September 25, 2024 • 56 mins
Welcome to another episode of "The Dark Side of the Rainbow," a Gays Against Groomers production hosted by Robert Wallace. In this episode, we delve into the controversial topic of social-emotional learning (SEL) with our specialized guest, Lisa Logan.
Lisa Logan, a mom of three and a vocal critic of SEL, shares her journey from attending school board meetings to becoming a prominent voice against the implementation of SEL programs like Second Step. She discusses how these programs subtly indoctrinate children with progressive ideologies, leading to a social credit score system for kids.
We explore the emotional and psychological impact of SEL on children, including the normalization of mental illness and the manipulation of young minds through trauma bonding and circle times. Lisa also highlights the broader agenda driven by organizations like the World Economic Forum and the United Nations, pushing for a one-world government and religion through educational indoctrination.
Lisa provides actionable advice for parents on how to protect their children, from building strong family relationships to raising awareness in their communities. She emphasizes the importance of safeguarding cognitive liberty and constitutional rights in the face of this growing educational and societal challenge.
Don't miss this eye-opening conversation that uncovers the hidden layers of SEL and its far-reaching implications. Follow Lisa Logan on YouTube at Parents of Patriots, on Substack at Education Manifesto, and on X at @IamLisaLogan.
For more updates and episodes, visit GaysAgainstGroomers.com or follow us on Twitter. You can also reach out to us at podcast@GaysAgainstGroomers.com with any questions or guest suggestions.
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Welcome to the Dark Side of the Rainbow. This is Robert Wallace,
and this is a Gaze Against Groomers production.
Today, we have a very important and specialized guest in an area that we often
discuss, which is that area of social-emotional learning.
Lisa Logan, how are you? I'm great, Robert. How are you? I'm fantastic.
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Well, Elisa is a specialist in the field of SEL studies, and she also participated
in the documentary Beneath Sheep's Clothing, where we also had an appearance,
myself on behalf of Gays Against Groomers.
And this is an area where the subversion of speech is actually weakening our
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ability to protect kids.
Would you give the audience a little introduction and then maybe a little primer into what is SEL?
Well, I'm happy to be here today and talk to your audience, Robert.
So at the end of the day, I am just a mom of three kids.
I got into this because I started going to school board meetings and realized
something was very, very wrong when I saw what they were doing with social emotional
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learning in schools and ended up getting involved. They realized they needed a platform.
So I started my YouTube channel, Parents of Patriots, and started putting out
videos about what this program specifically they were using in my child's school
and actually one of the biggest programs around the nation called Second Step
and how they were teaching kids critical theory schools,
one of them being queer theory, which is why I'm on your show today.
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And just kind of it went from there.
I realized this is kind of a much bigger problem, started talking about,
you know, the United Nations and how they're involved and basically how this
is setting up a social credit score for children, which is kind of the end result of all this, right?
They want to control what we say, what we do, how to be groupthink,
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right? And then who gets to decide what that groupthink is.
So I have my YouTube channel, like I said, Parents Patriots.
I have a sub stack called Education Manifesto.
And your audience can find me at IamLisaLogan on Twitter, right?
It's all sorts of these things. Excellent.
So... Or it's what social emotional learning is, right? Because you asked me
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to kind of give a primer on what that is.
So, it's basically a mental health program there. Well, it's going to fall under
the, you know, we're saving kids mental health umbrella, right?
Which is actually causing more problems and we'll discuss how in a minute.
But they brought brought this into schools to teach kids what they said
is empathy how to have relationships with other
people how to you know have more of
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a self-identity of who they were and and
how to basically live and interact in the world which we could all agree that
is a good thing to do right but but I think where the red flags went off for
me as a parent where I was like wait you're teaching my kids attitudes values
and beliefs and I thought as the parent you know and you know as a,
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mother of my offspring that it's my husband and I's job to do that.
And so I think that's where when I saw how they were teaching the values,
attitudes, and beliefs, and how it was being used to get kids to adopt certain
progressive ideologies, this is where things kind of went south.
You know, when it comes to manipulating children in a coercive way through,
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you know, these story problem type situations where they are subtly indoctrinated
with different themes in a way that's made to be very normal.
And it's in a way that doesn't even address the fact that they're introducing
new themes into the conversation.
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They're really just acting like it's always been there and making it very normal.
You know, sometimes we hear like, oh, they're making like really compassionate
statements or whatever, or really like broad-minded framing of questions.
However, this is leading towards a new mindset,
a mindset which says that you are a problem and we need to work on equity,
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inclusion, beyond just accepting what is to the point of everybody submitting
themselves to a new way of thinking.
What is the way of thinking that they're trying Really, it's kind of an anything-go
kind of way of thinking, right?
What they do through social-emotional learning, through circle times,
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and when they discuss empathy and bullying.
And I want to say, you know, kids are naturally empathetic, right?
They naturally care about people.
Most kids, right, when they see it kind of on the playground,
they're playing by themselves or whatever. They want to help them feel included. Right.
And I think this is where things get a little sticky, right?
Because kids are being bullied in school who are different, right?
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Maybe kids who are experiencing gender dysphoria.
And then they use that kind of angle, like, oh, look to see that,
you know, society is bullying them and the whole institutions are set up against
them to get kids to believe that, one,
this is not a mental illness that the kid is experiencing at the time and that
they actually need help. We should have compassion for those kids.
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And that, too, it's completely normal and an absolute truth that you can actually
change your sex, which is biologically impossible.
Each cell of your body has an X or a Y chromosome.
So it's actually physically impossible to change your sex and to believe that you are that sex.
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And then, like you were just saying, Robert, that this is completely normal,
that we've always had many, many people identifying as transgender and cutting
off their healthy body parts and all these other things when this is actually
not the case. And in fact, you know, it's interesting.
My daughter was questioning the other day why my son had brought up,
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oh, you know, they have a trans character in this cartoon show. And my daughter's 11.
And she was like, why is that wrong? And I said, honey, because they're trying
to normalize this for you guys. And granted, right now, you are seeing an influx
of kids identifying this, but this is not organic.
This is not just like all of a sudden, you know, something's happening in their bodies.
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And it's being, as we see now, because we're in Pride Month,
kind of normalized to this, what we call the mere exposure effect.
The more you're exposed to something, the more you think it's just a regular
thing to happen in the world, right? And you start to accept it more.
And they're trying to get kids to accept that this is natural and this is okay.
And it's just a regular thing for someone to be confused about their sex when
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it's actually something that people go through and then they need actual assistance and help.
Well, I love that you bring up the mere exposure effect.
I've from time to time brought that up. I became privy to this from Robbie Starbucks's
explanation of it in The War on Children, which you appear in.
And I can't find, I can't think of a better kind of explanation of what is indoctrination
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than really what SEL is all about.
Wow. This is a very subtle way to make people think that certain things are normal that are not.
Can you give us some examples of SEL in action in the classroom?
Well, and that's the thing where I started with all of this again with second
step was that I was like, I want to see what my kids learning in school.
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Like, can you show me like I went into the ministry?
You have to as a parent. It's like you can just go look at it online.
Right. And I'll get to why that's a problem in a moment. it.
But I was like, I want to see what they're saying in these values,
attitudes, and beliefs that you're teaching because does it align with our family's
values, right? The stuff that we've been bringing our kids up with.
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And I went in and they put all these binders on the table and I'm looking through
it and it's not too bad, right?
I looked at the K-5 because they were implementing it in the middle school that
my kid was going to be going to.
They were part of a three-year implementation process that they adopted it.
And I spent a couple hours there looking through the binders and I was like,
yeah, this doesn't look so bad.
And then I went home and an interesting thing happened.
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A teacher at the middle school that my son was going to quit over having to teach this material.
He said he saw a video and there was like a BLM march in it.
And there was a kid and he was in a boy who was in full makeup talking about
transgenderism and bullying and all of these things. And I was like, a video?
I didn't see a video. I asked to see all the materials. They didn't tell me
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that there was a video component to this program.
And so I go back in with another mom. We spent over 30 hours looking at the
curriculum and you start seeing little things pop up, right?
When they start talking about identity, you know, they're sort of saying,
I'm, I'm a girl, you know, I have brown skin.
I, you know, like different varying things about themselves.
And, and this whole idea of LGBTQIA kept coming up quite a bit.
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And in one particular bullying session, like I said, the teacher saw about,
you know, being empathetic and not bullying people.
There is a boy sitting there in full makeup talking about how he was being bullied
and framing it as, you know, it was a problem, like a school culture problem,
right? That they don't accept transgender kids.
And again, I 100% don't believe that we should bully people, period.
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But they were using it as a way to kind of touch at the heartstrings of the
kids to say, oh, it's so unfortunate that this person's not accepted,
even though they're just different.
I think also, and I think the ways that they get kids to empathize with it,
and they have these circle times, right, where they kind of talk about things
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in school that they're upset about.
And so it's facilitated by the teacher, right? It's to kind of bring the kids
together in what they call belonging, longing kind of way to like form like
a safe space for these kids to talk.
And so essentially, these circle times have turned into confession sessions,
right, where they're talking about all sorts of things that their parents don't know about.
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And it's actually can be very damaging. So people have brought up abuse in these circle times.
I had one parent tell me of a fourth that one kid
in her group had talked about how his
mom was parents divorced and now his mom was drinking and seeing other people
and you know there's like invulnerability breeds vulnerability so all these
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kids start talking about very sensitive subjects and they all were crying by
the end of the session and so this this breaks down and you can see how it kind
of be very scary right you're.
You're talking about what you believe or what you're going through in a group of your peers.
There's the ability for those values to be deconstructed right there, right?
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If someone believes you're bigoted or if you believe something that's different
from them, that's not inclusive, that they can then break that down in front of their peers.
And you feel like you're forced to do it because everyone else is.
And so this is a way to kind of expose people's religious values and beliefs
and then have those be pointed at as being too individualistic and not healthy, right?
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When this is very damaging for kids mentally to go through that whole process
because they grow up in their tribe, their family, right?
Where their beliefs are solidified and they feel very close to those people
that they can depend on them at what they tell them is true.
And when they go to school and these beliefs are deconstructed by the teacher,
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by the circle time, despite whatever it is, when they start talking about these
subjects in school, they can feel betrayed by their parents.
And then you have a disassociative split, right?
The kid's one way at school and one way at home, and it breaks down those family
structures, which causes mental health problems.
So what we're seeing is this mental health crisis maybe isn't what they're trying to tell us, right?
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Maybe the solution to what they say the mental health crisis is,
is actually the problem. Wow.
You know, that kind of reminds me of something that James Lindsay,
who was just on, was talking to me about, which is the bitterness sessions that
were done over in Maoist China in order to get children to.
