S01 E13 Collagen After Cancer: Safe, Helpful, or Hype?

Collagen is one of the hottest supplements out there—promising glowing skin, stronger joints, and anti-aging magic. But what happens when you’ve been through cancer treatment? Is collagen safe, helpful, or just over-hyped?

In this episode of The Flourish After Cancer Podcast, I’m unpacking what collagen really does in the body, what the science says about its benefits, and the complicated role it may play in cancer biology.

⚠️ This is a must-listen if: • You’ve noticed changes to your skin, hair, or joints after cancer treatment • You’re wondering whether collagen will help you out and if it’s not going to encourage cancer

💊 In this episode, you’ll learn:

• What Collagen Is
• Why People Take It
• Collagen vs. Protein Powder
• What the Science Really Says
• The Cancer Connection
•  Practical Takeaways On Whether Or Not To Take Cancer

💡 You’ll leave this episode with: • A clear understanding of what collagen can and cannot do • A grounded perspective on whether collagen fits into your recovery plan

📚 Highlighted Research:

1. Effects of Collagen Supplements on Skin Aging: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of RCTs (2024) — 23 RCTs; collagen supplements significantly improved skin hydration, elasticity, and wrinkle appearance compared to baseline. PubMed
2. A Clinical Trial Shows Improvement in Skin Collagen, Hydration, Elasticity, Wrinkles, Scalp, and Hair Condition following 12-Week Oral Intake of a Supplement Containing Hydrolysed Collagen (2024) — in this trial, using hydrolyzed collagen improved hydration, elasticity, wrinkles, and also showed measurable histological improvements in collagen content in the upper (papillary) dermis compared to lower dermis. Wiley Online Library
3. Restoration of the Ultrastructural Integrity of the Dermal Collagen Network by 12-Week Ingestion of Special Collagen Peptides (2024) — found significant increases in collagen fiber network size and improved epidermal hyaluronic acid in human subjects after 12 weeks of supplementation.

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Episode Transcript

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The research that says people who have had a cancer diagnosis, if they consume collagen, that they have increased tumor growth or they have increased rates of recurrence.

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That research hasn't been done yet, which does leave us with an uncomfortable answer, and that's just that we just don't know.
But the way that I want to come at this from my education, based on what I've done in terms of how to learn, how to research better the research that I have done myself, my knowledge around how the body works, how tumors grow, how cancer grows, and clinically speaking, how often we have people coming to us taking collagen and how they don't seem to have an increased risk of cancer growing or anything like that compared to the general population as it stands right now with the knowledge that we've got available.

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.428571429I don't feel like this should be a large source of fear when it comes to cancer taking collagen, but I do feel like if you're going to take collagen, it's gotta be worth it. 5 00:01:24,320.31294681 --> 00:01:27,290.31294681 Welcome back to the Flourish After Cancer podcast. 6 00:01:27,290.31294681 --> 00:01:33,440.31294681 Today I am going to talk all about collagen because it is a very popular supplement. 7 00:01:33,440.31294681 --> 00:01:46,670.31294681 It is something that we often get questions about, particularly with our flourishers who are working with us in the roadmap recovery, or I get messages quite often as well online on posts in my Instagram messages, whatever it might be. 8 00:01:47,450.31294681 --> 00:01:51,320.31294681 So it must be something that you're wondering about too, especially if you're tuning into this episode right now. 9 00:01:51,620.31294681 --> 00:02:11,330.31294681 So today I'm hoping to go through what is collagen? What is it typically used for, how effective is it actually for that use? And is it safe for someone who has had a cancer diagnosis? I'm gonna walk through the process of figuring out if collagen is something that's maybe something a good option for you to take or not. 10 00:02:11,570.31294681 --> 00:02:14,420.31294681 And that's, we're gonna cover it all in this episode. 11 00:02:14,420.31294681 --> 00:02:15,350.31294681 So thanks for tuning in. 12 00:02:16,190.31294681 --> 00:02:26,360.31294681 First off, let's start with why do people take collagen anyway? What would be some reasons why you might be like, Hmm, I, I think this could be something I would wanna take. 13 00:02:26,690.31294681 --> 00:02:32,800.31294681 The most common one is typically that you're looking for skin, health, hair, skin, nails, potentially. 14 00:02:33,190.31294681 --> 00:02:40,420.31294681 And I do know that it's a common concern for women particularly who have gone through cancer treatment that you feel like. 15 00:02:40,740.31294681 --> 00:02:42,390.31294681 The treatment has aged you. 16 00:02:42,630.31294681 --> 00:02:45,750.31294681 It feels like the, your skin potentially has changed. 17 00:02:45,960.31294681 --> 00:03:01,410.31294681 Um, your body just doesn't feel the same as it used to, and collagen might be getting thrown in your face as an option for what you can do in order to help improve the elasticity or remove some of the wrinkles, or just kind of make your skin look healthier again. 18 00:03:01,705.31294681 --> 00:03:06,15.31294681 So that's quite often why we see people come to us and are wondering about collagen. 19 00:03:06,375.31294681 --> 00:03:11,355.31294681 Some other reasons would be for everything from like joint pain or joint health. 20 00:03:11,685.31294681 --> 00:03:14,895.31294681 Um, people have considered it for bone health as well. 21 00:03:15,185.31294681 --> 00:03:16,385.31294681 And muscle health. 22 00:03:16,615.31294681 --> 00:03:24,895.31294681 Gut health is something that's very common for people to look at collagen too, and potentially for wound healing, people might think of it for them for that. 23 00:03:24,895.31294681 --> 00:03:27,55.31294681 But typically we see people are like, um. 24 00:03:27,230.31294681 --> 00:03:29,630.31294681 I'm looking to make my hair grow nicer. 25 00:03:29,870.31294681 --> 00:03:31,970.31294681 Um, or my, my nails are brittle. 26 00:03:31,970.31294681 --> 00:03:33,170.31294681 Let's make them stronger. 