November 17, 2025 • 34 mins
Ever wondered how to weave the wisdom and warmth of grandparents into your homeschooling journey? In this inspiring episode of The Colorado Homeschool Podcast, “Simple Ways to Involve Grandparents in Homeschooling,” host Kashia Davis sits down with Shalyn Roach—a true pioneer of the modern homeschool movement.
Married for more than 40 years, with five grown children and 15 grandchildren (10 living just next door!), Shalyn Roach brings a legacy of hands-on experience. She’s not only raised her own kids in the homeschool tradition, but is now actively supporting the next generation as a “Granny” and as the wife of the CHEC board president.
Tune in to discover actionable strategies for inviting grandparents (and other older mentors) into your homeschool—no matter your family dynamic. You’ll learn how to honor generational wisdom, navigate differing philosophies with grace, and find creative ways for grandparents to make a lasting impact—from reading sessions to practical skill-sharing and building character alongside academics.
Filled with uplifting personal stories, practical advice, and honest conversation about the joys and challenges of multigenerational homeschooling, this episode will inspire you to cultivate deeper family connections and enrich your homeschool experience.
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We would rather have children that were not as
academically superior and children who loved
God, that were going to be faithful servants for their entire life.
If we have to give up one or the other, we'll give up the education.
But in fact, it was the opposite.
(00:24):
Welcome. It's the Colorado Homeschool Podcast,
Interviewing experts, parents, graduates,
all here to help you navigate this incredible journey called
homeschooling. And if you're looking for resources, tips, and
help, go to CHEC.org you'll find what you need. In the
meantime, subscribe, follow along. Well,
(00:46):
hello and welcome. We are so delighted to have you again.
We have kind of a fun, different interview today. We're going
to talk to Shalyn Roach. She and her husband Bill, have been married for
over 40 years. They have five grown kids and
15. Wow. Grandkids. Um, I.
I'm a little bit jealous because 10 of her grandchildren are,
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like, on the same property or really close, like, neighbors.
My grandkids are four. I have four grandkids, and they're, like,
30 minutes apart away from me, which is way too far, in my opinion. So
I love that. Um, but what's really fun about Shaylyn, she
is married to the president of the
board for CHEC. So you've been very involved.
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I know he may have the title, but I am. I know that you
have been working in the CHEC world and in the homeschool
movement for a long time. Obviously, you raised your children and now you're
involved with your grandkids. So she shared a couple fun
little tidbits. I love this about you. She said she is
right now seeking to figure out which perennial flowers are going to grow best.
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If you know Colorado gardening, it's so fun.
You have to be patient, I think, for gardening in Colorado.
Yes. At least on the. Which the deer,
the rabbits. Yes. And the altitude
won't kill, so we're working at it. And hail. Storms and
hail. That was a good one this year. Yes, Hail. Yeah,
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exactly. So awesome. I love that you have that. Well, today
we're going to talk about generational input and
the Titus 2 model and how do we embrace that and how do we seek
that out in our lives? And what are some really good, practical ways
that we can kind of grow from one another? I think it's. It's
God's design. Right. So first, let's just start by
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Shalyn. Thanks for being here. Can you tell us a little bit about your
homeschool journey and how you. Yeah, just
introduce that to us. Tell us about it. Sure. My
Husband and I were living in Ohio, and he was teaching at a Christian
school there. Our oldest daughter was getting close to school age,
and he said, I, I think
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we want to take a different path. And I kind of looked at him with
deer in the headlights and said, you're talking
about me. I'm not the one with the education degree. Maybe
I should work and you should school the kids. And that didn't last
long on the table, but, you know, I was a little intimidated. But
we, going down this path, moved back
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to Colorado, which is where I grew up, and started
on this journey. And, you know, two or three weeks into it, I'm
like, I'm all in. I love this. This is. I'm
enjoying it. So it was exciting. And then we
found out about CHEC and got excited about
participating because we were sold on the
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philosophy of it. And so we got
involved in working. I worked at the conference,
workshop coordinator, and then we became the conference
coordinators. I think we were the first couple to do it together.
And about that same time, he joined the board
and then has been involved on the board
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and president for a good amount of time. Like 30
years. I don't know. I've lost track. Wow. I love it. I've heard Bill tell
the story of him being a teacher and going, wait a minute, what am I
doing? I want to take this. And, you know, it's so.
I love that. You know, the Bible says there's nothing new under the sun. You
guys, I would consider, are some of the pioneers in the
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homeschool movement. Like your child. How old is your oldest?
I think she is 39, Will.
Exactly. So. So you've been homeschooling since really around
the time that homeschooling became legal in Colorado and started
to across the nation, because it is now in all of the states. But it
wasn't at that time. So I love that you
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still had the same reservations that the moms today are having. Like,
whoa, I'm not qualified. Why do. Why do we believe that? Right? Like some
expert needs to raise our kids. We've been so conditioned.
So I remember a lady saying to me, well, you've
taught them the mother tongue. You've taught them how to
go to the bathroom on a toilet. You've taught them to tie your
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shoes. You just take the next step and
somebody will be there to help you. And there's
lots of supplements and
curriculum and people around these days,
but you can do it. Just, you know your
child better than anyone else does. You know their moods. Oh, they
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must Be teething, they're hurt, they're. There's something
troubling their heart, you know? You know all those things way more than anyone
else. Right? I love that. I love how simply you put that. Like, well, you
just do the next thing. Like sometimes I think we overwhelm ourselves because we're thinking,
what about calculus and advanced chemistry? And first of
all, not every student needs to learn that. And second of all, when you get
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there, you get there. We just borrow all this trouble. It's so funny, right?
Well, I mean, that's a topic in and of itself, of course,
but let's talk about the intergenerational thing. So first of all,
tell me, Shalyn, did you have a strong Christian heritage
or a strong like Titus 2 role model when you were younger?
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So I grew up in a Christian home, so in that sense,
I don't think it was really state dated. My mom was a great support.
