Episode 29: A Parent's Fight Against Gender Ideology with January Littlejohn

Join host Robert Wallace in this eye-opening episode where we delve into the journey of January Littlejohn, a senior fellow at the Do No Harm organization. January is a licensed mental health counselor and a fervent parental rights advocate. She shares her personal story of navigating the complex terrain of gender ideology in schools, especially during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Listen as January recounts the struggles she faced when her daughter, influenced by her peer group, began to question her gender identity. The conversation highlights the alarming practices within schools, such as secret meetings and social transition plans that exclude parental involvement.

January discusses the legal battles she and her family have faced, including filing a federal lawsuit against the school district for violating parental rights. She also sheds light on the broader implications of these practices, the role of activist organizations, and the urgent need for parents to be vigilant and proactive in protecting their children's mental and physical well-being.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone concerned about the influence of gender ideology on children and the erosion of parental rights. Discover how you can be part of the solution and support organizations like Do No Harm and GaYS Against Groomers in their mission to safeguard our children.

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Welcome to the Dark Side of the Rainbow. This is your host, Robert Wallace,
and this is a Gaze Against Groomers production.
Today we have on the show January Littlejohn, and January is a senior fellow
at the Do No Harm organization.
She's a parental rights advocate and a licensed mental health counselor. How you doing, January?

(00:25):
I'm great. Thank you so much for having me on, Robert. Well, thanks for being here.
So many are familiar with your story because you've been able to get the message out so well.
For those who don't know how you got into this fight, could you give us some
background as to where you started? Sure.

(00:47):
So our journey through this nightmare really began in 2020.
It was the height of COVID, and our daughter was 13 at the time.
She has diagnosed ADHD, but she's also gifted.
And so we were navigating the lockdowns like all parents were at that time,

(01:09):
and our daughter was was experiencing symptoms of withdrawal,
some depression, the lockdown and the lack of structure, not being in school.
It was really, really hard on kids, but especially kids with ADHD who really
thrive in consistency and structure.
So in the spring of 2020, our daughter came to us and told us she no longer felt like a girl.

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And she had been in a friend group in her middle school who initially we were
very excited about because of our daughter's quirkiness and the interest that she had.
It's hard for her to make and maintain friendships.
So initially we were really excited that she seemed to found a group that she
could play D&D with and just be herself with the interest that she had.

(01:55):
But then I quickly started to see some red flags and three of her friends in
this friend group had started identifying as some form of transgender within
a six-month time period.
So this would have been in the seventh grade.
And so we were really taken aback when our daughter made that announcement.
She had experienced no symptoms of distress over her sex and childhood.

(02:20):
And we were really struggling to understand and navigate this with her in the midst of the pandemic.
And during that time period, so this was 2020, this was before Abigail Schreier's
book had come out, Irreversible Damage.
And anytime a parent Googled this issue, it was all affirmation.
There was a lot of talk about suicide and the threats of suicide if you don't affirm a child.

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And as a therapist, I had been trained very limitedly in gender dysphoria.
But at the time in the late 90s and early 2000s, it was so rare that very little
was even spoken about. out.
And so most clinicians that I knew had never had a client that was experiencing

(03:06):
distress over their sex or identifying as a transsexual,
which was, you know, an older term used to describe the phenomenon that people
would sometimes see. It was mostly males.
It started in early childhood, but that is not what we're seeing now.
So to make a very long story short, when school started, I had reached out to

(03:28):
a teacher via email like I had
done so many times before because I really saw the school as a partner.
I spent the majority of my time volunteering in my children's schools and I
knew most of the teachers.
And I told this teacher that my daughter was requesting to go by a new name
and pronouns, that we were not using them at home, that I thought this would come up at school.

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So I kind of wanted to give her a heads up that we had sought professional counseling
to help my husband and I, and that
I felt like her confusion was a direct relationship to her friend group.
Well, it turned out this teacher was the LGBTQ advocate on campus.
And so I didn't hear anything back for several weeks.

(04:13):
And my daughter got into the call and said, Mom, I had a meeting today at school,
and they asked me which restroom I wanted to use.
I had very naively assumed that this would be treated as a nickname.
And multiple weeks went back and forth because when I reached out to the guidance
counselor that same day, and again, parents were not allowed on campus.

(04:36):
Otherwise, I would have been in the office then and there demanding to know what was going on.
But I was called back immediately with the guidance counselor and the assistant principal.
And they told me they could not give me any information about the meeting they
had with my child, that my child was now protected by a non-discrimination law.
And this was very confusing to me as a parent because my daughter has a 504

(05:00):
plan on file for her ADHD, meaning that's an accommodation plan,
but I know that they can't execute without my signature.
So I was really struggling to understand how they could even have a meeting
with my child about something as important as which restroom she wants to use.
I mean, that's a that's a safety issue.

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And my only recourse was to go to the assistant superintendent, which I did.
And about seven weeks later, we were finally given an in-person meeting with
the middle school principal where we saw for the first time the transgender
support plan they had created with our daughter.

(05:41):
Wow so you send
your kid to school you trust them to look out
for the child's best interest and
to keep the lines of communication open with you work with you as a partner
in this situation and instead what you're experiencing is essentially this betrayal

(06:03):
of your trust where they're turning against you and essentially treating you guilty and.
You know, before any chance of showing yourself innocent in this whole kind of accusation.
And it's a passive, aggressive, almost accusation that you won't accept your

(06:23):
child the way they are. So we have to do this secretly.
Well, and Robert, anybody can look up these transition plans online.
They're from an organization called Genderstrom.
And when we saw the plan, it wasn't just about names and pronouns.
They ask the child which locker room and restroom they prefer to use and which

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sex they prefer to room with on overnight field trips.
And then they go so far as to ask the child, how should we refer to you when
speaking to your parents?
And that's to effectively deceive parents that these social transitions have ever even occurred.
And that was extremely alarming to us, because when you look at this plan,

(07:07):
the only question that determined whether or not my husband and I would be included
in this critical transition plan was all your parents supported.
That is such a subjective term. And there were three adults in a closed door
room with my 13 year old daughter.

