying to
go across. So yeah, I mean, this isn't for me
at all. This is for my daughters. And whether I haven't,
I don't know. I could be dead before then, but
future grand I'm thirty seven now, I've got a five

(01:00:09):
year old and a two year old, got a long
way before. I'm hoping that my daughters may go. We're
getting a little bit of money and then my grandkids
get even more money, you know, and I'm getting the
joint I might make. My overall thing is at the
minute is I'm getting them out and make a little
bit of money. To pay off one or two bills.

(01:00:29):
I'm over the fucking mute. And then you know, if
I compare my car off from him, perfect, If I
can pay the fucking Margie Josh even better. If I
can do a few other things. Everything's just an exculation.
But I am sticking with the whole. This was more
to make my girls proud of me. Absolutely, you know

(01:00:52):
that that's they look at the books. And when when
the first one come Revenge, she was like, oh, it's scary.
I was like, okay, Now she goes, she's only five. Yeah,
well she was only four. She was on birthday did
with it, so she's five now. But she was like scared.
But now she looks at it and she goes, oh,
it's Daddy's book. And the best thing that happened from

(01:01:15):
the book is I remember coming in from the gym
in the morning and is when it had gone on Amazon.
I was sat there, I was there in the kitchen
doorway and I went, that's a rhythn and oh, Daddy's
books on Amazon now people can buy it. Should come
over and she gave me a hug and she just went,
well done, come on, money can't buy that. You know

(01:01:36):
you really can't so A kid in obviously, I know
that the hurricanes going on in Jamaica at the minute,
which is awful. Yeah, but when that stops, a kid
in Jamaica may be able to pick up a copy
on Amazon Books are Google books and go, this guy

(01:01:56):
represents me. You know, this guy is like me. A
kid in Chicago or where you're from, New York might go, oh,
this guy's you know, I don't want to go in
the whole racing, but like, this is a black sucking hero.
This is me. He's not a caricature of what one is.
He's not a token one. A kid in Cape Town

(01:02:19):
in South Africa might you know pick this up and go,
it's just a black hero again. He's not a caricature,
he's not a token. He's not a stereotype. Yeah, you
know that someone might just pick up and go, oh,
this guy is different. I didn't realize Voodoo was like this.
I didn't realize, you know, he's not got the the
stereotypical nonsense that tends to come with mainly around black heroes.

(01:02:46):
And it's not all black. I've got you all. Yeah,
there's going to be a Scottish guy in there. There's
going to be an Irish guy in there, mainly because
the way they're perceived as well is the stereotypical. Well,
this guy's just the brawler, he's just a football who
you lookings does this? Let me try and make them cool,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Yeah, I'm going to try.

Speaker 4 (01:03:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Now, well so far you're doing a good job.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Man, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:11):
I want you to tell everybody where they can find you. Again.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
So, like I said, my main thing at the minute
is Instagram. I've not got many followers, which is absolutely fine.
I do know it will grow, hopefully, I hope. So
it's called VIV Verse thirteen, not VIV Books. VIV Books
is my email. Sorry, so I'll spell it out. It's

(01:03:39):
v E V E V E r s E thirteen.
That's my my Instagram. I've made my little logo on there,
which is a V with a skull in it. It's
him yellow and green and a bit of black. That's
obviously for the Jamaican flag. It will change jumping out

(01:04:00):
and again. The books are they're basically everywhere, just waiting
for Google to confirm my account, which shut up for me. Tomorrow.
They'll be free on Google and on Apple Books, which
is when I'm mainly trying to go with. They are
available to buy on Amazon. I'd like to say, reason

(01:04:21):
we're priced. I want to try and keep them as
reasonably priced as I can. There'll never be more than.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Yeah, right, there's minimums that they have too.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
Yeah, I'm hoping to depending on the side. So the
one that the v Verse whisper one that we were
talking about, I won't mention it now. It is about
the Jimmy Sable scandal. That's going to be about one
hundred and forty thousand words, so that might be oppressed
a little bit more expensive. I'm want to try and
keep everything as reasonable as I can. Yeah, the first one,

(01:04:54):
the first one's only I think it's like seventy one
thousand words overall. And the publisher is like, oh, you
want to sell it for twenty two pound? Like why,
it's like what, you want to make money off it?
He couldn't, grasping his head dies like, it's not about
making money exactly. You won't make any money off it.
That's about fucking making money, Like master about people wanting
to buy it first. If enough people buy it now

(01:05:15):
I make money, then you know, I say he's not
thinking of the long term. He's thinking of a very
quick six month You'll sell x amount, You'll make this money.
I'm thinking, well, in six years, I might sell even
more and make even more money because people can afford it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
Yeah, so, but like I was saying, my main thing
is Instagram. If you do get the Haitian Revolution, that
does have at the back, it does have my Instagram
handle and my email in there as well. For the books,
I like people just to pick it up and give
it a gop.