I went to a Christian school for my entire time,
including college. But it
wasn't like a person had a name
that I connected with it, you know, a coach
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in sports. But nothing, nothing the same, like not. In
a formal manner is what you're saying. Yeah. Okay,
well, that's kind of what I want to talk to you about. I want to
talk about. How can you. Because most of the people listening to this
podcast are young homeschool families. They're in the thick of this
and so they're not the grandparent yet. It's really fun. I call it
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Parenting 2.0. So when you get there, it'll be delightful. But for now,
what I want to encourage them and give them tools for is how do you
invite your, your grandparents, maybe not your
grandparents, but older women, the Titus 2 model, into your
life. So let's talk about that. If
you're thinking about a young mom, how would you encourage her to approach
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somebody, whether it be her actual mom or stepmom
or another woman from their fellowship that they respect? How would you
encourage them to approach somebody to ask for their help or involvement?
I think if you have a good
relationship with a mom or a mother in law,
that's a great source for
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getting help. They love you deeply. I mean,
that's the hope and the prayer. Now that isn't always ideal for everyone and
sometimes you have to look a little further and you have a Christian friend,
an older lady at church, an aunt, something that
maybe is willing to do that. And so I think
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finding someone who has your core
values the best,
even if it's not family, to have Core
values that are in harmony is
the first thing that you should do.
And that saying, you don't want your
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home discipleship to be a battle zone. You're looking for
support and not a friend fight. And, and we
think of it more than home education. I would use the word home
discipleship because it's not just about books
for me. In fact, my husband and I felt like at the very
beginning when I was a little intimidated that I could actually
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academically teach phonics. I don't know why in the
world I felt so intimidated by that. But I didn't have a degree,
so. But, but we just decided
we would rather have children that were not as
academically superior and children who loved
God, that were going to be faithful servants for their entire
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life. If we have to give up one or the other, we'll give up
the education. But in fact it was the opposite.
We were able to teach our children about the Lord
and the academic portion
of it in this model was
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better achieved than in this big group setting with lots of
peers and bad philosophy and all of this.
But. But you want to be in lockstep
with someone who is trying to create
the same environment as you are. So I would
say just walking up to someone that you have a relationship
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with, hey, I want to homeschool my kids.
I'm trying to teach them at home. Is
there a way that maybe you could help me?
You know, that can be overwhelming to someone who
doesn't have that mindset. Yes.
So like, what, are you kidding? What do you think I can do? I
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think that's exactly what I was thinking. That's going to be the reaction. So
how are you. Yeah. Bite sized pieces being
realistic about what you can ask them, what are their skills, what are they strong
in? How is it that they are actually
helpful? And maybe it's not even
communicating the knowledge base,
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it's supporting you in a. Could you watch my
toddlers while I take my child or could
you just come over and sit with a baby and play
blocks with them? Or. I don't know. There's so
many ways look at your overall need and
think outside the box. I think that was one of the biggest things that
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we kind of came to
figure out that was helpful. We're not in a box
anymore. I don't have to have this big huge
box of curriculum. Curriculum is nice and it's wonderful,
but I don't have to do everything on that page
and I don't have to get all the supplies that are on
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there. I can do it this slightly different way. Well,
maybe how you order your day is going to be a little bit different.
But you. You figure out what this person
can help you with and how you can communicate together,
and then you just do the next thing. Yeah. You know, I was
thinking about, like you originally
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said, whoa, somebody who's lockstep with you and aligned. And
that is maybe not going to always be the case. My family,
I'm the first generation believer. So even
my parents, I was trying to figure out how I can involve them just
because I want to. Does it seem like we just don't live in a world
that values that the generations. Like, it seems like as people
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get older, it's okay, put them in a nursing home. They're an inconvenience
now. And I don't see that among homeschool families. Like,
we're cherishing it, and there's so much rich knowledge we can get from the older
generation. Right. So how do you draw that out? Like, with my
father, I asked him. It was so silly, but my father was in the military,
and my kids were a little bit older when we did this. But we did
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this whole gun safety class where I asked him to come and do it, and
he was so honored with when I asked him, because I was like, dad,
do you think you could now, again, not a believer and
certainly not lockstep with me. Even my family was like, you're doing
what? Homeschool? Are you sure? There was definitely
that attitude about it. But when I honored him by
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saying, can you help me with this, Dad? I think this would be really fun.
And I'm just thinking, let's just do, you know, one hour. And
here's all the things that I'm So I really guided him and helped him, but
invited him in, and that is what I think
would go over well. Right. Like, has that ever happened to you? You were telling
me about some of the ways that you're helping your grown kids because they're
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now homeschooling. I mean, the generations are continuing. They're in that.
And what are some of the ways that they've come to you and said, hey,
mom, or do they. What do they call you? What's your
grandma name? I'm Granny, and I took that
name after my mom, who also wanted to be Granny. So. So we
had two grannies around. She became Granny B because her last
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name is Bauer, and I became Granny Shay. So the quick
version is Granny, but sometimes it's Granny Shay. So,
yeah, I agree with you about not always being Able to be in lockstep.
But I think a fundamental thing is you don't want someone who is
quietly fighting you and your philosophy when
you have turned your children over to them. So that would maybe
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be a better way to say that you need to be in
agreement that you're going forward with this input
from someone else, and they're not going to be fighting you.
So that would be a better way to say it. But, yeah, some of the
ways that we've done it, you know, of course, I'm. I'm super
excited about the whole family
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discipleship model. We've tried to incorporate it in so many different ways
of the world. So, I mean, I was pretty quick to the draw. Like,
how can I help? I would like to help. And of course,
offering is a huge thing, you know, and. And they're.
They know what I believe because of what we've done. So
what can I do? I mean, part of it, it was just I read to
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my kids, my grandkids from. Yes.
As simple as reading. Yeah. Reading all the time with them.