27 00:03:33,170.31294681 --> 00:03:36,980.31294681 Or My skin has lost elasticity or just feels like I'm getting older. 28 00:03:37,260.31294681 --> 00:04:01,875.31294681 Would collagen be something that could help me with that? And is it safe because I've had a cancer diagnosis? So let's, now that you know kind of some reasons why you might want to take it, let's go through what actually is collagen and then I'll lead into, and I'll talk about collagen supplements, and then I'll lead into like, what does some of the research say around collagen and we'll actually figure out, we'll help you with that. 29 00:04:02,640.31294681 --> 00:04:05,850.31294681 But first, what is collagen? Collagen is a protein. 30 00:04:05,880.31294681 --> 00:04:07,710.31294681 It's under the category of proteins. 31 00:04:08,310.31294681 --> 00:04:15,360.31294681 Collagen is a major type of protein in your body where about 25 to 30% of the protein in your body is collagen. 32 00:04:15,690.31294681 --> 00:04:17,460.31294681 There are a bunch of different types of collagen. 33 00:04:17,460.31294681 --> 00:04:19,740.31294681 I'm not gonna get into the nitty gritty details right now. 34 00:04:19,740.31294681 --> 00:04:22,920.31294681 I just kind of want to leave you with something to understand and take home with. 35 00:04:23,140.31294681 --> 00:04:23,950.31294681 That's factual. 36 00:04:24,40.31294681 --> 00:04:26,890.31294681 But truly collagen is, there's a bunch of different types. 37 00:04:27,190.31294681 --> 00:04:35,410.31294681 What it really does, the, uh, the impact of it is that it provides strength and structure to a lot of the different parts of your body. 38 00:04:35,410.31294681 --> 00:04:46,360.31294681 Everything from skin and, and nails and things like that, to your muscles, to your bones, to even like the cartilage in your ears or, uh, cartilage in other places. 39 00:04:46,570.31294681 --> 00:04:54,850.31294681 Tendons, all of this has a lot of collagen in it, and you can see that a lot of these materials, like the cartilage in your ears or the tendons. 40 00:04:55,40.31294681 --> 00:04:56,330.31294681 They are structural. 41 00:04:56,330.31294681 --> 00:05:01,730.31294681 They require a structure in order to stand firm, and that's a lot of that is collagen. 42 00:05:02,0.31294681 --> 00:05:03,590.31294681 So that's what collagen does it. 43 00:05:03,680.31294681 --> 00:05:05,165.31294681 It provides structure and strength. 44 00:05:06,250.31294681 --> 00:05:11,20.31294681 How you get collagen is either through diet or supplementation. 45 00:05:11,350.31294681 --> 00:05:20,920.31294681 And typically collagen is made from some like a specific layout of amino acids, which are all building blocks to different proteins. 46 00:05:21,160.31294681 --> 00:05:33,385.31294681 So it's certain mix of amino acids and you can make collagen in your body from eating a variety of foods that contain the specific amino acids that make up the collagen, as well as making sure that you've got vitamins. 47 00:05:33,820.31294681 --> 00:05:41,890.31294681 See zinc and copper in your diet because they also help to make the whole structure of collagen make up the collagen alongside the amino acids. 48 00:05:42,460.31294681 --> 00:05:47,50.31294681 You can straight up eat collagen as well whenever you're consuming some animal products. 49 00:05:47,230.31294681 --> 00:05:50,20.31294681 So if you're having any beef or poultry. 50 00:05:50,785.31294681 --> 00:05:58,165.31294681 The connective tissue within those meats, within the, the, the beef or the poultry that is actually collagen. 51 00:05:58,165.31294681 --> 00:06:01,345.31294681 So you're straight up eating collagen whenever you eat those products. 52 00:06:01,585.31294681 --> 00:06:07,465.31294681 You can also have bone broth, um, whenever you consume any sort of like gelatin. 53 00:06:07,530.31294681 --> 00:06:10,710.31294681 Powders that actually has collagen in it as well. 54 00:06:10,710.31294681 --> 00:06:14,730.31294681 So your body doesn't have to make collagen from anything that you're giving it. 55 00:06:14,910.31294681 --> 00:06:22,410.31294681 It actually has the collagen within those products, and then it just shunts it to parts of the body that require the collagen. 56 00:06:22,730.31294681 --> 00:06:27,320.31294681 Whereas let's say you're a vegetarian or vegan, you don't eat animal products. 57 00:06:27,590.31294681 --> 00:06:32,60.31294681 You can't technically eat collagen, but your body can make collagen. 58 00:06:32,850.31294681 --> 00:06:43,260.31294681 So if you're having like your protein in your legume, so your chickpeas, lentils, beans, uh, they have different types of amino acids, different types of proteins in there. 59 00:06:43,470.31294681 --> 00:06:52,105.31294681 You can take those amino acids and then say if you're eating other vegetables that have the vitamin C, the zinc, the copper, it'll go. 60 00:06:52,625.31294681 --> 00:06:56,675.31294681 Combine all of that together in order to make collagen within your body. 61 00:06:56,825.31294681 --> 00:07:05,195.31294681 So even though you're not gonna be straight up eating the collagen from any sort of animal source, your body can still make collagen from those different sources as well. 62 00:07:06,55.31294681 --> 00:07:11,215.31294681 In particular, if you're looking to consume more collagen in your diet, you would wanna look at nuts and seeds. 63 00:07:11,215.31294681 --> 00:07:16,645.31294681 They're, they're a good source of certain amino acids that are very dominant, predominant in collagen. 64 00:07:16,855.31294681 --> 00:07:21,205.31294681 So, uh, I think it's proline and lysine and they're very important for making collagen. 65 00:07:21,205.31294681 --> 00:07:22,135.31294681 So nuts and seeds. 66 00:07:22,515.31294681 --> 00:07:30,135.31294681 Um, making sure you're getting your protein, making sure you're eating fruits and vegetables that are rich in vitamin Cs, in copper, and other foods that might be rich in that. 67 00:07:30,285.31294681 --> 00:07:36,655.31294681 That's how you can make collagen or you can just eat collagen in things like like beef and, and chicken basically. 68 00:07:36,955.31294681 --> 00:07:37,345.31294681 Okay. 69 00:07:38,35.31294681 --> 00:07:42,325.31294681 Um, collagen production does decrease naturally over time. 70 00:07:43,85.31294681 --> 00:07:49,485.31294681 Um, stress can potentially like even some like emotional stress can potentially lower the collagen in your body. 71 00:07:49,695.31294681 --> 00:07:55,575.31294681 Smoking, if you're a smoker, it can reduce the amount of collagen in your body as well as sun exposure. 