Episode 28: Standing Firm: Protecting Children from Ideological Influences with Stephen Scaer

In this compelling episode, host Robert Wallace engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Stephen Scaer, aka "Sidewalk Steve," a candidate running for Senate in New Hampshire. Scaer shares his experiences and insights on his mission to protect children from what he views as the harmful influences of LGBTQIA ideology.

The discussion delves into the broader implications of transgender ideology, the role of public schools, and the vulnerabilities of children and young adults with mental health challenges.

Tune in to hear Stephen's passionate arguments against the current trends in "gender-affirming care," his personal motivations, and his strategies for creating safer environments for children. This episode is highlights and emphasizes the importance of speaking out and taking action.

Episode Transcript

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I'm your host, Robert Wallace, and this is a Gazed Against Screamers production.
Today, we have Stephen Skerr on with us.
He is running for Senate in New Hampshire, and he's been doing a lot of work
to protect children from the LGBTQIA ideology that's attacking all over the

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place. How are you doing, Stephen?
I'm doing well. How about you? I'm doing fantastic. Fantastic.
So we were just talking right before we got on and you were in the midst of
just dealing with some police because you went out to the pride parade.
We're doing your due diligence to spread the good word of protecting kids.
And you ran into some issues, it sounds like. Yeah, I was standing around the

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parade route in my own town, which it's a very safe town.
And while I was there, a man really just lost his temper and he came by to block
me. And that always happens when I go to one of these parades.
People smirk and then they stand in front of me as if it's an original idea.
But then this guy turned around, big muscular guy, and got inches from me and

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pushed his umbrella against my hat and just kept on repeating things again and again.
Like, your Sky Santa isn't real. Grow up again and again.
Or your family hates you. Your family hates you.
And then he eventually went after my wife, who was there too. too, and much smaller.
There was a police officer in the vicinity, and she called out for him as this guy was chasing her.

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And he didn't come. Eventually, this guy left. And I went over to the police
officer and said, what happened there?
And his explanation was that the man was several feet away. I never got close.
As a matter of fact, this guy was pushing against us.
So I was talking with, had the police come over, file a report.
And I'm talking to the police chief, too about what

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happened and well i'm sorry you went through
that and that is one of the unfortunate prices of
speaking against these this mob mentality is
they have a tendency to come up against you and try to threaten and intimidate
were the police able to give you any sort of precautionary measures for the
next time yes what they said is well first of all they told me they had a free

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speech area that i didn't know of and the free speech area wasn't along the
parade route It was by the festival.
And I said, you know, if I want to be here, what should I do?
Just call you and let you know. And they said, yeah, they'll take care of me.
They'll send a police officer over to watch me if I give them an indication
of where I stand. They also watched the video.
And they said they're going to talk to this guy and see about pressing some charges.

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But the one thing that I didn't do explicitly according to law,
even though it was implied as be really clear, get away from me,
get back, get away from me.
Repeating those magic words is something that I didn't do. The good thing is
that the police officer was really sympathetic.
And it demonstrated one of the really important things about wherever you're

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speaking out against this stuff, that we're the sane ones. We really need to show that.
And he admired how calm I was and how calm my wife was and that we didn't reciprocate
in that hatred and anger that we were getting.
Yeah, that's good advice. Call the cops. Let them know you're going to be there.
You know, waive any sort of tacit agreement to what they're doing by letting

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them know, hey, don't stand here, even though that should be kind of implied common sense.
So kind of crazy, but it's good you remain calm.
More and more when I'm going out, usually I get nothing. Some days I get nothing
but support, or someone will say, F you or you're wrong, and they'll run away as quickly as they can.
And once in a while I get the kind of autistic young person who loves to recite

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his catechism about the only 1% regret,
2% detransition, 70% suicide rate, or whatever they're up to right now.
And I'll respond to that. But that's really, really rare. But what I'm seeing
more and more from the people that do confront me, that disagree with me,
is just downright Antifa tactics.

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You know, I've had run-ins with Antifa, and I'm seeing that from the same script
from people that aren't Antifa, as if they're getting the same kind of training.
So it's something I've got to get a little more used to responding to. Wow, yeah.
That is a difficult combination of counter-protesting to deal with, for sure. Sure.
What got you involved in your political pursuit here for your senatorial run in New Hampshire?

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My senatorial run, no one else was running. It's the second time that I'm running.
And it's every two years. So two years ago, essentially, my wife drove me to do it.
I said, if no one else is going to run, just give people a choice. I'll be on the ballot.
This time, I'm running specifically to stop young people from being exploited

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by the medical industry and to keep men out of women's sports and private spaces.
So as I'm doing my, I went back and I did my campaign page and I removed everything
beside that from my campaign page.
And then if you run for office, I don't know if you're getting this because
you mentioned you're running for office, but you're running for a state office.
I get these polls about how I stand on other issues, or someone might ask me about term limits.

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And these things are all really important, the stuff people want to bring up.
But I'm just so obsessed about my cause, I don't care.
I just want this horrible thing to end.
I mean, it could be someone fighting child labor or abolition. I just want this to stop.
And I'm in a really, really long-shot district. This is the city that elected

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Stacey Loughton as a state rep.
And this was a person who, a man who identified as woman and then later was
arrested for exploiting children and child porn.
And he already had convictions not related to that, some serious convictions.
They elected him anyway.
So voting for me just sends a message. It's a chance to do what I'm doing every day. Excellent.

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It's crazy that this is like the number one issue for so many voters, protecting children,
keeping men out of women's locker rooms, men out of women's sports,
and stopping the influences of the trans ideology within the schools or wherever kids are being found.
Where are your state laws right now with regards to these measures,

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protecting kids or putting them in danger? Sure.
If I were better prepared, I'd be able to give you the bills better.
Right now, we have bills in front of Chris Sununu. So they got through the House and the Senate.
And one of them would allow the sports teams and anyone who manages public facilities

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to take into account sex in their decisions.
Now, it's been misrepresented as this is going to force segregation.
It just allows people to look at who's playing or who's using the facilities
and make some common sense decisions to consider those as factors.
We also have a bill going through that's going to prevent specifically genital surgeries for minors.

