June 15, 2025 • 29 mins
Ready to grab some tissues? On this new episode, Nicole, Amanda, Drew, and Killian discuss books and media that make us sad, but in a good way. Whether it is so happy that it makes you feel emotional or just the saddest of the sad, this is your spot to learn more abut this phenomenon.
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(00:00):
- [Nicole] Hey, there.
Welcome to the "DistractedLibrarians" podcast.
We are your friendlyneighborhood bookworms
with a penchant forall things pop culture.
- [Drew] Picture thisas our digital campfire,
where we dive into our latest obsessions,
analyze our favorite distractions,
and rediscover the joy of reading.
- [Killian] Whetheryou're a media enthusiast,
(00:20):
a book lover,
or just need a break from the daily grind,
you've come to the right spot.
- [Amanda] So kick back, relax,
and get delightfully distracted with us.
- [Nicole] Hey, everybody.
Today, we are going to talk about things
that make us sad in a good way.
What on earth does that mean?
Well actually, first of all, I should say
(00:41):
we are probably going to spoil
the crap out of some ofthe books in the media
that we're gonna be talking about.
- [Killian] We absolutely will.
- [Nicole] So if you're not interested
in having things spoiled for you,
then please check out oneof our other episodes.
(group laughing)
All right.
Why do we like things thatare sad in a good way?
(01:05):
- [Drew] I think interacting with media
means interacting with all ofthe emotions that it gives.
- [Nicole] Mhm.
- [Drew] And like thingscan be devastating
in a way that I find, you know,
really compelling at the same time,
where like, I'm going to thisfor that emotional release.
And whoo boy, does it give it to me.
(01:28):
- [Killian] I tend to find that the things
where it's in hindsight
that it's like the, this is good.
It's not necessarily inthe moment I'm like, yes,
I'm going into this wanting to cry.
It's, I will be readingsomething or watching something
or playing something and feel very seen
and very understood by it.
And it's like, you feel not alone
in feeling a certain way about something.
(01:49):
And that in and of itself
can be really just overwhelming.
And so then that causes the tears.
I cry over a lot of emotions,
so it's not even necessarily sad.
Sometimes it's just,
I'm going to cry becauseI'm feeling a lot.
- [Nicole] Yeah, for sure.
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- [Amanda] I like that books, especially,
I think this is why I like books
is because long narrativegives you a lot of nuance,
but also a lot of big emotion.
And I like that sometimes it'seasier to access that emotion
(02:31):
when it's you viewing itfrom the outside, right?
Like, you might also have
that same emotion in your own life,
but since it's real and sinceyou have to deal with it,
and since you have to, you know,
carry that emotionthrough your nine to five,
it's almost easier tohave the cry when it is.
(02:54):
- [Nicole] When somebodyelse is going through it.
- [Amanda] When someoneelse is going through it.
Or if someone can just package it in a way
that's really well doneand beautiful and yeah so.
- [Killian] I think related to that,
it's, you kind of have a littlebit more control over it.
If it's media that you're consuming,
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than like your own emotionsthat you have to deal with,
you can put it down and walk away from it.
- [Nicole] Oh, sure.
- [Killian] If it's too much,
whereas it's hard to do that in real life.
- [Nicole] Definitely, so Ido the subscription book boxes
for the library for the kids,
and we ask every family,
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whether it's the child or the parents,
to fill out a form that kind of explains
the things that are goodthat they would like to read
and the things that they don't wanna read.
And sometimes we get a form that says
that my child does not want anything sad.
- [Amanda] Hmm.- [Nicole] And I have
a little bit of an issue with that,
(03:59):
only because I think thatreading something that's sad
or something that might happen
is a good way for peopleto prepare themselves
in case a situationhappens in their real life
where something sad ordevastating happens.
And for a child to be actively like no,
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absolutely nothing, that's never,
like they're ill prepared for things
that might actually happen in real life.
So I always think to myselflike, I'm gonna just have,
like, it can be a little sad.
It doesn't have to be likethe saddest of sad things,
which we are gonna talk aboutas the saddest of sad things.
But it is so important for us
to all access thosefeelings from time to time.
(04:47):
And just like you said,
it's easier, and it's a little bit better
to be able to put it down if we need to.
And we can do that through books and media
and different things like that.
- [Killian] And see, I've started doing
some of the subscription boxes too,
and I see that, and theissue that I have with it is,
I don't know what's sad to you.
- [Nicole] Yeah, that's true.
- [Killian] Please explainwhat you mean by not too sad.
(05:08):
- [Nicole] Yeah, because we don't know
what your personal circumstance is.
- [Killian] I'm happyto oblige that request.
I just, that will send me into a panic
of "Oh no, what do you mean by sad?"
- [Nicole] Yeah.- [Killian] Because my sad
is very different froma lot of people's sad.
- [Amanda] I think it's easier for a kid
to have their first experience with death
to be through a book than say, their pet
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or their grandparent.- [Nicole] Yeah absolutely,
yeah.
- [Drew] I was also thinking like,
there are a lot of sad moments
in things that are notconsidered sad media.
- [Nicole] Yeah, absolutely.- [Drew] Like the first one
that will always come to mind is Mufasa.
- [Nicole] Oh yeah.- [Drew] In "The Lion King."
No one considers that a sad movie.
- [Nicole] Yeah.
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- [Drew] But that's a devastating segment.
- [Nicole] Absolutely.- [Drew] And you know,
what do you do with that?- [Nicole] Or "Bambi."
I mean so many of the Disney movies.
- [Killian] I mean, I stillrefuse to watch "Bambi."
I've never seen it.- [Amanda] Ever?
- [Nicole] Oh my gosh, really?
Because you knew that thatwas what was gonna happen or?
- [Killian] I simply do nottrust Disney with animals and.
(06:13):
- [Nicole] Well, and that's fair.
There's an entire website called"The Dog Dies in this One"
or something like that.- [Drew] "Does the Dog Die?"
- [Killian] I also don'ttrust books about dogs.
- [Amanda] Fair.
- [Nicole] Because thereare, like you said,
some things are sad to some people
that may not be sad to other people,
and I'm with you on the animal thing,
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especially if it is a beloved family pet.
I'm gonna have real,
I'm gonna be sobbing like a silly person.
(Drew laughs)And that's just me.
But anyway, all right,
so let's talk about some of our sad stuff.
Do you guys have anysuggestions or thoughts?
