Breaking Free from Burnout

Breaking Free from Burnout

 

This week on The F.L.O.W. Podcast, I sit down with licensed therapist, Army veteran, and founder of Your Space to Heal, Elizabeth McCoy. Together, we unpack what it means for Black women to finally choose themselves.

 

Elizabeth gets real about the generational expectations many of us carry — from being the family fixer to always showing up as the “strong one.” She challenges the toxic hustle culture that keeps us in survival mode and offers a radical alternative: rest, joy, and wholeness as non-negotiables.

You’ll hear:

• Why so many high-achieving Black women are stuck in burnout cycles
• The impact of unhealed generational trauma on our health and identity
• How to walk away from what no longer serves you — without guilt
• What it looks like to shift from survival to thriving
• The message Elizabeth gives every woman afraid to rest

Whether you’re in therapy, considering it, or simply tired of carrying it all — this episode is your permission slip to slow down, let go, and start living.

 

The choice to break the cycle is yours.

 

Listen now and share with a sister who needs this message.

 

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Episode Transcript

Angela Harris (00:05):
Welcome to the flow podcast, fearlessly leading
our way.
I am your host, Angela V.Harris, I'm an award winning

(00:27):
coach, speaker, author andchampion from black women. Make
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to our conversation,
let's get ready to flow.

(00:54):
Hey, fearless leaders, welcomeback to another episode of the
flow podcast. I'm your host,Angela V Harris in today's
episode, I'm joined by ElizabethMcCoy, a licensed therapist,
Army Veteran and founder of yourspace to heal for a bold,

(01:14):
necessary conversation aboutbreaking free from burnout,
generational expectations andthe myth of the strong black
woman, Elizabeth keeps it allthe way real about the dangers
of hustle culture, the emotionaltoll of living in survival mode
and why black women must stopsettling for struggle and start

(01:37):
choosing joy. We talk about howtrauma shows up in everyday
life, the powers and boundariesand why rest isn't a reward.
What's the requirement if you'veever felt like slowing down
means falling behind? Thisepisode is your permission slip
to stop grinding and starthealing. I can't wait for you.

(02:00):
Welcome to the show. Elizabeth,

Elizabeth McCoy (02:02):
thank you so much for having me. Angela,
well, I'm

Angela Harris (02:05):
looking forward to our discussion. I know it's
April and that's stressAwareness Month.

Elizabeth McCoy (02:11):
Absolutely

Angela Harris (02:13):
Well, I know. Elizabeth, you're a licensed
therapist and Army veteran andthe founder of your space to
heal and the luxury rechargecollective, what led you to
become an advocate for highpowered black women? So

Elizabeth McCoy (02:27):
what led me on the journey was just my own
personal experience. You know,as black women there, we learn
so much about what it means tobe a black woman just through
lived experience. Becauseoftentimes those experiences are
not highlighted elsewhere. Andso, you know, just understanding
when I was going through my ownstressors, I wasn't working in

(02:50):
corporate America, but I was wasworking for local government,
and things had just gottenextremely stressful, you know,
and how do you manage? And whatresources are out there. What
support was out there, and thesupport that was out there, I
wasn't very pleased with it. Soas I transition into mental
health, that is just so happensto be the population that has

(03:13):
trusted me the most. You knowwhen I think about most of my
clientele on the therapy side,there are how power women,
multiple hats, multi hyphenated,you know, rather their employee
or entrepreneur or a partner orparent or whatever, and so, you
know, just really making surethat there was a place for them

(03:37):
to land, a place for them toheal. Yeah, and and

Angela Harris (03:40):
what you said makes sense. I feel like so many
of us that are called to do thistype of work, it's a result of
things that, you know, we'veexperienced personally in this,
seeing a need or a gap, youknow, in the industry, and being
the person to fill that gap,absolutely.

Elizabeth McCoy (03:54):
I mean, there's just so many gaps with with our
care in general, and so, youknow, I'm very glad to see that
we're in a time where we arestepping up and we're filling
those gaps. We're not waiting onother people anymore to say, I
would just wish they would dothat. Or, you know, if only you
know, there's, there's somesisters somewhere, making it

(04:15):
happen. Yeah, yeah. If not you,then who? Exactly, exactly.