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And this was really surprising, too, because a handful of Democrats said.
Ended up supporting it. And one of them, they ended up, so I'm told,
is physically being attacked for having voted for this bill,
which is really narrow in what it does.
But the odd thing is, we're waiting for Chris Sununu, our governor,

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to come up to a decision on this.
In 2018, he's the one who signed all these things into law.
And that was back when And a bunch of Republicans were on this because everyone
wants to march with Martin Luther King.
And it was presented that there was going to be no downside.
And I was campaigning against this stuff then.

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But currently we have laws that say any man who says he's a woman is in fact a woman.
And we also have this horrible conversion therapy ban, which is nothing like
what it sounds like. It just makes it a crime to tell a girl who's really troubled
and confused about her gender that she might actually be a girl.

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And maybe there's some upsides to being a girl. And maybe there are some downsides
to getting puberty blockers and testosterone and having your healthy breasts removed.
What do you see as being the effect in your area?
And I'm sure it's probably very similar to what we're all seeing.
But the effects of having these kids indoctrinated into these beliefs,

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what's becoming of their personality and how widely do you think it's actually
spreading the mental illnesses of gender dysphoria and body dysmorphia?
Wow, that sounds like a series of episodes addressing that. That's big.
The first thing is young people are really happy to see me, even the ones that

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come up and swear at me and they identify as transgender teenagers because at
least I'm someone that cares about them. And kids know when they're being bullshitted.
Teenagers do. So the ones that are getting affirmed all the time,
they know that they're just getting one straight line and they're happy to hear another perspective.
So they'll stop and talk to me.

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They'll swear at me a whole bunch along the way, but they'll keep talking.
And also a lot of teenagers, they're listening under—there's terrible coercion
in the schools, too, and they'll stop and tell me about it.
One of the fun experiences I had, I was in the Exeter, New Hampshire Alien Festival.
And there were a bunch of teens nearby, and they were working the burger grill

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where they're selling burgers and beverages to the crowd there for local charity.
When things slowed down, they all ran over, and they asked if they could get
their photos with me because they were so
excited to see me, but apparently the word got back to the powers that be,
the people at their high school, that they did that, even though this was on
a weekend and they were severely reprimanded for getting a picture with me with my signs.

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So this is all causing quite a bit of a rebellion among young people, too.
The reason that I think students, young people are so susceptible to this is,
one, of course, the rise of social media. That's really, really big.
And the reasons that other people like Abigail Schreier have explored more widely

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and people that have looked at the breakdown of the family, just the rise in mental illness.
These are people that are really, really anxious and really upset.
And this is a great panacea. This is the old Reddit medicine show snake oil
that's being sold here. It's going to solve all your problems.

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Jack Turbin, even a physician who advocates for this stuff, went as far to say
it could greatly alleviate your autism.
So this promises to solve all your spiritual problems and to make everything make sense.
And part of the reason I got into this is that my niece got involved in this

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stuff when this just got started.
And she had a rough life, and she was brilliant. She needed mental health help,
and instead she got testosterone.
And then things just tumbled down
from there, and she ended up dying of an opioid overdose, I should say.
I don't know if it was fentanyl or heroin. And so this stuff is really,

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really destructive, but it promises everyone to be a quick cure.
You know, what's so sad about this is they, you know, these proponents of this
ideology tend to use the whole suicide argument.
Yes. And for those who are paying attention, on one hand, you'll hear those
who are propagating this say there is as many as 40 percent are suicidal.

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And then, but when you really look at the numbers, you'll see something closer
to just over 1% maybe dealing with that.
And then after transition, it kind of triples just past 3%. And all the while,
we're not even considering the other factors going on with these people's mental
health. Can you speak to that? Sure.

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I spent a whole lot of time with this and going to the from the very beginning of this,
I was hearing the trans or die and people are buying into this that unless we
affirm these kids are going to kill themselves and they repeat it enough and
people with enough authority repeat it, that people take it as fact.
And then anyone that supported this stuff, the only thing that justifies this

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is you're saving someone's life.
So they can't process it doesn't do this.
Most of it comes from the Trevor Project's online survey.
So they're soliciting people, and they're soliciting people from a group that's
told constantly that they're suicidal.
I was at one event in a local town where some of the local activists,

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trans rights activists, were actually polling the kids outside.
It was high school-age kids, and they asked them for a show of hands.
How many of you were suicidal?
How many of you have had your lives saved by gender-affirming care?
Even then, what they're looking at is suicidality. And digging into this a little
bit, I was looking at the numbers that I could. And I don't have those numbers

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in front of me, but I think I can give this pretty closely.
If you look at the annual CDC youth risk assessment that's given to all high
schoolers, 30% of all high school girls say they seriously contemplated suicide.
I believe the suicide attempt rate that they reported is 10%.

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If you look at the boys, they reported both of these things at almost exactly
half the rate, that 15% say they seriously contemplated suicide.
If you look at the actual suicide rate, males across the board are four times
as likely to die of suicide.

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So this is not very meaningful. They're looking at suicidality, not suicide.
And the other thing that really concerns me, and Lior Sapor has pointed this out repeatedly,
is that, and I've had this training, that the last thing you want to do is tell
a category of young people that they're suicidal. I work as a teacher.

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When I was working at a high school, there was a popular show called 13 Reasons
Why, which was all about a young woman commits suicide, and then they talk about
all the things that can attribute it to that.
And we all were called in, and especially me, because I was in special ed,
and said, you know, make sure that we're not telling kids that they're suicidal,

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because this spreads as a social contagion.
Now they're perfectly happy to put kids at risk and have them become their martyrs.
And we had one suicide death.
And within the last year or so, someone jumping over a highway bridge was really
horrible, who identified as transgender.