(07:27):
Think about that power differential. It was the guidance counselor,
the social worker I had never met, and the assistant principal.
That is a huge power differential to sit a child down and ask her questions
that could absolutely impact her safety without the person there that is charged
with her care, which is her parent.

(07:50):
And so we were just shocked that this had happened.
I was irate because by this time, our daughter's mental health had spiraled.
She was requesting not just names and pronouns. She was asking for breast binders.
She was talking very cavalierly about, you know, euphemisms like top surgery,

(08:12):
which, as you know, is a double mastectomy.
And we continued to ask for legal justification that they were using to meet with our child.
And this went on for several weeks. And we were finally shown the Leon County
LGBTQ guide, which has now been rescinded, thankfully.
But these guides, Robert, they were all over Florida.

(08:36):
And in fact, you can find them in schools all over the nation.
But in this 38-page guide, it explicitly said, do not out a child to their parents
because it could make them homeless or cause abuse. use.
So they were presuming all parents to be a danger to their child,

(08:58):
not thinking about what's best for this child, because you and I both know the
vast majority of these kids experiencing distress over their sex have significant
co-occurring mental health issues.
And, you know, this was all done under the guise of anti-bullying and suicide
prevention, and then possibly abuse.
There was not one question in that plan about if my daughter was scared to be

(09:24):
at home, if there was any kind of abuse that had ever happened,
nor was there a question asking her if she was experiencing any kind of suicidal ideation.
Wow. So they're going right from
the get-go to create that break in that communication between you guys.
And this is, of course, happening all across the country.

(09:47):
We talk to people all the time who this is happening to.
There's people out there who still don't know or believe this is happening,
which is kind of outrageous, if you ask me, because blood of people speaking out.
And, of course, there's many more who aren't speaking out.
So this is important that you're getting this message out.

(10:07):
So what was your next action after your daughter told you that she had been
in this closed-door meeting with these three instructors, social worker,
guidance counselor, and the assistant principal?
Well, I really didn't know what to do. We did a deep dive into this issue.
You know, I'm very good at research. So I quickly realized what happened to

(10:31):
our family was not an isolated case, that these diets had been implemented in
schools all over Florida from about the time of 2016.
And as I slowly started to realize, and I looked into the research of what this
could mean, because social transition is not a benign intervention.

(10:52):
It is a psychotherapeutic intervention. It's the first step toward medical intervention.
So I was trying to get the whole picture of, okay, well, what does this mean
for my child if she continues down this pathway?
And I was just horrified to learn that they were chemically castrating these children.

(11:13):
Anyone who knows anything about childhood and adolescent brain development fully
understands their brains are not fully developed and that they do not have the
ability to weigh these kind of irreversible decisions in a manner where they
can make an informed consent decision.
Yet this is all based on self-ID.

(11:34):
So activists will say, well, it's the parents making the choice.
But you can hear it straight from the doctor's mouth that they follow the child's lead.
Where else in medicine do we follow a child's lead toward irreversible medical interventions?
And the truth of these interventions have been out for a while now.

(11:56):
You know, the CAST report, the WPATH files, European countries left and right
are doing a complete detour from these medical interventions because the risks
far outweigh the benefit.
That we're seeing the devastating consequences of putting a child on puberty
blockers in terms of bone density issues.

(12:17):
They're even thinking it could impact IQ.
There's been some brain swelling and there's so many other consequences that
we don't even know about yet.
They have been experimenting on these children in real time.
And then you look at the effects of cross-sex hormones hormones.
And there's so much that we don't know about that. And even the negative side

(12:39):
effects that we do know, like vaginal atrophy and increased risk of heart disease
and stroke and male pattern baldness.
I mean, these are things that children are incapable of knowing how they're
going to feel in 10, 20, 30 years.
And then you add to that that they're doing surgical interventions on these girls.

(13:00):
The youngest patient to undergo a double mastectomy in the name of gender identity
in this country is just 12 years old.
And I don't even think we've seen the tip of the iceberg yet from the detransitioners
and the lawsuits that are going to be coming.
Yeah, there is going to be a tidal wave, an avalanche of those once,

(13:23):
you know, this generation begins to wake up as they kind of age out of this
mentality that they're in.
And, you know, I just hope we have the support there.
These people who were perpetrating this are not somehow indemnified or protected
from these sorts of suits because they are definitely negligible. This is child abuse.

(13:47):
Absolutely. It is. And the schools are complicit, Robert.
And we, you know, my husband and I, it was never our intention to hire lawyers
and file a federal lawsuit, which we did end up doing.
But it was a year and a month later that we did that because we tried very hard
to resolve this issue with the school district.
I was very naive because I don't think I told you yet, but I was volunteer of

(14:11):
the year at this middle school.
They knew me as a parent. I was in there They're weekly devoting my time and
energy to helping teachers and to helping the school.
And so I really thought if I bring the evidence to them, I brought articles from Segem.
I brought articles from Fourth Wave Now.
You know, GenSpec didn't even exist. You guys didn't exist yet.

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But I brought them Abigail Shire's book.
I wanted them to see the damage that they were actually causing,
because I truly believed at the time that they thought they were doing good.
They thought this was what was in the best interest.
And frankly, the activist organization that had the seeds and placed these guides
into the schools made the schools believe that this was law.

(14:59):
They were doing all kinds of.
Misleading information in these guides about FERPA, claiming children have a
privacy right from their parents, which they do not. That is not what FERPA is.
And so I naively thought that if I show them the truth, that that will make a difference.

(15:19):
And clearly, that's not what happened.
And so we did end up filing one of the first federal lawsuits in the country on this issue. you.
And I just, I thought going public with our story, number one,
I couldn't live with myself,
if we didn't warn other parents, because what really happens to the families,
and I speak with families all over the country, this creates a huge wedge in

(15:45):
the parent-child relationship.
And for many of these kids, if their parents don't know, like,
you know, we did know what was going on, their child is completely living a double life.
And I was really, really concerned that that kind of pressure on a child would
really drive them to suicide.
And that's exactly what happened to a 12-year-old girl in Clay County in Florida.