It's like it makes me think of like a toxic therapy, you know,
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you know, therapy is good when you when you rehash things, you go over them
and you start to deconstruct and understand.
But when you're in the midst of that vulnerability and you start to insert new
ideas, that's when you start reprogramming of sorts.
Makes me think of like a poisoned apple, some of this stuff.
You know, it's like taking a bite. Like you said, you went over 30,
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you spent 30 hours going over this content and just sprinkled here and there
are little bits of untruths or ideological concepts that are being insinuated.
Do you have any experience talking with parents who have immediate effects from this?
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Maybe their kids come home and they find that the root of a problem that their
kids bring in with them is what their teacher has been feeding them in this
way. Yes, and I think it's much more than an SEL problem.
Again, what's happening with social emotional learning is they're making it systemic, right?
So they're making it a project that almost the whole school has to undergo in
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order to make their environment more inclusive and socially emotionally supportive.
And so there's a combination of things going on, right? Maybe that child expresses
some kind of confusion in that circle time.
That then gets floated to a school counselor, right? Who wants to meet with
them privately to talk about these things.
And maybe that kid said, hey, I don't know if my parents would be cool with,
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you know, me thinking that I'm another gender.
And this is where this snowballs, right? And I actually have met many parents
who've unfortunately gone through this. It's January, little John in Florida has gone through this.
I have a friend in Kansas, probably wouldn't want me putting him out there that
has gone through this and slowly has had to nourish their kids back to health
because they've been secretly transitioned at school.
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And a lot of times it starts with these SDL lessons where they're planting seeds
in the kid's mind that maybe the uncomfortableness that they're feeling in their
body is that changes through puberty,
or maybe the feeling of aloneness that they're having, or whatever it is, right?
That maybe it's not attributed to the things that they are attributed to,
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but that they're attributed maybe to the fact that they're in the wrong body
and they're lying to themselves, right? And they're having to put on a show.
And so this is where these seeds are planted and grown and fertilized is in
that this school culture where it's okay to change your gender or think you're a different sex.
And then the kids feel that maybe because their parents are not going to accept
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them, that now their school becomes their family, that becomes their tribe.
And unfortunately, it causes all sorts of problems, right? I think the one mom
in Kansas, the daughter started cutting herself.
I mean, this whole dissociation that we just talked about, it's very,
very damaging to children.
And I think that's not a conversation we're having enough.
Right. What do you think, as
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far as the, we're really dealing with the normalization of mental illness.
And, you know, when a person becomes an adult, you know, they can go and take
whatever path that they want.
But during the formative years, whether young children, impressionable,
under the care of responsible adults, and they are supposed to be cultivated
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in a way of right thinking.
Instead, they're actually not just having mental illness affirmed,
but they're having it installed in their head.
How are we going to protect children without straight up taking them out of
school and homeschooling them?
Where should parents begin when it comes to their school boards or looking over
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schoolwork or confronting teachers?
I think it starts with the relationship with your child. And I just mentioned,
you know, my kids and I talk a lot about, I try to point out to them,
like, look, do you see kind of how they're manipulating this situation to have
you believe a certain way?
And a lot of times I start with just kind of other subjects that they do understand, right?
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I've never seen the show on TLC, I think it's called My Strange Addiction,
where people all of a sudden will be eating rocks or I mean,
Something traumatic happens that triggers this weird addiction,
whatever that is, eating common.
I think there's even somebody who eats baby powder, drinks gasoline.
And when you see those things, you don't say, hey, that's normal for you to do that.
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You eat food and water, right?
So I think talking to your kids about this stuff and relating stuff to them
that they see that they can understand is important.
And then showing them how this, they're being propagandized.
And my kids will now come to me and say, hey, you know,
look, mom, when I turn on Minecraft, look at the message.
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They're saying Black Lives Matter, or I turn on this other game that I'm playing,
and there's a rainbow character that's being promoted out because it's free.
They're going to give it to you free.
And so they start seeing little things because I think kids are very sensitive
to, especially if they start to get a little older and they want to start breaking
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away from mom and dad and think for themselves,
you have to start pointing out how the world wants them to think a certain way
and all the different tools they use to advertise or propagandize to them.
And so I think it first starts with having that great relationship with your child.
And I say this all the time to parents, you know, they ask these,
you know, when I go talk somewhere and they say, well, what can we do?
And I say, have dinner with your children every single night.
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Make sure they know that you're a part of their, that you have inside jokes
and they feel like a part of your tribe because they're not going to go looking
for something else out there if they feel like they belong right,
right where they are in your family.
And so I think it's important to have it. And it's unfortunate, right?
A lot of parents don't want to have these conversations with their kid as early
as we now have to, because they go out in the world and they see this stuff everywhere.
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But we have to have those conversations and know that they can come to us about anything.
So that's number one. As far as the community, what Stacy and I did,
this other mom, I mean, we went out there, we put a report out.
Raising awareness is always a big deal, right? When you can point to, hey, this lesson,
and in our case, the clincher for second step in our district and why our school
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district board voted it out, which I think we've been been one of the only school
districts in the country that's been able to kick this program out,
is that they were directing 12 and 13-year-olds to sexual content.
And I think this is where, I mean, we talk about the gays against groomers and,
you know, I mean, really what they are is grooming children.
And the way they do that is by shocking their system through this sexual content.
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And a lot of this comes through, unfortunately, this idea that we want LGBTQA
plus kids included in not bullying.
And so that's why they're having books being read in schools that talk about this stuff.
It's part of the normalization process, but a lot of times it shocks them, right?
So this particular program was directing kids to a website that talked about,
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am I still a feminist if I'm into BDSM?
Or how to get a self-safety managed medical abortion, or revenge porn.
I mean, they were sexualizing the kids early and early. And I think that point
in the community is something that everyone can rally around,
because I think we all don't, We all want kids to be kids as long as we possibly can, right?
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And our job as adults is to protect them, like you said, right?
We teach them, hey, don't take candy from strangers.
Don't get in a stranger's car if they tell you that they're going to look for
their lost puppy because, you know, you are so empathetic.
Like, our job is to protect them from the different things and to show them
how they can be manipulated.
And so I think you're getting your community to understand what's going on and
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how these kids are being sexualized too early. a very strong rallying point we can all get around.
And I think as far as legislators go, I think it's just the same thing, right?
You have to show them how their job as legislators is to protect the community and our rights.
So the problem with a lot of this stuff is it is infringing on our rights.
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It's infringing on our rights of free speech.
Because if you are forced to say pronouns, for instance, right,
to say someone has different pronouns because they identify as a different sex,
and you don't really believe that in your mind, but your speech is being forced,
that's a First Amendment violation.
You know, protecting kids in locker rooms and bathrooms from possible assault, right?
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And for women's sports, right, that we fought so hard, right,
for women to have their own sports so that we can participate safely and be
able to actually compete because men are naturally stronger than women.
It's their job to protect those rights. And I think if we point out how our
rights are being violated and And the different ways that they can protect us,
I think that's a hugely important tool in this fight as well.
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That's a lot of really good advice, and I appreciate you going into these different
areas to describe those.
You know, we have these methods of sexualizing kids.
I say we, I mean the activist teachers, okay, the adult humans among us who are doing such things.
And it has that effect of causing like a micro trauma on them.
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I mean, as a small child myself, you know, seeing certain very advanced themes
that, you know, adults who've been doing the thing for a long time,
thought nothing of was completely shocking and appalling to me,
my innocent little heart, you know, and in those little micro traumas,
it's kind of, again, like the toxic therapy I was kind of, you know, referring to,
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you've got a vulnerable person, you're sowing in an idea.
They're in a moment of shock it creates the beginning
of a sexual awakening like now they become privy to
you know they go to a drag the pride parade and you know there's that guy in
his underwear you know just twerking everywhere or you know people half-dressed
and it's like what is so appealing to them as you start to connect the dots
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you start to tap into the whole spheres, sexual thinking.
So what is the damage of having a child becoming sexualized prematurely?
All sorts of things, right?
Early sexual activity, I think.
Like we're talking about confusion. I mean, they, they're not mature enough
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in their brains yet to understand how to a, you know, protect themselves from sexual harm, right?
Whether that be in a sexual relationship and have those boundaries, right?
That you learn as an adult, when you're in a healthy sexual relationship,
you know, there's boundaries and there's, there's different,
you know, you have to say, you know, respect your body, say yes to certain things,
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no to certain things like protect yourself, right? And also from pregnancy.
Kids who engage in this stuff early tend to get pregnant early, actually.
So I grew up in California in an area called Santa Ana. And I had friends at
14 years old get pregnant.
It's because they were expecting, like they had older brothers or fathers that watched pornography.
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They're exposed to this stuff super, super early. We lived in an area where
it was very common, actually.
And fortunately, Unfortunately, I had friends be raped and stuff like that on the street.
And so anything, you know, whether you're exposed to it through a book,
through movies, through, you know, someone, something, somebody left on television
or a magazine that you find under your dad's bed or whatever it is,
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like kids are very curious and they're very suggestible.
And so when you expose kids to this kind of stuff early, yes,
you're saying exactly right.
And when you do it in a group, you know, whether it be at school or,
you know, as they do it on TikTok, right?
They're all kind of rallying around these types of ideas. They're being trauma bonded.
And so again, they're feeling more like those people in my family,
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those people understand me, those people get me more than my family who raised
me, who probably really has my best interest at heart. Exactly.
Trauma bonded. And I know I asked you a very broad general question.
Why shouldn't kids be sexualized early? I mean, we all know the answer to that,
which is why we're even interested in protecting children.
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I think at the crux, too, of this, like you said, being opened up to sexual
abuse is, you know, one of the unfortunate effects.
I'm sure, you know, most of these activist teachers, you know,
many of them, I don't know, most maybe,
I assume, do not have any intentions of, you know, doing any sort of sexual
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activity with the child, Even though unwittingly, perhaps they think they're
doing a society a justice by normalizing this.
They have they have created a child who has mentally prepared themselves or
become more open to being abused and not only keeping it quiet,
but maybe even, you know, appreciating it or, you know, somehow feeling like,
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you know, it's OK. Right. Right.
When you talk about trauma bonding, I think that's another buzz term here that
really connects a lot of this together, because even at the school level where
they're just talking about these, again,
you know, perverted ideas and they need not be like necessarily perverted as
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in like, oh, that woman is not dressed completely.
But the idea has been perverted from the wholesome concept in some way, however small. all.
And in that way, we're changing to the trajectory of their thinking and building new synapses.
And we know that porn, for instance, is destructive to the brain.