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And the trans rights activists reported this right away, of course,
they're going to take advantage of it, and talked about the circumstances again and again.
And then we had another one that looked like it was a copycat suicide.
It's so callous, it's so cruel to teach kids that they're suicidal.
No, there's no numbers to back this up. We know that from Dr.

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Katalia, who is from Finland's leading expert, who said stop saying this.
And, of course, now the CAST review making this really clear.
And I've been trying to communicate this with Dartmouth Health.
And they'll go one further.
They have articles there by their endocrinologist, who's now in charge of their

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child and teen transing program.
Program, and she had an op-ed where she describes how she coerces parents with,
you better let me give this kid some hormones, or he or she is going to kill
him herself, telling it to the parents straight out. It's a horrible thing.
It's based on absolutely nothing, and it puts more lives at risk.

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You know, you're coming from a very unique perspective as a special educator.
So you've spent a lot of time with people with different sort of learning disabilities
disabilities and mental handicaps. Can you speak to the vulnerability of that demographic?
What makes them vulnerable and why we need to protect the messaging that they receive?

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Yes, this is one of the first things when this started becoming an issue when
I was a teacher in high school is there would be severely autistic kids.
And the tough things about autism is the.
Everyone says they love all children, and we love autistic children.
Kids with autism are harder to love because they have trouble with social reciprocation.

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They tend to have obsessions.
They have difficulty with theories of mind and seeing from other people's perspectives.
And because of that, they tend to get caught in their own fantasies as just a way of coping.
And so they'll pick up. Right now, the big thing is anime being the big thing.
Back when I started as a high school, it might have been something like young

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men getting obsessed with trains or the Civil War or something like that.
But these kids would get picked on and picked on, and they felt isolated.
What I was seeing is these kids are going to the gay-straight alliance groups
after school, and they're getting love-bombed, and they're getting accepted.
And it's a shame that it has to happen that way.

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And these kids would be coming along with the paraphernalia of the transgender movement.
And all you have to do is say that you're transgender and everything changes a whole lot.
And this was true of my niece who had severe ADHD and really had a hard time fitting in.

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And all of a sudden, she's leading the local parade in her city. seriously.
I mean, they're given special status and made to feel special.
We also know that they tend to see things.
In black and white. And something that's happening more and more,
and you see it on social media, on Twitter, is these kids are so programmable.

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And these are the people that if you go online and you discuss it with you,
they'll argue and they'll never be wrong.
And they learn all of the false information that's given to them,
such as that 1% detran, the 2% detransition, 1% regret rate,
and only because they're not accepted.
And they have all this stuff memorized. And once they do this,

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they'll literally go to their graves with this.
People talk about the detransition rate being low, but you can go onto a social
media site and seeing kids that will die before they detransition,
but they're suffering the same horrible side effects as everyone else.
So the autistic kids especially.
And I would look to what the detransitioners are saying that they're getting

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picked on when they're in the middle of going through major crises.
Now, something I want to talk about just going back to the beginning is,
I mean, you mentioned about preserving children.
When I go to legislative hearings, something I often hear from people that largely
agree with me is, I have nothing against transgender people.
And I think that's a mistake, because I don't believe in transgenderism at all.

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And they'll say, let's wait until they're 18. And when you're neurodiverse,
you've got severe ADHD, or you have autism, you're at a much lower stage developmentally.
So 18, you're still a baby. You're still really, really young.
You're not ready for that.
And then you've been groomed, too, to take the testosterone the moment you're 18.

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And so I'm really concerned. I want to end this for young adults,
too, being 21, because no one can give informed consent if they're given false
information or if they have severe disabilities.
Now, just before I came on this show, for the first time, I was meeting with,
just communicating online with a beautiful young woman named Amanda,

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who's autism and other mental illnesses.
And she lives in New Hampshire, and she's the first detransitioner in New Hampshire
who's suing the local clinicians and some of the local institutions like Dartmouth
Health and St. Joseph Hospitals.
She had severe mental illness and autism, and they targeted her for all this

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starting at age 22. too. What they did to her is just horrible.
So I'm not, I'm as concerned about young adults as I am children with this.
Yeah, that's very fair and necessary.
You know, one of the things that we at Gays Against Rumors say is that no child
is born in the wrong body.
And, you know, aside of the fact that it, you know, ours really is a child wellness

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advocacy sort of organization, It really does spill into adulthood.
And like you said, when you have people who are suffering with forms of autism,
they are not going to be the average 18-year-old, even if it says on paper they're adults.
I think it's something that's insane about that.
I feel passionately about this is.

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When I first started out just going to people and I started bringing along my
body cam, mainly so I wouldn't keep getting hurt.
I could record it when people assaulted me or tried to intimidate me.
And I ran into a woman who's going to set me straight. And she was the lead
psychologist for the youth and child transing program at Dartmouth Health,

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the biggest clinic that does this.
And she gave me a lecture and I still got it all there telling me off.
And she gave me information that was absolutely false.
And I brought up autism, too. And she said, yeah, we have more autistic people,
but we don't really know why.
And one of her specialties as a psychologist was autism.
A year ago, Dartmouth Health gave her a special social justice award for her

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role in making sure that people with autism got life-saving,
gender-affirming care.
And I read that as we're targeting autistic people. It's horrible.
Yeah, that's what it definitely seems like. They are taking advantage of these
kids who were young adults who don't know better because their brain isn't working

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in a holistic manner that would inform them as to better choices. Yeah.
Another example of a young adult that I've worked with is, I don't know if you've
seen the videos of Katie Anderson,
and she was also interviewed by Chloe Cole, too, and Vivek Ramaswamy when he

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was running for president in New Hampshire stopped by and had a nice conversation with them both.
She goes to my church, so it's someone that I see and say hi to almost every week.
And she didn't start this until she was about the moment she turned 18,
starting these processes way, way too young and other issues going on.