- [Amanda] Well, going offof that first introductions
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to death, "Charlotte's Web."- [Drew] Oof.
- [Amanda] Was very beloved.
It is a very beloved book to me.
I think my mom read it tome when I was pretty young.
And then my younger brother,
I read it to him, sobbed both times.
- [Nicole] Yeah.
(07:16):
- [Amanda] And I really hada hard time understanding
how Charlotte could let her children go.
- [Drew] Mhm.
- [Amanda] And then also just her,
just accepting the inevitability of death.
- [Nicole] Yeah, leave it up to White
to make a spider a belovedcharacter for children.
(07:40):
- [Amanda] Yeah.
- [Nicole] Like a spider!
Everybody loves that spider, everybody.
Like I wanna cuddle and hug that spider.
It's odd and weird, but lovely.
- [Drew] And I'm deeply phobic of spiders,
but Charlotte deservesevery inch of my protection.
- [Nicole] Yes.
- [Killian] I was not sad for Charlotte
because Charlotte was okay with it,
but I was very sad for Wilbur.
(08:03):
- [Drew] Yeah.
- [Nicole] Because Wilbur was gonna?
- [Killian] 'CauseWilbur then had to go on
without his friend.
- [Nicole] Oh, okay.- [Killian] And that
was devastating to me.
- [Amanda] That shows so much empathy.
- [Killian] I was a veryemotional little kid.
I yeah, that, I was introducedto "Charlotte's Web"
through the movie, throughthe animated movie,
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rather than the book.
And I like, I don't like spiders,
so that may have also played into it.
And I was just like, okay.
But she was his friend,
and now he doesn't have his friend.
She's gone, but hedoesn't have his friend.
I was so upset.
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- [Nicole] Yeah, for sure.
- [Killian] Kids booksare devastating sometimes.
- [Nicole] They really are.
But this is also like,books are also a great way
of creating empathy.
- [Killian] Yeah, absolutely.
- [Nicole] So if you'relearning about a character
that's not like you inany way at all possible,
and you're reading about asituation that they're in
and it gives you feelings,
(09:04):
then you're better able to like look
at the people around you
and to think, hey, like,you're a person too,
and I feel this for you,
and I can feel this for this person.
And it just, I don't know.
It creates lifelong lessonsthat I think are important.
- [Amanda] And this iswhy we're librarians.
- [Killian] Exactly, exactly.
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- [Nicole] I wanna bringup "Bridge to Terabithia."
This was like, I think it was.
- [Drew] Do we have to?
- [Killian] Do we have to bringup "Bridge to Terabithia?"
- [Nicole] So I was, this wasa book that was read aloud
to me in fourth grade.
- [Drew] Oh god.- [Nicole] So our teacher
read it to us.
And I remember like an entire classroom
of people being devastatedand, but that's okay, right?
(09:48):
- [Drew] It is, yeah.- [Nicole] Because like now,
now we're able to kind ofsupport each other in a way.
- [Amanda] Were you guysallowed to like cry in class?
- [Nicole] Oh yeah.- [Amanda] Okay, that's great.
That's great.- [Nicole] I mean,
there were people
that were more sensitiveabout it than others.
I was really upset aboutwhat happens in the story.
So I'm gonna just give a brief synopsis
(10:09):
so that we all know whatwe're talking about here.
So two kids from different backgrounds
create a magical place that they get to
by swinging across on thissort of rope bridge thing,
or this rope swing over a creek.
The sad part is that the, oneof the main characters dies
because the rope bridgeor the rope swing breaks.
(10:31):
Okay, and so the other character
has to kind of carryon without his friend.
And the real, like the twist,
the part that gives you all the feelings
is that like he realizes
that he can keep going to Terabithia,
which is the place that theycall this magical place.
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Even though the one character's not there,
he brings his sister,
and then they build areal bridge to Terabithia
in kind of honor of her.
So like that is reallysuper emotional, right?
But it's so good.
- [Drew] I'm actively tearing up.
- [Killian] Me too!
- [Drew] I'm a little mad at you for that.
(Nicole laughs)
(11:12):
This podcast was notsupposed to be on the list
of things that make me sad.
- [Killian] Yeah, we read that one
when I was in fifth grade,
and I do not, I cannot place every book
that I ever read inwhich grade I read it in.
But that one I can,because it hurt me so much.
(11:33):
- [Nicole] Same, it has aplace in my fourth grade brain.
- [Killian] It was ourstudent teacher read it to us.
I remember the layout of the classroom.
The number of details about fifth grade
that are stuck in my brainsimply because of that book
and the impact it had on me, truly wild.
- [Nicole] But it's a good one.
(11:54):
- [Drew] Oh yeah.
- [Nicole] I get why itwas part of the curriculum
and why we read it, again,
because it's good forkids to be sad sometimes.
- [Drew] Yeah.
- [Amanda] I'm gonna get off my soapbox.
All right, what are someother ones that we have?
- [Drew] Well, I'll takeus out of the kids space.
I have not been able to stop
thinking about "Songof Achilles" in years.
(12:16):
- [Nicole] Oh my gosh.
- [Drew] Because it's devastating.
- [Killian] This is partof why I haven't read it.
- [Drew] I know.
- [Nicole] The worst thingabout "Song of Achilles"
is like, I know how it ends.- [Drew] Mhm.
- [Nicole] And it did not prepare me
for this beautiful, tragic love story.
It, I, oh my gosh.
- [Amanda] I haven't read it.
Can you give me like a very brief?
(12:37):
- [Drew] So it's Achilles and Patroclus
and just their story of meeting
and their relationship growing
over, through whateverwar they're fighting.
I don't, I don't know Roman history.
- [Nicole] The Trojan War.- [Drew] The Trojan War,
thank you.
(group laughing)Bless you.
- [Nicole] I don't know the history.
(12:58):
- But you go into the story
knowing that one of them is going to die.
- [Amanda] Mm.
- [Nicole] It's been foretold.
- [Drew] Yes.
And you still go through the entire book
and the development
of their emotions and their relationship.
And you do it, knowing the whole time
(13:20):
that there's no way to avoid the ending.
- [Nicole] Mhm, yep.
Because they know that there'sno way to avoid the ending.
And I think that's the partthat like hurts the most,
is like, 'cause you reallystart to sympathize with these,
these two characters in terms of like,
we don't know when it's gonna happen,
but it's gonna happen anytime now.