72 00:07:55,575.31294681 --> 00:07:57,705.31294681 It breaks down the collagen molecule, so. 73 00:07:57,860.31294681 --> 00:08:04,100.31294681 Where your safe, sunscreens and poor sleep has been shown to reduce collagen production in your body as well. 74 00:08:04,610.31294681 --> 00:08:22,70.31294681 So if we're looking to, again, improve collagen more naturally through foods, we wanna focus on I potentially eating the collagen in actual animal products or consuming foods, uh, that are plant rich and they have a lot of protein, zinc, vitamin C, copper in them. 75 00:08:22,70.31294681 --> 00:08:24,440.31294681 'cause you're gonna be able to make the collagen molecule that way. 76 00:08:25,575.31294681 --> 00:08:31,575.31294681 Let's quickly talk about collagen powders and compare them to protein powders too. 77 00:08:31,605.31294681 --> 00:08:42,585.31294681 This is a common question that our clients will have is what's the difference if I take collagen powder versus protein powder, or, you know what, I already have a collagen powder at home and I just want to put that in my smoothie. 78 00:08:42,705.31294681 --> 00:08:48,585.31294681 Can I use that instead of going and buying another protein powder? So they are fairly different. 79 00:08:48,945.31294681 --> 00:09:02,715.31294681 And the biggest reason is that whenever you have a protein powder, typically you're gonna buy what's called a complete protein powder or a complete, it's gonna have basically all the protein essential amino acids in it that we want. 80 00:09:02,985.31294681 --> 00:09:05,325.31294681 Essential amino acids are things that your body can't make. 81 00:09:05,325.31294681 --> 00:09:06,915.31294681 We actually have to consume them. 82 00:09:07,125.31294681 --> 00:09:10,695.31294681 So if you're having a protein powder, it's probably gonna be complete. 83 00:09:10,695.31294681 --> 00:09:15,135.31294681 'cause they don't really make too many not complete protein powders anymore that are more popular. 84 00:09:15,375.31294681 --> 00:09:20,235.31294681 So you're gonna be consuming a complete protein powder and it's gonna have all the essential amino acids. 85 00:09:20,505.31294681 --> 00:09:30,75.31294681 Whereas if you're consuming a collagen powder, it is missing some of the, uh, it's missing, uh, essential amino acids and one of them, and it's also low in some of the other ones. 86 00:09:30,75.31294681 --> 00:09:31,155.31294681 So you're not getting the. 87 00:09:31,470.31294681 --> 00:09:37,500.31294681 The same balance of the different building blocks of the proteins in a collagen powder versus a protein powder. 88 00:09:37,710.31294681 --> 00:09:43,440.31294681 So protein powder is a little bit more comprehensive, a little bit more well-rounded, whereas a collagen protein powder. 89 00:09:44,130.31294681 --> 00:09:48,630.31294681 It's very specific to the building blocks of collagen, just one type of protein. 90 00:09:48,630.31294681 --> 00:09:54,0.31294681 Whereas a protein powder would have a whole bunch of different types of things in there, different bunches of, uh, building blocks. 91 00:09:54,0.31294681 --> 00:10:01,860.31294681 Alright? So we typically would more often encourage people to look at, uh, having a complete protein powder. 92 00:10:01,935.31294681 --> 00:10:12,795.31294681 Over just consuming a collagen powder because they're still missing some of the essential amino acids that our body needs in order to do other functions above and beyond whatever is needed by collagen. 93 00:10:13,35.31294681 --> 00:10:25,305.31294681 Basically you're getting extra bonuses from a complete protein powder that you might not be getting from a collagen, but a collagen would be a little bit more of a concentrated amount of collagen powder, but you're still missing some things from a protein powder. 94 00:10:26,235.31294681 --> 00:10:33,220.31294681 And just another little thing here is that you might have heard of vegan collagen powders, and they're really not. 95 00:10:33,870.31294681 --> 00:10:35,310.31294681 They're really not collagen. 96 00:10:35,610.31294681 --> 00:10:44,460.31294681 So what vegan collagen powders are is they're, they're basically just the nutrients that can be made into collagen in your body. 97 00:10:44,460.31294681 --> 00:10:50,160.31294681 So typically would con, it would contain like vitamin C, zinc, potentially copper. 98 00:10:50,270.31294681 --> 00:10:53,720.31294681 You might see other like B vitamins, like biotin or whatever in there. 99 00:10:54,20.31294681 --> 00:11:13,430.31294681 And the thought process behind a vegan collagen powder is that you're giving your body some of the building blocks, some of the resources that it needs in order to make collagen in your body, which is different from a collagen supplement that's not vegan, where you're actually taking the collagen and your body just takes it and uses it. 100 00:11:13,430.31294681 --> 00:11:18,980.31294681 It doesn't have to make anything from that supplement that you might be taking if you're taking a straight up collagen supplement. 101 00:11:19,10.31294681 --> 00:11:19,280.31294681 Okay. 102 00:11:20,310.31294681 --> 00:11:35,220.31294681 The last little point about collagen supplements I want to mention is that collagen itself is a large molecule and it doesn't get properly absorbed through like your gut into the bloodstream and then delivered to the tissues that collagen would be needed in in order to. 103 00:11:35,685.31294681 --> 00:11:37,215.31294681 Do whatever you want it to do. 104 00:11:37,575.31294681 --> 00:11:45,465.31294681 So if you're going to get a collagen supplement, you pretty much have to make sure that it's gonna be a hydrolyzed collagen supplement. 105 00:11:45,675.31294681 --> 00:11:48,15.31294681 Otherwise it's not gonna do a whole lot. 106 00:11:48,15.31294681 --> 00:11:49,665.31294681 Your body doesn't use it, use it. 107 00:11:49,665.31294681 --> 00:11:52,305.31294681 You just basically poop it out, I think is what happens. 108 00:11:52,665.31294681 --> 00:11:55,810.31294681 Um, you just don't, it's kinda like wasting your money 'cause the molecule. 109 00:11:56,190.31294681 --> 00:12:03,300.31294681 Molecule's so large, it just can't get through any of like the intestinal barriers, or if some of it does, it doesn't get into the actual cells to where it's needed. 110 00:12:03,300.31294681 --> 00:12:11,160.31294681 I can't remember exactly where it gets blocked, but it just doesn't get to where you want it to be, and then it's a waste of money because your body's just not using it. 111 00:12:12,0.31294681 --> 00:12:13,650.31294681 So we wanna make sure that it's hydrolyzed. 