And yet this is being taught like in the books we got at the schools.
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They're saying gays need this sort of literature in order to have sound sexual development.
That's pretty slanderous to people who, you know, might consider themselves
gay and think I didn't need any kind of porn in order to develop correctly.
What do they think of gay people really in the way that they're teaching?
Well, and that's a very important point that you make, Robert,
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because I've been saying all along, and I know quite a few other people have as well.
I know there's a gay man in the Libertarian Party or the other.
No, you talk about a lot of Republicans here. That's what party he's in, but he's a gay man.
And he's been showing up at these legislative meetings speaking very loudly
against all the same things that all of us were speaking against,
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you know, the sexual stuff in the books and the whole transgenders and sports issue.
I mean, all of it, like he's been showing up. And I remember,
and he's actually great at things, right?
He does the cross-dressing as Lady Maga, you know, at different events.
And I remember when I first met him, he said to me, you know,
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when I was a little kid, I used to like pink and play with Barbie.
And he's like, it occurs to me that if I was growing up today,
that someone would have told me that I was in the wrong body and convinced me
to cut off my healthy body parts and in the hopes that I could change into a girl.
And he's like, when I'm perfectly happy being a gay man who dresses in drag.
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And it's true, right? And I think what people aren't zeroing in on is this is
actually conversion therapy. You know, there was a whole uproar.
And I've grown up with many gay friends. I was a dance major in college.
Most of my male friends were gay.
And so I really see this from this perspective, because what they're doing,
a lot of these kids who do have confusion about their sex and experiencing gender dysphoria,
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there's been studies done over years, right, that 90% of them,
if you just left them alone,
no pressure either way, right, they would either grow out of it and realize
that they're perfectly happy being heterosexual, or they turn into somebody
who understood that they were homosexual. sexual.
And what we're doing with this whole transgender phase is basically converting
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someone who might just become homosexual or grow out of it into someone who
wants to cut off their healthy body parts.
And it's not driven because they really care about these kids,
but you can see how this is a money-making opportunity for all the people promoting
puberty blocker surgery, the cost insurance companies, lots and lots of money.
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You can see that this is actually a really huge perversion and a conversion
therapy for people who might just be kind of straight.
You know, that raises, I think, a really interesting point. If we look back,
the way homosexuals used to be handled was conversion therapy.
And then up until about five years ago, you know, we had a pretty chunky window
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where we were just accepting what was.
We were just accepting that people were gay and then just let them be gay.
And hopefully they, behave as normally as possible and we'll all get along.
And now we're in this new thing pointing toward the future of more conversion therapy.
But it's going in the other direction. Instead of suppressing, it's exacerbating.
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It's making it worse and it's turning it, it's evolving it into this next stage. You're transgender.
You're one of 80 different queer varietals. And so it's It's gone from mental
health problem, I can't express or find myself,
to mental health problem, I think I'm all these things and I have no idea which
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one I am or I can become or I will be tomorrow.
It seems like a mental abuse scandal that can only be dealt with if we get to
the crux of issues like what we're talking about,
the indoctrination of these ideas via tools like social emotional learning through
things like the trauma bonding and the manipulation of the dialogue.
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So do you think that if we're going to clean the situation up,
we're going to need to a wreck house and start again?
Do we maybe need to look at purging certain elements or taking the kids out of school completely?
I mean, the system's corrupted. The kids are there. They're experiencing this.
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We've got to put an end to it. You've mentioned many things that we can do from
different angles to do something about that.
What's the quickest way a parent, other than maybe talking to them,
which is something that I think we need to talk on a little bit more,
what they can do to stop that influence.
I think it's different for every kid and every situation, right?
I think there are some kids that are more vulnerable to indoctrination than
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others, right? They're already a little more insured themselves.
Maybe they're awkward, you know, in their social relationships or whatever it
could be, right, based on their personality.
And I'd say those kids definitely take them out or if they're young,
because it's one thing to have a conversation with an 11-year-old or,
you know, I have a 14-year-old and a 17-year-old.
It's one thing to have conversations with kids that are that old about this
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stuff, but when they're three, five, just entering school,
They can't distinguish, right, what's truth and what's not true.
And so I think if they're really young and I think if they are vulnerable to
this stuff, definitely take them out if you're a parent.
I think you have to read the situation and kind of know what's best in your family's case.
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I don't know what to do. I don't know if you can, like, blow up the whole thing and start over.
I mean, the point that I want to make is that this is being driven from many
different angles. This whole idea that we need this in schools.
And I actually really wanted to talk to you about why I reposted it,
but it's something that I like posted about probably about a year ago,
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about this, this organization that's partnered with the World Economic Forum and the UN,
the United Nations called PGLE, which stands for Partnership for Global LGBTQ Equality.
And so this is a group of 14 companies.
And the reason this clip that I put out got such a stir, and I think quite a
few other really, kind of really bigger news organizations used it,
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was that it was this woman called Beth Marciniak.
She's an Ernst & Young executive, or former one anyways, that was on stage at
Business for Social Responsibility Conference. conference.
And the guy was asking her about PGLE. And she said, yeah, well,
backstage in Davos, you know, a long time ago, President Biden came up to us
and said, you know, well, sorry, he was the vice president at the time,
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but President Biden came up to them and said,
you know, I can't, government cannot do what you companies can,
you're going to have to change the world on this issue.
And the reason we're seeing so much of this in schools, it's because there is
a school to workforce pipeline.
There was a law passed in 2015 called the Every Student Succeeds Act,
And it made it so that we had to align what we were teaching in K-12 to post-secondary education.
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And then now there's been all sorts of like, you know, WOIA,
which are all these programs that basically said, hey, we're preparing children
for their workforce and college and career readiness.
So a lot of this is being driven by that. Because if you look at companies,
which are now under this cartel, where the banks and investors have now partnered
together with the businesses and kind of governments of these public-private partnership,
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and they basically said, hey, if you want capital so that your business can survive.
You got to do X, Y, and Z. And really, it's you got to do ESG, right?
Environmental, social, and governance. You got to report back to us on these
ways that you are implementing these things that help these things along,
which is really just the United Nations Sustainable Development Goal.
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So businesses have to report to these banks and investors like,
hey, I put out a pride clothing line, or I featured a transgender influencer
like Dylan Mulvaney for my ads,
or I, you know, gosh, I donated money to this organization who supports LGBTQA plus rights.
So they have to physically show these banks and investors that they're doing
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all these things in order to get money to actually make it as a business.
And so this is this is operating in like huge, I mean, you can see huge RICO violations here.
Like, it's basically there, They've
created this ring of tasks that these companies have to do to make it.
And this is where all this is stemming from, because then if you let that trickle
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down, right, and the colleges then were preparing, you know,
and that's where they kind of have introduced this stuff anyways,
right, through critical studies,
queer theory, critical theories, all these other things, race,
critical race theories, to try to expand the kid's mind.
But, you know, the colleges have been infiltrated by a lot of these radical
academic type professors who push this stuff in their classes.
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So kids, you know, leave the nest of their home, go to college,
and then they're activated, right, to be social justice activists.
But then that also now has been trickled down to K-12, where if we're preparing
kids for college and career readiness, they have to have the ESG.
And actually, it's interesting, SEL, the way they're collecting data with social
emotional learning is the score that will eventually serve as their social credit score.
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So companies are now talking about hiring new candidates, you know,
out of college or whatever, based on these ESG factors.
Are they inclusive enough? Do they have these mindsets where they're inclusive enough?
And this is a scary trajectory, right? Because we're, you know,
talking about discrimination, right?
In America, where we should have freedom of religion, freedom of thought,
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we're now setting up kids to be in a situation where if they don't buy into
these attitudes, values, and beliefs that they want them to have,
they may not be able to have a future.
Well, I am just so excited that you brought that up.
That is one of my most favorite subjects that we just don't get in depth enough about.
And that is, where is this coming from top down?
And anybody who's seen these clips that you're referring to from the World Economic
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Forum will be able to recognize what you're talking about.
It is definitely a top-down operation with standards put in place that is causing
these organizations and these different teachers unions and all the way down.
This is how it's getting to the kids.
And so if the goal of the World Economic Forum is to build back better,
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great reset, new world order, one world government,
okay, and they want a whole society under that purview, and this is what they're
spreading through the whole world, then this movement,
if you want to call it that, is really taking over everything from every direction,
which is something that you've been talking about.
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It is coming from every direction.
And yet we can't seem to figure out where is the source and the sources and
the policies that are ruling the companies above them, you know,
above us, above them and above them all the way up to the top.
So this is a one world government problem.
And, you know, I think that probably will quickly get outside the scope of what
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we're dealing with, because now we're not just talking about how do we protect
our individual child or how do we try to keep our school free from it?
But how do we stop, you know, get at the eye of the dragon, you know,
as you might put it, as one might put it.
So because it seems like it might be beyond our reach, it might be beyond the
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reach of our politicians.
Maybe we need to spend more time promoting the actual cause of this disease. What do you think?
Yeah. And I think we have to start identifying it for what it is,
because it's not just business policy. And I think that's where a lot of people kind of go wrong.
We're identifying it as an economic problem when it really is a spiritual and religious problem.
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So it's not just a one world government. They want a one world religion.
And I think when we have to start looking at it that way, because I think it
changes our perspective when we're talking about helping our kids understand
what's going on around them. You know, so I'm going to share a secret with you, Robert.
Well, it's not too much of a secret because some people know,
but I was a part of a cult for seven years.
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And so the reason I recognize this stuff so readily is because from about 16
to the time I was 23 and I'm 44 now.
I was a part of a religious cult called the International Church of Christ.
And so I went through the brainwashing process.
And it took me seeing a lot of inconsistencies in the religion that I was a
part of to realize I needed to leave at the age of 23.
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I think a lot of things kind of helped those along. But we're not looking at
just a indoctrination thing.
We're looking at a literal brainwashing problem.
And I think we have to have that changes us in two ways, right?
It helps us have compassion for the people promoting this. because they've literally been brainwashed.
And so you're looking at a deprogramming situation, right? More than anything
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else, right? It's not like I hate you because you think these things.
It's like, wow, you've been really brainwashed.
Like this has come at you from all sides and now you've adopted these beliefs.
And so how do we as a society kind of help people out of that brainwashing?
But then understanding that along with this whole push to accept queerness and
all these kinds of things, it comes very much in line and is connected to the interfaith movement.
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So this whole idea that we should abandon, because these people really hate
the nuclear family, they hate capitalism, and they hate our Constitution.
And so they're looking at the straightest line to take, to take all of those things down.
And breaking down the nuclear family structure is one of the biggest ways to
do it, which is why this push for queerness and 500 genders and all these different things is happening.