(16:10):
Several months after we filed our federal lawsuit, I learned that a 12-year-old
little girl attempted to hang herself in the restroom at her school.
And it turned out she had been meeting with a guidance counselor for months
over gender issues and her parents were never made aware.

(16:31):
That should never happen. Parents know and love their children more than anyone in the world.
And it's our responsibility to ensure that the child is safe and that their
mental and physical needs are taken care of.
Absolutely, it is. Well.
When you're going through the adolescent period, your formative years,

(16:53):
there's already enough that throw you into a tantrum tantrum around every corner. You're frustrated.
You don't get your way here. You're frustrated. You don't get your way there.
But when you start adding this little army behind the child who's telling them,
you have the right to transition or you need to stand up for your right or push

(17:16):
back and they see how powerless they are.
These people back at the school are only feeling that frustration and pushing them closer to the edge.
Yeah. I mean, there were times that I felt like we were in the twilight zone.
Like everybody was cheering our daughter along this path of self-harm,
this medically sanctioned self-harm.

(17:37):
And we were the only ones that cared about her future and what all this could really mean for her.
It just, it was so disorienting to witness that. I cannot express that to you.
And it was very clear from conversations with our daughter that she did not
understand what pop surgery was or even what a breast binder to do.

(18:02):
And so we started to really parent her in a way that we would parent any other
issue because you're right.
Adolescence is a time filled with anxiety, confusion, identity crisis.
But the difference is children were never given this choice before to cut off their body parts.

(18:23):
They were never given a choice or even told that the only way to solve this
angst you're experiencing is you need to take puberty blockers,
hormones, and physically irreversibly change your body in order to accept yourself.
That is not a message we should be sending our children in any way, shape, or form.

(18:43):
That's absolutely correct. Before I get on to getting into some of the details
of your federal lawsuit,
what kind of, we're talking about chemical castration and other things,
were you having this in Florida happening in the schools?
How far were they actually getting with these kids before parents found out

(19:05):
and were able to intervene?
You know, that's a great question. Thankfully, unlike in other states,
Florida, the age of majority is and was 18.
So even back in 2020, to my knowledge, kids were not able to access hormones
without frontal consent.
If that was happening, I was not aware of it. But we did have Planned Parenthood,

(19:27):
you know, dosing it out like candy to anyone over 18 that would go into their clinic.
And so we also have several pediatric gender clinics here in Florida.
And so with parent consent, they were still medically transitioning these children.
And, you know, I hate even using the word transition because no child or person

(19:51):
can transition. You cannot change your sex.
At the most, you're mimicking characteristics of the opposite sex.
And so I think that it is, I don't know another word than abuse to lie to a
child and make them believe that taking these drugs,
changing your outward appearance is somehow going to make you the opposite sex.

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And they truly believe that they are being taught sex is a spectrum.
It's so superficial. It's like, hey, let's put this big long nose on you and
big flappity ears and we'll call you an elephant it's like you know halloween
you know it's a costume of sorts these types of adjustments and yeah that's really sad you know.

(20:35):
Let me go into your lawsuit. So what charges did you file against the school
and how far did you get with that?
So it was for parental rights violations.
And, you know, you can find the lawsuit online. I won't get into all the legal ease of it.
But we filed the lawsuit in October of 2021.

(20:58):
A federal judge dismissed our lawsuit in December of 2022. And we are now in
the appeals process to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.
So we are awaiting their decision.
And would the effects of the outcome of the suit, I would guess,
would change laws and the president or everybody else in the future?

(21:22):
Yeah, I mean, there's several cases around the country right now.
And unfortunately, many of them are not going forward to trial yet.
So the short answer is yes, if we eventually win, then it would set a precedent.
There are state laws now, like the one in Florida called the Parental Rights

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in Education Law, that is supposed to prevent these social transitions from occurring.
But I hear on the ground all the time, And even teachers will flat out say it
on social media, that they are still unofficially affirming children and their
trans identification so that they, quote unquote, feel seen.

(22:07):
You know, when you think about all of the symptoms, generally those subject
to the trans ideology are already subject to, for instance,
there's often an underlying somewhere on the autism spectrum.
Spectrum, there's also, you know, sometimes depression, sometimes trauma,
sometimes, you know, this, that, and the other.

(22:29):
And then we have like the issue of multiple personalities.
And if a person didn't already kind of have like that split mind,
once you start indoctrinating a kid with, hey, you'll be this way when you're
at school, you'll be that way when you're at home, they will after.
Well, and that's exactly right, Robert, because what's happening is through

(22:52):
the teaching of gender ideology, these lies.
They are creating confusion in children that otherwise would not have been confused.
This explosion in numbers is not happening organic.
These children aren't born with gender dysphoria. No child is born in the wrong body.
And it's really destabilizing their identities.

(23:14):
And in my opinion, it's really opening the door for true sexual predator grooming
Because when you normalize the idea that it is okay to keep secrets from your
parents, and for my own daughter...
What the school did is it sent a clear message to her that our parental authority
was no longer wanted or needed and that she needed to be protected from us, not by us.

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And we're already seeing cases where schools have socially transitioned a child,
like in the case of Sage in Virginia.
And that child was groomed online and sex trafficked and not given back to her
grandparents for a number of months, I believe well over a year,
because she was identifying as a boy, and her grandmother did not affirm her in a male identity.

(24:04):
She knew that her granddaughter had been sexual traumatized and that there were
other issues that needed to be addressed.
And so you're exactly right. The vast majority of these girls have an underlying
issue that is truly the root of their distress.
And my daughter and so many of these other kids,

(24:25):
kids they need the gift of time they need
to be told the truth in a compassionate and loving
manner and they need time to go through puberty for their brains to develop
more and the vast majority of them will come out of this just like the studies
are showing and that is exactly what happened with my daughter I now help parents

(24:45):
all over our nation and I get calls at least once a month or an email to say,
hey, just wanted you to know our daughter's completely out of the confusion.
And unfortunately, a lot of these kids, including my daughter,
feel a great deal of embarrassment.
They feel shamed. My daughter has some righteous anger over what the school did.