112 00:12:13,650.31294681 --> 00:12:16,80.31294681 Collagen peptides basically is what we're looking for. 113 00:12:16,260.31294681 --> 00:12:28,970.31294681 If you were to look for a collagen supplement, which honest to goodness is most commonly what a collagen supplement is these days it's, it's probably a little bit rare to come across a collagen supplement that's not hydrolyzed. 114 00:12:28,970.31294681 --> 00:12:33,980.31294681 So, but just take a quick peek, whether it's on the, the main part of your collagen. 115 00:12:34,430.31294681 --> 00:12:36,680.31294681 Box or, um, container, whatever it might be. 116 00:12:36,680.31294681 --> 00:12:40,970.31294681 Or it might be in the ingredients, it might actually say hydrolyzed collagen in the ingredients list. 117 00:12:41,870.31294681 --> 00:12:49,160.31294681 And uh, another quick thing is there's a sometimes a bit of a, a fad or a craze, I guess around topical collagen. 118 00:12:49,160.31294681 --> 00:12:50,450.31294681 So you might get like a night cream. 119 00:12:50,825.31294681 --> 00:13:06,785.31294681 That spouts out marketing information that it contains collagen for improving skin's plumpness, according to research, which I'll get into some research in a minute, but there's no good research showing that collagen in a topical form by putting it in a cream. 120 00:13:07,625.31294681 --> 00:13:09,35.31294681 Is actually beneficial. 121 00:13:09,185.31294681 --> 00:13:21,125.31294681 It's oral topical that we might see some benefit from, sorry, oral collagen that we might see some benefit from when it comes to supporting someone's hair, skin, nails, joints, whatever we're taking it for. 122 00:13:21,305.31294681 --> 00:13:23,645.31294681 It has to be oral for the most part. 123 00:13:23,925.31294681 --> 00:13:30,105.31294681 So it's just a marketing scheme to say that there's collagen in your night cream and it's gonna help with wrinkles. 124 00:13:30,105.31294681 --> 00:13:32,355.31294681 It's probably not true, unfortunately. 125 00:13:33,595.31294681 --> 00:13:40,345.31294681 Alright, so what does the evidence say in a little bit more detail? I, I just picked out a couple of studies here that are a little bit more recent. 126 00:13:40,705.31294681 --> 00:13:49,15.31294681 Overall though, the research on collagen and its actual effectiveness around, let's start with skin health is kind of like weak. 127 00:13:49,45.31294681 --> 00:13:50,755.31294681 That's, there's not a lot out there. 128 00:13:50,755.31294681 --> 00:13:51,445.31294681 It's decent. 129 00:13:51,445.31294681 --> 00:14:10,65.31294681 It's, it could be worse for sure, and we do have to make sure that we're not looking at just, bias studies, biased studies, either because sometimes it's a supplement company that will go and fund their own study and, you know, they're probably gonna throw out the research if it didn't show what we, what they wanted it to show. 130 00:14:10,325.31294681 --> 00:14:16,565.31294681 So we might only be seeing the best of the best of whatever research might be being done if it is done by certain supplement companies. 131 00:14:16,775.31294681 --> 00:14:22,955.31294681 And fair enough, it is hard to get funding done for a lot of natural supplements and, and things like that. 132 00:14:22,955.31294681 --> 00:14:24,995.31294681 So it's hard to get non-biased. 133 00:14:25,280.31294681 --> 00:14:27,200.31294681 Funding non-biased research done. 134 00:14:27,510.31294681 --> 00:14:32,370.31294681 So sometimes supplement companies do have to fund their own research in order to be able to make some claims around their products. 135 00:14:32,370.31294681 --> 00:14:32,910.31294681 For sure. 136 00:14:33,120.31294681 --> 00:14:35,730.31294681 And it's just not a fair world sometimes, but that's how it is. 137 00:14:35,850.31294681 --> 00:14:47,630.31294681 We just have to be cautious whenever we're reading some of these studies just to make sure that, they're pretty much like, we can trust 'em for the most part, but just make sure that they're, they're telling the results in a very non-biased way, as best as possible. 138 00:14:48,440.31294681 --> 00:14:52,100.31294681 But overall, some studies do show modest benefits for skin and joint health. 139 00:14:52,160.31294681 --> 00:14:57,410.31294681 Uh, for example, there was a randomized controlled trial, and I'll try my best to, uh, link them into the show notes. 140 00:14:57,410.31294681 --> 00:15:00,440.31294681 Sometimes my brain forgets and, but I'll make sure I try to put them in there. 141 00:15:00,800.31294681 --> 00:15:04,850.31294681 Um, so the randomized controlled trial, it was about 12 weeks and it was. 142 00:15:04,875.31294681 --> 00:15:13,335.31294681 Using hydrolyzed peptides, so hydrolyzed collagen and the participants, they did see increased skin hydration and elasticity. 143 00:15:13,485.31294681 --> 00:15:17,505.31294681 Basically, they saw that their skin was a little bit more plumper and bouncier. 144 00:15:18,50.31294681 --> 00:15:20,930.31294681 They also saw decreased wrinkles, which was kind of cool. 145 00:15:21,200.31294681 --> 00:15:25,690.31294681 And the, the, so just quickly, the randomized control trial is a pretty good study. 146 00:15:25,900.31294681 --> 00:15:31,520.31294681 Um, you're, you're randomizing who gets the therapy or not which is fantastic way to look at things. 147 00:15:31,550.31294681 --> 00:15:35,360.31294681 It was a small trial, but 12 weeks hydrolyzed peptides decent. 148 00:15:35,735.31294681 --> 00:15:43,55.31294681 There was some results seen and yeah, it was, it was pretty positive there, so it could potentially help with wrinkles, skin elasticity. 149 00:15:43,55.31294681 --> 00:15:48,335.31294681 If you're feeling like you've aged a little bit from any of the treatment that you might've received, this could potentially help. 150 00:15:49,650.31294681 --> 00:15:52,140.31294681 And then there's a second study in 2024. 151 00:15:52,170.31294681 --> 00:15:55,410.31294681 Again, they saw improved skin hydration elasticity. 152 00:15:55,560.31294681 --> 00:16:06,990.31294681 They also looked at hair in skin health as well, so they saw that the hair was like a little bit more luscious, um, sorry, hair in scalp health and that the scalp was nice, like just healthier looking too. 153 00:16:07,260.31294681 --> 00:16:09,60.31294681 Um, just hair was growing better. 