Angela Harris (04:22):
So what does rest look like for you right now, and
how has your relationship withrest changed over the years?

Elizabeth McCoy (04:29):
Oh, my relationship with rest is that
we're actually on a first namebasis. Now. It used to be that I
did not want to rest. I used tobe, you know, just like, just
like all of us, you know,there's too much to do in a day,
and there is not enough time,and so rest would be that
sacrifice. And at a time whereit was so foreign to me, is a

(04:51):
time where I experienced themost somatic wake up call. And
so as a therapist. Is what Itell people, is that if you
ignore the mental symptom longenough, it'll show up in your
body. And that's what happenedto me, where I literally was not
functioning. My body could notfunction, and so I had to start

(05:15):
to shift how I viewed rest, andactually started to make rest as
part of my success, rather thanmy enemy. And so that's why I
say that now, rest and I, we areon a first game basis. You know,
I have time in my day where Itake a nap. I if I if I'm not
sleepy, then I'll just lay onthe couch and just kind of rest.

(05:38):
I'm comfortable stepping awayfrom my cell phone, just any of
the things that incorporate restfor me. You know, it's not just
a nice video on IG or a niceinspiration on Tiktok. I mean, I
really make it a livedexperience, and I

Angela Harris (05:59):
love what you said that you make time to find
a nap you know about to be Ilove to hear more about that,
but also that you, you know,take time to put your cell phone
down, like you said, oftentimeswe think we are resting when
we're like you said, vegging outon, you know, Tiktok, Instagram,
the the inspirational post, butI recall seeing, I think it was
like a TED talk, I believe,about the seven types of rest.

(06:20):
And yes, we're not, if we are onour devices, that's not rest.

Elizabeth McCoy (06:25):
We're probably, we're probably not getting deep
enough in it. Now, it is a typeof rest to just, you know, kind
of let your mind float away, andthat's what people use a lot of
social media for us to justdistract us from reality. But
knowing what type of rest youneed is going to be very
important, because, again, thereare seven different types. So

(06:48):
it's not it's not just sleep.And I'm glad that you brought
that up, because people thinkthat it's the rest, is just
taking a nap, that is just goingto sleep, but it is literally a
restful state of your body, youknow, is really being able to
get into those depths, intothose nooks and crannies, you
know, like when we were clean ona Saturday morning, getting

(07:09):
down, getting in the elbow, wegot to get in there, and that's
where the true rest is found. Sothat sometimes it might be
scrolling for a few minutes onyour phone, we want to break
away from that, but we just haveto get, you know, I guess
comfortable we got to getfamiliar with this actually

(07:32):
deep, restorative rest. And

Angela Harris (07:37):
I feel like culturally, some of us have been
socialized thinking we thinkabout our elders, they always
say, Oh, you can, you can sleepwhen you're dead. So What can
Black women do if they're stillstuck in that hustle and grind
mindset that's been passed downgeneration over generation?

Elizabeth McCoy (07:52):
You know, we are very intelligent women now.
And not to say that we weren'tback then, because, you know,
our loved ones were definitelysome smart women for, you know,
the times they were in, but wealso are aware of what the lack
of rest got them. And that'sactually a social media post I
was working on today about, youknow, don't repeat the mistakes

(08:15):
of our past. We saw, we saw ourgrandmothers, our mothers, our
aunties, you know, our primarycaregivers need rest, but never
take it. And as a result, theyretired. They weren't enjoying
life. They didn't enjoy theircareer. Sometimes we even felt
like they didn't enjoy theirfamily. Yeah, you know, but when

(08:37):
it comes down to well, what didfill in the blank really need.
And there was some form of rest,some form of rest that was not
weaponized against her love thatsaid, Oh, well, she must doesn't
love me if this is what sheneeds to do, but to just
understand that she's a personand she had needs. And so we

(08:58):
learn from those things now, andwe ensure that you know, that we
get those for ourselves, youknow, one to take care of us in
the present, but also to letthem know that we saw that we
see them. We saw what theysacrificed, you know, and what
those sacrifices meant, yeah,

Angela Harris (09:18):
and I love what you said about don't repeat the
mistakes of our past. And it'syou highlighted how that they
were tired, they didn't enjoylife. And I feel like when you
say that, it's like we currentlyhave the opportunity to change
the narrative and shift thenarrative for future
generations.