(25:07):
You know, they're the adults in the room. They should have known better.
This was not my daughter's fault.
They put her in an impossible position as a 13-year-old child who was emotionally only 11 years old.
She should have never had the burden of going through that support plan without
having her parents there to protect her.

(25:29):
Exactly. It's so enraging to think of how they are manipulating and taking advantage
of these minds that are, you know, only halfway to the full development of their mind, of their brain.
If that is, you know, at 25 years old, you know, they have no way to give informed
consent for this thing because it can't really happen.

(25:53):
You know, they don't have the capacity to process what they're doing.
And so yeah you
know these teachers these instructors and whatever they
are so liable for that well and robert i
don't believe the vast majority of teachers or even some of the guidance counselors
are on board with this they have been brainwashed to believe these lies that

(26:15):
we have to protect these students if they're born this way that is just not
true and there's so much conflation with trans identification and being gay.
And that is such an important point, because I think that one of the reasons
why a lot of the trans activists are like these young women who are like rabid

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about this and want to protect these kids,
because a woman's intuition,
like we have a deep internal sense to protect children.
And this is what they're being told is protecting these kids.
Whereas if they really looked at the evidence and what the evidence shows I
think they would be horrified to learn that they're actually harming these kids.

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The truth is the vast majority of these girls like my daughter have an internal
deep sense of hatred and when you affirm that child's trans identity you are
affirming that hatred that something is wrong with that child's body.
And the only way to fix it is to become someone new.
I'll never forget reading a detransitioner's testimony.

(27:24):
And she said it was like trying to kill herself without pulling the trigger of the gun.
She really was trying to kill the little girl inside of her.
And that is heartbreaking.
A lot of these girls, one of the things that I I noticed, not as my daughter's
mom, but as a clinician, is a lot of the patterns were very similar to eating disorders.

(27:49):
The self-hatred, the body disassociation,
a lot of these girls are very disassociated from their sex bodies.
And that is just, that is heartbreaking that we are encouraging this and celebrating this.
You see double mastectomies now normalized in all sorts of ways.
And that is a horrible message to be sending young girls.

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Yeah, it is. And the effects of that have untold consequences that go into every
other area of their life and they can follow them for great portions of their life.
And, you know, I do recognize that, you know, most every counselor is in it
for the right reason because they want to help people.
I guess, you know, the way I'm thinking of it though is,

(28:36):
you know, there's a a form of negligence here
because you know if we just say i'm
just doing my job you know we know
the whole you know nazi thing oh i was just doing my job i
was just doing my job and it's you know when we go to a
professional a mental health professional or they're
guiding us or they're guiding the children without our permission there is i

(28:59):
believe an extra level of responsibility that they have to make sure that they
understand what they're doing and why they're doing it and to redress any doubts
or questions that they have.
And, you know, like I said, you know, it's, you know, maybe at worst it's negligence
coming from them, you know, as opposed to like some nefarious attempt to hurt children.

(29:22):
I don't think that any of them are out to really hurt children like that.
But at the same time, the more you know about the mind and the more,
you know, about psychology and counseling, you know, the more this should ring
a bell. It's like, wait a second, there's something wrong here.
Yeah, you're exactly right. It is negligent because one of the first things
that I, that I realized about this whole affirmation only thing.

(29:47):
We don't do that in any other circumstance in the mental health field.
We don't affirm clients that have delusions. We don't affirm children with body
image issues and their distorted views of their body.
That should have been a red flag the moment clinicians were starting to be trained in this way.
Because if you're going to a therapist and you're only being affirmed,

(30:09):
what is the point of therapy.
They are not doing their job.
And what these kids really need is exploratory therapy to get to the root of
their distress and to help them resolve and work through that confusion and
reintegrate their identity with their sex body.
Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, that comes to, you know, questioning and helping

(30:35):
them self-discover these answers instead of saying, oh, you've reached the end
of the road of that thought, that train of thought.
Let's take that to the next level now.
Let's graduate you out of that instead of like, let's deconstruct this and really
think through how we got to this place.
Yeah, and that's exactly what good therapists are doing with these kids now.

(30:57):
They are not focused on the gender issue.
They are focused on the co-occurring issues. And oftentimes,
once you resolve that root distress, the trans identity falls away because it's no longer needed.
And that should be the goal.
Yeah. Why would we want to place children on a pathway that will destroy their

(31:19):
body and make them a lifelong medical patient?
Exactly. They're in distress. You need to take them out of distress.
They're suffering with a body dysmorphia, gender dysphoria.
And, you know, those are mental health conditions. And if, you know,
somebody had any other kind of condition, it wouldn't go and just cement it

(31:40):
into their personality as a solution.
So, I like what you're saying, how we need to handle this with compassion and
love, and that is so vital.
And I think that is what this whole thing with the schools is not calculating,
is that most parents want to handle their children with compassion and love

(32:04):
when they're genuinely going through the situation. I don't want to throw them out.
I don't want to kill them. But that is right where they go as a justification
for essentially stripping your rights away as a parent to protect and raise your child.
Well, that's exactly right, which is why it's so egregious that there are laws

(32:24):
like in California now where they not only are a sanctuary state,
so a parent could take their child and there's nothing that the other parent
that's trying to protect them from medical interventions could do.
But now they're trying to get the governor to sign a law that would ban teachers

(32:45):
from informing parents if their child is experiencing distress over their sex.
We have instances in these states where children are being removed from families
by CPS because they want to protect them from medical harm.
This is crazy. This should not be happening.

(33:05):
And I think that the vast majority of parents who have gone along with this
did so because of the lies that they were told by these activist doctors.
You know, a lot of times parents are getting the blame for this.
And I do think a very, very small majority.
And we see the videos on social media of a parent actually grooming their own

(33:27):
child into these trans identities.
So, yes, that that can happen. But I think that's very rare.
I think oftentimes it's parents that are concerned, the pediatrician or the
therapist says you need to take them to this clinic, and we're conditioned to trust doctors.
We look to them to be the experts of medical situations.