And then how else can they help? Well, they were just starting into phonics, so
I did an Alphabet book. They would come over and I
would find something online. You know, Pinterest is full of ideas
of how to make the letter B. And so we would
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have construction paper and glitter
and the wires
and, you know, whatever. Sequins much
too. Yeah. Those moms,
they're like, ain't nobody got time for that mess. Right? Thank you for taking
that. You know, you can. You can do that. And I'm all about. About that.
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So, you know, we only had one disaster, and that was when I tried to
do an Alphabet book with too many grandchildren around, and
one of my granddaughters cut off her bangs. Oh. Like,
to about right here. I mean, it was
like a good idea.
So I was deeply apologizing to my daughter, but she was very kind.
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But, you know, things like that. So, yeah, then it became,
you know, can you help us with writing? Well, yes,
they're at a very fundamental level that needs a lot of foundational
things. But I do supplemental things like homonyms. How do we
spell? You know, spelling is critical to good writing.
And let's talk about all the different
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words that we can come up with that describes
man, cowboy, doctor,
child, fireman, policeman, you
know, exerciser. Just anything that we. We would just go around
the room. They thought that was the greatest game. Now I'm teaching
them geography, and we use puzzles, and everybody does a
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puzzle, and we go around the room and figure out those
things. Well, it, it's now not just about
learning to. It's the comradery of the cousins getting
together and we're building Team Roach. You
know, this is a good thing. We hang together, we work hard.
And sometimes I have to say, all right, that's
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enough. You need to work on
loving each other. Okay, let's just pause here and we're going to
work on some character issues, you know, but those are all things that I
know that my children are also trying to work on. And, and I
want to support them not
just in the academics, I want to support them in the behavior, the
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character, their love for God, the verses. You know,
sometimes I'll say, hey, Granny B, she's not
well today she fell. Can we remember to pray for her?
And then we got busy doing something and my 3 year old
granddaughter says, granny, we forgot to pray for
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Granny B. So I said, okay, that's great. So we
stopped and everybody went around the circle and prayed for Granny
B. And we got ready to leave and she said, I think we should pray
for Granny B again. You know, so I'm
trying to inculcate a lot of different things that are
supporting them and how they do it. You, you touched on
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something that I think, I mean, you guys, you and your husband are
very involved in the CHEC movement, you are very involved in home
discipleship, and you probably have very similarly
aligned parenting ideologies,
etc. But what if for the mom who is homeschooling
and she maybe isn't in that role, how do you navigate those
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conversations about. And I'll be honest, I have four grandkids and there are
some things that they do that I'm like, well, I wouldn't do it that way,
but I don't want to usurp their authority. I don't want them to
feel like I'm coming to. And I, I really do want to. So what are
some, what's some advice that you would give for the mom? Like, how would,
how could she be direct without, I
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don't know, because I could see this as a, a pain point where there's going
to be there. There's something so personal about how you raise your children.
So how would you encourage them to approach that conversation? You're
saying you don't want it to be a tug of war with the heart of
your child. You know, I think that's how you have
to kind of think through, what can I
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release to my parent or this other person?
How can, what can I trust Them with this is the heart
of my and soul of my child. So I want to
do what's right by my child, but I also want to
incorporate because I think there's nothing, it's not just about
you getting help when you can. You're also
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ministering to that older person
while they're helping you in that sense. Because
we as a society I think tend to,
okay, you're retired. No, you know, empty nest.
And then you're just done, you're done parenting, you're done working.
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And there's no other you value
culturally. Right, Right. And you don't have a lot. So I
think, you know, just honest conversations
that aren't in your face, direct, hurtful
about what you would like to see.
I mean even so small as hey,
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we're really having a hard time with this child and it seems like it gets
a lot worse when they have candy and
sugar. Would you mind not giving them
anything while they're with you or whatever. You
know, we're having some trouble with
this child really
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being mean. If there, if that's a problem, would you
mind telling me about it or whatever. I think
communication, humility, not
acting like, hey, we chose
a better way than you, like you did not do right by me and
so I'm going to do better than you. That doesn't fly. And that's not a
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heart of love, respect, honor for the
person that you're asking. Yeah. Wow. I.
Yes. I'm just thinking about some of the encounters that
I've had with my children where I really do want to come along inside. I
don't know, maybe it's not so much the encounters I've had with my children, but
it's the horror stories I've heard from friends of like the in laws. And so
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I have a son who, who his bride. I love
her. My daughter in love. I like that phrase. But I'm so careful
to not come off as that wicked stepmom that is.
Yeah. I. Our mother in law, I mean who is just not
getting her back or coming between and so really trying to
encourage that they are the authority and even when I
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maybe that's how I've handled it is just trying to ask them, well, what would
you like me to do? And for me to try to be humble. But
I so desperately wanted it. When I was a young mom, I
didn't have the training, the biblical training. So
my encouragement is to not be afraid to ask, like to
seek it, involve them and ask for the things that you want. And I
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think it's okay. Like you said, I love that you use
the glitter because as a young mom, I detested glitter. It
just lingered forever. You could never get rid of it.
Right. You were talking about the in law relationship
as a mother in law. Okay. I was trying to define my role
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based on what I wish I had, not what I did have.
Right. And so I did ask a ton of
questions and then I wanted to try to assume the
best. So like if she goes radio silent for a couple
days, not likely that
she's angry with me, she's busy, or
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oh, she's pregnant, that's why she didn't respond to
me two weeks ago is because she was running to the
bathroom all the time. You know, she was sick as a dog. So
those are some of the things that I think, you know, assuming the best,
communicating well as a
daughter in law to a mother in law.
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It goes both ways. And I think if the daughter in
law, which would be the parent that we're talking to right now,
if we can, if that
woman can initiate and
she can go and say, I would love your help, would you be
willing to help me? I think there's a great,
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a much easier buy in on both parts communication.
Asking, like you said, asking, don't be afraid to ask.
With caveats. Hey, if this doesn't work for you, it's okay. Yeah.
Well, and then there's this program called Storyworth. Have you ever heard of
it? No. So it's a program where you,
they facilitate getting the history of
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your loved one. So they email a question and
then they write an answer to answer that. And then at the end of it
you get a published book, which I, I just think it's so fun.