Like, I don't know.
(13:40):
It's crazy.
- [Drew] Mhm, I think about it every time
I see or hear or listen tothe music of "Hadestown"
'cause it's the exact same thing.
"Hadestown" is a Broadwaymusical of Orpheus and Eurydice.
- [Nicole] Okay.
- [Drew] And it's toldvery in the same style,
where the opening song tells you,
(14:03):
we've told this tale before
and this is just a retelling.
And you tell the storyover and over again,
hoping that one daythe ending will change.
- [Nicole] Yeah.
- [Drew] And knowing that it won't.
- [Nicole] Wow.- [Killian] Yeah,
I've seen that one.
I've seen it once.
I'm seeing it againbefore too terribly long.
And it's very much,this is a classic story.
(14:25):
I've heard the mythology so many times,
I know exactly how this goes.
And there's still a part ofyou that holds on to hope
that somehow it's notgoing to go that way.
And it's going to be ahappy ending, and it's not.
- [Nicole] Yeah.
- [Killian] It's simply not.- [Nicole] Yeah.
I mean, there's something aboutreading about the Trojan War
in sort of like, you know,reading it from Homer
and the way that it's written there,
(14:48):
and then to have someonelike Madeline Miller
put it together in a truly,
I mean, it's still very fictional,
but she's really defined these characters
and she's put them together in a way
where it is like sucha beautiful love story.
- [Drew] Mhm.
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- [Nicole] And there'snothing like Achilles
finding out that Patroclus has died
when he puts on Achilles' armor
and heads into battle thinking
that he's just gonna scare people away.
But he gets killed.
And Achilles mourns, likenobody will ever mourn.
It is like absolutelybone chilling and lovely
(15:32):
and wonderful and terrible.
- [Killian] I started,not "Song of Achilles,"
a different book by Madeline Miller
and just the little bit ofit that I did get through,
I was like, I don't knowif I can finish this book.
And I don't know if I can read
"Song of Achilles."- [Nicole] Was it "Circe?"
- [Killian] It was.- [Nicole] "Circe's" lovely.
- [Killian] 'Cause I was already like,
this writer is going tocompletely destroy me.
(15:53):
- [Nicole] Yes, she will, 100 percent.
- [Killian] I did have to put it down.
They're on my TBR, someday.
- [Nicole] So good.
It's very, very good.
All right, anything else?
What else do we have?
- [Amanda] So I'm getting,
picking up on some themes about death
(16:14):
and going further with that.- [Drew] Hell yeah.
- [Amanda] So one of my favoritememoirs, I love memoirs,
and this is the memoirthat made me love memoirs,
is "When Breath Becomes Air."
- [Drew] Okay.- [Amanda] Have you?
- [Nicole] Mm-mm.
- [Amanda] So it is a doctorwho's highly accomplished.
(16:34):
He describes going through residency,
going through working at a hospital,
and you start to know about his life.
And he's getting marriedand starting out his life.
And then he has cancer.
(16:55):
And that is not spoilinganything, I can tell you.
But it is, first of all, itis someone who is a doctor,
who is also a really beautiful writer.
Like, I'm just like, wow, somuch talent in one person?
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And then the tragedy tohave this person have cancer
and aggressive cancer at a very young age,
sort of in the prime of his life
before he's really launching.
Because at that point, hiswhole life has been training
and getting to the point of medschool residency, et cetera.
(17:37):
Anyway, I have read it multiple times.
It's a tear-jerker.
And it is just one of those things
where sort of along the same veins
of with "Song of Achilles,"how you said that
the story was already laidout at the very beginning.
(18:01):
You get a little bit of that in this book.
And it's almost a sense,
okay, well if we knowthat the ending is death,
what do you do with that?
And it's because life is limited
where you get so much meaning in it.
(18:22):
- [Drew] Mhm.
- [Amanda] But highly recommend.
It was published in 2016,so certainly not a new book.
I'm sure it was on the bestseller list.
- [Drew] Oh yeah.
- [Amanda] "When Breath Becomes Air."
- [Drew] I think we still have
like four copies of it at the library.
- [Amanda] Definitely read it.
It's gorgeous, you will cry.
If you need to cry,
(18:42):
if you can't cry and you need to cry,
that's what you wanna read.
(Nicole laughs)
- [Nicole] Nice.
I have another kid's book
that I wanted to talk about.
It's called, it's, thetitle is "A Monster Calls"
by Patrick Ness.
This book is a chapter book,
(19:06):
but it's highly illustrated.
The illustrations are lovely.
Patrick Ness has a bunch of weird books.
I'm just gonna put that out there.
Like he has an interestingway of doing things.
And what's interesting about this book
is that the idea to,
the idea behind this bookwas not Patrick Ness'.
(19:28):
The person who came up withthe idea is Siobhan Dowd.
That it was an original story by her,
but she wasn't able to finish the book.
And Patrick Ness wasthe one who took it on
and decided to finish it.
- [Killian] Oh.
- [Nicole] So it's a 13-year-old,
(19:48):
a book about a 13-year-old named Connor,
and he keeps having the same nightmare.
And then one day, this voice wakes him,
and he meets a monster who says
that he will tell him three stories,
but Connor will have to tell the fourth.
So every day they meet,
and the monster tells him a story.
(20:10):
It turns out that Connor'smom has terminal cancer,
and she's been kind of going through
some kind of treatment for a while,
but he's dealing withit kind of all alone.
She's in the hospital.
He is at home and kind of isolated.
The people that are around himdon't want to talk about it.
(20:30):
They don't want anything to do with it.
And his dad is in Americawith a new family.
So he is not supported.
- [Drew] Mhm.
- [Nicole] So the fourthstory is Connor telling
about his nightmare.
And in the nightmare heis holding his mom's hands
and she's like hanging from a cliff,
(20:51):
and he lets her go
and he like admits to the monster that he,
and this is like the saddest thing,
that he wishes that she would die,
so that she doesn't haveto be in pain anymore.
And that, so he, him andand her can just move on.
(21:11):
And like for a young man
to come to that conclusion
is just absolutely wrecking, right?
So the author died of terminal cancer
before she could finish the story.
So that just adds likethat extra sad layer
when you get to the end of the book
and you realize, well, whydidn't this person finish it?
(21:32):
Oh gosh, what on earth?
So they did make a movie out of it.