(33:51):
And then often, just like in the case of Chloe Cole, they are fast-tracked down
a path of medicalization.
You know, in the last few years, one of the biggest things you hear is,
you know, people mocking people who do their own research.
And there is a responsibility on all of us.
You know, if you go to the grocery store and you look at the ingredients on

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your food, the FDA, let them put that on the shelf.
It doesn't mean what's in there is good for you. And if you don't do your own
thinking, you're not making decisions which, you know, would be best for you.
And in the same way, when it comes to doctors and authorities and,
you know, these official experts, they can be wrong.

(34:36):
They can be very wrong. And, you know, people need to have the confidence in
themselves to say, I don't have a doctorate or a PhD, but I don't agree with that.
And that's okay. I have the right not to agree.
Well, there should have been a really huge red flag for people.
When you realize there's no differential diagnosis occurring.

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If a child says they're trans, they are trans.
That is not how medicine works.
And so what that has done is falsely made people believe that there's some kind
of biological component to the condition that these children have.
They did such a beautiful job of normalizing this idea of a trans child.

(35:24):
And you saw it happening right after 2015.
There were all these documentaries, like, what is it like to have a trans child?
Like, as if this child is like some special unicorn.
They weren't even really talking about it being a mental health issue anymore.
It was like, well, this child, you know, they're They're actually a girl and a boy body.
And this is how you treat it.

(35:47):
No, there was like no critical thinking skills being applied to this situation whatsoever.
But that was the first thing that I noticed is.
Anytime you go to a doctor, they are supposed to do differential diagnosis.
Like it could be this or it could be that. We need to rule out this.
None of that was happening. This was all based on the child's self-identification of transgender.

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And then you throw in gender ideology where they can be like non-binary and
gender fluid and it can change.
This whole ideology is a house of cards and it cannot fall soon enough.
And unfortunately, it's going to be vulnerable children and adults that are
paying the significant price for all of this.

(36:36):
Exactly. They're going to get older. These kids, they're going to look back.
They're going to feel completely wrecked inside for what they've done to their
family and said to them what they've done to themselves, what they're living
through, how they fought for it.
And how wrong they now realize they were and how right so many of their caring,
loving guides in life were.

(36:59):
Self-diagnosis, you know, people, oh, I got this condition, I got that condition, you know.
On one hand, I think we should be able to take stock of where we're at and get
an idea of where we're at.
You know, it goes back to like, you know, have some
critical thinking into your situation you know

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on the other hand when it comes to taking actions on things consulting with
trusted professionals makes sense and that should be considered if they're going
and getting that far only to be told like what we're talking about well if you
think you're trans and you're trans.

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Dangerous is this? Well, and they've compared it to diabetes,
Robert. You know, the trans activist doctors will say, well,
you wouldn't withhold insulin from a diabetic.
Well, we have an objective way to measure if a child has diabetes.
There is no test that says, yes, this child was born in the wrong body.
There is no test. The test is a feeling that the child says.

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And we know Still, feelings change rapidly and often when it comes to children
and their cognitive development.
And this is why what is happening in schools is so critically important.
You hear the school-to-clinic pipeline, and there's actually a new gender toolkit
out for parents right now in schools.
You can get it at gendertoolkit.com. It's by a group called Restore Childhood, and it's fantastic.

(38:30):
And it's just the facts. We need to take the politics out of this issue,
and it needs to be driven by science and evidence.
There is way too much at stake when it comes to the physical and mental health
of these children, and these doctors know what they are doing.
I'm sure you've seen the clip of Dr. Marcy Bowers, former president of WPATH,

(38:53):
who said, who knew these children that have been placed on puberty blockers
will never have an orgasm.
They are destroying the sexual functioning of these children.
I know a parent of a 19-year-old girl who has had to get a permanent catheter
because of the effects of testosterone.

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What kind of normal relationship can she now have?
They are stealing normal functioning futures from these children.
Yeah, they are. And I think going back to the whole negligence of certain doctors and what have you.

(39:36):
These are the types, the WPATH, the people that
your everyday physician or counselor
is looking towards for the state-of-the-art research
who are omitting important
information and creating this domino effect
down the line when it comes to the queer

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ideologies we have the lgbtqqiaa plus
that's the queer and questioning intersex allies
and asexuals be on
the t if you're wondering and there's somewhere between 60 and
some say 80 different varietals of queerisms
and we've had certain pseudo trans

(40:19):
activists people who are there's one in
particular and i forget his name jeffrey star i think it is
and he's mark no no
i'm thinking of a different one yeah not the one makeup artist yeah okay yeah
and he's he's gone on to say look these people are just making up queer identities

(40:40):
at this point it's absolutely ridiculous now jeffrey marsh is the one that says says,
disconnect from your family. I'll be your new family.
This other one, he is trans in his way, but he's also standing for common sense from his post.
And, you know, so when we hear these kids talking, I'm a Z-zer or I'm toaster,

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toast yourself, learn my pronouns, use my pronouns, you bigot.
This is, it reminds me of that South Park episode. There
was one in particular where everybody is like oh
i'm a dolphin and then you know stands that
or whoever goes and then gets like an actual like fin put on
his back you know and then you know when the boys is like i'm a you know six

(41:23):
foot tall you know black basketball player and then they like oh they break
his legs and they make him tall and then change his skin color and do all this
stuff and you know we're leading from transgender it's kind of starting to overlap with.
Know trans species or transhumanism i
mean just look at for instance drag queen

(41:45):
story hour it's like nowadays you're lucky if you get a drag queen what you
get nowadays is drag monsters people dress like lucifer or whatever and this
is drag and it's all just a costume it's never for children robert that was
always adult entertainment i do not know how we got here You know,
James Lindsay obviously does an amazing job in his book with Logan Lansing,

(42:09):
Queering of the American Child, explains this, I think, much better than I could.
But it's an intentional targeting of children. All those queer identities that
you mentioned, they all have their own colors and flags marketed directly to children.
You see the posters in these schools and you know who love flags and colors?
Kids do, especially kids like my daughter that was just searching for a place

(42:33):
of acceptance and a makeshift identity that she could grab onto.
They are intentionally targeting children.
There is no reason why an adult man dressed in drag should be sexually dancing
in front of children or even reading to them. It's unnecessary.