But that's what I'm thinking of in this like intergenerational
richness. Like it's so easy to assume
when you're young. I know all this already. I, I joke because
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my son, when he was a toddler, his phrase was I know that already
and just not to be teachable. But that is what I hope that the young
moms here is be teachable and wealth of
knowledge. Because you have, you have experience like Shalyn, you
probably have story after story of
some, you know, with five kids, some discipline
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struggles that maybe would be helpful. And it's
so hard as an older person to try to push that on
a younger person because they, they have to desire it and want it. Right.
So that being teachable, my, my kids will go on a
vacation to two of them and I encourage that like how can I
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help you? Can I take the kids for a while? Please? Feel free,
you know, go on a date night, whatever. And now they feel free to ask.
So sometimes they'll be like we're gonna go away for our
anniversary. And one time
my son and daughter in law had begun for a while and my son came
in the house when they were back and he said, so I'm
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pretty sure you have lots of suggestions on how we can
parent better because you've seen it. And I said
actually I have a greater appreciation for everything that my daughter
in law does because I've been doing
what she does and it's different doing it for an afternoon
than it is for seven days. You know, actually
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different at this age. Too for both of you for what you're doing. Especially
my daughter in law. Yeah, but yeah, that was, that was good that he's
at for input. And then I knew, I knew that was probably
his heart and then I said okay, well since you asked,
here's a few suggestions. Or this is not even how I think you correct it,
but this is what I see. And I'm hoping, I'm praying
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that my kids stand on my shoulders and learn
from my mistakes and do better. So I'm hoping they're going to be
better parents than me. But there is a bit of humble pie eating
in that because then you see them making a choice that's different than you
and it's so easy for Satan to whisper in your ear and go
huh? Why aren't they doing it like you did
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did. Do they think you didn't do it well enough? You know, and then I
just gotta kick him out. No, I will not think like that. I'm
going to assume the best. Yeah, it is,
it is an interesting dynamic. Just as a grandparent, I have felt that too.
Like yeah, I made some choices. You my parent failures.
But you and I were talking about this ahead of time. A righteous man falls
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seven times and gets back up again. Like we're not going to be perfect. You're
not going to be the perfect parent. Your parents weren't perfect. Your
kids are not going to be perfect parents because we live in a fallen world.
But our heart is what you just said so beautifully. Like we want our
children to stand on our shoulders. We want them to do better than we did.
And what matters right and, and pulling in the foundations of
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all the generational wisdom that we have available to us.
I just am encourag young families to do it, to
embrace that, to look for that because there is richness in it
and there is this valuing of life that I think is
countercultural. Right. Just period. Like you said, you're
retired, we're done with you. And I think that
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we have the opportunity to change that and to really invite in
that older generation in, even in just little ways. It doesn't have to
be watching the kids for a week. It could be an hour long class
that you do or encouraging your children to write
the letters to the older generation and become pen pals and
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ask those stories. You don't need a program like Story Worth. Just start asking grandma,
what was your favorite toy when you were my age? Do you remember it?
Who gave it to you? You know, those kind of things are so
sweet and can really strengthen a family, right? Yes,
absolutely. Well, I can. Do you have any examples of some,
because we're talking about the younger girls and the younger generation
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being teachable. What about this two way model? Have you seen that? Where
you've grown or you've seen other. Because we're supposed to
be growing. That's the sanctification process until we're face to face
with the Lord. So have you seen this? A two way street? Yes, I
think fundamentally as we were
engaging ourselves in home
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discipleship, we were trying to rethink it across the
board and we were wanting to break this
peer dependency where they are only
comfortable with someone their age. So we were trying
to have our children around people
of all ages. I know one time
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we had an adopted grandma and
she was dying and my little Megan was
three, four, something like that. And
we went to the hospice to see her
and grandma's Grandma Patton's
children were around and they said, well, she hasn't spoken to
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anybody for like a day. It's probably not
going to be long. And you know, Megan was there. Megan
and Jen, Heidi and Meg just kind of crawled up on the
bed and she grabbed Grandma Patton's hand and
she just started stroking it and grandma
actually opened her eyes and responded to her.
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So that was so good for grandma. That was really good
for Megan because she sees death
as part of the process and that it
is. Sure it's a little intimidating,
but she. We have a role in
that, in life. And so this is where it's way more than
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calculus and English and homonyms. This is
what we want our children to be, is engaged
in the culture and their world, bringing Christ and
hope to everything. My,
my daughters, when they were technically out of school,
they were working and helping my son with his business.
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But There was a lady at church who was
really sick and she had homeschool age children.
My daughters would go during for like a week at a
time, and they would stay there, they would cook, they would help
teach the kids. You know, all of that, that
was. That's community. That's the body of Christ coming
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together. I loved it. I love that. Yeah. There
are just ways where things, you know, where there's
opportunities like that. This is going the
other way. But we had a friend whose mom died and
she left behind children, and there's
no one ever to teach the girls. It's not the children.
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Not even like, mom's sick. Mom's just gone. And a lady
at our church, she helped school the kids,
you know, so there. There were lots of opportunities
for doing that. You know, just reading a book just
to the children. But this lady just dug in and did
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great with teaching them. I love it.
So that is a thank you for this conversation today,
Shaylyn. Because the intergenerational connections,
it's more than that. It's the body of Christ, and we are called to dwell
together in unity. Right. And, you know, I always just picture like this
being fit together because we are all individually
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uniquely designed and causes
some conflict sometimes. I mean, that's what iron sharpening iron is about, is
it causes sparks. But it's part of the sanctification process. It's part
of what give gives God glory, because he even says, they will know
you're my disciples by your love for one another. And that engagement
together is so rich and. Oh, I just hope that
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families would consider this, that they would reach out for different
generations and follow your example. Thank you. So as we
wrap up our interview today, we love to close every interview
with a homeschool tip that you would say was one of the best that
you received. It doesn't just have to do with home education,
but being humble. That when
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we are willing to look at life
and say, how can I change? What do you see in
my life? How can I do better? You
know, God gives grace in those situations. And,
you know, everybody's home situation is going to be different
than mine. And they need God to give
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them lots of
instruction and we need to be willing to receive it.