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So, yeah, I'm going to make that really clear that it's not just children.
It's these young adults. And as you said, these are people, especially those
who have suffered sexual trauma. We probably both know people,
detransitioners who were suffering sexual trauma.
That's really common, too. No one's keeping statistics on this.
And people that were just lonely and misfits. It's horrible. Yes, very much.

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You got those side issues going on like sexual trauma.
We had the former Arizona State chapter lead whose name went by Matt Ray is
now detransitioned and gone back to his birth name, Amy.
That started at the age of 25.
Amy became Matt at 25. And then now at the age of 32, she's a year into her

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detransition. So that can happen to somebody whose brain is allegedly fully
developed at the age of 25.
But how much easier is it for a child or a young adult who is also going through
other mental health crises and finding themselves susceptible to that?
One of the biggest arguments that I hear from trans rights activists,

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especially at the state house, because I go in and testify all that I can,
all that my schedule allows,
and even for some times where I really need to be somewhere else,
is that, well, this needs to be a decision, and it's been made over many years
with the physicians and with the parent and the young person.
But at any age, there can't be informed consent, first of all, if there's coercion.

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And it's young people and their parents that are told the suicide myth.
So even if you're 25 years old and you're told that this is life-saving care,
and it's not, then it's not informed consent. That's coercion.
And anytime someone sells you a quack therapy, this is Wild West medicine show
stuff, and they're telling you it works. when we have absolutely no evidence

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it works, how can that be informed consent at any age?
The other thing that's funny about the informed consent saying the parents are involved is.
Dartmouth Health at the statehouse has testified how if a parent isn't on board,
how they work around the parent.
Yeah, that is very coercive. Absolutely.
And you can't give informed consent, especially around a matter like this,

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because whether they like it or not, you can't change your gender.
You can create the appearance just like I can put on a Superman outfit,
but that doesn't make me Superman.
It just means I've changed my appearance. and yet that is passing as consent,
as information, as informed consent.
You know, in the Philippines, I believe it is, you have to be 21 years old.

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You have to have your parents' permission.
You have to have a doctor, a psychiatrist, and you have to go before a judge
before you're able to go and make these types of decisions.
And here right now, not only don't we have preventative measures like that to
prevent lifelong mistakes from happening, but we're encouraging, even like infants.
So, you know, you got blues clues with the parade and the cartoon normalizing

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the trans life and the queer, the queerisms.
And it really does seem like there is an attack in terms of this transition
sort of therapy, conversion therapy.
You know, a lot of times you're taking gay kids who are like,
how come I'm not liking girls?
And then let's basically convert you into another form of human instead of just

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getting you to accept yourself.
All this garbage started just 30 minutes south of where I am at the Boston Children's Hospital.
And the doctor there, Dr. Spack, came in and he said that he's using the Dutch
protocol, which is, let's figure out which kids are going to want the sex change
later, which is a really ridiculous premise.

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And then we'll go ahead and we'll suppress their sexual development,
give them opposite sex hormones.
And through this Frankenstein experiment, turn girls into boys and boys into girls.
Dr. Speck, in 2009, said, we're going to do this in Boston, and we're going to sell it.
He sold it as, well, it's already really well-established over there, which it was.

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And it was just an experimental treatment done on a few score of children and with mixed results.
But what a goldmine he came up with.
That kids as young as, that still believe in Santa Claus and even at Boston
Children's, they said toddlers can diagnose themselves as being boys or girls.

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Not that anyone can tell you what a boy or girl is.
They can't, they won't. It's all based on stereotypes.
They can diagnose themselves and start to set them down a path to be lifelong medical patients.
This is an absolute goldmine. And if you don't go along with it,
the kid's going to kill themselves.
And it was an irresistible model for the entire medical industry.

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So then we have, I don't know, last check, somewhere around 300 gender clinics
throughout the United States.
Kids diagnose themselves, lifelong medical patients. What's better than that?
And then the groups that just, like the ACLU, they wanted a new minority to champion.
So now we've got these people with the souls of the opposite sex.

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So they jump in on this too.
The entire Democratic Party, here's a new group of clients, a new cause to champion.
We're going to march with Martin Luther King.
We've got to wave our flags. And they jump in, too.
And then there's the AGP men. All of a sudden, they can have the special powers

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and take over women's sports and private spaces.
But it all started right here with this myth, this crazy story that in a saner
age just wouldn't make any sense.
Yeah, you know, there's increasing lawsuits going on and there needs to be accountability
for these professionals.
What are they there for if not to make the patient aware of the dangers of the

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path they're going down or even just, you know, using common sense and protecting
them from doing this to themselves?
And so, to the contrary, they're encouraging the opposite, healthy people to
go and do unhealthy things.
Healthy people physically, not mentally, of course, or they wouldn't really
be in that situation. And of course, they're claiming that people are happy
and it's life-saving care.

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But this is the greatest medical scandal in history.
And another thing that they make sure they do is they don't keep the aggregate data, do they?
So they can keep on telling us everyone is happy, there's only a 1% regret rate,
then you hear the lower than back surgery and knee surgery, and it's all complete garbage.

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And they can make this stuff up because they aren't keeping track.
And now we've finally got some of that data from European countries,
including England now, where you'll only be able to get it in very specific circumstances.
It'll be in a clinical setting, and they will finally keep track.
But here it is, the Wild West.

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So they can keep on saying it's good for you. You're the only one complaining.
Exactly. That is what they say. And if you do complain, if you don't like it,
it's because you weren't affirmed enough.
If a kid who undergoes these treatments and gets socially transitioned at school
has the parents, well, they still weren't accepted enough.

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So it's a never-ending argument. Right. Exactly.
So as far as the influences go and the positions that you plan on taking once
you find your way into the Senate here, which I hope you do,
social media, books in schools,
you know, we have these influences coming around validating this way of thinking.
What would you be able to do from that post in order to curb the tide of those influences?