Speaker 2 (01:05:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
Yeah, so I'm asking it's something totally different. There's nothing
like it. It's brand new. There's a load of hidden
messages in this conspiracy lad through there, which some people
will pick up on, not everybody. It's not in your face,
and it's fun. I'd like to hope it's fun anyway.

(01:06:11):
And it's written in a cinematic way, so as you
open it, you're straight into it. There's no you're not
reading one hundred pages before the story starts. It's you know,
painage one. It should grip you. And that's my old idea.
And I've got off that whole dopamine TikTok bullshit where

(01:06:33):
it's like if it doesn't get you in the first
five seconds, you've lost interest. My idea is that then
if you don't get you in the first five pages,
it's done right. I'm hoping someone picks up and they
see the growth of the characters. I've got a fair
few already room. I am in the process of editing

(01:06:54):
the third one, which will be out around the twenty
sixth of December. The main reason for that it's one's birthday.
Shadow of the Haitian Revolution was published on the twenty
fifth of October, which was Riven's birthday. I'm going to
try and drop them around certain days that means something
to me. Won't mean anything to anybody else, but to me,

(01:07:15):
they means certain things. I'm going with Hopefully three to
four months I should be able to get one out,
So I say it'll be one's free for three month
and then that becomes a paid one. But as soon
as that becomes a paid one, it's either the next
one is out or a couple of week later the
next one's out. So they should be a holding to

(01:07:37):
get as much out there on the Instagram. Excuse me.
I'm going to try and alb be sort of label
out like this. The v Verse, which is the main story,
which is the twenty two interlinked books where you'll see
the character growth and development. There's the v Verse Chronicles,
which are more like i'd call them the DLC hacks,

(01:08:01):
which is the chronicles, the much shorter books. They're just
to advance the story a little bit long, you know,
like a little bit of a side mission. And then
there'll be the v Verse Whispers, which are the more
the stand alone, the more a bit more conspiracy based,
and they'll be tackling certain issues that I when I

(01:08:24):
jump on it, that makes sense. So yeah, like I say,
I've got the Jimmy Savile one, I've got one man
working on as well, which will be the the I
don't know, is it called the Second Golf World when
when obviously we went into a rack Yeah my reason
why we went into a rack for two? Yeah, yeah,
so like we didn't go in for we didn't go

(01:08:45):
in for Royal, we went in for Memory because they
went in and just destroyed all the fucking the museums
there and stole everything. Yeah. I have one that this
was going to be the first one, but then I
feel like it's been done too much, so This will
probably be next year, which will be about Hitler in
escaping to Argentina, which is a cool shadow. Yeah, shadow

(01:09:11):
kills him, rolls him in the Drake passage, Baron Samedy
closes off. The Antarctica is the reason we can't go.
So that's hitting that flat earthing. I was going to
do that for twenty twenty six. That might be pushed
back to twenty twenty seven. The reason for that is
that it'll be June sixth, which for two reasons, one

(01:09:35):
it's a d day and the main reason it's my
birthday as well, So that'll be dropped on a certain day.
That's probably going to be twenty twenty seven. That one's
already written. But I feel the Hitler thing's been done
a ship all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Yeah, I understand.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
It's a bit played out. I do have I've got
certain ones which I do want to do. They will
come out, but I can't one hundred percent hit everything
I want because of the names. Yeah, you know, I
don't want to obviously get sued or anything like that.
You know, you can't say certain things about certain people

(01:10:13):
if they've never been convicted of anything. But I'm going
to try and get as close as I possibly can
to certain names where people might be able to go, oh,
I know we was talking about but I was ever
to be pulled. And it's like, this is fiction, mate,
you know. Yeah, so I want to get very close,
but further enough away where I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
You know, we put a quarter a lot absolutely so.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
I've got a lot. I've got a lot. I know
there's a lot there. I know there's a lot information
to digest, sir. I've got in my mind the open goal,
like you saying, multimedia ten fifteen, twenty years time, Going
for that probably will never happen. But if I don't try,

(01:10:56):
I never know. Going for that. Marvel Cinematic Universe US.
But it's not retold stories, it's brand new, totally brand
new again. One of the other reasons for the books
is two very young children. I'm sat there now, I'm
watching Disney did the Shoehorn in these fucking characters in left,

(01:11:17):
right and center, And it's like, and how if you
want to make a character about a black person, make
a fucking new one, you know, don't take the Mermaid
and the shoehorn a black person, make a brand new one.
It's not that difficult, don't don't take this particular character
and just and again shoehorn another fucking make a new break,

(01:11:39):
a fresh story, make something for that culture, make something
for that person, instead of just taking something and trying
to rehash it to fill out a fucking what would
be the word.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Make a quota?