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Happening but but they have inserted you know there's
a group of people actually at the topic and i've already put
out videos about them they're called new thought and they've
partnered with a group called the fetzer institute which strangely enough were
the same people who created social emotional learning fancy that right and they're
the ones that created the group that accept the standards that eventually got
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this into all the schools and they're partnering with people to to basically
have this whole thing called the New Pluralist.
And they're inserting in the name of saving democracy, having all these interfaith
and intercultural dialogue conversations.
But really the point of it is to move the dialogue to the left,
more progressive, where we're accepting more and more.
And this is happening within religion. So they've implanted different people within each religion.
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So the religion looks like it's operating like it usually does, right?
The doctrine, they're still preaching, all that kind of stuff.
And then there's a cell within each of these religions that's working actively
to pull people away from their center of doctrine, whatever that is, right?
And it's happening in every single religion. It's happening in Jewish religion.
It's happening in Christianity really, really, really hardly.
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Catholics, I mean, Islam, I mean, they literally have a group within each one
of these religions pulling them further and further away from their doctrine.
To have this whole anything goes mentality. So this is actually a cult indoctrination,
what we're seeing here with the queerness, with the whole environmental sustainability.
You know, you just mentioned James Lindsay. I love that he stood up in front
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in the UN in Geneva and the WHO and said, hey, this is a religion of inclusivity
and sustainability because that's really what it is.
They have two objectives to save the earth, which they believe we're going to
destroy and save humanity, which they think they're going to do by having all
of these inclusive beliefs and this global one brain that all thinks the same way.
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You know, I do remember that you did have that cult experience.
And I was a member of the Church of Scientology for a while.
And there, you know, I learned a lot and it helped me a lot.
But at the same time, I definitely experienced the effects of what I would call
a subversion of speech, the redefinition of words in order to actually change my worldview.
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And there's different aspects of it. It definitely would file under a type of brainwashing.
And then you're going back to the spiritual aspect of this.
And that is very important because we are spiritual beings having a physical
experience, not physical beings having a spiritual experience.
And while some of our listeners might consider themselves agnostic or atheistic
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or of one religion or another.
We have to realize that the core of our being, which is dealt with in that area,
you know, some might be more inclined towards like calling it psychology or whatever. But,
that is what is going to change our trajectory, our intellectual trajectory.
And then when it comes to, and I think that there's a lot to be said for the
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fact that, you know, once we broach the subject of spirituality, this is a spiritual war.
And in order to confront what's happening, like you said, you know,
we need to look at, for instance, in that area, what is happening to our religious
institutions that they are going in that trajectory.
As a gay person, you know, I get it. I'm a somewhat religious person.
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I've been a member of many different churches, different religions.
And, you know, there's one thing that I think that I really expect out of a
religious institution is that they hold the ground to whatever their teaching is.
They teach it in love, but I'm there to conform to that teaching.
I'm not there to have them conform to me, to change what they're supposed to
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stand for, for the sake of inclusivity, if that's not in their doctrine,
because like you were just pointing out,
this is what it looks like when they are moving further to the left.
And, you know, I don't like seeing, you know, gay pride flags hanging from churches.
I used to actually attend the largest gay church in the country in Dallas.
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And some of the things I saw there, and I had a falling out with them,
and I had a confrontation with the preacher a bit.
And I just want to touch on that because I think this is where it would fit.
There was a church tour and everybody walked through this gay church.
It was a metropolitan church of Christ or unified church or something like that.
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And in the pastor's office at one point, you're looking at furry pink handcuffs sitting on the shelf.
And then you You know, you see all this, like, you see, like,
you know, kind of insinuations of gay sex toys or gay life in that context placed
into a church basically baptizing kink in the name of gay Christianity.
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And I just couldn't, I couldn't believe it. I was like, wow,
this is like the highest form of, like, sacrilege and blasphemy that I could imagine.
And it's not that I don't want, you know, gays to have a home in a church where
they can, you know, find their spirituality.
Spirituality but again conforming the church around that
you know be not conformed on unto the
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world or you know and so i think that is
really getting to the heart of how they are you know
they're getting us intellectually early in school in that way they're getting
us spiritually they're getting us culturally and socially and then they're codifying
it all into this you know toward a social credit score and it really is just
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a means of luring people down
the path to becoming little robots,
little peasants on the field of the New World Order.
Yep, absolutely. 100% correct. And that's a great representation of exactly
what you're talking about.
I think people don't understand it because they don't, a lot of people don't
understand kind of ancient religion, right?
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When you get into, there's in hermeticism, there's called the law of gender.
And they literally believe that every person, kind of similar to what you were
saying, but in a different way, but that you're a spiritual mind,
and you're only a mind, right?
Trapped in a physical body having a human experience. But if you are a mind
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that has two energies, male and female, right, that they believe,
that hermenecists believe, and that you're, you didn't choose this body.
Here's where the Gnosticism come in, right?
You didn't choose this body and how it's represented, right?
And maybe you identify with one of those spirits more than the other.
Like, what's the big deal in mutilating your body to make it look more like
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the spirit that you identify with? And so I think a lot of people don't understand
the roots of a lot of this stuff go way, way back into ancient mystical religions.
And what they're seeing manifest right now is just the modern representation of that.
Exactly. The ancient Gnostics, and this is relevant for people who don't understand,
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call esoteric practices at the highest levels of the United Nations,
of, you know, Klaus Schwab and friends, you know.
They do believe in this. So whether or not you subscribe to it,
you know, these teachings do include concepts like you have a maybe a masculine
physical body and a feminine etheric body or, you know, the left brain is more logical,
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masculine, and the right brain is more creative, feminine.
And but if we get inverted about the order of things, you know,
there may be, you know, sound spiritual foundation for some of these things.
But the intentional inversion of these principles is what keeps us from looking
up towards God versus turning our eyes down towards the devil in a way.
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And we find ourselves more ingrained in egotism and, you know,
what they would term like a Luciferian way of thinking.
And so, you know, for most people who don't think in those terms,
that's really foreign, but it is actually at the heart of the unseen spiritual battle that we're in.
If you do enough research, I think you come to that. Yeah. And I think what
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you're saying about it being Luciferian, it's very blasphemous.
It's really at the end of the day, these people think that they're God and actually
to become more like God is to realize you're not just one sex or another, right?
It's to incorporate all of it because God, they believe God is both male and female.
And so you're actually getting in touch with your divine self, right?
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And becoming like God because they really believe, especially with New Thought,
right? And we've seen this happen.
Oprah has hosted every single one of these leaders on her show,
and they're called the evolutionary leaders, to say that, you know,
you can actually affect your physical reality and manifest things through your mind.
And so when you talk about this being Luciferian, I mean, it literally is because
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what happened got Lucifer got cast down because he wanted to challenge God and say that I'm God.
And so this is what's happening is it's all of these religions who think they're just being empathetic.
What they're doing is buying into a whole nother faith that believes that you
can become like God if you just think in the right way.
You know, I do a lot of spiritual podcasts on the side.
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I do a lot of other things. And, you know, I think there is a lot of similarities,
particularly if you were going to discuss things through, for instance,
a Christian lens when it comes to this, you know, new thought or these new age
teachings when it comes to, OK, this is how you handle yourself psychologically.
And, you know, a lot of that stuff has a very biblical basis.
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The problem is it becomes materialistic. It doesn't become spiritual in the
way that these principles ought to be used.
And that is what I think is driving people inward into this selfish,
me-centered world where the narcissism is flourishing.
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And that's where we see things like, hey, I'm a Zeezer and everybody needs to call me a Zeezer.
If you don't, you're a bigot. Instead of seeing your role in the bigger picture,
instead of seeing how your thoughts ought to be used, I mean,
in a spiritual sense, your thoughts should be prayers.
And yes, we could talk about manifestation and things in a biblical sense,
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but there's definitely a unbiblical, unspiritual, I think, based on all the
religions that I've studied, which I studied them all.
And so it is a very fine line. And I see why people will say,
well, this is legit and there is legitimacy in certain spiritual contexts,
but it's not being handled in that way anymore.
And it is going in a destructive way.
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Of course, these are just my opinions. These are not the opinions of Gays Against
Groomers. We're not a spiritual organization.
We're not a political organization.
But all of these concepts, these
are things that human beings have to work with, have to struggle with.
And that's the context in which this battle is taking place,
particularly when we talk in terms of the world economic forum and where they're
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coming from, because that's the source of this.
Well, I think you bring up an important point is that, and I keep saying this,
right? This is not a left versus right issue.
This is not a conservative versus liberal issue.
This is a freedom and liberty versus control and totalitarian issue.
Because, you know, what we're saying is all right, right? Like,
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the religious stuff we're talking about is not the opinion of deities against grim reapers.
Because really, none of it is. Like, I don't, it's none of my business what
you worship, Robert, similar to me or your audience.
The point is that we have a cognitive liberty to choose that.
And that's where this is a problem, right? Because we're being forced to cognitive
coercion, propaganda, the education stuff, the stuff we see going on in business.
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We're constantly being bartered with these messages that is messing with our
cognitive liberty to choose to think and believe the way that we want.
And that's the beauty of America.
And this is why they hate America, because our First Amendment protects that.
And what they want to do is institute a state-sanctioned religion and say,
no, you guys all have to believe the same thing.
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Obey, obey, obey. It's like that movie, you know, where they have some glasses and it says.
You know, obey and he sees what's going on. He takes them off.
Everything's just normal.
But it's like he's being bombarded without even me knowing it,
that he needs to follow what everyone else is doing.
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And I think that's the beauty of America, the diversity of America.
We all came here. We all said, hey, we all come from different backgrounds.
We all have different religious beliefs. And the reason that we separated church
and state was so that the government wouldn't be able to institute something
and say, you have to follow this.
And they also could protect our both private and public representation of those religious beliefs.
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And so we're falling into a situation now where that's not the case.
The government is very much trying to suppress our speech, very much try to
get us to conform to a particular way of thinking about things.
And again, with the forced use of pronouns, the forced use of masks,
the forced use of, I mean, literally anything, right? But they use empathy.
And this is kind of go full circle about what our conversation is about. They use empathy.
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They use compassion. And they use this whole idea of, don't you want this person
to feel included in the human race to get us to think that for us to believe
a certain way is wrong. When no, that's freedom.
We should be able to celebrate the fact that anybody can believe what they want.
I mean, the Gnostics should be able to believe what they want.
The New Thought people, great, believe what you want, but don't force it on me.
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And that's where the situation where we have to protect our cognitive liberty
and the Constitution above all things.
Absolutely. Well, that is a great note to end the show on.