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I've worked at public schools for a long time, and I want to make it really
clear that I'm definitely not someone who's anti-public school teacher.
Of course, there's bad people, and the libs of TikTok is fun because they pick
up on some of those teachers.
But most of them are working under horribly difficult circumstances,

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great challenges, and they care about the children.
Having said that, the schools on the whole are so ideologically gone,
both with the teachers and the leaderships.
For example, our Association of School Administrators tends to send someone
to testify for any bill that promotes child trans identities.

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I don't think that the schools on the whole are redeemable.
I don't think that you can salvage them. So something that New Hampshire has
that's really, really nice is good school choice as far as we've got fantastic charter schools.
Some of them aren't entirely safe either. They tend not to push this stuff as hard.

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We've got really good mechanisms for homeschooling and online learning.
And that's pretty good, too. And we've got tax credits if you send your kid to a private school.
And the Democrats who've been fighting this like crazy, including my opponent,
say it's awful that many money should be going, including deductions,

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tuition, tax credits, for religious schools.
And our public schools are entirely religious because transgenderism is a religion
with a very specific creed that teaches that a boy's soul, immutable gendered
soul can inhabit a girl's body.
A girl can have a boy's soul, and a boy can have a girl's soul.

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Affirm the soul. They're going to kill themselves, and it's manifested through stereotypes.
And the only way you can know this is through a direct personal revelation through the child.
This is all entirely religious. And I've gone to my school board a couple of
times and called them out on that. And I said, yeah, I'm going to stick around.
You get some mumbling after, maybe some wise remarks.

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Last time I went, one of the school board members started coughing into the
microphone when is speaking, but they won't discuss it with me.
This is a religion. So, yeah, if we're going to make our high schools or public
schools religious with transgenderism, then why not pay for the other schools
that at least have better ideologies than yours?

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Exactly. It really is a religious ideology, and it's become a cult-like sort
of indoctrination and behavior that's coming from these people.
And, you know, that's, I'm glad that you mentioned, you know,
we've got other forms of schooling options.
You see public schools as irredeemable.
I tend to agree the influences are so deep from the top down.

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We got teachers unions and other forms of educational certification.
You know, when a teacher gets out of college, they have to subscribe to these
things in order it to be inclusive and to finding jobs now.
So we're only putting activist teachers in these schools these days.
The other thing that I would do, well, now with the college training you have,

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that's built in. You're right. It's awful.
And the counseling is even more dangerous.
I mean, God forbid you have a kid that needs mental health help,
especially one with autism.
And something I would caution to anyone that's listening to me,
if you have a daughter who's is a misfit or autistic, I would do about anything
to not send her to public schools.

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Sell the house, live in apartments so you can home tutor.
Because once you have a kid that's led down this path, it's awful.
And I have an old friend whose kid was secretly socially transitioned at school,
and he did everything right.
A good friend of mine and a great father.
The other thing I would bring to the Senate is I know the difference.

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I know that transgenderism is nothing but make-believe, and I have a rough idea
of the difference between a man and a woman, and that there's no definition
between a transgender man and a man masquerading as a woman.
I go to these hearings, and people tiptoe around this stuff at the hearings.
That's what I was talking about.

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Well, I love transgender people. I just think people should wait until they're 18.
No one's transgender. And it's ridiculous when I go to these hearings,
and I'm seeing big, Big, strong men,
often in costumes that are pretty kinky, getting up and testifying about why
they need access to the woman's room, or big, strong boys who seem to have narcissistic

(36:37):
tendencies about why they have the right to.
Girls sports and soccer rooms and why, I'm sorry, locker rooms and why they
should be able to play on girls teams and why they're entitled to win their
spots on the trophies. And I won't have any of that.
Well, it sounds like you're bringing sanity into politics.

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And that sounds like a dangerous combination.
Because if there's one thing politics doesn't like right now,
it's sanity that gets in the way of all the word games.
Well, there's nothing that's going to be more dangerous than when I go or my
wife and I go out on the streets to talk to people.
And definitely at these events, I mean, you can expect to be assaulted,

(37:21):
and then the police may or may not help you.
So anything I would do at the statehouse would be nothing compared to that.
Or, you know, if you speak out on this and you're at work, you're going to have
repercussions on the job.
And that's something else I've had to deal with, too. And that's why people are afraid to speak out.
And it's a shame. I mean, when I'm outside, people will tell me,

(37:43):
I agree with you. And they'll say it really softly, right?
Because they don't want anyone else to hear with you. Or maybe they'll say it
louder. And I'll say, hey, you know, you want to make a, on my phone,
you can make a little video.
And the people in New Hampshire will see it on my Twitter. No,
no, no, no. I'm afraid of my job.
And a lot of these people, you know, live free or die, say, a lot of these people are like.

(38:03):
People that wave the Gadsden flag, don't tread on me, and their big Second Amendment.
They have their rallies, and they get together, but they're afraid to speak
on this, and they say they're against tyranny. They're already living in tyranny.
If they're afraid to say that a girl can't be a boy, or they're afraid to speak
out amongst these children being irreversibly harmed.

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And look at the same people that say, oh, look at these brave men in D-Day,
or because we were one of the original 13 colonies.
Look at the brave people, and they'll march around in their revolutionary war
costumes, but they're afraid to speak against this. Yeah, they are.
And that's unfortunate that we're already being guided by social peer influences,

(38:47):
the loss of the comforts of life.
You know, there's something James O'Keefe said recently that if the cost for
the truth for you is anything less than your life,
then that cost is too low because somebody will invariably be able to come in
there, exploit it, and buy you out of the truth.
And so, you know, when it comes to live free or die, if you really mean it,

(39:10):
then, you know, you've got plenty of opportunity right now.
It's funny that in New Hampshire, how that can mean about anything.
And trans rights advocates means that 15-year-old girls should get free testosterone.
That's what it means. And if you object to that, then you're objecting to their personal autonomy.