I can't watch it
because I swear I wouldcry from the minute,
like the beginning, startedall the way to the very end.
But it is so good.
And for the right child,
I would absolutely put it in their hand.
- [Amanda] What age is it for?
(21:54):
- [Killian] It's, the characteris a thirteen-year-old,
but I would probably give it to anywhere
from a 10 to 14 year-old.
If a teen wanted it, they can have it too.
I read it and I really liked it a lot so.
- [Drew] In a total deviationfrom death and destruction.
- [Nicole] Other sad things.- [Drew] All of it.
(22:15):
Other sad things thatcome up are happy things
that make me emotional.
- [Nicole] Okay.
- [Drew] So many of the romances I've read
or things that don't,
that make me sad outsideof the context of it.
One that has stuck with mefor years at this point,
(22:37):
when the first season of"Heart Stopper" came out.
- [Nicole] Oh.- [Drew] On Netflix.
And the.- [Nicole] I haven't
even watched the show,but reading the books.
- [Drew] The story itself is so charming.
It is graphic novel first,
or a webtoon first, turnedgraphic novel, turned TV show.
But the core of the story
is this just heartwarming love story
(22:59):
between two teenage boys.
But what it did to thequeer community was chaos.
Because so many people in their, you know,
thirties, forties, fifties,
who watched it had this dual moment
of being so happy that this thing exists
(23:20):
and also so devastatedthat it didn't exist
when they were.- [Nicole] Oh wow.
- [Drew] The teens who needed it.
- [Nicole] Wow, yeah.
- [Drew] And like theywere watching these,
these things that they nevergot a chance to experience
because the world wasn't ready for it yet.
And that was a really wild place to be.
- [Nicole] Yeah.
- [Drew] Trying to balanceboth of those things
(23:42):
and to see it allthroughout the community.
- [Nicole] Yeah.- [Drew] Of this,
this makes me both the happiest
and the saddest I've ever been.
- [Nicole] Mhm.
- [Amanda] That's a lot of grief.
- [Drew] Yeah.- [Nicole] Yeah, definitely.
They're so good.
The books are so good.
I gotta watch the show.
[Drew] Alice is stillwriting the final one.
(24:03):
- [Nicole] Oh, oh goodness.
Oh my gosh.
- [Killian] I'm in a kind ofsame theme, different medium.
I wanna talk about thecomputer game "Unpacking."
And I am going to spoil this game.
So this is your added warning.
This is a very, likethe way this is marketed
(24:23):
is a game about putting away things
as the main character who you never see,
moves to different placesthroughout their life.
So you unpack their childhoodbedroom out of boxes,
and then you unpack a collegedorm room out of boxes
and you see the thingsthat they take with them
from that childhood bedroom to college.
But they also get new things.
(24:44):
They move into their first apartment
and you just see them gothroughout their life.
And eventually you get to a point
where they're clearlymoving in with a partner.
And it becomes really evident very quickly
as you're trying to unpackthis person's belongings
into this other person's apartment,
(25:04):
that this person has not bothered
to make any space for them.
You have to completely rearrangea closet to make space.
You have to kind of wedge
the main character'sbelongings into places
and the diploma that theyworked really hard for,
the only place that thegame will let you put it,
is like under the bed.
(25:26):
There's nowhere else to put it.
- [Nicole] Wow.
- [Killian] So that inand of itself, devastating
'cause we've all had, you know,
experience with eitherour own relationships
where someone didn't make space for us,
or we've seen a friend go through that
or something like that.
That's devastating.
She moves again.
So it's like, okay, cool.
She's out of this.
Great, amazing.
And then she moves again and you realize,
(25:48):
or no, she doesn't move again.
She moves into this apartment,
and then you come backto that same apartment
that she's moved into on her own.
But there's more boxes andyou start unpacking things
and eventually you get toa point where you realize
that the things that you are unpacking,
they're not her belongings.
Someone's moving in with her.
(26:09):
And then, and the thing that made me,
I instantly started sobbing,
realized another womanis moving in with her,
and you realize that thismain character is queer.
And I burst out sobbing when I have it.
I have watched severalstreamers play this game
for the first time and burst out sobbing.
All the streamers that I've watched
(26:31):
react to this have been by women,
who honestly like seeingthat representation in a game
and just so casually done,
it's not hugely marketed.
It just is.
Is so truly beautiful to see
and to feel like part of the world
(26:51):
that it falls into that like devastation
that you didn't have that sooner.
That that, that that is such a big deal.
And it is, and then it goeson and they move into a house
and then there's a baby andyou unpack the baby stuff
and it's just, it's verycute, and it's very sweet.
And I love this game.
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I go back and I replay it often
and I always cry at the same points
because of just howbeautifully done it is.
- [Nicole] And that's suchan interesting concept
of like unpacking.
- [Killian] Mhm.- [Nicole] Like I don't know
like, that's really, really brilliant.
- [Killian] You, 'cause there'sno narration of this story.
- [Nicole] Yeah, you'rejust gathering information.
- [Killian] You get thestory from what you unpack.
So it's, you see the progressionof this person's career
(27:36):
as an artist and graphic designer
and becoming an illustrator.
So you go from having like sketchbooks
and art supplies to havinga digital drawing pad
and like the picture book thatyou, that she illustrated,
to having awards and stuffiesof the characters she drew.
It's this whole progression of a life
(27:56):
just through the things thatyou take with you through life
and the new things you acquireand the things you let go of.
And it's so good.
- [Nicole] Well, and that's something
that I think is relatable for all people,
once they get to a certain age.
We've all moved a coupletimes I would think.
Or maybe not, but you know,
it's something that is veryrelatable for a lot of people.
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- [Amanda] What's the name of that again?
- [Killian] It's "Unpacking."
- [Amanda] Beautiful.
- [Nicole] Very cool.- [Drew] Yeah.
- [Nicole] All right, Well,
some, these are some of the things
that are sad in a good way.
I hope that you agree withsome of our sad good things
and we will see you next time.
Thank you for joining us for this episode
of "Distracted Librarians."
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- [Killian] If you have anyquestions or suggestions,
feel free to reach out tous at distracted@btpl.org.
- [Amanda] Until then,keep those pages turning
and those screens lighting up.
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We'll catch you in the next episode.
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- [Nicole] Hey, there.
Welcome to the "DistractedLibrarians" podcast.