And I so appreciate you coming on here today and going into all of these subjects.
And I know we went into everything.
I think we hit almost everything, more than we usually do.
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And so, Lisa Logan, will you again give everybody your social media contacts
so they can follow up with you? I'd love to.
You can find me on YouTube at Parents of Patriot. You can find me on Substack
at Education Manifesto, and I'm on Twitter at I am Lisa Logan.
You most certainly are, Lisa Logan.
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So this is Robert Wallace. This, again, is a Gays Against Groomers production.
If you'd like to follow up with us, go to GaysAgainstGroomers.com. Follow us on Twitter.
You can contact us, myself in particular, by just emailing podcast at GaysAgainstGroomers.com
if you have any questions or follow up or you want to suggest a guest.
And until next week, thank you for joining us and be well.
Welcome to the Dark Side of the Rainbow. This is Robert Wallace,
and this is a Gaze Against Groomers production.
Today, we have a very important and specialized guest in an area that we often
discuss, which is that area of social-emotional learning.
Lisa Logan, how are you? I'm great, Robert. How are you? I'm fantastic.
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Well, Elisa is a specialist in the field of SEL studies, and she also participated
in the documentary Beneath Sheep's Clothing, where we also had an appearance,
myself on behalf of Gays Against Groomers.
And this is an area where the subversion of speech is actually weakening our
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ability to protect kids.
Would you give the audience a little introduction and then maybe a little primer into what is SEL?
Well, I'm happy to be here today and talk to your audience, Robert.
So at the end of the day, I am just a mom of three kids.
I got into this because I started going to school board meetings and realized
something was very, very wrong when I saw what they were doing with social emotional
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learning in schools and ended up getting involved. They realized they needed a platform.
So I started my YouTube channel, Parents of Patriots, and started putting out
videos about what this program specifically they were using in my child's school
and actually one of the biggest programs around the nation called Second Step
and how they were teaching kids critical theory schools,
one of them being queer theory, which is why I'm on your show today.
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And just kind of it went from there.
I realized this is kind of a much bigger problem, started talking about,
you know, the United Nations and how they're involved and basically how this
is setting up a social credit score for children, which is kind of the end result of all this, right?
They want to control what we say, what we do, how to be groupthink,
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right? And then who gets to decide what that groupthink is.
So I have my YouTube channel, like I said, Parents Patriots.
I have a sub stack called Education Manifesto.
And your audience can find me at IamLisaLogan on Twitter, right?
It's all sorts of these things. Excellent.
So... Or it's what social emotional learning is, right? Because you asked me
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to kind of give a primer on what that is.
So, it's basically a mental health program there. Well, it's going to fall under
the, you know, we're saving kids mental health umbrella, right?
Which is actually causing more problems and we'll discuss how in a minute.
But they brought brought this into schools to teach kids what they said
is empathy how to have relationships with other
people how to you know have more of
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a self-identity of who they were and and
how to basically live and interact in the world which we could all agree that
is a good thing to do right but but I think where the red flags went off for
me as a parent where I was like wait you're teaching my kids attitudes values
and beliefs and I thought as the parent you know and you know as a,
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mother of my offspring that it's my husband and I's job to do that.
And so I think that's where when I saw how they were teaching the values,
attitudes, and beliefs, and how it was being used to get kids to adopt certain
progressive ideologies, this is where things kind of went south.
You know, when it comes to manipulating children in a coercive way through,
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you know, these story problem type situations where they are subtly indoctrinated
with different themes in a way that's made to be very normal.
And it's in a way that doesn't even address the fact that they're introducing
new themes into the conversation.
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They're really just acting like it's always been there and making it very normal.
You know, sometimes we hear like, oh, they're making like really compassionate
statements or whatever, or really like broad-minded framing of questions.
However, this is leading towards a new mindset,
a mindset which says that you are a problem and we need to work on equity,
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inclusion, beyond just accepting what is to the point of everybody submitting
themselves to a new way of thinking.
What is the way of thinking that they're trying Really, it's kind of an anything-go
kind of way of thinking, right?
What they do through social-emotional learning, through circle times,
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and when they discuss empathy and bullying.
And I want to say, you know, kids are naturally empathetic, right?
They naturally care about people.
Most kids, right, when they see it kind of on the playground,
they're playing by themselves or whatever. They want to help them feel included. Right.
And I think this is where things get a little sticky, right?
Because kids are being bullied in school who are different, right?
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Maybe kids who are experiencing gender dysphoria.
And then they use that kind of angle, like, oh, look to see that,
you know, society is bullying them and the whole institutions are set up against
them to get kids to believe that, one,
this is not a mental illness that the kid is experiencing at the time and that
they actually need help. We should have compassion for those kids.
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And that, too, it's completely normal and an absolute truth that you can actually
change your sex, which is biologically impossible.
Each cell of your body has an X or a Y chromosome.
So it's actually physically impossible to change your sex and to believe that you are that sex.
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And then, like you were just saying, Robert, that this is completely normal,
that we've always had many, many people identifying as transgender and cutting
off their healthy body parts and all these other things when this is actually
not the case. And in fact, you know, it's interesting.
My daughter was questioning the other day why my son had brought up,
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oh, you know, they have a trans character in this cartoon show. And my daughter's 11.
And she was like, why is that wrong? And I said, honey, because they're trying
to normalize this for you guys. And granted, right now, you are seeing an influx
of kids identifying this, but this is not organic.
This is not just like all of a sudden, you know, something's happening in their bodies.
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And it's being, as we see now, because we're in Pride Month,
kind of normalized to this, what we call the mere exposure effect.
The more you're exposed to something, the more you think it's just a regular
thing to happen in the world, right? And you start to accept it more.
And they're trying to get kids to accept that this is natural and this is okay.
And it's just a regular thing for someone to be confused about their sex when
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it's actually something that people go through and then they need actual assistance and help.
Well, I love that you bring up the mere exposure effect.
I've from time to time brought that up. I became privy to this from Robbie Starbucks's
explanation of it in The War on Children, which you appear in.
And I can't find, I can't think of a better kind of explanation of what is indoctrination
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than really what SEL is all about.
Wow. This is a very subtle way to make people think that certain things are normal that are not.
Can you give us some examples of SEL in action in the classroom?
Well, and that's the thing where I started with all of this again with second
step was that I was like, I want to see what my kids learning in school.
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Like, can you show me like I went into the ministry?
You have to as a parent. It's like you can just go look at it online.
Right. And I'll get to why that's a problem in a moment. it.
But I was like, I want to see what they're saying in these values,
attitudes, and beliefs that you're teaching because does it align with our family's
values, right? The stuff that we've been bringing our kids up with.
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And I went in and they put all these binders on the table and I'm looking through
it and it's not too bad, right?
I looked at the K-5 because they were implementing it in the middle school that
my kid was going to be going to.
They were part of a three-year implementation process that they adopted it.
And I spent a couple hours there looking through the binders and I was like,
yeah, this doesn't look so bad.
And then I went home and an interesting thing happened.
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A teacher at the middle school that my son was going to quit over having to teach this material.
He said he saw a video and there was like a BLM march in it.
And there was a kid and he was in a boy who was in full makeup talking about
transgenderism and bullying and all of these things. And I was like, a video?
I didn't see a video. I asked to see all the materials. They didn't tell me
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that there was a video component to this program.
And so I go back in with another mom. We spent over 30 hours looking at the
curriculum and you start seeing little things pop up, right?
When they start talking about identity, you know, they're sort of saying,
I'm, I'm a girl, you know, I have brown skin.
I, you know, like different varying things about themselves.
And, and this whole idea of LGBTQIA kept coming up quite a bit.
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And in one particular bullying session, like I said, the teacher saw about,
you know, being empathetic and not bullying people.
There is a boy sitting there in full makeup talking about how he was being bullied
and framing it as, you know, it was a problem, like a school culture problem,
right? That they don't accept transgender kids.
And again, I 100% don't believe that we should bully people, period.
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But they were using it as a way to kind of touch at the heartstrings of the
kids to say, oh, it's so unfortunate that this person's not accepted,
even though they're just different.
I think also, and I think the ways that they get kids to empathize with it,
and they have these circle times, right, where they kind of talk about things
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in school that they're upset about.
And so it's facilitated by the teacher, right? It's to kind of bring the kids
together in what they call belonging, longing kind of way to like form like
a safe space for these kids to talk.
And so essentially, these circle times have turned into confession sessions,
right, where they're talking about all sorts of things that their parents don't know about.
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And it's actually can be very damaging. So people have brought up abuse in these circle times.
I had one parent tell me of a fourth that one kid
in her group had talked about how his
mom was parents divorced and now his mom was drinking and seeing other people
and you know there's like invulnerability breeds vulnerability so all these
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kids start talking about very sensitive subjects and they all were crying by
the end of the session and so this this breaks down and you can see how it kind
of be very scary right you're.
You're talking about what you believe or what you're going through in a group of your peers.
There's the ability for those values to be deconstructed right there, right?
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If someone believes you're bigoted or if you believe something that's different
from them, that's not inclusive, that they can then break that down in front of their peers.
And you feel like you're forced to do it because everyone else is.
And so this is a way to kind of expose people's religious values and beliefs
and then have those be pointed at as being too individualistic and not healthy, right?
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When this is very damaging for kids mentally to go through that whole process
because they grow up in their tribe, their family, right?
Where their beliefs are solidified and they feel very close to those people
that they can depend on them at what they tell them is true.
And when they go to school and these beliefs are deconstructed by the teacher,
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by the circle time, despite whatever it is, when they start talking about these
subjects in school, they can feel betrayed by their parents.
And then you have a disassociative split, right?
The kid's one way at school and one way at home, and it breaks down those family
structures, which causes mental health problems.
So what we're seeing is this mental health crisis maybe isn't what they're trying to tell us, right?
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Maybe the solution to what they say the mental health crisis is,
is actually the problem. Wow.
You know, that kind of reminds me of something that James Lindsay,
who was just on, was talking to me about, which is the bitterness sessions that
were done over in Maoist China in order to get children to.
It's like it makes me think of like a toxic therapy, you know,
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you know, therapy is good when you when you rehash things, you go over them
and you start to deconstruct and understand.
But when you're in the midst of that vulnerability and you start to insert new
ideas, that's when you start reprogramming of sorts.
Makes me think of like a poisoned apple, some of this stuff.
You know, it's like taking a bite. Like you said, you went over 30,
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you spent 30 hours going over this content and just sprinkled here and there
are little bits of untruths or ideological concepts that are being insinuated.
Do you have any experience talking with parents who have immediate effects from this?