(42:54):
But now people are being gaslit that say that that should not be happening.
I mean, it's just completely unbelievable.
It used to be non-controversial to want to safeguard the innocence of children.
That is why I'm so grateful for the work that you all are doing because you're
bringing a level of sanity back to our culture.

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That should never be normalized where we are corrupting the innocence of a child. That is not okay.
Absolutely. And it's great as an organization like Gays Against Groomers to
stand shoulder to shoulder with people like you and do no harm because it takes all of us.

(43:39):
And it's just so sad that it has to be said.
But a man dressed as a woman, A, is confusing for kids.
They exist in the wild. Some people as adults live their life that way.
But when we get into the entertainment spectrum where you
have a man dressing up as a campy woman
behaving as a sexual clown for

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the entertainment of the gay community at a
gay nightclub showing up at a library
or i just reposted a little video of a kidney garden teacher in a kidney garden
classroom with kidney garden kids being shown on the projector an episode of
rupaul's drag race and so this is this is culture This is gay acceptance.

(44:25):
It's like we're regressing in intelligence.
The kids aren't learning anything in school. They're prioritizing all these social justice issues.
And then now they're having their personalities split up and confused by all
of these ideas that they're not in the right body, for instance. sense.
No, it's I mean, it's horrible. This is not in the best interest of any child.

(44:49):
It is a direct attack on their identity, the nuclear family.
And, you know, this really you hit the nail on the head, Robert.
This is a unifying issue.
The mainstream media does not want you to know that this has this issue has
brought together so many different kinds of people from from conservative Christians,

(45:10):
to Democrats, to progressive people, to feminists.
It has brought so many different groups together that otherwise may have not worked together.
And that to me is beautiful because in a day and time when we are so polarized,
and I think social media and so many factors are driving that polarization,

(45:30):
to have something that we can come together on to protect the innocence of children
and to make sure that they grow into adulthood with their bodies whole and intact,
I think it's just an incredible thing to see.
Absolutely. You know, we were talking a little bit about how the school is like,

(45:52):
creating a direct pipeline right to the hospitals, right to these transition clinics.
And we know people go to California and they're a sanctuary state for this sort
of thing, where, you know, just get here and we will get you transitioned and
we'll hide you from the parents since, you know, you're bigoted governor or
whatever, won't let you do it.

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Public school safe? Is it irredeemable? So I think that's a great question.
I'm probably not the best person to ask because my trust has been decimated.
My children will never set foot in another public school.
But my husband and I are products of public school. I still participate in Moms
for Liberty because I want to save public schools.

(46:36):
I do think there's a place for it, but I am worried about the kids that are
trapped in that system of creating social social justice, being so focused on
identity politics and not the basics.
I mean, when you look at the literacy rate in our country, it is pathetic.
But yet our focus is on SEL and social justice and frankly, racism.

(46:59):
This is why, you know, what do no harm, what they stand for and what they're
doing is so incredibly important.
But I do, I hope that public school can be saved, but not in its current state.
I think that it has been far too long where very progressive policies have been put in place.

(47:20):
It needs a complete overhaul from top to bottom.
We've got to get political ideologies completely out of the classrooms and truly
get back to what school should be about, which is learning.
I mean, they're not even teaching cursive anymore. more.
We have real problems in our public schools. And it breaks my heart for the

(47:43):
kids, you know, parents that are single moms or single parents that don't have
a choice but to send their child there.
So I'm still going to fight. But my kids were no longer safe in public schools.
I applaud you for that. And as sad as I am, because there are so many people
who can't take their kids out of public school.

(48:03):
I know that if I were ever to have a kid, homeschooling is the only way to go.
I mean, you may as well have fed them to the wolves.
If you know, taking a fresh brand new person and putting them in that environment,
you know, you don't have much of a chance unless you're like some reincarnated,

(48:24):
you know, a revolutionary who's ready to fight anything that comes in the world as a child.
You just every area of your life has been infused with lies.
Well, and they're just so unquestionable. And so unless you have a child that
has a very strong foundation and a really strong sense of who they are,
I don't think you should put them in public school.

(48:44):
You know, I think that what I talk to parents now about, especially parents
of young children, is we have to be actively inoculating kids from this ideology.
So when they hear it, they know it's a lie. Like James Lindsay talks about,
make it funny, make it ridiculous.
They need to know how ridiculous this ideology is. But first and foremost,

(49:05):
they need to know that it's built on quicksand, that it's all a lie,
that it is not kind to lie.
Because even if the kids themselves are not susceptible to the ideology and
becoming trans identified, they're being brainwashed to be an ally.
And they're being told the only way to be an ally is to affirm the lie.
And that is just not true.

(49:26):
That is not helpful or kind.
And so we really need to start inoculating this younger generation.
And back to what you said about the school-to-clinic pipeline,
this is so nefarious because there are actual gender clinics like CHOP in Philadelphia
that have departments within their pediatric gender clinic that go out into the schools.

(49:49):
They are actively recruiting people.
Now, they call it training. It's all under the guise of anti,
you know, anti-bullying and non-discrimination.
But that in itself is a lie that we can't teach children how to be kind to everybody
without injecting gender ideology into their impressionable brains.
You also have pediatric gender clinics partnering with the autism units of the hospital.

(50:13):
I wonder why that is.
That's because we're all the new clients are not ready to go for soft sell, you know.
You know, when you see them, when you talk about flags in a school, there's sexual flags.
Okay. People, some people don't see that. No, they're just flags saying I represent,
you know, the way you are inside.