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You know, most people on the left, the progressive side of this,
they still haven't found that definition for what is a woman.
And, you know, if you want to really mess it up, I would say ask them, what is a man?
Because they're going to be just as like befuddled by a question like that.
You know, I used to when I started, I would have those discussions.

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And one was, and I've got it recorded, that I was talking to a woman who claimed
to be a psychologist that specialized in this.
Not the one I mentioned before for Dartmouth Health. This was another one.
And it was fun. That was the time, the first time I got to meet Prisha Mosley.
So I was hanging out with her at this event, too.

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And this woman went in absolute circles and even went so far about,
okay, so it applies to all humans.
And it's endemic to us. does it apply to other animals like bulls and cows?
She says, we can't really know the internal mental and emotional workings of
a cow. And she was absolutely serious.
Lately, you do not have, I do not have rational conversations with any about

(40:39):
this, unless, as I said, it's the kind of autistic person that's just memorized
things. But they won't answer that question.
What they'll do is, as I said, more and more they're getting aggressive and just saying.
Adopting Antifa tactics. They see me with my signs. They'll do their best to
block me and intimidate me.
They do not want to have this discussion at all. These discussions don't happen.

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That's what I said. When I go to the statehouse and I've testified and I stand
around and there's all the trans right activists and they know that me,
even at the statehouse lobby, they'll try to block me, block my wife.
I've been shoulder checked by an activist there, but they will not discuss,
they will not defend this.
And it's because it's way post-truth. This is a very strict Orthodox religion.

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And it's not that they don't believe these things are truth,
that from this Orthodox religion is what determines truth.
So if you say it's science or it's reason and it contradicts the ideology,
the tenets of this religion, it must be wrong.
And that's why they're so fierce, because this is you're back in the age when

(41:49):
you had a state religion.
And I have no doubt that these people would tie me to a post and start gathering
the wood if they could. The hatred is unbelievable.
Yeah. You know, they have social media influencers saying, you know,
be gay or be trans and do crime.
And, you know, this is what we're supposed to respect. And that's one of the

(42:09):
attractions of this to this whole movement is that it gives you this whole oppress
oppressors things in the strict orthodoxy is for a lot of the people involved in this.
It's just an excuse to go out and intimidate and hurt people.
And you see that especially with the women's rights movement.
I don't know if you saw the videos and the pictures from women's declarations.

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And I think they were out in Portland and they had the audacity to come out
and say that a woman is female.
And these women were beaten and pepper sprayed and robbed and the police didn't
do anything about stopping it.
So for a lot of the people that push this, if you go now more and more when I go out,
like the situation I had on Saturday at the local parade, parade

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this guy a big muscular guy this is
just an excuse to intimidate and hurt people and those
people show up more and more most people are really
in favor of what i'm doing with the people that are pushing
this they're not they're not there to interest in talking to you about what
a man or a woman is well you know the this can of worms like lasts out like
one of those you know exploding worms you know in a pringles can sort of thing

(43:17):
as soon as you start to think about all the directions that they're taking aside
of identifying as, you know, transgender.
Because now we have people who are identifying as animals, identifying as inanimate objects.
So I guess if I wanted to press a trans activist and really cause mind-bending

(43:37):
conversation to unfold, I might ask, well, what is a human?
What is an animal? What is a desk? What's a void? You know, and since people
are out there identifying as these things and just like they can't define what
a woman is because all they have to do is feel that way.
I don't think they're going to be able to really be able to define anything
in the world anymore without contradicting themselves.

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They can't, which is why my point, they just don't do it. And I've been out every weekend.
I've been going to these these parades and it's all been about intimidation
and making fun of it. And some of these people, they enjoy hurting people,
so they're pretty good at it and knowing what they can get away with.
I think it was just about two weeks ago, there was a group, I think it's called

(44:24):
Better Angels, and they like to have conversations on controversial subjects.
So one was just about transgender treatments for minors that they did,
I think, a couple weeks ago. So they had Jamie Reed, the whistleblower, brilliant woman.
And then they had Corinna, who's got the Heterodox podcast in it.

(44:44):
Now, here's the problem, getting someone on the show who's actually going to
defend pediatric sex changes, pediatric medical treatments regarding this.
So they got one person who was super sensitive. And even when Karina made one
point about how, you know, when a woman gets, say, her breast augmentation.

(45:09):
That isn't gender-affirming treatment because she's already a woman.
She doesn't have to affirm she's a woman.
And it was funny they cut off the hostess said that that was a personal attack,
however, on the one person they got to defend it.
My point is they can only get one person to defend it and someone who is really insecure.
That conversation, have you ever tried on your show to get someone who strongly

(45:33):
disagrees with you to defend this stuff?
Not yet. Yeah, and that actually, I was thinking about that really hard yesterday,
how I could bring just that type of person on who wouldn't, you know, decline me on my face,
you know, if I had someone like, you know, Marcy Bowers on or,
you know, who runs the WPath or somebody who really already knows my position,

(45:56):
even though, even if I promise, like, I won't get into a contentious argument with you.
I just want you to explain things logically. I don't even know how that would
happen, but I think that would make for a really good conversation.
Yeah, I've gone to with with all of the trans right rack activists and the Democrats,
of course, I'm visible enough that people tear me down and say I'm unscientific.

(46:18):
And again and again, I'm saying I'll meet you for a debate or even if I even
a private discussion about this.
I mean, at the library, if you don't want it recorded, they will not they will
not talk to me because, as you said, it just doesn't hold up.
They won't debate this ridiculous convoluted religion.
And that goes up to the highest levels, doesn't it? For example,

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the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Endocrine Society refuse to have panels.
They refuse to talk to anyone from Europe.
The American Academy of Pediatrics, they issued a response to the cast review
that was just meaningless.
They both, them and the endocrine society, repeatedly turn down panels or opportunities to discuss this.