Elizabeth McCoy (09:36):
Absolutely, you know, and just understanding
what it means like, what do youget from rest, you know, as a
high performance therapist,future psychologist, two mom
more, one thing I study is howrest actually impacts our
outcomes. So, how can I be moresuccessful? You know, and I tell

(09:57):
people to think about the CEOs.Break. Down. Yes, we think that
they work a lot of hours, andlikely they do, but they also
have a team that's going to helpthem. And so when we talk about
maximizing your time, beingefficient, tending to your
needs, we have to be the CEOs ofour lives and making sure that

(10:19):
we have those structures inplace that are going to support
our success, rather than justkind of crash and burn. And let
me add that as well, because,you know, it just kind of dawned
on me that that's why we're soafraid of rest, is that every
time rest has come in thepicture, it's been like a crash.

(10:42):
You just hit a brick wall. Butthat's not rest. That's not the
rest that we're talking about.You know, we're talking about
being very intentional withtoday. This is all that I need.
This is all that I'm going todo. This is good enough. I don't
have to save the whole world. Idon't have to cook a five course
meal. I can cook this pot ofspaghetti and y'all want to be

(11:04):
happy, and this is going to besufficient, you know, right it,
we are really redefining ourrelationship.

Angela Harris (11:13):
And to your point about we can cook the pot of pot
of spaghetti and be be satisfiedlike we don't really have to
cook it all. We can do meal prepservices or hire somebody to do
it for us, which will give usthe extra time to rest.

Elizabeth McCoy (11:27):
Absolutely, absolutely. One of the things I
do in my rest is rest is wealthworkshop and then upcoming
conference is that we'll dowhat's called a rest plan, and
we'll identify where are some ofthese energy drainers, like,
Where? Where are we just kind ofbeing drained? And we can

(11:49):
actually pull in additionalresources. Now, we always tell
people when we're going intothese rest plants is Be mindful
that this is going to challengesome of our culturally what do
we call them? Just like ourcultural expectations, where,
again, we tire ourselves out andwe never sit down. This rest

(12:12):
plan is going to challenge that.And so sometimes it can be very
difficult to complete it. Youknow, as simple as it may be,
it's challenging, because,again, I have to say sometimes
that grandma wasn't right aboutthis. Mama didn't exactly have
this right. You know, I wishthat she knew this now, and that

(12:35):
can be a lot for us.

Angela Harris (12:38):
And those are the uncomfortable conversations the
taboo topics within ourcommunity,

Elizabeth McCoy (12:43):
absolutely, but we have to have them. We need
them.

Angela Harris (12:47):
Yes, we do. We do, like you said, it's really,
it's really on us to shift thenarrative, and like you said, we
have to be intentional aboutprioritizing rest. Or the end
result is that that crash andburn or worse. Mm, hmm,

Elizabeth McCoy (13:01):
absolutely. Because, listen, hospital stays
are insane

Angela Harris (13:05):
stress. I mean, yes, even more than that, like
chronic, you know, illnesses andconditions, yeah,

Elizabeth McCoy (13:11):
and that's exactly where I was going with
it, because all of it comes as aresult of stress, yeah, you
know, I

Angela Harris (13:23):
and I know that symptoms look different for
black women, as you know,specifically, high achievers.
I'm just thinking about myself.Back in 2022 I was diagnosed
with work related depression,anxiety and PTSD, and it came as
a complete shock to me, becauseI knew it was taking a little
bit longer, you know, to get outof bed in the morning, but I was
still getting out of bed. I wasshowering. Bed, I was showering,
I was putting on clothes. So itdidn't even dawn on me that that