Speaker 3 (01:11:53):
Yeah, and that did? What did the fucking It'll come
to me when I'm sat there in bed layer like, shit,
that's what I should have said that. You know, yeah,
I think you know what I mean, I'll yeah, that
representation bullshit, We've got no, we've not got this person represented.

(01:12:13):
Why don't we make this person that? Instead of going,
why don't we just make a brand new story?

Speaker 5 (01:12:19):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Exactly, yeah, exactly. And it's not that it's I mean,
I'm even I'm not even that bright. I don't think
i'd say. I'm not an academic writer. I don't I
didn't even know how to write till I started this.
I'm pretty sure if you've got a team full of people,
they should have come up with something like this themselves, right,

(01:12:44):
you know, someone should have been sat there in a
boardroom with twelve people, going why don't we do this?
And for some reason no one ever has. I have
no idea why.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Well, it's pretty awesome and we're going to share it
with the world. Man, so I hope. So I really
appreciate you coming on.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Pleasure, pleasure, We'll do it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
We'll do it again soon. We'll talk about the and
and I will put everything in the show notes and
hopefully you know, we'll stay in touch either way.

Speaker 3 (01:13:21):
Yeah. Well, like I said, I'm going to be saying
your stuff over and I'm going to be sending you
artwork all over that I've done. I'm going to be
sending your storylines that I've got ideas for.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Yeah. Absolutely, And.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Like I said, this this particular book that The Saddle
One is, I think I've already got like three chapters
left to complete. I'll probably shoot you over the my
draft of it with the idea obviously, names will be changing.
So you can have a read through it and you
might go, or have you ever thought putting this in't it?
Maybe take this chapter out?

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
Or absolutely?

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
You know, I don't just want oh this is fucking brilliant,
you know, I do want the feedback up, a constructive feedback,
so you might even say round and go, you know what,
maybe don't change the fucking name.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
I don't know, you know, yeah for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
But that'll be you and Lee. I think Lee's a
bit sick of me already. I've sent him that much
crap I say that. I obviously, Jess, you know. I
don't think he's I think he's both in it. I
think he's really enjoying it. Yeah, so all right, I
appreciate it. I really don't.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Yeah, absolutely, man, And we'll we'll talk to him.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
Well, perfect, thank you, thank you for this as well, Spirit.

Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
Rod Steppot that tonight I learn magic in Nady Moon, rebuilding, realms, shadows,
stop viv.

Speaker 3 (01:14:40):
Universe, the worry as well.

Speaker 4 (01:14:44):
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what's when they three D winds blow. Aracter's banned from
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Speaker 6 (01:14:52):
I land blood running through everything, shooting and this pend
and it's Ndara who the Queen's god in every last
So reality men, where the spirits flash is the reburn
like a holy flash, your shaft, the darkness.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
Scarly life, some battles, your.

Speaker 7 (01:15:09):
Fight, and a different side, not every day, and living
flesh and skin.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Some might in a shadow with a tin fill.

Speaker 7 (01:15:15):
In real fire, watch it rise spirit, drum, Macho to
these guys, ready change and try to serve. Welcome to
the Vuniverse. Is Land roots by your arms, every day,
La sacred off, tru time pie every verse.

Speaker 5 (01:15:34):
Welcome to the VIV Universe. Stepping on the room where
they will getting and ship when the spirit's beIN wood
versus evil in a hatch and warm.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
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Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
A far real pull col tie every page. I Land
read them meeting through its stage, break the stereotype, marsh
the line, show them all the real people.

Speaker 7 (01:15:58):
Rise eye, I am all light.

Speaker 4 (01:16:01):
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Speaker 7 (01:16:05):
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the DOORFAA said, right, Spirit from Leper to these.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
Guys, ready chance and try to serve.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Welcome to the VIV Universe.

Speaker 7 (01:16:20):
Island rut, every day of sacred off shoot down point
every verse.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
Welcome to the VIV Universe.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
Then sharp like God, last swing Reapean worlds were the
free numbering call Sha Shang and the spirit converse.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
These are the four half the VV Universe.