Yeah. Oh, man. And so good. And that is the sanctification process
to stay humble and let the Lord continue until we're face to face.
Right. Walk in grace with others. So many nuggets there. Thank you.
Well, Shalyn, we really appreciate you guys taking the time to
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We would rather have children that were not as
academically superior and children who loved
God, that were going to be faithful servants for their entire life.
If we have to give up one or the other, we'll give up the education.
But in fact, it was the opposite.
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hello and welcome. We are so delighted to have you again.
We have kind of a fun, different interview today. We're going
to talk to Shalyn Roach. She and her husband Bill, have been married for
over 40 years. They have five grown kids and
15. Wow. Grandkids. Um, I.
I'm a little bit jealous because 10 of her grandchildren are,
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like, on the same property or really close, like, neighbors.
My grandkids are four. I have four grandkids, and they're, like,
30 minutes apart away from me, which is way too far, in my opinion. So
I love that. Um, but what's really fun about Shaylyn, she
is married to the president of the
board for CHEC. So you've been very involved.
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I know he may have the title, but I am. I know that you
have been working in the CHEC world and in the homeschool
movement for a long time. Obviously, you raised your children and now you're
involved with your grandkids. So she shared a couple fun
little tidbits. I love this about you. She said she is
right now seeking to figure out which perennial flowers are going to grow best.
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If you know Colorado gardening, it's so fun.
You have to be patient, I think, for gardening in Colorado.
Yes. At least on the. Which the deer,
the rabbits. Yes. And the altitude
won't kill, so we're working at it. And hail. Storms and
hail. That was a good one this year. Yes, Hail. Yeah,
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exactly. So awesome. I love that you have that. Well, today
we're going to talk about generational input and
the Titus 2 model and how do we embrace that and how do we seek
that out in our lives? And what are some really good, practical ways
that we can kind of grow from one another? I think it's. It's
God's design. Right. So first, let's just start by
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Shalyn. Thanks for being here. Can you tell us a little bit about your
homeschool journey and how you. Yeah, just
introduce that to us. Tell us about it. Sure. My
Husband and I were living in Ohio, and he was teaching at a Christian
school there. Our oldest daughter was getting close to school age,
and he said, I, I think
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we want to take a different path. And I kind of looked at him with
deer in the headlights and said, you're talking
about me. I'm not the one with the education degree. Maybe
I should work and you should school the kids. And that didn't last
long on the table, but, you know, I was a little intimidated. But
we, going down this path, moved back
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to Colorado, which is where I grew up, and started
on this journey. And, you know, two or three weeks into it, I'm
like, I'm all in. I love this. This is. I'm
enjoying it. So it was exciting. And then we
found out about CHEC and got excited about
participating because we were sold on the
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philosophy of it. And so we got
involved in working. I worked at the conference,
workshop coordinator, and then we became the conference
coordinators. I think we were the first couple to do it together.
And about that same time, he joined the board
and then has been involved on the board
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and president for a good amount of time. Like 30
years. I don't know. I've lost track. Wow. I love it. I've heard Bill tell
the story of him being a teacher and going, wait a minute, what am I
doing? I want to take this. And, you know, it's so.
I love that. You know, the Bible says there's nothing new under the sun. You
guys, I would consider, are some of the pioneers in the
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homeschool movement. Like your child. How old is your oldest?
I think she is 39, Will.
Exactly. So. So you've been homeschooling since really around
the time that homeschooling became legal in Colorado and started
to across the nation, because it is now in all of the states. But it
wasn't at that time. So I love that you
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still had the same reservations that the moms today are having. Like,
whoa, I'm not qualified. Why do. Why do we believe that? Right? Like some
expert needs to raise our kids. We've been so conditioned.
So I remember a lady saying to me, well, you've
taught them the mother tongue. You've taught them how to
go to the bathroom on a toilet. You've taught them to tie your
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shoes. You just take the next step and
somebody will be there to help you. And there's
lots of supplements and
curriculum and people around these days,
but you can do it. Just, you know your
child better than anyone else does. You know their moods. Oh, they
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must Be teething, they're hurt, they're. There's something
troubling their heart, you know? You know all those things way more than anyone
else. Right? I love that. I love how simply you put that. Like, well, you
just do the next thing. Like sometimes I think we overwhelm ourselves because we're thinking,
what about calculus and advanced chemistry? And first of
all, not every student needs to learn that. And second of all, when you get
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there, you get there. We just borrow all this trouble. It's so funny, right?
Well, I mean, that's a topic in and of itself, of course,
but let's talk about the intergenerational thing. So first of all,
tell me, Shalyn, did you have a strong Christian heritage
or a strong like Titus 2 role model when you were younger?
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So I grew up in a Christian home, so in that sense,
I don't think it was really state dated. My mom was a great support.
I went to a Christian school for my entire time,
including college. But it
wasn't like a person had a name
that I connected with it, you know, a coach
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in sports. But nothing, nothing the same, like not. In
a formal manner is what you're saying. Yeah. Okay,
well, that's kind of what I want to talk to you about. I want to
talk about. How can you. Because most of the people listening to this
podcast are young homeschool families. They're in the thick of this
and so they're not the grandparent yet. It's really fun. I call it
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Parenting 2.0. So when you get there, it'll be delightful. But for now,
what I want to encourage them and give them tools for is how do you
invite your, your grandparents, maybe not your
grandparents, but older women, the Titus 2 model, into your
life. So let's talk about that. If
you're thinking about a young mom, how would you encourage her to approach
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somebody, whether it be her actual mom or stepmom
or another woman from their fellowship that they respect? How would you
encourage them to approach somebody to ask for their help or involvement?