154 00:16:09,255.31294681 --> 00:16:14,985.31294681 Pretty much what they're looking at after I think this is another 12 week study when they looked at collagen, taking collagen. 155 00:16:15,465.31294681 --> 00:16:17,475.31294681 So overall there are potentially some benefits. 156 00:16:17,475.31294681 --> 00:16:20,475.31294681 I do have to say those are the, the pros of taking collagen. 157 00:16:20,475.31294681 --> 00:16:24,135.31294681 There are a lot of studies as well that don't show any benefit whatsoever. 158 00:16:24,315.31294681 --> 00:16:30,195.31294681 It's not like collagen makes things worse, but it's very hit and miss, and I find that with our clients as well. 159 00:16:30,765.31294681 --> 00:16:36,255.31294681 So if typically we, we don't really prescribe collagen, I'll get into that in a, in a, just a little bit as well. 160 00:16:36,435.31294681 --> 00:16:39,695.31294681 But typically people come to us and they're already taking collagen. 161 00:16:39,695.31294681 --> 00:16:47,945.3129468 They're like, should I continue to take it or not? And we're just like, well, do you think it's actually helping? And some people will be like, straight up, no, no, I don't think it's helping. 162 00:16:47,945.3129468 --> 00:16:49,445.3129468 So we're like, well, stop taking it. 163 00:16:49,535.3129468 --> 00:16:50,705.3129468 And some people were like, yes. 164 00:16:50,705.3129468 --> 00:16:52,355.3129468 Like I absolutely saw that my. 165 00:16:52,595.3129468 --> 00:17:00,305.3129468 Nails were less brittle and my hair grew back nice and shinier and stronger, and I do think that it's making my wrinkles go away a little bit. 166 00:17:00,575.3129468 --> 00:17:08,175.3129468 And I would say it's, it's very hard to tell if it's gonna work for someone or not, but based on the evidence, we do have pros and cons. 167 00:17:08,175.3129468 --> 00:17:11,745.3129468 Likes, again, some research shows benefit as I just went through there. 168 00:17:11,865.3129468 --> 00:17:18,225.3129468 And then there's just some research that there's no, there's no significant benefit that has been shown to show any improvement. 169 00:17:18,765.3129468 --> 00:17:20,955.3129468 But I have to say we don't see any harm. 170 00:17:20,955.3129468 --> 00:17:29,535.3129468 We don't see people get more wrinkles or brittle or nails or worse hair or more painful joints or anything like that if they were to take the collagen. 171 00:17:31,705.3129468 --> 00:17:39,505.3129468 I wanna take a quick pause to share something that could make a huge difference in your health and drastically lower your cancer recurrence risk. 172 00:17:39,835.3129468 --> 00:17:54,865.3129468 My free training, the First four Steps to Staying Cancer-Free, walks you through the four most impactful steps to lower your risk of recurrence backed by research and proven through the work my team and I have done with thousands of women worldwide. 173 00:17:55,510.3129468 --> 00:18:06,670.3129468 Inside you'll learn how to choose the right nutrition, supplements, and lab work to uncover your personal health strengths and cancer 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and put it into one and then analyze it statistically that way. 181 00:18:49,826.9055944 --> 00:18:54,926.9055944 And they were looking at collagen dressings, so not oral collagen, but collagen dressings. 182 00:18:54,986.9055944 --> 00:19:02,156.9055944 And seeing did that improve the healing process for anyone who had some wounds that wanted to be needed to be healed. 183 00:19:02,306.9055944 --> 00:19:10,656.9055944 And they did see that they, they had faster healing just improved speed at which the wound healed when people were doing these collagen dressings. 184 00:19:10,936.9055944 --> 00:19:11,956.9055944 That being said, the. 185 00:19:12,236.9055944 --> 00:19:14,366.9055944 Use of oral collagen for wound healing. 186 00:19:14,366.9055944 --> 00:19:21,736.9055944 So just taking a, a collagen supplement has not really shown a lot of benefit in terms of wound healing. 187 00:19:21,736.9055944 --> 00:19:28,426.9055944 They need to do more studies for sure, but whatever they have done, it's just like, eh, it didn't really help any with speeding the time to heal. 188 00:19:28,786.9055944 --> 00:19:35,116.9055944 Whereas the, uh, topical collagen dressing did show improvement for wound healing, not the same. 189 00:19:35,361.9055944 --> 00:19:39,321.9055944 Application as if you were to put it in a night cream and see a difference. 190 00:19:39,321.9055944 --> 00:19:41,151.9055944 So different ways that these things are delivered. 191 00:19:42,321.9055944 --> 00:19:52,251.9055944 I believe the collagen dressings were done on more open wounds where if, if you're applying a collagen in a night cream and hoping to reduce your wrinkles, it's just not gonna get absorbed into the skin this way. 192 00:19:52,431.9055944 --> 00:19:58,431.9055944 Whereas if we have an a more open wound, it's gonna be absorbed into the, the area a little bit more effectively. 193 00:19:58,831.9055944 --> 00:20:04,441.9055944 And then the way the dressings are made too, I think they might have added some potentially things that help with the absorption. 194 00:20:04,561.9055944 --> 00:20:19,801.9055944 I think going into it too in depth, because we don't typically deal with wound healing, and this is definitely something that your surgeon or your medical professional who sees you in person should be a part of the conversation with because they might have better things than even collagen dressings. 195 00:20:20,101.9055944 --> 00:20:24,626.9055944 It's most likely that do have better things than collagen dressings for you to use in order to improve wound healing. 196 00:20:26,196.9055944 --> 00:20:29,556.9055944 So just overall, like some of the studies are pretty short, just up to 12 weeks. 197 00:20:29,556.9055944 --> 00:20:33,396.9055944 Maybe if we applied the collagen for longer, people might see more of a benefit. 198 00:20:33,396.9055944 --> 00:20:42,666.9055944 Like 12 weeks is not really like, it seems long, but it's at the same time, it's not really that long when it comes to applying a natural therapy in order to fix wrinkles, for example, or joint pain for example. 199 00:20:42,666.9055944 --> 00:20:48,336.9055944 That might be, that have been there for a long time, whether it's due to arthritis or joint pain from any sort of. 200 00:20:48,401.9055944 --> 00:20:54,821.9055944 Hormone blocking medications that you might be on, it might take longer than 12 weeks in order for the collagen to truly build and, and make a difference. 