(13:46):
was, you know, a sign ofdepression. Thankfully, I was I
did have a therapist at thetime, so she noticed that, you
know, the coping strategies thatshe was sharing with me weren't
working. But I say all that tosay I feel like I was doing
everything, you know, I had,like I thought, I had a self
care plan, you know. I hadfacials, massages, you know,
time with friends, and things ofthat nature. But it still wasn't

(14:09):
good enough, you know, to saveme from

Elizabeth McCoy (14:13):
the mental health issues, you know, you
know. And that's, that's what Icall social media self care, you
know, people go on Tiktok andsay, Well, I seen this on
Tiktok, and this is what theysaid that I needed to do. And so
that's what I've been doing, butit's not working. And if that's
not working, then I must notneed a therapist or something
else. You know, I'm beyond whata therapist can do. And you

(14:34):
know, you hit on something veryimportant is that everybody's
treatment plan looks different,and our self care, not just the
social media stuff, is going todiffer based on where we are.
And always remind my clientsthat to whom much is given, much
is required, but what's going tobe required is proper rest and
self care. And so the bubblebaths, the massages, you know,

(14:58):
those things are great. And.Really feel good, but when it
comes down to actuallyphysically taking care of
yourself, do we need to adjustour diets? Do we need to adjust
our workouts? Do we need to, ofcourse, adjust our rest
patterns? You know, takeadditional time off, take the
vacation days and actuallyvacation, get your PTO. Rather

(15:23):
you are an employee orentrepreneur, you have to have
your PTO days. You have to putthose days in, take those days
so that you can actually restoreyourself, because the bubble
baths are not going to do it bythemselves. Yeah, sometimes we
gotta journal things out.Sometimes we just have to put

(15:43):
different things in our bodiesso that we can get a different
output. Sometimes we actuallyjust need to take the weekend
and just sleep, but taking offthose capes and really saying,
This is what I need to restoremyself.

Angela Harris (16:03):
So how can black women begin to recognize the
early signs before it becomes acrisis?

Elizabeth McCoy (16:09):
Well, you know, it's kind of like what you and
your therapist did, noticingwhen things are not the same.
I'm taking longer to get dressedlike I'm okay when I get there,
I really don't want to getthere. I'm missing deadlines.
You know, I feel like I careabout my job, but my work
doesn't reflect that. Myattitude towards it doesn't

(16:32):
reflect it. Or I just feel moreirritable. You know, it doesn't
matter what somebody asked me,big, small, indifferent. I don't
want to be bothered. You know,those are some very telltale
signs that overall, I'm just notdoing well, you know, and more
than anything, where we start todisconnect from our own joy. So

(16:55):
whatever it is that we like todo, it becomes a chore. I used
to like to go and get my nailsdone. Now I'm thinking about
going to the nail shop. Isoverwhelming. We probably want
to start getting this checkedout, you know, coupled with
work, coupled with how I'mhandling family and friends,
social time, how I'm handlingmeal time, it all tells a story.

(17:18):
So just noticing those changes,okay? Well,

Angela Harris (17:23):
for the black woman listening who feel like
they're running on fumes or likeyou said, don't feel like they
have the time, what's one smallshift that they can make to
choose rest over hustle?

Elizabeth McCoy (17:34):
Schedule it. You have every other meeting on
your calendar, but we neverschedule ourselves on there.
Schedule the time for you,whether it is time to take a
walk, whether it is time to takea nap, whether it's just time to
close your eyes or not answerquestions from people, schedule
the time every single day. Howcan we

Angela Harris (18:00):
get them to hold themselves accountable, even
feel like they're worthy ofdoing that? Because they might
be wise mothers, you know,children things of that nature,
so they may feel like they haveto put their needs to the side
for their family or otherpeople. Yeah, and

Elizabeth McCoy (18:14):
it's a very good question. It's one is asked
all the time, but you can onlyprovide the level of care to
others that you provide toyourself. So in order to be your
best version, we're going tohave to do these things for us.
We will have to slow down andsay, well, baby, I just I can't
do that right now. In 30minutes, I can. And if they come