We are your friendlyneighborhood bookworms
with a penchant forall things pop culture.
- [Drew] Picture thisas our digital campfire,
where we dive into our latest obsessions,
analyze our favorite distractions,
and rediscover the joy of reading.
- [Killian] Whetheryou're a media enthusiast,
(00:20):
a book lover,
or just need a break from the daily grind,
you've come to the right spot.
- [Amanda] So kick back, relax,
and get delightfully distracted with us.
- [Nicole] Hey, everybody.
Today, we are going to talk about things
that make us sad in a good way.
What on earth does that mean?
Well actually, first of all, I should say
(00:41):
we are probably going to spoil
the crap out of some ofthe books in the media
that we're gonna be talking about.
- [Killian] We absolutely will.
- [Nicole] So if you're not interested
in having things spoiled for you,
then please check out oneof our other episodes.
(group laughing)
All right.
Why do we like things thatare sad in a good way?
(01:05):
- [Drew] I think interacting with media
means interacting with all ofthe emotions that it gives.
- [Nicole] Mhm.
- [Drew] And like thingscan be devastating
in a way that I find, you know,
really compelling at the same time,
where like, I'm going to thisfor that emotional release.
And whoo boy, does it give it to me.
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- [Killian] I tend to find that the things
where it's in hindsight
that it's like the, this is good.
It's not necessarily inthe moment I'm like, yes,
I'm going into this wanting to cry.
It's, I will be readingsomething or watching something
or playing something and feel very seen
and very understood by it.
And it's like, you feel not alone
in feeling a certain way about something.
(01:49):
And that in and of itself
can be really just overwhelming.
And so then that causes the tears.
I cry over a lot of emotions,
so it's not even necessarily sad.
Sometimes it's just,
I'm going to cry becauseI'm feeling a lot.
- [Nicole] Yeah, for sure.
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- [Amanda] I like that books, especially,
I think this is why I like books
is because long narrativegives you a lot of nuance,
but also a lot of big emotion.
And I like that sometimes it'seasier to access that emotion
(02:31):
when it's you viewing itfrom the outside, right?
Like, you might also have
that same emotion in your own life,
but since it's real and sinceyou have to deal with it,
and since you have to, you know,
carry that emotionthrough your nine to five,
it's almost easier tohave the cry when it is.
(02:54):
- [Nicole] When somebodyelse is going through it.
- [Amanda] When someoneelse is going through it.
Or if someone can just package it in a way
that's really well doneand beautiful and yeah so.
- [Killian] I think related to that,
it's, you kind of have a littlebit more control over it.
If it's media that you're consuming,
(03:14):
than like your own emotionsthat you have to deal with,
you can put it down and walk away from it.
- [Nicole] Oh, sure.
- [Killian] If it's too much,
whereas it's hard to do that in real life.
- [Nicole] Definitely, so Ido the subscription book boxes
for the library for the kids,
and we ask every family,
(03:38):
whether it's the child or the parents,
to fill out a form that kind of explains
the things that are goodthat they would like to read
and the things that they don't wanna read.
And sometimes we get a form that says
that my child does not want anything sad.
- [Amanda] Hmm.- [Nicole] And I have
a little bit of an issue with that,
(03:59):
only because I think thatreading something that's sad
or something that might happen
is a good way for peopleto prepare themselves
in case a situationhappens in their real life
where something sad ordevastating happens.
And for a child to be actively like no,
(04:22):
absolutely nothing, that's never,
like they're ill prepared for things
that might actually happen in real life.
So I always think to myselflike, I'm gonna just have,
like, it can be a little sad.
It doesn't have to be likethe saddest of sad things,
which we are gonna talk aboutas the saddest of sad things.
But it is so important for us
to all access thosefeelings from time to time.
(04:47):
And just like you said,
it's easier, and it's a little bit better
to be able to put it down if we need to.
And we can do that through books and media
and different things like that.
- [Killian] And see, I've started doing
some of the subscription boxes too,
and I see that, and theissue that I have with it is,
I don't know what's sad to you.
- [Nicole] Yeah, that's true.
- [Killian] Please explainwhat you mean by not too sad.
(05:08):
- [Nicole] Yeah, because we don't know
what your personal circumstance is.
- [Killian] I'm happyto oblige that request.
I just, that will send me into a panic
of "Oh no, what do you mean by sad?"
- [Nicole] Yeah.- [Killian] Because my sad
is very different froma lot of people's sad.
- [Amanda] I think it's easier for a kid
to have their first experience with death
to be through a book than say, their pet
(05:31):
or their grandparent.- [Nicole] Yeah absolutely,
yeah.
- [Drew] I was also thinking like,
there are a lot of sad moments
in things that are notconsidered sad media.
- [Nicole] Yeah, absolutely.- [Drew] Like the first one
that will always come to mind is Mufasa.
- [Nicole] Oh yeah.- [Drew] In "The Lion King."
No one considers that a sad movie.
- [Nicole] Yeah.
(05:52):
- [Drew] But that's a devastating segment.
- [Nicole] Absolutely.- [Drew] And you know,
what do you do with that?- [Nicole] Or "Bambi."
I mean so many of the Disney movies.
- [Killian] I mean, I stillrefuse to watch "Bambi."
I've never seen it.- [Amanda] Ever?
- [Nicole] Oh my gosh, really?
Because you knew that thatwas what was gonna happen or?
- [Killian] I simply do nottrust Disney with animals and.
(06:13):
- [Nicole] Well, and that's fair.
There's an entire website called"The Dog Dies in this One"
or something like that.- [Drew] "Does the Dog Die?"
- [Killian] I also don'ttrust books about dogs.
- [Amanda] Fair.
- [Nicole] Because thereare, like you said,
some things are sad to some people
that may not be sad to other people,
and I'm with you on the animal thing,
(06:33):
especially if it is a beloved family pet.
I'm gonna have real,
I'm gonna be sobbing like a silly person.
(Drew laughs)And that's just me.
But anyway, all right,
so let's talk about some of our sad stuff.
Do you guys have anysuggestions or thoughts?
- [Amanda] Well, going offof that first introductions
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to death, "Charlotte's Web."- [Drew] Oof.
- [Amanda] Was very beloved.
It is a very beloved book to me.
I think my mom read it tome when I was pretty young.
And then my younger brother,
I read it to him, sobbed both times.
- [Nicole] Yeah.