201 00:20:55,181.9055944 --> 00:21:02,261.9055944 Um, we gotta be careful bias studies because some of the companies that sell collagen will do their own studies and we just gotta be careful of what their outcomes could be. 202 00:21:02,471.9055944 --> 00:21:08,841.9055944 I mean, like, I would say most of the time it's pretty safe to assume that their, their information is legitimate, but it's just. 203 00:21:08,901.9055944 --> 00:21:12,471.9055944 Part of analyzing research is we wanna watch out for that kind of thing. 204 00:21:12,951.9055944 --> 00:21:17,1.9055944 And just again, like results are not really consistent across all outcomes. 205 00:21:17,91.9055944 --> 00:21:20,151.9055944 We have some studies that show benefits, some studies that show no benefit. 206 00:21:20,301.9055944 --> 00:21:20,691.9055944 Overall. 207 00:21:20,691.9055944 --> 00:21:24,651.9055944 We don't see any harm in it in terms of a general population. 208 00:21:25,191.9055944 --> 00:21:27,861.9055944 So it's kind of like you gotta try it for yourself. 209 00:21:27,861.9055944 --> 00:21:30,81.9055944 And again, I'll get into what that might look like for you. 210 00:21:30,891.9055944 --> 00:21:34,341.9055944 The real question here is though, so I'm talking more general population. 211 00:21:34,341.9055944 --> 00:21:35,841.9055944 When I talk about the benefits of. 212 00:21:36,181.9055944 --> 00:21:39,61.9055944 Joint health and skin health and stuff like that with the collagen. 213 00:21:39,271.9055944 --> 00:21:51,451.9055944 But let's say that you wanna improve your skin health and or you wanna improve your joint pain, you want your hair to grow out better, you want less brittle nails, but a lot of this might, might have happened because you had a cancer diagnosis. 214 00:21:51,721.9055944 --> 00:21:57,31.9055944 So let's now talk about collagen and how it impacts cancer GR growth. 215 00:21:57,361.9055944 --> 00:21:58,486.9055944 So when we're looking at. 216 00:21:59,196.9055944 --> 00:22:01,626.9055944 Cancer and tumor biology and collagen. 217 00:22:01,806.9055944 --> 00:22:11,736.9055944 We actually see that tumors that tend to have more collagen in the tumor microenvironment, so in the cellular aspect, they do tend to have faster tumor growth. 218 00:22:12,66.9055944 --> 00:22:14,766.9055944 They can invade deeper into tissues. 219 00:22:14,766.9055944 --> 00:22:18,846.9055944 They might spread a little bit more often if there's more collagen around there. 220 00:22:19,441.9055944 --> 00:22:21,991.9055944 Compared to tumors that might have less collagen around there. 221 00:22:22,291.9055944 --> 00:22:39,911.9055944 So there is this kind of caution that we wanna take that in this molecular at a cell study when they're actually doing like a biopsy of a tumor, they're looking at the collagen content and seeing that we do see increased growth spread deeper growth with a collagen rich tumor. 222 00:22:40,421.9055944 --> 00:22:48,926.9055944 That being said, does that mean that taking collagen is going to have an impact on the actual collagen in the tumor microenvironment? The answer is probably not. 223 00:22:49,406.9055944 --> 00:22:55,976.9055944 So whenever you take oral collagen, it doesn't mean that it's actually gonna get to the tumor. 224 00:22:55,976.9055944 --> 00:22:57,386.9055944 So you eat, you have to eat it. 225 00:22:58,211.9055944 --> 00:23:00,11.9055944 It has to go through your digestive tract. 226 00:23:00,191.9055944 --> 00:23:04,721.9055944 It then has to get kind of broken up or, I don't know, shaken up a little bit. 227 00:23:04,871.9055944 --> 00:23:11,741.9055944 Then it gets delivered through your bloodstream, and then it has to potentially go and like reach the tumor, which it might not make it there. 228 00:23:11,741.9055944 --> 00:23:16,961.9055944 It might have a it might have a preference to go to your joints, to your hair, to your skin, to your nails, things like that. 229 00:23:17,111.9055944 --> 00:23:22,721.9055944 The actual dose that might be reaching the tumor is potentially, most likely pretty low. 230 00:23:22,901.9055944 --> 00:23:25,31.9055944 We just don't have that solid information right now. 231 00:23:25,31.9055944 --> 00:23:25,961.9055944 We don't have. 232 00:23:26,191.9055944 --> 00:23:35,821.9055944 The research that says people who, um, have had a cancer diagnosis, if they consume collagen, that they have increased tumor growth or they have increased rates of recurrence. 233 00:23:36,31.9055944 --> 00:23:41,821.9055944 That research hasn't been done yet, which does leave us with an uncomfortable answer, and that's just that we just don't know. 234 00:23:42,506.9055944 --> 00:23:58,586.9055944 But the way that I want to come at this from my education based on what I've done in terms of how to learn, how to research better the research that I have done myself, my knowledge around how the body works, how tumors grow, how cancer grows, and clinically. 235 00:23:58,746.9055944 --> 00:24:12,366.9055944 Speaking, um, how often we have people coming to us taking collagen, um, and how they don't seem to have an increased risk of cancer growing or anything like that compared to the general population as it stands right now with the knowledge that we've got available. 236 00:24:12,726.9055944 --> 00:24:22,936.9055944 I don't feel like this should be a large, uh, source of fear when it comes to cancer taking collagen, but I do feel like if you're going to take collagen, it's gotta be worth it. 237 00:24:22,936.9055944 --> 00:24:27,591.9055944 So we actually want it to be making a difference when it comes to whatever reason you're taking it for. 238 00:24:28,566.9055944 --> 00:24:44,556.9055944 So let's go through what that would look like and how to figure out if it's kind of worth the benefit of stronger nails, less wrinkles, less joint pain to take collagen versus do we even know if it's gonna have an impact on cancer growth or not. 239 00:24:45,6.9055944 --> 00:24:47,826.9055944 So this is kind of the process I would walk through. 240 00:24:47,826.9055944 --> 00:24:53,976.9055944 I always say with my mom who has had a cancer diagnosis, and if my mom were to come to me and she's like. 241 00:24:54,726.9055944 --> 00:25:00,366.9055944 I've got some joint pain or I really want to improve the youthfulness of my skin. 242 00:25:00,616.9055944 --> 00:25:02,296.9055944 And I heard collagen could be helpful. 243 00:25:02,296.9055944 --> 00:25:09,766.9055944 Can we give it a try? So my first thing would be like, okay, so you wanna take it, um, for joint pain or skin health? Let's try these other things. 