I think if you have a good
relationship with a mom or a mother in law,
that's a great source for
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getting help. They love you deeply. I mean,
that's the hope and the prayer. Now that isn't always ideal for everyone and
sometimes you have to look a little further and you have a Christian friend,
an older lady at church, an aunt, something that
maybe is willing to do that. And so I think
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finding someone who has your core
values the best,
even if it's not family, to have Core
values that are in harmony is
the first thing that you should do.
And that saying, you don't want your
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home discipleship to be a battle zone. You're looking for
support and not a friend fight. And, and we
think of it more than home education. I would use the word home
discipleship because it's not just about books
for me. In fact, my husband and I felt like at the very
beginning when I was a little intimidated that I could actually
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academically teach phonics. I don't know why in the
world I felt so intimidated by that. But I didn't have a degree,
so. But, but we just decided
we would rather have children that were not as
academically superior and children who loved
God, that were going to be faithful servants for their entire
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life. If we have to give up one or the other, we'll give up
the education. But in fact it was the opposite.
We were able to teach our children about the Lord
and the academic portion
of it in this model was
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better achieved than in this big group setting with lots of
peers and bad philosophy and all of this.
But. But you want to be in lockstep
with someone who is trying to create
the same environment as you are. So I would
say just walking up to someone that you have a relationship
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with, hey, I want to homeschool my kids.
I'm trying to teach them at home. Is
there a way that maybe you could help me?
You know, that can be overwhelming to someone who
doesn't have that mindset. Yes.
So like, what, are you kidding? What do you think I can do? I
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think that's exactly what I was thinking. That's going to be the reaction. So
how are you. Yeah. Bite sized pieces being
realistic about what you can ask them, what are their skills, what are they strong
in? How is it that they are actually
helpful? And maybe it's not even
communicating the knowledge base,
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it's supporting you in a. Could you watch my
toddlers while I take my child or could
you just come over and sit with a baby and play
blocks with them? Or. I don't know. There's so
many ways look at your overall need and
think outside the box. I think that was one of the biggest things that
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we kind of came to
figure out that was helpful. We're not in a box
anymore. I don't have to have this big huge
box of curriculum. Curriculum is nice and it's wonderful,
but I don't have to do everything on that page
and I don't have to get all the supplies that are on
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there. I can do it this slightly different way. Well,
maybe how you order your day is going to be a little bit different.
But you. You figure out what this person
can help you with and how you can communicate together,
and then you just do the next thing. Yeah. You know, I was
thinking about, like you originally
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said, whoa, somebody who's lockstep with you and aligned. And
that is maybe not going to always be the case. My family,
I'm the first generation believer. So even
my parents, I was trying to figure out how I can involve them just
because I want to. Does it seem like we just don't live in a world
that values that the generations. Like, it seems like as people
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get older, it's okay, put them in a nursing home. They're an inconvenience
now. And I don't see that among homeschool families. Like,
we're cherishing it, and there's so much rich knowledge we can get from the older
generation. Right. So how do you draw that out? Like, with my
father, I asked him. It was so silly, but my father was in the military,
and my kids were a little bit older when we did this. But we did
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this whole gun safety class where I asked him to come and do it, and
he was so honored with when I asked him, because I was like, dad,
do you think you could now, again, not a believer and
certainly not lockstep with me. Even my family was like, you're doing
what? Homeschool? Are you sure? There was definitely
that attitude about it. But when I honored him by
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saying, can you help me with this, Dad? I think this would be really fun.
And I'm just thinking, let's just do, you know, one hour. And
here's all the things that I'm So I really guided him and helped him, but
invited him in, and that is what I think
would go over well. Right. Like, has that ever happened to you? You were telling
me about some of the ways that you're helping your grown kids because they're
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now homeschooling. I mean, the generations are continuing. They're in that.
And what are some of the ways that they've come to you and said, hey,
mom, or do they. What do they call you? What's your
grandma name? I'm Granny, and I took that
name after my mom, who also wanted to be Granny. So. So we
had two grannies around. She became Granny B because her last
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name is Bauer, and I became Granny Shay. So the quick
version is Granny, but sometimes it's Granny Shay. So,
yeah, I agree with you about not always being Able to be in lockstep.
But I think a fundamental thing is you don't want someone who is
quietly fighting you and your philosophy when
you have turned your children over to them. So that would maybe
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be a better way to say that you need to be in
agreement that you're going forward with this input
from someone else, and they're not going to be fighting you.
So that would be a better way to say it. But, yeah, some of the
ways that we've done it, you know, of course, I'm. I'm super
excited about the whole family
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discipleship model. We've tried to incorporate it in so many different ways
of the world. So, I mean, I was pretty quick to the draw. Like,
how can I help? I would like to help. And of course,
offering is a huge thing, you know, and. And they're.
They know what I believe because of what we've done. So
what can I do? I mean, part of it, it was just I read to
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my kids, my grandkids from. Yes.
As simple as reading. Yeah. Reading all the time with them.
And then how else can they help? Well, they were just starting into phonics, so
I did an Alphabet book. They would come over and I
would find something online. You know, Pinterest is full of ideas
of how to make the letter B. And so we would
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have construction paper and glitter
and the wires
and, you know, whatever. Sequins much
too. Yeah. Those moms,
they're like, ain't nobody got time for that mess. Right? Thank you for taking
that. You know, you can. You can do that. And I'm all about. About that.
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So, you know, we only had one disaster, and that was when I tried to
do an Alphabet book with too many grandchildren around, and
one of my granddaughters cut off her bangs. Oh. Like,
to about right here. I mean, it was
like a good idea.
So I was deeply apologizing to my daughter, but she was very kind.
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But, you know, things like that. So, yeah, then it became,
you know, can you help us with writing? Well, yes,
they're at a very fundamental level that needs a lot of foundational
things. But I do supplemental things like homonyms. How do we
spell? You know, spelling is critical to good writing.