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No, homosexuality is a sexuality, demisexuality, whatever sexuality that you
are in that queer spectrum, you're propagating sexuality and sexual identities
to kids. When you put that up, it's not about inclusiveness.
It's about propaganda and indoctrination.
And now in the progressive flag, we were talking about how, you know,

(50:57):
with the SEL and racism with, you know, CRT, you see now they have the black and brown stripes,
you know, the Chevron in there representing the, you know, black and brown people
of color, you know, within the community too.
And this is ultimately encompassing if you look at all the little fine delineations

(51:19):
under the queer spectrum and then you look at that and you look at all this
it really eliminates like one type of person it seems that it's straight white
people you know if you're not a person of color.
Then you're white and if you're not queer and in
part of that then you're not in the club and you know

(51:39):
if you're not identifying within the spectrum or
as an ally you're not in the club and so
they are really like you know pushing back against religion
traditional values patriotic you
know values family values and
and they're trying to ostracize everybody who isn't

(52:01):
isn't part of the club i mean there a lot of these
people have a hatred for you know old white
man and the patriarchy and and this whole thing that
gets them all stirred up and you know we've never had
more opportunity for more people and yet
now it's having a backfiring effect because the less people are being supportive
of the gay community than before because it's like turned insane well they're

(52:25):
pushing you know they're pushing such divisiveness across the board and you're
right you know this this trans umbrella literally now encompasses everybody Bye, everybody.
If you Google, am I trans? And you take one of those things,
it's so regressive in nature because if a girl likes to wear pants, you're trans.
Like it's just the most ridiculous ideology built on archaic stereotypes.

(52:50):
But we've got to get back to teaching children the truth. Sex is binary. It cannot change.
We can be kind to everybody. End of story.
That is what needs to happen. in. But, you know, there's some very progressive
thoughts being pushed into our schools right now, this notion that all children
have to be safe before they can learn.

(53:12):
This is what teachers are being taught now. Well, what is your definition of safe?
Who determines if the child is safe? And we're not talking about basic needs met.
Of course, a child needs to have food, shelter, clothing. we're talking about emotionally safe.
That is not the school's business or their job.

(53:34):
So we have really crossed a threshold where schools have gotten so far out of
their lane and so far away from the academic aspects of school.
That's why you hear this whole child whole school. Anytime you hear that model,
parents need to run the other direction because they're They're putting clinics

(53:54):
on schools now in Washington state and California.
This is a very dangerous situation. It is undermining parental authority in
every aspect that you can think of.
But it's being sold to parents as if it's a good thing.
Yeah. And if the, you know, they say the devil's in the details.

(54:15):
Someone said to me recently, God's in the details.
I like that one too, because, you know, that's true in a lot of ways,
but in this case, it's the devil in the details.
And what, you know, they take the argument out of the realm of actually being
productive as soon as they start, like you were saying, making it about feelings,

(54:37):
because feelings are subjective and they're subject to change.
Change and you've offended me and I don't feel safe.
And of course, it's easy enough to flip it around and say, I,
your ideology doesn't make me feel safe.
No, now we're at a, you know, a standstill because neither of us feel safe.
And so logic and rationale and reasoning, the intellectual approach doesn't

(55:03):
work with these people because they are manipulating the conversation by basically
crying Crying out, they're being attacked,
you know, like a child might, you know, like they're afraid of getting punished.
They might exaggerate their terror in order to hopefully keep a parent a little
bit or whoever is, you know, coming to discipline them.

(55:24):
Or maybe it's a bully, you know, you know, really just plain dead, you know.
And that is, I think, tied right into the mental illness factor here.
When you think that your feelings are so much more important than facts,
than objectivity, than societal norms, than, um.

(55:45):
Adapting to the world instead of expecting the whole world to adapt to you.
Yeah, I mean, that's exactly right. And, you know, this whole notion of gender
identity has taken root and is now being codified and protected in laws.
But no one's ever been asked, well, what is gender identity? Prove that it exists.
Why are we codifying something into law that we can't objectively measure?

(56:10):
This is frightening. This is why the whole Title IX changes that the Biden administration
is pushing down is so incredibly terrifying that you're trying to replace sex
with something that is not objectively measured, like gender identity.
You can't protect sex and this notion of the internal feeling at the same time.

(56:33):
Those two things cannot coexist.
And so I'm grateful for the states that have filed lawsuits.
I'm grateful that Moms for Liberty has fall the lawsuit i'm grateful
for the work that you know do no harm is doing in this area and
just increasing awareness what the
consequences of this could actually mean when you
replace sex with gender identity in title

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nine exactly we've got a couple minutes left there's just a couple other things
i wanted to bring up one of them is you know the whole argument that the mind-bending
question what is a woman you know you know how it like breaks brains all over the place.
So let me ask what is a man i'm asking you what is it what is a man is someone

(57:21):
who has x y chromosomes who have the ability to produce sperm nowadays that
answer is incorrect a man Man is whoever feels like a man.
What is a, I know, what is a light bulb?
But you know what? I'm not going to, I won't run you through your pace,
the paces, but if we can't, if we say, for instance, what is a light bulb?

(57:44):
Nowadays, people are identifying as inanimate objects.
You know, you'll watch these videos of here's how to use, you know,
starfish, starfish itself as pronouns.
No. Well, this is why we can't prioritize feelings over facts, Robert.
You just said that. That is such an important point. When you do,
you throw objective reality out the window.

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And what we're going to have, and we're already seeing this, is moral chaos.
We are going to see complete chaos where people don't know what's real and what's
not real anymore. That is not good for society.
We have to have objective reality that we all agree on. otherwise the society

(58:27):
collapses and you have to wonder is that what they're going for,
I think there's leadership. I think it's the PLDE, they're called.
It was speaking at the World Economic Forum.
And we had this one woman with her big puffy shoulders and this big glittery
cupcake-looking blouse on.

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And she was going up there as a representative of the LGBTQIA movement,
essentially, and how they are working to instill equality all over the world.
And so when we have top down the world economic forum actually embracing this
they got all the companies and the conglomerates behind it so then they're putting

(59:10):
in these policies then they got all the financial incentives so top down we've
got this influence bearing down on us and then.
If you think of it like rain coming down and then it fertilizes or wets the
ground and now we have little sprouts coming up.
We have people who think they're organically identifying as trans when really

(59:32):
they have been propagandized to and misled into thinking that's possible by
these outer influences coming top down.
Well, this ideology is trickling down even from the UN level.
It's being pushed into every aspect of our society, which is why I'll go back

(59:52):
to my fundamental criminal, you know, aspect that I've been telling parents
that we have to be inoculating children from this.
They have to be told the truth at age appropriate levels at every single age.
That is the only way to complete. I mean, we have, I think we have to fight
this in multiple different levels, but that is a real key aspect because even

(01:00:13):
with the laws, even with the lawsuits, suits.
The faucet of gender ideology is not being turned off.
It is free-flowing into social media, into our universities,
even into our medical schools.
And so we have got to start teaching the truth at early ages so the kids know this is a lie.