244 00:25:09,766.9055944 --> 00:25:09,826.9055944 So. 245 00:25:10,26.9055944 --> 00:25:13,776.9055944 First, um, because again, we don't have the information on collagen. 246 00:25:13,776.9055944 --> 00:25:24,936.9055944 I'm not totally afraid of it, but I wanna see is there other things that might be safer, potentially less harm, potentially less impact on cancer growth? So let's try all these other things first for whether it's skin health or joint health. 247 00:25:24,936.9055944 --> 00:25:26,496.9055944 We would go through whatever that might be. 248 00:25:27,96.9055944 --> 00:25:34,146.9055944 If we tried that or maybe she already tried it and it just didn't work, we'd be like, okay, so then let's try the collagen. 249 00:25:34,786.9055944 --> 00:25:40,336.9055944 And the first thing I would do, and this is what I want you to do as well, is I want you to assess. 250 00:25:40,816.9055944 --> 00:25:47,26.9055944 What are you taking it for in great detail? So let's say you're taking it for joint pain. 251 00:25:47,236.9055944 --> 00:25:50,776.9055944 You wanna take collagen and you wanna make sure that it improves your joint pain. 252 00:25:51,406.9055944 --> 00:26:14,416.9055944 So you want to first assess the joint pain on a scale of one to 10, 10 being excruciating pain, one being barely there, where would you rate your joint pain? How often is it happening in a day, in a week? How is it interfering with your life? Does it anything make it better? Does anything make it worse? Basically, I want you to fully assess whatever the symptom is that you're trying to address. 253 00:26:14,596.9055944 --> 00:26:22,66.9055944 And here's the reason why is because you're going to then assess, you're gonna take your treatment and then you're gonna reassess. 254 00:26:22,66.9055944 --> 00:26:27,316.9055944 Do you actually notice a difference? 'cause as humans, we often forget where we start it from. 255 00:26:27,316.9055944 --> 00:26:30,466.9055944 So then we apply a treatment change, and then maybe it does work. 256 00:26:30,466.9055944 --> 00:26:33,136.9055944 And we just totally forgot how bad it was before. 257 00:26:33,286.9055944 --> 00:26:34,576.9055944 It's still maybe there. 258 00:26:34,601.9055944 --> 00:26:37,571.9055944 But maybe it's like even 20% of what it used to be. 259 00:26:37,571.9055944 --> 00:26:40,481.9055944 But as humans, we forget that it used to be so much worse. 260 00:26:41,141.9055944 --> 00:26:48,131.9055944 So especially three months later, four months later, when it takes us about that much time in order to know if a therapy is working or not, you're gonna forget. 261 00:26:48,161.9055944 --> 00:26:48,551.9055944 Oh yeah. 262 00:26:48,551.9055944 --> 00:26:54,71.9055944 Like I couldn't get up outta my chair 'cause my joint pain was so bad I couldn't exercise. 263 00:26:54,71.9055944 --> 00:26:55,481.9055944 Like I was barely walking. 264 00:26:55,721.9055944 --> 00:26:57,761.9055944 And then you end up three months later, like. 265 00:26:58,441.9055944 --> 00:26:58,651.9055944 Oh yeah. 266 00:26:58,651.9055944 --> 00:27:04,631.9055944 Like I still feel like I have trouble like on my rowing machine, but I definitely walk without thinking about it anymore. 267 00:27:04,811.9055944 --> 00:27:12,161.9055944 But if you don't truly assess your, your symptom before you treat it, or it's, it's super, it's a human nature. 268 00:27:12,161.9055944 --> 00:27:13,631.9055944 It's nothing to do with you. 269 00:27:13,631.9055944 --> 00:27:14,291.9055944 It's not a problem. 270 00:27:14,291.9055944 --> 00:27:18,731.9055944 I promise you, if you think this isn't you, it is you, you're gonna forget how bad it used to be. 271 00:27:19,811.9055944 --> 00:27:24,161.9055944 So make sure that whatever you're taking it for, I want you to assess as best as you can using. 272 00:27:24,256.9055944 --> 00:27:34,336.9055944 Numbers and objective markers, as well as subjective markers, like your words and how it made you feel, and how things interfered with, uh, your life, because then I want you to reassess down the road. 273 00:27:34,991.9055944 --> 00:27:37,691.9055944 So going back to this, let's say my mom's like, yeah, I have joint pain. 274 00:27:37,691.9055944 --> 00:27:39,671.9055944 We tried the other things, didn't quite work. 275 00:27:39,821.9055944 --> 00:27:40,871.9055944 Let's now try collagen. 276 00:27:40,871.9055944 --> 00:27:41,81.9055944 Okay. 277 00:27:41,111.9055944 --> 00:27:50,171.9055944 Oh, well, we're gonna assess everything that I just chatted about when it comes to joint pain, and then I'm gonna get you to take the collagen and make sure it's hydrolyzed and you're gonna take it. 278 00:27:50,566.9055944 --> 00:27:59,506.9055944 And then at four weeks, and then at eight weeks, and then at 12 weeks each of those increments, I'm gonna get you to go back to your initial journaling of where you started from. 279 00:27:59,536.9055944 --> 00:28:01,6.9055944 I don't want you to look at it yet. 280 00:28:01,6.9055944 --> 00:28:02,866.9055944 I want you to know what you're gonna be assessing. 281 00:28:03,76.9055944 --> 00:28:19,451.9055944 You're gonna reevaluate those things at four, eight, in 12 weeks to see did you actually notice a difference? Did your pain scale change? Are you now doing things that you weren't doing before? Because by 12 weeks at the time, that we would've expected the collagen to fully have an impact on your body. 282 00:28:20,411.9055944 --> 00:28:29,621.9055944 That's when we're gonna know, did it work? Did it not work? And at other check-in points along the way, you can also say like, you know what? It's not working as fast as I want. 283 00:28:29,621.9055944 --> 00:28:31,571.9055944 This is truly interfering with my life. 284 00:28:31,721.9055944 --> 00:28:39,891.9055944 I think it's time to lead the collagen in the past and move on to something that might be a little bit faster acting, harder hitting, whether it might be like for example for joint pain, we typically. 285 00:28:40,191.9055944 --> 00:28:41,601.9055944 Gear more towards glucosamine. 286 00:28:41,601.9055944 --> 00:28:41,991.9055944 Chondroitin. 287 00:28:42,51.9055944 --> 00:28:43,551.9055944 Again, it takes some time to start working. 288 00:28:43,761.9055944 --> 00:28:54,651.9055944 Or if it's so bad that you might have to try pharmaceuticals in the meantime, maybe that's where we wanna layer that in while we're working on other things, whether it's physiotherapy or potentially allowing the collagen to work a little bit more. 289 00:28:54,651.9055944 --> 00:28:56,511.9055944 And then we could take you off the pills. 