(47:09):
The people that push this will not talk. It's true.
I mean, if you want to keep pushing it from their angle, it's in their best
interest not to open their mouth. Because as soon as they do,
you know, everything's going to fall apart.
People are going to see it for what it is. So it's unfortunate.
I hope you're right. I don't share your optimism.
I mean, you brought up animals before, I don't know if I'm, sometimes I think

(47:30):
I'm hilarious, but I'm the only one.
But this transgenderism reminds me of the old joke, Uncle Ned thinks he's a chicken.
He thinks he's a chicken. Why don't you take him to a shrink?
Because we need the eggs.
Now, look at the eggs produced by transgenderism here.
First of all, it's a huge industry. What becomes of these 300 pediatric gender clinics?

(47:52):
And this is, like my local clinic, Dartmouth Health, we're offended that you're
suggesting that it's about the money.
These endocrinologists aren't working for free.
Not to mention the other people doing the work. And it's awful.
Like the young woman that I was just working with, she had a hysterectomy,
her ovaries removed, her breasts removed.

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People are getting paid for this. And Prisha Mosley has talked,
the last time I talked to her about it, she was still paying for her mastectomy.
There's money in this. So are they going to let go of all of this money?
And then you've got this as, when you give people rights, and now this is a great human right,
are all the men who identify as women and

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a lot of the women identify as men too are you going
to ask them to give up the special privilege they have their
civil rights so that's that's gotta that would need to happen too and now you
have the the parents and only the parents with the people on the periphery aunts
uncles teachers counselors who have irreversibly harmed young people are they

(48:56):
going to all of a sudden say whoops they're wrong that's not how cognitive of dissonance works.
And that's how, that's not human nature.
So I think we're in a post-reason, post-logic, post-science group now,
that every truth now comes from this belief that.
So it's where that the science isn't important. It's all based on on feelings.

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There's something I agree with. Corinna Hetford Orts has said repeatedly is
this is a Gnostic religion.
And when you look deeper into the philosophy,
it's it's it's critical theory, which is even your reality is a social construct
by the by the white colonial patriarchy that you can't trust your reason or

(49:44):
your senses. So I don't see this going away.
Yeah, unfortunately, I think you hit on a really big, important subject here
is, you know, money is a big part of this.
And I often think that, you know, it's almost one of the smaller parts in a
sense, because from the World Economic Forum down,
we have organizations who've had the agenda set that they're going to put these

(50:08):
influences into their corporations, into their media, into the schools, et cetera, et cetera.
And so more the money, because they have all the money, they have plenty of money up there.
But the money does serve all of these little, maybe we call them useful idiots
who are actually employing these policies and doing these surgeries.
And they're like, well, why do I want to stop this free meal ticket when all

(50:32):
I got to do is do what they're telling me and it's going to make me a bunch of money.
So their conscience is out for money. But moving up, there's an even bigger agenda.
And I think that doesn't get talked about enough.
Are you familiar with the World Economic Forum's addressing these issues?
I'm not. Okay. Let me ask you this.
We know of the MAPs, the Minor Attracted People.

(50:54):
We know that they're trying by their certain group of trans or queer activists
are trying to legitimize this.
You know, we've had NAMBLA around for a long time, the National Association for...
Man-Boy Love Association. And we also are seeing that a lot of these activists
seem to be, you know, adult activists seem to continuously be tied in one way

(51:18):
or another, seems like child pornography,
sexual assault of a child or minor.
And so what do you think is going on with this connection that people want to
exploit these kids who have these agendas?
Well, first of all, it's kind of funny, one example,
that probably the biggest thing that I get from these aggressive activists when
they talk to me, and even a state rep came by and said this,

(51:42):
but I hear the most is, why are you so obsessed with children's genitals? That's kind of gross.
So it's something that's very much on my mind. And also, I told you that we
had a state rep who was convicted for child pornography.
And I think it was based on a nursery that he was working at.

(52:03):
So yeah, it is prevalent.
And the other factor is I'm going to all these parades and the fests.
And one of the people you probably won't notice if you go to a pride event are
gay people, that it's absolutely taken over by AGPs, men walking around in women's fetish costumes.

(52:26):
And everywhere there's the various animal fetish things and fetishes.
I don't remember that people would identify and describe it to me.
So these fetishes sexualizing children, it's all over.
And I think it's a logical extension of people believing that their sexuality

(52:50):
and their feelings of sexuality,
one, are immutable, they're unchangeable, two, they define who they are.
And lastly, this whole white colonial patriarchy culture is suppressing that,
and that's going to result in suicide. Right.
So if an adult has these urges, they're beyond his control.

(53:13):
That's his innate, inborn sexual expression. And that's why that gets pushed
more and more, why these parades are showing off people's fetishes.
In the Pride Festival, getting on the stage and showing off their kinks.
And in children's books, too. Like if you saw Granddad's Pride was a book that—and

(53:34):
I've talked to my library.
So I think it gets back to that whole Gnostic religion thing,
that this is the important element, that just like kids now are born with their
sexual identities, kids are born with these sexual desires.
So then they assume that because it's inborn, then even a three- or a four-year-old
already has some sort of innate sexual desire.

(53:57):
They're born one way or the other, and it's their job to liberate them.
So there should be no barriers. Absolutely. This goes back to Alfred Kinsey
and John Money and experiments that they did even on infants trying to generate
orgasms and measuring that.

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And this whole idea that kids should not have innocence, that they're living
in a delusion, that they need to be demystified of that, disillusioned of that.
And, and yet, you know, there's no, you know, when you're a child,
before you have puberty, there's no sexual desire.
Like that's the thing that changes at puberty. You know, and it's funny,
and you've done as good a job, a better job than anyone.

(54:42):
It got that about, you know, let's, let's leave the kids at all.
Kids should be able to enjoy childhood without being sexualized.
But the people pushing this, and I don't know if you've had this response,
too, they don't believe that.
They'll say, you know, where do gay kids come from?
And when I'm talking about a book like, what is it called, Red,

(55:03):
the crayon story, that there's this red crayon that's born in a blue wrapper.
And the whole point of this is this kid is born with some sort of a sexual identity
and sexual desire that it doesn't fit. it. So they really believe that people
pushing this don't believe that they believe that kids are born with a certain sexual desire.
Yeah. And that's, that's a whole lot of projecting.