(18:36):
back before the 30 minutes, hasit been 30 minutes? Boundaries
are a thing. And believe it ornot, my women with children,
children understand boundaries.How many times have we been told
no by a kid? No, I don't want togo over there. No, I don't want
to go to sleep. No, I don't wantto eat my vegetables. Those are

(18:57):
all forms of boundaries. Theyunderstand what we're able to
teach them. And, you know, andbeing patient, which can be hard
if we're, you know, we'realready kind of tipping over,
but being patient and remindingthem, you know, that this is
where the boundary is, settingtimers for the younger ones, or

(19:21):
for the, you know, the olderones who are just distracted, or
our spouses, you know, when thistimer goes off, then I'll be
ready to talk. If the timerhasn't gone off, I need to I
need my time. We have to getbetter at showing people that we
are human. Yeah, you know, whenI've worked with women on mother

(19:43):
daughter wounds or mothercaregiver wounds, a lot of it
came back to, I never eventhought about her being a
person. Mm, wow. Like you'rejust meet my knees. You You
brought me here and now you areforever indebted to. Me
typically goes on both sides,but it's a tough spot to be in.

(20:07):
And so now we can take a break.I need to rest my head. I need
not have any questions for 30minutes. I need to just go and
sit in the shower, tub, orwhatever the preference. I just
need quiet. But the thing aboutboundaries is that when they
were enforced, when we wereyounger, they it was from a

(20:30):
place of irritability. Yeah, andwherever we're starting to feel
irritable, we feel like we don'thave a whole lot of control. So
now we're saying, No, this is mytime, and I am not to be
interrupted. And it takes sometime to do the mom guilt will go
away. The challenges to youridentity, well, if I'm a fill in

(20:56):
the blank on what cap, then thatmeans I have to neglect myself
this way, we'll start tochallenge those thoughts over
time, because that's exactlywhat it's saying. Is that if I
want to uphold this role, thisis how I must neglect me. And
when I have clients say and dothat exercise, things kind of

(21:18):
shift a little bit. You start toshift.

Angela Harris (21:25):
I love the point she made about challenging those
thoughts about the societal, youknow, expectations of what the
role should look like.

Elizabeth McCoy (21:32):
Yeah, we have to, you know, because otherwise,
society and and others around uswill dictate our quality of
life. But one thing I've beencertain of is that what other
people are dictating our lives,the quality is not matched.
Well, it's just not

Angela Harris (21:54):
so key takeaway like you say, have your
boundaries and essentially teachpeople how to treat you by
enforcing those boundaries.

Elizabeth McCoy (22:02):
Absolutely and enforcing them, not from a place
of irritability or anger, butfrom a place of peace and calm
that I have control over who canaccess me and when

Angela Harris (22:20):
I'm curious, Elizabeth, based on the work
that you've done with yourclients, and having them shift
their mindsets regarding rest,what's been, I guess, like the
biggest aha moment for one ofyour clients

Elizabeth McCoy (22:34):
that they can that it is Literally possible.
It is literally possible. I'vehad so many women tell me, Oh,
well, I can't set boundarieswith my children. I can't set
boundaries with my spouse. Myemployer won't understand that I
need more days off. But this iswhy we don't need a permission

(22:54):
slip. No need. I can take careof me, however it is that I need
to take care of me, and if thisenvironment is not allowing me
to do so, then I gotta shiftsome things up. Now I'm not
saying leave the kids at home.Don't, don't, don't, don't, take

(23:15):
the words away and say whatElizabeth said, because that's
why I always tell my clients tojust tell their people.
Elizabeth said, My therapistsaid, but no, you know, we're
not talking about, you know,abandoning anybody or anything
that far fetched. We areliterally just saying that I
have needs. Some of the needsI'm going to need you to meet

(23:37):
helping me with the house. Youknow, respecting the boundary
that I set down other needs isgoing to be on me to me same,
telling you that I need thistime, and that this is what I
need this time to look like, sothat I can be the best version
of me. Because I don't know onewoman, especially one any black

(23:57):
woman who's wanted to be upset,irritable, angry, you know, not
able to enjoy life, right? Butwe just didn't know that there
were other things that we coulddo that we didn't have to live
up to these imaginary, imaginarygoal posts that didn't really

(24:21):
exist. You know, it was aforever, moving goal. And so,
you know, we can define this iswhere, this is where I'm going.
No, I can, I will, and I do.Doesn't

Angela Harris (24:38):
get any better than that. I can, I will, and I
do,

Elizabeth McCoy (24:42):
and then we just pick up our bag and go on,
grab, grab your pocketbook.That's it.