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- [Amanda] And I really hada hard time understanding
how Charlotte could let her children go.
- [Drew] Mhm.
- [Amanda] And then also just her,
just accepting the inevitability of death.
- [Nicole] Yeah, leave it up to White
to make a spider a belovedcharacter for children.
(07:40):
- [Amanda] Yeah.
- [Nicole] Like a spider!
Everybody loves that spider, everybody.
Like I wanna cuddle and hug that spider.
It's odd and weird, but lovely.
- [Drew] And I'm deeply phobic of spiders,
but Charlotte deservesevery inch of my protection.
- [Nicole] Yes.
- [Killian] I was not sad for Charlotte
because Charlotte was okay with it,
but I was very sad for Wilbur.
(08:03):
- [Drew] Yeah.
- [Nicole] Because Wilbur was gonna?
- [Killian] 'CauseWilbur then had to go on
without his friend.
- [Nicole] Oh, okay.- [Killian] And that
was devastating to me.
- [Amanda] That shows so much empathy.
- [Killian] I was a veryemotional little kid.
I yeah, that, I was introducedto "Charlotte's Web"
through the movie, throughthe animated movie,
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rather than the book.
And I like, I don't like spiders,
so that may have also played into it.
And I was just like, okay.
But she was his friend,
and now he doesn't have his friend.
She's gone, but hedoesn't have his friend.
I was so upset.
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- [Nicole] Yeah, for sure.
- [Killian] Kids booksare devastating sometimes.
- [Nicole] They really are.
But this is also like,books are also a great way
of creating empathy.
- [Killian] Yeah, absolutely.
- [Nicole] So if you'relearning about a character
that's not like you inany way at all possible,
and you're reading about asituation that they're in
and it gives you feelings,
(09:04):
then you're better able to like look
at the people around you
and to think, hey, like,you're a person too,
and I feel this for you,
and I can feel this for this person.
And it just, I don't know.
It creates lifelong lessonsthat I think are important.
- [Amanda] And this iswhy we're librarians.
- [Killian] Exactly, exactly.
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- [Nicole] I wanna bringup "Bridge to Terabithia."
This was like, I think it was.
- [Drew] Do we have to?
- [Killian] Do we have to bringup "Bridge to Terabithia?"
- [Nicole] So I was, this wasa book that was read aloud
to me in fourth grade.
- [Drew] Oh god.- [Nicole] So our teacher
read it to us.
And I remember like an entire classroom
of people being devastatedand, but that's okay, right?
(09:48):
- [Drew] It is, yeah.- [Nicole] Because like now,
now we're able to kind ofsupport each other in a way.
- [Amanda] Were you guysallowed to like cry in class?
- [Nicole] Oh yeah.- [Amanda] Okay, that's great.
That's great.- [Nicole] I mean,
there were people
that were more sensitiveabout it than others.
I was really upset aboutwhat happens in the story.
So I'm gonna just give a brief synopsis
(10:09):
so that we all know whatwe're talking about here.
So two kids from different backgrounds
create a magical place that they get to
by swinging across on thissort of rope bridge thing,
or this rope swing over a creek.
The sad part is that the, oneof the main characters dies
because the rope bridgeor the rope swing breaks.
(10:31):
Okay, and so the other character
has to kind of carryon without his friend.
And the real, like the twist,
the part that gives you all the feelings
is that like he realizes
that he can keep going to Terabithia,
which is the place that theycall this magical place.
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Even though the one character's not there,
he brings his sister,
and then they build areal bridge to Terabithia
in kind of honor of her.
So like that is reallysuper emotional, right?
But it's so good.
- [Drew] I'm actively tearing up.
- [Killian] Me too!
- [Drew] I'm a little mad at you for that.
(Nicole laughs)
(11:12):
This podcast was notsupposed to be on the list
of things that make me sad.
- [Killian] Yeah, we read that one
when I was in fifth grade,
and I do not, I cannot place every book
that I ever read inwhich grade I read it in.
But that one I can,because it hurt me so much.
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- [Nicole] Same, it has aplace in my fourth grade brain.
- [Killian] It was ourstudent teacher read it to us.
I remember the layout of the classroom.
The number of details about fifth grade
that are stuck in my brainsimply because of that book
and the impact it had on me, truly wild.
- [Nicole] But it's a good one.
(11:54):
- [Drew] Oh yeah.
- [Nicole] I get why itwas part of the curriculum
and why we read it, again,
because it's good forkids to be sad sometimes.
- [Drew] Yeah.
- [Amanda] I'm gonna get off my soapbox.
All right, what are someother ones that we have?
- [Drew] Well, I'll takeus out of the kids space.
I have not been able to stop
thinking about "Songof Achilles" in years.
(12:16):
- [Nicole] Oh my gosh.
- [Drew] Because it's devastating.
- [Killian] This is partof why I haven't read it.
- [Drew] I know.
- [Nicole] The worst thingabout "Song of Achilles"
is like, I know how it ends.- [Drew] Mhm.
- [Nicole] And it did not prepare me
for this beautiful, tragic love story.
It, I, oh my gosh.
- [Amanda] I haven't read it.
Can you give me like a very brief?
(12:37):
- [Drew] So it's Achilles and Patroclus
and just their story of meeting
and their relationship growing
over, through whateverwar they're fighting.
I don't, I don't know Roman history.
- [Nicole] The Trojan War.- [Drew] The Trojan War,
thank you.
(group laughing)Bless you.
- [Nicole] I don't know the history.
(12:58):
- But you go into the story
knowing that one of them is going to die.
- [Amanda] Mm.
- [Nicole] It's been foretold.
- [Drew] Yes.
And you still go through the entire book
and the development
of their emotions and their relationship.
And you do it, knowing the whole time
(13:20):
that there's no way to avoid the ending.
- [Nicole] Mhm, yep.
Because they know that there'sno way to avoid the ending.
And I think that's the partthat like hurts the most,
is like, 'cause you reallystart to sympathize with these,
these two characters in terms of like,
we don't know when it's gonna happen,
but it's gonna happen anytime now.
Like, I don't know.
(13:40):
It's crazy.
- [Drew] Mhm, I think about it every time
I see or hear or listen tothe music of "Hadestown"
'cause it's the exact same thing.
"Hadestown" is a Broadwaymusical of Orpheus and Eurydice.
- [Nicole] Okay.