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It sounds like a whole lot of people taking their own personal experiences and
just blanketing the rest of society with their unfortunate mental paradigm.
But, you know, kids can't, you know, make educated, informed decisions about
their sexual gender or their sexual identity, their their sexual orientation.

(55:46):
You know, perhaps with the sexual orientation, especially with,
you know, more and more content, they can say, you know, they might be able
to discern that they're more inclined towards, you know, girl stuff or whatever.
But, you know, when it comes to like being sexually attracted to a man or a
woman or thinking you're transgender, a lot of this stuff is resolved just by

(56:07):
going through puberty and then maturing.
And then you find like, oh, you know, You know, you have a lot of,
you know, these tomboy types, you know, and you're hearing them now, full grown adult women.
And they're like, yeah, when I was a young girl, I thought I was a boy.
I liked hanging out with boys. But, you know, as I got older,
you know, I just found out, you know, maybe I was just a little rough and tumble,

(56:29):
but, oh, I got married to a man and I had kids and I had these influences around me.
I would have identified as trans because of all the propaganda.
Two thoughts about what you just said about those concerns.
First of all, these adults are obsessed with liberating these kids because they
think that they're born with these sexual urges and with these sexual identities that everyone has one.

(56:57):
And they just think it makes them wonderful to liberate them.
And it's so easy to do. It's a lot easier to, if you're a teacher and you've
got a safe space sticker on your door,
it's a lot easier to teach a girl that she's a boy, especially with your media,
the help of the media, than it is to teach fractions or percents.

(57:20):
So it's just a real heady thing, and you're undermining the parents,
too, and that's just a trip for the narcissist. The other thing is,
what you're going back to is reason.
That was something I get again and again. It comes through on my videos.
These kids know, they just know it's an, it's absolutely Gnostic.
They know themselves and it's an infallible personal revelation.

(57:45):
They believe this very, very strongly.
Yeah. Problem is, especially with these teachers nowadays who go into the classrooms,
they've not only been indoctrinated, they themselves in many cases that have,
you know, been brought to light are trans or somewhere on the spectrum,
or they are, you know, LGBTQIA activists themselves.

(58:06):
And you'll see them get like this real thrill when the kids start to call them
by their, you know, pronouns or when, you know, the kids start to like emulate this queer stuff.
And it seems like it's becoming like a therapy session for teachers who should
be holding stable data and they should be educating.
They should, you know, have the common sense and be guiding the group.

(58:27):
But now we got kids guiding the show and full grown adults masquerading as teachers
who are actually kids inside. That's something I have to be very, very cautious about.
As a teacher, I want to make sure that, and I tell the kids this,
you know, this is the way I have to tell it, even if we disagree or I've got
to do something about your behavior.
But God forbid I'm that nasty teacher that 30 years from now you're telling

(58:51):
stories about, you know.
I want you to know whatever our disagreements are, I really respect you.
I care about you, and I have the good, I want a good option.
But the other opposite from just the nasty teachers are the teachers that,
well, groom the children.
And that is, they really, really want to be loved by the teachers.

(59:12):
They want to be their teachers' best buddies.
And one great way to do it, one shortcut, especially if these kids are watching
these videos and they're experimenting, is to be the first teacher to,
or among the first people to affirm the kid,
I know you're a boy, I'm going to use your pronouns.
You know, your parents don't understand you, I do. Now, for the teacher,

(59:35):
that's all a heady thing.
And it's also just a trip for a lot of people to undermine the parents,
undermine that authority.
And schools have always had these people, you know, the cool teachers.
And sometimes the cool teachers are always a bit too cool. And that's something
I had to deal with for years.

(59:56):
You have two students, teachers that cross the line and even have sexual affairs with children.
Or in teachers that have, they want to be the best buddies.
And the kid, they would have parties at the teacher's houses.
So we're seeing as an extension of that, except this time around,
the state's supporting it entirely.

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Yeah, and the state's supporting it and the stakes are higher,
too, because it's not just going over your teacher's house and smoking weed
with them anymore. more.
It's now hanging out with somebody that's going to help you secretly get your
puberty blockers, your hormone replacement therapies, and show you the ropes
to how you're going to find your way into transitioning,

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getting on Grindr, and of course, sometimes engaging in the sexual.
Activity with adults too. I've got just a minute left.
So if there's anything you want to say about that and any background or any
contact information for how people can reach you, please share that.
Twitter, Sidewalk Steve, easy enough to find.

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If you want to donate to my Senate campaign, it's Stephen, S-T-E-P-H-E-N, number 4NH.com.
And the biggest mistake that people make regarding communicating and talking
about this is just not communicating, communicating telling me that it's waiting
for the pendulum pendulum to swing the pendulum doesn't always swing.

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It doesn't swim back in China or North Korea, but,
Or that when I talk to Christians, well, this is all in God's hands.
Yeah, what did God put you on earth for?
That it's people speaking out. And it is frightening. Public speaking is one
of the toughest things that you'll do.
And go to places where it's relatively safe. You go to a public meeting.

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You go to your Board of Selectmen, your city council school board.
You've got two or three minutes to speak.
And it is hard. This isn't going to stop by itself. solve. It needs people who care.
And anyone who's listening to us now cares. Please, please, please speak up.
Absolutely. That's a great message. We can't do it on our own.
You know, just a couple of talking heads on your phone or wherever you're watching

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this or listening to this isn't going to do it.
We need everybody in their communities playing an active role in real life for
people around them to see society's not standing for this.
So thank you so much, Stephen, for being here. We had it. That was an amazing conversation.
I hope you come back. And for our listeners, if you want to inquire anything
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