And let's talk about all the different
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words that we can come up with that describes
man, cowboy, doctor,
child, fireman, policeman, you
know, exerciser. Just anything that we. We would just go around
the room. They thought that was the greatest game. Now I'm teaching
them geography, and we use puzzles, and everybody does a
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puzzle, and we go around the room and figure out those
things. Well, it, it's now not just about
learning to. It's the comradery of the cousins getting
together and we're building Team Roach. You
know, this is a good thing. We hang together, we work hard.
And sometimes I have to say, all right, that's
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enough. You need to work on
loving each other. Okay, let's just pause here and we're going to
work on some character issues, you know, but those are all things that I
know that my children are also trying to work on. And, and I
want to support them not
just in the academics, I want to support them in the behavior, the
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character, their love for God, the verses. You know,
sometimes I'll say, hey, Granny B, she's not
well today she fell. Can we remember to pray for her?
And then we got busy doing something and my 3 year old
granddaughter says, granny, we forgot to pray for
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Granny B. So I said, okay, that's great. So we
stopped and everybody went around the circle and prayed for Granny
B. And we got ready to leave and she said, I think we should pray
for Granny B again. You know, so I'm
trying to inculcate a lot of different things that are
supporting them and how they do it. You, you touched on
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something that I think, I mean, you guys, you and your husband are
very involved in the CHEC movement, you are very involved in home
discipleship, and you probably have very similarly
aligned parenting ideologies,
etc. But what if for the mom who is homeschooling
and she maybe isn't in that role, how do you navigate those
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conversations about. And I'll be honest, I have four grandkids and there are
some things that they do that I'm like, well, I wouldn't do it that way,
but I don't want to usurp their authority. I don't want them to
feel like I'm coming to. And I, I really do want to. So what are
some, what's some advice that you would give for the mom? Like, how would,
how could she be direct without, I
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don't know, because I could see this as a, a pain point where there's going
to be there. There's something so personal about how you raise your children.
So how would you encourage them to approach that conversation? You're
saying you don't want it to be a tug of war with the heart of
your child. You know, I think that's how you have
to kind of think through, what can I
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release to my parent or this other person?
How can, what can I trust Them with this is the heart
of my and soul of my child. So I want to
do what's right by my child, but I also want to
incorporate because I think there's nothing, it's not just about
you getting help when you can. You're also
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ministering to that older person
while they're helping you in that sense. Because
we as a society I think tend to,
okay, you're retired. No, you know, empty nest.
And then you're just done, you're done parenting, you're done working.
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And there's no other you value
culturally. Right, Right. And you don't have a lot. So I
think, you know, just honest conversations
that aren't in your face, direct, hurtful
about what you would like to see.
I mean even so small as hey,
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we're really having a hard time with this child and it seems like it gets
a lot worse when they have candy and
sugar. Would you mind not giving them
anything while they're with you or whatever. You
know, we're having some trouble with
this child really
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being mean. If there, if that's a problem, would you
mind telling me about it or whatever. I think
communication, humility, not
acting like, hey, we chose
a better way than you, like you did not do right by me and
so I'm going to do better than you. That doesn't fly. And that's not a
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heart of love, respect, honor for the
person that you're asking. Yeah. Wow. I.
Yes. I'm just thinking about some of the encounters that
I've had with my children where I really do want to come along inside. I
don't know, maybe it's not so much the encounters I've had with my children, but
it's the horror stories I've heard from friends of like the in laws. And so
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I have a son who, who his bride. I love
her. My daughter in love. I like that phrase. But I'm so careful
to not come off as that wicked stepmom that is.
Yeah. I. Our mother in law, I mean who is just not
getting her back or coming between and so really trying to
encourage that they are the authority and even when I
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maybe that's how I've handled it is just trying to ask them, well, what would
you like me to do? And for me to try to be humble. But
I so desperately wanted it. When I was a young mom, I
didn't have the training, the biblical training. So
my encouragement is to not be afraid to ask, like to
seek it, involve them and ask for the things that you want. And I
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think it's okay. Like you said, I love that you use
the glitter because as a young mom, I detested glitter. It
just lingered forever. You could never get rid of it.
Right. You were talking about the in law relationship
as a mother in law. Okay. I was trying to define my role
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based on what I wish I had, not what I did have.
Right. And so I did ask a ton of
questions and then I wanted to try to assume the
best. So like if she goes radio silent for a couple
days, not likely that
she's angry with me, she's busy, or
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oh, she's pregnant, that's why she didn't respond to
me two weeks ago is because she was running to the
bathroom all the time. You know, she was sick as a dog. So
those are some of the things that I think, you know, assuming the best,
communicating well as a
daughter in law to a mother in law.
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It goes both ways. And I think if the daughter in
law, which would be the parent that we're talking to right now,
if we can, if that
woman can initiate and
she can go and say, I would love your help, would you be
willing to help me? I think there's a great,
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a much easier buy in on both parts communication.
Asking, like you said, asking, don't be afraid to ask.
With caveats. Hey, if this doesn't work for you, it's okay. Yeah.
Well, and then there's this program called Storyworth. Have you ever heard of
it? No. So it's a program where you,
they facilitate getting the history of
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your loved one. So they email a question and
then they write an answer to answer that. And then at the end of it
you get a published book, which I, I just think it's so fun.
But that's what I'm thinking of in this like intergenerational
richness. Like it's so easy to assume
when you're young. I know all this already. I, I joke because
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my son, when he was a toddler, his phrase was I know that already
and just not to be teachable. But that is what I hope that the young
moms here is be teachable and wealth of
knowledge. Because you have, you have experience like Shalyn, you
probably have story after story of
some, you know, with five kids, some discipline
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struggles that maybe would be helpful. And it's
so hard as an older person to try to push that on
a younger person because they, they have to desire it and want it. Right.
So that being teachable, my, my kids will go on a
vacation to two of them and I encourage that like how can I
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help you? Can I take the kids for a while? Please? Feel free,
you know, go on a date night, whatever. And now they feel free to ask.