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Maybe their kids come home and they find that the root of a problem that their
kids bring in with them is what their teacher has been feeding them in this
way. Yes, and I think it's much more than an SEL problem.
Again, what's happening with social emotional learning is they're making it systemic, right?
So they're making it a project that almost the whole school has to undergo in
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order to make their environment more inclusive and socially emotionally supportive.
And so there's a combination of things going on, right? Maybe that child expresses
some kind of confusion in that circle time.
That then gets floated to a school counselor, right? Who wants to meet with
them privately to talk about these things.
And maybe that kid said, hey, I don't know if my parents would be cool with,
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you know, me thinking that I'm another gender.
And this is where this snowballs, right? And I actually have met many parents
who've unfortunately gone through this. It's January, little John in Florida has gone through this.
I have a friend in Kansas, probably wouldn't want me putting him out there that
has gone through this and slowly has had to nourish their kids back to health
because they've been secretly transitioned at school.
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And a lot of times it starts with these SDL lessons where they're planting seeds
in the kid's mind that maybe the uncomfortableness that they're feeling in their
body is that changes through puberty,
or maybe the feeling of aloneness that they're having, or whatever it is, right?
That maybe it's not attributed to the things that they are attributed to,
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but that they're attributed maybe to the fact that they're in the wrong body
and they're lying to themselves, right? And they're having to put on a show.
And so this is where these seeds are planted and grown and fertilized is in
that this school culture where it's okay to change your gender or think you're a different sex.
And then the kids feel that maybe because their parents are not going to accept
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them, that now their school becomes their family, that becomes their tribe.
And unfortunately, it causes all sorts of problems, right? I think the one mom
in Kansas, the daughter started cutting herself.
I mean, this whole dissociation that we just talked about, it's very,
very damaging to children.
And I think that's not a conversation we're having enough.
Right. What do you think, as
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far as the, we're really dealing with the normalization of mental illness.
And, you know, when a person becomes an adult, you know, they can go and take
whatever path that they want.
But during the formative years, whether young children, impressionable,
under the care of responsible adults, and they are supposed to be cultivated
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in a way of right thinking.
Instead, they're actually not just having mental illness affirmed,
but they're having it installed in their head.
How are we going to protect children without straight up taking them out of
school and homeschooling them?
Where should parents begin when it comes to their school boards or looking over
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schoolwork or confronting teachers?
I think it starts with the relationship with your child. And I just mentioned,
you know, my kids and I talk a lot about, I try to point out to them,
like, look, do you see kind of how they're manipulating this situation to have
you believe a certain way?
And a lot of times I start with just kind of other subjects that they do understand, right?
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I've never seen the show on TLC, I think it's called My Strange Addiction,
where people all of a sudden will be eating rocks or I mean,
Something traumatic happens that triggers this weird addiction,
whatever that is, eating common.
I think there's even somebody who eats baby powder, drinks gasoline.
And when you see those things, you don't say, hey, that's normal for you to do that.
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You eat food and water, right?
So I think talking to your kids about this stuff and relating stuff to them
that they see that they can understand is important.
And then showing them how this, they're being propagandized.
And my kids will now come to me and say, hey, you know,
look, mom, when I turn on Minecraft, look at the message.
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They're saying Black Lives Matter, or I turn on this other game that I'm playing,
and there's a rainbow character that's being promoted out because it's free.
They're going to give it to you free.
And so they start seeing little things because I think kids are very sensitive
to, especially if they start to get a little older and they want to start breaking
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away from mom and dad and think for themselves,
you have to start pointing out how the world wants them to think a certain way
and all the different tools they use to advertise or propagandize to them.
And so I think it first starts with having that great relationship with your child.
And I say this all the time to parents, you know, they ask these,
you know, when I go talk somewhere and they say, well, what can we do?
And I say, have dinner with your children every single night.
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Make sure they know that you're a part of their, that you have inside jokes
and they feel like a part of your tribe because they're not going to go looking
for something else out there if they feel like they belong right,
right where they are in your family.
And so I think it's important to have it. And it's unfortunate, right?
A lot of parents don't want to have these conversations with their kid as early
as we now have to, because they go out in the world and they see this stuff everywhere.
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But we have to have those conversations and know that they can come to us about anything.
So that's number one. As far as the community, what Stacy and I did,
this other mom, I mean, we went out there, we put a report out.
Raising awareness is always a big deal, right? When you can point to, hey, this lesson,
and in our case, the clincher for second step in our district and why our school
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district board voted it out, which I think we've been been one of the only school
districts in the country that's been able to kick this program out,
is that they were directing 12 and 13-year-olds to sexual content.
And I think this is where, I mean, we talk about the gays against groomers and,
you know, I mean, really what they are is grooming children.
And the way they do that is by shocking their system through this sexual content.
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And a lot of this comes through, unfortunately, this idea that we want LGBTQA
plus kids included in not bullying.
And so that's why they're having books being read in schools that talk about this stuff.
It's part of the normalization process, but a lot of times it shocks them, right?
So this particular program was directing kids to a website that talked about,
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am I still a feminist if I'm into BDSM?
Or how to get a self-safety managed medical abortion, or revenge porn.
I mean, they were sexualizing the kids early and early. And I think that point
in the community is something that everyone can rally around,
because I think we all don't, We all want kids to be kids as long as we possibly can, right?
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And our job as adults is to protect them, like you said, right?
We teach them, hey, don't take candy from strangers.
Don't get in a stranger's car if they tell you that they're going to look for
their lost puppy because, you know, you are so empathetic.
Like, our job is to protect them from the different things and to show them
how they can be manipulated.
And so I think you're getting your community to understand what's going on and
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how these kids are being sexualized too early. a very strong rallying point we can all get around.
And I think as far as legislators go, I think it's just the same thing, right?
You have to show them how their job as legislators is to protect the community and our rights.
So the problem with a lot of this stuff is it is infringing on our rights.
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It's infringing on our rights of free speech.
Because if you are forced to say pronouns, for instance, right,
to say someone has different pronouns because they identify as a different sex,
and you don't really believe that in your mind, but your speech is being forced,
that's a First Amendment violation.
You know, protecting kids in locker rooms and bathrooms from possible assault, right?
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And for women's sports, right, that we fought so hard, right,
for women to have their own sports so that we can participate safely and be
able to actually compete because men are naturally stronger than women.
It's their job to protect those rights. And I think if we point out how our
rights are being violated and And the different ways that they can protect us,
I think that's a hugely important tool in this fight as well.
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That's a lot of really good advice, and I appreciate you going into these different
areas to describe those.
You know, we have these methods of sexualizing kids.
I say we, I mean the activist teachers, okay, the adult humans among us who are doing such things.
And it has that effect of causing like a micro trauma on them.
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I mean, as a small child myself, you know, seeing certain very advanced themes
that, you know, adults who've been doing the thing for a long time,
thought nothing of was completely shocking and appalling to me,
my innocent little heart, you know, and in those little micro traumas,
it's kind of, again, like the toxic therapy I was kind of, you know, referring to,
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you've got a vulnerable person, you're sowing in an idea.
They're in a moment of shock it creates the beginning
of a sexual awakening like now they become privy to
you know they go to a drag the pride parade and you know there's that guy in
his underwear you know just twerking everywhere or you know people half-dressed
and it's like what is so appealing to them as you start to connect the dots
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you start to tap into the whole spheres, sexual thinking.
So what is the damage of having a child becoming sexualized prematurely?
All sorts of things, right?
Early sexual activity, I think.
Like we're talking about confusion. I mean, they, they're not mature enough
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in their brains yet to understand how to a, you know, protect themselves from sexual harm, right?
Whether that be in a sexual relationship and have those boundaries, right?
That you learn as an adult, when you're in a healthy sexual relationship,
you know, there's boundaries and there's, there's different,
you know, you have to say, you know, respect your body, say yes to certain things,
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no to certain things like protect yourself, right? And also from pregnancy.
Kids who engage in this stuff early tend to get pregnant early, actually.
So I grew up in California in an area called Santa Ana. And I had friends at
14 years old get pregnant.
It's because they were expecting, like they had older brothers or fathers that watched pornography.
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They're exposed to this stuff super, super early. We lived in an area where
it was very common, actually.
And fortunately, Unfortunately, I had friends be raped and stuff like that on the street.
And so anything, you know, whether you're exposed to it through a book,
through movies, through, you know, someone, something, somebody left on television
or a magazine that you find under your dad's bed or whatever it is,
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like kids are very curious and they're very suggestible.
And so when you expose kids to this kind of stuff early, yes,
you're saying exactly right.
And when you do it in a group, you know, whether it be at school or,
you know, as they do it on TikTok, right?
They're all kind of rallying around these types of ideas. They're being trauma bonded.
And so again, they're feeling more like those people in my family,
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those people understand me, those people get me more than my family who raised
me, who probably really has my best interest at heart. Exactly.
Trauma bonded. And I know I asked you a very broad general question.
Why shouldn't kids be sexualized early? I mean, we all know the answer to that,
which is why we're even interested in protecting children.
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I think at the crux, too, of this, like you said, being opened up to sexual
abuse is, you know, one of the unfortunate effects.
I'm sure, you know, most of these activist teachers, you know,
many of them, I don't know, most maybe,
I assume, do not have any intentions of, you know, doing any sort of sexual
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activity with the child, Even though unwittingly, perhaps they think they're
doing a society a justice by normalizing this.
They have they have created a child who has mentally prepared themselves or
become more open to being abused and not only keeping it quiet,
but maybe even, you know, appreciating it or, you know, somehow feeling like,
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you know, it's OK. Right. Right.
When you talk about trauma bonding, I think that's another buzz term here that
really connects a lot of this together, because even at the school level where
they're just talking about these, again,
you know, perverted ideas and they need not be like necessarily perverted as
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in like, oh, that woman is not dressed completely.
But the idea has been perverted from the wholesome concept in some way, however small. all.
And in that way, we're changing to the trajectory of their thinking and building new synapses.
And we know that porn, for instance, is destructive to the brain.
And yet this is being taught like in the books we got at the schools.
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They're saying gays need this sort of literature in order to have sound sexual development.
That's pretty slanderous to people who, you know, might consider themselves
gay and think I didn't need any kind of porn in order to develop correctly.
What do they think of gay people really in the way that they're teaching?
Well, and that's a very important point that you make, Robert,
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because I've been saying all along, and I know quite a few other people have as well.
I know there's a gay man in the Libertarian Party or the other.
No, you talk about a lot of Republicans here. That's what party he's in, but he's a gay man.
And he's been showing up at these legislative meetings speaking very loudly
against all the same things that all of us were speaking against,
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you know, the sexual stuff in the books and the whole transgenders and sports issue.