Angela Harris (24:56):
Well, Elizabeth, I want to switch things up a bit
and move into a quick lightninground. Um, so I'm going to ask
you some rapid fire questions,and the first thing that comes
to your mind is, is what it is?

Elizabeth McCoy (25:06):
Oh, we and you know, my mind is not working.
It's great today. But okay,let's see,

Angela Harris (25:13):
right. Here we go. Okay, rest is

Elizabeth McCoy (25:19):
restorative.

Angela Harris (25:21):
My body lets me know what I need to rest. When

Elizabeth McCoy (25:26):
she's tired, she doesn't want to carry
anything else.

Angela Harris (25:32):
One myth about rest I'm done entertaining is

Elizabeth McCoy (25:38):
that I need any form of permission or that I
need to explain it.

Angela Harris (25:43):
I love that. Yeah, a boundary I no longer
negotiate is,

Elizabeth McCoy (25:50):
ooh, anything that's dealing with me. I'm not
up for negotiation on any levelwith anybody.

Angela Harris (26:00):
I love that. When do you feel most alive,

Elizabeth McCoy (26:09):
when I am happy to come to work on Mondays? You
know, a lot of panic attackshappen on Sundays, and I was one
of those people where I wouldpanic about Monday, and now
actually looking forward to andbeing able to say about noon on
Sunday, like I'm ready for worktomorrow. I'm excited.

Angela Harris (26:32):
Yeah, I can relate to that. And

Elizabeth McCoy (26:34):
let me throw in, actually making it to all of
my workouts that week. Okay, soagain, because when things
change, we need to pay attentionto the change. And I was one of
the My biggest red flags was ifI wasn't keeping up with my
workouts or I wasn't excitedabout work.

Angela Harris (26:53):
So now I'm curious, what's in your workout
routine.

Elizabeth McCoy (26:57):
My workout routine right now I'm at 30
minutes, 3030 to 40 minute daysof five to six times a week,
they consist of any combinationof weight lifting. I have to get
better with the cardio per thedoctor, but I'm a weight lifting
girly. I like my weights cardio.We're just not the best. We're

(27:19):
working on it. And then I amalso trying to incorporate
something called Animal Flow atleast once a week, because, you
know, I sit a lot during the daythat 40 is looking at me in the
mirror very closely. And youknow, your your joints and your
body really do they, they dodifferent things. And so the

(27:41):
Animal Flow, I feel like ithelps keep me limber. It helps
keep me flexible. You know, someof the aches and pains that I
feel, you know, it all just kindof starts working out. So I
don't need to be superwoman,like I was mounted in the
military or while I tried to bemountain military. And so, yeah,
just listening to my body andpaying attention to what it

(28:03):
needs and giving it that.

Angela Harris (28:07):
Did you say Animal Flow? I'm not familiar
with that

Elizabeth McCoy (28:10):
so, so Animal Flow is, if you think about when
you go to the zoom and you watchhow different animals move,
that's Animal Flow. So the deepseated positions that we might
see some variations of monkeysin is a very real thing. We need
to be able to get down there thecrab walks. Okay, able to crab.

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Go from a crab to a scorpion isalways important. And just
really moving your body throughtight, kind of small spaces. You
know, your body's plane is theplane that you'll move in the
through these differentpositions, through these
different animal flows. So it'sliterally just moving around

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like an animal, you know, bearcrawls, scorpions. Got it Okay,
all of it okay, and it's greatto do with the kids too.

Angela Harris (29:14):
Well. Elizabeth, before we wrap up, I have one
question I like to ask all myguests, and it's very fitting
for you. So what do you like todo when you are fearlessly
leading?