So sometimes they'll be like we're gonna go away for our
anniversary. And one time
my son and daughter in law had begun for a while and my son came
in the house when they were back and he said, so I'm
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pretty sure you have lots of suggestions on how we can
parent better because you've seen it. And I said
actually I have a greater appreciation for everything that my daughter
in law does because I've been doing
what she does and it's different doing it for an afternoon
than it is for seven days. You know, actually
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different at this age. Too for both of you for what you're doing. Especially
my daughter in law. Yeah, but yeah, that was, that was good that he's
at for input. And then I knew, I knew that was probably
his heart and then I said okay, well since you asked,
here's a few suggestions. Or this is not even how I think you correct it,
but this is what I see. And I'm hoping, I'm praying
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that my kids stand on my shoulders and learn
from my mistakes and do better. So I'm hoping they're going to be
better parents than me. But there is a bit of humble pie eating
in that because then you see them making a choice that's different than you
and it's so easy for Satan to whisper in your ear and go
huh? Why aren't they doing it like you did
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did. Do they think you didn't do it well enough? You know, and then I
just gotta kick him out. No, I will not think like that. I'm
going to assume the best. Yeah, it is,
it is an interesting dynamic. Just as a grandparent, I have felt that too.
Like yeah, I made some choices. You my parent failures.
But you and I were talking about this ahead of time. A righteous man falls
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seven times and gets back up again. Like we're not going to be perfect. You're
not going to be the perfect parent. Your parents weren't perfect. Your
kids are not going to be perfect parents because we live in a fallen world.
But our heart is what you just said so beautifully. Like we want our
children to stand on our shoulders. We want them to do better than we did.
And what matters right and, and pulling in the foundations of
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all the generational wisdom that we have available to us.
I just am encourag young families to do it, to
embrace that, to look for that because there is richness in it
and there is this valuing of life that I think is
countercultural. Right. Just period. Like you said, you're
retired, we're done with you. And I think that
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we have the opportunity to change that and to really invite in
that older generation in, even in just little ways. It doesn't have to
be watching the kids for a week. It could be an hour long class
that you do or encouraging your children to write
the letters to the older generation and become pen pals and
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ask those stories. You don't need a program like Story Worth. Just start asking grandma,
what was your favorite toy when you were my age? Do you remember it?
Who gave it to you? You know, those kind of things are so
sweet and can really strengthen a family, right? Yes,
absolutely. Well, I can. Do you have any examples of some,
because we're talking about the younger girls and the younger generation
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being teachable. What about this two way model? Have you seen that? Where
you've grown or you've seen other. Because we're supposed to
be growing. That's the sanctification process until we're face to face
with the Lord. So have you seen this? A two way street? Yes, I
think fundamentally as we were
engaging ourselves in home
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discipleship, we were trying to rethink it across the
board and we were wanting to break this
peer dependency where they are only
comfortable with someone their age. So we were trying
to have our children around people
of all ages. I know one time
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we had an adopted grandma and
she was dying and my little Megan was
three, four, something like that. And
we went to the hospice to see her
and grandma's Grandma Patton's
children were around and they said, well, she hasn't spoken to
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anybody for like a day. It's probably not
going to be long. And you know, Megan was there. Megan
and Jen, Heidi and Meg just kind of crawled up on the
bed and she grabbed Grandma Patton's hand and
she just started stroking it and grandma
actually opened her eyes and responded to her.
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So that was so good for grandma. That was really good
for Megan because she sees death
as part of the process and that it
is. Sure it's a little intimidating,
but she. We have a role in
that, in life. And so this is where it's way more than
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calculus and English and homonyms. This is
what we want our children to be, is engaged
in the culture and their world, bringing Christ and
hope to everything. My,
my daughters, when they were technically out of school,
they were working and helping my son with his business.
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But There was a lady at church who was
really sick and she had homeschool age children.
My daughters would go during for like a week at a
time, and they would stay there, they would cook, they would help
teach the kids. You know, all of that, that
was. That's community. That's the body of Christ coming
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together. I loved it. I love that. Yeah. There
are just ways where things, you know, where there's
opportunities like that. This is going the
other way. But we had a friend whose mom died and
she left behind children, and there's
no one ever to teach the girls. It's not the children.
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Not even like, mom's sick. Mom's just gone. And a lady
at our church, she helped school the kids,
you know, so there. There were lots of opportunities
for doing that. You know, just reading a book just
to the children. But this lady just dug in and did
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great with teaching them. I love it.
So that is a thank you for this conversation today,
Shaylyn. Because the intergenerational connections,
it's more than that. It's the body of Christ, and we are called to dwell
together in unity. Right. And, you know, I always just picture like this
being fit together because we are all individually
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uniquely designed and causes
some conflict sometimes. I mean, that's what iron sharpening iron is about, is
it causes sparks. But it's part of the sanctification process. It's part
of what give gives God glory, because he even says, they will know
you're my disciples by your love for one another. And that engagement
together is so rich and. Oh, I just hope that
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families would consider this, that they would reach out for different
generations and follow your example. Thank you. So as we
wrap up our interview today, we love to close every interview
with a homeschool tip that you would say was one of the best that
you received. It doesn't just have to do with home education,
but being humble. That when
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we are willing to look at life
and say, how can I change? What do you see in
my life? How can I do better? You
know, God gives grace in those situations. And,
you know, everybody's home situation is going to be different
than mine. And they need God to give
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them lots of
instruction and we need to be willing to receive it.
Yeah. Oh, man. And so good. And that is the sanctification process
to stay humble and let the Lord continue until we're face to face.
Right. Walk in grace with others. So many nuggets there. Thank you.
Well, Shalyn, we really appreciate you guys taking the time to
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be on or you and
thanks for listening with us guys. We'll see you next time.
Thank you so much for joining us today. The Colorado Homeschool
Podcast is a ministry of Christian Home Educators of Colorado.
We have been motivating parents to disciple the next generation
by embracing home discipleship that is Christ centered, parent
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directed, and free from government control. We invite you to join us in this
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