(01:00:36):
You know, I'm in a film that's coming out here in one month with James Lindsay
called Beneath Sheep's Clothing.
I'm looking forward to that. Okay, awesome. And it's all about the commonalities
between how Marxism moved into the USSR and compares that to what's happening in America.
So we're going into cultural Marxism. We're looking at how the country is being

(01:01:01):
destroyed from the inside out.
And when we We talk about, you know, the PLGE, which I was referring to,
which are part of the United Nations, working with the World Economic Forum,
who's even higher than them in their reach.
We really see that we have a broad agenda to destroy the integrity of man,

(01:01:26):
their fertility, their...
Stability mental stability and not to mention you
know what's happening economically and every other way and
so you know when we say it's like a worldwide
like agenda you know there's no
question they are out about it and like you said that we need to inoculate these

(01:01:49):
kids with the truth they need to know what they're going to hear when they get
to school and they need to know what the correct answers or responses to those
things are well and parents need to step up too robert we have a pretty severe
parenting crisis in our country right now.
Parents need to step up to the plate and parent their children.
And so, you know, part of my job at Do No Harm is I work with parents one-on-one

(01:02:13):
who have children who have fallen prey to this ideology.
And I would love for your audience to go to DoNoHarmMedicine.org and check out
our parent resource page that I have helped put together of all the resources
that we recommend parents look into.
But you can't outsource this issue.
Parents have gotten used to outsourcing their parenting to the school,

(01:02:36):
to so-called experts, to doctors.
We have to take back that parental authority.
Our kids need us to parent them, not outsource people.
And so that's really important for parents to hear that because in a time of
technology, I can't tell you how many times I'll go into a restaurant or a waiting room.

(01:02:59):
And I get that it's inconvenient to have a kid out in the public.
It's so much easier to just give them a phone or a tablet, but that is not helping these kids.
We are raising an anxious generation that have no idea how to socialize.
And I think that's how a lot of these kids fall prey to this ideology is not
knowing how to make friends, spending too much time online, and then finding

(01:03:24):
themselves being groomed in some of these really dangerous chat rooms.
You know, Abigail Stryer's book, Viotherapy, talks a lot about this,
how, you know, the therapy itself is causing iatrogenic harm.
But parents have got to be the experts of their children and set the healthy
boundaries that kids are really, really needing.

(01:03:49):
Yeah. You know, it's, you know, it's hard to, to blame parents when they get
exhausted, when they use some of these tools, but you know, they're letting
the kids raise themselves.
They're letting the kids call the shots in this way.
And I think parents also forget that, you know, while they themselves are like
fretting about with their technology and my phone's ringing out of the computer

(01:04:10):
email and they're like, well, I'm managing it.
So there'll be able to manage it. they forgot that they
were raised without that or very little
of that they learned how to be a human being first and
then incorporated that they didn't skip all of that vital life experience and
just go right into frantically you know staying in a technology loop all day

(01:04:34):
yeah these kids are being bombarded with technology not just in the schools
i am not a proponent of giving a child a a smartphone under the age of 16.
There are so many alternatives now. It is just not safe.
You would not drop your child in the middle of Times Square and expect them
to be able to navigate the subway.

(01:04:54):
But that's what parents are doing when they give their child a smartphone with
untethered access. I can't tell you how many parents I talked to.
That child has their smartphone in their room overnight or some other kind of
tablet where they have constant access access to the internet.
That is so incredibly dangerous. And it's hardwiring their brains in ways that

(01:05:17):
I don't think we fully understand yet.
I think it's changing brain chemistry in ways that we're going to find is very, very unhealthy.
Not to mention, of course, the easy access to porn, which plays a huge part
in the boys that are finding themselves prey to this ideology.
Exactly. They're being short-circuited. Their brains are being trained to algorithms,

(01:05:38):
the machines training around them, and then in training them in turn,
it's a very dangerous, scary kind of loop in future that we're looking at.
We've got no time left. The show's right here at the end.
So could you reiterate the web address you gave us and any other social media
contact information so people can follow you and get in touch with you?

(01:06:02):
Absolutely. You can follow me on X at January at Do No Harm.
No, it's sorry, at January Do No Harm.
Or you can reach out to me through DoNoHarmMedicine.org. We have a parent resource
page on there that is fantastic.
We have final legislation and all kinds of factual information when it comes
to medical interventions and social transition that's occurring.

(01:06:27):
And then the other website that I gave is gendertoolkit.com.
It's a brand new toolkit from an organization called Restore Childhood.
And it's really fantastic.
I would encourage you to look at that toolkit, read it,
take it to your school administrators and start to have these conversations

(01:06:47):
because we are in such a better place today than we were when my child was indoctrinated four years ago.
And I just want to give parents hope that if your child has fallen prey, you are not alone.
There's so much parent support now. We are here for you. You can get through
this. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

(01:07:09):
But you just need to love your child, set healthy boundaries,
and give them the time, the gift of time to work through this crisis.
Absolutely. Well, you're a veteran at this. You've been in it from the beginning.
And like you said, you've been in this longer than us and a lot of other organizations.

(01:07:29):
So thank you for your continued activism to support families and protect kids.
For our listeners, if you have any questions, comments, or you want to suggest
a guest, please email podcast at gazeagainstgroomers.com.
You can join a chapter, start a chapter, or do any number of things just by

(01:07:50):
going to the gaze against groomers.com and follow and like us on X AKA Twitter and Instagram.
If you're not already, if you're not shame, shame. So until next week,
this is Robert Wallace. Thanks.