- [Drew] And it's toldvery in the same style,
where the opening song tells you,
(14:03):
we've told this tale before
and this is just a retelling.
And you tell the storyover and over again,
hoping that one daythe ending will change.
- [Nicole] Yeah.
- [Drew] And knowing that it won't.
- [Nicole] Wow.- [Killian] Yeah,
I've seen that one.
I've seen it once.
I'm seeing it againbefore too terribly long.
And it's very much,this is a classic story.
(14:25):
I've heard the mythology so many times,
I know exactly how this goes.
And there's still a part ofyou that holds on to hope
that somehow it's notgoing to go that way.
And it's going to be ahappy ending, and it's not.
- [Nicole] Yeah.
- [Killian] It's simply not.- [Nicole] Yeah.
I mean, there's something aboutreading about the Trojan War
in sort of like, you know,reading it from Homer
and the way that it's written there,
(14:48):
and then to have someonelike Madeline Miller
put it together in a truly,
I mean, it's still very fictional,
but she's really defined these characters
and she's put them together in a way
where it is like sucha beautiful love story.
- [Drew] Mhm.
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- [Nicole] And there'snothing like Achilles
finding out that Patroclus has died
when he puts on Achilles' armor
and heads into battle thinking
that he's just gonna scare people away.
But he gets killed.
And Achilles mourns, likenobody will ever mourn.
It is like absolutelybone chilling and lovely
(15:32):
and wonderful and terrible.
- [Killian] I started,not "Song of Achilles,"
a different book by Madeline Miller
and just the little bit ofit that I did get through,
I was like, I don't knowif I can finish this book.
And I don't know if I can read
"Song of Achilles."- [Nicole] Was it "Circe?"
- [Killian] It was.- [Nicole] "Circe's" lovely.
- [Killian] 'Cause I was already like,
this writer is going tocompletely destroy me.
(15:53):
- [Nicole] Yes, she will, 100 percent.
- [Killian] I did have to put it down.
They're on my TBR, someday.
- [Nicole] So good.
It's very, very good.
All right, anything else?
What else do we have?
- [Amanda] So I'm getting,
picking up on some themes about death
(16:14):
and going further with that.- [Drew] Hell yeah.
- [Amanda] So one of my favoritememoirs, I love memoirs,
and this is the memoirthat made me love memoirs,
is "When Breath Becomes Air."
- [Drew] Okay.- [Amanda] Have you?
- [Nicole] Mm-mm.
- [Amanda] So it is a doctorwho's highly accomplished.
(16:34):
He describes going through residency,
going through working at a hospital,
and you start to know about his life.
And he's getting marriedand starting out his life.
And then he has cancer.
(16:55):
And that is not spoilinganything, I can tell you.
But it is, first of all, itis someone who is a doctor,
who is also a really beautiful writer.
Like, I'm just like, wow, somuch talent in one person?
(17:16):
And then the tragedy tohave this person have cancer
and aggressive cancer at a very young age,
sort of in the prime of his life
before he's really launching.
Because at that point, hiswhole life has been training
and getting to the point of medschool residency, et cetera.
(17:37):
Anyway, I have read it multiple times.
It's a tear-jerker.
And it is just one of those things
where sort of along the same veins
of with "Song of Achilles,"how you said that
the story was already laidout at the very beginning.
(18:01):
You get a little bit of that in this book.
And it's almost a sense,
okay, well if we knowthat the ending is death,
what do you do with that?
And it's because life is limited
where you get so much meaning in it.
(18:22):
- [Drew] Mhm.
- [Amanda] But highly recommend.
It was published in 2016,so certainly not a new book.
I'm sure it was on the bestseller list.
- [Drew] Oh yeah.
- [Amanda] "When Breath Becomes Air."
- [Drew] I think we still have
like four copies of it at the library.
- [Amanda] Definitely read it.
It's gorgeous, you will cry.
If you need to cry,
(18:42):
if you can't cry and you need to cry,
that's what you wanna read.
(Nicole laughs)
- [Nicole] Nice.
I have another kid's book
that I wanted to talk about.
It's called, it's, thetitle is "A Monster Calls"
by Patrick Ness.
This book is a chapter book,
(19:06):
but it's highly illustrated.
The illustrations are lovely.
Patrick Ness has a bunch of weird books.
I'm just gonna put that out there.
Like he has an interestingway of doing things.
And what's interesting about this book
is that the idea to,
the idea behind this bookwas not Patrick Ness'.
(19:28):
The person who came up withthe idea is Siobhan Dowd.
That it was an original story by her,
but she wasn't able to finish the book.
And Patrick Ness wasthe one who took it on
and decided to finish it.
- [Killian] Oh.
- [Nicole] So it's a 13-year-old,
(19:48):
a book about a 13-year-old named Connor,
and he keeps having the same nightmare.
And then one day, this voice wakes him,
and he meets a monster who says
that he will tell him three stories,
but Connor will have to tell the fourth.
So every day they meet,
and the monster tells him a story.
(20:10):
It turns out that Connor'smom has terminal cancer,
and she's been kind of going through
some kind of treatment for a while,
but he's dealing withit kind of all alone.
She's in the hospital.
He is at home and kind of isolated.
The people that are around himdon't want to talk about it.
(20:30):
They don't want anything to do with it.
And his dad is in Americawith a new family.
So he is not supported.
- [Drew] Mhm.
- [Nicole] So the fourthstory is Connor telling
about his nightmare.
And in the nightmare heis holding his mom's hands
and she's like hanging from a cliff,
(20:51):
and he lets her go
and he like admits to the monster that he,
and this is like the saddest thing,
that he wishes that she would die,
so that she doesn't haveto be in pain anymore.
And that, so he, him andand her can just move on.
(21:11):
And like for a young man
to come to that conclusion
is just absolutely wrecking, right?
So the author died of terminal cancer
before she could finish the story.
So that just adds likethat extra sad layer
when you get to the end of the book
and you realize, well, whydidn't this person finish it?
(21:32):
Oh gosh, what on earth?
So they did make a movie out of it.
I can't watch it
because I swear I wouldcry from the minute,
like the beginning, startedall the way to the very end.
But it is so good.
And for the right child,
I would absolutely put it in their hand.
- [Amanda] What age is it for?
(21:54):
- [Killian] It's, the characteris a thirteen-year-old,
but I would probably give it to anywhere
from a 10 to 14 year-old.