Elizabeth McCoy (29:25):
Ah, I like to, of course, work out, as I am in
the the building phase of thisof luxury, recharge, collective
and everything that stands for.I'm actually missing cooking.
I'm a southern girl. I reallylike to cook. I cook from
scratch, all of those things,and I'm really missing I just

(29:49):
told my friends and my motheryesterday that I'm really
missing cooking. I was excited,you know, when I was coming into
this journey and told them,like, Hey, this is. Where I'm
going. This is the type ofsupport that I need. You know,
are y'all? Are y'all game forbecause this is what I'm gonna
need. And they were like, Yeah.And I was like, Oh, yes, I won't
have to worry about cooking. Andthen look at me missing it.

(30:12):
Okay. I need to get out of thisspace so I can get back to it,
and then just spending spendingtime with other people's kids,
because I don't have my own. Sospending time with the trillion
nieces and nephews that I'veadopted along the way and and my
dogs, you know, just keep thingskind of low key.

Angela Harris (30:37):
Okay, so I since you mentioned cooking, I have to
ask, what's the one dish youcan't wait to make?

Elizabeth McCoy (30:44):
Um, everybody lights my pepper jack mac and
cheese. Okay, yeah, my pepperjack mac and cheese and my
neighbors are my life. Are mylifeline. And so the husband
likes my pork chops, my friedpork chops, and the wife likes

(31:04):
my candy yams. So that'llprobably be up on the meal, on
on the menu. That soundsdelicious. I gotta, I gotta be
able to say thank you to thepeople that hold me down so

Angela Harris (31:21):
well. Elizabeth, thank you so much for sharing
your insights with us today. Howcan our listeners stay connected
with you and join your space toheal, or the luxury recharge
collective?

Elizabeth McCoy (31:30):
Yeah, so please follow me on Instagram or
Facebook at your space to heal.You can also connect with me
through those platforms andengage in any of my activities.
You know, every month I am doinga series on rest as well, so

(31:52):
that we start to see how rest isactually part of our success
plan, and it doesn't become soforeign and we get rid of this
burnout culture, you know, thiswhole culture where we literally
have to beat ourselves down inorder to have a few dollars. And
then the summer, I am hosting myfirst retreat that is being

(32:13):
named is rest as wealth as well,but it's black, rested and
rising to celebrate all thepowerful things that we do as
black women, and really bringingtogether some other powerhouses
that I know personally for aweekend of not only information

(32:34):
about how do you get this restand the significance of it, but
also actual time to rest, so afull white glove experience. You
know, I've been telling my teamThe only thing I want my people
to do is to show up with theirtoothbrush and whatever change
of clothes that they need. Thatis it. If they have to do more

(32:55):
than that, then we have somemore planning to do. So I'm
really looking forward totalking more about rest as well
throughout the months, but thencreating such a luxurious space
for black women, you know, theones who don't have anybody
else, we're already at the topof the chain. Yeah, you know the

(33:16):
CEOs, the the executives, theentrepreneurs who are just feel
so isolated, like this space isfor us to be vulnerable, to be
real, to be true and to leaverested.

Angela Harris (33:33):
That sounds amazing. And I love the name
black, resting and rising Yes,

Elizabeth McCoy (33:38):
because that's what we are. You know, we always
stay we're gonna stay black. Andnow, now we've added in the
resting piece, and, you know,we're going to incorporate this
as part of our strategy, youknow, in order to keep rising
and keep being successful. So Iabsolutely cannot, but I'm so
excited, nervous too. But soexcited to actually host this

(34:03):
and really just, you know, havea space where I get to tell
black women, thank you. I seeyou, and we're here, and we can
take the Capes off and we'regoing to have us a good old
time,

Angela Harris (34:13):
good that's so needed. I'm wishing you much
success with that. Thank you.Well, thank you again, Elizabeth
for being here today.

Elizabeth McCoy (34:23):
Thank you so much for having me. It was
great.

Angela Harris (34:27):
All right. Well, to our listeners, if you found
today's episode valuable, pleasestay connected with Elizabeth
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listening to the flow podcast.As we wrap up today's episode,
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