290 00:28:56,511.9055944 --> 00:29:02,391.9055944 We wouldn't, but your prescribing physician could take you off the, the pharmaceutical pills that you might have been put on in order to manage the pain. 291 00:29:02,691.9055944 --> 00:29:05,481.9055944 There's little ways that we wanna check in along the way to see if it's working. 292 00:29:06,96.9055944 --> 00:29:09,306.9055944 But just overall concept is assess what you're taking it for. 293 00:29:09,576.9055944 --> 00:29:13,266.9055944 Know when you're gonna check in along the way to see is it actually working or not. 294 00:29:13,386.9055944 --> 00:29:19,326.9055944 And then at the end of your little science experiment, you're gonna be like, yeah, I, I do notice a difference. 295 00:29:19,326.9055944 --> 00:29:20,886.9055944 The collagen is definitely helping. 296 00:29:21,156.9055944 --> 00:29:23,436.9055944 And you're gonna think like, okay, so nothing else worked. 297 00:29:23,676.9055944 --> 00:29:24,171.9055944 I can now. 298 00:29:24,866.9055944 --> 00:29:27,416.9055944 Move without pain, I'm now exercising more. 299 00:29:27,536.9055944 --> 00:29:36,776.9055944 I know that exercises is gonna reduce my recurrence risk by over 50%, whereas we don't really know if collagen is truly gonna have an impact on cancer or not. 300 00:29:37,106.9055944 --> 00:29:45,266.9055944 So I am super happy with continuing to take the collagen despite the very minimal potential for collagen to potentially encourage cancer to grow. 301 00:29:45,446.9055944 --> 00:29:47,6.9055944 It's barely there compared to now. 302 00:29:47,6.9055944 --> 00:29:51,146.9055944 I can exercise and that's gonna reduce my risk over 50% in some populations. 303 00:29:51,446.9055944 --> 00:29:54,596.9055944 Heck, I'm gonna keep taking the collagen because I know it's working. 304 00:29:55,326.9055944 --> 00:30:00,456.9055944 The thing I don't want to see is you're taking collagen and you don't even think it's making a difference. 305 00:30:00,456.9055944 --> 00:30:02,76.9055944 You don't even know if it's making a difference. 306 00:30:02,76.9055944 --> 00:30:06,786.9055944 So one, it's not making a difference, so why are you still taking it? Let's not get you to keep taking it. 307 00:30:06,966.9055944 --> 00:30:12,36.9055944 And two, there is the potential, very small possibility of it, encouraging cancer to grow there. 308 00:30:12,546.9055944 --> 00:30:13,506.9055944 Let's just not take it. 309 00:30:14,106.9055944 --> 00:30:16,746.9055944 So going back to just some overarching concepts. 310 00:30:16,746.9055944 --> 00:30:22,566.9055944 Here is one, the results are mixed with collagen in terms of its effectiveness for whatever you're trying to apply it for. 311 00:30:22,896.9055944 --> 00:30:24,36.9055944 We don't know if it's gonna work. 312 00:30:24,36.9055944 --> 00:30:28,146.9055944 So the only real way to figure out if it's gonna work is if we try it with you, try it for you. 313 00:30:29,16.9055944 --> 00:30:35,676.9055944 You have to balance out the pros and the cons, because the pros of reducing the joint pain is you can do other fantastic things. 314 00:30:35,946.9055944 --> 00:30:40,926.9055944 Um, pros of even healing your skin or your hair or your nails, it makes you feel better. 315 00:30:41,551.9055944 --> 00:30:50,161.9055944 The better you feel, the more able you're gonna go out and be able to do other things like meal prep appropriately to choose healthier foods over not so healthy foods. 316 00:30:50,191.9055944 --> 00:30:54,961.9055944 'cause whenever our moods are low, whenever we're not feeling good about ourselves, we're gonna choose less healthy foods. 317 00:30:55,171.9055944 --> 00:31:01,621.9055944 So that is a fair enough balance compared to the minimal evidence we have that it could potentially encourage cancer growth. 318 00:31:01,921.9055944 --> 00:31:08,581.9055944 And just that we know that we need more research for sure, but we don't wanna undervalue. 319 00:31:08,896.9055944 --> 00:31:15,916.9055944 The, the possibility of our mental health improving or our, our pain and stuff like that, improving with the collagen. 320 00:31:15,976.9055944 --> 00:31:20,926.9055944 So it's a fine balance and I do feel like it needs to be done on a bit of an individualized basis. 321 00:31:21,106.9055944 --> 00:31:22,426.9055944 And that's how you do it. 322 00:31:22,426.9055944 --> 00:31:30,96.9055944 You run through what's, if it's actually working for you and you kind of balance that with the, well, there's a little bit of evidence, but it's probably not that strong. 323 00:31:30,96.9055944 --> 00:31:31,446.9055944 So let's take it if it's working. 324 00:31:32,226.9055944 --> 00:31:33,456.9055944 So that's how I would handle with my mom. 325 00:31:33,456.9055944 --> 00:31:50,346.9055944 So I would encourage my mom to take, take collagen if she actually saw a benefit, despite the knowledge I have around how there are tumor biopsies, cellular molecular studies showing that the tumors with higher amounts of collagen can encourage more growth, whereas those without, with lesser amounts of collagen might not grow as fast. 326 00:31:50,646.9055944 --> 00:32:01,276.9055944 And another kind of piece of that, I can't remember if I mentioned it or not, I've been talking a lot today in different forms, but, the, it might not actually be the collagen that's encouraging the growth necessarily as well. 327 00:32:01,276.9055944 --> 00:32:06,526.9055944 There might be something else in there that's causing the collagen and it's something else that might be encouraging the tumor to grow. 328 00:32:06,526.9055944 --> 00:32:09,226.9055944 So it's not directly necessarily related to the collagen. 329 00:32:09,316.9055944 --> 00:32:09,796.9055944 Alright. 330 00:32:10,816.9055944 --> 00:32:12,826.9055944 So I hope that was helpful. 331 00:32:13,6.9055944 --> 00:32:20,176.9055944 I will just kind of say right quick is that I do have a little bit of a giveaway going on if you're at all interested in getting some meal plans. 332 00:32:20,476.9055944 --> 00:32:25,156.9055944 It's, uh, the idea is to be able to get more reviews 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00:33:59,31.9055944 --> 00:34:00,411.9055944 So I appreciate that. 359 00:34:00,411.9055944 --> 00:34:02,601.9055944 If you need more information on that, I'll put in the show notes too. 360 00:34:03,51.9055944 --> 00:34:04,461.9055944 Thanks for hanging out with me. 361 00:34:04,771.9055944 --> 00:34:06,451.9055944 Here's two Flourishing After Cancer. 362 00:34:06,451.9055944 --> 00:34:06,481.9055944 I.