I mean, all of it, like he's been showing up. And I remember,
and he's actually great at things, right?
He does the cross-dressing as Lady Maga, you know, at different events.
And I remember when I first met him, he said to me, you know,
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when I was a little kid, I used to like pink and play with Barbie.
And he's like, it occurs to me that if I was growing up today,
that someone would have told me that I was in the wrong body and convinced me
to cut off my healthy body parts and in the hopes that I could change into a girl.
And he's like, when I'm perfectly happy being a gay man who dresses in drag.
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And it's true, right? And I think what people aren't zeroing in on is this is
actually conversion therapy. You know, there was a whole uproar.
And I've grown up with many gay friends. I was a dance major in college.
Most of my male friends were gay.
And so I really see this from this perspective, because what they're doing,
a lot of these kids who do have confusion about their sex and experiencing gender dysphoria,
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there's been studies done over years, right, that 90% of them,
if you just left them alone,
no pressure either way, right, they would either grow out of it and realize
that they're perfectly happy being heterosexual, or they turn into somebody
who understood that they were homosexual. sexual.
And what we're doing with this whole transgender phase is basically converting
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someone who might just become homosexual or grow out of it into someone who
wants to cut off their healthy body parts.
And it's not driven because they really care about these kids,
but you can see how this is a money-making opportunity for all the people promoting
puberty blocker surgery, the cost insurance companies, lots and lots of money.
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You can see that this is actually a really huge perversion and a conversion
therapy for people who might just be kind of straight.
You know, that raises, I think, a really interesting point. If we look back,
the way homosexuals used to be handled was conversion therapy.
And then up until about five years ago, you know, we had a pretty chunky window
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where we were just accepting what was.
We were just accepting that people were gay and then just let them be gay.
And hopefully they, behave as normally as possible and we'll all get along.
And now we're in this new thing pointing toward the future of more conversion therapy.
But it's going in the other direction. Instead of suppressing, it's exacerbating.
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It's making it worse and it's turning it, it's evolving it into this next stage. You're transgender.
You're one of 80 different queer varietals. And so it's It's gone from mental
health problem, I can't express or find myself,
to mental health problem, I think I'm all these things and I have no idea which
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one I am or I can become or I will be tomorrow.
It seems like a mental abuse scandal that can only be dealt with if we get to
the crux of issues like what we're talking about,
the indoctrination of these ideas via tools like social emotional learning through
things like the trauma bonding and the manipulation of the dialogue.
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So do you think that if we're going to clean the situation up,
we're going to need to a wreck house and start again?
Do we maybe need to look at purging certain elements or taking the kids out of school completely?
I mean, the system's corrupted. The kids are there. They're experiencing this.
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We've got to put an end to it. You've mentioned many things that we can do from
different angles to do something about that.
What's the quickest way a parent, other than maybe talking to them,
which is something that I think we need to talk on a little bit more,
what they can do to stop that influence.
I think it's different for every kid and every situation, right?
I think there are some kids that are more vulnerable to indoctrination than
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others, right? They're already a little more insured themselves.
Maybe they're awkward, you know, in their social relationships or whatever it
could be, right, based on their personality.
And I'd say those kids definitely take them out or if they're young,
because it's one thing to have a conversation with an 11-year-old or,
you know, I have a 14-year-old and a 17-year-old.
It's one thing to have conversations with kids that are that old about this
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stuff, but when they're three, five, just entering school,
They can't distinguish, right, what's truth and what's not true.
And so I think if they're really young and I think if they are vulnerable to
this stuff, definitely take them out if you're a parent.
I think you have to read the situation and kind of know what's best in your family's case.
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I don't know what to do. I don't know if you can, like, blow up the whole thing and start over.
I mean, the point that I want to make is that this is being driven from many
different angles. This whole idea that we need this in schools.
And I actually really wanted to talk to you about why I reposted it,
but it's something that I like posted about probably about a year ago,
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about this, this organization that's partnered with the World Economic Forum and the UN,
the United Nations called PGLE, which stands for Partnership for Global LGBTQ Equality.
And so this is a group of 14 companies.
And the reason this clip that I put out got such a stir, and I think quite a
few other really, kind of really bigger news organizations used it,
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was that it was this woman called Beth Marciniak.
She's an Ernst & Young executive, or former one anyways, that was on stage at
Business for Social Responsibility Conference. conference.
And the guy was asking her about PGLE. And she said, yeah, well,
backstage in Davos, you know, a long time ago, President Biden came up to us
and said, you know, well, sorry, he was the vice president at the time,
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but President Biden came up to them and said,
you know, I can't, government cannot do what you companies can,
you're going to have to change the world on this issue.
And the reason we're seeing so much of this in schools, it's because there is
a school to workforce pipeline.
There was a law passed in 2015 called the Every Student Succeeds Act,
And it made it so that we had to align what we were teaching in K-12 to post-secondary education.
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And then now there's been all sorts of like, you know, WOIA,
which are all these programs that basically said, hey, we're preparing children
for their workforce and college and career readiness.
So a lot of this is being driven by that. Because if you look at companies,
which are now under this cartel, where the banks and investors have now partnered
together with the businesses and kind of governments of these public-private partnership,
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and they basically said, hey, if you want capital so that your business can survive.
You got to do X, Y, and Z. And really, it's you got to do ESG, right?
Environmental, social, and governance. You got to report back to us on these
ways that you are implementing these things that help these things along,
which is really just the United Nations Sustainable Development Goal.
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So businesses have to report to these banks and investors like,
hey, I put out a pride clothing line, or I featured a transgender influencer
like Dylan Mulvaney for my ads,
or I, you know, gosh, I donated money to this organization who supports LGBTQA plus rights.
So they have to physically show these banks and investors that they're doing
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all these things in order to get money to actually make it as a business.
And so this is this is operating in like huge, I mean, you can see huge RICO violations here.
Like, it's basically there, They've
created this ring of tasks that these companies have to do to make it.
And this is where all this is stemming from, because then if you let that trickle
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down, right, and the colleges then were preparing, you know,
and that's where they kind of have introduced this stuff anyways,
right, through critical studies,
queer theory, critical theories, all these other things, race,
critical race theories, to try to expand the kid's mind.
But, you know, the colleges have been infiltrated by a lot of these radical
academic type professors who push this stuff in their classes.
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So kids, you know, leave the nest of their home, go to college,
and then they're activated, right, to be social justice activists.
But then that also now has been trickled down to K-12, where if we're preparing
kids for college and career readiness, they have to have the ESG.
And actually, it's interesting, SEL, the way they're collecting data with social
emotional learning is the score that will eventually serve as their social credit score.
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So companies are now talking about hiring new candidates, you know,
out of college or whatever, based on these ESG factors.
Are they inclusive enough? Do they have these mindsets where they're inclusive enough?
And this is a scary trajectory, right? Because we're, you know,
talking about discrimination, right?
In America, where we should have freedom of religion, freedom of thought,
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we're now setting up kids to be in a situation where if they don't buy into
these attitudes, values, and beliefs that they want them to have,
they may not be able to have a future.
Well, I am just so excited that you brought that up.
That is one of my most favorite subjects that we just don't get in depth enough about.
And that is, where is this coming from top down?
And anybody who's seen these clips that you're referring to from the World Economic
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Forum will be able to recognize what you're talking about.
It is definitely a top-down operation with standards put in place that is causing
these organizations and these different teachers unions and all the way down.
This is how it's getting to the kids.
And so if the goal of the World Economic Forum is to build back better,
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great reset, new world order, one world government,
okay, and they want a whole society under that purview, and this is what they're
spreading through the whole world, then this movement,
if you want to call it that, is really taking over everything from every direction,
which is something that you've been talking about.
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It is coming from every direction.
And yet we can't seem to figure out where is the source and the sources and
the policies that are ruling the companies above them, you know,
above us, above them and above them all the way up to the top.
So this is a one world government problem.
And, you know, I think that probably will quickly get outside the scope of what
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we're dealing with, because now we're not just talking about how do we protect
our individual child or how do we try to keep our school free from it?
But how do we stop, you know, get at the eye of the dragon, you know,
as you might put it, as one might put it.
So because it seems like it might be beyond our reach, it might be beyond the
(37:25):
reach of our politicians.
Maybe we need to spend more time promoting the actual cause of this disease. What do you think?
Yeah. And I think we have to start identifying it for what it is,
because it's not just business policy. And I think that's where a lot of people kind of go wrong.
We're identifying it as an economic problem when it really is a spiritual and religious problem.
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So it's not just a one world government. They want a one world religion.
And I think when we have to start looking at it that way, because I think it
changes our perspective when we're talking about helping our kids understand
what's going on around them. You know, so I'm going to share a secret with you, Robert.
Well, it's not too much of a secret because some people know,
but I was a part of a cult for seven years.
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And so the reason I recognize this stuff so readily is because from about 16
to the time I was 23 and I'm 44 now.
I was a part of a religious cult called the International Church of Christ.
And so I went through the brainwashing process.
And it took me seeing a lot of inconsistencies in the religion that I was a
part of to realize I needed to leave at the age of 23.
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I think a lot of things kind of helped those along. But we're not looking at
just a indoctrination thing.
We're looking at a literal brainwashing problem.
And I think we have to have that changes us in two ways, right?
It helps us have compassion for the people promoting this. because they've literally been brainwashed.
And so you're looking at a deprogramming situation, right? More than anything
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else, right? It's not like I hate you because you think these things.
It's like, wow, you've been really brainwashed.
Like this has come at you from all sides and now you've adopted these beliefs.
And so how do we as a society kind of help people out of that brainwashing?
But then understanding that along with this whole push to accept queerness and
all these kinds of things, it comes very much in line and is connected to the interfaith movement.
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So this whole idea that we should abandon, because these people really hate
the nuclear family, they hate capitalism, and they hate our Constitution.
And so they're looking at the straightest line to take, to take all of those things down.
And breaking down the nuclear family structure is one of the biggest ways to
do it, which is why this push for queerness and 500 genders and all these different things is happening.
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Happening but but they have inserted you know there's
a group of people actually at the topic and i've already put
out videos about them they're called new thought and they've
partnered with a group called the fetzer institute which strangely enough were
the same people who created social emotional learning fancy that right and they're
the ones that created the group that accept the standards that eventually got
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this into all the schools and they're partnering with people to to basically
have this whole thing called the New Pluralist.
And they're inserting in the name of saving democracy, having all these interfaith
and intercultural dialogue conversations.
But really the point of it is to move the dialogue to the left,
more progressive, where we're accepting more and more.
And this is happening within religion. So they've implanted different people within each religion.