If a teen wanted it, they can have it too.
I read it and I really liked it a lot so.
- [Drew] In a total deviationfrom death and destruction.
- [Nicole] Other sad things.- [Drew] All of it.
(22:15):
Other sad things thatcome up are happy things
that make me emotional.
- [Nicole] Okay.
- [Drew] So many of the romances I've read
or things that don't,
that make me sad outsideof the context of it.
One that has stuck with mefor years at this point,
(22:37):
when the first season of"Heart Stopper" came out.
- [Nicole] Oh.- [Drew] On Netflix.
And the.- [Nicole] I haven't
even watched the show,but reading the books.
- [Drew] The story itself is so charming.
It is graphic novel first,
or a webtoon first, turnedgraphic novel, turned TV show.
But the core of the story
is this just heartwarming love story
(22:59):
between two teenage boys.
But what it did to thequeer community was chaos.
Because so many people in their, you know,
thirties, forties, fifties,
who watched it had this dual moment
of being so happy that this thing exists
(23:20):
and also so devastatedthat it didn't exist
when they were.- [Nicole] Oh wow.
- [Drew] The teens who needed it.
- [Nicole] Wow, yeah.
- [Drew] And like theywere watching these,
these things that they nevergot a chance to experience
because the world wasn't ready for it yet.
And that was a really wild place to be.
- [Nicole] Yeah.
- [Drew] Trying to balanceboth of those things
(23:42):
and to see it allthroughout the community.
- [Nicole] Yeah.- [Drew] Of this,
this makes me both the happiest
and the saddest I've ever been.
- [Nicole] Mhm.
- [Amanda] That's a lot of grief.
- [Drew] Yeah.- [Nicole] Yeah, definitely.
They're so good.
The books are so good.
I gotta watch the show.
[Drew] Alice is stillwriting the final one.
(24:03):
- [Nicole] Oh, oh goodness.
Oh my gosh.
- [Killian] I'm in a kind ofsame theme, different medium.
I wanna talk about thecomputer game "Unpacking."
And I am going to spoil this game.
So this is your added warning.
This is a very, likethe way this is marketed
(24:23):
is a game about putting away things
as the main character who you never see,
moves to different placesthroughout their life.
So you unpack their childhoodbedroom out of boxes,
and then you unpack a collegedorm room out of boxes
and you see the thingsthat they take with them
from that childhood bedroom to college.
But they also get new things.
(24:44):
They move into their first apartment
and you just see them gothroughout their life.
And eventually you get to a point
where they're clearlymoving in with a partner.
And it becomes really evident very quickly
as you're trying to unpackthis person's belongings
into this other person's apartment,
(25:04):
that this person has not bothered
to make any space for them.
You have to completely rearrangea closet to make space.
You have to kind of wedge
the main character'sbelongings into places
and the diploma that theyworked really hard for,
the only place that thegame will let you put it,
is like under the bed.
(25:26):
There's nowhere else to put it.
- [Nicole] Wow.
- [Killian] So that inand of itself, devastating
'cause we've all had, you know,
experience with eitherour own relationships
where someone didn't make space for us,
or we've seen a friend go through that
or something like that.
That's devastating.
She moves again.
So it's like, okay, cool.
She's out of this.
Great, amazing.
And then she moves again and you realize,
(25:48):
or no, she doesn't move again.
She moves into this apartment,
and then you come backto that same apartment
that she's moved into on her own.
But there's more boxes andyou start unpacking things
and eventually you get toa point where you realize
that the things that you are unpacking,
they're not her belongings.
Someone's moving in with her.
(26:09):
And then, and the thing that made me,
I instantly started sobbing,
realized another womanis moving in with her,
and you realize that thismain character is queer.
And I burst out sobbing when I have it.
I have watched severalstreamers play this game
for the first time and burst out sobbing.
All the streamers that I've watched
(26:31):
react to this have been by women,
who honestly like seeingthat representation in a game
and just so casually done,
it's not hugely marketed.
It just is.
Is so truly beautiful to see
and to feel like part of the world
(26:51):
that it falls into that like devastation
that you didn't have that sooner.
That that, that that is such a big deal.
And it is, and then it goeson and they move into a house
and then there's a baby andyou unpack the baby stuff
and it's just, it's verycute, and it's very sweet.
And I love this game.
(27:12):
I go back and I replay it often
and I always cry at the same points
because of just howbeautifully done it is.
- [Nicole] And that's suchan interesting concept
of like unpacking.
- [Killian] Mhm.- [Nicole] Like I don't know
like, that's really, really brilliant.
- [Killian] You, 'cause there'sno narration of this story.
- [Nicole] Yeah, you'rejust gathering information.
- [Killian] You get thestory from what you unpack.
So it's, you see the progressionof this person's career
(27:36):
as an artist and graphic designer
and becoming an illustrator.
So you go from having like sketchbooks
and art supplies to havinga digital drawing pad
and like the picture book thatyou, that she illustrated,
to having awards and stuffiesof the characters she drew.
It's this whole progression of a life
(27:56):
just through the things thatyou take with you through life
and the new things you acquireand the things you let go of.
And it's so good.
- [Nicole] Well, and that's something
that I think is relatable for all people,
once they get to a certain age.
We've all moved a coupletimes I would think.
Or maybe not, but you know,
it's something that is veryrelatable for a lot of people.
(28:19):
- [Amanda] What's the name of that again?
- [Killian] It's "Unpacking."
- [Amanda] Beautiful.
- [Nicole] Very cool.- [Drew] Yeah.
- [Nicole] All right, Well,
some, these are some of the things
that are sad in a good way.
I hope that you agree withsome of our sad good things
and we will see you next time.
Thank you for joining us for this episode
of "Distracted Librarians."
(28:40):
- [Drew] Many thanks to BCTVfor their support in recording,
editing, and releasing this podcast.
And to the friends of the library
for sponsoring closedcaptioning on every episode.
- [Killian] If you have anyquestions or suggestions,
feel free to reach out tous at distracted@btpl.org.
- [Amanda] Until then,keep those pages turning
and those screens lighting up.
(29:01):
We'll catch you in the next episode.
- [Emily] The views and opinions expressed
in the "Distracted Librarians" podcast
do not necessarily reflectthose of Bloomfield Township,
Bloomfield Township Public Library,
Bloomfield Community Television,
the Birmingham Area Cable Board,
or its producers or production staff.
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