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So the religion looks like it's operating like it usually does, right?
The doctrine, they're still preaching, all that kind of stuff.
And then there's a cell within each of these religions that's working actively
to pull people away from their center of doctrine, whatever that is, right?
And it's happening in every single religion. It's happening in Jewish religion.
It's happening in Christianity really, really, really hardly.
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Catholics, I mean, Islam, I mean, they literally have a group within each one
of these religions pulling them further and further away from their doctrine.
To have this whole anything goes mentality. So this is actually a cult indoctrination,
what we're seeing here with the queerness, with the whole environmental sustainability.
You know, you just mentioned James Lindsay. I love that he stood up in front
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in the UN in Geneva and the WHO and said, hey, this is a religion of inclusivity
and sustainability because that's really what it is.
They have two objectives to save the earth, which they believe we're going to
destroy and save humanity, which they think they're going to do by having all
of these inclusive beliefs and this global one brain that all thinks the same way.
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You know, I do remember that you did have that cult experience.
And I was a member of the Church of Scientology for a while.
And there, you know, I learned a lot and it helped me a lot.
But at the same time, I definitely experienced the effects of what I would call
a subversion of speech, the redefinition of words in order to actually change my worldview.
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And there's different aspects of it. It definitely would file under a type of brainwashing.
And then you're going back to the spiritual aspect of this.
And that is very important because we are spiritual beings having a physical
experience, not physical beings having a spiritual experience.
And while some of our listeners might consider themselves agnostic or atheistic
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or of one religion or another.
We have to realize that the core of our being, which is dealt with in that area,
you know, some might be more inclined towards like calling it psychology or whatever. But,
that is what is going to change our trajectory, our intellectual trajectory.
And then when it comes to, and I think that there's a lot to be said for the
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fact that, you know, once we broach the subject of spirituality, this is a spiritual war.
And in order to confront what's happening, like you said, you know,
we need to look at, for instance, in that area, what is happening to our religious
institutions that they are going in that trajectory.
As a gay person, you know, I get it. I'm a somewhat religious person.
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I've been a member of many different churches, different religions.
And, you know, there's one thing that I think that I really expect out of a
religious institution is that they hold the ground to whatever their teaching is.
They teach it in love, but I'm there to conform to that teaching.
I'm not there to have them conform to me, to change what they're supposed to
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stand for, for the sake of inclusivity, if that's not in their doctrine,
because like you were just pointing out,
this is what it looks like when they are moving further to the left.
And, you know, I don't like seeing, you know, gay pride flags hanging from churches.
I used to actually attend the largest gay church in the country in Dallas.
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And some of the things I saw there, and I had a falling out with them,
and I had a confrontation with the preacher a bit.
And I just want to touch on that because I think this is where it would fit.
There was a church tour and everybody walked through this gay church.
It was a metropolitan church of Christ or unified church or something like that.
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And in the pastor's office at one point, you're looking at furry pink handcuffs sitting on the shelf.
And then you You know, you see all this, like, you see, like,
you know, kind of insinuations of gay sex toys or gay life in that context placed
into a church basically baptizing kink in the name of gay Christianity.
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And I just couldn't, I couldn't believe it. I was like, wow,
this is like the highest form of, like, sacrilege and blasphemy that I could imagine.
And it's not that I don't want, you know, gays to have a home in a church where
they can, you know, find their spirituality.
Spirituality but again conforming the church around that
you know be not conformed on unto the
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world or you know and so i think that is
really getting to the heart of how they are you know
they're getting us intellectually early in school in that way they're getting
us spiritually they're getting us culturally and socially and then they're codifying
it all into this you know toward a social credit score and it really is just
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a means of luring people down
the path to becoming little robots,
little peasants on the field of the New World Order.
Yep, absolutely. 100% correct. And that's a great representation of exactly
what you're talking about.
I think people don't understand it because they don't, a lot of people don't
understand kind of ancient religion, right?
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When you get into, there's in hermeticism, there's called the law of gender.
And they literally believe that every person, kind of similar to what you were
saying, but in a different way, but that you're a spiritual mind,
and you're only a mind, right?
Trapped in a physical body having a human experience. But if you are a mind
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that has two energies, male and female, right, that they believe,
that hermenecists believe, and that you're, you didn't choose this body.
Here's where the Gnosticism come in, right?
You didn't choose this body and how it's represented, right?
And maybe you identify with one of those spirits more than the other.
Like, what's the big deal in mutilating your body to make it look more like
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the spirit that you identify with? And so I think a lot of people don't understand
the roots of a lot of this stuff go way, way back into ancient mystical religions.
And what they're seeing manifest right now is just the modern representation of that.
Exactly. The ancient Gnostics, and this is relevant for people who don't understand,
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call esoteric practices at the highest levels of the United Nations,
of, you know, Klaus Schwab and friends, you know.
They do believe in this. So whether or not you subscribe to it,
you know, these teachings do include concepts like you have a maybe a masculine
physical body and a feminine etheric body or, you know, the left brain is more logical,
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masculine, and the right brain is more creative, feminine.
And but if we get inverted about the order of things, you know,
there may be, you know, sound spiritual foundation for some of these things.
But the intentional inversion of these principles is what keeps us from looking
up towards God versus turning our eyes down towards the devil in a way.
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And we find ourselves more ingrained in egotism and, you know,
what they would term like a Luciferian way of thinking.
And so, you know, for most people who don't think in those terms,
that's really foreign, but it is actually at the heart of the unseen spiritual battle that we're in.
If you do enough research, I think you come to that. Yeah. And I think what
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you're saying about it being Luciferian, it's very blasphemous.
It's really at the end of the day, these people think that they're God and actually
to become more like God is to realize you're not just one sex or another, right?
It's to incorporate all of it because God, they believe God is both male and female.
And so you're actually getting in touch with your divine self, right?
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And becoming like God because they really believe, especially with New Thought,
right? And we've seen this happen.
Oprah has hosted every single one of these leaders on her show,
and they're called the evolutionary leaders, to say that, you know,
you can actually affect your physical reality and manifest things through your mind.
And so when you talk about this being Luciferian, I mean, it literally is because
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what happened got Lucifer got cast down because he wanted to challenge God and say that I'm God.
And so this is what's happening is it's all of these religions who think they're just being empathetic.
What they're doing is buying into a whole nother faith that believes that you
can become like God if you just think in the right way.
You know, I do a lot of spiritual podcasts on the side.
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I do a lot of other things. And, you know, I think there is a lot of similarities,
particularly if you were going to discuss things through, for instance,
a Christian lens when it comes to this, you know, new thought or these new age
teachings when it comes to, OK, this is how you handle yourself psychologically.
And, you know, a lot of that stuff has a very biblical basis.
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The problem is it becomes materialistic. It doesn't become spiritual in the
way that these principles ought to be used.
And that is what I think is driving people inward into this selfish,
me-centered world where the narcissism is flourishing.
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And that's where we see things like, hey, I'm a Zeezer and everybody needs to call me a Zeezer.
If you don't, you're a bigot. Instead of seeing your role in the bigger picture,
instead of seeing how your thoughts ought to be used, I mean,
in a spiritual sense, your thoughts should be prayers.
And yes, we could talk about manifestation and things in a biblical sense,
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but there's definitely a unbiblical, unspiritual, I think, based on all the
religions that I've studied, which I studied them all.
And so it is a very fine line. And I see why people will say,
well, this is legit and there is legitimacy in certain spiritual contexts,
but it's not being handled in that way anymore.
And it is going in a destructive way.
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Of course, these are just my opinions. These are not the opinions of Gays Against
Groomers. We're not a spiritual organization.
We're not a political organization.
But all of these concepts, these
are things that human beings have to work with, have to struggle with.
And that's the context in which this battle is taking place,
particularly when we talk in terms of the world economic forum and where they're
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coming from, because that's the source of this.
Well, I think you bring up an important point is that, and I keep saying this,
right? This is not a left versus right issue.
This is not a conservative versus liberal issue.
This is a freedom and liberty versus control and totalitarian issue.
Because, you know, what we're saying is all right, right? Like,
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the religious stuff we're talking about is not the opinion of deities against grim reapers.
Because really, none of it is. Like, I don't, it's none of my business what
you worship, Robert, similar to me or your audience.
The point is that we have a cognitive liberty to choose that.
And that's where this is a problem, right? Because we're being forced to cognitive
coercion, propaganda, the education stuff, the stuff we see going on in business.
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We're constantly being bartered with these messages that is messing with our
cognitive liberty to choose to think and believe the way that we want.
And that's the beauty of America.
And this is why they hate America, because our First Amendment protects that.
And what they want to do is institute a state-sanctioned religion and say,
no, you guys all have to believe the same thing.
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Obey, obey, obey. It's like that movie, you know, where they have some glasses and it says.
You know, obey and he sees what's going on. He takes them off.
Everything's just normal.
But it's like he's being bombarded without even me knowing it,
that he needs to follow what everyone else is doing.
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And I think that's the beauty of America, the diversity of America.
We all came here. We all said, hey, we all come from different backgrounds.
We all have different religious beliefs. And the reason that we separated church
and state was so that the government wouldn't be able to institute something
and say, you have to follow this.
And they also could protect our both private and public representation of those religious beliefs.
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And so we're falling into a situation now where that's not the case.
The government is very much trying to suppress our speech, very much try to
get us to conform to a particular way of thinking about things.
And again, with the forced use of pronouns, the forced use of masks,
the forced use of, I mean, literally anything, right? But they use empathy.
And this is kind of go full circle about what our conversation is about. They use empathy.
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They use compassion. And they use this whole idea of, don't you want this person
to feel included in the human race to get us to think that for us to believe
a certain way is wrong. When no, that's freedom.
We should be able to celebrate the fact that anybody can believe what they want.
I mean, the Gnostics should be able to believe what they want.
The New Thought people, great, believe what you want, but don't force it on me.
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And that's where the situation where we have to protect our cognitive liberty
and the Constitution above all things.
Absolutely. Well, that is a great note to end the show on.
And I so appreciate you coming on here today and going into all of these subjects.
And I know we went into everything.
I think we hit almost everything, more than we usually do.
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And so, Lisa Logan, will you again give everybody your social media contacts
so they can follow up with you? I'd love to.
You can find me on YouTube at Parents of Patriot. You can find me on Substack
at Education Manifesto, and I'm on Twitter at I am Lisa Logan.
You most certainly are, Lisa Logan.
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So this is Robert Wallace. This, again, is a Gays Against Groomers production.
If you'd like to follow up with us, go to GaysAgainstGroomers.com. Follow us on Twitter.
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And until next week, thank you for joining us and be well.
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